Poll: If election day was today...

[dpresti]

who would you vote for?

[The Difference]

I believe Bush is the better choice.

[dpresti]

come on people.... VOTE!

[JanelleM]

Bush

[tdowe99]

http://www.antsmarching.org/forum/showthread.php?t=114450

[Carbon Copy]

http://www.antsmarching.org/forum/showthread.php?t=114450

u gotta refresh polls every now and again ;)

[Daevian]

Fuck it I'd vote for me cause I'm straight up the shit.

[saygoodbye12]

I'd vote for other....but I hope Bush wins over Kerry.

[marco j]

I'd vote for other....but I hope Bush wins over Kerry.


why? what the hell is wrong with you you seem to be intelligent?

especially when shit like tis goes down.http://www.2600.com/rnc2004/

[saygoodbye12]

why? what the hell is wrong with you you seem to be intelligent?

especially when shit like tis goes down.http://www.2600.com/rnc2004/
If there was a better democratic candidate I might have voted for them. But I despise Kerry and do not want to see him in office.

So between the 2, Bush is my choice.

However, I cannot and will not vote for him because of his stances on social issues that I hold close to my heart.

[marco j]

If there was a better democratic candidate I might have voted for them. But I despise Kerry and do not want to see him in office.

So between the 2, Bush is my choice.

However, I cannot and will not vote for him because of his stances on social issues that I hold close to my heart.


then i beg you . please just skip nov2nd?!?! i still don't know why you would say someone who stands AGAINST things you hold dear to your heart is a better choice than someone who you hate for???? you haven't given any reasons even coming close to......However, I cannot and will not vote for him because of his stances on social issues that I hold close to my heart

i think you need to reflect a little more . seriously.

[saygoodbye12]

then i beg you . please just skip nov2nd?!?! i still don't know why you would say someone who stands AGAINST things you hold dear to your heart is a better choice than someone who you hate for???? you haven't given any reasons even coming close to......However, I cannot and will not vote for him because of his stances on social issues that I hold close to my heart

i think you need to reflect a little more . seriously.
Why would I skip it? I voted for Bush last time and if he wasn't so eager to appeal to the far right, I would most likely be voting for him again.

I agree with his tax cuts, I agreed with the war, while I think the NCLB Act is a waste of paper, he has funded education SO much more than Clinton did and I have benefited from that money directly.

I think Kerry would do a horrible job and do not want to see him president. He has not shown me one thing that proves he would be even slightly better than Bush. I believe he will raise my taxes no matter what he says...and i fucking pay enough in taxes already. It's ridiculous. I could go issue by issue but I just did 5 lesson plans so I'm not in the mood. :p

Plus, as far as these social issues go, Kerry isn't that much better that it would push me over to his side. Plainly, he sucks and I think the dems made a huge mistake...or the right choice if they want Hillary in '08.

The fact that I'm not voting for Bush, is my own little form of a protest. That's all...especially since I know he will miss my vote terribly. :thumbsup

[Daevian]

Why would I skip it? I voted for Bush last time and if he wasn't so eager to appeal to the far right, I would most likely be voting for him again.

I agree with his tax cuts, I agreed with the war, while I think the NCLB Act is a waste of paper, he has funded education SO much more than Clinton did and I have benefited from that money directly.

I think Kerry would do a horrible job and do not want to see him president. He has not shown me one thing that proves he would be even slightly better than Bush. I believe he will raise my taxes no matter what he says...and i fucking pay enough in taxes already. It's ridiculous. I could go issue by issue but I just did 5 lesson plans so I'm not in the mood. :p

Plus, as far as these social issues go, Kerry isn't that much better that it would push me over to his side. Plainly, he sucks and I think the dems made a huge mistake...or the right choice if they want Hillary in '08.

The fact that I'm not voting for Bush, is my own little form of a protest. That's all...especially since I know he will miss my vote terribly. :thumbsup
I never consider tax raises as an issue because the government wants all your money anyway and are going to steal it from you whether you like it or not. Not raising taxes=delaying the inevitable.

[saygoodbye12]

I never consider tax raises as an issue because the government wants all your money anyway and are going to steal it from you whether you like it or not. Not raising taxes=delaying the inevitable.
But I like the delusion that I'm actually keeping more of my money. :lol

[mwjorgens]

he has funded education SO much more than Clinton did and I have benefited from that money directly.




what? are you kidding me? where on gods green earth are you getting that crazy idea??? please let me know asap

[saygoodbye12]

what? are you kidding me? where on gods green earth are you getting that crazy idea??? please let me know asap This crazy idea is fact my friend. I live it every day. I teach a special education class in an urban school district. The entire school falls under the Title I entitlement program...Ever heard of it? Under Bush, money for this program hasd sky rocketed.

I have an amazing amount of resources, including a full time behavior specialist, new books and we now have a psychology staff within the school (I teach kids with emotional disturbances) If you know any teachers, tell them this and I bet you they'll be jealous.

But of course, I'm sure my professional experience means shit on a message board, so here are your facts from one of the most UNbiased sources out there:

federal aid to education has increased sharply under Bush. Funding for the Department of Education rose 58% during Bush's first three years, a bigger increase than during the previous eight years under Clinton.

http://www.factcheck.org/article.aspx?docID=181

Is it enough? Of course not. But I'll take that increase over what schools were receiving throughout the 90's anyday.

[marco j]

This crazy idea is fact my friend. I live it every day. I teach a special education class in an urban school district. The entire school falls under the Title I entitlement program...Ever heard of it? Under Bush, money for this program hasd sky rocketed.

I have an amazing amount of resources, including a full time behavior specialist, new books and we now have a psychology staff within the school (I teach kids with emotional disturbances) If you know any teachers, tell them this and I bet you they'll be jealous.

But of course, I'm sure my professional experience means shit on a message board, so here are your facts from one of the most UNbiased sources out there:

federal aid to education has increased sharply under Bush. Funding for the Department of Education rose 58% during Bush's first three years, a bigger increase than during the previous eight years under Clinton.

http://www.factcheck.org/article.aspx?docID=181

Is it enough? Of course not. But I'll take that increase over what schools were receiving throughout the 90's anyday.


i need to ask you this question.

you are aware that the quote of increase of 58% increase of funding for the Department of Education can apply to just say...one section of the department?!?

for instance this 58% percent increase does not mean ....overall growth.
if it did it would imply spending over the entire education department. this quote does not however.
in otherwords. it can mean an increase of 58% in any portion spending .
it could be an increase in transportaion. who knows ?!? that quote sure doesn't say . maybe he (bush)increased spending on special needs schools ?!?! great! i applaud it , but it doesn't negate the neglect he has been showing to the majority of shoools around the country. here in chicago things are not looking bright right now.

[mwjorgens]

This crazy idea is fact my friend. I live it every day. I teach a special education class in an urban school district. The entire school falls under the Title I entitlement program...Ever heard of it? Under Bush, money for this program hasd sky rocketed.

I have an amazing amount of resources, including a full time behavior specialist, new books and we now have a psychology staff within the school (I teach kids with emotional disturbances) If you know any teachers, tell them this and I bet you they'll be jealous.

But of course, I'm sure my professional experience means shit on a message board, so here are your facts from one of the most UNbiased sources out there:

federal aid to education has increased sharply under Bush. Funding for the Department of Education rose 58% during Bush's first three years, a bigger increase than during the previous eight years under Clinton.

http://www.factcheck.org/article.aspx?docID=181

Is it enough? Of course not. But I'll take that increase over what schools were receiving throughout the 90's anyday.

i dont need your facts, so i wont bother to check them. my brother is a teacher, his bestfriend, his girlfriend, all their friends. all teachers, all complain every day about having no money. they are expected to do more with less. they are held accountable for their kids performance but get nothing that will aid that performance. i know that handicapped kids get money, i know that if there is only one child in a wheelchair out of a district of one million they have to accomondate him. so you are a small exception. on the whole education is suffering and it is only getting exponetially worse. we send billions upon billions of dollars to iraq when that money should stay here. 1 billion, just 1 billion which is pennies in our defense budget would go a long way in our schools.

[saygoodbye12]

i dont need your facts, so i wont bother to check them. my brother is a teacher, his bestfriend, his girlfriend, all their friends. all teachers, all complain every day about having no money. they are expected to do more with less. they are held accountable for their kids performance but get nothing that will aid that performance. i know that handicapped kids get money, i know that if there is only one child in a wheelchair out of a district of one million they have to accomondate him. so you are a small exception. on the whole education is suffering and it is only getting exponetially worse. we send billions upon billions of dollars to iraq when that money should stay here. 1 billion, just 1 billion which is pennies in our defense budget would go a long way in our schools. Considering my ENTIRE school is under Title I, everyone (including regular education) reap the benefits.

And "handicapped kids" in the past have not gotten money. Special Education as a whole is still in big trouble. It was (and I'm failry certain it still is) one of the most underfunded parts of the entire educational system. And this wasn't just under Clinton so I'm certainly not just blaming him.

And as I said, it doesn't mean it's enough. But it has increased, and that was all I said.

And considering we are in Iraq, and Bush has still managed to raise funding by 58% that should tell you a little something about just what kind of importance Clinton placed on education.

Kerry has said he supported the NCLBA and you are only fooling yourself if you think education will drastically improve under him. Presidents claim they want to help our kids succeed, but they never show it with the money that is so depserately needed.
you are aware that the quote of increase of 58% increase of funding for the Department of Education can apply to just say...one section of the department?!? Except that's not the case, so it doesn't really matter.

[saygoodbye12]

i dont need your facts, so i wont bother to check them. my brother is a teacher, his bestfriend, his girlfriend, all their friends. all teachers, all complain every day about having no money. they are expected to do more with less. they are held accountable for their kids performance but get nothing that will aid that performance. i know that handicapped kids get money,
Also, you need to remember school budgets are done within state and then locally. So it's not even all the president's fault. Some school districts have such poor money management skills that their schools are a mess mainly due to their own incompetence.

Oh and you didn't answer my question...You do know what Title I is right? Title 1 is not just based on special education needs. It is based on economic need. It is there to help the underpriveleged.

[Mickey Carson]

And "handicapped kids" in the past have not gotten money. Special Education as a whole is still in big trouble. It was (and I'm failry certain it still is) one of the most underfunded parts of the entire educational system. And this wasn't just under Clinton so I'm certainly not just blaming him...

I believe ESL has eclipsed Special Education in this respect but you're right of course.

Kerry has said he supported the NCLBA and you are only fooling yourself if you think education will drastically improve under him. Presidents claim they want to help our kids succeed, but they never show it with the money that is so depserately needed.

But you somewhat contradict yourself by illustrating this dramatic increase in funding because of Dubya...one President can make a difference, especially if he follows through and backs all of the proposed increases in funding (instead of drastically slashing after-school program funding for example).

[saygoodbye12]

I believe ESL has eclipsed Special Education in this respect but you're right of course.
I forgot about ESL...what a disaster that has become.


But you somewhat contradict yourself by illustrating this dramatic increase in funding because of Dubya...one President can make a difference, especially if he follows through and backs all of the proposed increases in funding (instead of drastically slashing after-school program funding for example). Well what I meant was that it will never (or at least not anytime soon) be at the point where teachers have everything they need, or they receive the support they need to have in order to maintain success among their students.

[mwjorgens]

It is there to help the underpriveleged.
then why are they never helped?

[saygoodbye12]

then why are they never helped? Don't use the word never...that's untrue.

But obviously they suffer because there still isn't enough money. But there is more than there used to be.

I work in a school that has 89% of it's kids living below the poverty level. Their test scores have increased tremendously and we've seen an overall improvement academically. But again, every student in the school benefits from the Title I entitlement. (because it's such a high percentage, it's school wide)

In a lot of schools, Title I goes only to those students who qualify for it and everyone else is left with little to nothing.


Last year, I worked in Long Island in an elementary school teaching second grade. It was a lower middle class neighborhood, predominately African-American. However, all residents paid a separate school tax, so schools were well taken of.

Unlike in the city, where teachers are buying their own books and supplying their kids with school necessities because otherwise they'd be in an empty room with no resources.

Time for bed though :) We have a delayed start tomorrow but I still should have been in bed an hour ago. :p

[mwjorgens]

Don't use the word never...that's untrue.

But obviously they suffer because there still isn't enough money. But there is more than there used to be.

I work in a school that has 89% of it's kids living below the poverty level. Their test scores have increased tremendously and we've seen an overall improvement academically. But again, every student in the school benefits from the Title I entitlement. (because it's such a high percentage, it's school wide)

In a lot of schools, Title I goes only to those students who qualify for it and everyone else is left with little to nothing.


Last year, I worked in Long Island in an elementary school teaching second grade. It was a lower middle class neighborhood, predominately African-American. However, all residents paid a separate school tax, so schools were well taken of.

Unlike in the city, where teachers are buying their own books and supplying their kids with school necessities because otherwise they'd be in an empty room with no resources.

Time for bed though :) We have a delayed start tomorrow but I still should have been in bed an hour ago. :p
almost a solid argument...way to throw out your worthless stats and then make a grant to the oppostion by saying something about african-americans. you hit on something though, teachers buying supplies for their kids, so they might fucking learn something and make something of themselves. who cares about that though? no one. i hope my kids never get someone like you teaching them

[docdmb40]

This crazy idea is fact my friend. I live it every day. I teach a special education class in an urban school district. The entire school falls under the Title I entitlement program...Ever heard of it? Under Bush, money for this program hasd sky rocketed.


But of course, I'm sure my professional experience means shit on a message board, so here are your facts from one of the most UNbiased sources out there:

federal aid to education has increased sharply under Bush. Funding for the Department of Education rose 58% during Bush's first three years, a bigger increase than during the previous eight years under Clinton.

http://www.factcheck.org/article.aspx?docID=181

Is it enough? Of course not. But I'll take that increase over what schools were receiving throughout the 90's anyday.


The "No Child Left Behind Act" States that 100% of all students will pass Graduation Qualifying Exams the first time they take them. If this is not achieved then the school is considered a failure and must then pay for students in their districts to go to schools that passed NCLB. Which in essence would make the good schools better and the bad schools worse.

Try to get 100% of anybody to pass any test and you'll understand how this threatens public education. Let teachers teach, Education is a state issue anyway the federal government should stay out of it.

[saygoodbye12]

almost a solid argument...way to throw out your worthless stats and then make a grant to the oppostion by saying something about african-americans. you hit on something though, teachers buying supplies for their kids, so they might fucking learn something and make something of themselves. who cares about that though? no one. i hope my kids never get someone like you teaching them :lol

A little angry are we.

And why wouldn't I say something about African Americans when that was the majority of the kids who I had in my class. Valley Stream, NY. South Valley Stream to be exact, right off the Belt Parkway. Look the neighborhood up some time and then tell me I was wrong in what I said.

[saygoodbye12]

The "No Child Left Behind Act" States that 100% of all students will pass Graduation Qualifying Exams the first time they take them. If this is not achieved then the school is considered a failure and must then pay for students in their districts to go to schools that passed NCLB. Which in essence would make the good schools better and the bad schools worse.

Try to get 100% of anybody to pass any test and you'll understand how this threatens public education. Let teachers teach, Education is a state issue anyway the federal government should stay out of it. I'm not sure that's true but it might be. From what I understand, each school must make their AYP (Adequate Yearly Progress) If they don't they're in big trouble. By 2014 the rate they must reach is 100%. Which is absolutley ridiculous.

Especially considering they make the special education students take the same test and count their scores with everyone else in the school. It just isn't logical.

If Kerry had stood up and said, I think this Act is a joke and I will work to get rid of it, I would have considered voting for him. But instead, he agrees it's important and will work to "strengthen it" Which is ridiculous because there will still be the same unreasonable standards and the pressure on teachers to just teach to the test so that the schools stay above the line.

(I absolutely agree with school choice though.)

[brucedroberts]

George Bush is the best choice. He is already proven he won't back down in the face of adversity. We really need a leader like that. Who's not afraid. Contrary ot what the liberal media would like you tho belive, he is an honest and upright man.

Bush is a brave and fearless leader. I am proud of my son Joshua who is in the US Army. He is not afraid of those bastards over there in Iraq. He was there for a year and is going back in January. When I see the beheading videos and the executions and the mass graves and the like, I am glad we are over there fighting. God forbid that evil comes onto our soil! It already has (9/11) and has not since because they know Bush is as serious as a heart attack about fighting terrorism.

I have heard so many say the war in Iraq is over oil? Come on folks... what if it really is over oil? Don't you like driving your car? Don't you enjoy a warm house in the winter?

Even so, Bush is the best choice in 2004. Kerry is a limp wristed wuss that wouldn't know how to lead a den of cub scouts. If you really want a "sronger America" as they are touting, you have to vote for George W. Bush.

[MoBb]

"I have heard so many say the war in Iraq is over oil? Come on folks... what if it really is over oil? Don't you like driving your car? Don't you enjoy a warm house in the winter?"


I`m not sure the war was for oil, but that statement just made me sick. Even though I hope your kidding, I see you`re not, which is pretty sad. I don`t think you and I could agree on anything, ever. You obviously believe your President, and believe what your goverment has done during this war, something I find hard to understand when you think of all the uncovered lies and scare-motivated tactics you`ve been a subject to (obviously..). The whole world has. I think Americans need a President that`s smart, uses the English language, and doesn`t have the narrow and ignorant way of thinking that George W Bush have displayed over these four years. Bush is not brave. He`s a scared little texan posing as a tough-guy, which I think is pretty easy to see, just by watching an interview where he`s confronted with tough questions (not saying that happens very often).

He (Bush) in great length supported the war in Vietnam, but didn`t have the stones to go over there and fight. Kerry did just that, and he put his money where his mouth was. My point is; anyone can point out a country and say- "bomb this country to pieces", but not everyone have the brain to think things through.

Your patriotism scares me, quite frankly.

Btw, I wish your son all the luck in the world.

[brucedroberts]

Gee, I hope you don't think John Kerry is a Vietnam Hero? The guy is a joke... BIGTIME! You want to know what scary is, it's John Kerry living at the White House. (and I thank God he won't be since George will be winning by a landslide - no kidding... the polls are tainted)

If you could put John Kerry's brain in a mosquito it would fly backwards! The guy is a phoney! A communist plant. He's for everything I'm against. Again, I thank God he won't be moving in to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue in January. He couldn't fight his way out of a paper sack. If he thinks he has brains and that those brains could have avoided a 9/11 he's a NUT!

Good day!

[MoBb]

"I have heard so many say the war in Iraq is over oil? Come on folks... what if it really is over oil? Don't you like driving your car? Don't you enjoy a warm house in the winter?"




I wish your son all the luck in the world.


I`m not sure the war was for oil, but that statement just made me sick. Even though I hope your kidding, I see you`re not, which is pretty sad. I don`t think you and I could agree on anything, ever. You obviously believe your President, and believe what your goverment has done during this war, something I find hard to understand when you think of all the uncovered lies and scare-motivated tactics you`ve been a subject to (obviously..). The whole world has. I think Americans need a President that`s smart, uses the English language, and doesn`t have the narrow and ignorant way of thinking that George W Bush have displayed over these four years. Bush is not brave, he`s a scared little texan posing as a tough-guy, which I think is pretty easy to see, just by watching an interview where he`s confronted with tough questions (not saying that happens very often).

He (Bush) in great length supported the war in Vietnam, but didn`t have the stones to go over there and fight. Kerry did just that, and he put his money where his mouth was. I can`t believe someone would think Kerry would be "soft" on terrorism, that`s just plain ignorance. My point is; anyone can point out a country and say- "bomb this country to pieces"- but not everyone have the brain to think things through. If the US wants more terrorism in the world, and continue to act arrogant in terms of this goverments foreign policy, then go ahead- vote Bush `04.

It`s sad seeing the US drifting further away from Europe, and business relationships weakened because of this President. This conflict have divided the world, I just hope Kerry will do something about this, or atleast try. It`s obvious that Bush won`t.

Your patriotism scares me, quite frankly.

[MoBb]

Sorry about not deleting my first (unintentional) post..

[MoBb]

Gee, I hope you don't think John Kerry is a Vietnam Hero? The guy is a joke... BIGTIME! You want to know what scary is, it's John Kerry living at the White House. (and I thank God he won't be since George will be winning by a landslide - no kidding... the polls are tainted)

If you could put John Kerry's brain in a mosquito it would fly backwards! The guy is a phoney! A communist plant. He's for everything I'm against. Again, I thank God he won't be moving in to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue in January. He couldn't fight his way out of a paper sack. If he thinks he has brains and that those brains could have avoided a 9/11 he's a NUT!

Good day!


:ugh: :freak :rolleyes: :lol

[pedelen99]

If there was a better democratic candidate I might have voted for them. But I despise Kerry and do not want to see him in office.

So between the 2, Bush is my choice.

However, I cannot and will not vote for him because of his stances on social issues that I hold close to my heart.

I like this. It's not my choice, but it's a well reasoned choice and I respect it.

Can I ask if you're third partying for Nader or Banderik? (did I spell that right? You know you're a third party candidate when people can't spell your name...)

- Phil

[pedelen99]

Gee, I hope you don't think John Kerry is a Vietnam Hero? The guy is a joke... BIGTIME! You want to know what scary is, it's John Kerry living at the White House. (and I thank God he won't be since George will be winning by a landslide - no kidding... the polls are tainted)

If you could put John Kerry's brain in a mosquito it would fly backwards! The guy is a phoney! A communist plant. He's for everything I'm against. Again, I thank God he won't be moving in to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue in January. He couldn't fight his way out of a paper sack. If he thinks he has brains and that those brains could have avoided a 9/11 he's a NUT!

Good day!

And then there's this... sometimes I'm happy to see people voting for the other guy. I'll seriously start questioning my values when someone like this starts supporting the same candidates that I do...

- Phil

[saygoodbye12]

I like this. It's not my choice, but it's a well reasoned choice and I respect it.

Can I ask if you're third partying for Nader or Banderik? (did I spell that right? You know you're a third party candidate when people can't spell your name...)

- Phil
Looks like I'm voting for Badnarik, since I live in PA now and Nader isn't on the ballot.

Someone said I could still vote for him but I'm not sure how that would work.

[pedelen99]

Looks like I'm voting for Badnarik, since I live in PA now and Nader isn't on the ballot.

Someone said I could still vote for him but I'm not sure how that would work.

I think Badnarik is going to be a factor, and I wouldn't be surprised if he does better than Nader. I know a couple conservatives that won't support Bush and can't stomach Kerry... they're talking about voting Badnarik.

- Phil

[canyonfool]

A little more than 48 hours from now the real fiasco will begin. I think this will be worse than the 2000 election was, and an even closer race.

[mwjorgens]

A little more than 48 hours from now the real fiasco will begin. I think this will be worse than the 2000 election was, and an even closer race.
yep. pray for our country. our way of life. our history. mankind.

[Head In Hands]

I believe Bush is the better choice.
:thumbsup

[mwjorgens]

:thumbsup
poltical forum! so invert that :thumbsup and now we're talking!!!!

[Head In Hands]

poltical forum! so invert that :thumbsup and now we're talking!!!!


sure if you put a donkey in front of that thumbsdown.

[opiskelija]

yep. pray for our country. our way of life. our history. mankind.

pray for my sanity come wednesday morning when I walk into my office if there is some huge fiasco with the election. Some of my colleagues are so far left they make me look like a fascist at times.

[mwjorgens]

sure if you put a donkey in front of that thumbsdown.
"you cant get a piece of elephant"

now can you?!?!!?

[Head In Hands]

"you cant get a piece of elephant"

now can you?!?!!?



are you medicated?

lol....jk i have no idea what youre talking about lol

[mwjorgens]

are you medicated?

lol....jk i have no idea what youre talking about lol
ive been drinking tonight but im not medicated.

you have no idea what im talking about? i think you do and are being difficult, either way ill explain.

dems= ass
pubs= elephant

"i got some ass tonight"
"i got some elephant tonight"

which have you heard, which have you gotten a piece of? its just a dumb liberal joke that makes a funny t-shirt.

[DMBfan41]

Kerry! Kerry!

[Head In Hands]

im sure if i really wanted some elephant i could pull that...but i dont, ill just settle for voting for bush on tuesday.

[mwjorgens]

im sure if i really wanted some elephant i could pull that...but i dont, ill just settle for voting for bush on tuesday.

jebus have pitty on this mans (she is female) soul

[Head In Hands]

as i pity yours

[mwjorgens]

as i pity yours
because im voting for whats good for your country, the world, mankind and logic? please pity me, please.

[RJ2kWJ]

because im voting for whats good for your country, the world, mankind and logic? please pity me, please.
The sad thing is, you probably HONESTLY BELIEVE that he is bad for mankind and the world etc. etc.

I have friends that are THE most hardcore dem. out there and they even admit that Bush isnt bad for mankind they just think Kerry will do a better job.

[Holla9]

The sad thing is, you probably HONESTLY BELIEVE that he is bad for mankind and the world etc. etc.

I have friends that are THE most hardcore dem. out there and they even admit that Bush isnt bad for mankind they just think Kerry will do a better job.


People are getting themselves so worked up that they think all hell will break lose and the world will come to an end if Bush is re-elected. Its rediculous.

[crosscg]

"you cant get a piece of elephant"

now can you?!?!!?
Look at my avatar... it is possible

[bseitz]

And then there's this... sometimes I'm happy to see people voting for the other guy. I'll seriously start questioning my values when someone like this starts supporting the same candidates that I do...

- Phil
You apparently haven't taken a good look around to see who's pulling the same lever you are.

[Head In Hands]

because im voting for whats good for your country, the world, mankind and logic? please pity me, please.


youre probably voting because the media is liberal trash and you are talking out of your ass. So yes I do pity you, but not because you're a bad person, but because you are probably misinformed and are getting swept up in the hype of this election.

It's all about the middle of the road folks...and I sincerely doubt that any president could so drastically change our way of life that you would be affected on a daily basis...but thats just my personal opinion...you vote for whoever you want. I'll be voting for Bush.