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Joe M.

06-16-2004, 11:13 PM

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<ul><li><a href="http://gravedigger.dnsalias.org/DMB%20Summer%202004/dmb2004-07-21.cmc16.txt">Robby Grossman (cmc16)</a></li>
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Crumbo

07-22-2004, 11:39 AM

this source can be found here:

http://bt.etree.org/details.php?id=6209

Dave Matthews Band
Tweeter Center
Camden, NJ
June 21, 2004

Source: M200s (X-Y, 13', -10dB pad) > Oade M148 > mod SBM-1 @ 44.1 kHz > TCD-D8
Location: Sec. 104 Row G
Taper: Dave Thoma

DAT > SHN Conversion: Dave Thoma (david.thoma@gmail.com)

Lineage: TCD-D8 > Active 7-pin > Audiowerk2 > cdwav >
Sound Forge Pro 6 > cdwav > shntool

** No DAE - DAT > .WAV > .SHN

*** PLEASE DO NOT DISTRIBUTE THIS SHOW IN MP3 OR OTHER LOSSY FORMATS ***

d1t01 Intro
d1t02 Fool to Think
d1t03 Grey Street
d1t04 Drive In Drive Out
d1t05 Seek Up
d1t06 Joy Ride

Disc Total - 50:06

d2t01 Crazy-Easy
d2t02 Crush
d2t03 The Stone
d2t04 Where Are You Going
d2t05 Sugar Will
d2t06 Intro to...
d2t07 Hello Again

Disc Total - 51:59

d3t01 Jimi Thing (For What It's Worth *)
d3t02 Help Myself
d3t03 Don't Drink the Water
d3t04 If I Had It All
d3t05 What Would You Say
d3t06 E: Good Good Time
d3t07 E: Tripping Billies

Dist Total - 58:04

Show Total - 2:40:09

* Buffalo Springfield cover

Notes:

- Crowd noise cut during the encore break.
- Thanks goes to Jordan for helping me fix my mic stand pre-show.

thisantmarches9

07-22-2004, 12:22 PM

Holy crap!!! You are one amazing taper. 12 hours after the show is over. Awesome!!! :thumbsup :thumbsup

jester29

07-22-2004, 01:06 PM

Wow... what a friggin turnaround. Great job!

Crumbo

07-22-2004, 09:52 PM

this source can be found here:

http://bt.etree.org/details.php?id=6222

Dave Matthews Band
Wednesday, July 21, 2004
Tweeter Center at the Waterfront
Camden, NJ
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Source: Shure CMC-16's > SP-SPSB-1 w/ Bass Rolloff @ 107 Hz > Sony MZ-N707/Sony MZ-R70 *
Setup: Front of lawn; ~15 feet from speakers. Seats 33-34. 14' stand. A-B Mics, 2 ft
apart.
Conv: Sony MZ-N707 > Headphone (Anlg) Out > RCA Split > Delta 1010LT > Cakewalk Guitar
Tracks Pro > Normalization to 100% > Wave Export > Cakewalk Pyro 2004 > Track
Division & Loudness Maximization > Wave Export > FLAC Frontend > FLAC (Level 5)
Taper: Robby Grossman (robby@robbygrossman.com)

* I alternated recorders during tape flips. All flips were done during crowd noise
and have been edited down so as to make them seemless.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Disclaimer: PLEASE DO NOT CONVERT TO ANY LOSSY FORMAT SUCH AS MP3
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Disc 1:
1. Intro
2. Fonzies New Idea [Tease]
3. Fool to Think
4. Grey Street
5. Drive in Drive out
6. Seek Up %
7. Joy Ride
8. Crazy Easy
9. Intro to... !
10. Crush

Disc 2:
1. The Stone
2. Where Are You Going
3. Intro to... #
4. Sugar Will
5. Intro to...
6. Hello Again @
7. Jimi Thing
8. Help Myself

Disc 3:
1. Don't Drink the Water
2. If I Had it All
3. What Would You Say
4. Encore Break $
5. Good Good Time
6. Tripping Billies

# If you leave out the Encore Break, you can fit this on two discs by starting
disc 2 with the introduction to "Sugar Will"
! I believe there is a "#41" tease in there on the bassline. What a cruel bastard
Steffan is. :P
@ Contains a Carter "has fifty hands" Beauford solo.
$ Bastards brought back the "Two Step" chant.
% First playing all tour
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
A sincere thank you goes to DMB management, who came over and told the head of Tweeter
Management to fuck off (he said it nicer than that) when he tried to stop me from taping
due to his own ignorance. A "thanks, but no thanks" goes out to the man who stood next
to me, who offered to show me his wife's breasts against her will. A shoutout goes to
Alan for wanting me to give him a shoutout. Happy Birthday Chris! Sorry I missed ya!
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2stepsoright

07-22-2004, 10:15 PM

what no shoutout for me?

rhuss

07-22-2004, 11:51 PM

what no shoutout for me?
:lol

Noles20

07-24-2004, 12:22 AM

Has anyone heard both of these sources? Is one better than the other?

hearmorphish

07-25-2004, 12:21 PM

how do you get seat numbers in the lawn?

hearmorphish

07-25-2004, 12:22 PM

oh, yeah, i like the thoma source

LovinDmb

07-25-2004, 12:48 PM

ambysshrink

07-29-2004, 03:22 PM

sorry about the sep. thread on the 7-21 shows....

anyway, Grossman's source bothers me for one reason; Crush's track begins with "crazy...." the ENTIRE intro is cut right up to where the vocals come in. I know usually its just the bass intro but even the guitar is in the intro...
Sorry about that guys... someone gave me the idea to do it like that, and I'm regretting it... I got a lot of crap about it, so I won't do it again, as obviously nobody really likes it that way.

I'd retrack it, but that would just cause confusiong amongst the sources at this point. SOrry guys, won't do it again.

Crumbo

07-29-2004, 03:27 PM

Robby...are you at wheaton college as in Wheaton, IL?

ambysshrink

07-29-2004, 03:50 PM

Robby...are you at wheaton college as in Wheaton, IL?
Helllls no. Not that [Die-hard catholic] Wheaton. Wheaton in Norton, MA.

Crumbo

07-29-2004, 03:51 PM

Helllls no. Not that [Die-hard catholic] Wheaton. Wheaton in Norton, MA.

:lol :lol :thumbsup

thanks for taping and keeping the DMB section of the groove organized :cool:

ambysshrink

07-29-2004, 03:54 PM

:lol :lol :thumbsup

thanks for taping and keeping the DMB section of the groove organized :cool:
No problem... i just wanna get the groove back! That's by far my favorite board! And not just cuz i'm a mod and on the dev team ;)

BigEyedFish36

07-29-2004, 04:37 PM

I wonder if any other tape is going to be released. Im not enjoying either one of these recordings.

rhuss

07-29-2004, 05:18 PM

I wonder if any other tape is going to be released. Im not enjoying either one of these recordings.
maybe ... maybe not ... guess you'll just have to wait and see.

Noles20

07-29-2004, 07:12 PM

I wonder if any other tape is going to be released. Im not enjoying either one of these recordings.

I don't think anyone was able to get very close for this show. Thoma was back further and off to the side as compared to 7/20. There was a taper who was in front of the stack, about 6 rows back on Roi's side. I spoke to him briefly and thanked him for taping. We introduced ourselves to each other and I didn't recognize his name. He said that his tapes aren't up for download anywhere. He just gives copies to college kids is what he told me.

ambysshrink

07-29-2004, 07:41 PM

He said that his tapes aren't up for download anywhere. He just gives copies to college kids is what he told me.
Treason!

thoman8r

07-30-2004, 01:18 AM

FPrefect61

07-30-2004, 11:49 AM

I don't think anyone was able to get very close for this show. Thoma was back further and off to the side as compared to 7/20. There was a taper who was in front of the stack, about 6 rows back on Roi's side. I spoke to him briefly and thanked him for taping. We introduced ourselves to each other and I didn't recognize his name. He said that his tapes aren't up for download anywhere. He just gives copies to college kids is what he told me.
I was close to that guy too, didn't talk to him though. I don't know if his tape would be that great either. He was sitting next to three meathead girls who screamed all night long (and not in a good way).

Dave, I'm loving your 7/20 tape, sounds wonderful. :)

Noles20

07-30-2004, 12:06 PM

Do you remember his name?

No. I don't remember it anymore. I would probably remember it if I heard it.

Noles20

08-03-2004, 12:36 AM

Naylor's tape is on the Ants downloader. I just noticed it. Any word on how this one sounds? I am downloading it now.

Naediel

08-03-2004, 12:49 AM

I'm getting it now too, and I got a few tracks and it sounds awesome, just like all of Naylor's other tapes. Good stuff! This is the best source of this show to me.

FPrefect61

08-03-2004, 01:12 AM

Damn, how many shows has Naylor done this tour?

Noles20

08-03-2004, 10:56 AM

Damn, how many shows has Naylor done this tour?

I don't know but I hope he soes some more! His version sounds really good! Thanks Eric!!!!!!

FPrefect61

08-03-2004, 10:56 AM

I don't know but I hope he soes some more! His version sounds really good! Thanks Eric!!!!!!
How's his compared to Thoma's?

TwoStep51901

08-03-2004, 01:03 PM

How's his compared to Thoma's?
better IMO

Naediel

08-03-2004, 01:04 PM

I think it is definitely better after listening to the whole thing.

Mark

08-03-2004, 01:35 PM

naylor's sounds amazing.

Noles20

08-03-2004, 01:49 PM

How's his compared to Thoma's?

Better. Thoma's hat a bit of an echo sound to it. He was back a little bit and off to the side. If you listen to Thoma's night 1 and night 2, there is a clear difference. Naylor's night 2 is similar in quality to Thoma's night 1.

Thanks to Eric Naylor and Dave Thoma for providing the community with these tapes. I hope that comparing the 2 copies does not offend anyone. My intent is certainly not to be offensive or ingrateful in anyway.

Naediel

08-03-2004, 01:54 PM

:thumbsup I agree, I'm just thankful that all these tapers get their sources out and thankful that they even tape at all. Good job guys!

BustedJeff

08-04-2004, 03:19 PM

Naylor's sounds AMAZING. He does some great recordings.