DMB's support of abortion?

[bubba40]

I know this has been explored previously, but because this is an election year and the question hasn't been definitively answered, I am extremely curious: does DMB or any of its members support abortion and/or pro-choice groups (ex. Planned Parenthood)? I am well aware of the fact that Dave's Horton Foundation has at one time given to Planned Parenthood.
Please resond if you have some light to shed on this question, including links and or other proof. I am curious if Dave or anyone else contributes, not if they have or have not in the past.
:confused: :confused: :confused:

[Route_2]

What if they did? Does that change anything for you?

[bubba40]

If he gives money to pro-choice organizations, I would not support him or the band. Do you know if he (or any other band member) does?

[ProudestAnt]

Yes he does, I don't really know. I'm just saying that so you'll leave. Musicians like Dave or anyone else don't need fans who listen to them simply because of their views on life. You're pathetic.

[DollyLlama]

Yes he does, I don't really know. I'm just saying that so you'll leave. Musicians like Dave or anyone else don't need fans who listen to them simply because of their views on life. You're pathetic.

Nods. Go sell your CDs if you have such strong feelings against something that there is absolutely no logical argument against.

[OlivePoet]

I don't feel it matters either.

I have a lot of friends who share extremely different views from me; I still support them.

Same goes with my family.

If I enjoy who someone is or what they provide me with, fuck it, I'm gonna love them just the same.

[nonewdirections]

it's just music.

[Chris_Norris41]

it's just music.

Bingo!

[chels012002]

Hey guys there is another thread that talks about this in this forum
http://antsmarching.org/forum/showthread.php?t=114866

[bubba40]

Here's the thing; if I give money to DMB, a portion of that goes to Dave, and a portion of that goes to the Horton Foundation. I am curious if the Horton Foundation currently supports abortion. It isn't a stretch to say that if they do, I am giving money to organizations like Planned Parenthood. I don't care what Dave's views are, I just want to know if I am contributing to them.

[Route_2]

Then yes, you're contibuting to the death of unwanted fetuses.

Is that what you wanted to hear?

[cyberhound]

No you aren't giving to them. Unless...you bought the new official DMB Firedancer coat hangers at one of this summer's concerts. A portion of the proceeds from that one particular item is reserved for organizations like that.

[ShutUpNRide05]

it's just music.
Now, we all know by now that DMB isn't just music ;) .

Aside from that, anyone who wishes to can choose to not listen to DMB because they support a certain cause. I mean, it's your choice. No one is stopping you from making a decision of your own.
:rolleyes:

[fleckhead]

No you aren't giving to them. Unless...you bought the new official DMB Firedancer coat hangers at one of this summer's concerts. A portion of the proceeds from that one particular item is reserved for organizations like that.


i bought 3 of them.


i had a very busy summer.


if i stopped supporting artists because of what they believed in or supported themselves, i'd hate everything.

[Route_2]

Now, we all know by now that DMB isn't just music ;) .

Aside from that, anyone who wishes to can choose to not listen to DMB because they support a certain cause. I mean, it's your choice. No one is stopping you from making a decision of your own.
:rolleyes::thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup

[DollyLlama]

Now, we all know by now that DMB isn't just music ;) .

Aside from that, anyone who wishes to can choose to not listen to DMB because they support a certain cause. I mean, it's your choice. No one is stopping you from making a decision of your own.
:rolleyes:

Heh. Subtle. I like.

[bubba40]

Okay, so let me get this straight: consensus is that Dave does give to pro-choice groups?

[Route_2]

Yes, he's an evil babykiller. :monkey

[ProudestAnt]

Okay, so let me get this straight: consensus is that Dave does give to pro-choice groups?The consensus is that you're quite pathetic for caring...

[DollyLlama]

I hear Dave does drugs too. That means he supports terrorism as well, remember?

[ProudestAnt]

I hear Dave does drugs too. That means he supports terrorism as well, remember?That's what our president said, so it must be true...:rolleyes:

[ShutUpNRide05]

Heh. Subtle. I like.
I'm all about the subtleness :cool:.

[bubba40]

Hey man, I have no intention of starting a political/ethical argument here. Just wanted to know Dave's view, because there is a direct correlation to $ going to what he supports. He can think whatever he wants, and I could care less, but I am free to pull my support if by supporting him (concert tix, CD's) I am doing something I (really) don't agree with.

[ProudestAnt]

And we're saying, do it because there isn't a musician out there who wants you to listen to them if you care about their views. Get a life.

[cyberhound]

And we're saying, do it because there isn't a musician out there who wants you to listen to them if you care about their views. Get a life.
Are you saying Dave doesn't want his fans to care about his views?

[OlivePoet]

Now, we all know by now that DMB isn't just music ;) .

Aside from that, anyone who wishes to can choose to not listen to DMB because they support a certain cause. I mean, it's your choice. No one is stopping you from making a decision of your own.
:rolleyes:

well done!

[bubba40]

You mentioned about a coathanger... so you're saying that that is the only way a fan would contribute to the Horton Foundation?

[Route_2]

Hey man, I have no intention of starting a political/ethical argument here. Just wanted to know Dave's view, because there is a direct correlation to $ going to what he supports. He can think whatever he wants, and I could care less, but I am free to pull my support if by supporting him (concert tix, CD's) I am doing something I (really) don't agree with.Do you go to all your favorite artists' forums and ask whether they support Planned Parenthood? Just curious.

[DollyLlama]

Hey man, I have no intention of starting a political/ethical argument here. Just wanted to know Dave's view, because there is a direct correlation to $ going to what he supports. He can think whatever he wants, and I could care less, but I am free to pull my support if by supporting him (concert tix, CD's) I am doing something I (really) don't agree with.

That's fine. I don't listen to Toby Keith or Charlie Daniels because they're hate mongering bigots. I just think you've picked a stupid opinion. That, and seriously.. what is "support of abortion" anyways? I'm ripping off my own post in the other thread you made about this, but The Onion expresses the stupidity of this issue best: http://www.theonion.com/nib/index.php?issue=4037&nib=2

[Route_2]

You mentioned about a coathanger... so you're saying that that is the only way a fan would contribute to the Horton Foundation?:lol :lol :lol

[ProudestAnt]

You mentioned about a coathanger... so you're saying that that is the only way a fan would contribute to the Horton Foundation? OH. MY. GOD.:twak

[OlivePoet]

Hey man, I have no intention of starting a political/ethical argument here. Just wanted to know Dave's view, because there is a direct correlation to $ going to what he supports. He can think whatever he wants, and I could care less, but I am free to pull my support if by supporting him (concert tix, CD's) I am doing something I (really) don't agree with.
Then why did you post in the Political Science forum? (I'm not trying to be catty, it would just make sense to me to post it elsewhere if you didn't want this to be a political/ethical debate.)

[Route_2]

I think he did post it somewhere else. Here and DMBc.

[cyberhound]

You mentioned about a coathanger... so you're saying that that is the only way a fan would contribute to the Horton Foundation?
According to my extensive research on this matter, yes. If you didn't purchase the coathanger, you can put DMB in your disc changer with a clear conscience.

[OlivePoet]

I think he did post it somewhere else. Here and DMBc.
oki-doki.

[bubba40]

No, I adore DMB's stuff, have all the CD's. Been to two shows, most recently 8/16/04. Its just that I have very strong opinions about this topic, and I read on dmband.com that he has given to groups before. I just want to know whether or not he gives to such organizations. Curiousity, man. Would I stop supporting Dave if doing so took a few bucks away from Planned Parenthood? Yes. Why? Because I simply back up what I believe in.

[ProudestAnt]

No, I adore DMB's stuff, have all the CD's. Been to two shows, most recently 8/16/04. Its just that I have very strong opinions about this topic, and I read on dmband.com that he has given to groups before. I just want to know whether or not he gives to such organizations. Curiousity, man. Would I stop supporting Dave if doing so took a few bucks away from Planned Parenthood? Yes. Why? Because I simply back up what I believe in.Wow...just, wow

[bubba40]

Cyberhound: are you serious about this coathanger thing?

[ProudestAnt]

Cyberhound: are you serious about this coathanger thing?:twak NO!:twak

[DollyLlama]

No, I adore DMB's stuff, have all the CD's. Been to two shows, most recently 8/16/04. Its just that I have very strong opinions about this topic, and I read on dmband.com that he has given to groups before. I just want to know whether or not he gives to such organizations. Curiousity, man. Would I stop supporting Dave if doing so took a few bucks away from Planned Parenthood? Yes. Why? Because I simply back up what I believe in.

Then you should sell all your DMB CDs and give the money to an anti-abortion group. Maybe picket in from of DMB shows. Then, if I ever see you at a show I can ask you why you'd have such a strong opinion about this and watch you squirm. It would be fun.

[Route_2]

No, I adore DMB's stuff, have all the CD's. Been to two shows, most recently 8/16/04. Its just that I have very strong opinions about this topic, and I read on dmband.com that he has given to groups before. I just want to know whether or not he gives to such organizations. Curiousity, man. Would I stop supporting Dave if doing so took a few bucks away from Planned Parenthood? Yes. Why? Because I simply back up what I believe in.Well, peace out then.

Maybe we'll catch you on the John Mayer forum. I heard he hates Planned Parenthood.

[bubba40]

And watch me squirm? Implying that I don't know what I'm talking about? Really?

[Route_2]

And watch me squirm? Implying that I don't know what I'm talking about? Really?What are you talking about?

[cyberhound]

Bubba...I'm not going to beat you up over your views. If you think Dave and Co. giving money to pro-choice groups is wrong, and that it really bothers you, then I urge you to vote with your dollars and not support them.

[bubba40]

Dolly Llama thinks I'd squirm. Really insightful to believe that those with opinions contrary to your own are idiots. I do disagree with pro-choice activists, but I definitely don't think they can't explain their thought-out views.

[DollyLlama]

If knowing what you're talking about means not being able to make a logical, factual argument about something, then yeah, that's what I'm implying. But, I'm with cyberhound. Don't give them any more money and sell your CDs if it's what you believe in. It could be worse. You could complain about what they support and then be a hypocrite and continue to support them.

[DollyLlama]

Dolly Llama thinks I'd squirm. Really insightful to believe that those with opinions contrary to your own are idiots. I do disagree with pro-choice activists, but I definitely don't think they can't explain their thought-out views.

I never said you were an idiot. I just said I'd get to watch you squirm if you ever had to have a factual discussion about abortion.

[DollyLlama]

Dolly Llama thinks I'd squirm. Really insightful to believe that those with opinions contrary to your own are idiots. I do disagree with pro-choice activists, but I definitely don't think they can't explain their thought-out views.

I never said you were an idiot. I just said I'd get to watch you squirm if you ever had to have a factual discussion about abortion. And, it amuses me that someone would even consider using an anti-abortion opinion as a reason to not like a band. Not liking a band over some issues? Ok. Not liking a band because they donate to planned parenthood? Dumb.

Edit: sorry for the spam. Didn't think the first one went through and I realized I wasn't done yet, anyways.

[Thomas Tambasco]

Here's the thing; if I give money to DMB, a portion of that goes to Dave, and a portion of that goes to the Horton Foundation. I am curious if the Horton Foundation currently supports abortion. It isn't a stretch to say that if they do, I am giving money to organizations like Planned Parenthood. I don't care what Dave's views are, I just want to know if I am contributing to them.

Yes, I guess you could look at it that way. But if so, maybe you should quit your job and stop paying taxes. Since your tax dollars go to the same place.

[tk13]

hey dolly llama and ants,

do u like monkey sex or what. lets go and have a factual discussion

[tk13]

[QUOTE=DollyLlama]Then you should sell all your DMB CDs and give the money to an anti-abortion group. I HATE DMB> Maybe picket in from of DMB shows. Then, if I ever see you at a show I can ask you why you'd have such a strong opinion about this and watch you squirm. It would be



what u hate dmb

[il bacio dolce]

Here's the thing; if I give money to DMB, a portion of that goes to Dave, and a portion of that goes to the Horton Foundation. I am curious if the Horton Foundation currently supports abortion. It isn't a stretch to say that if they do, I am giving money to organizations like Planned Parenthood. I don't care what Dave's views are, I just want to know if I am contributing to them.

You seem to be passionate in your stand against abortion, and that much is admirable, but if you really do like Dave's and his band's music, that should decide for you whether you want to listen to it. They have enough money between them that if they never made another penny from the cds and tickets you as an individual buy, they would still have plenty of money, and if they do donate to support Planned Parenthood, they're gonna do it with or without you. Just let it go, enjoy the music. Find other ways to fight against things like this. Ways that actually make some kind of difference. Are you registered to vote yet?

[il bacio dolce]

Dolly Llama thinks I'd squirm. Really insightful to believe that those with opinions contrary to your own are idiots. I do disagree with pro-choice activists, but I definitely don't think they can't explain their thought-out views.

Everybody has the attitude that any opinion contrary to their own is wrong. This is something you'll have to put up with here. It never ceases to piss me off but I know it isn't true.

[jowens41]

Yes, I guess you could look at it that way. But if so, maybe you should quit your job and stop paying taxes. Since your tax dollars go to the same place.
I'd say you've hit it right on the head. It's good for people to have views and to stick by their guns. But if you chose this route, you'd have to research every company and every manufacturer in the world so that you could figure out what you could and could not buy/support. It is impossible to live life this way...it just isn't feasible. If you're going to boycott one thing that goes against your beliefs, you have to boycott everything that does the same. One can't pick and choose. But once again, kudos for your willingness to take a stand.....