Boston Red Sox

[SoRight24]

Let Tek retire and become a coach or something.

He has no business being our everyday catcher anymore.

[scrock25]

Let Tek retire and become a coach or something.

He has no business being our everyday catcher anymore.

Who's everyday catcher?

[thebestauntie]

I think we need him for two more years to break in Cash.

he still calls a good game behind the plate. you really don't need a big bat at catcher. he is the Hart and Soul of the team dude.
He hasn't been the heart and soul of the team for at least 2 years now. He used to be Mr. Clutch and Mr. Dependable, but he is neither now. It's time to say good bye to Mr. Varitek.

[devilandthelord]

May I just pop back in and say, blolololo-lololo-lolololololololo.......





lolololololololololo.....





lololo! :)

[SoRight24]

May I just pop back in and say, blolololo-lololo-lolololololololo.......





lolololololololololo.....





lololo! :)

LOL, u a Cubs fan? ;)

[devilandthelord]

LOL, u a Cubs fan? ;)

WHO DEY? :confused

[thebestauntie]

May I just pop back in and say, blolololo-lololo-lolololololololo.......





lolololololololololo.....





lololo! :)
No..

[devilandthelord]

No..

But you really meant yes. :)

[scrock25]

He hasn't been the heart and soul of the team for at least 2 years now. He used to be Mr. Clutch and Mr. Dependable, but he is neither now. It's time to say good bye to Mr. Varitek.

Throw him away like a used piece of garbage....he ain't no good no more! Amirite?? :rolleyes

[thebestauntie]

But you really meant yes. :)
Of course I really meant no.
Throw him away like a used piece of garbage....he ain't no good no more! Amirite?? :rolleyes
Right, what was I thinking? We should hold on to him for sentimental reasons and not worry about the fact that he's most likely going to hurting the team from this point on. :rolleyes

[SoRight24]

Throw him away like a used piece of garbage....he ain't no good no more! Amirite?? :rolleyes

We aren't obligated to keep the guy until he's 90.

He would better serve this team by not being on the team.

I love the guy, personally, but he just can't hit anything anymore. Defense only goes so far...

[dmbgodagirl41]

LOL, Cubs lose to a team with one good hitter?

[RJP2741]

We aren't obligated to keep the guy until he's 90.

He would better serve this team by not being on the team.

I love the guy, personally, but he just can't hit anything anymore. Defense only goes so far...


I don't mind us still playing him. He does still manage the game well. But not pinch hitting for him late in games is mind boggling. You're conceding an out every time he bats. And late in games (post season especially) you really can't afford to do that.

[groton]

He hasn't been the heart and soul of the team for at least 2 years now. He used to be Mr. Clutch and Mr. Dependable, but he is neither now. It's time to say good bye to Mr. Varitek.

he is the Captain a catcher at that.

sorry LA and the rest but his job is not get a clutch hit his job is to call the game behind the plate and he does a great job of that.

we got the other bats on the team to provide the run support, late games you pinch hit for him. it's bad managing if you don't pinch hit for him in that spot. so don't blame tek blame Terry.

[scrock25]

^^^^^^ Thank you!

[rickyh24]

He will be gone when is contract is up. He will want way more than he is worth.

[greyst1crash]

We aren't obligated to keep the guy until he's 90.

He would better serve this team by not being on the team.

I love the guy, personally, but he just can't hit anything anymore. Defense only goes so far...

Wow, this conversation as blown up since last night... I agree with the majority that this should be his last year. As much as I love Tek, and how great he's been for us during the last several years, you can't bat .050 and expect things to go well. Last night made me realize again that our lineup needs some life and big bats to it. The bottom of the order is like lining up 3 outs, and that's not something I ever expect from Boston. Make him a coach, keep him around the organization unless he wants to go play elsewhere. Otherwise, it's time to revamp and make a few changes.

[malarks26]

Let Tek retire and become a coach or something.

He has no business being our everyday catcher anymore.

He has no business being anyone's everyday catcher anymore. The guy is pathetic at the plate. He's a solid defensive catcher, but can't even hit his weight with the bat.

[neumdogg]

LOL, Cubs lose to a team with one good hitter?
Fuck off

[thebestauntie]

Fuck off
I take it your not looking for e-friends anymore?:lol

[neumdogg]

I take it your not looking for e-friends anymore?:lol
Nah. I'm done. Baseball is over for me this season. Time to focus on College Football and the NBA.

[rickyh24]

Go Celtics!

[thebestauntie]

Nah. I'm done. Baseball is over for me this season. Time to focus on College Football and the NBA.
Gloves are off then!

[neumdogg]

Gloves are off then!
Damn right! Rematch IS ON!

[thebestauntie]

Go Celtics!
This is your 27,000th post by the way. :monkey :monkey :monkey

[thebestauntie]

Damn right! Rematch IS ON!
Bring it bitch!

[rickyh24]

This is your 27,000th post by the way. :monkey :monkey :monkey

Didn't even notice that. At least I didn't waste it :)

[thebestauntie]

Didn't even notice that. At least I didn't waste it :)
That was my thought! :lol

Are you watching the Patriots game?

[rickyh24]

Yes I am. They look good.

[thebestauntie]

Yes I am. They look good.
Except for Cassel getting sacked 6 times already. Ugh. But that aside, the Defense is playing well and the at least Sammy Morris is running like there's no tomorrow! It was nice to see Moss manage to catch a TD pass too. :thumbsup

[rickyh24]

Yeah that was a nice throw by Cassel too.

[rickyh24]

Jesus. Maroney is done for the year, Lamont Jordan is missing his 2nd game in a row, and Morris just went down. Fuck.


Moss!!!

[ProudestAnt]

he is the Captain a catcher at that.

sorry LA and the rest but his job is not get a clutch hit his job is to call the game behind the plate and he does a great job of that.

we got the other bats on the team to provide the run support, late games you pinch hit for him. it's bad managing if you don't pinch hit for him in that spot. so don't blame tek blame Terry.
Greg once again showing he knows nothing of the Sox outside of typical homer comments.

Listen, Tek called fastballs inside to both Longoria AND Upton. That right there shows that he's done as a "defensive catcher"...

[ProudestAnt]

And anyone who thinks Cash is the answer doesn't pay enough attention. I say we put a package together using Bowden to get one of Texas' 5 young catchers...

[rickyh24]

I'm not saying Cash is the answer but he would be better than Varitek at this point.

[groton]

Greg once again showing he knows nothing of the Sox outside of typical homer comments.

Listen, Tek called fastballs inside to both Longoria AND Upton. That right there shows that he's done as a "defensive catcher"...

lmao Boy one of these days I will school you so bad your grand kids will be hurting. just because I don't think we should toss aside someone who has been with the team during the Bad times and the good times.
don't make me a homer it means I have a hart and fandom.

And anyone who thinks Cash is the answer doesn't pay enough attention. I say we put a package together using Bowden to get one of Texas' 5 young catchers...

Um that would be a bad trade. we use Cash and Tek till we have someone in our system ready to be the next Star.

[ProudestAnt]

lmao Boy one of these days I will school you so bad your grand kids will be hurting. just because I don't think we should toss aside someone who has been with the team during the Bad times and the good times.
don't make me a homer it means I have a hart and fandom.



Um that would be a bad trade. we use Cash and Tek till we have someone in our system ready to be the next Star. :lol You're pathetic dude. We've been loyal to him as long as he wasn't hurting the team. He showed this postseason that all he was capable of doing was calling mediocre games and being helpless at the plate. He needs to take his body's hint and retire.

And using Bowden as a centerpiece to get a guy like Saltalamacchia is a bad move? You're such an idiot...

[dowling25]

Saltamacchia hasn't really proved to do much in the big leauges though. I think Varitek should go, but its going to be tough to get a catcher.

[ProudestAnt]

Lowell will be expendable by the deadline, maybe we can deal with Cash until then...

[dowling25]

^ you wanna deal Lowell?

[scrock25]

Right, why not? Get rid of the whole fucking team!! Fuck them!!! They didn't win shit this year!!!! Amirite????? Get rid of all those worthless fuckers!!!!!!

[ProudestAnt]

^ you wanna deal Lowell?
Kid named Lars Anderson. Check him out. Move Youk to third...

[ProudestAnt]

Right, why not? Get rid of the whole fucking team!! Fuck them!!! They didn't win shit this year!!!! Amirite????? Get rid of all those worthless fuckers!!!!!!
That's not it at all...

[scrock25]

Obviously

[ProudestAnt]

Obviously
You gotta make room for these kids that are playing well. What would you do with a guy like Varitek? He's not hitting like Posada. And I understand Lowell was just hurt, but why not make room for a kid that was hitting like a man possessed in the minors? Might as well trade Lowell and get SOMETHING for him instead of just not re-signing him when the time came.

It's nice to have nostalgia, but there has to be limits...

[scrock25]

You gotta make room for these kids that are playing well. What would you do with a guy like Varitek? He's not hitting like Posada. And I understand Lowell was just hurt, but why not make room for a kid that was hitting like a man possessed in the minors? Might as well trade Lowell and get SOMETHING for him instead of just not re-signing him when the time came.

It's nice to have nostalgia, but there has to be limits...

What will Lowell be worth coming off a down year and off-season hip surgery? I understand the principle, but honestly.

[ProudestAnt]

What will Lowell be worth coming off a down year and off-season hip surgery? I understand the principle, but honestly.
If we pick up most of his salary? A gold glove third baseman who will hit .300 is worth a lot...

[scrock25]

If we pick up most of his salary? A gold glove third baseman who will hit .300 is worth a lot...

I could see the Sox getting something in that case.

[specialkd24]

From the Globe this morning, they were talking about signing Mark Teixeira, moving Youks to 3B and trading Lowell.

I think the Yankees will make a big play for Teixeira. His numbers have been pretty good, averaging 35 HR/118 RBI the last five years and having more walks and strikeouts last year.

Can you imagine a lineup like this:
Ellsbury/Crisp
Pedroia (R)
Teixeira (S)
Youkilis (R)
Ortiz (L)
Jason Bay (R)
J.D. Drew (L)
SS
C

[dowling25]

You gotta make room for these kids that are playing well. What would you do with a guy like Varitek? He's not hitting like Posada. And I understand Lowell was just hurt, but why not make room for a kid that was hitting like a man possessed in the minors? Might as well trade Lowell and get SOMETHING for him instead of just not re-signing him when the time came.

It's nice to have nostalgia, but there has to be limits...


Disagree Lowell is a great hitter especially in Fenway. Let him rest up and hopefully he bounces back. Plus this Lars kid looks to be good in the future but he is only 21 and I would much rather have Lowell at third and Youk at first for the next couple years at least.

[dowling25]

From the Globe this morning, they were talking about signing Mark Teixeira, moving Youks to 3B and trading Lowell.

I think the Yankees will make a big play for Teixeira. His numbers have been pretty good, averaging 35 HR/118 RBI the last five years and having more walks and strikeouts last year.

Can you imagine a lineup like this:
Ellsbury/Crisp
Pedroia (R)
Teixeira (S)
Youkilis (R)
Ortiz (L)
Jason Bay (R)
J.D. Drew (L)
SS
C

Papi would still hit third I think. I don't know about getting rid of Lowell...however Teixeria is a great player. I find it hard to believe that we will sign him though anyways.

[SoRight24]

I'm pretty good and drunk.

It's the only way I can watch this boring ass World Series.

[malarks26]

From the Globe this morning, they were talking about signing Mark Teixeira, moving Youks to 3B and trading Lowell.

I think the Yankees will make a big play for Teixeira. His numbers have been pretty good, averaging 35 HR/118 RBI the last five years and having more walks and strikeouts last year.

Can you imagine a lineup like this:
Ellsbury/Crisp
Pedroia (R)
Teixeira (S)
Youkilis (R)
Ortiz (L)
Jason Bay (R)
J.D. Drew (L)
SS
C

You won't get any takers for Lowell, not after the disappointing season he had this year, plus surgery and his age.

[SoRight24]

You won't get any takers for Lowell, not after the disappointing season he had this year, plus surgery and his age.

We should have just let him walk last year, IMO.

[pats4life2003]

sox need to get rid of Lowell and go after Tex


it's no question..they will be a better team..they also need to sign a 1, 2 type starting pitcher

[dowling25]

We do have a 1,2 type starting pitcher. Beckett, Lester and you could say 1,2,3 with Dice-k there too.

Keep Lowell, I wouldn't trade him.

[ProudestAnt]

Wrong...

[rickyh24]

:lol

[jmudmbphan]

sox dont have a 1,2 type starting pitcher? :lol

they have 3...

knowledgeable bosox fans unite!!!!1!

[ProudestAnt]

I said wrong about keeping Lowell...

[rickyh24]

Lowell's $$ + Schillings $$ = Teixeira & Peavy

[SoRight24]

Yes but who would we trade in order to get Peavy?

[DavefaninNZ]

Lowell's $$ + Schillings $$ = Teixeira & Peavy

Considering the sox would have to eat a lot of Lowell's contract, its not that straightforward.

[rickyh24]

Yes but who would we trade in order to get Peavy?

Whoever. We need a #1 ;)

[dowling25]

What is with all this hate for Lowell....he was injured this year. The year before he was great. He can still be great especially in Fenway.

[rickyh24]

Hes getting old. Hes expensive. Its not hate I'm happy with him but if they can get Tex and slide Youk over to third the lineup looks a lot better for a few more years than if they stuck wit Lowell.

[jmudmbphan]

What is with all this hate for Lowell....he was injured this year. The year before he was great. He can still be great especially in Fenway.


fairweather fans

[thehoss]

i fucking love that quote STILL to this day. good stuff, hahahaha (your sig)

[dowling25]

I wonder what we can get out of Lugo if we do try and trade him this offseason. Any thoughts?

[SoRight24]

I wonder what we can get out of Lugo if we do try and trade him this offseason. Any thoughts?

Probably not much....

[Puster Nutbag]

I wonder what we can get out of Lugo if we do try and trade him this offseason. Any thoughts?

They won't get anything for him if the trade him plus they'll have to eat most if not all of his contract

As for Lowell It's not hate it's they would make the team better if they do Sign Texiera and trade him. It would be the bat The Papi needs behind him in the order when Manny left. Lowell had an off year he was hurt not many fans hate him for that but if there is a possibilty of them signing Texiera and trading him I'd be for it, even though it would be sad to see Lowell go with what he's done since he's been here, but many more benefits for years to come if that happens plus you never now how lowell is going to recover from this injury.

[dowling25]

I love that the Rays sucked. I knew that would happen to the Rays.

[dmbgodagirl41]

Where are the cowbells now, bitches!! :D

[thebestauntie]

Where are the cowbells now, bitches!! :D
Freaken awesome post Katie!!

[dmbgodagirl41]

Freaken awesome post Katie!!

:lol:lol:lol
Hey, I didn't say it in the TB thread, did I? hahahahaa

[thebestauntie]

:lol:lol:lol
Hey, I didn't say it in the TB thread, did I? hahahahaa
:lol:lol I wish I had thought of it! I would have posted it in there! :lol:lol

[dmbgodagirl41]

:lol:lol I wish I had thought of it! I would have posted it in there! :lol:lol

Yeah, it took a lot of strength to not do it, but I'm really trying to stick to my policy of not rubbing it in peoples' faces. Trying to be a good sport.:shrug

[thebestauntie]

Yeah, it took a lot of strength to not do it, but I'm really trying to stick to my policy of not rubbing it in peoples' faces. Trying to be a good sport.:shrug
I am very impressed Katie. :D

[rickyh24]

I'm pretty sure the two Tampa fans that were posting in that thread will probably not be in it for a while anyways.

[SoRight24]

I'm pretty sure the two Tampa fans that were posting in that thread will probably not be in it for a while anyways.

That ring is tits. :thumbsup

[rickyh24]

That ring is tits. :thumbsup

Yeah its pretty ridiculous looking. I forget how many diamonds it has in it. I know its a shit load though.

[dmbgodagirl41]

Yeah its pretty ridiculous looking. I forget how many diamonds it has in it. I know its a shit load though.

92 diamonds. :)

[scrock25]

92 diamonds. :)

Link?

[dmbgodagirl41]

Link?

uhhmm, I can try to find one, but I think Paul Pierce said 92 when he was asked before the first game the other night.

Looking for a link......

Edit: 84 diamonds. My bad. http://nba.fanhouse.com/2008/10/26/photos-celtics-2008-championship-rings/

[dowling25]

Just saw on Sportscenter that Scott Boras is trying to shop Jason Varitek to Detroit.

[ProudestAnt]

Just saw on Sportscenter that Scott Boras is trying to shop Jason Varitek to Detroit.
Good, they can fucking have him...

[ProudestAnt]

We exercised our option on Wake today. $4 mil for next season...

[rickyh24]

Good, they can fucking have him...

:lol

[SoRight24]

Good, they can fucking have him...

My thoughts exactly....

[specialkd24]

Boras says a 4-year, $52.4 million contract for Varitek. I know an agent has to try to to get what he can but that is the most ridiculous contract request ever. Yes he is a winner and brought the Sox 2 titles, but he is old and can't hit worth a lick right now. He also said it is in line with Posada's deal ... and we saw what happened to Posada this year, he broke down.

I sure hope the Sox don't give him that money.

I'd go 2 years, $18-20 million total maybe just b/c he has been loyal and can be a bridge between him and the new catcher.

[dowling25]

Boras is a dumbass.

[ProudestAnt]

Boras says a 4-year, $52.4 million contract for Varitek. I know an agent has to try to to get what he can but that is the most ridiculous contract request ever. Yes he is a winner and brought the Sox 2 titles, but he is old and can't hit worth a lick right now. He also said it is in line with Posada's deal ... and we saw what happened to Posada this year, he broke down.

I sure hope the Sox don't give him that money.

I'd go 2 years, $18-20 million total maybe just b/c he has been loyal and can be a bridge between him and the new catcher. You're going to give Jason Varitek $10 mil a year? JASON VARITEK?!

[SoRight24]

I'd go 1 year, 2 million. :lol

[ProudestAnt]

Here's my contract offer for him: You leave town without throwing a hissy fit and we'll retire your jersey. You throw said hissy fit and we offer you a contract, option you to A ball and let you rot there into nothingness and be forgotten just as quickly as El Guapo...

[SoRight24]

Even if by chance we do sign him back, it better be as a backup.

[ProudestAnt]

In other news, Timlin's gone. Thank God...

[dowling25]

Sad day for Timlin to be gone. He was a great pitcher for us.

[rickyh24]

I'd go 1 year, 2 million. :lol

Yeah that sounds reasonable.

[LaDude]

Gold Glove for Pedroia! Hopefully MVP next!

[rickyh24]

Well thats good news! Nice avatar I just had that last week but changed it two days ago.

[thebestauntie]

Gold Glove for Pedroia! Hopefully MVP next!
Nice!!

[dowling25]

I just saw Phillies are interested in Matt Holliday. If they got him, wow, think of that line up.

[ProudestAnt]

Holliday is an average hitter outside of Coors...

[dowling25]

I'd still love to have him. No question. Probably more so than teixera

[ProudestAnt]

No, Texeira is a much better player than Holliday...

[rickyh24]

No, Texeira is a much better player than Holliday...

:thumbsup:thumbsup:thumbsup

[dowling25]

Any word on any FA offers by the Sox. I have not heard anything on ESPN yet. All I hear is how big the Yankees offer is.

[rickyh24]

Lugo to the Tigers for Willis or Robertson

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20081116&content_id=3681305&vkey=hotstove2008&fext=.jsp

thats not going to help much.

[ProudestAnt]

Robertson would be nice...

[rickyh24]

Yeah that would be the better scenario. Even though his 6.35 era in 32 games is not too appealing.

[ProudestAnt]

He'd be ok with a pitching coach...

[LaDude]

Pedroia AL MVP!!!!!! :)

[thebestauntie]

Pedroia AL MVP!!!!!! :)
I'm so happy!! :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

[SoRight24]

Nice!

[jmudmbphan]

yayyyyy now if only him winning the mvp helped you guys win another world series.

[SoRight24]

yayyyyy now if only him winning the mvp helped you guys win another world series.

Now if only your team could actually make the playoffs.

[jmudmbphan]

but we can.

and then proceed to give its fans (me) more world series than the sox have in 90 years.

[thebestauntie]

yayyyyy now if only him winning the mvp helped you guys win another world series.
Just like A-Rod last year.

[rickyh24]

but we can.

and then proceed to give its fans (me) more world series than the sox have in 90 years.

Jesus.

[SoRight24]

but we can.

and then proceed to give its fans (me) more world series than the sox have in 90 years.

LOL, u hanging on to the past?

[rickyh24]

LOL, u hanging on to the past?

Like always.

[dowling25]

Just got the news a bit ago. I was so excited that he won!

and another good sounding bit of news is that Lugo looks like he might be headed to Detroit!

[jmudmbphan]

LOL, u hanging on to the past?


the memory of seeing 4 world championships and the ensuing parades around new york doesnt fade quickly my friend.

[ProudestAnt]

I know this is out there, but I was involved in a discussion earlier and this made a LOT of sense. Trade Ortiz...

[jmudmbphan]

reallly?? what would you like to get for him?

and arent you concerned you wont get fair value considering his stock is lower right now than its been in probably the last 5 years..?

[ProudestAnt]

reallly?? what would you like to get for him?

and arent you concerned you wont get fair value considering his stock is lower right now than its been in probably the last 5 years..?
But with him severely falling off last season and having the body of a guy who can fall off the cliff at any moment (see Mo Vaughn), his stock may be the highest we can hope for. You could get decent bullpen help for him. Plus, with the Sox preparing to offer Teixeira a contract bigger than Manny's, it makes the most sense...

[jmudmbphan]

Yeah thats kinda what i was getting at...his body type makes it seem like hes going to fall off anytime soon..Im not so sure you'd get anything THAT great for him right now...Personally id hold on to him and trade him before the deadline.

[rickyh24]

I know this is out there, but I was involved in a discussion earlier and this made a LOT of sense. Trade Ortiz...

Not gonna happen.

[dowling25]

I know this is out there, but I was involved in a discussion earlier and this made a LOT of sense. Trade Ortiz...


You seemingly love getting rid of our staple players. I think Ortiz with rest will be back to himself next season. Ortiz is still one of the most feared hitters in the league.

[ProudestAnt]

WAS one of the most feared hitters in the league. Listen, hear me out on this. What happens if we sign Teixiera like it seems like we are? We're not going to get much for Lowell with his contract + age. And even if we do, it doesn't make sense to trade a guy who can play gold glove 3rd base and hit extremely well for a guy who can hit extremely well and.....that's it. So we trade Ortiz for MR help and out lineup looks like this:

Ellsbury (CF)
Pedroia (2B)
Teixeira (1B)
Youkilis (3B, 1B)
Bay (LF)
Lowell (DH, 3B)
Drew (RF)
Lowrie (SS)
Catcher

[dowling25]

^ I would still say that the lineup doesn't look as good without Ortiz. I understand what you are saying. I just don't find it realistic to trade Ortiz right now.

[chr35919]

^ I would still say that the lineup doesn't look as good without Ortiz. I understand what you are saying. I just don't find it realistic to trade Ortiz right now.:thumbsup:thumbsup

[ProudestAnt]

^ I would still say that the lineup doesn't look as good without Ortiz. I understand what you are saying. I just don't find it realistic to trade Ortiz right now.
Not as good as without Ortiz as you remember him perhaps. But not as good without Ortiz as last year? Come on...

[chr35919]

Not as good as without Ortiz as you remember him perhaps. But not as good without Ortiz as last year? Come on...do you think ortiz is on his way down?

i think he'll recover and be just as good.

[dowling25]

Not as good as without Ortiz as you remember him perhaps. But not as good without Ortiz as last year? Come on...

He was hurt last year. He was never at full 100% after that injury. He'll be ok. I'll be questioning it if he has a bad season and is at 100%.

[rickyh24]

Ortiz was hurting all last year. Im not really ready to give up on him yet. Especially if there is another big bat in the lineup to hit behind him.

[davelk10]

He was hurt last year. He was never at full 100% after that injury. He'll be ok. I'll be questioning it if he has a bad season and is at 100%.

Ortiz was hurting all last year. Im not really ready to give up on him yet. Especially if there is another big bat in the lineup to hit behind him.

Sorry but Ortiz as you knew him is done. I think he is like 33/34 years old and no longer has one of the best hitters ever for protection. Don't get me wrong, still a good hitter but his DL trips will be more frequent and opposite field hitting will become almost non-existant.

[rickyh24]

Sorry but Ortiz as you knew him is done. I think he is like 33/34 years old and no longer has one of the best hitters ever for protection. Don't get me wrong, still a good hitter but his DL trips will be more frequent and opposite field hitting will become almost non-existant.

I guess we will see. I'm pretty confident he will bounce back next year.

[dowling25]

Sorry but Ortiz as you knew him is done. I think he is like 33/34 years old and no longer has one of the best hitters ever for protection. Don't get me wrong, still a good hitter but his DL trips will be more frequent and opposite field hitting will become almost non-existant.

False. 33/34 is not that old in the first place for baseball players. Ortiz can still hit with the best of them he just needs to get back to 100%

[ProudestAnt]

Ortiz was hurting all last year. Im not really ready to give up on him yet. Especially if there is another big bat in the lineup to hit behind him.
Who's the big bat that'll be behind him? That's the problem with this entire scenario...

[libidoblitho]

Who's the big bat that'll be behind him? That's the problem with this entire scenario...

Tex, if they can sign him.:cool:thumbsup

[ProudestAnt]

False. 33/34 is not that old in the first place for baseball players. Ortiz can still hit with the best of them he just needs to get back to 100%
The man weighs a generous 230. Probably closer to 250, his body is not built to stand up much longer. You saw it with Mo Vaughn, 32 he was decent, missed all of 2001 when he was 33, was bad at 34 and fell off the cliff and was done at 35. You're fooling yourself if you think you're going to see .300, 35, 100 out of Ortiz ever again like you could see from Tex...

[ProudestAnt]

Tex, if they can sign him.:cool:thumbsup
You can't sign Tex when you have Youkilis, Ortiz AND Lowell. There's no room for him. How is this difficult to understand?

[davelk10]

False. 33/34 is not that old in the first place for baseball players. Ortiz can still hit with the best of them he just needs to get back to 100%

That's the same thing Twins fans said for years.

[davelk10]

The man weighs a generous 230. Probably closer to 250, his body is not built to stand up much longer. You saw it with Mo Vaughn, 32 he was decent, missed all of 2001 when he was 33, was bad at 34 and fell off the cliff and was done at 35. You're fooling yourself if you think you're going to see .300, 35, 100 out of Ortiz ever again like you could see from Tex...

Glad there is someone who thinks a little.

[rickyh24]

You can't sign Tex when you have Youkilis, Ortiz AND Lowell. There's no room for him. How is this difficult to understand?

Obviously Theo thinks differently.

[rickyh24]

Glad there is someone who thinks a little.

Ok youre right Ortiz=Vaughn hes done for sure. :lol

[dowling25]

Who's the big bat that'll be behind him? That's the problem with this entire scenario...

Youk...Jason Bay. They are all really good hitters. I feel comfortable with either of them. Obviously I would like Tex more but we need to keep Ortiz for now.

[ProudestAnt]

Ok youre right Ortiz=Vaughn hes done for sure. :lol
Mo Vaughn was a much better player than Ortiz can ever hope to be...

[ProudestAnt]

Youk...Jason Bay. They are all really good hitters. I feel comfortable with either of them. Obviously I would like Tex more but we need to keep Ortiz for now.
A big bat is a lot different than a really good hitter...

[ProudestAnt]

Obviously Theo thinks differently.
If you think that we're going to sign Tex without moving either Lowell or Ortiz, you're delusional...

[chr35919]

If you think that we're going to sign Tex without moving either Lowell or Ortiz, you're delusional...i'd take teixera over lowell in a heartbeat.

[twosteppin21]

yankees are gayer than cum on a mustache

[rickyh24]

If you think that we're going to sign Tex without moving either Lowell or Ortiz, you're delusional...

Dont remember saying that.

[rickyh24]

Mo Vaughn was a much better player than Ortiz can ever hope to be...

:lol

[chr35919]

Mo Vaughn was a much better player than Ortiz can ever hope to be...are you serious?

[rickyh24]

are you serious?

I think he was :lol

[SoRight24]

I would love to have Tex, but he is NOT worth 140 million.

He's awful in the first half of the year.

[davelk10]

I would love to have Tex, but he is NOT worth 140 million.

He's awful in the first half of the year.

Exactly.

Is he someone who will carry his team? Well since he has yet to do it .....

[DavefaninNZ]

I say take a risk on Ortiz this year. If he bounces back, fine, if not wait til next offseason. I believe he's only signed through 2010, so it'll be a bit easier to trade him them.

Sign Tex and trade lowell. Proudest is right, if you sign tex you need to make room for him.

By signing Tex though, I think Ortiz will be fine. He'll have that bat to protect him. Lets face it, Youk, Lowell, Drew and even Bay are not Ramirez-type hitters. Texiera is, and would provide ample protection for Ortiz.

[davelk10]

I say take a risk on Ortiz this year. If he bounces back, fine, if not wait til next offseason. I believe he's only signed through 2010, so it'll be a bit easier to trade him them.

Sign Tex and trade lowell. Proudest is right, if you sign tex you need to make room for him.

By signing Tex though, I think Ortiz will be fine. He'll have that bat to protect him. Lets face it, Youk, Lowell, Drew and even Bay are not Ramirez-type hitters. Texiera is, and would provide ample protection for Ortiz.

Who would want Lowell after what he put up last year?
Remember he was a throw-in on the Beckett deal because the Marlins thought he was done.

[rickyh24]

Who would want Lowell after what he put up last year?
Remember he was a throw-in on the Beckett deal because the Marlins thought he was done.

What does that matter? He has been solid since then and has a series mvp.

[rickyh24]

Exactly.

Is he someone who will carry his team? Well since he has yet to do it .....

Will he need to carry this team? You are not making good points.

[ProudestAnt]

In Mo Vaughn's best 6 seasons (1993-1998) he averaged .314, 35.5 HRs, 110.5 RBIs, .405 OBP, with a .568 SLG and an MVP. And he had no one hitting behind him. AND he hit 2nd in the lineup, which limited his RBI opportunities and the pitches he saw.

In Ortiz's best 6 seasons (2002-2007) he averaged .297, 39 HRs, 119.5 RBIs, .390 OBP, with a .592 SLG. That all came with Manny hitting behind him and him hitting in the 3 spot on a far superior Red Sox team.

Ortiz is not a guy who can carry a team on his own. Mo Vaughn was...

[ProudestAnt]

Who would want Lowell after what he put up last year?
Remember he was a throw-in on the Beckett deal because the Marlins thought he was done.
I still think Lowell holds some trade value, especially if we send money along with him. However, I still think it makes more sense to trade Ortiz before he shits the bed for good...

[rickyh24]

^^ looks like a wash to me.

[DavefaninNZ]

Who would want Lowell after what he put up last year?
Remember he was a throw-in on the Beckett deal because the Marlins thought he was done.

Im sure you can find some takers. He played through injuries most of the year. But he certainly resurrected his career in Boston, and there's no reason to think he's washed up. Boston may have to eat some of his salary, but they can find takers.

[ProudestAnt]

Put Ortiz on the 93-98 Sox teams and you never hear his name...

[rickyh24]

Put Ortiz on the 93-98 Sox teams and you never hear his name...

Know way of telling that.

[ProudestAnt]

Know way of telling that.
You can look at the numbers. He put up comparable numbers on a far superior team. He hit 3rd in one of the best lineups the franchise had ever seen with one of the top hitters in the last 50 years hitting behind him. Put him on a team without any of that and what's the logical reaction?

[DavefaninNZ]

Put Ortiz on the 93-98 Sox teams and you never hear his name...

C'mon, that's a bit of an exaggeration. :lol

[ProudestAnt]

C'mon, that's a bit of an exaggeration. :lol
Name 3 offensive players on the team in 1993 other than Mo Vaughn without looking it up...

[DavefaninNZ]

Name 3 offensive players on the team in 1993 other than Mo Vaughn without looking it up...

Haha, um. That is tough.

Jody Reed
Luis Rivera
Mike Greenwell
?

I laugh because suddenly Ortiz is not a good hitter? I agree about the hitters around Mo, but Ortiz may hit comparable to Vaughn, though no way to tell. He certainly wouldn't be an obscure player.

[ProudestAnt]

He's a good hitter in a great lineup. He was a no one before coming to Boston. Why? Because he was in a piss-poor lineup...

[DavefaninNZ]

He's a good hitter in a great lineup. He was a no one before coming to Boston. Why? Because he was in a piss-poor lineup...

No, because he was injured all the time playing on the turf in Minnesota. Minnesota management knew he had talent, he was just injured to much.

[ProudestAnt]

No, because he was injured all the time playing on the turf in Minnesota. Minnesota management knew he had talent, he was just injured to much.
He had over 400 ABs twice in Minn and was average at best those two seasons...

[rickyh24]

Maybe he just matured as a hitter?

[ProudestAnt]

Maybe he just matured as a hitter?
He went from .272, 20 and 75 to .288, 31 and 101 in a season? You don't mature as a hitter in the off-season, you're a product of the lineup you're in...

[DavefaninNZ]

True, but 2000-2002 he seemed to be coming around as a hitter. 2001 was an injury plagued season and had more homeruns in about 100 less ABs than the year before. I certainly agree that Ortiz has been helped by Boston's lineup, but by no means is he an average player that would've been a nobody in Mo's years.

[rickyh24]

Ok then. Agree to disagree I guess. Im pretty sure you can get better during the offseason.

[DirtDog421]

Players improve on their numbers every year...

Some players get better during offseason (more experience, whatever it may be) Not sure how one could argue that?

I'm going to go on a limb and say averaging 246 ABS on and off for 6 years fighting injuries the entire time isnt enough to gauge a hitter's worth. He came to Boston, stayed relatively healthy and found the right hitting coach, and gradually improved on his last year in MIN (2002).

Jumping from 272 to 288 is entirely possible..Fuck, Chipper Jones has flucuated in avg several times throughout his career, it happens. No one maintains the same average throughout their career. Ortiz is a good hitter who fought off injuries last year...

Chipper Jones went through what Ortiz did last year, but he did it in 2004 hitting 248 and bounced back in 03 hitting 296...I wouldnt say thats a product of the Braves' lineup, I'd say it was a product of a good hitter staying relatively more healthy...

[dowling25]

Possible one-year contract offered to Tek by the Sox

[ProudestAnt]

I refuse to watch any games the Sox have Tek behind the plate. I flat out refuse...

[ProudestAnt]

Agent Scott Boras said Monday that the Red Sox have not begun contract negotiations with Jason Varitek.
That goes against a WEEI report that Vartiek has been offered a one-year contract.
Source: Boston Globe

[SoRight24]

Agent Scott Boras said Monday that the Red Sox have not begun contract negotiations with Jason Varitek.
That goes against a WEEI report that Vartiek has been offered a one-year contract.
Source: Boston Globe

Finally some good news.

[ProudestAnt]

Oh noes, Red Sox are breaking teh ruelzzzz!!

The Red Sox, based on some reports, are close to signing Junichi Tazawa of Japan. He’s a 22-year-old Japanese amateur player who has a chance to be pretty good depending on the scout you ask. Others think he doesn’t throw hard enough.

But whether Tazawa is any good or not isn’t the point. The point is that he is an amateur player and by signing him, the Red Sox would break a decades-old informal agreement between the Major Leagues and the Japanese leagues not to pilfer amateur players from each other’s country.

For the Japanese, this is a huge potential problem. If they can’t keep their best players in the Pacific and Central Leagues for at least a few years, the quality of their baseball will quickly diminish.

So what do you care? You’re a fan of the Yankees, not Japanese baseball. Here’s the problem: The Yankees could have five or six picks in the first 50 slots of the draft in June. What is keeping a well-financed Japanese team from sending scouts to high school or college games in the United States in May and signing top prospects? Nothing.

No, they wouldn’t get everybody. But they could make a dent in the quality of the draft. Think Scott Boras might like that option for a client who goes in the first round? That would be leverage.

Several teams scouted and are pursuing Tazawa, but the Yankees sat this one out. Brian Cashman said from the start that he would abide by the agreement, as did most teams. This is a mess for MLB, which can’t force teams like Boston to abide by rules that don’t really exist.

The solution would be to come up with an ironclad rule and perhaps that will be the legacy Tazawa leaves. But for now, there’s a hole in the system and some teams that don’t care about doing the right thing are walking through it.

[chr35919]

looks like they're gonna get him.

[LaDude]

Pedroia's Pay Day!!

AL MVP Dustin Pedroia has signed a six-year, $40.5 million extension with Boston through 2014 with a club option for the 2015 season.

:)

[thebestauntie]

Pedroia's Pay Day!!

AL MVP Dustin Pedroia has signed a six-year, $40.5 million extension with Boston through 2014 with a club option for the 2015 season.

:)
Awesome!!! :multi :bounce :multi :bounce :multi :bounce :multi :bounce

[jmudmbphan]

omggzzz zim sooo happy for him!!!!1!

[thebestauntie]

omggzzz zim sooo happy for him!!!!1!
Shut up. :p

[rickyh24]

Hopefully he doesnt pull a Cano.

[DirtDog421]

Hopefully he doesnt pull a Cano.

He's a much better all around player than Cano.....



And it's good to see Yankees fans spending their day in here giving us shit for being excited we just locked up Dusty CHEAP!

Is it really that boring to be a Yankees fan? Forget it, I know the answer to that one......

[jmudmbphan]

he is not much better all around than cano...

cano will be a hall of famer one day....dustin is a flash in the pan.

[DirtDog421]

he is not much better all around than cano...

cano will be a hall of famer one day....dustin is a flash in the pan.


:lol

EDIT- Someone like that isn't worth a response

:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol

[jmudmbphan]

you just gave me one :D

[DirtDog421]

you just gave me one :D

Cool, did you see my response? Or did you not because I don't feel like it's worth it to get into anything with a Yankee fan looking for trouble??

Thought so.

Aaaannnnyways...

[ProudestAnt]

Breakdown of Pedroia's salary:

Signing bonus - $1.5 million

Base salaries
2009 - $1.5 million
2010 - $3.5 million
2011 - $5.5 million
2012 - $8 million
2013 - $10 million
2014 - $10 million

Club option
2015 - $11 million (or a $500,000 buyout)

[rickyh24]

he is not much better all around than cano...

cano will be a hall of famer one day....dustin is a flash in the pan.

LOl u funny.

[jmudmbphan]

Cool, did you see my response? Or did you not because I don't feel like it's worth it to get into anything with a Yankee fan looking for trouble??

Thought so.

Aaaannnnyways...

thanks for the second response :D

[libidoblitho]

What's the latest on Tazawa, the Tazmanian Devil (no doubt his nickname when he comes)? Is he that good?

[ProudestAnt]

What's the latest on Tazawa, the Tazmanian Devil (no doubt his nickname when he comes)? Is he that good?
Low 90s fastball, good change-up. Nothing special to be honest...

[jmudmbphan]

well this cant make you guys too happy.

best roatation in the league??? I think so!

[chr35919]

well this cant make you guys too happy.

best roatation in the league??? I think so!
i seem to remember pwning sabathia in the playoffs.

[jmudmbphan]

i remember that too...although i wouldnt base how well the sox will do against him off such a small sample size.

[rickyh24]

well this cant make you guys too happy.

best roatation in the league??? I think so!

Yeah right.

[ajgdrums7814]

i seem to remember pwning sabathia in the playoffs.

Playoffs mean very little as the sample size is so small.

But I don't know about NY having the best rotation in baseball, either. Boston could gain some HUGE momentum if they sign Teixeira. I desperately hope he goes to LA or Washington. Teixeira is the safest impact-player on the market.

[jmudmbphan]

Yeah right.


well, talking 1-3 who do you think is better than..

CC
Wang
Chamberlin

CC > Beckett
DiceK>Wang
Chamberlin>Lester

[jmudmbphan]

Playoffs mean very little as the sample size is so small.

But I don't know about NY having the best rotation in baseball, either. Boston could gain some HUGE momentum if they sign Teixeira. I desperately hope he goes to LA or Washington. Teixeira is the safest impact-player on the market.


how does this impact their rotation?

[rickyh24]

well, talking 1-3 who do you think is better than..

CC
Wang
Chamberlin

CC > Beckett
DiceK>Wang
Chamberlin>Lester

Looks like a wash to me. Especially with Beckett healthy.

[jmudmbphan]

Yeah perhaps....yankees 4-5, whoever that may be..

Pettite, Sheets, Lowe, Hughes, Burnett are where the difference really will be.

[chr35919]

well, talking 1-3 who do you think is better than..

CC
Wang
Chamberlin

CC > Beckett
DiceK>Wang
Chamberlin>Lester:lol

[rickyh24]

Yeah perhaps....yankees 4-5, whoever that may be..

Pettite, Sheets, Lowe, Hughes, Burnett are where the difference really will be.

Agreed. I still think the sox will get a starter and tex. I knew C.C was going to NY.

[jmudmbphan]

:lol


what are you laughing at?

His ERA is lower, his BB:K ratio is lower, his K per inning is higher, his hits per inning is lower, his opponents average is lower, his WHIP is lower..........

[chr35919]

what are you laughing at?

His ERA is lower, his BB:K ratio is lower, his K per inning is higher, his hits per inning is lower, his opponents average is lower, his WHIP is lower..........he's not a better pitcher yet. sorry.

[jmudmbphan]

Agreed. I still think the sox will get a starter and tex. I knew C.C was going to NY.


whos gonna be bostons 4-5?

wake im assuming is 4...

[rickyh24]

what are you laughing at?

His ERA is lower, his BB:K ratio is lower, his K per inning is higher, his hits per inning is lower, his opponents average is lower, his WHIP is lower..........

How many innings he throw?

[jmudmbphan]

he's not a better pitcher yet. sorry.


fair enough..what are you basing that determination off of?

because its obviously not the stats...

[scrock25]

he's not a better pitcher yet. sorry.

Why, because Lester has a no-hitter and Joba does not?

[rickyh24]

whos gonna be bostons 4-5?

wake im assuming is 4...

Masterson or Clay as of now. Something will happen though.

[jmudmbphan]

How many innings he throw?


about half as many as Lester...but over 100 innings in a season still gives you a pretty good look at what a pitcher is capable of

[ajgdrums7814]

how does this impact their rotation?

I was talking about the team as a whole. Boston will still probably be the favorites even without Teixeira. But if they sign Teix, they are going to have a huge leg up on everyone.

We don't even know what either of their full rotations will look like yet. The only proclamation we can make is that Sabathia is better than Beckett. But Lester will probably be better than NY's number 2 unless they sign Burnett. Dice-K is better than Wang.

[rickyh24]

about half as many as Lester...but over 100 innings in a season still gives you a pretty good look at what a pitcher is capable of

His stats are not even that much better with the inning difference. Joba needs to put in a full year as a starter than we can come back to this.

[chr35919]

His stats are not even that much better with the inning difference. Joba needs to put in a full year as a starter than we can come back to this.:thumbsup:thumbsup:thumbsup

[jmudmbphan]

fair enough..what are you basing that determination off of?

because its obviously not the stats...


????

[groton]

????

your a idiot.

CC vs the Sox will get crushed.

I will say it now the Yankees finish 3rd at best.

CC is just like the Big Unit someone who does good maybe even great outside of the media attention. put him in a market like Boston or NYC and he crumbles just like Randy Johnson and Arod.

[ajgdrums7814]

your a idiot.

CC vs the Sox will get crushed.

I will say it now the Yankees finish 3rd at best.

CC is just like the Big Unit someone who does good maybe even great outside of the media attention. put him in a market like Boston or NYC and he crumbles just like Randy Johnson and Arod.

And you're calling him the idiot?

You have no substance whatsoever in that post.

[groton]

And you're calling him the idiot?

You have no substance whatsoever in that post.

see 07 ALCS
first part of the 08 season when the Media in Cleveland was bashing him

see last season for the yankee's and the whole Arod/Madonna thing

see Randy Johnson stats pitching for the yankee's and then for the Dbacks.

[scrock25]

your a idiot.

CC vs the Sox will get crushed.

I will say it now the Yankees finish 3rd at best.

CC is just like the Big Unit someone who does good maybe even great outside of the media attention. put him in a market like Boston or NYC and he crumbles just like Randy Johnson and Arod.

But A-Rod won two MVP awards in NYC??? Just sayin'.

And no, no titles....but I'd hardly say he's crumbled.

[jmudmbphan]

your a idiot.

CC vs the Sox will get crushed.

I will say it now the Yankees finish 3rd at best.

CC is just like the Big Unit someone who does good maybe even great outside of the media attention. put him in a market like Boston or NYC and he crumbles just like Randy Johnson and Arod.

as for the first bold.....well, its just ironic.

3rd at best, i say, wishful thinking on your part.

As for the 3rd bold....how do you know this? Seems like more wishful thinking.

I wont respond to you like I would someone else who calls me an idiot for no reason because I know you have learning disabilities...but seriously, try to control yourself and think before you speak.

[jmudmbphan]

your a idiot.

CC vs the Sox will get crushed.

I will say it now the Yankees finish 3rd at best.

CC is just like the Big Unit someone who does good maybe even great outside of the media attention. put him in a market like Boston or NYC and he crumbles just like Randy Johnson and Arod.

and moron...when i typed ???? I was wondering why he thought Lester was better than Joba...bc the numbers dont say so...

you have a very sad, sorry life...I really do feel bad for you.

[chr35919]

????i'd say it'lll end up being a wash. joba is unproven, lester not so much.

[ajgdrums7814]

see 07 ALCS
first part of the 08 season when the Media in Cleveland was bashing him

see last season for the yankee's and the whole Arod/Madonna thing

see Randy Johnson stats pitching for the yankee's and then for the Dbacks.

1. You're basing your opinion of Sabathia on one playoff series? That's what, 2 starts? You cannot deduce ANYTHING meaningful from that. Nothing.

2. A-Rod / Madonna thing? Sorry, I'm not looking at the tabloids, I'm looking at A-Rod's 150 OPS+ and 35/103 stat line in a year where he missed 24 games.

3. Randy Johnson didn't pitch up to expectations in New York, no, but he was very adequate in his first year. He had a terrible second year. He was also age 41 and 42 when he came to New York. So I don't know what your point is.

[scrock25]

1. You're basing your opinion of Sabathia on one playoff series? That's what 2 starts? You cannot deduce ANYTHING meaningful from that. Nothing.

2. A-Rod / Madonna thing? Sorry, I'm not looking at the tabloids, I'm looking at A-Rod's 150+ and 35/103 stat line in a year where he missed 24 games.

3. Randy Johnson didn't pitch up to expectations in New York, no, but he was very adequate in his first year. He had a terrible second year. He was also age 41 and 42 when he came to New York. So I don't know what your point is.

That's almost a MONTH's worth of games for those who don't know.

[chr35919]

is a-rod still highlighting his hair?

[ajgdrums7814]

is a-rod still highlighting his hair?

He can dye it pink for all I care, as long as he keeps putting up numbers.

[chr35919]

He can dye it pink for all I care, as long as he keeps putting up numbers.just asking

[groton]

But A-Rod won two MVP awards in NYC??? Just sayin'.

And no, no titles....but I'd hardly say he's crumbled.

what is his stats when the game is on the line? late in game/Close games and so on. he is a good hitter but he never preforms when the game is on the line.

as for the first bold.....well, its just ironic.

3rd at best, i say, wishful thinking on your part.

As for the 3rd bold....how do you know this? Seems like more wishful thinking.

I wont respond to you like I would someone else who calls me an idiot for no reason because I know you have learning disabilities...but seriously, try to control yourself and think before you speak.

and moron...when i typed ???? I was wondering why he thought Lester was better than Joba...bc the numbers dont say so...

you have a very sad, sorry life...I really do feel bad for you.

the numbers say's it all really. Joba had a bit more then 100 innings pitched as a starter. Lester has had a bit more then 2 years as a starter including a WS start. Lester has proven he is a good pitcher who can dominate games see the last part of last season.

1. You're basing your opinion of Sabathia on one playoff series? That's what, 2 starts? You cannot deduce ANYTHING meaningful from that. Nothing.

2. A-Rod / Madonna thing? Sorry, I'm not looking at the tabloids, I'm looking at A-Rod's 150 OPS+ and 35/103 stat line in a year where he missed 24 games.

3. Randy Johnson didn't pitch up to expectations in New York, no, but he was very adequate in his first year. He had a terrible second year. He was also age 41 and 42 when he came to New York. So I don't know what your point is.

That's almost a MONTH's worth of games for those who don't know.

not just 1 playoff series,also biased on how he preformed in the first part of last season and his personalty.

2 nice stats but see above how did he do when Runners were on base and they were ether winning by less then five runs or losing by the same amount not so good.



yeah he was hurt last season. but compare his stats to Manny from last season.

[jmudmbphan]

what is his stats when the game is on the line? late in game/Close games and so on. he is a good hitter but he never preforms when the game is on the line.





the numbers say's it all really. Joba had a bit more then 100 innings pitched as a starter. Lester has had a bit more then 2 years as a starter including a WS start. Lester has proven he is a good pitcher who can dominate games see the last part of last season.





not just 1 playoff series,also biased on how he preformed in the first part of last season and his personalty.

2 nice stats but see above how did he do when Runners were on base and they were ether winning by less then five runs or losing by the same amount not so good.



yeah he was hurt last season. but compare his stats to Manny from last season.

there really is no use in talking to you about anything...you have proved time and time again you lack the mental capability to discuss and argue like a person over the age of 12. Good luck in life.

[Trippin4136]

your a idiot.


CC is just like the Big Unit someone who does good maybe even great outside of the media attention. put him in a market like Boston or NYC and he crumbles just like Randy Johnson and Arod.

Except CC is not a 42-year-old breaking-down pitcher who spent the previous 8+ seasons in the NL...

[ajgdrums7814]

what is his stats when the game is on the line? late in game/Close games and so on. he is a good hitter but he never preforms when the game is on the line.





the numbers say's it all really. Joba had a bit more then 100 innings pitched as a starter. Lester has had a bit more then 2 years as a starter including a WS start. Lester has proven he is a good pitcher who can dominate games see the last part of last season.





not just 1 playoff series,also biased on how he preformed in the first part of last season and his personalty.

2 nice stats but see above how did he do when Runners were on base and they were ether winning by less then five runs or losing by the same amount not so good.



yeah he was hurt last season. but compare his stats to Manny from last season.

Rodriguez led MLB in GWRBI in '07. FYI.

And what the hell does Manny have to do with this? Manny had a better 2008 than A-Rod? I won't argue that. But what about 2007? I don't see what your point is at all.

A-Rod has been insanely good in NY. What are you trying to say?

[jmudmbphan]

Groton is mildly retarded and is emotionally disturbed...arguing with him is pretty much useless.


^not joking either.

[groton]

Groton is mildly retarded and is emotionally disturbed...arguing with him is pretty much useless.


^not joking either.

:lol:lol

both are vary false.

I have Dylexia and ADD not mild retardation.

I am also not emotional disturbed at all


you on the other hand is anouther story.

[scrock25]

Rodriguez led MLB in GWRBI in '07. FYI.

And what the hell does Manny have to do with this? Manny had a better 2008 than A-Rod? I won't argue that. But what about 2007? I don't see what your point is at all.

A-Rod has been insanely good in NY. What are you trying to say?

He's obviously reaching for straws to try to prove his point.

[crashintonickdm]

Groton is mildly retarded and is emotionally disturbed...arguing with him is pretty much useless.


^not joking either.

goddamn man, you're a fuckin asshole.

[jmudmbphan]

:lol:lol

both are vary false.

I have Dylexia and ADD not mild retardation.

I am also not emotional disturbed at all


you on the other hand is anouther story.


some say tomatoe, some say tomotoe

[Trippin4136]

You realize you put an "e" on tomato right?

Or else that's a damn fine self'ing.

[jmudmbphan]

You realize you put an "e" on tomato right?

Or else that's a damn fine self'ing.


I realize i did that.....i was trying to phonetically get the word across...thought the E might help.

[thehoss]

jesus, here we go. sucks nation, pissed because the yankees are "trying to buy championships". fuck me, i wish we had beckett in our farm system like you guys di.....oh, wait.

[jmudmbphan]

.....what are they gonna say when they go out and buy texeira?