So Republicans.. What dont you like about Bush?

[AnyonebutBush]

I am curious just to see what you dont like about him. From what
I have seen in these Threads is that you believe and support everything that comes out of his mouth, so here is your chance to prove you have minds of your own!

[AggieDMBFan06]

the only thing i did not like about Mr. Bush was the overtime thing....im kinda drunk so hope this makes sense. he wanted to get rid of the overtime wages which is kinda bullshit. thats about it

[chiznaz]

his stance on stem cell research

[schmenencke]

Spending

[AggieDMBFan06]

his stance on stem cell research
Im sorry but i dont know what stem cell research is? what the hell is it? :BANG

[tdowe99]

It's a controversial medical research that uses cells from embryos to look for cures to diseases. The Right says that it's murder of unborn fetuses, while the Left says it will lead to cures for cancer, Alshiemers, Parkinson's, etc.

[Route_2]

All other human cells that make up your body are formed from stem cells. Scientists hope to grow specific types of cells that perform specific functions in your body from these stem cells.
http://stemcells.nih.gov/info/basics/

[AggieDMBFan06]

yea that is controversial...id prolly say that i dont know...dang

[saygoodbye12]

Andrew Sullivan wrote this today and I think it reflects what some may be thinking about Bush:

But I do want to quibble: I do not despise Bush; and I think it's highly unhelpful to conflate criticism of this president with hatred. I noticed this last night watching Shep Smith on Fox News introduce a segment on Kerry's criticism of the president as "Bush-bashing." Yes, there is Bush-bashing. Michael Moore, for example. But there's also Bush-criticism. I have never met the president, although I know a few people close to him. But he seems like a nice enough guy to me. I'm angry at the way in which he has clearly botched a war I believe in and want to succeed. I'm mad that he has ended fiscal conservatism for a generation, attacked gay civil rights and empowered the religious right. But that doesn't mean I despise him. I've written plenty of fawning things about him in the past - as well as sharp criticism from as long ago as the spring of 2000. I just think he has failed in the most fundamental task set before him: to win the war in Iraq - the primary front in the war on terror. I think he failed to prepare sufficiently, has been too slow to correct error, and has a dangerously out-of-touch attitide to the growing crisis. My anger is deeper because I once believed and hoped. But it is not hatred.

[NavyBoy41]

I just don't like how strongly influenced he is by Donald Rumsfeld and Dick Cheney.. Sure the Secretary of Defense and Vice President are advisors to the President, but they obviously have had plans of their own since the administration took office. He needs more people like Colin Powell who has his head on his shoulders more than anyone else in the cabinet. He's more concerned with effects of EVERYTHING around policies and actions of the administration, rather than the "we'll deal with what happens afterwards later" stance of some. I honestly think that Rumsfeld should have been gone after the prison scandal, and I think that would have also helped Bush's numbers in the upcoming election. I also think that Colin Powell would be a better running mate than Dick Cheney..


Just my opinion and I am a republican! But george w. bush rocks! don't get me wrong! (just a little too trusting of people within his own cabinet)

:monkey

[nubby]

I just don't like how strongly influenced he is by Donald Rumsfeld and Dick Cheney.. Sure the Secretary of Defense and Vice President are advisors to the President, but they obviously have had plans of their own since the administration took office. He needs more people like Colin Powell who has his head on his shoulders more than anyone else in the cabinet. He's more concerned with effects of EVERYTHING around policies and actions of the administration, rather than the "we'll deal with what happens afterwards later" stance of some. I honestly think that Rumsfeld should have been gone after the prison scandal, and I think that would have also helped Bush's numbers in the upcoming election. I also think that Colin Powell would be a better running mate than Dick Cheney..


Just my opinion and I am a republican! But george w. bush rocks! don't get me wrong! (just a little too trusting of people within his own cabinet)

:monkey
He's so strongly influenced by his advisors because he had trouble thinking for himself. People talk about how the President is an idiot and that alone should be enough to vote kerry. I tend to agree. Our president needs to understand what his actions will effect and I think this president is definitely out of touch with his decisions. He handled 9/11 well; but he botched Iraq. This failure combined with lacking social reform and bad environmentalism just tells me he's not the man for the job. And if kerry is elected and fails at these same issues I'm gonna vote for the other guy. I don't care about the party affiliation nearly as much as I care about what the candidate represents to me.

[JanelleM]

his stance on stem cell research
...and abortion and gay marriages. I am a Democrat voting for Bush.

[Carbon Copy]

i dont like the fact that pres bush cant admit his mistakes. he always has a way around his blunders. why cant he just come out and say he fucked up in certain area's

[saygoodbye12]

...and abortion and gay marriages. I am a Democrat voting for Bush.
How is one a democrat if they are pro-life, pro-gay marriage amendment (and let's be honest, even anti-civil unions) and anti-stem cell research?

In a day where these 2 parties are so damn similar there are only a few central issues separating them. And I would say these are right at the top.

[Ben F.]

no child left behind.

as a soon-to-be teacher, that just doesn't seem to be the best decision.

[barefoot]

Abortion, gay mariage and a few minor points. I think at this point in time he is the right man for the job. I could easily see somone else could do a better job but I dont feel Kerry is one of them.

[haildmb]

his stance on gay marriage, terrible. However, I don't feel his ideas will ever be translated into law, which is good.

The spending is rather high, however considering what has gone on in the term, it's not so abhorrant

[haildmb]

Abortion, gay mariage and a few minor points. I think at this point in time he is the right man for the job. I could easily see somone else could do a better job but I dont feel Kerry is one of them.


indeed

[slitz]

no child left behind.

as a soon-to-be teacher, that just doesn't seem to be the best decision.


:thumbsup

being the spouse of an urban special ed teacher, I have to agree that I dont like this.

[HudmeisterDMB]

his stance on stem cell research

:thumbsup stem cell research is cool

[mwjorgens]

It's a controversial medical research that uses cells from embryos to look for cures to diseases. The Right says that it's murder of unborn fetuses, while the Left says it will lead to cures for cancer, Alshiemers, Parkinson's, etc.
i hate those crazy leftist, trying to help others....where the hell do those bastards get off...on a side note the right has no problem killing anyone and everyone that stands in there way.

[Number27]

i hate those crazy leftist, trying to help others....where the hell do those bastards get off...on a side note the right has no problem killing anyone and everyone that stands in there way.
Being liberal, I find most of what you say to not add to the discussion at all.

[chiznaz]

Being liberal, I find most of what you say to not add to the discussion at all.
:thumbsup

On another note of what I said earlier..... i don't agree with gay marriage at all, but I don't think changing the constitution is anywhere close to being rational. I'm also against abortion in most cases. I'm pro stem cell research because of personal happenings which opened up my understanding to what it really does for people.

Linking stem cell research to abortions is one of the most idiotic things I think. When people begin discussing the two like they are one and the same, that right there tells me they have no clue what the are talking about. Just my opinion:)

[Dancing Ants]

Being liberal, I find most of what you say to not add to the discussion at all.

wow, i actually agree with you on this.


my biggest problem with BUsh would be the whole Gay Marriage thing. It's an issue you don't even need to bother with, and he's making a big deal out of it.

[mwjorgens]

Being liberal, I find most of what you say to not add to the discussion at all.
having a conscience, common sense and doing the right thing never seem to sit well with anyone. thats why 'liberals' are seen in such a negative light

[Davenumber40]

:thumbsup

no child left behind.

as a soon-to-be teacher, that just doesn't seem to be the best decision.

I wasn't happy when my newly elected conservative president sat down to work on an education bill with Ted Kennedy.

[Dancing Ants]

having a conscience, common sense and doing the right thing never seem to sit well with anyone. thats why 'liberals' are seen in such a negative light

he was implying that 90% of your replies are "i hate those crazy leftist, trying to help others....where the hell do those bastards get off...on a side note the right has no problem killing anyone and everyone that stands in there way." and things like that instead of actual points.

[mking84]

Quick thought. I dont like his spending habits or some members of his cabinet ( dick cheney, rumsfeld, and ashcroft scares the shit out of me). But can you tell me what kerry will do different etc... because he hasnt taken a stand on any issue. It seems people vote for him because he isnt bush, no matter what he says. Whats so right about that?

[Spicy McHaggis]

:thumbsup

On another note of what I said earlier..... i don't agree with gay marriage at all, but I don't think changing the constitution is anywhere close to being rational. I'm also against abortion in most cases. I'm pro stem cell research because of personal happenings which opened up my understanding to what it really does for people.

Linking stem cell research to abortions is one of the most idiotic things I think. When people begin discussing the two like they are one and the same, that right there tells me they have no clue what the are talking about. Just my opinion:)
Not debating, just asking ... How do you get decent stem cells without harvesting fetuses?

I've been told that umbilical cord and adult stem cells are insufficient. Also, for someone more in the know ... why can't scientists just clone a trillion stem cells off of an existing one, therefore eliminating any further need for more fetuses?

[michael822]

This thread is genius....Getting Republicans to bash Bush....Genius I tell you!

[mwjorgens]

he was implying that 90% of your replies are "i hate those crazy leftist, trying to help others....where the hell do those bastards get off...on a side note the right has no problem killing anyone and everyone that stands in there way." and things like that instead of actual points.
i guess sarcasm used to critique a group, that are for the most part, irrational; is wrong. oh shit....does that count to my 90%

[cbsauder]

honestly, i would actually know what the democrats LIKE about kerry, other than the fact that he's not bush.

[Route_2]

He's not Bush......damn, you aleady said that one.

No, seriously, he's got great hair.

[cbsauder]

if i ever saw john kerry in person, i'd have one question for him.



















































why the long face? (sorry bad joke :lol)

[clemson357]

i don't think he is overly smart, and im not sure about his abortion stance but i am pro choice and most republicans are pro life.

[marco j]

Quick thought. I dont like his spending habits or some members of his cabinet ( dick cheney, rumsfeld, and ashcroft scares the shit out of me). But can you tell me what kerry will do different etc... because he hasnt taken a stand on any issue. It seems people vote for him because he isnt bush, no matter what he says. Whats so right about that?

stop saying things like this. Kerry has stances on every issue! many of them are the same your presidents, however he is more intelligent well spoken and clearly has military experience. tell me how he wouldn't be someone who could bring more allies to our causes better than bush has failed to do. if you want to know or understand he stance on issues go watch he acceptance speech or go to his campaign site.

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Kerry appearing close to the same as bush is the biggest reason i don't trust or like him very much.

[AU1880]

I am curious just to see what you dont like about him. From what
I have seen in these Threads is that you believe and support everything that comes out of his mouth, so here is your chance to prove you have minds of your own!
His stance on stem-cell research, abortion, and gay marriage.

[AU1880]

stop saying things like this. Kerry has stances on every issue! many of them are the same your presidents, however he is more intelligent well spoken and clearly has military experience. tell me how he wouldn't be someone who could bring more allies to our causes better than bush has failed to do. if you want to know or understand he stance on issues go watch he acceptance speech or go to his campaign site.

*edit*
Kerry appearing close to the same as bush is the biggest reason i don't trust or like him very much.
The problem is he has taken many different stances on the issues. We don't need someone who is going to be wishy washy.
You also have to ask yourself who would Osama rather see in office? Seriously, if Osama got to pick his opponent, who would it be? This election is all about war on terror, because if that isn't stopped then there won't be an economy or even a country to run at all.

[Daevian]

The problem is he has taken many different stances on the issues. We don't need someone who is going to be wishy washy.
You also have to ask yourself who would Osama rather see in office? Seriously, if Osama got to pick his opponent, who would it be? This election is all about war on terror, because if that isn't stopped then there won't be an economy or even a country to run at all.
lol :BANG Newsflash: You can't stop the war on terror. Surpression is the only option. Terrorists will never destroy our economy let alone our country. And I'd rather have a president who doesn't say what he will do or will change his mind than a president that is really gung ho, doesn't think, and lies MORE to his country. Don't get me wrong PLEASE all politicians lie. In the end "There's nothing we can do about it." Typical Situation should have been written about America.

[AnyonebutBush]

Thanks! :thumbsup

[mking84]

The problem is he has taken many different stances on the issues. We don't need someone who is going to be wishy washy.
You also have to ask yourself who would Osama rather see in office? Seriously, if Osama got to pick his opponent, who would it be? This election is all about war on terror, because if that isn't stopped then there won't be an economy or even a country to run at all.






What????????????I think you might be talking about the wrong person. Hint hint....should be kerry. Besides, this is a post for republicans.

[mwjorgens]

The problem is he has taken many different stances on the issues. We don't need someone who is going to be wishy washy.
You also have to ask yourself who would Osama rather see in office? Seriously, if Osama got to pick his opponent, who would it be? This election is all about war on terror, because if that isn't stopped then there won't be an economy or even a country to run at all.
thats the most redic argument ive ever heard in support of bush.

[AnyonebutBush]

The problem is he has taken many different stances on the issues. We don't need someone who is going to be wishy washy.
You also have to ask yourself who would Osama rather see in office? Seriously, if Osama got to pick his opponent, who would it be? This election is all about war on terror, because if that isn't stopped then there won't be an economy or even a country to run at all.Well If I was Osama I would definitly vote for Bush since he is the one that let me get away so easily. Osama and his buddies have plenty of time to regroup it seems we are gonna be in Iraq for a very long time.

[mking84]

I think you should be president since you know all and obviously can do a better job. Tell me, what would kerry do that is different, because he sure hasn't said anything. And yes of course, it is bush, by himself, out in the mountains of Afghanistan looking for Bin Laden by himself. How about a valid argument, because I's still waiting for one.

[watchtower86]

this year in history i elected to take a course strictly on vietnam. the teacher is one of the most respected experts on vietnam in the country. ever since i started this course, and hes been showing parallels between vietnam and the iraqi war, ive been seriously questioning the war effort. im not saying that bush has completely fucked it up, but he has not handled it well. i like that we got rid of saddam, but this is now just getting long and tedious and we're not really going anywhere with it.

also, i dont understand why its a big deal for gays to marry. who cares, theyre not hurting anyone. abortion, im against it. neither of those should be argued solely based on religion though. im religious, but that doesnt mean gays shouldnt be allowed to marry cause the bible says so.

[AnyonebutBush]

I think you should be president since you know all and obviously can do a better job. Tell me, what would kerry do that is different, because he sure hasn't said anything. And yes of course, it is bush, by himself, out in the mountains of Afghanistan looking for Bin Laden by himself. How about a valid argument, because I's still waiting for one.Where did that come from? Who are you talking to you? Him ----------->:ggoat or him---------->:goat ? I dont think either respond very well. and yeah Bush did not do much to get Osama. Its like if your worst enemy fucked your wife, would you put everything you had into finding this man or would you settle for some guy fucking someone elses wife down the street?
And why do you mention Kerry? I never did.

[Warehouse21]

:thumbsup

Linking stem cell research to abortions is one of the most idiotic things I think. When people begin discussing the two like they are one and the same, that right there tells me they have no clue what the are talking about. Just my opinion:)

:thumbsup you're exactly right. Stem cell research isn't about getting away with screwing a guy you met at the vbowling alley, it's about curing disease and creating hope. Anyone who's against this is either evil or he's a jesus-whipped pussy.

[Warehouse21]

The problem is he has taken many different stances on the issues. We don't need someone who is going to be wishy washy.
You also have to ask yourself who would Osama rather see in office? Seriously, if Osama got to pick his opponent, who would it be? This election is all about war on terror, because if that isn't stopped then there won't be an economy or even a country to run at all.

If you think John Kerrry is not going to fight the war on terror, you're crazy.

And also, about stem cell research...

The leading cause of death in the US for the next 20 years wil not be terrorism.

It will not be shootings due to decreased gun control.

We'll GET SICK! That's how we die. We get sick. John Kerry is wiling to explore medical research to protect us from what is most likely to harm us: disease. So do you feel safer electing a man who will fight for research and exploration in medical science, or do you feel safer with the Pope's prison bitch who thinks he's gonna go to hell if he endorses science?

[marco j]

The problem is he has taken many different stances on the issues. We don't need someone who is going to be wishy washy.
You also have to ask yourself who would Osama rather see in office? Seriously, if Osama got to pick his opponent, who would it be? This election is all about war on terror, because if that isn't stopped then there won't be an economy or even a country to run at all.


it is quite obvious Osama would want bush in office. bush is as of right now the best recruiting officer he has ever had. go ahead try and deny it.

[marco j]

The problem is he has taken many different stances on the issues. We don't need someone who is going to be wishy washy.
You also have to ask yourself who would Osama rather see in office? Seriously, if Osama got to pick his opponent, who would it be? This election is all about war on terror, because if that isn't stopped then there won't be an economy or even a country to run at all.


it is quite obvious Osama would want bush in office. bush is as of right now the best recruiting officer he has ever had. go ahead try and deny it.

[cyberhound]

it is quite obvious Osama would want bush in office. bush is as of right now the best recruiting officer he has ever had. go ahead try and deny it.
I'm inclined to agree with you. Although, I don't think Osama, if he is alive, ultimately cares who is in office. It's convenient that Bush motivates a few more people to meet Allah for him, but he wants to destroy our country, whether the president be Bush or Kerry.

[saygoodbye12]

it is quite obvious Osama would want bush in office. bush is as of right now the best recruiting officer he has ever had. go ahead try and deny it.
Do you think he actually cares? Unless Kerry getting elected suddenly meant our troops would pull out all over the world, he'll always be able to find people to strap on a bomb and go meet some virgins in heaven.

[marco j]

Do you think he actually cares? Unless Kerry getting elected suddenly meant our troops would pull out all over the world, he'll always be able to find people to strap on a bomb and go meet some virgins in heaven.



No i don't think he realy cares but i respinded to a post stating that osama would want Kerry as president because they could atteck us again :rolleyes: .
what a joke. also i wish i knew how to quote different people in a post.
like i did yours and i wanted cyber's in this as well.

because i agree with cyber .........It's convenient that Bush motivates a few more people to meet Allah for him, but he wants to destroy our country, whether the president be Bush or Kerry.

and right now the guy helping this cause is bush.

[missEtn]

What don't I like about Bush?

His environmental policies suck ("Oh, you're my buddy? Sure, you can dump toxic waste into the rivers if it will save you some money!")

His educational policies suck. As a deaf educator, No Child Left Behind is terrible for my students and makes a teacher's already difficult job a lot harder. Try explaining to a parent why their extremely bright student is being held back because they are forced to take an exit test in a foreign language (english rather than American Sign Language), and therefore don't perform well.

His views on gay marriage are too closed-minded for my taste. I'm a Christian, too, but since when is it OK to be judgemental? And when did marriage become more about a license than a decision between loving couple & God?

And- lets face it- he's not the best public speaker!

That being said, I'm still voting for Bush because I have more pro's than con's for him. What is scary to me is that we have two candidates that no one really seems to want in office. Many Republicans (myself included) wish we had another candidate besides Bush to pull for, and I think we could pull a murderer Democrat off death row & the "anyone but Bush" camp would still vote for him. So, people, we have 4 years to come up with some really good candidates for both parties.
~missy~

[Spicy McHaggis]

Not debating, just asking ... How do you get decent stem cells without harvesting fetuses?

I've been told that umbilical cord and adult stem cells are insufficient. Also, for someone more in the know ... why can't scientists just clone a trillion stem cells off of an existing one, therefore eliminating any further need for more fetuses?

[chiznaz]

Not debating, just asking ... How do you get decent stem cells without harvesting fetuses?

I've been told that umbilical cord and adult stem cells are insufficient. Also, for someone more in the know ... why can't scientists just clone a trillion stem cells off of an existing one, therefore eliminating any further need for more fetuses?
I give an answer to part of your question. There are new procedures being developed that completely bypass using cells from a fetus. I'l ltry to give an example.

Say you have a severe heart attack and large portion of your heart is damaged from it. Scientist can actually take out the damaged cells from your heart, restructure the cells to where they are healthy again, and reinsert the new cells back into you. The cells would grow and replace the dead cells that where left over from the heart attack.

There are also similar procedures they can do for spinal cord injuries. One of which involves taking cells out of the olfactory part of your nose and reinserting it into the damages part of the spinal cord. An embryonic cell could do the same thing, but this procedure avoids that whole issue because this procedure uses your own cells.

link.....http://my.webmd.com/content/article/89/100250.htm

edit: my family has actually met the girl from el paso that this article talks about. it's amazing what she has been through and accomplished.

[greychris]

I am a Democrat voting for Bush.

:thumbsup

[greychris]

What don't I like about Bush?

His environmental policies suck ("Oh, you're my buddy? Sure, you can dump toxic waste into the rivers if it will save you some money!")
~missy~

I recommend brushing up on some environmental economics. I believe most people educated on the subject would agree that a certain amount of pollution is absolutely necessary for continued economic growth. Of course, it's a difficult balancing act, but environmentalists should understand that pollution is a by-product of growth. I should also add I'm not directly replying to your post, but to the principle that Bush is some sort of a monster when it comes to the environment.

[MoBb]

Anyone know if the debates between the two will be possible to watch on the net? Don`t know if it will be shown LIVE here.

[jrock5730]

This is why I don't like him.....

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/09/28/bush.tuesday.ap/index.html


Did he just write off N. Korea altogether, or is he just not worried about it at all? Bush will fight people who are trying to make nuclear weapons, but he lets countries who say the have them, and say they are making them go about their merry way(http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2004-09-27-us-nkorea_x.htm). Nice job Bush.

I am no republican by the way, just wanted to point this out.

[Spicy McHaggis]

This is why I don't like him.....

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/09/28/bush.tuesday.ap/index.html


Did he just write off N. Korea altogether, or is he just not worried about it at all? Bush will fight people who are trying to make nuclear weapons, but he lets countries who say the have them, and say they are making them go about their merry way(http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2004-09-27-us-nkorea_x.htm). Nice job Bush.

I am no republican by the way, just wanted to point this out.
Well, it's quite logical.

Direct military action against N.K. produces a much higher possibility of San Francisco or L.A. getting nuked, than does action against Iran. Kim Jong-Il is so nuts that you have to be a lot more careful. That's why some of us support the Bush Doctrine, one N.K. is scary enough.

[cyberhound]

This is why I don't like him.....

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/09/28/bush.tuesday.ap/index.html


Did he just write off N. Korea altogether, or is he just not worried about it at all? Bush will fight people who are trying to make nuclear weapons, but he lets countries who say the have them, and say they are making them go about their merry way(http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2004-09-27-us-nkorea_x.htm). Nice job Bush.

I am no republican by the way, just wanted to point this out.
You really think NK is that big of a problem?

[Davenumber40]

I love how people who don't like Bush can't just voice their opinions about him in the dozens of anti-Bush/anti-war threads. But they also need to be heard in a thread specifically created to discuss what Republicans think of him.

[Number27]

As a libby, I would have to say that W should always wear a cowboy hat. It just suits him for some unknown reason.

[timg1414]

how stubburn he is

[tdowe99]

I don't think NK will nuke LA or SF. He can't go that far. When they say "he has missles capable of hitting America!" I would think at best they mean the tip of Alaska.

[AnyonebutBush]

I don't think NK will nuke LA or SF. He can't go that far. When they say "he has missles capable of hitting America!" I would think at best they mean the tip of Alaska.I would think that he would go after our troops in SK, that way he can kill two birds with one bomb!

[jrock5730]

You really think NK is that big of a problem?

I think the fact that they already have nuclear weapons is a problem yes. The fact that they are boldly stating their intentions is a problem. Iran is saying that they are trying to make energy because its their right, yet our government "thinks" they are trying to do something else. Maybe its just me, but I do have a problem with this. I am sick of our government assuming things.