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09-03-2004, 08:11 PM

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The full story is at:
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/story.jsp?story=557746

Bush by numbers: Four years of double standards
By Graydon Carter

03 September 2004

1 Number of Bush administration public statements on National security
issued between 20 January 2001 and 10 September 2001 that mentioned
al-Qa'ida.

104 Number of Bush administration public statements on National
security and defence in the same period that mentioned Iraq or Saddam
Hussein.

101 Number of Bush administration public statements on National
security and defence in the same period that mentioned missile defence.

65 Number of Bush administration public statements on National security
and defence in the same period that mentioned weapons of mass
destruction.

0 Number of times Bush mentioned Osama bin Laden in his three State of
the Union addresses.

73 Number of times that Bush mentioned terrorism or terrorists in his
three State of the Union addresses.

83 Number of times Bush mentioned Saddam, Iraq, or regime (as in
change) in his three State of the Union addresses.

$1m Estimated value of a painting the Bush Presidential Library in
College Station, Texas, received from Prince Bandar, Saudi Arabia's
ambassador to the United States and Bush family friend.

0 Number of times Bush mentioned Saudi Arabia in his three State of the
Union addresses.

1,700 Percentage increase between 2001 and 2002 of Saudi Arabian
spending on public relations in the United States.

79 Percentage of the 11 September hijackers who came from Saudi Arabia.

3 Number of 11 September hijackers whose entry visas came through
special US-Saudi "Visa Express" programme.

140 Number of Saudis, including members of the Bin Laden family,
evacuated from United States almost immediately after 11 September.

14 Number of Immigration and Naturalisation Service (INS) agents
assigned to track down 1,200 known illegal immigrants in the United
States from countries where al-Qa'ida is active.

$3m Amount the White House was willing to grant the 9/11 Commission to
investigate the 11 September attacks.

$0 Amount approved by George Bush to hire more INS special agents.

$10m Amount Bush cut from the INS's existing terrorism budget.

$50m Amount granted to the commission that looked into the Columbia
space shuttle crash.

$5m Amount a 1996 federal commission was given to study legalised
gambling.

7 Number of Arabic linguists fired by the US army between mid-August
and mid-October 2002 for being gay.

George Bush: Military man

1972 Year that Bush walked away from his pilot duties in the Texas
National Guard, Nearly two years before his six-year obligation was up.

$3,500 Reward a group of veterans offered in 2000 for anyone who could
confirm Bush's Alabama guard service.

600-700 Number of guardsmen who were in Bush's unit during that period.

0 Number of guardsmen from that period who came forward with
information about Bush's guard service.

0 Number of minutes that President Bush, Vice-President Dick Cheney,
the Defence Secretary, Donald Rumsfeld, the assistant Defence
Secretary, Paul Wolfowitz, the former chairman of the Defence Policy
Board, Richard Perle, and the White House Chief of Staff, Karl Rove
the main proponents of the war in Iraq served in combat (combined).

0 Number of principal civilian or Pentagon staff members who planned
the war who have immediate family members serving in uniform in Iraq.

8 Number of members of the US Senate and House of Representatives who
have a child serving in the military.

10 Number of days that the Pentagon spent investigating a soldier who
had called the President "a joke" in a letter to the editor of a
Newspaper.

46 Percentage increase in sales between 2001 and 2002 of GI Joe figures
(children's toys).

Ambitious warrior

2 Number of Nations that George Bush has attacked and taken over since
coming into office.

130 Approximate Number of countries (out of a total of 191 recognised
by the United Nations) with a US military presence.

43 Percentage of the entire world's military spending that the US
spends on defence. (That was in 2002, the year before the invasion of
Iraq.)

$401.3bn Proposed military budget for 2004.

Saviour of Iraq

1983 The year in which Donald Rumsfeld, Ronald Reagan's special envoy
to the Middle East, gave Saddam Hussein a pair of golden spurs as a
gift.

2.5 Number of hours after Rumsfeld learnt that Osama bin Laden was a
suspect in the 11 September attacks that he brought up reasons to "hit"
Iraq.

237 Minimum number of misleading statements on Iraq made by top Bush
administration officials between 2002 and January 2004, according to
the California Representative Henry Waxman.

10m Estimated number of people worldwide who took to the streets on 21
February 2003, in opposition to the invasion of Iraq, the largest
simultaneous protest in world history.

$2bn Estimated monthly cost of US military presence in Iraq projected
by the White House in April 2003.

$4bn Actual monthly cost of the US military presence in Iraq according
to Secretary of Defence Rumsfeld in 2004.

$15m Amount of a contract awarded to an American firm to build a cement
factory in Iraq.

$80,000 Amount an Iraqi firm spent (using Saddam's confiscated funds)
to build the same factory, after delays prevented the American firm
from starting it.

2000 Year that Cheney said his policy as CEO of Halliburton oil
services company was "we wouldn't do anything in Iraq".

$4.7bn Total value of contracts awarded to Halliburton in Iraq and
Afghanistan.

$680m Estimated value of Iraq reconstruction contracts awarded to
Bechtel.

$2.8bnValue of Bechtel Corp contracts in Iraq.

$120bn Amount the war and its aftermath are projected to cost for the
2004 fiscal year.

35 Number of countries to which the United States suspended military
assistance after they failed to sign agreements giving Americans
immunity from prosecution before the International Criminal Court.

92 Percentage of Iraq's urban areas with access to potable water in
late 2002.

60 Percentage of Iraq's urban areas with access to potable water in
late 2003.

55 Percentage of the Iraqi workforce who were unemployed before the war.

80 Percentage of the Iraqi workforce who are unemployed a Year after
the war.

0 Number of American combat deaths in Germany after the Nazi surrender
in May 1945.

37 Death toll of US soldiers in Iraq in May 2003, the month combat
operations "officially" ended.

0 Number of coffins of dead soldiers returning home that the Bush
administration has permitted to be photographed.

0 Number of memorial services for the returned dead that Bush has
attended since the beginning of the war.

A soldier's best friend

40,000 Number of soldiers in Iraq seven months after start of the war
still without Interceptor vests, designed to stop a round from an
AK-47.

$60m Estimated cost of outfitting those 40,000 soldiers with
Interceptor vests.

62 Percentage of gas masks that army investigators discovered did Not
work properly in autumn 2002.

90 Percentage of detectors which give early warning of a biological
weapons attack found to be defective.

87 Percentage of Humvees in Iraq not equipped with armour capable of
stopping AK-47 rounds and protecting against roadside bombs and
landmines at the end of 2003.

Making the country safer

$3.29 Average amount allocated per person Nationwide in the first round
of homeland security grants.

$94.40 Amount allocated per person for homeland security in American
Samoa.

$36 Amount allocated per person for homeland security in Wyoming,
Vice-President Cheney's home state.

$17 Amount allocated per person in New York state.

$5.87 Amount allocated per person in New York City.

$77.92 Amount allocated per person in New Haven, Connecticut, home of
Yale University, Bush's alma mater.

76 Percentage of 215 cities surveyed by the US Conference of Mayors in
early 2004 that had yet to receive a dime in federal homeland security
assistance for their first-response units.

5 Number of major US airports at the beginning of 2004 that the
Transportation Security Administration admitted were Not fully
screening baggage electronically.

22,600 Number of planes carrying unscreened cargo that fly into New
York each month.

5 Estimated Percentage of US air cargo that is screened, including
cargo transported on passenger planes.

95 Percentage of foreign goods that arrive in the United States by sea.

2 Percentage of those goods subjected to thorough inspection.

$5.5bnEstimated cost to secure fully US ports over the Next decade.

$0 Amount Bush allocated for port security in 2003.

$46m Amount the Bush administration has budgeted for port security in
2005.

15,000 Number of major chemical facilities in the United States.

100 Number of US chemical plants where a terrorist act could endanger
the lives of more than one million people.

0 Number of new drugs or vaccines against "priority pathogens" listed
by the Centres for Disease Control that have been developed and
introduced since 11 September 2001.

Giving a hand up to the advantaged

$10.9m Average wealth of the members of Bush's original 16-person
cabinet.

75 Percentage of Americans unaffected by Bush's sweeping 2003 cuts in
capital gains and dividends taxes.

$42,000 Average savings members of Bush's cabinet received in 2003 as a
result of cuts in capital gains and dividends taxes.

10 Number of fellow members from the Yale secret society Skull and
Bones that Bush has named to important positions (including the
Associate Attorney General Robert McCallum Jr. and SEC chief Bill
Donaldson).

79 Number of Bush's initial 189 appointees who also served in his
father's administration.

A man with a lot of friends

$113m Amount of total hard money the Bush-Cheney 2000 campaign
received, a record.

$11.5m Amount of hard money raised through the Pioneer programme, the
controversial fund-raising process created for the Bush-Cheney 2000
campaign. (Participants pledged to raise at least $100,000 by bundling
together cheques of up to $1,000 from friends and family. Pioneers were
assigned numbers, which were included on all cheques, enabling the
campaign to keep track of who raised how much.)

George Bush: Money manager

4.7m Number of bankruptcies that were declared during Bush's first
three years in office.

2002 The worst year for major markets since the recession of the 1970s.

$489bn The US trade deficit in 2003, the worst in history for a single
year.

$5.6tr Projected national surplus forecast by the end of the decade
when Bush took office in 2001.

$7.22tr US national debt by mid-2004.

George Bush: Tax cutter

87 Percentage of American families in April 2004 who say they have felt
no benefit from Bush's tax cuts.

39 Percentage of tax cuts that will go to the top 1 per cent of
American families when fully phased in.

49 Percentage of Americans in April 2004 who found that their taxes had
actually gone up since Bush took office.

88 Percentage of American families who will save less than $100 on
their 2006 federal taxes as a result of 2003 cut in capital gains and
dividends taxes.

$30,858 Amount Bush himself saved in taxes in 2003.

Employment tsar

9.3m Number of US unemployed in April 2004.

2.3m Number of Americans who lost their jobs during first three Years
of the Bush administration.

22m Number of jobs gained during Clinton's eight years in office.

Friend of the poor

34.6m Number of Americans living below the poverty line (1 in 8 of the
population).

6.8m Number of people in the workforce but still classified as poor.

35m Number of Americans that the government defines as "food insecure,"
in other words, hungry.

$300m Amount cut from the federal programme that provides subsidies to
poor families so they can heat their homes.

40 Percentage of wealth in the United States held by the richest 1 per
cent of the population.

18 Percentage of wealth in Britain held by the richest 1e per cent of
the population.

George Bush And his special friend

$60bn Loss to Enron stockholders, following the largest bankruptcy in
US history.

$205m Amount Enron CEO Kenneth Lay earned from stock option profits
over a four-year period.

$101m Amount Lay made from selling his Enron shares just before the
company went bankrupt.

$59,339 Amount the Bush campaign reimbursed Enron for 14 trips on its
corporate jet during the 2000 campaign.

30 Length of time in months between Enron's collapse and Lay (whom the
President called "Kenny Boy") still not being charged with a crime.

George Bush: Lawman

15 Average number of minutes Bush spent reviewing capital punishment
cases while governor of Texas.

46 Percentage of Republican federal judges when Bush came to office.

57 Percentage of Republican federal judges after three years of the
Bush administration.

33 Percentage of the $15bn Bush pledged to fight Aids in Africa that
must go to abstinence-only programmes.

The Civil libertarian

680 Number of suspected al-Qa'ida members that the United States admits
are detained at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba.

42 Number of nationalities of those detainees at Guantanamo.

22 Number of hours prisoners were handcuffed, shackled, and made to
wear surgical masks, earmuffs, and blindfolds during their flight to
Guantanamo.

32 Number of confirmed suicide attempts by Guantanamo Bay prisoners.

24 Number of prisoners in mid-2003 being monitored by psychiatrists in
Guantanamo's new mental ward.

A health-conscious president

43.6m Number of Americans without health insurance by the end of 2002
(more than 15 per cent of the population).

2.4m Number of Americans who lost their health insurance during Bush's
first year in office.

Environmentalist

$44m Amount the Bush-Cheney 2000 campaign and the Republican National
Committee received in contributions from the fossil fuel, chemical,
timber, and mining industries.

200 Number of regulation rollbacks downgrading or weakening
environmental laws in Bush's first three years in office.

31 Number of Bush administration appointees who are alumni of the
energy industry (includes four cabinet secretaries, the six most
powerful White House officials, and more than 20 other high-level
appointees).

50 Approximate number of policy changes and regulation rollbacks
injurious to the environment that have been announced by the Bush
administration on Fridays after 5pm, a time that makes it all but
impossible for news organisations to relay the information to the
widest possible audience.

50 Percentage decline in Environmental Protection Agency enforcement
actions against polluters under Bush's watch.

34 Percentage decline in criminal penalties for environmental crimes
since Bush took office.

50 Percentage decline in civil penalties for environmental crimes since
Bush took office.

$6.1m Amount the EPA historically valued each human life when
conducting economic analyses of proposed regulations.

$3.7m Amount the EPA valued each human life when conducting analyses of
proposed regulations during the Bush administration.

0 Number of times Bush mentioned global warming, clean air, clean
water, pollution or environment in his 2004 State of the Union speech.
His father was the last president to go through an entire State of the
Union address without mentioning the environment.

1 Number of paragraphs devoted to global warming in the EPA's 600-page
"Draft Report on the Environment" presented in 2003.

68 Number of days after taking office that Bush decided Not to ratify
the Kyoto Protocol, the international treaty to reduce greenhouse gases
by roughly 5.2 per cent below 1990 levels by 2012. The United States
was to cut its level by 7 per cent.

1 The rank of the United States worldwide in terms of greenhouse gas
emissions.

25 Percentage of overall worldwide carbon dioxide emissions the United
States is responsible for.

53 Number of days after taking office that Bush reneged on his campaign
promise to regulate carbon dioxide emissions from power plants.

14 Percentage carbon dioxide emissions will increase over the next 10
years under Bush's own global-warming plan (an increase of 30 per cent
above their 1990 levels).

408 Number of species that could be extinct by 2050 if the
global-warming trend continues.

5 Number of years the Bush administration said in 2003 that global
warming must be further studied before substantive action could be
taken.

62 Number of members of Cheney's 63-person Energy Task Force with ties
to corporate energy interests.

0 Number of environmentalists asked to attend Cheney's Energy Task
Force meetings.

6 Number of months before 11 September that Cheney's Energy Task Force
investigated Iraq's oil reserves.

2 Percentage of the world's population that is British.

2 Percentage of the world's oil used by Britain.

5 Percentage of the world's population that is American.

25 Percentage of the world's oil used by America.

63 Percentage of oil the United States imported in 2003, a record high.

24,000 Estimated number of premature deaths that will occur under
Bush's Clear Skies initiative.

300 Number of Clean Water Act violations by the mountaintop-mining
industry in 2003.

750,000 Tons of toxic waste the US military, the world's biggest
polluter, generates around the world each Year.

$3.8bn Amount in the Superfund trust fund for toxic site clean-ups in
1995, the Year "polluter pays" fees expired.

$0m Amount of uncommitted dollars in the Superfund trust fund for toxic
site clean-ups in 2003.

270 Estimated number of court decisions citing federal Negligence in
endangered-species protection that remained unheeded during the first
year of the Bush administration.

100 Percentage of those decisions that Bush then decided to allow the
government to ignore indefinitely.

68.4 Average Number of species added to the Endangered and Threatened
Species list each year between 1991 and 2000.

0 Number of endangered species voluntarily added by the Bush
administration since taking office.

50 Percentage of screened workers at Ground Zero who now suffer from
long-term health problems, almost half of whom don't have health
insurance.

78 Percentage of workers at Ground Zero who now suffer from lung
ailments.

88 Percentage of workers at Ground Zero who Now suffer from ear, nose,
or throat problems.

22 Asbestos levels at Ground Zero were 22 times higher than the levels
in Libby, Montana, where the W R Grace mine produced one of the worst
Superfund disasters in US history.

Image booster for the US

2,500 Number of public-diplomacy officers employed by the State
Department to further the image of the US abroad in 1991.

1,200 Number of public-diplomacy officers employed by the State
Department to further US image abroad in 2004.

4 Rank of the United States among countries considered to be the
greatest threats to world peace according to a 2003 Pew Global
Attitudes study (Israel, Iran, and North Korea were considered more
dangerous; Iraq was considered less dangerous).

$66bn Amount the United States spent on international aid and diplomacy
in 1949.

$23.8bn Amount the United States spent on international aid and
diplomacy in 2002.

85 Percentage of Indonesians who had an unfavourable image of the
United States in 2003.

Second-party endorsements

90 Percentage of Americans who approved of the way Bush was handling
his job as president on 26 September 2001.

67 Percentage of Americans who approved of the way Bush was handling
his job as president on 26 September 2002.

54 Percentage of Americans who approved of the way Bush was handling
his job as president on 30 September, 2003.

50 Percentage of Americans who approved of the way Bush was handling
his job as president on 15 October 2003.

49 Percentage of Americans who approved of the way Bush was handling
his job as president in May 2004.

More like the French than he would care to admit

28 Number of vacation days Bush took in August 2003, the second-longest
vacation of any president in US history. (Record holder Richard Nixon.)

13 Number of vacation days the average American receives each Year.

28 Number of vacation days Bush took in August 2001, the month he
received a 6 August Presidential Daily Briefing headed "Osama bin Laden
Determined to Strike US Targets."

500 Number of days Bush has spent all or part of his time away from the
White House at his ranch in Crawford, Texas, his parents' retreat in
Kennebunkport, Maine, or Camp David as of 1 April 2004.

No fool when it comes to the press

11 Number of press conferences during his first three Years in office
in which Bush referred to questions as being "trick" ones.

Factors in his favour

3 Number of companies that control the US voting technology market.

52 Percentage of votes cast during the 2002 midterm elections that were
recorded by Election Systems & Software, the largest voting-technology
firm, a big Republican donor.

29 Percentage of votes that will be cast via computer voting machines
that don't produce a paper record.

17On 17 November 2001, The Economist printed a correction for having
said George Bush was properly elected in 2000.

$113m Amount raised by the Bush-Cheney 2000 campaign, the most in
American electoral history.

$185m Amount raised by the Bush-Cheney 2004 re-election campaign, to
the end of March 2004.

$200m Amount that the Bush-Cheney 2004 campaign expects to raise by
November 2004.

268 Number of Bush-Cheney fund-raisers who had earned Pioneer status
(by raising $100,000 each) as of March 2004.

187 Number of Bush-Cheney fund-raisers who had earned Ranger status (by
raising $200,000 each) as of March 2004.

$64.2mThe Amount Pioneers and Rangers had raised for Bush-Cheney as of
March 2004.

85 Percentage of Americans who can't Name the Chief Justice of the
United States.

69 Percentage of Americans who believed the White House's claims in
September 2003 that Saddam Hussein was personally involved in the 11
September attacks.

34 Percentage of Americans who believed in June 2003 that Saddam's
"weapons of mass destruction" had been found.

22 Percentage of Americans who believed in May 2003 that Saddam had
used his WMDs on US forces.

85 Percentage of American young adults who cannot find Afghanistan,
Iraq, or Israel on a map.

30 Percentage of American young adults who cannot find the Pacific
Ocean on a map.

75 Percentage of American young adults who don't know the population of
the United States.

53 Percentage of Canadian young adults who don't know the population of
the United States.

11 Percentage of American young adults who cannot find the United
States on a map.

30 Percentage of Americans who believe that "politics and government
are too complicated to understand."

Another factor in his favour

70m Estimated number of Americans who describe themselves as
Evangelicals who accept Jesus Christ as their personal saviour and who
interpret the Bible as the direct word of God.

23m Number of Evangelicals who voted for Bush in 2000.

50m Number of voters in total who voted for Bush in 2000.

46 Percentage of voters who describe themselves as born-again
Christians.

5 Number of states that do not use the word "evolution" in public
school science courses.

This is an edited extract from "What We've Lost", by Graydon Carter,
published by Little Brown on 9 September

saygoodbye12

09-03-2004, 08:26 PM

$0 Amount Bush allocated for port security in 2003.
:confused:

Senate approves Port Security Funding March 2003. (http://www.thestate.com/mld/thestate/news/local/5458039.htm)

Operation Safe Commerce (http://www.tsa.gov/public/display?theme=44&content=090005198003f277)

cyberhound

09-03-2004, 08:31 PM

Some good stuff there, too bad half of it isn't relevant.

DMBSignGuy

09-04-2004, 12:44 AM

Definitly some good stuff there, relevant or not. Still gives good comprehensive insight into our president. Heres another good site if ya want more info on our president.

http://mcsweeneys.net/links/bush/

might double up on some facts but there are new ones too. :monkey

eric_dmbfan03

09-04-2004, 02:51 AM

$1m Estimated value of a painting the Bush Presidential Library in College Station, Texas, received from Prince Bandar, Saudi Arabia's ambassador to the United States and Bush family friend.
Damn.

crozetiga

09-04-2004, 03:05 AM

:confused:

Senate approves Port Security Funding March 2003. (http://www.thestate.com/mld/thestate/news/local/5458039.htm)

Operation Safe Commerce (http://www.tsa.gov/public/display?theme=44&content=090005198003f277)

I am just speculating because I havent really researched this. But I believe your article implies that Bush made the mandate for port security early in 2003 but didnt plan to fund it until Oct. of 2003 which would be 2004 fiscal year maybe? The Senate had to pass emergency funds to hold over until the new fiscal year. Perhaps the article above is going by the original funding for the mandate not the money added later. As I said, I am just guessing so someone else that may have more experience with this could chime in.

Josh

crozetiga

09-04-2004, 03:18 AM

scratch that part about the senate passing emergency funds... I misread and waited to long to edit. sorry

josh

Dancing Ants

09-04-2004, 03:25 AM

"0 Number of American combat deaths in Germany after the Nazi surrender
in May 1945."

The German race is a bit different than the Arab race.

DMBSignGuy

09-04-2004, 03:40 AM

"0 Number of American combat deaths in Germany after the Nazi surrender
in May 1945."

The German race is a bit different than the Arab race.

yes but bush opened the door by comparing post war iraq to post war germany.

nonewdirections

09-04-2004, 03:44 AM

there were some crappy/inaccurate/overstated/bias-inducing numbers there, but overall that was really interesting and offers at least a vague idea of what's wrong and what shouldn't still be happening regarding the current state of affairs nationally.

nubby

09-05-2004, 03:41 PM

Some good stuff there, too bad half of it isn't relevant.
But the other half is.

cyberhound

09-05-2004, 03:45 PM

But the other half is.
Your mastery of the obvious is something to marvel at.

nonewdirections

09-05-2004, 04:30 PM

Your mastery of the obvious is something to marvel at.
lol, so you admit that half of it is true?! :rolleyes: :lol

ambysshrink

09-05-2004, 05:43 PM

Your mastery of the obvious is something to marvel at. :rolleyes:

WJM-WJM

09-05-2004, 05:58 PM

"Articles" like the one originally posted are perfect for intellectually immature people. Seriously, similar seemingly ridiculous stats could be created for any American president. My favorite part is that articles like these draw no conclusions and do no analysis. Great "list"....amazing journalism.

nubby

09-05-2004, 08:20 PM

Your mastery of the obvious is something to marvel at.
How proud you must feel to be so witty on such a whim.

cyberhound

09-05-2004, 10:16 PM

:rolleyes:
And to think, pretty soon you'll work your way up to fingerpainting.

cyberhound

09-05-2004, 10:26 PM

lol, so you admit that half of it is true?! :rolleyes: :lol
True and relevant are two different things. Each "statistic" is more than likely 100% true. The inferences the author wishes you to draw may not be however. It's like a Michael Moore post.

fred dysart

09-05-2004, 10:31 PM

and kerry has what on his side ... bush WINS!!!

barefoot

09-05-2004, 11:02 PM

:thumbsup "Articles" like the one originally posted are perfect for intellectually immature people. Seriously, similar seemingly ridiculous stats could be created for any American president. My favorite part is that articles like these draw no conclusions and do no analysis. Great "list"....amazing journalism.

nonewdirections

09-05-2004, 11:10 PM

True and relevant are two different things. Each "statistic" is more than likely 100% true. The inferences the author wishes you to draw may not be however. It's like a Michael Moore post.
i was being sarcastic and silly, i got exactly what you meant from the other post, and considering the number of stats against him, i see what you mean.

nubby

09-06-2004, 06:41 AM

cyberhound

09-06-2004, 08:50 AM

Unlike Michael Moore's own blatant guerilla tactics, these numbers suggest an overall underlying tone about the Bush presidency. It relies on the reader to make his or her own conclusions about why these numbers are important. For example, the figure about 2.4 million americans losing Health Coverage under Bush's presidency doesn't actually blame bush for the problem but it suggests maybe bush isn't doing enough about the problem of healthcare. So compare it to Moore all you like, Cyber, but the tactics that are used here are not designed to demonize Bush, rather they are present to make you doubt the reasons we elected(arguable) him in the first place. This, of course, excludes the irrelevant numbers.
Where is it that the president is responsible for solving the healthcare problems of the populace other than from a law enforcement perscpective, such as if they were being defrauded by healtcare companies? There might be a case for that in certain instances, but we are talking about loss of coverage. So, what should Bush do about this loss of healthcare coverage? And I mean something that will make a real difference for those 2.4 million people.

clemson357

09-06-2004, 04:36 PM

...

11 Percentage of American young adults who cannot find the United
States on a map.

...

I just do not believe that. No fucking way.

jrcdmb40

09-06-2004, 05:30 PM

I just do not believe that. No fucking way.
im with you on that. and either way its irrelevant

Evans

09-06-2004, 06:11 PM

42: Number of times John Kerry and John Edwards have had consensual sex (c'mon, no two men touch each other that much)

100: Number of states existing in John Edwards "2 Americas"

2: Number of John Edwards "2 Americas" that it will take to pay for their tax hikes

2: Number of major terror attacks we will have on American shores if Kerry is elected

8: the number of times Kerry will seek foreign approval before defending our country against said attacks

193,000,000: Number of Americans who will unfortunately need to experience another 9/11 so they are reminded about why we fight the war on terror.

0: Number of terror attacks on US since 9/11. Try arguing against that one. No wait, you can't.

jrcdmb40

09-06-2004, 06:22 PM

7.3 John Kerry and John Edwards combined penis length

stimmerman

09-06-2004, 07:34 PM

193,000,000: Number of Americans who will unfortunately need to experience another 9/11 so they are reminded about why we fight the war on terror.

Hopefully your wish doesn't come true.

mwjorgens

09-06-2004, 07:43 PM

0: Number of terror attacks on US since 9/11. Try arguing against that one. No wait, you can't.
how many american lives were lost in iraq fighting "terrorism"? you fucking dumbass, people like you make the rest of the world give up on humanity

Evans

09-06-2004, 08:16 PM

how many american lives were lost in iraq fighting "terrorism"? you fucking dumbass, people like you make the rest of the world give up on humanity

is that your argument against that statement? Geez, and you tried to call me a fucking dumbass...

chevman

09-06-2004, 10:50 PM

0: Number of terror attacks on US since 9/11. Try arguing against that one. No wait, you can't.

Actually you can argue it solely based on statistical probability.

How many terrorist attacks have occurred in the US in the last 200 years?

Maybe 10? Really the only two large ones I can think of (excluding Pearl Harbor which I consider somewhat different considering it was a sovereign nation attacking us, rather than loosely affiliated individuals), are Columbine and OK City. Both of those were committed by Americans too, against other Americans!

edit - the first World Trade Center bombing, but how many did that kill?

So, based on past history we can readily see that terrorist attacks within the US are rather rare. Thus, if you pick any short time span of a couple years, the chance that a terrorist attack took place during that time is relatively small. Bush, the Republicans, and the media to a certain extent, want you and the rest of the American populace to think the fact that we haven't had an attack is somehow due to our govt's actions. Last I checked pre 9-11 the govt wasn't do much of anything to prevent terrorism and we still didn't have many attacks.

But what's that you say, 'the world is different now'? Not really, it's just the same thing, but with different people. We forget so quickly....

nubby

09-06-2004, 10:55 PM

Where is it that the president is responsible for solving the healthcare problems of the populace other than from a law enforcement perscpective, such as if they were being defrauded by healtcare companies? There might be a case for that in certain instances, but we are talking about loss of coverage. So, what should Bush do about this loss of healthcare coverage? And I mean something that will make a real difference for those 2.4 million people.
That depends on what you believe, I personally believe in a national healthcare system and it would take the president to get such a change made. Bush is by no means actually responsible for the loss of healthcare, the numbers only imply that perhaps Bush should do something about the alleged epidemic of null healthcare among 40+ million americans.

saygoodbye12

09-06-2004, 11:30 PM

edit - the first World Trade Center bombing, but how many did that kill?

What difference does it make how many were killed?

Does it make it less of a bombing or terrorist attack because luckily people were able to get out?

chevman

09-06-2004, 11:47 PM

What difference does it make how many were killed?

Does it make it less of a bombing or terrorist attack because luckily people were able to get out?

My point was to illustrate that we have had very few terrorist attacks in our nation's history, and that those that we have had have been relatively small. I think the attack on the World Trade Center the first time had a MUCH smaller mental impact on the nation than 9-11, mainly due to the scale of the attack and its effectiveness (or lack thereof).

jrcdmb40

09-06-2004, 11:49 PM

how many american lives were lost in iraq fighting "terrorism"? you fucking dumbass, people like you make the rest of the world give up on humanity
how many innocent iraqis woulve been killed had we not intervened? how many more would have died due to terrorists attacks? sorry, but your the only dumbass i see.

EatSleepJeep

09-07-2004, 12:12 AM

2: Combined terms of Presidency that will be served by men with the last name of Bush.

nubby

09-07-2004, 12:35 AM

how many innocent iraqis woulve been killed had we not intervened? how many more would have died due to terrorists attacks? sorry, but your the only dumbass i see.
Well does that mean it's our place to intervene eveytime people get killed in another country?

jrcdmb40

09-07-2004, 12:48 AM

No, true that's irrelevant. But still who knows how many other terrorist attacks couldve occured.

boob

09-07-2004, 01:16 AM

sure all of you michael moore cronies think you have all of these cool numbers against bush and cheney along with their so called "conspiracies" with their companies and war, but what cool numbers and facts does kerry have? oh yeah, here's a start:
Voted against the Iraq war ...

Before he was for the Iraq war ...

Before he voted for the Iraq war ...

Before he was against the Iraq war ...

Before he voted for funding the Iraq war ...

before he voted against funding.

And today, if you ask him if he supports the war?

he stutters and says:
"What - what - what I voted for - Lesley, you - you - you see, you’re playing here. What - what I voted for was a - an authority for the president to go to war as a last resort if Saddam Hussein did not disarm and we needed to go to war." (CBS’ "60 Minutes," 7/11/04)

the vote he made in senate wasn't for "a last resort", it was to start major operations with the days following the vote.

mwjorgens

09-07-2004, 01:33 AM

how many innocent iraqis woulve been killed had we not intervened? how many more would have died due to terrorists attacks? sorry, but your the only dumbass i see.
i dont know smart guy, how many?? how many scores have been killed by saddam? a lot. so if we really went over there to get rid of this terrible dictator and to stop him from killing his people, why didnt we do it a long time ago and spare all those innocent lives. just keep swallowing everything bush throws at you though.:thumbsup

boob

09-07-2004, 01:35 AM

it would have been along time ago if clinton hadnt fucked up our military planning/budget.

jrcdmb40

09-07-2004, 02:18 AM

i dont know smart guy, how many?? how many scores have been killed by saddam? a lot. so if we really went over there to get rid of this terrible dictator and to stop him from killing his people, why didnt we do it a long time ago and spare all those innocent lives. just keep swallowing everything bush throws at you though.:thumbsup
Cause Bill Clinton was too much of a pussy to do anything about it. Iraq and other terrorist groups/nations posed a great threat to the US. Sacrifices come with war. Why let terrorist groups brew in the middle east to be an even larger threat to the world?

Mickey Carson

09-07-2004, 05:37 AM

Cause Bill Clinton was too much of a pussy to do anything about it. Iraq and other terrorist groups/nations posed a great threat to the US. Sacrifices come with war. Why let terrorist groups brew in the middle east to be an even larger threat to the world?

I know that you were in grade school at the time, but Clinton authorized a massive attack of Iraq in December of 1998. Do some research. By the way, clever rhetorical strategy of clumping Iraq with "other terrorist groups/nations." You should run for President.

cyberhound

09-07-2004, 08:15 AM

I know that you were in grade school at the time, but Clinton authorized a massive attack of Iraq in December of 1998. Do some research. By the way, clever rhetorical strategy of clumping Iraq with "other terrorist groups/nations." You should run for President.
Four days of selective airstrikes is a massive attack?

EatSleepJeep

09-07-2004, 10:32 AM

Cause Bill Clinton was too much of a pussy to do anything about it. Iraq and other terrorist groups/nations posed a great threat to the US. Sacrifices come with war. Why let terrorist groups brew in the middle east to be an even larger threat to the world?
He could have been like Ronald Reagan and trained and funded Osama bin Laden, sold arms to Iran, and helped Saddam gain power in Iraq and sold him arms as well. That meddling worked out SO well.

DMBSignGuy

09-07-2004, 12:16 PM

it would have been along time ago if clinton hadnt fucked up our military planning/budget.

well then i must say that Dick Cheney disagees with you as quoted in my sig. According to Cheney we all owe Clinton a big thank you for our ability to fight this war on terror and the war in iraq.

DMBSignGuy

09-07-2004, 12:18 PM

He could have been like Ronald Reagan and trained and funded Osama bin Laden, sold arms to Iran, and helped Saddam gain power in Iraq and sold him arms as well. That meddling worked out SO well.

Dont forget that Regan removed Iraq from the list of terrorsist nations in order to provide greater aid to iraq during its war with iran. ;)

marco j

09-07-2004, 12:25 PM

marco j

09-07-2004, 12:27 PM

Four days of selective airstrikes is a massive attack?

it's no SHOCK AND AWE i'll give you that, but it sure beats the hell out of invasion and the resulting consequences.

marco j

09-07-2004, 12:28 PM

Four days of selective airstrikes is a massive attack?

it's no SHOCK AND AWE!!! i'll give you that but it sure beats the hell out of the current situation.

stimmerman

09-07-2004, 12:53 PM

Cause Bill Clinton was too much of a pussy to do anything about it. Iraq and other terrorist groups/nations posed a great threat to the US. Sacrifices come with war. Why let terrorist groups brew in the middle east to be an even larger threat to the world?
Yeah, and Bush did so much to confront this terrorist threat before 9/11.

I was really getting sick of hearing Bush talk about terrorism before 9/11. Terrorism this and terrorism that. You'd of thought he was obsessed with protecting America from terrorists in his first year and a half as President. Thank god he switched his focus to Iraq, I don't know how much more I could've taken.

ambysshrink

09-07-2004, 01:14 PM

Yeah, and Bush did so much to confront this terrorist threat before 9/11.

I was really getting sick of hearing Bush talk about terrorism before 9/11. Terrorism this and terrorism that. You'd of thought he was obsessed with protecting America from terrorists in his first year and a half as President. Thank god he switched his focus to Iraq, I don't know how much more I could've taken.
:thumbsup :thumbsup

jrock5730

09-07-2004, 01:22 PM

Evans

09-07-2004, 01:29 PM

Actually you can argue it solely based on statistical probability.

How many terrorist attacks have occurred in the US in the last 200 years?

Maybe 10? Really the only two large ones I can think of (excluding Pearl Harbor which I consider somewhat different considering it was a sovereign nation attacking us, rather than loosely affiliated individuals), are Columbine and OK City. Both of those were committed by Americans too, against other Americans!

edit - the first World Trade Center bombing, but how many did that kill?

So, based on past history we can readily see that terrorist attacks within the US are rather rare. Thus, if you pick any short time span of a couple years, the chance that a terrorist attack took place during that time is relatively small. Bush, the Republicans, and the media to a certain extent, want you and the rest of the American populace to think the fact that we haven't had an attack is somehow due to our govt's actions. Last I checked pre 9-11 the govt wasn't do much of anything to prevent terrorism and we still didn't have many attacks.

But what's that you say, 'the world is different now'? Not really, it's just the same thing, but with different people. We forget so quickly....

Bin Laden declared jihad on the US in the mid to late 90's...9/11 is an entirely different thing from Pearl Harbor/Columbine/OK City...Bin Laden has been trying fervently since 9/11 to attack, the administration has so far been successful in preventing a number of attempted attacks. This is common knowledge.

Evans

09-07-2004, 01:30 PM

you are a fool

you are an asshole. What are you, 12? :lol

ambysshrink

09-07-2004, 01:37 PM

Bin Laden declared jihad on the US in the mid to late 90's...9/11 is an entirely different thing from Pearl Harbor/Columbine/OK City...Bin Laden has been trying fervently since 9/11 to attack, the administration has so far been successful in preventing a number of attempted attacks. This is common knowledge.
This is the most poorly thought-out statement I've read in the past 40 minutes.

Please show me evidence that the Bush Administration has prevented a single attack since 9/11. And even if you do that (which you won't, you'll probably just say something of a copout, like "We don't know because its top-secret"), what do you say about the new terrorists he's bread by invading Iraq, a country which has nothing to do with the people who attacked us? Bush has spilled hatred of the United States all over the world, causing more and more people and cultures to despise everything we stand for. At this rate, it's just a matter of time before we all drown in it.

ambysshrink

09-07-2004, 01:38 PM

you are an asshole. What are you, 12? :lol
You probably shouldn't badmouth others after making a post as stupid, thoughtless, witless, naive and presumptuous as you just did.

System

09-07-2004, 01:39 PM

i still can't believe there are people that think wanting UN approval is a bad thing.

..and stop calling it the war on terror. it's not.

What is it then?

And looked what happened to Russia since they took a soft stance on terrorism

2 planes
1 train station
1 school w/kids

Notice they don't try that crap here cause we have not only made it harder to get into the country for those people wanting to do harm but they know we don't take no shit from nobody.

I believe that if we have to kill 5 terrorists to save 1 american life it is a fair trade..... but that is my personal belief...

ambysshrink

09-07-2004, 01:44 PM

What is it then?
It's a war against Iraq, a country that has never launched a terrorist attack against us, or threatened to do so. End of story.

ambysshrink

09-07-2004, 01:47 PM

I believe that if we have to kill 5 terrorists to save 1 american life it is a fair trade..... but that is my personal belief...
:ugh: :ugh: First of all, what is the significance of this thought? Where did it come from and why would you even say it? Why not say instead, for example, "Candy is yummy."

Second, you're the only one who alluded to taking a "soft approach on terrorism."

Third, connecting The war in Iraq, what happenned in Russia and The War on Terrorism is like trying to connect sausage, foghorns and scotch tape.

jrcdmb40

09-07-2004, 01:50 PM

:ugh: :ugh: First of all, what is the significance of this thought? Where did it come from and why would you even say it? Why not say instead, for example, "Candy is yummy."

Second, you're the only one who alluded to taking a "soft approach on terrorism."

Third, connecting The war in Iraq, what happenned in Russia and The War on Terrorism is like trying to connect sausage, foghorns and scotch tape.
Hes not connecting them dumbass, hes showing examples

jrcdmb40

09-07-2004, 01:51 PM

It's a war against Iraq, a country that has never launched a terrorist attack against us, or threatened to do so. End of story.
So you think they were against terrorism? not a possible threat to anyone?

ambysshrink

09-07-2004, 01:54 PM

So you think they were against terrorism? not a possible threat to anyone?
Please tell me where I said that.

ambysshrink

09-07-2004, 01:55 PM

Hes not connecting them dumbass, hes showing examples
He gave examples showing something (apparantly trying to contradict something) that nobody claimed.

ambysshrink

09-07-2004, 01:56 PM

Please tell me one bad thing about **wanting** UN approval. Why the hell would you not want the UN to approve of something you want to do?

marco j

09-07-2004, 02:19 PM

What is it then?

And looked what happened to Russia since they took a soft stance on terrorism

2 planes
1 train station
1 school w/kids

Notice they don't try that crap here cause we have not only made it harder to get into the country for those people wanting to do harm but they know we don't take no shit from nobody.

I believe that if we have to kill 5 terrorists to save 1 american life it is a fair trade..... but that is my personal belief...

i don't believe killing more than 150 of your own people to stop a hostage situation is getting 'soft' on terrorism.

so again ...why is it bad to want UN approval????

nubby

09-07-2004, 02:26 PM

i don't believe killing more than 150 of your own people to stop a hostage situation is getting 'soft' on terrorism.

so again ...why is it bad to want UN approval????
The reason he is claiming Russia's soft stance on terrorism is because of the false linkage between Iraq and terrorism. This was one of the main tools of Bush to get people to agree with the invasion of Iraq. Call Iraq a terrorist state and suddenly Iraq is the same as Afghanistan.

System

09-07-2004, 02:33 PM

Russia's soft stance on terrorism stems from the fact they didn't agree with us going into Iraq. They haven't stepped up security like we have, and they are at war with a group of Rebels (who happen to be Muslim) in one of their provences.

By not taking a stand years ago in Chechyna or standing by ourside during Iraq, they got labled as a country soft on terrorists.

and to make the UN happy is like trying to get everyone here to agree what is their favorite DMB song, you won't be able to get everyones approval. We did what he had to do. The UN has never, I repeat, never been effictive in hostile situations, Bosnia, Somalia, etc the lists goes on.

Mickey Carson

09-07-2004, 03:20 PM

Four days of selective airstrikes is a massive attack?
It was referred to by many newspapers and military officials at the time as a massive attack. Since more cruise missiles were fired during the first two days of the "selective airstrikes" than during the entire Gulf War, then yeah I'd consider it massive. You don't consider air and missile strikes that totaled 500 million dollars in defense expenses a massive attack? You don't consider attacking over 100 different targets in Iraq, over 100 bombing raids, using 300 Tomahawk cruise missiles and 100 air-launched cruise missiles in 4 days a massive attack?

nubby

09-07-2004, 03:25 PM

System

09-07-2004, 03:25 PM

You don't consider air and missile strikes that totaled 500 million dollars in defense expenses a massive attack? You don't consider attacking over 100 different targets in Iraq, over 100 bombing raids, using 300 Tomahawk cruise missiles and 100 air-launched cruise missiles in 4 days a massive attack?

No I don't cause apparently it wasn't good enough....

System

09-07-2004, 03:26 PM

Thats exactly what I'm saying; somehow you are equating Iraq to terrorism. Which I'm sorry to say, is the problem with this country. Somehow we got from 9/11 to Iraq with no connection between.

and you are equating terrorism to only Bin Laden and his gang of beared men.

Terrorism comes in all shapes, sizes, and locations. Iraq under Saddam was one of them

EatSleepJeep

09-07-2004, 03:32 PM

and you are equating terrorism to only Bin Laden and his gang of beared men.

Terrorism comes in all shapes, sizes, and locations. Iraq under Saddam was one of them
Iraq under Saddam was a repressive, violent dictatorship, just like the scores that the US enabled/engineered/supported/funded over the years. The only difference is that Saddam wasn't our puppet or friendly to our needs. If he was, he'd be eating buttered corn-on-the-cob right now and smoking cigars with W.

System

09-07-2004, 03:34 PM

Iraq under Saddam was a repressive, violent dictatorship, just like the scores that the US enabled/engineered/supported/funded over the years. The only difference is that Saddam wasn't our puppet or friendly to our needs. If he was, he'd be eating buttered corn-on-the-cob right now and smoking cigars with W.

Ya, welcome to the "I Have My Blinders On the World Situation Club"

We did what we did, I can't argue that but gassing your own people doesn't put you high on the US best buds list.

nubby

09-07-2004, 03:40 PM

and you are equating terrorism to only Bin Laden and his gang of beared men.

Terrorism comes in all shapes, sizes, and locations. Iraq under Saddam was one of them
No actually terrorism does not come in all shapes and sizes. What defines terrorism is violence (as bombing) committed by groups in order to intimidate a population or government into granting their demands. Iraq did no such things. We aren't debating the morallity of Iraq here because there is no doubt that Saddam was a tyrant... but Iraq was not a terrorist state.

Mickey Carson

09-07-2004, 03:41 PM

No I don't cause apparently it wasn't good enough....
You thinking the attack wasn't good enough doesn't change the fact that it was massive.

nubby

09-07-2004, 03:47 PM

It was massive and it was the main reason Iraq had virtually no airforce and little anti-aircraft emplacements during the invasion of Iraq.

System

09-07-2004, 03:47 PM

but Iraq was not a terrorist state.

And that has been shown where?

nubby

09-07-2004, 03:53 PM

And that has been shown where?
Well mainly Iraq didn't hijack planes, bomb buildings or hold schools hostage. Where can you provide proof that Iraq was a terrorist state?

jrcdmb40

09-07-2004, 04:15 PM

didnt they find terrorist training camps in iraq?

schmenencke

09-07-2004, 04:42 PM

Thats exactly what I'm saying; somehow you are equating Iraq to terrorism. Which I'm sorry to say, is the problem with this country. Somehow we got from 9/11 to Iraq with no connection between.

You're making the mistake of equating terrorism and September 11th. Iraq clearly funded terrorism in the region (Iran, Israel, Turkey), and supported several failed attempts on US targets.

ambysshrink

09-07-2004, 04:52 PM

and you are equating terrorism to only Bin Laden and his gang of beared men.

Terrorism comes in all shapes, sizes, and locations. Iraq under Saddam was one of them
When did Saddam Hussein take part in terrorism against us?

ambysshrink

09-07-2004, 05:01 PM

didnt they find terrorist training camps in iraq?
No. :BANG

cyberhound

09-07-2004, 05:01 PM

When did Saddam Hussein take part in terrorism against us?
How about when he tried to have the first Bush assasinated.

ambysshrink

09-07-2004, 05:03 PM

How about when he tried to have the first Bush assasinated.
That is not an example of terrorism in the same way that the Columbine shootings were not an example of terrorism.

nubby

09-07-2004, 05:05 PM

How about when he tried to have the first Bush assasinated.
Assasination of an enemy country's leader is not terrorism. If it is than we are guilty of terrorism. Not only are we guilty of terrorism, we are guilty of terrorism on a perpetual level.

cyberhound

09-07-2004, 05:06 PM

That is not an example of terrorism in the same way that the Columbine shootings were not an example of terrorism.
Meh. It was the only thing I could come up with.

ambysshrink

09-07-2004, 05:09 PM

And that has been shown where?
Are you fucking kidding me? I can't wait for tomorrow's newspaper to read "NEW REPORT REVEALS CANADA IS NOT A TERRORIST STATE!" You see, we don't report things that are normal, because they're not newsworthy. Why don't you go do a study on whether or not drinking water cures thirst.

You have not yet shown me that you aren't a serial rapist, but I just don't assume you are until I see proof of the contrary. That is how the world works. Your argument is crap.

ambysshrink

09-07-2004, 05:09 PM

Meh. It was the only thing I could come up with.
Trust me, you're not alone; it's the only thing anyone will be able to come up with ;) And what does that tell us? :P

nubby

09-07-2004, 05:12 PM

It tells us that next time we better show a little more patience before we invade a country.

cyberhound

09-07-2004, 05:17 PM

Trust me, you're not alone; it's the only thing anyone will be able to come up with ;) And what does that tell us? :P
As you were able to tell from that post I gave you from last year, I was against and still am against the war in Iraq. I remember Powell speaking at the UN in the fall before the war, and asking myself, if we are so sure those are weapons facilities, why are there not pictures or video of those facilities being bombed as well? There was evidence of Saddam having at least some loose contact with Al-Queda, and there might be a case for reason to believe they might have cooperated at some point, but we have no evidence that they did before the war. And we certainly didn't need this war to solve that potential problem.

nubby

09-07-2004, 05:20 PM

I'll admit I was for the war. This was also at the time that Powell was promising the proof and providing sat. pictures of scud launchers from who knows when. Bush was also making the case that Iraq had ties with al qaeda and that Iraq posed a clear and present danger to america. Soon after I realized I was duped.

ambysshrink

09-07-2004, 05:23 PM

As you were able to tell from that post I gave you from last year, I was against and still am against the war in Iraq...
Oh I know I know... that was an open-ended question to the board and not even 1% directed at you personally.

Saddam_Hussein

09-07-2004, 05:36 PM

Iraq under Saddam was a repressive, violent dictatorship, just like the scores that the US enabled/engineered/supported/funded over the years. The only difference is that Saddam wasn't our puppet or friendly to our needs. If he was, he'd be eating buttered corn-on-the-cob right now and smoking cigars with W.Mmmmm...........buttered corn-on-the-cob. I would kill for some of that right now.

Literally.

jrcdmb40

09-07-2004, 06:22 PM

No. :BANG
wasnt sure.

ambysshrink

09-07-2004, 06:58 PM

wasnt sure.
No problem. I was actually just going to type "No." and leave it at that, but you have to type at least four characters and a space doesn't count, so I just clicked the first somewhat-applicable graphic I could find. :lol :lol

Evans

09-08-2004, 12:42 AM

Oh I know I know... that was an open-ended question to the board and not even 1% directed at you personally.

If you wanna know my stance bad enough, search my posts...you find many MANY times where i state my positions and reasons for being that way. I will not type it here for you AGAIN. And frankly, this is just not worth anymore of my time.

ambysshrink

09-08-2004, 01:41 PM

If you wanna know my stance bad enough...
Well, lucky for you, your stance has been torn apart and thus I, too, see no reason for you to retype it.

jrock5730

09-08-2004, 02:10 PM

Saddam_Hussein

09-08-2004, 02:17 PM

Thats right! Put me back in charge and all order will be restored. You dumb Americans don't know how to run an Arab country. What were you thinking? There are many opposing factions in Iraq. You think you can come in and tell everyone they are free and everyone will get along and be happy? Ha.

Evans

09-08-2004, 02:24 PM

Well, lucky for you, your stance has been torn apart and thus I, too, see no reason for you to retype it.

It has? Funny, I don't see any of your arguments tearing mine apart. You can't prove any more than I can. Get your head out of your ass and come back to reality.

EatSleepJeep

09-08-2004, 04:00 PM

9: Total number of months of Guard duty skipped by George W. Bush in 1972 & 1973.

24: Months he should have served on active duty in Vietnam for being AWOL

0: Months he served in Vietnam on active duty.

Bush Spokesman Dan Bartlett concurs and claims he "must have misspoke"
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5943420/

ambysshrink

09-08-2004, 06:15 PM

It has? Funny, I don't see any of your arguments tearing mine apart. You can't prove any more than I can. Get your head out of your ass and come back to reality.
First of all, it's not that funny.

Second, I never claimed that I had yet made any arguments tearing yours apart.

jrock5730

09-08-2004, 06:34 PM

EatSleepJeep

09-08-2004, 06:43 PM

Can we just start an "ambysshrink vs. cyberhound" thread?

ambysshrink

09-08-2004, 06:45 PM

Can we just start an "ambysshrink vs. cyberhound" thread?
Perhaps a poll? :lol

jrock5730

09-08-2004, 06:59 PM

Perhaps a poll? :lol

I would love to see those results...I wonder who Rob would vote for?? :lol

boiii

09-08-2004, 07:08 PM

it all comes down to this.

all intelligent, well informed and well thought out replies have been made by kerry supporters.
all impulsive, idiotic, factless, ignorant replies have been made by bush supporters.

sadly, theres more of the latter in the united states on a whole, so the election will go that way. argue until youre blue, but at the end of the day, the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

cheers.
ken

for the record: im of the "elite", pro-war, and on a general basis support bush becasue of selfish interests. but my sister now lives in the united states, and i fear with him in power her safety is at risk.

Osama_Bin_Laden

09-08-2004, 07:11 PM

Evans

09-08-2004, 09:37 PM

mwjorgens

09-08-2004, 10:32 PM

the war with Iraq is the biggest joke I have ever seen. I bet it you asked half the men and women there why they were there, half of them would tell you they have no idea. I have read so many reports of high ranking officers questioning why the hell they are there. I am just sick of it, all the young people dying for no good reason.
part true part not. my cousin put in a year over there. he knew the 'reasons he was sent over' he also knew that they were bullshit but had no choice. he hates that he was there and the things he had to do, but he loves the compensastion he recieved:) yes young people are dying for no good reason at all but if they make it back they are sitting a little better. that is unless bush wins and decides to start another war for no reason

cyberhound

09-08-2004, 10:59 PM

I would love to see those results...I wonder who Rob would vote for?? :lol
Vote, Rob? Dictators don't believe in elections.

boiii

09-09-2004, 01:50 AM

I have an intelligent, well informed, well thought out piece of advice for you...stay in Paris, they have some real leadership there :lol

i don't live there.
you're still a fucking corky.

cheers.
ken

jrock5730

09-09-2004, 11:05 AM

Vote, Rob? Dictators don't believe in elections.

you are the biggest piece of monkey shit I have ever seen! I cannot stand people like you. I can only hope you are alone with Bush in the White House when it gets taken out!

System

09-09-2004, 11:23 AM

i don't live there.
you're still a fucking corky.

cheers.
ken

to quote a friend

"Fucking French"

*shakes head and walks away*

DMBSignGuy

09-09-2004, 01:49 PM

you are the biggest piece of monkey shit I have ever seen! I cannot stand people like you. I can only hope you are alone with Bush in the White House when it gets taken out!

:ugh: i dunno maybe its just me but i took his comment as a joke. but then again it is early for me. :freak

cyberhound

09-09-2004, 02:14 PM

you are the biggest piece of monkey shit I have ever seen! I cannot stand people like you. I can only hope you are alone with Bush in the White House when it gets taken out!
:lol Glad I could brighten your day.

nubby

09-09-2004, 03:48 PM

:lol Glad I could brighten your day.
You brighten my day everyday!

cyberhound

09-09-2004, 03:57 PM

You brighten my day everyday!
Apparently not. All the times I've pissed you off and you've never called me monkey shit.:(

nubby

09-09-2004, 04:07 PM

Apparently not. All the times I've pissed you off and you've never called me monkey shit.:(
You don't piss me off, you provide entertainment and conversation. Even if sometimes it's only to be devils advocate.

cyberhound

09-09-2004, 04:11 PM

You don't piss me off, you provide entertainment and conversation. Even if sometimes it's only to be devils advocate.
Does that mean I need to make a more concerted effort?;)