Who is voting for Bush and why?

[sliver108]

I would like to find out who is voing for Bush and why. Please don't turn this into a bash Bush or even a Bash Kerry thread.

Thanks,
Jeff

[System]

I am voting for Bush cause in times of war we need a stong leader. One who takes a stand and sticks with it. One who's daughters don't look like the spawn of linda tripp and a oak tree

[sliver108]

I am voting for Bush cause in times of war we need a stong leader. One who takes a stand and sticks with it. One who's daughters don't look like the spawn of linda tripp and a oak tree
Well it is an answer lol. I like the "spawn of linda trip" part lol.

[nubby]

I'm voting for trimmed because bush is just too much to handle when you go down on a chick.

[AU1880]

Bush. Reason: War on Terror

[mwjorgens]

Bush. Reason: War on Terror
oh man. atleast pick an issue that you might have a small chance to win an argument with

[tdowe99]

I'm not voting for Bush cuz he lied to America.
No need for me to bash him.

[watchtwrwildcat]

I'm not voting for Bush cuz he lied to America.
No need for me to bash him.
hope you didn't vote for Clinton either.

[mwjorgens]

hope you didn't vote for Clinton either.
cause of monica? i always forget how many people that lied killed......

[AggieDMBFan06]

I am voting for President George W Bush because he is the man in power that isnt afraid to react to terrible circumstances. He acts in ways that will protect the US. Some of yall might not believe that but, have we been attacked since 9/11 here in the continental US? NO because he gets the job done.

[dmbnj79]

I am voting for President George W Bush because he is the man in power that isnt afraid to react to terrible circumstances. He acts in ways that will protect the US. Some of yall might not believe that but, have we been attacked since 9/11 here in the continental US? NO because he gets the job done.
For once, an Aggie knows what they're talking about. ;) kidding.

[DMBSignGuy]

He acts in ways that will protect the US

by underfunding Homeland Security?

Some of yall might not believe that but, have we been attacked since 9/11 here in the continental US? NO because he gets the job done.

i really do believe this is flawed logic. lets say kerry wins and the day after he gets into office a terrorist attack, god forbid, occurs. is it kerrys fault for not being prepared enough? or is it bushs fault for not preparing us enough? both are no's. you can only prepare so much. protection against terrorist attacks is not 100% guarenteed not will it ever be. blaming soley president bush for 911 is the same as praising him for the absence of one since 911.

[tdowe99]

blaming soley president bush for 911 is the same as praising him for the absence of one since 911.

:thumbsup

[eric_dmbfan03]

blaming soley president bush for 911 is the same as praising him for the absence of one since 911.
Great thought.

[AggieDMBFan06]

For once, an Aggie knows what they're talking about. ;) kidding.
it comes like lightning sometimes

[Number27]

Bush. Reason: War on Terror
Voting for a candidate solely for one reason, is idiotic.

[ss10mets]

hope you didn't vote for Clinton either.

Clinton's lie was a private issue that had nothing to do with sending our troops to war for no reason, lets be serious. His lie hasn't cost our country billions in dollars that would be better spend on our own people to help shore up our police departments, boders, coasts. Could have paid for healthcare for most of our citizens and improved our national education....

[Warehouse21]

hope you didn't vote for Clinton either.

Clinton lied about his dick versus weapons of mass destruction.

Grow up.

[cyberhound]

Some will argue, and they might have a point, that if Clinton wasn't so pre-occupied with interns and the scandals that came with them, that he might have spent more serious time on national security and things like dealing with Al-Queda. And for the record, Clinton said Iraq had WMD's during his term, he even went so far as to begin soliciting authority from congress to invade if necessary. So, it looks like he lied about more than his dick.

[System]

Clinton's lie was a private issue that had nothing to do with sending our troops to war for no reason, lets be serious. His lie hasn't cost our country billions in dollars that would be better spend on our own people to help shore up our police departments, boders, coasts. Could have paid for healthcare for most of our citizens and improved our national education....

He lied to a grand jury which makes him a FELON!!!

Ya, rather have somebody dedicated to keeping this country safe or somebody that should be somebody's bitch in jail...

[tdowe99]

He lied to a grand jury which makes him a FELON!!!
He's only a felon if he was convicted. Looks like you're wrong there.
:rolleyes:

[System]

He's only a felon if he was convicted. Looks like you're wrong there.
:rolleyes:

Only wrong in the eyes of the court. He lied to a grand jury period. I would have gone to jail for that, you would have gone too, hell 99% of the population would.

He is still a felon, not a convicted felon

[DollyLlama]

All this Clinton talk... Why is he even a part of this discussion? Do that many anti-Bush people really think that Clinton is the exact opposite and therefore the greatest president in the history of history? If you want to play the blame game here, you're going to have to go waaaaay back.

[BKeener]

We also haven't had a terrorist attack in 3 yrs yet we're all so "terrorist paranoid" Why is it that terrorism was never a word we used pre-911? Bush has MADE it an issue...an issue that he has gained a lot of popularity from, yet an issue that hasn't been a problem since. We had one attack from a few individuals and now we're trying to erase "terrorism" across the board? Give me a break...personally, I think 9-11 was an attack on Bush NOT on America. And we're merely using Iraq as our whipping boy; not to say that Saddam wasn't evil and that there are terrorists in Iraq, but c'mon you don't see us battling terrorists in Russia or North Korea do you?

[System]

We also haven't had a terrorist attack in 3 yrs yet we're all so "terrorist paranoid" Why is it that terrorism was never a word we used pre-911? Bush has MADE it an issue...an issue that he has gained a lot of popularity from, yet an issue that hasn't been a problem since. We had one attack from a few individuals and now we're trying to erase "terrorism" across the board? Give me a break...personally, I think 9-11 was an attack on Bush NOT on America. And we're merely using Iraq as our whipping boy; not to say that Saddam wasn't evil and that there are terrorists in Iraq, but c'mon you don't see us battling terrorists in Russia or North Korea do you?

Made an issue of it?

3000+ people died, i don't konw about you but that is big issue in my mind.

Why don't you go back to your peacefull dream world and let the adults defend our freedom, including the freedom you have to post such stupid shit

[BKeener]

Made an issue of it?

3000+ people died, i don't konw about you but that is big issue in my mind.

Why don't you go back to your peacefull dream world and let the adults defend our freedom, including the freedom you have to post such stupid shit


The ATTACK was an issue...but TERRORISM as a more abstract concept was not. There's a difference.

I'm so tired of people saying we're fighting for our freedom....that's crap. Our freedom has never been in question. Whether 9-11 happened or not, or whether we are in Iraq or not, we're no more or less "free." It's not like we're fighting for our sovereignty or independence...don't over-glorify this war by saying that we're fighting for our freedom. My freedom hasn't and wont change despite this war

[System]

The ATTACK was an issue...but TERRORISM as a more abstract concept was not. There's a difference.

I'm so tired of people saying we're fighting for our freedom....that's crap. Our freedom has never been in question. Whether 9-11 happened or not, or whether we are in Iraq or not, we're no more or less "free." It's not like we're fighting for our sovereignty or independence...don't over-glorify this war by saying that we're fighting for our freedom. My freedom hasn't and wont change despite this war

Like I said, go back to your dream world and let the adults worry about protecting america.

[tdowe99]

System, maybe you could come up with a better defense than "go back to your dream world, hippie liberal."

[DollyLlama]

Like I said, go back to your dream world and let the adults worry about protecting america.

So, protecting America means going off on an imperialist adventure in Iraq, pissing off most of the world and providing a great recruiting base for Al Qaeda. OK. Glad I've got that straight now.

[System]

So, protecting America means going off on an imperialist adventure in Iraq, pissing off most of the world and providing a great recruiting base for Al Qaeda. OK. Glad I've got that straight now.


1) Who cares if we piss of the world. We did what needed to be done. End of story. Look at russia, they should have taken care of Chechnya years ago...now look at them

2) Recruiting base for Al Qaeda, possibly, but thanks to our efforts in the intelligence community they have a crushed infrastructure. They can't operate without some of their main avenues of finance and information. So all you are going to get is splinter cells of people wanting to do harm with no real means to do it besides their total dedication to ending America as a country.

[System]

System, maybe you could come up with a better defense than "go back to your dream world, hippie liberal."

Defense to what? The statement that Bush made 9/11 an issue?

How do you respond to such a childish uniformed statement. You respond with childish remarks. My remarks were appropriate to the sitution.

[seantrantham]

I'm voting for Bush for the following:

Strong president
Stood up for America when our allies would not
I believe that he had bad intelligence, I don't think he lied
Kerry flip flops

[System]

I'm voting for Bush for the following:

Strong president
Stood up for America when our allies would not
I believe that he had bad intelligence, I don't think he lied
Kerry flip flops


Couldn't have said it better myself...unless i was kerry, then i could, well maybe not, or sometimes...did I mention I have 3 purple hearts?

[lindz1999]

ok, i know this is a "why are you voting for bush" thread, but i am voting for kerry and i haven't posted anything, i've read everyone's post and i haven't said a word, and i would like to post my reasons for voting for kerry. and this are my personal reasons, and i'm not bashing anyone voting for bush, i would just like you too understand why i'm not...

first off with the war, i felt war was the way we would go after 9/11, but i felt we should of at least gone to the right places and after the right person. yes, everyone thought there were WMD, but he wasn't attacking us. and with this war 2 of my friends have died and one injured. i'm sorry, i can't vote for a person who put my friends in harms way for the wrong reason.

second, i just graduated college in May '03 and i'm working at the mall. i had a job in my working for Sony Electronic in human resources (which is part of the reason i went to school) it was a good paying job and i had health benefits... right before i started my section got cut because they sent the jobs overseas where they didn't have to pay employees that much money... so i'm stuck working a horrible job until something opens up, or doing what i'm doing, moving - and it's gonna be hard because i can't save a lot of money because i'm make squat.

third, i just feel we need a change - an all around change. a fresh new start for america and this is where it starts...

this is a lot more, but it's too long to type... i know this is my personal opinion, and i've read what everyone has been saying and your reasons for voting why you are, so i just wanted to share mine...
everyone vote - and my the best candidate win

lindsay

[Davenumber40]

I am voting for Bush because I like what he has done over the last 4 years and Kerry has yet to give me a reason to vote for him. When I listen to John Kerry speak all I hear are bad things about Bush or generalities about what he's going to do. On MTV a few days ago when asked under what circumstances he would send in US troops he replied 'Only when I'd have to.' Now how is anyone supposed to vote for that? He will say anything he has to to get elected and the only policy moves he's made are tossing out things no one could disagree with.

[AggieDMBFan06]

Voting for a candidate solely for one reason, is idiotic.And so is having that "voting for anyone but bush" mentality...

[Davenumber40]

Lindsay,

We disagree but I respect your opinion. You've made some points worth considering. I just love it when people can be civil in political discussion. Thanks for the input.

[System]

ok, i know this is a "why are you voting for bush" thread, but i am voting for kerry and i haven't posted anything, i've read everyone's post and i haven't said a word, and i would like to post my reasons for voting for kerry. and this are my personal reasons, and i'm not bashing anyone voting for bush, i would just like you too understand why i'm not...

first off with the war, i felt war was the way we would go after 9/11, but i felt we should of at least gone to the right places and after the right person. yes, everyone thought there were WMD, but he wasn't attacking us. and with this war 2 of my friends have died and one injured. i'm sorry, i can't vote for a person who put my friends in harms way for the wrong reason.

second, i just graduated college in May '03 and i'm working at the mall. i had a job in my working for Sony Electronic in human resources (which is part of the reason i went to school) it was a good paying job and i had health benefits... right before i started my section got cut because they sent the jobs overseas where they didn't have to pay employees that much money... so i'm stuck working a horrible job until something opens up, or doing what i'm doing, moving - and it's gonna be hard because i can't save a lot of money because i'm make squat.

third, i just feel we need a change - an all around change. a fresh new start for america and this is where it starts...

this is a lot more, but it's too long to type... i know this is my personal opinion, and i've read what everyone has been saying and your reasons for voting why you are, so i just wanted to share mine...
everyone vote - and my the best candidate win

lindsay

I agree those are good points, but don't blame Bush for economy. Economies just don't fall in 1 year or even 2. Clinton lies at fault for the economy.

But I totally agree with the statement to Vote...if you don't vote i don't want you to bitch about what is going on in the next 4 years.

[DollyLlama]

1) Who cares if we piss of the world. We did what needed to be done. End of story. Look at russia, they should have taken care of Chechnya years ago...now look at them.

That is an arrogant and ignorant statement. What is it exactly that needed to be done? And as far as Russia is concerned, we along with everyone else criticized Russia for the war they've fought in Chechnya. I'm sure they would have loved to have "taken care of Chechnya." Maybe they realized that prudence wasn't such a bad option if sticking your hand in a hornet's nest was the other option.


2) Recruiting base for Al Qaeda, possibly, but thanks to our efforts in the intelligence community they have a crushed infrastructure. They can't operate without some of their main avenues of finance and information. So all you are going to get is splinter cells of people wanting to do harm with no real means to do it besides their total dedication to ending America as a country.

And, like most people, you're only thinking about the here and now, instant gratification side of things. You want to be able to say how great George Bush is, so you're only going to look at what's likely to happen in the next few years while anyone still remembers him. Think back to when Reagan thought it was a good idea to arm and train Osama Bin Laden and the other folks that would become the Taliban and Al Qaeda. Boy, we succeeded in getting the Soviet menace out and letting freedom reign in Afghanistan. Go USA. Now, we're paying for that. What are you going to say in 20/30 years when the son of some innocent civilian we dropped a bomb on in Iraq becomes the next Osama, Mohammed Atta, or worse? Are you old enough that you do you not care because it won't be your problem then? Or are you just simply shortsighted?

[BKeener]

1) Who cares if we piss of the world. We did what needed to be done. End of story.

We did what needed to be done? What we did was react to ONE attack by entering a country where none of the attackers were from, ignored the nations where the attackers WERE from, found none of the weapons we claimed were present, and have had over 1,000 of our soldiers killed in the process. Open your eyes!


I'm voting for Bush for the following:

Kerry flip flops

And for those who think Kerry flip flops, did anyone see this link about how Bush flip flops?

http://www.americanprogressaction.org/site/pp.asp?c=klLWJcP7H&b=118263

In reality, all politicians flip flop...it's how they appeal to different crowds.

[BKeener]

Oh, and not caring how the rest of the world feels is exactly why 9-11 occurred in the first place

[Route_2]

I am voting for President George W Bush because he is the man in power that isnt afraid to react to terrible circumstances. He acts in ways that will protect the US. Some of yall might not believe that but, have we been attacked since 9/11 here in the continental US? NO because he gets the job done.It would have been nice if Bush had cared about protecting America more in the months leading up to 9/11. The terrorist will strike again when they are ready, they are smart and very patient.

[System]

We did what needed to be done? What we did was react to ONE attack by entering a country where none of the attackers were from, ignored the nations where the attackers WERE from, found none of the weapons we claimed were present, and have had over 1,000 of our soldiers killed in the process. Open your eyes!




And for those who think Kerry flip flops, did anyone see this link about how Bush flip flops?

http://www.americanprogressaction.org/site/pp.asp?c=klLWJcP7H&b=118263

In reality, all politicians flip flop...it's how they appeal to different crowds.

Terrorism isn't the only reason we went to Iraq, A reason but not the sole one.

1000+ Soldiers died, yes. But you think we should honor their memory by not completing the job and establishing a democracy where peace is the normal not a freak occurence. A place where people can live without fear of being killed by their leader. I think we should honor them, by firming up the government and let the people of Iraq grow and develop a culture and heritage on their own.

[AggieDMBFan06]

It would have been nice if Bush had cared about protecting America more in the months leading up to 9/11. The terrorist will strike again when they are ready, they are smart and very patient.
Allright :freak

[Route_2]

Allright :freak......:ggoat

[ss10mets]

1) Who cares if we piss of the world. We did what needed to be done. End of story. Look at russia, they should have taken care of Chechnya years ago...now look at them


This is exactly why we are where we are ( :BANG )... it was said before but I had to say it again, this is a globalized world now, we have to bend on some issues. Also, Chechnya has attacked Russia many times... Iraq has never once attacked America.......

[Daevian]

I sorta liked Bush pre 911. More like a less of 2 evils issue just like this election.......well like every damn election. So 911 happened so Bush says we need intel reform. Well hey look over there WMD. Oh wait no no WMD. Oh well damn it now we have to liberate this place that's great. So much for reform. So 1000 are dead and counting. 200 bil is spent and counting. Healthcare premiums are up. Unemployment is higher than 4 years ago. Low paying jobs are then created to make up for the loss. Now I'm kinda sad about it. But at least we haven't been attacked in the last 3 yrs. woot. I think most elections are pointless. I just like to have a new president makes the news a slight bit more interesting at times.

Note: Tax incentives for outsourcing jobs was a bill gave to Congress by Clinton I believe. Can't quite remember what it was called though.

[AggieDMBFan06]

1) Who cares if we piss of the world. We did what needed to be done. End of story. Look at russia, they should have taken care of Chechnya years ago...now look at them
I agree with you bud. You are what we call a realist in Political Science. Its true, its the harsh reality but its true they shouldve done something to not allowed the threat of an attack. Thats what we are trying to do with the war on terror.

[eric_dmbfan03]

A lot of people in my town, I'm sure ^ he can agree, are simply voting for Bush because he's from Texas. I don't mind at all that people are voting for Bush, I just wish more of them had personal reasons to vote for him. I try and have a simple conversation with people about Bush or Kerry and it always gets back to, "Well Bush is a Texan so I'm voting for him. Oh and also he drinks beer and so do I." That is what drives me crazy.

[wvumascotdmb]

I'm voting for Bush b-cuz Kerry's wife is fat!!! :lol :lol

No i'm voting for Bush b-cuz he's the man and if you don't like it.....(cartman voice) You can lick my nuts!!! :freak

[Daevian]

A lot of people in my town, I'm sure ^ he can agree, are simply voting for Bush because he's from Texas. I don't mind at all that people are voting for Bush, I just wish more of them had personal reasons to vote for him. I try and have a simple conversation with people about Bush or Kerry and it always gets back to, "Well Bush is a Texan so I'm voting for him. Oh and also he drinks beer and so do I." That is what drives me crazy.
Now that you put it that way I think I will vote for Bush.....:thumbsup

(that was a flame directed at the people you're refering to not you just for the record)

[eric_dmbfan03]

:lol

[thing4377]

One who's daughters don't look like the spawn of linda tripp and a oak tree
Are you kidding me? That is a great reason to cast a vote for Bush...the looks of his daughters!! :twak That has got to be the most moronic thing I have ever heard!! I hope you didnt vote for Clinton....because Chelsea was no prize!!

[jrock5730]

Terrorism isn't the only reason we went to Iraq, A reason but not the sole one.

1000+ Soldiers died, yes. But you think we should honor their memory by not completing the job and establishing a democracy where peace is the normal not a freak occurence. A place where people can live without fear of being killed by their leader. I think we should honor them, by firming up the government and let the people of Iraq grow and develop a culture and heritage on their own.

So now the war is about honor to you? You should join the military, or are you too fucking scared? You obviously believe in the war with Iraq, and you strike me as the type of person who would love to kill some innocent people with the assault weapons you seem to love so much.

[Route_2]

Are you kidding me? That is a great reason to cast a vote for Bush...the looks of his daughters!! :twak That has got to be the most moronic thing I have ever heard!! I hope you didnt vote for Clinton....because Chelsea was no prize!!She's actually not looking that bad lately, check it out.

[jrock5730]

Are you kidding me? That is a great reason to cast a vote for Bush...the looks of his daughters!! :twak That has got to be the most moronic thing I have ever heard!! I hope you didnt vote for Clinton....because Chelsea was no prize!!

System is full of moronic things to say. I don't think I have seen a sensible quote from him yet. Just read up on him, and you will see that he is the second biggest asshole on these boards.

[cyberhound]

System is full of moronic things to say. I don't think I have seen a sensible quote from him yet. Just read up on him, and you will see that he is the second biggest asshole on these boards.
Like your sig line. And let me guess who is #1 on the asshole list....:D

[System]

System is full of moronic things to say. I don't think I have seen a sensible quote from him yet. Just read up on him, and you will see that he is the second biggest asshole on these boards.

Read up on me? Sweet I got 2 files.

And the linda tripp and oak tree comment was a joke....

[System]

So now the war is about honor to you? You should join the military, or are you too fucking scared? You obviously believe in the war with Iraq, and you strike me as the type of person who would love to kill some innocent people with the assault weapons you seem to love so much.

Anybody know how I should respond to this?

i will try,

To do what i wanted to do with my life the military wasn't an option. If they did what I want to do, I would be there in a minute.

Kill Innocent people? Come on, i was taught better than that. Only a complete pyscho gets their rocks off by that....

[thing4377]

[QUOTE=Daevian]I sorta liked Bush pre 911. More like a less of 2 evils issue just like this election.......well like every damn election. So 911 happened so Bush says we need intel reform. Well hey look over there WMD. Oh wait no no WMD. Oh well damn it now we have to liberate this place that's great. So much for reform. So 1000 are dead and counting. 200 bil is spent and counting. Healthcare premiums are up. Unemployment is higher than 4 years ago. Low paying jobs are then created to make up for the loss. Now I'm kinda sad about it. But at least we haven't been attacked in the last 3 yrs. woot. I think most elections are pointless. I just like to have a new president makes the news a slight bit more interesting at times.

:thumbsup Sorry to fuck up the thread but, that's why I am NOT voting for Bush!!! Among other reasons of course, including the fact that he referred to the human race as "feces" as opposed to "fetus"!!!! Now I know why System likes Bush.....both have a serious lack of intelligence!!!

[System]

:thumbsup Sorry to fuck up the thread but, that's why I am NOT voting for Bush!!! Among other reasons of course, including the fact that he referred to the human race as "feces" as opposed to "fetus"!!!! Now I know why System likes Bush.....both have a serious lack of intelligence!!!

Serious lack of intellegence? Why do you say that?

[cyberhound]

Kill Innocent people? Come on, i was taught better than that. Only a complete pyscho gets their rocks off by that....
I can't really say if you are an asshole, but at least you were taught better than John Kerry.:thumbsup

[MistreatedLewis]

1) Who cares if we piss of the world. We did what needed to be done. End of story. Look at russia, they should have taken care of Chechnya years ago...now look at them

2) Recruiting base for Al Qaeda, possibly, but thanks to our efforts in the intelligence community they have a crushed infrastructure. They can't operate without some of their main avenues of finance and information. So all you are going to get is splinter cells of people wanting to do harm with no real means to do it besides their total dedication to ending America as a country.

"Is war, the only way to peace? Well I don't fall for that." I realize that most Americans won't agree with me. But I honestly don't care. I am going to vote my conscience.

[thing4377]

Serious lack of intellegence? Why do you say that?
Well obviuosly it is an opinion....however, just going by the many things you have stated on various topics, you are either lacking some intelligence or just very closed minded. Not that those are always bad things...look at Bush, he lacks intelligence and still managed to be America's president. So don't sweat it...there is always hope!:)

[System]

Well obviuosly it is an opinion....however, just going by the many things you have stated on various topics, you are either lacking some intelligence or just very closed minded. Not that those are always bad things...look at Bush, he lacks intelligence and still managed to be America's president. So don't sweat it...there is always hope!:)

well, I don't think i have an intelligence issues. I have a few college degree in engineering with a masters coming in May.

you say bush and I lack intelligence, and are closed minded. Well, maybe we lack your intelligence and you are closed minded to us. Any stance I have is based on in my mind on a logical arguement.

I respect your opinion, so, lets move onto a civil discussion.

I am voting for Bush cause he didn't vote to cancel the program i am working on.

[thing4377]

well, I don't think i have an intelligence issues. I have a few college degree in engineering with a masters coming in May.

Congratulations!!! Intelligence is not always found in books or by obtaining a few college degree....as you properly stated.

you say bush and I lack intelligence, and are closed minded. Well, maybe we lack your intelligence and you are closed minded to us. Any stance I have is based on in my mind on a logical arguement.

I said you and Bush appear to lack intelligence and when you asked why I said that, I replied that you either lacked intelligence or you were just closed minded. As far as me lacking intelligence to you and Bush, I didn't realize you two were buddies and I certainly wouldn't think he would have the time to discuss with you my intelligence. But tell him I said hello and humans start out as fetuses not feces.

I respect your opinion, so, lets move onto a civil discussion.

I was unaware that our "discussion" was not civil, and thank you for respecting my opinion.

I am voting for Bush cause he didn't vote to cancel the program i am working on.Would you still vote for him if he did cancel the program you are working on? Because as crazy as this may sound to you, it really isn't all about you.

[sliver108]

A message from the thread starter....

Bush war…war Bush



I started this thread but it is hard for me to hold my tongue. I could bash Bush for hours and I could even bash Kerry for hours even though I am voting for him. I wanted bush to win in 2000 to tell you the truth. He was a symbol of strength and I felt that we needed that. Well something went wrong point blank! Most of the world doesn’t respect the USA or Bush and this is a major problem. I don’t believe bush is totally to blame for this but it has happened. I guess you could say he was a victim of circumstances.



Now it is 2004 and there is a new man running against our current president. A man who “has served” this country in a war and did it with pride because he felt it was his duty to do it with pride. I don’t mean to knock Bush at all but while Bush was trying to run companies Kerry was fighting a war on the front lines and then speaking up about how he felt about the war when the world knew the war should stop. Medals my ass who cares if the man was making coffee for the people on the front line…HE WAS AT LEAST THERE! He may flip flop a little and this has been proven to be a fact but then again most politicians do.



The only thing I hear about Bush is war war and war. “As if” Kerry or any other man serving as president would have sat there on their ass and done nothing. No matter what we would have sought resolve.



This world is bigger then the USA and we all need to know that. I am not saying that every place in the world loved us before this crap but it was not this bad. I commend Bush in a lot of ways for “pulling the trigger” but what president wouldn’t have sought resolve for what happened. Now is now and then is then. If you feel it comes down to the lesser of two evils then so be it. I want a little integrity back in this country that my father and ancestors have fought for! If that means voting for a man that flip flops a little but will have a clean slate then so be it. Character is important here and I think people are missing that!

[chiznaz]

A lot of people in my town, I'm sure ^ he can agree, are simply voting for Bush because he's from Texas. I don't mind at all that people are voting for Bush, I just wish more of them had personal reasons to vote for him. I try and have a simple conversation with people about Bush or Kerry and it always gets back to, "Well Bush is a Texan so I'm voting for him. Oh and also he drinks beer and so do I." That is what drives me crazy.
well i'll be the third Aggie to post in here. I'm voting for Bush because I agree with the majority of his issues, and I think he's a better person than Kerry to lead our country right now.


on a side note. I was over on West Campus the other day and saw a guy with some Kerry shirt on. I figured there was a good chance it was you because there's only like 5 Kerry supporters in College Station ;)

[clemson357]

I am voting for Bush because I am pro-second amendment, and because i support the war on terror.

And to whoever said it: I don't believe voting for a person based on one issue is idiotic if that is the most important issue to you.

[thing4377]

A message from the thread starter....

Bush war…war Bush



I started this thread but it is hard for me to hold my tongue. I could bash Bush for hours and I could even bash Kerry for hours even though I am voting for him. I wanted bush to win in 2000 to tell you the truth. He was a symbol of strength and I felt that we needed that. Well something went wrong point blank! Most of the world doesn’t respect the USA or Bush and this is a major problem. I don’t believe bush is totally to blame for this but it has happened. I guess you could say he was a victim of circumstances.



Now it is 2004 and there is a new man running against our current president. A man who “has served” this country in a war and did it with pride because he felt it was his duty to do it with pride. I don’t mean to knock Bush at all but while Bush was trying to run companies Kerry was fighting a war on the front lines and then speaking up about how he felt about the war when the world knew the war should stop. Medals my ass who cares if the man was making coffee for the people on the front line…HE WAS AT LEAST THERE! He may flip flop a little and this has been proven to be a fact but then again most politicians do.



The only thing I hear about Bush is war war and war. “As if” Kerry or any other man serving as president would have sat there on their ass and done nothing. No matter what we would have sought resolve.



This world is bigger then the USA and we all need to know that. I am not saying that every place in the world loved us before this crap but it was not this bad. I commend Bush in a lot of ways for “pulling the trigger” but what president wouldn’t have sought resolve for what happened. Now is now and then is then. If you feel it comes down to the lesser of two evils then so be it. I want a little integrity back in this country that my father and ancestors have fought for! If that means voting for a man that flip flops a little but will have a clean slate then so be it. Character is important here and I think people are missing that!
:thumbsup :thumbsup Is there a limit on the number of thumbs up one person can give another???? I hope not..Very well stated my fellow AMERICAN!!!:multi And just in case there weren't enough....:thumbsup :thumbsup Guess what? there is a limit!!:lol

[clemson357]

A message from the thread starter....

Character is important here and I think people are missing that!

I don't think a man who missed 76% of the intelligence committee meetings has much character, especially when he wants to "immediately reform the intelligence system"

[cyberhound]

A message from the thread starter....

Bush war…war Bush



I started this thread but it is hard for me to hold my tongue. I could bash Bush for hours and I could even bash Kerry for hours even though I am voting for him. I wanted bush to win in 2000 to tell you the truth. He was a symbol of strength and I felt that we needed that. Well something went wrong point blank! Most of the world doesn’t respect the USA or Bush and this is a major problem. I don’t believe bush is totally to blame for this but it has happened. I guess you could say he was a victim of circumstances.



Now it is 2004 and there is a new man running against our current president. A man who “has served” this country in a war and did it with pride because he felt it was his duty to do it with pride. I don’t mean to knock Bush at all but while Bush was trying to run companies Kerry was fighting a war on the front lines and then speaking up about how he felt about the war when the world knew the war should stop. Medals my ass who cares if the man was making coffee for the people on the front line…HE WAS AT LEAST THERE! He may flip flop a little and this has been proven to be a fact but then again most politicians do.



The only thing I hear about Bush is war war and war. “As if” Kerry or any other man serving as president would have sat there on their ass and done nothing. No matter what we would have sought resolve.



This world is bigger then the USA and we all need to know that. I am not saying that every place in the world loved us before this crap but it was not this bad. I commend Bush in a lot of ways for “pulling the trigger” but what president wouldn’t have sought resolve for what happened. Now is now and then is then. If you feel it comes down to the lesser of two evils then so be it. I want a little integrity back in this country that my father and ancestors have fought for! If that means voting for a man that flip flops a little but will have a clean slate then so be it. Character is important here and I think people are missing that!
The lesser of two evils is still evil. If character were important, you wouldn't step into the voting booth and vote for Kerry. Those who lack the moral convictions to not commit atrocities do not serve their country with pride. Nor do they show the lack of foresight he had in approaching his anti-war stance. He put lives at risk by his actions after the war. Why? Who knows. It could have been his conscience, or it could have been he wanted to begin a political career. He seems to have a convenient concscience like that. At least he was there? Given what he admitted to doing, we didn't need him there. Doubtful your father and ancestors fought to have a country where you replace one evil with his faint echo. You are correct, charcter is important. You won't find it with Bush, and you damn sure won't find it with Kerry. You do have other choices. Or you can be pragmatic and not "waste" your vote. Of course, the pragmatic approach has given us the politicians in Washington we have today. Their pragmatic approach mirrors the voters. Your state has given you the right to vote (there is no right to vote for president in the constitution mind you), so go ahead, pick the lesser of two evils. Whatever makes you feel better.

[sliver108]

:thumbsup :thumbsup Is there a limit on the number of thumbs up one person can give another???? I hope not..Very well stated my fellow AMERICAN!!!:multi And just in case there weren't enough....:thumbsup :thumbsup Guess what? there is a limit!!:lol
Thank you

[DollyLlama]

The lesser of two evils is still evil. If character were important, you wouldn't step into the voting booth and vote for Kerry.

The reason for voting for John Kerry is very simple. George Bush needs to be voted out of office to send the message that what he's done for the last 3 years is not OK. Unfortunately, it really doesn't matter this time around if the alternative is John Kerry, Howard Dean, Abraham Lincoln, or Kermit the Frog. Whoever it is will know that they must do better, or they too will be held accountable four years from now. People like to say that an election with an incumbent involved is always a referendum on the incumbent. This election is far more. It's an indictment of America. If we as a people are not willing to show George Bush the door, we are saying that what he has done throughout the world is OK. And if that's the case, then quite frankly, we deserve the hatred that is and will be directed towards us.

[cyberhound]

The reason for voting for John Kerry is very simple. George Bush needs to be voted out of office to send the message that what he's done for the last 3 years is not OK. Unfortunately, it really doesn't matter this time around if the alternative is John Kerry, Howard Dean, Abraham Lincoln, or Kermit the Frog. Whoever it is will know that they must do better, or they too will be held accountable four years from now. People like to say that an election with an incumbent involved is always a referendum on the incumbent. This election is far more. It's an indictment of America. If we as a people are not willing to show George Bush the door, we are saying that what he has done throughout the world is OK. And if that's the case, then quite frankly, we deserve the hatred that is and will be directed towards us.
You say that, yet Kerry voted for this war. Instead of taking this to the people and then putting to a vote in Congress, he took the easy way out and joined his fellow Senators and Congressmen in shirking his constitutional duty and gave Bush the authority to go to war on his terms. Kerry is just as much to blame as Bush is for this war. Now, after he does all that, he has the nerve to say he'd do the same thing, only he'd do it better. Yeah right. You can keep selling it, but I'm not buying.

[sliver108]

I don't think a man who missed 76% of the intelligence committee meetings has much character, especially when he wants to "immediately reform the intelligence system"
Good point and also a totally unarguable fact. I have been accidentally thrown into a lot of political things in the last 3 years and I can tell you this. Most politicians don’t vote for what they say they are going to vote for or attend a “good” amount of meetings. I am not dodging the rebuttal to your statement…I know you are right. We as Americans need to keep more track of these people we stick in office and we don’t. We basically need a compliancy board for them. Just an FYI though…Kerry isn’t against guns in general just assault type riffles. I am for guns but I do believe there should be some restrictions.

[DollyLlama]

You say that, yet Kerry voted for this war. Instead of taking this to the people and then putting to a vote in Congress, he took the easy way out and joined his fellow Senators and Congressmen in shirking his constitutional duty and gave Bush the authority to go to war on his terms. Kerry is just as much to blame as Bush is for this war. Now, after he does all that, he has the nerve to say he'd do the same thing, only he'd do it better. Yeah right. You can keep selling it, but I'm not buying.

You're absolutely right, but you missed the point. This time around, it does not matter what John Kerry has done. He is not George Bush. I wish there was a viable third option, because I do think John Kerry is a douche bag, but by sending the message that what has happened this last three years is not OK, John Kerry and any other future presidents for the next several years will know that if they go the same route, they will get voted out of office in four years. I know that most people want more of a reason than that, but this really should not be that difficult. It's simply a decision on whether the reckless, screw the rest of the world policy we've exercised really since World War II is OK. I'm embarrassed if we say it's OK.

[sliver108]

The lesser of two evils is still evil. If character were important, you wouldn't step into the voting booth and vote for Kerry. Those who lack the moral convictions to not commit atrocities do not serve their country with pride. Nor do they show the lack of foresight he had in approaching his anti-war stance. He put lives at risk by his actions after the war. Why? Who knows. It could have been his conscience, or it could have been he wanted to begin a political career. He seems to have a convenient concscience like that. At least he was there? Given what he admitted to doing, we didn't need him there. Doubtful your father and ancestors fought to have a country where you replace one evil with his faint echo. You are correct, charcter is important. You won't find it with Bush, and you damn sure won't find it with Kerry. You do have other choices. Or you can be pragmatic and not "waste" your vote. Of course, the pragmatic approach has given us the politicians in Washington we have today. Their pragmatic approach mirrors the voters. Your state has given you the right to vote (there is no right to vote for president in the constitution mind you), so go ahead, pick the lesser of two evils. Whatever makes you feel better.

I think that you misunderstood me. I said “if you feel it comes down to the lesser of two evils”. I don’t believe that is the case though. Bush is not perfect and neither is Kerry but you already know that cyber. You have stated mostly facts and I respect you for it. It all comes down to each person and their value system and beliefs. My value system and beliefs tell me that Kerry would make a better president. My value system tells me that shit just isn’t kosher with the Bush administration. My value system tells me that there is huge conflict of interest in the Middle East and that I strongly believe it is money motivated. There is just way to many coincidences going on. With that being said I just want to say one last thing. I may be looking past some things with Kerry and I am sure I am. But I don’t like feeling like me or my country is being sold like a whore. That isn’t a fact but a lot of things point in that direction.



Truth worth thinking about - http://www.bushin30seconds.org/150/view.html?ad_id=2073

[sliver108]

The reason for voting for John Kerry is very simple. George Bush needs to be voted out of office to send the message that what he's done for the last 3 years is not OK. Unfortunately, it really doesn't matter this time around if the alternative is John Kerry, Howard Dean, Abraham Lincoln, or Kermit the Frog. Whoever it is will know that they must do better, or they too will be held accountable four years from now. People like to say that an election with an incumbent involved is always a referendum on the incumbent. This election is far more. It's an indictment of America. If we as a people are not willing to show George Bush the door, we are saying that what he has done throughout the world is OK. And if that's the case, then quite frankly, we deserve the hatred that is and will be directed towards us.
A F&*%ING MEN :multi

[AggieDMBFan06]

well i'll be the third Aggie to post in here. I'm voting for Bush because I agree with the majority of his issues, and I think he's a better person than Kerry to lead our country right now.


on a side note. I was over on West Campus the other day and saw a guy with some Kerry shirt on. I figured there was a good chance it was you because there's only like 5 Kerry supporters in College Station ;)
Whoop!!! HEHEHE...i am voting for GWB for exactly the same reason my fellow aggie chiznaz is. I rather we take the fight to them rather than we wait like kerry most likely would love too. I have not met any single person that ive talked politics with that say they're voting for GWB because he's a texan.

On the comment about "he drinks beer and so do i, im voting for him" have you ever thought they really meant it like "Hey i relate to that person, he's kind of like me, i think ill vote for him" you have to go beyond the comment itself. Read between the lines bub.

On another note chiznaz west campus sucks! Well except WCL all the fine honies roll up in that place. Holler for the Bush School...Whoop!!

[MistreatedLewis]

You say that, yet Kerry voted for this war. Instead of taking this to the people and then putting to a vote in Congress, he took the easy way out and joined his fellow Senators and Congressmen in shirking his constitutional duty and gave Bush the authority to go to war on his terms. Kerry is just as much to blame as Bush is for this war. Now, after he does all that, he has the nerve to say he'd do the same thing, only he'd do it better. Yeah right. You can keep selling it, but I'm not buying.


That's a valid opinion. I respectfully disagree. I don't believe Kerry would have seriously taken this country to war with Iraq. I believe he was playing the politics game. Is this right? No. It isn't. But he's trying to win an election and much of this country still believes that we should have gone to war with Iraq. But when I look at the over-reaching themes of his campaign and political history (as well as that of his political party in the present), I have a lot more in common with Kerry than I do with Bush. And that is who I am voting for.

[marco j]

i think if Iraq was proven to have WMD's i wouldn't have supported this war.

i think everyone needs to take a step back and ask why are we so afraid???

does everyone here truly believe if you give North Korea or Iraq or Iran nuclear capabilities they will attack us????

i don't believe it but maybe that's why we should worry about defense as opposed to invasion. a proffessor from princeton (can't remember his name) on NPR said that before we invaded Iraq the US looked much stronger and our threats were working more against Iran and Iraq. but now that we have shown that with the limited amount
of troops on the ground we cannot support an invasion of another country like Iran.
most of the country of Iraq is out of control and it is getting worse by the day. there is a good chance that by the begining of the new year we may loose control of baghdad!!!

[eric_dmbfan03]

on a side note. I was over on West Campus the other day and saw a guy with some Kerry shirt on. I figured there was a good chance it was you because there's only like 5 Kerry supporters in College Station ;)
:lol Yeah and I probably know the other four. But it wasn't me, I don't own a shirt. How's A&M so far for you?

[gloco]

Some will argue, and they might have a point, that if Clinton wasn't so pre-occupied with interns and the scandals that came with them, that he might have spent more serious time on national security and things like dealing with Al-Queda. And for the record, Clinton said Iraq had WMD's during his term, he even went so far as to begin soliciting authority from congress to invade if necessary. So, it looks like he lied about more than his dick.

Heh, by that account, Jews can argue that America is to blame for the death of six million Jews due to the inaction on our part until the bombing of Pearl Harbor.

[cyberhound]

Heh, by that account, Jews can argue that America is to blame for the death of six million Jews due to the inaction on our part until the bombing of Pearl Harbor.
Yeah, so?

[chiznaz]

:lol Yeah and I probably know the other four. But it wasn't me, I don't own a shirt. How's A&M so far for you?
the coolest place for me:D

it's nice to get out of a big place like san antonio..... and im taken a very easy class schedule. what's your major here?

[eric_dmbfan03]

That's great man! I was going to do journalism, but that kinda went down the crapper. So I'm thinking education at this point because my job right now is working with kids and I like it a lot. So we'll see how that goes. I wish I could go to the Clemson game on Saturday but I'm going to be in Austin for the ACL Festival.

[jrock5730]

The main reason I will not vote for Bush: http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/09/16/us.iraq.ap/index.html

This should not have happened, and it did. I wonder how long until he ruins us all.

[AggieDMBFan06]

Beat The Everlivin' Everloving Compound Complex Class Of 2006 Hell Out Of Clemson Ag's. Whoop!

Put That In Your Marijuana Pipe And Smoke It

[nubby]

Yeah, so?
Well it's not true. The people to blame are the people whom commited the crimes.

[davehead34]

Wow, I really joined this thread later than I would have wanted, but here goes nothing.

I am not voting for Bush.

I am an active duty Marine stationed at Marine Corps Air Station Miramar in San Diego California. I have several very close friends over there in various branches of the armed services and one of them has already died. I was supportive of the war on Iraq in the beginning. A lot has changed since then.

I wanted to have faith in my President. If they really did have WMDs, then we probably should do something about that. Too many people have already died as a result of Sadaam's actions. I had preferred that we just step up pressure on the UN to disarm Iraq, but Bush didn't go that route and had some strong support, so I sided with him.

Now I know what the UN basically told us "No, we don't want you to go into Iraq on those grounds." There are no WMDs and there never were any WMDs, save for one dud bomb that we actually sold them several years ago. Unbelievable.

Look at the mess we have in Iraq right now. It's terrible. I would be lying if I said that living conditions are better there. The quality of life in Iraq is significantly lower than it was say two years ago. Before, they had Sadaam to worry about. Now they have terrorists flocking to their country. Additionally, they now have to worry about casualties we cause on the civilian sector over there, which is beginning to add up.

Bush has no clear and convincing plan dictating that Iraq will be better off within the next 4 years if he takes office. I believe he is either a moron or arrogant for believing that sending more troops over there is the best action. In August, Camp Pendleton deployed the most Marines in a single deployment in Marine Corps history. That's since 1775 ladies and Gentlemen. Over 40,000 Marines went over there. We are supposed to be in a trasition period right now with that county's appointed leaders and react to this by stepping up deployments? Wrong answer, Bush.

I could go on for probably another 5 paragraphs, but I have to leave work soon, and I'm not staying late for ANY reason, so I'm going to have to wrap it up soon, but not before I touch upon the economy.

So what is up with the economy? Not good from what I've been seeing. Bush's tax cut that got passed ended up with a negative effect on the economy. Bummer. Sorry, but supply-side economics just aren't what they once were. This isn't the late 80s and Bush sure as hell isn't the President Regan was. Good luck passing that off.

The budget. I mean really. How much more money is this war going to cost? One of the biggest realistic problems with the war is that we're running out of money. Calling up Reservists is VERY expensive. I mean VERY. I know because I'm in the military. Believe me. I know. The fact that we don't even have a set time frame for this war makes it difficult to budget money for it. So what does Bush do? He throws trillions into the effort. Has anyone else noticed significant progress in Iraq since we've approved several hundred-plus-trillion expenditures? I haven't. Interesting. America is officially more in debt to the world, monetarily speaking, than it has ever been.

Social Security. I'm 20 years old, folks. From what I've researched, SS WILL be sucked clean about 20 or so years before I even qualify. That's unsettling. I haven't even heard Bush speak of putting away money for SS this election, which strikes me as odd considering Gore made such a huge deal about it last election (Remember the "lockbox?").

Then there are the moral issues. I am very much a free thinker. I just don't believe in many of the moral issues Bush sides with. Well, it's about 4:30 and work is over, so I'm outta here! Please feel free to email me if you want to discus political views (or anything on DMB!).

Take it easy guys. Have a nice day.

Peace

Chase

FullerCW@Miramar.usmc.mil

[DreemingTree]

wowthatislong....... :thumbsup :p

[Ben F.]

I am voting for Bush.

He started his job [rebuilding iraq]. I think he's the man to finish it. I'd hate to think all those soldiers went over there, busted their asses, only to get pulled out half way through- then it would all be for absolutely nothing. Let Bush finish what he started.

and don't bother slamming me or asking further questions- i've made my decision- and it's doubtful i will return to this thread anyway.

[DreemingTree]

yeah tom cruise looks pretty hot in that movie, i can see how men cant resist him ;)

[sliver108]

I have several very close friends over there in various branches of the armed services and one of them has already died.
My heart goes out to you and your friends loved ones.

Jeff

[DollyLlama]

I'm honestly surprised that a whole lot more members of the military aren't voicing opinions similar to these. After all, they're on the ground over there. They should know better than to believe Bush's spin. So, who aren't there more? No offense, but are most of you just brainwashed to the point that you believe anything your commanding officers tell you? Or is it that you feel like you should just not say anything and do what you signed up to do? I always assumed that there was an unwritten contract that you do anything your commanders order you to do, without question, but the other side of that is that you have to be able to have faith that your commanders' orders are above question. If one side of that breaks down, suffice it to say that would be really bad for the military.

[eric_dmbfan03]

davehead34 that was a great post. A few of my friends dads or uncles got shipped off over there as a part of the national guard. They hate every minute of it.

[slitz]

.personally, I think 9-11 was an attack on Bush NOT on America.


do you know anything about the 9-11 attack or islamic extremism? apparently not.


I really hope you arent this ignorant

[mwjorgens]

do you know anything about the 9-11 attack or islamic extremism? apparently not.


I really hope you arent this ignorant
i guess you dont either, cause if you are islamic that doesnt mean you support those acts. in fact almost no one does, just a tiny minute fraction of islam does. but the american idea planted by bush, says that anyone who is islamic supports the work on 911.

[mwjorgens]

I am voting for Bush.

He started his job [rebuilding iraq]. I think he's the man to finish it. I'd hate to think all those soldiers went over there, busted their asses, only to get pulled out half way through- then it would all be for absolutely nothing. Let Bush finish what he started.

and don't bother slamming me or asking further questions- i've made my decision- and it's doubtful i will return to this thread anyway.
a great decision maker. a true leader! you can make a decision whether it is wrong, irrational or against any human logic. but you made that decision. that IS what our country needs. bush in '04!!!!!

[chiznaz]

On another note chiznaz west campus sucks! Well except WCL all the fine honies roll up in that place. Holler for the Bush School...Whoop!!
it's easy to get to and all the bus routes pretty much stop there:) The thing that sucks balls is all the friggin lovebugs flying around. I had them plastered on my car after driving on 21 from san antonio to CS.

That's great man! I was going to do journalism, but that kinda went down the crapper. So I'm thinking education at this point because my job right now is working with kids and I like it a lot. So we'll see how that goes. I wish I could go to the Clemson game on Saturday but I'm going to be in Austin for the ACL Festival.
ACL Festival is def. going to be awesome..... as will the Clemson game. I really wish I was going to Austin for it.

Saw some RV's parked at the baseball field already today :freak It's late and I got class in the morning..... I should be in bed.

















oh yeah..... Go Bush!

[DollyLlama]

Alright, I know this a political thread, but I need to hijack it to talk about something far more serious. Football. Aggie football, to be specific. I went to Texas Tech, but I acknowledge that the place is kinda lame. And, I've always supported the other teams in the state. Well, other than Baylor. Kinda beyond hope. I was always happy to see UT do well, and wanted to see aTm do well. One year I'd root for the Ags against the teasips, and another year I'd root for the Horns against the kiddies of the kiddie corps. I hoped and KNEW that aTm would win the year the bonfire collapsed.

But, after seeing the character Texas A&M showed in how they treated RC Slocum and the guy they hired, I can no longer support them. We're talking about a school in Texas A&M whose boosters were registering domain names along the lines of "aggiecoachfran.com" before the season was done. How can you Ags tolerate treating your all time winning coach, and the guy who managed to keep you all afloat after the mess Jackie Sherill left, this way? Then there's the fact you hired Coach Franchione. This is the same guy who a year before, when Alabama was put on probation, gave his players a "don't quit on the Tide, tow the line" speech when they could have transferred and salvages their college football careers. Then, decides to stab those kids in the back the next year and bolt to College Station (http://espn.go.com/ncf/columns/maisel_ivan/1472033.html). He didn't even have the decency and guts to address them face to face. He sends an assistant to do so.

So, is this really who you guys are? You think it's OK to stab a loyal Aggie in the back and hire a weasel with no loyalities to anything but himself? I always thought of Aggies as good people. A little strange, a little cultish, sure. But good people. Now, I want you guys to lose to Clemson, and I want you to lose every other game this year. It would be the football gods smiting you for what you did. Then, I want to see Franchione canned, and see some lesser name come in and turn you guys into champions. That would be a great story.

OK...you can have your thread back.

[slitz]

i guess you dont either, cause if you are islamic that doesnt mean you support those acts. in fact almost no one does, just a tiny minute fraction of islam does. but the american idea planted by bush, says that anyone who is islamic supports the work on 911.


try reading what i said. did I say "islamic"? no, I said islamic extremist. there is a big difference.

[mfogel2002]

hope you didn't vote for Clinton either.

There is no comparison between a man lying about get a BJ in the Oval Office and a lie that gets Americans killed.

[Davenumber40]

Is there a reason that more than half of the posts in a 'Why are you voting for BUsh thread' are anti-Bush? Maybe it wouldn't hurt anyone just to read some opinions of people who are going to vote for him without spewing the same agruments we've heard against him over, and over, and over.

[marco j]

a great decision maker. a true leader! you can make a decision whether it is wrong, irrational or against any human logic. but you made that decision. that IS what our country needs. bush in '04!!!!!



:lol OH MY GOD this is why america is in the shitter! fucking idiots like you.

yeah let's make irrational decisions contrary to what the majority of the WORLD thinks is the best course for action and stick with it! yep and even after a couple of years and THOUSANDS DEAD when proven over and over again that said country wasn't involved in 9/11 or with the people who planned it , stick to your guns and not apologise . :rolleyes: the lack of intelligence is appalling.

[Daevian]

:lol OH MY GOD this is why america is in the shitter! fucking idiots like you.

yeah let's make irrational decisions contrary to what the majority of the WORLD thinks is the best course for action and stick with it! yep and even after a couple of years and THOUSANDS DEAD when proven over and over again that said country wasn't involved in 9/11 or with the people who planned it , stick to your guns and not apologise . :rolleyes: the lack of intelligence is appalling.
Ummm.....I believe his post was a response to the quote he quoted. And I'm pretty sure it was sarcastic....

[saygoodbye12]

The ATTACK was an issue...but TERRORISM as a more abstract concept was not. There's a difference.

I'm so tired of people saying we're fighting for our freedom....that's crap. Our freedom has never been in question. Whether 9-11 happened or not, or whether we are in Iraq or not, we're no more or less "free." It's not like we're fighting for our sovereignty or independence...don't over-glorify this war by saying that we're fighting for our freedom. My freedom hasn't and wont change despite this war I'd say more than 3,000 people's freedom changed on 9/11, wouldn't you?

As far as 9/11 being an attack on Bush and not America...It must mean one of the following:

Bin Laden and his crew planned 9/11 in less than 9 months.

Bin Laden planned 9/11 IN CASE Bush became president, but if Gore won, he would have thrown all the money he spent on planning the attack away, and begin to love America.

So which is it?

And just out of curiosity, the 1993 bombing of the WTC, the bombings of the USS Cole and the African Embassy...were those attacks on Bush too?

[marco j]

Ummm.....I believe his post was a response to the quote he quoted. And I'm pretty sure it was sarcastic....


i don't think so given he had bush 04! at the end. but if it is i retract the idiot comment. but i stand by the rest of my post.....even if proved otherwise! ;)

[saygoodbye12]

i don't think so given he had bush 04! at the end. but if it is i retract the idiot comment. but i stand by the rest of my post.....even if proved otherwise! ;)

yeah, your sarcasm meter was totally off on that one.

[broberts7992]

if you don't, may find yourself forced into islam in a few years. its simple, live like muslims or live like americans........take your pick

[mwjorgens]

I'd say more than 3,000 people's freedom changed on 9/11, wouldn't you?

As far as 9/11 being an attack on Bush and not America...It must mean one of the following:

Bin Laden and his crew planned 9/11 in less than 9 months.

Bin Laden planned 9/11 IN CASE Bush became president, but if Gore won, he would have thrown all the money he spent on planning the attack away, and begin to love America.

So which is it?

And just out of curiosity, the 1993 bombing of the WTC, the bombings of the USS Cole and the African Embassy...were those attacks on Bush too?
anyone who says that they were attacks on bush is sorely mistaken. but i would say that any attacks or any attempts after 9/11 would be soley and fully aimed at bush. cant really argue that.

[saygoodbye12]

anyone who says that they were attacks on bush is sorely mistaken. but i would say that any attacks or any attempts after 9/11 would be soley and fully aimed at bush. cant really argue that. So they attacked us in 1993, 1996, 1998, 2001 and a whole bunch in between, but if they attacked us in 2004 it would be SOLEY and FULLY aimed at Bush?

How does that make any sense?

[dobyblue]

if you don't, may find yourself forced into islam in a few years. its simple, live like muslims or live like americans........take your pick
What about the Muslims living in America?

[broberts7992]

do you honestly think muslims in america are concerned about other ethnic or religous groups? you must understand they have no compassion for man kind. they have one clear objective, and that is to destroy western life as we have known it and create a state of islam throughout the world. take a look at this real player video,,its about 2 minutes long, and if this should be a good insight to their hate for the west...

www.brotherhoodofthelamb.com/muslimimamhatespeech.rm

[Route_2]

They just want Western infleunce out of their region. At least that is what bin Laden wants as stated in his Fatwa from 1998. Mostly Israelis and all Western military installations.

[broberts7992]

watch the video,,,,,,,but i do agree we should leave them and not look back with the exception of iraq

[erbewoods]

Not that I'm all support for the war but, the US and the coalitions really dropped the ball by misleading and then not supporting the Shi'ites at the end of the Gulf War. The mass gravesites in Iraq are filled with Shi'ites killed execution style at the hand of Hussein. I'm not really sure that genocide is the sort of thing you can ignore; which isn't to say that the war in Iraq is being fought for humanitarian reasons, but good can come from acts that might not be considered ethical. I mean a huge portion of ethics is the battle between say Mill and Kant; whether or not the intentions affect the value of the act. Perhaps in 13 years we'll do something about Sudan.

[mwjorgens]

Not that I'm all support for the war but, the US and the coalitions really dropped the ball by misleading and then not supporting the Shi'ites at the end of the Gulf War. The mass gravesites in Iraq are filled with Shi'ites killed execution style at the hand of Hussein. I'm not really sure that genocide is the sort of thing you can ignore; which isn't to say that the war in Iraq is being fought for humanitarian reasons, but good can come from acts that might not be considered ethical. I mean a huge portion of ethics is the battle between say Mill and Kant; whether or not the intentions affect the value of the act. Perhaps in 13 years we'll do something about Sudan.
i think libya will be our next target, whether there are bad things going on or not. we will create the bad things just so we can have an excuse to go there. libya has got what we want, its just a matter of time

[tdowe99]

Libya, eh? What about Syria?

[marco j]

Iran is the big cookie!

[jrczj]

Bush because: http://home.alltel.net/petronski/kerrybunny.jpg

[AggieDMBFan06]

Because I Can!!!!

[MoBb]

Sadly, I think alot of Americans think Europeans hate USA, something that couldn`t be further from the truth. In Norway 65 % would vote for Kerry, 41% for Bush in a poll i just saw. But I do think you get different view of USA if you`re here in Europe, because frankly, I think we see alot of things you guys don`t when it comes to coverage of the Iraq war and such. Norway has always had a great relationship with USA, but sadly it has been a bit weakened after the invasion of Iraq, especially since we have troops down there too. Even though I have NO saying in this whatsoever I really hope Kerry wins this one (even though things do look kind of dark right now) so international relationships can be rebuilt, not just with Norway, but with every country a political relationship have been broken or weakened.

"Weapons for tools cannot build peace"

[chellek23]

:ugh: 65% to 41%? That's 106%!! I'm guessing you reversed a number there... like maybe 56% instead... Whatever the number is I do find that quite interesting considering that I have always thought of Europe as much more 'liberal' than the US. It shows that there isn't as much 'hate' and disagreement with Bush as the media and many Dems/libs would like us all to believe (at least in Norway). I would be very interested to read some similiar polls of other European countries.

[MoBb]

if you don't, may find yourself forced into islam in a few years. its simple, live like muslims or live like americans........take your pick

You must be retarded.......:thumbsup

[MoBb]

:ugh: 65% to 41%? That's 106%!! I'm guessing you reversed a number there... like maybe 56% instead... Whatever the number is I do find that quite interesting considering that I have always thought of Europe as much more 'liberal' than the US. It shows that there isn't as much 'hate' and disagreement with Bush as the media and many Dems/libs would like us all to believe (at least in Norway). I would be very interested to read some similiar polls of other European countries.

Yeah I`m sorry about that :) (56%)
Norway and all Scandinavian countries are pretty liberal. Norway has a 21 year MAX sentence in jail, which, compared to USA is pretty liberal I guess hehe. The "hate for America" lies in alot of young, liberal people around Europe. But the hate is "just" targeted Bush jr and this cabinet of (psychos?) politicians, and not the American people. But a re-election of George Bush I think would be a stinker to the rest of the world, or so it may seem.

I guess you can find polls on a BBC page or something..

[LeviJ]

I agree. The general world opinion is that Bush sucks and he swiped the office of presidency. America is still reasonably cool, just not the morons that are driving.

So now in November, Americans have a chance to redeem the country and vote George Bush out of office. However, if that doesn't happen, it's fair to assume that the rest of the planet will be pissed with America as a whole. It would be in the best interests of everyone in the world to get Bush out of power, and American citizens are the only ones that are in a position to do that, and if we fail, we're just as ass-backwards and dumber than shit as Bush is.

[chellek23]

Well... According to these poll numbers the 'great hate' for Bush seems to be quite exaggerated. These numbers are similar to what you might find in a liberal state like New York or perhaps California. The media reports and others act like the entire world is against us to push their own agenda. One would gather that all of Europe wants Bush out hence you would get poll numbers running 70-90% for Kerry.

And LeviJ... I can't believe I'm even responding to this but your comments are just asinine. You are assuming a lot about what people in 'the world' think. Have any good evidence to back up the idea that they all think "Bush stole the election and hate him"? I seriously doubt it. And since when do we as Americans let other countries dictate whom we should vote in as President. I am voting for the person that I think has America's best interest at heart not who would be best for Europe or any other country.

[pedelen99]

The lesser of two evils is still evil. If character were important, you wouldn't step into the voting booth and vote for Kerry. Those who lack the moral convictions to not commit atrocities do not serve their country with pride. Nor do they show the lack of foresight he had in approaching his anti-war stance. He put lives at risk by his actions after the war. Why? Who knows. It could have been his conscience, or it could have been he wanted to begin a political career. He seems to have a convenient concscience like that. At least he was there? Given what he admitted to doing, we didn't need him there...

This is a serious misstatement of Kerry's post war stance. Kerry basically said two things in his testimony before the Senate - 1) military procedures like designating free-fire zones constituted atrocities and all soldiers over there were required to follow those procedures, and 2) he listed a number of individual atrocoties that other vets had told him about. All of these have been documented to have actually occurred.

The "moral convictions to not commit atrocities" would have involved disobeying a direct order in combat. All of Kerry's criticisms in this regard were leveled at the military leadership.

And as far as putting lives at risk by his actions after the war... there's no evidence of that at all. A more reasonable arguement could be made that the anti-war movement saved lives by getting us out earlier, but the idea that dissention endangers our troops is absurd - back then and today.

- Phil

[LeviJ]

And LeviJ... I can't believe I'm even responding to this but your comments are just asinine. You are assuming a lot about what people in 'the world' think. Have any good evidence to back up the idea that they all think "Bush stole the election and hate him"? I seriously doubt it. And since when do we as Americans let other countries dictate whom we should vote in as President. I am voting for the person that I think has America's best interest at heart not who would be best for Europe or any other country.

Bush pisses everyone off. The first thing he did in office was pull out of the Kyoto plan, everyone was mad about that. Everyone is mad about what we did in Iraq, since nobody really went there with us. Even England is reducing its already tiny troop contribution to the "coalition." And I know that "my friend says" stuff isn't really solid evidence, but I go to a lot of political boards, and I'm yet to find a European or anyone else from outside the US show support for George Bush. My girlfriend is going to college over in Belgium right now, and she tells me the atmosphere around the university is Pro-American, anti-Bush.


And you're a good example of what's wrong with this country. Americans aren't the only people on the planet, you know. You and the majority of the country need to realize America is part of a community. Why is the global opinion of us to be ignored? Everyone is affected by what America does, so why not listen to the voices of other countries? They can teach us a lot about our actions, simply because they've got a different perspective. You say you're voting for America's best interests, and I think I know who you mean by that, but isn't it in America's best interests to have good relationships with its neighbors? Your nationalistic attitude is pervasive in this country and its time it was replaced with a more cooperative, international one.

[jrock5730]

Another reason NOT to vote for bush....

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS...y.ap/index.html


Did he just write off N. Korea altogether, or is he just not worried about it at all? Bush will fight people who are trying to make nuclear weapons, but he lets countries who say the have them, and say they are making them go about their merry way(http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/...us-nkorea_x.htm). Nice job Bush.

I am no republican by the way, just wanted to point this out.

[tdowe99]

Americans aren't the only people on the planet, you know. You and the majority of the country need to realize America is part of a community.

:thumbsup The arrogance of some people with the attitude of "We kick ass, and fuck the rest of the world." astounds me sometimes. America won't always be the #1 country in the world, and if we piss off every other country, they won't be too kind in return.

[chellek23]

Bush pisses everyone off. The first thing he did in office was pull out of the Kyoto plan, everyone was mad about that. Everyone is mad about what we did in Iraq, since nobody really went there with us. Even England is reducing its already tiny troop contribution to the "coalition." And I know that "my friend says" stuff isn't really solid evidence, but I go to a lot of political boards, and I'm yet to find a European or anyone else from outside the US show support for George Bush. My girlfriend is going to college over in Belgium right now, and she tells me the atmosphere around the university is Pro-American, anti-Bush.

And you're a good example of what's wrong with this country. Americans aren't the only people on the planet, you know. You and the majority of the country need to realize America is part of a community. Why is the global opinion of us to be ignored? Everyone is affected by what America does, so why not listen to the voices of other countries? They can teach us a lot about our actions, simply because they've got a different perspective. You say you're voting for America's best interests, and I think I know who you mean by that, but isn't it in America's best interests to have good relationships with its neighbors? Your nationalistic attitude is pervasive in this country and its time it was replaced with a more cooperative, international one.
There you go again making overreaching generalizations... You know you might be a much more effective 'debater' if you would get off your "everyone thinks this" crap because it is simply not true. The whole point of any commentary was that IN FACT this poll in Norway illustrated that everyone does not indeed 'hate' Bush. Approximately 41% of the country would vote for the President if given the chance. That is by hardly 'everyone' as you would like us all to believe. In fact, it is not even that much different from what you might find in certain parts of the United States.

And I'm what's wrong with this country? What the hell do you know about me? Because I happen to think that I should put give more weight to who is best for this country as opposed to what other countries I'm a bad person?? I am certainly WELL AWARE that the United States is part of the international community, but I am not going to have my vote dictated by how people in other countries who mostly certainly have their own set of self-interests. We are after all voting for the President of the UNITED STATES not president of the UN, or Nato, or Europe for that matter.

[LeviJ]

There you go again making overreaching generalizations... You know you might be a much more effective 'debater' if you would get off your "everyone thinks this" crap because it is simply not true. The whole point of any commentary was that IN FACT this poll in Norway illustrated that everyone does not indeed 'hate' Bush. Approximately 41% of the country would vote for the President if given the chance. That is by hardly 'everyone' as you would like us all to believe. In fact, it is not even that much different from what you might find in certain parts of the United States.

And I'm what's wrong with this country? What the hell do you know about me? Because I happen to think that I should put give more weight to who is best for this country as opposed to what other countries I'm a bad person?? I am certainly WELL AWARE that the United States is part of the international community, but I am not going to have my vote dictated by how people in other countries who mostly certainly have their own set of self-interests. We are after all voting for the President of the UNITED STATES not president of the UN, or Nato, or Europe for that matter.

When I say everyone, I mean the majority of people in individual countries. Norway doesn't want Bush. England doesn't want Bush. France and Germany don't want Bush. The most popular concensus among foreign nations is that they want Bush out.

And dude, you're just a little ethnocentric. You say you're aware of our presence in the international community, but you refuse to listen to them? Serving America's own interests to the exclusion of everyone else's is in and of itself not in America's best interests. Doesn't it bother you at all that the all of these people have a problem with Bush? Do you think it's possible they might be on to something? Don't you think it might be at least a good idea to hear what they have to say? Giving the ol' middle finger and shouting a big "Fuck off!" to the rest of the world is what got us into this massive clusterfuck in Iraq, and that's Bush's policy. Bush does what Bush thinks is good for Halibur... er, I mean America. We can only piss off so many people before people decide they've had enough. This is how empires collapse, my friend.

[IL Mikey]

We can only piss off so many people before people decide they've had enough. This is how empires collapse, my friend.
What are they gonna do, invade? :rolleyes:

Seriously, you have to keep in mind that some of these so-called "allies" don't necessarily have our best interests at heart. The French, for example, have been taking contrarian positions to US foreign policy since the 50's, sometimes out of genuine disagreement and sometimes just to try to put us in our place so they can assert their independence and recapture a bit of their lost former glory on the international stage. Taking the view that we need to do what they advise is overly simplistic and in the long run could actually be more harmful than challenging them. Some of them aren't going to like us, no matter what we do.

There are times when pursuing international cooperation is helpful, and there are times when you can't worry about what others think. Placing faith in groups like the UN, perhaps the most bureaucratic, inactive and ineffective multinational organization in history isn't a viable alternative.

[marco j]

What are they gonna do, invade? :rolleyes:

Seriously, you have to keep in mind that some of these so-called "allies" don't necessarily have our best interests at heart. The French, for example, have been taking contrarian positions to US foreign policy since the 50's, sometimes out of genuine disagreement and sometimes just to try to put us in our place so they can assert their independence and recapture a bit of their lost former glory on the international stage. Taking the view that we need to do what they advise is overly simplistic and in the long run could actually be more harmful than challenging them. Some of them aren't going to like us, no matter what we do.

There are times when pursuing international cooperation is helpful, and there are times when you can't worry about what others think. Placing faith in groups like the UN, perhaps the most bureaucratic, inactive and ineffective multinational organization in history isn't a viable alternative.


wrong

if we the United States decide we can do what ever we feel is in our best interest's at any expense. what's to stop any other country from ignoring the UN?!?! oh wait that's what a bunch of country's are doing :rolleyes: .

if we are to set an example of a free society and wow the world with the greatness that is the United States of America , we need to act like it! and for the past three years we haven't . we acted like a man with an agenda.

without a doubt world opinion matters and for anyone o dissagree is a fool.

as you said ...What are they gonna do, invade?

uh do you really think the United States is invincible?!? piss enough people
or the wrong group of people off and we'll find out the hard way. and i'm not even saying this is going to happen anytime soon but there must ALWAYS be
forsight for America's future. people keep saying that's what we are doing and in the process we are alienating ouselves and dissolving long relationships not too well thought out.

[petkylt]

I am going to vote for President Bush because I think he has done a good job during his four years, and think he would continue to do a good job for another four years.

I think the attachment of Bush to the economic situation, for good or ill, is giving him a little too much power. Yes, we were in a recession for the first 6 mo. of 2001, but our economy has been rebounding at a good rate. This is not, however, due entirely or even mostly to Bush's tax cuts (as many dyed-in-the-wool conservatives might argue) Fed Chairman Alan Greenspan and his compatriots have had a much greater impact with their monetary policy. As the economy continues to improve, (and improve it will) George W. Bush's and John Kerry's plans constitute virtually identical outcomes at the end of four years.

As per foreign policy, I think that President Bush has taken on a huge load in Iraq, but I think it is working. He is supporting troops there, and his plan is leading toward an Iraqi election. I think there are many challenges posed by the situation, and that it still won't be resolved by January 2013 if Kerry were elected to two terms in office. It's a fragile process that could go either way at this point. In broader terms, I think Bush NEEDS to revive some relations with our allies. I think John Kerry would cater too heavily to the UN and other unpowerful international organizations. That could, in the long run, cause America to have her hands tied if she really does need to act. BUT, Bush needs to take a step back from his unilateralist positions and include the world.

The crux of my decision lies in what some may disregard as "moral" arguments.

I don't believe that we should get involved in embryonic stem-cell research as heavliy as John Kerry and others think we should. For me, the big issue here is therapy vs. enhancement. If we are using stem-cell research to create new organ after new organ, that seems like unnecessary enhancement to me. However, if we are using the research to further development of theraputic uses (i.e. transplant of infected or defective organs) it should be allowed on a restrictive basis. This issue is extremely fuzzy, and I don't really know everything. But I figured I'd pick a point from which to start and modify from there.

I am also, like most conservatives, pro-life. You've heard all the arguments, so I will spare you.

I also don't believe that homosexual marriage should be allowed. I'm sure I'm going to get flamed for this, but that's okay. I believe that marriage is an institution created for one man and one woman, and that our cultural values would subsequently decline if homosexual marriage were allowed. Again, I expect that most of you will be appalled by my ignorance and narrow-mindedness, but these beliefs come out of my worldview, as your's come out of your worldview.

So, I'm going to vote for President Bush, because he stands for more of the things that I stand for than does John Kerry. I don't necessarily think that Kerry is a terrible flip-flopper, as everyone changes their mind to a certain degree as they become more informed. I think that George W. Bush will do a better job in the next four years, but will not be crying "apocolypse" if Kerry wins. It's going to be an interesting 5 weeks!

[marco j]

you know marriage has been around longer than whatever religeon you are apart of right?!? so there goes your arguement about sanctity. and of course if two people who have nothing to do with your life were allowed to have a union (like most heterosexual marriages) our whole social order would collapse! haha good one gimme a break. go ahead and dislike homo's all you like but stay the fuck out of THEIR BUSINESS.

if you don't have enough info on stem cell research?!? why don't don't you become educated and THEN decide what's right or wrong!

and how's bush going to involve more nations when he already told them to fuck off?!?
i know i'm always eager to help those who treat me like shit.

and how would we have our hands 'tied' behind or back if kerry involves the UN more ????
we could always just invade any other country we want without UN support!

[IL Mikey]

wrong

if we the United States decide we can do what ever we feel is in our best interest's at any expense. what's to stop any other country from ignoring the UN?!?! oh wait that's what a bunch of country's are doing :rolleyes: .

if we are to set an example of a free society and wow the world with the greatness that is the United States of America , we need to act like it! and for the past three years we haven't . we acted like a man with an agenda.

without a doubt world opinion matters and for anyone o dissagree is a fool.

as you said ...What are they gonna do, invade?

uh do you really think the United States is invincible?!? piss enough people
or the wrong group of people off and we'll find out the hard way. and i'm not even saying this is going to happen anytime soon but there must ALWAYS be
forsight for America's future. people keep saying that's what we are doing and in the process we are alienating ouselves and dissolving long relationships not too well thought out.
Uh huh. Call me crazy, but I'm thinking my BA in Poli. Sci. concentrating in foreign policy (40+ hours + honors thesis) and my JD with significant coursework in International Law gives me a little bit of insight on the issue. But if you want to put so much faith in the UN and foreign countries to dictate what's best for us, go right ahead... :rolleyes:

[marco j]

Uh huh. Call me crazy, but I'm thinking my BA in Poli. Sci. concentrating in foreign policy (40+ hours + honors thesis) and my JD with significant coursework in International Law gives me a little bit of insight on the issue. But if you want to put so much faith in the UN and foreign countries to dictate what's best for us, go right ahead... :rolleyes:

uh well then you should have received an F.

if you thinking going against the UN and setting an example for other nations to do the same then you are retarded. so kudos :thumbsup

[LeviJ]

What are they gonna do, invade? :rolleyes:

Seriously, you have to keep in mind that some of these so-called "allies" don't necessarily have our best interests at heart. The French, for example, have been taking contrarian positions to US foreign policy since the 50's, sometimes out of genuine disagreement and sometimes just to try to put us in our place so they can assert their independence and recapture a bit of their lost former glory on the international stage. Taking the view that we need to do what they advise is overly simplistic and in the long run could actually be more harmful than challenging them. Some of them aren't going to like us, no matter what we do.

There are times when pursuing international cooperation is helpful, and there are times when you can't worry about what others think. Placing faith in groups like the UN, perhaps the most bureaucratic, inactive and ineffective multinational organization in history isn't a viable alternative.

I'm not saying that we should do what they advise, I'm saying we should pay attention and cooperate with them. Part of being in an alliance is to compromise. Bush has fragmented the free world in the fight against terror. Terrorists are attacking more frequently and more fatally than before 9-11, and it's because Bush decimated any chance of international teamwork to combat the issue. It's so much easier for terrorists to attack individual nations when they know their alliances are shattered.

And I know no one is going to invade us for the time being. But there are ways my friend. The dollar is losing value against the euro, and pretty soon it will be more profitable for international companies to be trading with the euros. We refuse to develop alternatives to oil and are really held hostage by countries that don't like us. We're increasingly unpopular with both our enemies and allies. In the 21st century, more and more nations will acquire nuclear technology, and one doesn't necessarily have to put feet on the ground in an invasion when they have nukes. It's time to stop this isolationist USA #1!!!! bullshit and get along with each other.

Or in short: Vote George Bush the fuck outta office!

[AggieDMBFan06]

Is it me or has Kerry been getting tans?

I dont want anyone that tans to run the country. WTF?

[System]

Is it me or has Kerry been getting tans?

I dont want anyone that tans to run the country. WTF?

Well with his flip flops on issues I am sure he isn't tan only one side. Equally tan....