Star Wars III: Revenge of the Sith

[tdowe99]

Becausethey're probably original packaging, like the ones I own.
Is that the one where Luke looks all buff, and Leia like a pin-up girl?

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[dmbnj79]

I agree. Dooku was a cool character but his part was tiny. Grievious was cliche and altogether unnessasary. Maul was good, in three films they could have fleshed out his character a bit.
I'm going to elaborate on this a bit.

At first, they were going to put Asajj Ventress in Darth Maul's spot in Episode I. They scratched that. Darth Maul was basically a wasted character. His character had SO much potential, and I think they basically abused his character left and right. Then, they had Asajj Ventress in the concept art books as Dooku's apprentice. We didn't see her in Episode II. If you watched the Clone Wars cartoons, Dooku found Asajj and put her through a test, he gave her the dual sabers, and sent her to kill Anakin. That scar? Courtesy of Asajj Ventress (read Labyrinth of Evil). When Bai Ling was cast in Episode III, everyone thought she'd be Asajj Ventress. Unfortunately, that was another character wasted in the minds of Expanded Universe. Then, Grievous. He falls in line with Maul and Ventress...wasted. In Episode III, he doesn't touch on why Grievous has a hairball cough. He leaves it up to the viewer if they've seen the Clone Wars cartoons or not. Also, we don't know who the heck Grievous is. There's Expanded Universe stuff on him too. Those three characters definitely would have added to a great story, making the prequels MUCH better than they were.

/rant

[dmbnj79]

Is that the one where Luke looks all buff, and Leia like a pin-up girl?

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The url didn't work, Tony....but I know what you're talking about. Yes.

[JimiThang1]

I just got done watching the Clone Wars cartoon series. Very interesting stuff...pretty cool how it bridged the two episodes nicely. The Asajj Ventress would have been cool in the movies but in the end she would of ended up just being a pawn in Palpatine's game since we all know Anakin was meant to be his true apprentice.

[bdfresh62]

I just got done watching the Clone Wars cartoon series. Very interesting stuff...pretty cool how it bridged the two episodes nicely. The Asajj Ventress would have been cool in the movies but in the end she would of ended up just being a pawn in Palpatine's game since we all know Anakin was meant to be his true apprentice.

I saw the first DVD. Apparently there is another one coming out soon.

[JimiThang1]

I saw the first DVD. Apparently there is another one coming out soon.
Yea I downloaded the next 5 chapters they just aired on Cartoon Network. Really bridges everything together.

[bdfresh62]

Yea I downloaded the next 5 chapters they just aired on Cartoon Network. Really bridges everything together.

Doesn't it go right up to where Palpatine is kidnapped by Grievous?

[JimiThang1]

Doesn't it go right up to where Palpatine is kidnapped by Grievous?
Yup, they show the kidnapping and the last scene is with Obi-Wan and Anakin going into space to fight that battle in the first scene of the film so that they can save Palpatine.

[bdfresh62]

Sweet. I really enjoyed the first Clone Wars series. Can't wait to see this one.

[werkinsnake]

That is pretty stupid, its almost like he is trying to promote Episode II and III. Also Luke has never seen the young version of his father so wouldn't his initial reaction be more along the lines of "who the hell is this guy?!?", instead of just smiling.

Luke is smiling because he's thinking, "WOW, that dude makes ME look like a GREAT actor". Just kiddin, much love for Hayden over here.

[dm40band]

If it was meant to be seen that way, he would have invented special effects back in 77. If it was meant to be seen that way, he wouldn't have put the originals out AT ALL. He wouldn't have even made them. Special Editions are a ruse. George Lucas wants more money, so he puts special effects and retarded scenes in the originals, knowing people will buy them. I like my cheesey effects, thank you.

Hating Episode III is very simple. George Lucas left a lot of things unanswered, the dialogue was less than decent, and he made the Emperor look like a pedophile and man-boy lover. It's pretty disgusting and creeps me out. I have Episode III on DVD already, and the more I watch it, the more I hate it. The wookiee scene, didn't need it. The love scenes, didn't need that either. Sooooooooooo many loose ends. However, Obi-Wan was the best part of the movie.

ok first Episode III, the love scenes, do u think Luke and Leia are just gonna come from no where??? thats why everyone hated Episode II cus of the love scenes and thats just dumb!!! If u hate Episode III then why have it on DVD??? his dialogue is never decent, i thought the way they had the emperor look like that was awesome cus now at least we know how he got all deformed regardless of what he looks like!!! i agree there were a lot of questions unanswered but nothing that was really significant!!! The only major problem i had was Qui Gonn wasnt in there when Yoda was meditating... As far as the Wookies, i think it was just so you had a piece of the old trilogy in there and probably wanted to give Peter Mayhew a piece of the new trilogy and he needed a reason for Yoda to be out of the Coruscant and what better way then for him to be with Chewy!!!!

and the old trilogy, im gonna say this one more time, George Lucas says there stuff that was cut out that he wanted in there thats why there the extra scenes and he wanted the fans to see what he had in his head!!! and there was stuff that he couldnt do in 77 that he could later on!!! i just love when people argue with what GL actually said

[jayjay80]

totally agree with everything you just said there dm40band. Why would someone continually watch a movie that they don't like? maybe it's because secretly they do like it but they are trying to convince themselves that it is rubbish because they are meant to believe it's rubbish. I personally loved ep III, i thought it brought the whole saga together nicely and it makes me look at the original trilogy in a new light. it shows how everything anakin did he did it for his wife and even when he had become darth vader in the suit and shit he was still thinking of her, only to be manipulated by the emperor.

ep I to III is not the beginning middle and end of the back story, they are three separate parts of one incredibly long story, just taken from the start, the middle and the end. If lucas were to make three movies that do not leave any questions unanswered and explain everything, i think we would still be waiting for ep I to come out. i have never seen a movie that is fully complete, and probably never will. you'll now have to wait for the planned 100 episode tv series that starts production next spring to answer any of your questions, or you could just give lucas a call and ask him.

by the way i heard that he released two different versions of ep III, one for normal cinemas and one for cinemas with digital projection, which included additional scenes of yoda seeking refuge on degoba, mace windu speaking to yoda about arresting the chansellor and a couple more that i can't remember.

[monkeyman]

by the way i heard that he released two different versions of ep III, one for normal cinemas and one for cinemas with digital projection, which included additional scenes of yoda seeking refuge on degoba, mace windu speaking to yoda about arresting the chansellor and a couple more that i can't remember.

not true.

doesn't mean they won't be on the DVD though.

[Nitro1515]

Did anyone else think it was really cool how when Obi-Wan and Anakin are fighting and Anakin yells about how from his point of view the Jedi are evil. I thought that was great how it tied into ROTJ when Obi-Wan is talking about how greatly things depend on our own points of view.

[drumdude05]

not true.

doesn't mean they won't be on the DVD though.

I also heard that they did that.

[monkeyman]

I also heard that they did that.

I'm not saying I didn't hear that, but it turned out not to be true.

[drumdude05]

I'm not saying I didn't hear that, but it turned out not to be true.

Alright, just making sure, because I know some people who were planning on going to a digital theatre to see it.

[dmbnj79]

totally agree with everything you just said there dm40band. Why would someone continually watch a movie that they don't like? maybe it's because secretly they do like it but they are trying to convince themselves that it is rubbish because they are meant to believe it's rubbish.
A friend of my boyfriend has a copy and gave it to him. We're trying to catch little things (Mon Mothma IS in it, you just can't see her all too well), and we do like the Obi-Wan/Anakin lightsaber duel at the end.

Plus, everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I don't like Episode III, I don't like the Special Editions. Sue me. I'm allowed not to like something George Lucas puts out.

[flyer3468]

A friend of my boyfriend has a copy and gave it to him. We're trying to catch little things (Mon Mothma IS in it, you just can't see her all too well), and we do like the Obi-Wan/Anakin lightsaber duel at the end.

Plus, everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I don't like Episode III, I don't like the Special Editions. Sue me. I'm allowed not to like something George Lucas puts out.


My friend just got a copy on DVD and he's lending it to me this weekend so I can make copies of it. He said when he watched it the on the disc he could see Mon Mothma and in the beginning battle you can make out the Millenium Falcon in the background. I haven't seen it yet, but I'll check it out tomorrow to see if I can give more details on where you see it.

EDIT: Han did shoot first too.

[dmbnj79]

Yes, you see the Millennium Falcon right when they go back to Coruscant after they rescue Palpatine. Mon Mothma is in the same scene.

My boyfriend has this shirt:
http://www.wildyams.com/blog/archives/hanshotfirst.jpg

[JimiThang1]

http://www.starwars.com/episode-iii/bts/production/f20050526/img/pg1_falcon_bg.jpg

There is a pic of the scene with falcon at the very bottom.

[dmbnj79]

Yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah. I love the Falcon.

Fastest ship in the Galaxy ;)

[flyer3468]

Your avatar almost looks more like Willam Dafoe than it does Harrison Ford.

[dmbnj79]

If you look at it quick. I was going to use one of Han in Carbonite. :lol

[cbsauder]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=309&item=6399188649&rd=1
^^ laserdisk set goin on ebay. anyone have a player?

[GrandMoffTarkin]

I have the original versions on DVD that I got from a convention last year. I wish I had a laserdisc player cause those look pretty sweet.

[flyer3468]

I have the original versions on DVD that I got from a convention last year. I wish I had a laserdisc player cause those look pretty sweet.

:thumbsup Great Username and Avatar

[jayjay80]

not true.

doesn't mean they won't be on the DVD though.

I was only saying what i read in a magasine, you're right, will prob be on the dvd.

[Rob]

I have a laserdisc player... Too bad flipping discs is freaking retarded.

[jayjay80]

yeah but you get the originals, so it takes 30 seconds to flip, it's a small price to pay!

[GrandMoffTarkin]

:thumbsup Great Username and Avatar

:thumbsupI could say the same thing to you. Flyer's fan and a fan of Ackbar.

[Rob]

Here's my take...

I understand why people get bent out of shape. I really do- there's an argument against tinkering with "perfection" or "art." I can agree with that, to a point.

What does an author do when a book is re-released as a second edition? The author often makes corrections, small changes, etc. The story isn't changed, the characters and their intentions aren't changed, but the story is, in the author's eyes, strengthened.

Lucas (who I think is a prick, btw) did not change the story. He didn't change his message. He made edits he wanted based on years of reflection. I can't understand why people get so worked up about things like the firing order in the bar. Han's character doesn't change. Arguments can be made either way about which order is "truer" to Han's persona.

If Lucas had gone back and lost Luke's whiney nature in the first movie (which I'm not sure I would have missed), that would be a major, story-altering change, and a wholly unnecessary one. Enhancing special effects, while contrived at times, doesn't alter the underlying brilliance of the films. Looking over the six movies, I firmly believe that the discrepencies in scale between the two triologies would have been a huge barrier to continuity (well, a barrier beyond the quality of the story and writing). You need to see Tatooine in a larger, grander way, as you do in Episode I. This helps tie things together in the back of your mind, rather than making them seem like two seperate planets.

I respect everybody's opinion on this, and I totally understand the beliefs and convictions of those who fight for the original, untouched movies. Personally, I'd rather fight against Lucas's crappy proprietery sound in favor of DTS, which is totally unnecessary and self-limiting. Then again, I'm a complete audiophile, so that's of no surprise.

Thanks for listening.

[mulestalker]

I have no problem with the updated CGI and most of the updated scenes, but honestly, What was Lucas thinking by having Greedo shoot first. It has no affect on the story, it just makes the movie look worse by having Han's head digitaly shift over while the rest of his body stays the same. It looks like he changed a perfectly good scene into a scene that a fourth grader made with the cheapest video editing software around.

[GrandMoffTarkin]

I don't like the newer versions, but I respect Lucas for constantly trying to fix his mistakes and never settle. I agree with mulestalker when I say, the Greedo scene was pointless to change. It just makes it look crap film-making.

[dmbnj79]

I don't like the newer versions, but I respect Lucas for constantly trying to fix his mistakes and never settle. I agree with mulestalker when I say, the Greedo scene was pointless to change. It just makes it look crap film-making.
There was no point in Greedo shooting first.

I'm biased because I still have a huge crush on Han Solo. :lol

[UNLTrpt]

finally saw the flick this weekend and I was very pleased. For an average fan it seemed to tie all the loose ends together. Can't wait till it comes out on DVD but that probably won't be for another year.

[Number27]

I like what Scott Kurtz had to say about the prequels.

http://pvponline.com/archive/2005/pvp20050528.gif

[JimiThang1]

Can't wait till it comes out on DVD but that probably won't be for another year.
Actually November...

[flyer3468]

Lucas hints at a possible "Knights of the Old Republic" movie, a prequel to Episode 1.

http://www.theforce.net/topstory/story/Lucas_Talks_PreEpsiode_I_Movie_92964.asp

[Number27]

Ep. 3 "Easter Eggs"

http://www.starwars.com/episode-iii/bts/production/f20050526/index.html

[JimiThang1]

Interesting...he could take a lot from the expanded universe...shouldn't be much writing involved.

[cbsauder]

Lucas hints at a possible "Knights of the Old Republic" movie, a prequel to Episode 1.

http://www.theforce.net/topstory/story/Lucas_Talks_PreEpsiode_I_Movie_92964.asp
thats definitely a pd. of star wars history that im really interested in; like yoda 100s of years before ep. 1 and things like that. yea that would be cool.

[Number27]

Let someone else write the script Lucas, since obviously you can't.

[SevenMinarets]

Slightly off topic...but for any of you RTS gamers (Real-Time Strategy) this games looks like it's going to be sweet.

http://www.gamespot.com/pc/strategy/starwarsrts/index.html

P.S. Star Wars: Episode III the game for Ps2 and XBox sucks ass.

[JimiThang1]

Yea that game is going to kick major ass when it comes out.

[SevenMinarets]

Yea that game is going to kick major ass when it comes out.
:thumbsup

[dmbnj79]

Let someone else write the script Lucas, since obviously you can't.
:thumbsup

For you KOTOR fans, who would you cast to play:

Bastila Shan
Canderous Ordo
Carth Onasi
Jolee Bindo
Juhani
Darth Malak

Since Sam Jackson already is Mace Windu, I'd pick Morgan Freeman to play Jolee. I wonder if they'd even touch on The Sith Lords game.

[bense27]

I love this movie...i saw it twice in one day.

[zigbaldi]

is darth malak darth sidious's master, the one who he was talking about in the movie?

[JimiThang1]

is darth malak darth sidious's master, the one who he was talking about in the movie?
We don't know...Lucas said he left that up to the audiences interpretation.

[drumdude05]

is darth malak darth sidious's master, the one who he was talking about in the movie?

No Darth Malak is the name for one of the Sith Lords in "Knights of the Old Republic" for Xbox. Which was 4,000 years before Darth Vaders time.

[werkinsnake]

We don't know...Lucas said he left that up to the audiences interpretation.
If you read the history of the Sith from Supershadow.com, I think that Plagues was Sidious's master. You guys could knock that site all you want, but they were the only site to have the episode III script before the movie was out. I actually suggest reading the script as it has some very vital scenes I wish they wouldn't have cut out.

[werkinsnake]

Unnoticed to the Jedi, one Sith succeeded another on Coruscant, eventually leading up to Darth Frordon of Dresdane. On Dresdane, Frordon set up a duel between his apprentice Baltimort and Baltimort’s potential replacement, Plagueis. Baltimort and Imperius were each Baraosi, both from the planet Bothiwite, also known as Tindell 5, the fifth planet of the Tindell Star System. Since Plagueis had a collection of kyber crystals, but was less experienced than Baltimort, Plagueis and Baltimort teamed up against Frordon. Baltimort became Plagueis’ master, until Imperius slew Baltimort by an ever-growing collection of kyber crystals and heightened skill. Plagueis slew Baltimort by means of a Force earthquake. After this, Plagueis apprenticed a young boy from Naboo, Dantius Palpatine and dubbed him Darth Sidious. Plagueis had several kyber crystals and eventually gave Palpatine one of these kyber crystals. The kyber crystals were forged by the Rodar Wizards of Perdonis and scattered throughout the Galaxy, about 100,000 years before the events of The Phantom Menace. Unbeknownst to Plagueis, Palpatine had found a far more potent kyber crystal than anything Imperius had. Palpatine located it on the planet Moovis, which he purchased from Ushkar Madcra, a bounty hunter who sold it as junk. This potent kyber crystal made Palpatine too powerful for his master to control. On the planet Skaggis, Palpatine killed Plagueis in his sleep when Plagueis was 52 years old. .
Also answers any questions you may have had during ROTS. The Empereor was Pagueis's apprentice.

...and one week til Dave comes to Burgettstown :bounce

[drumdude05]

Is it just me, or does anyone else think that since the Prequels were made, Luke's roles in the movie are smaller and less meaningful. I always liked watching the movies and thinking, Luke Skywalker "Hero". Or "Restorer of the Force". Now he's just, there, a part of the bigger Anakin story.

[benjiwang12]

Yoda says "100 posts this young korean wishes to have"

[bense27]

I almost have 1000!

Star Wars rules...

How many times have people seen it? I saw it twice in one day!

[flyer3468]

271 million and counting

[Tomriddle]

Saw it for the 3rd time 2day, and loved it.


Quick question: does anyone know if the whole Kamnio--files, Sifo-Dyas thing was ever resolved?

[bdfresh62]

Just saw it today for my second time. I really enjoyed this movie. I know alot of people knock the prequels for their bad acting, badly written dialogue, but the original trilogy had the same.

[dreamingtree15]

Is it just me, or does anyone else think that since the Prequels were made, Luke's roles in the movie are smaller and less meaningful. I always liked watching the movies and thinking, Luke Skywalker "Hero". Or "Restorer of the Force". Now he's just, there, a part of the bigger Anakin story.

That's because Luke isn't supposed to be the main story. The Star Wars movies are all about Anakin and his path from innocent little boy to Lord of Evil. Luke is merely a supporting character , Anakin's son, that turns his father away from the Dark Side in Episode VI.

[GrandMoffTarkin]

Saw it for the 3rd time 2day, and loved it.


Quick question: does anyone know if the whole Kamnio--files, Sifo-Dyas thing was ever resolved?

No, Lucas forgot about both of them alltogether. They are in my opinion the only loose ends that were never tied up, but I'm sure somthing in the EU will explain them in the future, just to save Lucas's ass.

[JimiThang1]

Here's the story of Sifo Dias, alot of this is expanded universe stuff :

Sifo-Dyas was a real Jedi Master who ten years prior to the events of AOTC ordered in secret, a clone army from the Kaminoans. That's first off, now here's the full story:

Even before the events of TPM, Sifo-Dyas knew the power of the dark side was increasing and the jedi's ability to use the force was diminishing, and while he voiced his strong opinions to Masters Yoda and Windu, they still were too conservative to do anything about it. Dooku, who was a Jedi at the time, confided in Yoda about similar feelings that the dark side grew with every passing moment, but again, Yoda could only stand by the Republic and be guided by its principles, which Dooku had grown weary of (along with others like Qui-Gon Jinn).

Finally, Dooku became fed up with the ineffectiveness of the Republic as a functioning body after the death of Qui-Gon and the Senate's inability to confront the Sith, so he left the order. Meanwhile, Sifo-Dyas made a pre-emptive move and ordered an army to confront the dark side when the time came. Not even the council knew of the order.

Dooku meanwhile had thought of the idea to seek out the Sith and kill him, to restore order and balance to the galaxy, but to his surprise, Sidious sought him out. Instead of a fight to the death, the two spoke about their visions of a galaxy brought under control, and realized that they were very similar. Dooku thus accepted to be the apprentice of Sidious and learn the ways of the Sith. Sidious informed Dooku of the clone army Sifo-Dyas had ordered and that the Jedi could not be made aware of it until Sidious had decided it was time for them to know, he thus ordered Dooku to kill Sifo-Dyas and erase all history of Kamino and any contact the Jedi master had had with the cloners. With his mission completed, Dooku was knighted Darth Tyranus, and his next mission was to find a specimen for the clone army. He sought out the expert bounty hunter on Bogg 4 and delivered him to Kamino to complete the order that Sifo-Dyas had placed.

10 years later, the events of AOTC play out with Sidious carefully putting in motion a plot for the Jedi to discover the army, use it against a separatist force which Dooku had united, and launch the galaxy into a vicious war which would inevitably lend great power to the executive of the Republic, who's leader was playing both sides.

Enter, Revenge of the Sith.

How does Sidious know of the clone army?

Sidious is born with the power to see the future in ways no force user ever has. He is the Sith prophecy, the one who will destroy the Jedi and ensure the rise of the sith.

He is the 'chosen one' so to speak of the Sith order.

The fact that Anakin, the jedi prophecy destroys the sith once and for all, illustrates that the light side IS stronger overall than the dark side of the force.

[Dr. Strangelove]

Nice little summary there. Thanks for the post!

[dmbnj79]

is darth malak darth sidious's master, the one who he was talking about in the movie?

No, Malak was a Sith Lord from the Knights of the Old Republic game. This all takes place thousands of years before Palpatine existed. Kashyyyk and Tatooine are in the game, though.

[bdfresh62]

Here's the story of Sifo Dias, alot of this is expanded universe stuff :

Sifo-Dyas was a real Jedi Master who ten years prior to the events of AOTC ordered in secret, a clone army from the Kaminoans. That's first off, now here's the full story:

Even before the events of TPM, Sifo-Dyas knew the power of the dark side was increasing and the jedi's ability to use the force was diminishing, and while he voiced his strong opinions to Masters Yoda and Windu, they still were too conservative to do anything about it. Dooku, who was a Jedi at the time, confided in Yoda about similar feelings that the dark side grew with every passing moment, but again, Yoda could only stand by the Republic and be guided by its principles, which Dooku had grown weary of (along with others like Qui-Gon Jinn).

Finally, Dooku became fed up with the ineffectiveness of the Republic as a functioning body after the death of Qui-Gon and the Senate's inability to confront the Sith, so he left the order. Meanwhile, Sifo-Dyas made a pre-emptive move and ordered an army to confront the dark side when the time came. Not even the council knew of the order.

Dooku meanwhile had thought of the idea to seek out the Sith and kill him, to restore order and balance to the galaxy, but to his surprise, Sidious sought him out. Instead of a fight to the death, the two spoke about their visions of a galaxy brought under control, and realized that they were very similar. Dooku thus accepted to be the apprentice of Sidious and learn the ways of the Sith. Sidious informed Dooku of the clone army Sifo-Dyas had ordered and that the Jedi could not be made aware of it until Sidious had decided it was time for them to know, he thus ordered Dooku to kill Sifo-Dyas and erase all history of Kamino and any contact the Jedi master had had with the cloners. With his mission completed, Dooku was knighted Darth Tyranus, and his next mission was to find a specimen for the clone army. He sought out the expert bounty hunter on Bogg 4 and delivered him to Kamino to complete the order that Sifo-Dyas had placed.

10 years later, the events of AOTC play out with Sidious carefully putting in motion a plot for the Jedi to discover the army, use it against a separatist force which Dooku had united, and launch the galaxy into a vicious war which would inevitably lend great power to the executive of the Republic, who's leader was playing both sides.

Enter, Revenge of the Sith.

How does Sidious know of the clone army?

Sidious is born with the power to see the future in ways no force user ever has. He is the Sith prophecy, the one who will destroy the Jedi and ensure the rise of the sith.

He is the 'chosen one' so to speak of the Sith order.

The fact that Anakin, the jedi prophecy destroys the sith once and for all, illustrates that the light side IS stronger overall than the dark side of the force.

Nice summary. So does all of that happend immediately after The Phantom Mennace? Is 10 years the exact time between Phantom Menace and AOTC?

[JimiThang1]

Nice summary. So does all of that happend immediately after The Phantom Mennace? Is 10 years the exact time between Phantom Menace and AOTC?
Correct right after TPM...10 years b/w PM and AOTC.

[killymagee2000]

Storm Troopers and Vader going for a night on the town:

http://funnypictures.dk/funny-picture-530.htm

[drumdude05]

That's because Luke isn't supposed to be the main story. The Star Wars movies are all about Anakin and his path from innocent little boy to Lord of Evil. Luke is merely a supporting character , Anakin's son, that turns his father away from the Dark Side in Episode VI.

But when you saw the OT for the first time, before the PT was made, you felt like Luke was the main character didnt you? You wanted him to destroy Vader. I love the fact that there is a PT, but now that it's made it just makes me feel like Lucas abandoned Luke, and pretty much made him insignificant.

[greppson]

That's because Luke isn't supposed to be the main story. The Star Wars movies are all about Anakin and his path from innocent little boy to Lord of Evil. Luke is merely a supporting character , Anakin's son, that turns his father away from the Dark Side in Episode VI.

but a lot of people also think that the prophecy was misread and that LUKE is the one that the prophecy speaks of.

and if anakin hadn't been found or brought into training, none of this ever would have happened.

[Dancing Ants]

but a lot of people also think that the prophecy was misread and that LUKE is the one that the prophecy speaks of.

and if anakin hadn't been found or brought into training, none of this ever would have happened.


they're wrong. lucas has stated MANY times in the last year or so that it is Anakin's story, and that he is the Chosen One.

[bustedstuff77]

they're wrong. lucas has stated MANY times in the last year or so that it is Anakin's story, and that he is the Chosen One.
Actually the whole story is nine episodes long and Luke turns to the dark side in episode 7 and his sister Leah is really the chosen one who defeats Luke in episode 9.

[Dancing Ants]

Actually the whole story is nine episodes long and Luke turns to the dark side in episode 7 and his sister Leah is really the chosen one who defeats Luke in episode 9.

yeah cause that was written. :rolleyes :rolleyes

lucas has also stated there is no set story for 7-9.

[bdfresh62]

Actually the whole story is nine episodes long and Luke turns to the dark side in episode 7 and his sister Leah is really the chosen one who defeats Luke in episode 9.

Why the freak would Luke turn to the dark side in episode 7? The Sith Lords have all been defeated. Who is going to turn him? I really think if Luke was going to turn to the darkside you would have seen it in ROTJ.

[dmbnj79]

yeah cause that was written. :rolleyes :rolleyes

lucas has also stated there is no set story for 7-9.

Coop's right.

Lucas NEVER wrote 7-9. No one did. Right now, there are Expanded Universe stories. In one of them Leia turned to the Dark Side. That would be in A New Hope Infinities (which is a trade paperback). These Expanded Universe stories aren't Lucas's ideas, they are the authors of these stories. Should Lucas (god, I hope not) decide to put any of these on film, he's got a plethora to choose from.

[Rob]

I can't imagine Leia turning to the dark side... Was is a permanent switch?

[Rob]

To clarify, I just can't imagine it. That's not to say I don't believe somebody wrote it.

[dmbnj79]

http://www.theforce.net/books/hot_topics.asp

scroll down, there's a faq about luke going to the dark side.

also: http://www.theforce.net/timeline/sequel.asp

if anyone wants my recommendation, I love the X-Wing Rogue Squadron trade paperbacks. My favorite character is Ysanne Isard. She's a bad bitch.

[Dancing Ants]

http://www.theforce.net/books/hot_topics.asp

scroll down, there's a faq about luke going to the dark side.

also: http://www.theforce.net/timeline/sequel.asp

if anyone wants my recommendation, I love the X-Wing Rogue Squadron trade paperbacks. My favorite character is Ysanne Isard. She's a bad bitch.

Isard is probably one of my least fave characters. Thrawn would own her. I like Corran Horn. He's a sweet ass jedi.

[bustedstuff77]

http://www.theforce.net/books/hot_topics.asp

scroll down, there's a faq about luke going to the dark side.

also: http://www.theforce.net/timeline/sequel.asp

if anyone wants my recommendation, I love the X-Wing Rogue Squadron trade paperbacks. My favorite character is Ysanne Isard. She's a bad bitch.
I thoght I read that somewhere, thanks for the info

[dmbnj79]

Isard is probably one of my least fave characters. Thrawn would own her. I like Corran Horn. He's a sweet ass jedi.
-1 ;)

just kidding.

[flyer3468]

I have no problem with Isard, but I have to agree with Dancing Ants in that Corran is much much cooler.

[GrandMoffTarkin]

I liked Corran in the beginning, in things like the earlier X-Wing books and the New Jedi Order books. But he is just so overused. Somebody needs to come up with a new character instead of just making every book about him. If they keep using Corran, it will eventually overlap stories and take away the continuity of the entire EU.

[dmbnj79]

I'm kinda partial to Baron Fel, seeing how he marries Wedge's sister, Isard tries to get in his pants, etc. I love the TIE Pilots anyway ;)

I also have an Isard costume. I'm a geek :lol

[drumdude05]

I tried reading Rouge Squadron but I just couldnt get into it like I could with Shadows or Truce at Bakura. Strange hmm???

[_Scout_]

I finally saw episode III tonight and w/ a few minor exceptions I think Lucas actually nailed this movie. Maybe I was just in a good mood, since I saw DMB last night, but I thought the movie was really well done!

[bdfresh62]

I finally saw episode III tonight and w/ a few minor exceptions I think Lucas actually nailed this movie. Maybe I was just in a good mood, since I saw DMB last night, but I thought the movie was really well done!


Wow. Good 2 days for you.

[DMBmem87]

i thought the special effects were great, better than i had expected. but we were all laughing at the sickening amount of drama- some say it was necessary but i thought the sub plots reeked too much of a midday soap opera...

[JimiThang1]

I tried reading Rouge Squadron
The games on the other hand kick ass

[Nitro1515]

The games on the other hand kick ass
:thumbsup

[_Scout_]

i thought the special effects were great, better than i had expected. but we were all laughing at the sickening amount of drama- some say it was necessary but i thought the sub plots reeked too much of a midday soap opera...


It was very melodramatic. But if you watch the film with the mind set that Lucas is drawing on inspirations from the old Flash Gordon Serials, the melo-drama becomes acceptable. Of course, I'm a girl so I go in for the mushy stuff a little more. I cringed all the way through I and II because the acting was so bad. But for this film I went into it expecting 1930's style melodramtic dialouge and acting and I can't tell you how much it increased my enjoyment of the movie. I'm going back next week for a second viewing. My only criticism is that they did not eleborate more on Obi Wan's communing with Qui Gon.

[JimiThang1]

http://www.i-mockery.com/minimocks/darth-tragedy/

Pretty funny story...

[flyer3468]

I love the reaction on the fish guy's face :lol

[dm40band]

13th page, but anyways what is the name of the book for episode 7???

[GrandMoffTarkin]

Heir to the Empire, but again, it's not official Episode 7. There is no official stories other than the movies.

[JimiThang1]

Anyone catch the AFI Lifetime Achievement award to George? It was a really good special I thought. Is there ever a time when Carrie Fisher isn't drunk?

[dmbnj79]

I did.

Carrie Fisher is normally strung out, too.

[Dr. Strangelove]

Kind of funny video I came across. It's nothing horrid, but don't watch it at work. ;)

The looks on their faces are perfect.

http://www.jokaroo.com/funnyvideos/starwarsporno.html

[Herrminator]

Kind of funny video I came across. It's nothing horrid, but don't watch it at work. ;)

The looks on their faces are perfect.

http://www.jokaroo.com/funnyvideos/starwarsporno.html


That was excellent. I just don't think Mark Hamil would have been looking at that hologram...OH I SAID THAT!!! :lol

[cbsauder]

Kind of funny video I came across. It's nothing horrid, but don't watch it at work. ;)

The looks on their faces are perfect.

http://www.jokaroo.com/funnyvideos/starwarsporno.html
yea that was funny. :lol

[dm40band]

since Episode 7 is called Heir to the Empire, what is Episode 8 and 9 called???

[cyberhound]

since Episode 7 is called Heir to the Empire, what is Episode 8 and 9 called???

There is no real indication that it is called Heir to the Empire or that there will be an episode 7. Heir to the Empire is the title of a Star Wars book.

[dmbnj79]

Heir to the Empire is a very good book too. Episode 7, 8 & 9, if they are created, do not have titles.

[dm40band]

ok people what are the other books names???

[Dancing Ants]

Dark Force Rising and The Last Command, I think. there are more that take place after that.

again...these are NOT Ep 7-8-9...they're just the first three Star Wars novels printed after the release of Return of the Jedi.

[Beefsteak1138]

Since I finally saw the movie, here's my review:

Best. movie. of. the. year.

[Beefsteak1138]

RotS and Battlefront II both to be released on Nov. 1.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20050726/film_nm/starwars_dc_1

:thumbsup

[skywalker_009]

why the hell is this in the chat thread section

[MistreatedLewis]

This movie totally sucked.

When Darth Vader yells out "noooooooooo" I couldn't stop laughing.

[Beefsteak1138]

This movie totally sucked.

When Darth Vader yells out "noooooooooo" I couldn't stop laughing.
Vader yelling sucked. The movie rocked.

[Beefsteak1138]

DVD Easter egg (YodaDancingContent):

http://www.leenks.com/link26692.htm

[flyer3468]

DVD Easter egg (YodaDancingContent):

http://www.leenks.com/link26692.htm

It's nice to see Yoda is a fan of The Roots

[Beefsteak1138]

It's nice to see Yoda is a fan of The Roots
I think he has a little brotha' in him.

[werkinsnake]

^ word

[Beefsteak1138]

^ word
Luke, I'm Padme's baby's daddy, you dig.

[Beefsteak1138]

Ok, so who's buying the DVD today? I ordered mine from Wal-mart so I get the bonus disc. Hopefully it'll be waiting at my door when I get home.

I also went to Best Buy today and bought Battlefront II, and the special editions of Mallrats, and Office Space.

[JimiThang1]

Yup going by and picking it up after work today. Looks like 14.99 is the price point set everywhere.

[Beefsteak1138]

Yup going by and picking it up after work today. Looks like 14.99 is the price point set everywhere.
Pretty much everyone I saw at Best Buy was there to buy it. It was kinda funny.

[JimiThang1]

Pretty much everyone I saw at Best Buy was there to buy it. It was kinda funny.
cough...dorks...cough

[dh4645]

Ok, so who's buying the DVD today? I ordered mine from Wal-mart so I get the bonus disc. Hopefully it'll be waiting at my door when I get home.

I also went to Best Buy today and bought Battlefront II, and the special editions of Mallrats, and Office Space.

not me...i dont know if i have even seen a star wars movie all the way through. which is weird because i love sci-fi and space fiction. just never got into the movies. i will probably end up getting battlefront II though. the first was very sweet and this one looks a lot better.

[gbs3769]

I'm going to pick up Battlefront II as soon as the rest of my crew does. We all have the original.

- Primo

[Dancing Ants]

bought BF2 today...looks like a lot of fun.

[JimiThang1]

I really wish I could play first person shooters...BF2 looks cool...but alas I get motion sickness playing them. :shrug

[dh4645]

I really wish I could play first person shooters...BF2 looks cool...but alas I get motion sickness playing them. :shrug

that sucks. (FYI - battlefront was either 1st or 3rd person)
they are sooo much fun.

i have played many, but my favorites have been (on the PC):
half-life 1 & 2
battlefront
painkiller
call of duty
no one lives forever 2

[gbs3769]

Halo 2. Best FPS ever.

- Primo

[JimiThang1]

Did it come with an offer to get a box for eps 1-3?

[Beefsteak1138]

Please, I need help. What should I do first:

Watch ROTS
Watch the Special Features
Play Battlefront II

?

[JimiThang1]

Battlefront, then special features, then movie.

[Beefsteak1138]

Battlefront, then special features, then movie.
:thumbsup :thumbsup

Thats exactly what I did.....Battlefront II, deleted scenes, then movie.

[dh4645]

Halo 2. Best FPS ever.

- Primo

i agree it was good (i played all the way through with my fiances brother)...i wouldnt say the best ever...and i was only talking about on the PC.

[Bartender84]

I'm buying the DVD tomorrow, and then I'm gonna sit down on Saturday and watch all 6 of them back to back. I've been waiting so long to do this

[Beefsteak1138]

I'm buying the DVD tomorrow, and then I'm gonna sit down on Saturday and watch all 6 of them back to back. I've been waiting so long to do this
Ditto.

[/NerdContent]

[John II]

Halo 2. Best FPS ever.

- Primo

get a clue and playing some fps on pc.

[Bartender84]

get a clue and playing some fps on pc.
:rolleyes

And I don't have a favorite. Too many great ones too choose from

[Raven 21]

Halo 2. Best FPS ever.

- Primo

Halo 2 for XBL is the shit.

[JimiThang1]

That Star Wars: Empire at War game looks like it will be very cool.

[gbs3769]

So my friends had already picked up Battlefront II which means that I have to get it this week. Maybe tomorrow after work or something. It's pretty good, but it doesn't look that great on the projector.

- Primo

[gbs3769]

Halo 2 for XBL is the shit.
That's all we play.

- Primo

[dh4645]

So my friends had already picked up Battlefront II which means that I have to get it this week. Maybe tomorrow after work or something. It's pretty good, but it doesn't look that great on the projector.

- Primo


kick some ass sea bass

[jfolden]

I was just watching Episode III special features and Lucas was talking about how the movies are supposed to be one story and it got me thinking. Would Ep IV-VI maybe lost some moments and not been as good if Ep I-III were first. I mean you'd lose the whole revelation that Vader is Luke's father in Empire which was pretty shocking back when I was 5. Plus we'd already know Leah is Luke's sister and some other things. I almost feel like a person seeing these movies for the first time should watch them as they were released IV-VI then I-III instead of in order. But some day, I think I may try th whole I-VI viewing in a day.

[flyer3468]

I was just watching Episode III special features and Lucas was talking about how the movies are supposed to be one story and it got me thinking. Would Ep IV-VI maybe lost some moments and not been as good if Ep I-III were first. I mean you'd lose the whole revelation that Vader is Luke's father in Empire which was pretty shocking back when I was 5. Plus we'd already know Leah is Luke's sister and some other things. I almost feel like a person seeing these movies for the first time should watch them as they were released IV-VI then I-III instead of in order. But some day, I think I may try th whole I-VI viewing in a day.

What I think the trilogy did, is make the fights so much better that they seem to be a joke later on. Watch the Anakin vs. Kenobi battle in III and then watch it in IV. Maybe you can justify it by saying that they got older and slower, but come on, that much.

But if I were to have anybody watching the movies for the first time, I'd show them in order of how they were released.

[junior94]

I missed this in the theatre but bought the DVD and just watched it yesterday. Forgive me if this has been mentioned before, I'm just not gonna go backread over 1000 posts :D

But I'd noticed one publication (thought it was the NY Times) that said this was better than the original Star Wars (presumably meaning just ep IV) and I read that before watching the film. Holy moly... the dialogue was so wretchedly awful thru the first 25 minutes or so I literally was wondering if one of the characters were going to wake up and reveal that everything had just been a dream up until that point :ugh I mean I know eps I & II had their faults and no shortage of critics pointing them out, certainly with character and dialogue, but I'd thought I remembered poeple not coming down as hard as this 3rd one, but my oh my, that stretch was even worse than the previous 2 films I thought. Overall though, better than PM and AOTC.

Although the once scene where Palpatine informs Annakin that he wants him to be his personal representative on the Counsel, there's a pause, and Hayden Christensen says "I'm overwhelmed", and he says it SO flatly and with NO inflection or emotion I just about cracked up laughing :D

[JimiThang1]

ALL Star Wars films have terrible dialogue, people just can't get past the fact that eps 4-6 have the same type of writing. I guess it's one of those childhood things where when you were a kid you grew up on these amazing movies but in the end they are terribly written. Harrison Ford said it best "You can write this shit, George, but you can't say it."

That said Episode 3 was for the most part well recieved by critics mainly because it tied things up nicely. And I agree with a couple of critics who have said that it is even better than Return of the Jedi (sorry I just can't stand the Ewoks).

[Bartender84]

I'll say it, I like Episode III more than Episode IV. Empire is the best though, obviously

[Beefsteak1138]

I'll say it, I like Episode III more than Episode IV. Empire is the best though, obviously
Same here....I think if I had to put them in order it would look like this:

ESB
ROTS
New Hope
Return of the Jedi
Clones
Phantom Menace

[gbs3769]

So Battlefront II is amazing. I ended up getting it on Friday afternoon while Kristen was sleeping and I was running out anyways to grab my laptop from Dan and Alex's. I'm going through the Rise of the Empire right now. I am on the Tantive IV. This level is pissing me off. But I am ridiculous as Vader. Anyways, I love this game.

- Primo

[dh4645]

So Battlefront II is amazing. I ended up getting it on Friday afternoon while Kristen was sleeping and I was running out anyways to grab my laptop from Dan and Alex's. I'm going through the Rise of the Empire right now. I am on the Tantive IV. This level is pissing me off. But I am ridiculous as Vader. Anyways, I love this game.

- Primo

cool, i can't wait to play...i have too many games going on at once so i gotta finish at least one or two before i install BF2.
I am playing:
PS2 - Burnout Revenge, We Love Katamari and Psychonauts
PC - Evil Genius, Prince of Persia 2, Suffering #1

[MistreatedLewis]

I'll say it, I like Episode III more than Episode IV. Empire is the best though, obviously

I'll say it... Episode I and III are equally garbage, and II is only slightly better because of the kick ass Yoda fight shocker.

[Beefsteak1138]

I'll say it... Episode I and III are equally garbage, and II is only slightly better because of the kick ass Yoda fight shocker.
To each his own, but I definitely disagree. I think I is a piece of dung, II is tolerable, but III is great.

[JimiThang1]

To each his own, but I definitely disagree. I think I is a piece of dung, II is tolerable, but III is great.
Agreed...the only saving grace of II was the fight at the end and that fight was only done so that they could see if they could do it for III. The Yoda fights in III are 10x better.

[Beefsteak1138]

Agreed...the only saving grace of II was the fight at the end and that fight was only done so that they could see if they could do it for III. The Yoda fights in III are 10x better.
Word. :thumbsup

[Bartender84]

I actually enjoy Episode II alot also, I know that's an unpopular opinion. The only one I really don't like is 1

[Beefsteak1138]

Lucas is such as rich bastard.

'Star Wars' DVD, game rake in $210 million

http://movies.yahoo.com/mv/news/va/20051108/113149615500.html

The new "Star Wars" DVD and video game grossed an estimated $210 million worldwide consumer spending their first week in stores, 20th Century Fox Home Entertainment reported Tuesday.

"Star Wars: Episode III -- Revenge of the Sith," the sixth and final "Star Wars" film to appear on DVD, was released November 1 in the U.S., Canada, the U.K., Germany, Australia and Latin America, as was the video game "Star Wars Battlefront II."

Fox provided no breakdown between the DVD and the video game, nor did it issue unit sales. Jim Ward, senior vp of Lucasfilm Ltd. and president of LucasArts, said sales in many territories "were nearly double what we initially expected," and that first-week sales of the video game are running 40% ahead of last year's original "Star Wars Battlefront" game.

[dh4645]

Lucas is such as rich bastard.

'Star Wars' DVD, game rake in $210 million

http://movies.yahoo.com/mv/news/va/20051108/113149615500.html

thats impressive

[baloneybandit21]

Holy moly... the dialogue was so wretchedly awful thru the first 25 minutes or so I literally was wondering if one of the characters were going to wake up and reveal that everything had just been a dream up until that point :ugh I mean I know eps I & II had their faults and no shortage of critics pointing them out, certainly with character and dialogue, but I'd thought I remembered poeple not coming down as hard as this 3rd one, but my oh my, that stretch was even worse than the previous 2 films I thought. Overall though, better than PM and AOTC.

seriously, the dialogue and subsequent horrible acting took me out of most of the movie. and i think that the last thirty minutes were pretty good but before that its really not that great. the end just leaves a good lasting taste in ur mouth so u dont remember how bitter the beginning was

[ur-a-dush]

natalie portman is hott is starwars 3

[Beefsteak1138]

Here's a quick snippet of a deleted scene if you haven't seen it already:

http://www.jugiter.com/Forcegoats2.gif

[Beefsteak1138]

New info about the upcoming animated and live-action series:

http://www.movieweb.com/tv/news/90/11090.php

[flyer3468]

So they're re-doing th Clone Wars in 3D?

That doesn't make much sense to me considering the Clone Wars kick ass as they are.

[JimiThang1]

I think they are just taking other stories from the Clone Wars era and not following Anakin and Obi-Wan like the cartoon did.

[Boondock Saint]

My feeling is Ep III was much better than Ep II or Ep I...Everyone got on Hayden Christiansen for his acting and I really did not think he was that bad at portraying a troubled and turmoiled person. Natalie Portman is, and always will be, terrible, she kept me from seeing Crash. I think when you put two people, who have never acted in front of green screans, and ask them to do things they are not used to doing, the result can be a mess.

Lucas was lost in the PT story, I felt he did not know where to go with the love story and had a hard time writing it, that is why he asked for help. The action in AoTC and RoTS was fantastic and will be the best of the PT and OT but the OT will always be my favorite. Mainly because it was what I grew up with and I will always hold it to a higher standard and I think some people will never be able to overcome the fact that the PT is the PT and not the OT.

[JimiThang1]

Portman wasn't in Crash...

[Boondock Saint]

Portman wasn't in Crash...

You are right...I misstyped...

Shit, sorry.

[junior94]

Lucas was lost in the PT story, I felt he did not know where to go with the love story and had a hard time writing it, that is why he asked for help. The action in AoTC and RoTS was fantastic and will be the best of the PT and OT but the OT will always be my favorite. Mainly because it was what I grew up with and I will always hold it to a higher standard and I think some people will never be able to overcome the fact that the PT is the PT and not the OT.

A huge mitigating factor here is that Lucas is a very bad writer of dialogue (just like Cameron is - they're both great idea men, great overall larger scope guys, but neither can write the nuts and bolts of an effective character scene (especially involving love) to save their lives), something that was not very obvious during the original trilogy since he wrote only the first one (and so much about that was establishing the overall landscape and history of the whole world of it, he didn't really have a chance to kill it with that kinda bad dialogue).

Also, I can't help but wonder if your opinion on the PT's action as being better than the OT's has anything to do with the monumentally large difference in visual effects capabilites from then to now.

[Boondock Saint]

Also, I can't help but wonder if your opinion on the PT's action as being better than the OT's has anything to do with the monumentally large difference in visual effects capabilites from then to now.

There would be no way to deny that fact

[bdfresh62]

Yeah I watched this again for the first time, since it came out on DVD (I saw it twice in the theaters). Anyways, I noticed that the acting was horrible in this movie. I never really noticed in the theater, because I was so drawn in. At times while watching on DVD it was so hard to not want to turn my head because the acting was so terrible. And I agree with whoever said that Lucas cannot write dialogue. He can't. It's very evident in the new trilogy.

[Beefsteak1138]

I remember an interview w/ Harrison Ford where he said something like, "You can write this stuff, but you can't say"....or something to that affect.

[saintjohnsriver]

iz this it for star wars?

[Beefsteak1138]

iz this it for star wars?
Nope. Animated TV series, Live Action TV series plus new video games.

[Wickedsmart7]

I hope there is a Knights of the Old Republic 3, first two were addictions