Hardball this evening...

[Mickey Carson]

Anybody watch this? Chris Matthews is just torching Kitty Kelley, author of "The Family," this whacked out book on the Bush family. Matthews is liberal but he's just anihilating her. I've never seen someone come so close to breaking down when interviewed.

[DMBSignGuy]

i missed it...how did he break her down...ive heard a few things about this book and about the author, the most interesting one is that even her critics say she does great research.

[DollyLlama]

Chris Matthews is the best thing on TV news today. Yes, he is a liberal. Yes, he can be every bit as abrasive as Bill O'Reilly. But, Matthews acheives it by calling people on it when they're trying to feed him crap. It was great the way he roasted Zell Miller, and if Kitty Kelley couldn't defend her work, she got what she deserved too.

[Mickey Carson]

Chris Matthews is the best thing on TV news today. Yes, he is a liberal. Yes, he can be every bit as abrasive as Bill O'Reilly. But, Matthews acheives it by calling people on it when they're trying to feed him crap. It was great the way he roasted Zell Miller, and if Kitty Kelley couldn't defend her work, she got what she deserved too.
:thumbsup Indeed...and to answer your question DMBSignGuy...he attacked her sources because none of them came forward to validate her attacks on the Bush family. Although she may do great research, she failed to identify any of her firsthand sources and Matthews got her to admit that many of her sources that attacked Bush were doing so based on heresy.

It was weird to watch...she looked so uncomfortable and uanble to articulate her points. I was embarassed for her.

[DMBSignGuy]

:thumbsup Indeed...and to answer your question DMBSignGuy...he attacked her sources because none of them came forward to validate her attacks on the Bush family. Although she may do great research, she failed to identify any of her firsthand sources and Matthews got her to admit that many of her sources that attacked Bush were doing so based on heresy.

It was weird to watch...she looked so uncomfortable and uanble to articulate her points. I was embarassed for her.

man too bad i missed it...would of been interesting to watch.

[cyberhound]

:thumbsup Indeed...and to answer your question DMBSignGuy...he attacked her sources because none of them came forward to validate her attacks on the Bush family. Although she may do great research, she failed to identify any of her firsthand sources and Matthews got her to admit that many of her sources that attacked Bush were doing so based on heresy.

It was weird to watch...she looked so uncomfortable and uanble to articulate her points. I was embarassed for her.
Bush has people attacking him based on witchcraft?:ugh: ;)

[EatSleepJeep]

Bush has people attacking him based on witchcraft?:ugh: ;)
I laughed.

Heresy - religious non-believer(somewhat)
Hearsay - reporting something as fact that was heard secondhand and not directly witnessed.

[Dancing Ants]

Chris Matthews is the best thing on TV news today. Yes, he is a liberal. Yes, he can be every bit as abrasive as Bill O'Reilly. But, Matthews acheives it by calling people on it when they're trying to feed him crap. It was great the way he roasted Zell Miller, and if Kitty Kelley couldn't defend her work, she got what she deserved too.

Bill O'Reilly does it too, everyone just hates him.

[EatSleepJeep]

Bill O'Reilly does it too, everyone just hates him.
That's because everyone sees him and still thinks HARD COPY.

[DollyLlama]

Bill O'Reilly does it too, everyone just hates him.

No, Bill O'Reilly bullies people when he can't put up up a good fight using factual evidence. It's the classic right wing response lately. Michael Moore makes a movie that, whether you agree with the conclusions, makes a very compelling case, and the right can't effectively dispute its points. So, they just call Michael Moore fat and un-American. I guess that means I should never listen to people that are overweight? France doesn't want Iraq invaded, so instead of calling them on the fact that they've got a pretty sweet oil arrangement with Iraq (after all, that would be admitting that people do this sort of thing for oil), we get Freedom Fries and all this stupid "the French owe us" talk. Noone owes us anything, and besides, we'd be watching soccer and wearing powdered wigs right now if the French hadn't gotten involved in the Revolutionary War. Bill O'Reilly is nothing more than a media bullhorn for this method of preaching right-wing ideology.

[AggieDMBFan06]

Bill O'Reilly is the Man!!!!

[Dancing Ants]

No, Bill O'Reilly bullies people when he can't put up up a good fight using factual evidence. It's the classic right wing response lately. Michael Moore makes a movie that, whether you agree with the conclusions, makes a very compelling case, and the right can't effectively dispute its points. So, they just call Michael Moore fat and un-American. I guess that means I should never listen to people that are overweight? France doesn't want Iraq invaded, so instead of calling them on the fact that they've got a pretty sweet oil arrangement with Iraq (after all, that would be admitting that people do this sort of thing for oil), we get Freedom Fries and all this stupid "the French owe us" talk. Noone owes us anything, and besides, we'd be watching soccer and wearing powdered wigs right now if the French hadn't gotten involved in the Revolutionary War. Bill O'Reilly is nothing more than a media bullhorn for this method of preaching right-wing ideology.


I don't know about that. I've never heard, or read, Bill O'Reilly call Moore fat. I have seen them debate, which was a hoot. Also, if no one owes us anything, then we should just forget about the French help in the Revolutionary War, right? I mean, we freakin saved their country. No one else did that. Yes, we had help, but there were more Americans in France in 1944 than there were British or Russians.

[cyberhound]

No, Bill O'Reilly bullies people when he can't put up up a good fight using factual evidence. It's the classic right wing response lately. Michael Moore makes a movie that, whether you agree with the conclusions, makes a very compelling case, and the right can't effectively dispute its points. So, they just call Michael Moore fat and un-American. I guess that means I should never listen to people that are overweight? France doesn't want Iraq invaded, so instead of calling them on the fact that they've got a pretty sweet oil arrangement with Iraq (after all, that would be admitting that people do this sort of thing for oil), we get Freedom Fries and all this stupid "the French owe us" talk. Noone owes us anything, and besides, we'd be watching soccer and wearing powdered wigs right now if the French hadn't gotten involved in the Revolutionary War. Bill O'Reilly is nothing more than a media bullhorn for this method of preaching right-wing ideology.
This post is just as full of shit as what you speak against.

[AggieDMBFan06]

a little thing called World War 2....just a little thing but hey...

[AggieDMBFan06]

oh shite someone already posted that hehehehehehhe sorry

[DollyLlama]

I don't know about that. I've never heard, or read, Bill O'Reilly call Moore fat.
I never said he did. I said Bill O'Reilly is a bullhorn for the right wing, can't dispute facts so lets just make fun of people mentality.

Also, if no one owes us anything, then we should just forget about the French help in the Revolutionary War, right?

I was trying to think of something to say about this but I just have no idea what it is you're trying to get at.

a little thing called World War 2....just a little thing but hey...

So, because we helped the French in WWI and utterly bailed them out in World War II, that means they should just go along with whatever imperialist, bully the world to get what we want crusades we ever want to embark upon?

[nubby]

I dunno I read Al frankens book and the stuff he says against Bill Oreily is pretty funny and makes a lot of sense. He may be left wing but that doesn't mean his case is wrong.

[erbewoods]

Bill O'Reilly is also a blatant racist. Not that Michael Moore doesn't have his downsides though...Both of them are pretty lowly examples of human beings.

[nubby]

I don't like michale moore.

[cyberhound]

I don't like michale moore.
See, you can get something right. That's the way, keep working at it!:p

[Dancing Ants]

I was trying to think of something to say about this but I just have no idea what it is you're trying to get at.


You said that no one owes us anything, then we don't owe anyone anything..right?

it made more sense at 8:15 this mornign.

[HudmeisterDMB]

just watched the kitty kelley interview, she has no idea what she's talking about. if you wanna watch it, go to the hardball website and it should still be on there, that's where i saw it

[Dancing Ants]

that's great. she quotes a guy who never met Bush as saying that Bush didn't pass a physical because of coke, and then a democrat as saying Bush had an affair. Genius.

[DollyLlama]

You said that no one owes us anything, then we don't owe anyone anything..right?

it made more sense at 8:15 this mornign.

That's pretty much what I'm saying. To say that any country owes another is to say that one country assists another purely as a favor. If we were so concerned about freedom in Europe, why did it take us so long to really get involved?

There's a theory, which I only marginally buy into, that WW II for America was also an opportunity to carve out a sphere of influence. Some think that this was a calculated endeavor, which I disagree with. But, it was certainly the end result for both us and the Soviets. We ended up with trading partners in Europe and Asia, and the Soviets ended up with buffer states around them that they could count on to not fuck with them.

So, my point is that we only got involved in WW II when we realized that it was in our best interests to do so. Same thing with the French helping us in the Revolutionary war. The French were more than happy to have a check on British power, and what better way to do that than to lessen their colonial influence in America. Do you think the French really cared about this strange democracy thing some people were talking about over here? They were still ruled by a king!

If nations decide to REALLY start doing favors, IE nation building with absolutely nothing in it for Americans or American companies, then we can start talking about one nation owing something to another.

[beebop]

So, because we helped the French in WWI and utterly bailed them out in World War II, that means they should just go along with whatever imperialist, bully the world to get what we want crusades we ever want to embark upon?[/QUOTE]


Thanks. I've been thinking that ever since we invented Freedom Fries. I love how people (in this case, war supporters) use the "The French owe us" B.S., when all they do is repeat what they heard on Fox News or read on some pro-Republican website. The French don't owe us shit. The French just don't feel like they have the be the world's police.

[DollyLlama]

The French just don't feel like they have the be the world's police.

Hang on a sec... You didn't quite get my point. People's response to the French is either.

A) They heroicly stand up to the American juggernaut.
B) Traitors. You owe us. Freedom Fries. So there!

They, along with the Russians, have a great source of income disappear as soon as we invaded. They had contracts to sell oil equipment to the Iraqis if the UN sanctions were ever lifted. Any other concerns were secondary. We don't like to talk about this though. You have to first be educated enough to know this, but it would also mean admitting that we are in it for the oil, which our government is of course going to deny.

[Dancing Ants]

So, because we helped the French in WWI and utterly bailed them out in World War II, that means they should just go along with whatever imperialist, bully the world to get what we want crusades we ever want to embark upon?


Thanks. I've been thinking that ever since we invented Freedom Fries. I love how people (in this case, war supporters) use the "The French owe us" B.S., when all they do is repeat what they heard on Fox News or read on some pro-Republican website. The French don't owe us shit. The French just don't feel like they have the be the world's police.[/QUOTE]


To me, the US is put into the position of being the World Police. If we don't do one thing, everyone bitches, if we do something, we get bitched at.