Minnesota Twins

[JimiThingDMB]

The new stadium wouldnt have a retractable roof on it; hence the low price, which legislators might pass. It would cost 100 million extra to get a roof.

[EatSleepJeep]

The new stadium wouldnt have a retractable roof on it; hence the low price, which legislators might pass. It would cost 100 million extra to get a roof.


That can be added later, since the design has always had the ability for modular construction. I think it's great. If Detroit, NYM, NYY, and Boston can survive in April and October without a roof, we die-hard 'Sotans can too.

[UNLTrpt]

Detroit doesn't play in October...neither do the Mets. :lol

[EatSleepJeep]

Detroit doesn't play in October...neither do the Mets. :lol

:lol Indeed.

[JimiThingDMB]

Detroit doesn't play in October...neither do the Mets. :lol
Good call :monkey

[UNLTrpt]

And for a while there, neither did Bahhhhhston.

[EatSleepJeep]

I've noticed a strange trend, and I brought it up today on a local sports talk radio show, and made my case(it actually turned into the topic of the hour). A MLB scout guesting on the show agreed that teams are starting to place less value on Twins prospects, since they don't adjust well to other organizations that are more 'individual focused'. The Twins organization makes players perform as a team and above their ability. The players value increases, but the players only perform under the Twins coaching and team structure. Once they get traded or wander under free agency, they fall apart.

Guzman: Currently hitting .178 in Washington. Underperforming. Already has 3 fielding errors(12 all last year)
Hawkins: Solid as a Twin: Not welcome in Wrigley anymore, blows games often.
Pierzynski: Performed great in MN, SF hated him, Chicago is souring on him, too.
Mientkiewicz: Bounces right out of Boston, pisses off the front office. lands at NYM, still an unknown commodity.
Koskie: Hits high .200s & low .300s w/ MN, now .192 at Toronto
Guardado: Currently stinking it up in Seattle, 50% less saves on 30% less opportunities last year
Kielty: Never hit below .250 as a Twin. .233 w/ Toronto, .214 w. Oakland, currently .111

Exception: Ortiz

The word in the league is that Hot Twins do not translate into good ballplayers elsewhere. Interesting.

[JimiThingDMB]

I've noticed a strange trend, and I brought it up today on a local sports talk radio show, and made my case(it actually turned into the topic of the hour). A MLB scout guesting on the show agreed that teams are starting to place less value on Twins prospects, since they don't adjust well to other organizations that are more 'individual focused'. The Twins organization makes players perform as a team and above their ability. The players value increases, but the players only perform under the Twins coaching and team structure. Once they get traded or wander under free agency, they fall apart.

Guzman: Currently hitting .178 in Washington. Underperforming. Already has 3 fielding errors(12 all last year)
Hawkins: Solid as a Twin: Not welcome in Wrigley anymore, blows games often.
Pierzynski: Performed great in MN, SF hated him, Chicago is souring on him, too.
Mientkiewicz: Bounces right out of Boston, pisses off the front office. lands at NYM, still an unknown commodity.
Koskie: Hits high .200s & low .300s w/ MN, now .192 at Toronto
Guardado: Currently stinking it up in Seattle, 50% less saves on 30% less opportunities last year
Kielty: Never hit below .250 as a Twin. .233 w/ Toronto, .214 w. Oakland, currently .111

Exception: Ortiz

The word in the league is that Hot Twins do not translate into good ballplayers elsewhere. Interesting.
That is interesting, no one ever prospers when they go elsewhere, except Ortiz, but not everyone can suck when they leave town. There's no one on the team who puts up impressive numbers, sure they have a good year but like you said, it was in the Twins system, which is the opposite of power teams like the Yankees, Red Sox and hell, even the Chi Sox who like to hit for power. A lot of other markets are more critical of their players and that can take a toll on a guy who even when he was down, still received slight encouragement from the Minnesota public. Dougie Fresh and Guzman added more defensive support than offensive, and that played well in to the Twins scheme of winning with good fielding. Now they play where defense comes second and the teams want to put runs on the board, which we know both of these guys were never run producers. Although, Guardado was always shaky when he came in to close games, I always got nervous, especially if it was only a one run game, he was usually good for letting at least one guy on base, if not two before closing it out. Closers shut you the fuck down, not grease through an inning here and there because of a timely pitch that happened to lead to a double play. On that note, Joe Nathan is a rock, even at his worst he's still better than Everyday Eddie.

[EatSleepJeep]

By and large it holds true that the Twins bring out the best in their players, but other teams can't evoke the same performance.

[JimiThingDMB]

By and large it holds true that the Twins bring out the best in their players, but other teams can't evoke the same performance.
Gardy is the man, that is all.

[EatSleepJeep]

Gardy is the man, that is all.


True, and so are the other coaches, the excellent farm system, and the supportive fans. AND NOW THERE WILL BE A STADIUM that's worth a shit.

[jmhawk1]

it's nice to have a team that promotes growth for all players.
that's why i'm not a vikings fan...(sorry).
they just don't build a team, they build for right now, right now, right now. they are talented, but why not get some stability and kick ass for years instead of this year, this year , this year?
sorry to hi-jack the thread. back to the twins.
we need to stop leaving players on the bases. lately we have had hits, but few runs. that sux. gardy said the other day that they are working on this, and i know things don't change overnight, but sooner than later would work for me.
anyway.
hey, jeep-great thoughts on former twins...very insightful

[EatSleepJeep]

Long after my call was done, they kept pulling out examples. (And in this Cub friendly town they had a few things to say about LT Hawkins.)

[road_designer]

Hey, is Silva any good. I might get him for my fantasy team. Also, what about Francon?

[EatSleepJeep]

Hey, is Silva any good. I might get him for my fantasy team. Also, what about Francon?


Silva - Good
Francon - Decent

[road_designer]

Silva - Good
Francon - Decent

Is Silva the #3 or #2?

[EatSleepJeep]

WAIT!! This thing is going to be tiny. Are the fences all going to be 30 feet tall in the corners???

Playing Dimensions New Park Dome
Left Field: 328 feet 343 feet
Left Field Power Alley: 371 feet 385 feet
Center Field: 402 feet 408 feet
Right Field Power Alley: 371 feet 367 feet
Right Field: 331 feet 327 feet

[UNLTrpt]

Playing Dimensions New Park Dome
Left Field: 328 feet 343 feet
Left Field Power Alley: 371 feet 385 feet
Center Field: 402 feet 408 feet
Right Field Power Alley: 371 feet 367 feet
Right Field: 331 feet 327 feet

Damn...that's the size of our college baseball park.

[JimiThingDMB]

WAIT!! This thing is going to be tiny. Are the fences all going to be 30 feet tall in the corners???

Playing Dimensions New Park Dome
Left Field: 328 feet 343 feet
Left Field Power Alley: 371 feet 385 feet
Center Field: 402 feet 408 feet
Right Field Power Alley: 371 feet 367 feet
Right Field: 331 feet 327 feet

They must be looking to have a deal like Cleveland, that big wall out in left thats closer but you have to get over it, then maybe something like they have in Baltimore out in right? Maybe since the Twins never hit home runs this is to help them about a bit.... :rolleyes

[EatSleepJeep]

From the renderings: left looks like a standard 8 foot fence, and right looks like 12-15 feet to allow for the bullpen. Those are short walls for those distances.

http://minnesota.twins.mlb.com/min/images/ballpark/ph_gallery05_690.jpg

[JimiThingDMB]

From the renderings: left looks like a standard 8 foot fence, and right looks like 12-15 feet to allow for the bullpen. Those are short walls for those distances.

http://minnesota.twins.mlb.com/min/images/ballpark/ph_gallery05_690.jpg
Maybe they want it to be the next Coors Field. Twins stadium, where ERA's rise faster than gas prices.

[mihighdavehead]

WAIT!! This thing is going to be tiny. Are the fences all going to be 30 feet tall in the corners???

Playing Dimensions New Park Dome
Left Field: 328 feet 343 feet
Left Field Power Alley: 371 feet 385 feet
Center Field: 402 feet 408 feet
Right Field Power Alley: 371 feet 367 feet
Right Field: 331 feet 327 feet
I would think the ball will travel different than inside as well....keep that in mind. It really doesn't seem that small IMO.

[EatSleepJeep]

Every Ballpark Ever.
http://www.coachescorner.com/n_input/nnweb/scores/header_mlb_stad_info.htm

[EatSleepJeep]

It'll be the 4th most expensive after Olympic in Montreal, SkyDome in Toronto, and Safeco in Seattle.

The Brewers got a retractable for $44m less, although they're currently suing the shit of Mitsubishi heavy industries for the poor roof...

[PilotC150]

330-400-330 seems to be pretty common so it shouldn't be that bad at all.

[EatSleepJeep]

330-400-330 seems to be pretty common so it shouldn't be that bad at all.


I just keep looking at that 327 in right at the Dome, and the big hefty bag we need to keep the HR's down. I realize that this is outside, but the prevailing wind in MSP westerly, which is out towards right in this design. Ahhh who cares? Even Siebert Field is better than the Dome.

[JimiThingDMB]

Here's to outdoor baseball, the way it should be :bounce

[PilotC150]

I'm surprized this is on the 3rd page. 8 more K's for Santana. Another win for our ACE!

Plus the White Sox lost so we picked up a game. We've still gotta find the offense. There's no question about the defense, but the offense just hasn't been there.

[EatSleepJeep]

Last night's game was great. Santana has now gone 20 games consecutive without a loss. Nathan is a machine. he's not human.

The offense needs to pick up, though. Too many men left on base. We threaten and then fizzle(take the top of the 8th as an example). It's a win, on the road, in the division. I'll take it.

[JimiThingDMB]

Last night's game was great. Santana has now gone 20 games consecutive without a loss. Nathan is a machine. he's not human.

The offense needs to pick up, though. Too many men left on base. We threaten and then fizzle(take the top of the 8th as an example). It's a win, on the road, in the division. I'll take it.
If anyone else is pitching that game for the Twins it’s a certain L, you can’t score 2 runs and still pull off a win, unless you have Santana, then two is more than enough. Considering fucking Gay-Rod had 3 homers and 10 RBI’s last night, he himself would have beat the Twins 4 times, now THAT’s run production.

[shoegal_97]

twins suck... :p

[EatSleepJeep]

If anyone else is pitching that game for the Twins it’s a certain L, you can’t score 2 runs and still pull off a win, unless you have Santana, then two is more than enough. Considering fucking Gay-Rod had 3 homers and 10 RBI’s last night, he himself would have beat the Twins 4 times, now THAT’s run production.


It's still early, and they Twins have always ramped up slowly. They rarely jump into the lead at the beginning of the season. Gardy doesn't let them. Too many players get all nimbly-bimbly to start winning games and either tire themselves out for the stretch or get injured. He keeps them reined in well and makes sure that they hit their strides at the proper times. The Twins are playing with all 162 games in mind. That's my take.

Baseball season is a the freaking marathon of professional sports, no use wasting all your energy in the first third of the season. We're 4 games back on Chicago right now, and that's great considering the the early injuries. Sox don't have the depth to maintain that lead through the season. We'll be up ~6 at the break. Write that down.

[JimiThingDMB]

Write that down.
Yes, Mr. Van Wilder

[EddieW33]

Last night's game was great. Santana has now gone 20 games consecutive without a loss. Nathan is a machine. he's not human.

The offense needs to pick up, though. Too many men left on base. We threaten and then fizzle(take the top of the 8th as an example). It's a win, on the road, in the division. I'll take it.

In this nice run J has had...3 more wins and he ties the rocket...4 more starts w/o a loss and he will tie a record from 1940's i think...oh well, I think it is safe to say that JS is throwing about as good as a pitcher could ever dream of. Keep it up Johan...

Note #2 of the day...we have to stop leaving runners on base...this is getting old. I mean, they are 4 - 28 when the based are loaded...:BANG When most teams / hitters seem to do their best, we are failing right now...but hey, this is ok. I would rather struggle right now, in April, than in Aug or Sept (Chi Sox).

Note #3 The new stadium plan is pretty good, but some people still are having a hard time understanding why paying .03 for a $20 purchase is worth it :BANG :violent . Folks, if the Twins don't ask for STATE funding, they need to raise some $$$ in another way. I wish Carl would take out his checkbook and pay $300 mil toward the stadium, which would then include a roof and ask for the county to assist with with the remaining $250 mil in the bonds which will be paid off by this minor tax increase. I mean, if I buy a house soon (which are my plans) I will be contributing a few $$$ toward the stadium (165K house x .15 % = $248) - and I dont care!!!! Just build the fucker...you will see a full house every game for at least 3 seasons...and they WILL HAVE TO re-sign all of our stars - and not bitch about it...and they could then raise their payroll a few $$$...

I WANT OUTDOOR BASEBALL!!!!
the one hitch is that the Hennipen County Commision is debating if they should maike this a referrendum or not....NO!!! If you leave it up to the voters, they will vote no - buit if you do it, they won't complain. I mean, when did an extra .03 on a $20 purchanse make you rethink the purchase? Oh yeah, and one final note about this little tax...two choices when the stadium bonds have been paid for - 1. immediately eliminate the tax, or 2. assign the tax for road improvements, schools, something needed...

Roof or no roof - I don't care!!! Just give me an outdoor stadium...

OK, go Joe - have another solid outing, and lets keep beating up on KC.

[EddieW33]

twins suck... :p

BRAVES SWALLOW!!!

Thanks for 1991 - I WAS THERE :cool

[EddieW33]

Baseball season is a the freaking marathon of professional sports, no use wasting all your energy in the first third of the season. We're 4 games back on Chicago right now, and that's great considering the the early injuries. Sox don't have the depth to maintain that lead through the season. We'll be up ~6 at the break. Write that down.

Couldn't agree more...the Sox have had this choking issue when it comes to September - but I am confident that we won't have to wait that long this year. I just wonder if Cleveland can put it together this year - I feel they are as much a threat as those damn Sox are this season...

And don't you think you are giving the Sox too much credit pre-all star break...Twins will be leading the division by 8 - 10 games by the break...pitching will carry us this year...

[EddieW33]

Hat trick :lol :p :cool


Win Twins!!!

[EatSleepJeep]

Couldn't agree more...the Sox have had this choking issue when it comes to September - but I am confident that we won't have to wait that long this year. I just wonder if Cleveland can put it together this year - I feel they are as much a threat as those damn Sox are this season...

And don't you think you are giving the Sox too much credit pre-all star break...Twins will be leading the division by 8 - 10 games by the break...pitching will carry us this year...


I think they'll stay relatively close through the break, but after is when we'll pull away as the grind sets in.

[twostep]

8-10 games by the break? I need to jump into this now. The Sox won't be as affected by the grind as in previous years. A slump by a player in this year's lineup isn't as big as it was the last 5. We are no longer a home run team. We are designed more like teh Twins. Run and gun. Now that we aren't depenedent on the long ball, one of our big guys can go into a slump without affecting the team all that much. It will be a tight race this year, with the Twins and Sox (and Indians if they ever start hitting). If the Sox play 500 ball from here on out, they will win 86 games. The Twins have been averaging 90-92 wins the last couple years. Its going to come down to the 13 games played by Sox/Twins in August/September. I have faith in my Sox.

I do hope the Twins get their stadium.

[shoegal_97]

BRAVES SWALLOW!!!

Thanks for 1991 - I WAS THERE :cool


ha ha ha....that was more than ten years ago..I'm so totally over it....





:lorraine :lorraine :lorraine



see?

[EatSleepJeep]

Back to the NL, you fuckers. Out of our thread! OUT!!!


:D

[shoegal_97]

fine be that way...and just when i was starting to like the twins..

[EddieW33]

8-10 games by the break? I need to jump into this now. The Sox won't be as affected by the grind as in previous years. A slump by a player in this year's lineup isn't as big as it was the last 5. We are no longer a home run team. We are designed more like teh Twins. Run and gun. Now that we aren't depenedent on the long ball, one of our big guys can go into a slump without affecting the team all that much. It will be a tight race this year, with the Twins and Sox (and Indians if they ever start hitting). If the Sox play 500 ball from here on out, they will win 86 games. The Twins have been averaging 90-92 wins the last couple years. Its going to come down to the 13 games played by Sox/Twins in August/September. I have faith in my Sox.

I do hope the Twins get their stadium.

While I appreciate your support on the stadium...and y'all have finally copied us - good luck. I am not talking about a player or two in a slump, I am talking about the flat choke job y'all have been good for the past couple of years.

And hoping the sox play 500 for the rest of the way...good luck...you still won't win the division...

Win Twins!!!

[UNLTrpt]

Vote on sales tax in Hennepin County delayed one week:

One day after being formally unveiled, the newest proposal for a stadium for the Minnesota Twins had a turbulent hearing Tuesday in Hennepin County as opponents argued that the $478 million project was being rushed toward approval without public input.

Though a slim majority of the County Board is believed to support the project, the seven commissioners postponed an initial vote on the 42,000-seat stadium for at least one week. The delay followed a two-hour session in which a familiar throng of supporters and opponents -- many of whom have long debated the merits of a new baseball stadium -- alternately praised and criticized the plan.

"I'm not surprised by it," Commissioner Mike Opat, a lead negotiator on the project, said afterward. "It's a big step." Opat said stadium supporters would have to wait to see whether a majority of the commissioners would vote for the project.

But Commissioner Linda Koblick, who objected to the attempts to give the plan a quick approval, said after the meeting it probably had enough votes to move forward.

"When does the public get to weigh in on this?" Koblick asked.

Tuesday's meeting came just two days after an agreement between the Twins and the county was announced to move the team from the 23-year-old Metrodome to an open-air stadium in the Warehouse District of downtown Minneapolis.

The project would include $125 million from the Twins and $235 million from the county to build the stadium. The county's share would be raised through a countywide 0.15 percent sales tax that would add 3 cents to every $20 purchase.

The project's total cost, including bonding costs and site preparation, would be $478 million, and the agreement stipulates that the proposal would not be subject to a voter's referendum.

But it was those types of details Tuesday that quickly led to friction.

"You're getting taken, guys," said Dann Dobson, a real estate management official who testified against the stadium.

Dobson and others objected to a provision that would pay up to 18 percent of the gross sales price to a newly created stadium commission should Twins owner Carl Pohlad sell the team before 2016.

While Dobson argued that Pohlad would profit many times over what the county would receive from any sale, county officials stressed that the agreement obligated the Twins to a "no-escape, 30-year lease." The Twins also would agree not to relocate the team and would oppose any move by Major League Baseball to eliminate the team.

At various points, the meeting featured several onlookers holding homemade signs -- one asked the county to "Finish the Cedar Lake Bike Trail" -- and a man who rolled an infant in a stroller up to the podium as he testified. William Oosterman of Minneapolis told the commissioners the proposal was "blatant corporate welfare" and a "boondoggle."

Stadium supporters were equally passionate. Sam Grabarski, executive director of the Downtown Council, said the stadium and the anticipated development surrounding it would be "one of the great epic public works" in Hennepin County history. "I think that three cents on a $20 purchase is not that an outrageous thing," he said.

Outside the meeting room, Jerry Bell, the president of the Twins' parent company, watched calmly. "I'm getting used to it," Bell said. He said that Opat, during negotiations with the team, had told him that while he could not promise the proposal would be approved by the county, Opat "was comfortable [and] felt good" that it would pass.

County officials had attempted Tuesday to take an initial step toward formally asking the Legislature for the authority to increase the local sales tax, an amount that would annually bring in $28 million. But Commissioner Penny Steele said that she had little time to study either the agreement or a series of relatively minor amendments that were offered to it on Tuesday. "This is the first time I have looked at this," Steele, who is expected to vote against the plan, said of the amendments.

In a break with policy, the board agreed to allow continued public testimony on the stadium at its meeting next Tuesday.

Said Commissioner Mark Stenglein: "There'll be plenty of time for the public's input."

[UNLTrpt]

Holy crap...I just found FSN on the TV at my work... :multi :monkey :multi :monkey

[EatSleepJeep]

The delay was inevitable. The Hennepin county commission has two types of meetings. Tuesday's meeting was a meeting where votes are not allowed. Next week's meeting is a vote-type meeting.

But, it sounds like it will go through. The only obtacle is getting the state to fund the roof, but I think it will go through without it.

In other news: exciting game in KC last night. Twins Win! Chicago loses!

[EddieW33]

Way to go boys...closing the gap on those Sox...not much to worry about...the roof will not happen initially...but, if the sales tax generates the amount of revenue the Denver one did, look for Henepin County to add it on later...they are building the stadium to be "roof ready" so I wouldn't be shocked if the roof was added on shortly after the stadium is started or built...

OK boys - finish off those Royals (with cheese) and come on home for an exciting weekend with the LAA of A :BANG (dumbest name in baseball)...

[EatSleepJeep]

Way to go boys...closing the gap on those Sox...not much to worry about...the roof will not happen initially...but, if the sales tax generates the amount of revenue the Denver one did, look for Henepin County to add it on later...they are building the stadium to be "roof ready" so I wouldn't be shocked if the roof was added on shortly after the stadium is started or built...

OK boys - finish off those Royals (with cheese) and come on home for an exciting weekend with the LAA of A :BANG (dumbest name in baseball)...

Poll coming....

[EddieW33]

Poll coming....

What about a pool, I could really use a pool...:p

[JimiThingDMB]

OK boys - finish off those Royals (with cheese) and come on home for an exciting weekend with the LAA of A :BANG (dumbest name in baseball)...
That is the dumbest name in baseball, whenever I see the LAA on a scoreboard I immediately think the Dodgers are playing someone from the AL….then I realize, hey moron, it’s the Angels, inter-league play is still weeks away. That would be an interesting looking box score……LAA on top and LAD on the bottom, sounds like a couple of drug clincs squaring off to see who has the most members and addicts.

[EddieW33]

OK - so Joe proved he is human, again. But the boys still pulled it off. KC shouldn't have been so tough, but, we walked away with the broom in hand...

This weekend should be interesting...

[JimiThingDMB]

Here comes Vlad

[jmhawk1]

had to get this up so the twins fans could see...
Rincon suspended for 10 days for violating the substance abuse policy (steriods, i believe).
huh...
i thought of all teams, twins would be the cleanest...

[UNLTrpt]

had to get this up so the twins fans could see...
Rincon suspended for 10 days for violating the substance abuse policy (steriods, i believe).
huh...
i thought of all teams, twins would be the cleanest...

doh.......

[EddieW33]

had to get this up so the twins fans could see...
Rincon suspended for 10 days for violating the substance abuse policy (steriods, i believe).
huh...
i thought of all teams, twins would be the cleanest...

Haven't been able to listen to any speculation...but he received the ban for testing positive for a "banned substance"...while we all want to assume steroids, there are a lot more "banned substances" on this list now...and we WILL find out if it was steroids or not...some of these baseball players aren't the smartest people and continue to use suppliments that may have ingredients which are banne dand they may not even know about it.

BUT - it would suck if he were using the roids...:BANG

[PilotC150]

Haven't been able to listen to any speculation...but he received the ban for testing positive for a "banned substance"...while we all want to assume steroids, there are a lot more "banned substances" on this list now...and we WILL find out if it was steroids or not...
Are you sure about this? The report I read said they do not release what substance the suspention was for.

[EatSleepJeep]

sonofaBITCH!

[JimiThingDMB]

He was smoking up, must have had a bong hit before the game yesterday.

[bdb23]

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2051595

It's still the 10-day suspension and that's only for roids or other performing ehancing drugs.

[EddieW33]

Are you sure about this? The report I read said they do not release what substance the suspention was for.

Yeah, my bad...he had a press confrence today, and speculation was he may clear the air...but he made a vauge statement to the tune of...I would never intentionally do anything to put myself or the Twins at risk of getting in trouble..."

so it sounds like he is going to go with the...I din't know what was in the protein shake I was using in off season workouts...

If there is a problem, he will fail another test...let's hope this never happens...

On a happier note...Win TWINS!!!

Another series against a division rival....

[UNLTrpt]

Hennepin County OKs Twins stadium plan

A bitterly divided Hennepin County Board debated late into the evening Tuesday before voting 4 to 3 to endorse a proposed $478 million baseball stadium for the Minnesota Twins in downtown Minneapolis that would be built using a countywide sales tax increase.

As expected, much of Tuesday's debate centered over the plan's most controversial aspect -- a provision that would exempt the stadium from facing a referendum.

More than 50 people spoke at a public hearing that began in the early afternoon and then spilled into the evening. The hearing passed the seven-hour mark before commissioners finally cast their votes to send the plan to the Legislature.

Early in the proceedings, former Twins first baseman Kent Hrbek walked to the microphone accompanied by two Twins officials, who poured hundreds of cards signed by fans supporting a replacement for the Metrodome onto a table. "I love playing in there, but I hate watching in there as a fan," Hrbek told the packed hearing room.

But for every supporter, there was an equally opinionated opponent. "Why are you afraid of a referendum? Do you not trust us, the voters?" asked John Knight, a Minnetonka attorney. "I'm not some kind of radical here. I'm a Republican."

Tuesday's hearing came just eight days after the proposed open-air stadium was unveiled, drawing quick praise and heated criticism.

Stadium proponents had hoped the state's largest county would move rapidly to ask the Legislature for approval to levy the additional sales tax, which would run for as long as 30 years and amount to three cents for every $20 purchase in the county. The 42,000-seat stadium, to which the Twins would contribute $125 million, would be completed by 2009 in the downtown Warehouse District.

Supporters said the plan, the latest in a decade-long attempt to move the Twins from the Metrodome, was a relatively straightforward proposal that blended public and private money.

But critics argued that it was being rushed toward approval, was overly generous toward Twins owner Carl Pohlad and left little room for public input.

'Anybody else'

The hearing also spilled into the upcoming mayoral race in Minneapolis. In the hallway during the meeting, Hennepin County Commissioner Peter McLaughlin -- a mayoral candidate -- was confronted by Dave Bicking, a delegate to the upcoming DFL endorsing convention. "I think people should get some sort of vote on it," said Bicking, who held a makeshift sign that read "Stop the Stadium."

Minneapolis Mayor R.T. Rybak, the first speaker on Tuesday, meanwhile gave his clearest endorsement of the plan.

"The deal is sound, and I speak in favor of your moving forward," said Rybak, who had repeatedly declined to endorse the project last week.

Outside the hearing room, DFL city delegate Harry Savage promised that delegates would deny both McLaughlin and Rybak the party's endorsement because of their stadium support. "Anybody else but those two guys right now to be mayor of Minneapolis," he said.

Elsewhere, supporters and opponents squared off. David Sternberg, a senior vice president of Brookfield Properties, a major downtown landowner, was confronted by an opponent after he endorsed the plan at the public hearing. "I believe this is an exceptionally sound piece of legislation," he said.

At one point, County Board Chairman Randy Johnson said that of the 45 people who had spoken, 23 had said they favored the proposal.

Critics however said the majority of the supporters represented downtown business and lobbying groups, who stood to at least indirectly benefit if a new Twins stadium were built. "What we've seen is a lot of upper-level business executives," fumed Kathy Ricketts, an opponent.

I think we have a stadium folks. Hrbek comes to bat for the Twins.

[JimiThingDMB]

Sucks we will have to wait until 2009

[UNLTrpt]

Sucks we will have to wait until 2009

At least it's coming.

[JimiThingDMB]

At least it's coming.
But I want it now! :lorraine

[UNLTrpt]

But I want it now! :lorraine

They're a great orginization but...they're not supermen.

[dmb_41_sd]

It's not a done deal yet, major hurdle tonight nonetheless.

[UNLTrpt]

It's not a done deal yet, major hurdle tonight nonetheless.

well of course it isn't a done deal. But since we haven't gotten past this point ever, I'll be excited.

[EatSleepJeep]

This hearing could have gone better, in fact it went pretty bad from what I've read. The DFL delegates are apparently headhunting any Democrat who endorses the deal. That sucks, as the DFL delegates carry a lot of power in MN. It's going to the legislature now, and the I can almost guarantee that the DFL controlled legislature is going to send it to a referendum in a public vote of county residents. This won't appear on the ballot until this fall(if they're lucky) or next fall. If it's this fall, it will be on the same ballot as they mayoral race. Bad news.





Yeah, and we lost to the Indians becuase Hunter and Jones got greedy on the basepaths and killed Morneau's rally.

[JimiThingDMB]

Yeah, and we lost to the Indians becuase Hunter and Jones got greedy on the basepaths and killed Morneau's rally.
Yeah, maybe, but if they both make it to second base we give them pats on the back for their aggressive base running and putting themselves in scoring position….its the chance you take. Also, the flock of ducks we left on the pond didn’t help either, we’ll get em back tonight.

[EatSleepJeep]

Yeah, maybe, but if they both make it to second base we give them pats on the back for their aggressive base running and putting themselves in scoring position….its the chance you take. Also, the flock of ducks we left on the pond didn’t help either, we’ll get em back tonight.

the twins are hitting something like .155 with bases loaded. :eek

[EatSleepJeep]

Only the Twins can load the bases in the first with no outs and again in the second with one out and only get one run out of the deal. :BANG

[UNLTrpt]

they said the same thing on Baseball tonight that someone else did here, they're pitiful with the bases loaded.

Edit: if I look back 2 posts...I would have seen the Matthew would have said that.

Lose another close one again today.

[EatSleepJeep]

angry

[UNLTrpt]

where the hell was this offence yesterday????

[JimiThingDMB]

They playing right now??

[UNLTrpt]

They playing right now??

Yeah, Radke's got a 1 hit shutout so far. 7-0 so far.

[EatSleepJeep]

where the hell was this offence yesterday????

we only try while looking at the other team readying their broom in the dome.

[EatSleepJeep]

Radke (3-3) allowed just three baserunners in the game and retired 27 of the 30 batters he faced.

No shit? 27 batters were retired in a complete 9 inning game? Wow. :BANG

[JimiThingDMB]

No shit? 27 batters were retired in a complete 9 inning game? Wow. :BANG
Some people need help understanding something blatantly obvious as that…….I don’t know any of these people, but they must be out there somewhere. Atlanta maybe…..

[EatSleepJeep]

Some people need help understanding something blatantly obvious as that…….I don’t know any of these people, but they must be out there somewhere. Atlanta maybe…..


:lol

[reds24]

Nice outing by Radke today. Glad we took the first two. Good luck catching the Sox.

[EatSleepJeep]

Nice outing by Radke today. Glad we took the first two. Good luck catching the Sox.


We don't need luck. We've got JOHAN SANTANA!

[Tjmblitz]

beautiful game today, lets keep this going.

[EatSleepJeep]

Next:
MIN @ TB

Santana
4-1, 3.29
vs.
Brazelton
1-5, 5.61

WOW!

[EatSleepJeep]

premade twins avatars from Twinsbaseball.com

[bohazo]

premade twins avatars from Twinsbaseball.com

Thanks!

[EatSleepJeep]

http://www.antsmarching.org/forum/showthread.php?p=2836124#post2836124

[handsareme]

:lol :lol :lol

:thumbsup

[EatSleepJeep]

:thumbsup

Hey. Dan(UNLTrpt) and Megan(mimi) and I(ESJ) are coming down to KC on the weekend of 7/9 for the games at kaufmann. you in?

[handsareme]

i'll unfortunately be in Charlotte, NC for a church conference. My family and I always make it to at least one game in KC each summer. Thanks for the offer though!

Keep in mind though, that I graduate from high school in a few weeks. don't know why i mentioned that.

edit: now i remember, i'll be in college and can go see them next spring on my own...how's that?

[EatSleepJeep]

i'll unfortunately be in Charlotte, NC for a church conference. My family and I always make it to at least one game in KC each summer. Thanks for the offer though!

Keep in mind though, that I graduate from high school in a few weeks. don't know why i mentioned that.

edit: now i remember, i'll be in college and can go see them next spring on my own...how's that?
:thumbsup
Figured I'd offer, since you're already in KC and all.

[handsareme]

Not in KC, if you know your geo. i'm about 30 minutes nw of Wichita, town of 45,000. Hutchinson is where I'm at.

[handsareme]

Not in KC, if you know your geo. i'm about 30 minutes nw of Wichita, town of 45,000. Hutchinson is where I'm at.

[JimiThingDMB]

I'm from Hutchinson......Minnesota :cool

[EatSleepJeep]

I'm from Roseville...Minnesota:cool

[UNLTrpt]

I was born in Sewer City....Iowa.

[EatSleepJeep]

I was born in Sewer City....Iowa.

There is no Sewer City, is there?


Sioux City?

[UNLTrpt]

There is no Sewer City, is there?


Sioux City?
;) :thumbsup

[getAgrip]

I'm from Roseville...Minnesota:cool

wierd... .so am i.....

what year did you graguate from high school?

[road_designer]

Gary Anderson

[JimiThingDMB]

Gary Anderson
Stop swearing

[JimiThingDMB]

Johan, solid game tonight, if it werent for those back to back triples in the first it would have been a complete domination. He was hitting 95 on the gun in the 9th inning, I think he was pretty pumped up.

[EatSleepJeep]

Lew Ford is Mr. Clutch. He's my favorite Twin. Don't get me wrong, Hunter, Jones, Stewart, Morneau and Mauer are all good too. But Lew Ford just comes up to the plate, blushes and smirks when they let out their "Leeeeeeeeeeeeew" and then hits the ball without fanfare. He's clutch. He's consistent. He's humble. He's Lew Ford, kids. Lew Ford.

[tosssweep]

Lew Ford is Mr. Clutch. He's my favorite Twin. Don't get me wrong, Hunter, Jones, Stewart, Morneau and Mauer are all good too. But Lew Ford just comes up to the plate, blushes and smirks when they let out their "Leeeeeeeeeeeeew" and then hits the ball without fanfare. He's clutch. He's consistent. He's humble. He's Lew Ford, kids. Lew Ford.
My absolewte favorite part about the 3 games I've went to since last fall when I transferred schools has been screaming "Leeeeeeeeeeeew" whenever he does anything! At the last game I went to (Angels game, Silva pitched) some friends and I tried to yell "Puuuuuuuunto!" but it was too damn funny and he's not clutch like Lew. Some dude behind us who didn't follow the Twins (or baseball) yelled out "Puuuuuunto!" later in the game :lol

[EatSleepJeep]

DID you see Morneau's 3 Run, 9th inning MOONSHOT? That thing broke the sound barrier going up and then got a little warm on re-entry to our atmosphere.

8-1 tonight. 7-1 last night. 9-0 the night before. Looks like we got that offense we wanted. Now it's just a matter of keeping it up the winning we're in good position when Chicago falters. Despite their huge succes, we're still only 4.5 back and on track to win 100 games this year.

Mark my words; Frank Thomas will return and they will slump as a result.

[EatSleepJeep]

Sweep, boys and girls. Get your brooms, we swept Tampa Bay. Out scored them 24-8 during this 3 game drubbing. Hooray.
:multi

[JimiThingDMB]

Sweep, boys and girls. Get your brooms, we swept Tampa Bay. Out scored them 24-8 during this 3 game drubbing. Hooray.
:multi
And the White Sox continue winning, what the fuck?

[EatSleepJeep]

And the White Sox continue winning, what the fuck?

And so do we. We're right there with 'em. A lot of sports analyst are saying that the AL Central will be as exciting as the AL East was last year. A show last night said the Central will supply the wild card too if this keeps up.

[JimiThingDMB]

And so do we. We're right there with 'em. A lot of sports analyst are saying that the AL Central will be as exciting as the AL East was last year. A show last night said the Central will supply the wild card too if this keeps up.
I know the Twins are keeping pace, but it’s the White Sox, they aren’t supposed to have the best record in baseball. If shit does keep up at this rate, the WC will come out of the central, and that would be a big step for the division. It would also be interesting if Baltimore holds on to the AL East, then Chi Sox and us make the playoffs, that would be a different look for October baseball…..and I would love it. Harold Reynolds was saying on Baseball Tonight he expects the Yankees to start making a run, winning 8 of their next 10 and getting back in to the swing of things…..I hope he’s wrong and they lost 8 of 10.

[EatSleepJeep]

I know the Twins are keeping pace, but it’s the White Sox, they aren’t supposed to have the best record in baseball. If shit does keep up at this rate, the WC will come out of the central, and that would be a big step for the division. It would also be interesting if Baltimore holds on to the AL East, then Chi Sox and us make the playoffs, that would be a different look for October baseball…..and I would love it. Harold Reynolds was saying on Baseball Tonight he expects the Yankees to start making a run, winning 8 of their next 10 and getting back in to the swing of things…..I hope he’s wrong and they lost 8 of 10.

No Boston or NY would be a nice departure. And I don't see Chicago staying healthy enough to maintain. NY will go no better than .500 over the next 10, they're not out of the woods yet, and may have done enough damage to doom them in the fall.

[jmhawk1]

the white sox always have too many injuries. we will dominate starting soon!!!
what a sweep, though. enjoyed all the games, and thought it great for big country and his homer last night.
wished justin would've completed the cycle, though...

[EatSleepJeep]

I like back to back jacks in the 10th. Indeed I do, Mr. Jones and Mr. Stewart. Consecutive pitches, too. Bang to right, then bang to left. Bang, Baltimore. BANG!

[handsareme]

hot damn
:thumbsup

[tosssweep]

I like back to back jacks in the 10th. Indeed I do, Mr. Jones and Mr. Stewart. Consecutive pitches, too. Bang to right, then bang to left. Bang, Baltimore. BANG!

And I like Joe Nathan striking out 2, almost three in the bottom of the inning for the save :thumbsup :thumbsup

[UNLTrpt]

Yeah that was a big win. Even better though that it came on a day when the CWS lost on a 9th inning home run.

[EatSleepJeep]

Did you see Punto on the baspaths to get the tying run? He's quick

[JimiThingDMB]

Nick 'the quick' Punto

He gives Nicks everywhere a good name ;)

[EatSleepJeep]

Sports Illustrated's top 20 young hitters: Guess what two Twins made it @ 12 & 15? Yep, M&M
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/multimedia/photo_gallery/2005/05/10/young.hitters/content.12.html
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/multimedia/photo_gallery/2005/05/10/young.hitters/content.15.html

[JimiThingDMB]

Big 9 game home stand starts up tonight, I should try and get to a game. Koskie is coming back to town too.

[yoda462]

Big 9 game home stand starts up tonight, I should try and get to a game. Koskie is coming back to town too.

Not a bad idea I should pick up some tickets for this weekend.

[UNLTrpt]

I decided to look back on the past couple of years and tried to figure out if we're degressing a little or just falling victim to the hottest team in baseball.

'02 - 22-13
'03 - 19-16
'04 - 22-13
'05 - 20-15

So we're right on pace, I don't think we have anything to worry about yet. And the CWS can't keep up this pace.

[EatSleepJeep]

Once Thomas comes back, the Sox will fall apart. Guillen has already been quoted as saying he's a drag on the team.

[EatSleepJeep]

Blue Jays(20-18) @ Twins(21-15)
7:10 pm

Towers
4-1, 3.12
vs.
Santana
5-1, 3.21


Remember that the 'J' in Blue Jays is pronounced like a soft 'G' in 'Gauge'. :evil

[JimiThingDMB]

Blue Jays(20-18) @ Twins(21-15)
7:10 pm

Towers
4-1, 3.12
vs.
Santana
5-1, 3.21


Remember that the 'J' in Blue Jays is pronounced like a soft 'G' in 'Gauge'. :evil
:haha

[JimiThingDMB]

What happened to the Twins last night? Did Koskie pull a prank on Santana that made him pitch terrible?

[EatSleepJeep]

I will not discuss last night. disgusting performance.

[JimiThingDMB]

The Twinks need to win the rest of these games to make it a worthwhile home stand, going 1-3 to start isn’t a great way to accomplish anything

[EatSleepJeep]

Milwaukee's Glover just had a 2 inning meltdown and he's hit the showers. Fuck the Brewers.

[tosssweep]

Milwaukee's Glover just had a 2 inning meltdown and he's hit the showers. Fuck the Brewers.
:thumbsup

Mauer just ripped one right up the middle, scoring Stewart and putting Punto on third! :D Stewart and Punto are each 3 for 3 in only the 4th inning. Let's go Morneau!!

[EatSleepJeep]

Great game last night, highly entertaining and a nail biter to the end.

[UNLTrpt]

Hottest player in the league right now? Shannon Stewart. This guy is just unconsious.

[JimiThingDMB]

Hottest player in the league right now? Shannon Stewart. This guy is just unconsious.
What the hell is with him hitting long balls all of a sudden? And he's crushing it too, must have found a new stroke.

[handsareme]

wow, haven't seen this thread in a while.

[EatSleepJeep]

Tribe
@
Twinkies
7:10pm

Sabathia
(3-3, 3.59)
@
Silva
(3-2, 2.85)

[EatSleepJeep]

http://www.antsmarching.org/forum/showthread.php?p=2925369#post2925369

[EatSleepJeep]

And Gardy gets ejected. I love watching that part.

[JimiThingDMB]

I see you were talking shit in the Indians thread, glad one of us from the Twins side has the audacity to conquer another team's thread.

[EatSleepJeep]

It would have been better had Morneau's 9th inning, 2 out, full count fly-out gone another 12 feet.

[handsareme]

Damn, damn, damn.

[EatSleepJeep]

Tiffee sent down to Rochester
Rivas to the 15 day DL

Brent Abernathy and Michael Ryan have been called up to fill in.

[EatSleepJeep]

Tonight:
Mussina (5-3, 3.90)
@
Lohse (4-3, 4.22)
7:10pm

Twins are 3.5 back of the ChiSox.


And this is a travesty:
St. Louis first baseman Albert Pujols has received more votes than any National Leaguer with 570,004 ballots, giving him a lead of more than 300,000 over NL Triple Crown threat Derrek Lee of the Chicago Cubs.

[UNLTrpt]

And this is a travesty:
St. Louis first baseman Albert Pujols has received more votes than any National Leaguer with 570,004 ballots, giving him a lead of more than 300,000 over NL Triple Crown threat Derrek Lee of the Chicago Cubs.

What do you expect? These all-star games are all popularity contests anyway. And he's one of the most liked players in the game right now.

[PilotC150]

The best Bullpen in the AL does their job once again and hands the Yankees their 6th consecutive loss.

A big thanks to Jesse Crain, Juan Rincon and Joe Nathan with each pitching to only 3 batters and each registering 3 outs.

But definatly not taking anything away from Kyle Lohse and his quality start.

Also, congrats to Brent Abernathy on his first homerun in almost 3 years. But mostly a big thanks to Lew Ford for his 3rd 3-run shot of the year!

[tosssweep]

LEEEEEWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!

Yeah, good job to all of the Twins pitchers tonight, and congrats to Abernathy on his loud return to the Major Leagues!

[EatSleepJeep]

Wang (3-1, 4.06)
vs.
Mays (3-2, 3.73)

Let's make it 7 in row for Yankers losses.

Eddie is going to be there, I'm going to be there, 46,000 of our closest friends are going to be there. It should be fun.

[UNLTrpt]

Excellent game last night. Was logged on to game tracker when Lew hit the homer.

[EatSleepJeep]

Stupid Tiffee. Not only did he make the error at first that put two men on for Cano's 2 RBI double; he stepped on first before throwing home which allowed the tying run to score on the bases loaded infield grounder. Moron.

[UNLTrpt]

sounded like tough luck tonight. A split with Yankees isn't bad though.

[PilotC150]

Stupid Tiffee. Not only did he make the error at first that put two men on for Cano's 2 RBI double; he stepped on first before throwing home which allowed the tying run to score on the bases loaded infield grounder. Moron.
Give him a little slack, he's not a first baseman.

[EatSleepJeep]

Give him a little slack, he's not a first baseman.

Then he shouldn't have been standing there. Bases loaded with 1 out and it's hit to the infield. Where do you go? HOME! So after he stepped on first(wasting time and destroying the force at the plate) they intentionally walked Rodriguez to load them up again. So it started off 4-3 with bases loaded and 1 out. After Tiffee's idiocy it was 4-4 with bases loaded and 2 out. Had he just thrown home, it would have been 4-3 with bases loaded and 2 out. I don't know about you, but I like the 4-3 scenario better.

Some Yankers fans were mouthing off after the game too which I replied, "208 million ought to get you one win every seven games or so."

[PilotC150]

...nothing's sweeter.

And they can't even complain that they were missing a few of the big guys because we weren't even close to our full roster.

[EatSleepJeep]

2 of 3 from the yankers is always satisfying, just wish i could have seen one of them.

It's Ok, I'll be seeing a few at KC this July...

[UNLTrpt]

2 of 3 from the yankers is always satisfying, just wish i could have seen one of them.

It's Ok, I'll be seeing a few at KC this July...


You didn't see any of them? I thought you said you were going?

[PilotC150]

You didn't see any of them? I thought you said you were going?
He wanted to see one of the ones we won, he saw the one we lost.

[UNLTrpt]

3 best record in the bigs and we're 4 games back. :rolleyes

They're playing well and finding ways to come back and win the close ones.

[EatSleepJeep]

But we're losing a lot of close ones too. 4 of the last 5 losses have been 4-3 finals, and the 5th one was a 6-5. Too many one run losses...

[UNLTrpt]

we're 10-12 in one run games. Yeah that's not that good but we're 36-25 so if we would have won half more of those one run games we'd be 42-19, only a half game up on the CWS.

We're well on our way to winning 95+ games if we stay on this pace. I still feel good about that regardless if it's the division or the WC.

[bdb23]

Screw it, I'm just giving up and rooting for the White Sox.

[seekup755]

Screw it, I'm just giving up and rooting for the White Sox.

Now you sir, are a smart Minnesota fan :)

We could use the extra fans on the south side...best team in baseball and still can't sell out Comiskey..

[System]

But the twins suck,

I am going to jump on the band wagon and go for the sox

[JimiThingDMB]

What the hell is going on around here? It looks like we’ve been infiltrated with bastards

[mihighdavehead]

What the hell is going on around here? It looks like we’ve been infiltrated with bastards
:thumbsup :lol :lol

[seekup755]

What the hell is going on around here? It looks like we’ve been infiltrated with bastards

Haha...i'm feelin the warm and fuzzies in this thread.

[JimiThingDMB]

Haha...i'm feelin the warm and fuzzies in this thread.
It’s like leaving the screen door open a second too long and all the mosquitoes sneak in and wreak havoc on your house….where’s the bug spray? :violent

[handsareme]

Here's some bug spray...

[EatSleepJeep]

What the hell is going on around here? It looks like we’ve been infiltrated with bastards


Just some juvenile delinquents that seized my avatar and signature durting my 'vacation'. Nothing to worry about.

Helluva an 11th inning Win last night. Shannon Stewart is back.

[handsareme]

Welcome back.

[EddieW33]

Hey y'all...Im back...

Sorry, I have been in transition - new job, apartment, etc. So, I have only been in alpine...in fact, I was just pulled away for 20 minutes helping a client. Oh well, just wanted to drop in a say:

c'mon guys, pull your shit together!!! The Chi Sox have to flop at some point...maybe the playoffs will be a great place to put them in their place!!!

Oh well, keep your heads up, lets have a 2 or 3 win weekend, and get the race going!!!

HAve a good weekend y'all, I will try to stop in again every so often!!!

[d+ter]

hey.

so i had to stay home yesterday from the noon game. i was there for the embarrasment tuesday and wednesday. and i figured they just needed a day off from me. and luckily i was right.

can i ask a question... have you ever booed at a twins game? personally i HATE it when twins "fans" boo our team. i don't think there's ever a point to booing. if they're down then it's our job to cheer and pick them up.

just a thought.

discuss....

[JimiThingDMB]

hey.

so i had to stay home yesterday from the noon game. i was there for the embarrasment tuesday and wednesday. and i figured they just needed a day off from me. and luckily i was right.

can i ask a question... have you ever booed at a twins game? personally i HATE it when twins "fans" boo our team. i don't think there's ever a point to booing. if they're down then it's our job to cheer and pick them up.

just a thought.

discuss....
I want someone to come to my job and sit behind me while I’m at the computer and boo me for posting on Ants, that’s how ridiculous it is to do it at a game

[Nick@Night]

Not a bad couple of series against the worst teams in baseball, took 5 out of 6, but should have been two clean sweeps against teams this pitiful. It looks like Lohse is starting to come around, now Radke and Santana need to get their shit together a little bit better and we might be able to start heading in the right direction.

[UNLTrpt]

Long way to make up against the CWS. It's been done before but we need to get some luck going our way.

Fuckin' CWS.

[Nick@Night]

The Sox havent had their annual injury that desimates the team (well, The Big Hurt, but he doesnt count). If one of the guys in their rotation goes down I think that'll throw them off their game, they havent had the proverbial wrench thrown in their gears yet.

[dmb_41_sd]

I dont think we can rely on the sox going down on their own. They're sick of seeing the twins on top of the division. They're going to be tough down the road especially if the twins cant solidify their lineup and the sox stay as healthy as they have. I think the race will turn into a three way down the road with the end twins on top by a game or two and cleveland back by 6-8.

[EatSleepJeep]

Correct. We can't control what chicago does, but we sure can give them a run for their money. It makes me sad that Torii was quoted as saying that the Twins are playing for the wild card now, but he's probably right if CWS keeps this going. Otherwise the Twins are positioned well to take over if Chicago stumbles. They're having an unbelieveable year, so the Twinkies just have to win what they can and try to stick close. The WS have to have a slump eventually.

[d+ter]

Correct. We can't control what chicago does, but we sure can give them a run for their money. It makes me sad that Torii was quoted as saying that the Twins are playing for the wild card now, but he's probably right if CWS keeps this going. Otherwise the Twins are positioned well to take over if Chicago stumbles. They're having an unbelieveable year, so the Twinkies just have to win what they can and try to stick close. The WS have to have a slump eventually.

i agree and that took me aback when i saw that too, but he is being realistic. i really think there is such a thing as setting your sights too high. and maybe it's a thing where, instead of being down on themselves for always chasing the sox (which seems like an impossible task -- catching them -- this year) they can take advantage of the adrenaline and emotion that comes from being in a race. they are only a game up on cleveland in the wild card, but at least that's not 8 and a half games back.

big win last night by the way!!!! i really wish mauer would start coming through...i think i have my expectations set too high with him, but he just doesn't seem to hit very well. and morneau in the 7 hole?? i realize it's tactical (LRLRLR) but still...that's depressing too.

oh well. see some of you for the game next friday (the 15th) it's my birthday present from my fiance!! :thumbsup

[tosssweep]

NEWS FLASH:

Looks like the Twins have acquired Bret Boone from the Mariners! Here's to an improved infield, and hopefully some more run support! :thumbsup :thumbsup

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/3754172

[UNLTrpt]

just about to post it got beat by 15 mins.

it will be nice to have a vet on the squad.

[SatelliteEyes]

Wow, now the Brett Boone post-steroid free fall can continue.

[d+ter]

hm.......this trade perplexes me. we've got a billion second basemen. we need a third basemen. what happened to the joe randa rumblings from the last few weeks? seriously. boone is a career .252 hitter. nick punto or rivas can do fine at second. ahhhhhh.

[EatSleepJeep]

No. Bad. Wrong. No.

[EatSleepJeep]

No. Bad. Wrong. No.
repeated for emphasis.

[SatelliteEyes]

Nick Punto and Luis Rivas should never be the answer to the question "who is starting at 2nd base tdoday?"

That said, Boone has been awful this year. Look at those 2004 and 2005 numbers, just when they started testing for juice. Big shocker....

[EatSleepJeep]

My thoughts
http://antsmarching.org/forum/showpost.php?p=3106739&postcount=29426

[EatSleepJeep]

Plus he's a cry-baby.

There's no crying in baseball.

[Nick@Night]

I guess when you've started 4 guys at second base already before the all-star break, you'll let anyone take a shot at it.

[jmhawk1]

grrr...why?
damn boone.
curses.
egads...

[Nick@Night]

Worth a shot, right? Not like we're gonna catch the Sox by splitting series with teams like KC

[UNLTrpt]

I'll give the Twins the benifit of the doubt for a while now.

[bdb23]

Who trolled me today???? It was a frickin' joke while your beloved (and my friend) Matthew was on hiatus. Saying I was rooting for the White Sox was done when I adopted Matthew's avatar (North Stars) and sig. Damn pussies.

EDIT: 4:25pm (CST). Let me guess....

[UNLTrpt]

you better not be saying I did it...

[Ccronks]

Hey, if I was a Minnesota Twins Fan Club member in the past, do I retain that? I think I was #3.

[JimiThingDMB]

Hey, if I was a Minnesota Twins Fan Club member in the past, do I retain that? I think I was #3.
Not when you spend multiple months as a foreigner

[Ccronks]

Not when you spend multiple months as a foreigner
Gotcha, didn't know if it carried over from year to year.

I'll just call myself Collingwood Magpies fan club member #1 :p

[handsareme]

My parents and brother/sis-in-law were at the dismal display on Saturday. My brothers in law's and he and his wife were at the game on Sunday. At least they got to see one win.

[bohazo]

I hope the M's sent a lot of cash because Boone is not worth the shit I took in the toilet this morning. Who knows, he might find a home in Minnestoa but still-this looks like a very bad move to me.

[EatSleepJeep]

Hey, if I was a Minnesota Twins Fan Club member in the past, do I retain that? I think I was #3.

As the official number giver outer guy for the Twins fan club, I can say with absolute certainty that you were not #3. In fact I don't remember if I ever gave you a number. But then again I don't remember a lot of things.

EddieW33 #1
EatSleepJeep #2
Rapunzelchick #3
UNLTrpt #4
handsareme #5
jimithingdmb #6
bohazo #7
jmhawk1 #8
tosssweeep #9
russel.goerend #10

That's where my records end. I think #14 is available if you want it.

Dan, Megan, and I were in KC for Saturday and Sunday's games. Saturday was a meltdown. We saw a hit-fest, though. Sundays game was awesome, a real nailbiter. Lew Ford can fly when called upon. We flipped out.

[JimiThingDMB]

Just saw the SC 30 at 30 or whatever, and he talked about the Boone trade, and he said Boone was quoted as saying Minnesota is where he wanted to be......what a homeowner.

[Ccronks]

As the official number giver outer guy for the Twins fan club, I can say with absolute certainty that you were not #3. In fact I don't remember if I ever gave you a number. But then again I don't remember a lot of things.

EddieW33 #1
EatSleepJeep #2
Rapunzelchick #3
UNLTrpt #4
handsareme #5
jimithingdmb #6
bohazo #7
jmhawk1 #8
tosssweeep #9
russel.goerend #10

That's where my records end. I think #14 is available if you want it.

Dan, Megan, and I were in KC for Saturday and Sunday's games. Saturday was a meltdown. We saw a hit-fest, though. Sundays game was awesome, a real nailbiter. Lew Ford can fly when called upon. We flipped out.
Ah ha! I just found the PM :)

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From: EatSleepJeep
To: Ccronks
Date: 2004-08-19 13:12
Title: FAn Club
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
You may be
Minnesota Twins Fan Club Member #5
if you like...

I don't know why the hell I download these, most are useless PM's, but I can't believe I found this :lol

EDIT: But then again, this was from last season...

[handsareme]

I'm Twins fan club member #5!

[tosssweep]

I used to be #6, but took it out last winter during basketball season (big mistake, yea I know) and now I am #9.

I'm just happy to be a member!!!11!!1 [/schoolgirl fluster :p]

[bohazo]

This is the Boone influence at work-and so soon! If we are to over come the mighty White Sox (did I really just say that?) we must stick togther!

[EatSleepJeep]

Ah ha! I just found the PM :)

================================================== ==============================
From: EatSleepJeep
To: Ccronks
Date: 2004-08-19 13:12
Title: FAn Club
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
You may be
Minnesota Twins Fan Club Member #5
if you like...

I don't know why the hell I download these, most are useless PM's, but I can't believe I found this :lol

EDIT: But then again, this was from last season...


Wowza. That's ancient. Take 11, i haven't found anybody with it yet.

[SatelliteEyes]

Wow, now the Brett Boone post-steroid free fall can continue.

ouch, a -2 in rep points for pointing out that he has been bad this year and wondering out loud if he was on the juice...and to think the Twins are probably my favorite AL team. Thanks twins fans.

[rapunzelchick]

Anyone else hear Ron Gardenhire's rant last night?

I don't know enough about baseball to have a worthwhile opinion one way or the other as to the content of his complaints, but I'll admit I've been laughing all morning listening to KQRS play it over and over.
He's usually so chill...it was funny to hear him say "kiss my ass"! :lol

[EatSleepJeep]

Anyone else hear Ron Gardenhire's rant last night?

I don't know enough about baseball to have a worthwhile opinion one way or the other as to the content of his complaints, but I'll admit I've been laughing all morning listening to KQRS play it over and over.
He's usually so chill...it was funny to hear him say "kiss my ass"! :lol


I missed this. :( I love gardy's rants.

[rapunzelchick]

I missed this. :( I love gardy's rants.

Maybe 92kqrs.com will have it up later. Apparently Bob was the only one who caught it on tape (at least that's what they're saying on KQ).

[rapunzelchick]

I did find this article: http://www.startribune.com/stories/509/5513465.html


Not quite the same as the audio though. :o

[EatSleepJeep]

atta boy, gardy. get the boys fired up.

[EddieW33]

Maybe 92kqrs.com will have it up later. Apparently Bob was the only one who caught it on tape (at least that's what they're saying on KQ).

This shit was toooooooooooooo funny...heard it this AM on the drive into work, but didn't catch the entire bit...but Gardy was fired up :lol

I have not given up, but this is getting annoying...I mean, enough with the 1 run games, thank you. It is time to start hitting and supporting those pitchers...and it is possible to be good in the field and still be able to hit at the same time.

WIN TWINS!!!

[EatSleepJeep]

the have lost(and one) som many 1 run games, it has to be a record(i think bert said they're leading the league). It pisses me off. WE gotta win those.

[UNLTrpt]

Poosible deal brewing between the BoSox and Twins:

Here's what's moving through the Twins' grapevine these days:

The Red Sox have called the Twins looking for pitching. Boston is believed to be interested in lefthander J.C. Romero, who could help stabilize a bullpen that had a 5.51 ERA entering Monday -- the second-highest in the American League.

The Twins, of course, are looking for hitting, and the Red Sox might be willing to deal veteran third baseman Bill Mueller, who is batting .277 with four homers, 36 RBI and a .379 on-base percentage.

Mueller was the 2003 AL batting champion when he hit .326 with 19 homers and 85 RBI. Those numbers fell to .283, 12 and 57 last year. He is making $2.5 million and will be a free agent after the season.

First baseman-outfielder Kevin Millar also is available, although he indicated to Boston reporters he would prefer to stay with the World Series champions.

44

[EatSleepJeep]

Only if we get an automatic contract extension from Mueller, otherwise we're just throwing Romero away. At least in the Mientkiewicz deal we got a AA pitcher, and we still got the short end of that stick.

[UNLTrpt]

Only if we get an automatic contract extension from Mueller, otherwise we're just throwing Romero away. At least in the Mientkiewicz deal we got a AA pitcher, and we still got the short end of that stick.

But the deal to get rid of Minetkewicz was as much to get Morneau in the regular starting lineup as it was getting something in return for Doug.

42.

[UNLTrpt]

Same with Pierzinski...it was more about getting Mauer the day to day play that he needed.

41

[Pannagpamp]

Alright folks, i've been meaning to ask this since i first saw the Minnesota Twins Fan Club Member on a sig.

How do i get in?? What number would I be?

If there are requirements, i'm sure i'll them all.

Joe

[UNLTrpt]

Twins and O's on the ESPN mothership right now. 2-2 in the 8th. Wow another close game for the Twins :rolleyes

Twins are 19-19 in one run games. Lead the majors in both catagories...wins in 1 run games and losses in one run games.

11 of the 16 games this month have been one run decisions. Our last 7 decisions have all been won or lost by 1 run.


19

[d+ter]

Alright folks, i've been meaning to ask this since i first saw the Minnesota Twins Fan Club Member on a sig.

How do i get in?? What number would I be?

If there are requirements, i'm sure i'll them all.

Joe

eatsleepjeep will get in touch with you pretty soon. shoot him a pm if you want...he posted like four before you.

BOTTOM OF THE NINTH BABY!!!!!!!!!!! HUGE GAME LAST NIGHT!!! WE WERE GOIN NUTS!! I can't believe they actually came through in the clutch. this would be another huge win. I'm moving back to iowa on Sunday...last night was game #8 for the summer (i can't fit em all in my sig) so it was an AWESOME way to end my summer!

Hunter-Jones-Morneau. I for one would really like to see Morneau break that 0-21 slump with a GWHR. but that's just me ;)

[d+ter]

Poosible deal brewing between the BoSox and Twins:

Here's what's moving through the Twins' grapevine these days:

The Red Sox have called the Twins looking for pitching. Boston is believed to be interested in lefthander J.C. Romero, who could help stabilize a bullpen that had a 5.51 ERA entering Monday -- the second-highest in the American League.

The Twins, of course, are looking for hitting, and the Red Sox might be willing to deal veteran third baseman Bill Mueller, who is batting .277 with four homers, 36 RBI and a .379 on-base percentage.

Mueller was the 2003 AL batting champion when he hit .326 with 19 homers and 85 RBI. Those numbers fell to .283, 12 and 57 last year. He is making $2.5 million and will be a free agent after the season.

First baseman-outfielder Kevin Millar also is available, although he indicated to Boston reporters he would prefer to stay with the World Series champions.

44

I will take either of those M's to add to ours. (where did you get that story? it looks copy/pasted)

-russ

[d+ter]

GONE!!!1111 TOUCH EM ALL!!!!!!! OH YA. JACQUE JONES BABY!!!!!!!!


:bounce :monkey

[UNLTrpt]

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

go Jacque. We needed this one.

16

[Bjkennedy24]

YAHTZEE!!


Walk-off HR Jacque Jones!!!

[Pannagpamp]

Twins Win! Twins Win!

[EatSleepJeep]

can we call this a streak yet?

[d+ter]

can we call this a streak yet?

2 GAME WINNING STREAK BABY!!!!!!!! bring on the tigers!

[Pannagpamp]

Detroit's up on the Sox 2-1 in the 5th.

Let's keep closing the gap.

[EatSleepJeep]

2 GAME WINNING STREAK BABY!!!!!!!! bring on the tigers!


I love chanting "ALCS" while at Twins/Tigers games. :evil

[tompeas13]

It doesnt look like you guys in Minnesota are going to be swept in the first round this year. Right now it looks like my WhiteSox are going to take the AL Central and get swept, granted they dont choke again.

[JimiThingDMB]

Second day in a row where Mr. Jones deserves the congratulatory blow job from the team groupie.

[d+ter]

alright this is the beginning of very good things. keep the faith!

[tosssweep]

Second day in a row where Mr. Jones deserves the congratulatory blow job from the team groupie.

Yea, where was Jones on Monday night when I was there with my youth group??? WE NEEDED YOU JACQUE!!!!

[EatSleepJeep]

Fuck the tigers. We kick tiger ass. yep. kicked. yo. ass.

[UNLTrpt]

Wow. Could you say the Twins are on a bit of a roll now? They are probably going to need to sweep the Tigers with the yanks and BoSox coming up to have some sort of chance going into August. The Yanks and BoSox series will be a good litmus test to see if we can either come back in the central or compete for the wild card.


4

[UNLTrpt]

Hopefully I can catch some Twins games sometime in August in the dome. Either the BoSox series or the Seattle series. It'll all depend on when my mom can go. Yep son and mother going to a baseball game. I love mom.

2

[Pannagpamp]

The only thing keeping me from watching the now on a roll Twins is 2 nights at Alpine.

Good luck in the doubleheader and i'll tune in when i get home Monday night.

For everyone else who's going to Alpine, i hope you enjoy it as much as i will!!

[EatSleepJeep]

dammit.

12-6 going into seventh

[PilotC150]

Thoughts and prayers go out to Torii Hunter with hopes that he'll be able to play baseball again this season.

[UNLTrpt]

Thoughts and prayers go out to Torii Hunter with hopes that he'll be able to play baseball again this season.

What happened to Torii?

[UNLTrpt]

awwwww crap....leg injury...is it bad?

[UNLTrpt]

looks like it's a strained tendon.

BOSTON -- Twins center fielder Torii Hunter strained a tendon in his left ankle in a collision with the fence and was taken off the field on a cart during the first inning of Friday's game against the Red Sox at Fenway Park.

No word was immediately available on how much time Hunter would be out. X-rays for fractures were negative, but the team said Hunter will have an MRI on Monday.

Hunter was attempting to catch a long fly to center field off David Ortiz's bat when he hit with the fence. His spike appeared to get caught on the fence's padding.

Television replays showed the 30-year-old Hunter, a four-time Gold Glove winner and AL starter in the 2002 All-Star Game, grimace in pain immediately as he fell to the warning track. He was unable to make the catch as Ortiz went to second base with a double.

Hunter spent several moments down on the field as Twins players and trainers rushed to his aid. The injury was serious enough for him to be taken off the field a cart through a door in the center field wall. Lew Ford was called on to replace him in the field.

This season, Hunter has a team-leading 14 home runs while batting .269 with 50 RBIs and 23 stolen bases. He had yet to bat in Friday's game.

[UNLTrpt]

Torii out 4-6 weeks... *sigh*

this is not good.

[d+ter]

Torii out 4-6 weeks... *sigh*

this is not good.

awesome. just awesome. at least leeeeeeeeewwwww can get some everyday pt.

[UNLTrpt]

awesome. just awesome. at least leeeeeeeeewwwww can get some everyday pt.
how is this awso.....


oh you were being sarcastic...I hope :shrug

[Pannagpamp]

Hopefully when he gets back to Mpls the injury will turn out not as bad as they thought. That's all we can hope for.

[greystgirl]

Bad news for Twins' fans: :(

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2121938


Hunter suffered broken ankle, not tendon tear

Associated Press
MINNEAPOLIS -- Minnesota Twins (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/clubhouse?team=min) center fielder Torii Hunter (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=5884) will miss at least another month, if not the rest of the season, because of a broken left ankle.

Hunter had an MRI and CT scan on Monday, which revealed a small undisplaced fracture of his talus, which is a bone in the ankle.

The injury occurred on Friday night in Boston, when Hunter -- a four-time Gold Glove winner -- tried to make a catch by climbing the center-field wall at Fenway Park.

The Twins initially feared Hunter had torn a tendon in the ankle, which would probably require surgery and force him out for the rest of the year. There's no tear, team spokesman Mike Herman said, but Hunter will be on crutches for three-to-four weeks and miss an undetermined amount of time.

It's crippling news for Minnesota, which loses its best defensive player and a leader in the clubhouse. Plus, Hunter's 63 runs, 24 doubles, 56 RBI and 23 steals are tops on the team. He's batting .269 with 14 homers.

The Twins, who have lost eight of their last 10, began the day 14½ games behind the Chicago White Sox (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/clubhouse?team=cha) in the AL Central and four games back of the Oakland Athletics (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/clubhouse?team=oak) in the wild-card race.

[PilotC150]

Twins released Bret Boone today and called up Jason Bartlett.

Hopefully we can get some bats going and hopefully they'll be contagious.

[EatSleepJeep]

It's looking grim, sportsfans.

[JimiThingDMB]

They are a 5 game losing streak away from phoning it in.

[UNLTrpt]

It's looking grim, sportsfans.

yep. Exactly what I was thinking. I would have had renewed hope if they had done a deadline deal but...nothin.

[EatSleepJeep]

Fucking Cleveland.