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MistreatedLewis

07-28-2008, 12:17 PM

and phil hughes is better than beckett...."I don't care what Hughes' ERA is..."

:confused

Sure, if we don't look at numbers and keep our head int he sand, its easy to say someone is better than someone else.

Well I think it's fair to say that over the last few years Beckett's numbers have been more consistent than Mussina's, and while so far over 2008 Mussina has been better, it's not certain based on past performance that it will look the same on September 28th or whenever.

jmudmbphan

07-28-2008, 12:19 PM

Right...but we aren't talking about the past.....and we aren't talking about what might happen in the future. We are talking about currently...Currently, Mike Mussina is better than Josh Beckett.

MistreatedLewis

07-28-2008, 12:20 PM

Right...but we aren't talking about the past.....and we aren't talking about what might happen in the future. We are talking about currently...Currently, Mike Mussina is better than Josh Beckett.

What does currently mean? At this minute? At this minute he isn't pitching at all.
Today? Today only one of them is pitching. This week? This month? What does currently mean?

jmudmbphan

07-28-2008, 12:21 PM

???

From the start of this current season until today at 8:21 PST.....

MistreatedLewis

07-28-2008, 12:23 PM

???

From the start of this current season until today at 8:21 PST.....

That isn't exactly what the word "currently" means.

You should say, "so far in 2008 overall."

jmudmbphan

07-28-2008, 12:29 PM

1. passing in time; belonging to the time actually passing: the current month.
2. prevalent; customary: the current practice.
3. popular; in vogue: current fashions.
4. new; present; most recent: the current issue of a publication.
5. publicly reported or known: a rumor that is current.
6. passing from one to another; circulating, as a coin.
7. Archaic. running; flowing.
8. Obsolete. genuine; authentic.
–noun 9. a flowing; flow, as of a river.
10. something that flows, as a stream.
11. a large portion of air, large body of water, etc., moving in a certain direction.
12. the speed at which such flow moves; velocity of flow.
13. Electricity. electric current.
14. a course, as of time or events; the main course; the general tendency.

seems my definition does in fact work..........however, the fact I even need to post the definition of the word "currently" in a sports forum is pathetic. Most people would know what is meant by currently...im sorry if you dont. I really dont know why I post here sometimes..this board is so douchy.

MistreatedLewis

07-28-2008, 12:33 PM

^Your definitions just show that the meaning of the word is very ambiguous.

be specific and say "so far in 2008overall" and there's no problem.

thebestauntie

07-28-2008, 12:35 PM

Oh my gosh, will you two take your argument out of the Red Sox thread and put it in either the Yankees or the Mets thread please? :rolleyes

MistreatedLewis

07-28-2008, 12:36 PM

Oh my gosh, will you two take your argument out of the Red Sox thread and put it in either the Yankees or the Mets thread please? :rolleyes

Ok, I'll go with his argumen then.

Mussina >>> Beckett.

:)

thebestauntie

07-28-2008, 12:42 PM

Ok, I'll go with his argumen then.

Mussina >>> Beckett.

:)
Whatever! :rolleyes :) :lol

Lcsulla

07-28-2008, 01:36 PM

I don't care where I play, I can even play in Iraq if need be. My job is to play baseball.

Wow.

thebestauntie

07-28-2008, 01:37 PM

Wow.
No, he didn't seriously say that?! :eek

Lcsulla

07-28-2008, 01:40 PM

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3507249

thebestauntie

07-28-2008, 01:46 PM

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3507249
For someone who says he does't like the attention from the media, he sure is doing a bad job of keeping it off of him.

Crush086

07-28-2008, 01:50 PM

Well I think it's fair to say that over the last few years Beckett's numbers have been more consistent than Mussina's, and while so far over 2008 Mussina has been better, it's not certain based on past performance that it will look the same on September 28th or whenever.
Not true at all. Last year was his good year.

The year before he posted a mighty 5.01 ERA. Consistent? Hardly.

His last year in Florida was decent, but every year before that, he didn't make more than 26 starts. And that was that was one time in 04. He had even less his previous years.

Mike had a terrible year last year. But last year was the only time in his career he's had over a 5 ERA (5.15). Not to mention excluding this years stats, he's averaging just under 200 innings a year (198 I believe), and a 3.7 ERA.

Now, let's not forget we're talking about a guy that has a decade of playing time over Beckett. Saying Beckett is better than Mussina is almost irrelevant. A truer comparison is doing stats for the first 6 years as a pro (exlcuding rookie seasons. Beckett hardly had any rookie season, so I don't want to include this to boost Mussina through the roof).

Innings: Beckett 990 (165 avg.) ----- Mussina 1274 (212 avg.)
ERA: 3.76 avg. ----- Mussina 3.56 ERA
K's: 935 (156 avg.) ----- Mussina 926 (154 avg.)
Walks: 324 (54 avg.) ----- 307 (51 avg.)
Wins: 75 (13 avg.) ----- Mussina 101

Now, I'm sure this is probably a dead topic, but this constant infatuation with Beckett makes me sick. The guy had one good postseason, and all the sudden he's hailed as a king of some sort. It's weird.

And, as if I truly need to make this post any longer, Mussina's better than Beckett this year.

scrock25

07-28-2008, 01:54 PM

^^^ Fantastic fucking post. Those numbers say it all, no if's, and's, or but's. Those are numbers, nobody can dispute them. Great post, just wonderful.

UNC41

07-28-2008, 02:10 PM

Not true at all. Last year was his good year.

The year before he posted a mighty 5.01 ERA. Consistent? Hardly.

His last year in Florida was decent, but every year before that, he didn't make more than 26 starts. And that was that was one time in 04. He had even less his previous years.

Mike had a terrible year last year. But last year was the only time in his career he's had over a 5 ERA (5.15). Not to mention excluding this years stats, he's averaging just under 200 innings a year (198 I believe), and a 3.7 ERA.

Now, let's not forget we're talking about a guy that has a decade of playing time over Beckett. Saying Beckett is better than Mussina is almost irrelevant. A truer comparison is doing stats for the first 6 years as a pro (exlcuding rookie seasons. Beckett hardly had any rookie season, so I don't want to include this to boost Mussina through the roof).

Innings: Beckett 990 (165 avg.) ----- Mussina 1274 (212 avg.)
ERA: 3.76 avg. ----- Mussina 3.56 ERA
K's: 935 (156 avg.) ----- Mussina 926 (154 avg.)
Walks: 324 (54 avg.) ----- 307 (51 avg.)
Wins: 75 (13 avg.) ----- Mussina 101

Now, I'm sure this is probably a dead topic, but this constant infatuation with Beckett makes me sick. The guy had one good postseason, and all the sudden he's hailed as a king of some sort. It's weird.

And, as if I truly need to make this post any longer, Mussina's better than Beckett this year.

Nice research, but those numbers are completely irrelevant to who has been the better pitcher since Beckett entered the majors. Yes Mussina is having the a stronger year, but I'd say 20 starts is too small a sample size to determine who is the better pitcher.

crashintonickdm

07-28-2008, 02:12 PM

send manny to the phils.

MistreatedLewis

07-28-2008, 02:25 PM

Not true at all. Last year was his good year.

The year before he posted a mighty 5.01 ERA. Consistent? Hardly.

His last year in Florida was decent, but every year before that, he didn't make more than 26 starts. And that was that was one time in 04. He had even less his previous years.

Mike had a terrible year last year. But last year was the only time in his career he's had over a 5 ERA (5.15). Not to mention excluding this years stats, he's averaging just under 200 innings a year (198 I believe), and a 3.7 ERA.

Now, let's not forget we're talking about a guy that has a decade of playing time over Beckett. Saying Beckett is better than Mussina is almost irrelevant. A truer comparison is doing stats for the first 6 years as a pro (exlcuding rookie seasons. Beckett hardly had any rookie season, so I don't want to include this to boost Mussina through the roof).

Innings: Beckett 990 (165 avg.) ----- Mussina 1274 (212 avg.)
ERA: 3.76 avg. ----- Mussina 3.56 ERA
K's: 935 (156 avg.) ----- Mussina 926 (154 avg.)
Walks: 324 (54 avg.) ----- 307 (51 avg.)
Wins: 75 (13 avg.) ----- Mussina 101

Now, I'm sure this is probably a dead topic, but this constant infatuation with Beckett makes me sick. The guy had one good postseason, and all the sudden he's hailed as a king of some sort. It's weird.

And, as if I truly need to make this post any longer, Mussina's better than Beckett this year.

While your post was very good and you are right about his consistency, I was wrong, that;s not true: he had two extremely dominant postseasons resulting in WS wins, one of them being with Florida.

thebridge15

07-28-2008, 02:25 PM

send manny to the phils.:thumbsdow

jmudmbphan

07-28-2008, 03:48 PM

send manny to afghanistan

thebestauntie

07-28-2008, 03:55 PM

send manny to afghanistan
That one gave me the lolz

Crush086

07-28-2008, 04:05 PM

While your post was very good and you are right about his consistency, I was wrong, that;s not true: he had two extremely dominant postseasons resulting in WS wins, one of them being with Florida.
That's true. The guy can do his thing in the postseason, too bad there won't be one for Boston this year. :lol

Man, I'm so late on these replies. I'm actually having to do work today. Go figure.

Crush086

07-28-2008, 05:55 PM

Why are they making such a big deal out of Manny?

There's 3 days till the deadline. Is it really expected that someone's going to put a package together that's going to satisfy the Sox, and then be willing to take that salary?

malarks26

07-28-2008, 05:59 PM

send manny to afghanistan

:thumbsup :lol

Lcsulla

07-28-2008, 06:07 PM

send manny to afghanistan

Send him to the Bronx please. We can throw Nady in center to platoon with Damon and put Manny in left. Then we can all celebrate when we ship Melky out!

jmudmbphan

07-28-2008, 06:10 PM

I wouldn't trust Manny to cover left field at yankee stadium..he can barely cover the small area hes got in fenway

Lcsulla

07-28-2008, 06:11 PM

He always manages to look like a gold glover out there when the Sox come to town.

scrock25

07-28-2008, 06:13 PM

He always manages to look like a gold glover out there when the Sox come to town.

That's because he's the most selfish player in the game, and perhaps that the game has ever seen, that only plays when he wants to play.

They got a couple of good hitters in the middle of that line-up, not even close to a couple of great "ball players".

MistreatedLewis

07-28-2008, 06:25 PM

That's because he's the most selfish player in the game, and perhaps that the game has ever seen, that only plays when he wants to play.

They got a couple of good hitters in the middle of that line-up, not even close to a couple of great "ball players".

Manny is hardly the only great player ever to act like that.

Remember Randy Johnson's performance when he wanted to be traded?

Then you even have shitty players who pull that kind of crap. Remember Operation Shutdown?

Manny is selfish but I think to say he's the most selfish player who's ever played the game might be a little unfair.

scrock25

07-28-2008, 06:33 PM

Manny is hardly the only great player ever to act like that.

Remember Randy Johnson's performance when he wanted to be traded?

Then you even have shitty players who pull that kind of crap. Remember Operation Shutdown?

Manny is selfish but I think to say he's the most selfish player who's ever played the game might be a little unfair.

Right, take into consideration that I'm a Yankee die-hard douche.

I agree with you.

specialkd24

07-28-2008, 09:23 PM

The guy had one good postseason, and all the sudden he's hailed as a king of some sort. It's weird.

Just wanted to correct one thing. One good postseason? Remember 2003? Complete game shutout (9 K's) at the Stadium to help the Marlins to the World Series?

I'd say Beckett has been in 2 postseasons and been pretty much the MVP both times.

Beckett is only 6-2 with a 1.73 ERA and 82 K's in 72.2 innings of postseason play (10 games). And that is a 1.16 ERA in World Series play.

Maybe Mussina's numbers are a little better than Beckett's right now this season, but I would take a 28-year old Beckett over a 39-year year old Mussina ANYTIME.

thebestauntie

07-28-2008, 11:45 PM

Man I hate the Angels! :BANG:BANG:BANG

MistreatedLewis

07-28-2008, 11:52 PM

Right, take into consideration that I'm a Yankee die-hard douche.

I agree with you.

Die hard fans don't HAVE to act like assclowns though.

MistreatedLewis

07-28-2008, 11:53 PM

thebestauntie

07-28-2008, 11:56 PM

Die hard fans don't HAVE to act like assclowns though.
According to the handbook we are! :lol

scrock25

07-29-2008, 10:38 AM

Die hard fans don't HAVE to act like assclowns though.

Again, I agree with you.

Crush086

07-29-2008, 11:26 AM

Just wanted to correct one thing. One good postseason? Remember 2003? Complete game shutout (9 K's) at the Stadium to help the Marlins to the World Series?

I'd say Beckett has been in 2 postseasons and been pretty much the MVP both times.

Beckett is only 6-2 with a 1.73 ERA and 82 K's in 72.2 innings of postseason play (10 games). And that is a 1.16 ERA in World Series play.

Maybe Mussina's numbers are a little better than Beckett's right now this season, but I would take a 28-year old Beckett over a 39-year year old Mussina ANYTIME.
Like I said. 1 good postseason. The other was decent. 1 game you mentioned, out of 6. He was 0-1 in the Divisional Series, with an excellent 5 walks in 7 innings. He also posted a 3.26 ERA in the ALCS. His WS games were indeed good, but his other performances were nothing to write home about.

Now, I'll say it again. Dude has really become a Postseason workhorse, but his numbers otherwise don't amount to the credit he's given.

Of course, regardless of what I say, the Beckett ballwashing in Boston will continue.

And yes, Beckett is a much better option in the postseason. I know someone's going to try to get me to say it.

neumdogg

07-29-2008, 07:09 PM

Man I hate the Angels! :BANG:BANG:BANG
You can hate them even more now. They just got Tex!

DavefaninNZ

07-29-2008, 10:03 PM

John Lackey is throwing a no-hitter right now.

edit: hopefully that'll work.

thebestauntie

07-29-2008, 10:03 PM

You can hate them even more now. They just got Tex!
Oh great!!! :rolleyes:rolleyes :BANG:BANG

ProudestAnt

07-29-2008, 10:12 PM

So the Sox are getting no-hit by Lackey of all people. Trade fucking Manny. I don't care anymore, do SOMETHING to wake this fucking team up...

SoRight24

07-29-2008, 10:24 PM

This series has been UGLY.

ProudestAnt

07-29-2008, 10:26 PM

No MO!! Thanks Pedie...

SoRight24

07-29-2008, 10:27 PM

A small victory.....

thebestauntie

07-29-2008, 10:30 PM

Thank god they didn't get no hit! :rolleyes

SoRight24

07-29-2008, 10:31 PM

So the Sox are getting no-hit by Lackey of all people. Trade fucking Manny. I don't care anymore, do SOMETHING to wake this fucking team up...

After his "hustle" down the line last night, I'm done caring about him.

He can go for all I care.

Edited to add, not that he sprints down the line usually, but that was obvious last night.

ProudestAnt

07-29-2008, 10:32 PM

Thank god they didn't get no hit! :rolleyes It would have been the best thing that happened to the team this season...

malarks26

07-29-2008, 10:35 PM

It would have been the best thing that happened to the team this season...

That's my kind of thinking! :lol

thebestauntie

07-29-2008, 10:43 PM

It would have been the best thing that happened to the team this season...
How so?

ProudestAnt

07-29-2008, 10:45 PM

How so? It would have woken them up...

thebestauntie

07-29-2008, 10:52 PM

It would have woken them up...
So do you think they will trade Manny?

ProudestAnt

07-29-2008, 10:53 PM

So do you think they will trade Manny? God I hope so, and I hope they make whoever takes him take Tek too...

thebestauntie

07-29-2008, 10:58 PM

God I hope so, and I hope they make whoever takes him take Tek too...
It would be nice to not have his antics anymore, and I've been one of his biggest supporters over the years. I'm tired of him now. He's got to go. My fear is that no one else wants to deal with his antics and his money. :shrug

ProudestAnt

07-29-2008, 10:59 PM

It would be nice to not have his antics anymore, and I've been one of his biggest supporters over the years. I'm tired of him now. He's got to go. My fear is that no one else wants to deal with his antics and his money. :shrug They won't move him, but I can dream...

thebestauntie

07-29-2008, 11:12 PM

They won't move him, but I can dream...
That's what I thought.

dowling25

07-29-2008, 11:26 PM

He is so selfish....but he did bring 2 world championships to Boston. Thank you for that Manny

SoRight24

07-30-2008, 11:05 AM

Hopefully Beckett will bring the same stuff he brought his last start.

Granted we still lost the damn game, but he only gave up 1 run.

thebestauntie

07-30-2008, 11:07 AM

Hopefully Beckett will bring the same stuff he brought his last start.

Granted we still lost the damn game, but he only gave up 1 run.
Hopefully the bats will come alive and the offense will score some runs. :BANG:BANG

jmudmbphan

07-30-2008, 11:46 AM

safe to say you guys aren't winning any world series this year. yankees either. this is the angels year.

ProudestAnt

07-30-2008, 06:58 PM

Maybe my wish will come true. These talks are apparently picking up A LOT of steam:

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/8391628

ProudestAnt

07-30-2008, 07:00 PM

And it's Hermida, not Willingham, which makes things that much better...

crashintome202

07-30-2008, 07:12 PM

.765 ops bat for manny? you can do better than that

smeritt

07-30-2008, 07:27 PM

As long as you don't get Hanley Ramirez back I don't give a fuck who Florida gives them

jmudmbphan

07-30-2008, 07:30 PM

how close is this deal to getting done?

thebestauntie

07-30-2008, 09:32 PM

how close is this deal to getting done?
I don't know. I'm waiting for Theo to call me back. ;)

devilandthelord

07-30-2008, 09:33 PM

I don't know. I'm waiting for Theo to call me back. ;)

:lol, you're funny.

thebestauntie

07-30-2008, 09:35 PM

:lol, you're funny.
I try. :)

malarks26

07-30-2008, 09:39 PM

As long as you don't get Hanley Ramirez back I don't give a fuck who Florida gives them

There's no way the Marlins get rid of Hanley Ramirez.

SoRight24

07-30-2008, 09:48 PM

There's no way the Marlins get rid of Hanley Ramirez.

I said that once about the Red Sox and Hanley, too. :rolleyes

But your probably right, not likely they get rid of him.

malarks26

07-30-2008, 09:53 PM

I said that once about the Red Sox and Hanley, too. :rolleyes

But your probably right, not likely they get rid of him.

I'd almost bet my house on it, but I'm not 100%.

Personally, I don't think anything is ever 100% when it comes to sports. ;)

SoRight24

07-30-2008, 09:55 PM

I'd almost bet my house on it, but I'm not 100%.

Personally, I don't think anything is ever 100% when it comes to sports. ;)

I would be doing backflips down the street if that were to happen. :lol

thebestauntie

07-30-2008, 10:00 PM

I would be doing backflips down the street if that were to happen. :lol
You and the rest of Red Sox Nation!

Whiteyxc514

07-30-2008, 11:13 PM

It's a shame that the Sox seem content this year with mediocrity. Teams around them continue to get better, while they are satisfied with being swept at home! :BANG

DavefaninNZ

07-30-2008, 11:31 PM

Done deal? From Rotoworld:

Will Carroll of Baseball Prospectus says the Red Sox, Pirates and Marlins have agreed to a three-team Manny Ramirez deal, pending Ramirez waiving his no-trade clause and league approval.
Carroll, not normally one of our preferred sources, has the Red Sox getting Jason Bay and John Grabow; the Marlins acquiring Ramirez, cash and a prospect from the Red Sox and the Pirates picking up Jeremy Hermida, two prospects from the Marlins and one from Boston. Jul. 30 - 9:52 pm et

specialkd24

07-30-2008, 11:32 PM

This did it for me: "The Red Sox don't deserve a player like me," Ramirez said. "During my years here, I've seen how they [the Red Sox] have mistreated other great players when they didn't want them to try to turn the fans against them."

Let him go. We aren't going to pick up the option next year anyway, and we probably aren't going to win the title this year, so why not get something out of it and build for next year?

I'd love to have a 29-year old Jason Bay in exchange for Manny. Then take that $20 million Manny would have made and go out and sign C.C. Sabaitha, to bolster the rotation, which sucks right now.

dmbmuskie

07-30-2008, 11:55 PM

I said this in the other thread too, but there is no way Theo makes this deal. Something just doesn't add up.

jmudmbphan

07-31-2008, 12:24 AM

god.......you guys are awful.

specialkd24

07-31-2008, 12:29 AM

god.......you guys are awful.

Why don't you stick it? Save me your 26 championships ... how many do the Sox have since your last one? Exactly.

Save your smack talk for when your overpaid, underachieving team actually does something.

Crush086

07-31-2008, 12:42 AM

god.......you guys are awful.
Let's not go overboard.

We may be the Angels' next victims.

dowling25

07-31-2008, 12:43 AM

Jason Bay for Manny...hmmm...doesn't add up right now and if we get rid of Lowrie or someone for this trade this will be awful!

jmudmbphan

07-31-2008, 12:45 AM

Why don't you stick it? Save me your 26 championships ... how many do the Sox have since your last one? Exactly.

Save your smack talk for when your overpaid, underachieving team actually does something.

haha.. you guys are over paid and underachieving too.

oh well, ive still seen twice as many championships in my lifetime as you :D

edit: you guys really suck bad.

jmudmbphan

07-31-2008, 12:45 AM

Let's not go overboard.

We may be the Angels' next victims.

i hope not..ill be there to see it.

DmBand801

07-31-2008, 01:26 AM

trade is done, pending selig's approval:

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/unfiltered/?p=967

scrock25

07-31-2008, 09:30 AM

Jason Bay for Manny...hmmm...doesn't add up right now and if we get rid of Lowrie or someone for this trade this will be awful!

Look at the stats, they're identical. Adds up nicely if you ask me. Somebody to replace Manny, and no more Manny!!!!! Win win!!!!!!!!!!!

hbktonyb

07-31-2008, 10:02 AM

Manny is one of the scariest hitters in the game in any situation. The Red Sox, by 4:00 today, will be a worse ballclub than they are right now. Thats a fact.

scrock25

07-31-2008, 10:21 AM

Manny is one of the scariest hitters in the game in any situation. The Red Sox, by 4:00 today, will be a worse ballclub than they are right now. Thats a fact.

I don't disagree with that. I'm just saying that their stats this year are comparable. The Sox aren't getting some scrub.

malarks26

07-31-2008, 10:25 AM

I don't disagree with that. I'm just saying that their stats this year are comparable. The Sox aren't getting some scrub.

:thumbsup:thumbsup

hbktonyb

07-31-2008, 10:26 AM

I don't disagree with that. I'm just saying that their stats this year are comparable. The Sox aren't getting some scrub.

Very true :thumbsup

LaDude

07-31-2008, 10:29 AM

I don't disagree with that. I'm just saying that their stats this year are comparable. The Sox aren't getting some scrub.

Plus - Do you really think if Manny stays he is going have the same productivity? The guy has checked out. He doesn't want to be here anymore. I'd rather have Bay at this point who has the desire to play than Manny who is not going to give 100%.

malarks26

07-31-2008, 10:31 AM

Plus - Do you really think if Manny stays he is going have the same productivity? The guy has checked out. He doesn't want to be here anymore. I'd rather have Bay at this point who has the desire to play than Manny who is not going to give 100%.

Tell your arrogant GM that! I think everyone in Boston is thinking the same way, except him.

jmudmbphan

07-31-2008, 12:01 PM

either way, sox arent making the playoffs

ProudestAnt

07-31-2008, 03:20 PM

Manny's staying. Motherless fuck...

SoRight24

07-31-2008, 03:22 PM

Now he's going to be a cancer for the rest of the season.

ProudestAnt

07-31-2008, 03:23 PM

At least it's a team option at the end of the season. CC will look good in a Boston uniform next season...

Crush086

07-31-2008, 03:24 PM

Now he's going to be a cancer for the rest of the season.
Good to hear.

But he's going to opt out at the end of the year, right? Or is it a team option?

I don't think he can rebuild those bridges now...

SoRight24

07-31-2008, 03:25 PM

At least it's a team option at the end of the season. CC will look good in a Boston uniform next season...

Agreed.

I'd love to sign Sheets, but his health problems would make him too risky.

SoRight24

07-31-2008, 03:25 PM

Good to hear.

But he's going to opt out at the end of the year, right? Or is it a team option?

I don't think he can rebuild those bridges now...

A team option, but no way in hell we bring him back.

Crush086

07-31-2008, 03:27 PM

A team option, but no way in hell we bring him back.
Thank God. I'm tired of him crapping all over the Yankees.

Hopefully he'll sign with an NL team, so we won't have to worry about him anymore.

ProudestAnt

07-31-2008, 03:27 PM

Agreed.

I'd love to sign Sheets, but his health problems would make him too risky. Fuck it, sign them both. We're saving 20 mil next season just by not signing him back, no way the two of them will demand much over that combined...

SoRight24

07-31-2008, 03:31 PM

Fuck it, sign them both. We're saving 20 mil next season just by not signing him back, no way the two of them will demand much over that combined...

That would make our rotation sick.

When Sheets is on, there aren't too many pitchers better.

ProudestAnt

07-31-2008, 03:32 PM

It's not realistic since we have Buccholz and Masterson, but we can at least go out and make a run at the top tier free agents and have our pick...

SoRight24

07-31-2008, 03:33 PM

It's not realistic since we have Buccholz and Masterson, but we can at least go out and make a run at the top tier free agents and have our pick...

Mike Hampton will be available. :lol

ProudestAnt

07-31-2008, 03:35 PM

Mike Hampton will be available. :lol I said top tier...;)

Trippin4136

07-31-2008, 03:56 PM

Fuck it, sign them both. We're saving 20 mil next season just by not signing him back, no way the two of them will demand much over that combined...

What?? CC and Sheets combined will absolutely earn $20M+ combined next year.

ProudestAnt

07-31-2008, 04:03 PM

What?? CC and Sheets combined will absolutely earn $20M+ combined next year. I said much over. I can see both feasibly making 10-15 mil a year...

Crush086

07-31-2008, 04:04 PM

I said much over. I can see both feasibly making 10-15 mil a year...
30 mil isn't your idea of "much over"?

ProudestAnt

07-31-2008, 04:05 PM

30 mil isn't your idea of "much over"? Sheets won't make 15 mil a year. He'll maybe demand 12 because of his injury history...

Trippin4136

07-31-2008, 04:09 PM

Difference between what he'll ask for and what he'll get.

I could see someone giving him 5 years/$75M easily.

LaDude

07-31-2008, 05:22 PM

The Globe's Gordon Edes just reported that a deal has gone down with Manny Ramirez. More details to come.

Rockhound18

07-31-2008, 05:26 PM

Not seeing this anywhere... links?

Bartndrpleez

07-31-2008, 05:27 PM

All of a sudden, ESPN.com goes dark...they had a live blog going ALL DAY and their last entry was at 3:55! WTF! As far as I know, the Manny to the Marlins deal fell through, with Jason Bay heading to the Rays (which kicks ASS). I guess we'll find out soon enough...

LaDude

07-31-2008, 05:27 PM

Not seeing this anywhere... links?

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/extra_bases/

MistreatedLewis

07-31-2008, 05:27 PM

Manny to LA - shit... wow...

dmbgodagirl41

07-31-2008, 05:27 PM

yeah, manny deal is off. Looks like he's staying in Boston.

edit:
Manny Ramirez Will Remain with the Boston Red Sox
Breaking News:
The Major League Baseball trade deadline has come and gone and after much speculation it appears that Manny Ramirez will remain with the Boston Red Sox. As of 4pm EST the Red Sox have not yet announced a trade. If trade news should break we will be sure to alert you immediately.

-- SawxHeads.com Staff

Rockhound18

07-31-2008, 05:28 PM

LA WHO? Dodgers?

LaDude

07-31-2008, 05:28 PM

The Globe's Gordon Edes just reported that a deal has gone down with Manny Ramirez.

The Globe's Nick Cafardo thinks the Red Sox may have landed Jason Bay ...

More details to come.

MistreatedLewis

07-31-2008, 05:28 PM

yeah, manny deal is off. Looks like he's staying in Boston.

I'm hearing he got dealt to LAD...

malarks26

07-31-2008, 05:28 PM

The Globe's Gordon Edes just reported that a deal has gone down with Manny Ramirez. More details to come.

Not seeing this anywhere... links?

I'd be interested in seeing a link as well bc I havent heard or seen anything close to saying Manny is going anywhere.

Last I heard, the Pirates were blaming the Marlins and the Marlins were blaming the Pirates for the 3 team deal not going down.

MistreatedLewis

07-31-2008, 05:28 PM

LA WHO? Dodgers?

word on the street

DmBand801

07-31-2008, 05:29 PM

Jon Heyman reports Manny to the Dodgers.

MistreatedLewis

07-31-2008, 05:29 PM

I'd be interested in seeing a link as well bc I havent heard or seen anything close to saying Manny is going anywhere.

Last I heard, the Pirates were blaming the Marlins and the Marlins were blaming the Pirates for the 3 team deal not going down.

www.wfan.com

MistreatedLewis

07-31-2008, 05:30 PM

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/baseball/mlb/07/31/manny.sweepstakes/index.html?eref=T1

hearing may be a 3 way involving Bay

LaDude

07-31-2008, 05:30 PM

SI.com is reporting that Manny has been dealt to the Dodgers.

It apparently was a three-team deal between the Red Sox, Pirates, and Dodgers. More details to come.

malarks26

07-31-2008, 05:32 PM

I'll believe it when I see a bit more detail than what's being reported.

DmBand801

07-31-2008, 05:32 PM

Manny to LA
Bay to Boston

MistreatedLewis

07-31-2008, 05:33 PM

Ken Rosenthal has it now too.

Rockhound18

07-31-2008, 05:33 PM

Wow.

LaDude

07-31-2008, 05:34 PM

Anyone know the minor leaguers involved in this trade yet???

justinandimcool

07-31-2008, 05:34 PM

Holy fuck. I'm really not happy about this at all. Depends on who the Dodgers give up though. If it's Kemp or Loney I'll be pissed.

justinandimcool

07-31-2008, 05:37 PM

Looks like four minor leaguers. Waiting for a more official report.

I guess I'll welcome him, I wonder who the minor leaguers are though.

DavefaninNZ

07-31-2008, 05:42 PM

ESPN.com has it too. They're usually the last to report these things.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3513383

SmoothD41

07-31-2008, 05:43 PM

yep, Manny's going to be playing for Joe Torre.

justinandimcool

07-31-2008, 05:47 PM

The Dodgers didn't lose that much as far as I'm concerned, but my overall thoughts- :shrug

I'll welcome a Manny that shows up every game with a good attitude, but I have a feeling L.A. won't be getting that.

Crush086

07-31-2008, 05:49 PM

LaDude

07-31-2008, 05:51 PM

So I guess we can consider Andruw Jones a bust?

Holy crap. Off to the NL... that made my day.

The Pirates get the following players, if nobody knows yet:

Andy LaRoche - LAD
RHP Bryan Morris - LAD
OF Brandon Moss - BOS
RP Craig Hansen - BOS

Moss and Hansen. Okay. Not bad. I'm going to miss Moss but Hansen was never going to amount to anything.

I like the trade a lot! :)

DavefaninNZ

07-31-2008, 05:55 PM

Moss and Hansen. Okay. Not bad. I'm going to miss Moss but Hansen was never going to amount to anything.

I like the trade a lot! :)

Jason Bay for Manny, Moss and Hansen? That's way too much. I would've like to see the sox get something else out of that. :shrug

Edit: And paying his salary for the rest of the year. What are they thinking?

hbktonyb

07-31-2008, 05:57 PM

Good day to be a Yankee fan. Oritz is not nearly as scary without Manny.

Heyman is on the fan now talking about how the Dodgers got the steal of the century.

berman1125

07-31-2008, 06:02 PM

wow, you guys are idiots... Terrible move by Boston. And I don't want to hear one red sox fan that is happy about this

bradshaw06

07-31-2008, 06:05 PM

bay is gonna be awesome for you guys with someone to hit behind him

ProudestAnt

07-31-2008, 06:11 PM

wow, you guys are idiots... Terrible move by Boston. And I don't want to hear one red sox fan that is happy about this You're an idiot, and I'm fucking stoked about this trade...

JaJunk

07-31-2008, 06:13 PM

Still think this is a bad, bad move for the Sox. Sorry.

SoRight24

07-31-2008, 06:13 PM

wow, you guys are idiots... Terrible move by Boston. And I don't want to hear one red sox fan that is happy about this

He's a cancer.

I'm happy because I'm tired of his bullshit. No matter how good you are, it doesn't account for his shitty attitude.

Have fun in Hollywood Manny, thanks for the 2 rings.

ProudestAnt

07-31-2008, 06:15 PM

Still think this is a bad, bad move for the Sox. Sorry. We'll see next year when Manny is gettin 20 mil for putting up sub-par numbers in a lineup with no protection and Bay is making a pittance and putting up All-Star numbers...

SoRight24

07-31-2008, 06:18 PM

I'm not sure you guys realize how good Jason Bay is.

It's not like he's some scrub.

dmbgodagirl41

07-31-2008, 06:19 PM

While this kind of sucks because Manny was pretty damn clutch (hate to say it, he is), he's such a self-indulged asshole.

Still, pretty stupid move by the sox. Hope this ex-pirate boy can work it.....he is pretty good.

ProudestAnt

07-31-2008, 06:20 PM

Can someone please explain to me how this is stupid for the Red Sox? Please...

dmbgodagirl41

07-31-2008, 06:21 PM

Can someone please explain to me how this is stupid for the Red Sox? Please...

Maybe stupid wasn't the right word, I'm just wary. Mainly because it's the sox and I'm just waiting for the day when we totally suck ass for 86 years. :lol

neumdogg

07-31-2008, 06:25 PM

I want to personally thank the Red Sox.

We might actually win the crappy division we're in!

ProudestAnt

07-31-2008, 06:26 PM

Look, Bay is relatively identical to Manny in terms of numbers this year, and PNC Park is a pitcher's park. It's second to last in runs scored this season, and has one of the lowest HRs per game in the league. Bay is coming from a park that hates batters to a park that righty hitters LOVE playing in. He's a HR threat, a SB threat, an OB threat, and he's 27 for christ's sake. And he makes next to nothing next season, while Manny would have cost us $20 million. This means we can take that money we were going to spend on Manny or a suitable replacement for him and go after a guy like CC, or Sheets, or any other big name on the market we want to...

thom hudson

07-31-2008, 06:27 PM

Can someone please explain to me how this is stupid for the Red Sox? Please...
Not necessarily stupid, but there's a huge hole to fill in that lineup now. Jason Bay is no scrub, by any means, but he isn't Manny Ramirez, that's all I think people are trying to say.
Presently, this could hurt a bit. Long run, the Sox got the better deal.

bradshaw06

07-31-2008, 06:28 PM

I'm not sure you guys realize how good Jason Bay is.

It's not like he's some scrub.
:thumbsuplike others have said, with some real players batting around him, he'll great.

clayj41

07-31-2008, 06:29 PM

Good trade for the Sox and Dodgers. Bay's potential is limitless and L.A. becomes a real threat in the NL.

ProudestAnt

07-31-2008, 06:33 PM

Not necessarily stupid, but there's a huge hole to fill in that lineup now. Jason Bay is no scrub, by any means, but he isn't Manny Ramirez, that's all I think people are trying to say.
Presently, this could hurt a bit. Long run, the Sox got the better deal. Their numbers are nearly identical this season. Why do people really feel that the Sox are losing that much?

malarks26

07-31-2008, 06:35 PM

Good trade for the Sox and Dodgers. Bay's potential is limitless and L.A. becomes a real threat in the NL.

:thumbsup

SmoothD41

07-31-2008, 06:36 PM

Their numbers are nearly identical this season. Why do people really feel that the Sox are losing that much?

I don't like the Red Sox really, but I think people feel a bit hesitant about this trade because Manny is so clutch, possibly the most clutch hitter of our generation. Playing in Pittsburgh, Jason Bay has no idea what a clutch situation is.

ProudestAnt

07-31-2008, 06:37 PM

I don't like the Red Sox really, but I think people feel a bit hesitant about this trade because Manny is so clutch, possibly the most clutch hitter of our generation. Playing in Pittsburgh, Jason Bay has no idea what a clutch situation is. There's no such thing as clutch...

MistreatedLewis

07-31-2008, 06:38 PM

Their numbers are nearly identical this season. Why do people really feel that the Sox are losing that much?

Manny w RISP OPS 968
Bay w/ RISP OPS .651

Doesn't scare you at all?

MistreatedLewis

07-31-2008, 06:39 PM

There's no such thing as clutch...

As I just posted, there's such a thing as batting with RISP

SmoothD41

07-31-2008, 06:39 PM

Manny w RISP OPS 968
Bay w/ RISP OPS .651

Doesn't scare you at all?

:thumbsup, that's what i'm talking about.

dmbgodagirl41

07-31-2008, 06:41 PM

:lol :lol :lol :lol

My mom just left me a voicemail:

"AL East is so screwed. That is all. Love you!

Oh, and since my birthday is coming up, I'd like an Ellsbury jersey, k thanks bye!"

ProudestAnt

07-31-2008, 06:41 PM

Manny w RISP OPS 968
Bay w/ RISP OPS .651

Doesn't scare you at all? No, it doesn't...

MistreatedLewis

07-31-2008, 06:42 PM

No, it doesn't...

Is that because you expect those numbers to even out?

ProudestAnt

07-31-2008, 06:45 PM

Is that because you expect those numbers to even out? I expect things like the lineup they're batting in, the club house they hang out in and the park they're playing in to play a huge factor in how a player performs. Bay has never come from a contender and yet is continually among one of the best OFs in the league. He's young, cheap, and plays hard. In my mind, he's a huge step up from Manny...

MistreatedLewis

07-31-2008, 06:46 PM

I expect things like the lineup they're batting in, the club house they hang out in and the park they're playing in to play a huge factor in how a player performs. Bay has never come from a contender and yet is continually among one of the best OFs in the league. He's young, cheap, and plays hard. In my mind, he's a huge step up from Manny...

What about media pressure in Boston in a playoff race?

I see your points, but I don't know - there are a lot of happy Yankees fans today, and I tend to agree with them, even though I'd rather see Boston win.

ProudestAnt

07-31-2008, 06:48 PM

What about media pressure in Boston in a playoff race?

I see your points, but I don't know - there are a lot of happy Yankees fans today, and I tend to agree with them, even though I'd rather see Boston win. Well anytime a guy who hit's .449 against your team in his career leaves your biggest rival, you're going to be happy. People are speaking as if the Sox traded Manny in the prime of his career for a scrub that has no upside...

Crush086

07-31-2008, 06:49 PM

Bay's going to do good in Boston, unless for some reason or other he can't handle the pressure of playing with a good team/constant contender.

I don't think he'll have that problem. Seems you just lost a bit of clutch, if nothing else.

LaDude

07-31-2008, 06:49 PM

The Manny that would have been playing in Boston for the rest of the season would not be the same Manny that is going to be playing in LA. We had to make this trade no matter what. Did we give up a lot, yes. Do I care that we are still paying the rest of Mannys salary, hell no, it's not coming out of my wallet. We moved Hansen and Moss. Hansen has had multiple chances to prove himself and never has. Moss will be missed only if we lose an outfielder sometime during the rest of the season. I expect Manny to play well in LA. But don't say look the Sox shouldn't have traded him because he wouldn't have played that way in Boston. I'll take Bay and his desire to play in Boston!!!

MistreatedLewis

07-31-2008, 06:51 PM

Well anytime a guy who hit's .449 against your team in his career leaves your biggest rival, you're going to be happy. People are speaking as if the Sox traded Manny in the prime of his career for a scrub that has no upside...

Some people are and they are wrong.

In the long run it's a fine move, I just worry that this year the Sox may take a hit.

I mean, as a Met fan, if for the same price I could stick either 2008 Bay or Manny in my outfield for the rest of the year in a tough division (well, tough in terms of teams in contention), I'd go with Manny in an instant.

ProudestAnt

07-31-2008, 06:54 PM

Some people are and they are wrong.

In the long run it's a fine move, I just worry that this year the Sox may take a hit.

I mean, as a Met fan, if for the same price I could stick either 2008 Bay or Manny in my outfield for the rest of the year in a tough division (well, tough in terms of teams in contention), I'd go with Manny in an instant. Like LaDude said though, we weren't getting the same Manny. He had shut down, and was going to stay shut down. We're getting a great OF who WANTS to play, I'll take it...

MistreatedLewis

07-31-2008, 06:55 PM

Like LaDude said though, we weren't getting the same Manny. He had shut down, and was going to stay shut down. We're getting a great OF who WANTS to play, I'll take it...

Fair enough.

smeritt

07-31-2008, 07:08 PM

What are thoughts about losing Craig Hansen, feel like the kid had alot of potential. I know he never produced for the Sox, but he had a live arm and could have been good.

jmudmbphan

07-31-2008, 07:09 PM

you lost a yankee killer..thats for sure...i think your playoff chances are done now for sure.

LaDude

07-31-2008, 07:12 PM

What are thoughts about losing Craig Hansen, feel like the kid had alot of potential. I know he never produced for the Sox, but he had a live arm and could have been good.

He was supposed to be our closer of the future (before Papelbon came along). It never worked out. The kid can fire the ball but needs to work on his control.

LaDude

07-31-2008, 07:18 PM

you lost a yankee killer..thats for sure...i think your playoff chances are done now for sure.

Yes we lost a Yankee killer if you are talking 2004 and 2007. But we are talking 2008 and this improves our playoff chances. Manny dogging it for the next 2 months wouldn't have helped us make the playoffs.

One thing I am pissed about is that we needed some bullpen help, and because of Manny we spent all our time working on a trade to get him out of town and never got to address the bullpen. We need Okajima to return to last years form....don't see it happening though.

SoRight24

07-31-2008, 07:21 PM

you lost a yankee killer..thats for sure...i think your playoff chances are done now for sure.

It doesn't help if he's sitting out when we play the Yankees.

Which is what he would have been doing had we kept him.

dmbgodagirl41

07-31-2008, 07:24 PM

Random thing in the sea of craziness here:

Just bought my mom a b-day present: #25 Conigliaro jersey. She's gonna flip out.

Edit: My dad suggested buying her a Jeter tee shirt as a joke and hid the Conigliaro one under it.

LaDude

07-31-2008, 07:25 PM

It doesn't help if he's sitting out when we play the Yankees.

Which is what he would have been doing had we kept him.

Yeah! Good point! The ass clown has been sitting out every time he had to face a hard throwing pitcher!!! King Felix, Joba...etc.

dmbgodagirl41

07-31-2008, 07:26 PM

you lost a yankee killer..thats for sure...i think your playoff chances are done now for sure.

I don't give a shit if the Sox never make it to the post season ever again. Why? Because I know any time a team is down 0-3 in the NLCS or ALCS series, footage of the Yankees fucking themselves with their own bats will be shown for the rest of time.

So, the Sox not making it to the playoffs once in a while; I can deal with that. Because I know I'll be cheered up many times over with the above mentioned situation.

jmudmbphan

07-31-2008, 07:28 PM

not hard to please when you've had to live with shit your whole life, huh?

dmbgodagirl41

07-31-2008, 07:30 PM

not hard to please when you've had to live with shit your whole life, huh?

Exactly.:lol And I have no problem admitting that!

WappySprayberry

07-31-2008, 07:30 PM

<-Red Sox fan.

ELATED.

Fuck Manny. Hello Jason Bay, left fielder of the future!!

jmudmbphan

07-31-2008, 07:44 PM

bay has averaged almost a K per game his entire career...and he's facing AL east pitching now.....I expect the K's to go up and the other numbers to go down.

jmudmbphan

07-31-2008, 07:44 PM

Exactly.:lol And I have no problem admitting that!

but teh pasttzz!!1!!

LaDude

07-31-2008, 07:44 PM

So is Schilling gonna give up #38 to Bay?

jmudmbphan

07-31-2008, 07:46 PM

probably not hes another asshole you guys have.

LaDude

07-31-2008, 07:47 PM

probably not hes another asshole you guys have.

I can't disagree with that.

berman1125

07-31-2008, 07:58 PM

i love watching people try and make this seem like a positive for boston

Trippin4136

07-31-2008, 07:59 PM

Boston certainly gave up nothing to Pittsburgh. Sure, they lost Manny and have the undue pleasure of paying the rest of his deal, but Hansen and Moss? No loss there.

LaDude

07-31-2008, 08:07 PM

i love watching people try and make this seem like a positive for boston

I remember the day we got Manny in 2001. It was my senior year of college and I was at the campus bar. It was awesome. I went to Lansdowne St that week and got myself an official #24 home jersey. It's in my closet as we speak....but it has a lot of beer stains on it so I don't break it out as much anymore....but that is besides the point.

Am I sad Manny couldn't finish his career in Boston - Yes.

Was / Is he a great player - Yes.

Was he going to play for the Sox next season - No.

Was he going to help or hurt the Sox for the remainder of this season - Hurt

PLEASE tell me how he was going to help us the rest of the season. The guy had checked out. Didn't want to be here. Wasn't going to produce.

Lcsulla

07-31-2008, 08:29 PM

SoRight24

07-31-2008, 09:54 PM

i love watching people try and make this seem like a positive for boston

I love people who think they know what they are talking about, but really don't.

Jesus, have you not payed any attention over the past month or so? Manny QUIT trying, he was done as far as the Red Sox are concerned.

Time for him to pack up and move on, we had no choice.

specialkd24

07-31-2008, 10:03 PM

The best part of the day was actually getting Pittsburgh to take Hansen too! I hated him.

Again I love the NY fans who are farther out of the top than Boston and who haven't done squat in the postseason in 8 years, try to talk smack. Take your 26 titles and stick them. We have 2 since you last one any, and you have the highest payroll ever year. You think you'd spend that money more wisely.

specialkd24

07-31-2008, 10:09 PM

MistreatedLewis

07-31-2008, 10:12 PM

Bay's #'s are in a lineup that is pathetic in Pittsburgh. He has nobody else around him. He sees no good pitching.

Now he is going to be batting in a lineup full of offensive stars, I think he is going to see more pitches and put up some good #'s.

He was protected by Nady and McLouth all season - that's not a bad combo.

Look at bay's numbers last year...

DavefaninNZ

07-31-2008, 10:39 PM

Here's the thing from an objective standpoint, the trade is not that big of a deal. Doesn't make Boston any better and doesn't make them much worse. It will be interesting to see Bay's transition to Boston after being in Pittsburgh, will he handle the pressure to hit like Manny? How steep is the learning curve to play that wall? All things considered though you really gave up two extra guys and a bucket of cash to get rid of Manny and that sort of smacks of desperation. If Bay hits you don't lose much from an offensive standpoint but it does not change one thing. Boston REALLY needed a bullpen arm at the deadline and instead they packaged one up to dump a complainer. Not that Hansen was pitching to his projections but that pen can sorely afford to get rid of an arm, even one who only pitches in a mop up role. To sum it up, before the deadline you really wanted a reliever but didn't get one.

I certainly agree with this. I would've liked to see the sox get a BP arm in this deal, or a seperate one, because that is what they needed most.

As for Bay, I think the jury is still out. He will definitely be helped by being in the Boston lineup, but will he be able to play in Boston? How will he adjust going from the NL to the AL? Lugo couldn't, Renteria couldn't, Drew struggled in his first year, and they were considered good-great players before coming to Boston.

It'll be interesting to see how the clubhouse chemistry responds the rest of the way, and what that will do to their winning ways. Getting Manny out of town almost certainly improves it.

yankees26mlb

07-31-2008, 11:56 PM

why isnt manny in the dodgers lineup tonight? anyone know

voiceofreason

08-01-2008, 12:05 AM

why isnt manny in the dodgers lineup tonight? anyone know

Because the teleporter hasn't been invented yet.

bradshaw06

08-01-2008, 12:06 AM

thebestauntie

08-01-2008, 12:09 AM

Because the teleporter hasn't been invented yet.
Thank you! :thumbsup

crashintome202

08-01-2008, 12:20 AM

Bay's #'s are in a lineup that is pathetic in Pittsburgh. He has nobody else around him. He sees no good pitching.

Now he is going to be batting in a lineup full of offensive stars, I think he is going to see more pitches and put up some good #'s.
you're right. he sees alot of crappy pitchers between the reds, astros, the entire NL east and most of the west. the pitching heavier league won't effect him at all...
and that lineup has/d many good hitters in it.

yankees26mlb

08-01-2008, 12:23 AM

Because the teleporter hasn't been invented yet.

airplane?

thebestauntie

08-01-2008, 12:35 AM

airplane?
It takes at least 6 hours to fly from Boston to LA, that would put him in LAX at the earliest 8:00pm if he was able to catch a flight at 5:00pm. Not possible to be there in time to play the game. Hence, the teleporter would have been needed.

edit: and even if the Dogers were playing on the road on the East coast, time would still be a factor.

LaDude

08-01-2008, 08:39 AM

It takes at least 6 hours to fly from Boston to LA, that would put him in LAX at the earliest 8:00pm if he was able to catch a flight at 5:00pm. Not possible to be there in time to play the game. Hence, the teleporter would have been needed.

edit: and even if the Dogers were playing on the road on the East coast, time would still be a factor.

Yeah - plus it just came out in the news that Manny was napping when the trade went down. Someone had to wake him up to tell him he was traded. Looks like he was really in a hurry to get out of town. :freak

voiceofreason

08-01-2008, 01:55 PM

It takes at least 6 hours to fly from Boston to LA, that would put him in LAX at the earliest 8:00pm if he was able to catch a flight at 5:00pm. Not possible to be there in time to play the game. Hence, the teleporter would have been needed.

edit: and even if the Dogers were playing on the road on the East coast, time would still be a factor.

I assume physicals had to be taken as well. Players rarely play the same day when traded in any sport, especially when it wasn't expected for him to go to LA.

thebestauntie

08-01-2008, 02:33 PM

I assume physicals had to be taken as well. Players rarely play the same day when traded in any sport, especially when it wasn't expected for him to go to LA.
So not only would Manny have needed a teleporter, he would also have needed a time machine as well. :lol

Fatts

08-01-2008, 02:39 PM

here are some pretty nice numbers, taken from the boston globe:

"Bay is hitting .421 lifetime (8-19) against Andy Pettitte, .429 (3-7) against Mike Mussina and .500 (1-2) against Joba Chamberlain."

jmudmbphan

08-01-2008, 02:40 PM

Bay's #'s are in a lineup that is pathetic in Pittsburgh. He has nobody else around him. He sees no good pitching.

Now he is going to be batting in a lineup full of offensive stars, I think he is going to see more pitches and put up some good #'s.

and now that he sees the good pitching of the AL (east)......hes gonna do better? :confused

he was surrounded by a couple of good hitters in pittsburg....one of whom was hitting better than anyone on boston...

MistreatedLewis

08-01-2008, 02:43 PM

Even if you think Bay for Manny is a wash, you HAVE to be concerned by the fact that the Yankees very obviously improved themselves at the deadline. Granted, I'm a huge Nady fan, but that's a handy bat. And I-Rod still hits for average which is more than they've been getting out of their catcher for awhile now. That with the fact that Cano is obviously a second half hitter...

jmudmbphan

08-01-2008, 02:47 PM

here are some pretty nice numbers, taken from the boston globe:

"Bay is hitting .421 lifetime (8-19) against Andy Pettitte, .429 (3-7) against Mike Mussina and .500 (1-2) against Joba Chamberlain."

he has a sample size of less than 7 in two of those instances...and none more than 19..

:lol

Fatts

08-01-2008, 02:48 PM

he has a sample size of less than 7 in two of those instances...and none more than 19..

:lol

haha, i know im doing my best to be optimistic right now

jmudmbphan

08-01-2008, 02:49 PM

understandable. carry on.

crashintome202

08-01-2008, 02:50 PM

LaDude

08-01-2008, 02:54 PM

Red Sox pitcher Curt Schilling will reportedly offer #38 to Bay for a price to be donated to Schilling's foundation for ALS.

MistreatedLewis

08-01-2008, 02:59 PM

Red Sox pitcher Curt Schilling will reportedly offer #38 to Bay for a price to be donated to Schilling's foundation for ALS.

:thumbsup that's awesome.

thom hudson

08-01-2008, 03:05 PM

thebestauntie

08-01-2008, 03:11 PM

time to trade joba i guess.
That would be nice! :)

SoRight24

08-01-2008, 04:55 PM

Red Sox pitcher Curt Schilling will reportedly offer #38 to Bay for a price to be donated to Schilling's foundation for ALS.

Good for Curt, an honorable thing to do. :thumbsup

SoRight24

08-01-2008, 04:56 PM

oh man, we're fucked.

:rolleyes

Yes, you are. ;)

crashintome202

08-01-2008, 04:58 PM

Good for Curt, an honorable thing to do. :thumbsup
its the only thing curts ever done that i like

SoRight24

08-01-2008, 04:59 PM

its the only thing curts ever done that i like

I know.

Even I was surprised. :lol

thebestauntie

08-01-2008, 05:09 PM

Speaking of numbers, will the Sox finally leave "24" alone, and let it retire like it deserves to?

jaking1185

08-01-2008, 05:16 PM

Speaking of numbers, will the Sox finally leave "24" alone, and let it retire like it deserves to?

Do you mean for Dwight Evans?

thebestauntie

08-01-2008, 05:45 PM

Do you mean for Dwight Evans?
Yes.

jaking1185

08-01-2008, 05:49 PM

Yes.

I'm one of the few people around here old enough to remember how good he was. I'd agree with that retirement.

thebestauntie

08-01-2008, 05:51 PM

I'm one of the few people around here old enough to remember how good he was. I'd agree with that retirement.
Yes I know, I remember. :)

My brother seems to think it won't happen. It always bothered me just a little bit to see that number on someone else. Even if it was someone as good as Manny. But Manny still couldn't touch some of the stuff that Dewey did as far as leadership and certainly in the field. He's one of my all time favs. And no one, not even Giambi, can wear a stache like Dewey did. :lol

jaking1185

08-01-2008, 05:57 PM

Yes I know, I remember. :)

My brother seems to think it won't happen. It always bothered me just a little bit to see that number on someone else. Even if it was someone as good as Manny. But Manny still couldn't touch some of the stuff that Dewey did as far as leadership and certainly in the field. He's one of my all time favs. And no one, not even Giambi, can wear a stache like Dewey did. :lol

That was an awesome 70's porn star 'stache. :lol

The player I would associate him with in terms of talent and leadership (and mustaches) would be Don Mattingly. Both rock solid, and never flashy.

One the best defensive RF's as well. Great all-around player.

WappySprayberry

08-01-2008, 05:57 PM

Good for Curt, an honorable thing to do. :thumbsup

Maybe honorable would be donating the 13 million he suckered the Sox into giving him to blog from home for the entire season.

thebestauntie

08-01-2008, 07:14 PM

That was an awesome 70's porn star 'stache. :lol

The player I would associate him with in terms of talent and leadership (and mustaches) would be Don Mattingly. Both rock solid, and never flashy.

One the best defensive RF's as well. Great all-around player.
Agreed, 100%.

Edit: I think I'm falling in love with you by the way. ;) :lol

bradshaw06

08-02-2008, 12:17 AM

j bay

jaking1185

08-02-2008, 12:50 AM

Agreed, 100%.

Edit: I think I'm falling in love with you by the way. ;) :lol

:o I'm speechless, and extremely flattered. You made my day!

justinandimcool

08-02-2008, 02:26 AM

Manny with 1 on, bottom of the ninth, zero out down 2-1.

Oh boy.

ProudestAnt

08-02-2008, 02:27 AM

Manny with 1 on, bottom of the ninth, zero out down 2-1.

Oh boy. Strike out...

ProudestAnt

08-02-2008, 02:28 AM

Speaking of numbers, will the Sox finally leave "24" alone, and let it retire like it deserves to? If they retire 24, which they won't, it would be for Manny...

justinandimcool

08-02-2008, 02:29 AM

Wrong. Hit into a double play :lol

justinandimcool

08-02-2008, 02:31 AM

And there's the game, Dodgers 3 behind in this sorry division.

ProudestAnt

08-02-2008, 02:33 AM

Wrong. Hit into a double play :lol It was really going to be one of the two, I just thought he'd show up for his first game as a Dodger...

jaking1185

08-02-2008, 02:57 AM

If they retire 24, which they won't, it would be for Manny...

Not after the way their relationship ended. You were probably 5 when Dwight retired so you wouldn't understand.

Manny is the exact opposite of Dwight: Self-centered, only concerned for himself, terrible teammate, total headcase, terrible fielder. I don't question Manny's offensive output, just everything else.

It says something when your teammates give up on you and get sick of your act.

SoRight24

08-02-2008, 09:44 AM

I am going to love having Bay on our team.

He does all the little things right.

joepsu0985

08-02-2008, 10:50 AM

Jason Bay is my favorite player. I was mad, but I guess seeing him in a Bosox uni is not that bad.

thebestauntie

08-02-2008, 12:30 PM

:o I'm speechless, and extremely flattered. You made my day!
:):)
If they retire 24, which they won't, it would be for Manny...
See below
Not after the way their relationship ended. You were probably 5 when Dwight retired so you wouldn't understand.

Manny is the exact opposite of Dwight: Self-centered, only concerned for himself, terrible teammate, total headcase, terrible fielder. I don't question Manny's offensive output, just everything else.

It says something when your teammates give up on you and get sick of your act.
Thank you again! :D

I may have to start stalking you!! :evil

ProudestAnt

08-02-2008, 01:41 PM

Not after the way their relationship ended. You were probably 5 when Dwight retired so you wouldn't understand.

Manny is the exact opposite of Dwight: Self-centered, only concerned for himself, terrible teammate, total headcase, terrible fielder. I don't question Manny's offensive output, just everything else.

It says something when your teammates give up on you and get sick of your act. Don't talk down to me because of my age, I'm a 5th generation Red Sox fan. I know more about players from the old days than most people who were alive to see them because of stories from my father and grand father.

They're not going to retire the number of a guy who was only a 3 time all-star, never won an MVP, isn't in the HOF, hit above .300 once in his career, and is only a .272 hitter lifetime. It doesn't happen...