"the economy can wait, terrorism cannot!!"

[angelces]

Saw this sign the other day hanging from a bridge on the way to work. it irked me to no end. I wanted to start a thread about it but politics had just started to die down in nDMBc. So here it goes.

Thoughts on this statement?

[Number27]

Total shit if you ask me.

[OklahomaMama]

exactly... if the economy is in the toilet how do we PAY for the fight on terrorism?

[angelces]

needless to say the sign was down when I drove under that same bridge the next day.

I was just wondering if there was anyone out there who agreed with this mentality and why?

[save me]

I really irks me that certain propoganda continues to use "terrorism" as a scare tactic!

BTW, I saw a great bumper sticker the other day: "Free your mind; shoot your tv"...an older couple got out of the car here in rural midwest, of course, at Wal-Mart...anyway, reminded me of the Red Hot Chili Peppers song.

[stimmerman]

The terrorists, the ones that wish to do us harm on here in America, not the "insurgents" in Iraq, are very patient. They will wait to attack us when the time is right for them.

It is ludicrous to ignore domestic issues, to focus on a problem that could very well never go away.

[OklahomaMama]

I really irks me that certain propoganda continues to use "terrorism" as a scare tactic!

BTW, I saw a great bumper sticker the other day: "Free your mind; shoot your tv"...an older couple got out of the car here in rural midwest, of course, at Wal-Mart...anyway, reminded me of the Red Hot Chili Peppers song.throw away your television.... NOW!
oi oi oi!

sorry, i was overcome by the RHCP reference...
carry on
:D

[FriedSquad]

well we can lower taxes so the government has less money and needs to borrow more thus increasing the deficit and put the onus on future generations who are being screwed by No Child Left Behind. Sounds like a great plan! Yeah Republicans.



exactly... if the economy is in the toilet how do we PAY for the fight on terrorism?

[angelces]

well last time I checked the economy was a target of al queda... hence threats on the prudential building and the NYSE.

[save me]

throw away your television.... NOW!
oi oi oi!

sorry, i was overcome by the RHCP reference...
carry on
:D

Right on! That is one of my favorite songs on that album!

[Spicy McHaggis]

exactly... if the economy is in the toilet how do we PAY for the fight on terrorism?
What good is an economy when you're dead?

[stimmerman]

What good is an economy when you're dead?
That's deep...

[angelces]

so it's the chicken and the egg debate now?

If we're dead there's no economy, if there's no economy there's no money, if there's no money, there's no war on anything. but in all of these scenarios we will always have terrorists.

[System]

Actually if you look at it. Bush didn't mess up the economy a intern screwing, grand jurying lying president did that.. Economy doesn't just fall apart. it takes years for an ecomony to enter a recesion.

Don't blame the accession on Bush, blame it on Monica, she was distracting Clinton.

Don't blame the war on terrorism on Bush either, he is just playing the card that was dealt to him.

We could have the guy who invented the internet in office and follow the Clinton war on terrorism playbook. Lob a couple cruise missles at them. Think of how many more attacks would have come if we hadn't gone after them and attacked them.

[Spicy McHaggis]

That's deep...
About as deep as the rest of this thread.

I'd like to know what makes anyone say the economy is bad?

[Dancing Ants]

exactly... if the economy is in the toilet how do we PAY for the fight on terrorism?

if terrorists attack the US again, how does the economy stay afloat? Did you notice what happened after 9/11?

[twosteppn36]

I'd like to know what makes anyone say the economy is bad?



are you serious?

[Spicy McHaggis]

Name the reasons.

[jester29]

I think we all can agree that BOTH the economy and terrorism need to be addressed, and not at the exclusion of the other... :)

[Davenumber40]

About as deep as the rest of this thread.

I'd like to know what makes anyone say the economy is bad?

Are you kidding? My family (one of my parents is a school teacher and the other a librarian, and they are putting me through college right now) had to limit ourselves to 2 vactions this year! Only 2! Things have gotten so bad I'm ready to sell off my car, new computer, and everything else I have and move to Austailia.

[Spicy McHaggis]

:lol :lol :lol

[System]

The economy is going good, not great but good.

A lot of the complaining and moaning about the bad ecomomy is from people that where living at the edge of their limits during the great years. Now that it isn't as great they are starting to hurt.

[twosteppn36]

Name the reasons.



Millions of people are unemployed because the lack of jobs....Millions are without health insurance...rising property and sales taxes....basic public services are being cut by states....

need any more?

[System]

Millions of people are unemployed because the lack of jobs....

Tell John Kerry's wife to bring her company's factories back to the states then.

[Davenumber40]

Millions of people are unemployed because the lack of jobs....Millions are without health insurance...rising property and sales taxes....basic public services are being cut by states....

need any more?

Have people completely lost sight of how economies operate? Just because millions are unemployed doesn't mean the economy is not fairly strong, or isn't improving. 280 million people live in America, the idea that millions aren't going to be unemployed is ridiculous. I think you've listed off some blanket statements above. It's real easy to say millions are unemployed but how does America compare to the position it was in 20 years ago or to other countries around the world. No it isn't booming like it was in '97 but it fluctuates and there isn't anything an administration can do about flucuations. If anyone should be blamed it should be Clinton. Let's remember that the economy busted in '99.

[System]

.. If anyone should be blamed it should be Clinton. Let's remember that the economy busted in '99..


HAHA!!!

SOMEBODY FINALLY AGREES WITH ME!!!!

[Dancing Ants]

Are you kidding? My family (one of my parents is a school teacher and the other a librarian, and they are putting me through college right now) had to limit ourselves to 2 vactions this year! Only 2! Things have gotten so bad I'm ready to sell off my car, new computer, and everything else I have and move to Austailia.

nevermind.

[Dancing Ants]

.


HAHA!!!

SOMEBODY FINALLY AGREES WITH ME!!!!

me too.

[Davenumber40]

ONLY 2!!!! HOLY SHIT.


I haven't been on an actual "leave my home, go somewhere nice" vacation since 1995. Deal with it.


PS- in case my sarcasm detector was turned off, ignore.

That was sarcasm.

[twosteppn36]

.


HAHA!!!

SOMEBODY FINALLY AGREES WITH ME!!!!



:lol :lol :lol

[JonTheRvelator]

all political signs suck.

even when I agree with them they annoy me. (bumper stickers)

[System]

all political signs suck.

even when I agree with them they annoy me. (bumper stickers)

My grandpa yelled at me for my Bush/Cheney sticker....lets just say he isn't a fan

[JonTheRvelator]

:lol

Bush/Cheney stickers rule.

oh wait. :)

[DrFartbrain]

Saw this sign the other day hanging from a bridge on the way to work. it irked me to no end. I wanted to start a thread about it but politics had just started to die down in nDMBc. So here it goes.

Thoughts on this statement?

Do you live in Northern New Jersey by any chance?

[SaraEve]

well we can lower taxes so the government has less money and needs to borrow more thus increasing the deficit and put the onus on future generations who are being screwed by No Child Left Behind. Sounds like a great plan! Yeah Republicans.
The NO CHILD LEFT BEHIND program is Bullshit. I know because I am dealing with it today, as we speak. I have been on the phone with about five offices, trying to get an explination as to WHY she is not being admitted to the gifted and talented school in my city, when she was reccomended, an honor student, and scored in the 92 PERCENTILE of the Terra Nova tests. Why? Because the classes are full. So my sister has to go back to a school that has no gym, no music program, AND where she has been threatened with a knife by another student.

She was in Kindergarden.

IMMEDIATE issues need to be addressed. The is no reason to dump BILLIONS of dollars into a defense fund that we hear about on the news every day. Dump the money in HEALTH CARE!!!

Of course, I may be biased, considering I am 300,000 dollars in debt due to my illness. AND I have insurance.

[save me]

The NO CHILD LEFT BEHIND program is Bullshit. I know because I am dealing with it today, as we speak. I have been on the phone with about five offices, trying to get an explination as to WHY she is not being admitted to the gifted and talented school in my city, when she was reccomended, an honor student, and scored in the 92 PERCENTILE of the Terra Nova tests. Why? Because the classes are full. So my sister has to go back to a school that has no gym, no music program, AND where she has been threatened with a knife by another student.

She was in Kindergarden.

IMMEDIATE issues need to be addressed. The is no reason to dump BILLIONS of dollars into a defense fund that we hear about on the news every day. Dump the money in HEALTH CARE!!!

Of course, I may be biased, considering I am 300,000 dollars in debt due to my illness. AND I have insurance.

WOW!!! Way to vent! No Child Left Behind is a "governmental" solution to a financial-education problem. It is not there to help students that can read (or in your case, are more than successful)...it's purpose is to prove that with very limited/dwindling funds and limited/dwindling resources... schools are unable to reach EVERY student. As an educator, I embrace assessing learning for every student...but, do I believe that scare tactics and financial punishment are a solution to a this problem...NO WAY!

[cyberhound]

The NO CHILD LEFT BEHIND program is Bullshit. I know because I am dealing with it today, as we speak. I have been on the phone with about five offices, trying to get an explination as to WHY she is not being admitted to the gifted and talented school in my city, when she was reccomended, an honor student, and scored in the 92 PERCENTILE of the Terra Nova tests. Why? Because the classes are full. So my sister has to go back to a school that has no gym, no music program, AND where she has been threatened with a knife by another student.

She was in Kindergarden.

IMMEDIATE issues need to be addressed. The is no reason to dump BILLIONS of dollars into a defense fund that we hear about on the news every day. Dump the money in HEALTH CARE!!!

Of course, I may be biased, considering I am 300,000 dollars in debt due to my illness. AND I have insurance.
Define the function of government. Let's have your definition and then the definition in the constitution.

[SaraEve]

WOW!!! Way to vent! No Child Left Behind is a "governmental" solution to a financial-education problem. It is not there to help students that can read (or in your case, are more than successful)...it's purpose is to prove that with very limited/dwindling funds and limited/dwindling resources... schools are unable to reach EVERY student. As an educator, I embrace assessing learning for every student...but, do I believe that scare tactics and financial punishment are a solution to a this problem...NO WAY!
I understand your point. That is the problem! They know that there is a problem: Dwindling funds, lack of schools, and overcrowded classrooms, etc. But ACKNOWLEDGING the problem does not mean that they are DOING anything about it! Like I say about my sickness "G.I. Joe lied. KNOWING IS NOT HALF OF THE BATTLE. DOING IS." You can't just throw up your hands and say "yes there is a problem, yes we see it, what are we gonna do?" Do I make sense?

And as an educator, I commend you for your views. There should be more people like you... then again, the government is not willing to pay for more people like you. ;)

[TripPin BilLie]

. If anyone should be blamed it should be Clinton. Let's remember that the economy busted in '99.
:lol :lol :thumbsup

[stimmerman]

If anyone should be blamed it should be Clinton. Let's remember that the economy busted in '99.
Yes, but 9/11 also severely impacted the economy and we all know that George W. Bush caused 9/11. Therefore it is all his fault. ;)

[angelces]

Do you live in Northern New Jersey by any chance?
yep Rt 80 is the hell I call home. for 3 hours of commute a day anyway.

[FriedSquad]

The constitution merely outlines a general structure for our governement and though the basic structure will never change the govenment is free to morph within that structure. To read the constitution as a specific set of rules is to ignore its intent.



Define the function of government. Let's have your definition and then the definition in the constitution.

[cyberhound]

The constitution merely outlines a general structure for our governement and though the basic structure will never change the govenment is free to morph within that structure. To read the constitution as a specific set of rules is to ignore its intent.
Actually, it spells out two distinct functions of government and then set's limits on the power of government to intrude upon our individual rights. So while I get your point, there are specific rules and functions that are in the document.

[jester29]

G.I. Joe lied. KNOWING IS NOT HALF OF THE BATTLE. DOING IS

GI Joe didn't lie. Don't you ever accuse such an honorable man. You know, he has three purple hearts. :) Knowing is half the battle... doing is the other half!

[moe.ron]

Actually if you look at it. Bush didn't mess up the economy a intern screwing, grand jurying lying president did that.. Economy doesn't just fall apart. it takes years for an ecomony to enter a recesion.

Don't blame the accession on Bush, blame it on Monica, she was distracting Clinton.

Don't blame the war on terrorism on Bush either, he is just playing the card that was dealt to him.

We could have the guy who invented the internet in office and follow the Clinton war on terrorism playbook. Lob a couple cruise missles at them. Think of how many more attacks would have come if we hadn't gone after them and attacked them.
IRAQ DIDNT FLY PLAINS INTO THE WTC....WE ATTACKED THEM FOR WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION THAT DIDNT EXIST

[JonTheRvelator]

IRAQ DIDNT FLY PLAINS INTO THE WTC....WE ATTACKED THEM FOR WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION THAT DIDNT EXIST

yeah only every major investigation pointed towards them having them.

UN
Russian Intel.
CIA Intel.
British Intel.

What would you have done? Sat on that? I mean really?

[saygoodbye12]

The NO CHILD LEFT BEHIND program is Bullshit. I know because I am dealing with it today, as we speak. I have been on the phone with about five offices, trying to get an explination as to WHY she is not being admitted to the gifted and talented school in my city, when she was reccomended, an honor student, and scored in the 92 PERCENTILE of the Terra Nova tests. Why? Because the classes are full. So my sister has to go back to a school that has no gym, no music program, AND where she has been threatened with a knife by another student.

She was in Kindergarden.

IMMEDIATE issues need to be addressed. The is no reason to dump BILLIONS of dollars into a defense fund that we hear about on the news every day. Dump the money in HEALTH CARE!!!

Of course, I may be biased, considering I am 300,000 dollars in debt due to my illness. AND I have insurance. What does this have to do with NCLB? Would it suddenly make the classrooms bigger?

By the way, I don't know what state you live in (if you let me know I can find out specifics for you), but here, if a child belongs in a gifted program they should have an IEP which would REQUIRE that they receive those services. It goes along with IDEA.

[stimmerman]

As President I would call for larger classrooms. Under my Administration every classroom in America would receive a 10 sq. ft. increase. This is my promise to you.

[stimmerman]

yeah only every major investigation pointed towards them having them.

UN
Russian Intel.
CIA Intel.
British Intel.

What would you have done? Sat on that? I mean really?
I would have focused on the war on terror. There may have been a long-term threat, but imminent, I think not.

I guess it depends on what your definition of imminent is.

[Explicitrydes]

I would have focused on the war on terror. There may have been a long-term threat, but imminent, I think not.

I guess it depends on what your definition of imminent is.


That same thinking resulted in September 11th. Keep ignoring them and maybe they'll stop hating us. Good call

[angelces]

That same thinking resulted in September 11th. Keep ignoring them and maybe they'll stop hating us. Good call
and killing them makes them love us?

And I'm sure that by killing the "bad guys" and a few innocent bystanders, that actually increases our standing with them, rather than spawn more hatred...

yeah.

[saygoodbye12]

I would have focused on the war on terror. There may have been a long-term threat, but imminent, I think not.

I guess it depends on what your definition of imminent is.
Putting everything aside for a second, do you not see anything wrong with this statement?

Does a nuke have to be pointed directly at us before we do something about it? I mean this in a general sense, not specifically Iraq.

I hear all this talk of imminent threat. Why do we need to wait for something horrible to happen to do something about it? If we could have stopped Sept. 11 beforehand by going into Afghanistan 4 years ago, wouldn't that be a better option?

[saygoodbye12]

and killing them makes them love us?

And I'm sure that by killing the "bad guys" and a few innocent bystanders, that actually increases our standing with them, rather than spawn more hatred...

yeah.
what about freeing them from a suppressive dictator?

[Explicitrydes]

and killing them makes them love us?

And I'm sure that by killing the "bad guys" and a few innocent bystanders, that actually increases our standing with them, rather than spawn more hatred...

yeah.

So I suppose we'll just wait until we get attacked again. Then maybe the liberals can come up with a more diplomatic solution.

[Explicitrydes]

what about freeing them from a suppressive dictator?
:thumbsup

[Eckie]

I think terrorism, at least, domestic protection against it, should be our primary concern. The events in Russia over the past week or so have only cemented that belief for me.

Think about how much the economy dropped after Sept. 11. Lost jobs aside, people were very conservative about their spending. I know plenty of people who didn't take a vacation that year, simply out of nervousness. People, in general, were also slow to make big purchases.

Lets put it this way, an economy booms when a society is decently stable. Terrorism basically negates that stability and needs to be prevented in order to have the booming economy everyone misses so much.

Edit:

What is comes down to is what actions are acceptable to elminate terrorism and help out the economy.

[stimmerman]

Putting everything aside for a second, do you not see anything wrong with this statement?

Does a nuke have to be pointed directly at us before we do something about it? I mean this in a general sense, not specifically Iraq.

I hear all this talk of imminent threat. Why do we need to wait for something horrible to happen to do something about it? If we could have stopped Sept. 11 beforehand by going into Afghanistan 4 years ago, wouldn't that be a better option?
You can pick your reasons why we went into Iraq there are several floating around. Afghanistan is a different story. Of course, knowing what I know now, I would support going into Afghanistan 4 years ago and destroying the al Qadea infrastructure. But it wouldn't have been popular to do so for Clinton, and he knew this, especially after the Lewinsky scandal. It's sad that PR stuff like that has to be considered, but it is. Bush's administration made the Iraq invasion popular at the time, in part, by indeirectly linking it to 9/11. It is my opinion that Iraq could have waited. We wouldn't have lost our support from the world and could be fighting a much better war on terror with more allies helping us.

[penn darvis]

what about freeing them from a suppressive dictator?
So what about all the other "suppresive dictators" around the world? What about countries who have openly admitted to having nuclear weapons programs? Why aren't we attacking them too?

[saygoodbye12]

So what about all the other "suppresive dictators" around the world? What about countries who have openly admitted to having nuclear weapons programs? Why aren't we attacking them too?
So because we free one country we have to free them all?

[saygoodbye12]

You can pick your reasons why we went into Iraq there are several floating around. Afghanistan is a different story. Of course, knowing what I know now, I would support going into Afghanistan 4 years ago and destroying the al Qadea infrastructure. But it wouldn't have been popular to do so for Clinton, and he knew this, especially after the Lewinsky scandal. It's sad that PR stuff like that has to be considered, but it is. Bush's administration made the Iraq invasion popular at the time, in part, by indeirectly linking it to 9/11. It is my opinion that Iraq could have waited. We wouldn't have lost our support from the world and could be fighting a much better war on terror with more allies helping us. I wasn't blaming Clinton. I absolutely agree that even though Al Qaeda had attaccked us in 1993 and then off our homeland...not too many people gave a shit...and most likely would have protested against us going into Afghanistan.

But like I said, I wasn't necessarily talking about Iraq. I just don't understand the mindset that a threat needs to be imminent before we take action. Why do our people need to die in order for us to do something?

[Yesac820]

exactly... if the economy is in the toilet how do we PAY for the fight on terrorism?
We pull it out of our asses and add it on to the deficit :rolleyes:

[Explicitrydes]

We pull it out of our asses and add it on to the deficit :rolleyes:
I'll take a larger deficit over having people like Saddam Hussein around any day of the week. Besides history shows that war boosts an economy.

[Eckie]

I'll take a larger deficit over having people like Saddam Hussein around any day of the week. Besides history shows that war boosts an economy.
Organized war does, yes. But that's only because of the goods produced when the nation has adopted a war economy. I doubt we'll be seeing a war like that, unless WW III breaks out...

[penn darvis]

So because we free one country we have to free them all?
No, the United States should never have "freed" any country. If the United States is going to adopt the policy that it is their job to "free" people, what criteria does a nation have to meet in order to get freed?

Furthermore, if we are going to fight this extension of the "war against terror", shouldn't the United States attack countries we know have nuclear weapons or WMDs as opposed to ones we thought had them, but actually didn't?

[saygoodbye12]

No, the United States should never have "freed" any country. If the United States is going to adopt the policy that it is their job to "free" people, what criteria does a nation have to meet in order to get freed?

Furthermore, if we are going to fight this extension of the "war against terror", shouldn't the United States attack countries we know have nuclear weapons or WMDs as opposed to ones we thought had them, but actually didn't?
I didn't say this war was waged entirely to free them. I was responding to Angela's comment about breeding more hatred...even though we freed their country, which so far is one of the results of us being there.

Our job should be to protect ourselves. If a country is a threat we should take care of it. War should never be the first option. Iraq had more than a decade...I think that we were patient enough.

[stimmerman]

I didn't say this war was waged entirely to free them. I was responding to Angela's comment about breeding more hatred...even though we freed their country, which so far is one of the results of us being there.

Our job should be to protect ourselves. If a country is a threat we should take care of it. War should never be the first option. Iraq had more than a decade...I think that we were patient enough.
So you're using the non-compliance with the UN sanctions rationale, not the liberation from evil dictator one, right?

[saygoodbye12]

So you're using the non-compliance with the UN sanctions rationale, not the liberation from evil dictator one, right?
The U.S. did not go in there just to free these people, I think we all know that. But that was a result, and we should be damn proud of it. (well the servicemen and women should :p)

[System]

Has much as I hate to see violence, Bush did what he thought he needed to do at the time with the intellengence that he had. And as Al-Sadr showed in Bum Fuck Iraq you can't negotiate with these religous fanaticals.

I would hate to see John Kerry try to negotiate with them....He would wave his purple hearts at them and say that he earned their respect with those three medals.

I say we nuke the next country that decides to fuck with our safety as a nation.

[System]

and killing them makes them love us?

And I'm sure that by killing the "bad guys" and a few innocent bystanders, that actually increases our standing with them, rather than spawn more hatred...

yeah.

Fuck em all. Fuck all who want to destroy the USA

They took up arms against the United States of America. If they think that if they can slap the big bad western world and they won't come for ya. Your are wrong. I really don't care what these people think, they only react to and recongize violence. We need the scare the holy hell out of the surviving ones that we don't eliminate so they are too scared to harbor terrorist or even entertain the idea of dealing with them.

[saygoodbye12]

Fuck em all. Fuck all who want to destroy the USA

We should just obliterate the entire rest of the world. Except Canada. I guess we can keep them around so we have a place that makes all us Americans feel better about ourselves. :thumbsup

Oh and some tropical Islands. We need someplace to vacation. Plus, they won't breed terrorists. Who will want to blow themselves up when they could lay on a beach drinking margaritas looking at half naked women?

[System]

We should just obliterate the entire rest of the world. Except Canada. I guess we can keep them around so we have a place that makes all us Americans feel better about ourselves. :thumbsup

Oh and some tropical Islands. We need someplace to vacation. Plus, they won't breed terrorists. Who will want to blow themselves up when they could lay on a beach drinking margaritas looking at half naked women?

Can we get rid of only the French speaking part of Canada?

If so, I am game

[saygoodbye12]

Can we get rid of only the French speaking part of Canada?

If so, I am game
Agreed. But we must save Celine Dion...she's the only good thing to come out of there. :p

[digitaldj]

Are you kidding? My family (one of my parents is a school teacher and the other a librarian, and they are putting me through college right now) had to limit ourselves to 2 vactions this year! Only 2!

I'm sure that your circumstances are quite unfortunate and I extend all proper courtesies, but I'm sure many people in this forum only get two vacations a year if they're lucky: the few days off granted by the Feds and certain businesses for Thanksgiving and Christmas.

[System]

Agreed. But we must save Celine Dion...she's the only good thing to come out of there. :p

she is in vegas now anyway...her husband has to stay there and catch the bomb with his teeth

[penn darvis]

I didn't say this war was waged entirely to free them. I was responding to Angela's comment about breeding more hatred...even though we freed their country, which so far is one of the results of us being there.

Our job should be to protect ourselves. If a country is a threat we should take care of it. War should never be the first option. Iraq had more than a decade...I think that we were patient enough.
Well, then you see the second question which was on countries with admitted nuclear weapons programs. Don't they pose an actual threat to us? Iraq was never really a threat. They had nothing of substance(WMDs) to attack us with, their army was pathetic, and they have not supported ONE act of terror against the U.S. in these 10 years.

[marco j]

Actually if you look at it. Bush didn't mess up the economy a intern screwing, grand jurying lying president did that.. Economy doesn't just fall apart. it takes years for an ecomony to enter a recesion.

Don't blame the accession on Bush, blame it on Monica, she was distracting Clinton.

Don't blame the war on terrorism on Bush either, he is just playing the card that was dealt to him.

We could have the guy who invented the internet in office and follow the Clinton war on terrorism playbook. Lob a couple cruise missles at them. Think of how many more attacks would have come if we hadn't gone after them and attacked them.

:rolleyes:

OR

attack a sovereign nation of islam?!?!

fucking retard

[stimmerman]

:rolleyes:

OR

attack a sovereign nation of islam?!?!

fucking retard
The govenment was actually quite secular.

[marco j]

Fuck em all. Fuck all who want to destroy the USA

They took up arms against the United States of America. If they think that if they can slap the big bad western world and they won't come for ya. Your are wrong. I really don't care what these people think, they only react to and recongize violence. We need the scare the holy hell out of the surviving ones that we don't eliminate so they are too scared to harbor terrorist or even entertain the idea of dealing with them.


:lol you are from the backwoods huh? :BANG stay there.

[System]

:lol you are from the backwoods huh? :BANG stay there.

Still there.

But you have to remember where I live is considered an extreme suburb of Chicago......

[YouNeverKnow25]

:BANG This is all so tiring...every right-leaning post on this thread has lead to the age old, tried-and-true Republican way: Hey, it's not our fault it's (insert most recent Democratic President or Democrat led Congress here)'s fault. Still don't agree with us? We lower taxes for white people. Still not our side? We help the economy, that's what we're about...Nothing will help the economy more than two airplanes slamming into our metropolis. I'm not saying that is Bush's fault, although Fahrenheit 911 connects the dots fairly closely, but whoever was in the White House during the 2000-2004 presidency was going to be dealing with a terrible economy. This presidency decided that tax cuts for the richest 1 per cent was going to be the way to go.

When it comes to our national debt, the world's economy is wholly dependent on it. If you cancelled our national debt, the "Great Depression" of the 1930's would seem like a slight cough in comparison to the fallout. You can't imagine the ramifications of that, and you don't want to.

And then comes the kicker, the end-all be-all of Republican arguments: "fuck 'em, we're the good 'ol U.S. of A.!"

[Dancing Ants]

:BANG This is all so tiring...every right-leaning post on this thread has lead to the age old, tried-and-true Republican way: Hey, it's not our fault it's (insert most recent Democratic President or Democrat led Congress here)'s fault. Still don't agree with us? We lower taxes for white people. Still not our side? We help the economy, that's what we're about...Nothing will help the economy more than two airplanes slamming into our metropolis. I'm not saying that is Bush's fault, although Fahrenheit 911 connects the dots fairly closely, but whoever was in the White House during the 2000-2004 presidency was going to be dealing with a terrible economy. This presidency decided that tax cuts for the richest 1 per cent was going to be the way to go.

When it comes to our national debt, the world's economy is wholly dependent on it. If you cancelled our national debt, the "Great Depression" of the 1930's would seem like a slight cough in comparison to the fallout. You can't imagine the ramifications of that, and you don't want to.

And then comes the kicker, the end-all be-all of Republican arguments: "fuck 'em, we're the good 'ol U.S. of A.!"

wow, you have alot of credibility pointing the finger back at right-leaning posters...i mean, the huge KERRY-EDWARDS signature really makes people want to listen.

First, and foremost, take your head out of the sand. You're bible, Farenheit 9/11, had ALOT of things wrong with it.

Second, I know for a fact I'm not in the richest 1 percent, or the richest 50 percent, but my parents got their tax break, as did my friend's parents, who are straight democrats and live worse than I do.

Third, we lower taxes for white people???? what does that have to do with ANYTHING? wow...you played the race card. give me a break. get better (and valid) arguments.

[System]

Fahrenheit 911[/u] connects the dots fairly closely,



And then comes the kicker, the end-all be-all of Republican arguments: "fuck 'em, we're the good 'ol U.S. of A.!"

Fahrenheit 9/11 was made by a communist named Micheal "Fat Ass" Moore

And yes,

Fuck um all

[DrFartbrain]

yep Rt 80 is the hell I call home. for 3 hours of commute a day anyway.
Yeah, I'm there too. It was in the paper, the sign got stolen for the third time. The dude was pissed, filed a report with the Parsippany PD.

And I can live with 80 (I have to).

[mwjorgens]

needless to say the sign was down when I drove under that same bridge the next day.

I was just wondering if there was anyone out there who agreed with this mentality and why?
terrosim isnt an issue or a threat to us, thats why everyone should agree with the mentaility. as for policial threads, i hate them. thats why this is my last post in one till the election is over

[pkpro1]

The terrorists, the ones that wish to do us harm on here in America, not the "insurgents" in Iraq, are very patient. They will wait to attack us when the time is right for them.

It is ludicrous to ignore domestic issues, to focus on a problem that could very well never go away.
:thumbsup

[jimibadfish]

I am a member of the United States Air Force and I believe that if we have no security we can just about forget about the rest of it. The sign, however, is pretty ridiculous considering the economy has recovered faster from this conflict than from any other in modern history. So all of you whining liberal brats that want the government to give people their way of life instead of them actually work for it need to get a clue.