Reps have balls criticizing AnyonebutBush mentality

[Warehouse21]

I think it's incredibly hypocritical for republicans to be telling people it's wrong to vote for Kerry just because your philosophy is "anyone but Bush".

In the California recall, the Republicans advertised and advocated an "anyone but Gray Davis" attitude. Someone asked me, "Would you vote for Bush or a monkey?" I asked him, "Would you vote for Gray Davis, or an Austrian born-Hitler admirer who has a history of starring in violent commercial films and fondling women?"

[AnyonebutBush]

I think it's incredibly hypocritical for republicans to be telling people it's wrong to vote for Kerry just because your philosophy is "anyone but Bush".

In the California recall, the Republicans advertised and advocated an "anyone but Gray Davis" attitude. Someone asked me, "Would you vote for Bush or a monkey?" I asked him, "Would you vote for Gray Davis, or an Austrian born-Hitler admirer who has a history of starring in violent commercial films and fondling women?"Yeah its to bad puppets dont see the strings!

[penn darvis]

I think it's incredibly hypocritical for republicans to be telling people it's wrong to vote for Kerry just because your philosophy is "anyone but Bush".

In the California recall, the Republicans advertised and advocated an "anyone but Gray Davis" attitude. Someone asked me, "Would you vote for Bush or a monkey?" I asked him, "Would you vote for Gray Davis, or an Austrian born-Hitler admirer who has a history of starring in violent commercial films and fondling women?"
Wow, your intelligence really shines through here.

First, Republicans did not advocate an "anyone but Gray Davis" mentality in California. For those who aren't from CA, the recall initially started out with several Republican candidates, but Arnold bribed most of them by promising positions later in order to get them to drop out. However, some Republicans like McClintock stayed in and garnered a significant percentage of the vote, thus proving that there was no "anyone but Gray" mentality.

Next, your assessment of Arnold is great. So, he was born in Austria. What does that have to do with anything? The next charge is the only one of real weight. Yes, he did in fact say over 20 years ago that he admired what Hitler did, but later flip-flopped on the issue, much like John Kerry has flip-flopped on a large number of things. The third charge is that he has starred in violent commercial films. This really has nothing to do with anything. Even if it did, I would think the fact that John Kerry admitted to commiting war crimes in Vietnam is much worse than violent movies. Then, you reference an LA Times story(who says the media isn't liberal?) which ran only a few days before election day and was based solely on the testimony of a few women who finally decided that after 20 years, it would be perfect to finally tell someone less than a week before election day. What a coincidence!!! That being said, Arnold hasn't been a great Governor and hasn't really changed things. If you had said these things, you argument may have carried a tiny bit of weight.

Finally, you have the balls to try to defend a stance that is entirely unreasonable and extremely barbaric in nature. Not only that, but your argument rests on the claim that because the Republicans took the same stance (which they, in fact, didn't), then the "Anyone but Bush" mentality is alright. I'll spare you from all the dull 'two wrongs don't make a right' analogies, but that's what it really comes down to.

[DMBSignGuy]

Wow, your intelligence really shines through here.

First, Republicans did not advocate an "anyone but Gray Davis" mentality in California. For those who aren't from CA, the recall initially started out with several Republican candidates, but Arnold bribed most of them by promising positions later in order to get them to drop out. However, some Republicans like McClintock stayed in and garnered a significant percentage of the vote, thus proving that there was no "anyone but Gray" mentality.

Next, your assessment of Arnold is great. So, he was born in Austria. What does that have to do with anything? The next charge is the only one of real weight. Yes, he did in fact say over 20 years ago that he admired what Hitler did, but later flip-flopped on the issue, much like John Kerry has flip-flopped on a large number of things. The third charge is that he has starred in violent commercial films. This really has nothing to do with anything. Even if it did, I would think the fact that John Kerry admitted to commiting war crimes in Vietnam is much worse than violent movies. Then, you reference an LA Times story(who says the media isn't liberal?) which ran only a few days before election day and was based solely on the testimony of a few women who finally decided that after 20 years, it would be perfect to finally tell someone less than a week before election day. What a coincidence!!! That being said, Arnold hasn't been a great Governor and hasn't really changed things. If you had said these things, you argument may have carried a tiny bit of weight.

Finally, you have the balls to try to defend a stance that is entirely unreasonable and extremely barbaric in nature. Not only that, but your argument rests on the claim that because the Republicans took the same stance (which they, in fact, didn't), then the "Anyone but Bush" mentality is alright. I'll spare you from all the dull 'two wrongs don't make a right' analogies, but that's what it really comes down to.

Rick Roberts summed it up best for Republicans here in California when it came to who one should vote for in the recall. There is a time for principles and a time for practicality, now is the time for practicality. Always nice to know ones principles should be thrown out when the time calls for it.

[Dancing Ants]

I think it's incredibly hypocritical for republicans to be telling people it's wrong to vote for Kerry just because your philosophy is "anyone but Bush".

In the California recall, the Republicans advertised and advocated an "anyone but Gray Davis" attitude. Someone asked me, "Would you vote for Bush or a monkey?" I asked him, "Would you vote for Gray Davis, or an Austrian born-Hitler admirer who has a history of starring in violent commercial films and fondling women?"

wow, that was a stretch with the "violent commercial films" crap. haha.

also, are you guys the same person? i figure you are, and don't have the balls to just stick up for yourself (specially on a messageboard :freak :freak).

[penn darvis]

Rick Roberts summed it up best for Republicans here in California when it came to who one should vote for in the recall. There is a time for principles and a time for practicality, now is the time for practicality. Always nice to know ones principles should be thrown out when the time calls for it.
One person's opinion doesn't sum up that of the entire party.

[DMBSignGuy]

One person's opinion doesn't sum up that of the entire party.

naturally...but few million republicans in california who voted for arnold sure speak for thier party as well. Plus maybe you dont know how much credit was given to rick roberts by republicans here in california for making the recall sucessful.

and lets not forget all them people who voted for arnold just because hes arnold.... :BANG

[DreemingTree]

Yeah its to bad puppets dont see the strings!
:lol

[sliver108]

Yeah its to bad puppets dont see the strings!
That is my new favorite quote!

[penn darvis]

naturally...but few million republicans in california who voted for arnold sure speak for thier party as well. Plus maybe you dont know how much credit was given to rick roberts by republicans here in california for making the recall sucessful.

and lets not forget all them people who voted for arnold just because hes arnold.... :BANG
That really makes no sense. No conclusion about the entire Republican party can be drawn from California Republicans.

[HudmeisterDMB]

I think it's incredibly hypocritical for republicans to be telling people it's wrong to vote for Kerry just because your philosophy is "anyone but Bush".

In the California recall, the Republicans advertised and advocated an "anyone but Gray Davis" attitude. Someone asked me, "Would you vote for Bush or a monkey?" I asked him, "Would you vote for Gray Davis, or an Austrian born-Hitler admirer who has a history of starring in violent commercial films and fondling women?"

you're an idiot... why don't you do a little more research into what schwarzenegger is really doing and you'll be surprised. he has proven to be an extremely intelligent man who is actually getting things done in california.

[DMBSignGuy]

That really makes no sense. No conclusion about the entire Republican party can be drawn from California Republicans.

i figured when i said Republicans here in California in my first post it was clear that i was talking about the republican party in california. but i'll clarify....i meant the republicans here, as in california, in california.

[penn darvis]

i figured when i said in my first post it was clear that i was talking about the republican party in california. but i'll clarify....i meant the republicans here, as in california, in california.
The comment was directed at your defense of the original poster who was in fact referring to all Republicans.

Anyways, what about those that voted for McClintock or any other Republican candidate?

[DMBSignGuy]

The comment was directed at your defense of the original poster who was in fact referring to all Republicans.

Anyways, what about those that voted for McClintock or any other Republican candidate?

ah, my post actually wasnt to defend but to clarify the first post about the california recall. but as for the McClintock voters. i give them all the credit they deserve for voting their principles. but they were few and far between and certainly not the party line here in california. i have to hand it to McClintock for not dropping out either even after numerous calls for him to do so in order to make sure Arnold wins.

[penn darvis]

ah, my post actually wasnt to defend but to clarify the first post about the california recall. but as for the McClintock voters. i give them all the credit they deserve for voting their principles. but they were few and far between and certainly not the party line here in california. i have to hand it to McClintock for not dropping out either even after numerous calls for him to do so in order to make sure Arnold wins.
McClintock got 13% of the total vote (so that's a little less than one fourth of all Republican votes). Not too shabby.

Don't forget that a lot of Arnold's votes came from people (read: idiots), that wouldn't normally vote and don't really have a part affiliation, but were drawn in by the presence of a movie star and somehow thought it would be cool to see one as their governor.

[nubby]

Not that this really applies but I voted for Arnold. I voted for Arnold for the same reason I'm going to vote for Kerry. The incumbant dropped the ball and Kerry is the best Guy for the opening.

[perrinbar]

you're an idiot... why don't you do a little more research into what schwarzenegger is really doing and you'll be surprised. he has proven to be an extremely intelligent man who is actually getting things done in california.


That sir, is a ridiculous claim. First off Arnold's payroll is larger than Gray Davis' bloated payroll was, second off Arnold has been taking money from special interests at about the same clip as Davis did, it is less certainly than Davis did but still not quite what he said when he was running. Thirdly and perhaps most important is he displayed a stunning lack of diplomacy in dealing with the now yearly budget fiasco finally reverting to calling the democrats "girly-men" because they didn't just cave in to his overwhelming personality. He is bad just like Davis was bad. Politicians suck ass and the problem with government is how full of horseshit everyone is.

[DMBSignGuy]

you're an idiot... why don't you do a little more research into what schwarzenegger is really doing and you'll be surprised. he has proven to be an extremely intelligent man who is actually getting things done in california.

:lol by borrowing more money....taking even longer to pay it off....spending more and cutting education among other things. sounds like a man who knows what hes doing to me. hes just a more charismatic davis, hell he even raises money faster than davis ever did. my favorite part about all this is all them college students who voted for him and then bitched theirs asses of when thier tuition went up. he said he was gonna do it yet they still voted for him anyways. :twak

[DMBSignGuy]

McClintock got 13% of the total vote (so that's a little less than one fourth of all Republican votes). Not too shabby.

Don't forget that a lot of Arnold's votes came from people (read: idiots), that wouldn't normally vote and don't really have a part affiliation, but were drawn in by the presence of a movie star and somehow thought it would be cool to see one as their governor.

unfortunatly thats closer to a tenth than a fourth. i completely agree that a lot of his votes came from idiots and their paying for it, college tuition as one example. its just unfortunate that idiots and voters without principles turned out in droves....whatever happened to voter apathy. ahh the good ol days :p

[DMBSignGuy]

:thumbsup That sir, is a ridiculous claim. First off Arnold's payroll is larger than Gray Davis' bloated payroll was, second off Arnold has been taking money from special interests at about the same clip as Davis did, it is less certainly than Davis did but still not quite what he said when he was running. Thirdly and perhaps most important is he displayed a stunning lack of diplomacy in dealing with the now yearly budget fiasco finally reverting to calling the democrats "girly-men" because they didn't just cave in to his overwhelming personality. He is bad just like Davis was bad. Politicians suck ass and the problem with government is how full of horseshit everyone is.

beat me to it.

[penn darvis]

unfortunatly thats closer to a tenth than a fourth.

I said one fourth of the Republican vote. It's one tenth of the total vote.

[DMBSignGuy]

I said one fourth of the Republican vote. It's one tenth of the total vote.

ah indeed you did...my mistake. :monkey