Flip flop flippidy flop Kerry

[wvumascotdmb]

Ok here is the clear cut evidence that Kerry is an idiot and changed his mind just because he is greedy, wanted to become president and his wife is fat!!!

And you all can say oh it's the news listen to RHCP and don't listen to the news blah blah blah but it's the facts folks! He's not going to win. So why don't you just vote for the winning candidate, "W"! :thumbsup

Just watch the whole video before you blabering idiot Kerry supporters start brainwashing yourselves again! :banned

http://media1.streamtoyou.com/rnc/080304v1.wmv

discuss! :bounce

[marco j]

listen bro NO evidence in this world OUR the nesxt will EVER convince me or anyonelse who has paid attention to what this waste of oxygen called bush has done to our reputation in this world.

KErry could have killed his own children. anything is better after bush. i am exagerating ofcourse. but seriously NOTHING will convince me bush is fit to ruin this country for four more years.

give someonelse a chance to fuck it up for a while.

[mmazz72]

Just watch the whole video before you blabering idiot Kerry supporters start brainwashing yourselves again!

i thought this new sub-forum was for intelligent conversation?

because of your ignorant insults, i refuse to watch your video. i don't give a fuck about kerry anyway. but you're still an ass. eat a dick.

and blabbering has two b's. dick-eater.

good day.

[wvumascotdmb]

I'm sorry but I just think you are brainwashed. It's kewl you can vote for Kerry b-cuz DMB says so! But i'm just a little more educated than that.

It's kinda like what your mother always told you....If someone told you to jump off a bridge would you?

If someone told you to waste you vote and vote for someone that's going to destroy our country even more, would you?

I guess you would!

[System]

[QUOTE=marco j]

KErry could have killed his own children. anything is better after bush. i am exagerating ofcourse. but seriously NOTHING will convince me bush is fit to ruin this country for four more years.
[QUOTE]

that is the most irresponsible thing I have heard.

Killed his own kids?

But seriously.

WHat makes bush so horrible in your mind?

[saygoodbye12]

KErry could have killed his own children. anything is better after bush. i am exagerating ofcourse. but seriously NOTHING will convince me bush is fit to ruin this country for four more years.


What if he ate them with a side of ketchup?

I bet then you'd vote for Bush!

[wvumascotdmb]

i thought this new sub-forum was for intelligent conversation?

because of your ignorant insults, i refuse to watch your video. i don't give a fuck about kerry anyway. but you're still an ass. eat a dick.

and blabbering has two b's. dick-eater.

good day.

dude not once did i call you out but you thought that just b-cuz you can type you have the right to call me dick eater? Bitch you don't know me! I'm just doing what everyone else on these boards does and that's act like an asshole. But for some reason you thought it would be kewl to shoot your little 10th grade mouth off at me! Well listen here little boy go run home to mommy cuz I ain't dealing with your shit tonite! Now go play on the Hilary Duff boards!

[mmazz72]

I'm sorry but I just think you are brainwashed. It's kewl you can vote for Kerry b-cuz DMB says so! But i'm just a little more educated than that.

It's kinda like what your mother always told you....If someone told you to jump off a bridge would you?

If someone told you to waste you vote and vote for someone that's going to destroy our country even more, would you?

I guess you would!
from where did you draw the conclusion that anyone who votes for kerry is doing so because of dmb?

[wvumascotdmb]

It's kewl to hate Bush so everyone wants to jump on the band wagon!

[Rob]

Anybody see the Daily Show's Gov. Bush vs. Pres Bush? Yeah. That's flip flopping. When somebody can put together some coherent, non-hypocritical argument mud-slinging, then it'll be more fun to waste our time on fake issues.

[System]

It's kewl to hate Bush so everyone wants to jump on the band wagon!

So am I not cool cause I am going to vote for bush a second time?

[wvumascotdmb]

NAAPTAVVC - JOIN OR DIE!!

This right here has to be my favorite!!! What are we all grade school kids here and we have to start our own kewl little secret club! Are there hand shakes and circle jerks???? Do you all have little signs that say "No Girls" haha wait you don't have to!

[wvumascotdmb]

So am I not cool cause I am going to vote for bush a second time?

I watched the wagon pass me by....so yeah i'm voting for him! It's going to be hillarious when all these people that say they are going to vote for Kerry don't even go to the polls in Nov.!

[System]

Are there hand shakes and circle jerks????

The entire Democratic party is one big circle jerk

[wvumascotdmb]

The entire Democratic party is one big circle jerk
:lol :lol :lol :thumbsup

[wvumascotdmb]

Anybody see the Daily Show's Gov. Bush vs. Pres Bush? Yeah. That's flip flopping. When somebody can put together some coherent, non-hypocritical argument mud-slinging, then it'll be more fun to waste our time on fake issues.


I also love when John laughs and says yeah some people actually get there news from this show! :lol

[mmazz72]

dude not once did i call you out but you thought that just b-cuz you can type you have the right to call me dick eater? Bitch you don't know me! I'm just doing what everyone else on these boards does and that's act like an asshole. But for some reason you thought it would be kewl to shoot your little 10th grade mouth off at me! Well listen here little boy go run home to mommy cuz I ain't dealing with your shit tonite! Now go play on the Hilary Duff boards!

:lol :lol :lol

i don't even know where to start! you started shit by putting down anyone who supports kerry. i don't support him, but i still don't see a reason for you to be an asshole.

and you're acting like an asshole because everyone else on these boards does it? now who's jumping off of a bridge to follow everyone else?

and figure out what the fuck you're talking about before you speak. or better yet, don't speak at all. which you shouldn't be able to do if you were eating that dick like i told you to.

[bluwaterbaboon]

wow, that was stupid


kerry is gonna be so much better of a president than bush could ever dream of


cheney - "fuck off"

[marco j]

[QUOTE=marco j]

KErry could have killed his own children. anything is better after bush. i am exagerating ofcourse. but seriously NOTHING will convince me bush is fit to ruin this country for four more years.
[QUOTE]

that is the most irresponsible thing I have heard.

Killed his own kids?

But seriously.

WHat makes bush so horrible in your mind?

is this a real question??!?!?

because you haven't been paying attention to what's been going on in this world if you actually support george bush. i seriously believe the only people who are supporting this criminal are people of faith, and people who are voting only to support the troops and the republican party not gw.

i wont even bother to give you exact examples. when THIS many people from NOT ONLY THIS COUNTRY BUT FROM ALL OVER ARE UP IN ARMS..............................THERE'S A REASON!!!! PEOPLE FEAR BUSH ,THIS IS REASON ALONE TO GET RID OF HIM!

sorry for yelling.

here's another thing.

the republican party just five minutes ago applauded the ridicule of john kerry .....only because he would only go to war with the un's approval.

here's a news flash to republicans.........it's GOOD TO THR GET UN'S APPROVAL.

even those weren't kerry's 'exact word' but i'll run on it anyway.

to truly accomplishing a victory over terrorism. which isn't possible according to our president. we would need unflinching world support. which ironically we don't have because our governments attitude towards the UN. it is true we do have a level of support but we could have the kind of support we REALLY HAD AFTER 9/11. this is what the people from the trade towers deserve. this is what america deserves . this is what all free and like minded people of this earth deserve. i'm tired of this administration and the people of his party scoffing at this notion. the whole world is tired of it .

[System]

wow, that was stupid


kerry is gonna be so much better of a president than bush could ever dream of


cheney - "fuck off"


Ya, he will make Ketchup the national food. Everybody must eat it on everything...

Botox shots all around

and we all must learn how to injure ourselfs in combat to get purple hearts...

[AggieDMBFan06]

Bush 04, its the best thing for our country.

[AggieDMBFan06]

Dude's is it me or is Barbara Bush (the daughter) hot as hell...we can all agree on that cant we? she is way hotter than the kerry's

[System]

Dude's is it me or is Barbara Bush (the daughter) hot as hell...we can all agree on that cant we? she is way hotter than the kerry's

Kerry's daughter look like a 5 dollar hooker from Kerry's R+R from Nam.

Oh wait, he wasn't there long enough.

and I actually think both Bush daughters are cute

[AggieDMBFan06]

5 dollar hookers? isnt that a little too much

[System]

5 dollar hookers? isnt that a little too much

Not for the momma's boy that went to yale

[stimmerman]

Ya, he will make Ketchup the national food. Everybody must eat it on everything...

Botox shots all around

and we all must learn how to injure ourselfs in combat to get purple hearts...
Wow, did you get those from the talking points on GW's campaign site?

That video was worthless. I watched the whole thing. Kerry voted to give GW the authority to go to war. He didn't necessarily vote to go to war. And he voted against the $87 bil to send a message to GW that he didn't like the way he was going to war. Senators do that kind of thing a ll the time. Besides all that, Kerry knows that the majority of Democrats are against the war, as a representative of his party, he has to align himself with them. I see nothing wrong with this. Whether you believe it or not, National Security policies are not the biggest differences these two candidates have.

[marco j]

Bush 04, its the best thing for our country.


:BANG

[eric_dmbfan03]

Bush 04, its the best thing for our country.
Yikes.

[stimmerman]

Bush 04, its the best thing for our country.
He's from Texas, He probably thinks W was a good governor, too. :twak

[stimmerman]

Yikes.
Oh shit, you're both from the same town. I guess you turned out alright.

[marco j]

:lol :lol Oh shit, you're both from the same town. I guess you turned out alright. :lol :lol

[eric_dmbfan03]

:lol Well, it's a small college town that is home to President George H.W. Bush's Presidential Library. In other words, everyone is voting Bush. And I'm about to explode.

[marco j]

oh man just get everyone you know to go vote! 2 more months is all were gonna have of this guy . remember fuck you W!

[eric_dmbfan03]

Well definitely everyone is voting. So I guess that's a good thing.

[Number27]

But i'm just a little more educated than that.
yet you type like a 12 year-old girl who just got her period and is learning how to use tampons.

[stimmerman]

yet you type like a 12 year-old girl who just got her period and is learning how to use tampons.
I'm glad somebody else noticed that. :thumbsup

[rapoon]

whats wrong with texas? only thing worth a shit to come out of seattle in the last decade is modest mouse. =P im in tx and want to move to seattle. murder city devils arent that bad either.

[eric_dmbfan03]

Nothing's wrong with Texas. Best state in the country in my opinion. Just too conservative, at least in my town.

[pkpro1]

Ok here is the clear cut evidence that Kerry is an idiot and changed his mind just because he is greedy, wanted to become president and his wife is fat!!!

And you all can say oh it's the news listen to RHCP and don't listen to the news blah blah blah but it's the facts folks! He's not going to win. So why don't you just vote for the winning candidate, "W"! :thumbsup

Just watch the whole video before you blabering idiot Kerry supporters start brainwashing yourselves again! :banned

http://media1.streamtoyou.com/rnc/080304v1.wmv

discuss! :bounce

you're an idiot. politicians... and people by nature change their opinions on things.... does that make them less human? NO

[pkpro1]

Nothing's wrong with Texas. Best state in the country in my opinion. Just too conservative, at least in my town.
there are racists abundant in texas... that's what's wrong.

[System]

2 perfectly good reasons not to vote for Kerry.

1) yes he voted for war, but then he also voted against body armor. Apparently he wants our soldiers to go over there, fight, and die cause he is too cheap to pay for Boyd armor.

2) Anybody that is a natural leader would not have old boat crew mates coming out and saying he is lying. A good leader would have never had that problem. He turned his back on all the men and women still in Viet Nam when he spoke to Congress in 1971. Those guys were supposed to be his brothers. He signed up on his own accord, went, injured himself twice on his own during combat to get 2 of the 3 purple hearts so he could go home, then ratted all of his fellow soldiers still in country out.


And again, he voted against body armor, I had/have friends over there. and if their life doesn't me squat to him. I don't want him in office

[wvumascotdmb]

I'm glad somebody else noticed that. :thumbsup

I am sorry that every time I post on these boards I don't try to make it 100% grammaticaly correct. But obviously you fuckers get off on posting so much that every thing has to be right!

But I mean I do have a life and have been here longer than the both of you and have .02% of the posts that you guys have so I must be an idiot! :BANG

Man I really don't know what's wrong with me I mean I am a college grad who works in public relations. I have been a regular columnist in a newspaper since the day I graduated high school. I also wrote various feature stories on athletes while I was in college. I did all this while you two were playing with yoursleves and looking at these boards all day long!!!

but who am i to say i'm just a 12 year old girl who's bleeding! :BANG :violent

[System]

^ Awesome post

[stimmerman]

I am sorry that every time I post on these boards I don't try to make it 100% grammaticaly correct. But obviously you fuckers get off on posting so much that every thing has to be right!

But I mean I do have a life and have been here longer than the both of you and have .02% of the posts that you guys have so I must be an idiot! :BANG

Man I really don't know what's wrong with me I mean I am a college grad who works in public relations. I have been a regular columnist in a newspaper since the day I graduated high school. I also wrote various feature stories on athletes while I was in college. I did all this while you two were playing with yoursleves and looking at these boards all day long!!!

but who am i to say i'm just a 12 year old girl who's bleeding! :BANG :violent
You make a lot of assumptions. Keep it up, it says a great deal about you. :thumbsup

[mr.MikeD]

3 perfectly good reasons not to vote for Bush:

1) Started a war based on faulty intelligence. True, most nations agreed with this intelligence. However, only the US, UK and a laughable "coalition of the willing" wanted to go to war immediately. Turns out that the combination of the threat of war and Hans Blix's inspection teams weren't failing at finding WMD, they were verifying there wasn't an iminent threat. The arguement now is that the region is better off without Sadam, but that is still to be seen. Bush Sr. had the foresight to know the chaos that would follow 'regime change', Bush Jr. did not. Stability and democracy in the region are likely many years and billions of dollars away, if it does happen at all.

2). The US mainland was directly attacked by Osama and gang. Where is Osama? In Iraq? caught yet?

3) Bush may be working arms length with a group of veterns, whose story can be shown to be highly questionable, to discredit Kerry's war record. During the same time, Bush may or may not have met his National Guard requirements while successfully avioding going to Vietman due to his wealthy connections.

Now, obviously I won't be voting, since I'm not American, but this election season is still fascinating to watch. It's not hard to see why polls say the country is hovering around a 50-50 split. If John Kerry does become president, it's not because of a great love of him, but a great dislike of Bush.

[System]

3 perfectly good reasons not to vote for Bush:

1) Started a war based on faulty intelligence. True, most nations agreed with this intelligence. However, only the US, UK and a laughable "coalition of the willing" wanted to go to war immediately. Turns out that the combination of the threat of war and Hans Blix's inspection teams weren't failing at finding WMD, they were verifying there wasn't an iminent threat. The arguement now is that the region is better off without Sadam, but that is still to be seen. Bush Sr. had the foresight to know the chaos that would follow 'regime change', Bush Jr. did not. Stability and democracy in the region are likely many years and billions of dollars away, if it does happen at all.

2). The US mainland was directly attacked by Osama and gang. Where is Osama? In Iraq? caught yet?

3) Bush may be working arms length with a group of veterns, whose story can be shown to be highly questionable, to discredit Kerry's war record. During the same time, Bush may or may not have met his National Guard requirements while successfully avioding going to Vietman due to his wealthy connections.

Now, obviously I won't be voting, since I'm not American, but this election season is still fascinating to watch. It's not hard to see why polls say the country is hovering around a 50-50 split. If John Kerry does become president, it's not because of a great love of him, but a great dislike of Bush.


A few comments

1) How did we know it was faulty intelligence? I mean did you konw you would suck at life cause you are from Canada (not bashing all Canada here, just you)

2) Osama is hiding in the mountains Afganistan and Pakistan. and the thing about that terrain, you yourself couldn't find your mother tit to nurse from out there. That place is hell on earth.

3) Vietnam is still a sore subject with Americans. the only war we lost. the thing about Bush not showing up is even out by Kerry injuring himself twice. Kerry turned his backs on the boys still in country when he testified to Congress.

[stimmerman]

A few comments
A few comments

1) How did we know it was faulty intelligence? I mean did you konw you would suck at life cause you are from Canada (not bashing all Canada here, just you)

2) Osama is hiding in the mountains Afganistan and Pakistan. and the thing about that terrain, you yourself couldn't find your mother tit to nurse from out there. That place is hell on earth.

3) Vietnam is still a sore subject with Americans. the only war we lost. the thing about Bush not showing up is even out by Kerry injuring himself twice. Kerry turned his backs on the boys still in country when he testified to Congress.
1) Why not try and get more concrete evidence so we wouldn't look like miscalculating idiots? And don't say because we didn't have time.

2) Why didn't we devote more resources to aid in his capture when we supposedly had him cornered in late 2002. It seems like alot of the population doesn't care about bin Laden anymore now that the administration has switched it's focus to Iraq.

3)Bush took the easy way out of Vietnam and can't even prove that he completed his cake walk. It's okay, he was scared of being hurt, I would have been too. Kerry volunteered to go to Vietnam, if you don't see the difference in those two mindsets, then there is no help for you. The story about Kerry self inflicting wounds is just that, a story, the official military documents show that he received wounds from shrapnel, but you go ahead and keep believing whatever the Bush campaign is feeding you if it makes you feel better about your candidate.
Kerry didn't turn his back on anyone. Vietnam was an unpopular war and for good reason. He had first hand experience about the terrible things that were going on over there. He felt it was the right thing to do to testify to Congress and expose some of the tragedies that were occuring in an attempt to bring his fellow soldiers home.

[System]

1) Why not try and get more concrete evidence so we wouldn't look like miscalculating idiots? And don't say because we didn't have time.

2) Why didn't we devote more resources to aid in his capture when we supposedly had him cornered in late 2002. It seems like alot of the population doesn't care about bin Laden anymore now that the administration has switched it's focus to Iraq.

3)Bush took the easy way out of Vietnam and can't even prove that he completed his cake walk. It's okay, he was scared of being hurt, I would have been too. Kerry volunteered to go to Vietnam, if you don't see the difference in those two mindsets, then there is no help for you. The story about Kerry self inflicting wounds is just that, a story, the official military documents show that he received wounds from shrapnel, but you go ahead and keep believing whatever the Bush campaign is feeding you if it makes you feel better about your candidate.
Kerry didn't turn his back on anyone. Vietnam was an unpopular war and for good reason. He had first hand experience about the terrible things that were going on over there. He felt it was the right thing to do to testify to Congress and expose some of the tragedies that were occuring in an attempt to bring his fellow soldiers home.

1) How concrete do you want? Do you want them to lob a few nukes at us before we realize we are in trouble? He had what was considered sufficient data. He acted...end of story.

2) Osama is not the mastermind of all terrorism. He just financed a good portion of it. liken it to the people on AM.org being an army and the Band being the head. If the head was broken up by the government, we would all still be here and still willing to carry out our missions.

3) Vietnam sucked for everyone involved...Bush didn't show and Kerry can't throw a grendade....I would like to consider that issue a tie

[mr.MikeD]

1). American officials have since said it was faulty. At the time it was said to be correct. I'm not saying the US should have had intelligence the rest of the world didn't. I'm saying the iminent threat issue was being addressed by the threat of war, and continuing inspections.

2). But the 200 thousdand troops aren't even looking for him Afganistan and Pakistan, regardless of the terrain.

3) I agree. Just pointing out that each has his Vietman problems, and if you can use Kerry's as a perfectly good reason not to vote for him, you can do the same with Bush.

Thank you for focusing your bashing on me alone, not all of Canada. Also, I was unaware that I suck at life, thank you for pointing that out. I will try to take corrective action.

[wvumascotdmb]

You make a lot of assumptions. Keep it up, it says a great deal about you. :thumbsup


Just give it a rest Scott I'm tired of fucking with trash like you!

[System]

Thank you for focusing your bashing on me alone, not all of Canada. Also, I was unaware that I suck at life, thank you for pointing that out. I will try to take corrective action.

Man, I am jsut playing...it is fun to watch all these people get fired up over politics.

2 things i don't talk about with my friends

Religon and Politics.....and this is why, everybodies beliefs are different. I respect that, but it is just humorous to me to "listen" to people's response to my arguements...no harm no foul...and Canada was awesome the one time i made it up there...

[stimmerman]

1) How concrete do you want? Do you want them to lob a few nukes at us before we realize we are in trouble? He had what was considered sufficient data. He acted...end of story.

2) Osama is not the mastermind of all terrorism. He just financed a good portion of it. liken it to the people on AM.org being an army and the Band being the head. If the head was broken up by the government, we would all still be here and still willing to carry out our missions.

3) Vietnam sucked for everyone involved...Bush didn't show and Kerry can't throw a grendade....I would like to consider that issue a tie

1) First of all, even if Saddam had had WMDs, he wouldn't have the capabilities to launch them all the way to America. He could have hit Israel at most. Israel knew this and they may actually be part of the reason we went to war. Especially since it is now coming out that they may have been the ones who provided the fake documents that pointed to the uranium being bought from Niger. But whatever, Israel is our allie, they do have a strong vested interest in us getting involved in that region.
How concrete do I want it? If we're sending American soldiers in there to die by the hundreds, I want it pretty concrete. The administration was ignoring evidence that disagreed with their theories about Iraq. Now if they want to go in there just to kick Saddam's ass, then they should just say that and quit all the pussy-footing around. But don't try and pass off all this bogus intelligence and then say oops! we didn't do our job right and we were a little quick on the draw, but we're absolved of any blame because he was a bad man anyway. Nuh-uh, that doesn't fly in my book.

2) Granted capturing Osama would not rid the world of al Qaeda, I'm with you there. But my problem lies in two places. If this President has so much resolve and always sticks to his word, especially when it comes to fighting terrorism, and he clearly states, weeks after 9/11, that were gonna "smoke him out of his hole", then why not stick to your word and make that your first priority? It's not like we didn't have the resources and the support of the American people, not to mention the support of the world community (at that point in time). Now instead he's thinking, well I screwed that up, I guess Iraq is the next best thing.

3) I'll agree to tie on this one.

[mr.MikeD]

no worries, i figured it wasn't serious. I generally aviod political and religious conversations, but hey, that's what this forum is for and they can be enjoyable. I figured I'd reply to your post because it was pretty much the only one in this thread that actually has any substance, rather than yelling at typos and calling each other fuckers. Intelligent disagreement is a good thing, I think. Don't worry, I'm a not super sensitive Canadian who gets his shorts in a knot when someone jokes about it.

[stimmerman]

Just give it a rest Scott I'm tired of fucking with trash like you!
Were you fucking with me? I couldn't tell.

[BKeener]

I do not think Kerry is flippidy floppidy; I just think he is trying to play to both sides of the fence. You have to understand a lot of people are unsure about who to vote for - a lot of Repubs really don't want to vote for Bush but can't stomach voting for a Dem either. So if Kerry maintains a middle road and plays to each crowd, he can likely absorb votes from both sides.


I guarantee you once he is in office he will have a LOT to stand for. Just my opinion.

[System]

I guarantee you once he is in office he will have a LOT to stand for. Just my opinion.

Yes, he will stand for Heinz Ketchup and an organization that will deal solely in BOTOX for winners of 3 purple hearts

[FunkyTeaParty]

1. "We will smoke Osama out of his hole" - No mention of Osama at the Convention or in months for that matter.

2. "We will win the war on terrorism" - "We can't win it" - "We will win the war on terrorism"

3. "No nation building" - Building Iraq

4. "I can't think of any mistakes I've made" - "I may have miscalcualted on Iraq"

5. We are going to Iraq to disarm Saddam - We needed to liberate the Iraqi people

These are flip flops on some pretty important issues. The flip flops Kerry is accused of will happen when you are a Senator for 20 years. Many, many bills come across your desk and you may vote against something you believe in because of all the pork attached to it. Voting against certain weapons systems because of pork or questions about how they will be funded is a Senators job. John McCain himself has admitted he at one time or another has voted against just about every weapon system we are using today. This flip flop label is being used to appeal to the segment of America that is not paying close attention. While the things being said are not untrue, they are misleading. Kind of like saying there is "no doubt" Saddam has reconstituted his weapons program.

[cyberhound]

That's it. All you liberals justify your candidates lack of principles and ability to stick to them by pointing out Bush does the same thing. It doesn't make your candidate any better a choice. It only serves to make you sound as hypocritical as those you are arguing against.

[stimmerman]

That's it. All you liberals justify your candidates lack of principles and ability to stick to them by pointing out Bush does the same thing. It doesn't make your candidate any better a choice. It only serves to make you sound as hypocritical as those you are arguing against.
I think they're both hypocrites, which is depressing because they are our only two choices. It's not very inspiring to have to choose between which hypocrite I think will lie to me less.

[cyberhound]

I think they're both hypocrites, which is depressing because they are our only two choices. It's not very inspiring to have to choose between which hypocrite I think will lie to me less.
Then my advice is for you to stick to your principles and vote for a candidate that best fits them. Even if that means voting third party. Don't fall into the "vote wasting" trap. Remember, a vote for the lesser of two evils, is still a vote for evil. Pragmatic electorates have given us pragmatic politicians.

[FunkyTeaParty]

That's it. All you liberals justify your candidates lack of principles and ability to stick to them by pointing out Bush does the same thing. It doesn't make your candidate any better a choice. It only serves to make you sound as hypocritical as those you are arguing against.

I do not love John Kerry. I may not vote for him, but if I do it will be because I think the campaign Bush is running is repugnant.

[gryspn41]

I think they're both hypocrites, which is depressing because they are our only two choices. It's not very inspiring to have to choose between which hypocrite I think will lie to me less.


I keep running in to you in all of these political threads!!! I love talking about this to other people, it just gives you an outlet to hear other ideas and thoughts. I just wish everyone could talk about this in a civilized manner and not turn it into an all out bitch fest and cussing at each other. It sure is fun battling w/ all of you. Let's keep it light hearted!!!

Roger :bounce

[cyberhound]

I do not love John Kerry. I may not vote for him, but if I do it will be because I think the campaign Bush is running is repugnant.
Repugnant? How so? How is it more repugnant than Kerry's? And think about your reasons, because I promise you for every thing you call repugnant about the Bush campaign, someone can point to something equally repugnant about the Kerry campaign.

[FunkyTeaParty]

Don't you think using 9/11 like a prop on Monday night was repugnant? Especially by Guiliani? Don't you think McCain, who spent the last four years doing a poor job hiding his lack of respect for Bush and then goes on to speak on Bush's behalf at the Convention and then call someone else disingenuous is repugnant? Don't you think marginalizing the voice of entertainers as "liberal Hollywood" and then marching out Arnold Schwatzenegger is repugnant?

[stimmerman]

I keep running in to you in all of these political threads!!! I love talking about this to other people, it just gives you an outlet to hear other ideas and thoughts. I just wish everyone could talk about this in a civilized manner and not turn it into an all out bitch fest and cussing at each other. It sure is fun battling w/ all of you. Let's keep it light hearted!!!

Roger :bounce
I agree. I try not to talk about all this stuff with my friends and relatives because it just gets weird. It's nice to come to someplace where you can talk anonymously about it and get different points of view and hear from people in different regions of the country.

Sometimes it takes some patience, but light-hearted is the best way to do it. :thumbsup

[neumdogg]

Don't you think using 9/11 like a prop on Monday night was repugnant? Especially by Guiliani? Don't you think McCain, who spent the last four years doing a poor job hiding his lack of respect for Bush and then goes on to speak on Bush's behalf at the Convention and then call someone else disingenuous is repugnant? Don't you think marginalizing the voice of entertainers as "liberal Hollywood" and then marching out Arnold Schwatzenegger is repugnant?
9/11 happened and changed our country. Of course this will be a big part of anyone's campaign. It directly ties in with the war against terror.

McCain might not like a person, but he can still see who is a better candidtate to run this country and he can still support him.

Aronold is not just a celebrity. He has actively taken part on politics for years. He is a man of public office who has given up his film career. He is not a random celebrity with no integrity.

[cyberhound]

Don't you think using 9/11 like a prop on Monday night was repugnant? Especially by Guiliani? Don't you think McCain, who spent the last four years doing a poor job hiding his lack of respect for Bush and then goes on to speak on Bush's behalf at the Convention and then call someone else disingenuous is repugnant? Don't you think marginalizing the voice of entertainers as "liberal Hollywood" and then marching out Arnold Schwatzenegger is repugnant?
I don't think the 9/11 stuff is repugnant. 9/11 happened and it is still an issue we are dealing with. I have many issues with John McCain. That McCain chooses to support Bush is sad for McCain. Not necessarily repugnant. That the Kerry campaign has sought to hitch it's horse to McCain time and time again and he does this to them time and again is the saddest of all, because it makes them look desperate. And I think they truly are desperate. And no, I don't find the marginalizing the voice of entertainers as liberal Hollywood to be repugnant. Even if they trot out Arnold. I call that politics. Perhaps we have differing opinions on the meaning of repugnant.

[FunkyTeaParty]

I just kept using repugnant because I used it the first time. I may have over done it. I do have a problem with the things I mentioned and I did find Guiliani repugnant. I felt as though he was trying to tie voting for Bush in with 9/11. As if if I don't vote for Bush I am glad 9/11 happened. As if my patriotism is tied in with how I feel about Bush and 9/11. It was exploitive and sickening in my opinion.

[System]

Sometimes it takes some patience, but light-hearted is the best way to do it. :thumbsup

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[wvumascotdmb]

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[saygoodbye12]

I just kept using repugnant because I used it the first time. I may have over done it. I do have a problem with the things I mentioned and I did find Guiliani repugnant. I felt as though he was trying to tie voting for Bush in with 9/11. As if if I don't vote for Bush I am glad 9/11 happened. As if my patriotism is tied in with how I feel about Bush and 9/11. It was exploitive and sickening in my opinion. I re-read his entire speech and I have no idea where you get this from. Can you explain?

Where does he make you feel like if you vote for Kerry you're HAPPY 9/11 happened?

To question why Giuliani, the mayor of NYC at the time, the man who ran into downtown, watched people jumping to their deaths and witnessed first hand the towers falling, is talking about 9/11 is silly. I don't know how it is where you live, but New Yorkers still talk about 9/11. Anytime you're on the BQE driving into the city or at the Promenade in Brooklyn, you can't help but remember what used to be there.

I guarantee you once he is in office he will have a LOT to stand for. Just my opinion. Which side of the fence will he land on when he becomes president? Or is that not important?

[Warehouse21]

It's kewl to hate Bush so everyone wants to jump on the band wagon!
That's a really dumb thing to say. He' s done everything wrong. And as for your little music video, I think even that video, which was intended to be anti-Kerry, does more to prove our point than it does to disprove it. John Kerry said that he would give the president authority to go to war as an absolute last resort. The weapons inspectors needed more time. But the Bush administration was just going through the motions wit the weapons inspections. They sent the weapons inpectors there for the least amount of time they could get away with, so they could tell people "we tried diplomacy".
And as for that last little joke in the film, "Oh really"...first of all, the bill changed between the time he voted for it and the time he voted against it, but 2ndly, is it a bad thing for a guy to wake up and smell the coffee?

[cyberhound]

That's a really dumb thing to say. He' s done everything wrong. And as for your little music video, I think even that video, which was intended to be anti-Kerry, does more to prove our point than it does to disprove it. John Kerry said that he would give the president authority to go to war as an absolute last resort. The weapons inspectors needed more time. But the Bush administration was just going through the motions wit the weapons inspections. They sent the weapons inpectors there for the least amount of time they could get away with, so they could tell people "we tried diplomacy".
And as for that last little joke in the film, "Oh really"...first of all, the bill changed between the time he voted for it and the time he voted against it, but 2ndly, is it a bad thing for a guy to wake up and smell the coffee?
Kerry as a Senator who swore an oath to uphold the constitution should have never voted to give the president the authority to go to war in the first place. That constitutional responsiblity lies with the Congress, not the President. Of course Kerry didn't want the responsibility, only the ability to criticize afterwards. With this, like many other things, Kerry likes to have it both ways.

[nubby]

Kerry isn't the only one who likes to have it both ways.

[stimmerman]

Kerry isn't the only one who likes to have it both ways.
Yeah! What about McGreevey?

[cyberhound]

Kerry isn't the only one who likes to have it both ways.
Ahem...

That's it. All you liberals justify your candidate's lack of principles and ability to stick to them by pointing out Bush does the same thing. It doesn't make your candidate any better a choice. It only serves to make you sound as hypocritical as those you are arguing against.

[cyberhound]

Yeah! What about McGreevey?
:lol We have a congressman like that.

http://rawstory.com/exclusives/byrne/schrock_resigns_gay_phone_sex_tapes_830.htm

[stimmerman]

:lol We have a congressman like that.

http://rawstory.com/exclusives/byrne/schrock_resigns_gay_phone_sex_tapes_830.htm
I'm gonna listen to that clip when I get home.

Cool website. I've never been there before. :thumbsup

[nubby]

Ahem...
That's it. All you liberals justify your candidate's lack of principles and ability to stick to them by pointing out Bush does the same thing. It doesn't make your candidate any better a choice. It only serves to make you sound as hypocritical as those you are arguing against.

I don't see how saying Bush flip flops also is a way of excusing Kerry. I was mearly making the observation that flip flops are not new to politics and certainly not for presidents. Hence, flip flops shouldn't desuade somone for liking kerry.

[mdude85]

Cyberhound -- given what seems like your political orientation, it's odd that you're so willing to trust government.

[cyberhound]

Cyberhound -- given what seems like your political orientation, it's odd that you're so willing to trust government.
There you go assuming again.

[nubby]

Well it does say it below your name... I don't really consider that an assumption.

[cyberhound]

Well it does say it below your name... I don't really consider that an assumption.Satirical commentary is difficult when you are limited to about three words. Those here who have known me for awhile or those who take the time to read and comprehend my posts usually understand this. Others don't.

[ambysshrink]

I don't think the 9/11 stuff is repugnant. 9/11 happened and it is still an issue we are dealing with.
Nobody's disputing that. Did you even read what he wrote? Or listen to what Giuliani said?

[saygoodbye12]

Nobody's disputing that. Did you even read what he wrote? Or listen to what Giuliani said?
I did, and I'm still waiting for the proof that Giuliani alluded to the fact that if you don't vote for Bush you are GLAD 9/11 happened.

[wvumascotdmb]

WOW What a speach OUR president gave tonight! Looks like four more years!!! :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup

Sorry folks but this may be the last you hear of John Kerry after he loses bad in November! :lol :lol :lol


oops almost forgot....FOUR MORE YEARS! FOUR MORE YEARS! FOUR MORE YEARS! FOUR MORE YEARS! FOUR MORE YEARS! FOUR MORE YEARS! :D

[gryspn41]

WOW What a speach OUR president gave tonight! Looks like four more years!!! :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup

Sorry folks but this may be the last you hear of John Kerry after he loses bad in November! :lol :lol :lol


oops almost forgot....FOUR MORE YEARS! FOUR MORE YEARS! FOUR MORE YEARS! FOUR MORE YEARS! FOUR MORE YEARS! FOUR MORE YEARS! :D



Yeah, I am with you all the way here. I was kind of moved toward the end of the speech, W. teared up there for a second. Made me put into perspective what 9/11 has done to change the course of this country forever. Some of you may not agree w/the War on Terror and Iraq but we are there now and we can't turn back. So here's to 4 more years because that's what it looks like in our future.

Roger

[yin_yang]

ya know what, i dont really care who wins really, as long as they aren't pro-gay marriage and will work on improving the economy.

[DawnsPT]

I thought the Presidents speech was wonderful tonight. Tomorrow I will be taking my 13 yr. old daughter to his rally in Scranton, Pa where I live, to hear him speak. She is very interested in politics at such a young age & I think it will be a great learning experience for her, and I'm very excited to see the President too, because I have never had the chance to see Pres. Clinton when he was here many times( Hillary's family is from Scranton). And I for one will be voting for Bush because I feel he has done a great job in the last 4 years, and Kerry just doesn't seem like he's the man to lead this country & keep us safe from terrosits. He changes his mind too many times & I just can't vote for someone like that. And here's a big surprise. I'm a democrat! ;)

[stimmerman]

ya know what, i dont really care who wins really, as long as they aren't pro-gay marriage and will work on improving the economy.
You're not a homosexual I take it?

[mdude85]

I thought the Presidents speech was wonderful tonight. Tomorrow I will be taking my 13 yr. old daughter to his rally in Scranton, Pa where I live, to hear him speak. She is very interested in politics at such a young age & I think it will be a great learning experience for her, and I'm very excited to see the President too, because I have never had the chance to see Pres. Clinton when he was here many times( Hillary's family is from Scranton). And I for one will be voting for Bush because I feel he has done a great job in the last 4 years, and Kerry just doesn't seem like he's the man to lead this country & keep us safe from terrosits. He changes his mind too many times & I just can't vote for someone like that. And here's a big surprise. I'm a democrat! ;)

Have you also taken your daughter to Kerry rallies?

[cyberhound]

Nobody's disputing that. Did you even read what he wrote? Or listen to what Giuliani said?
Yes, and?

[ambysshrink]

Yes, and?
And what you wrote didn't address the issue. Giuliani demonstrated the Bush Administration's using 9/11 as a political crutch and that is sickening.

[cyberhound]

And what you wrote didn't address the issue. Giuliani demonstrated the Bush Administration's using 9/11 as a political crutch and that is sickening.
Exactly what did Guliani say that demonstrated the Bush Admin using 9/11 as a crutch? Since you've seen and read it and all that. It's not up to me to address the issue, I'm not making what Guliani said an issue because I don't think he said anything inappropriate. You are the one making his words an issue. What words specifically?

[ambysshrink]

What words specifically?
"We owe it to the families of the 9/11 victims to re-elect President George W. Bush"

[cyberhound]

"We owe it to the families of the 9/11 victims to re-elect President George W. Bush"
I don't see that as a crutch. But, if you do, go for it.

[FunkyTeaParty]

"We owe it to the families of the 9/11 victims to re-elect President George W. Bush"

It couldn't be any more clear than that, especially coming from Guiliani. It's disgusting.

[angryfish]

smartest thing I have heard on this whole forum...

[mdude85]

I'm not sure if I'd call it a crutch, but it's definitely exploitive.

[ambysshrink]

It couldn't be any more clear than that, especially coming from Guiliani. It's disgusting.
:thumbsup :thumbsup

[nubby]

Pretty funny that Bush's flip flops get completely ignored. With out the whole "flip-flop" propaganda, one would wonder what Bush could argue against Kerry with...

[DawnsPT]

Have you also taken your daughter to Kerry rallies?
No, she didn't want to go to the Kerry rally here. But she REALLY wanted to see President Bush. And it was a great rally! My daughter really listened to the Pres. speech & cheered as he made various points. Now she want to know if she's old enough to volunteer for Bush. Pretty impressive for a 13 yr. old.

[mdude85]

No, she didn't want to go to the Kerry rally here. But she REALLY wanted to see President Bush. And it was a great rally! My daughter really listened to the Pres. speech & cheered as he made various points. Now she want to know if she's old enough to volunteer for Bush. Pretty impressive for a 13 yr. old.

ah. cool.

[nubby]

No, she didn't want to go to the Kerry rally here. But she REALLY wanted to see President Bush. And it was a great rally! My daughter really listened to the Pres. speech & cheered as he made various points. Now she want to know if she's old enough to volunteer for Bush. Pretty impressive for a 13 yr. old.
Maybe you should encourage her to see the other side of the coin. It would be my guess that she didn't want to see kerry because he's not the president.

[wvumascotdmb]

Maybe you should encourage her to see the other side of the coin. It would be my guess that she didn't want to see kerry because he's not the president.


SHE'S 13!!!!!!! JUST BE HAPPY SHE'S INTERESTED IN POLITICS!!!

Why don't all you democrats that love Kerry go jump in a hot tube with Micheal Moore and have a little homo party!!! :lol

[ambysshrink]

SHE'S 13!!!!!!! JUST BE HAPPY SHE'S INTERESTED IN POLITICS!!!

Why don't all you democrats that love Kerry go jump in a hot tube with Micheal Moore and have a little homo party!!! :lol
You have the arguing skills of a septic tank.

[cyberhound]

SHE'S 13!!!!!!! JUST BE HAPPY SHE'S INTERESTED IN POLITICS!!!

Why don't all you democrats that love Kerry go jump in a hot tube with Micheal Moore and have a little homo party!!! :lol
What's your problem with gays?

[marco j]

SHE'S 13!!!!!!! JUST BE HAPPY SHE'S INTERESTED IN POLITICS!!!

Why don't all you democrats that love Kerry go jump in a hot tube with Micheal Moore and have a little homo party!!! :lol


idiot.

...and let her be brainwashed with the christians?!?!?