9/11 conspiracy?

[John18142]

hahaha, its about time some people start agreeing with me! :lol
:thumbsup

The one thing you've said that I agree with.

[HolyCow]

I honestly am baffled that some folks actually think there is some kind of conspiracy. I just watched a National Geographic special called "Inside 9/11" and it was fascinating.

It tracked the timeline of events that spawned the attacks, starting all the way back in 1991. Watch it. If you actually believe this bookey, you won't any longer after seeing all the info.

[mattd258]

Whatever you think is possible, watch professor Steven Jones's scientific experiments dealing with evidence people collected and donated to him from 9/11. Watch 9/11 Press For Truth. Open your mind and see that although there are many crackpot theories, most of them are often just wild speculation. There are unanswered questions, and the more one actually takes the time to research this subject the more one comes to doubt the official theory. Unfortunately we won't begin to discover the truth until these topics are allowed to be discussed in open terms and those asking the questions are allowed to express their positions without being written off as crazy or unpatriotic. Realize that what the corporate media has been pushing is totally biased and designed to instill fear upon us. Understand that the family members of the victims are the also ones raising questions and many believe at a bare minimum that there definitely has been a cover-up dealing with the inquiry into the days events.

"Of course the people don't want war. But after all, it's the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it's always a simple matter to drag the people along whether it's a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger."

-- Herman Goering at the Nuremberg trials

[dre2142]

I honestly am baffled that some folks actually think there is some kind of conspiracy. I just watched a National Geographic special called "Inside 9/11" and it was fascinating.

It tracked the timeline of events that spawned the attacks, starting all the way back in 1991. Watch it. If you actually believe this bookey, you won't any longer after seeing all the info.

It started in the late 70s, early 80s. They planned 10 years for the first WTC attacks.....and about another 10 for the 2001 attacks.

[dre2142]

In a "controlled burn" (where oxygen and fuel are regulated in an optimal mix), jet fuel will reach a maximum temperature of 1800 degrees Fahrenheit, which is still not anywhere near the temperature required to weaken the steel girders of a building to the point that the entire building plummeted to the ground.

Then please explain to me how the bridges in San Fran melted like butter and collapsed a few weeks ago if steel girders cant weaken to the point of collapse.

[Dads_obsessed]

Then please explain to me how the bridges in San Fran melted like butter and collapsed a few weeks ago if steel girders cant weaken to the point of collapse.

They steel on that overpass didn't melt, as was first reported.

[Lcsulla]

I think the 9-11 commission was a joke myself. They turned the cause of the intelligence failure into a political battle instead of dealing with fact. However, I never doubted the conclusions on who perpetrated the attacks.

[grdfreak]

I think anything is a possibility. Im not taking either side because no one will ever really know because there are UNANSWERED QUESTIONS. Is it a possibility there was a conspiracy in my eyes yes. Like said call me whatever name you want. There are simply unanswered questons, we don't know about. There was a motive and there are lies among lies. Believe what you want but I think alot of you don't want another explanation and thats fine. But if I'm on a plane and someone had a boxcutter and I know I'm gonna die I'm fighting. Technology is very advanced so don't keep your mind unadvanced. Thats all I'm gonna say. Say what you want but Im with Dads Obsessed on this one. There was a hole inthe pentagon that was too small for a plane of the named size and if it did skid it would have wiped out the cable rolls that were right in front of it.

[John18142]

yeah, I hear you man. Its true, there are lies, unanswered questions, and hidden information. But infortunately people fail to believe it.
I think anything is a possibility. Im not taking either side because no one will ever really know because there are UNANSWERED QUESTIONS. Is it a possibility there was a conspiracy in my eyes yes. Like said call me whatever name you want. There are simply unanswered questons, we don't know about. There was a motive and there are lies among lies. Believe what you want but I think alot of you don't want another explanation and thats fine. But if I'm on a plane and someone had a boxcutter and I know I'm gonna die I'm fighting. Technology is very advanced so don't keep your mind unadvanced. Thats all I'm gonna say. Say what you want but Im with Dads Obsessed on this one. There was a hole inthe pentagon that was too small for a plane of the named size and if it did skid it would have wiped out the cable rolls that were right in front of it.

[wischuck]

I think for the government to be responsible for destroying the WTC would have to involve the COMPLETE cooperation and silence of so many people that it would make such an orchestration impossible in our government. The sheer number of people (and not just "high-up" people) who would have to be in on such a plan is mind blowing if you try to think about it.

[colegibson]

I think anything is a possibility. Im not taking either side because no one will ever really know because there are UNANSWERED QUESTIONS. Is it a possibility there was a conspiracy in my eyes yes. Like said call me whatever name you want. There are simply unanswered questons, we don't know about. There was a motive and there are lies among lies. Believe what you want but I think alot of you don't want another explanation and thats fine. But if I'm on a plane and someone had a boxcutter and I know I'm gonna die I'm fighting. Technology is very advanced so don't keep your mind unadvanced. Thats all I'm gonna say. Say what you want but Im with Dads Obsessed on this one. There was a hole inthe pentagon that was too small for a plane of the named size and if it did skid it would have wiped out the cable rolls that were right in front of it.



But did you read the Popular Mechanics explanation of the hole in the Pentagon? It explains it pretty well.

[colegibson]

I think for the government to be responsible for destroying the WTC would have to involve the COMPLETE cooperation and silence of so many people that it would make such an orchestration impossible in our government. The sheer number of people (and not just "high-up" people) who would have to be in on such a plan is mind blowing if you try to think about it.


Exactly.


I don't think people ever consider that.

[Tiduwho]

There was a hole inthe pentagon that was too small for a plane of the named size and if it did skid it would have wiped out the cable rolls that were right in front of it.

So I'm curious, what do you propose made the hole then?

[Thegravedigger]

yeah, I hear you man. Its true, there are lies, unanswered questions, and hidden information. But infortunately people fail to believe it.

:thumbsup Yup.

[John18142]

whatever is in this crate under the tarp
http://www.rense.com/general70/Pentagontarp500.jpg
So I'm curious, what do you propose made the hole then?

[Tiduwho]

whatever is in this crate under the tarp
http://www.rense.com/general70/Pentagontarp500.jpg

:lol

[jharap]

it had to have been a conspiracy. There is no possible way that the impact of a jet liner and fire from it caused a steel frame building to collapse. There were obviously explosives inside.

whatever is in this crate under the tarp
http://www.rense.com/general70/Pentagontarp500.jpg

Oh my God he's serious :eek

[John18142]

nah, im just answering the question of "So I'm curious, what do you propose made the hole then?"
What is your take about it?
Oh my God he's serious :eek

[cbotnyse]

Please forgive me for not backreading the entire thread, but I've read the last couple of pages.

But please tell me what the government's motivation would be for such a thing?

[jharap]

What is your take about it?

That people like you need get off the internet and realize what's right in front of your face.

[jharap]

Please forgive me for not backreading the entire thread, but I've read the last couple of pages.

But please tell me what the government's motivation would be for such a thing?

:lol and how does our government, known for being divisive as shit, all band together under this motivation.

I mean, we can't get these guys to agree on something like helping starving people, but they can all band together in unison to commit the worst murder in American history.

[Tiduwho]

nah, im just answering the question of "So I'm curious, what do you propose made the hole then?"
What is your take about it?

Just curious, can you tell me the behavioral patterns of missiles? What do they do? Do they make big, even, horizontally drawn circles once they make impact with their target and explode?

[John18142]

im not sure, i just dont think it could have been a plane
Just curious, can you tell me the behavioral patterns of missiles? What do they do? Do they make big, even, horizontally drawn circles once they make impact with their target and explode?

[Lcsulla]

:lol and how does our government, known for being divisive as shit, all band together under this motivation.

I mean, we can't get these guys to agree on something like helping starving people, but they can all band together in unison to commit the worst murder in American history.

Not to mention the fact that Bush can't have a meeting with more than 4 people without the discussion somehow leaking to the New York Times....

[lestat1600]

didnt read the entire thread but did read most. didnt see this at all but its worth watching. just something i think was done well and makes you think.
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http://www.loosechange911.com/
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one thing i can say from being in the military, and having friends and family in, is this.
no plane flys into or out of DC without advance notice. fighters have orders to shoot down. DC is the most secure airspace nothing goes in or out without people knowing or allowing, period end of story. hell emergency landings must get pror aproval although it happens in a quicker fashion then the norm. even then if possible its re-directed somewhere else.
2.
nyc is also secure airspace not as much as DC but bottom line nothing goes in or out without someone knowing in the gov.
i say all that to basiclly say this, planes hit wtc, it was allowed and could have been stopped.
planes hit pentagon, it was most definetly allowed, and most definetly could have been stopped.
and as far as 2 planes destroying wtc 1 and 2? not by themselves. read up on the towers how they were built. check out other less sound buildings hit by planes and yet still stand. i lived there from 95 to 06, seen them many times, read about them, learned about them etc.... those planes alone cannot bring down wtc. what else could it have been? i really dont know, i have some thoughts but nothing to back it up. i do know for a fact though it was something more then just planes:BANG:cool:D

[HolyCow]

didnt read the entire thread but did read most. didnt see this at all but its worth watching. just something i think was done well and makes you think.
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http://www.loosechange911.com/
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one thing i can say from being in the military, and having friends and family in, is this.
no plane flys into or out of DC without advance notice. fighters have orders to shoot down. DC is the most secure airspace nothing goes in or out without people knowing or allowing, period end of story. hell emergency landings must get pror aproval although it happens in a quicker fashion then the norm. even then if possible its re-directed somewhere else.
2.
nyc is also secure airspace not as much as DC but bottom line nothing goes in or out without someone knowing in the gov.
i say all that to basiclly say this, planes hit wtc, it was allowed and could have been stopped.
planes hit pentagon, it was most definetly allowed, and most definetly could have been stopped.
and as far as 2 planes destroying wtc 1 and 2? not by themselves. read up on the towers how they were built. check out other less sound buildings hit by planes and yet still stand. i lived there from 95 to 06, seen them many times, read about them, learned about them etc.... those planes alone cannot bring down wtc. what else could it have been? i really dont know, i have some thoughts but nothing to back it up. i do know for a fact though it was something more then just planes:BANG:cool:D
:thumbsdow :thumbsdow :thumbsdow

It wasn't well done and it shouldn't make you think anything except, "These two kids are delusional idiots."

Watch the Polular Mechanics debate. When the engineer and editor present fact after fact that dismantle those two morons theory, all they can come up with as a rebuttal is, "Well, he's a liar" or "He's lying." And that was between their, "Oh God" or "Please" sarcastic comments.

The makers of the movie have zero credibility. So why should it make anyone think? It hasn't an ounce of believablity and has been refuted by numerous, credible agencies and sources.

[colegibson]

whatever is in this crate under the tarp
http://www.rense.com/general70/Pentagontarp500.jpg


Why can't it be a crate full of plane fragments?

[jharap]

:thumbsdow :thumbsdow :thumbsdow

It wasn't well done and it shouldn't make you think anything except, "These two kids are delusional idiots."

Watch the Polular Mechanics debate. When the engineer and editor present fact after fact that dismantle those two morons theory, all they can come up with as a rebuttal is, "Well, he's a liar" or "He's lying." And that was between their, "Oh God" or "Please" sarcastic comments.

The makers of the movie have zero credibility. So why should it make anyone think? It hasn't an ounce of believablity and has been refuted by numerous, credible agencies and sources.

:thumbsup I really don't understand where all these people come from. I don't know if there are just that many sheep in America looking for anything to put on this administration, or it really is a minimum that come out of the woodwork only in threads like these.

But anyway, I saw something scrolling across the bottom of Fox News...something like 40% of the Muslim population in America surveyed believe Muslims had nothing to do with the 9/11 attacks. I don't know any more about the survey, and that seems like it would be a hard figure to determine, so take it for what it's worth...

[lestat1600]

:thumbsdow :thumbsdow :thumbsdow

It wasn't well done and it shouldn't make you think anything except, "These two kids are delusional idiots."

Watch the Polular Mechanics debate. When the engineer and editor present fact after fact that dismantle those two morons theory, all they can come up with as a rebuttal is, "Well, he's a liar" or "He's lying." And that was between their, "Oh God" or "Please" sarcastic comments.

The makers of the movie have zero credibility. So why should it make anyone think? It hasn't an ounce of believablity and has been refuted by numerous, credible agencies and sources.
yeah i hear ya but when you first watch it, it makes ya think and wonder, next thing ya know you are looking more into it. or at least it did that for me. it made me want to find some answers, research and such. if anything i posted the link for that purpose

[colegibson]

You people that argue in support of these "conspiracy theories" are nuts.


Seriously. You people are crazy.

[John18142]

it's quite possible, but why would they want to hide plane parts?
Why can't it be a crate full of plane fragments?

[jharap]

yeah i hear ya but when you first watch it, it makes ya think and wonder, next thing ya know you are looking more into it. or at least it did that for me. it made me want to find some answers, research and such. if anything i posted the link for that purpose

This question goes out to all people who buy this nonsense:

How many conspiracy theories have you watched or given as much focus/attention as you have the 9/11 theory?

If you have not given any other conspiracy theories equal attention, please do so. Decide if you believe that one too. If you have but you only buy this one, please explain why.

[colegibson]

it's quite possible, but why would they want to hide plane parts?


Who said they were hiding them? All I see is a protective tarp. To protect things with.

[lestat1600]

This question goes out to all people who buy this nonsense:

How many conspiracy theories have you watched or given as much focus/attention as you have the 9/11 theory?

If you have not given any other conspiracy theories equal attention, please do so. Decide if you believe that one too. If you have but you only buy this one, please explain why.
i cant speak for others here only self. i love conspiracy theories, hearing all the different shit for pros and cons of such. some made me research them personally to see if its possible others have not. some make me think most do not. i love this one cause i was where it happenend when it happenend so to some degree it directly involves me. so because of that it has some meaning to it. all the ones prior i was too young for, wasnt alive for the event, or wasnt there when it happenend.:monkey:monkey

[jharap]

i cant speak for others here only self. i love conspiracy theories, hearing all the different shit for pros and cons of such. some made me research them personally to see if its possible others have not. some make me think most do not. i love this one cause i was where it happenend when it happenend so to some degree it directly involves me. so because of that it has some meaning to it. all the ones prior i was too young for, wasnt alive for the event, or wasnt there when it happenend.:monkey:monkey

Hey, no ones denying they make for great entertainment. Maybe in a hundred years when these theories aren't causing people who were directly affected immense pain, someone in Hollywood can make a lot of money on the idea that our government planned September 11th.

But it doesn't change the fact that the guys who wrote Loose Change were really just trying to beef up their resumes for writing the next season of 24.

[cbotnyse]

it's quite possible, but why would they want to hide plane parts?you seem to be leaning towards a conspiracy. Thats fine, believe what you want, but serious why would the government do this? There has to be a reason before you can believe it, IMO. And of course I see no answer for that whatsoever.

[lestat1600]

Hey, no ones denying they make for great entertainment. Maybe in a hundred years when these theories aren't causing people who were directly affected immense pain, someone in Hollywood can make a lot of money on the idea that our government planned September 11th.

But it doesn't change the fact that the guys who wrote Loose Change were really just trying to beef up their resumes for writing the next season of 24.
agreed, but ya gotta love conspiracy theories in general. yeah some are out there, but they do bring some nice debates and such that would not come other wise. and they always get some to really research things whom normally wouldnt. plus we can say and voice them and not get shot or jailed for life where as other places you cant and better not. thats one thing i love about the usa. however there is more to it then what we've been told.
nyc and dc are secure and very secure airspaces. and i do know that one plane cant bring down those buildings. and the pentagon was pretty clean compared to past airplane crashes. is it exactly what these theories are? i dont think so. but is it something more? yes:D

[dre2142]

didnt read the entire thread but did read most. didnt see this at all but its worth watching. just something i think was done well and makes you think.
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http://www.loosechange911.com/
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one thing i can say from being in the military, and having friends and family in, is this.
no plane flys into or out of DC without advance notice. fighters have orders to shoot down. DC is the most secure airspace nothing goes in or out without people knowing or allowing, period end of story. hell emergency landings must get pror aproval although it happens in a quicker fashion then the norm. even then if possible its re-directed somewhere else.
2.
nyc is also secure airspace not as much as DC but bottom line nothing goes in or out without someone knowing in the gov.
i say all that to basiclly say this, planes hit wtc, it was allowed and could have been stopped.
planes hit pentagon, it was most definetly allowed, and most definetly could have been stopped.
and as far as 2 planes destroying wtc 1 and 2? not by themselves. read up on the towers how they were built. check out other less sound buildings hit by planes and yet still stand. i lived there from 95 to 06, seen them many times, read about them, learned about them etc.... those planes alone cannot bring down wtc. what else could it have been? i really dont know, i have some thoughts but nothing to back it up. i do know for a fact though it was something more then just planes:BANG:cool:D

Sorry, but youre wrong. You being in the military in Washington state doesnt make you an expert on the airspace of DC......flying in and out of DC FOR the military, like my uncle, makes ya an expert on the airspace.

Pentagon was clean compared to other plane crashes? How many other plane crashes into buildings are you comparing that statement to?

Big thing that is missing here are police, firemen, EMTs, etc saying that something is fishy in regards to the Pentagon. A good friend was a fairfax county fireman, and was a 1st responder to Pentagon.

[dre2142]

Sorry, but youre wrong. You being in the military in Washington state doesnt make you an expert on the airspace of DC......flying in and out of DC FOR the military, like my uncle, makes ya an expert on the airspace.

Pentagon was clean compared to other plane crashes? How many other plane crashes into buildings are you comparing that statement to?

Big thing that is missing here are police, firemen, EMTs, etc saying that something is fishy in regards to the Pentagon. A good friend was a fairfax county fireman, and was a 1st responder to Pentagon.

And to add some further information about this.
As of today, there are NOT roving air patrols at all time. 24/7 combat air patrols have ceased. They have crews ready at AFB to scramble if needed, which is 10 miles out of DC. The current no fly zone over DC is 15 nautical miles around Reagan Airport.

HUNDREDS of small planes have violated this space since 9/11....a few have come as close as 2 miles from the White House. A few COMMERCIAL Jets have even buzzed the White House. Only a small amount have been escorted out, mainly to the Frederick Municipal Airport.

If a commercial jet doesnt identify themselve properly before going into the FRZ, jets are scrambled. 15 nautical miles, at whatever speed those commercials jets are moving....you tell me if a jet at AFB can intercept a commercial jet in time.

Many ask why there havent been any photos of flight 77 going towards the Pentagon....well, because airplanes in that region are seen every few minutes, going into Reagan. Its flight path was headed right towards the airport too, just like any other approaching plane.

[SmoothG]

i do know for a fact though it was something more then just planes:BANG:cool:D

:lol

[capoetc]

Some of you guys absolutely kill me. I have to say, if I had so little faith in my government that I thought they would be somehow complicit in the 9/11 attack on our country, I would leave the country to live somewhere else. I wouldn't want to live in a country whose elected leadership would do something like that or allow something like that to happen.

9/11 happened because a bunch of super-empowered angry men conducted a well-planned, long-term operation to kill as many Americans as possible while striking directly at the centers of power for "the Great Satan". American's were not sufficiently protected against the attack because of, quite frankly, a failure of imagination. While we had considered that, gee, it would be really bad if someone hijacked an airplane and flew it into a building, we never really thought someone would do it.

I am a USAF pilot, and prior to 9/11 we were trained to treat hijackers as individuals who wanted something in return for landing the aircraft safely somewhere. We were NEVER instructed to ascertain whether we thought the hijackers might want to crash the airplane into a building, and then what we should do about it. We just never really thought it was a realistic scenario. Our training is different now, however ...

[lestat1600]

Sorry, but youre wrong. You being in the military in Washington state doesnt make you an expert on the airspace of DC......flying in and out of DC FOR the military, like my uncle, makes ya an expert on the airspace.

Pentagon was clean compared to other plane crashes? How many other plane crashes into buildings are you comparing that statement to?

Big thing that is missing here are police, firemen, EMTs, etc saying that something is fishy in regards to the Pentagon. A good friend was a fairfax county fireman, and was a 1st responder to Pentagon.
wasnt in military in wa state but ny, va, and dc. dc is secure no plane goes in or out without prior approval. remember that govonors plane that was almost shot down. thats hw dc airspace has been years before 9/11 and for the record it doesnt matter where your stationed in the military you can find out about any base, area, etc... and im not an expert nor claimed to be. ask your uncle about dc airspace if its the most secure airspace or not:D

[lestat1600]

And to add some further information about this.
As of today, there are NOT roving air patrols at all time. 24/7 combat air patrols have ceased. They have crews ready at AFB to scramble if needed, which is 10 miles out of DC. The current no fly zone over DC is 15 nautical miles around Reagan Airport.

HUNDREDS of small planes have violated this space since 9/11....a few have come as close as 2 miles from the White House. A few COMMERCIAL Jets have even buzzed the White House. Only a small amount have been escorted out, mainly to the Frederick Municipal Airport.

If a commercial jet doesnt identify themselve properly before going into the FRZ, jets are scrambled. 15 nautical miles, at whatever speed those commercials jets are moving....you tell me if a jet at AFB can intercept a commercial jet in time.

Many ask why there havent been any photos of flight 77 going towards the Pentagon....well, because airplanes in that region are seen every few minutes, going into Reagan. Its flight path was headed right towards the airport too, just like any other approaching plane.
no they havent they all get prior clearence, and there is a group of fighters on constant duty ready to be deployed in min. just outside dc. again remember that one plane that was almost shot down was a govoner or some shit. dc airspace has been like this long before 9/11

[capoetc]

no they havent they all get prior clearence, and there is a group of fighters on constant duty ready to be deployed in min. just outside dc. again remember that one plane that was almost shot down was a govoner or some shit. dc airspace has been like this long before 9/11

I'm a pilot at Dover Air Force Base, DE. We go through and into DC airspace quite frequently. The DC airspace is MUCH more tightly controlled now than it was pre-9/11.

If you don't have a filed flight plan and constant radio contact with air traffic control, you will be intercepted.

[dre2142]

wasnt in military in wa state but ny, va, and dc. dc is secure no plane goes in or out without prior approval. remember that govonors plane that was almost shot down. thats hw dc airspace has been years before 9/11 and for the record it doesnt matter where your stationed in the military you can find out about any base, area, etc... and im not an expert nor claimed to be. ask your uncle about dc airspace if its the most secure airspace or not:D

I have, and yeah, technically it should be the most secure. But like Ive said before.....if an airplane wants to crash into the white house, it will. (and it has happened). If someone wanted to take a plane and crash it into the Lincoln Memorial TODAY, they could, without getting shot down. You seemed to have missed my entire point.

[dre2142]

no they havent they all get prior clearence, and there is a group of fighters on constant duty ready to be deployed in min. just outside dc. again remember that one plane that was almost shot down was a govoner or some shit. dc airspace has been like this long before 9/11


No, they DID NOT all get prior clearance. There are 35 documented "escorts" out of the area, taken up to Moco and Frederick Regional airports, where upon they are met on the tarmac by local police authorities, as well as FBI and Secret Service representatives. The only reason they were escorted out was because they had no intention to violate or crash on purpose. They realized their mistake. You can argue with me about it until you are blue in the face, but youre not going to win this one.
DC has the most strict regulations upon entering the region....Ill agree with you on that one. (Referred to as the FRZ) But the response from AFB isnt quick enough.

And the governors plane had a broken transponder, and occured on the day of Reagans funeral, which also occured during the times around the clock air patrols. Even then, the plane got close enough to the Capitol that they felt the need to evacuate.

[lestat1600]

no your missing mine. im not talking about escorts at all im saying that all aircraft gets prior clearence for dc airspace, scheduled flights. those that are not must maintain contact with air traffic control or risk being shot down (all flights). and the other plane i was refering to was not during the reagan funeral. it was either before or after and was almost shot down

[MacGuyver]

AS much as I didn't want to retop this, a friend of mine over the holiday is seriously convinced that the whole thing is a conspiracy, he has taken Steven Jones' thing hook line sinker. He is absolutely fanatical about the whole idea.... so I can't wait until he reads the PM article I forwarded to him.

[dre2142]

Any conspiracy theorist will do whatever possible to debunk the PM, regardless of whether their rebuttals are true or not.

[WoodstockAimee]

AS much as I didn't want to retop this, a friend of mine over the holiday is seriously convinced that the whole thing is a conspiracy, he has taken Steven Jones' thing hook line sinker. He is absolutely fanatical about the whole idea.... so I can't wait until he reads the PM article I forwarded to him.

link please?

[Tomriddle]

911 conspiracy?


Really?

[Lcsulla]

Course it was a conspiracy. A bunch of people who hate what America stands for decided to collude and commit mass murder. THAT is your conspiracy, a conspiracy of animals with no humanity.

[ShotgunDMB]

People who believe in a 9/11 conspiracy are what I like to call "mentally ill'. Or they're just so blinded by hatred for George W Bush, Dick Cheney, Rudy Giuliani, and anyone in the U.S. government with an (R) beside their name...they'll believe anything thrown at them by fellow quacks.

[bubba40]

Ugh I can't believe people actually still believe in this garbage.

[Lcsulla]

Never thought I'd say this but... Thanks Bubba! :lol

"You wanna know what I think?” Clinton said. “You guys who think 9/11 was an inside job are crazy as hell. My wife was the senator from New York when that happened. I was down at Ground Zero. I saw the victims' families. You're nuts."

[FunkyTeaParty]

This weekend at my neighborhood bar in the bathroom there is a sign that reads, "please dispose of paper towels in the trash can".

Someone wrote on the sign in blue ink, "please dispose of the 9/11 lies at 911truth.org."

I had a nice buzz on so I got a good chuckle out of that.

[symbian]

the world is flat. true story!

[ChrstyAnne]

People who believe in a 9/11 conspiracy are what I like to call "mentally ill'. Or they're just so blinded by hatred for George W Bush, Dick Cheney, Rudy Giuliani, and anyone in the U.S. government with an (R) beside their name...they'll believe anything thrown at them by fellow quacks.

I agree. Most of them think W is a moron (and I think he's a little ditzy myself), so who is the mastermind? :ugh

[Lcsulla]

I agree. Most of them think W is a moron (and I think he's a little ditzy myself), so who is the mastermind? :ugh

Not to mention that the man cannot hold a cabinet meeting without a leak to the press. And we're supposed to believe he was behind 9-11? :lol

[cryfreedom4136]

Which do you guys think is more likely, the goverment knew about 9/11 beforehand and let it happen or the government knew bout Pearl Harbor beforehand and let it happen, I am going to go with Pearl Harbor by about a million miles

[dre2142]

Pearl Harbor for sure. But I dont think it was a "well, let it happen" type thing. I think it was a "that cant possible happen" type thing.

[cryfreedom4136]

Pearl Harbor for sure. But I dont think it was a "well, let it happen" type thing. I think it was a "that cant possible happen" type thing.

I have always thought it was more of a "we are going to need to go to war soon, and heres a way to get the American people's support" type of thing

(if it were true that is, and I am not 100% convinced)

[Lee3691]

There is a lot of evidence that our government did know about Pearl Harbor.

While I think people who believe their was an American conspiracy in the attack on 9/11 are wrong, I don't think it is crazy to say there might of been people with some information who didn't act on it in the most aggressive manor. But, as someone else said, W ain't bright enough to do this.

[colegibson]

The only conspiracy theory I subscribe to is JFK because there's substantial evidence. Other than that, I think people who believe the gov't is behind this kind of stuff are complete idiots and I have no respect for their opinions.

[Jake]

The only conspiracy theory I subscribe to is JFK because there's substantial evidence. Other than that, I think people who believe the gov't is behind this kind of stuff are complete idiots and I have no respect for their opinions.



I'm not stealing this thread, and if you want to start a new one, go right ahead and I'll go into detail, but there is not substantial evidence of a conspiracy.

[john baptiste]

The only conspiracy theory I subscribe to is JFK because there's substantial evidence. Other than that, I think people who believe the gov't is behind this kind of stuff are complete idiots and I have no respect for their opinions.
i love "other than that" qualifiers like this one...

[colegibson]

I'm not stealing this thread, and if you want to start a new one, go right ahead and I'll go into detail, but there is not substantial evidence of a conspiracy.

I do believe there is substantial evidence that Lee Harvey Oswald was not the sole shooter, if he even was one. You may have misconstrued my post as me saying I believe the gov't was involved and I was not trying to imply that. I'm just saying that I subscribe to the idea that the Warren Report is flawed and that we don't know the entire truth surrounding the assassination.

[Warehouse21]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHxOeNXSUcM

weird video

[WoodstockAimee]

meh they're forners. damn forners.

[bubba40]

Never thought I'd say this but... Thanks Bubba! :lol

Never thought you'd thank me specifically, or some random dude on the internet named Bubba?:lol

Course it was a conspiracy. A bunch of people who hate what America stands for decided to collude and commit mass murder. THAT is your conspiracy, a conspiracy of animals with no humanity.

:thumbsup

[tmorry326]

People who believe in a 9/11 conspiracy are what I like to call "mentally ill'. Or they're just so blinded by hatred for George W Bush, Dick Cheney, Rudy Giuliani, and anyone in the U.S. government with an (R) beside their name...they'll believe anything thrown at them by fellow quacks.

Ugh I can't believe people actually still believe in this garbage.

I can't stand those people. And "those" people basically consist of 16-20 year olds who hate Bush but don't really have reasons why. Or middle age dillusional uneducated people. People that think Immortal Technique is the best, deepest rapper alive. And people that want to vote for Ron Paul because he is the total anti-government. Oh and don't forget we didn't land on the moon either.

:rolleyes:rolleyes

[symbian]

I can't stand those people. And "those" people basically consist of 16-20 year olds who hate Bush but don't really have reasons why. Or middle age dillusional uneducated people. People that think Immortal Technique is the best, deepest rapper alive. And people that want to vote for Ron Paul because he is the total anti-government. Oh and don't forget we didn't land on the moon either.

:rolleyes:rolleyes

Ugh...

Ron Paul is not anti government, please educate yourself so as not to look like a moron...

[tmorry326]

Ugh...

Ron Paul is not anti government, please educate yourself so as not to look like a moron...

Why don't you tell me that we landed on the moon too. And that Immortal Technique isn't the best rapper.

Ugh...fuck.

Please read into my post and realize I was referencing what "these" people believe in. I'm not saying I believe that stuff, I'm saying what people who believe 9/11 was a consipracy also belive. Like that we didn't land on the moon, Ron Paul should win because he is anti-government, and Immortal Technique is the best rapper alive.



Reading comprehension should be necessary for people that want to call others moronic.

[symbian]

Why don't you tell me that we landed on the moon too. And that Immortal Technique isn't the best rapper.

Ugh...fuck.

Please read into my post and realize I was referencing what "these" people believe in. I'm not saying I believe that stuff, I'm saying what people who believe 9/11 was a consipracy also belive. Like that we didn't land on the moon, Ron Paul should win because he is anti-government, and Immortal Technique is the best rapper alive.



Reading comprehension should be necessary for people that want to call others moronic.

Blow me :)

I was half awake when i read this and already on a rampage. My apologies.

[MacGuyver]

link please?

You want a link for the Steven Jones stuff?

My friends theory (in accordance with Jones) is that it wasn't the government, but a sort of secret government that seems to be behind all of the questionable things that have happened - JFK, 9/11, pick your conspiracy.

He makes me laugh, well they both do, after watching a bit of Jones' seminar on youtube. Building 7, CLASSIC DEMOLITION for instance. My friends rationale is that no building has ever collapsed from just fire, in the history of the world. EVER!!!! You're so blind!!!! he is literally yelling this at me.

So apparently, nothing new ever happens based on that logic. :rolleyes

debating with him is, if nothing else, entertaining. :lol

Whoever above said it was right, once people believe the conspiracy, they will believe whatever to debunk the PM article or anything else that helps prove 9/11 wasn't a conspiracy.

[tmorry326]

Blow me :)

I was half awake when i read this and already on a rampage. My apologies.

Haha, and mine to you. All good.

[lestat1600]

i dont think it was a conspiracy by our gov. or secret gov. however i do think there is something more there. what is it? i dont know. with the info we have thus far and info from researching wtc something is missing. all im saying is it all doesnt add up. i dont think its a conspiracy. but i dont think we have been given all the info.

[~Crashintome89~]

i dont think it was a conspiracy by our gov. or secret gov. however i do think there is something more there. what is it? i dont know. with the info we have thus far and info from researching wtc something is missing. all im saying is it all doesnt add up. i dont think its a conspiracy. but i dont think we have been given all the info.

How does it not add up?

19 Al-Qaeda terrorists, set up and pulled off this attack with substantial finacial backing, practcing in the Uniteed States with airplane lessons, and finally got through lax security in the airport to fly their planes into three buildings.

It's simple.

[Crazy#41]

How does it not add up?

19 Al-Qaeda terrorists, set up and pulled off this attack with substantial finacial backing, practcing in the Uniteed States with airplane lessons, and finally got through lax security in the airport to fly their planes into three buildings.

It's simple.


Yeah, that's what I believe as well.
People say they'd never be able to do it, so it was planned by the U.S.

Not True...


umm..
I find the plane/pentagon thing that was weird, where the top view showed it pentrate like 3 levels of builidng, like a missle would. I dunno...

But the media to us, news anchors, just read whats on the tele-prompter. & we listen. We don't believe it all, of course, but we, me, you, us, believe what they say some of the time..



should we even do that? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTN3s2iVKKI)

[john baptiste]

Never thought you'd thank me specifically, or some random dude on the internet named Bubba?:lol



:thumbsup
bubba = clinton

[~Crashintome89~]

Yeah, that's what I believe as well.
People say they'd never be able to do it, so it was planned by the U.S.

Not True...


umm..
I find the plane/pentagon thing that was weird, where the top view showed it pentrate like 3 levels of builidng, like a missle would. I dunno...

But the media to us, news anchors, just read whats on the tele-prompter. & we listen. We don't believe it all, of course, but we, me, you, us, believe what they say some of the time..



should we even do that? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTN3s2iVKKI)

It was a damn plane. Witnesses saw it, and it's on the video from the booth. You can make out a plane, not a missile. The fact that it's shaped like a missile only shows where the nose of the plane dove into three levels of a big, concrete building.

[Jake]

I guess all these people http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/911_pentagon_eyewitnesses.html are in on the conspiracy and it was a missile.

[Crazy#41]

I guess all these people http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/911_pentagon_eyewitnesses.html are in on the conspiracy and it was a missile.

You got my vote. now

[nitz]

Just a quick question, and please stay close to topic, whomever takes a stab at it....

With people like Edward Bernays dotting the course of history in the western world, how can even the staunchest anti-conspiracy theoryererer, not find it a possibility these types of orginizations are behind some of the world changing events? Not particular to 9/11, but not excluding it either.

Without having to explain Bernays myself, I included a link for those unfamiliar with him. If interested take a look.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Bernays

[bubba40]

There are a few things that really, really piss me off. 9/11 conspiracy theories/theorists are two of them.

[~Crashintome89~]

There are a few things that really, really piss me off. 9/11 conspiracy theories/theorists are two of them.

They absolutely make non sense to me. None whatsoever. Theorists simply look for a grey area, (which is in every single historical event), and blow it out of proportion to make it go in their favor.

[Dehalo212]

I believe that although the government may or may not have been involved, it gave them an excuse to attack the Middle East.

[nitz]

Just a quick question, and please stay close to topic, whomever takes a stab at it....

With people like Edward Bernays dotting the course of history in the western world, how can even the staunchest anti-conspiracy theoryererer, not find it a possibility these types of orginizations are behind some of the world changing events? Not particular to 9/11, but not excluding it either.

Without having to explain Bernays myself, I included a link for those unfamiliar with him. If interested take a look.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Bernays


No one? That's revealing.

[Mr. Vertical]

No one? That's revealing.


I think this is a very important part of this whole thing, and I am not talking 911 conspiricy. I'm talking about the control that the "powers that be" have over everyone, and we are programmed to believe what they want us to believe. If you notice I didn't say the government, "because governments are only the strings from the puppeteers hands". The rulers of the world are few, they don't want to give up control, they own everything. Another name that you never hear about is the Bilderberg Group. The chosen few who belong to this group are the rulers, they plan the wars, the recessions, the presidents, the bank owners, the own all media. The world bank will have microchips in us within a few years and most people it seems will want them. WAKE UP.

[~Crashintome89~]

I think this is a very important part of this whole thing, and I am not talking 911 conspiricy. I'm talking about the control that the "powers that be" have over everyone, and we are programmed to believe what they want us to believe. If you notice I didn't say the government, "because governments are only the strings from the puppeteers hands". The rulers of the world are few, they don't want to give up control, they own everything. Another name that you never hear about is the Bilderberg Group. The chosen few who belong to this group are the rulers, they plan the wars, the recessions, the presidents, the bank owners, the own all media. The world bank will have microchips in us within a few years and most people it seems will want them. WAKE UP.

Yeah, okay. :rolleyes

[Mr. Vertical]

Yeah, okay. :rolleyes

Ignorance is bliss, did you look at the link above my post, read it and maybe you will learn something.

[nitz]

Ignorance is bliss, did you look at the link above my post, read it and maybe you will learn something.


Don't worry, that is the response(eyes rolled, nose in the air) given to everyone, from this person. Don't expect HER/HIM to read the link referenced above and give a serious rebuttle, it won't happen. Anyways the Bilderberg group and Edward Bernays were obviously made up by conspiracy theorists! Duh?:rolleyes

[dre2142]

Ignorance is bliss, did you look at the link above my post, read it and maybe you will learn something.

Don't worry, that is the response(eyes rolled, nose in the air) given to everyone, from this person. Don't expect HER/HIM to read the link referenced above and give a serious rebuttle, it won't happen. Anyways the Bilderberg group and Edward Bernays were obviously made up by conspiracy theorists! Duh?:rolleyes


Its all just part of the same old New World Order psycho babbly bullshit. Since its not 100% disclosed to the public, it must be out to get us, correct? Its hilarious that you can take the philosophy of Bernays and try to twist it in any way possible to try to prove your point. Very simple questions are thrown at the conspiracy theorists, and they balk at answering the simple, simple questions.

[nitz]

Its all just part of the same old New World Order psycho babbly bullshit. Since its not 100% disclosed to the public, it must be out to get us, correct? Its hilarious that you can take the philosophy of Bernays and try to twist it in any way possible to try to prove your point.


Again, not answering, what do you think of the fact that people at the high levels of government are well-schooled and immersed in the study and application of mass-manipulation, as far back as the late 1800's and early 1900's? Honest question.

[dre2142]

Again, not answering, what do you think of the fact that people at the high levels of government are well-schooled and immersed in the study and application of mass-manipulation, as far back as the late 1800's and early 1900's? Honest question.

This is fact? It doesnt prove anything.

President Bush is well schooled in mass manipulation......he read the book on how to convince the public that fluoride in your water is safe. Wow. That must mean that the public is brainwashed.

What about those that WITNESSED a plane hitting the Pentagon? Were they manipulated?

Your correlation sure is a stretch here.

[loylee]

Bilderberg is nothing. The Trilateral Commission seems way more powerful if you look at the member list.

I met a man in the Netherlands (his wife is an olympic Epuestrian rider) who was in Bilderberg. Don't think he is any longer, heard he was in jail for some money laudering thing or something. Wild bunch of folks they were. My highlight was meeting Charlie Watts (who couldn't have cared less about the politics of it all) He just wanted his horse to win. (his horse did win and later went first in worlds later that year)

[nitz]

Bilderberg is nothing. The Trilateral Commission seems way more powerful if you look at the member list.

I met a man in the Netherlands (his wife is an olympic Epuestrian rider) who was in Bilderberg. Don't think he is any longer, heard he was in jail for some money laudering thing or something. Wild bunch of folks they were. My highlight was meeting Charlie Watts (who couldn't have cared less about the politics of it all) He just wanted his horse to win. (his horse did win and later went first in worlds later that year)


Very cool!

[nitz]

This is fact? It doesnt prove anything.

President Bush is well schooled in mass manipulation......he read the book on how to convince the public that fluoride in your water is safe. Wow. That must mean that the public is brainwashed.

What about those that WITNESSED a plane hitting the Pentagon? Were they manipulated?

Your correlation sure is a stretch here.


It cracks me up that the consiracy NON-DISMISSERS are considered the naive ones:lol You may sleep easier at night thinking you're not being pawned by a government, but it has been happening since the beginning of civilization. And yes, it is historical fact that Edward Bernays worked on mass-manipulation psychology with the big governments and that the research continues today. Come on guy, how many times have you watched "The real world" marathon or googled "Britney Spears"?

BTW, the fact that a plane did in fact hit the towers does not discredit the theory that others were behind the plot.

[dre2142]

It cracks me up that the consiracy NON-DISMISSERS are considered the naive ones:lol You may sleep easier at night thinking you're not being pawned by a government, but it has been happening since the beginning of civilization. And yes, it is historical fact that Edward Bernays worked on mass-manipulation psychology with the big governments and that the research continues today. Come on guy, how many times have you watched "The real world" marathon or googled "Britney Spears"?

BTW, the fact that a plane did in fact hit the towers does not discredit the theory that others were behind the plot.

Have never watched the Real World and could care less about Spears. nice tactic....cmon guy...typical conspiracy theorist reply, trying to push your agenda and whacked out theories.

[chr35919]

It cracks me up that the consiracy NON-DISMISSERS are considered the naive ones:lol You may sleep easier at night thinking you're not being pawned by a government, but it has been happening since the beginning of civilization. And yes, it is historical fact that Edward Bernays worked on mass-manipulation psychology with the big governments and that the research continues today. Come on guy, how many times have you watched "The real world" marathon or googled "Britney Spears"?

BTW, the fact that a plane did in fact hit the towers does not discredit the theory that others were behind the plot.:ugh:ugh:ugh:ugh:ugh

[Hurting_Donkey]

I think this is a very important part of this whole thing, and I am not talking 911 conspiricy. I'm talking about the control that the "powers that be" have over everyone, and we are programmed to believe what they want us to believe. If you notice I didn't say the government, "because governments are only the strings from the puppeteers hands". The rulers of the world are few, they don't want to give up control, they own everything. Another name that you never hear about is the Bilderberg Group. The chosen few who belong to this group are the rulers, they plan the wars, the recessions, the presidents, the bank owners, the own all media. The world bank will have microchips in us within a few years and most people it seems will want them. WAKE UP.
:lol

Holy shit!

Thanks, really needed a good laugh today.

[nitz]

Have never watched the Real World and could care less about Spears. nice tactic....cmon guy...typical conspiracy theorist reply, trying to push your agenda and whacked out theories.


Ahh, I don't know you, "you" take the place of the public, in general. Get it?

Forget it.....:thumbsdow

[~Crashintome89~]

Again, not answering, what do you think of the fact that people at the high levels of government are well-schooled and immersed in the study and application of mass-manipulation, as far back as the late 1800's and early 1900's? Honest question.

Because they're smart, intelligent, and were able to get a really good education? Certainly high level people in the government shouldn't be a bum off the street without even a high school diploma.

[nitz]

Because they're smart, intelligent, and were able to get a really good education? Certainly high level people in the government shouldn't be a bum off the street without even a high school diploma.


I don't understand your response. Who are you talking about?

[chr35919]

for every 9/11 conspiracy theory, there's evidence to refute it.

[~Crashintome89~]

I don't understand your response. Who are you talking about?

The high level people in the government who "control" us. I believe you asked me about why the high level people are highly intelligent and well educated.

[jcc522]

Simpsons did it...

[Tiduwho]

Simpsons did it...

It's true, Major League Baseball does spy on everyday Americans...But let's talk about something else. Who wants to see me hit some dingers!!?

[nitz]

The high level people in the government who "control" us. I believe you asked me about why the high level people are highly intelligent and well educated.


Could ya quote me maybe?...I don't think I asked you that.

[~Crashintome89~]

Again, not answering, what do you think of the fact that people at the high levels of government are well-schooled and immersed in the study and application of mass-manipulation, as far back as the late 1800's and early 1900's? Honest question.

What does this mean?

[buzz05232000]

How is this thread 12 pages long? Jesus people, have some common sense and a little self respect.

[nitz]

What does this mean?


Re: 9/11 conspiracy?
Just a quick question, and please stay close to topic, whomever takes a stab at it....

With people like Edward Bernays dotting the course of history in the western world, how can even the staunchest anti-conspiracy theoryererer, not find it a possibility these types of orginizations are behind some of the world changing events? Not particular to 9/11, but not excluding it either.

Without having to explain Bernays myself, I included a link for those unfamiliar with him. If interested take a look.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Bernays


Originally Posted by nitz http://www.antsmarching.org/forum/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.antsmarching.org/forum/showthread.php?p=7024734#post7024734)
Again, not answering, what do you think of the fact that people at the high levels of government are well-schooled and immersed in the study and application of mass-manipulation, as far back as the late 1800's and early 1900's? Honest question



OK, those were my two posts, so first you would have to read about Edward Bernays.

Then address the bold part...is it not concerning that the highest government officials and most influential international businessmen are actively educating themselves on techniques to manipulate the masses?

What do you suppose this research is going towards?

[~Crashintome89~]

Then address the bold part...is it not concerning that the highest government officials and most influential international businessmen are actively educating themselves on techniques to manipulate the masses?

What do you suppose this research is going towards?

I don't see how Edward Bernays has anything to do with 9/11. If you're simply alluding to the fact that the U.S government used his techniques to "manipulate the masses", I will have to disagree. Besides, Bernays died in 1995.

[Dancing Ants]

Watch/Download the movie "Loose Change." To clear up some of the confusion about the actual 9/11 "Conspiracy Theory." Could be complete bullshit............if nothing else, very entertaining to watch. :thumbsup

i know this is an old post...but how the hell is watching a video about people in our country being killed by our government entertaining?

[~Crashintome89~]

i know this is an old post...but how the hell is watching a video about people in our country being killed by our government entertaining?

Because they pull out so much bullshit out of their ass it's hilarious.

[Mr. Vertical]

I don't see how Edward Bernays has anything to do with 9/11. If you're simply alluding to the fact that the U.S government used his techniques to "manipulate the masses", I will have to disagree. Besides, Bernays died in 1995.

I don't think you are getting the point. I don't think Edward Bernays had a direct link to 911, If you looked at my original post I said the problem isn't if 911 was a conspiracy, the problem is you can't see that the people in control of the world are using his model to effectivly manipulate the masses. Again I don't think the Bush Administration or any government for that matter are in control. The governments are controlled by a small group of ultra powerful, influential people. Sometimes they are called the Bilderburg group, or the Illuminati, the free masons, or as everyone says "THEY". I am not crazy, i am not dillusional, I am highly educated(horrible speller) father of 2. I am not some angst ridden kid, who is out to get the man , and give the middle finger to authority. I have lived a little in my time here. And I am trying to open some peoples eyes that this world is not right. Everyone must feel that something is not right, we have been lyed to from the day we are born. Call me what you will, ignorant is not one of them.
flame away

[~Crashintome89~]

Okay, I get it.

I respectfully disagree though.

[Lude99]

I don't think you are getting the point. I don't think Edward Bernays had a direct link to 911, If you looked at my original post I said the problem isn't if 911 was a conspiracy, the problem is you can't see that the people in control of the world are using his model to effectivly manipulate the masses. Again I don't think the Bush Administration or any government for that matter are in control. The governments are controlled by a small group of ultra powerful, influential people. Sometimes they are called the Bilderburg group, or the Illuminati, the free masons, or as everyone says "THEY". I am not crazy, i am not dillusional, I am highly educated(horrible speller) father of 2. I am not some angst ridden kid, who is out to get the man , and give the middle finger to authority. I have lived a little in my time here. And I am trying to open some peoples eyes that this world is not right. Everyone must feel that something is not right, we have been lyed to from the day we are born. Call me what you will, ignorant is not one of them.
flame away

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuBo4E77ZXo

[Mr. Vertical]

Okay, I get it.

I respectfully disagree though.

fair enough

[Mr. Vertical]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuBo4E77ZXo


I can't watch videos, i'm at work. What is this video about?

[Lude99]

I can't watch videos, i'm at work. What is this video about?

North American Union & Vchip truth

[Mr. Vertical]

This is what scares me, because it is happening and no one wants to see it. A good book that has some relevence to this is called "They", written by a british journalist. He traveled and spent time with extremists ie A KKK grand dragon, Ian Paisley, Islamic extremist, and Ruby Ridge survivors. The last part is about the Bilderburg group and how the try to get into a meeting. Scary shit also another interesting read is American Hero, the book that inspired "wag the dog", The book isn't the same plot as the movie, but it is about Bush Sr and the first gulf war, how saddam and bush were in cahoots. I wish i could live with blinders on and go through life and think everything is peachy, it would be much easier.

[Tomriddle]

WAKE UP SHEEPLE. DUBYA TOOK DOWN HEATH LEDGER


:eek:eek:eek:eek:eek

[VanHorneDog]

ive said it before, ill say it again. i wanna see those tapes from the airplane crash into the pentagon.

[Mr. Vertical]

ive said it before, ill say it again. i wanna see those tapes from the airplane crash into the pentagon.

me too, and why did they cover the grounds of the Pentagon with 2 feet of topsoil and gravel within 48 hours?

Where is the wreckage from PA, did the whole plane burrowed into the ground?


Questions keep popping up, Anyone

[dre2142]

What does this mean?


It doesnt mean anything.

[~Crashintome89~]

It doesnt mean anything.

:lol I'm trying to be nice to him, but it's been quite obvious for a week or so that he has no idea a) how to write b) how to explain c) how to stay on topic.

[Jake]

me too, and why did they cover the grounds of the Pentagon with 2 feet of topsoil and gravel within 48 hours?

Where is the wreckage from PA, did the whole plane burrowed into the ground?


Questions keep popping up, Anyone



Oh, I guess you didn't know, there was a plane that hit the building.


See, planes have gas, and gas burns. And burns is bad.





I'm well aware of the rule for being nice to people, and respecting their views, but I'm changing the rules for people that believe a 9/11 conspiracy.



If you, or anyone else, claims to be educated or 'highly educated', just think of this: How can President Bush hold a private cabinet meeting with 4 other people, and news of what happened in that meeting get leaked to the Washington Post in 2 hours, but the biggest conspiracy to blow up American buildings - which would've facilitated the participation of well over 1000 people - has remained a secret except for a few people who reveal the truth on the internet?

[~Crashintome89~]

Oh, I guess you didn't know, there was a plane that hit the building.


See, planes have gas, and gas burns. And burns is bad.





I'm well aware of the rule for being nice to people, and respecting their views, but I'm changing the rules for people that believe a 9/11 conspiracy.



If you, or anyone else, claims to be educated or 'highly educated', just think of this: How can President Bush hold a private cabinet meeting with 4 other people, and news of what happened in that meeting get leaked to the Washington Post in 2 hours, but the biggest conspiracy to blow up American buildings - which would've facilitated the participation of well over 1000 people - has remained a secret except for a few people who reveal the truth on the internet?

Jake you're not allowed to ask that question because that falls out of the boundary where their bullshit answers can't be covered by gray area and discrepancies.

[TrippinBilliam]

I'm well aware of the rule for being nice to people, and respecting their views, but I'm changing the rules for people that believe a 9/11 conspiracy.

:lol :thumbsup

[dre2142]

me too, and why did they cover the grounds of the Pentagon with 2 feet of topsoil and gravel within 48 hours?

Where is the wreckage from PA, did the whole plane burrowed into the ground?


Questions keep popping up, Anyone

Any recover/construction site needs a good base or else more damage will be done.
Explain to me why the above is part of the conspiracy.

[Jake]

...

Where is the wreckage from PA, did the whole plane burrowed into the ground?


Questions keep popping up, Anyone



I'll play your silly game:


If I take a glass, and throw it down onto my new Tumbled Travertine floor, it will shatter into a billion pieces. You can look at the spot where the glass landed, and see very little proof of the glass hitting the ground there. You might say, did a glass really hit the floor there? All I see is some small pieces, and there is a large piece almost 20 feet away! I conclude that the glass did not get thrown to the ground, and the glass breaking is a conspiracy to get people to better appreciate Tumbled Travertine, and install it in their homes!




The plane hit really fast into an object that is pretty solid; the earth. The plane shattered. Debris was everywhere, according to reports: http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html?page=8

you'll note they mention debris.


The plane hit the ground, debris was there. No consipracy. Bad guys did it.

[dre2142]

Since the exact circumstances hadnt taken place before, its impossible for it to happen that time.

[Trippin4136]

The only skepticism I've ever had it with the Pentagon.

I've never understood how a 757 could physically maintain a plane of flight at such a high speed so close to the ground without hitting the ground, skidding and then crashing into the building.

Also, I find the exterior damage the crash into the building caused to be smaller than it "should" be, no? I mean we're talking about a 125-150 ton plane moving at supposedly ~400 mph...wouldn't that have caused a MUCH bigger impact point and catastrophic damage than the damage it caused?

Like another poster said, I wonder why those tapes have never been made public and it is the only questions I have about what happened that day.

[dre2142]

The only skepticism I've ever had it with the Pentagon.

I've never understood how a 757 could physically maintain a plane of flight at such a high speed so close to the ground without hitting the ground, skidding and then crashing into the building. Im not following your question here. Can you expand?

Also, I find the exterior damage the crash into the building caused to be smaller than it "should" be, no? I mean we're talking about a 125-150 ton plane moving at supposedly ~400 mph...wouldn't that have caused a MUCH bigger impact point and catastrophic damage than the damage it caused? Have you seen the Pentagon in person? Pictures dont do justice. It penetrated three rings of the largest business building in the world.

Like another poster said, I wonder why those tapes have never been made public and it is the only questions I have about what happened that day. Tapes HAVE been made public...which tapes are you referring to?

[Trippin4136]

Im not following your question here. Can you expand?

I'm talking about sheer physics. I don't get how a 757 could be traveling at 400 miles per hour and maintain just about a 90 degree impact point with the Pentagon. I would think that kind of maneuvering to be well beyond the skills of some terrorists with basic flight training on a Cessna. Not only that, but I just feel like a plane that big, moving at that speed, would just straight fall to the ground by the laws of gravity below say 30 feet without being in a landing position or approach. But again, I'm not a pilot, so it's just speculation. I don't get how a 757 could come in on a such a low plane of direct approach. Like how could the terrorists have lowered their altitude before hitting the Pentagon and then cruised into the building at seemingly no more than 10-20 feet off the ground without just simply falling and then skidding into the building from a pretty good distance.

Have you seen the Pentagon in person? Pictures dont do justice. It penetrated three rings of the largest business building in the world.

It wasn't the depth of the destruction that I questioned, but on the most exterior wall. It seemed to make a pretty clean break through the exterior ring. But again, perhaps pictures cannot do it justice, just my observation

Tapes HAVE been made public...which tapes are you referring to?

Yea, I know there are blurry frames that cover the moment of impact itself, but supposedly there are security cameras from around the Pentagon grounds, and from on-site gas stations that supposedly would have had the 757 in it's line of sight.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not denying that it happened, I just think the Pentagon incident leaves many questions.

[nitz]

I don't see how Edward Bernays has anything to do with 9/11. If you're simply alluding to the fact that the U.S government used his techniques to "manipulate the masses", I will have to disagree. Besides, Bernays died in 1995.


:BANG

[nitz]

Crashintome, dre, Jake.......what is your opinion on the NAU and the Vchip?

Is that concise enough for you?

[~Crashintome89~]

The only skepticism I've ever had it with the Pentagon.

I've never understood how a 757 could physically maintain a plane of flight at such a high speed so close to the ground without hitting the ground, skidding and then crashing into the building.

Also, I find the exterior damage the crash into the building caused to be smaller than it "should" be, no? I mean we're talking about a 125-150 ton plane moving at supposedly ~400 mph...wouldn't that have caused a MUCH bigger impact point and catastrophic damage than the damage it caused?
.

The 757 was flying so close to the ground that it took out street lights. So there is an idea of how high up it was. As for the exterior damage. The building that it hit, the Pentagon, is massive. Remember, it hit a number of rings that are concrete I believe. Pretty heavy duty stuff.

[dre2142]

I'm talking about sheer physics. I don't get how a 757 could be traveling at 400 miles per hour and maintain just about a 90 degree impact point with the Pentagon. I would think that kind of maneuvering to be well beyond the skills of some terrorists with basic flight training on a Cessna. Not only that, but I just feel like a plane that big, moving at that speed, would just straight fall to the ground by the laws of gravity below say 30 feet without being in a landing position or approach. But again, I'm not a pilot, so it's just speculation. I don't get how a 757 could come in on a such a low plane of direct approach. Like how could the terrorists have lowered their altitude before hitting the Pentagon and then cruised into the building at seemingly no more than 10-20 feet off the ground without just simply falling and then skidding into the building from a pretty good distance.

First off, when a jet is cruising at very low altitudes at high speeds, does it drop out of the sky?

And I take it you arent aware that Reagan Airport is about 1 mile from the Pentagon, on the Potomac. Airplanes follow the potomac into Reagan at very low altitudes every few minutes. It wouldnt take much to steer a plane into the Pentagon...which it has also been shown that the plane went over 395 and hit the ground at an angle, cartwheeling into the building, which shows that the hit wasnt perfect. It was a secondary target after which the 1st failed due to a missed angle, so they were already at a low altitude.

HUNDREDS of eye witness accounts http://arabesque911.blogspot.com/2007/04/911-and-pentagon-attack-what.html










Yea, I know there are blurry frames that cover the moment of impact itself, but supposedly there are security cameras from around the Pentagon grounds, and from on-site gas stations that supposedly would have had the 757 in it's line of sight. There is ONE Citgo station.....now, tell me where cameras are usually pointing at gas stations....from a very high point shooting downwards at the pumps. The Pentagon sits higher than that gas station, with a few bridges of 395 in between the station and the Pentagon. (And the Citgo faces away from the pentagon as well)

Don't get me wrong, I'm not denying that it happened, I just think the Pentagon incident leaves many questions.
Which have all been answered. Problem is the conspiracy theorist tend to dismiss them and divert attention away from the answers by posing more questions.

[Heavy As Stone]

Which have all been answered. Problem is the conspiracy theorist tend to dismiss them and divert attention away from the answers by posing more questions.

They want the conspiracy to be alive more than they want truth on the matter.

[dre2142]

Crashintome, dre, Jake.......what is your opinion on the NAU and the Vchip?

Is that concise enough for you?

North American Union? I dont know much about it, other than what its accused of trying to accomplish, and thats its one of many organizations that people are against because they feel that they have ulterior motives.

Vchip? As in television regulation?

How do these two subject pertain to all this? Are you simply trying to prove that the since the government has "ulterior motives" and "secret socities" like above that they were responsible for 9/11?

[~Crashintome89~]

Crashintome, dre, Jake.......what is your opinion on the NAU and the Vchip?

Is that concise enough for you?

No. Not at all. Did you watch the video posted earlier? I thought it was a comedy act, it brought the lolz.

[~Crashintome89~]

How do these two subject pertain to all this? Are you simply trying to prove that the since the government has "ulterior motives" and "secret socities" like above that they were responsible for 9/11?

Pretty much, yes. There is a video posted today or yesterday, watch it. It's hilarious. Rockafeller "says" 9/11 was an inside job. :lol :lol

[Lude99]

If you, or anyone else, claims to be educated or 'highly educated', just think of this: How can President Bush hold a private cabinet meeting with 4 other people, and news of what happened in that meeting get leaked to the Washington Post in 2 hours, but the biggest conspiracy to blow up American buildings - which would've facilitated the participation of well over 1000 people - has remained a secret except for a few people who reveal the truth on the internet?

Easy. The private cabinet meeting and the info being leaked was staged, to set people up believe that "if they can't get away with that, how would they ever get away with something as big as 9/11".

[~Crashintome89~]

Easy. The private cabinet meeting and the info being leaked was staged, to set people up believe that "if they can't get away with that, how would they ever get away with something as big as 9/11".

You can't honestly tell me with a straight face that 9/11 was pulled off by this government. And after all of that, no one, I mean no one, talked? The number of people that had to be involved in this would be in the thousands.

[Tiduwho]

I don't think you are getting the point. I don't think Edward Bernays had a direct link to 911, If you looked at my original post I said the problem isn't if 911 was a conspiracy, the problem is you can't see that the people in control of the world are using his model to effectivly manipulate the masses. Again I don't think the Bush Administration or any government for that matter are in control. The governments are controlled by a small group of ultra powerful, influential people. Sometimes they are called the Bilderburg group, or the Illuminati, the free masons, or as everyone says "THEY". I am not crazy, i am not dillusional, I am highly educated(horrible speller) father of 2. I am not some angst ridden kid, who is out to get the man , and give the middle finger to authority. I have lived a little in my time here. And I am trying to open some peoples eyes that this world is not right. Everyone must feel that something is not right, we have been lyed to from the day we are born. Call me what you will, ignorant is not one of them.
flame away

Did you ever stop to think that this all-powerful, overseeing collective has the best interests for mankind in hand? That they aren't greedy, evil, or plotting but instead just trying to make sure we have relative peace in the world and not another World War?


There are so many layers to the world, and yet you choose to look only from your own perspective and your own moralistic ideas of what's "right".

[HolyCow]

Is there actually an argument going on in this thread? Because if so, that's sad.

[Lcsulla]

Yea, I know there are blurry frames that cover the moment of impact itself, but supposedly there are security cameras from around the Pentagon grounds, and from on-site gas stations that supposedly would have had the 757 in it's line of sight.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not denying that it happened, I just think the Pentagon incident leaves many questions.

I woudl also point out that from a security standpoint they'd be retarded to release these tapes even if they were conclusive. I am pretty sure we do not want the world knowing the locations of our cameras nor do I think we want to broadcast the capabilities of Pentagon security system cameras. I realize the New York Times would risk lives to sell a story but fortunately the Pentagon will not, even if it means every crackpot out there thinks our government killed 3,000 people for kicks....

[Jake]

Easy. The private cabinet meeting and the info being leaked was staged, to set people up believe that "if they can't get away with that, how would they ever get away with something as big as 9/11".



that's the saddest thing I've ever heard.



really.




Do you realize that you can justify anything with that logic. The reason I'm so opposed to you crackpots that buy that tripe is b/c the government is paying me to do so?



Sad sad sad

[VanHorneDog]

me too, and why did they cover the grounds of the Pentagon with 2 feet of topsoil and gravel within 48 hours?

Where is the wreckage from PA, did the whole plane burrowed into the ground?


Questions keep popping up, Anyone

the wreckage from PA was on the ground where the plan crashed. the parts of planes that dont just fall appart are the engines and stuff, i believe they found those.


anyway, as for the pentagon i still want to see the footage, im amazed at how the grass in front of the building was not touched. im just curious how it happened.

[nitz]

North American Union? I dont know much about it, other than what its accused of trying to accomplish, and thats its one of many organizations that people are against because they feel that they have ulterior motives.

Vchip? As in television regulation?

How do these two subject pertain to all this? Are you simply trying to prove that the since the government has "ulterior motives" and "secret socities" like above that they were responsible for 9/11?


Wow! you connected some dots! Way to go ....way to fucking go.:bounce

[nitz]

No. Not at all. Did you watch the video posted earlier? I thought it was a comedy act, it brought the lolz.


I ask what is your opinion on the NAU and your response is this?:lol

And you accuse me of being unclear and all over the place?

What...is....your...opinion...on....the NAU...and...the proposed...national....ID chip...to .....be...placed...in all...IDs?

[nitz]

You can't honestly tell me with a straight face that 9/11 was pulled off by this government. And after all of that, no one, I mean no one, talked? The number of people that had to be involved in this would be in the thousands.


Not true. Not to mention, if someone were to slip and talk, the government has demonstrated the ability to disscredit and/or "silence" them. Also, another point you fail to address works in their favor, the mass media and their ability to simply ignore anything they choose. Example: NAU, Benazir Bhutto saying Bin Laden was Murdered, the Amero. How come no one knows about this unless they actively seek it out?

[nitz]

Did you ever stop to think that this all-powerful, overseeing collective has the best interests for mankind in hand? That they aren't greedy, evil, or plotting but instead just trying to make sure we have relative peace in the world and not another World War?


There are so many layers to the world, and yet you choose to look only from your own perspective and your own moralistic ideas of what's "right".


Funniest Shit Ever!!:lol

[Tomriddle]

Not true. Not to mention, if someone were to slip and talk, the government has demonstrated the ability to disscredit and/or "silence" them.

Common sense has the ability to 'discredit' them.

[nitz]

Common sense has the ability to 'discredit' them.


Well done.

[Tomriddle]

Well done.

Thanks. I'm expecting a big fat check from Dubya any moment now

[~Crashintome89~]

Not true. Not to mention, if someone were to slip and talk, the government has demonstrated the ability to disscredit and/or "silence" them. Also, another point you fail to address works in their favor, the mass media and their ability to simply ignore anything they choose. Example: NAU, Benazir Bhutto saying Bin Laden was Murdered, the Amero. How come no one knows about this unless they actively seek it out?

For the last time, Bhutto made a mistake and meant to say Daniel Pearl. And the mass media hasn't been ignoring anything. I've been up to date on the NAFTA Superhighway for quite some time now.

[nitz]

For the last time, Bhutto made a mistake and meant to say Daniel Pearl. And the mass media hasn't been ignoring anything. I've been up to date on the NAFTA Superhighway for quite some time now.


Where is your reference that this was an admitted mistake? I haven't seen it.

That is great that you are up to speed on the issues(you are a supreme intellectual). MOST Americans are not aware of this, that is the problem.

[nitz]

Thanks. I'm expecting a big fat check from Dubya any moment now


You mean Wolfowitz.;)

[Crazy#41]

me too, and why did they cover the grounds of the Pentagon with 2 feet of topsoil and gravel within 48 hours?

Where is the wreckage from PA, did the whole plane burrowed into the ground?


Questions keep popping up, Anyone

A Plane DID crash into Pentago.. There are over 300+ witnesses that seen it.
Some are even like Mexican yard works for the Pentagon and can barely speak English... Are you saying all 300+ people are in on the conspiracy?


2ndly, Yes. Flight 93 was shot down.

I knew it from day one..

The corners and people went to the crash site.. No bodies. At all.. None.
Barley any blood. Found wreckage and body parts scattered for 50 some km's.
EVEN Rumsfeild said it was shot down..

I'm sorry for all those who lives were taken away from them on 9/11. But the Pentagon being shot down is the only legit "Consipracy". & well, it's not even a consipracy. It's true.



edit: Video of Rummy saying it was shot down:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6Xoxaf1Al0

[Tomriddle]

the Pentagon being shot down

O RLY? :rolleyes

[~Crashintome89~]

Where is your reference that this was an admitted mistake? I haven't seen it.

It's plain logic? Ahmed Omar Saeed Sheikh was arrested for the kidnapping and mruder of Daniel Pearl. He was then put to death in July of 2002, so that means Bin Laden would have to be killed before July of 2002. But of course, since you're the man with the facts, you already knew all of this right? :rolleyes Also, you might know Omar Chatriwala, a journalist for Al Jazeera English? He claims that he chose not to pursue the story at the time because it was an apparent slip of the tongue.

[nitz]

It's plain logic? Ahmed Omar Saeed Sheikh was arrested for the kidnapping and mruder of Daniel Pearl. He was then put to death in July of 2002, so that means Bin Laden would have to be killed before July of 2002. But of course, since you're the man with the facts, you already knew all of this right? :rolleyes Also, you might know Omar Chatriwala, a journalist for Al Jazeera English? He claims that he chose not to pursue the story at the time because it was an apparent slip of the tongue.


Do you have other references besides your Wikipedia?:rolleyes Didn't it say how Sheikh was NOT put to death, but handed over to the ISI? I have seen no report affirming he was put to death.

[nitz]

It's plain logic? Ahmed Omar Saeed Sheikh was arrested for the kidnapping and mruder of Daniel Pearl. He was then put to death in July of 2002, so that means Bin Laden would have to be killed before July of 2002. But of course, since you're the man with the facts, you already knew all of this right? :rolleyes Also, you might know Omar Chatriwala, a journalist for Al Jazeera English? He claims that he chose not to pursue the story at the time because it was an apparent slip of the tongue.


Your ego gets in the way of learning...that is sad.:monkey

[ShotgunDMB]

Your brain gets in the way of you learning. Do I really need to quote the over 100 passages from the Quran that is in a large part responsibly the jihadist ideology?

[nitz]

Your brain gets in the way of you learning. Do I really need to quote the over 100 passages from the Quran that is in a large part responsibly the jihadist ideology?


I can hear you yell-typing!:hump

By the way I don't dispute that the Quran IS part of the problem.
You on the other hand, seem to be disputing that we ARE part of the problem.

[~Crashintome89~]

You on the other hand, seem to be disputing that we ARE part of the problem.

Technically he is right in saying so. Since we won't convert over to Islam. Islamic radicals and extremists use it as a basis to fight us because the Western World is "evil"

[~Crashintome89~]

Do you have other references besides your Wikipedia?:rolleyes Didn't it say how Sheikh was NOT put to death, but handed over to the ISI? I have seen no report affirming he was put to death.

My bad. I meant he was sentenced to death. And Wikipedia is a pretty good thing to find sources, for instance finding the quote about Omar Chatriwala who stated that what Bhutto said was a mistake.

[colegibson]

edit: Video of Rummy saying it was shot down:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6Xoxaf1Al0




You do realize in that video that he's stating "what if's"? As in "what if the [terrorists] who shot down flight 93." Or "I'm Donald Rumsfeld and I'm an idiot and I'm bummbling my words up."

Not "the US shot down flight 93." That's not happening in that video.


:rolleyes

[ShotgunDMB]

I hate Donald Rumsfeld.

[Tomriddle]

You do realize in that video that he's stating "what if's"? As in "what if the [terrorists] who shot down flight 93." Or "I'm Donald Rumsfeld and I'm an idiot and I'm bummbling my words up."

Not "the US shot down flight 93." That's not happening in that video.


:rolleyes

Quit it with the comprehension. We don't like your kind here

[nitz]

My bad. I meant he was sentenced to death. And Wikipedia is a pretty good thing to find sources, for instance finding the quote about Omar Chatriwala who stated that what Bhutto said was a mistake.

Yeah, Wikipedia is usually a great starting point-I was just F'n with you.
Again, I would never claim to know any of this for certain, but I believe she meant what she said, she did have reason to believe he was murdered. The whole situation with this Sheikh guy is shady as hell.

Check this out. Pretty interesting timeline they present.


http://littlecountrylost.blogspot.com/2008/01/benazir-bhutto-omar-shiekh-murdered.html

[~Crashintome89~]

Yeah, Wikipedia is usually a great starting point-I was just F'n with you.
Again, I would never claim to know any of this for certain, but I believe she meant what she said, she did have reason to believe he was murdered. The whole situation with this Sheikh guy is shady as hell.

Check this out. Pretty interesting timeline they present.


http://littlecountrylost.blogspot.com/2008/01/benazir-bhutto-omar-shiekh-murdered.html

I still disagree. It was a mistake and only a mistake. If Bin Laden was really dead, it would be a great boost for the military and Bush.

[nitz]

I still disagree. It was a mistake and only a mistake. If Bin Laden was really dead, it would be a great boost for the military and Bush.

Fair enough..It is a good thing no matter what you believe to gain alternative perspective though.

[VanHorneDog]

I can hear you yell-typing!:hump

By the way I don't dispute that the Quran IS part of the problem.
You on the other hand, seem to be disputing that we ARE part of the problem.

we are... we are ignorant of others and dependent on them becuase we have a history of exploiting others. now they have guns and want to fight back.

its not just america, its christians i understand the US isnt supposed to be a christian government, but it is.

[ShotgunDMB]

teh seperation of church and stateeee

[Jake]

....

2ndly, Yes. Flight 93 was shot down.

I knew it from day one..

The corners and people went to the crash site.. No bodies. At all.. None.
Barley any blood. Found wreckage and body parts scattered for 50 some km's.
EVEN Rumsfeild said it was shot down..
....



for the 100th time, I was with the brother of Senator Mel Martinez(R-FL) on 9.11 when Mel was HUD sect., and the brother told us - a room full of lawyers - that his brother said the US fighters had orders to fire but never got there in time to launch their missiles.


So no, it was not shot down.

[Tomriddle]

we are... we are ignorant of others and dependent on them becuase we have a history of exploiting others. now they have guns and want to fight back.

bullshit. as soon as Muhammed came into power he began killing and raping and robbing and forcefully converting all who weren't Muslim, and after he died a succession of caliphates continued the tradition, first taking all of Northern Africa and then attacking Europe (they were repelled in the crusades,) then the Islamic world was absorbed by the Ottomans, who also tried to conquer the world (WWI, anyone) and committed a genocide. Once that dissolved, the individual Muslim states once again went to war against all of civilization. This is simpy what the Islamic faith does. Totalitarian Islam can not co-exist with anything, because everything is a threat to their ass backwards, bullshit, facist 'way to happiness.'

[Tomriddle]

So no, it was not shot down.

I agree, but even if it was, so what? This debate is asinine.

[ShotgunDMB]

bullshit. as soon as Muhammed came into power he began killing and raping and robbing and forcefully converting all who weren't Muslim, and after he died a succession of caliphates continued the tradition, first taking all of Northern Africa and then attacking Europe (they were repelled in the crusades,) then the Islamic world was absorbed by the Ottomans, who also tried to conquer the world (WWI, anyone) and committed a genocide. Once that dissolved, the individual Muslim states once again went to war against all of civilization. This is simpy what the Islamic faith does. Totalitarian Islam can not co-exist with anything, because everything is a threat to their ass backwards, bullshit, facist 'way to happiness.'

Yes sir.

[VanHorneDog]

bullshit. as soon as Muhammed came into power he began killing and raping and robbing and forcefully converting all who weren't Muslim, and after he died a succession of caliphates continued the tradition, first taking all of Northern Africa and then attacking Europe (they were repelled in the crusades,) then the Islamic world was absorbed by the Ottomans, who also tried to conquer the world (WWI, anyone) and committed a genocide. Once that dissolved, the individual Muslim states once again went to war against all of civilization. This is simpy what the Islamic faith does. Totalitarian Islam can not co-exist with anything, because everything is a threat to their ass backwards, bullshit, facist 'way to happiness.'

maybe you are right, but to blame them 100%? thats just silly. sure they could use a chill pill and we would probably be cool with them. however, now that the world is smaller people can learn to see things differently. what we need to do is stop feeding those young minds overthere with our own crap.

not everybody who is muslim is fucking crazy, they just might know somebody who is and dont want to say shit.

[Tomriddle]

maybe you are right, but to blame them 100%? thats just silly.

who else do you blame? possibly the UN council that decided to displace however many Palestinians, but that seems like kicking a dead horse at this point

[ShotgunDMB]

me thinks 90% of the people in this thread don't have the slightest clue as to what islam is all about.