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warriors1226

07-09-2004, 01:32 AM

I taped 7-7, so did Adam McCullough...my tape is being redone at the moment, will be out soon :)

crzynickey

07-09-2004, 09:07 AM

ill lbe looking for it
such a great show cant wait to relive it this weekend while a i have some drink

AGAIN!

warriors1226

07-10-2004, 04:07 AM

wow...you're wasted when you wrote that one.

scoot_14

07-10-2004, 12:56 PM

I taped 7-7, so did Adam McCullough...my tape is being redone at the moment, will be out soon :)

I'm glad to hear, I liked how your tape came on for 07-06, great job man. Were you one of the guys down near the right stack at night two? I saw two tapers down there.

sayrai88

07-12-2004, 02:04 PM

Brian your taping of 7-6-04 was awesome, my first time d/l-ing a show and I'm sooooo glad I did, I can't wait to hear 7-7-04, you ROCK! THANKS!!!!!!!!!

scoot_14

07-13-2004, 06:56 PM

Hey guys, any word on how those sources are going? I know we've still got a ways to go before two weeks is up but seeing all these newer shows coming out is driving me nuts.

firedwarftj

07-13-2004, 09:04 PM

I'm eagerly awaiting the tape from the 7th, the one for the 6th came out great. I really want to hear how Everyday came out. Thanks guys for all u do ... we apperciate all ur work.

larrabee

07-13-2004, 10:01 PM

all who were there on 7/7 feel the pain of all the new shows already comming out. its kinda weird but brian has ashured us its on the way. maybe tonight? as soon as its up i will leave the torrent open for you all.

kevin

greppson

07-13-2004, 10:13 PM

from what i've seen, the more you ask, the longer it takes. a lot of tapers tape a string of shows, so that may be why you haven't seen many.

so just wait and stop expecting it.:)

Crumbo

07-13-2004, 10:14 PM

from what i've seen, the more you ask, the longer it takes. a lot of tapers tape a string of shows, so that may be why you haven't seen many.

so just wait and stop expecting it.:)

:thumbsup

scoot_14

07-13-2004, 10:16 PM

I'm eagerly awaiting the tape from the 7th, the one for the 6th came out great. I really want to hear how Everyday came out. Thanks guys for all u do ... we apperciate all ur work.

Yeah I have Brian's tape from the 6th and I love how it came out. Great job for sure. I had heard that they may have been some issues with the second night and that's probably the reason for the delay. I keep checking the boards every few hours...I can't wait to hear 7/7 again.

Davenumber40

07-13-2004, 11:17 PM

I keep checking the boards every few hours...

:lol

scoot_14

07-13-2004, 11:43 PM

:lol

I'm here anyways, not like I'm going out of my way/ :bounce

batleon

07-14-2004, 10:06 AM

Arrrrgh! Every time I see a new posting to this thread I think it's an update about the show and instead it's more people talking about how the tape still isn't out yet! What say we stop posting here until there's some REAL news? :BANG

greppson

07-14-2004, 10:12 AM

PATIENCE people. patience.

justinfisher78

07-14-2004, 10:24 AM

I taped 7-7, so did Adam McCullough...my tape is being redone at the moment, will be out soon :)

/\ everyone asking for this show....read that.

Furbush got a solid 7.6 recording, have some patience. you should appreciate the fact that he's working to make 7.7 just as solid if not better.

Davenumber40

07-14-2004, 06:34 PM

Arrrrgh! Every time I see a new posting to this thread I think it's an update about the show and instead it's more people talking about how the tape still isn't out yet! What say we stop posting here until there's some REAL news? :BANG

Nope, it still isn't up yet.

batleon

07-14-2004, 07:30 PM

Nope, it still isn't up yet.
Are you trying to be funny?

greppson

07-14-2004, 08:08 PM

i'm quoting myself cause some people here doesn't seem to understand reading. the more you ask and question where it is, the more tapers are going to think you are ungreatful. so BE PATIENT. anyways, it hasn't even BEEN TWO WEEKS. regardless of other shows coming out, the two week rule is still in effect last i checked as COMMON COURTESY!

rhuss

07-14-2004, 11:21 PM

so BE PATIENT. anyways, it hasn't even BEEN TWO WEEKS. regardless of other shows coming out, the two week rule is still in effect last i checked as COMMON COURTESY!
:thumbsup

AJDMB05

07-15-2004, 12:39 PM

I hate to say it, but when people are providing recordings of new songs via cell phone 20 minutes after the song is over and while the show is still going on, you can preach two-week rule until you're blue in the face, no one's going to care.

That said, I look forward to this show again, fuck all the negativity Brian, your 7/6 was awesome.

rhuss

07-15-2004, 02:02 PM

I hate to say it, but when people are providing recordings of new songs via cell phone 20 minutes after the song is over and while the show is still going on, you can preach two-week rule until you're blue in the face, no one's going to care.
:confused:

lets see ... cell phone recording (probably mp3) vs some akg's, mk4's, or dpa's (etc.) ... your not even in the same category. let me know when you get a cell phone recording even close to the quality that a taper releases.

2 week rule still applies.

Davenumber40

07-15-2004, 07:51 PM

Are you trying to be funny?

Nope. I just enjoyed the image of you getting orgasmic that the show was out and then having your dreams crushed.

greppson

07-15-2004, 08:31 PM

I hate to say it, but when people are providing recordings of new songs via cell phone 20 minutes after the song is over and while the show is still going on, you can preach two-week rule until you're blue in the face, no one's going to care.

That said, I look forward to this show again, fuck all the negativity Brian, your 7/6 was awesome.
comments like that, EXPECTING that shows come out fast is what kept 9.2.03 and 9.3.03 from coming out until 6 months after each show.

Gregb486

07-16-2004, 01:15 PM

as much as its so tempting to bitch and complain about not getting a show the day after, cause so many have come out fast, which is great, i can't complain about this. so at one show the person who taped didn't go home right away and start all the conversions. give the guy a break, some people have better things to do than to play with shows all day long. its gonna come eventually, so have some patience, its good for ya. if you really have such problems with it, go and tape the shows yourself.

AJDMB05

07-16-2004, 06:47 PM

You guys totally missed my point. I have no problem waiting, I'm saying whether people are aware of the two week rule or not, the rate at which we get recordings makes people forget and disregard it. Obviously the cell phone thing was indistinguishable, I'm just saying that's what the newer downloaders are used to. I can't make my point without sounding like a prick, that's why I added what I added in my initial reply in the end, I have no problem waiting.

sayrai88

07-19-2004, 07:00 PM

Has there ever been a time when a show never came out or had so many problems that they never released it? 7/7 was such an incredible show we all can't help hoping it comes out soon :confused:

dm40band

07-19-2004, 10:32 PM

the reason why its not out is due to all of you :BANG

batleon

07-20-2004, 01:09 PM

I for one want to apologize to everyone for my earlier postings here and in another thread regarding this show ( http://www.antsmarching.org/forum/showthread.php?p=1908593#post1908593 ). It seems my ignorance only contributed to making a bad situation worse. I'm going to stay out of the way from now on.

sayrai88

07-20-2004, 01:46 PM

Sorry that we're anxious and excited to get the show. Its not like we're bugging the tapers directly though, I thought we were allowed to discuss just not ask?

cmdace18

07-24-2004, 02:48 PM

timeframe for this show? its past 2 weeks .... com'on YO

Davenumber40

07-24-2004, 03:04 PM

Whenever the hell the tapers feel like releasing it. How's that?

Gregb486

07-24-2004, 06:01 PM

mwar

greppson

07-24-2004, 06:08 PM

the more you push people ask and push, the longer it'll probably take to get out.

be granted for what you have and stop EXPECTING that tapers have to release ANYTHING. PERIOD.

AJDMB05

07-24-2004, 07:23 PM

argh. stop topping this when the show isn't out... and it's really off-putting to new downloaders when they basically get told "asking for the show only makes it take longer", which at face value, is a little ridiculous.

thecurerox

07-28-2004, 09:11 PM

The cure is coming to the tweeter center in mansfield...anyone goin? its on the 7th...

Davenumber40

07-28-2004, 09:47 PM

The cure is coming to the tweeter center in mansfield...anyone goin? its on the 7th...

Show Download and Source Discussion > Downloading Shows > Source Discussion > Best Recordings (Summer 2004 Tour)> 7-07-04

How?

Crumbo

07-28-2004, 09:49 PM

Show Download and Source Discussion > Downloading Shows > Source Discussion > Best Recordings (Summer 2004 Tour)> 7-07-04

How?

that's a great jam by the Cure....I just wish they would do a Show Download and Source Discussion reprise at the end of 7-07-04

:ugh:

greppson

07-28-2004, 10:00 PM

argh. stop topping this when the show isn't out... and it's really off-putting to new downloaders when they basically get told "asking for the show only makes it take longer", which at face value, is a little ridiculous.
stop getting worked up because people are having a discussion on a discussion board.

oh, and stop expecting the show to be out just because this thread is topped.

cmdace18

07-28-2004, 10:12 PM

stop getting worked up because people are having a discussion on a discussion board.

oh, and stop expecting the show to be out just because this thread is topped.
most of your 25,000 posts are yelling at people - youre gunna have a heart attack

The_Wizard

07-28-2004, 10:49 PM

most of your 25,000 posts are yelling at people - youre gunna have a heart attack

Leave grep alone...

:twak

Davenumber40

07-29-2004, 07:02 PM

that's a great jam by the Cure....I just wish they would do a Show Download and Source Discussion reprise at the end of 7-07-04

:ugh:

:lol

I need to stop posting when I'm not sober. Crazy things like that happen

copewithit55

08-01-2004, 01:14 AM

i hate to do what everybody else has done and complained about this show not being available to them but it seems this "two week rule" is turning into a 2 month rule. I have patience i don't mind waiting for it but i don't enjoy checking this site every day to see if the show is up yet. does anybody know about when this show will be available. like a week? or is this a month thing we have to wait for?

FPrefect61

08-01-2004, 01:28 AM

i hate to do what everybody else has done and complained about this show not being available to them but it seems this "two week rule" is turning into a 2 month rule. I have patience i don't mind waiting for it but i don't enjoy checking this site every day to see if the show is up yet. does anybody know about when this show will be available. like a week? or is this a month thing we have to wait for?
You should follow your own advice and cope with it

Also, what the hell calendar are you using? 2 months? :confused:

scotiey

08-01-2004, 04:01 AM

Hi all, don't mean to complain or be pushy but if anyone has a copy of this I'd love to get my hands on this show. It was my finances first DMB show and the lovin' was great that night. I'd like to use it as background music for future nookie! Taper, if you'd like to set up something off-line I can be reached at scottiey50@yahoo.com
Many thanks!
Scott

keithtown

08-01-2004, 04:26 AM

Hi all, don't mean to complain or be pushy but if anyone has a copy of this I'd love to get my hands on this show. It was my finances first DMB show and the lovin' was great that night. I'd like to use it as background music for future nookie! Taper, if you'd like to set up something off-line I can be reached at scottiey50@yahoo.com
Many thanks!
Scott

Dude that's orginal, but I don't think that is going to get the recording out any sooner, but thanks for the laugh. :lol :lol

rhuss

08-01-2004, 10:39 AM

I have patience i don't mind waiting for it but i don't enjoy checking this site every day to see if the show is up yet. does anybody know about when this show will be available. like a week? or is this a month thing we have to wait for? nobody except the taper knows when they will release it ... its not like we have any inside info ... it will be out when its out ... until then check back whenever you want ...

Hi all, don't mean to complain or be pushy but if anyone has a copy of this I'd love to get my hands on this show.
have you not read the thread ... the show is not out yet ...

AJDMB05

08-01-2004, 02:01 PM

Hi all, don't mean to complain or be pushy but if anyone has a copy of this I'd love to get my hands on this show. It was my finances first DMB show and the lovin' was great that night. I'd like to use it as background music for future nookie! Taper, if you'd like to set up something off-line I can be reached at scottiey50@yahoo.com
Many thanks!
Scott
Trust me, the only people complaining and being pushy are the people yelling at the people (stay with me here) who are curious about the progress of the tape. But apparently asking that causes them to purposely take longer, or something. I don't know, this thread makes less sense every time I go to it.

greppson

08-01-2004, 02:07 PM

Trust me, the only people complaining and being pushy are the people yelling at the people (stay with me here) who are curious about the progress of the tape. But apparently asking that causes them to purposely take longer, or something. I don't know, this thread makes less sense every time I go to it.
if you want proof, see 9.2.03 and 9.3.03 threads. SAME THING. people kept asking and expecting them, the tapers saw the ungratefulness and held on to the tapes.

boogienights

08-01-2004, 04:36 PM

50 post about a show that hasnt been released yet. Heres a thought, Close this thread, Close this Thread, Close this thread.

Start a new thread when the show is released, because this is F$%#ing assadine.

incrediblyevil

08-02-2004, 01:09 PM

tapers fucking rock!

did that work?

rhuss

08-02-2004, 01:45 PM

tapers fucking rock!

did that work?
Principal: Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

DMBRyan10

08-02-2004, 01:51 PM

I concur with what rhuss said. Hey, we all would like to see the show. It's out when it's out, is all.

drew13drew

08-02-2004, 03:06 PM

I am wondering the status of this show being available? I appreciate the fact that people create tapes for the love of music and DMB. I would like to thank all the tapers and I am looking foward to hearing this wonderfull show again. :thumbsup

rhuss

08-02-2004, 03:15 PM

I am wondering the status of this show being available? I appreciate the fact that people create tapes for the love of music and DMB. I would like to thank all the tapers and I am looking foward to hearing this wonderfull show again. :thumbsup
:confused: have you read any of this thread???

drew13drew

08-02-2004, 04:31 PM

I have read this thread and I was asking for a status update. It does not see like a dumb question. I am just wondering. If I don't get an answer than I will still be waiting patiently but it never hurts to ask. Why is everyone so uptight.. :) Smile once in a while.

rhuss

08-02-2004, 04:57 PM

I have read this thread and I was asking for a status update. It does not see like a dumb question. I am just wondering. If I don't get an answer than I will still be waiting patiently but it never hurts to ask. Why is everyone so uptight.. :) Smile once in a while.
not sure what kind of status update you are looking for ... the tape is not out yet. i doubt the tapers are going to post here telling us why its not out yet ... as always, just wait longer. i smile all the time :)

incrediblyevil

08-02-2004, 05:22 PM

well, tapers do rock and... sarcasm does wonders

greppson

08-02-2004, 05:26 PM

a lot of tapers don't frequent the boards at all. those that do don't post too much.

thecurerox

08-02-2004, 10:44 PM

what's goin on in this thread? I feel like there's a lot of angry emotion but why waste so much energy into negative results?

DMBRyan10

08-02-2004, 11:09 PM

Well, it's a vicious cycle, actually:

1. Someone who disregards two week rule posts.
2. Ants get pissed.
3. Someone who is new to the trading community asks about a show that isn't out yet, complaining where the timeframe for the show is.
4. Ants get pissed.
5. Repeat steps 3 through 4.
6. Sarcasm.
7. See steps 3-6.

I'm telling you. It never ends. But hey, when it's out, we'll all be singing Shiny Happy People.

BustedJeff

08-03-2004, 11:06 PM

Wow, I just read this thread out of curiosity. What a mess!

dm40band

08-04-2004, 05:47 AM

you guys make me laugh 3 pages on BULLSHIT!!! how bout this when the show gets circulated you all will be the 2nd to know, you are all the reason why this hasn't been released so you have no one to blame but yourselves... this exactly what happened to the canada shows from a year ago

DMBRyan10

08-04-2004, 11:09 AM

I think the majority of us understand that, which is why (at least, in my opinion) the majority of Ants are trying to limit the number of threads or posts as to where the show is. It's out when the tapers release it. Begging, asking, and the like don't help.

--Ryan

BustedJeff

08-04-2004, 08:14 PM

you guys make me laugh 3 pages on BULLSHIT!!! how bout this when the show gets circulated you all will be the 2nd to know, you are all the reason why this hasn't been released so you have no one to blame but yourselves... this exactly what happened to the canada shows from a year ago

Just so I'm on the right page...show gets played, the masses start demanding the show, tapers withhold it. Is that it?

hogan20a

08-09-2004, 07:44 PM

Maybe you're all asking the wrong taper to release a copy :rolleyes:

If two weeks after the show has passed, can we still release the tape or is it only on the exact day? Eh, maybe I should stop being a prick and work on my tape, huh?

Adam

TwoStep51901

08-09-2004, 07:51 PM

Maybe you're all asking the wrong taper to release a copy :rolleyes:

If two weeks after the show has passed, can we still release the tape or is it only on the exact day? Eh, maybe I should stop being a prick and work on my tape, huh?

Adam
take you time man, i think people can wait. all the tapers this year have been :thumbsup . keep up the great work.

greppson

08-09-2004, 08:12 PM

Maybe you're all asking the wrong taper to release a copy :rolleyes:

If two weeks after the show has passed, can we still release the tape or is it only on the exact day? Eh, maybe I should stop being a prick and work on my tape, huh?

Adamtake all the time you want/need/whatever, adam.:)

the two week rule i think is a good courtesy, but the amount of that people expect a show to be out after two weeks seems to be staggeringly ridiculous this year.

just, imo. :)

xmagus85x

08-10-2004, 09:27 AM

yeah man, this was my first dave show ever. and i really want this show to be released, but not at the expense of bugging someone who took their time and effort to please others. im very appreciative of tapers doing such an awesome job. we have no right to bug you guys, you have lives too.

peace.

Rob

08-12-2004, 08:30 PM

What the hell was the point of that post?

scotiey

08-12-2004, 08:48 PM

Rob, its OK to admit hate is a part of your life. that is the first step back to a peaceful world. Good luck in your journey

Rob

08-12-2004, 08:53 PM

Thank you. I hope others can find the path to enlightenment as well... Someday, these idiots will remember to breathe without reminders.

Eric(h)

08-22-2004, 06:03 AM

Im not boosting this thread because the show is out, or because I know anything about it. Im boosting it because i want to throw my 2c into the conversation.

I find the overall community reaction puzzling when it comes to situations like this. Why is the two week "rule" there? Supposedly, its used as a nice grace period, a buffer if you will, for the tapers to get their stuff together and release the show. If the show is not released and people ISO before two weeks, they're yelled at. If the show is not released and people ISO the show after two weeks... they're yelled at. If people wait a while then ask for an update, they're yelled at. In all three cases, theyre "ungrateful". Now, why do we have a two week policy if people get roasted either way? If its out before two weeks, then none of this seems to happen anyway, so I dont really see the logic behind it. Really, I just find it an excuse for people to yell at people. The "rule", as its enforced is, if the show isnt out, dont ask. How to remedy that? Post a bulletin with a list of shows from this tour that are released, and a link to this subforum. If its not out, dont ask. How do you know, look at the bulletin.

Now, this crap about "tapers arent getting them out because you keep asking for it!" is bullshit. dont get me wrong, I have no doubt in my mind that tapers do that, I just think its a bullshit thing to do. The tapers know the reaction of the community, and they have a choice whether to react to it or not, regardless of whether they release the show. To state that its the fault of the people asking is, to put it bluntly, elitist. Why do I use that term? Because then theyre explicitly using their recordings in a malicious fashion, holding it over the heads of the people who want it. That's not the same as taping for personal use, maybe burning a dup for a friend or two, and not releasing it. That's trying to invoke guilt upon the community for one reason or another, using their clout as a taper, and that's repugnant.

This community fosters this type of attitude, and I think its time that the members of this board accept and understand that. Yes, I think there are lots of times when the person asking is rude, like this one, but that doesnt mean that everyone asking is being rude about it. This community releases tapes at an alarmingly fast rate, and though yes, things shouldnt be "expected", on here and in life in general, you CANNOT disregard the fact that its just whats going to happen. This isnt being "ungrateful", its being conditioned in an almost pure Pavlovian fashion. You cant feed a dog every day at 6pm and then be surprised hes barking at you when youre late. Again, some people are being rude when they ask, but thats not the intent of ALL PEOPLE, and its just got to be accepted that this is going to be the community reaction from now on due to the speed of other releases.

Nothing can be done about the people who ask. Some will be assholes. Others are just curious, but respectful about it. Some will react out of ignorance. This community needs to find a way to handle it without resorting to acting like menopausal women after a bad episode of General Hospital. Maybe a sub forum in Trading for the current tour, with the aformentioned released tapes notice, and an explicite locking policy for ISOs of unreleased tapes. Im sure theres a way that peaceful control over the situation can be taken, since regardless of what you do, the same actions will take place. We can choose to let our egos go an find a better way to handle it, or we can spend the remainder of DMBs existance getting pissed off at eachother for bullshit reasons.

Your choice.

AJDMB05

08-22-2004, 09:52 AM

Finally, someone came out and said it all, thanks Erich. I'm glad you said it too, nearly everyone else around here would've gotten their head bitten off for that (I don't mean that negatively either.) Every other board has discussions about this show without a problem, it's all friendly "any word yet?" "nope, not yet." type stuff, so I just go to STG now to avoid all the backlash around here.

scoot_14

08-22-2004, 12:58 PM

Finally, someone came out and said it all, thanks Erich. I'm glad you said it too, nearly everyone else around here would've gotten their head bitten off for that (I don't mean that negatively either.) Every other board has discussions about this show without a problem, it's all friendly "any word yet?" "nope, not yet." type stuff, so I just go to STG now to avoid all the backlash around here.

Yeah, I've wanted to say something in this thread for a while but haven't felt like taking the heat from a few assholes in this one. This thread is one of the saddest I have ever seen on ants...and not because of the rude newbie questions, but because of the way regulars have treated and responded to them.

STG is down isn't it? I haven't been able to get on there for weeks. When ever I try all I get is this "your dns has not updated yet
try tracker.sharingthegroove.org for now"

^I have no idea what that means or what a tracker is.

ryguy178

08-22-2004, 02:32 PM

This isnt being "ungrateful", its being conditioned in an almost pure Pavlovian fashion. You cant feed a dog every day at 6pm and then be surprised hes barking at you when youre late. Again, some people are being rude when they ask, but thats not the intent of ALL PEOPLE
well said indeed..you make excellent points...

STG is down isn't it? I haven't been able to get on there for weeks. When ever I try all I get is this "your dns has not updated yet
try tracker.sharingthegroove.org for now"

^I have no idea what that means or what a tracker is.
yes i've been getting the same thing for a few weeks now...so at least im glad to see its just not me..

Eric(h)

08-22-2004, 03:45 PM

STG is down isn't it? I haven't been able to get on there for weeks. When ever I try all I get is this "your dns has not updated yet
try tracker.sharingthegroove.org for now"

^I have no idea what that means or what a tracker is.

I get this:

Warning: main(./global.php): failed to open stream: No such file or directory in /home/stgforum/public_html/msgboard/showthread.php on line 84

Fatal error: main(): Failed opening required './global.php' (include_path='.:/usr/lib/php:/usr/local/lib/php') in /home/stgforum/public_html/msgboard/showthread.php on line 84

a tracker is what tracks the status of a torrent.

ScottieMorra

08-22-2004, 05:36 PM

Well said, Erich. Couldn't agree more. Looking forward to some of the reactions.

rhuss

08-22-2004, 05:46 PM

This community releases tapes at an alarmingly fast rate, and though yes, things shouldnt be "expected", on here and in life in general, you CANNOT disregard the fact that its just whats going to happen. This isnt being "ungrateful", its being conditioned in an almost pure Pavlovian fashion. You cant feed a dog every day at 6pm and then be surprised hes barking at you when youre late. yes some tapers release the show very quickly, but others, if they are doing multiple shows or have something else going on take there time to release the show. maybe it needs some work done on it or something or maybe they just have a life. no one has to release this show, the taper could hold on to it if they want. it's their tape, they can do as they please.

and yeah you can feed a dog everyday, but when we have many tapers that tape and spread tapes its a totally different story.

if u were a taper and got multiple emails per day asking when and where your tape is from unknown people, would you release it fast or faster? or would you get pissed?

Eric(h)

08-22-2004, 06:06 PM

yes some tapers release the show very quickly, but others, if they are doing multiple shows or have something else going on take there time to release the show. maybe it needs some work done on it or something or maybe they just have a life. no one has to release this show, the taper could hold on to it if they want. it's their tape, they can do as they please.

No one said otherwise. Im all for tapers doing whatever they want with their tapes, since its theirs. Im not, however, for tapers explicitly stating theyre holding it back because of community members asking. They can do it all they want, but it is an asshole thing to be explicit about, since youre using your tape to envoke a negative reaction out of people.

And they can take all the time they want, too. My main problem was with the reactions to people asking about it. Basicaly, if you dont want people to ask, leave up a sign that says what shows are released and explicitly state all other shows arent to be ISOd until theyre released as well.

and yeah you can feed a dog everyday, but when we have many tapers that tape and spread tapes its a totally different story.

... huh? many tapers spreading and whatnot is fine and dandy. Im just saying tat if a tape doesnt get released, its human nature through conditioning to expect it. Its not the best approach, but its what happens, and that needs to be understood by everyone.

if u were a taper and got multiple emails per day asking when and where your tape is from unknown people, would you release it fast or faster? or would you get pissed?

Honestly, if I became a DMB taper with the intent to release shows, I wouldnt let people know it was me that was taping them. Id do my best to seperate myself from it so as to not allow the deluge of requests and emails to bother me. I think a taper has to understand what theyre getting into when they start taping with intent to release, and if they get pissed off, maybe they shouldnt have put themselves in that possition.

Point is, regardless of how a taper feels about it, its going to happen anyway. We can try to control it through bitching and being pissed, but look how far that gets us. For the non tapers, try a different forum policy if the asking gets too much. For the tapers, if putting yourself in a possition where your getting deluged by requests is that much of a problem, then stop putting yourself there.

If it bothered me that much, id stop taping, or spreading for that matter. But theres a way of going about that, and telling people with the intent to guilt them and to make them feel bad for wanting the recording isnt the way to do it.

scoot_14

08-22-2004, 09:06 PM

yes some tapers release the show very quickly, but others, if they are doing multiple shows or have something else going on take there time to release the show. maybe it needs some work done on it or something or maybe they just have a life.

And that's why we generally wait 2 weeks before requesting shows. My problem in this situation has nothing to do with the tapers, but the reactions by some people in this thread. It seems as if some people here think they need to kiss the tapers ass in order for this show to get out. I'd love to hear this show just as much as the next person but it's not worth that.

I have a taping rig and it really only takes about a couple of days at the most to edit a show. There are of course some exceptions but for the most part it can be done in a weekend.

Before someone says "well then why didn't you tape the show" I want to make it clear that I've never asked for it and won't. I'd like to see it come out but if it doesn't it doesn't. It's quite a hassle to tape the show and all I know is if I taped it I'd be damn sure to convert it to a listenable and shareable format just to have something to show for all that work and money spent on equipment.

pchrosto

08-22-2004, 10:36 PM

Just read this thread and the recent replies concerning what some feel are negativity. I'm a taper and don't often come to this board to read what's going. Mostly I come to post a notification of a torrent I seed or when I'm bored. =) It has nothing to with this forum's members, but there are other forums were the discussion is more taping related, a community of tapers. You'll probably find this is true for other tapers too.
I do think the 2 week rule is a good start but more importantly I think there should be some courtesy shown to the COMMUNITY (not the tapers since they're not even reading this forum) to take some INITIATIVE and actually read the thread you are posting an ISO to. Often times your question will be answered without a post. So, I can understand the frustration and anger that some of the regulars feel when they keep posting the same link to a 2 week rule over and over again. Read this thread, you see Rhuss and greppson being polite at first and then frustrated.
As far as releasing recordings, no amount of ISOs or flame wars are going to decrease or increase the speed of them coming out. The tapes are released whenever it's time and that's up to the taper. Just from my personal experience I can say that often times it's a snap to convert a show to SHN and that's why you see shows coming out in a day or 2 after the show. But sometimes, when things go wrong it can be a pain in the ass to finish. In the meantime I'll end up taping other shows, other bands, work, weekend then more work, etc.. After all that, suddenly that pain in the ass tape just doesn't seem as pressingly important. Whoever taped this show will get to it, but I'm guessing this is what they're dealing with. Honestly if I saw some of the comments here it wouldn't really motivate me to sit in front of a PC for hours tweaking a tape that I've grown tired of. That's not being elitist that's simply human nature.
My last point is concerning an attitude amongst some that since 90% of the tapes come out within 1-3 days, that somehow we should all expect people to be conditioned to that and accept it. That's completely the wrong attitude we should take. People should work to educate these people about being patient and not just letting it slide because we've conditioned them with quick releases. That's what's wrong with our society, we EXPECT instant gratification. But there's nothing wrong in taking some initiative to read a thread, read a FAQ, running a web search and answer your own question. I remember just 4-5 years ago that tapes took months to get out and no one posted 'hey it's been 2 weeks, when's the tape being released'. If you ask me, I see that attitude more and more because we're accepting it. The only thing that has changed during that time is how we distribute shows, it still takes the same amount of time and effort to tape/convert a show.

Take Care
Paul

rhuss

08-23-2004, 12:25 AM

And that's why we generally wait 2 weeks before requesting shows.
here's the thing though why do 'we' need to request a show? right. i mean its dmb so it was taped 99% of the time (at least the recent shows) and what 98-99% of the time it spreads ... so why is there this need to request the show?

Eric(h)

08-23-2004, 03:40 AM

here's the thing though why do 'we' need to request a show? right. i mean its dmb so it was taped 99% of the time (at least the recent shows) and what 98-99% of the time it spreads ... so why is there this need to request the show?

you basicaly stated my point, but a little differently. If people get yelled at regardless of when they request an unreleased show, why is there a "two week" rule? Thats ridiculous. Thats quantifying something when it shouldnt be, based on the communities reactions.

I still think the two week stuff should be abolished once and for all, and a simple "dont ask for shows that arent released yet. Heres the status on released shows of this tour" forum policy should be in place. that'll quell the requests at about the same rate as the two week thing, but will be more effective on long term delays and such.

DMBRyan10

08-23-2004, 12:35 PM

I think if anything, the best way to go about this would be just having a big old SHOWS NOT OUT thread, stickied by a forum admin. I think it would be more informative.

Eh, just my two cents. The two-week system has worked for so long, and I don't understand why people can't add a "Or Until the Show is Released, whichever comes LATER" stipulation to it.

TwoStep51901

08-23-2004, 01:23 PM

I think if anything, the best way to go about this would be just having a big old SHOWS NOT OUT thread, stickied by a forum admin. I think it would be more informative.

Eh, just my two cents. The two-week system has worked for so long, and I don't understand why people can't add a "Or Until the Show is Released, whichever comes LATER" stipulation to it.
:thumbsup

Eric(h)

08-23-2004, 01:26 PM

yup, i said that twice

scoot_14

08-23-2004, 07:30 PM

here's the thing though why do 'we' need to request a show? right. i mean its dmb so it was taped 99% of the time (at least the recent shows) and what 98-99% of the time it spreads ... so why is there this need to request the show?

Take a look back at the first page of this thread. Not one single person ever asks for this show. No one ever says anything more than "I can't wait to hear this" or "does anyone know how/sources may be out there?"

There was nothing more than talk to the fact that people were anxiously awaiting this show. A few individuals then came on and posted nothing but negativity on an otherwise positive thread about a show that some people had a good time at and were anxious to relive through both listening and "discussion."

If anyone emailed tapers asking for it then there are in fact annoying pests...but people posting to each other in a thread that tapers don't even read is pretty harmless and not breaking any rules or insulting anyone.

I'm serious, take a look back and find someone who actually "requested" this show and blast them. All the negativity and talk of 2 week rules did was get people all riled up when 7-21 came along.

rhuss

08-23-2004, 09:17 PM

Take a look back at the first page of this thread. Not one single person ever asks for this show. No one ever says anything more than "I can't wait to hear this" or "does anyone know how/sources may be out there?"

There was nothing more than talk to the fact that people were anxiously awaiting this show. A few individuals then came on and posted nothing but negativity on an otherwise positive thread about a show that some people had a good time at and were anxious to relive through both listening and "discussion."

If anyone emailed tapers asking for it then there are in fact annoying pests...but people posting to each other in a thread that tapers don't even read is pretty harmless and not breaking any rules or insulting anyone.

I'm serious, take a look back and find someone who actually "requested" this show and blast them. All the negativity and talk of 2 week rules did was get people all riled up when 7-21 came along.
did i ever say anyone requested it?? read my post, it was a response to another post ...

http://www.antsmarching.org/forum/showpost.php?p=2048646&postcount=84

Eric(h)

08-24-2004, 06:58 PM

here another suggestion: How about keeping all these thread locked until at least one source is released? the higher ups are on top of that shit all the time, so it shouldnt be an issue to unlock when its released.

trippinbillyrmc

08-29-2004, 02:12 PM

Stop Bitching please, look for this soon

Dave Matthews Band
Tweeter Center
Mansfield, MA
July 7, 2004

Taper: Peter Venkman
Source: Schoeps

Disc 1

01. Too Much
02. Granny
03. Don't Burn the Pig
04. Sugar Will
05. Bartender
06. When the World Ends
07. Drive In Drive Out
08. Crazy Easy
09. Grace is Gone
10. Recently

Disc 2

01. Grey Street
02. Hello Again
03. Ants Marching
04. Cry Freedom
05. Joy Ride
06. Everyday
07. Stay
---encore---
08. So Much to Say
09. Anyone Seen the Bridge
10. Rapunzel

Compiled on August 28, 2004 by Ray Stantz

batleon

08-29-2004, 02:18 PM

Well, I have to say that's the most interesting post I've ever seen on this thread. Thanks a lot for the info, trippinbillyrmc.

Mark

08-29-2004, 04:09 PM

damn.i was kinda hoping this show would take longer to get out. then again, i also thought that i would teach people not to expect shows, but i know that would never happen.

Crumbo

08-29-2004, 07:20 PM

Stop Bitching please, look for this soon

Dave Matthews Band
Tweeter Center
Mansfield, MA
July 7, 2004

Taper: Peter Venkman
Source: Schoeps

Disc 1

01. Too Much
02. Granny
03. Don't Burn the Pig
04. Sugar Will
05. Bartender
06. When the World Ends
07. Drive In Drive Out
08. Crazy Easy
09. Grace is Gone
10. Recently

Disc 2

01. Grey Street
02. Hello Again
03. Ants Marching
04. Cry Freedom
05. Joy Ride
06. Everyday
07. Stay
---encore---
08. So Much to Say
09. Anyone Seen the Bridge
10. Rapunzel

Compiled on August 28, 2004 by Ray Stantz

can be found here:

http://bt.etree.org/details.php?id=7115

thanks :cool:

greppson

08-29-2004, 07:33 PM

and if people STILL find something to complain about(this source is too _______, where's so and so's source??) i think my head might explode.

boogienights

08-29-2004, 08:27 PM

Too bad that people had to clutter this thread with 4 pages of B.S. to see worthwhile information about this show. Damn, people need to believe in this day and age, a DMB show is going to be recorded, and it will be spread when its ready.....

This thread shouldve been locked a while ago until today. Hope everyones happy, and if youre unhappy with this source then GFY.

dm40band

08-29-2004, 10:56 PM

look for Brian's tomorrow just FYI

AJDMB05

08-30-2004, 09:44 AM

Wow.. I'm glad this is over, I'm taking it and running and never coming back here, you guys get way too intense and serious when someone asks for a recording, see you at STG when it comes back.

boogienights

08-30-2004, 10:01 AM

I hope people hold on before requesting this show. There is about 150-175 of us stuck on bt.etree at 88.36%. Both the seeders are gone, so they remain the only ones with this show.

AJDMB05

08-30-2004, 10:28 AM

It'll be interesting to see if that was the plan, to release it halfway, and get a bunch of people stuck with "almost" having the show.

xmagus85x

08-30-2004, 10:37 AM

hey even though im stuck at 88 percent, its much better than thinking the show would never see the day and become a dmb urban myth. "what? 7-7-04? there never was such a show, thats crazy talk, crazy talk i tell ya"
thanks to the tapers and im giving a eighty eight percent thanks to the mysterious two seeders.

airr233

08-30-2004, 10:58 AM

At least they were nice and not have us stuck at 99%.

Mark

08-30-2004, 11:04 AM

It'll be interesting to see if that was the plan, to release it halfway, and get a bunch of people stuck with "almost" having the show.
:lol

holy shit. that would be fucking hilarious

AJDMB05

08-30-2004, 11:26 AM

:rolleyes: Yeah, as awesome as it would be for the almighty tapers to make a statement that way, because it would teach everyone a lesson not to ask for tapes because that makes people angry!111... :rolleyes: :BANG the missing pieces are coming in slowly but surely, someone opened a seed window.

Some of the individual files are finished anyway, for people interested.

Edit: Ok, the torrent says tracks 2, 3 and 6 are done, but they're apparently not, nevermind.

batleon

08-30-2004, 11:37 AM

Yeah, I can't get any of the .flac files to play, including the ones marked "done". I hate to say it, but I think we've all been bamboozled. This is just cruel and unusual punishment now.

Still, people are saying Furbush's source should be out sometime today, so I haven't given up hope yet...

Davenumber40

08-30-2004, 11:41 AM

For the love of god I can't take this anymore. This has turned into way too much drama for one fucking show. We'll get 50 others this year. Is this one really so special that we should be going crazy that we don't have it?

AJDMB05

08-30-2004, 12:02 PM

When it's a show you went to, it's way more important than the rest of the summer. That said, it was more the idea that after a month and a half of holding the show back presumably to teach people a lesson about asking, and now the fact that everyone's stuck at 88% that's pissing people off.

Mark

08-30-2004, 12:03 PM

i went to 9.2 last year and it didn't come out until christmas eve. you didn't see me bitching and moaning that it wasn't out in 2 weeks.

DMBRyan10

08-30-2004, 12:36 PM

Bloody hell, just quit it.

It is out when it is out. Plain and simple.

We've all waited about two months. What's another hour, day, or week? I can see both sides here: this show was one of my favorites the first time around, and I'd love to hear it again. I also understand that the tapers needed time to work things out. All I can say is, is that when the tapers release it, it'll be out.

Brian said over on etree that his source would be out sometime later today. SIMMER.

--Ryan

Crumbo

08-30-2004, 12:38 PM

god forbid you should have to wait a few extra hours for this show :rolleyes:

go outside and enjoy the rest of the summer....it will soon be fall:)

Davenumber40

08-30-2004, 01:08 PM

When it's a show you went to, it's way more important than the rest of the summer. That said, it was more the idea that after a month and a half of holding the show back presumably to teach people a lesson about asking, and now the fact that everyone's stuck at 88% that's pissing people off.

Yes I am thankful that I get to hear the shows I've been to and yeah it would suck if one of my favorites was the one that didn't go out, but life goes on. This will get out eventually just like 9/2 and 9/3. People just need to chill a little.

AJDMB05

08-30-2004, 01:17 PM

It's fine now, we're all at 94, the seeder jumping off was an accident.

bdb23

08-30-2004, 07:03 PM

Good to see this one out. Thanks to the tapers.

Smint

09-15-2004, 01:45 AM

i can only find peter's tape... is brian's out there?

dm40band

09-15-2004, 04:03 AM

brian hasn't released his yet, well i haven't seen it...

drew13drew

09-30-2004, 02:37 PM

Just keeping this thread at the top of the list... LOL :monkey

Thanks for the show!:cool:

DMBCandyMan7

01-06-2005, 10:56 PM

can be found here:

http://bt.etree.org/details.php?id=7115

thanks :cool: what can be found there. the only download that i see is a torrent file. Am i missing something?

Crumbo

01-06-2005, 11:01 PM

what can be found there. the only download that i see is a torrent file. Am i missing something?

the torrent can be found there but it's over 4 months old and dead :shrug

DMBCandyMan7

01-06-2005, 11:05 PM

the torrent can be found there but it's over 4 months old and dead :shrug Oh i see. hmm. So how do I get this show? (sorry for any troubles, im new at this.)

Crumbo

01-06-2005, 11:23 PM

Oh i see. hmm. So how do I get this show? (sorry for any troubles, im new at this.)

shoot me a PM with your email and I'll B&P it for you

keep in mind I only burn flac or shn....I don't burn audio

:)

rhuss

01-07-2005, 12:48 AM

Oh i see. hmm. So how do I get this show? (sorry for any troubles, im new at this.)
ftp server, trade, b&p, shn server (when its back up), torrent, etc

redsoxiluv

01-07-2005, 09:09 AM

Oh i see. hmm. So how do I get this show? (sorry for any troubles, im new at this.)
If you prefer audio, I'd be happy to B&P it for you if you PM me.
(Not trying to upstage Crumbo, of course, but when I was getting started I was a bit afraid of FLAC, SHN, etc. It's certainly worthwhile to figure out, though...)

TempHelpNeeded

06-13-2006, 03:31 AM

Any possibly able to torrent this show? I wouldn't need mp3 or wav, I could take however it is compressed. Flac or shn...whatever. Thanks in advance!

:thumbsup