Boston Red Sox

[Hench]

In an effort to be bipartisan in relation to the Yanks thread...

Show your love for the REAL greatest baseball team ever!! We'll just see which thread stays at the top longer :D

[FPrefect61]

In an effort to be bipartisan in relation to the Yanks thread...

Show your love for the REAL greatest baseball team ever!! We'll just see which thread stays at the top longer :D
:lol I'm gonna guess this stays 5.5 threads back, or however many games back the Sox are from the Yanks. :p

[DMBFan920]

wait, the greatest baseball team ever? I thought you said this was about the Red Sox? surely you meant the White Sox

[Hench]

:lol I'm gonna guess this stays 5.5 threads back, or however many games back the Sox are from the Yanks. :p
And the Yanks thread gets 26 more posts than this one, right? :rolleyes:

[FPrefect61]

And the Yanks thread gets 26 more posts than this one, right? :rolleyes:
:lol I like that.

There are a lot more Sox fans (both Red and White) than Yankees fans around here. I usually keep my mouth shut unless provoked.

Regardless of the outcome last year, that ALCS was one of the best playoff series I've ever seen, even better than the 2001 WS.

[Hench]

Regardless of the outcome last year, that ALCS was one of the best playoff series I've ever seen, even better than the 2001 WS.
Yeah man, I still remember that Saturday afternoon watching the one with all the fighting. So much tension, and a lot of it could have been avoided if that dickhead Manny had stayed calm. And yes, I love the Sox, but I fuckin hate Ramirez...I'll be happy the day he leaves Boston for good. Nomar too, funny we've only been in a slump since he came back...

[FPrefect61]

Yeah man, I still remember that Saturday afternoon watching the one with all the fighting. So much tension, and a lot of it could have been avoided if that dickhead Manny had stayed calm. And yes, I love the Sox, but I fuckin hate Ramirez...I'll be happy the day he leaves Boston for good. Nomar too, funny we've only been in a slump since he came back...
Didn't the slump start when Damon shaved the beard?

I thought the whole beard thing was silly, but it was cool how he turned it into charity work when he shaved it, pretty classy on his part.

Manny probably should have stayed calm, but I'll be one of the only Yankees fans to say that Zimmer should have kept his fat AARP ass on the bench and not go after Pedro...

[DMBfan41]

I used to think that the Yankees were just always better than the Sox. But, after last year, I know that the Sox are cursed.

I mean, Aaron Boone hits a home run off the one pitcher that the Yankees can not win. And then he gets hurt and the Yanks sign A-Rod.

The Sox are cursed.

Ha, go Yanks!

[pkpro1]

um.
wait till october fellas... and the curse shall return... AGAIN

[Hench]

Didn't the slump start when Damon shaved the beard?

I thought the whole beard thing was silly, but it was cool how he turned it into charity work when he shaved it, pretty classy on his part.
Not sure, but Damon's my favorite, and I thought the beard was pretty clutch. The ironic thing is he probably thought less about it than every other person on the planet who was aware of it.

And the charity thing was nice, I hope he keeps growing it out and doing it over and over again.

Oh, and his wife-to-be is super hot. Funny thing is, my friend Chris (ChrisVsomerandomnumber here on Ants)' boss' friend was married to her, and she left him for Damon. :lol

[UJCdream]

go sox! nice win tonight!

[twosteppn36]

:thumbsup i support this thread

[TheMadViolin]

Manny has gone from punk to hero this year in my opinion. He's talked to the press, offered to give up part of his salary to keep pedro and nomar next year... and *gasp* he is hustling like he wants it! Did anyone see the catch he made last night?

[fleckhead]

on a side note, my parents are up in Boston for the weekend. They're going to see the Philadelphia Sillies play the Sox tonight.

[moonska]

Manny has gone from punk to hero this year in my opinion. He's talked to the press, offered to give up part of his salary to keep pedro and nomar next year... and *gasp* he is hustling like he wants it! Did anyone see the catch he made last night?

Manny aint no hero, the sox dont have anything close to a hero.

[saxman1083]

:lol

As a Mets fan...and a Yankees hater...I can still laugh at the fact that you call the BoSox the greatest ball club ever. Man come on, you guys couldn't even beat the damn Mets in the World Series.

[mihighdavehead]

Just want to give Pedro props for drilling Sheffield :thumbsup

That shit was funny :lol

[DMBfan41]

Red Sox will never be best. They will always be second.

And Manny is a punk. The Red Sox don't want him, nobody else wants him. He's an overpayed overrated ballplayer.

[jhlc8898]

stick a fork in the sox at leat sox fans can enjoy the rest of the summer and look forward to football season
Jamie

[DebbieS]

they're doubly cursed now...Manny's on the cover of SI this week

[TheMadViolin]

Well here's why I like the red sox...

I know they just got swept by the yankees, but look at the teams next to each other. It looks like the Mighty Ducks or the Big Green. On one side you have the clean shaved Yankees, all bred for one task in life... baseball. They are all physically in great shape, some of the best position players at every space on the field. On the other side, you have the Red Sox.... who look like a bunch of guys from your back neighborhood playing ball. You have Caveman Damon, beer belly Millar, the goony Ramirez, Ortiz, a pitcher in Wakefield that looks like he plays slow pitch softball, Schilling the guy that never stops talking. Come on, how can you not love a team that resembles well.... us? Thats why the Red Sox are fun to me. They are the bunch of disfunctional kids that are trying to get it done.

[smallwaise]

They are the bunch of disfunctional kids that are trying to get it done.
and failing miserably as of late

[smallwaise]

And Manny is a punk. The Red Sox don't want him, nobody else wants him. He's an overpayed overrated ballplayer.
...... he's better then any hitter on the yankees.

[cwsrule88]

wait, the greatest baseball team ever? I thought you said this was about the Red Sox? surely you meant the White Sox
damn straight. the white sox are going to the playoffs with garcia

[DMBfan41]

...... he's better then any hitter on the yankees.

beg to differ. Pick your death. Sheffield or A-Rod.

[gravedigger13]

If Nomar gets voted into the All-Star game a classy move would be to give up his spot.

[FPrefect61]

If Nomar gets voted into the All-Star game a classy move would be to give up his spot.
After last night, I'll never use the words Nomar and classy in the same sentence again. Unless it's to say something like, "Nomar's not classy." Atrocious his lack of support and passion last night.

[gravedigger13]

After last night, I'll never use the words Nomar and classy in the same sentence again. Unless it's to say something like, "Nomar's not classy." Atrocious his lack of support and passion last night.

What was the deal with him? I fell asleep before I could catch the fallout from that game on Sportscenter.

[FPrefect61]

What was the deal with him? I fell asleep before I could catch the fallout from that game on Sportscenter.
I don't really know. Someone around here said he's part of a 3 way trade, that's why he didn't show any support.

I think he's just a heartless crybaby. I know he's upset that the Sox turned their back on him to get A-Rod, but get over it already. They put Manny on waivers for Christ's sake. You don't see him bitching about it. He still goes out and plays his short attention span ass off.

[UNC41]

beg to differ. Pick your death. Sheffield or A-Rod.

Manny is a better hitter than both of them, plus he's not surrounded with a great lineup that gives those two lots of protection.

[gravedigger13]

Well they're never gonna break the curse if they keep that up.

[UNC41]

If Nomar gets voted into the All-Star game a classy move would be to give up his spot.

Same to Jeter.

[gravedigger13]

Same to Jeter.

:lol Even that's pushing it a little.

[redsoxiluv]

Oh man...extra innings again. Let's hope for a better outcome this time around...

[gravedigger13]

I don't know how you Red Sox fans view Clemens, but what would be the general consensus if he got traded back to the Red Sox? I think if the Astros stink up the joint in the second half, he's headed to NY or Boston.

[Hench]

Ahh, I was hoping this would get resurrected. I'd love having Clemens back, but he won't leave Houston. The only reason he agreed not to retire was because he could be so close to home pitching for the Astros. So he's not going anywhere.

The prospect of the Randy Johnson trade, however, excites me. Nomar to Chi Cubs, Cubs send three prospects to Arizona, D'Backs send Johnson to Boston.

It would be perfect. Slumping Nomar would be gone, making way for Pokey to move over to short. Bellhorn's the new second baseman, Mueller at third, and Youkilis who just got sent back to Pawtucket (boo!!) returns as back up. Red Sox starting pitchers go Martinez, Schilling, Johnson, Lowe, Wakefield...aside from a temporarily rutted Lowe, that's strong. Arroyo is backup starter, and Burger King Kim goes directly to hell, does not pass go or collect 200 dollars.

I've really thought all this out. Epstein and Francona deny it, but I'm not ruling it out. Schilling and Johnson are really good friends...it could happen. My fantasy.

[nabennet]

REAL greatest team ever?

then why don't they win?

[gravedigger13]

Ahh, I was hoping this would get resurrected. I'd love having Clemens back, but he won't leave Houston. The only reason he agreed not to retire was because he could be so close to home pitching for the Astros. So he's not going anywhere.

The prospect of the Randy Johnson trade, however, excites me. Nomar to Chi Cubs, Cubs send three prospects to Arizona, D'Backs send Johnson to Boston.

It would be perfect. Slumping Nomar would be gone, making way for Pokey to move over to short. Bellhorn's the new second baseman, Mueller at third, and Youkilis who just got sent back to Pawtucket (boo!!) returns as back up. Red Sox starting pitchers go Martinez, Schilling, Johnson, Lowe, Wakefield...aside from a temporarily rutted Lowe, that's strong. Arroyo is backup starter, and Burger King Kim goes directly to hell, does not pass go or collect 200 dollars.

I've really thought all this out. Epstein and Francona deny it, but I'm not ruling it out. Schilling and Johnson are really good friends...it could happen. My fantasy.

I read that Clemens would be willing to leave Houston if it helped out the Astros. Nomar to Clemens - straight up.

[Hench]

Do you have a link for where you read that?

[gravedigger13]

Do you have a link for where you read that?

Right here. (http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=kruk/040716)

Don't laugh too hard since it's John Kruk, but that's what I read. It just got me thinking that there might be a slim chance he would go back to Boston.

The Red Sox window of oppurtunity to win the World Series is slowly closing, IMO. Now's the time.

[MistreatedLewis]

I'd like to see the Red Socks with either pitcher... Johnson or Clemens.

I'm not going to lie, it really pisses me off that Johnson wants to go to the Yankees so much. The Yankees are such a fuckin lock it's ridiculous.

[nabennet]

why do people hate the yankees for winning?

would people hate the cubs if they won the next 20 world series?

[gravedigger13]

why do people hate the yankees for winning?

would people hate the cubs if they won the next 20 world series?

It's not so much that they're winning, it's how they're doing it.

[MistreatedLewis]

why do people hate the yankees for winning?

would people hate the cubs if they won the next 20 world series?


If the Yanks were winning every year with a $100 million payroll, I'd have far less complaints.

[gravedigger13]

If the Yanks were winning every year with a $100 million payroll, I'd have far less complaints.

If they add Johnson, they're payroll will hit $200 million.

Hmmm, maybe that's what they need to do.

[magentaflash]

Do you think the Nation would welcome Clemens back with open arms? I know I wouldn't. Yeah, we're in a slump right now, but I honestly don't think we need him. All you need is Damon ;)

[Pig(..)_Duff]

clemons would be great back in boston, i really dont think kruk is right though that clemons will leave.

There is only two things worse than the yankees, and thats the red fox and their "ohh poor us we are cursed" fans.

[magentaflash]

There is only two things worse than the yankees, and thats the red fox and their "ohh poor us we are cursed" fans.

oh no you didn't. :twak

[twosteppn36]

oh no you didn't. :twak



and another :twak :twak

[Hench]

If the Yanks were winning every year with a $100 million payroll, I'd have far less complaints.
Amen. I hadn't heard Johnson was so gung-ho for the Bronx. All I know is I hope the Sox make at least one big name trade before the deadline. Not only will they get a star player, it'll help to rejuvenate themselves a little and get back on track.

All you need is Damon ;)
:thumbsup WWJDD?

[Pig(..)_Duff]

and another :twak :twak

oh no you didn't. :twak

Oh yes I did.

The only good thing about boston baseball is their ball park. Besides that they should just stop trying to get the big name stars, cuz that isnt ever going to work. They would find better success going the ways of the angles last year or something like that. Decent players, but nothing special. all they are doing now is wasting money cuz as long as steinbrener is putting out the money there is no point in boston trying to compete in the buying of players. They (red sox) go spend big bucks on semi-decent players (a la manny), and they end up finishing second all the time. Try something new, go with cheap decent talent, work on chemistry and the wins will come. keep the money with the pitchers, and wins will come.

The red sox make horrible decisions, plain and simple. We arent talking a curse we are talking stupidity.

[gravedigger13]

semi-decent players (a la manny)

:freak

[DMBfan41]

If the Yanks were winning every year with a $100 million payroll, I'd have far less complaints.

and what if god forbid, the red sox won? They don't have a $100 million payroll. Would you complain about that?

[TheMadViolin]

Yes, you're absolutely right. The Red Sox have made terrible decisions in the past 2 years picking up players

Ortiz- RBI Leader in the AL (hmm.. I don't remember him being expensive)
Mueller- AL Batting Champion Last Year (I believe this is what you call.... cheap talent)
Schilling- 2nd best Pitcher in the AL this year
Foulke- Slipped a couple times near the break, but was automatic before then.

The players that are letting them down are the guys they've had forever. Nomar has been just plain awful when it counts, Lowe shouldn't even have to be mentioned with how bad he is. And as for semi-decent Manny.. if it weren't for a guy named Vladimir Guerrero he would probably be the MVP in the American League this year.

[DMBfan41]

Yes, you're absolutely right. The Red Sox have made terrible decisions in the past 2 years picking up players

Ortiz- RBI Leader in the AL (hmm.. I don't remember him being expensive)
Mueller- AL Batting Champion Last Year (I believe this is what you call.... cheap talent)
Schilling- 2nd best Pitcher in the AL this year
Foulke- Slipped a couple times near the break, but was automatic before then.

The players that are letting them down are the guys they've had forever. Nomar has been just plain awful when it counts, Lowe shouldn't even have to be mentioned with how bad he is. And as for semi-decent Manny.. if it weren't for a guy named Vladimir Guerrero he would probably be the MVP in the American League this year.

they make good decisions, but its the bad decisions that hurt them. Like trading Babe Ruth and not wanting to give Alex Rodriguez more money.

[Hench]

...not wanting to give Alex Rodriguez more money.
Greed. Probably an emotion that comes into play more often in relation to the Yanks' dealings than the Sox'.

[DMBfan41]

Greed. Probably an emotion that comes into play more often in relation to the Yanks' dealings than the Sox'.

If you wanna do whatever it takes to win, i would say thats a good way of playing baseball.

[Hench]

If you wanna do whatever it takes to win, i would say thats a good way of playing baseball.
So by your logic, if Mike Tyson were to take on a 5'7 140 pound guy, that would be fair?

[Dmb4uanme]

So by your logic, if Mike Tyson were to take on a 5'7 140 pound guy, that would be fair?

Thats its it bro, take it to them:violent

[nabennet]

i think people are so dumb to complain about the money. the entire point of pro sports is to be entertaining to watch. there is absolutely no other point no matter what anyone says in the world. people should like the teams that are fun to watch. i like the cubs cause they play an exciting game. they fuck up in the end but oh well. but i don't like them as much when they get raped in the ass every game. its not fun to watch. the same goes for any other team. i like the yankees. i like the players and the team. its fun to see them rock the bats and and bitch slap the other teams offense. i like the playing style of the players. who gives a fuck if they spend a lot of money. i would much rather have them do that and give me some entertainment then play it fair and make it all boring as shit.

[magentaflash]

Manny- SEMI-decent???? What's his batting average again?

[Noles20]

I thought the Sox had a large fan base? Your thread is barely 3 pages! Check out our Phillies thread. Blows you guys away.

[Hench]

Sox fans have better things to do than sit online all day long?

Shut down.

[minigunmorgan4]

i support this thread

[DMBfan41]

So by your logic, if Mike Tyson were to take on a 5'7 140 pound guy, that would be fair?

if that 5'7 140 pound guy is the heavyweight champion of the world then yeah.

[airr233]

Yes, because John Henry and company really wanted to trade Babe Ruth. They wouldn't have traded him not because he was the home run king but his on base percentage has to be nasty. If it wasn't, it doesn't matter how many home runs you hit, its how you get on base. If anyone listens to WEEI, I believe on the Big Show yesterday, Tony Massorotti said, that home runs are overrated, he could be right or he could be wrong.

[ziggyosk]

Yankees Suck! Whos with me?

[flying_gibbon]

Yankees Suck! Whos with me?
i am! tigers shut down yankees 8-0 today. i'm a huge fan of: Tigers, Red Sox, Cubs. i also like the philies a lot.

mike maroth and kerry wood are my 2 favorite players. mike maroth pitched a complete game, shutout, 1 hitter against the yankees tonight. best game of his career and i was at the game. what a great game to see him pitch live for the first time, eh?

[magentaflash]

Yankees Suck! Whos with me?


what what

[redsoxiluv]

If anyone listens to WEEI, I believe on the Big Show yesterday, Tony Massorotti said, that home runs are overrated, he could be right or he could be wrong.
After the SOSH Maz-Schilling fiasco, I lost a lot of respect for him...
Besides, they don't seem so overrated right now, as Ortiz just homered to put the Sox ahead 3-1 :)

I do understand the argument that OBP is more important than slugging percentage, though, and there's probably something to that (though I'm not convinced a point of OBP is worth 3x more than slugging, as Moneyball argues)

[flying_gibbon]

nice red sox. nice.

[ziggyosk]

If you wanna do whatever it takes to win, i would say thats a good way of playing baseball.
a-rod getting more money that the Devil Rays is not good

[ziggyosk]

After the SOSH Maz-Schilling fiasco, I lost a lot of respect for him...
Besides, they don't seem so overrated right now, as Ortiz just homered to put the Sox ahead 3-1 :)

I do understand the argument that OBP is more important than slugging percentage, though, and there's probably something to that (though I'm not convinced a point of OBP is worth 3x more than slugging, as Moneyball argues)
its all about OPS baby!

[airr233]

After the SOSH Maz-Schilling fiasco, I lost a lot of respect for him...
Besides, they don't seem so overrated right now, as Ortiz just homered to put the Sox ahead 3-1 :)

I do understand the argument that OBP is more important than slugging percentage, though, and there's probably something to that (though I'm not convinced a point of OBP is worth 3x more than slugging, as Moneyball argues)
I agree with you on that one, he shouldn't have wrote about what was on SOSH but Schilling should also know that media people are sneaky and will do whatever they can to get a story. Now the red sox just need to get on a good streak on the road, and nothing like a horrific seattle team to start against.

[DMBfan41]

a-rod getting more money that the Devil Rays is not good

talk to the drunken redneck owner of the Rangers. Then talk to George and see how he got A-Rod for a hell of a price.

And then talk to the Red Sox owner whose not even a fan of the team. So, why should he care if the Red Sox win or not. He just cares about the money. Atleast George is willing to spend his own money to see his favorite team win.

[ziggyosk]

talk to the drunken redneck owner of the Rangers. Then talk to George and see how he got A-Rod for a hell of a price.

And then talk to the Red Sox owner whose not even a fan of the team. So, why should he care if the Red Sox win or not. He just cares about the money. Atleast George is willing to spend his own money to see his favorite team win.
I agree that all that george cares about is his team winning. And I will admit that anyone would want their favorite team's ower to do all he could to win. But i know you will not find anyone outside of yankee's fans that think what they are doing is good for the game of baseball.

[DMBfan41]

I agree that all that george cares about is his team winning. And I will admit that anyone would want their favorite team's ower to do all he could to win. But i know you will not find anyone outside of yankee's fans that think what they are doing is good for the game of baseball.

oh yeah, i know that. That's just unfortunate. Because it actually is good for the game. If it wasn't for the Yankees, attendance sales would be down, merchandise sales would be down, and baseball wouldn't be baseball. Not to mention baseball ratings.

Without the yankees, baseball is just not the same.

[magentaflash]

oh yeah, i know that. That's just unfortunate. Because it actually is good for the game. If it wasn't for the Yankees, attendance sales would be down, merchandise sales would be down, and baseball wouldn't be baseball. Not to mention baseball ratings.

Without the yankees, baseball is just not the same.

To be fair, I think this could be said about any team. Baseball wouldn't be baseball to me without the Sox and the Orioles. My father would say the same about the Tigers, and my brother would most likely say the same thing about the A's. It's a relative statement.

[DMBfan41]

To be fair, I think this could be said about any team. Baseball wouldn't be baseball to me without the Sox and the Orioles. My father would say the same about the Tigers, and my brother would most likely say the same thing about the A's. It's a relative statement.

of course, all of the teams that have a part in baseball history are important to baseball.

But, in today's baseball world, baseball needs the yankees.

[airr233]

Baseball needs the Yankees as much as they need the Red Sox or any other original team, I think they could do without expansion teams no offense to any fans of those teams.

[gbs3769]

1918. That is all.

- Matt

[TheMadViolin]

I believe baseball needs the Red Sox and Yankees equally. They are such an amazing rival that if one of them disapeared, baseball would not be the same. The Yankees are important because they are the big bad team that wins all the time... and you either like them or completely hate them. The Red Sox are equally important for their inability to capture a championship. Their fan base is so powerful and loyal its quite amazing. Have you ever been near Fenway Park during a Yankees and Red Sox game? The Red Sox brings a fanbase that has an unmatched passion for the game. Casual viewers of baseball cannot help but be intrigued by the team who's history mirrors a story book. It is interesting when the Yankees compete for the Series because well... they are the Yankees. But everytime the Red Sox get close, baseball pulls in viewers that may not normally watch. Its kind of like the classic movie scene where the hero is getting horribly abused, but he keeps standing up only to get another punch/kick. It hurts, but you keep watching, because you know that sometime the hero is finally going to duck the punch and land one of his own. Do you prefer the hero that dodges every bullet and always wins or the hero that gets smashed down most of the movie but comes back with a triumphant ending? Thats the decision between the Sox and Yankees

[magentaflash]

I believe baseball needs the Red Sox and Yankees equally. They are such an amazing rival that if one of them disapeared, baseball would not be the same. The Yankees are important because they are the big bad team that wins all the time... and you either like them or completely hate them. The Red Sox are equally important for their inability to capture a championship. Their fan base is so powerful and loyal its quite amazing. Have you ever been near Fenway Park during a Yankees and Red Sox game? The Red Sox brings a fanbase that has an unmatched passion for the game. Casual viewers of baseball cannot help but be intrigued by the team who's history mirrors a story book. It is interesting when the Yankees compete for the Series because well... they are the Yankees. But everytime the Red Sox get close, baseball pulls in viewers that may not normally watch. Its kind of like the classic movie scene where the hero is getting horribly abused, but he keeps standing up only to get another punch/kick. It hurts, but you keep watching, because you know that sometime the hero is finally going to duck the punch and land one of his own. Do you prefer the hero that dodges every bullet and always wins or the hero that gets smashed down most of the movie but comes back with a triumphant ending? Thats the decision between the Sox and Yankees


Extremely well put. I go for the team with heart rather than the team with cash.

[airr233]

Keith Foulke, I want to go to sleep why did you have to blow like your 3rd straight save, I thought you were a machine. Hopefully, the Sox can win this game but it seems like they can never win extra innings games on the road.

[pkpro1]

I believe baseball needs the Red Sox and Yankees equally. They are such an amazing rival that if one of them disapeared, baseball would not be the same. The Yankees are important because they are the big bad team that wins all the time... and you either like them or completely hate them. The Red Sox are equally important for their inability to capture a championship. Their fan base is so powerful and loyal its quite amazing. Have you ever been near Fenway Park during a Yankees and Red Sox game? The Red Sox brings a fanbase that has an unmatched passion for the game. Casual viewers of baseball cannot help but be intrigued by the team who's history mirrors a story book. It is interesting when the Yankees compete for the Series because well... they are the Yankees. But everytime the Red Sox get close, baseball pulls in viewers that may not normally watch. Its kind of like the classic movie scene where the hero is getting horribly abused, but he keeps standing up only to get another punch/kick. It hurts, but you keep watching, because you know that sometime the hero is finally going to duck the punch and land one of his own. Do you prefer the hero that dodges every bullet and always wins or the hero that gets smashed down most of the movie but comes back with a triumphant ending? Thats the decision between the Sox and Yankees

fenway park is full of mostly corporate fans. it's so difficult to snatch a ticket from any one of the fortune 500 companies that have a plot behind right field in fenway.
comparatively, yankees stadium has more pinstripe-bleeding fans that know more about baseball than you could imagine.

[CornellDMBfan]

:thumbsup BOOYAH, BABY! Mariners Win! Mariners Win! get out the bread, grandma, cuz it's GRAND SALAMI TIME!

[redsoxiluv]

Poor Bronson Arroyo...what does the kid have to do to get a win? :(
He's pitched so much better than his stats indicate...

[airr233]

When Arroyo is on the mound, I feel the sox could play a good game. I think of him as the #3 starter.

[nabennet]

i like how the red sox fans always complain that the yankees have too much money. if the red sox were as good as they brag that they are shouldn't they be able to beat the money team. it can be done. look at the lakers. i think the sox fans just whine to make up for the fact that they just can't cut it.

[magentaflash]

It's not just Bosox fans, it's all of the rest of baseball. Like I said, I'd rather watch a team with heart than a bunch of pretty boy buy offs any day.

[asmjm39]

:thumbsup BOOYAH, BABY! Mariners Win! Mariners Win! get out the bread, grandma, cuz it's GRAND SALAMI TIME!



I wish we could say that more often around here

[nabennet]

It's not just Bosox fans, it's all of the rest of baseball. Like I said, I'd rather watch a team with heart than a bunch of pretty boy buy offs any day.
just would all of the yankees players have heart if they played for the sox?

i'm sure you'd think so.

they players have tons of heart. they just happen to get paid a lot for it.

[ziggyosk]

i like how the red sox fans always complain that the yankees have too much money. if the red sox were as good as they brag that they are shouldn't they be able to beat the money team. it can be done. look at the lakers. i think the sox fans just whine to make up for the fact that they just can't cut it.
it is true that we complain alot about the yankee's money, even when we have more money than alot of other teams. But look at the spread, the Yankees have almost $100 million more in payroll than we do. Thats alot of freakin money. The difference between the sox and the next lower is like $10 million. See the difference

[nabennet]

it doesn't matter though. money doesn't make players good. just because someone gets paid 10 mil more than a red sox player, doesn't mean he can hit off pedro.

[magentaflash]

just would all of the yankees players have heart if they played for the sox?

i'm sure you'd think so.

they players have tons of heart. they just happen to get paid a lot for it.

Would I suddenly become a Derek Jeter fan if he were to be traded to the Sox? No. I prefer playing over posing for the cameras. That being said, they may have heart, but it's easy to have heart when Steinbrener is signing your paychecks.

[nabennet]

Would I suddenly become a Derek Jeter fan if he were to be traded to the Sox? No. I prefer playing over posing for the cameras. That being said, they may have heart, but it's easy to have heart when Steinbrener is signing your paychecks.if you get paid to play sports and you can't have extreme amounts of heart there is something seriously wrong.

[pkpro1]

It's not just Bosox fans, it's all of the rest of baseball. Like I said, I'd rather watch a team with heart than a bunch of pretty boy buy offs any day.

yankees players have all the heart for the game. they know the history, they run out every grounder, they train just as much as any other team.
go watch a game in NY and you'll see jeter/giambi/rodriguez/and Co. run out every single play every at bat.
if there's a chance that they don't- somebody else will likely get on their case.

as far as posing for cameras and the media, that's part of playing in new york.

[redsoxiluv]

:eek: horrible horrible game tonight. how is it possible that they went 9-1 in games I attended last year, and are now 0-3 in ones I see this year? and i thought with pedro on the mound this unpleasant personal streak would come to an end. now my own family's telling me to stay away from fenway :violent
the only cool thing about tonight was hearing tripping billies played between the 7th and 8th...first time I ever heard dmb at fenway. love it when my obsessions overlap (as my sig indicates).

[chiznaz]

:thumbsup BOOYAH, BABY! Mariners Win! Mariners Win! get out the bread, grandma, cuz it's GRAND SALAMI TIME!
i was at the game. 26th row behind home plate. I was visiting Seattle for the week.... and I must say that was an incredible game. When they put Edgar in to pinch hit.... I could see it coming. What a game.

[Hench]

:eek: horrible horrible game tonight. how is it possible that they went 9-1 in games I attended last year, and are now 0-3 in ones I see this year? and i thought with pedro on the mound this unpleasant personal streak would come to an end. now my own family's telling me to stay away from fenway :violentYeah, this season's starting to get embarrasing. I was in the fens playing frisbee during the game, and it was probably more satisfying than going to see them lose to yet another sub-par team. :(

[magentaflash]

My only advice, stay out of the Fens at night :p

[redsoxiluv]

Yeah, this season's starting to get embarrasing. I was in the fens playing frisbee during the game, and it was probably more satisfying than going to see them lose to yet another sub-par team. :(
And here we go again. If we can't make a comeback, or at the very least win the second game tonight I really don't know what I'll do with myself.

but even so, I'll probably still spend hours in line for standing room only tickets this weekend against the Yanks...I lose all self restraint when the Sox are involved.

[nabennet]

yeah and if you lose to the yanks its cause they have more money right? even thought you lost to all the poor teams too. i think its just a sign the red sox aren't any good.

[Hench]

but even so, I'll probably still spend hours in line for standing room only tickets this weekend against the Yanks...I lose all self restraint when the Sox are involved.
Pick me up some tix!

No seriously, if you were gonna wait in line for hours and hours I'd be more than happy to come meet you right when the box office opens and give you money to grab some for me too. :lol

[redsoxiluv]

Pick me up some tix!

No seriously, if you were gonna wait in line for hours and hours I'd be more than happy to come meet you right when the box office opens and give you money to grab some for me too. :lol
would if I could, but there's a 2 ticket per person limit for Yankees games. But if you feel like waiting in line, let me know...the more the merrier:)

[Hench]

would if I could, but there's a 2 ticket per person limit for Yankees games. But if you feel like waiting in line, let me know...the more the merrier:)
Yeah I might do that if you're going Saturday or Sunday, Friday night's busy. PM me and we can exchange info so I can figure out when you're going.

[redsoxiluv]

yeah and if you lose to the yanks its cause they have more money right? even thought you lost to all the poor teams too. i think its just a sign the red sox aren't any good.
Hey, I never claimed that...the Sox are certainly not living up to their potential and I'm not going to argue the money point when we have the second hightest payroll in the majors (although admittedly, the difference between $185 and $120 million, or whatever the final numbers came to, is fairly substantial). It's just hard to watch a team with so much talent play like this...reminds me a bit of the 2002 Sox (7 allstars, Pedro and Lowe with amazing seasons, and a major flop).

[greppson]

HELL YEAH RED SOX!!!

tell me THAT wasn't a win!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :):) :bounce

NOBODY can say that the sox don't come through in the clutch anymore!

[loogs91]

WOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!
What a game!!!

[airr233]

could this be the turnaround game that the Sox needed?

[timmyt23]

That was an amazing ending to an event filled game.

[tomwastintime]

great game

crappy pitching

[Hench]

I was there...best game of baseball I've ever witnessed in person.

[flying_gibbon]

wow. thats all i have to say

[pkpro1]

I was there...best game of baseball I've ever witnessed in person.
it's the only game they'll have to smile about all season... so bask in the sunlight while ya'll can :)

[pkpro1]

HELL YEAH RED SOX!!!

tell me THAT wasn't a win!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :):) :bounce

NOBODY can say that the sox don't come through in the clutch anymore!
the red sox don't come through the clutch :D

[ziggyosk]

HELL YEAH RED SOX!!!

tell me THAT wasn't a win!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :):) :bounce

NOBODY can say that the sox don't come through in the clutch anymore!

:thumbsup HELL YEAH!! THAT WAS FREAKIN AWESOME!! I was watching the whole time and when Varitek popped Gay-Rod in the mouth I was sreaming. Kapler, Ortiz and Nixon tag-teaming on Sturtze was sweet too.
Oh yeah, WE WON, WHOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!! Rivera has 5 blown saves at fenway, the most of anyplace he's been. I thought for sure we were done for. I hope this will give them the kick in the A$$ that they needed. If they make the playoffs this will no doubt be talked about as the game that turned the season around.

[dmb1spe]

The HoSox are a bunch of classless punks. Enjoy your win homos... I'll take all of ours in October.

[Trainer2375]

i can't wait to see the highlights of this game, i wish it would have been on fox out here instead of the stupid giants game

glad the Sox got a W over the yanks, hopefully tomorrow they will do the same! :)

[Rdedeian]

I'm going tomorrow night so I hope the energy continues.


Seeing Varitek pop A-Rod was awesome, but I couldn't care less cause I hate both teams.

[greppson]

The HoSox are a bunch of classless punks. Enjoy your win homos... I'll take all of ours in October.
way too be classy by calling them the "hosox" and calling all of us homos.

[DMBfan41]

could this be the turnaround game that the Sox needed?

definately!! Only 8.5 games to go. :rolleyes:

[Lcsulla]

I take every diplomatic thing I ever said about the Red Sox back. Fuck them all. How's the view from 8 and a half back?

[timg1414]

i would agree they are the best team ever since i waste money on season tix every year... but right now they suck big time... it seems dmb fans are big sox fans spac night 2 yankee cheer night 1 hartford lets go red sox chant night 2 hartford yankees suck chant i think dmb fans are on to something...:twak yankee fans

[JTRain]

I take every diplomatic thing I ever said about the Red Sox back. Fuck them all. How's the view from 8 and a half back?


Haha.

[mithil]

go cubs!

but go bosox as well

[Lcsulla]

Honestly, I wish it had happened one batter eariler... Sheffield would have dumped Varitek in a heartbeat. I even used to like Tek until a few hours ago but at this point he's just a has been moron. When Nomar got hit by Gordon last night the entire world knew retailiation was coming today... why didn't Tek just let Alex bitch all the way to first instead of inciting a brawl? Takes a big man to start a fight when it's 9 on 1! Ahh well.... try and make the playoffs so the groundcrew can scrape paint off the ground again....

[DMBfan41]

i would agree they are the best team ever since i waste money on season tix every year... but right now they suck big time... it seems dmb fans are big sox fans spac night 2 yankee cheer night 1 hartford lets go red sox chant night 2 hartford yankees suck chant i think dmb fans are on to something...:twak yankee fans

Uhhh, yeah. People that go to hartford shows are from the massachusettes/vermont/connecticut area and most of the area is red sox fans?

[timmyt23]

Shouting baseball chants at shows is poo.

[ziggyosk]

Honestly, I wish it had happened one batter eariler... Sheffield would have dumped Varitek in a heartbeat. I even used to like Tek until a few hours ago but at this point he's just a has been moron. When Nomar got hit by Gordon last night the entire world knew retailiation was coming today... why didn't Tek just let Alex bitch all the way to first instead of inciting a brawl? Takes a big man to start a fight when it's 9 on 1! Ahh well.... try and make the playoffs so the groundcrew can scrape paint off the ground again....
You are calling Tek the moron? GAY-ROD is the one that that was inciting the fight to begin with. "F-U, F-U, F-U, Mother F'er, C'mon" Yeah I see where Varitek is to blame. GAY-ROD is a whiney B!tch, he got what he deserved. Dont ask for a fight then complain when you get one. Oh, and I dont think Sheffield would take down tek if GAY-ROD can't, GAY-ROD is pretty freakin big. :) But maybe we can re-schedule a tag team fight:
Tek and Ortiz vs. GAY-ROD and Sheff.

[dmb1spe]

way too be classy by calling them the "hosox" and calling all of us homos.
Actually Jason, the "homos" comment was directed at the players not you guys... you guys know I got nothing but love for the BoSox Ants.

However, Manny, Varitek, Nixon, and most importantly Pedro and Schilling can go find a metal pole and fornicate themselves.

[dmb1spe]

You are calling Tek the moron? GAY-ROD is the one that that was inciting the fight to begin with. "F-U, F-U, F-U, Mother F'er, C'mon" Yeah I see where Varitek is to blame. GAY-ROD is a whiney B!tch, he got what he deserved. Dont ask for a fight then complain when you get one. Oh, and I dont think Sheffield would take down tek if GAY-ROD can't, GAY-ROD is pretty freakin big. :) But maybe we can re-schedule a tag team fight:
Tek and Ortiz vs. GAY-ROD and Sheff.Gee... maybe he told the guy to fuck himself because he just got HIT IN THE GOD DAMN ARM!!!

[ziggyosk]

Gee... maybe he told the guy to fuck himself because he just got HIT IN THE GOD DAMN ARM!!!
Yeah he got hit the the elbow pad by an 82 MPH sinker. Gimme a break. Nomar didn't start screamin at gordon the night before when the pitch was alot closer to his head. I guess GAY-ROD is just showing everyone what a badass he is.

[dmb1spe]

Maybe Homar is just too much of a pussy to do anything about it other than walk down to first like a huge vagina.

Of course, he knew Pedro would be waiting with the ass beads and anal lube whenever he got back to the dugout.

[ziggyosk]

Maybe Homar is just too much of a pussy to do anything about it other than walk down to first like a huge vagina.

Of course, he knew Pedro would be waiting with the ass beads and anal lube whenever he got back to the dugout.
Or maybe thats what 90% of the players in MLB do when they get hit by a pitch. Unless you KNOW its intentional, I dont see a need to prove what a tough-guy you are. It was nice to see GAY-ROD get his ass beat though! Just dont say how we were class-less, when he started the fight. :)

[dmb1spe]

Yeah it was also nice to see Manny flip the fuck out on a pitch that didn't even get close to him last year in the ALCS. So don't bring that shit about how everyone except the Yankees just trots down to first. Ramirez went ballistic on a high fastball that was over the plate.

As for A-Rod getting his ass kicked... Varitek had his mask and helmet on. Hard to land a punch when our opponet has his gear on. Bitch.

[ziggyosk]

Yeah it was also nice to see Manny flip the fuck out on a pitch that didn't even get close to him last year in the ALCS. So don't bring that shit about how everyone except the Yankees just trots down to first. Ramirez went ballistic on a high fastball that was over the plate.

As for A-Rod getting his ass kicked... Varitek had his mask and helmet on. Hard to land a punch when our opponet has his gear on. Bitch.
Well as you know there was alot more on the line last year, and it was very tense being in the playoffs. Manny was looking for a pitch like that because of what pedro did(which is because of Karim Garcia's cheap shot to Walker). Manny is just. . well manny. I do not condone his actions, he lives in space. But Tim Mcarver is an ass because he was saying that GAY-ROD is now some warrior for what he did. The telecast was so biased it makes me sick. If it was manny yesterday, Screaming and Crying like a little girl to a rookie pitcher, who leads the AL in Hit batters, then the media would have went off on manny. GAY-ROD knew that Varitek had his mask on and he provoked the fight, what else do you want? Tell him not to start something next time.
Bitch

[dmb1spe]

I agree... A-Rod did achieve warrior status because of all the cheap shots Boston and other fans gave him about it being about the money, etc. They've said all along he wasn't even a real Yankee... well now he is in my book. And saying your player "lives in space" doesn't excuse him from being an asshole.

[dmb1spe]

And btw... Varitek should have kept his fucking mouth shut and none of that would have happened. Batters jaw at pitchers all the time on the way to first (ortiz, Manny, etc.) but because Varitek removed his mouth from Nomar's pole and proceeded to talk shit, A-Rod cowboyed up.

[ziggyosk]

I agree... A-Rod did achieve warrior status because of all the cheap shots Boston and other fans gave him about it being about the money, etc. They've said all along he wasn't even a real Yankee... well now he is in my book. And saying your player "lives in space" doesn't excuse him from being an asshole.
I said before i dont condone anything manny does. His living in space is not an excuse, its the truth.

[ziggyosk]

And btw... Varitek should have kept his fucking mouth shut and none of that would have happened. Batters jaw at pitchers all the time on the way to first (ortiz, Manny, etc.) but because Varitek removed his mouth from Nomar's pole and proceeded to talk shit, A-Rod cowboyed up.
And Catchers trash talk to the batters all the time too, so what.

[dmb1spe]

This is why I love this rivalry... a heated BoSox Yanks discussion on a DMB messageboard. Huurah!

[AggieDMBFan06]

In an effort to be bipartisan in relation to the Yanks thread...

Show your love for the REAL greatest baseball team ever!! We'll just see which thread stays at the top longer :D
gotta be kidding, I hate the yanks but they are way better than red sox.

go 'stros

[dmb1spe]

Hook 'Em Horns!!!!!!!!!

[ziggyosk]

This is why I love this rivalry... a heated BoSox Yanks discussion on a DMB messageboard. Huurah!
One thing we can agree on. (DMB makes 2):) We all can agree that the Sox-Yankees is the best rivalry in sports. Period

[dmb1spe]

Period.

[ziggyosk]

Sweet!

[UJCdream]

way to make the Yanks your bitch tonight, Sox. hell yeah.

[FPrefect61]

rival - n.

1. One who attempts to equal or surpass another, or who pursues the same object as another; a competitor.
2. One that equals or almost equals another in a particular respect.

I dunno, by dictionary definition, Boston's not really a rival of the Yankees. ;)

[UJCdream]

being 7.5 games out of first doesn't mean we're not rivals. bosox are doing what they can to try and catch up... either way you look at it... we're still second in the division and beat you 2 out of 3 this series.

we may never catch up to first, but we will definitely see you post season. you can count on that.

[FPrefect61]

being 7.5 games out of first doesn't mean we're not rivals. bosox are doing what they can to try and catch up... either way you look at it... we're still second in the division and beat you 2 out of 3 this series.

we may never catch up to first, but we will definitely see you post season. you can count on that.
I didn't mean just this season, but historically, of course. :)

I'd love to see another Yanks/Sox ALCS. I'll have another heart problem during it, but it'll be fun!

[pkpro1]

I didn't mean just this season, but historically, of course. :)

I'd love to see another Yanks/Sox ALCS. I'll have another heart problem during it, but it'll be fun!
:thumbsup

can't wait- it's the best time of year.

[UJCdream]

disappointment and all... last year's ALCS was one of the most exciting times of my life. i look forward to another one this year ;)

[dmb1spe]

Why? To see the Yankees play the Angels?

[gravedigger13]

hey hench, are you the same hench that Bill Simmons mentioned in his column?

[DMBfan41]

being 7.5 games out of first doesn't mean we're not rivals. bosox are doing what they can to try and catch up... either way you look at it... we're still second in the division and beat you 2 out of 3 this series.

we may never catch up to first, but we will definitely see you post season. you can count on that.

don't say that, just because the red sox can beat up a bullpen of unknowns and a worthless pitcher doesn't mean they will make the playoffs.

They gotta worry about the West. Those teams are right in the race as well

[magentaflash]

don't say that, just because the red sox can beat up a bullpen of unknowns and a worthless pitcher doesn't mean they will make the playoffs.

They gotta worry about the West. Those teams are right in the race as well


Riveriara is an unknown? Huh. Guess you're right then.

[DMBfan41]

Riveriara is an unknown? Huh. Guess you're right then.

Rivera blew a save, it happens. Its rare, but it happens. The Sox beat up the great crew of Proctor, Padilla, Heredia for the most part of their 2 victories.

[gravedigger13]

Because the Red Sox beat up on the Yankees pitching, there is an even greater chance that Randy Johnson is going to end up in NY. It would fit with Steinbrenner's knee-jerk reactions.

[DMBfan41]

Because the Red Sox beat up on the Yankees pitching, there is an even greater chance that Randy Johnson is going to end up in NY. It would fit with Steinbrenner's knee-jerk reactions.

johnson isn't going to the yankees. They don't really have any top prospects to trade for the likes of him.

And its not like they beat up on the top yankee pitchers. They beat Contreras and crappy bullpen pitchers that are there just to fill up the roster.

[hayduke]

They gotta worry about the West. Those teams are right in the race as well

This actually benefits the Bosox.

The West can beat each other up and play .500 ball and they can sneak into the Wild Card. Oh the beauty of the weighted schedule. Now all they have to do is beat Toronto, Baltimore and Tampa Bay. Which, of course, is hard to do when you can't win on the road.

dmc

[UJCdream]

hell yeah! 3 in a row... lets keep this momentum going!

[ziggyosk]

The Yankee's top pitchers are not doin well anyways, or on the DL. Who knows if Mussina or Brown will help at all, especially in Oct, they may be out again. If im the yanks i try to get Johnson as hard as I can, cause im not liking my rotation right about now.

[brydro]

all I know is look at both records dating back to april....

[brydro]

being 7.5 games out of first doesn't mean we're not rivals. bosox are doing what they can to try and catch up... either way you look at it... we're still second in the division and beat you 2 out of 3 this series.

we may never catch up to first, but we will definitely see you post season. you can count on that.

Thats an awfully bold prediction for a team that really doesnt have such a great record from the end of april till now....and is it great for the fans..Yes..but in the end it is no rivalry..26 to 0...say the yankees suck all you want...I'll laugh my way to October.....the real baseball season...

[magentaflash]

I may be wrong, but isn't the series in November this year?

If so, have fun in October. ;)

[brydro]

I may be wrong, but isn't the series in November this year?

If so, have fun in October. ;)


What would you know of series in October? Aaron Boone? close as those sox will ever come....you guys better lock down a wild card spot before making predictions of OCTOBER/NOVEMBER baseball...Im used to it...

[brydro]

I may be wrong, but isn't the series in November this year?

If so, have fun in October. ;)

October as in the playoffs I never said series....

[redsoxiluv]

Yes..but in the end it is no rivalry..
:lol right, no rivalry...because who's counting '49, '78 and '03 (which all came down to the last game), or, god forbid, the pennants in '46, '67, '75, '86 and the series in 1903, 1912, 1915, 1916 and 1918...

sigh...if only we could regain our early 20th century dominance. maybe the dropkick murphys' revival of the song "Tessie" (which lead the 1903 team to victory) will be the missing link :)

[brydro]

:lol right, no rivalry...because who's counting '49, '78 and '03 (which all came down to the last game), or, god forbid, the pennants in '46, '67, '75, '86 and the series in 1903, 1912, 1915, 1916 and 1918...

sigh...if only we could regain our early 20th century dominance. maybe the dropkick murphys' revival of the song "Tessie" (which lead the 1903 team to victory) will be the missing link :)


Get over yourself...you want me to post all the years of our pennants...no, cause their just wont be enough room...last games dont count dude...you lost! wow those pennants are impressive too bad they dont stack up to ours..which makes you a non rival...btw we dominated the 20 century...thats why we were labeled the team of the century...and you guys just labeled "cursed"! Enjoy another year of losing...and enjoy all ur free agents walking at the end of the year.... :) Theo cant hang...

[brydro]

:lol right, no rivalry...because who's counting '49, '78 and '03 (which all came down to the last game), or, god forbid, the pennants in '46, '67, '75, '86 and the series in 1903, 1912, 1915, 1916 and 1918...

sigh...if only we could regain our early 20th century dominance. maybe the dropkick murphys' revival of the song "Tessie" (which lead the 1903 team to victory) will be the missing link :)

you are a waste of the flesh on your bones...you are a waste of the air in your lungs...

[nubby]

Let's Go OAK-LAND!!!!

[redsoxiluv]

ouch...;)
well anyway you missed my point...the Red Sox wouldn't be such a frustrating team to root for if they actually weren't competitive. But to have as many close calls as we have had makes following this team particularly heartbreaking. I'm not trying to say that your team hasn't historically come out on top -- that would be ridiculous and would fly in the face of history from the 1920's onward. But these teams have always been rivals, often contesting the division title right down to the last game of the season. To say that the rivalry doesn't exist between two teams who have battled so fervently for more than a century is, to use the same Dave quote, a waste of the air in your lungs. ;) but I mean that in the nicest possible way :).

[brydro]

ouch...;)
well anyway you missed my point...the Red Sox wouldn't be such a frustrating team to root for if they actually weren't competitive. But to have as many close calls as we have had makes following this team particularly heartbreaking. I'm not trying to say that your team hasn't historically come out on top -- that would be ridiculous and would fly in the face of history from the 1920's onward. But these teams have always been rivals, often contesting the division title right down to the last game of the season. To say that the rivalry doesn't exist between two teams who have battled so fervently for more than a century is, to use the same Dave quote, a waste of the air in your lungs. ;) but I mean that in the nicest possible way :).

No your right, I love the competition between the two teams, its what baseball is all about....atleast we became peaceful with this conversation...thanks for being that cool... :)

[redsoxiluv]

So whose trade-deadline deals do you think were better -- the Sox's or the Yankees'?

I'm sad to see Nomah go, but I've always admired Mientkiewicz and am excited to see how Cabrera performs in a place like Boston. We clearly needed better defense; watching games slip away because of unacceptably bad fielding was insanely frustrating. The Yankees picking up Loaiza makes me nervous, however...

[dmb1spe]

Loaiza is a joke... as a Yankees fan I think it was an even trade at best. And as much as I hate to admit it, the Sox made out very well for a Wild Card push.

[viking217]

the yankees-white sox trade was of like-caliber players. contreras wouldn't have-- and nor will loaiza-- in all probability get a playoff start for the yankees.

[DMBfan41]

I'd rather have Loaiza then Contreras. My opinion, Loazia will get back to his old self in pinstripes.

As of now, he probably won't start in the playoffs. As long as Mussina, Brown, and Lieber, and El Duque are all healthy.

[airr233]

Yankee talk in a Red Sox thread, its like saturday mornings with Mustard and Johnson on WEEI.

(only New Englanders that listen to WEEI would get this one)

[saygoodbye12]

Loaiza is a joke... as a Yankees fan I think it was an even trade at best. And as much as I hate to admit it, the Sox made out very well for a Wild Card push.
For the Yankees it's more of what they got rid of than what they got back. He's basically been nothing but terrible..He was costing 7 million a year and I believe he makes 8 million next year. Now they have Loiaza at about half the price plus a million in cash.

I'd rather have Loaiza then Contreras. My opinion, Loazia will get back to his old self in pinstripes.
Um this is his old self. He had an amazing year last season that he will probably never repeat again. He's got a career ERA of like 4.50

[DMBfan41]

For the Yankees it's more of what they got rid of than what they got back. He's basically been nothing but terrible..He was costing 7 million a year and I believe he makes 8 million next year. Now they have Loiaza at about half the price plus a million in cash.

Agree, but I'm still comfortable having Loazia then Contreras.


Um this is his old self. He had an amazing year last season that he will probably never repeat again. He's got a career ERA of like 4.50

Yes, but anything can happen in pinstripes. Probably never, career numbers, they mean nothing.

[saygoodbye12]

Yes, but anything can happen in pinstripes. Probably never, career numbers, they mean nothing. Yes..he can actually get worse...just ask Jeff Weaver.

And if you think 10 years worth of career numbers mean nothing, you are delusional.

[pkpro1]

I'd rather have Loaiza then Contreras. My opinion, Loazia will get back to his old self in pinstripes.

As of now, he probably won't start in the playoffs. As long as Mussina, Brown, and Lieber, and El Duque are all healthy.
:thumbsup
we'll all find out how he does against oakland come wednesday night.

as for the sox... how about that Noma?

[DMBfan41]

Yes..he can actually get worse...just ask Jeff Weaver.

And if you think 10 years worth of career numbers mean nothing, you are delusional.

anything can happen when you put on pinstripes. And Jeff Weaver couldn't pitch for a team in the spotlight.

[airr233]

2-0 with the new players.

even though it is against the Devil Rays but a win is a win.

[redsoxiluv]

2-0 with the new players.

even though it is against the Devil Rays but a win is a win.
plus, the Devil Rays are a lot better this year...and at this point, back-to-back road wins are nice to see, no matter who the opponent happens to be.

[airr233]

plus, the Devil Rays are a lot better this year...and at this point, back-to-back road wins are nice to see, no matter who the opponent happens to be.
If they can sweep tampa bay there and take 2 out of 3 from detroit, I think this could be called a sucessful road trip

7-4 on a 11 game road trip, and 5-1 with the new players that a sucessful road trip in my book.

[Hench]

Interesting tidbit I just discovered on mlb.com...

The best ERA on the Yanks right now is 4.16, belonging to Vazquez. 4 of 5 of Boston's starters (all but Lowe) ERA's fall below that...a ray of hope, I suppose...

[tomwastintime]

dealing nomar was a good idea

[redsoxiluv]

dealing nomar was a good idea
true...at least this way we get something for him, rather than watching him walk at the end of the season and getting nothing. it still feels kind of weird without him here, but honestly after the arod fiasco this seemed inevitable.


on an unrelated note, has anyone else tried "reverse the curse" (http://www.brighams.com/home/default.asp)ice cream yet? this just may be the missing link. we must all do our duty as members of red sox nation and consume massive quantities of the stuff...

[airr233]

Is it me or is there something about John Henry, about the way he talks that is interesting.

[dmb1spe]

anything can happen when you put on pinstripes. And Jeff Weaver couldn't pitch for a team in the spotlight.
YANKEES RULE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ziggyosk]

I'd rather have Loaiza then Contreras. My opinion, Loazia will get back to his old self in pinstripes.

As of now, he probably won't start in the playoffs. As long as Mussina, Brown, and Lieber, and El Duque are all healthy.
Loaiza's ERA over the last 9 starts is over 7

[rockyracoon]

and take 2 out of 3 from detroit, I think this could be called a sucessful road trip

easier said than done. the tig's have a knack for showin up against the big boys. they took the season series from the yanks, beating them twice in ny and twice here in the d. it'll be an interesting series. it's weird because i'd like to see the sox start winning some games and take over the wild card, but they can start that after this weekend. go tigers.

[airr233]

easier said than done. the tig's have a knack for showin up against the big boys. they took the season series from the yanks, beating them twice in ny and twice here in the d. it'll be an interesting series. it's weird because i'd like to see the sox start winning some games and take over the wild card, but they can start that after this weekend. go tigers.
I agree with you, I think the Tigers are a good team for once. I am a big Carlos Guillen fan and I love the way he plays the game. I bet you Seattle is kicking themselves for letting him go, same thing with Varitek and Lowe. Since they didn't sweep TB, they might have to sweep Detroit. I think this is the Sox's first meeting with the Tigers.

[saygoodbye12]

Loaiza's ERA over the last 9 starts is over 7
I wouldn't care if his ERA was 47. Contreras was never going to succeed in NY.

[saygoodbye12]

anything can happen when you put on pinstripes. And Jeff Weaver couldn't pitch for a team in the spotlight.
And Loaiza can? Oh right, 1 good year out of 10 makes him great. :thumbsup

[Hench]

at my very first red sox game well over 10 years ago, they beat the tigs 8-2...ahh memories

[UJCdream]

i would just like to take this moment in time to point out the 5 game winning streak the Sox are on right now. in a weeks time they went from 10 games out of first to 6.5 and tied for the WC.

go sox!! nothing like a trip home to stir things up :thumbsup

[airr233]

Nothing much like beating the White Sox on Esteban Loaiza bobblehead doll day and Loaiza helped the Yankees lose.

[Dmb4uanme]

Go Soxs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[UJCdream]

congratulations to the Yankees for losing another game today :thumbsup

let's go sox!

[dmb1spe]

Typical Red Sox bullshit...

You all have the worst case of Yankee envy ever.

[UJCdream]

how is it bull shit? how it is yankee envy?

it's simple math. the more they lose, the better our chances are.

[twosteppn36]

Typical Red Sox bullshit...

You all have the worst case of Yankee envy ever.



yeah...you're a moron

[MRGreySt.YNK]

yeah...you're a moron

:thumbsup

If the Sox win, there what? 5 and half out? Right?

[UJCdream]

:thumbsup

If the Sox win, there what? 5 and half out? Right?

yes, you are correct.

[saygoodbye12]

Nothing much like beating the White Sox on Esteban Loaiza bobblehead doll day and Loaiza helped the Yankees lose.
The Yankees can't get rid of this loser soon enough.

[UJCdream]

almost lost that one tonight, but all the same... came out with the W.

good job, sox!

[DMBfan41]

the red sox are still playing? ha, how bout that. I thought they gave up

[UJCdream]

the red sox are still playing? ha, how bout that. I thought they gave up

if you call being on a 6 game winning streak, coming within 5.5 games from first (after being 10 away) in a week, and being on top for the WC giving up... well, then yes, i could see why you would think that.

seems to me that the yankees are getting a little too comfortable with their lead.

[ryguy178]

woot! nice little late inning magic tonight to finish off the sweep...and whats this?? oh look...we gots the wild card spot! plenty of time left for the yankees to falllllll

[UJCdream]

woot! nice little late inning magic tonight to finish off the sweep...and whats this?? oh look...we gots the wild card spot! plenty of time left for the yankees to falllllll

i like the way you think :thumbsup

[flying_gibbon]

i like the way you think :thumbsup
only 5.5 games behind the yankees!!! woot woot!!!!!!

[greppson]

you know what bugs me?

people knock on red sox fans and how we are too loud, lame, etc. but then they feel the need to come in this thread and act as immature as they call us.

if anyone has envy, it's the yankee fans that keep coming in this thread to knock the sox. :)

[FPrefect61]

you know what bugs me?

people knock on red sox fans and how we are too loud, lame, etc. but then they feel the need to come in this thread and act as immature as they call us.

if anyone has envy, it's the yankee fans that keep coming in this thread to knock the sox. :)

Envy - A feeling of discontent and resentment aroused by and in conjunction with desire for the possessions or qualities of another.

Envy?

Envious that in spite of the Yanks playing like last year's Tigers the past week, they're still in first by a comfortable margin?

Envious of the Sox having to scratch and claw and they're only 1 game up in the wild card?

Oh, and envious of the fact they still haven't won a damn thing in, well, a long long time.

Juding by the jubuliant celebration here, you'd think we should call the season over now and give the Sox the World Series trophy. :lol

There's still plenty of time for the Sox to be the Sox and the Yanks to be the Yanks.

[airr233]

Is Ted Lilly on fire or what. Those checks from Steinbrenner must be starting to come around again.

[twosteppn36]

There's still plenty of time for the Sox to be the Sox and the Yanks to be the Yanks.



theres also plenty of time for the sox to play like the yanks and the yanks to play like the sox

[ryguy178]

Is Ted Lilly on fire or what. Those checks from Steinbrenner must be starting to come around again.
i dunno if you've seen the commercial but steinbrenner hurt his hand and can't write checks any longer...so that obviously explains the yankees fantastic slide :lol

[airr233]

i dunno if you've seen the commercial but steinbrenner hurt his hand and can't write checks any longer...so that obviously explains the yankees fantastic slide :lol
I wonder how much Visa for him to appear in ads, it must add to his millions maybe by thousands.

[UJCdream]

well that was a fun little streak we had going.

and now it has come to a screaching halt. there's always tomorrow...

[FPrefect61]

well that was a fun little streak we had going.

and now it has come to a screaching halt. there's always tomorrow...
It's gonna make the last month a lot more interesting though.

[ryguy178]

well that was a fun little streak we had going.

and now it has come to a screaching halt. there's always tomorrow...
ugh what an awful game :(

[UJCdream]

absolutely, tom.

i blame myself for tonight. i usually make a valient effort not to "brag" or outwardly display confidence, because as soon as i do it bitch slaps me in the face. much like today.

[FPrefect61]

That's why I try (note try, not succeed) to keep my bragging until the season's over :lol

[UJCdream]

:lol yeah, sometimes i just let it get the best of me and lose control over my mouth.

i've learned my lesson though. :p

[redsoxiluv]

well, it's only one game, and we knew the win streak couldn't last forever. I'm trying to look on the bright side and follow the advice of that lansdowne street billboard -- "keep the faith"!
The only thing that worries me is the lack of a backup catcher in Tek's absense...I mean, are we really counting on Mientkiewicz behind the plate if something happens to Mirabelli? frightening.

[UJCdream]

well, it's only one game, and we knew the win streak couldn't last forever. I'm trying to look on the bright side and follow the advice of that lansdowne street billboard -- "keep the faith"!
The only thing that worries me is the lack of a backup catcher in Tek's absense...I mean, are we really counting on Mientkiewicz behind the plate if something happens to Mirabelli? frightening.

the streak was definitely going to end at somepoint. but it's certainly not over yet. we've got a lot of fight left.

yeah, the whole catcher issue has left me feeling a bit uneasy as well. Meintkiewicz is a great player... but... is he really capable of filling that role? i dunno...i have my doubts.

[airr233]

I rather see Mientkiewicz at catcher than at 2nd base.

[UJCdream]

i really don't think he wants to do either. but will go with whatever they want.

when he said that when he was asked how he felt about playing 2nd, he said "do you WANT to get fired? but okay, whatever you want"

[billies_41]

For all of you Red Sox Minor league junkies out there:
Highly tauted LHP Mike Rozier who was drafted in the 12th round in this year's draft, signed today for a record post 10th round non-draft and follow: $1.575 million

[ryguy178]

Cleveland: 22, Yankees: 0

:lol :lol :lol

:thumbsup

can you say 3.5 back?? im feelin some october weather

[airr233]

For all of you Red Sox Minor league junkies out there:
Highly tauted LHP Mike Rozier who was drafted in the 12th round in this year's draft, signed today for a record post 10th round non-draft and follow: $1.575 million
Theo knows what he is doing when it comes to young talent. Look at Hanley Ramirez in Portland, Abe Alvarez in Portland, and Murphy down in Sarasota for example.

[greppson]

david murphy has a bright future. he seems to be doing well.

[greppson]

although, harvey garcia hasn't been doing that great...

[redsoxiluv]

what a difference a few weeks can make! august was an incredible month, and it's nice to see september starting out with a bang.:)

one question, though: where the hell did lenny dinardo go? he was on the DL with a "blister" about two months ago, which I'm assuming is a convenient way of hanging onto a rule 5 guy and still demoting him :mad:. Of course, I guess this is better than seeing him go back to the Mets, but still...he doesn't even get mentioned in the injury reports anymore...where is he?

[loogs91]

ahahaha, 22-0
Omar Visquel is my hero.

[airr233]

what a difference a few weeks can make! august was an incredible month, and it's nice to see september starting out with a bang.:)

one question, though: where the hell did lenny dinardo go? he was on the DL with a "blister" about two months ago, which I'm assuming is a convenient way of hanging onto a rule 5 guy and still demoting him :mad:. Of course, I guess this is better than seeing him go back to the Mets, but still...he doesn't even get mentioned in the injury reports anymore...where is he?
Lenny DiNardo has been rehabbing in Double A Portland for the last 2 weeks waiting for September 1st so he can be called up when the roster goes to 40 man. You should see him any day now.

[Hench]

well, it's only one game, and we knew the win streak couldn't last forever. I'm trying to look on the bright side and follow the advice of that lansdowne street billboard -- "keep the faith"!
Good advice, I guess it worked! I finally saw that billboard last week for the first time since the big trade...so awesome that they replaced that doofy nomar shot with a totally pimp picture of ortiz. :D

god I hate nomar.

oh and also katie...in response to your most recent post in this thread...dinardo sucks!! how many times do I have to tell you? :p

[airr233]

DiNardo is a young pitcher that will become a good pitcher.

[airr233]

2 1/2 games whoo hoooo

[JTRain]

Just for this thread too....Brown broke his left hand punching something.

Smart move, moron.

[UJCdream]

because i don't want to jinx the good thing the Sox have got going right now... i'll just do this:


:bounce :multi :bounce :multi :bounce

[redsoxiluv]

Good advice, I guess it worked! I finally saw that billboard last week for the first time since the big trade...so awesome that they replaced that doofy nomar shot with a totally pimp picture of ortiz. :D

god I hate nomar.

oh and also katie...in response to your most recent post in this thread...dinardo sucks!! how many times do I have to tell you? :p
:twak (that's also for what you said about trot, btw)


;)

but just look at lenny...what's not to like? :D

[JTRain]

Wow...8-6. Come on guys, we need to win now.

[Hench]

:twak (that's also for what you said about trot, btw)


;)

but just look at lenny...what's not to like? :D
Trot's beat up, and he's getting old. Kapler and Millar are better than he is.

And as for Lenny, uh, that's great. I think Aguilera and Kournikova are hot, that doesn't mean I endore their respective singing and tennis careers. :haha

[UJCdream]

the streak had to end at some point, we all know that.


atleast it happened on a day the yankees lost as well so that we don't lose any ground.

[redsoxiluv]

Trot's beat up, and he's getting old. Kapler and Millar are better than he is.

And as for Lenny, uh, that's great. I think Aguilera and Kournikova are hot, that doesn't mean I endore their respective singing and tennis careers. :haha
:lol the difference being, of course, that lenny actually is exceptionally good at what he does...

(oh, and this is totally out of left field, but I finally bought the CP dvd...where do you make an appearance?)

[redsoxiluv]

:bounceanother win against oakland! since the nomar deal Lowe looks like a new man...he can be such a head case at times, and the improved defense seems to boost his confidence tremendously. is this all too good to be true?

[jrcdmb40]

my friends away message: Bosox fans are pansys...I'll beat all of u fuckers within an inch of your life...Don't hate cause you cant be us...Yankees...Women love us...Men worship us...And the gods revere us...Everyone just feels bad for Boston...Like the partially retarded get you went to high school with...You know that one...You want him to do well...Just not near you cause he smells, has acne, and spits everywhere