Philadelphia Eagles

[Crush086]

So, if Kolb throws a 4 yard completion, he'll match McNabb's stats exactly.

[hearmorphish]

Cowher

[smokew11]

^^^^haha that'd piss off a lot of my friends in Pitt..thatd be pretty cool

[kittensXLI]

Bill Cowher :lol

[kittensXLI]

promote Jimmie Johnson for the rest of the year, then go after Jon Gruden who LOVED philly. the team has obviously quit on Reid. He needs to be fired immediatly and McNabb needs to be reinstated.
Thank you. I have been saying this forever. It'd be such a great move.

[smokew11]

^^^ I didnt like Gruden so much when he and Rickey Waters were constantly fighting, but that was cuz I was young and didnt really udnerstand that Waters was just selfish (even tho he was a pretty great all-purpose back for a while)...Gruden is intense and always gets the best out of his players

[barefoot]

Andy still has 3 years left on his contract, thats alot of cabbage to eat, atlhough Lurie may be very hungry now.

[LisaH]

promote Jimmie Johnson for the rest of the year, then go after Jon Gruden who LOVED philly. the team has obviously quit on Reid. He needs to be fired immediatly and McNabb needs to be reinstated.
:thumbsup I don't think the Eagles are smart enough to pull that off.

This is a little off topic, but John Harbaugh looks like my gynocologist.

[GoLdpHiShDMB]

Lets go Lurie!!! MAKE THE MOVE!!!! :mad


:lol

[LisaH]

Andy still has 3 years left on his contract, thats alot of cabbage to eat, atlhough Lurie may be very hungry now.
I thought it was only two. IMO Jeffrey Lurie is too cheap to get rid of him.

[GoLdpHiShDMB]

I dont think he really has a choice unless he wants to hear it from a very loud philly fan base.

[smokew11]

i bet if enough philly fans protested outside the linc on monday we could get him fired

[GoLdpHiShDMB]

I'm watchin his press conference. He just keeps saying things will get better and we gotta fix this. He'll be saying that next season when we're 0-16 too if he's still around. It sucks.

[kittensXLI]

Andy still has 3 years left on his contract, thats alot of cabbage to eat, atlhough Lurie may be very hungry now.
Andy Reid should have to eat it up since he eats everything else anyway. Maybe if he stepped back from the buffet table and stepped into an NFL coaching class the Eagles wouldn't have four conference championship losses, or a tie to the 2008 Cincinnati Bengals, or a pathetic 5-5-1 record with no end in the black hole coming.

[smokew11]

Major: NFL Coaching

Class: TMGT 101 (Time Management)

Homework Problem 1.

If you're in the Super Bowl against the Patriots, and you're down by two scores with less than 7 minutes left, you:
A) take a delay of game
B) run a no-huddle offense
C) run the play clock down to 1 second before every snap
D) if not the no-huddle, quickly call plays to ensure time for at least 2 drives and 1 defensive stop
E) B and or D

Andy thinking....(hmmmm...you know what will REALLY catch them off-gaurd? answer A and C..i think i'll write that in)

[kittensXLI]

Andy thinking....(hmmmm...you know what will REALLY catch them off-gaurd? answer A and C..i think i'll write that in)
:lol:lol:lol

It's so funny because it's so true.

[jiggajm18]

promote Jimmie Johnson for the rest of the year, then go after Jon Gruden who LOVED philly. the team has obviously quit on Reid. He needs to be fired immediatly and McNabb needs to be reinstated.

yes, no.

mcnabb needs to go.

[hearmorphish]

Andy said McNabb's going to start Thursday night.:shrug

[smokew11]

^^^ would you honestly rather have kevin kolb start? as bad as mcnabb has been over the last 7 qtrs he gives us a much better chance to win

anyonle thats knowledgeable knows that mcnabb has NEVER given up a lot of turnovers, so this is a phase that will pass in all probability

[DMBand520]

^^^ would you honestly rather have kevin kolb start? as bad as mcnabb has been over the last 7 qtrs he gives us a much better chance to win

anyonle thats knowledgeable knows that mcnabb has NEVER given up a lot of turnovers, so this is a phase that will pass in all probability

It depends on what you think the QB situation should/will be the next season or two. At this point, even though we aren't mathematically out of it, there is no way we are making the playoffs this season. I've always been a McNabb supporter, but I'd like to see what Kolb can do as the starter the rest of the season just so we know what our plan at QB should be going forward.

[hearmorphish]

^exactly. McNabb's better for sure, but imo, it depends on next years plans. if we're not keeping Don to start next year, i'd rather see Kolb start the rest of the year (even if we are going to sign a good QB in the off-season) just to get the offense to start to change gear. it doesn't matter really which one starts because our coach sucks too.:lol

[barefoot]

I know McNabb has a playful personality and its in his nature to laugh and joke, but holy shit it seems like he is taking none of this seriously which to me, is a slap in the face of the fans.

[GoLdpHiShDMB]

OMG!!! IF YOU PLAY SMART FOOTBALL!!!! YOU SCORE TOUCHDOWNS!!!!!

what a fuckin shocker

[barefoot]

right :lol Holy shit Andy run and you score points OMGWTF!!!!!

[smokew11]

hmmm...Westbrook has 19 carries for over 100 yds...and the Eagles are ROLING a really good team.

Memo to Andy: see what happens when you mix up the plays a bit?

memo to Philly fans: see what happens when the eagles recievers dont drop a ton of catchable passes?

McNabb's looking good.

[hearmorphish]

good game. :lol peyton and brady wouldn't be put through this by the way because they're consistent. watch this ass get all fired up and thinking he's the shit right now for one game.

[LisaH]

hmmm...Westbrook has 19 carries for over 100 yds...and the Eagles are ROLING a really good team.

Memo to Andy: see what happens when you mix up the plays a bit?

memo to Philly fans: see what happens when the eagles recievers dont drop a ton of catchable passes?

McNabb's looking good.
:thumbsup

I'm still finding it hard to get excited over the Eagles.

[smokew11]

^^ agreed, just tough cuz they wont make the playoffs.

hearmorphish, he's been consistent- until the last 2 weeks, he was NEVER someone who turned the ball over often..he was always consistently good..about 20 tds 8 ints 10 wins a year. we've gotten spoiled by those numbers, and we expect better, but how many QB's have been better? I can only think of 2.

Vaughn Hebron on Eagles post-game live: You have to look at the man's total body of work. To hate on him for 2 lousy games is ridiculous. Yes, he played terrible. No, the Eagles will not be better off without him.

[kittensXLI]

good game. :lol peyton and brady wouldn't be put through this by the way because they're consistent. watch this ass get all fired up and thinking he's the shit right now for one game.
You're seriously going to hate on your franchise quarterback after bouncing back from two of his worst games ever to dominate a strong conference opponent? Wow.

[thehoss]

ill be in jersey for next week's game, lets go g-men, however, im glad westbrook is back, and im glad mcnabb looked good, i didnt pay alot of money to see fucking brooking and kolb at the helm, haha. goodluck.

[barefoot]

are there peple here who really thing Arizona is a strong conf opponet :lol They have a terrible Defense and are 7-5 and are in the worst division in the league.

[jiggajm18]

are there peple here who really thing Arizona is a strong conf opponet :lol They have a terrible Defense and are 7-5 and are in the worst division in the league.

:thumbsup

a win last night would have put them at 8-4 and clinched a playoff berth :lol:lol

[jiggajm18]

good game. :lol peyton and brady wouldn't be put through this by the way because they're consistent. watch this ass get all fired up and thinking he's the shit right now for one game.

absolutely :thumbsup

[jiggajm18]

I know McNabb has a playful personality and its in his nature to laugh and joke, but holy shit it seems like he is taking none of this seriously which to me, is a slap in the face of the fans.

last week against the ravens, i saw him yawn right before the opening kickoff. :lol

[kittensXLI]

are there peple here who really thing Arizona is a strong conf opponet :lol They have a terrible Defense and are 7-5 and are in the worst division in the league.
Yeah, any knowledgeable football fan and person that knows how to spell correctly could see that. With the exception of Arizona's blowout loss to the Eagles, they lost to a 10-1 team, two 8-3 teams on the road, and a 7-4 team on the road. They are also undefeated in their division. It's hard traveling to the opposite coast and stay there for 3+ days to play road games; not an excuse, it's the truth. Also, maybe we're seeing that Arizona has a hard time playing in cold weather. Nothing wrong with that since a lot of teams have a tough transition into opposite climates from their normal.

[smokew11]

^^^ :lol:lol:lol:lol

ive caused enough controversy in this thread by defending McNabb, I didnt want to be the one who brought up those facts about the cardinals lol

[hearmorphish]

They are also undefeated in their division.
:lol
the rest of their division is 7 and 27.

[hearmorphish]

hearmorphish, he's been consistent- until the last 2 weeks, he was NEVER someone who turned the ball over often..he was always consistently good..about 20 tds 8 ints 10 wins a year. we've gotten spoiled by those numbers, and we expect better, but how many QB's have been better? I can only think of 2.

Vaughn Hebron on Eagles post-game live: You have to look at the man's total body of work. To hate on him for 2 lousy games is ridiculous. Yes, he played terrible. No, the Eagles will not be better off without him.

he may average 20-8, but many years he had < 20 TDs and > 8 INTs, he also averages about 8 fumbles and we lose most of those. his rating has only been over 90 2 out of 10 seasons and his completion pct. over 60% only 2 out of 10 seasons.

[kittensXLI]

:lol
the rest of their division is 7 and 27.
If Arizona wasn't undefeated in their division, that'd be your focal point of why they aren't legitimate/good. However, since they are 4-0, it's meaningless because it doesn't support your argument? Talk about biased.

[smokew11]

he may average 20-8, but many years he had < 20 TDs and > 8 INTs, he also averages about 8 fumbles and we lose most of those. his rating has only been over 90 2 out of 10 seasons and his completion pct. over 60% only 2 out of 10 seasons.



you're right, he has. I'll throw this list out there copy/pasted from NFL.com's page:
1. Became the first player in NFL history to finish a season with 30+ TD passes (31) and fewer than 10 INTs (8) in 2004
2. Became the 4th-fastest QB in NFL history to reach the 50-win plateau in just 71 starts, vs. Bal. (10/31/04
3. One of 7 players in NFL history to have amassed over 25,000 passing yards (25,404) and 2,500 rushing yards (2,962)
4. Ranks 1st among active passers in INT percentage (2.12) and 2nd on the NFL's all time list to Neil O'Donnell (2.11)
5. Ranks 3rd on the NFL's all-time list in TD:INT ratio (min. 1,500 atts.) (2.16) to Tom Brady (2.29) and Steve Young (2.17).
6. Ranks 1st on the Eagles all-time lists in completions (2,189), and 2nd in TDs (171), yards (25,404) and attempts (3,732) behind Ron Jaworski
7. Has posted more playoff wins (7) than any QB in team history. Ranks 1st on the Eagles all-time posteseason list in completions (249), attempts (419), passing yards (2,630) and TD passes (18). Also ranks 4th all-time in postseason rushing yds. (362) and tied for 2nd in rushing TDs (3)
8. Has the most wins by a starting quarterback in Eagles history (73)
9. His 22 combined career 300-yd. passing games ranks 1st on the Eagles all-time list
10. Has a 14-8 record in primetime starts, including one in the playoffs

We can argue stats all day, there's only one that matters (remember, before Moss, Brady's numbers were avg.)

McNabb is 78-45-1 as a starter. According to NFL.com, he has the 3rd highest winning pct. of any active QB w/100 starts.

that includes the years where Thrash and Pinkston were our go-to guys, the 4 straight losses his rookie year, playing at about 60% health for the first half of last year, and the incredibly stale and predictable playcalling of Reid the last 2 years which would have handicapped almost every other QB. I'll take those numbers any day of the week.

[hearmorphish]

If Arizona wasn't undefeated in their division, that'd be your focal point of why they aren't legitimate/good. However, since they are 4-0, it's meaningless because it doesn't support your argument? Talk about biased.
no, i was a bystander on this one until you mentioned their division record, in the west this year that is easy is all im sayin. the cards are a fierce team this year, but the last few weeks they haven't been looking hungry, they look kinda lost. i agree with you that they are good, but nothing about the west proves that. it's that they beat MIA, DAL, and BUF(early in the season), and losses to the Giants, and Jets aren't bad, but they did lose to Carolina.

[kittensXLI]

you're right, he has. I'll throw this list out there copy/pasted from NFL.com's page:
1. Became the first player in NFL history to finish a season with 30+ TD passes (31) and fewer than 10 INTs (8) in 2004
2. Became the 4th-fastest QB in NFL history to reach the 50-win plateau in just 71 starts, vs. Bal. (10/31/04
3. One of 7 players in NFL history to have amassed over 25,000 passing yards (25,404) and 2,500 rushing yards (2,962)
4. Ranks 1st among active passers in INT percentage (2.12) and 2nd on the NFL's all time list to Neil O'Donnell (2.11)
5. Ranks 3rd on the NFL's all-time list in TD:INT ratio (min. 1,500 atts.) (2.16) to Tom Brady (2.29) and Steve Young (2.17).
6. Ranks 1st on the Eagles all-time lists in completions (2,189), and 2nd in TDs (171), yards (25,404) and attempts (3,732) behind Ron Jaworski
7. Has posted more playoff wins (7) than any QB in team history. Ranks 1st on the Eagles all-time posteseason list in completions (249), attempts (419), passing yards (2,630) and TD passes (18). Also ranks 4th all-time in postseason rushing yds. (362) and tied for 2nd in rushing TDs (3)
8. Has the most wins by a starting quarterback in Eagles history (73)
9. His 22 combined career 300-yd. passing games ranks 1st on the Eagles all-time list
10. Has a 14-8 record in primetime starts, including one in the playoffs

We can argue stats all day, there's only one that matters (remember, before Moss, Brady's numbers were avg.)

McNabb is 78-45-1 as a starter. According to NFL.com, he has the 3rd highest winning pct. of any active QB w/100 starts.

that includes the years where Thrash and Pinkston were our go-to guys, the 4 straight losses his rookie year, playing at about 60% health for the first half of last year, and the incredibly stale and predictable playcalling of Reid the last 2 years which would have handicapped almost every other QB. I'll take those numbers any day of the week.
:thumbsup:thumbsup:thumbsup

[kittensXLI]

no, i was a bystander on this one until you mentioned their division record, in the west this year that is easy is all im sayin. the cards are a fierce team this year, but the last few weeks they haven't been looking hungry, they look kinda lost. i agree with you that they are good, but nothing about the west proves that. it's that they beat MIA, DAL, and BUF(early in the season), and losses to the Giants, and Jets aren't bad, but they did lose to Carolina.
Carolina is a good team. 8-3, all losses on the road, two to division opponents. They've beaten preseason favorites San Diego in San Diego Week 1 (without arguably their best player), plus the Bears, Falcons, Saints, and Cardinals. Their defense has been great, and Jake Delhomme has bounced back from an injury-plagued season to be a front runner for Comeback Player of the Year. With a very tough remaining schedule, seeing this team in the playoffs is not something I'd want to have the misfortune of experiencing.

[hearmorphish]

lol, SD is 4-7

[kittensXLI]

I know what their record is now; you're missing the point :

Carolina is a good team. 8-3, all losses on the road, two to division opponents. They've beaten preseason favorites San Diego in San Diego Week 1 (without arguably their best player), plus the Bears, Falcons, Saints, and Cardinals. Their defense has been great, and Jake Delhomme has bounced back from an injury-plagued season to be a front runner for Comeback Player of the Year. With a very tough remaining schedule, seeing this team in the playoffs is not something I'd want to have the misfortune of experiencing.

[hearmorphish]

oh, sorry. i see now. they beat a team that everyone thought was one of the best before the season started. good point

[hearmorphish]

but no doubt Carolina is one of the better teams right now.

[GoLdpHiShDMB]

I laughed when Andy Reid said we won because we had a nice mixture of run and pass, and "when you do that, good things happen." I mean, was he blacked out on alcohol or drugs the past few weeks...? Cuz we all knew our team was capable of winning. Yesterday's game is pretty much what I planned on happening all season... Possibly losing a closer shoot out like we did with the Cowboys. I hope for the best. I'd still like a coaching change though because it took him weeks to figure out he couldn't only pass.. and I feel like this happens every season.. We make the run at the end of the season and don't make the playoffs?? Or we make it with 2 of our stars on the IR list.

[smokew11]

after the run they had the last 3 weeks, throwing 70% of the time (kinda hard to be a good qb when the D knows exactly what youre gonna do every play), only throwing twice out of 31 tries on 3rd down, having the qb coach bench McNabb..then obviously trying to get kolb not the eagles, to score by having him qb sneak the 1st play then roll out the second...he should have been fired monday morning...if he didnt have 3 yrs left on his contract he probably would have

[barefoot]

Carolina is a good team. 8-3, all losses on the road, two to division opponents. They've beaten preseason favorites San Diego in San Diego Week 1 (without arguably their best player), plus the Bears, Falcons, Saints, and Cardinals. Their defense has been great, and Jake Delhomme has bounced back from an injury-plagued season to be a front runner for Comeback Player of the Year. With a very tough remaining schedule, seeing this team in the playoffs is not something I'd want to have the misfortune of experiencing.

Really? With his stats you think that? 80.5 QB rating, 57% completion rate and 12 TD's 9 ints. I just dont see it.

[barefoot]

The bottom line with this team is, it can beat any team in the NFL. The only thing holding it back, IMO, is Andy and his playcalling. I think the D has played awesome this year, and most of the losses were on the Offense and mostly the inability to balance the run and pass.

[GoLdpHiShDMB]

It's a damn shame man. People talk shit on the players were have.. but they can obviously play pretty damn well. No one has blown us out except for the game Andy threw Kevin Kolb in. He's a fuckin moron. I feel bad for the guy because he shows up big sometimes.. then he goes back to his old playcalling habits and loses us big wins.. Hopefully the win against Arizona opened up Lurie's eyes on who the real problem is.

[hearmorphish]

Westbrook makes both of them look better than they really are.

from the homepage - "Where Art Thou, Eagles... (http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/news/Story.asp?story_id=16789&spadaro=1)":lol:lol:lol

we need to focus on the G-Men now, this is possible, i know it is. Giants are proof that you really don't need any good stats from your QB, but you do need a good attitude, a leader, one who cares about the team winning, and not showing everyone that "I guess I'm pretty good, huh?"~D. McNabb.

[hearmorphish]

It's a damn shame man. People talk shit on the players were have.. but they can obviously play pretty damn well. No one has blown us out except for the game Andy threw Kevin Kolb in. He's a fuckin moron. I feel bad for the guy because he shows up big sometimes.. then he goes back to his old playcalling habits and loses us big wins.. Hopefully the win against Arizona opened up Lurie's eyes on who the real problem is.

btw, Lurie's eyes are open plenty, does he really care?

[LisaH]

btw, Lurie's eyes are open plenty, does he really care?
He's cheap, he only cares about the $$$. As long as the seats are filled he won't change the way he operates.

[GoLdpHiShDMB]

I hope he cares... Lurie brought back a lot of old tradition in Philadelphia. He hired Andy Reid in the first place, so he apparently wants to win. Eagles are the fans favorite Philadelphia team even though we don't have a superbowl.. I mean that could keep him from caring too but i hope not lol.

Edit: Yo Liiiisa, can't say whats up to your brother from another mother?? Huh?? Huh???? Jk, it'd be sick if we were related. The stuff we talk about just wouldn't make it right... Hahahah just kidding again

[LisaH]

I hope he cares... Lurie brought back a lot of old tradition in Philadelphia. He hired Andy Reid in the first place, so he apparently wants to win. Eagles are the fans favorite Philadelphia team even though we don't have a superbowl.. I mean that could keep him from caring too but i hope not lol.

Edit: Yo Liiiisa, can't say whats up to your brother from another mother?? Huh?? Huh???? Jk, it'd be sick if we were related. The stuff we talk about just wouldn't make it right... Hahahah just kidding again
:lol Miiike :hump

[GoLdpHiShDMB]

i was just inspired to play my eagles franchise on xbox. the sad part is that its old xbox, madden 08, and i signed derek anderson and calvin johnson. i wish i had desean jackson though lol

hopefully christmas will turn a sad boy into a man with a smile on his face :D!!!!

[GoLdpHiShDMB]

Omg I lied. Hank Baskett is my #1 reciever. That's pretty bad ass that I did that actually lol. I'm real happy I decided to play hahaha. Calvin was my reciever with my team where I did the lame ass fantasy draft.

[hearmorphish]

just remembered...during the game Don actually faked a pass and the camera watched a nonexistent pass to someone, and i missed the real pass - it was a good one too, first down i think. also, i think Don burped into the mic on the postgame interview you can watch video on the eagles homepage:lol

[GoLdpHiShDMB]

hahaha thats pretty funny

i'm stoned as hell. i just read on profootballtalk.com that plaxico burress shot himself in the leg man. eagles are destined to make it

[LisaH]

hahaha thats pretty funny

i'm stoned as hell. i just read on profootballtalk.com that plaxico burress shot himself in the leg man. eagles are destined to make it
:lol Since it's not life threatening, it's even funny if you're not stoned.

[kittensXLI]

Delhomme was until the past couple weeks. He's helped carry the Panthers back to a legitimate contender.

[hearmorphish]

i think you could say that about Warner, but not necessarily Delhomme

[kittensXLI]

Warner hasn't "come back" from anything.

[barefoot]

Delhomme was until the past couple weeks. He's helped carry the Panthers back to a legitimate contender.

I think like the Titans and Giants their sucess is based on the running game. ( take note Andy :lol)

[hearmorphish]

Warner hasn't "come back" from anything.
he moved up his comp.% by almost 10, moved up his rating by 10, already started more games than last season, almost as many TDs and less INTs.
Wisenhunt said it was all due to going "back to fundamentals" during training camp to fight for the spot with Leinart

[kittensXLI]

Eh, that's true. I just can't think of anyone worthy of Comeback PoY off the top of my head.

[kittensXLI]

he moved up his comp.% by almost 10
No, he went from 62% to 68%, which is only 6.

already started more games than last season
Yeah, but despite not starting in Weeks 3, 4, and 5 last year, he took 20+ pass attempts in each of those games.

I understand his TD:INT ratio is improved, and it's great his QB rating his higher, but he has come back from absolutely nothing. His improved stats are what makes him worthy of MVP. He wasn't hurt, he wasn't benched, and he didn't perform at a poor level last season. I don't see how he isn't the league MVP this year, but Comeback Player of the Year would be absurd.

[hearmorphish]

i was going to say Pennington, but i don't know, except his comp.% is slightly down...

[hearmorphish]

No, he went from 62% to 68%, which is only 6.


good one.

Yeah, but despite not starting in Weeks 3, 4, and 5 last year, he took 20+ pass attempts in each of those games.

I understand his TD:INT ratio is improved, and it's great his QB rating his higher, but he has come back from absolutely nothing. His improved stats are what makes him worthy of MVP. He wasn't hurt, he wasn't benched, and he didn't perform at a poor level last season. I don't see how he isn't the league MVP this year, but Comeback Player of the Year would be absurd.
so he went from not even being considered to being MVP in your mind, but thats not a comeback?

[kittensXLI]

No, it isn't. What is he coming back from?

[hearmorphish]

from being mediocre to being good? i guess he didn't

[smokew11]

He's cheap, he only cares about the $$$. As long as the seats are filled he won't change the way he operates.

nah thats not true...nobody gets fired when they have 3 yrs left with the salaray reid is making, the buyout is too big...its not that Lurie is a greedy owner that wont make changes (signed TO, went after Moss, signed Asante)..they cant afford to fire Reid unless he agrees to a buyout.

as for comeback player of the year, what about Kerry Collins? guy hasnt been relevant (hell nobody knew he was alive) since he lead Carolina to the Super Bowl. His numbers arent great, but Tenn. could have been on the merge of falling apart to start this season- defensive players were injured, the running game was injured, and Vince Young was completely unstable. Collins came in, righted the ship, and has 10 wins. Even tho he's just being a game manager and people say anyone can win with their D, coaching, and running game, Vince Young obvi. couldnt. Plus, Collins doesnt turn the ball over- he gets it done.

on another note, im glad more people are getting off Donovan's back and blaming reid. The playcalling against the cardinals showed everyone what McNabb can do when you mix run and pass. It couldnt be clearer than day that the number 1 problem has been the coaching.

[smokew11]

Warner hasn't "come back" from anything.


Warner has def. came back from something..he was almost a laughingstock 2 yrs ago when his wife called into talk radio stations defending him..i know hes been hurt on and off, but we havent seen THIS Kurt Warner since he was on the Rams

[kittensXLI]

I guess Kerry Collins is a decent choice. The more I think about it, the more angry I get Ben Roethlisberger didn't win it last year, and he had the stats to back it up. ...kind of makes me want to find a great stat producer this year to root for now.

[kittensXLI]

Warner had a very good season last year. Between then and now, he hasn't comeback from anything. I just don't see how he's a viable option in that category whatsoever. On top of that, if he wins league MVP, that should guarantee he does not win Comeback Player of the Year. I didn't check the stats on it, but I highly doubt any single player has won both awards in the same season. If so, it probably only happened once in a fluke situation. I'd bet money it hasn't happened more than once, if at all. Warner's numbers are too good to discard for MVP, but especially in comparison to 2007, he is not the slightest bit coming back from anything.

[smokew11]

^^^ just looked up his 2007 season on ESPN. You're right, I didnt really remember him at all from the last few seasons, but the stats do back you up

[hearmorphish]

give Don some time, he's got 3 huge games in 4 weeks, and don't tell me about making the playoffs. playoffs or no playoffs these games are big and he only has four to make up for his season so far... but if he is great with a new offensive scheme, i'll hand it to you guys.

[kittensXLI]

It really just wasn't as memorable for probably you, and many others, because it was on a sub par, non-playoff team (let alone the Arizona Cardinals).

[hearmorphish]

good call on Collins. and it may be more of a breakout than a comeback, but how bout Michael Turner

[kittensXLI]

Michael Turner is not Comeback Player of the Year material whatsoever. :shrug

[smokew11]

^^hell yeah man, i agree for breakout player...everyone in my fantasy draft thought i was nuts taking turner in the 9th round..turned out good for me but it gives me tough decisions every week..my rb's are Turner, Slaton, Jones-Drew and Adrian Peterson haha.. its a nice problem to have

[hearmorphish]

Michael Turner is not Comeback Player of the Year material whatsoever. :shrug
as i said "more like breakout than comeback" but how bout him, nevermind

[smokew11]

give Don some time, he's got 3 huge games in 4 weeks, and don't tell me about making the playoffs. playoffs or no playoffs these games are big and he only has four to make up for his season so far... but if he is great with a new offensive scheme, i'll hand it to you guys.

yeah i dont think that playoffs are in the cards..they have a tough remaining schedule, but some solid play and maybe 10 tds to 3 ints and a 3-1 record saves McNabb's job

[kittensXLI]

Oh, my bad on that one. I thought the breakout was referring to Collins for some reason. Sorry.

[smokew11]

as i said "more like breakout than comeback" but how bout him, nevermind


yeah i hear you on that...what a team their building in atl, who would have thought...if any fan base needed good play from their team this yr it was atl

[smokew11]

It really just wasn't as memorable for probably you, and many others, because it was on a sub par, non-playoff team (let alone the Arizona Cardinals).


yeah that was probably it

[hearmorphish]

yeah i hear you on that...what a team their building in atl, who would have thought...if any fan base needed good play from their team this yr it was atl
yeah, they're stepping up big time. Matt Ryan looks great too.

[GoLdpHiShDMB]

The falcons went from being my least favorite team outside of the NFC East to one of my favorite. I hated Michael Vick, Crumpler, Dunn (even tho hes a decent human being), DeAngelo Hall, and Jim Mora.

[smokew11]

^^ive always loved dunn, but ive always disliked vick cuz i just think he's the most over-rated player ever

[kittensXLI]

ive always disliked vick cuz i just think he's the most over-rated player ever
:thumbsup:thumbsup:thumbsup:thumbsup:thumbsup:thum bsup:thumbsup

[hearmorphish]

^^ive always loved dunn, but ive always disliked vick cuz i just think he's the most over-rated player ever
:thumbsup

[smokew11]

i dont know if you guys saw in the 2009 NFL thread, but I was with my girlfriend in Manhattan yesterday, and we were standing outside of Sak's and Roger Goodell and his wife(?) walk by. It wasn't super crowded right there, and I said 'hey commish!' and he gave a nod, smile and wave

i texted some friends cuz i thought it was pretty cool, and we collectivly decided I should have asked Rog to make an executive decision and fire andy reid haha

[kittensXLI]

I saw, and yes you should have, lol.

[hearmorphish]

it would be worth a try:lol

[smokew11]

yeah..stupid hindsight

[hearmorphish]

ok, so i looked for the hell of it, and the help that we need this week includes losses by :
WSH
MIN or CHI
TB or CAR
ATL
NO

TB and NO are tied, CAR and GB are tied, WSH is losing, MIN and CHI will play each other, ATL will play SD
:lol

[kev87lads]

Well. WAS and NO cooperated. SD should win. (Because they're home)

I think we'd rather have MIN beat CHI tonight since we lost to CHI this season.

And again, just for the hell of it. I think we're done after we lose to the Giants next week anyway......

[dmblynny]

If we played like we did on Thursday, we're gonna have a spot in the post season. :hump

[hearmorphish]

we will be looking for just about as many losses next week, and we got no help from the south(CAR), but we also have to win out, and beat each of our division rivals.:shrug

[sugarwontpoison]

Man i was wasted at that eagles game...

on another note, anyone think matt cassel should be picked up by us at the end of this season

[dmblynny]

we will be looking for just about as many losses next week, and we got no help from the south(CAR), but we also have to win out, and beat each of our division rivals.:shrug
:thumbsup


Man i was wasted at that eagles game...

on another note, anyone think matt cassel should be picked up by us at the end of this season
I had an opportunity to go to the game but worked instead. :BANG And I'd vote for Matt Cassell! I have a feeling D-Mac prolly won't be back next year... :shrug

[kittensXLI]

Matt Cassel to the Eagles is the dumbest idea and/or request I've heard in a long while.

[dmblynny]

Matt Cassel to the Eagles is the dumbest idea and/or request I've heard in a long while.
Why's that?

[sugarwontpoison]

Matt Cassel to the Eagles is the dumbest idea and/or request I've heard in a long while.

Why do you think that? D-Mac is highly unlikely to come back. There are no real good QB's in this draft. Kevin Kolb truly was an awful pick. Matt Cassel would be a great QB to have, We throw the ball enough that he would fit right in.

[kittensXLI]

I would take McNabb over Cassel, any free agent QB next year, and any rookie QB in the draft. Hands down. I think Thursday's game proved it's not McNabb holding the team back, it's the playcalling.

[dmblynny]

I would take McNabb over Cassel, any free agent QB next year, and any rookie QB in the draft. Hands down. I think Thursday's game proved it's not McNabb holding the team back, it's the playcalling.:thumbsup:thumbsup:thumbsup

I'd take Donovan over Cassel too, but if #5 isn't back, I'd much rather have Cassel who's hot off the Patriots oven instead of friggin' Kolb or some damn rookie. I know Kolb hasn't played all that much but don't have faith in him for some reason. If anyone should go (and I hate to say this, really) it should be Andy Reid IMO.

[kittensXLI]

I agree with you about Andy Reid; he definitely deserves to go. I understand where you're coming from with the reasoning behind Cassel, but I just don't like him as a fit in Philadelphia either. I also agree with you about Kevin Kolb; no faith whatsoever (at least not with the Eagles franchise).

[hearmorphish]

McNabb is trash. you're living in the past if you think he's going to take this team anywhere farther than he has already.

[smokew11]

ugh back to this

[hearmorphish]

ugh back to this
:lol

[kittensXLI]

He's one of the only reasons this thread remains active. No one with half a brain cares to defend his side of the arguement anymore.

[hearmorphish]

He's one of the only reasons this thread remains active. No one with half a brain cares to defend his side of the arguement anymore.
:lolyeah, that was a good one.

[dmblynny]

McNabb is trash. you're living in the past if you think he's going to take this team anywhere farther than he has already.
I'd take McNabb over Kolb/Feeley any day of the week. And yes, it's hard for me to let go of McNabb but I'm willing to do it IF we have a capable QB.

[dmblynny]

He's one of the only reasons this thread remains active. No one with half a brain cares to defend his side of the arguement anymore.
Who and what arguement? The D-Mac one?

[crashintonickdm]

to the media, everything is fine in philly.

how can the media be that shallow?

[dmblynny]

to the media, everything is fine in philly.

how can the media be that shallow?
The media is half the reason I have a headache after watching Sportscenter.

(jokes)


But seriously, it's always something in Philly whether there is or isn't. (hopefully that makes some sort of sense)

[crashintonickdm]

The media is half the reason I have a headache after watching Sportscenter.

(jokes)


But seriously, it's always something in Philly whether there is or isn't. (hopefully that makes some sort of sense)

its on at work everyday. trust me, i hear you. its awful.

[kittensXLI]

Who and what arguement? The D-Mac one?
Just everything hearmorphish and a few of us have been arguing about the last week or two (including McNabb).

I get that there's a good portion of Philadelphia fans who would send McNabb packing if the replacement was a fair enough option. I just disagree, firstly, and secondly don't think there is a suitable replacement out there.

[hearmorphish]

Just everything hearmorphish and a few of us have been arguing about the last week or two (including McNabb).

I get that there's a good portion of Philadelphia fans who would send McNabb packing if the replacement was a fair enough option. I just disagree, firstly, and secondly don't think there is a suitable replacement out there.
would you trade Roth for Don?

[crashintonickdm]

i just thnik the whole eagle team needs to be redone. dont resign dawk, or runyan, possibly get rid of don, start thinking of another RB, get a better TE, and actually sign a good WR. oh and fire andy reid. it might take 3-4 years but they are just delaying the inevidable.

they were great when the NFC sucked, and now the NFC is great and they are old in key spots and they just dont have it anymore. its really ashame they never got anything out of the 01-04 seasons.

[dmblynny]

its on at work everyday. trust me, i hear you. its awful.
Where do you work?

[dmblynny]

Just everything hearmorphish and a few of us have been arguing about the last week or two (including McNabb).

I get that there's a good portion of Philadelphia fans who would send McNabb packing if the replacement was a fair enough option. I just disagree, firstly, and secondly don't think there is a suitable replacement out there.
Exactly.

[crashintonickdm]

Where do you work?

dicks sporting goods.

[dmblynny]

would you trade Roth for Don?
I had a very interesting dream about Big Ben about a week ago.

[kittensXLI]

That's completely different. Ben isn't in his prime yet, while Donovan is ending his. They both have strong arms, both are mobile, and both have done a lot with less help than most others. Roethlisberger is younger, so he gets the advantage. What other quarterbacks will be available after this year that can match McNabb in strength, mobility, and one-up him in age? Roethlisberger's career is going to be a short one if he doesn't get protection help. Donovan is more accurate and can read defenses a lot better than Ben, but Ben is more of a leader.

[dmblynny]

i just thnik the whole eagle team needs to be redone. dont resign dawk, or runyan, possibly get rid of don, start thinking of another RB, get a better TE, and actually sign a good WR. oh and fire andy reid. it might take 3-4 years but they are just delaying the inevidable.

they were great when the NFC sucked, and now the NFC is great and they are old in key spots and they just dont have it anymore. its really ashame they never got anything out of the 01-04 seasons.
Our defense is doing great this season, it's our damn offense that scores more points for the OTHER team or drops the passes or whatever it is. I'm sick of excuses and want solutions LIKE a new coach, a REAL #1 WR, one more decent RB so we don't have to rely on B-West every play and like you said, too: a better TE. I mean, it's NOT ROCKET SCIENCE and the Eagles better open up their damn checking accounts cuz we're gonna have to spend money to make our way back to the top.

[dmblynny]

dicks sporting goods.
Noice! Do you get discounts on merchandise? :wink wink


:p

[crashintonickdm]

That's completely different. Ben isn't in his prime yet, while Donovan is ending his. They both have strong arms, both are mobile, and both have done a lot with less help than most others. Roethlisberger is younger, so he gets the advantage. What other quarterbacks will be available after this year that can match McNabb in strength, mobility, and one-up him in age? Roethlisberger's career is going to be a short one if he doesn't get protection help. Donovan is more accurate and can read defenses a lot better than Ben, but Ben is more of a leader.

id say ben has had better recievers, much better than donovan.

donovan has had repeated seasons with todd pinkston, james trash, freddie mitchell, greg lewis, reggie brown, kevin curtis, charles johnson, jason avant, and hank baskett. he had owens 1 full year and they went to the super bowl.

ben has always had hines ward, santonio holmes is pretty good, he also had burress for a year and he was good. nate washington is a awesome #3.

[dmblynny]

That's completely different. Ben isn't in his prime yet, while Donovan is ending his. They both have strong arms, both are mobile, and both have done a lot with less help than most others. Roethlisberger is younger, so he gets the advantage. What other quarterbacks will be available after this year that can match McNabb in strength, mobility, and one-up him in age? Roethlisberger's career is going to be a short one if he doesn't get protection help. Donovan is more accurate and can read defenses a lot better than Ben, but Ben is more of a leader.
We could always sign Jeff Garcia again... not joking.

[crashintonickdm]

Noice! Do you get discounts on merchandise? :wink wink


:p

25% off. we have tons of family nights where its 35%. i love it.

[smokew11]

I think we should all just agree to disagree about McNabb...hearmorphish, kittens and myself have been continually debating the topic several times a day since the minute he was benched

we've heard eachothers arguments, and they're good, from both sides. McNabb's the starter, Kolb is AJ Feeley reincarnate. There's nothing more on this issue to discuss til the offseason.

[crashintonickdm]

Our defense is doing great this season, it's our damn offense that scores more points for the OTHER team or drops the passes or whatever it is. I'm sick of excuses and want solutions LIKE a new coach, a REAL #1 WR, one more decent RB so we don't have to rely on B-West every play and like you said, too: a better TE. I mean, it's NOT ROCKET SCIENCE and the Eagles better open up their damn checking accounts cuz we're gonna have to spend money to make our way back to the top.

you've done a little better with the rush defense, but you cant cover tight ends at all, and lito and dawk have been getting toyed with more than a few times this year. especially lito. samuel has been pretty consistant though.

[dmblynny]

id say ben has had better recievers, much better than donovan.

donovan has had repeated seasons with todd pinkston, james trash, freddie mitchell, greg lewis, reggie brown, kevin curtis, charles johnson, jason avant, and hank baskett. he had owens 1 full year and they went to the super bowl.

ben has always had hines ward, santonio holmes is pretty good, he also had burress for a year and he was good. nate washington is a awesome #3.
It's true, Donovan has not had a consistently good #1 WR his entire career aside from the T.O. year ~ and look where we went. I've been advocating for a few years now about how WE NEED A FUCKING WR but nobody listens to me. Andy Reid refuses to call me back and now he's prolly gonna be out of a job at the end of the season. :haha

[dmblynny]

25% off. we have tons of family nights where its 35%. i love it.
Ow owwww!!! That's fabulous! I need to get me deal like that... I need a new jersey, dammit!

[dmblynny]

I think we should all just agree to disagree about McNabb...hearmorphish, kittens and myself have been continually debating the topic several times a day since the minute he was benched

we've heard eachothers arguments, and they're good, from both sides. McNabb's the starter, Kolb is AJ Feeley reincarnate. There's nothing more on this issue to discuss til the offseason.
:thumbsup
The McNabb Situation has progressively gotten worse thru out the last few years, it's sad. I think it might be time to move on, but I'm scared that there's no one to move on to. That is all. Done, done, and done!

[kittensXLI]

Yes, I understand the WR arguement for Philadelphia. I was thinking more of a trade off of McNabb and Ben being Eagles' offensive line to Steelers' WRs. Trust me, I know all about the horrid wideouts Philadelphia has had.

[dmblynny]

you've done a little better with the rush defense, but you cant cover tight ends at all, and lito and dawk have been getting toyed with more than a few times this year. especially lito. samuel has been pretty consistant though.
What's the word on Asante, anyway? Why haven't I seen anything? Unless I'm blind...

[smokew11]

i hope asante's ok, he's been real consistent, and yeah, lito's been burned a lot, but that could have to do with practicing with the 2nd team and not getting many reps, guy is a former pro-bowler and still young

[smokew11]

Yes, I understand the WR arguement for Philadelphia. I was thinking more of a trade off of McNabb and Ben being Eagles' offensive line to Steelers' WRs. Trust me, I know all about the horrid wideouts Philadelphia has had.


and yeah if you put Pitt's recievers on the eagles for the last 7 years, the eagles have 2 rings at least

[hearmorphish]

We could always sign Jeff Garcia again... not joking.we should have kept him when we had him...not kidding.

[GoLdpHiShDMB]

[u]Road to the Playoffs]/u]
-Dallas Cowboys must lose 2 games out of their next 4
-Atlanta Falcons must lose 2 games out of their next 4
-Washington Redskins must lose 1 game
-EAGLES HAVE TO WIN THE NEXT 4 GAMES!!!!!!!!!!!!

E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!!!

I'm more concerned about us actually staying consistent than those other teams losing... Cuz it's very likely for them to all lose at least 2 games.. Falcons play the Buccs and Panthers again.. Cowboys go to Pittsburgh, play the G-Men, Ravens, and us.. and the Redskins play us...

[hearmorphish]

us winning out takes care of a loss for WAS and DAL, and this week we have ATL @ NO, WAS @ BAL and DAL @ PIT. thats all good, but we have a tough game this week

[smokew11]

^^^ yeah...i think every condition is likely except the eagles winning out..3-1 at best..theyre 0-3 in the conf. this yr..hopefully the Plax thing proves to be a distraction but i doubt it

[GoLdpHiShDMB]

It's definitely hard for me to have faith in Andy Reid's playcalling... sometimes Eagles football games are my worst nightmare coming to reality. I'm stunned half the time watching him play certain calls.. After a while I'm not surprised anymore.. but still in shock that it's still continuing season after season :lol

If we can beat the G-Men this weekend I'll shit my pants and begin to cheer for the playoffs :multi

[dmblynny]

We can totally beat the Giants if we leave the play calling up to Marty.

[smokew11]

we definatly can

[dmblynny]

we definatly can
No doubt in my mind!!!!!!


I'm still keeping the noose hand tho...

[smokew11]

i like that Reid is running the ball, but he's doing weird pitches and reverses to lose yards...and to use all of their timeouts by 14:56 in the 2nd quarter is ridiculous

[GoLdpHiShDMB]

i think the playcalling has sucked so far man. beautiful field goal by akers tho! :D

[hearmorphish]

BLOCKED:monkey

[GoLdpHiShDMB]

theyre tiring out that run defense... westbrook will break out

just a slow sucky rocky type strategy lol.. might work

[hearmorphish]

LJ is a badass right now. he's just taking first downs from them.

[GoLdpHiShDMB]

oh look at that :rolleyes

[hearmorphish]

oh, and then there's B West

[hearmorphish]

oh look at that :rolleyeswhatever man, all those yards were after the catch, so don't give me that, i'm not trying to bring him into it right now.

[GoLdpHiShDMB]

LJ has been tearin it up... I've been sad that he hasnt been for the past 2 seasons. hopefully he can be great for a playoff run

[hearmorphish]

LJ has been tearin it up... I've been sad that he hasnt been for the past 2 seasons. hopefully he can be great for a playoff runmy bad, i misunderstood your rolling eyes. i totally agree. LJ is not very consistent, but hes real good sometimes.

[kittensXLI]

Thank God the referees flagged that delay of game...

[hearmorphish]

you see that shit by Pierce? is he serious?:lol

[GoLdpHiShDMB]

whatever man, all those yards were after the catch, so don't give me that, i'm not trying to bring him into it right now.Lol I was referring to when I said the Eagles were just trying to make that run d get tired so westy could finally break through... and then when it happened i said oh look at that :rolleyes... lol

[kittensXLI]

Jesus Christ

[hearmorphish]

nice

[GoLdpHiShDMB]

it went from 13-0 to 10-7... fuck man fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck

[hearmorphish]

at least we get the ball to start the 2nd half. we shouldve tried more for the TD than the good positioning for a FG, thats pretty simple.

[DmBand801]

:lol

[GoLdpHiShDMB]

my bad, i misunderstood your rolling eyes. i totally agree. LJ is not very consistent, but hes real good sometimes.:lol it's all good. just saw this now.

i can't believe the eagles luck. :BANG

[hearmorphish]

:lol
ok, your FG defense unit is looking for a win i guess, but the rest of your team looks like trash right now.:lol

[smokew11]

at least we get the ball to start the 2nd half. we shouldve tried more for the TD than the good positioning for a FG, thats pretty simple.

eh thats a tough one, with no timeouts you gotta take what should be sure points...im not gonna blame Reid for that one but I will blame him for not having any timeouts

and yeah, LJ's playing like a man possessed...if he only stayed consistent he could be a real threat

[GoLdpHiShDMB]

hell yea... our whole team needs to stay consistent.. our defense is vicious!!!!!!!!

[LisaH]

eh thats a tough one, with no timeouts you gotta take what should be sure points...im not gonna blame Reid for that one but I will blame him for not having any timeouts

and yeah, LJ's playing like a man possessed...if he only stayed consistent he could be a real threat
Reason enough for me.:BANG:BANG

[GoLdpHiShDMB]

Liiiiisa :D:D:D:D:D:D:D

[kittensXLI]

That's two blown calls now without flags for New York.

[GoLdpHiShDMB]

Wait, did that really just happen?

[LisaH]

Wait, did that really just happen?
:BANG

Miiike.

[GoLdpHiShDMB]

1 more quarter to go.. Please get a touchdown soon!!!

[GoLdpHiShDMB]

MCNABB AND WESTBROOK!!!!! :bounce

[smokew11]

great play on 3rd and 11 by mcnabb

[hearmorphish]

credit when it's due... that was all McNabb

[SmoothD41]

Eli looks great today....Westbrook sucks.

[hearmorphish]

Eli looks great today....Westbrook sucks.
dumbass:lol

[SmoothD41]

dumbass:lol

haha

[LisaH]

MCNABB AND WESTBROOK!!!!! :bounce
:bounce

[SoRight24]

Andy Reid is saving his job.

[GoLdpHiShDMB]

Hopefully Andy Reid will always remember he came close to losing his job... and he should never prepare for games like a dumb ass again... team is lookin great so far today

[GoLdpHiShDMB]

asante samuel should have like 10 picks this season... im glad hes always around the ball tho

[hearmorphish]

looking good so far. a good drive here seals the deal.

[GoLdpHiShDMB]

McNabb's gettin his favorite players involved today. Westbrook & LJ!

[smokew11]

westbrook has gone off the last 2 weeks...this is what we needed all year...good mix of run and pass, donny doesnt have to throw the ball 40 times and we win..simple as that..

..i didnt know he had twins this week? thats pretty cool

[GoLdpHiShDMB]

pretty exciting.. i was wonderin why he never had kids then suddenly he had some the other day lol. he looks happy as shit out there i'm happy for him

[smokew11]

^same here

[kittensXLI]

stupid caps lock

VICTORY!!!

[barefoot]

its amazing how good this team looks when Andy lets Marty make the calls

[hearmorphish]

:D love beating the Giants!

[GoLdpHiShDMB]

Road to the Playoff Needs:
1. Eagles beat Browns, Redskins, Cowboys
2. Falcons lose 1 more game
3. Dallas loses 2 games
4. Redskins lose 1 game

[barefoot]

Cowboys are going to lose today and lose BIG

[kittensXLI]

If the Steelers win today, the Eagles win their last three games, and the Falcons lose one of their last three games, Philadelphia gets in!

[GoLdpHiShDMB]

I love when Romo throws picks.. I get this feeling of personal success for some reason

[GoLdpHiShDMB]

It's funny that Wade Phillips believes he had some responsibility on that field goal being missed

[GoLdpHiShDMB]

Dallas looks so good.. Oh wait they're not playing the Seahawks or Niners today.

they're playin a team with a winning record!! :ugh

[smokew11]

i like what Vaugh Hebron is saying on Eagles Post Game Live....this is obviously paraphrased..

"basically, so many people are calling for Reid and Mcnabb to be gone (its quieter the last 2 weeks, but still)..are we as fans really prepared for a post-McNabb era? Once McNabb is gone, we have to face the fact that we will either have Kevin Kolb or rookie from the draft starting. Does anyone out there really think we'll get to the Super Bowl with that alternative? Once Donovan is gone and the fans are happy, theyre going to have to deal with a some 4-6 win seasons."

franchise QB's are so few and far between...how many did the Cowboys go through between Aikman and Romo, the Steelers from Bradshaw to Ben..the Eagles from Cunningham to McNabb- hell, the Dolphins still haven't had one since Marino...

im glad that whoever is calling the plays is balancing the run/pass ratio. You need to put your players in a spot where they can succeed, and that wasnt happening for most of this season. It may be too little too late, but hopefully a strong finish will slow the call for McNabb's head.

[smokew11]

real happy about this steelers game

(hoping for a good TO press conf)

[dmblynny]

WOOOHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!! Now if the Skins lose this might be my favoritest week in football this season.

[barefoot]

i like what Vaugh Hebron is saying on Eagles Post Game Live....this is obviously paraphrased..

"basically, so many people are calling for Reid and Mcnabb to be gone (its quieter the last 2 weeks, but still)..are we as fans really prepared for a post-McNabb era? Once McNabb is gone, we have to face the fact that we will either have Kevin Kolb or rookie from the draft starting. Does anyone out there really think we'll get to the Super Bowl with that alternative? Once Donovan is gone and the fans are happy, theyre going to have to deal with a some 4-6 win seasons."

franchise QB's are so few and far between...how many did the Cowboys go through between Aikman and Romo, the Steelers from Bradshaw to Ben..the Eagles from Cunningham to McNabb- hell, the Dolphins still haven't had one since Marino...

im glad that whoever is calling the plays is balancing the run/pass ratio. You need to put your players in a spot where they can succeed, and that wasnt happening for most of this season. It may be too little too late, but hopefully a strong finish will slow the call for McNabb's head.

I have said many time that McNabb is a better QB when the balance the run, however if you watched the game yesterday he still has accuracy issues.He is a a very streaky passer. He missed alot of open recievers, many times skipping the ball off the turf. He does make plays and should use his legs like he used to and stop trying to be a pure pocket passer, because he is not.

[smokew11]

I have said many time that McNabb is a better QB when the balance the run, however if you watched the game yesterday he still has accuracy issues.He is a a very streaky passer. He missed alot of open recievers, many times skipping the ball off the turf. He does make plays and should use his legs like he used to and stop trying to be a pure pocket passer, because he is not.

yeah but Eli missed a lot of recievers too..it was 20 degrees and windy as hell...he also made some really good throws, like the check down on what looked like a broken play to westbrook who took it to the house..

i think he does need to run also, and he did again yesterday, but hes not the Donovan pre-2002(?) when he broke his ankle against the cardinals..he played on a broken leg nearly the whole game and had one of his best games ever without moving out of the pocket...given the right balance to offense we've seen the last few weeks, donovan can be a really good pocket passer...when theres a lane on 2nd or 3rd and 6 tho, i still do want him to take off and get the 1st down

edit: he is def. streaky, we all know that..but for as many times as he'll throw 6 or 7 incompletes in a row, he'll reel off 10-12 straight completions...i think he had close to 20 straight in a game two yrs ago? im not sure when or how many..def. a streaky qb

[kittensXLI]

Streaky without question, but his WR play has been mediocre at best this year (and arguably his entire career minus 2004).

[smokew11]

yeah whats the deal with reggie brown? he'll have to at least dress next week with curtis sidelined, but was there a locker room problem? his stats have dropped considerably this year, but every offensive player dissapeared during that mid season stretch

[kittensXLI]

I love Reggie Brown. He's without question a solid #2 WR. For some reason, he just hasn't been doing well for a while now. He was hurt, but I thought he finally recovered / is healthy.

[barefoot]

I think the problem wiith the recievers is Andy plays too many of them. He needs to keep Curtis and Jackson the main ones and rotate the others on the 3 wideout formations. Its hard for a QB and a reciever to develop chemistry if they are constantly moved in and out.

[smokew11]

I think the problem wiith the recievers is Andy plays too many of them. He needs to keep Curtis and Jackson the main ones and rotate the others on the 3 wideout formations. Its hard for a QB and a reciever to develop chemistry if they are constantly moved in and out.


agreed..they talked about that a lot on post game live...curtis, brown, jackson, avant, basket, lewis, celek, smith...pick 3 recievers and 1 tight end already

[kittensXLI]

Curtis 1
Brown 2
Jackson 3
Basket 4
Smith TE

Cut Avant. Cut Lewis. Cut Celek.

Draft or trade for a #1 WR and/or a #1 TE.

[smokew11]

Curtis 1
Brown 2
Jackson 3
Basket 4
Smith TE

Cut Avant. Cut Lewis. Cut Celek.

Draft or trade for a #1 WR and/or a #1 TE.

:lol:lol:lol:lol

this is Andy Reid we're talkin about here. The man didnt think Boldin or Fitzgerald were worth Lito + a 2nd round pick

[smokew11]

http://www.comcast.net/sports/russakoffrules/17274/giantmisunderstanding/

interesting article about Reid...do the last 2 games prove his ineffectivness as a coach? i have to agree with a lot of the author's points

[kittensXLI]

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:lol:lol:lol:lol

this is Andy Reid we're talkin about here. The man didnt think Boldin or Fitzgerald were worth Lito + a 2nd round pick
My assumption was that Reid would be gone by the draft.

[GoLdpHiShDMB]

Jim, you must not watch any of the games. Jason Avant is clearly a better reciever than Reggie Brown. Why do you think Reggie was deactivated last week??? I'm sure you're a good guy and all, but fuck Reggie Brown. I'm down for drafting a great reciever or signing a great one via free agency, but I'm lovin DeSean Jackson. When we drafted him I was sooo pissed we got another small guy... but he's ill!!! He doesnt have to be our #1 but definitely our #2. I like the guys we have in Hank, Curtis, and Avant. Avant is clutch as hell and I can't remember the last time he dropped a pass.

I still want Reid gone just for the simple fact that I don't trust him... Sure he realized he has to run again this season, but next season we'll be right where we left off a few weeks ago. "Why isnt Andy Reid calling run plays?? The Eagles are 5-5 and in fear of losing their playoff dreams soon"

In the draft we'll probably go after an offensive tackle and a safety.


If we don't get a wide out in free agency... LETS JUST GET HAYNESWORTH BABY!!!!!! Our defense would remind me of the early 90's man

[Noles20]

Just when I thought I was out, they pull me right back in!

[smokew11]

Curtis 1
Brown 2
Jackson 3
Basket 4
Smith TE

Cut Avant. Cut Lewis. Cut Celek.

Draft or trade for a #1 WR and/or a #1 TE.

just another problem with this rotation, but Curtis wouldnt be a #1 on any team in the NFL..he wouldn't be a number 2 even, he'd be best coming out of the slot, where Jackson should obviously be. Brown should be a #2, and that means we need a #1...at worst, Curtis 2, Jackson 3...but Brown isnt a #1..Welker is so effective cuz he has Moss..he was good w/o Moss, but not 100 receptions good...we need a real, bonafide 6'5 threat on the outside

[kittensXLI]

Jim, you must not watch any of the games. Jason Avant is clearly a better reciever than Reggie Brown. Why do you think Reggie was deactivated last week??? I'm sure you're a good guy and all, but fuck Reggie Brown. I'm down for drafting a great reciever or signing a great one via free agency, but I'm lovin DeSean Jackson. When we drafted him I was sooo pissed we got another small guy... but he's ill!!! He doesnt have to be our #1 but definitely our #2. I like the guys we have in Hank, Curtis, and Avant. Avant is clutch as hell and I can't remember the last time he dropped a pass.

I still want Reid gone just for the simple fact that I don't trust him... Sure he realized he has to run again this season, but next season we'll be right where we left off a few weeks ago. "Why isnt Andy Reid calling run plays?? The Eagles are 5-5 and in fear of losing their playoff dreams soon"

In the draft we'll probably go after an offensive tackle and a safety.


If we don't get a wide out in free agency... LETS JUST GET HAYNESWORTH BABY!!!!!! Our defense would remind me of the early 90's man
I've just always been big fan of Brown. I don't think anything will change my opinion of him being better than Jason Avant either. I agree, I was also mad with the DeSean Jackson pick. I also agree that he won't ever be a #1 WR. However, he could be a solid #2 and a great #3, without question. I like Hank Baskett, but I don't know where he's going to fit in other than a #4. Curtis is good, but the Eagles have too many WRs from the same mold, and someone (a few, actually) has got to go.

Either two offensive linemen or one lineman and a safety should without question be the two first round picks this year. If two linemen go in the first, get the safety in the second. Maybe a TE in the third. Other than SS, I don't see a need to draft defensive players - at least not with the early picks.

[smokew11]

I've just always been big fan of Brown. I don't think anything will change my opinion of him being better than Jason Avant either. I agree, I was also mad with the DeSean Jackson pick. I also agree that he won't ever be a #1 WR. However, he could be a solid #2 and a great #3, without question. I like Hank Baskett, but I don't know where he's going to fit in other than a #4. Curtis is good, but the Eagles have too many WRs from the same mold, and someone (a few, actually) has got to go.

Either two offensive linemen or one lineman and a safety should without question be the two first round picks this year. If two linemen go in the first, get the safety in the second. Maybe a TE in the third. Other than SS, I don't see a need to draft defensive players - at least not with the early picks.

agreed...we need to get younger on the o-line, and if we can get an instant playmaker at safety, then go for it..thats about all we need on D right now...i wasnt mad with desean jackosn, i was just hoping theyd go for someone taller..from watching draft shows i saw that jackosn was a big time playmaker with great hands, so i wasnt too dissapointed. if it was possible to trade up for crabtree that would be sick..WR's dont usually go #1 unless the Lions have that pick ha

[barefoot]

This is why I was hoping the Panthers would go in the shitter this year and that pick would be a top 10er :lorraine

[GoLdpHiShDMB]

Haha I know... who would have thought they'd look so awesome... :(

Greg Lewis has been a hard worker and I'm glad we let him be an Eagle for a few years but he's gotta be out.. I think DeSean Jackson and Jason Avant are the only safe recievers guaranteed a job on our team right now for the following season.

We're going to have a lot of sick cornerbacks next season... I know we've all talked about it and the idea has been shut down, but Sheldon Brown could still possibly move over to safety, even though he's a sick ass corner.. Whatever safety we get is going to have to have a lot of knowledge for the game already I'd say since Dawk could possibly be done this season. Definitely need to think about an offensive tackle tho, i'm pretty sure we have a solid group of younger guys we can move around. Herremans could be a tackle next year and Cole or Gean-Jilles (sp) could move in at guard.

E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!!!

I'm almost 100% positive that if Reggie Brown was going to be something in the NFL.....

we would have found out in that Dallas game in 2005 when our season was on the line... McNabb just left injured.. Mike McMahon stepped in at quarter.. didn't look too bad to start... bombed it to a wide open Reggie Brown and the ball was dropped as he was brought down by a corner... EVERYONE.. and I mean EVERYONE.. thought he held on to it. I ran around the house screaming EAGLES and the announcers were going nuts... and then the replay came up 30-45 seconds later and he just couldn't hold on... surprise, surprise...

[smokew11]

i think the eagles should have drafred a high-profile safety last year knowing Dawkins was prob gonna be done at the end of this year...seriously, how much could a rookie safety learn by watching Dawkins? it would have been a great help

[GoLdpHiShDMB]

i think the eagles should have drafred a high-profile safety last year knowing Dawkins was prob gonna be done at the end of this year...seriously, how much could a rookie safety learn by watching Dawkins? it would have been a great helpTruuuue that.. would have made too much sense :lol

If our team shows promise for next season, which I think it does, I wonder if he'll make a return for 1 year. We really need to get on that though just in case.

[smokew11]

ok all, so what needs to happen this week to help the eagles? i cant keep up with it anymore.

[kittensXLI]

If the Eagles win their last three games, they make the playoffs with the help of one Atlanta loss out of their last three games.

[smokew11]

If the Eagles win their last three games, they make the playoffs with the help of one Atlanta loss out of their last three games.

so ALL we have to cheer for is one ATL loss? thats all the outside help we need? nice

[kittensXLI]

Yep. Hopefully the Eagles just keep on winning and they should be fine.

[hearmorphish]

Browns up next. the last time i was so sure they were going to pull a W, they pulled a T. that might be good enough anyway if ATL loses. :lol

[xxdmbxx250]

Said on the news last night that Runyan is out. B-WBrook is questionable as well as Samuels. The Browns' DL list is longer than the Eagles. ;P

ETA: http://blogs.nfl.com/category/news/

[smokew11]

Said on the news last night that Runyan is out. B-WBrook is questionable as well as Samuels. The Browns' DL list is longer than the Eagles. ;P

ETA: http://blogs.nfl.com/category/news/

im pretty sure westbrook has been listed as questionable for almost every game of his career, just like tom brady being listed probable every game since an injury he had like 5 yrs ago..doesnt really mean anything, he'll play

[GLR87]

Runyan is playing he hasn't missed a game in like 10 years..

[smokew11]

Runyan is playing he hasn't missed a game in like 10 years..


i'd bet andy reid's mustache on it.

[smokew11]

fuck yeah asante

[LisaH]

fuck yeah asante
:thumbsup Fuck yeah!

[devilandthelord]

People that need Westbrook for the fantasy teams were probably jumping for joy when they saw a downtrodden Browns team on Monday Night as their matchup for the week.

The only thing that I believe will now backfire on them, is that the Browns are so bad right now, they don't need him to beat them.
And he may rest a lot of second half, with very minimal stats thus far.

:lol

[LisaH]

FUCK

That could have been a lot worse.

[smokew11]

People that need Westbrook for the fantasy teams were probably jumping for joy when they saw a downtrodden Browns team on Monday Night as their matchup for the week.

The only thing that I believe will now backfire on them, is that the Browns are so bad right now, they don't need him to beat them.
And he may rest a lot of second half, with very minimal stats thus far.

:lol


yeah, theyre running him a lot tho right now

[FalloutBoyRocks]

Birds aren't going to beat the redskins and cowboys throwin pics at the goal line

[clayj41]

People that need Westbrook for the fantasy teams were probably jumping for joy when they saw a downtrodden Browns team on Monday Night as their matchup for the week.

The only thing that I believe will now backfire on them, is that the Browns are so bad right now, they don't need him to beat them.
And he may rest a lot of second half, with very minimal stats thus far.

:lol

I'm going to lose in one of my leagues if he doesn't get a TD. :(

[kittensXLI]

Birds aren't going to beat the redskins and cowboys throwin pics at the goal line
To be fair, one of those was by a WR...a rookie WR with no business being in those situations that the absurd playcallers signal in.

[crashintonickdm]

To be fair, one of those was by a WR...a rookie WR with no business being in those situations that the absurd playcallers signal in.

hes their only playmaker outside of bwest.

[kittensXLI]

I understand, but he should stick to WR and not QB, especially not a QB who throws INTs.

[clayj41]

Dammit...

[kittensXLI]

What?

[clayj41]

What?

I needed Westbrook to get a TD or 40 more yards to win in my fantasy league. Oh well, he can redeem himself by helping me win $1500 in another league.

[barefoot]

Nice win, but it was the Browns at home :lol I still get pissed off watching Andy pass the ball so much. They were doing a nice job mixing it up at the start of the game and then went to chucking it around. I saw a stat last night, under Reid the Eagles throw the ball 58% run 42%. I think it was that bad.

[smokew11]

Nice win, but it was the Browns at home :lol I still get pissed off watching Andy pass the ball so much. They were doing a nice job mixing it up at the start of the game and then went to chucking it around. I saw a stat last night, under Reid the Eagles throw the ball 58% run 42%. I think it was that bad.


yeah well the last 3 weeks its been much closer to 50/50, which for reid is a miracle.....105 runs/104 passes

[GLR87]

Birds aren't going to beat the redskins and cowboys throwin pics at the goal line

redskins yes, cowgirls no but they will beat um anyway bag

[hearmorphish]

To be fair, one of those was by a WR...a rookie WR with no business being in those situations that the absurd playcallers signal in.i thought that was bad also, Jaworski was saying something like " it wasn't a bad play because they thought it would work". it was stupid. maybe if the Browns had stopped us a couple times we would need to mix it up, but they were playing crappy defense, why not just run the damn ball in, or call a real pass by your real QB