Star Wars III: Revenge of the Sith

[gbs3769]

He did bring balance to the force by eliminating most of the Jedi. Before most of the Jedi are killed the force pendulum is swung completely to the light side of the force.

When all is said and done, there are two Sith left and two Jedi left. Yoda and the Emperor have powers that rival one another and Obi-Wan and Darth Vader have powers that rival one another and in that there is balance.

- Matt

[bdfresh62]

I always thought bringing balance to the force was getting rid of the sith aka the dark side of the force. But I do see what you are saying though.

[gbs3769]

I think that is where the Jedi misinterpreted the prophecy. They assumed that the prophecy meant that the Sith would be destroyed but in the end there were two Jedi and two Sith remaining.

- Matt

[americanbaby_13]

THank GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! A REPUBLICAN DMB fan! And I thought I was all alone....

[gbs3769]

There are a few of us. Check out any of the political threads to see who else there is...

- Matt

[JimiThang1]

I think that is where the Jedi misinterpreted the prophecy. They assumed that the prophecy meant that the Sith would be destroyed but in the end there were two Jedi and two Sith remaining.

- Matt
So you're saying that at the end of Episode III the prophecy is complete and basically Luke just fucks up the whole thing? Where does he fall into this?

[gbs3769]

Yes.

- Matt

[gbs3769]

He is never a Jedi until he has been trained by Yoda. At that point, Obi-Wan is dead and there are once again two Sith and two Jedi.

- Matt

[JimiThang1]

So you're saying then at the end of Jedi then the pendulum has swung back to the way it was in the beginning of episode 1 to where the Jedi control the light side of the force since Anakin redeems himself and the emperor is killed thus the series goes full circle?

[gbs3769]

Essentially. Although I would say that being that Luke is not a power Jedi that it is very slightly tipped towards the light side of the force.

- Matt

[JimiThang1]

True since we won't truly ever know the extent of Luke's power. Though it could be safe to say that by the end of Jedi he is on a level of a young Obi-Wan.

[dm40band]

what is the timeline in Star Wars years for each episode?

[JimiThang1]

10 years between Episode 1 and 2
2 years between Episode 2 and 3
20 years between Episode 3 and 4
3 years between Episode 4 and 5
1 year between Episode 5 and 6

[werkinsnake]

And no, Anakin is the chosen one. He does bring balance to the force, albeit at the end of ROTJ when he kills Palpatine.

Though if you think about it, he could have done it by the end of ROTS. At the end of the movie you had 2 Sith and 2 Jedi. Ta da BALANCE!!! Maybe the Jedi misunderstood the prophecy?

Oh and yes, Lucas's official explaination is what you have stated.

*and after reading this page of the thread, JBS already stated what I've said.

[Gary]

Obi-Wan wasn't called Obi-Wan after Luke was born as he went into exile on Tatooine.

I think they were off on the prophecy in that he may not have been the one.

[Gary]

I'm going to see it at this theater next week, the way it was meant to be seen:

http://www.greenvillecamelot.com/

All-digital DLP and sound. 650-seat thx theater with recliner seating.

Can't wait.

[werkinsnake]

True since we won't truly ever know the extent of Luke's power. Though it could be safe to say that by the end of Jedi he is on a level of a young Obi-Wan.

If Lucas does do 7-9, he will show just how powerful Luke is. Lucas has said that Luke is the most powerful of all Jedi/Sith. So we'll see a 50 year old Mark Hamil kickin some serious @$$.

[JimiThang1]

If Lucas does do 7-9, he will show just how powerful Luke is. Lucas has said that Luke is the most powerful of all Jedi/Sith. So we'll see a 50 year old Mark Hamil kickin some serious @$$.
Too bad it's never going to happen...

[werkinsnake]

Lucas also said that if ROTS does well at the box office he will be obligated to do 7-9. The early reports of Sith being "The Last Star Wars film" was just a marketing technique to get people to go see it. Looks like he's been pulling a Jedi mind trick on all of us.:eek

[JimiThang1]

I dunno...I don't see it happening...He has said countless times he isn't ever making a star wars movie again. Plus I really don't want to see a 50 year old Luke and 65 year old han solo (I really don't want to see a 65 year old Indiana Jones but it's probably going to happen).

[bdfresh62]

There are a few of us. Check out any of the political threads to see who else there is...

- Matt

I'm here too. Back to Star Wars though...

Though if you think about it, he could have done it by the end of ROTS. At the end of the movie you had 2 Sith and 2 Jedi. Ta da BALANCE!!! Maybe the Jedi misunderstood the prophecy?

Oh and yes, Lucas's official explaination is what you have stated.

I tend to lean towards Lucas' explanation, you know since he created it. Anyways if you go over to the imdb boards, there is alot of information over there. I really picked up alot.

[werkinsnake]

He was saying that he wouldn't do another trilogy after the release of AOTC, which turned out to be a "RELATIVE" box office flop. However, since ROTS made 16.5 million on the Thursday Midnight shows alone, I think that George sees that Star Wars is still in demand...providing that he can make the films exciting for the average movie goer. This is something that was lacking with 1 and 2.

[bdfresh62]

He was saying that he wouldn't do another trilogy after the release of AOTC, which turned out to be a "RELATIVE" box office flop. However, since ROTS made 16.5 million on the Thursday Midnight shows alone, I think that George sees that Star Wars is still in demand...providing that he can make the films exciting for the average movie goer. This is something that was lacking with 1 and 2.

I think if they were to do another trilogy, there would be a ton of people involved besides George Lucas.

[werkinsnake]

Hopefully someone else will be writing the dialogue.

[bdfresh62]

I've always heard Kevin Smith might be involved with some aspect of it. He's a huge Star Wars fan. I think Lucas even said he wants him involved in it.

[gbs3769]

They should just convert the Thrawn trilogy to episodes 7-9.

- Matt

[bdfresh62]

This is off topic, but it relates to George Lucas. Anyone else ever notice his flanel fetish? I swear everytime I see a photo of him he is wearing flanel.

[bdfresh62]

They should just convert the Thrawn trilogy to episodes 7-9.

- Matt

What is that?

[werkinsnake]

Now that you mention it...I do. George loves flannel I guess.

[gbs3769]

What is that?

Three books written by Timothy Zahn called Heir to the Empire, Dark Force Rising, and The Last Command.

They are amazing books and aren't ridiculous as most of the Star Wars books are.

- Matt

[bdfresh62]

Three books written by Timothy Zahn called Heir to the Empire, Dark Force Rising, and The Last Command.

They are amazing books and aren't ridiculous as most of the Star Wars books are.

- Matt


Ahhh. I've never gotten into the whole book side of Star Wars, I've pretty much just stuck to the movies. What is the plot for those books?

[gbs3769]

They take place five years after ROTJ. Leia and Han are married and expecting twins, Luke is training and everything seems great except that one of the Emperor's best Admirals is gathering the remnants of the Imperial Fleet to do battle with the republic.

Basically, I love Grand Admiral Thrawn, I'd place him as my favorite character from any of the books and movies and probably have Grand Moff Tarkin in second. What can I say, I like the Empire...

- Matt

[bdfresh62]

They take place five years after ROTJ. Leia and Han are married and expecting twins, Luke is training and everything seems great except that one of the Emperor's best Admirals is gathering the remnants of the Imperial Fleet to do battle with the republic.

Basically, I love Grand Admiral Thrawn, I'd place him as my favorite character from any of the books and movies and probably have Grand Moff Tarkin in second. What can I say, I like the Empire...

- Matt

So Luke is training Jedi's? That seems like it could be cool if it were done right.

[gbs3769]

He is training Leia.

But I need to sleep so I can kick this Bronchitis.

- Matt

[werkinsnake]

I always wondered what it would look like if Yoda had a lightsaber battle with Gollum. Speaking of which, did it seem as if they were trying to turn Sidious into Gollum right after his transformation? I was really waiting for him to call Anakin "My Precious"

[bdfresh62]

I always wondered what it would look like if Yoda had a lightsaber battle with Gollum. Speaking of which, did it seem as if they were trying to turn Sidious into Gollum right after his transformation? I was really waiting for him to call Anakin "My Precious"

:lol

On that note, goodnight.

[Isilinde]

I always wondered what it would look like if Yoda had a lightsaber battle with Gollum. Speaking of which, did it seem as if they were trying to turn Sidious into Gollum right after his transformation? I was really waiting for him to call Anakin "My Precious"

:lol:lol:lol

+1

[elf]

I think I'm seeing this today :bounce

[OCMarsh]

I've wanted to buy the 7-9 books, but I can't bring myself to walk into a book store and buy them. Book store chicks always seem hot to me and buying a Star Wars book is beyond even my nerdiness. I should use amazon I guess.

[flyer3468]

I've wanted to buy the 7-9 books, but I can't bring myself to walk into a book store and buy them. Book store chicks always seem hot to me and buying a Star Wars book is beyond even my nerdiness. I should use amazon I guess.

Just go in every once in a while and wait until the old coke bottle glasses type ladies are working. They're worth it.

[gbs3769]

Amazon would work. Or just find a different bookstore.

- Matt

[Dancing Ants]

I've wanted to buy the 7-9 books, but I can't bring myself to walk into a book store and buy them. Book store chicks always seem hot to me and buying a Star Wars book is beyond even my nerdiness. I should use amazon I guess.

there isn't a 7-9 books anyway. there's like 100 books...from a day after Return of the Jedi to 25 years after.

[flyer3468]

there isn't a 7-9 books anyway. there's like 100 books...from a day after Return of the Jedi to 25 years after.

He was talking about the Thrawn Trilogy which is regarded to many as being 7-9, since they were the first official books.

[Dancing Ants]

He was talking about the Thrawn Trilogy which is regarded to many as being 7-9, since they were the first official books.

ah...they really aren't though. semantics i guess.

[JimiThang1]

Estimates are in for the 3 day weekend with Sith earning 108.5 million and including Thursday's gross the film has made 158.5 million in just 4 days.

[gbs3769]

ah...they really aren't though. semantics i guess.

They are close enough...

- Matt

[flyer3468]

I would say they are because they were the first books that Lucas gave the greenlight to.

[Dancing Ants]

yeah but they're nothing like what lucas had planned in that fat noggin of his.

[drumdude05]

If they made a 7 8 and 9 (which I highly doubt they will, as much as I would like to see them) they will have to take place way past Return of the Jedi. Everyone has just gotten to old. They would have to set it in the future and talk about how Luke has set up a Jedi Academy or something along those lines.



And to everyone who has been debating about balance being brought to the force, I was thinking, have you thought that maybe Anakin was the chosen one to bring balance to the force because he fathered Luke? Who supposidly goes on to become the strongest of the Jedi's. I don't know that was just what I've always thought about it.

[Dancing Ants]

If they made a 7 8 and 9 (which I highly doubt they will, as much as I would like to see them) they will have to take place way past Return of the Jedi. Everyone has just gotten to old. They would have to set it in the future and talk about how Luke has set up a Jedi Academy or something along those lines.



And to everyone who has been debating about balance being brought to the force, I was thinking, have you thought that maybe Anakin was the chosen one to bring balance to the force because he fathered Luke? Who supposidly goes on to become the strongest of the Jedi's. I don't know that was just what I've always thought about it.

Vader brought balance to the force. by A New Hope, there are 2 jedi and 2 sith in the galaxy. balance.

[Rob]

Are there any book synopses hanging around for the events taking place after ROTJ?

[Dancing Ants]

theforce.net may have something...i dunno.

[bdfresh62]

Estimates are in for the 3 day weekend with Sith earning 108.5 million and including Thursday's gross the film has made 158.5 million in just 4 days.

Daaaaaaaaammmmmmmmmmmmnnnnnnnnn!!!!!!

[JimiThang1]

Daaaaaaaaammmmmmmmmmmmnnnnnnnnn!!!!!!
Unfortunately it didn't beat Spiderman's 3 day weekend record of 114 million. Though it did beat the 3 days if you count Thurs.-Sat. For those 3 days it made 123mil.

[JimiThang1]

Just got back from seeing it...amazing. Everything was just tied up so nicely and it all felt complete. And I must admit I got a little misty eyed there at the end with Luke's theme playing.

[drumdude05]

Vader brought balance to the force. by A New Hope, there are 2 jedi and 2 sith in the galaxy. balance.

I'm just trying to say that I think there are other ways to view it. I think you can also say that since Anakin fathered Luke, that he brought balance to the force in that respect. Because.....



....only Sith see in absolutes.

[JaZzBounty]

OMG, Darth Vaders son is LUKE who saw THAT coming :eek :eek :eek

[cbsauder]

I've wanted to buy the 7-9 books, but I can't bring myself to walk into a book store and buy them. Book store chicks always seem hot to me and buying a Star Wars book is beyond even my nerdiness. I should use amazon I guess.
i've actually read quite a few of the star wars novels, and i dont mind admitting it. :lol I did read them in no particular order, and some of them are quite good.

[proudest_monkee]

Does the term "Sith" come up in any of the first trilogy movies? I can't remember. I do know in ANH that Tarkin keeps refering to Vader as a Jedi and not a Sith Lord.

[flyer3468]

Darth Vader is refered to as the Lord of the Sith and Sith Knight, in the scripts of the orignial trilogy, but in the movies, they never actually say 'Sith'.

[proudest_monkee]

Darth Vader is refered to as the Lord of the Sith and Sith Knight, in the scripts of the orignial trilogy, but in the movies, they never actually say 'Sith'.


I didn't think so, and thanks for confirming it for me.

[bdfresh62]

Doesn't Obi-Wan and Yoda refer to Palpatine as the Sith Lord in ESB or ROTJ?

[cbsauder]

They take place five years after ROTJ. Leia and Han are married and expecting twins, Luke is training and everything seems great except that one of the Emperor's best Admirals is gathering the remnants of the Imperial Fleet to do battle with the republic.

Basically, I love Grand Admiral Thrawn, I'd place him as my favorite character from any of the books and movies and probably have Grand Moff Tarkin in second. What can I say, I like the Empire...

- Matt
yea and he hides a fleet of star destroyers near a black hole or something, right? that was a good book, i might read it again this summer. :lol

[cbsauder]

oh and the earlier disscussion, i think it might be interesting to see the story of the jedi rebuilding after ROTJ, but i dont think it would make for the most 'action packed' movie, as there isnt very much (or any at all) lightsaber duels and fighting.

[proudest_monkee]

http://thunder.prohosting.com/~spiff/history.html


Interesting little read here. I have never read any of the books, and I am not sure if this is even close to the content of the post ROTJ books. It does refer to Luke joining the Dark Side some 6 years later.

[coyn113]

just got back from seeing this movie, i am not a star wars fan what so ever so i thought this movie was kind of boring, the first hour sucked big time but it was cool to see all the stuff come together in the end, and it was pretty cool to see annikan get his big oakland raiders helmet at the end


i guess i just dont understand what the big deal with these movie are .. oh well

[barefoot]

just got back, liked the movie however....didnt need the leap back in technology at the end. The suit looked terrible and the consoles on the space ship at the end were pathetic. I dont think they should have tried forcing the transition in this movie. Let them stand on their own look and feel.

[gbs3769]

i guess i just dont understand what the big deal with these movie are .. oh well

Blasphemy.

- Matt

[bdfresh62]

Blasphemy.

- Matt

Right on.

[flyer3468]

http://thunder.prohosting.com/~spiff/history.html


Interesting little read here. I have never read any of the books, and I am not sure if this is even close to the content of the post ROTJ books. It does refer to Luke joining the Dark Side some 6 years later.

As far as I know, he only joined the dark side to exploit it and to fool Palpatine. He pretended to side with him to find a weakness to the dark side. This is of course in one of the many times Palpatine is resurrected in clone form.

[JimiThang1]

Heh they clone palpatine in the novels?

[flyer3468]

Heh they clone palpatine in the novels?

Multiple times.

[greppson]

so what novels should one get?

1-9, what author(s) or just follow the same titles?

[flyer3468]

First read the Thrawn Trilogy by Timothy Zahn. It consists of:

Heir to the Empire
Dark Force Rising
The Last Command

[dmbnj79]

I think they were talking about him communicating with them through the force even though he was dead. Remember how Obi-Wan in ANH after he dies still communicates with Luke throughout the original trilogy. Also, remember Qui-Gon never disappeared when he died, like Obi-Wan and Yoda when they die. I think that after Qui-Gon dies, he learns how to do that stuff (don't ask me how, I don't know) and then teaches Yoda and Obi-Wan while they are in seclusion.
:thumbsup well explained!!

I wish they would have shown that though. I was waiting to see it.

[dmbnj79]

He is never a Jedi until he has been trained by Yoda. At that point, Obi-Wan is dead and there are once again two Sith and two Jedi.

- Matt
Yoda even tells him this on Dagobah.

[dmbnj79]

Lucas also said that if ROTS does well at the box office he will be obligated to do 7-9. The early reports of Sith being "The Last Star Wars film" was just a marketing technique to get people to go see it. Looks like he's been pulling a Jedi mind trick on all of us.:eek

Lucas didn't say that. I went to a Rick McCallum panel at Celebration III and Rick even said that it will not be done. Lucas has said in MANY MANY interviews that he is finished and 7-9 will not be done. There is nothing more to tell, unless you want to enter into Expanded Universe.

[dmbnj79]

If you want more info on the books, go
http://www.theforce.net/books/

The Thrawn Trilogy is the best of the Expanded Universe books. Don't even bother with New Jedi Order.

[greppson]

Lucas didn't say that. I went to a Rick McCallum panel at Celebration III and Rick even said that it will not be done. Lucas has said in MANY MANY interviews that he is finished and 7-9 will not be done. There is nothing more to tell, unless you want to enter into Expanded Universe.
are there thoughts that lucas would allow someone else to write and produce them?

or something to that effect?

[greppson]

If you want more info on the books, go
http://www.theforce.net/books/

The Thrawn Trilogy is the best of the Expanded Universe books. Don't even bother with New Jedi Order.

for novels of the actual 1-6 are there specific authors that have written the best... i imagine they follow the movies closely(obviously)... are they even worth reading?

[Dancing Ants]

for novels of the actual 1-6 are there specific authors that have written the best... i imagine they follow the movies closely(obviously)... are they even worth reading?

yeah you can get 4-6 in one big book for about 25 bucks. then you should be able to get 1-2 in paper back, and 3 in hardcover still. end up costin around 70 bucks probably.

[JimiThang1]

are there thoughts that lucas would allow someone else to write and produce them?

or something to that effect?
Nope Lucas has stated this also many times that he won't let anyone else touch it to make any more films. Though we do have two TV series to look forward to.

[dmbnj79]

are there thoughts that lucas would allow someone else to write and produce them?

or something to that effect?

It'll be Lucasfilm sanctioned, but he's not going to have any part in it. 7-9 isn't getting done. However, there is talks of a live action show in 2007, Kevin Smith POSSIBLY taking the reigns. Like the Clone Wars Cartoon, it'll be LFL Licensed. That's all Lucas will have to do with it.

[JimiThang1]

It'll be Lucasfilm sanctioned, but he's not going to have any part in it. 7-9 isn't getting done. However, there is talks of a live action show in 2007, Kevin Smith POSSIBLY taking the reigns. Like the Clone Wars Cartoon, it'll be LFL Licensed. That's all Lucas will have to do with it.
Isn't the other show going to be computer animated?

[dmbnj79]

for novels of the actual 1-6 are there specific authors that have written the best... i imagine they follow the movies closely(obviously)... are they even worth reading?
Timothy Zahn and Matthew Stover. Two of the best SW fiction writers out there.

Also, there's more in the novels than in the actual movie. For the Ep III book, the Mon Mothma scene is actually in there and goes into depth and detail on the Senate trying to convince Padme to help them take Palpy's power away. This is before they even realize he's the Sith Lord.

[dmbnj79]

Isn't the other show going to be computer animated?
i don't know about computer animated.

[greppson]

Timothy Zahn and Matthew Stover. Two of the best SW fiction writers out there.

Also, there's more in the novels than in the actual movie. For the Ep III book, the Mon Mothma scene is actually in there and goes into depth and detail on the Senate trying to convince Padme to help them take Palpy's power away. This is before they even realize he's the Sith Lord.

so his book due out in october looks to be good then too? :)

[JimiThang1]

Also, there's more in the novels than in the actual movie. For the Ep III book, the Mon Mothma scene is actually in there and goes into depth and detail on the Senate trying to convince Padme to help them take Palpy's power away. This is before they even realize he's the Sith Lord.
That was the one thing that bugged the hell out of me about the movie. You've got this wrinkly faced weirdo taking over all powers and everyone in the senate is just clapping and cheering away. There had to be some sort of opposition besides Bail Organa.

[dmbnj79]

so his book due out in october looks to be good then too? :)
yes. Read Shatterpoint & Labyrinth of Evil. Both take place before Episode III. Labyrinth of Evil mentions Count Dooku's apprentice, Asajj Ventress. She was in the Clone Wars cartoon, but not in any of the films. Lucas is a moron and decided NOT to even mention her in the films, as he should have.

Wanna know how Anakin got that scar? It is care of Asajj Ventress. She's one bad bitch.

[Dancing Ants]

bah! she got her face OWNED, Ree.

[dmbnj79]

That was the one thing that bugged the hell out of me about the movie. You've got this wrinkly faced weirdo taking over all powers and everyone in the senate is just clapping and cheering away. There had to be some sort of opposition besides Bail Organa.
It was pretty much Mon Mothma, Bail, Bana Breemu, and two other senators which names I forget, but they convinced Padme to go with them on this belief. Which is why she asks Anakin to tell Palps to step down, and Anakin says, "Don't ask me to do that."

[dmbnj79]

bah! she got her face OWNED, Ree.
shhhhhhhhh. It took her a long time to finally die ;)

[JimiThang1]

That would have been interesting to have been in there. It just seemed there wasn't that much convincing from Obi Wan to make her believe everything.

[Dancing Ants]

It was pretty much Mon Mothma, Bail, Bana Breemu, and two other senators which names I forget, but they convinced Padme to go with them on this belief. Which is why she asks Anakin to tell Palps to step down, and Anakin says, "Don't ask me to do that."

Garm bel Iblis......kick ass guy. he's in a lot of the books.

[dmbnj79]

She finally realized it when Anakin started in with his, "We can rule the galaxy together." She didn't want that, she just wanted to raise their baby together. She really wanted to go back to Naboo.

And, no mention in the the original trilogy of Naboo at all. At least make Padme from Alderaan so we actually KNOW the planet when we hear it in the prequels.

[JimiThang1]

And, no mention in the the original trilogy of Naboo at all.
Maybe that will be something that will come about in the TV shows. Though you would think Obi Wan or Yoda would have mentioned it.

[gbs3769]

Perhaps someone can clarify for me...

I was thinking back to a line in Empire Strikes Back from when Luke had left Degobah and Yoda and the spirt of Obi Wan were talking. I want to say that Obi Wan says something to the effect of "He is our last hope." and Yoda says something to the effect of "There is another." There wasn't any return dialogue on that from Obi Wan and it seemed like he had no idea what Yoda was talking about.

My thought here is, wouldn't Obi Wan know that Luke had a sister?

- Matt

[dmbnj79]

Perhaps someone can clarify for me...

I was thinking back to a line in Empire Strikes Back from when Luke had left Degobah and Yoda and the spirt of Obi Wan were talking. I want to say that Obi Wan says something to the effect of "He is our last hope." and Yoda says something to the effect of "There is another." There wasn't any return dialogue on that from Obi Wan and it seemed like he had no idea what Yoda was talking about.

My thought here is, wouldn't Obi Wan know that Luke had a sister?

- Matt

You're right. But maybe it was understood that he knew, hence why he didn't say anything?

Shit, I don't know why Lucas bothers anymore. :lol

[gbs3769]

Shit, I don't know why Lucas bothers anymore. :lol

While Episode III sure filled in a lot of loose holes and allowed us to see where pieces fell together, I feel like the first three movies leave us with more questions than they do answers.

- Matt

[dmbnj79]

While Episode III sure filled in a lot of loose holes and allowed us to see where pieces fell together, I feel like the first three movies leave us with more questions than they do answers.

- Matt

Do I even have to say it? Yes.

Master Sifo Diyas. They never said his real identity. He ordered the clone army. Okay, no one ever heard of him. :confused

[greppson]

i wish i could get a paperweight yoda. :lol

[dmbnj79]

i wish i could get a paperweight yoda. :lol

I have this cardboard cutout of Yoda in my apartment right now. Gary got it from an event he was at yesterday. But it's being given to a friend of ours as a gift.

Pretty cool, it is.

[Dancing Ants]

Do I even have to say it? Yes.

Master Sifo Diyas. They never said his real identity. He ordered the clone army. Okay, no one ever heard of him. :confused

....Sidious....i've about decided it's a play on Sidious' name. It's very hard for me to explain how Obi Wan knew him though...he talks about how he thought Diyas had died ten years earlier. maybe palpatine masqueraded as a Jedi Master for a while, "killed" himself off, so he didn't have to play 3 personalities.

[dmbnj79]

....Sidious....i've about decided it's a play on Sidious' name. It's very hard for me to explain how Obi Wan knew him though...he talks about how he thought Diyas had died ten years earlier. maybe palpatine masqueraded as a Jedi Master for a while, "killed" himself off, so he didn't have to play 3 personalities.
Hmmmmm. Not really playing into that. I doubt that he had that many personas.

[il bacio dolce]

i wish i could get a paperweight yoda. :lol
There is a Pepsi cooler shaped like R2D2 at my grocery store! :eek It's cute.

That's really all I have to add to the big Star Wars discussion. :monkey

[Dancing Ants]

There's something...maybe in the EpII novelization, that alludes to Sidious being Sifo Diyas. It's been a while since I kept up with SW history.

[dmbnj79]

There's something...maybe in the EpII novelization, that alludes to Sidious being Sifo Diyas. It's been a while since I kept up with SW history.

Hmmmmm. Not the Episode II novel. Possibly one of the Clone Wars series?

Have you read Open Seasons? It's a trade paperback on Jango Fett.

[Dancing Ants]

that and the fact that it plays right into all the happening around the time of TPM.

[Dancing Ants]

Hmmmmm. Not the Episode II novel. Possibly one of the Clone Wars series?

Have you read Open Seasons? It's a trade paperback on Jango Fett.

Ok! i remember where i got this idea. Sifo Diyas was an actual jedi master...Sidious just used his name as a name to place the order for the clones (he was probably already dead...so no one would ask questions). No one else COULD have known the Republic would need an army on such short notice except for Sidious. So it HAS to be sidious....or maybe Dooku. I'm sticking with Sidious.


And has anyone else ever wondered WHY the Jedi, knowing that the Sith existed in some form around Ep2, used the clones? I mean...it's so stupid of them. Let's connect the dots here, Yoda.

[dmbnj79]

good point, Cooper.

[il bacio dolce]

Enthralling.

[Dancing Ants]

Enthralling.

dude yer a smartass.

[dmbnj79]

Enthralling.
It is, actually. :rolleyes

[il bacio dolce]

It is, actually. :rolleyes
Ahh. Well. I stand corrected, don't I?

[dmbnj79]

Ahh. Well. I stand corrected, don't I?
Why do you crash every thread? Things are much better with you on ignore, Cassie.

If you don't know anything about our topic of conversation, why bother? Do you not have anything better to do?

[il bacio dolce]

At the moment, no.

[dmbnj79]

At the moment, no.

Please find something else to do, besides taunt and antagonize.

[il bacio dolce]

I'm not taunting you. Relax.

[dmbnj79]

I'm not taunting you. Relax.

:lol

[il bacio dolce]

I'm so glad you can laugh at it. Cause it isn't that serious. :rolleyes

[Dancing Ants]

you're haunting us.

[il bacio dolce]

you're haunting us.
That's why the Smurfette came back. She died. That's her ghost. :)

[dmbnj79]

I'm so glad you can laugh at it. Cause it isn't that serious. :rolleyes

I'm glad I can laugh at it. And when you laugh at something, it's not serious.

:lol

It's too late for this interruption. More discussion tomorrow, Coop.

[Dancing Ants]

That's why the Smurfette came back. She died. That's her ghost. :)

i feel i've never told you
the story of the ghost
who i once knew and talked to
of whom i'd never boast


bye Ree!

[dmbnj79]

Coop, Discovery Channel. Quick.

[JimiThang1]

Wow this is really interesting...

[Dancing Ants]

Coop, Discovery Channel. Quick.


oh cool!

[Gregb486]

god this move was overhyped

[tosssweep]

This is the first I've stepped into this thread. I figured since I've seen EpIII now, I can wander in and not have anything spoiled - so I read the last 3 pages. I must say that whoever posted that ROTS ties many things together it really just leaves more questions is dead on :thumbsup :thumbsup

My buddies and I had a Star Wars marathon last week, and after seeing EpIII we were all like "What about....?" "So what's the deal with so-and-so...?"

Oh, George Lucas, what a twisted Star Wars web you've tangled!

[cbsauder]

i looked at the list of books on theforce.net and i've actually read quite a few of them (back in the day).

The ones that i remember by title:


Shadows of the Empire by Steve Perry
The Truce At Bakura by Kathy Tyers

The Thrawn Trilogy by Timothy Zahn
Heir to the Empire
Dark Force Rising
The Last Command

The Jedi Academy Trilogy by Kevin J. Anderson

Jedi Search
Dark Apprentice
Champions of the Force
Darksaber by Kevin J. Anderson
The Crystal Star by Vonda N. McIntyre

The Corellian Trilogy by Roger MacBride Allen
Ambush at Corellia
Assault at Selonia
Showdown at Centerpoint


holy crap thats pretty many (for me any way). maybe i shouldn't be admitting this... :lol :eek

[cbsauder]

oh and i thought some of you might be interested in this sweepstakes:
http://masterreplicas.com/customer/starwars/starwars_category.php

[cbsauder]

um yea, i wont be getting this...
http://shop.starwars.com/catalog/product.xml?product_id=1838 :lol
it's a bestseller!

[Number27]

I am of the minority opinion that the movie made the entire saga make no sense. In order for this movie to work, Anakin has to be completely stupid and borderline retarded, and that just doesn't jive with the intelligence they had previously established for him.
George Lucas sucks ass. This movie was very dissapointing.

[1eyed_jack]

the movie was glorious. it didn't tie everything together, but it definately cam full circle.

why wouls anakin have to be borderline retarded?

[dmbnj79]

Shadows of the Empire is supposed to take place either between ANH and ESB or EBS and ROTJ. It's a very good book.

Oh, don't buy anything from Master Replicas. Wait till someone else buys it and throws it up on Ebay. You'll save more money.

[cbsauder]

Shadows of the Empire is supposed to take place either between ANH and ESB or EBS and ROTJ. It's a very good book.

Oh, don't buy anything from Master Replicas. Wait till someone else buys it and throws it up on Ebay. You'll save more money.
how so? people selling for lots less than they paid?

[dmbnj79]

how so? people selling for lots less than they paid?
My boyfriend paid 200 less for a Dooku replica saber than it was being sold for on Master Replicas. He also got a Windu replica for pretty much nothing.

[cbsauder]

wow a star wars fan w/ a significant other? :lol someone isnt following stereotypes... :p

[dmbnj79]

wow a star wars fan w/ a significant other? :lol someone isnt following stereotypes... :p

we both like the films. :lol we're not your average geek.

[OklahomaMama]

i looked at the list of books on theforce.net and i've actually read quite a few of them (back in the day).

The ones that i remember by title:


Shadows of the Empire by Steve Perry
The Truce At Bakura by Kathy Tyers

The Thrawn Trilogy by Timothy Zahn
Heir to the Empire
Dark Force Rising
The Last Command

The Jedi Academy Trilogy by Kevin J. Anderson

Jedi Search
Dark Apprentice
Champions of the Force
Darksaber by Kevin J. Anderson
The Crystal Star by Vonda N. McIntyre

The Corellian Trilogy by Roger MacBride Allen
Ambush at Corellia
Assault at Selonia
Showdown at Centerpoint


holy crap thats pretty many (for me any way). maybe i shouldn't be admitting this... :lol :eek
i was 12 the summer of the very first Star Wars movie and i checked out most of those earlier books at the public library
good times :)

[cbsauder]

yea i got all of them at the library too. the only reason the list isnt longer is because that's all the library has!

[dmbnj79]

yea i got all of them at the library too. the only reason the list isnt longer is because that's all the library has!

I've got a few books and trade paperbacks as well. Of course, my boyfriend is very iffy about lending the trade paperbacks out (if there's a bent page, he'll freak).

Oh, I'm going to recommend the X-Wing Rogue Squadron trade paperbacks to you guys. My favorites besides Open Seasons.

[cbsauder]

trade paperbacks are very collectible i assume?

[flyer3468]

I've got a few books and trade paperbacks as well. Of course, my boyfriend is very iffy about lending the trade paperbacks out (if there's a bent page, he'll freak).

Oh, I'm going to recommend the X-Wing Rogue Squadron trade paperbacks to you guys. My favorites besides Open Seasons.

I have the first one, but it's late in a long list of things to read I have.

[cbsauder]

The Secret of Life
:lol

[Mave Datthews]

well i saw it on Saturday, and i must say it was quite awesome.

definitely the most dramatic episode yet. and as with the first two, i'll have to see it again to absorb more of what's happening. i left the theatre feeling pretty depressed after seeing HOW it all happened (Anakin ---> Vader; etc.), and it's quite a tragedy, but knowing how it all turns out is nice too.

obviously, you can't beat the originals. they were, are, and will always be the standards to which all sci-fi movies will be measured up to.

most fans, including myself, will say that there's too much going on at one time on the screen, and it's hard to follow at times, but i think this is simply because the ability to do more is there today. back when the originals were being made, they didn't have nearly the capacity to do what we can do now with computer animation and so forth...

but anyway, i loved it, and now i wanna watch the original 3 as i wanted to do after seeing the first 2. :p

[dmbnj79]

I have the first one, but it's late in a long list of things to read I have.

I just like the story of Baron Fel, and the 181st Division. And Ysanne Isard is one of my favorite characters. :)

[Isilinde]

Getting ready for round 2.
I probably won't see it again in theatres after this.
But who knows?
There's always that situation where one of your friends wants to see it, but nobody else will go with him/her.....

[dmbnj79]

I'm not spending anymore money on this film.

[killymagee2000]

I finally saw it on Saturday! Hot damn!

[flyer3468]

Here is a list of important Star Wars Novels in Chronological Order. I left out some books like the Black Fleet Crisis and some more, only because I heard they were terrible. The one's in bold I have read and can personally recommend. My favorites are easily the Timothy Zahn Books, I haven't read any X-Wing books but they're next on my list.


Darth Maul: Saboteur – JAMES LUCENO
Shadow Hunter - MICHAEL REAVES
Cloak of Deception - JAMES LUCENO
The Phantom Menace - TERRY BROOKS
Rogue Planet - GREG BEAR
Attack of the Clones - R.A. SALVATORE

*Clone Wars Novels*

Labyrinth of Evil – JAMES LUCENO
Revenge of the Sith - MATTHEW WOODRING STOVER

Han Solo Trilogy - A.C. CRISPIN
Han Solo Adventures - BRIAN DALEY

A New Hope - GEORGE LUCAS
Splinter of the Mind's Eye - ALAN DEAN FOSTER
The Empire Strikes Back - DONALD F. GLUT
Shadows of the Empire - STEVE PERRY
Return Of The Jedi - JAMES KAHN
The Truce at Bakura - KATHY TYERS

*X-Wing Series*

The Courtship of Princess Leia - DAVE WOLVERTON
Tatooine Ghost - TROY DENNING
Thrawn Trilogy - TIMOTHY ZAHN
Jedi Academy Trilogy - KEVIN ANDERSON
The Correlian Trilogy - ROGER MACBRIDE ALLEN
Specter of the Past - TIMOTHY ZAHN
Vision of the Future - TIMOTHY ZAHN
Survivor's Quest - TIMOTHY ZAHN

[flyer3468]

The Secret of Life
:lol

It's nice to hear that people do fall for that.

[bdfresh62]

It's nice to hear that people do fall for that.

Yeah I totally just fell for it.

[cbsauder]

It's nice to hear that people do fall for that.
hey.. i didnt fall for it. i was just seeing if the joke..... worked.... :D

[Bartender84]

Having "bringing balance to the Force" mean having 2 Jedi and 2 Sith makes no sense. If that's the case, then what's the point of this great prophecy if it just ends up failing 20 years later.

IMO, Vader brings balance to the Force by leaving Luke as the only current Force user alive. If you think about it, Luke is almost like a combination of Light Side and Dark Side. Obviously, he is light in that he's a good guy, but he also has passion and loves people, something that is forbidden for Jedi in the Republic era.

I believe that the Republic-era Jedi and the Sith are two extremes of the Force, and "bringing balance to the Force" literally means bringing balance between the two sides.

The Jedi in the Prequel trilogy were obviously weaker than what they should be, and that's because they were too afraid to use too much of their power, afraid that things like love and passion would lead them to the dark side. Luke is proof that you can have those things and still be a Jedi, and he is the true example of what a Jedi should be.

[dm40band]

I'm not spending anymore money on this film.

why is that?

[Gary]

Tomorrow I see it on a 60 foot DLP screen.

Can't wait.

[drumdude05]

Having "bringing balance to the Force" mean having 2 Jedi and 2 Sith makes no sense. If that's the case, then what's the point of this great prophecy if it just ends up failing 20 years later.

IMO, Vader brings balance to the Force by leaving Luke as the only current Force user alive. If you think about it, Luke is almost like a combination of Light Side and Dark Side. Obviously, he is light in that he's a good guy, but he also has passion and loves people, something that is forbidden for Jedi in the Republic era.

I believe that the Republic-era Jedi and the Sith are two extremes of the Force, and "bringing balance to the Force" literally means bringing balance between the two sides.

The Jedi in the Prequel trilogy were obviously weaker than what they should be, and that's because they were too afraid to use too much of their power, afraid that things like love and passion would lead them to the dark side. Luke is proof that you can have those things and still be a Jedi, and he is the true example of what a Jedi should be.

Good Call. :thumbsup

[tosssweep]

Having "bringing balance to the Force" mean having 2 Jedi and 2 Sith makes no sense. If that's the case, then what's the point of this great prophecy if it just ends up failing 20 years later.

IMO, Vader brings balance to the Force by leaving Luke as the only current Force user alive. If you think about it, Luke is almost like a combination of Light Side and Dark Side. Obviously, he is light in that he's a good guy, but he also has passion and loves people, something that is forbidden for Jedi in the Republic era.

I believe that the Republic-era Jedi and the Sith are two extremes of the Force, and "bringing balance to the Force" literally means bringing balance between the two sides.

The Jedi in the Prequel trilogy were obviously weaker than what they should be, and that's because they were too afraid to use too much of their power, afraid that things like love and passion would lead them to the dark side. Luke is proof that you can have those things and still be a Jedi, and he is the true example of what a Jedi should be.

I kinda like that.

I was pondering this also, and always considered that maybe "balance" meant Anakin would offset the thousands of Jedi that already existed - but they you are left with 2 Sith and 2 Jedi in the end... One thing that EpIII very, very breifly touched on was that "perhaps the prophecy was misread" and of course, Lucas left it at that. So was it misread? or wasn't it? What the hell George!

[tdowe99]

I think that it was misread in the fact that, yes, like you said, Anakin would bring balance to the Force. There were too many Jedi, so the Light Side was in power, and Anakin brought balance.

[Tomriddle]

Having "bringing balance to the Force" mean having 2 Jedi and 2 Sith makes no sense. If that's the case, then what's the point of this great prophecy if it just ends up failing 20 years later.

IMO, Vader brings balance to the Force by leaving Luke as the only current Force user alive. If you think about it, Luke is almost like a combination of Light Side and Dark Side. Obviously, he is light in that he's a good guy, but he also has passion and loves people, something that is forbidden for Jedi in the Republic era.

I believe that the Republic-era Jedi and the Sith are two extremes of the Force, and "bringing balance to the Force" literally means bringing balance between the two sides.

The Jedi in the Prequel trilogy were obviously weaker than what they should be, and that's because they were too afraid to use too much of their power, afraid that things like love and passion would lead them to the dark side. Luke is proof that you can have those things and still be a Jedi, and he is the true example of what a Jedi should be.

No, no no.

GL has explained that the Force is by nature good, and that the Sith are an aberration. Thats why when Ani destroys the Sith in the end of ROTJ he brings the Force into "balance", becuase it is good again. Get it?

[mwjorgens]

saw it last night, pretty dece.

[Orpheus]

Well, Lucas improved with each of these three films--though that isn't saying much. This last one was decent, still lacking in the writing but decent. Hayden wasn't as bad as the reviews have been making him out to be. MacGregor was great. Ian McDiarmid ruled every scene he was in. A-1 special effects. I would definitely watch it again.

Anyone else think that throwaway line at the end about Yoda teaching Obi-Wan to "commune" with Qui-Gon's ghost was blatant setup for the television series they're spinning off of the movie? It really served no other purpose whatsoever.

[JimiThang1]

Supposedly there was a scene that was cut that setup that line that probably will be on the DVD. It is supposed to show Yoda communicating with Qui-Gonn. I blame bad editing for including that.

[monkeyman]

Well, Lucas improved with each of these three films--though that isn't saying much. This last one was decent, still lacking in the writing but decent. Hayden wasn't as bad as the reviews have been making him out to be. MacGregor was great. Ian McDiarmid ruled every scene he was in. A-1 special effects. I would definitely watch it again.

Anyone else think that throwaway line at the end about Yoda teaching Obi-Wan to "commune" with Qui-Gon's ghost was blatant setup for the television series they're spinning off of the movie? It really served no other purpose whatsoever.

The line at the end is GL's way of explaining the disappearing at death of Obi-Wan and Yoda and their subsequent force ghosts.

[Tomriddle]

The line at the end is GL's way of explaining the disappearing at death of Obi-Wan and Yoda and their subsequent force ghosts.

Exactly- he's explaining it for the fanboys without making it confusing for the non-obsessed viewers.

[dmbnj79]

why is that?
I hated it.

[Nitro1515]

Not an Episode III question, but could somebody please explain to me why Mark Hamill looks completely different in Episodes V and VI compared to Episode IV. Its like somebody broke his nose or something.

[JimiThang1]

He had a very serious car accident between a new hope and empire. He almost died.

[Nitro1515]

He had a very serious car accident between a new hope and empire. He almost died.Oh ok thanks. Ever since I first watched those movies when I was little I always wondered what happened to him.

[Julia<3sDMB]

My obsessed father sent this to me and I thought they were funny. I get my obsessive nature from him, lol.

I picked out the ones I thought were really funny. There are a ton more so if you really want them PM me =)

You know you're a Star Wars geek when …..

· When you pass out while trying to move a pencil across the desk with the Force.
· If you get your head stuck in a bucket pretending your Darth Vader.
· You put on a luminous colored condom and walk around humming, pretending you're a light-saber
· You name your right hand 'Leia'
· You think you are the life of the party because you imitate Yoda's voice and have him say things a Jedi master wouldn't say.
· When you listen for the wisdom of Obi-Wan while attempting to parallel-park.
· You can't resist to hum when you turn on a flashlight
· Before sex, you look at your penis and say "Get in there, you furry oaf, I don't care what you smell!"
· After looking at your tiny penis you remember Yoda's saying "size matters not."
· When your stuck in a 'yoga' class because of a misprint on the advertisement

[tarheel997]

I just watched Jedi tonight, the DVD remastered version, and they put Hayden Christianson at the end of the movie as opposed to the creepy guy they originally had. I though that was pretty cool.

[saveferris28]

I just watched Jedi tonight, the DVD remastered version, and they put Hayden Christianson at the end of the movie as opposed to the creepy guy they originally had. I though that was pretty cool.


How'd they make him look as old and gnarly as the other guy?:ugh

[JimiThang1]

It's just young Anakin (Hayden) that appears with Yoda and Obi-Wan. I'm not a big fan of that change. The guy dies and then becomes an image of his younger self. Though I guess now you could argue that since he did look extremely mangled when he was cut up by Obi-Wan then turned into a walking machine that the young Anakin is how he would be remembered as.

[saveferris28]

It's just young Anakin (Hayden) that appears with Yoda and Obi-Wan. I'm not a big fan of that change. The guy dies and then becomes an image of his younger self. Though I guess now you could argue that since he did look extremely mangled when he was cut up by Obi-Wan then turned into a walking machine that the young Anakin is how he would be remembered as.

I obviously haven't seen it yet but judging by your description, I think that stinks. They should've left it the way it was or changed his face from when Luke first takes Darth's helmet off. :thumbsdow

[Jake]

He had a very serious car accident between a new hope and empire. He almost died.



everyone seems to forget that.


It really had a large effect on his acting career. It has a lot to do with why he does main voice over work (or so the rumor mongers have it). Something about memory issues.

[yoda462]

It has a lot to do with why he does main voice over work (or so the rumor mongers have it). Something about memory issues.

Yikes, I didn't know it was that severe!

[DMBand520]

In the original ROTJ was it just Obi-Won and Yoda's ghosts at the end or was it Obi-Won, Yoda, and a different Anakin? I forget and the only version I have to watch now is the new one with Anakin (played by Hayden Christianson) in it ... I wasnt sure if they just changed actors at the end or if they actually added anakin in there when he wasnt there originally.

[flyer3468]

I like the change in ROTJ very much. We see Anakin from before he turned to the dark side. It goes along with Obi-Wan talking about in ANH. He says that a young Jedi named Darth Vader killed your father. By switching the actors it shows that Anakin truly did die when he turned into Darth Vader. That he was a different person.

[RJ2kWJ]

Who was used for the voice of Vader at the end of Episode 3?

[DMBand520]

Who was used for the voice of Vader at the end of Episode 3?

they used James Earl Jones again

[Rob]

everyone seems to forget that.


It really had a large effect on his acting career. It has a lot to do with why he does main voice over work (or so the rumor mongers have it). Something about memory issues.

He's done quite a few voice overs, for sure, but he also did quite a bit of live-action acting in the Wing Commander games- III, IV, and Prophecy.

[Orpheus]

I hope eventually, when Lucas either kicks or is too senile to fight it, his kids will get the rights to the original trilogy and release them UNTOUCHED.

I don't know anyone who doesn't wish they would do that now.

[zigbaldi]

what do you mean?

[discostu324]

He's done quite a few voice overs, for sure, but he also did quite a bit of live-action acting in the Wing Commander games- III, IV, and Prophecy.

Don't forget Coming To America. That movie was great!

[spawn]

I hope eventually, when Lucas either kicks or is too senile to fight it, his kids will get the rights to the original trilogy and release them UNTOUCHED.

I don't know anyone who doesn't wish they would do that now.

Although there isn't a official release, you can find them from various sources on dvd. I've seen some with menus that looked like the real thing, all of the ones out there (to my knowledge) have been ripped from laser disc so the quality is good.

[Nitro1515]

I hope eventually, when Lucas either kicks or is too senile to fight it, his kids will get the rights to the original trilogy and release them UNTOUCHED.

I don't know anyone who doesn't wish they would do that now.I have the the original trilogy on VHS untouched, but I assume you are talking about a DVD release.

[Joyful Girl]

Has anyone seen this before? http://www.atomfilms.com/af/content/anakin_dynamite

[DMBand520]

In the original ROTJ was it just Obi-Won and Yoda's ghosts at the end or was it Obi-Won, Yoda, and a different Anakin? I forget and the only version I have to watch now is the new one with Anakin (played by Hayden Christianson) in it ... I wasnt sure if they just changed actors at the end or if they actually added anakin in there when he wasnt there originally.

Can someone answer this question? I'm sure someone here knows ...

[flyer3468]

Can someone answer this question? I'm sure someone here knows ...

It was a different Anakin. A cleaned up scar free version of the person you see when he takes his helmet off. I'm pretty sure it was the same actor.

[DMBand520]

It was a different Anakin. A cleaned up scar free version of the person you see when he takes his helmet off. I'm pretty sure it was the same actor.

Thanks!

[Joyful Girl]

It was a different Anakin. A cleaned up scar free version of the person you see when he takes his helmet off. I'm pretty sure it was the same actor.It was the same actor :thumbsup

[Joyful Girl]

I have the the original trilogy on VHS untouched, but I assume you are talking about a DVD release.
I have this also, but it's certainly not untouched - I sure wish it were :BANG

[Nitro1515]

I have this also, but it's certainly not untouched - I sure wish it were :BANGI thought they were untouched, none of the new digital effects or added scenes are on there.

[flyer3468]

I thought they were untouched, none of the new digital effects or added scenes are on there.

There are several different versions of the VHS's. I have the original versions so they are definitly out there, it all depends on whether you got them before '97 or not.

[Nitro1515]

There are several different versions of the VHS's. I have the original versions so they are definitly out there, it all depends on whether you got them before '97 or not.Yeah I got mine pre '97 for sure, so they have to be the original versions.

[Joyful Girl]

I have this also, but it's certainly not untouched - I sure wish it were :BANG
Oh, there's no CGI, but I mean they have definitely been watched over and over and over - you know, "untouched" in another sense :)

[JimiThang1]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/crime_starwars_dc

George doesn't mess with people stealing his movie...and there goes another torrent site in the process.

[dmbnj79]

I just watched Jedi tonight, the DVD remastered version, and they put Hayden Christianson at the end of the movie as opposed to the creepy guy they originally had. I though that was pretty cool.

Oh god. You watch the Special Editions? GARBAGE! :lol

I prefer the end of ROTJ to have Sebastian Shaw (who played Anakin Skywalker in ROTJ) instead of Hayden Christensen. If they were going to throw in Hayden as Anakin, they could have put in Qui-Gon Jinn & Padme Amidala.

Hayden Christensen was probably a baby when ROTJ was made. So ridiculous.

[dmbnj79]

There are several different versions of the VHS's. I have the original versions so they are definitly out there, it all depends on whether you got them before '97 or not.
I have two versions of the originals on VHS. When they all FIRST came to VHS (meaning they're very old and rickety, except I have them in squeeze boxes, so the covers remained intact. And yes, I have the ORIGINAL covers) and the VHS set with Vader, a Stormtrooper & Yoda on the cover of ANH, ESB & ROTJ.

[flyer3468]

I have two versions of the originals on VHS. When they all FIRST came to VHS (meaning they're very old and rickety, except I have them in squeeze boxes, so the covers remained intact. And yes, I have the ORIGINAL covers) and the VHS set with Vader, a Stormtrooper & Yoda on the cover of ANH, ESB & ROTJ.

Yeah, I have the second set you're talking about, but I do find myself watching the new DVDs more than the original versions. I don't however watch A New Hope on the DVD, I refuse to.

[dmbnj79]

Yeah, I have the second set you're talking about, but I do find myself watching the new DVDs more than the original versions. I don't however watch A New Hope on the DVD, I refuse to.

I will not buy the Special Editions. I have the originals on DVD that I got at a convention, but I love my VHS copies :)

[flyer3468]

I will not buy the Special Editions. I have the originals on DVD that I got at a convention, but I love my VHS copies :)

I spent a month debating whether or not I should buy them and then somebody actually bought me them as a gift. I think the video quality and the widescreen is much more important than updated CGI, at least for Empire and Jedi. I like the idea of changing the Emperor in ESB and changing Anakin in ROTJ, but all the extra scenes in A New Hope just piss me off so much.

[dmbnj79]

The entire Special Editions piss me off. Put the originals on DVD for those of us who kick it old school. You know what I mean?

[alphatabs]

I've never seen Star Wars. How would I watch it if I were too? 1-5 (is it five?) or by when they were made or what? :)

[Rob]

I almost wonder if the special edition DVD's were put out in that fashion to try to bring continuity between the two trilogies. Without the updates, the originals wouldn't tie things together the same way, leaving it as two seperate franchises.

That said, my personal opinion is that people get a little too bent out of shape about the whole thing. The story is the important part, and that's left intact. I understand both arguments, but I enjoy Star Wars without worshipping it. I'm more of a Star Trek person, and I'd love to see what they could do to update the original series. Hell, the CGI stuff in the special edition release of The Motion Picture was damn impressive. Alas, it'll never happen for fear of the repercussions the Star Wars community experienced.

[cbsauder]

The entire Special Editions piss me off. Put the originals on DVD for those of us who kick it old school. You know what I mean?
is it still possible to buy (new) the original vhs? or do the go for a crazy amount on ebay? and how did you get the originals on dvd- bootleg?

[Nitro1515]

Oh, there's no CGI, but I mean they have definitely been watched over and over and over - you know, "untouched" in another sense :)haha oh ok, i know what you mean

[dmbnj79]

I've never seen Star Wars. How would I watch it if I were too? 1-5 (is it five?) or by when they were made or what? :)

That's the debate now. Honestly, I think I'm showing them to my kids Episode I-VI. Although I'd like to show it to them the way I saw it, Episodes IV-VI, then Episodes I-III....but I'd have a lot of explaining to do. :lol

[dmbnj79]

is it still possible to buy (new) the original vhs? or do the go for a crazy amount on ebay? and how did you get the originals on dvd- bootleg?
Search Ebay.

I got the originals on DVD at a Sci-Fi convention. Dealers are selling them constantly.

[alphatabs]

That's the debate now. Honestly, I think I'm showing them to my kids Episode I-VI. Although I'd like to show it to them the way I saw it, Episodes IV-VI, then Episodes I-III....but I'd have a lot of explaining to do. :lol

:) Ah. I'll leave you guys and gals to the debate then! :thumbsup

[cbsauder]

one more question, ree.
is this the orignial, w/ no editing (possibly the one that you have)?
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00021TLDO/ref=pd_sbs_v_1/104-3087636-4187964?v=glance&s=video&n=507846

[cbsauder]

so is this "dealer at a sci-fi convention" dvd set you have official, or bootleg style? not that it really matters. (i guess that makes it two more questions :rolleyes).

[kelme]

Has anyone seen this before? http://www.atomfilms.com/af/content/anakin_dynamite

+1 for that

that was pretty good.

[dmbnj79]

one more question, ree.
is this the orignial, w/ no editing (possibly the one that you have)?
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00021TLDO/ref=pd_sbs_v_1/104-3087636-4187964?v=glance&s=video&n=507846
Format: Special Edition, Widescreen, Box set

That's in your description. Look for any VHS set that was released before 1997. Don't bid on something unless you're sure they are the originals.

[dmbnj79]

so is this "dealer at a sci-fi convention" dvd set you have official, or bootleg style? not that it really matters. (i guess that makes it two more questions :rolleyes).

They're VHS copies ripped onto a DVD-R.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0001KO9QA/ref=pd_sbs_v_1/102-9786508-6771305?v=glance&s=video&n=507846

Here's a Letterbox of the originals, but expensive.

[dmbnj79]

Has anyone seen this before? http://www.atomfilms.com/af/content/anakin_dynamite

Yes!!

Force skills, lightsaber skills.... :lol

I'm totally training to be a jedi master!

[Dr. Strangelove]

That's the debate now. Honestly, I think I'm showing them to my kids Episode I-VI. Although I'd like to show it to them the way I saw it, Episodes IV-VI, then Episodes I-III....but I'd have a lot of explaining to do. :lol

I've often wondered this myself. I think I'm personally going to show my (eventual) kids the films in the order they were made pretty much for the whole Vader/Luke scene in ESB when Vader reveals he's Luke's father. If you watch them in episodic order (I-VI) then that whole scene loses a lot of it's coolness, because you already knew that.

[dmbnj79]

I know. I'm so conflicted. :lol

[Dancing Ants]

eh that whole anakin dynamite was OK.

so what SW stuff are we gonna talk about tonight, ree?

[RaynorC]

Great pictures! Where in Alabama are you at? I probably know some of these people thru Fan Force & 501st (I'm a member of both).
dothan, but the chapter is in ozark I believe.

[mdude85]

I saw it in luxembourg the other day ... it's not bad (and I'm not a big fan of star wars) ... the fight scenes are decent, but like the first 1/3 of the movie is pretty slow and boring. I found myself about to fall asleep.

[dm40band]

i dont get how you guys hate the special edition??? George Lucas says he put the new scenes in there cus that was the way it was supposed to be seen... and not liking/hating Episode III, what is that??? i knew when i first heard about the prequels that ep. III would be my favorite by just beating ESB!!!!!

[werkinsnake]

Have the first 1/3 of the movie discussing Gungans and a slave boy who will reshape the galaxy, and people find it boring. Have the first 1/3 of the movie with spaceships, droids, and thousands of clones blastin the snot out of each other, and people find it boring.

I really don't know what the fans want these days.

If any of you prequel trilogy haters think that you can make a better Star Wars film then by all means...

[cbsauder]

Format: Special Edition, Widescreen, Box set

That's in your description. Look for any VHS set that was released before 1997. Don't bid on something unless you're sure they are the originals.
sweet. why are the ones from amazon that you posted so expensive? i found star wars pre-1997 for much cheaper- on amazon and ebay.

[flyer3468]

i dont get how you guys hate the special edition??? George Lucas says he put the new scenes in there cus that was the way it was supposed to be seen... and not liking/hating Episode III, what is that??? i knew when i first heard about the prequels that ep. III would be my favorite by just beating ESB!!!!!

I really doubt that. Why would Greedo shoot first? And if that is the case, how come it wasn't shot like that 30 years ago.

[emjohn]

What I'd like to find is dual layer DVDs burned from a Laserdisc source (only digital source of the untouched originals). That would be nice.

Lucas remastering of the trilogy was welcome in the sense that he enhanced the visual and audio quality by miles. But his scene-tinkering habit has been pretty galling to those of us that grew up with the films:
-->Han shoots first (badly done, to boot)
-->pointless (and also badly done) Jabba scene in Mos Eisley
-->altering Boba Fett's voice in ESB (dear George, accents aren't genetic)
-->turning the Jabba Palace dance scene into a freaking cartoon
-->the interplanetary celebration scenes (including a Jar-Jar-esque one), completely changing the victory music for no apparent reason, and altering the Anakin force ghost to remind us of the hack actor he used in the prequels.

Evan

[discostu324]

Well what I don't understand is what was the point of replacing the original Anakin Spirit with the New Anakin. When Darth Vader/Anakin died he was older, just like Obi-Wan and Yoda were but their spirits were the older verisions of them. Now why would anakins spirit come back as the younger anakin from the new prequels. NO POINT! That is one add on that should not have been done, I was highly dissappointed with that change.

You just have to wonder if some-time in the distant future, maybe Lucas's prodigies will be remastering or adding scenes to Episodes I-III. Or they just might even recreate the original trilogy just like they do with every old classic (TROY, War of Worlds etc....).

You have to wonder if that will make the orginal saga better or worst.

[Nitro1515]

Well what I don't understand is what was the point of replacing the original Anakin Spirit with the New Anakin. When Darth Vader/Anakin died he was older, just like Obi-Wan and Yoda were but their spirits were the older verisions of them. Now why would anakins spirit come back as the younger anakin from the new prequels. NO POINT! That is one add on that should not have been done, I was highly dissappointed with that change.That is pretty stupid, its almost like he is trying to promote Episode II and III. Also Luke has never seen the young version of his father so wouldn't his initial reaction be more along the lines of "who the hell is this guy?!?", instead of just smiling.

[Tomriddle]

-->turning the Jabba Palace dance scene into a freaking cartoon


This is the only one I agree with you on- this was pretty fucking stupid and painful to watch.

[gbs3769]

i knew when i first heard about the prequels that ep. III would be my favorite by just beating ESB!!!!!

Blasphemy. Nothing beats Empire.

- Matt

[monkeyman]

Have the first 1/3 of the movie discussing Gungans and a slave boy who will reshape the galaxy, and people find it boring. Have the first 1/3 of the movie with spaceships, droids, and thousands of clones blastin the snot out of each other, and people find it boring.

I really don't know what the fans want these days.

If any of you prequel trilogy haters think that you can make a better Star Wars film then by all means...

Things I would have done differently:

No funny talking gungans
No terms like "wizard!" and "chance cube"
No fart jokes
No nickname "Annie"

Also, why Lucas didn't create a bad guy to hate in the prequels is beyond me. Of course everyone knew palpatine was sidious, but the point of pretending to hide that fact hurt the films. It should have been made explicitly clear at the end of ep1. Then you could really hate him. Show Palpatine pulling some strings, unhooded.

Darth Maul should have spent more time on screen in ep1, and then shouldn't have died. He should have played the "Vader" role throughout. Imagine Obi-Wan and Anakin meeting him at the end of ep2 instead of Dooku. And then again at the beginning of ep3. That's called character development. And it's the main reason the prequel trilogy doesn't grab you like the OT.

Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon's relationship and teaching should have been covered more. We never get to see any of the jedi rights of passage. They talk about "the trials" but these are never seen.

You'll notice I'm talking more about ep1. That's because ep2 served hardly any purpose at all. But I will attempt to talk about it anyways. There's no reason to have Padme be so apprehensive towards anakin. It kills the chemistry. Han and Leia were in a war together. Having Anakin take Padme on a picnic is ridiculous.

Then of course there's Obi-Wan in the 50s diner. That speaks for itself. A completely pointless scene. Just have the Kamino system in the library. End of story. Obi-Wan's investigation in ep2 seems like something out of a bad x-files episode.

The whole misperception thing lucas was trying to accomplish throughout just dragged the films down. There was no "rebels vs empire" in the prequel trilogy. The trade federation? The banking clan? Give me a break. Just have a rebellion against the republic that builds up that turns out to be led by sidious. Of course that is what the seperatists are, but when there are about 10 different species and groups making that up, it makes it incredibly hard to follow.

At least for me, I find myself sitting through the 1st 2 movies waiting for the important stuff to happen, without becoming attached at all to any of the characters except Obi-Wan (all eps) and Anakin (ep3 only).

Ok. Rant over.

[cbsauder]

Blasphemy. Nothing beats Empire.

- Matt
NOTHING beats empire. :24

[flyer3468]

Well what I don't understand is what was the point of replacing the original Anakin Spirit with the New Anakin. When Darth Vader/Anakin died he was older, just like Obi-Wan and Yoda were but their spirits were the older verisions of them. Now why would anakins spirit come back as the younger anakin from the new prequels. NO POINT! That is one add on that should not have been done, I was highly dissappointed with that change.

You just have to wonder if some-time in the distant future, maybe Lucas's prodigies will be remastering or adding scenes to Episodes I-III. Or they just might even recreate the original trilogy just like they do with every old classic (TROY, War of Worlds etc....).

You have to wonder if that will make the orginal saga better or worst.

It uses symbolism to show that when Anakin turned into Darth Vader he turned into a completly different person. The last time we see Anakin he looks like Hayden Christianson. In the original ROTJ, we see the old version of Anakin. There really is no old version of Anakin that looks like that. He is burned up real bad by the time he was that old. Either show the burned up version of old Anakin or show the young Anakin and enhance the symbolism of Obi-Wan saying "A young Jedi named Darth Vader killed your father." In reality they're the same person, but if you look deeper that statement shows that the evil in him killed the good and ultimately took over.

[flyer3468]

That is pretty stupid, its almost like he is trying to promote Episode II and III. Also Luke has never seen the young version of his father so wouldn't his initial reaction be more along the lines of "who the hell is this guy?!?", instead of just smiling.

He has also never seen the version of Anakin that is shown in the original version of ROTJ. He only sees the dying, burned version of him in real life, then sees a completly different version of him as a ghost.

[flyer3468]

Things I would have done differently:

Darth Maul should have spent more time on screen in ep1, and then shouldn't have died. He should have played the "Vader" role throughout. Imagine Obi-Wan and Anakin meeting him at the end of ep2 instead of Dooku. And then again at the beginning of ep3. That's called character development. And it's the main reason the prequel trilogy doesn't grab you like the OT.




I absolutely agree with you on this. There was no character development in the prequels except for Anakin. It seemed that everytime they fought a bad guy, there was always a stronger bad guy somewhere else. Darth Maul was the toughest guy in the world, but then there was Dooku, but then there was Greivous, but then there was Palpatine. It seemed like a bad comic book, where they just kept throwing in bad guys that were constantly better than each other. If they kept Darth Maul in there the entire time alongside Palpatine, it would have made it much more interesting.

[cbsauder]

yea the character development/darth maul thing totally true. i thought grevious was a stupid and unnecessary character.

[Tomriddle]

I absolutely agree with you on this. There was no character development in the prequels except for Anakin. It seemed that everytime they fought a bad guy, there was always a stronger bad guy somewhere else. Darth Maul was the toughest guy in the world, but then there was Dooku, but then there was Greivous, but then there was Palpatine. It seemed like a bad comic book, where they just kept throwing in bad guys that were constantly better than each other. If they kept Darth Maul in there the entire time alongside Palpatine, it would have made it much more interesting.

I agree. Dooku was a cool character but his part was tiny. Grievious was cliche and altogether unnessasary. Maul was good, in three films they could have fleshed out his character a bit.

[mawron]

I've often looked at the multiple sith apprentices as just a means to the end, to obtain Anakin. Dooku and the chick from the Clone Wars cartoon were just there as window dressing for what the Emperor really wanted, power over the Senate and Anakin at his side.

Could Maul have been fleshed out? Of course, but an ongoing role would create a bad guy that could rival the image of Vader. And there have been other open-ended characters (Bobba Fett), so it wouldn't have mattered. Maul played the role of exposing the Sith. Dooku played the role of putting the Clone Wars into action. All in all means to a foreseeable end.

[emjohn]

The point of Maul-Dooku-Grievous was simply a sympolic move to illustrate all of the things Anakin would embody as Vader. Maul really did shine and left everyone wanting more, Dooku could have been better - we should have really been creeped out and frightened of him (hence Christopher Lee), and Grievous was pretty much glossed over. He was a lot more fearful in the cartoons.

Evan

[monkeyman]

I've often looked at the multiple sith apprentices as just a means to the end, to obtain Anakin. Dooku and the chick from the Clone Wars cartoon were just there as window dressing for what the Emperor really wanted, power over the Senate and Anakin at his side.

Could Maul have been fleshed out? Of course, but an ongoing role would create a bad guy that could rival the image of Vader. And there have been other open-ended characters (Bobba Fett), so it wouldn't have mattered. Maul played the role of exposing the Sith. Dooku played the role of putting the Clone Wars into action. All in all means to a foreseeable end.

of course you could look back and say "this guy did this, and that guy did that," but it hardly makes for riveting cinema. Darth Maul could have done everything Dooku did. Would it be so bad to have a bad guy rival the image of Vader? The trilogies take place in 2 completely different times. It's ok to have two great bad guys. Going into each film, there is no guy to really hate. I remember hearing before episode 2, that the new bad guy would put Darth Maul to shame. What did we get? F'ing Saruman.

[Nitro1515]

He has also never seen the version of Anakin that is shown in the original version of ROTJ. He only sees the dying, burned version of him in real life, then sees a completly different version of him as a ghost.Its not like its a different actor though its the same person just without the scars.

[zigbaldi]

Also Luke has never seen the young version of his father so wouldn't his initial reaction be more along the lines of "who the hell is this guy?!?", instead of just smiling.

im pretty sure he can feel his presence with the force

[Orpheus]

The entire Special Editions piss me off. Put the originals on DVD for those of us who kick it old school. You know what I mean?

Word.

[mawron]

of course you could look back and say "this guy did this, and that guy did that," but it hardly makes for riveting cinema. Darth Maul could have done everything Dooku did. Would it be so bad to have a bad guy rival the image of Vader? The trilogies take place in 2 completely different times. It's ok to have two great bad guys. Going into each film, there is no guy to really hate. I remember hearing before episode 2, that the new bad guy would put Darth Maul to shame. What did we get? F'ing Saruman.

To have that bad guy that spans the three films would just have been a repeat of the OT. The true bad guy is to be Palps and that's it.

It was tough to watch 2 1/2 hours of a kid and 2 1/2 hours of geek-written love scenes, but in the scope of the PT: I(Fear), II(Anger), III(Hate) it did sew the seeds of who Anakin would be and become.

I enjoyed EpIII but I'm just as relieved it's over.

[drumdude05]

I'm listening to "Duel of the Fates" right now, it's sweet.

[bdfresh62]

I've often wondered this myself. I think I'm personally going to show my (eventual) kids the films in the order they were made pretty much for the whole Vader/Luke scene in ESB when Vader reveals he's Luke's father. If you watch them in episodic order (I-VI) then that whole scene loses a lot of it's coolness, because you already knew that.

Yeah that is what I was thinking too. No need to watch them 1-6 in that order or that whole scene is lost.

[dmbnj79]

i dont get how you guys hate the special edition??? George Lucas says he put the new scenes in there cus that was the way it was supposed to be seen... and not liking/hating Episode III, what is that??? i knew when i first heard about the prequels that ep. III would be my favorite by just beating ESB!!!!!

If it was meant to be seen that way, he would have invented special effects back in 77. If it was meant to be seen that way, he wouldn't have put the originals out AT ALL. He wouldn't have even made them. Special Editions are a ruse. George Lucas wants more money, so he puts special effects and retarded scenes in the originals, knowing people will buy them. I like my cheesey effects, thank you.

Hating Episode III is very simple. George Lucas left a lot of things unanswered, the dialogue was less than decent, and he made the Emperor look like a pedophile and man-boy lover. It's pretty disgusting and creeps me out. I have Episode III on DVD already, and the more I watch it, the more I hate it. The wookiee scene, didn't need it. The love scenes, didn't need that either. Sooooooooooo many loose ends. However, Obi-Wan was the best part of the movie.

[dmbnj79]

sweet. why are the ones from amazon that you posted so expensive? i found star wars pre-1997 for much cheaper- on amazon and ebay.

Becausethey're probably original packaging, like the ones I own.

[dmbnj79]

I really doubt that. Why would Greedo shoot first? And if that is the case, how come it wasn't shot like that 30 years ago.
Han shot first, bitches.