9/11 conspiracy?

[Koreelove]

lmao implanted micro chips. That's like something out of my book. hahaahahaha


:lol don't be so quick to think that's not possible. I showed that movie Zeitgeist to my mom and when the part came up when they showed the RFID chips, she busts out with "Oh, your brother is building those in Isreal". He's an electrical engineer and travels to Isreal for military work about once a month. Not sure if they will implanted into us, but they are certianly will be implanting them into military personel.

[Mr. Vertical]

Its not anger....its disgust over the fact that you can come in here and attack attack attack, yet when points are brought up to you, you ignore them and change the subject. Vertical wanted me to address the site he was citing...and I did. Every single point. No reply from either of you.

people that have opposite views of you are automatically "sheep" to the situation. You bring up some great questions, yet the majority of them are answered logically. Yet you dont seem to want to admit to it.

Not once have I attacked anyone on a personel level in this thread, you take this personal, yet we are the ones who listen to ridecule and name calling. I admit I have not responded to the post before April 10, I did state at that time I was going oversea's, since I have been back, I haven't had time to look into and research the points you put forward. I have a different position in my company and I work days and I don't have the time I did when I was on nights, I actually have to work ( although I am at work right now ). To be honest I had a moment of clarity in Ireland and I'm kinda done with stuff, so you win, I agree with the government, the NIST report, Everything from George Bush's mouth is fact, you have totally changed my mind. I can't believe I thought that horseshit was true. Jesse Ventura is crazy, I heard a couple months ago that he was losing it, I just didn't know the reason, but now it's obvious, how he could believe anything that wasn't on the news or CNN is beyond me. Stop asking questions, no one wants to hear it, the Victims families want to punch you in the face for even questioning that day, give it up " the body" you're mental.

SO I'm done in this thread see you in DMBc pontificating about setlists and how fat Rashawn got over the winter, and butch's horrible scats, you know where I can make a difference.

[~Crashintome89~]

^^^^^^^^^^

1- Common sense
0- "Truth" movement people

[VanHorneDog]

This is a video that sealed the deal for me as far as the WTC being taken down by controlled demolition. This video is mostly physics....well except for the first and last 10 minutes or so. Watch it if you like, or not. I just found it interesting because it does look at both sides.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4026073566596731782&q=Improbable%2BCollapse&total=58&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

firefighters and paramedics are not demolition experts or structural engineers. niether are teachers of physics.

i know some of them are well educated, but give me a demolition expert or structural engineer saying that they came down with explosives i might listen.

then of course how many buildings do we know of that have fallen over by themselves? we dont know the characters of a non-demolition collapse of tall structures because there havent been any of that scale.

[JMcCartyFBI]

Not for nothing but, I don't recall any interviews of any persons claiming that they saw an airplane actually hit the Pentagon, unlike you see with the World Trade Center. There were tons and tons and tons of interviews in NYC. Actually, there was hardly any converage of the Pentagon being hit. I can't remember the name of the broadcaster, but he even said that day that "it doesn't look like a plane crashed anywhere near here".

And as far as the money thing, do you think that raising $10,000 for the truth movement is making anybody rich? Alex Jones does take donations, but he speaks of the New World Order, which is something completely different then the conspiracy on 9/11. If you belive in the New World Order, then yes, it plays a role, but most of the people seeking truth or answers are not affiliated with NWO.

The answer is simple psychology. The Pentagon was a military target, the headquarters of the US military. The World Trade Center was a civilian target full of "innocents" as opposed to men in uniform. Thus, sympathy (and therefore viewership) is drawn to the WTC. Plus, 125 people died in the Pentagon, as opposed to 2,603 in New York, so again the sympathy goes there. One could also argue that with broadcast journalism being overrun by ultra-left liberals, the fact that the headquarters of the US military was hit was probably seen as good news, and therefore not appropriate for the sombre post-9/11 coverage. But that is a matter of opinion.

As for the broadcaster's comment, I would like to ask him how many times he had witnessed or seen footage of a commercial airliner crash into a five-story, heavily reinforced building. His answer will determine how much value I place in his opinion about what the crash scene looked like.

Finally, concerning the lack of witness statements. The people on Columbia Pike witnessed something. It was either a plane or something else. There is no way that the government could possibly know the identities of everyone who witnessed the crash, therefore it is impossible that all of them could be bought or killed not to say what really happened. If they really did see a missile, they could easily come out and say it. But they haven't. Why?

[Tomriddle]

lmao implanted micro chips.

Open your eyes!


Orwell was right!


Ron Paul THE REVOLUTION IS HERE

[~Crashintome89~]

This is a video that sealed the deal for me as far as the WTC being taken down by controlled demolition. This video is mostly physics....well except for the first and last 10 minutes or so. Watch it if you like, or not. I just found it interesting because it does look at both sides.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4026073566596731782&q=Improbable%2BCollapse&total=58&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

This video is bullshit. It's quite obvious that they cut and pasted witness interviews to skew what they said. Talk about a horrendous editing job, jesus.

[ronpaul]

[quote=dre2142;7523502]How about you jump down from your pedestal buddy. You speak as if you have it all figured out yourself.....dont be a hypocrite.

What is so hilarious about using loose change? Whether or not you agree with it or not, it is there research and interviews that people cite.(which are pretty much all valid and independent) I disagree w/ some of loose change.

Sorry the comment about citing loose change got f'd up somehow.

[Dads_obsessed]

firefighters and paramedics are not demolition experts or structural engineers. niether are teachers of physics.

i know some of them are well educated, but give me a demolition expert or structural engineer saying that they came down with explosives i might listen.

then of course how many buildings do we know of that have fallen over by themselves? we dont know the characters of a non-demolition collapse of tall structures because there havent been any of that scale.

Here ya go....

http://patriotsquestion911.com/engineers.html


This is a good site for those of you that think the truth movement is made up of two young guys trying to make a buck, and their couple of dozen nutjob followers.....

http://patriotsquestion911.com/

[Koreelove]

firefighters and paramedics are not demolition experts or structural engineers. niether are teachers of physics.

i know some of them are well educated, but give me a demolition expert or structural engineer saying that they came down with explosives i might listen.

then of course how many buildings do we know of that have fallen over by themselves? we dont know the characters of a non-demolition collapse of tall structures because there havent been any of that scale.

I did find 3 articles and 1 video of experts analyzing WTC 1, 2 and 7, but all of them have been pulled from the internet. I did find one that explained that the towers fell by fire, but there was no mention of WTC 7. I did however come across this expert who had a some interesting conclusions to all three collapses, it's worth a look

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkZMQAC95kI&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgoSOQ2xrbI

I don't think it's crazy to want to know some answers. We've been given the 9/11 Commission report and told to look at it like it's the end all be all of what happened. The fact that WTC 7 wasn't even mentioned is reason enough to raise some questions. It's filled with holes with reason to ask questions regarding it's content. Why was an independent investigation rejected? Shouldn't the people have a say as well, hiring their own experts and what not? If there is nothing to hide, then what's the problem? Truth be told, we will most likely never know the full truth of WTC 7 considering that all the evidence was shipped off to Asia to be recyled.

We spend years and years looking for who killed JonBenet Ramsey, yet we spend 5 minutes on 9/11. Sorry, but it just doesn't make sense to me.

[ShotgunDMB]

A question for all you 9/11 truthers out there....What grand ole scheme was behind the epic government conspriacy of 9/11 and WTC7? ;)

Was evil Lord Cheney and Bu$hler behind it...And Giuliani an accomplace?

[Koreelove]

The answer is simple psychology. The Pentagon was a military target, the headquarters of the US military. The World Trade Center was a civilian target full of "innocents" as opposed to men in uniform. Thus, sympathy (and therefore viewership) is drawn to the WTC. Plus, 125 people died in the Pentagon, as opposed to 2,603 in New York, so again the sympathy goes there. One could also argue that with broadcast journalism being overrun by ultra-left liberals, the fact that the headquarters of the US military was hit was probably seen as good news, and therefore not appropriate for the sombre post-9/11 coverage. But that is a matter of opinion.

As for the broadcaster's comment, I would like to ask him how many times he had witnessed or seen footage of a commercial airliner crash into a five-story, heavily reinforced building. His answer will determine how much value I place in his opinion about what the crash scene looked like.

Finally, concerning the lack of witness statements. The people on Columbia Pike witnessed something. It was either a plane or something else. There is no way that the government could possibly know the identities of everyone who witnessed the crash, therefore it is impossible that all of them could be bought or killed not to say what really happened. If they really did see a missile, they could easily come out and say it. But they haven't. Why?

I'm sure the broadcaster had never seen a plane actually hit the building, as most people have not. I am no expert either, but I do work in aviation and I've seen plenty of pictures of airplane crashes and I can only recall one crash that did not produce a wreckage which was Value Jet that crashed into the Everglades back in 1996. The closest road to the site was miles from away and it was hard to even recover much of the craft. They did however recover the black bow and you can even hear the last minutes of the flight online.

If you've never seen a dead bird before and you're walking down the street and see one, chances are you're gonna know what it is. In my opinion, you don't have to actually ever see something to know what it is.

And for the people speaking out...how do you know if they have tried? Your perseption is only of what is presented to you. There are 2 firefighters that have been trying to speak out about finding the CVR at the WTC. As their story goes, they were told to keep quiet. Government officials will not even listen to them. It;s like finding the murder weapon of a crime and having it completely discredited.

here's one of several articles written about the firefighter finding the boxes

http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/black_box.html

[Crazy#41]

If it was brought down by explosives.. who put them there?

Was it FBI agents or contractors?

I don't think neither would willingly put explosives in a building, a HUGE job to do, with no one the wiser... Knowing people are in the building and they would be taking down the towers. lol.

It was the planes that did it guys... No question.

i'm the biggest consipracy theorist on these boards and I don't even believe this...

[Koreelove]

firefighters and paramedics are not demolition experts or structural engineers. niether are teachers of physics.

i know some of them are well educated, but give me a demolition expert or structural engineer saying that they came down with explosives i might listen.

then of course how many buildings do we know of that have fallen over by themselves? we dont know the characters of a non-demolition collapse of tall structures because there havent been any of that scale.


p.s. I also re read the Popular Mechanics article again and they did not mention any demolition experts in their research. They did mention a team of 12 experts, but no names and references where mentioned regarding demolition.

[VanHorneDog]

I did find 3 articles and 1 video of experts analyzing WTC 1, 2 and 7, but all of them have been pulled from the internet. I did find one that explained that the towers fell by fire, but there was no mention of WTC 7. I did however come across this expert who had a some interesting conclusions to all three collapses, it's worth a look

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkZMQAC95kI&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgoSOQ2xrbI

I don't think it's crazy to want to know some answers. We've been given the 9/11 Commission report and told to look at it like it's the end all be all of what happened. The fact that WTC 7 wasn't even mentioned is reason enough to raise some questions. It's filled with holes with reason to ask questions regarding it's content. Why was an independent investigation rejected? Shouldn't the people have a say as well, hiring their own experts and what not? If there is nothing to hide, then what's the problem? Truth be told, we will most likely never know the full truth of WTC 7 considering that all the evidence was shipped off to Asia to be recyled.

We spend years and years looking for who killed JonBenet Ramsey, yet we spend 5 minutes on 9/11. Sorry, but it just doesn't make sense to me.

are you retarded or something? really do you have a mental illness that makes you think that is anywhere close to being accurate?

ask questions, dont make up a conspiracy. you can say, "hey that doesnt really explain all of the problem, lets look into it more becuase thats strange"

not

"hey that doesnt really explain all of the problem, they must be hiding something!!! explosives in the building!!!"

thats just fear mongering and wrong. ask questions, just dont ask iritating and inflamitory ones that insult people. you arent asking for the truth, you are asking for your truth.

how many buildings of that size have fallen down in the last 100 year? the answer is none, there is a lot we dont know. we know that it looks like how they come down with explosives, but we dont know what it looks like without. just becuaes we dont know something doesnt give you the right to insult somebody for not belivng in a fantastic vision of a tragic event.

please ask questions, just dont load them with fantasy and ignorance.

[VanHorneDog]

I'm sure the broadcaster had never seen a plane actually hit the building, as most people have not. I am no expert either, but I do work in aviation and I've seen plenty of pictures of airplane crashes and I can only recall one crash that did not produce a wreckage which was Value Jet that crashed into the Everglades back in 1996. The closest road to the site was miles from away and it was hard to even recover much of the craft. They did however recover the black bow and you can even hear the last minutes of the flight online.

If you've never seen a dead bird before and you're walking down the street and see one, chances are you're gonna know what it is. In my opinion, you don't have to actually ever see something to know what it is.

And for the people speaking out...how do you know if they have tried? Your perseption is only of what is presented to you. There are 2 firefighters that have been trying to speak out about finding the CVR at the WTC. As their story goes, they were told to keep quiet. Government officials will not even listen to them. It;s like finding the murder weapon of a crime and having it completely discredited.

here's one of several articles written about the firefighter finding the boxes

http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/black_box.html

we lived for hundreds of years with gravity and didnt know what it was. we thought we know what it was, but we were wrong.

[comerelaxnow]

26 pages of back and forth. the people that believe that 911 was an inside job will always believe it. why??? maybe its lack of anything else to do. the people who honestly believe that 911 was an inside job should spend more time wondering why they continue to live in and love a country that would kill thousands of their own people on live television

[TwoStep2888]

9/11 victims families are insane for requesting answers to certain unanswered questions? Would you say that to a mother of a victim? I doubt it. So why dont you settle down and see the movement for what it actually is, a search for answers. Is that ok with you? Better question..what does it solve within your brain to insist that everyone asking these questions is crazy?


If the 9/11 victims' families believe that 9/11 was a government conspiracy, then yes, they are, and yes, I would say that to a mother of a victim if she claimed 9/11 was a government conspiracy. Insanity is insanity, no matter who it comes from.

[dre2142]

Not for nothing but, I don't recall any interviews of any persons claiming that they saw an airplane actually hit the Pentagon, unlike you see with the World Trade Center. There were tons and tons and tons of interviews in NYC. Actually, there was hardly any converage of the Pentagon being hit.

Hardly any coverage? Are you nuts? And no interviews? There are HUNDREDS of interviews, soundbites, etc from witnesses that watched the plane hit the Pentagon.

http://www.geocities.com/someguyyoudontknow33/witnesses.htm
http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon/analysis/witnesses.html


I can't remember the name of the broadcaster, but he even said that day that "it doesn't look like a plane crashed anywhere near here".

See, the conspiracy theorists will contort that quote....which is wrong though. There is footage of a reporter saying that he doesnt see any evidence that a plane hit the Pentagon....and then says in the next sentence that there are only small pieces of a plane...no large pieces like a tail section. This is also based on his observations from about a 1/2 mile away, from where the media was allowed to set up. (I was in that area)

[~Crashintome89~]

I think government conspiracy theorists, or most people who believe in a 9/11 conspiracy, are ones who would rather believe that 9/11 was an inside job than accept the reality that it was brought down by Middle Eastern terrorists. I think this is because there is/was a sense of invincibility when thinking about United States national security, the sense that no one can touch us.

That was all shattered on 9/11, and instead of accepting the truth that we are no longer invincible, people would rather accept the government had must have something to do with it because there is just no way we could have possibly been touched otherwise.

[Koreelove]

are you retarded or something? really do you have a mental illness that makes you think that is anywhere close to being accurate?

ask questions, dont make up a conspiracy. you can say, "hey that doesnt really explain all of the problem, lets look into it more becuase thats strange"

not

"hey that doesnt really explain all of the problem, they must be hiding something!!! explosives in the building!!!"

thats just fear mongering and wrong. ask questions, just dont ask iritating and inflamitory ones that insult people. you arent asking for the truth, you are asking for your truth.

how many buildings of that size have fallen down in the last 100 year? the answer is none, there is a lot we dont know. we know that it looks like how they come down with explosives, but we dont know what it looks like without. just becuaes we dont know something doesnt give you the right to insult somebody for not belivng in a fantastic vision of a tragic event.

please ask questions, just dont load them with fantasy and ignorance.

First, there is no reason for you call me names. I am not running around screaming "9/11 was an inside job!!" nor am I insulting anyone here. I am asking ligitimate questions, like "why wasn't WTC 7 mentioned in the Commission report?". Is that wrong to ask? Do I have to be a family member to ask these questions? No.

And if no other buildings have ever fallen like this, don't you think it would be smart to maybe examine the materials (the steel) from this event to make sure something like that doesn't happen again? How many steel frame buildings do you think catch fire on this planet every day? If it was fire, then we should be looking at perventative measures, and not just "well, that never happened before, lets ship this steel off to be recycled".

There are plenty of truth seekers that don't think 9/11 was an inside job, but in my OPINION, the 9/11 Commission report was a half truth, therefore it deserves a closer look and/or an independant investigation.

[Koreelove]

Hardly any coverage? Are you nuts? And no interviews? There are HUNDREDS of interviews, soundbites, etc from witnesses that watched the plane hit the Pentagon.

http://www.geocities.com/someguyyoudontknow33/witnesses.htm
http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon/analysis/witnesses.html



I hadn't seen this before. I was refering to the day that it all happened. I was glued to the tv for weeks and I don't remember too many witness interviews that were on tv. Accourding to the this there were not HUNDREDS, but a fair about I suppose......23 saw an American Airlines Jet crash. Which is fine, all you need is one right?

I'm here looking for al angels and I appreciate the info, it's important.

[Jake]

....
i'm the biggest consipracy theorist on these boards and I don't even believe this...


this is all you crazy-ass 9.11 conspiracy people need to know: The craziest, conspiracy-laden person on this 150,000 person community even concedes it was the fucking planes.



it's humorous that the conspiracy nuts bring up the same points, when post after post shows the answers to their alleged 'inconsistencies'.

[bennettr]

Isn't it true that there are a considerable amount of non americans who truely believe that we did 9-11 to ourselves so that we could attack whoever we wanted?

[VanHorneDog]

First, there is no reason for you call me names. I am not running around screaming "9/11 was an inside job!!" nor am I insulting anyone here. I am asking ligitimate questions, like "why wasn't WTC 7 mentioned in the Commission report?". Is that wrong to ask? Do I have to be a family member to ask these questions? No.

And if no other buildings have ever fallen like this, don't you think it would be smart to maybe examine the materials (the steel) from this event to make sure something like that doesn't happen again? How many steel frame buildings do you think catch fire on this planet every day? If it was fire, then we should be looking at perventative measures, and not just "well, that never happened before, lets ship this steel off to be recycled".

There are plenty of truth seekers that don't think 9/11 was an inside job, but in my OPINION, the 9/11 Commission report was a half truth, therefore it deserves a closer look and/or an independant investigation.

we can disagree on this

yes we need to look into it more, im all for it. just dont be a wack-job who cant ask questions without thinking the government was behind it.

thats all i ask for. no wack-jobs.

[dre2142]

And if no other buildings have ever fallen like this, don't you think it would be smart to maybe examine the materials (the steel) from this event to make sure something like that doesn't happen again? How many steel frame buildings do you think catch fire on this planet every day? I would agree that this argument holds water, if only this building was not built in a unique way. No other building had been built in the manner that the towers had been built. It wasnt built traditionally.


If it was fire, then we should be looking at perventative measures, and not just "well, that never happened before, lets ship this steel off to be recycled".

. Steel is steel. All you need is a few seperate pieces from the building to be able to test the physicalities of it.

[DMBBeav]

Not for nothing but, I don't recall any interviews of any persons claiming that they saw an airplane actually hit the Pentagon, unlike you see with the World Trade Center. There were tons and tons and tons of interviews in NYC. Actually, there was hardly any converage of the Pentagon being hit. I can't remember the name of the broadcaster, but he even said that day that "it doesn't look like a plane crashed anywhere near here".

And as far as the money thing, do you think that raising $10,000 for the truth movement is making anybody rich? Alex Jones does take donations, but he speaks of the New World Order, which is something completely different then the conspiracy on 9/11. If you belive in the New World Order, then yes, it plays a role, but most of the people seeking truth or answers are not affiliated with NWO.

The bold is basically what I find funny.

It is underdeveloped IQ. It actually is. Because you, yourself, don't see the videos, you suspect maybe they didn't happen. Toddlers think this way because their brain isn't fully developed. And you hear what one reporter says and you use that as evidence? Just...just think about it.

[DMBBeav]

The answer is simple psychology. The Pentagon was a military target, the headquarters of the US military. The World Trade Center was a civilian target full of "innocents" as opposed to men in uniform. Thus, sympathy (and therefore viewership) is drawn to the WTC. Plus, 125 people died in the Pentagon, as opposed to 2,603 in New York, so again the sympathy goes there. One could also argue that with broadcast journalism being overrun by ultra-left liberals, the fact that the headquarters of the US military was hit was probably seen as good news, and therefore not appropriate for the sombre post-9/11 coverage. But that is a matter of opinion.


But more than anything else, the towers are a terribly memorable image. They are big buildings that were no more. The Pentagon was a...pentagon shaped building that looked like someone had bombed and....OMG, IT WAS THE GOVERNMENT. A plane crash doesn't look like that!!!!

[Koreelove]

The bold is basically what I find funny.

It is underdeveloped IQ. It actually is. Because you, yourself, don't see the videos, you suspect maybe they didn't happen. Toddlers think this way because their brain isn't fully developed. And you hear what one reporter says and you use that as evidence? Just...just think about it.


Glad to amuse you. I was stating that in my personal experience I didn't recall anyone saying anything about the Pentagon. I was obsessed with watching the coverage as it unfolded. Only until recently did I start looking for more information, pictures, videos, ect. And honestly, a lot of what I have found that supports the official story has been PULLED from the internet, including pictures.

If you want to debunk me or offer me information, fine. Don't be a fucking asshole.

[hoefdj18]

In response to the premise of this thread, '9/11 consipracy', I think I saw Bigfoot and Little Miss BoPeep having a tea party while Chupcabra was waltzing with Wolfman Jack.

[bothedmbfan]

In response to the premise of this thread, '9/11 consipracy', I think I saw Bigfoot and Little Miss BoPeep having a tea party while Chupcabra was waltzing with Wolfman Jack.

Sweet.

[chiznaz]

Glad to amuse you. I was stating that in my personal experience I didn't recall anyone saying anything about the Pentagon. I was obsessed with watching the coverage as it unfolded. Only until recently did I start looking for more information, pictures, videos, ect. And honestly, a lot of what I have found that supports the official story has been PULLED from the internet, including pictures.

If you want to debunk me or offer me information, fine. Don't be a fucking asshole.

I personally know someone who was picking up the chard remains of people at the pentagon. He combed through the wreckage looking for people. Trust me (him) when I say a friggin plane hit the building. Find another damn hobby than 9/11 conspiracies.

[charles3441]

Ive done a fair amount of reasearch on this in the past year and i must say, i find some things to be fishy, and then i feel like i'm going crazy. I'm very torn on it, and love reading as much as I can about it. I'm not 100 percent convinced that our government did this to their own buildings, but I am however open to the possability of this, its not that insane of a thing to happen, but now i feel crazy again for even saying that. I will read every link i see in this thread, its very interesting to me.

[dre2142]

Glad to amuse you. I was stating that in my personal experience I didn't recall anyone saying anything about the Pentagon. I was obsessed with watching the coverage as it unfolded. Only until recently did I start looking for more information, pictures, videos, ect. And honestly, a lot of what I have found that supports the official story has been PULLED from the internet, including pictures.

If you want to debunk me or offer me information, fine. Don't be a fucking asshole.

Though his delivery was a little harsh, the point he brought forth is very true.....

[mattd258]

Consider this. Whether or not you are even able to awaken to the mass lies that have been instilled into your brains by all the propaganda they spit through the speakers, the OFFICIAL government's account of 9/11 is a CONSPIRACY. 19 Muslim men conspired to hijack aircraft and crash them into high profile targets.

The definitition of conspiracy: an evil, unlawful, treacherous, or surreptitious plan formulated in secret by two or more persons; plot.

Therefore, if you believe the "official" story that has been spoon-fed to us, are you not a conspiracy theorist as well?

The documentaries they show on the corporate owned history channel and national geographic use the term conspiracy theorist hundreds of times. The reason they do this is because as soon as someone hears that term, they immediately garner a negative connotation about that word. Conspiracy=CRAZY to them and this is just one of the many ways they portray those questioning the perceived reality as being some loony nutjob who has zero credibility.

To those out there who are still trying to wake people up, sometimes no matter how much evidence or information you give to someone, they won't wake up until they are ready to accept that the world we live in isn't the happy, loving, and caring place they WISH it was. Their mind is incapable of thinking outside the limits it has been conditioned to stay within and shuts down when faced with the reality that almost everything the government or media says about 911 is false.

I'm not saying that the media or even our government is responsible or behind these lies, its just that 99% of them actually believe what they are being told to be true. It's called compartmentalization, and its how this shit is successfully carried out time and time again. You are told what you need to know, when you need to know, and if you aren't willing to play your part, theres an infinite supply of those who are willing to. Any coming forth with inside information would be labeled a crackpot and would also be without their job. This is why many who actually do have some knowledge about something don't bring this to our attention, for fear of being labeled unpatriotic.

And on a final note, the main hurdle people seem to have with believing that this was a controlled event is that there would have to be 1000s of workers, responders, and others who would have to be silent and not come out. Lets not forget about the Manhattan Project. This secret "conspiracy" involved over 130,000 workers and resulted in the world's first nuclear bomb that nobody in the general population had the slightest clue about until after they were detonated in Japan. And most of them hadn't a clue as to what they were working on, thanks to the compartmentalization of the project.

"I always question the perceived reality." - George Carlin, when asked about the possibility of 9/11 being an inside job.

[Jake]

I didn't even read that, and I ain't quoting it. You're fucking crazy and stupid. No "conspiracy".

[FunkyTeaParty]

You should have read it.

You played right into his hands.

[dre2142]

blah blah blah

[DMBBeav]

I didn't even read that, and I ain't quoting it. You're fucking crazy and stupid. No "conspiracy".

He first outlined the textbook definiton of conspiracy theorist because even if you believe the government's 'explanation', it is a theory on a conspiracy(GET IT???). I am blurry onto the point of this, which again falls right into my conspiracy theory that people who can believe such a thing have an inherently low IQ. It also kind of reminds me of other threads on Ants where someone is making a really good point and disproving the popular opinion within the thread, and then someone picks apart a piece of grammar within that person's post to discredit their point instead of addressing the content therein.

He then goes into a bunch of rambling about how we are all zombies for not questioning what we are told. He uses six words George Carlin strung together once to ram this point home.

[Jake]

He first outlined the textbook definiton of conspiracy theorist because even if you believe the government's 'explanation', it is a theory on a conspiracy(GET IT???). I am blurry onto the point of this, which again falls right into my conspiracy theory that people who can believe such a thing have an inherently low IQ. It also kind of reminds me of other threads on Ants where someone is making a really good point and disproving the popular opinion within the thread, and then someone picks apart a piece of grammar within that person's post to discredit their point instead of addressing the content therein.

He then goes into a bunch of rambling about how we are all zombies for not questioning what we are told. He uses six words George Carlin strung together once to ram this point home.

you should work for cliff's notes.


so, he said nothing, really

[FunkyTeaParty]

I think he called you a lemming.

And then he said he doesn't have to respect someone based on their title.

I think you should ban him.

[Jake]

I think he called you a lemming.

And then he said he doesn't have to respect someone based on their title.

I think you should ban him.



I kinda agree with that. Title does not dictate behavior. I think Randal said that first.


Maybe that's why I have so few friends from my previous jobs :cool




you still haven't ban someone... you should take out one of those raging Republicans, just to let em know where you're from.

[mattd258]

You should have read it.

You played right into his hands.

you sure did jake. go back to sleep now. think happy thoughts. everythings ok, you have nothing to worry about.

thanks for pointing out how ignorant and how much of a worthless waste of life you are to everybody watching this thread. if you didn't read my post, then why would you even take the time to comment about it? if you don't have anything to add to the discussion or make a point about, then there really there isn't a need for you to blatantly dismiss my comments nor is there a need for you to label me as a stupid fucking crazy person. i see that your a member of the staff here at antsmarching. what a wonderful example your setting as a representative for this community.

with that said, dmbbeav- your comments bring out your true brilliance... lets try to break this down.

"I am blurry onto the point of this, which again falls right into my conspiracy theory that people who can believe such a thing have an inherently low IQ."

I am blurry onto the point of this? are you kidding me? i'm the one with the low IQ?? at least what i write is comprehensible and is written in correct english! seriously, I am having a hell of a time trying to decipher just what in the fuck you were trying to say with that. if you have nothing to add to the discussion besides a poorly explained recap of my own thoughts, then get like Jake and find something better to do with your time.

[jimibadfish]

you sure did jake. go back to sleep now. think happy thoughts. everythings ok, you have nothing to worry about.

thanks for pointing out how ignorant and how much of a worthless waste of life you are to everybody watching this thread. if you didn't read my post, then why would you even take the time to comment about it? if you don't have anything to add to the discussion or make a point about, then there really there isn't a need for you to blatantly dismiss my comments nor is there a need for you to label me as a stupid fucking crazy person. i see that your a member of the staff here at antsmarching. what a wonderful example your setting as a representative for this community.

with that said, dmbbeav- your comments bring out your true brilliance... lets try to break this down.

"I am blurry onto the point of this, which again falls right into my conspiracy theory that people who can believe such a thing have an inherently low IQ."

I am blurry onto the point of this? are you kidding me? i'm the one with the low IQ?? at least what i write is comprehensible and is written in correct english! seriously, I am having a hell of a time trying to decipher just what in the fuck you were trying to say with that. if you have nothing to add to the discussion besides a poorly explained recap of my own thoughts, then get like Jake and find something better to do with your time.

SOUND LOGIC > good grammar

[RavenMaven]

...you sure did jake. go back to sleep now. think happy thoughts. everythings ok, you have nothing to worry about...

...thanks for pointing out how ignorant and how much of a worthless waste of life you are to everybody watching this thread...what a wonderful example your setting as a representative for this community...



Jake, if you were ever looking for a good sig, this has got to be it :lol

[FunkyTeaParty]

I was joking about the ban, but now.........

[FunkyTeaParty]

you still haven't ban someone... you should take out one of those raging Republicans, just to let em know where you're from.

I'm not ant-Republican I'm anti-Bush. I think I'm more Republican than Bush is.

[TieDyedDad]

I personally know someone who was picking up the chard remains of people at the pentagon. He combed through the wreckage looking for people. Trust me (him) when I say a friggin plane hit the building. Find another damn hobby than 9/11 conspiracies.

:thumbsup

I was also on duty during 9/11, except at the Trade Center. Not only, did I pick up pieces of dead Americans. I personally handled wreckage from both AA Flight 11 and UA Flight 175. In fact there were large green dumpsters with FAA spraypainted in orange lettering where all the wreckage from the aircraft went. I witnessed things there that will stay with me forever.

[TieDyedDad]

I hadn't seen this before. I was refering to the day that it all happened. I was glued to the tv for weeks and I don't remember too many witness interviews that were on tv. Accourding to the this there were not HUNDREDS, but a fair about I suppose......23 saw an American Airlines Jet crash. Which is fine, all you need is one right?

I'm here looking for al angels and I appreciate the info, it's important.

Wreckage from AA Flight 77 on the lawn of the pentagon....

http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0WTefUeRWdISCwB5AWjzbkF/SIG=126k5ajkq/EXP=1214813854/**http%3A//www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/photowreck.jpg

[TieDyedDad]

I did find 3 articles and 1 video of experts analyzing WTC 1, 2 and 7, but all of them have been pulled from the internet. I did find one that explained that the towers fell by fire, but there was no mention of WTC 7. I did however come across this expert who had a some interesting conclusions to all three collapses, it's worth a look

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkZMQAC95kI&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgoSOQ2xrbI

I don't think it's crazy to want to know some answers. We've been given the 9/11 Commission report and told to look at it like it's the end all be all of what happened. The fact that WTC 7 wasn't even mentioned is reason enough to raise some questions. It's filled with holes with reason to ask questions regarding it's content. Why was an independent investigation rejected? Shouldn't the people have a say as well, hiring their own experts and what not? If there is nothing to hide, then what's the problem? Truth be told, we will most likely never know the full truth of WTC 7 considering that all the evidence was shipped off to Asia to be recyled.

We spend years and years looking for who killed JonBenet Ramsey, yet we spend 5 minutes on 9/11. Sorry, but it just doesn't make sense to me.


Dear God. Here we go again. WTC 7 was located directly across Vescey Street from WTC 1. The collapse of WTC 1 did structural damage to 7 as well as the fires that raged out of control in 7 for about 5 or 6 six hours. FDNY was a little busy looking for their missing brothers and still fighting fires in WTC 5 and 6 to worry all that much about 7. Also, a big deal has been made about the Larry Silverstein comment "Pull it". That comment has been taken out of context so badly, its almost laughable. Silverstein's comment was made to the acting Chief Of Department for FDNY, since Chief Ganci was missing and later recovered. Silverstein was asked if he wanted FDNY to continue to battle the fire in 7, it became apparent quickly the builiding was not salvagable. Silverstein said "Pull it", referring to the rescue and firefighting operations ongoing in 7. He did not want the FDNY to suffer any more losses, saving a building that was coming down anyway. It had NOTHING to do, with an deliberate implosion of that building.

[Jake]

Read what that guy said - he was fucking there. Rather than read some bullshit website, why not listen to the people who were there? Enough with the wreckage not being planes, the guy said he picked up plane pieces himself.


My God people, what ever happened to the good ole days when people just masturbated when they got bored, rather than thinking up ways that the government caused 9/11?

[haildmb]

with that said, dmbbeav- your comments bring out your true brilliance... lets try to break this down.


Some break down: you analyzed a whole three words from his post

[Dads_obsessed]

Read what that guy said - he was fucking there. Rather than read some bullshit website, why not listen to the people who were there? Enough with the wreckage not being planes, the guy said he picked up plane pieces himself.


My God people, what ever happened to the good ole days when people just masturbated when they got bored, rather than thinking up ways that the government caused 9/11?

Oh the Irony......:lol

Lets see if anybody picks up on it.

[~Crashintome89~]

Dear God. Here we go again. WTC 7 was located directly across Vescey Street from WTC 1. The collapse of WTC 1 did structural damage to 7 as well as the fires that raged out of control in 7 for about 5 or 6 six hours. FDNY was a little busy looking for their missing brothers and still fighting fires in WTC 5 and 6 to worry all that much about 7. Also, a big deal has been made about the Larry Silverstein comment "Pull it". That comment has been taken out of context so badly, its almost laughable. Silverstein's comment was made to the acting Chief Of Department for FDNY, since Chief Ganci was missing and later recovered. Silverstein was asked if he wanted FDNY to continue to battle the fire in 7, it became apparent quickly the builiding was not salvagable. Silverstein said "Pull it", referring to the rescue and firefighting operations ongoing in 7. He did not want the FDNY to suffer any more losses, saving a building that was coming down anyway. It had NOTHING to do, with an deliberate implosion of that building.

Quoted for truth....

You win 1,000 Schrute bucks.

[Thegravedigger]

Consider this. Whether or not you are even able to awaken to the mass lies that have been instilled into your brains by all the propaganda they spit through the speakers, the OFFICIAL government's account of 9/11 is a CONSPIRACY. 19 Muslim men conspired to hijack aircraft and crash them into high profile targets.

The definitition of conspiracy: an evil, unlawful, treacherous, or surreptitious plan formulated in secret by two or more persons; plot.

Therefore, if you believe the "official" story that has been spoon-fed to us, are you not a conspiracy theorist as well?

The documentaries they show on the corporate owned history channel and national geographic use the term conspiracy theorist hundreds of times. The reason they do this is because as soon as someone hears that term, they immediately garner a negative connotation about that word. Conspiracy=CRAZY to them and this is just one of the many ways they portray those questioning the perceived reality as being some loony nutjob who has zero credibility.

To those out there who are still trying to wake people up, sometimes no matter how much evidence or information you give to someone, they won't wake up until they are ready to accept that the world we live in isn't the happy, loving, and caring place they WISH it was. Their mind is incapable of thinking outside the limits it has been conditioned to stay within and shuts down when faced with the reality that almost everything the government or media says about 911 is false.

I'm not saying that the media or even our government is responsible or behind these lies, its just that 99% of them actually believe what they are being told to be true. It's called compartmentalization, and its how this shit is successfully carried out time and time again. You are told what you need to know, when you need to know, and if you aren't willing to play your part, theres an infinite supply of those who are willing to. Any coming forth with inside information would be labeled a crackpot and would also be without their job. This is why many who actually do have some knowledge about something don't bring this to our attention, for fear of being labeled unpatriotic.

And on a final note, the main hurdle people seem to have with believing that this was a controlled event is that there would have to be 1000s of workers, responders, and others who would have to be silent and not come out. Lets not forget about the Manhattan Project. This secret "conspiracy" involved over 130,000 workers and resulted in the world's first nuclear bomb that nobody in the general population had the slightest clue about until after they were detonated in Japan. And most of them hadn't a clue as to what they were working on, thanks to the compartmentalization of the project.

"I always question the perceived reality." - George Carlin, when asked about the possibility of 9/11 being an inside job.

Here! Here!

:thumbsup

Full Active Duty Marine here. 11 years of proven Patriotism paid for in my own blood and that of my fellow Marines.

YOUR GOVERNMENT LIED TO YOU. About the attacks on 9/11, the War in Iraq, and this amazingly rediculous "war on terror," which YOU will allow our idiotic leadership to continue to base future attacks on defenseless countries under the assumption (NO EVIDENCE) that they harbor terrorists and possess nuclear weapons.

IE: IRAN :rolleyes

"The War on Terrorism" is a scam.

Deal with it.

[TieDyedDad]

Here! Here!

:thumbsup

Full Active Duty Marine here. 11 years of proven Patriotism paid for in my own blood and that of my fellow Marines.

YOUR GOVERNMENT LIED TO YOU. About the attacks on 9/11, the War in Iraq, and this amazingly rediculous "war on terror," which YOU will allow our idiotic leadership to continue to base future attacks on defenseless countries under the assumption (NO EVIDENCE) that they harbor terrorists and possess nuclear weapons.

IE: IRAN :rolleyes

"The War on Terrorism" is a scam.

Deal with it.

Horsecrap. As a Marine, you should know better. Thanks for your service, I also spent 8 years in the Army. The goverment did not "lie" to anyone about 9/11, show some evidence if you have any. They "lied" about Iraq? You mean the WMD, that the Clinton administration said they had? The British government said they had? The WMD that the UN said they had?? Here is the truth, in all reality, we could have invaded Iraq at any time. After the Gulf War, there was no "surrender" only a ceasefire based on Iraq's cooperation and submitting to UN sanctions and conditions. Iraq did not live up to any of the conditions they agreed to in order to have the gulf war end. They violated every single one of those conditions. If Bush had any brains, he would have used that as the reason for invading Iraq.

[TheMakerDMB17]

9/11 was an inside job

[malarks26]

9/11 was an inside job

The thing that still puzzles me to this day is the fact that there was no plane debris from United Flight 93 at that crash site and from the plane that slammed into the Pentagon. I mean WTF?! Where'd it all go?

[Tiduwho]

The thing that still puzzles me to this day is the fact that there was no plane debris from United Flight 93 at that crash site and from the plane that slammed into the Pentagon. I mean WTF?! Where'd it all go?

Post #799. ^^


And wow.

[DMBBeav]

The thing that still puzzles me to this day is the fact that there was no plane debris from United Flight 93 at that crash site and from the plane that slammed into the Pentagon. I mean WTF?! Where'd it all go?

You are being sarcastic, right?

[malarks26]

^Ya think? lol

[DMBBeav]

^Ya think? lol

Good. I mean, it wouldn't be out of the question if you weren't. Look around this thread.

[haildmb]

The thing that still puzzles me to this day is the fact that there was no plane debris from United Flight 93 at that crash site and from the plane that slammed into the Pentagon. I mean WTF?! Where'd it all go?

I know! Cause that hasn't been answered or anything... a billion times...

[Thegravedigger]

Horsecrap. As a Marine, you should know better. Thanks for your service, I also spent 8 years in the Army. The goverment did not "lie" to anyone about 9/11, show some evidence if you have any. They "lied" about Iraq? You mean the WMD, that the Clinton administration said they had? The British government said they had? The WMD that the UN said they had?? Here is the truth, in all reality, we could have invaded Iraq at any time. After the Gulf War, there was no "surrender" only a ceasefire based on Iraq's cooperation and submitting to UN sanctions and conditions. Iraq did not live up to any of the conditions they agreed to in order to have the gulf war end. They violated every single one of those conditions. If Bush had any brains, he would have used that as the reason for invading Iraq.

What should I know better about??? Please explain. Because I question my own governments integrity??? Because I have the ability to think and do research, draw my own conclusions and therefore opinions. I may be a Jarhead, but i'm not a "sheep." There is a silver lining on every cloud. I think the bigger issue here is that people like you refuse to believe that your own government would ever DO YOU WRONG. We're talking about human beings for Gods sake! Your sadly mistaken my friend. There are some serious issues out there that most people won't even acknowledge until it hits them right between the eyes. Even bigger than the lies about 9/11 and the Iraq War is the way this government is downplaying the reality of Peak Oil and the imminent crash of the worlds economy. When the big auto makers are closing down (not cutting back) closing down their truck and SUV plants that should be a clear sign that the gas crisis is not going away. BUT THAT IS ANOTHER TOPIC.

Just because I put on this uniform everyday doesn't exclude from the right to think and to seek the truth.

Open up your EYES!!!

[Thegravedigger]

My God people, what ever happened to the good ole days when people just masturbated when they got bored, rather than thinking up ways that the government caused 9/11?


:lol :thumbsup

[bothedmbfan]

I think Rachel Ray was behind the whole thing.

[TieDyedDad]

What should I know better about??? Please explain. Because I question my own governments integrity??? Because I have the ability to think and do research, draw my own conclusions and therefore opinions. I may be a Jarhead, but i'm not a "sheep." There is a silver lining on every cloud. I think the bigger issue here is that people like you refuse to believe that your own government would ever DO YOU WRONG. We're talking about human beings for Gods sake! Your sadly mistaken my friend. There are some serious issues out there that most people won't even acknowledge until it hits them right between the eyes. Even bigger than the lies about 9/11 and the Iraq War is the way this government is downplaying the reality of Peak Oil and the imminent crash of the worlds economy. When the big auto makers are closing down (not cutting back) closing down their truck and SUV plants that should be a clear sign that the gas crisis is not going away. BUT THAT IS ANOTHER TOPIC.

Just because I put on this uniform everyday doesn't exclude from the right to think and to seek the truth.

Open up your EYES!!!

Brother,

I dont think putting on a uniform everyday means you shouldnt seek the truth. That is the essence of why both of us got/get up and put the uniform on everyday. I just feel as Military people, (you, active. me, a vet) the general public puts more stock into what we say, than some jody on the street. If you firmly believed you were lied to about 9/11, by your government, there is nothing I can say to you to change your mind. I also know there is nothing you can say to change mine. So I wish you Godspeed downrange, be safe and maybe we will share an adult beverage at an FOB somewhere. Semper Fi.

[dre2142]

What should I know better about??? Please explain. Because I question my own governments integrity???

Then why did you join the military, which is run by the government? You put your trust in the government by doing so.

Brother,

I dont think putting on a uniform everyday means you shouldnt seek the truth. That is the essence of why both of us got/get up and put the uniform on everyday. I just feel as Military people, (you, active. me, a vet) the general public puts more stock into what we say, than some jody on the street. If you firmly believed you were lied to about 9/11, by your government, there is nothing I can say to you to change your mind. I also know there is nothing you can say to change mine. So I wish you Godspeed downrange, be safe and maybe we will share an adult beverage at an FOB somewhere. Semper Fi.

:thumbsup

[MistreatedLewis]

What should I know better about??? Please explain. Because I question my own governments integrity??? Because I have the ability to think and do research, draw my own conclusions and therefore opinions. I may be a Jarhead, but i'm not a "sheep." There is a silver lining on every cloud. I think the bigger issue here is that people like you refuse to believe that your own government would ever DO YOU WRONG. We're talking about human beings for Gods sake! Your sadly mistaken my friend. There are some serious issues out there that most people won't even acknowledge until it hits them right between the eyes. Even bigger than the lies about 9/11 and the Iraq War is the way this government is downplaying the reality of Peak Oil and the imminent crash of the worlds economy. When the big auto makers are closing down (not cutting back) closing down their truck and SUV plants that should be a clear sign that the gas crisis is not going away. BUT THAT IS ANOTHER TOPIC.

Just because I put on this uniform everyday doesn't exclude from the right to think and to seek the truth.

Open up your EYES!!!

This is why I'm saying fuck the car industry! I'm not going near it. Maybe I can get a job as a full time member of DMB, which according to some people in DMBc should net me a cool $50K!

[Styx Cover Band]

I was just reading some 9/11 conspiracy theories because of an article on Digg, some of it is just hilarious stuff, others make you think for a second

[EZakre]

What should I know better about??? Please explain. Because I question my own governments integrity??? Because I have the ability to think and do research, draw my own conclusions and therefore opinions. I may be a Jarhead, but i'm not a "sheep." There is a silver lining on every cloud. I think the bigger issue here is that people like you refuse to believe that your own government would ever DO YOU WRONG. We're talking about human beings for Gods sake! Your sadly mistaken my friend. There are some serious issues out there that most people won't even acknowledge until it hits them right between the eyes. Even bigger than the lies about 9/11 and the Iraq War is the way this government is downplaying the reality of Peak Oil and the imminent crash of the worlds economy. When the big auto makers are closing down (not cutting back) closing down their truck and SUV plants that should be a clear sign that the gas crisis is not going away. BUT THAT IS ANOTHER TOPIC.

Just because I put on this uniform everyday doesn't exclude from the right to think and to seek the truth.

Open up your EYES!!!

Go to college. And take some courses in economics while you're there.

[Thegravedigger]

Go to college. And take some courses in economics while you're there.

Why is that? Have you? Were my comments about Peak Oil and the Big Auto Makers that far fetched? Feel free to elaborate.

Join the military. Get a taste of reality while your there.

[Thegravedigger]

Then why did you join the military, which is run by the government? You put your trust in the government by doing so.




Does it bother you to hear someone who serves in YOUR military to say these things? Does it make you uneasy? I joined the Marine Corps in 1997. How old were you in 1997? Did you have your own bedroom yet?

[zajDmB1]

can a world economy really crash? wouldn't we all just say, Hey! Let's start over!

[EZakre]

Why is that? Have you? Were my comments about Peak Oil and the Big Auto Makers that far fetched? Feel free to elaborate.

Join the military. Get a taste of reality while your there.

I have. A better school than you. I majored in econ. There is no evidence that the world's economy is coming crashing down. Crude is currently overpriced and almost definitely in a bubble. From '73 to '74, crude prices rose by 96.8%. This was clearly due to a reduction in supply, illustrated by the long lines at the pumps and what not. From 2007 to today, we have seen a 125% gain in crude prices. This jump, however, has not come congruently with the tangible subsequent effects one would expect to see with a reduction in supply.

People are panicking prematurely. Sure, it is important that we work towards new sources of energy, but that will take time. It is imperative that we begin drilling here in order to ease our populations collective mind while concurrently working towards a new source of energy. This will facilitate our nation's transition to a new system.

In the mean time, all of us down on Wall St. will continue to make money off of this massive over-reaction by the general public. :lol

[dre2142]

Does it bother you to hear someone who serves in YOUR military to say these things? Does it make you uneasy? I joined the Marine Corps in 1997. How old were you in 1997? Did you have your own bedroom yet?

Awesome! NICE ASSUMPTIONS asshat.

Ill make my own assumptions then...how old were you when you joined the Marine Corp in 1997? 19, correct? We're the same age, so enough with the stupid ass assumptions and sarcastic comments. Dont fall into the trap that many others do when they argue about this subject.....
Looks like I had my own bedroom before you then, as I wasnt sharing it with 50 other guys :)

It was a few years later until I did that at the barracks. (not military, but government, yes)

[EZakre]

Awesome! NICE ASSUMPTIONS asshat.

Ill make my own assumptions then...how old were you when you joined the Marine Corp in 1997? 19, correct? We're the same age, so enough with the stupid ass assumptions and sarcastic comments. Dont fall into the trap that many others do when they argue about this subject.....
Looks like I had my own bedroom before you then, as I wasnt sharing it with 50 other guys :)

It was a few years later until I did that at the barracks. (not military, but government, yes)

He must have been in the military at 19. This economic flat-earther was surely not in college. Maybe he should join Congress! :lol

[Tiduwho]

Does it bother you to hear someone who serves in YOUR military to say these things? Does it make you uneasy? I joined the Marine Corps in 1997. How old were you in 1997? Did you have your own bedroom yet?

:rolleyes

What is with all of these unthinking clones? They all repeat the same lines that they've been fed or heard from the other conspiracy sheep.

There's no originality these days. :lol

[Hop_Sing]

Anybody who thinks that the 9/11 attacks were the work of the US government needs to get a fucking life. The president can't get a blowjob without the whole world finding out about it. How the fuck could they pull off something like 9/11?

Get a hobby. They sell model airplanes at toy-r-us...

[WHO DEY!!!]

Anybody who thinks that the 9/11 attacks were the work of the US government needs to get a fucking life. The president can't get a blowjob without the whole world finding out about it. How the fuck could they pull off something like 9/11?

Get a hobby. They sell model airplanes at toy-r-us...


You my friend are absolutley clueless!!! I will start a new thread b/c I cant believe that there isnt one out here. YOu need to research some things such as teh New World Order, The Trillateral , The Committee on Foreign Relations. Why dont you look into the European Union!!

[WHO DEY!!!]

"We shall have world government whether or not we like it. The only question is whether world govenrment will be achieved by conquest or consent."

Paul Warburg
Council on Foreign Relations/Architecht of the Federal Reserve


Look up that family name

[Tomriddle]

Why dont you look into the European Union!!

Is that slang for fuck off?

[WHO DEY!!!]

Is that slang for fuck off?


Oh Tom..u are such a fuckstick!! I wouldnt expect you to be able to expand your mind aynways. So dont bother buddy! Douchebag!

[dre2142]

Start a new thread? WHY?

[zajDmB1]

You my friend are absolutley clueless!!! I will start a new thread b/c I cant believe that there isnt one out here. YOu need to research some things such as teh New World Order, The Trillateral , The Committee on Foreign Relations. Why dont you look into the European Union!!

heres what i ask every conspiracy theorist and i have NEVER gotten an answer:

Why would the gov't go through all the trouble of lying and fiddling around to link irag to al-qaeda when they could have just as easily just said it was iraq all along. Who would have known the people were saudis, not iraqis. No one.If people bought into WMDs they would have just as easily bought into the idea that Iraqi nationals or something flew into the WTC.

The fact that they did something that stupid, trying to find arbitrary links and flat out lying about connections prove that they had no idea what the hell they were doing.

[TwoStep2888]

Wow, this thread's just full of crazy today!

[Beefsteak1138]

Oh Tom..u are such a fuckstick!! I wouldnt expect you to be able to expand your mind aynways. So dont bother buddy! Douchebag!

I hate when people say this shit when you simply don't agree with them.

[Tomriddle]

Oh Tom..u are such a fuckstick!! I wouldnt expect you to be able to expand your mind aynways. So dont bother buddy! Douchebag!

Why dont you look into the European Union!!

[TwoStep2888]

I hate when people say this shit when you simply don't agree with them.

Oh Beetus..u are such a fuckstick!! I wouldnt expect you to be able to expand your mind aynways. So dont bother buddy! Douchebag!

[WHO DEY!!!]

I hate when people say this shit when you simply don't agree with them.


Well then do some research and you will realize that Tom is infatuated with me and follows me around to post little one liners jsut like he did here.

I dont care if people agree. The simple fact is that most of the info out there is undisputed. Its jsut not mainstream

[Beefsteak1138]

Well then do some research and you will realize that Tom is infatuated with me and follows me around to post little one liners jsut like he did here.

I dont care if people agree. The simple fact is that most of the info out there is undisputed. Its jsut not mainstream

Don't get all pissy just because Tom is right and you're not.

[zajDmB1]

Well then do some research and you will realize that Tom is infatuated with me and follows me around to post little one liners jsut like he did here.

I dont care if people agree. The simple fact is that most of the info out there is undisputed. Its jsut not mainstream

you gonna answer my question??

[Tomriddle]

Well then do some research and you will realize that Tom is infatuated with me and follows me around to post little one liners jsut like he did here.


:ugh:ugh:ugh I dont know you

[WHO DEY!!!]

heres what i ask every conspiracy theorist and i have NEVER gotten an answer:

Why would the gov't go through all the trouble of lying and fiddling around to link irag to al-qaeda when they could have just as easily just said it was iraq all along. Who would have known the people were saudis, not iraqis. No one.If people bought into WMDs they would have just as easily bought into the idea that Iraqi nationals or something flew into the WTC.

The fact that they did something that stupid, trying to find arbitrary links and flat out lying about connections prove that they had no idea what the hell they were doing.

I WILL ANSWER FOR YOU!!

The reason that this type of thing occurs is because the one thing that promotes the agenda if the Illuminati and the NWO can be summed up by one simple word. CONFLICT!!!

All secret societies including the Skull and Bones, the Masons, Key and Scroll, etc.... dont specifially talk about CONFILCT or creating it. What they talk about and do is simply Manage Confilct to perpetuate their agenda. Its that simple. Im working ons some stuff for you. Gotta go to class but I will get it on here soon.


Conflict creates clashes among the minions. For example. John Kerry and George Bush are known Bonesmen. This is fact, look it up. However, there is no real conflict between them and it causes no problems within the society....why is this?? Because either way they win!!! They are one in the same. The goal is centralized power. Power is created through their wealth, their wealth is created most simply ....by the Federal Reserve. Who created that ??? Rockefellers, Warburgs, Harrimans, Russells, Bushes, Walkers......it goes on and on.

[WHO DEY!!!]

you gonna answer my question??


i did!!!

[Crazy#41]

I don't believe in bombs in the towers... or missile hitting pentagon or anything.. [except F93, but dont wanna get into it]

But the look on Bush's face when they told him a plane hit the tower.. then a 2nd. makes me believe he MAY have knew something was gonna happen..

Also, WTC7. Fires brought it down, I guess. I didn't look into it enough.. but what about the oklahoma city bombing... That mo-fo was busted WIDE open from a bomb and they STILL had to use more explosives to bring it down, after the event..

fishy?

[DMBBeav]

I WILL ANSWER FOR YOU!!

The reason that this type of thing occurs is because the one thing that promotes the agenda if the Illuminati and the NWO can be summed up by one simple word. CONFLICT!!!

All secret societies including the Skull and Bones, the Masons, Key and Scroll, etc.... dont specifially talk about CONFILCT or creating it. What they talk about and do is simply Manage Confilct to perpetuate their agenda. Its that simple. Im working ons some stuff for you. Gotta go to class but I will get it on here soon.


Conflict creates clashes among the minions. For example. John Kerry and George Bush are known Bonesmen. This is fact, look it up. However, there is no real conflict between them and it causes no problems within the society....why is this?? Because either way they win!!! They are one in the same. The goal is centralized power. Power is created through their wealth, their wealth is created most simply ....by the Federal Reserve. Who created that ??? Rockefellers, Warburgs, Harrimans, Russells, Bushes, Walkers......it goes on and on.

You first two paragraphs speak to a theory that is total speculation and is great fodder for fiction and doesn't really answer the question. Let's say your sci-fi theory was totally true, there are surely easier ways to skin the cat than what has occurred in our history.

Your third paragraph takes a coincidental link between Kerry and Bush and runs with it to the endzone.

I am fascinated by the warped thinking of conspiracy theorists. One thing I have noticed is they take fun facts with zero substance, add them up and create something. However, again, 0+0+0=0.

Another thing is they have fear of things they aren't a part of / don't understand. They think people of higher power are all in line with one another and it is this barrier that is keeping them(the conspiracy theorist) down.

[jiggajm18]

I don't believe in bombs in the towers... or missile hitting pentagon or anything.. [except F93, but dont wanna get into it]

But the look on Bush's face when they told him a plane hit the tower.. then a 2nd. makes me believe he MAY have knew something was gonna happen..

even if it was known that it was going to happen, they would have never told bush.

[zajDmB1]

I don't believe in bombs in the towers... or missile hitting pentagon or anything.. [except F93, but dont wanna get into it]

But the look on Bush's face when they told him a plane hit the tower.. then a 2nd. makes me believe he MAY have knew something was gonna happen..

Also, WTC7. Fires brought it down, I guess. I didn't look into it enough.. but what about the oklahoma city bombing... That mo-fo was busted WIDE open from a bomb and they STILL had to use more explosives to bring it down, after the event..

fishy?

i mean, not to necessarily defend bush, but I think that look is the look any human would make. It's sort of shock, sort of disbelief, sort of fuck these guys, sort ah crap, now I actually have to do something during my presidency.

And even if they had intel something was gonna happen in NYC, do you really think they would have shut down the city. People would still have gone to work, people would still ahve been in the WTC. Look at Katrina for a (sort of) comparison. Pleny of people refused to leave/change their way of life because of a storm.

There are many fishy instances about stuff, but I have heard what I take to be logical explanations for it all.

[Tomriddle]

I WILL ANSWER FOR YOU!!

The reason that this type of thing occurs is because the one thing that promotes the agenda if the Illuminati and the NWO can be summed up by one simple word. CONFLICT!!!

All secret societies including the Skull and Bones, the Masons, Key and Scroll, etc.... dont specifially talk about CONFILCT or creating it. What they talk about and do is simply Manage Confilct to perpetuate their agenda. Its that simple. Im working ons some stuff for you. Gotta go to class but I will get it on here soon.


Conflict creates clashes among the minions. For example. John Kerry and George Bush are known Bonesmen. This is fact, look it up. However, there is no real conflict between them and it causes no problems within the society....why is this?? Because either way they win!!! They are one in the same. The goal is centralized power. Power is created through their wealth, their wealth is created most simply ....by the Federal Reserve. Who created that ??? Rockefellers, Warburgs, Harrimans, Russells, Bushes, Walkers......it goes on and on.

Were you strapped upside down to the bottom of a pogo stick as an infant and sent bouncing through town?

[~Crashintome89~]

Also, WTC7. Fires brought it down, I guess. I didn't look into it enough.. but what about the oklahoma city bombing... That mo-fo was busted WIDE open from a bomb and they STILL had to use more explosives to bring it down, after the event..

fishy?

The bomb in the Oklahoma City bombing was in the basement, so I don't think it had the ability to take it all down.

While WTC 7 is an interesting point of view for a conspiracy, I think it just got damaged significantly from the other towers collasping, that management, and ultimately the FDNY decided to let it go and collapse on it's own because there was speculation on how bad the damage was in that building to the point where they were getting people out of the area for an immediate collapse.

[kyledmb]

even if it was known that it was going to happen, they would have never told bush.

well, i don't know exactly where i stand on this whole conspiracy theory deal...i have seen the reports and the claims and such, but i agree with you 100%.

I think people who blame bush for everything and say he was behind the terror attacks are giving him way too much credit.

[jiggajm18]

he (bush) is a puppet, there's not a chance in hell they would tell him. (and i'm not saying people did or did not know....just saying that IF they knew, bush wouldn't have been told)

[Koreelove]

I've tried and tired and tired to argue this point of conspiracy theories. Ultimately trying to get someone to believe in them is like trying to turn a gay person straight. It just doesn't happen. No one turned me on to any of the theories, I just happened to stumble upon some interesting web sites and decided to do some investigation. I'll tell ya, there is some interesting stuff out there.

At first, I was angry and tried to convince people of what I had thought, but that never works. So now I just sit back and see all the signs of the NWO in our path. It's crazy what an open mind and some research can do.

I don't hate America, I'm not completely sold on 9/11 (however WTC 7 and the Pentagon are HIGHLY questionable), but I do see everything else the media infiltrates to the American people as truth.

Sometimes I wish I never stumble upon this information...you know what they say, ignorance is bliss.

[bothedmbfan]

Rachel Ray did it.

[DMBBeav]

I've tried and tired and tired to argue this point of conspiracy theories. Ultimately trying to get someone to believe in them is like trying to turn a gay person straight. It just doesn't happen. No one turned me on to any of the theories, I just happened to stumble upon some interesting web sites and decided to do some investigation. I'll tell ya, there is some interesting stuff out there.

At first, I was angry and tried to convince people of what I had thought, but that never works. So now I just sit back and see all the signs of the NWO in our path. It's crazy what an open mind and some research can do.

I don't hate America, I'm not completely sold on 9/11 (however WTC 7 and the Pentagon are HIGHLY questionable), but I do see everything else the media infiltrates to the American people as truth.

Sometimes I wish I never stumble upon this information...you know what they say, ignorance is bliss.

I honestly believe people who believe in the 9/11 conspiracy have a low IQ. Period. I have proven this in their ability to not ask additional questions to the startling evidence that they find.

Again, 0+0+0+0+0=0. A bunch of coincidences that take speculation to turn into evidence does not equal evidence.

JFK conspiracy, in contrast, is different and one I am fascinated by. For starters and on a mere mechanical level, you have to assume a ridiculous level of luck and skill to even begin to believe it was just Oswald.

[Beefsteak1138]

I've tried and tired and tired to argue this point of conspiracy theories. Ultimately trying to get someone to believe in them is like trying to turn a gay person straight. It just doesn't happen. No one turned me on to any of the theories, I just happened to stumble upon some interesting web sites and decided to do some investigation. I'll tell ya, there is some interesting stuff out there.

At first, I was angry and tried to convince people of what I had thought, but that never works. So now I just sit back and see all the signs of the NWO in our path. It's crazy what an open mind and some research can do.

I don't hate America, I'm not completely sold on 9/11 (however WTC 7 and the Pentagon are HIGHLY questionable), but I do see everything else the media infiltrates to the American people as truth.

Sometimes I wish I never stumble upon this information...you know what they say, ignorance is bliss.

Since I don't think you're a raving lunatic like some people on here who will go unnamed, I'd be interested in reading some of the stuff you've stumbled upon.

[Crush086]

Rachel Ray did it.
So I've heard...

[bigeyefish22]

Well then do some research and you will realize that Tom is infatuated with me and follows me around to post little one liners jsut like he did here.

I dont care if people agree. The simple fact is that most of the info out there is undisputed. Its jsut not mainstream

I love that the paranoid conspiracy guy is paranoid about "Tom" following him around the forums... haha :lol

You have an Evil Monkey in your closet, too?

[Koreelove]

I honestly believe people who believe in the 9/11 conspiracy have a low IQ. Period. I have proven this in their ability to not ask additional questions to the startling evidence that they find.

Again, 0+0+0+0+0=0. A bunch of coincidences that take speculation to turn into evidence does not equal evidence.

JFK conspiracy, in contrast, is different and one I am fascinated by. For starters and on a mere mechanical level, you have to assume a ridiculous level of luck and skill to even begin to believe it was just Oswald.

ok, then read further into the JFK assassination and you can find evidence of the NWO. Like I said, I'm not completely sold on the 9/11 Conspiracy, but to say that there is no evidence supporting is ludacris. Statements like "maybe this happened", "it was probably this" or "it could have been this" hardly constitutes as hard evidence for WTC 7. And if this was the only collapse of it's kind, don't you think it should have been studied and analyzed so something like that does not happen again? Truth be told, the evidence of WTC 7 was shipped off immediately after is collapsed, so there is IS NO EVIDENCE. Not to mention it wasn't mentioned in the Commission Report. Asking questions about a complete structural failing of a steel frame building with no answer does not exhibit one with a low IQ.

[kyledmb]

he (bush) is a puppet, there's not a chance in hell they would tell him. (and i'm not saying people did or did not know....just saying that IF they knew, bush wouldn't have been told)

who is the puppet master? Rove? Cheney/Big Oil?

[Tomriddle]

who is the puppet master? Rove? Cheney/Big Oil?

The Riddler.

[Heavy As Stone]

The Riddler.

Jim Carey or (possibly) Johnny Depp version?

[jiggajm18]

who is the puppet master? Rove? Cheney/Big Oil?

is there sarcasm i'm supposed to be picking up?

[Tomriddle]

Jim Carey or (possibly) Johnny Depp version?

The one from the cartoons

[Koreelove]

Since I don't think you're a raving lunatic like some people on here who will go unnamed, I'd be interested in reading some of the stuff you've stumbled upon.

I'll send you some stuff on the airplanes used in the attacks. I looked further into the FAA websites, ect....interesting stuff.

Half the airplanes are listed as "destroyed" and the other half listed as "canceled".

I'm heavy into airplanes and i know how the FAA works. That's just a small taste...nothing to prove squat...but odd for a Feds :thumbsup

[kyledmb]

is there sarcasm i'm supposed to be picking up?

no, absolutely not. i was just seeing if you have an opinion...

i am not a huge fan of the people Bush surrounded himself with in the White House.

[jiggajm18]

no, absolutely not. i was just seeing if you have an opinion...

i am not a huge fan of the people Bush surrounded himself with in the White House.

gotcha.

well i think he's obsessed with living in his dad's footsteps. so he is easily brainwashed, he'll believe anything he is told by the people close to him. and since the people close to him want to promote the same agenda as him, they'll only tell him what he wants to hear. certainly cheney and rove played a big part in it. i'm on the fence about who i think did more damage.

[zajDmB1]

ok, then read further into the JFK assassination and you can find evidence of the NWO. Like I said, I'm not completely sold on the 9/11 Conspiracy, but to say that there is no evidence supporting is ludacris. Statements like "maybe this happened", "it was probably this" or "it could have been this" hardly constitutes as hard evidence for WTC 7. And if this was the only collapse of it's kind, don't you think it should have been studied and analyzed so something like that does not happen again? Truth be told, the evidence of WTC 7 was shipped off immediately after is collapsed, so there is IS NO EVIDENCE. Not to mention it wasn't mentioned in the Commission Report. Asking questions about a complete structural failing of a steel frame building with no answer does not exhibit one with a low IQ.

I'm pretty sure the WTC7 collapse was proved to have been due to the staggered gas or fuel or something tank positioning throughout the building, being they were on opposite sides of every 4 or 5 floors or something. Now, you can obviously say "suuuuuuure it was" but I feel like that is what theorists say about everything, just as non-theorists say about the stuff they don't believe.

[~Crashintome89~]

who is the puppet master? Rove? Cheney/Big Oil?

The Riddler.

Jim Carey or (possibly) Johnny Depp version?

No. This guy:

http://www.dialbforblog.com/archives/368/frank_gorshin_riddler3.jpg

[kyledmb]

gotcha.

well i think he's obsessed with living in his dad's footsteps. so he is easily brainwashed, he'll believe anything he is told by the people close to him. and since the people close to him want to promote the same agenda as him, they'll only tell him what he wants to hear. certainly cheney and rove played a big part in it. i'm on the fence about who i think did more damage.

i agree, and it is hard to come to an absolute conclusion without conjecture.

[jiggajm18]

I'm pretty sure the WTC7 collapse was proved to have been due to the staggered gas or fuel or something tank positioning throughout the building, being they were on opposite sides of every 4 or 5 floors or something. Now, you can obviously say "suuuuuuure it was" but I feel like that is what theorists say about everything, just as non-theorists say about the stuff they don't believe.

you don't help yourself here.

when trying to make a point, don't sound confused.

[zajDmB1]

you don't help yourself here.

when trying to make a point, don't sound confused.

the point is still there, you can look it up if you want to. It's better I say it that way than say propane when it's really tanks of chocolate.

[Koreelove]

I'm pretty sure the WTC7 collapse was proved to have been due to the staggered gas or fuel or something tank positioning throughout the building, being they were on opposite sides of every 4 or 5 floors or something. Now, you can obviously say "suuuuuuure it was" but I feel like that is what theorists say about everything, just as non-theorists say about the stuff they don't believe.

my point.

Point is, the government will not allow an independent investigation and they should. The government and only the government is privy to any evidence from 9/11. In order to be fair, I think an independent investigation should be granted. If there is nothing to hide, why not let outside experts investigate? And I'm not saying allow a group of crazies go at it, but a group of experts that can examine FACTS from the material of the attack sand so forth.

wait....they got rid of that stuff.

We will suffer if we always listen and take to heart what the government says. As a nation, we the people should have the right to look further and seek answers that we want. But we don't, we have put our full trust and safety in the hands of the them.

Remember people, always question everything. Believe none of what you hear and only half of what you see.

[bothedmbfan]

who is the puppet master? Rove? Cheney/Big Oil?

Rachel Ray.

[DMBBeav]

ok, then read further into the JFK assassination and you can find evidence of the NWO. Like I said, I'm not completely sold on the 9/11 Conspiracy, but to say that there is no evidence supporting is ludacris. Statements like "maybe this happened", "it was probably this" or "it could have been this" hardly constitutes as hard evidence for WTC 7. And if this was the only collapse of it's kind, don't you think it should have been studied and analyzed so something like that does not happen again? Truth be told, the evidence of WTC 7 was shipped off immediately after is collapsed, so there is IS NO EVIDENCE. Not to mention it wasn't mentioned in the Commission Report. Asking questions about a complete structural failing of a steel frame building with no answer does not exhibit one with a low IQ.

NWO is an all in one blame tool for people who want to put an identity on unexplained and or terrible events. It is a pathetic and easy out for blame for conspiracy theorists.

There is a lack of material evidence for WTC 7 but tons of reasonable theories for it. The reason it is dumb to use WTC 7 as an entryway into the conspiracy theory of 9/11 is that it is an aside to, you know, planes crashing into the WTC and one into the Pentagon(and one in PA).

Back to the JFK one, the fundamental, immediate questions are more suspect(you know, the who, how, why). 9/11 conspiracy theorists try to get away with this with the Pentagon(why NO PICTURES????) until they meet people who a) saw the plane b) saw the destruction.

[WHO DEY!!!]

even if it was known that it was going to happen, they would have never told bush.

YOu are a tool. Maybe you should start researching the Bush family. Start with Prescott Bush...IDIOT!!

They wouldnt tell them?? Are you kidding me?? They are like one of the 5 families you moron.

[DMBBeav]

Remember people, always question everything. Believe none of what you hear and only half of what you see.

Shouldn't you be saying this to yourself when you read bullshit on the internet?

[zajDmB1]

my point.

Point is, the government will not allow an independent investigation and they should. The government and only the government is privy to any evidence from 9/11. In order to be fair, I think an independent investigation should be granted. If there is nothing to hide, why not let outside experts investigate? And I'm not saying allow a group of crazies go at it, but a group of experts that can examine FACTS from the material of the attack sand so forth.

wait....they got rid of that stuff.

We will suffer if we always listen and take to heart what the government says. As a nation, we the people should have the right to look further and seek answers that we want. But we don't, we have put our full trust and safety in the hands of the them.

Remember people, always question everything. Believe none of what you hear and only half of what you see.

geez, that word really gets people goin, haha. I only said "or something" because I forget what they said and didn't wanna say the wrong thing. I added the something, that is not a direct quote.

I heard this on a show on National Geographic or History channel, I forget, but I am also 90% sure it was an independent group that researched, that's why the show was such a big deal. I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure.

[Koreelove]

geez, that word really gets people goin, haha. I only said "or something" because I forget what they said and didn't wanna say the wrong thing. I added the something, that is not a direct quote.

I heard this on a show on National Geographic or History channel, I forget, but I am also 90% sure it was an independent group that researched, that's why the show was such a big deal. I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure.

There has not been an independent group, except for Popular Mechanics which did not give any good concrete evidence. You can't examine building material you don't have.

[WHO DEY!!!]

You first two paragraphs speak to a theory that is total speculation and is great fodder for fiction and doesn't really answer the question. Let's say your sci-fi theory was totally true, there are surely easier ways to skin the cat than what has occurred in our history.

Your third paragraph takes a coincidental link between Kerry and Bush and runs with it to the endzone.

I am fascinated by the warped thinking of conspiracy theorists. One thing I have noticed is they take fun facts with zero substance, add them up and create something. However, again, 0+0+0=0.

Another thing is they have fear of things they aren't a part of / don't understand. They think people of higher power are all in line with one another and it is this barrier that is keeping them(the conspiracy theorist) down.


Its not a theory. History has proven that these men and these families usually in most instances...finance both sides of the war!! That is why they create the conflict. They profit no matter who wins!!! Not to mention the fact that now days, these wars do more to erode our civil liberties thatn anything else. patriot Act?? Secret WireTapping?? Anyone want a MICROCHIP???

Second, I am not scared of the secret societies such as the Skulls and stuff. Fuck..I want in!! I will perpetuate their lies if the ywould jsut let me in....LOL


Finally...If you think that 320 of the most influential people in the world meeting for the Committee on Foreign Relations, or people wearing red KKK garb dancing and chanting satanic rituals, or 120+ of the most high ranking government officials in the world is a fun little fact with no substance, I think you are the razy one.

Since i answered your question you answer mine?

Why is it that there is a total media blackout on all of them?? Why do they all drive in with secret service, MI5 security details in the same black tinted window caddy?? Why is it so secret?? Why wont they let us in?? What are they talking about?? If its on the up and up....they would let us!

[Koreelove]

Shouldn't you be saying this to yourself when you read bullshit on the internet?


I sure do. I look at all angles, not just one.

[WHO DEY!!!]

Were you strapped upside down to the bottom of a pogo stick as an infant and sent bouncing through town?


No Tom I can read mother fucker!!! I have a real job and a real education dick!! What are you a internet mod on antsmarching.org?? Can you even program you stupid fuck??

[DMBBeav]

There has not been an independent group, except for Popular Mechanics which did not give any good concrete evidence. You can't examine building material you don't have.

The reason conspiracy theorists discount PM's article is because it is partially written by someone loosely related to John Ashcroft(second cousins? Something like that).

[Koreelove]

Back to the JFK one, the fundamental, immediate questions are more suspect(you know, the who, how, why). 9/11 conspiracy theorists try to get away with this with the Pentagon(why NO PICTURES????) until they meet people who a) saw the plane b) saw the destruction.

I understand your point. Funny how people who 'hear and saw' something at the Pentagon are credited but people who 'heard and saw' flashes and booms in the WTC are immediately dismissed.

[WHO DEY!!!]

I've tried and tired and tired to argue this point of conspiracy theories. Ultimately trying to get someone to believe in them is like trying to turn a gay person straight. It just doesn't happen. No one turned me on to any of the theories, I just happened to stumble upon some interesting web sites and decided to do some investigation. I'll tell ya, there is some interesting stuff out there.

At first, I was angry and tried to convince people of what I had thought, but that never works. So now I just sit back and see all the signs of the NWO in our path. It's crazy what an open mind and some research can do.

I don't hate America, I'm not completely sold on 9/11 (however WTC 7 and the Pentagon are HIGHLY questionable), but I do see everything else the media infiltrates to the American people as truth.

Sometimes I wish I never stumble upon this information...you know what they say, ignorance is bliss.


I totally agree. I would not consider myself a conspiracy theorist. But like you I jsut did some research and started looking some things up. When it leads back to the smae people, its hard not to believe. BUt like you I wish i would have never found it. I cant even watch Hardball anymore dude!! hahaha

I also am not completley sold on 9/11. But ...who the fuck knows??

[Tomriddle]

No Tom I can read mother fucker!!! I have a real job and a real education dick!! What are you a internet mod on antsmarching.org?? Can you even program you stupid fuck??

yes, i am a mod, and i've just banned you. If you post again your modem will explode.







by the way, "i can program" is not exactly incredible bragging rights, Chief.

[WHO DEY!!!]

my point.

Point is, the government will not allow an independent investigation and they should. The government and only the government is privy to any evidence from 9/11. In order to be fair, I think an independent investigation should be granted. If there is nothing to hide, why not let outside experts investigate? And I'm not saying allow a group of crazies go at it, but a group of experts that can examine FACTS from the material of the attack sand so forth.

wait....they got rid of that stuff.

We will suffer if we always listen and take to heart what the government says. As a nation, we the people should have the right to look further and seek answers that we want. But we don't, we have put our full trust and safety in the hands of the them.

Remember people, always question everything. Believe none of what you hear and only half of what you see.


If it wasnt an act of God, its probably a conspiracy!! LOL

[zajDmB1]

There has not been an independent group, except for Popular Mechanics which did not give any good concrete evidence. You can't examine building material you don't have.

hmm, i know they were mentioned in the program, but i also remember they showed mock-ups of blueprints of the building showing the placement of the tank, which I doubt PM would have. I dunno. I am not against believing a conspiracy, what I have read pro-conspiracy all seems too out there.

[Crush086]

No Tom I can read mother fucker!!! I have a real job and a real education dick!! What are you a internet mod on antsmarching.org?? Can you even program you stupid fuck??
Wow.

Easy on the caffeine, champ.

[TwoStep2888]

I think we broke WHO DEY!!!

[DMBBeav]

Its not a theory. History has proven that these men and these families usually in most instances...finance both sides of the war!! That is why they create the conflict. They profit no matter who wins!!! Not to mention the fact that now days, these wars do more to erode our civil liberties thatn anything else. patriot Act?? Secret WireTapping?? Anyone want a MICROCHIP???

Second, I am not scared of the secret societies such as the Skulls and stuff. Fuck..I want in!! I will perpetuate their lies if the ywould jsut let me in....LOL


Finally...If you think that 320 of the most influential people in the world meeting for the Committee on Foreign Relations, or people wearing red KKK garb dancing and chanting satanic rituals, or 120+ of the most high ranking government officials in the world is a fun little fact with no substance, I think you are the razy one.

Since i answered your question you answer mine?

Why is it that there is a total media blackout on all of them?? Why do they all drive in with secret service, MI5 security details in the same black tinted window caddy?? Why is it so secret?? Why wont they let us in?? What are they talking about?? If its on the up and up....they would let us!

Huh?

So powerful people finance wars? Really??? I didn't know that! It would be more interesting if we were currently actively giving(for example) Al Queada weapons so that they could continue fighting us. "But we did that" I can hear you say. We know our agenda for doing so when we did that 20 years ago. Currently, Al Queada is suffering from a lack of funding that decreases exponentially every year.

Now, I am well aware of how the 'war on drugs' actively did what I'm saying(giving financing to Central American governments while they produce drugs and ship it to America and we are fighting that war) and that is a fucked up situation.

Anyway, your third and fourth paragraph go to what I said...you are suspicious of things you don't know about and assume people are out to get you.

In short, there is no benefit for the Skulls to let everyone see what they are up to...then it wouldn't be a secret society anymore. That is seriously it.

To draw a comparison..why isn't there a public website where everyone in Hollywood relays every little detail on every single show / movie for your choosing(and please, Ain't It Cool News is not this)? Hell, why is it that - outside of advance screenings with the public - only .01% of information gets leaked? Its because people protect their interests.

[WHO DEY!!!]

[quote=Tomriddle;8047151]yes, i am a mod, and i've just banned you. If you post again your modem will explode.

Im not worried....that is how this always goes. I state an opinion or in some instances a fact, then you use sarcasim as your way of insulting me, then we each use words like 'fuck you', then you ban me for a week for cussing?? You are a JOKE! I will discredit you anytime you wnat to have a fair discussion....which doenst end with you banning someone because they get one up on you!!

[TwoStep2888]

Im not worried....that is how this always goes. I state an opinion or in some instances a fact, then you use sarcasim as your way of insulting me, then we each use words like 'fuck you', then you ban me for a week for cussing?? You are a JOKE! I will discredit you anytime you wnat to have a fair discussion....which doenst end with you banning someone because they get one up on you!!

Wait...

You actually think he's a mod? And... you... what the fuck?