Boston Red Sox

[templeofdmb]

I love Mike Lowell. He turned down longer and more prolific offers to stay in Boston. He rules. :cool

[jmudmbphan]

I love Mike Lowell. He turned down longer and more prolific offers to stay in Boston. He rules. :cool


no he didnt...

the yankees backed off and told him they werent going to give him 4 years...he took the best offer on the table.

[GOB_]

no he didnt...

the yankees backed off and told him they werent going to give him 4 years...he took the best offer on the table.

It's not always about the Yankees. :) A couple of posts up in an article, Peter Gammons says that both the Phillies and Dodgers were willing to go four years.

[DavefaninNZ]

Great news to wake up to today! :multi

[dowling25]

It's not always about the Yankees. :) A couple of posts up in an article, Peter Gammons says that both the Phillies and Dodgers were willing to go four years.


i was just going to type that for that guy too

[ProudestAnt]

He didn't get any offers from Philly or LA...

[crashintome202]

He didn't get any offers from Philly or LA...
plus who the hell wants to play in philly anyway?!:lol

[junior94]

He didn't get any offers from Philly or LA...

Is this still Lowell we're talking about? I didn't catch an actual dollar figure, but I'm almost positive I heard the Phillies offered him a 4 year deal. Which, given Pat Gillick's track record, I was quite surprised to hear that, he's usually downright allergic to offering position players (or pitchers really too, for that matter) especially long contracts. He doesn't mind big money for short term, but not these 3 year+ deals.

[ProudestAnt]

Is this still Lowell we're talking about? I didn't catch an actual dollar figure, but I'm almost positive I heard the Phillies offered him a 4 year deal. Which, given Pat Gillick's track record, I was quite surprised to hear that, he's usually downright allergic to offering position players (or pitchers really too, for that matter) especially long contracts. He doesn't mind big money for short term, but not these 3 year+ deals. According to who? Peter Gammons? Oh yeah, there's a reliable source...

[junior94]

According to who? Peter Gammons? Oh yeah, there's a reliable source...

No, now that I think about it I'm pretty sure it was on our local affiliate of Comcast SportsNet, the nightly hour news show on that channel. They were reporting Lowell's signing, and said that the Phillies (& one other team I couldn't remember, though apparently from what I'm reading here now I guess it was the Dodgers) had both gone as high as 4 years, but he obviously wanted mostly to stay in Boston since he was content with 3 years. They didn't mention any other specific name as an external source, like Gammons or anyone else from ESPN, etc.

I mean it doesn't surprise me that they'd seriously go after him, I knew they liked Lowell, it was merely the 4th year part that I really didn't expect.

[ProudestAnt]

No, now that I think about it I'm pretty sure it was on our local affiliate of Comcast SportsNet, the nightly hour news show on that channel. They were reporting Lowell's signing, and said that the Phillies (& one other team I couldn't remember, though apparently from what I'm reading here now I guess it was the Dodgers) had both gone as high as 4 years, but he obviously wanted mostly to stay in Boston since he was content with 3 years. They didn't mention any other specific name as an external source, like Gammons or anyone else from ESPN, etc.

I mean it doesn't surprise me that they'd seriously go after him, I knew they liked Lowell, it was merely the 4th year part that I really didn't expect. No, Gammons was reporting that the Dodgers and Phiilies both offered Lowell 4 years. I don't know where you're getting your news...

[junior94]

No, Gammons was reporting that the Dodgers and Phiilies both offered Lowell 4 years. I don't know where you're getting your news...

Well, again, it was just something that was said on Comcast SportsNet Philadelphia, during the nightly sports report. I mean I do'nt know, maybe it said something like "Sources are reporting that... etc" as far as the actual wording, but I definitely don't recall hearing a specific other reporter/analyst name being mentioned as for where it originated from.

So gee, I take it you're not quite a fan of Peter Gammons? :lol

[ProudestAnt]

Well, again, it was just something that was said on Comcast SportsNet Philadelphia, during the nightly sports report. I mean I do'nt know, maybe it said something like "Sources are reporting that... etc" as far as the actual wording, but I definitely don't recall hearing a specific other reporter/analyst name being mentioned as for where it originated from.

So gee, I take it you're not quite a fan of Peter Gammons? :lol He's alright because he's a Sox fan, but he's a bit too biased at times...

[chr35919]

He didn't get any offers from Philly or LA...

No, Gammons was reporting that the Dodgers and Phiilies both offered Lowell 4 years. I don't know where you're getting your news...
:confused

[groton]

Anti Gammons talk in a Redsox Thread thats bad karma
he is one of the best baseball reporters there is and has been for years now

[chr35919]

Anti Gammons talk in a Redsox Thread thats bad karma
he is one of the best baseball reporters there is and has been for years now
:thumbsup:thumbsup:thumbsup:thumbsup

[chr35919]

neil diamond reveals sweet caroline inspiration:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21898988/

i'm not a big fan of the sing along...it's played out, but cool to hear where the song came from

[groton]

It is great where the song came from and kinda fitting to be played at Fenway now

[dowling25]

He didn't get any offers from Philly or LA...


where did you hear that from then....

[rickyh24]

glad we got Mike back!

[junior94]

No, Gammons was reporting that the Dodgers and Phiilies both offered Lowell 4 years. I don't know where you're getting your news...

So I just heard Ken Rosenthal report (as a guest on our CSN network) that the Phillies never officially offered Lowell a deal. They were willing to present him with a 4yr/$50M contract but apparently by the time they were ready to do it formally, he'd already signed back with Boston. So it was essentially all just in theory.

[ProudestAnt]

So I just heard Ken Rosenthal report (as a guest on our CSN network) that the Phillies never officially offered Lowell a deal. They were willing to present him with a 4yr/$50M contract but apparently by the time they were ready to do it formally, he'd already signed back with Boston. So it was essentially all just in theory. So like I said, he never got offers from LA or Philly...:thumbsup

[junior94]

So like I said, he never got offers from LA or Philly...:thumbsup

Well, and mind you I don't care either way, when I said it before I wasn't trying to present it like it was fact or anything, merely relating what I'd heard at the time.

The funny thing is you can't even use the cliche argument that he like sent feelers to these other teams or something just to drive his price up, since obviously he reverted back to Boston for even less than what those where worth.
Oh well, it would've been nice to have had him for the next 2 years or so, at least.

[GOB_]

According to who? Peter Gammons? Oh yeah, there's a reliable source...

I think I referred to you as the Peter Gammons of Ants a few years back. I'm sorry. :shrug

Anyway, according to the article that was posted earlier, Gammons wasn't quoted as saying that the Phillies and Dodgers offered Lowell a deal - only that they were apparently willing to go to four years. :)

[dowling25]

so i just saw that the twins and yankees are talking about a trade for santana. well that is no good. i don't want him going to the yanks. that would be deadly.

[rickyh24]

so i just saw that the twins and yankees are talking about a trade for santana. well that is no good. i don't want him going to the yanks. that would be deadly.



I think I just threw up....I would say the Sox need to get in on that, but i know it would cost Ellsbury or Lester so screw it.

[smeritt]

I think I just threw up....I would say the Sox need to get in on that, but i know it would cost Ellsbury or Lester so screw it.If the Yankees throw away Hughes or Joba plus Cano and probably Melky to get him, you can sit back and laugh, because they made another shitty deal.

[rickyh24]

If the Yankees throw away Hughes or Joba plus Cano and probably Melky to get him, you can sit back and laugh, because they made another shitty deal.



very true, and sadly i bet that is the case.

[LaDude]

One rumor i'm reading about is:

Santana in exchange for Coco Crisp, Jon Lester, and minor league prospects Jed Lowrie and Justin Masterson.

I'd LOVE to see this happen!! :)

[ProudestAnt]

One rumor i'm reading about is:

Santana in exchange for Coco Crisp, Jon Lester, and minor league prospects Jed Lowrie and Justin Masterson.

I'd LOVE to see this happen!! :) I really like Lowrie, but he's probably more suited to play 2B...

[smeritt]

I really like Lowrie, but he's probably more suited to play 2B...
And you have a pretty damn good one of those for years to come. ;) As much as i hate the sox i love pedrioa, he epotimizes how baseball should be played....

[ProudestAnt]

And you have a pretty damn good one of those for years to come. ;) As much as i hate the sox i love pedrioa, he epotimizes how baseball should be played....:thumbsup

[rickyh24]

http://boston.redsox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20071129&content_id=2313894&vkey=news_bos&fext=.jsp&c_id=bos


I could get used to the sound of that

[dowling25]

i think we all could. but i don't want to lose ellsbury. i can do with lester leaving but not ellsbury....

[rickyh24]

i think we all could. but i don't want to lose ellsbury. i can do with lester leaving but not ellsbury....

:thumbsup :thumbsup

[jaydog82283]

One rumor i'm reading about is:

Santana in exchange for Coco Crisp, Jon Lester, and minor league prospects Jed Lowrie and Justin Masterson.

I'd LOVE to see this happen!! :)

this will not happen (and by the way that is a joke of a deal for the twins, no way in hell do i accept that), the twins are adamant that ellsbury or buchholz be in the deal instead of crisp, if the red sox give in to this demand the twins prefer this deal over a hughes centered deal with yankees.

[rickyh24]

I guess if the Sox through in either Clay or Jacoby the deal would be done. Thats what I have been hearing anyways.

[crashintome202]

I guess if the Sox through in either Clay or Jacoby the deal would be done. Thats what I have been hearing anyways.
pretty much. i dont think they will though...if they do, we're screwed.

[jaydog82283]

I guess if the Sox through in either Clay or Jacoby the deal would be done. Thats what I have been hearing anyways.

yes, it would be and i would take that deal if i were twins. If clay is included the twins may swing a separate deal for crisp.

also according to twins beat writer the mets might reconsider their stance on jose reyes, which would push the mets to the front immediately. Im not sure if this is mere speculation or concrete information.

[crashintome202]

yes, it would be and i would take that deal if i were twins. If clay is included the twins may swing a separate deal for crisp.

also according to twins beat writer the mets might reconsider their stance on jose reyes, which would push the mets to the front immediately. Im not sure if this is mere speculation or concrete information.
the way omar has been acting, i wouldnt be surprised to see him give reyes up

[dowling25]

well now ellsbury is included. i don't want him to go. NOOOOOOOO

[ProudestAnt]

ESPN's Buster Olney reports that the Red Sox are now including Jacoby Ellsbury in their proposal for Johan Santana, though they've subtracted Jon Lester.
If it's something like Ellsbury, Jed Lowrie and Justin Masterson/Michael Bowden for Santana, we don't see how that tops the Yankees' Phil Hughes-Melky Cabrera-prospect proposal. Even if the Twins prefer Ellsbury to Hughes as the centerpiece, Cabrera is still easily the more valuable second player. If the Red Sox were to give up both Ellsbury and Lester, that might be a package the Twins would have to take. Regardless, this does dismiss the silly talk that the Red Sox were only in the Santana negotiations in order to increase the price for the Yankees.
Source: ESPN.com

Ellsbury included, Lester subtracted...

[ProudestAnt]

well now ellsbury is included. i don't want him to go. NOOOOOOOO Dude, for Johan Santana?

[dowling25]

yeah but our rotation is already great. who wouldn't be the starter than if we got johan do you think....and ellsbury is going to be amazing for years i think.

[MistreatedLewis]

the way omar has been acting, i wouldnt be surprised to see him give reyes up

Wow that would be so incredibly stupid.

[chr35919]

Sources: Red Sox willing to deal Ellsbury or Lester, not both
By Buster Olney
ESPN The Magazine

With the Minnesota Twins insisting on center fielder Jacoby Ellsbury in any trade for pitcher Johan Santana, the Red Sox have altered their offer and have told the Twins they are willing to include the outfielder.

But sources say the Red Sox have also told the Twins they will not trade left-handed pitcher Jon Lester and Ellsbury together in the package they are offering.

The Yankees, meanwhile, have informed the Twins that they are going to pull their offer off the table soon -- perhaps by Tuesday at the latest -- unless they get an answer. The Yankees changed their offer on Friday, adding pitcher Phil Hughes after much internal debate, to go along with Melky Cabrera and a third prospect.

The Yankees have told the Twins they will not give them one of their top prospects as the third player in their offer -- not pitchers Ian Kennedy or Alan Horne, or outfielder Austin Jackson, for example.

It's possible that the Twins may find that the offers from Boston and the Yankees are not acceptable, and decide, ultimately, to keep Santana. But executives involved in the trade talks fully expect that the Twins will trade Santana, and that they will make a decision within the next 72 hours on what offer they prefer. If either the Yankees or the Red Sox were to pull out of negotiations, the Twins' leverage would be greatly diminished.

What the choice for Minnesota may come down to, in the end, is this: Do they prefer Phil Hughes as the centerpiece player in a deal, or Ellsbury?

If the Twins do agree to a tentative deal, Santana must still agree to waive his no-trade clause, and in order to do that, Santana likely will ask for a six-year extension worth something in the range of a $150 million; he would become the first pitcher ever to sign for a multiyear deal for at least $20 million a year.

The Red Sox included Ellsbury in one of their proposals a week ago, but the Twins asked the Red Sox for two players among the group of three prospects -- Ellsbury, Lester and pitcher Clay Buchholz. Boston then offered Lester, center fielder Coco Crisp, minor league shortstop Jed Lowrie and a minor league pitcher.

The Twins have continued to ask for Ellsbury, so the Red Sox have flipped Ellsbury back into their offer, sources say, while removing Lester, and upgraded slightly the rest of their proposed package slightly -- perhaps to include right-handed pitcher Justin Masterson. Presumably, any offer with Ellsbury would not include Crisp.

Ellsbury, 24, played in 33 games for the Red Sox this year, hitting .353 with three homers and 18 RBI, with a .509 slugging percentage and nine stolen bases.

The Mets, Mariners, Dodgers and Angels are among the other teams with which the Twins have talked about Santana.

Buster Olney is a senior baseball writer for ESPN The Magazine.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3138088



for johan, i have no problem giving up ellsbury. he's a great player with clear potential to grow even better, but with santana alongside becket, the sox will win the east no questions asked.

[SmoothD41]

for johan, i have no problem giving up ellsbury. he's a great player with clear potential to grow even better, but with santana alongside becket, the sox will win the world series no questions asked.

yep.

[rickyh24]

as much as i dont want to lose Ellsbury, Santana can single handedly dominate a game. Beckett, Santana, Schilling, Dice-K good luck against that in the playoffs. :lol

[dowling25]

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3140668

that sounds good....hopefully.s

[LaDude]

Oh boy! I hope this goes down!!

[LaDude]

From the ESPN Winter Meetings Blog:

The Twins and Red Sox are getting closer to finalizing a Johan Santana deal. Boston has sweetened its offer by adding a fifth player to the the offer -- outfield prospect Ryan Kalish, a ninth-round draft pick in the 2006 out of Red Bank Catholic High School (Shrewsbury, N.J.).

[ProudestAnt]

Oh glorious day!!

According to ESPN's Peter Gammons, the Red Sox and Twins are close to finalizing a Johan Santana trade after Boston added Ryan Kalish to the mix.
Gammons says it'd be a 5-for-1, and with Kalish in the deal, it only makes sense that the Twins would be taking Jon Lester, Coco Crisp, Jed Lowrie and Justin Masterson. If Jacoby Ellsbury was involved, the Twins probably wouldn't be asking for the additional center field prospect. Like Lowrie and Masterson, Kalish ranks comfortably among Boston's top 10 prospects. He is much further away from the majors than the others.

[EddieW33]

Dear Boston sports fans:

Any other MN players you would like?

Signed,

Stoptakingourgoddamnplayers :BANG


(Don't even think about M Gaborik :violent )

[LaDude]

Dear Boston sports fans:

Any other MN players you would like?

Signed,

Stoptakingourgoddamnplayers :BANG


(Don't even think about M Gaborik :violent )

I'd like to see A.P. in a Pats uniform! :)

[EddieW33]

I'd like to see A.P. in a Pats uniform! :)

Sorry, Kevin McHale is not in charge of the Vikings :lol

...and you have another wonderful RB from Minnesota, Maroney...

[jaydog82283]

Sorry, Kevin McHale is not in charge of the Vikings :lol

...and you have another wonderful RB from Minnesota, Maroney...

Can you imagine if Kevin Mchale were the gm of the twins? What would he trade santana for?

[SoRight24]

God please let Johan Santana come to Boston.

Santana + Beckett + Dice K + Schilling + Bucholz/Lester.

:eek

[crashintome202]

God please let Johan Santana come to Boston.

Santana + Beckett + Dice K + Schilling + Bucholz/Lester.

:eek
its not fair!:lorraine:lorraine

[tmorry326]

I would fully support a 5-for-1 that didn't include Ellsbury.

[chr35919]

Sox alone in Santana chase?
12/04/2007 9:45 PM ET
By Ian Browne / MLB.com

NASHVILLE, Tenn. -- By Tuesday night, the Red Sox remained hopeful of making a blockbuster deal for Twins ace Johan Santana, and still appeared to be the favorites in the derby.

But until every aspect of the transaction is complete, the Sox aren't going to start fitting Santana for that No. 57 jersey.

For the second consecutive day, Red Sox general manager Theo Epstein didn't refer to Santana by name in his session with the media. But on Tuesday, he did discuss the hot rumor-mill topic -- Boston's pursuit of the two-time American League Cy Young Award winner -- in broad terms.

"It's tough to tell," said Epstein. "It takes two teams to make a trade. I know there's been a lot of speculation out there that we're close to something big, but until we actually reach agreement, then we're not that close."

However, the field seemed to be shrinking. Perhaps it will come down to the Red Sox or the Twins simply opting not to trade Santana.

The Yankees -- stuck at an impasse because they wouldn't add Ian Kennedy to a package that already included Phil Hughes and Melky Cabrera -- are said to have backed out of the talks, at least for now.

Earlier in the day, there were rumors that the Angels -- who lost out to the Tigers in the race for stud slugger Miguel Cabrera -- were ready to swoop back in. But Angels general manager Tony Reagins denied having any talks with the Twins regarding the ace.

If other teams are in on Santana, they've kept an extremely low profile at the Winter Meetings.

Could it be that Boston is Minnesota's only dancing partner for a pitcher who many consider to be the best in the game?

"I don't know," Epstein said. "We're just focusing on what we're doing."

What the Red Sox have done is offer the Twins multiple packages. One reportedly included left-hander Jon Lester, center fielder Coco Crisp, shortstop Jed Lowrie, right-hander Justin Masterson and possibly outfield prospect Ryan Kalish. The other one consisted of center fielder Jacoby Ellsbury, Lowrie and Masterson. It is believed that the Twins -- looking to bolster their pitching staff with highly-rated prospects -- are more interested in scenario A.

The Red Sox, at least at this point, have been unwilling to include Ellsbury and Lester together in any proposal.

"Our approach in certain transactions is to be as flexible and accommodating and respectful as we possibly can be, while at the same time making sure we only offer things that we're very comfortable with," said Epstein. "I never really say that you've exhausted every avenue. There might be some other way to reach a deal that you haven't thought of just yet."

Winter Meetings

Asked if the process was nerve-wracking, Epstein said it wasn't. In fact, he is confident in the state of his organization with or without the addition of another ace pitcher to go alongside Josh Beckett.

"I think we're in a great position," said Epstein. "[Manager Terry Francona] said it well earlier today. He said, 'Last year, when I left your office and you were telling us how the free-agent pitching didn't excite you and how we had a plan to kind of lay low and go after [Daisuke] Matsuzaka, I left your office thinking, "This is going to be great if we get this guy, but we're [in trouble] if we don't."' [Francona] said, 'I don't have that feeling at all today.'"

"I think with some of the things that we're discussing as an organization, we all feel as if it's a win-win, that we're in a great position regardless," continued Epstein. "We've worked hard to get in this position, we feel good about our team at the Major League level. We feel good about our future. We're excited to see how it plays out. We're open to opportunities to get better. So, no, it's not nerve-wracking, because either alternative is a good one."

There were some reports that the Twins had informed the Red Sox they wanted something done by the end of Tuesday.

"I'm not comfortable commenting on timelines, or what other teams are indicating," Epstein said.

Similarly, Twins general manager Bill Smith wouldn't say if he had instituted any deadline.

"I can't predict the future," Smith said. "It takes two to tango always. So I don't know."

Epstein didn't sound as if he was ready to jump through hoops to acquire another starting pitcher in the event that efforts to reach Santana are unsuccessful.

After all, Boston already has Beckett, Matsuzaka, Curt Schilling, Tim Wakefield, Lester and Clay Buchholz.

"It's one of the most difficult things to do in baseball, is to compete at the highest level while developing young talent and while growing with that talent. I think we're in a position to do that," said Epstein. "I think we've done that, to some extent. I think we're in a position, to continue to do that and that's not to be taken lightly. We've worked really hard for a long time to get in this position and this is a big part of our philosophy that we believe in. We're not going to actively seek other deals just for the sake of making deals. Within that philosophy of growing with your own young talent and competing while developing, there are times to consider big moves that are almost too good to pass up that can make you a lot better."

Though Santana has clearly been Boston's hot-button topic at these Winter Meetings, Epstein was making sure other business -- such as improving the bullpen and the bench -- doesn't get lost in the shuffle.

"We have other things going on as well," said Epstein. "We're going to meet [Tuesday night] and sort of distribute assignments to our scouts for the evening and check in with other teams on smaller deals and make sure we don't miss any opportunities because of any one transaction."

But the big transaction -- the one Epstein won't refer to by name due to his respect for protocol -- is the one that all eyes continue to be fixated on.:hump

[dowling25]

the twins are taking too long. its making me nervous....and i just read this thing about the yankees might not be out of it or whatever....

i hope there is news when i wake up tomorrow!

[groton]

NASHVILLE, Tenn. (AP) -- The best team in baseball is getting closer to acquiring the best pitcher on the market.

The World Series champion Red Sox are working on a deal to acquire two-time Cy Young Award winner Johan Santana from Minnesota for a package that could include left-hander Jon Lester or outfielder Jacoby Ellsbury.

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Twins general manager Bill Smith wouldn't discuss the talks. Red Sox general manager Theo Epstein has also declined to comment on Santana, saying generally that "a lot of the rumors out there are just that."

"It takes two teams to make a trade," he told Boston-area reporters. "I know there's a lot of speculation that we're close to something big. Until we reach an agreement, then we're not that close."

If the teams agree to the players, the Red Sox would try to work out a contract extension with Santana, a 28-year-old lefty who is eligible for free agency after the 2008 season.

"We have no payroll constraints. Our issues aren't payroll right now," Twins general manager Bill Smith said. "Some of it is more length. Length of contract is an issue. Some things around groundbreaking issues. I'd just as soon leave it at that."

The New York Yankees had also been pursuing Santana before setting a Monday night deadline and pulling out of the negotiations.

Probably.

"A deadline is a deadline. It was pretty much done as of this morning," Yankees senior vice president Hank Steinbrenner said. "He's a fine pitcher, but there's a lot of things that go into this. This isn't fantasy baseball."

New York had offered pitcher Phil Hughes and center fielder Melky Cabrera. The Twins wanted pitcher Ian Kennedy to be included, but even after dropping that demand the sides couldn't agree on a third player.

"To tell you the truth, toward the end, Minnesota negotiated in good faith. They really did," Steinbrenner said. "I have no problem with them."

Smith sounded in no rush to make a deal.

"Johan Santana is a consummate professional. He's a great, great representative of this organization," the GM said. "But in all scenarios, we're going to try to make good baseball deals. We're going to try to make good decisions that benefit this club. And, as I say, if Johan is our opening-day starter, that's not bad."

In Boston, Santana would join a rotation that already includes Josh Beckett, Daisuke Matsuzaka, Curt Schilling and Tim Wakefield.

"A rotation featuring Beckett, Santana as the top two is pretty much as good as it can get. The thought of pitching behind these guys has to fire ya up," Schilling wrote on his blog, 38pitches.com. "How much is too much when you're talking about trading for the best left-handed pitcher in the game? How much is too much when you consider what he and Josh could do over the next 5-6 years."

Also Tuesday, agent Scott Boras said he has added Ellsbury as a client. Ellsbury had previously been represented by Joe Urbon.

In other news, Boston's David Ortiz was honored for the fifth consecutive season as designated hitter of the year. Ortiz batted .338 with 33 homers and 113 RBIs as a DH in 2007, adding a .629 slugging percentage and 51 doubles.

Jim Thome of the Chicago White Sox was second, and tied for third were Toronto's Frank Thomas and Cleveland's Travis Hafner.

The trophy is named for longtime Seattle Mariners DH Edgar Martinez, who was honored five times before he retired in 2004. Ortiz is the only other player to win five times, and the only one to win it five years in a row.

AP Baseball Writer Ronald Blum contributed to this report.

[dowling25]

this is taking foreve with santana

[templeofdmb]

this is taking foreve with santana
I know and that's starting to make me nervous... :shrug

[groton]

Its got to be Contract talks
I think the trade itself is done

so Last night at work one of the guys said We got to rip up Becket's deal after this is done since Becket probaly will be making 10Mil less a year then Santana

[dowling25]

^ good point this is going to be a very expensive rotation if santana indeed comes to the sox.

[templeofdmb]

expensive but oh so pretty!

[ProudestAnt]

No way this trade goes down. I'm pissed at myself for getting excited before anything was concrete...

[templeofdmb]

why do you say that?

[LaDude]

12:15 p.m., from Peter Gammons
• Don't expect to see a Twins-Red Sox or Twins-Yankees whopper. The sense is now that Minnesota will hold onto Johan Santana.

[jmudmbphan]

thank god....you guys had the opportunity to put us away for the next 3-5 years at least

[dowling25]

i was just going to post that thing that gammons said. we'll see i guess.

[groton]

Hmm well lets wait and see
I don't know what could of hung up the trade unless they wanted the Three Prospects,Lester and Elsbarry

[ProudestAnt]

Relatively upbeat news:

A baseball official close to Boston management, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because he is not authorized to disclose information, said the Red Sox and Twins are continuing to negotiate on players in a possible Johan Santana deal Wednesday.
The official added that the Red Sox are making offers as if there is still competition for Santana. For what it's worth, Will Carroll of Baseball Prospectus still thinks the deal is going down, though the Twins want to know more about the condition of Jon Lester's arm before they proceed. There's been some speculation that Jacoby Ellsbury's recent move to make Scott Boras his agent could have the Twins souring on him, but with six years to go before free agency, that can't be a major concern right now.
Source: Newark Star-Ledger

[groton]

good I really would like this trade

[tmorry326]

It is possible they're working out the players in the deal (please Sox, don't throwin Clay to make the Lester ((not Ellsbury)) deal sweeter).

I'm completely in love with this trade if it is the Johan-for Lester, Crisp, Lowrie, and the minor leaguer. I want Ellsbury and Bucholz to stay.

Very possible the players are decided on today-tomorrow and then the 72-hour window opens. We'll see.

[UNC41]

It is possible they're working out the players in the deal (please Sox, don't throwin Clay to make the Lester ((not Ellsbury)) deal sweeter).

I'm completely in love with this trade if it is the Johan-for Lester, Crisp, Lowrie, and the minor leaguer. I want Ellsbury and Bucholz to stay.

Very possible the players are decided on today-tomorrow and then the 72-hour window opens. We'll see.

Of course you are in love with it. The Red Sox would be fleecing the Twins.

[ProudestAnt]

Of course you are in love with it. The Red Sox would be fleecing the Twins. Hardly...

[UNC41]

Hardly...

You are getting fleeced if you trade the best pitcher in baseball for a package that does not include an elite prospect.

[ProudestAnt]

You are getting fleeced if you trade the best pitcher in baseball for a package that does not include an elite prospect. 1. Arguably the best pitcher in baseball
2. Said pitcher with only 1 year on his contract left
3. Said pitcher entering his 30s

[UNC41]

1. Arguably the best pitcher in baseball
2. Said pitcher with only 1 year on his contract left
3. Said pitcher entering his 30s

If Lincecum's name is even being mentioned in an Alex Rios swap the Twins are getting fleeced with a deal built around Lester.

[groton]

ah I agree with Ryan Okay Hell must of Froze over :lol

really Santana has done nothing in the playoff's

Lester I feel could be a great Number two and maybe a Ace someday

[ProudestAnt]

If Lincecum's name is even being mentioned in an Alex Rios swap the Twins are getting fleeced with a deal built around Lester. Lincecum wins 20 next season with a sub 3.50 ERA, book it...

[tmorry326]

I love baseball.

[LaDude]

Anyone get tickets this weekend? I got an Opening Day pack!

[jmudmbphan]

whats the deal sox people..is this johan deal going down or not

[ProudestAnt]

whats the deal sox people..is this johan deal going down or not The offers are still on the table and the Sox have said they're willing to listen to counter offers. It's still very much alive...

[thebestauntie]

The offers are still on the table and the Sox have said they're willing to listen to counter offers. It's still very much alive...
That would be the most awesomest Christmas present ever!! Man I hope it happens.

[groton]

I did not get any tickets this weekend by the time I woke up Sat the April and May Tickets were basically gone :(

[tmorry326]

I'll be going eBay for any tickets...again. Gross.

I love baseball.

[rickyh24]

I'll be going eBay for any tickets...again. Gross.

I love baseball.

they only released a few games, you could still get some the old fashion way.

[thebestauntie]

they only released a few games, you could still get some the old fashion way.
Hey Rick, if you get tickets I'll let you take me to a game! :D :lol

[groton]

What If I get Tickets :)

[thebestauntie]

What If I get Tickets :)
I'd let you take me to a game too Greggo! ;)

[Ascf33]

Go Yankees.

[thebestauntie]

Go Yankees.
Wrong thread TJ. :p

edit: but you can take me to a Yankees game this year.

[groton]

cool I've not been to fenway in two years now

[chr35919]

Go Yankees.
teh sux.

[thebestauntie]

cool I've not been to fenway in two years now
It's been three for me (2004). :shrug

[LaDude]

Has anyone ever been down to Sox spring training in Ft. Myers? I'm making my first trip this year. Any suggestions?

[ProudestAnt]

Has anyone ever been down to Sox spring training in Ft. Myers? I'm making my first trip this year. Any suggestions? I go every year, what week are you going? Also, what are you looking for in terms of suggestions?

[LaDude]

I go every year, what week are you going? Also, what are you looking for in terms of suggestions?

I'm spending 3 days in Ft. Myers on my way down to Key West. I'll only get to go to the March 5th game. I want to make the most of my day at City of Palms Park. Do people go early to watch the players? Any good bars around the park to check out? I'm just looking for things I should do besides go to the game at 1PM. Thanks!

[dowling25]

i just read a little thing that buster olney thinks the johan deal will eventually get done. The Twins like the deal for Ellsbury rather than Lester. That is not good news to loose Ellsbury!

[rickyh24]

i just read a little thing that buster olney thinks the johan deal will eventually get done. The Twins like the deal for Ellsbury rather than Lester. That is not good news to loose Ellsbury!

it is good news if you think of it logically. Santana can pretty much single handedly win a game. Ellsbury is expendable.

for the next 5 years the sox could have Beckett, Santana, Dice K, Lester, Bucholz...that would be money

[chr35919]

it is good news if you think of it logically. Santana can pretty much single handedly win a game. Ellsbury is expendable.

for the next 5 years the sox could have Beckett, Santana, Dice K, Lester, Bucholz...that would be money
:thumbsup exactly. i have no idea why people won't trade ellsbury to make this deal happen.

[rickyh24]

:thumbsup exactly. i have no idea why people won't trade ellsbury to make this deal happen.



there are plenty of Ellsburys out there, but there is only a few Santanas...and that may be generous.

[ProudestAnt]

I'm spending 3 days in Ft. Myers on my way down to Key West. I'll only get to go to the March 5th game. I want to make the most of my day at City of Palms Park. Do people go early to watch the players? Any good bars around the park to check out? I'm just looking for things I should do besides go to the game at 1PM. Thanks! http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/spring_training/guide/

Great site for everything Sox Spring Training. Enjoy yourself, it's a great experience, I just booked my trip last week...:thumbsup

[dowling25]

i don't want to trade ellsbury just because he was money all the times he played. i know santana is amazing.

[dowling25]

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3156038

new article about santana....but not stuff the sox want to hear.

[dowling25]

who all would want prior possibly?

[rickyh24]

who all would want prior possibly?

i wouldnt want to give him a huge contract, hes been hurt too much. If he is healthy and pitching good I would take him in a second.

[dowling25]

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20071219&content_id=2333269&vkey=hotstove2007&fext=.jsp

good article about santana and the red sox. also i heard the sox trying to trade lugo and crisp possibly for orlando cabrera

[Ascf33]

Go Yankees.

[GavMan33]

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20071219&content_id=2333269&vkey=hotstove2007&fext=.jsp

good article about santana and the red sox. also i heard the sox trying to trade lugo and crisp possibly for orlando cabrera

I never thought you shoulda let him go originally. He's a very good ballplayer, he doesn't get as much play as he should....

[thebestauntie]

Go Yankees.
Pssst. Wrong thread TJ. ;)

[thebestauntie]

I never thought you shoulda let him go originally. He's a very good ballplayer, he doesn't get as much play as he should....
You and a few million Red Sox fans.

[neumdogg]

This cracked me up:

The World Series baseball is in Hattiesburg. At least what is left of it is. "My dog ate it," said Red Sox closer Jonathan Papelbon, who has a home in the Canebrake subdivision. "He plays with baseballs like they are his toys. His name is Boss. He jumped up one day on the counter and snatched it. He likes rawhide. He tore that thing to pieces. Nobody knows that. I'll keep what's left of it."

[templeofdmb]

I know! Only Paps...:lol :lol

[groton]

I love Paps.

and hey Stranger :hug's

[rickyh24]

I thought Paps didnt know where it was? how did it get on his counter?

[rickyh24]

Fucking Papelbon, I cant really get mad at him though...:lol

[ProudestAnt]

I have to use my 10,000th post to give some love to my boys. 3 more months!!

[dowling25]

Clemens is annoying me so much these days. He is guilty everyone knows that!

[dowling25]

I am listening to this tape and it sounds like he still took those drugs. McNamee never says that he didn't or anything like that.

[LaDude]

Former Red Sox star Jim Rice missed being voted into baseball's Hall of Fame by 14 votes as he fell 2.8 percent (72.2) below the necessary 75 percent to gain admission.

:BANG :mad

[rickyh24]

Former Red Sox star Jim Rice missed being voted into baseball's Hall of Fame by 14 votes as he fell 2.8 percent (72.2) below the necessary 75 percent to gain admission.

:BANG :mad

again :mad what the fuck....

[thebestauntie]

Former Red Sox star Jim Rice missed being voted into baseball's Hall of Fame by 14 votes as he fell 2.8 percent (72.2) below the necessary 75 percent to gain admission.

:BANG :mad
That makes me mad! :devil :mad :violent

[seekup41nancies]

Damn, WTF!

[junior94]

I was standing around my local CVS a couple hours ago waiting for a prescription to be filled and so leafing thru ESPN the magazine (one with Tom Brady on the cover) and came across a fact in a Terry Francona article I found incredible. Did you guys know this? Francona is the first Red Sox manager since the 1940's to actually manage the team for at least 5 consecutive seasons. Talk about a lack of stability.

[ProudestAnt]

Maybe if Jim Rice wasn't a cunt to members of the press throughout his playing career, he would have gotten into the hall the first time around like he should have. And this is coming from a fan with 3, yes 3, Rice jerseys in his closet...

[thebestauntie]

He belongs in the Hall of Fame regardless as to how he treated the stupid media. I know, you know that.

You're not old enough to have seen him play are you Ryan?

[ProudestAnt]

He belongs in the Hall of Fame regardless as to how he treated the stupid media. I know, you know that.

You're not old enough to have seen him play are you Ryan? No, I was 4 when he retired, but he was my father's favorite player, so I inhereted a love for him...

[thebestauntie]

No, I was 4 when he retired, but he was my father's favorite player, so I inhereted a love for him...
That's what I thought. He was my favorite player growing up. I did get to see him play a few times. One of the benefits of being old! :lol I always had respect and admiration for him. And he had a pretty nice swing too!!

edit: actualy I'd say it was a tie between him and Yaz as my favorites growing up.

[groton]

Jim Rice needs to be in The Hall.
I saw him play a bit he was great he is right there in my head with Wade Boggs, Nomar,Greeny,Wake,Oil Can Boyd and Tek as my Favorite Redsox players in my lifetime.

[rickyh24]

Jim Rice needs to be in The Hall.


:thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup for sure.

[rickyh24]

all I know is someone who is as clutch as him in RBI baseball deserves a spot in the hall.

[tmorry326]

Less than two months 'till Spring training.

[DavefaninNZ]

Less than two months 'till Spring training.

Yes indeed! :thumbsup

[groton]

Woot Woot

[groton]

Top ten Liked. Redsox in your life time that you remeber.

mine from 86 when I can remeber the most to current.

1 Wade Bogg's
2 Jim Rice
3 Wakefield
4 Oil can
5 Tek
6 Greenwell
7 Nomar
8 Mo
9 Trot
10 Youlk

so what is your list guys.

[seekup41nancies]

Boggs is my fav player EVER!

[groton]

Boggs is my fav player EVER!

Mine too dude.

I met him in 86 on a offday or somthing.. He flirted with my mom for a while and I told him I was going to there next game told him where are seats was going be and he signed me a big picture of his that I still have.
my greatest moment in baseball.

well he did hit a ball right too my area like five rows before my seat

[rickyh24]

I lost a lot of respect for Boggs when he threw on Pinstripes. He is still the man though.

[LaDude]

Here is some of my favs...

1.Manny
2.Ortiz
3.Pedro
4.Garces
5.Nomar
6.Barrett
7.Burks
8.Horn
9. Beck
10. Vaughn

I also enjoyed Rickey Henderson’s cup of coffee with the Sox.

[rickyh24]

what about these guys?

http://cache.boston.com/bonzai-fba/Globe_Photo/2007/02/11/1171253178_4538.jpg

http://www.redsoxconnection.com/dwightevans.jpg

http://reds.enquirer.com/img/photos/2000/01/011200fisk.jpg

[thebestauntie]

My top ten:

1. Yaz
2. Jim Rice
3. Dewey
4. Nomar
5. Big Papi
6. Bill Mueller
7. Lou Merloni
8. Manny
9. Papelbon
10. Trot Nixon

[thebestauntie]

Here is some of my favs...

1.Manny
2.Ortiz
3.Pedro
4.Garces
5.Nomar
6.Barrett
7.Burks
8.Horn
9. Beck
10. Vaughn

I also enjoyed Rickey Henderson’s cup of coffee with the Sox.
Marty was on the cusp of my top 10, and I agree with Rickey Henderson!

[LaDude]

Marty was on the cusp of my top 10, and I agree with Rickey Henderson!

I don't remember what year it was, but I was at Fenway when the lights went out. It took awhile for the lights to come back on...and when they did and the players went back out on the field....Barrett pulled off the hidden ball trick for the third out!!!! It was fantastic!!! I also want to say someone stole home that night...but I could be thinking of another time.

Good Times! :)

[thebestauntie]

I don't remember what year it was, but I was at Fenway when the lights went out. It took awhile for the lights to come back on...and when they did and the players went back out on the field....Barrett pulled off the hidden ball trick for the third out!!!! It was fantastic!!! I also want to say someone stole home that night...but I could be thinking of another time.

Good Times! :)
Oh my gosh, I remember that! Unfortunately I also remember him swining at the last pitch to be the last out in the '86 World Series :lorraine.

But yeah, good times. :)

[groton]

what about these guys?

http://cache.boston.com/bonzai-fba/Globe_Photo/2007/02/11/1171253178_4538.jpg

http://www.redsoxconnection.com/dwightevans.jpg

http://reds.enquirer.com/img/photos/2000/01/011200fisk.jpg


I said Greenwell dude :)

the other two are great also.
Dewie was on the cusp dude.

and Fisk Great catcher

[ProudestAnt]

Only one person said El Guapo? Come on people.


On a semi-related note, I leave in 5 weeks for Ft. Meyers and my annual trip to Spring Training...

[groton]

sweet Ryan

[rickyh24]

I said Greenwell dude :)


I saw you did, he was left of the list the next person made. He would definitely crack my top 10.

In No order....

Clemens (The Red Sox version)
Manny
Ortiz
Papelbon
Greenwell
Burks
Evans
Pedro
Varitek
Rice

Next group
Schilling
Beckett
Vaughn
Boggs
Damon
Fisk
Wakefield
Damon
Eck
Lowe
Nixon


never saw these two play but they need to be mentioned

Yaz
Ted Williams

[groton]

I saw you did, he was left of the list the next person made. He would definitely crack my top 10.

In No order....

Clemens (The Red Sox version)
Manny
Ortiz
Papelbon
Greenwell
Burks
Evans
Pedro
Varitek
Rice

Next group
Schilling
Beckett
Vaughn
Boggs
Damon
Fisk
Wakefield
Damon
Eck
Lowe
Nixon


never saw these two play but they need to be mentioned

Yaz
Ted Williams

Yeah Burks and Eck were great ones also

and Yaz and Ted are right behind bogg's on my all time players of all time

a top ten Sox players of all time would take me a while to get since there is so many great's

[LaDude]

Only one person said El Guapo? Come on people.


On a semi-related note, I leave in 5 weeks for Ft. Meyers and my annual trip to Spring Training...


YEAH GUAPO!!! I wanted to go see him pitch in Nashua last season but never made it up. Is he still with them next season?

I'm going to the March 5th game! I can't wait!

[thebestauntie]

I saw you did, he was left of the list the next person made. He would definitely crack my top 10.

In No order....

Clemens (The Red Sox version)
Manny
Ortiz
Papelbon
Greenwell
Burks
Evans
Pedro
Varitek
Rice

Next group
Schilling
Beckett
Vaughn
Boggs
Damon
Fisk
Wakefield
Damon
Eck
Lowe
Nixon


never saw these two play but they need to be mentioned

Yaz
Ted Williams
The only reason Williams wasn't on my list was because I'd never seen him play, otherwise, most definately my fav BoSox of all time! :thumbsup
Only one person said El Guapo? Come on people.

On a semi-related note, I leave in 5 weeks for Ft. Meyers and my annual trip to Spring Training...
YEAH GUAPO!!! I wanted to go see him pitch in Nashua last season but never made it up. Is he still with them next season?
I'm going to the March 5th game! I can't wait!
I am more than a little jealous of both of you! :)

[DavefaninNZ]

In no particular order

Ortiz
Pedro
Nomar
Reed
Greenwell
Brunansky
Vaughn
Varitek
Daubach
Nixon

[groton]

In no particular order

Ortiz
Pedro
Nomar
Reed
Greenwell
Brunansky
Vaughn
Varitek
Daubach
Nixon

those two good ones Brian Daubach and Jody Reed.

[dowling25]

wow the twins chose the wrong deal.

[thebestauntie]

At least he didn't end up with the Yankees! Or any other AL team.

[ProudestAnt]

Yeah, luckily we don't have to see him until the WS, and the Mets can't pitch him all 4 games...

[rickyh24]

Yeah, luckily we don't have to see him until the WS, and the Mets can't pitch him all 4 games...

:lol Exactly. I'm also excited to see how good Jacoby is going to be.

[ProudestAnt]

:lol Exactly. I'm also excited to see how good Jacoby is going to be. We won't see him consistantly until June or so, and that's assuming Crisp doesn't bounce back from last season...

[specialkd24]

I'm happy the Sox didn't get him. $150 million is too much to sink into a pitcher when you already have the best staff in baseball (and the best big-game pitcher in Beckett).

I love Ellsbury and I think the Sox can spend that money in better ways.

[rickyh24]

We won't see him consistantly until June or so, and that's assuming Crisp doesn't bounce back from last season...

If Jacoby is not the everyday center fielder for the Sox starting opening day its a mistake IMO. They need to move Crisp out of town.

[ProudestAnt]

If Jacoby is not the everyday center fielder for the Sox starting opening day its a mistake IMO. They need to move Crisp out of town. No, I think the best thing to do is let him open the season, hope he turns things around and flip him at the break for a hole (4th or 5th starter or perhaps a FUCKING CATCHER). He's of no value right now, and Ellsbury will only get better as he fills spots when Manny gets tired, and Drew inevitably gets hurt or when Papi's on base in the late innings...

[LaDude]

The Red Sox today agreed to one-year, $800,000 deal with lefthanded hitting first baseman Sean Casey, pending a physical.

Solid backup for Youk!

[rickyh24]

The Red Sox today agreed to one-year, $800,000 deal with lefthanded hitting first baseman Sean Casey, pending a physical.

Solid backup for Youk!

:thumbsup Definitely a great addition, he had some great years with the Reds.

[dowling25]

That is a great pick up for the Red Sox in signing Casey. He's a left handed career .300 hitter with a little pop. And I read somewhere that he is supposedly a good "club house" guy. I hope this pays off this year for rest with Youk or Lowell...or in case one of them gets injured.

[tmorry326]

Go Sox.

[malarks26]

The Red Sox today agreed to one-year, $800,000 deal with lefthanded hitting first baseman Sean Casey, pending a physical.

Solid backup for Youk!

Good pickup for you guys if this is true. I've always liked Sean Casey as a player.

[LaDude]

Pitchers and Catchers report in 12 days!

[SoRight24]

Repeat in 08!

12 days and counting.

[tmorry326]

Yes they do.

[thom hudson]

Good pickup for you guys if this is true. I've always liked Sean Casey as a player.
me too. he is a huge dave fan :thumbsup

[jmudmbphan]

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3235556

not as big as a blow as it would have been a few years ago...but still, thats not good for sox fans..

[thebestauntie]

Crap.

[william.hosking]

Crap.

Did you honestly think Schilling was going to be a healthy, effective pitcher this season? :shrug

[thebestauntie]

Did you honestly think Schilling was going to be a healthy, effective pitcher this season? :shrug
No I guess not, but after not signing Santana I was hoping!

[malarks26]

Did you honestly think Schilling was going to be a healthy, effective pitcher this season? :shrug

He's on his way out, his age is catching up with him quick.

[william.hosking]

No I guess not, but after not signing Santana I was hoping!

Why were you hoping? He went to the NL, you should be happy he didn't sign with another AL team.

He's on his way out, his age is catching up with him quick.

I would love to see what the over/under is for starts Schilling makes in 2008.

[thebestauntie]

Why were you hoping? He went to the NL, you should be happy he didn't sign with another AL team.
I was hoping that Schilling would be healthy and a contributing factor after the Sox did not sign Santana. I don't understand your post. :freak

[thebestauntie]

He's on his way out, his age is catching up with him quick.
He just needs some HGH and roids and he'll be fine.

[william.hosking]

I was hoping that Schilling would be healthy and a contributing factor after the Sox did not sign Santana. I don't understand your post. :freak

Schilling won't be healthy or effective ever again. I must have misunderstood your original post, but the point I was making was you should be happy that Santana didn't sign with another AL team since the Sox didn't get him. This way you won't have to worry about hitting against him very often, if at all.

Give me a :hug

[thebestauntie]

Schilling won't be healthy or effective ever again. I must have misunderstood your original post, but the point I was making was you should be happy that Santana didn't sign with another AL team since the Sox didn't get him. This way you won't have to worry about hitting against him very often, if at all.

Give me a :hug
Because you asked so nice Sweet Cheeks :hug.

And yes, I am definately happy that he went to the NL if he didn't sign with the Sox!;)

[ProudestAnt]

So wait, we're upset that Schilling is hurt and Clay gets into the rotation faster? I'm just checking...

[chr35919]

So wait, we're upset that Schilling is hurt and Clay gets into the rotation faster? I'm just checking...:thumbsup:thumbsup

[thebestauntie]

So wait, we're upset that Schilling is hurt and Clay gets into the rotation faster? I'm just checking...
If that's what happens, then I'm fine. But I thought you had said a while ago that Clay needed some more seasoning in the Minors, so I didn't think he was ready for the Show.

[thehoss]

so whats the rotation now.... beckett, dice-k, wakefield, lester, buckholtz?

[ProudestAnt]

If that's what happens, then I'm fine. But I thought you had said a while ago that Clay needed some more seasoning in the Minors, so I didn't think he was ready for the Show. He does, but there's no better time to get that seasoning than in the show that early in the season when it doesn't mean anything...

[GavMan33]

He does, but there's no better time to get that seasoning than in the show that early in the season when it doesn't mean anything...

:freak :rolleyes

Can you rephrase that? I know what you mean, but that's not what you said. Of course early season means something; every game means the same, especially when you know you will battle the Yankees right down to the wire....

[ProudestAnt]

:freak :rolleyes

Can you rephrase that? I know what you mean, but that's not what you said. Of course early season means something; every game means the same, especially when you know you will battle the Yankees right down to the wire.... Do I know that? :lol

[jmudmbphan]

the success of the sox bullpen really hinges on what Dice K can do imo..

we all know beckett will be lights out, wakefield will be his typical self, lester and bucholz, are like hughes and kennedy. dice-k is is either going to make or break this rotation...im voting for break...

[thebestauntie]

Do I know that? :lol
Well sometimes your assessments are questionable... :lol

Thanks for answering my question too. :)
the success of the sox bullpen really hinges on what Dice K can do imo..

we all know beckett will be lights out, wakefield will be his typical self, lester and bucholz, are like hughes and kennedy. dice-k is is either going to make or break this rotation...im voting for break...
No one asked you Matt. :p


edit: Hi Bob, nice to see you again!

[jmudmbphan]

now its sounding like schillihng hid this injury when he was signing his latest contract..........what a great guy you sox fans have over there! schilling is such a piece of trash

[thebestauntie]

now its sounding like schillihng hid this injury when he was signing his latest contract..........what a great guy you sox fans have over there! schilling is such a piece of trash
Link?

[LaDude]

now its sounding like schillihng hid this injury when he was signing his latest contract..........what a great guy you sox fans have over there! schilling is such a piece of trash

Yeah – I wish Theo had stuck to his first instinct and did not sign Curt. Coming off the World Series win though and Curt wanting to play in Boston for 1 more season and blogging about it every chance he could, I think Theo was afraid of the public backlash he would get by letting him walk.

Let’s not forget about Tavarez. He was a good fill in last season! Maybe Delcarmen will break out this season too?

[Ascf33]

Schilling blogs. lolz.

[chr35919]

now its sounding like schillihng hid this injury when he was signing his latest contract..........what a great guy you sox fans have over there! schilling is such a piece of trash
don't even talk man...clemens, pettitte, and the better part of the yankees over the last 7 years <<< schilling from a trash standpoint.

[jiggajm18]

don't even talk man...clemens, pettitte, and the better part of the yankees over the last 7 years <<< schilling from a trash standpoint.

i'm sure some high-profile sox players would be accused of steroids if mitchell had gone after new england-area trainers, though.

[jmudmbphan]

don't even talk man...clemens, pettitte, and the better part of the yankees over the last 7 years <<< schilling from a trash standpoint.

using hgh two times or hosing your team for millions of dollars because you werent man enough to own to your injured shoulder.

think youd have more loyalty to the soxs than to schilling...your team got hosed by this chump...

[tmorry326]

Jiggajm18 -- did you actually read the report?

[DIDriveOut2SPAC]

Anyone else pick up tickets to April 11th Sox - Yankees??
:hump :hump :hump

[SoRight24]

Thanks for helping us win it all Curt, but to Hell with you if you knew your shoulder was injured.

We could have used that time and money to pursue younger, better pitchers.

[dowling25]

Thanks for helping us win it all Curt, but to Hell with you if you knew your shoulder was injured.

We could have used that time and money to pursue younger, better pitchers.


Yeah dude that sucks to hear about his shoulder...he'll be back just in time for the playoffs! and then he'll go 4-0 with at 2.50 ERA!

[groton]

yeah Shilling pisses me off personally but we need to do with out him since with in five seasons probaly a lot sooner both him and wake will be retired

[jmudmbphan]

5 seasons? schilling is done after this year

[thebestauntie]

If you count it like this it's 5 seasons:

1 - 2004
2 - 2005
3 - 2006
4 - 2007
5 - 2008

[groton]

5 seasons? schilling is done after this year

I was talking both him and Wake.

[LaDude]

You guys remember the Valentines day when the Yanks traded for A-Rod (2004)! I was pissed! Not so upset at the way things turned out!! :)

[DavefaninNZ]

You guys remember the Valentines day when the Yanks traded for A-Rod (2004)! I was pissed! Not so upset at the way things turned out!! :)


Haha, I do. My girlfriend sheltered me from news and the internet all day. She told my roommate not to say anything to me, as she thought it would put me in a shitty mood for V-day. Later on, just before we sat down to dinner, I went online and saw it.
I didn't let it ruin it for me. I could have, but decided there were more important things going on that day.

Any other day though, and I probably would've thrown the computer out the window. :lol

[groton]

I was so Pissed that day.

[dowling25]

yeah Shilling pisses me off personally but we need to do with out him since with in five seasons probaly a lot sooner both him and wake will be retired

Man I can't believe Schilling pisses you off....he has brought two world championships to Red Sox nation in the time he has been with them. I would think that he would bring the opposite of pissing people off.

[LaDude]

The Sox and Francona agree to terms on a 3 year extension. Keeps him in the dugout through the 2011 season!

[MistreatedLewis]

Man I can't believe Schilling pisses you off....he has brought two world championships to Red Sox nation in the time he has been with them. I would think that he would bring the opposite of pissing people off.

Seriously. If Santana helps bring the Mets two championships in four years, he can take the last two of his contract years off for full pay for all I care.

[jmudmbphan]

doesnt take much to appease the underachieved does it?

[MistreatedLewis]

doesnt take much to appease the underachieved does it?

Nope. It sure doesn't.

Someone once said, I think it might have been Neyer or Stark, I paraphrase, that if your team wins a championhsip you have no right to complain about the team's decisions for five years. After that you can go crazy again. I kind of like that rule. If the Mets win a championship in the next couple years I would certainly give them a lot of slack - for just about anything short of trading David Wright or Jose Reyes.

[chr35919]

Nope. It sure doesn't.

Someone once said, I think it might have been Neyer or Stark, I paraphrase, that if your team wins a championhsip you have no right to complain about the team's decisions for five years. After that you can go crazy again. I kind of like that rule. If the Mets win a championship in the next couple years I would certainly give them a lot of slack - for just about anything short of trading David Wright or Jose Reyes.
i guess the yankees have no slack at all right now?

[GavMan33]

i guess the yankees have no slack at all right now?

:lol You're a wiseass bro, but I'll respond anyway

I complain about the Yankee front office only because the new owner seems to be about the dumbest individual in the world that doesn't work at Madison Square Garden....

[MistreatedLewis]

i guess the yankees have no slack at all right now?

No, it's been over fiver years - doesn't matter ow many the won before that.
They can bitch away - and they should, considering some of the idiot mistakes management has made since then.

[groton]

Man I can't believe Schilling pisses you off....he has brought two world championships to Red Sox nation in the time he has been with them. I would think that he would bring the opposite of pissing people off.

writing this wearing my Shilling Tshirt.

I'm pissed off at him if he was Injured before he signed the contract.
but if this happend after he signed/He found out about it after then I am not pissed at him.
I should of worded that better.

[LaDude]

The Red Sox have agreed to the terms of a minor league deal with right-hander Bartolo Colon.

I like the Sox taking a chance on Colon! If it doesn't work out, nothing lost. If it does work out, look out! :)

[smeritt]

The Red Sox have agreed to the terms of a minor league deal with right-hander Bartolo Colon.

I like the Sox taking a chance on Colon! If it doesn't work out, nothing lost. If it does work out, look out! :)
Bartolo Colon is washed up in my opinion. But you're right if it doesn't work out meh, if he does come back and throwing hard he's a hell of an addittion. Let's hope fat tired 89 mph Bartolo is the one you signed.

[thebestauntie]

Bartolo Colon is washed up in my opinion. But you're right if it doesn't work out meh, if he does come back and throwing hard he's a hell of an addittion. Let's hope fat tired 89 mph Bartolo is the one you signed.
:p :mad

[LaDude]

Bartolo Colon is washed up in my opinion. But you're right if it doesn't work out meh, if he does come back and throwing hard he's a hell of an addittion. Let's hope fat tired 89 mph Bartolo is the one you signed.

I tend to agree with you. I think he is done....but you never know. Worth a chance on the 2005 Cy Young winner. Worst case you have him room with Buchholz to help put some meat on the kids bones! :lol

[seekup41nancies]

Colon is definatly worth taking a chance on!

[ProudestAnt]

Dude's an innings eater, so bring him on...

[chr35919]

Bartolo Colon is washed up in my opinion. But you're right if it doesn't work out meh, if he does come back and throwing hard he's a hell of an addittion. Let's hope fat tired 89 mph Bartolo is the one you signed.boston globe:

With the shoulder injury to Curt Schilling, the Red Sox obviously felt the need to seek out another overweight starter to add to their arsenal of pitching...:lol

[rickyh24]

What the hell huh?...Its worth a shot I guess

[groton]

I like the signing.

if he don't work out oh well but if he pitches like he did this winter he will be great.

[LaDude]

Greenwell and Vaughn selected to the Red Sox Hall of Fame.

The Foxy Lady will be hosting a special dinner in honor of Mo. :)

[chr35919]

congrats to bob ryan...national sportswriter of the year:thumbsup:thumbsup

[dowling25]

So I am watching the spring training game right now, and I just heard Remy and Orsillo talking about how Tina Cervasio left. I am a little sad right now, she was so good and I loved listening to her. I wonder where she went and why she left...

[rickyh24]

So I am watching the spring training game right now, and I just heard Remy and Orsillo talking about how Tina Cervasio left. I am a little sad right now, she was so good and I loved listening to her. I wonder where she went and why she left...

yeah she was pretty good looking too.

[LaDude]

So I am watching the spring training game right now, and I just heard Remy and Orsillo talking about how Tina Cervasio left. I am a little sad right now, she was so good and I loved listening to her. I wonder where she went and why she left...

I think she went to NY for the $.

[dmblynny]

Scored Boston/Phils tickets earlier this week...


...May the best team win. ;)

[dowling25]

I think she went to NY for the $.

New York Mets...Yankees..

Or just New York?

[ProudestAnt]

I leave for spring training on Saturday!!

[thebestauntie]

Have fun Ryan! I'm more than a little jealous, just so you know. ;)

[GavMan33]

Greenwell and Vaughn selected to the Red Sox Hall of Fame.

The Foxy Lady will be hosting a special dinner in honor of Mo. :)

Sorry I missed this like 3 weeks ago :lol I know Greenwell. Is Vaughn supposed to be Mo Vaughn? What is that guy up to now? It seems to me right after he left Boston he shit the bed....

[DavefaninNZ]

Sorry I missed this like 3 weeks ago :lol I know Greenwell. Is Vaughn supposed to be Mo Vaughn? What is that guy up to now? It seems to me right after he left Boston he shit the bed....

I saw a piece on him that said he runs a charity that refurbishes low income houses. Can't remember if its in boston, or philly, or new york or someplace in Connecticut. He donates a lot of his time and the money he earned while on the DL to the cause. Pretty admirable.
:thumbsup

[2steppin365]

So I am watching the spring training game right now, and I just heard Remy and Orsillo talking about how Tina Cervasio left. I am a little sad right now, she was so good and I loved listening to her. I wonder where she went and why she left...


who knows and who cares!!! hazel mae is better!!!

[seekup41nancies]

So I am watching the spring training game right now, and I just heard Remy and Orsillo talking about how Tina Cervasio left. I am a little sad right now, she was so good and I loved listening to her. I wonder where she went and why she left...

I guess she took a job "closer to home". She will be missed, but we'll all move on.

Hazel Mae should take over;) :hump

[rickyh24]

I guess she took a job "closer to home". She will be missed, but we'll all move on.

Hazel Mae should take over;) :hump

She is still on sports desk I saw her last night. So we will still see her. She just isn't going to be with the Sox every game. She was working at a Celts game the other night.

[jmudmbphan]

bucholz looks like poo poo

[mangione]

I have set up a Yahoo Fantasy Baseball League for DMB fans. If anyone is interested in joining please send me a pm or leave your email address and I will get back to you. This is a free league but I am thinking the winner can get a choice of 5 shows from this tour as a prize, second gets four, and third gets 3? But lets see if anyone is interested first! Only join if you are going to keep up with your team on a daily basis! I think this could be some fun!

I have set it up to be an 8 team league but might expand to 10 if there are enough people. So far there are 4.

[rickyh24]

Beckett is having back spasms...sweet....

[rickyh24]

http://boston.redsox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080308&content_id=2412996&vkey=spt2008news&fext=.jsp&c_id=bos

[ProudestAnt]

Stupid storm has pushed my flight back to tomorrow...

[rickyh24]

^Damn that sucks....Did they call you to let you know?