Official Alias Thread

[ziggyosk]

Alias is macked outta my nuts! I love it!

[minigunmorgan]

Alias is the nuttiest entertainment spectacle of all mother buckin time.

[minigunmorgan]

Jack bristow is so tight. His plans and schemes are second to none.

[ziggyosk]

Damn skippy!
This is me after the season ender:
:freak :ugh: :confused: :mad: :BANG :twak :violent

[minigunmorgan]

Rambaldi Followers Unite!!!

[minigunmorgan]

I guess we're the only 2 people on earth who like ALIAS

[Beefsteak1138]

I guess we're the only 2 people on earth who like ALIAS
Count me in!

[Talula62]

Wait up. <O> I support this thread!!!

I could say much about the finale, but I'll leave it at this: Sark, dude - CIA parking lot?? Really?? REALLY. Also, I love him.

Edited to say: there are a couple other Alias threads that never seemed to go anywhere!!!!!!

[cbsauder]

macked outta my nuts!

thats a new one.

[Dads_obsessed]

So being "macked outta my nuts" is a good thing, right?

[penn darvis]

I hear Alias isn't in the ABC Fall Line-up.

http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/art-tv.html?2004-05/19/10.00.tv

[ziggyosk]

So being "macked outta my nuts" is a good thing, right?
Hell yeah it is!!!

[minigunmorgan]

Wait up. <O> I support this thread!!!

I could say much about the finale, but I'll leave it at this: Sark, dude - CIA parking lot?? Really?? REALLY. Also, I love him.

Edited to say: there are a couple other Alias threads that never seemed to go anywhere!!!!!!
YA!! i know, tell me about it. now hes in custody again. the next logical step is to break him out.

[ziggyosk]

You my friend are macked outta your nuts!! :)

[minigunmorgan]

the catch phrase for this thread is "macked outta my nuts"

[ziggyosk]

I hear Alias isn't in the ABC Fall Line-up.

http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/art-tv.html?2004-05/19/10.00.tv
It comes back in January. They are gunna go through 22 episodes without stopping for breaks.

[penn darvis]

Bring back Quentin!

[penn darvis]

It comes back in January. They are gunna go through 22 episodes without stopping for breaks.
I CAN'T WAIT. :violent :violent :violent :violent

[ziggyosk]

Bring back Quentin!
Cole is the man! Well. . . "the man, in front of the man."

[minigunmorgan]

YA!! i was waiting for cole to come back but he never did.

[ziggyosk]

Everybody add the <O> to their signatures

[minigunmorgan]

Everybody add the <O> to their signatures
sounds mint. i already have it. RAMBALDI LIVES!!

[GreyStreet40]

What did everyone think of the season finale? I was on the edge of my seat(well i moved to the floor) the entire time. What all do you think will happen with what Sidney saw at the end of the episode? and heres hoping they bring back her mom to the show

[minigunmorgan]

What did everyone think of the season finale? I was on the edge of my seat(well i moved to the floor) the entire time. What all do you think will happen with what Sidney saw at the end of the episode? and heres hoping they bring back her mom to the showi was going crazy. the finale didnt tie up any loose ends (except for lauren dying). it just opened new ones. like with the sphere. how do you contain rambaldi's essence? is it a perfume from este lauder?

[ziggyosk]

What did everyone think of the season finale? I was on the edge of my seat(well i moved to the floor) the entire time. What all do you think will happen with what Sidney saw at the end of the episode? and heres hoping they bring back her mom to the show
You sound like me when I was watching it. I think that Jack has been keeping track of sydney's whole life, and most likely others too. Maybe Nadia too, and Vaughn, Sark, Lauren. Who knows!
I also think that Vaughn's dad is somehow connected with Jack, and maybe he isn't even dead.

[ziggyosk]

i was going crazy. the finale didnt tie up any loose ends (except for lauren dying). it just opened new ones. like with the sphere. how do you contain rambaldi's essence? is it a perfume from este lauder?
I'll bet lauren comes back too. Like Alison Doran (Bad Francie)

[minigunmorgan]

look for 47

[GreyStreet40]

I didnt think about Vaughn's dad being alive still. That would most definately be interesting. I know Vaughn is a main character but I swear i thought he was done for when he got stabbed. He's cheated death so many times already I wonder if they ever would kill him off

[Beefsteak1138]

Wait up. <O> I support this thread!!!

I could say much about the finale, but I'll leave it at this: Sark, dude - CIA parking lot?? Really?? REALLY. Also, I love him.

Edited to say: there are a couple other Alias threads that never seemed to go anywhere!!!!!!
Sark's too smart to have done something so stupid. IMO, it must've been his intention to be caught. For what purpose, I'm not sure yet.

[ziggyosk]

Sark's too smart to have done something so stupid. IMO, it must've been his intention to be caught. For what purpose, I'm not sure yet.
Thats what i was thinking too. Kinda like Irina in season 2. Sark is way to smart to park right in the CIA parking garage.

[Spicy McHaggis]

Man, Sark is one of my favorite characters on TV right now... I agree, he would never do something that stupid.

So, Sydney shot Katya with that tranquilizer... I wonder if she got away or was captured? I wonder if there is more than meets the eye in regards to Katya and Jack sleeping together...

[Talula62]

^^^Yeah, nice how they just blew over that whole plot point (Jack and Katya lovin').

On other boards - Alias boards - everyone is speculating about how much or how little of the show's events has been orchestrated by Jack. Just like when we found out that Sloane had orchestrated taking down the Alliance and all that song and dance to get out of SD-6 before that all went down to be with Emily.

What is frustrating about this show is that everything almost anyone ever says could always end up being a lie. So, you never freaking know. I still think there's way more to Sydney's memory wipe than what the show told us in January. Anyway....

[ziggyosk]

Man, Sark is one of my favorite characters on TV right now... I agree, he would never do something that stupid.

So, Sydney shot Katya with that tranquilizer... I wonder if she got away or was captured? I wonder if there is more than meets the eye in regards to Katya and Jack sleeping together...
I was thinking the same thing. What happened to Katya? Maybe she's in custody. Or she got away.

[ziggyosk]

^^^Yeah, nice how they just blew over that whole plot point (Jack and Katya lovin').

On other boards - Alias boards - everyone is speculating about how much or how little of the show's events has been orchestrated by Jack. Just like when we found out that Sloane had orchestrated taking down the Alliance and all that song and dance to get out of SD-6 before that all went down to be with Emily.

What is frustrating about this show is that everything almost anyone ever says could always end up being a lie. So, you never freaking know. I still think there's way more to Sydney's memory wipe than what the show told us in January. Anyway....
I don't think that Jack is bad at all. But he does some shaddy stuff that he hides from Sydney. But just remember,EVERYTHING that he has ever done, no matter how mad Sydney gets at him, has always been for her own good. It's always to protect her. So whatever is on those documents, Jack has been hiding them to protect her from something.
As far as the memory loss, I think that there defenitly is more there than what meets the eye. The show does lie to us, and they only tell us what they want us to know. So I would bet that the memory loss story they gave us was all BS. I think it was the CIA all along that wiped her memory, and the whole season has just been made up to hide the truth from sydney.

[nabennet]

what the hell were on those papers at the bank in the end?

[Talula62]

I don't think that Jack is bad at all. But he does some shaddy stuff that he hides from Sydney. But just remember,EVERYTHING that he has ever done, no matter how mad Sydney gets at him, has always been for her own good. It's always to protect her. So whatever is on those documents, Jack has been hiding them to protect her from something.
As far as the memory loss, I think that there defenitly is more there than what meets the eye. The show does lie to us, and they only tell us what they want us to know. So I would bet that the memory loss story they gave us was all BS. I think it was the CIA all along that wiped her memory, and the whole season has just been made up to hide the truth from sydney.

Exactly what I'm thinking. Everything you just said there. :thumbsup

As for the papers, it's hard to say. I think Jack knew about Nadia well before Syd found out about her and probably well before Sloane found out about her too. I'm also wondering if he's connected to Bill Vaughn somehow, if Syd and Nadia aren't coincidentally spies. It's hard to spec on this - it always ends up making my head hurt. :BANG

[minigunmorgan]

does anyone else notice how all the main characters are in 2 age groups?

theres: syd, vaughn, sark, lauren, nadia
and: sloane, jack, irina, catya, william vaughn, lazere, even laurens mom olivia

the parents and children all have direct ties to rambaldi too

[minigunmorgan]

why is jack so eager to have vaughn kill lauren? does she pose a threat to jack keeping a secret from sydney? nothing is a coincedence. NOTHING.

[nabennet]

who the hell is this rambaldi character anyway?

[ziggyosk]

who the hell is this rambaldi character anyway?
Exactly what do you mean? Have you never heard of Rambaldi? Or are you thinking that someone on the show is rambaldi?

[Talula62]

does anyone else notice how all the main characters are in 2 age groups?

theres: syd, vaughn, sark, lauren, nadia
and: sloane, jack, irina, catya, william vaughn, lazere, even laurens mom olivia

the parents and children all have direct ties to rambaldi too

Yeah - who is a Rambaldi descendent and who isn't?? If the green goo works on Nadia b/c she's the passenger, but also because she's a Rambaldi descendent......isn't Syd a descendent too?? And if so, is it b/c of Irina only?? And what the hell is up with Irina anyway?? Where is she and if what Lauren said in the fight had any merit, asking Syd if she really thought her mom was *helping* her during those two years and why hadn't she heard from her at all, is Irina even alive....is she in prison....has Jack actually been talking to Irina on IM or has it been maybe Katya???

Rambaldi......geez.......where to begin??? He's a crazy prophet guy from like 600 years ago who a) figured out how to develop advanced technology, like cell phones, and to keep flowers alive for 600 years and b) predicted all kinds of stuff like the dates and times of people's deaths (like clockmaker Syd went to see in Season 1 who got shot by a bullet meant for Syd) and dates and times of catastrophic events, like those that set off World War I and II and the exact moment Sloane read some scroll that was supposed to have told him about Nadia. Two other prophecies involve Syd and Nadia.

Edited to say: Also, there have been a few clues that may or may not suggest that Rambaldi is actually still alive. Whether that means "his essence" like Sloane told Nadia or what is yet to be seen.

[nabennet]

Exactly what do you mean? Have you never heard of Rambaldi? Or are you thinking that someone on the show is rambaldi?
no they talk about him all the time. was he a real person (in history, not on the show)? why is he so significant? this whole season has been about him?

(sorry i missed the first few episodes)

[minigunmorgan]

no they talk about him all the time. was he a real person (in history, not on the show)? why is he so significant? this whole season has been about him?

(sorry i missed the first few episodes)
after they told you what the machine was at the end of season 2 (el dire), everyone thought rambaldi was all done. i remember a poll on the ABC website that asked if you thought we'd ever see him again. then kendall unloads on sydney on the plane, you find out about the passenger, and now the sphere. i think rambaldi is the ultimate endgame of sloane, jack, the covenant, irina/catya, and ultra-black sections of the CIA(The Trust, DSR, ect.)

rambaldi is, to quote ziggyosk, macked out of my nuts. i wouldnt doubt it if he was alive somewhere or already living among everybody. wiess? jack? sloane? irina(the worlds first sex change)? who the hell knows. or maybe rambaldi chose not to live because he knows something crazy is going to happen when sloane puts together the entire "rambaldi puzzle."

[ziggyosk]

no they talk about him all the time. was he a real person (in history, not on the show)? why is he so significant? this whole season has been about him?

(sorry i missed the first few episodes)
The whole show is based around rambaldi pretty much. Have you seen the first 2 seasons? If not I suggest you go out now, and buy the DVD's. You will understand alot more when you do so. Go buy them, and you will have something to do, while I beat my head against a wall until January.

[minigunmorgan]

The whole show is based around rambaldi pretty much. Have you seen the first 2 seasons? If not I suggest you go out now, and buy the DVD's. You will understand alot more when you do so. Go buy them, and you will have something to do, while I beat my head against a wall until January.
anyone whos never een ALIAS i command you to go buy all seasons o dvd and watch promptly. then hav your mind blown again, and again, and again.

[Beefsteak1138]

why is jack so eager to have vaughn kill lauren? does she pose a threat to jack keeping a secret from sydney? nothing is a coincedence. NOTHING.

Jack was betrayed by the person he loved and trusted the most, Irina. The same thing has happened to Vaughn, so my opinion is that he is "living through Vaughn" in a sense. He is having Vaugh do something that he hasn't and/or couldn't do.

[minigunmorgan]

amazon says alias s3 dvd is coming out on september 7th

[ziggyosk]

Jack was betrayed by the person he loved and trusted the most, Irina. The same thing has happened to Vaughn, so my opinion is that he is "living through Vaughn" in a sense. He is having Vaugh do something that he hasn't and/or couldn't do.
Could be. Or maybe thats just what they want us to think. Or maybe he was using Lauren in some capacity, and realized her usefullness was done. Or he knew Lauren knew about whatever was on those documents, and she could spill the beans to sydney. So in order to keep Sydney from finding out what she eventually did at the end, he wanted Lauren Dead.

[Beefsteak1138]

Could be. Or maybe thats just what they want us to think. Or maybe he was using Lauren in some capacity, and realized her usefullness was done. Or he knew Lauren knew about whatever was on those documents, and she could spill the beans to sydney. So in order to keep Sydney from finding out what she eventually did at the end, he wanted Lauren Dead.
All definite possibilities. My answer was the most obvious (IMO), so its probably not right knowing Alias. I'm sure there's a deeper motive.

[minigunmorgan]

Jack Bristow does nothing out of emotion. i highly doubt he has a soft spot in his heart for vaughn just because they went through similar situations. if jack was indeed laurens "master" and had incriminating information on jack, it would be in jacks best interest to kill her. however, manipulating vaughn into doing it for him is better.

jack knew exactly how to play off of vaughns feeling of betrayal and anger. afterall, he had had thm once before. somebody mentally weak (vaughn) could be easily used to do jacks bidding.

the question is what did lauren know? she knew the lockbox # and location. this would lead us to assume that she knew what was on the documents. i'd bet my nuts that lauren, knowing the location, would be driven by curiosity to look at the documents. so she knew what jack knew. she knew the documents would hurt sydney somehow.

ive got a headache.

[Beefsteak1138]

Jack Bristow does nothing out of emotion. i highly doubt he has a soft spot in his heart for vaughn just because they went through similar situations. if jack was indeed laurens "master" and had incriminating information on jack, it would be in jacks best interest to kill her. however, manipulating vaughn into doing it for him is better.

jack knew exactly how to play off of vaughns feeling of betrayal and anger. afterall, he had had thm once before. somebody mentally weak (vaughn) could be easily used to do jacks bidding.

the question is what did lauren know? she knew the lockbox # and location. this would lead us to assume that she knew what was on the documents. i'd bet my nuts that lauren, knowing the location, would be driven by curiosity to look at the documents. so she knew what jack knew. she knew the documents would hurt sydney somehow.

ive got a headache.

Good analysis.

btw, Jack is the man. I would want to be him except for the fact that I want to have relations with Sydney and that would just be wrong. ;)

[minigunmorgan]

I want to have relations with Sydney

who doesnt?

[ziggyosk]

I want to have relations with Sydney

who doesnt?
Dont come lookin here, you won't find your answer!

[minigunmorgan]

Good analysis.

btw, Jack is the man. I would want to be him except for the fact that I want to have relations with Sydney and that would just be wrong. ;)
aha! if i was jack bauer, id be super tight and i could shag sydney.

[Beefsteak1138]

<---- New avatar and title. :)

[Talula62]

^^^Nice avatar!! Someday I'll figure out how to do one.

I don't think Lauren knowing Jack's secret necessarily means she was working for him. This is what is gonna be the good or bad part of this "Jack is in charge of the world" thing. I love this storyline b/c it always pissed me off how Sloane was always one step ahead of Jack - Irina too for that matter.

Do y'all think Lauren answered to him, because I'm not really thinking so. aybe I'm just hoping it isn't true. Extracting her for two years is one thing, but the idea he could have sent Lauren to Vaughn....I don't think Jack is Covenant. Maybe he knew about it and couldn't stop it. Maybe he didn't know though, since he was "in prison". Maybe he wasn't in prison. Ouch - I hurt myself again.

[Beefsteak1138]

^^^Nice avatar!! Someday I'll figure out how to do one.


I can make one for you, just let me know.

[Talula62]

I've found pics before but I can't get them to be 50X50 or whatever. Maybe I'll go look for pics again.

[penn darvis]

I have to put the <o> in my sig.

[penn darvis]

There we go.

[Beefsteak1138]

I've found pics before but I can't get them to be 50X50 or whatever. Maybe I'll go look for pics again.
I'm sure there probably an easier way, but I just use MS Paint. You can check the size by going to "images -> attributes" You can adjust the image size by going to "images -> Stretch/Skew"

[Talula62]

Whoa. I did it!! I feel so....competent. Thanks beefsteak!!!!!!! That's my shoutout to JJ for a Will guest appearance next Season.

[Beefsteak1138]

Will rocks. I really like the earlier episodes of Alias where there was some focus on Sydney's life outside of SD-6/CIA. I wish they'd bring some of that back.

[ziggyosk]

I have to put the <o> in my sig.
Lookin good my man!

[ziggyosk]

<---- New avatar and title. :)
I love the new look. Jack is the man! No, not THAT man. Just the man in general.

[ziggyosk]

<- Look, I changed my avatar too. Sweet!!

[Beefsteak1138]

Updated sig.

[Talula62]

I've gotta update my sig too. Hmmm. This will be more difficult. Maybe something Sarkney.

[dmbjrkey]

Count me in this "official" Alias discussion........espicially with all of the 24 talk on this board..........

[ziggyosk]

Thats a sweet quote in your signature, Beefsteak. Season 1 right? Doesn't he way that to will at the end?

[ziggyosk]

Count me in this "official" Alias discussion........espicially with all of the 24 talk on this board..........
Come join in on the fun. Add the: <O> to your signature too.

[Beefsteak1138]

Thats a sweet quote in your signature, Beefsteak. Season 1 right? Doesn't he way that to will at the end?
I'm pretty sure thats right. IMDB has some sweet quotes.

[nabennet]

i want to do that stuff they do on alias. i wonder if there are people actually like that. that would be sweet.

[minigunmorgan]

there are several different possibilities, but they all end in your burial.

[minigunmorgan]

there are 2 things you need to know about this necklace. 1, it is wired with c4. and 2, at if any moment i think you are trying to escape or betray us, ill trigger this remote detonator and blow your head off myself.

[nabennet]

there are 2 things you need to know about this necklace. 1, it is wired with c4. and 2, at if any moment i think you are trying to escape or betray us, ill trigger this remote detonator and blow your head off myself.
huh? what are you talking about?

[minigunmorgan]

understand, this was not done out of compassion. i orchestrated this because, and only because, i need you.

[minigunmorgan]

what is your exit strategy here? politely asking sloane to let you out of sd6?

[minigunmorgan]

no whats weird? cole tells sloane that his hair looks good. and then in season 3 he tells sark his hair is cool. nothing is a coincedence. what is the connection?

[penn darvis]

McKenas Cole: "Who this man is, is not important. What is important is this knife on the table. Use it. Kill this unimportant man."

[penn darvis]

Interesting:

Warning!!! Potential spoiler: http://www.b2g3.com/boards/board.cgi?action=read&id=1085681551&user=alias

[Beefsteak1138]

The illusion of freedom is better than none at all. - JB

[minigunmorgan]

Interesting:

Warning!!! Potential spoiler: http://www.b2g3.com/boards/board.cgi?action=read&id=1085681551&user=alias
puzzling. just when i think jack cant be any more tight, he busts out with something like this. jack knows all.

[minigunmorgan]

lets go to the conversation room.

[ziggyosk]

huh? what are you talking about?
Thats what Jack says to Irina when they go on a mission together in S2

[ziggyosk]

there are several different possibilities, but they all end in your burial.
Love that one!

[ziggyosk]

there are 2 things you need to know about this necklace. 1, it is wired with c4. and 2, at if any moment i think you are trying to escape or betray us, ill trigger this remote detonator and blow your head off myself.
That one too!!

[Talula62]

Thats a sweet quote in your signature, Beefsteak. Season 1 right? Doesn't he way that to will at the end?

Pretty sure he says it to Haladki, or however you say that guy's name, and later on - or maybe in the next episode - he kills him b/c he's trying to find out where Syd and Will are. Haladki was a CIA mole who used to cause a ruckus about Vaughn being too close to Syd and lying to the CIA b/c he looooooooved Syd.

Interesting:

Warning!!! Potential spoiler: http://www.b2g3.com/boards/board.cgi?action=read&id=1085681551&user=alias

I wanted to post this but didn't b/c of potential spoiler. It was posted at Alias boards but later on, and even now, if you go check ABC - they changed that recap to be true to what the episode actually revealed (which was next to nothing). They've done this before with stuff those of us who read spoilers read was supposed to be in - but ABC never went back and changed it. I'll go find the link to that in case anyone wants to know.

Anyway - they've not corrected themselves before - but they did this time. So, JJ and Co. may or may not go in that direction next season.

[ziggyosk]

Pretty sure he says it to Haladki, or however you say that guy's name, and later on - or maybe in the next episode - he kills him b/c he's trying to find out where Syd and Will are. Haladki was a CIA mole who used to cause a ruckus about Vaughn being too close to Syd and lying to the CIA b/c he looooooooved Syd.



I wanted to post this but didn't b/c of potential spoiler. It was posted at Alias boards but later on, and even now, if you go check ABC - they changed that recap to be true to what the episode actually revealed (which was next to nothing). They've done this before with stuff those of us who read spoilers read was supposed to be in - but ABC never went back and changed it. I'll go find the link to that in case anyone wants to know.

Anyway - they've not corrected themselves before - but they did this time. So, JJ and Co. may or may not go in that direction next season.
Yeah I think you are right it was haladki. He was kasanow's mole in the CIA. Its pretty sweet if you think about it, Haladki was working for the convenent way back in the 1st season. He was working for Kasanow, and Mckennis cole was working with/for kasanow also.

[ziggyosk]

300th post :monkey

[Talula62]

Too late to edit my last post. I'll try to link to the ABC eppy description where they recapped Dixon telling Syd something about Vaughn in the hospital that the actual episode didn't show. And, if you think about it - even the characters sorta act like this information is known in episode 20 and 21. So, potential spoilers!!!!! http://abc.go.com/primetime/alias/missions/episode320b.html

(It's the first sentence of the paragraph above the last sentence of the recap. Last sentence of recap reads: "Sloane injects Nadia, strapped to a table, with the elixir. She convulses.")

[ziggyosk]

Too late to edit my last post. I'll try to link to the ABC eppy description where they recapped Dixon telling Syd something about Vaughn in the hospital that the actual episode didn't show. And, if you think about it - even the characters sorta act like this information is known in episode 20 and 21. So, potential spoilers!!!!! http://abc.go.com/primetime/alias/missions/episode320b.html

(It's the first sentence of the paragraph above the last sentence of the recap. Last sentence of recap reads: "Sloane injects Nadia, strapped to a table, with the elixir. She convulses.")
What do you mean? When Dixon says something about psychological conditioning. Is that what you are talking about?

[ktyladie]

can i join too?

[ktyladie]

when sydney read the papers about what happened to her.. i just knew it somehow was done by the CIA>.. im sure they had some foreshadowed it but I cant think of what they did..

[ziggyosk]

can i join too?
The more the merrier! Lets get a huge following!

[Talula62]

What do you mean? When Dixon says something about psychological conditioning. Is that what you are talking about?

Yeah - but we didn't actually get a SydDixon scene before Syd went in to talk to Vaughn in the hospital bed - she was just there. So, Dixon never actually told her that onscreen for us to see. Then, in episode 21, Vaughn says to Syd in the rotunda, "Whatever Lauren did to me...I hope we can work through it" or something close to that. Do you know what I mean?? Did it seem implied to you that Lauren had done some sort of Francie-Will thing to Vaughn?? B/c that rotunda line doesn't seem to go along with JUST being tortured by Lauren...ya know?? Hmmm....

[penn darvis]

Yeah - but we didn't actually get a SydDixon scene before Syd went in to talk to Vaughn in the hospital bed - she was just there. So, Dixon never actually told her that onscreen for us to see. Then, in episode 21, Vaughn says to Syd in the rotunda, "Whatever Lauren did to me...I hope we can work through it" or something close to that. Do you know what I mean?? Did it seem implied to you that Lauren had done some sort of Francie-Will thing to Vaughn?? B/c that rotunda line doesn't seem to go along with JUST being tortured by Lauren...ya know?? Hmmm....
That would seem like they were going one direction and then went another but never took out that line.


Hmmmm.

[minigunmorgan]

can i join too?
hell ya.

[minigunmorgan]

i dont want to change the subject but beefsteak, do you watch 24?

[minigunmorgan]

from episode summary:

Dixon tells Syd that Vaughn shows evidence of psychological conditioning, thanks to Lauren. Syd visits Vaughn in the hospital. He says she must let The Passenger go and reveals the reason that Irina killed his father. He relays a prophecy: The Passenger and The Chosen One will battle and neither will survive. Syd is unmoved.

thats weird. i always wondered how vaughn knew about "the passenger and chosen one battling to the death" prophecy. if he was psychologically tortured by lauren, she may have told him then. that may mean that the prophecy is a lie lauren made up to try and break vaughn. if vaughn thought sydney would be at risk when she found the passenger, he might give up the location. how else would vaughn have known the location?

do you understand? if not ill try and explain better.

[dmbjrkey]

"January is only 6 months away"

Glad the subtitle of this forum reflects the feelings of 24 AND Alias viewers......

[Beefsteak1138]

i dont want to change the subject but beefsteak, do you watch 24?
Definitely, my second favorite show next to alias....but a very, very close second.

[ziggyosk]

Definitely, my second favorite show next to alias....but a very, very close second.
Me too buddy!

[Beefsteak1138]

Great minds think alike.

[ziggyosk]

"January is only 6 months away"

Glad the subtitle of this forum reflects the feelings of 24 AND Alias viewers......
Way too long for me.
Oh and by the way, you need to add the:

<O> to your sig

Become one with the order!

[Talula62]

thats weird. i always wondered how vaughn knew about "the passenger and chosen one battling to the death" prophecy. if he was psychologically tortured by lauren, she may have told him then. that may mean that the prophecy is a lie lauren made up to try and break vaughn. if vaughn thought sydney would be at risk when she found the passenger, he might give up the location. how else would vaughn have known the location?

do you understand? if not ill try and explain better.

Yeah - I hear ya. That's a really interesting take on it, b/c I took it as Vaughn getting all that info from Brill who he went to go see before Sark and Lauren captured him and took him to be tortured. We never saw the end of the Brill conversation. He just told Vaughn something about his dad having died protecting Nadia and then it was like "flash of vaughn's face in anguish" and then cut to another scene. Then later, Vaughn is spouting out all that info and it could have just as well come from Lauren and Sark. Who knows!

I also always pictured the conditioning to have been like during his sleep, like Francie did to Will, but maybe that isn't the case. I wonder if they'll address it next season.

[dmbjrkey]

Way too long for me.
Oh and by the way, you need to add the:

<O> to your sig

Become one with the order!


Done.........good idea with the sig

[minigunmorgan]

Definitely, my second favorite show next to alias....but a very, very close second.
i cant pick one over the other. alias tells a better story. but jack bauer is freakin sweet. jennifer garner is hotter than flaming bags of poop. i've been watching 24 longer.

[minigunmorgan]

i cant pick one over the other. alias tells a better story. but jack bauer is freakin sweet. jennifer garner is hotter than flaming bags of poop. i've been watching 24 longer.
enough about that, this is the ALIAS thread! ALIAS YA!!

alright, we all know about the abc episode summary scandall right? one of the things the documents supposedly said was that jack was not in prison when irina
disapeared. do you think that refers to when irina "died" (when syd was 5) or when she escaped in season 2?

[GreyStreet40]

good point. im going to go with when syd disappeared in season 2

[dmbjrkey]

The edge definitely goes to Alias b/c of its stories and cast........but Kiefer Sutherland is in a league of his own.

[minigunmorgan]

The edge definitely goes to Alias b/c of its stories and cast........but Kiefer Sutherland is in a league of his own.
agreed my friend

[minigunmorgan]

im watching vaughn torture lauren on the last episode. it was sweet to see vaughn show some balls.

he'll never be in the league of the "Jack B's" though.

[minigunmorgan]

"I SAID DONT SAY HER NAME!"

"sydney came back and i knew i had lost you..."

BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOOM BOOM

[ziggyosk]

"I SAID DONT SAY HER NAME!"

"sydney came back and i knew i had lost you..."

BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOOM BOOM
Yeah, and I LOVED the part when ABC's Jeff Fox came on to update me that there was a tornado in my area, and it cut out that part! SWEET!!

[ziggyosk]

Done.........good idea with the sig
We need to convert as many as possible!

[minigunmorgan]

Yeah, and I LOVED the part when ABC's Jeff Fox came on to update me that there was a tornado in my area, and it cut out that part! SWEET!!
sucks nuts for you. i would have launched a nuke or something

[Talula62]

enough about that, this is the ALIAS thread! ALIAS YA!!

alright, we all know about the abc episode summary scandall right? one of the things the documents supposedly said was that jack was not in prison when irina
disapeared. do you think that refers to when irina "died" (when syd was 5) or when she escaped in season 2?

Alias ya!!

Remember though that ABC removed it - I'm wondering if they'll still go in that direction. I'm sorta thinking they will. But, I think the Jack NOT being in prison thing refers to when Irina disappeared the very first time, when Syd was 5, otherwise it would have said "when Sydney disappeared" - ya know??

On second thought, maybe not, because that is was a loooonng time ago and seems to be too long ago to be that great a plot point. If he wasn't in prison when Syd disappeared, that would be more interesting, but then again - she went to go get him out, didn't she?? Was she physically there to see him?? I think she was. He would have had to arrange to be put in prison. Not that he couldn't do that somehow......maybe.....I need Season 3 out!!!

[minigunmorgan]

otherwise it would have said "when Sydney disappeared"

valid point.your right though, jj may not even go that way now that that information was leaked. and yes, syd was definetly saw jack in prison. remember, he had the full blown beard goin.

[penn darvis]

Alias ya!!

Remember though that ABC removed it - I'm wondering if they'll still go in that direction. I'm sorta thinking they will. But, I think the Jack NOT being in prison thing refers to when Irina disappeared the very first time, when Syd was 5, otherwise it would have said "when Sydney disappeared" - ya know??

On second thought, maybe not, because that is was a loooonng time ago and seems to be too long ago to be that great a plot point. If he wasn't in prison when Syd disappeared, that would be more interesting, but then again - she went to go get him out, didn't she?? Was she physically there to see him?? I think she was. He would have had to arrange to be put in prison. Not that he couldn't do that somehow......maybe.....I need Season 3 out!!!
Remember though, Jack Bristow signed the documents. He could have easily arranged to be put in prison. The question is why would he do that.

[minigunmorgan]

Remember though, Jack Bristow signed the documents. He could have easily arranged to be put in prison. The question is why would he do that.
the question is why would he want most of the world to think he was in prison for 2 years? who knew that he wasnt? lindsy thought jack was in jail. he prided himself for sending him there. or did he? was lindsy working with jack? it seems unlikely. i want to know who was in on jack's sweet scheme, whatever the hell it was.

[minigunmorgan]

well, i have to go to work, but i want you guys to post a ton of theories about Dr. Lee. remember him? hell yeah! hes the guy who tortured sydney and will and nadia.

who was he working for when he was giving nadia the rambaldi potion? who is he working for now?

[Talula62]

Yeah - y'all are right - Jack could have arranged plenty of things, like being in prison and acquiring that crazy beard. Why on earth would that have been necessary??

Suit and Glasses!!!! He tortured Marshall too - he was supposed to be building the Echelon software for Suit and Glasses but he really just wrote a Ping Pong game program. Ha!!! Who he works for is a good question - since he was giving Nadia Rambaldi juice, he must have been a Rambaldi Follower or a part of a group of them. He's been around throughout all the changes from one bad-guy-group to the next. Have to think about that one...

[ziggyosk]

Yeah - y'all are right - Jack could have arranged plenty of things, like being in prison and acquiring that crazy beard. Why on earth would that have been necessary??

Suit and Glasses!!!! He tortured Marshall too - he was supposed to be building the Echelon software for Suit and Glasses but he really just wrote a Ping Pong game program. Ha!!! Who he works for is a good question - since he was giving Nadia Rambaldi juice, he must have been a Rambaldi Follower or a part of a group of them. He's been around throughout all the changes from one bad-guy-group to the next. Have to think about that one...
Since he was giving Nadia the Rambaldi Juice when she was a little kid, he must have been working for someone. I highly doubt he is tight enough to have been doing it himself. Since we are told that sloane didn't know he had a kid until two years ago, that leaves only 2 options likely options:
Irina or
Jack

[minigunmorgan]

Yeah - y'all are right - Jack could have arranged plenty of things, like being in prison and acquiring that crazy beard. Why on earth would that have been necessary??

Suit and Glasses!!!! He tortured Marshall too - he was supposed to be building the Echelon software for Suit and Glasses but he really just wrote a Ping Pong game program. Ha!!! Who he works for is a good question - since he was giving Nadia Rambaldi juice, he must have been a Rambaldi Follower or a part of a group of them. He's been around throughout all the changes from one bad-guy-group to the next. Have to think about that one...
i like how marshall laughed. "HAHAHA!! GO TO HELL YOU FREAK!! GO TO HELL!!"

[Talula62]

I've typed a Suit and Glasses post twice and my computer or internet or something keeps messing it up. So, I'll do it again later. In the meantime - USA Today had an article about the ten reasons to watch TV. I think it was on May 30th. Guess who was on the list???? :) Our Jack B, of course.

It's from Robert Bianco and this excerpt is from sd-1.net:
There may be weeks Sydney would rather not have Jack around, but Alias couldn't do without him.

The sillier the plots become, the more important Garber is as the series' grounding force. His concern for Sydney heightens the drama, and his ability to switch gears to a cold, calculated ruthlessness fuels many of the show's best surprises. He plays Alias' most complex character with deceptive ease.

And if the cliffhanger is any clue, Jack will be even more vital next season. I can think of few actors better able to shoulder the load."

Okay, back to Suit and Glasses....

[ziggyosk]

Jack is the Shite!!

[Talula62]

The thing about Suit and Glasses is that if we picked one person who we already know that he might work for, it doesn't seem to match up across all his appearances. When Will was captured, S&G tortured him but Jack was the one who rescued Will. So, it would seem that it wasn't Jack. When Marshall was abducted and with S&G, Irina was in CIA custody and only later used the Echelon program to contact her superiors.

Sark was too young to have been involved with him when he was feeding Nadia the Juice and Sloane could have been behind it, except that he was not supposed to have known about Nadia until many many years later. Maybe he's just in some Rambaldi group, a group that has changed over the years and had different persons leading the hunt?? Oh, and then there's Katya. I'm tired now.

[ziggyosk]

The thing about Suit and Glasses is that if we picked one person who we already know that he might work for, it doesn't seem to match up across all his appearances. When Will was captured, S&G tortured him but Jack was the one who rescued Will. So, it would seem that it wasn't Jack. When Marshall was abducted and with S&G, Irina was in CIA custody and only later used the Echelon program to contact her superiors.

Sark was too young to have been involved with him when he was feeding Nadia the Juice and Sloane could have been behind it, except that he was not supposed to have known about Nadia until many many years later. Maybe he's just in some Rambaldi group, a group that has changed over the years and had different persons leading the hunt?? Oh, and then there's Katya. I'm tired now.
he could have been part of a group of rambaldi followers. I think it was most likely Irina/katya. I think they are both working together so if he worked for one he worked for the other. The part about irina being in jail when S&G had marshall doesn't really matter because he might not have still been working for irina, just 20 years ago.

[Talula62]

he could have been part of a group of rambaldi followers. I think it was most likely Irina/katya. I think they are both working together so if he worked for one he worked for the other. The part about irina being in jail when S&G had marshall doesn't really matter because he might not have still been working for irina, just 20 years ago.

Yeah - that's true. I also think it's probably Irina/Katya. I was looking at an episode 21 transcript - where Vaughn and Syd go confront Suit and Glasses and they said that Dr. Lee was the lead scientist in charge of Russia's Passenger experiments. So, he must have at one time been KGB like they were. (Or I assume Katya is/was.) Which reminds me, why did Katya turn evil all of a sudden??

[Beefsteak1138]

Non-plot related question:

I know Alias has a pretty strong cult following, but does anyone know how it fares in the ratings overall?

[ziggyosk]

Yeah - that's true. I also think it's probably Irina/Katya. I was looking at an episode 21 transcript - where Vaughn and Syd go confront Suit and Glasses and they said that Dr. Lee was the lead scientist in charge of Russia's Passenger experiments. So, he must have at one time been KGB like they were. (Or I assume Katya is/was.) Which reminds me, why did Katya turn evil all of a sudden??
My guess is that while irina is in hiding Katya is doing the dirty work. Most likely since she thinks that the covenant has found the "sphere" at that dig site, then she doesn't need sidney.

[ziggyosk]

Although I genuinely feel that Irina really does have feelings for sydney, and doesn't want to kill her. So maybe Katya isn't working with Irina? Or, they have their backs against the wall and have no choice for some reason.

[ziggyosk]

Non-plot related question:

I know Alias has a pretty strong cult following, but does anyone know how it fares in the ratings overall?
I dunno how they fare. Lemme try to find out.

[penn darvis]

You guys are running circles around me with all your plot ideas. Some are far-fetched, but others are pretty good. I'm not going to try to keep up with you guys, so I'll turn this into a Jen Garner appreciation thread.

http://jen-garner.net/modules/coppermine/albums/mags/celeb-joy/jennifer-garner03.jpg

[penn darvis]

Not too recent, but a comprehensive view of the first 2 seasons.
http://members.tripod.com/~t_d_farrin/jennifergarner/alias/ratings.html

[ziggyosk]

Not too recent, but a comprehensive view of the first 2 seasons.
http://members.tripod.com/~t_d_farrin/jennifergarner/alias/ratings.html
Thats not bad i guess

[ziggyosk]

You guys are running circles around me with all your plot ideas. Some are far-fetched, but others are pretty good. I'm not going to try to keep up with you guys, so I'll turn this into a Jen Garner appreciation thread.

http://jen-garner.net/modules/coppermine/albums/mags/celeb-joy/jennifer-garner03.jpg
Lemme start the appreciation:

Jennifer Garner is SEXY AS HELL!!!

[penn darvis]

Lemme start the appreciation:

Jennifer Garner is SEXY AS HELL!!!
JG: I'm not really a clothes kind of girl.
Leno: That's great!

[dmbjrkey]

Lemme start the appreciation:

Jennifer Garner is SEXY AS HELL!!!
Whoa..............JG

[penn darvis]

http://media.abc.com/primetime/alias/images/gallery/garner04.jpg

[Talula62]

Although I genuinely feel that Irina really does have feelings for sydney, and doesn't want to kill her. So maybe Katya isn't working with Irina? Or, they have their backs against the wall and have no choice for some reason.

Oooh - maybe Katya and Irina aren't working together. Maybe Katya is trying to one-up Irina. Just as Nadia and Sydney are supposed to destroy each other...not that Irina and Katya will destroy one another but - just an interesting thought I had.

At www.sd-1.net, in the Season 3 forum, each episode has a thread on the ratings. Overall...well...let me go see.

[penn darvis]

Oooh - maybe Katya and Irina aren't working together. Maybe Katya is trying to one-up Irina. Just as Nadia and Sydney are supposed to destroy each other...not that Irina and Katya will destroy one another but - just an interesting thought I had.

At www.sd-1.net, in the Season 3 forum, each episode has a thread on the ratings. Overall...well...let me go see.
Interesting. So Syd, Nadia, and Vaughn are just pawns in the fight between Katya and Irina.

HMMMM.

[Talula62]

^^^Maybe so. Sometime I'll have to sit down and really think about this whole Katya being evil thing. I say that perhaps they are at each other's throats just because it makes no sense to me WHATSOEVER that, if they were close and working together, she'd try to shoot Syd in the head. I know Irina shot Syd too, but, that was in the shoulder - not a sneak bullet to the brain.

Here's something on ratings that looks at the actual Sunday night breakdown from Zap2it via http://sd-1.net/index.php?showtopic=30360 on the 2nd to last eppy of the season (21 - Legacy):

Zap2it news:
The first hour of "10.5" scored an 11.6/18 to move NBC into first. CBS was second with the 8.1/12 first hour of the movie "The Book of Ruth." ABC's "Alias" had its standard 5.4/8 for third place, beating FOX's double dose of "Malcolm in the Middle." On The WB, the finale of "High School Reunion" did a 2.0/3.

(Sd-1.net poster) That´s good news, remember that blood ties got 5.2 in Zap2it and 6.8 in Mediaweek, Legacy got 5.4 and 6.9. This rating is the best of last 7 episodes of Alias (since Blowblack), it´s almost in the average of first episodes of S3, S2 and S1, that is 5.8 on Zap2it.

But, the season finale won the timeslot and maybe even the night with the 18-49 demographic.

[minigunmorgan]

You guys are running circles around me with all your plot ideas. Some are far-fetched, but others are pretty good. I'm not going to try to keep up with you guys, so I'll turn this into a Jen Garner appreciation thread.

http://jen-garner.net/modules/coppermine/albums/mags/celeb-joy/jennifer-garner03.jpg
i second your proposal

[minigunmorgan]

ive got 7 billion pictures of jennifer garner. tell me how to post them

[ziggyosk]

post pics of JG!!!

[ziggyosk]

had to get this thread back on page 1

[Zamboni Guy]

Glad to see this is topped. Contrary to the opinion of antsmarching.org, this is the ACTUAL best show on Network Television (seeing as though the Sopranos is on HBO).

[Beefsteak1138]

Here's another Alias hotty (holy nipples batman):

[Talula62]

Glad to see this is topped. Contrary to the opinion of antsmarching.org, this is the ACTUAL best show on Network Television (seeing as though the Sopranos is on HBO).

Word. *goes off to find pic of Syd - not JG* :)

[Talula62]

The best pic I've ever seen of JG I think was already posted in this thread - the one with the white dress and she's sitting on a ball or something. I'm cheating cuz I got this from the Jennifer Vs. Jennifer thread. :D

[minigunmorgan]

these pictures beat the crap out of anything in the Boobs! thread. becuse they're of jennifer garner.

[minigunmorgan]

i told you i had a lot

[Beefsteak1138]

Has anyone played the Alias Underground games from the official website??

http://abc.go.com/primetime/alias/underground/missions.html

[minigunmorgan]

Has anyone played the Alias Underground games from the official website??

http://abc.go.com/primetime/alias/underground/missions.html
ive played it. its not going to win "game of the year" or anything, but its ok. it has all the real voices.

[Beefsteak1138]

What about the PC/Playstation game?

Its pretty good, I'm on the final level right now.

[ziggyosk]

The best pic I've ever seen of JG I think was already posted in this thread - the one with the white dress and she's sitting on a ball or something. I'm cheating cuz I got this from the Jennifer Vs. Jennifer thread. :D
You just brought back a slew of very good memories/mamories!

[ziggyosk]

i told you i had a lot
Keep those pics coming!

:bounce :monkey

[ziggyosk]

Glad to see this is topped. Contrary to the opinion of antsmarching.org, this is the ACTUAL best show on Network Television (seeing as though the Sopranos is on HBO).
Show your support by the <O> in your signature

[Talula62]

You just brought back a slew of very good memories/mamories!

:) I have a girl crush!! :)

[Beefsteak1138]

i told you i had a lot
<----- New avatar ;)

[penn darvis]

http://jen-garner.net/modules/coppermine/albums/mags/arena/jennifer-garner-arena5.jpg
http://jen-garner.net/modules/coppermine/albums/public/2004/oscars/oscars060.jpg
http://jen-garner.net/modules/coppermine/albums/movies/aftershock/Aftershock22.jpg
http://jen-garner.net/modules/coppermine/albums/public/2004/kidschoice/kids-choice30.jpg (luckiest kids in the world)
http://jen-garner.net/modules/coppermine/albums/movies/elektra/elektra-bts-007.jpg (Elektra set)
http://jen-garner.net/modules/coppermine/albums/movies/daredevil/promos/daredevil7.jpg

[dmbjrkey]

My favorites are still from GQ magazine last year.......

[ziggyosk]

<----- New avatar ;)
mint!

[ziggyosk]

I LOVE Jennifer Garner!!

[ziggyosk]

I am salivating over those pics as we speak

[ziggyosk]

All of you Alias fans are fast asleep right now. I will be soon. *Dreams of Jennifer Garner* AHHH!!

[minigunmorgan]

What about the PC/Playstation game?

Its pretty good, I'm on the final level right now.
i liked that game.

JENNIFER GARNER!!

[ziggyosk]

i liked that game.

JENNIFER GARNER!!
you are up early today

[Beefsteak1138]

i liked that game.

JENNIFER GARNER!!
I just beat the game. Damn, she's freakin' hot, even in digital form.

[ziggyosk]

I just beat the game. Damn, she's freakin' hot, even in digital form.
Hell yeah she is!!

[minigunmorgan]

i got this bitchin alias shirt off of the abc website. i dont have a link, but ill post a picture of it. its got jennifer garner on it . . . i just want to stand in front of the mirror all day and drool.

[minigunmorgan]

I just beat the game. Damn, she's freakin' hot, even in digital form.
what was the last level?

[Beefsteak1138]

what was the last level?
Russian Bunker.

You get to fight some random chick w/ a sword, Sloan and Anna Espinosa.

[penn darvis]

i liked that game.

JENNIFER GARNER!!
Those are great.

[Beefsteak1138]

http://www.webindia123.com/news/showdetails.asp?id=38720&cat=Entertainment :lol

[dmbjrkey]

In addition to Jen, there seems to be a fascination with Victor Garber on this board. LOL

[Beefsteak1138]

In addition to Jen, there seems to be a fascination with Victor Garber on this board. LOL
Because he is the MAN.

[minigunmorgan]

Ya!! He Is The Man!! The Man!!

[Talula62]

Am at work, don't have much to say except Jack kicks your ass!!!!

Edited to say: Someone ask some crazy show related question we can speculate about!!! I can't think of anything at this particular moment!!

[minigunmorgan]

alright dudes, lets get 10 pages by the end of the night. lets speculate about what part, if any, jack played in sydney's missing 2 years. jack told sydney that irina was helping him find sydney, and thats why he was in jail. irina and jack did work together though, because in their aol im, jack said "i need your help AGAIN" and irina missed him, wich would lead us to believe that niether of them were responsible for syds dissapearence.

and to keep us going all night, hers some jennifer garner. holy hotness.

[minigunmorgan]

where my peeps at?

[penn darvis]

Thanks for the pics.

[penn darvis]

Page 2?????

http://www.alias-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimagepopup&pid=16154&fullsize=1

[Beefsteak1138]

Page 2?????

http://www.alias-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimagepopup&pid=16154&fullsize=1
* Drools in thread *

[penn darvis]

What happened to the 10 page goal?

[penn darvis]

Cool Vartan article. Lucky bastard.

By Richard Deitsch

Sports Illustrated writer-reporter Richard Deitsch recently interview Michael Vartan, the 35-year-old star of Alias and avid L.A Kings and Mets fan. Here's more of their conversation:

SI: Your list of female co-stars includes Drew Barrymore, Gwyneth Paltrow, Madonna, Jennifer Aniston, Jennifer Lopez and Jennifer Garner. What did you do in a previous life to become so fortunate?

Vartan: I must have been a coal miner in the late 1800s in Pennsylvania somewhere and either the mine collapsed or I died of black lung. But put Jennifer Garner at the top of that list.

SI: You can be one hockey player for one day. Who would you choose?

Vartan: Can I have two? I'd choose Wayne Gretzky, just to be able to play hockey and have everything around me be in slow motion. And anyone on the L.A. Kings. If you cut me, I bleed purple.

SI: What NHL player's game is closest to yours?

Vartan: I'm definitely not the biggest guy; I'm more of a playmaker. I think "pass" before "shoot." I'm certainly not going to say Gretzky because having both our names in the same sentence would be blasphemous. How about Alexei Zhamnov?

SI: Best guy you've played with or against?

Vartan: Without a doubt, [former NHL player] Glenn Anderson. I played with him at the All-Star Game when it was here in L.A in 2002.

SI: Your greatest athletic moment?

Vartan: When I was 14 years old I played soccer in France and tried out for a pro team called Paris St. Germain. I was accepted into the farm system as a goaltender but my father didn't want to drive from our village so I never got a chance to play for the team. So that was my greatest moment, being OK'd by a pro soccer team. I honestly think that had the cards been dealt differently that's what I would be doing right now. I'm not saying I could be [Fabian] Bartez but I believe without a shadow of a doubt I could have played second division or maybe first.

SI: You once said in an interview that you like healthy, corn-fed women who aren't afraid to have a steak, drink a cosmopolitan and enjoy life. Do you look for the same qualities in a hockey player?

Vartan: The corn-fed part, yes.

SI: What's your Stanley Cup prediction?

Vartan: I like Calgary. The Flames have a blue-collar team and they're fast. I think Jerome Iginla is the best player in hockey. Everything changed when he dropped the gloves with Derian Hatcher in the Detroit series. Being a Kings fan I've always hated the Flames, especially back in the late 1980s when Joel Otto and Doug Gilmour and Mike Vernon were stoning us. I think Calgary in six against Tampa Bay.

SI: What kind of athlete would do well on Alias?

Vartan: I think any hockey, football or basketball player because of all the running and physicality of the show. Golfers and bowlers would have a harder time.

SI: Why are all the women in our office much more interested in my interview with you than they were in my conversation with Tim Russert?

Vartan: I guess it's amazing how much more handsome you get when you're on TV.

SI: The "HOCKEY . . . GET IT? GET IT!" campaign began airing in October 2003, and has starred Jim Belushi, Denis Leary, Kiefer Sutherland, Shania Twain and now you. How would that group do against a bunch of beer-league players?

Vartan: Well, I'll say Denis is not a bad hockey player at all. He's played in our game once or twice and he's pretty good. Belushi, I don't if he's good. I doubt Shania plays at all. But if they fed me the puck, I think we'd do all right.

SI: Who is the best Hollywood type you've played hockey with?

Vartan: David E. Kelly.

SI: How does a tough guy like you own a dog named Millie?

Vartan: She's a chocolate lab. I was going to get a male dog and call it Metro -- short for the New York Metropolitans and a wink to the French subway system -- and Astro is my favorite dog character in cartoons. But then one of my friends said, "Dude, is your dog a metrosexual so that ruined it for me." Then I was going to call it Stanley in honor of Lord Stanley's Cup, but I ended up with a girl and called it Millie.

SI: Men's Fitness Magazine named you one of Hollywood's Top 10 Toughest Guys. Where does honor rank with, say, an Oscar or a Golden Globe?

Vartan: I think it actually will be below the Golden Toilet. I'm certainly not a tough guy. I'm a lover not a fighter.

SI: When we interviewed Kiefer Sutherland, Denis Leary and Cuba Gooding Jr.in this same space and asked who the best celebrity player is, how come none of them mentioned Michael Vartan?

Vartan: Because they hadn't played with me at the time.

SI: How often do you play?

Vartan: I haven't playing much lately because of the movie I'm making. But when I'm not working I play Tuesday, Thursday and Sunday. Priorities, man.

SI: How much are you lobbying the writers to be able to show off your hockey skills on Alias?

Vartan: I do it all the time. We've shot three on-ice scenes and it's one of the few times I feel like a professional hockey player because I'm getting paid to skate around the ice.

SI: You are frequently the source of tabloid fodder. Ever have a ridiculous rumor about you that involves sports?

Vartan: Unfortunately, no. I would welcome any ridiculous rumor involving sports. Apparently, I've been married two times and pregnant once.

SI: What's more difficult: Taking a bodycheck in a celebrity hockey game or getting naked in front of Robin Williams as you did in One Hour Photo?

Vartan: Well, definitely getting naked in front of Robin Williams because there is no checking in celebrity hockey.

SI: You briefly made a career as a pool hustler. How good were you?

Vartan: That was sort of a product of not being able to get arrested as an actor and I thought what better way to give my money to strange people with strange names like Baltimore John and Filipino Phil. I was pretty good. I think if I really stuck to it I could have maybe made a small living at it. But I really didn't have the killer instinct. My game was good but my hustling was terrible. My handle -- and this is embarrassing -- was The Poodle. There was a guy named Hollywood Jack who said: "You play nine ball like a bulldog but play one pocket like a poodle.'" The next day I walked into the pool hall and some guy said, "Hey, Poodle, you want to play?'"

SI: True or False: You were playing hockey during this year's Golden Globes ceremony?

Vartan: I was indeed. Then I had a quick shower, stepped into a phone booth and put on my rent a tux, and met my girlfriend [Alias co-star Jennifer Garner] for a couple of drinks. What a Sunday night, huh?

[penn darvis]

Some more Melissa pics.

http://www.alias-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimagepopup&pid=31350&fullsize=1
http://www.alias-media.com/modules/coppermine/albums/cast/mg/THIEVES_48.jpg

[penn darvis]

alright dudes, lets get 10 pages by the end of the night. lets speculate about what part, if any, jack played in sydney's missing 2 years. jack told sydney that irina was helping him find sydney, and thats why he was in jail. irina and jack did work together though, because in their aol im, jack said "i need your help AGAIN" and irina missed him, wich would lead us to believe that niether of them were responsible for syds dissapearence.

and to keep us going all night, hers some jennifer garner. holy hotness.
I don't know if Jack played any part in her disappearance, but maybe he knew later, as did Kendall and Dixon.

[dmbjrkey]

Liked the Vartan interview and how he keeps sucking up to Jen....

[ktyladie]

Liked the Vartan interview and how he keeps sucking up to Jen....
yeah they make a cute couple though.. didn she just divorce some guy last year ?

[penn darvis]

yeah they make a cute couple though.. didn she just divorce some guy last year ?
Scott Foley.

[Talula62]

Scott Foley.

Holy crap - Scott Foley is HOTTTTTT.

Anyway - hmmm - speculating about Jack's role in Syd's two years. I can't decide if he was behind it or if he just found out about it before anyone else. It would be really interesting if he was behind it - but damn - he better have a good freaking reason for it!! I mean, it seems like it would be the latter because it is logical to conclude that The Covenant took Syd in order to get her help to find her sister eventually..even though it apparently took them 2 years to do that...... :ugh:

Okay, maybe it's not so logical. Even if it were logical, though, then it would seem that it couldn't be the reason because this show is never LOGICAL. :) I just hope they give us a few answers, just a FEW, and not make us wait until mid-season to pretend-answer questions, like they did with that whole Kendall telling Syd where she was thing that really seemed like it was missing about 10 pieces of the puzzle.

[minigunmorgan]

Some more Melissa pics.

http://www.alias-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimagepopup&pid=31350&fullsize=1
http://www.alias-media.com/modules/coppermine/albums/cast/mg/THIEVES_48.jpg
maybe if she was on another show i would think she was hot, but standing next to jennifer garner, mellisa george looks like crap on a stick. jennifer garner is just amazingly, unrealisticly, extremeley, totally, off chain-ing-ly hot. if i ever saw her id be like :eek:

anyway, i was thinking. irina gave birth to nadia while she was in jail, and then catya joined the russian secret service to help locate nadia. so irina and caya, 2 wicked tight people, went 25 years without picking up a trace? i dont think so. i would bet that they found her, turned her, and worked with her to complete rambaldis endgame or whatever irina's endgame.

what do you think?

JENNIFER GARNER!! OH MY LORD!!

[minigunmorgan]

Page 2?????

http://www.alias-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimagepopup&pid=16154&fullsize=1
"what was wrong with the black one?"
"gackagggh!"
"you think its comfortable wearing clothes like this?"
"aaaacgggggg!!"
"this isnt my first day on the job, i disconnected your call button!"
"gack!"
"tell me how to access server 47!"
"i dont know what your talking about!"
*tighter*
"behind the frame! theres a terminal!"

[minigunmorgan]

"put Jennifer Garner at the top of that list"

holy sh!t ya.

[Talula62]

"what was wrong with the black one?"
"gackagggh!"
"you think its comfortable wearing clothes like this?"
"aaaacgggggg!!"
"this isnt my first day on the job, i disconnected your call button!"
"gack!"
"tell me how to access server 47!"
"i dont know what your talking about!"
*tighter*
"behind the frame! theres a terminal!"


*drools in thread*

*runs to put in DVDs*

So, yeah, someone has HAD to figure out what Nadia's part in the Rambaldi shit is....but I sorta think Jack's been working with Irina this whole time. God, this storyline needs Lena Olin. Please PLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEASE come back to us!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[minigunmorgan]

i would make out with bethany if they brought back lena olin.

[penn darvis]

Bring back Lena Olin and Quentin Tarantino!!!!

[minigunmorgan]

bring back marshall, for the love of god dont kill him.

[penn darvis]

Yeah for Marshall.

[Talula62]

*Tops* Page 4 is no good. :) Well, if I wasn't in an Alias slump already, the No-more-Sopranos-till-2005 thing makes it even worse!!!

I'm sure Marshall will come back - they can't do that. Plus, who on this show hasn't nearly died once or twice??

I think a good question is, who will be a double agent next season and will they be evil? I mean, it used to be Syd. Then there was Francie/Allison (not exactly a double "agent" though), then there was Lauren. Seems like it could be Jack. Maybe he's a Covenant mole for the CIA. Maybe we'll find out what/who the F@*# the Covenant actually is.

[minigunmorgan]

page 3 is no good.

the covenant...ya!! lets start a list of all covenant activity. presumably, the first action that we can associate with the covenant is when cole invaded sd-6. there may be other things that were done by the covenant, but at this time there is no proof for it.

[penn darvis]

There was a giant hole in my Sunday night now that Alias is gone.

Covenant activity could potentially be traced back to episode #1.

While we are it, trace the significance of #47 and of "Alice in Wonderland."

[minigunmorgan]

wo..the people in the alias boards at abc are nutty. they said that the original profile for jack said his name was "johnathan donahue bristow". crazy.

[Beefsteak1138]

While we are it, trace the significance of #47 and of "Alice in Wonderland."

Syd was dressed up as Alice for a Halloween party in Season 1. Her code name on the Venezuelan mission in Season 1 was "White Rabbit"

[Beefsteak1138]

There's also a society related to the number 47

http://www.47.net/47society/

[Talula62]

wo..the people in the alias boards at abc are nutty. they said that the original profile for jack said his name was "johnathan donahue bristow". crazy.

That's true. It's in an episode too, from Season 1. When they pull out that video tape of Irina and the guy who also supposedly died in the same car accident - it was her debrief upon returning to the KGB. She says his name in it. Glad he goes by Jack b/c Jon just doesn't have the same ring to it, in this particular case. ;)

Weiss gives Syd a first edition Alice in Wonderland book in the 2nd or 3rd eppy of Season 3. The 47 thing - people find it everywhere. Someone posted the other day at an Alias board "Jack = 4 letters, Bristow = 7 letters so Jack Bristow = 47." Now that could be stretching it!

[minigunmorgan]

HOLY FLAMING BAGS OF CRAP!!

i cant take credit for this, i read it on the alias board. we're all assuming SAB stands for syd's initials, sydney anne bristow. what if it means

[minigunmorgan]

switched...

[minigunmorgan]

at...

[minigunmorgan]

birth!

[minigunmorgan]

that would be sweet! project "switched at birth 47". who would she be switched with?

[penn darvis]

Nadia???

[penn darvis]

Weiss gives Syd a first edition Alice in Wonderland book in the 2nd or 3rd eppy of Season 3. The 47 thing - people find it everywhere. Someone posted the other day at an Alias board "Jack = 4 letters, Bristow = 7 letters so Jack Bristow = 47." Now that could be stretching it!

Later, when Jack meets Katya at Syd's, he is reading the book.

[Talula62]

Hmmm...I can see how someone would have theorized that, as there's been a lot of speculation about Syd's and Nadia's Phrophecy roles being switched. But, I've never jumped onto that train of thought. I think there needs to be clarification with the Prophecy (original one) b/c of the whole Mt. Subasio thing....but that's another story.

But, Nadia is like 6 years younger than Syd. Also, Syd looks an awful lot like Irina!! The 47 of SAB 47 HAS to be significant though, right? They can't just throw it in with all its significance...right? So, was she the 47th Spybaby made to test projects on? Or is the 47 a straight up Rambaldi reference, as in, Jack knew she was a Prophecy baby? If he did....how could he have?

[Talula62]

^^^^Add on: Thing is, Jack couldn't have known Syd would be a ProphecyBaby unless he knew Irina was Irina and not Laura. But, if Irina disappeared in 1981, and Jack and Irina were together for 10 years (since 1971) and Irina had deceived him for 5 years....that would make it 1976 that Jack found out Irina was KGB. Syd was already born.

[minigunmorgan]

Mt. Subasio could be anything. it could be a code name for anything.

by the way, im begining to think sloane killed ziggyosk

[Talula62]

Yeah, great point on the code name. I wish they'd actually address that whole thing again.

Ziggyosk - save yourself. Tell Sloane what he wants to know!

[dmbjrkey]

It is all so confusing......

[ziggyosk]

Because he is the MAN.
Hell yeah he's the man!

[ziggyosk]

maybe if she was on another show i would think she was hot, but standing next to jennifer garner, mellisa george looks like crap on a stick. jennifer garner is just amazingly, unrealisticly, extremeley, totally, off chain-ing-ly hot. if i ever saw her id be like :eek:

anyway, i was thinking. irina gave birth to nadia while she was in jail, and then catya joined the russian secret service to help locate nadia. so irina and caya, 2 wicked tight people, went 25 years without picking up a trace? i dont think so. i would bet that they found her, turned her, and worked with her to complete rambaldis endgame or whatever irina's endgame.

what do you think?

JENNIFER GARNER!! OH MY LORD!!
I whole heartedly agree with both statements!

[ziggyosk]

Bring back Lena Olin and Quentin Tarantino!!!!
HELL YEAH!!!

[ziggyosk]

bring back marshall, for the love of god dont kill him.
Once again. . .
HELL YEAH!!

[ziggyosk]

Yeah, great point on the code name. I wish they'd actually address that whole thing again.

Ziggyosk - save yourself. Tell Sloane what he wants to know!
I took Sloane out!

[ziggyosk]

Then I made out with Sydney!!
:bounce :monkey :multi :rolleyes:

[ziggyosk]

Actually, I was in Michigan

[ziggyosk]

Finally this thread is back at the top!

[ziggyosk]

I guess it just needed me to come back

[penn darvis]

I tried, but it was hard to keep things up after I ran out of pics.

[Talula62]

I once had a dream that Sloane was forcing me to work for him - I had to to what he said b/c I was scared of him. But, I was really excited in my dream that I got to work for him. I didn't care he was EEEEEvil.

Oh yeah, I forgot: *tops*

[penn darvis]

Cool dream.

[ziggyosk]

I once had a dream that Sloane was forcing me to work for him - I had to to what he said b/c I was scared of him. But, I was really excited in my dream that I got to work for him. I didn't care he was EEEEEvil.

Oh yeah, I forgot: *tops*
Sloane would be a pretty sweet boss!

[ziggyosk]

He's a hell of alot cooler than my boss!!!

[ziggyosk]

jus gettin this back on top

[Beefsteak1138]

He's a hell of alot cooler than my boss!!!
Damn, you're boss must suck ass.

[ziggyosk]

Damn, you're boss must suck ass.
he does! as much as sloane is bad, he is pretty sweet I must say.

[ziggyosk]

although he doesn't touch Jack!

[Talula62]

This is a test. I've written two rather lengthy posts - several paragraphs anyway - and the site keeps logging me out before I finish and post. So...........testing...........and............what are y'all's overall thoughts on Season 3?? That's what my long post was about.

[Talula62]

My thing is, I used to be one of the Lauren haters. Not really because of her being between Syd and Vaughn. I mean, I like Syd and Vaughn alot, but they aren't why I watch. Besides that, I personally think love triangles are totally weak storylines. The monkeys running ABC were pushing the triangle, so the Alias sites say JJ has said.

Anyway - if I have any problem with Lauren it's that she's not the villian that Sloane and Sark are and so I find her unnecessary and a waste of my time. BUT, that isn't really about her - it's about how she's written. And I didn't invest in her. For whatever reason, I just didn't get into Lauren. Now, I'm wondering if it might be due to the fact that right before she went EVIL, I started reading spoilers. Any thoughts??

I ask because I've started reading transcripts of Season 3 eppys and I've gotten through the first four episodes - and they are SO good!!! So, maybe when I can watch the episodes all in a row again, I'll invest more into Lauren. Hmmm. Dunno.

[ziggyosk]

My thing is, I used to be one of the Lauren haters. Not really because of her being between Syd and Vaughn. I mean, I like Syd and Vaughn alot, but they aren't why I watch. Besides that, I personally think love triangles are totally weak storylines. The monkeys running ABC were pushing the triangle, so the Alias sites say JJ has said.

Anyway - if I have any problem with Lauren it's that she's not the villian that Sloane and Sark are and so I find her unnecessary and a waste of my time. BUT, that isn't really about her - it's about how she's written. And I didn't invest in her. For whatever reason, I just didn't get into Lauren. Now, I'm wondering if it might be due to the fact that right before she went EVIL, I started reading spoilers. Any thoughts??

I ask because I've started reading transcripts of Season 3 eppys and I've gotten through the first four episodes - and they are SO good!!! So, maybe when I can watch the episodes all in a row again, I'll invest more into Lauren. Hmmm. Dunno.
Are you saying its because you read spoilers before the episodes came out?

[Talula62]

Yeah, maybe because I knew she was going to be bad before she went bad and I knew ahead of time several other parts of her storyline....(gettin it on with Sark, orders to kill her dad, Vaughn's torture, that she'd do the revealing to Syd, for example). I guess it makes sense now - I mean, how could I have gotten into her character when I didn't care much to begin with and then knew all the good stuff ahead of time and was then never surprised?? I'm so dumb. Shoulda never read the spoilers!!!!


Anyway.... :)

[penn darvis]

Don't read spoilers.

[Beefsteak1138]

Don't read spoilers.
I agree, but I'm also hypocritical because I've been reading a bunch of Star Wars III spoilers.

[Talula62]

Yeah - y'all are right. No more spoilers. Good thing there won't be any around for quite a while. :)

[minigunmorgan]

Yeah - y'all are right. No more spoilers. Good thing there won't be any around for quite a while. :)
dont ever post spoilers in here or ther will be hell to pay

[ziggyosk]

Yeah, maybe because I knew she was going to be bad before she went bad and I knew ahead of time several other parts of her storyline....(gettin it on with Sark, orders to kill her dad, Vaughn's torture, that she'd do the revealing to Syd, for example). I guess it makes sense now - I mean, how could I have gotten into her character when I didn't care much to begin with and then knew all the good stuff ahead of time and was then never surprised?? I'm so dumb. Shoulda never read the spoilers!!!!


Anyway.... :)
I never even watch the scenes from next weeks episode, because i want my nuts to be blown to hell when I watch the episode live

[minigunmorgan]

that must feel sweet

[ziggyosk]

I agree, but I'm also hypocritical because I've been reading a bunch of Star Wars III spoilers.
I haven't read any yet, and dont think i will. I'll just wait for it to come out.