LOST (the tv show)

[TwoStep2888]

I liked when Jack asked where the ping pong table came from and Sawyer says something like "It came out of the purple haze and if we don't play on it every 108 minutes the island will explode." :lol

:lol That was great.

[GinaNMU]

I liked when Jack asked where the ping pong table came from and Sawyer says something like "It came out of the purple haze and if we don't play on it every 108 minutes the island will explode." :lol

:lol That was awesome. Yeah Sawyer has me cracking up every week. One of the best characters.

[Route_2]

How about Kate and Sawyer's weepy sex? If there's one thing I've learned in my years, its don't have sex with a woman who is crying.

[UNC41]

How about Kate and Sawyer's weepy sex? If there's one thing I've learned in my years, its don't have sex with a woman who is crying.

If there's one thing I've learned in my years, it's have sex with Kate.

[Route_2]

If there's one thing I've learned in my years, it's have sex with Kate.

touche

[JimiThang1]

:lol Possible! Funny to think about though.

Yeah, last night was lame, if you ask me. It was pretty obvious how the episode would play out from the opening. Desmond thinks Penny's coming, he'll ultimately decide to save Charlie, and then of course it's totally not Penny. Meh.
I enjoyed it...it was another good character episode which there hasn't been enough of this season IMO.

[JimiThang1]

I'd have Maggie Grace, so he'd feel right at home!
Maybe in your dreams? :lol

[WHO DEY!!!]

How about Kate and Sawyer's weepy sex? If there's one thing I've learned in my years, its don't have sex with a woman who is crying.

That is soooo fucking true!!!

[DMBand520]

My friend just sent me this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=No_Lfsr4jbg

It's kind of lame, but I guess it's funny if you saw the "Dick-in-a-box" skit that JT did on SNL.

[malarks26]

:lol That was awesome. Yeah Sawyer has me cracking up every week. One of the best characters.

:thumbsup :thumbsup

I agree, Sawyer is one of the best characters on the show. If they get rid of him at some point I'm sure they'd piss off a lot of viewers.

[tankdan]

...Oh and speaking of the Arctic duo hired by Penny that we saw in s2 finale, let's not forget that in their dialogue once they noticed the computer activating, they said something to the affect of "Oh crap, did we miss it AGAIN?" ...

I think I heard that when it happened, but I have completely forgotten about it since then. Good work.

I too like Charlie.

Although, if I were Dom, I would probably have a serious complex about having my girl Evie (who is HOTTTTT) fooling around with a guy who looks like Sawyer, even if it is just acting.

If I were him, I'd be hitting up the producers for a Charlie/Claire hump scene.

Ummm... Charlie and Kate are dating in real life?

THAT is gross. Charlie is a dirty-looking, boy-faced, annoying-accent little man. Evangeline Lilly is... a godess.

so wait... i apparently missed this picture last night.

what was it... and when in the episode was it?

Look below, Andrew...

http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/8705/picture1ab9.jpg

I always thought that picture of Penny and Des looked photoshopped too and then it turned out it was in front of a backdrop and that is why it looked funny. Maybe the head monk and Hawking got their photo snapped at the same outdoor photo vendor. ???

Could be... Could be... I doubt it. I don't think it was intentionally meant to look fake.

I liked when Jack asked where the ping pong table came from and Sawyer says something like "It came out of the purple haze and if we don't play on it every 108 minutes the island will explode." :lol

GREAT line. I really hope Jack is sleeping with Juliette, because it's a shame for a dirtbag like Sawyer to be having the most sex of anyone on the Island.

How about Kate and Sawyer's weepy sex? If there's one thing I've learned in my years, its don't have sex with a woman who is crying.

If there's one thing I've learned in my years, it's have sex with Kate.

GREAT interchange, you two... I spit up some of the water I was drinking...

All in all, I liked last night's episode, if only because the helicopter falling into the ocean supports the snow-globe theory.

Dan

[tdowe99]

I don't think they'll ever get rid of Jack, Kate, or Sawyer by choice.
The only way they'll die is if they don't renew a contract or something.

[Route_2]

All in all, I liked last night's episode, if only because the helicopter falling into the ocean supports the snow-globe theory.

Dan

So would you say that breaching the snow-globe perimeter is what caused the helicopter to malfunction and ditch in the ocean?

And another point, if someone is coming in on a helicopter then they must have taken off from a ship or another piece of land nearby. What is the range of an average helicopter? Can't be more than 1000 miles. Maybe I'm wrong.

[snapmcd]

So would you say that breaching the snow-globe perimeter is what caused the helicopter to malfunction and ditch in the ocean?

And another point, if someone is coming in on a helicopter then they must have taken off from a ship or another piece of land nearby. What is the range of an average helicopter? Can't be more than 1000 miles. Maybe I'm wrong.

That's a really good question--I hadn't considered that! The first hit on google:

Today's modern charter helicopters are typically powered by a single jet engine or dual jet engines and fly at speeds up to 175 mph for average ranges of 100-350 miles.

But I'm sure there are military rescue type helicopters than can go much further.

[tdowe99]

I still don't see how a helicopter that crashes 1 mile out to sea can dump a pilot 3+ miles inland.
And yes, some military helicopters do have ejection seats; the rotors blow out and then the seat goes.

[uneverknow14]

I still don't see how a helicopter that crashes 1 mile out to sea can dump a pilot 3+ miles inland.
And yes, some military helicopters do have ejection seats; the rotors blow out and then the seat goes.

why not? she ejected out of the copter, and opened her shoot...she easily could have been carried by the wind for a few miles.

[JTRocks]

I still don't see how a helicopter that crashes 1 mile out to sea can dump a pilot 3+ miles inland.
And yes, some military helicopters do have ejection seats; the rotors blow out and then the seat goes.

The pilot had a parachute, so they very well may have ejected out of the helicopter and drifted a few miles inland. I just hope that next week they dont completely ignore this storyline like they have with Locke and Anthony Cooper over the last 3 episodes

Question about the "Snow Globe Theory" How does this helicopter crash support that theory? Do you have a link to somewhere that explains this theory?

[Route_2]

The pilot had a parachute, so they very well may have ejected out of the helicopter and drifted a few miles inland. I just hope that next week they dont completely ignore this storyline like they have with Locke and Anthony Cooper over the last 3 episodes

Question about the "Snow Globe Theory" How does this helicopter crash support that theory? Do you have a link to somewhere that explains this theory?

Last year everyone was asking what's going on with Michael when he went to get Walt back from the Others and we didn't see him for weeks. Its just the writer's style to have mini-cliffhangers within the season. It will all be explained in due time.

[tankdan]

So would you say that breaching the snow-globe perimeter is what caused the helicopter to malfunction and ditch in the ocean?

And another point, if someone is coming in on a helicopter then they must have taken off from a ship or another piece of land nearby. What is the range of an average helicopter? Can't be more than 1000 miles. Maybe I'm wrong.

Yes, my theory is that the aircraft crashed because of the snow-globe "perimeter." That's why I was excited that it crashed and didn't just sail right in.

I suppose you could also argue that the helicopter simply ran out of fuel and the pilot had to ditch it in the ocean... which would NOT support the snow-globe theory.

I still don't see how a helicopter that crashes 1 mile out to sea can dump a pilot 3+ miles inland.
And yes, some military helicopters do have ejection seats; the rotors blow out and then the seat goes.

Personally, I don't really believe that it was a helicopter. It just doesn't fit. Why is the pilot in a HALO suit? Why/How would a chopper be out in the middle of the ocean? I think that it was some sort of propellar plane.

The pilot had a parachute, so they very well may have ejected out of the helicopter and drifted a few miles inland. I just hope that next week they dont completely ignore this storyline like they have with Locke and Anthony Cooper over the last 3 episodes

Question about the "Snow Globe Theory" How does this helicopter crash support that theory? Do you have a link to somewhere that explains this theory?

Yes, I hope they don't ignore it... but chances are that they WILL. When was the last time an episode just picked up where the previous one left off? They need to keep jumping around to cover all the stuff they want to cover, and it's better that they spend a week on one story than try to cover all stories in one week (they would have shorter time for each story...).

The snow-globe theory is just my personal theory... I posted a big list and post a few pages back explaining how the Island seems to "attract/lure" wandering vessels, but there is also an element of invisibility AND impenetrability (from the inside).

Let me pull up that post for ya...

Dan

[tankdan]

I've been thinking passively about Lost over the weekend and I wanted to bring back my snow-globe theory (yeh, sure, like I'm the only one who's ever thought of it!)...

Consider all the 'wandering' vessels that have been drawn to the island... CRASHED on the island, infact:

1. Flight 815
2. Yemi's drug plane
3. Henry Gale's balloon
4. Desmond and his boat (when he first arrived and when he tried to leave)
5. Danielle Rousseau and her alleged team
6. The Black Rock

Did I miss anyone? Heck, some of the Others might have crashed there, too, but we haven't been told that yet.

Anyway, that is a considerable list, all told. I firmly believe that the island's ability to "pull in" wanderers is one of its most important mystical characteristics. Dharma may have chosen this island for its 'invisibility' to the outside world or simply because of its 'healing' powers or even the electromagnetic 'heart' of the island. Anyway you look at it, the island itself is somehow super-natural and, I believe, Dharma chose the island for those same qualities.

Now, who knows if Dharma is all about studying the healing process or just studying the psychology of 'pushing a button to save the world.' Personally, I think that Dharma came and did a bunch of psychological studies or assorted studies on human behavior (and animal behavior, because of the polar bears and the shark).

THEN, somehow the Others came into the picture. I don't think any of the Others are leftover from the initial Dharma initiative. I think that Ben's little medical study group came and began a new series of tests concerning the healing powers of the island (plus, did they want to form a Utopia?).

The only thing I can't figure out is Rousseau. Her story according to her is incomplete and unreliable and I look forward to learning more about her.

Okay, I hope I've made sense. I think that there are multiple layers to the population history of the island and they all focus around the island's "snow globe" status and its other special characteristics.

Dan

Add to that list the aircraft that crashed last night, of course...

Dan

[Route_2]

Personally, I don't really believe that it was a helicopter. It just doesn't fit. Why is the pilot in a HALO suit? Why/How would a chopper be out in the middle of the ocean? I think that it was some sort of propellar plane.


Dan

Just my theory, I think it was a helicopter that took off from a nearby location. It is a stretch to associate the sound effect they used as anything but a helicopter. The HALO suit may have been a preventitive measure concerning not knowing what will happen when the island perimeter is broken into. This would actually support your snow-globe theory.

Here is another question. In your theory, is the snow-globe effect a natural occurence of the island or man-made?

[JTRocks]

Well if it ends up being the snow globe theory and they just explain it by saying its a natural occurance, people are gonna be pretty pissed

[malarks26]

Well if it ends up being the snow globe theory and they just explain it by saying its a natural occurance, people are gonna be pretty pissed

I agree...lots of people will be pissed. They might even blow up ABC headquarters. :lol

[Route_2]

Well if it ends up being the snow globe theory and they just explain it by saying its a natural occurance, people are gonna be pretty pissed

I think these writers are too clever for that. God, I hope they prove me right.

[tankdan]

Just my theory, I think it was a helicopter that took off from a nearby location. It is a stretch to associate the sound effect they used as anything but a helicopter. The HALO suit may have been a preventitive measure concerning not knowing what will happen when the island perimeter is broken into. This would actually support your snow-globe theory.

Here is another question. In your theory, is the snow-globe effect a natural occurence of the island or man-made?

First, thanks. I'll have to rewatch it to really take a good listen at the effect... I think my gut is just avoiding the idea of a chopper because it seems so out of place.

It could just be a matter of the Island being close to Antarctica and the chopper having taken off from there... But yes, I guess the HALO thing might just be extra gear, not necessarily an actual HALO suit (oxygen tank)...

In fact, I've long associated the snow-globe theory WITH the natural phenomena of the Island. I think it's at least pretty clear that this isn't just some random Island. It supposedly heals people, it has this smoke monster (man made? who knows...), and it has attracted at least two groups TO the Island for research (Dharma, Juliette's/Ben's medical group). I personally am picturing some movie I saw where there is a huge cloud covering the particular island and the only way to get to it is to hit it...

Was that King Kong? I can't remember...

In fact, I would prefer it to be a natural mystery of the Island for it to be hard to find, to say the least. I would think it's a little weird that some group just came to the Island a built a huge snow-globe around it.

Right?

Dan

[malarks26]

The other thing I've been thinking about is when Juliette told Jack a few episodes back that women couldn't get pregnant and have babies on the island. But I recall a while back where Ben told someone that he was born on the island.

Anybody else remember Ben saying this? I'd like to know how he was born on the island if women couldn't get pregnant on the island prior to Juliette being brought there.

[UNLTrpt]

all in all, the episode really didn't answer anything that important but it did give us some new story lines. Hard to live up to the past couple of episodes we've had.

[MVDMB]

The other thing I've been thinking about is when Juliette told Jack a few episodes back that women couldn't get pregnant and have babies on the island. But I recall a while back where Ben told someone that he was born on the island.

Anybody else remember Ben saying this? I'd like to know how he was born on the island if women couldn't get pregnant on the island prior to Juliette being brought there.



Yeah that sounds familiar, the Juliette thing. Good luck explaining that, writers :haha

[DynastyDrummer1]

Anybody else remember Ben saying this? I'd like to know how he was born on the island if women couldn't get pregnant on the island prior to Juliette being brought there.

Very good point, I remember this as well. Hmmm...

Also, I wonder if Desmond saving Charlie in fact changed the pilot from Penny to random chick.

[UNLTrpt]

Very good point, I remember this as well. Hmmm...

Also, I wonder if Desmond saving Charlie in fact changed the pilot from Penny to random chick.

I just thought of that too. They found the bag, it had all the signs of Penny. He saved Charlie, changed the future and as a result changed her from Penny to 'chute girl.

Its a stretch because why would penny go to the island by herself in just a helicopter? But its possible.

[tosssweep]

Very good point, I remember this as well. Hmmm...

Also, I wonder if Desmond saving Charlie in fact changed the pilot from Penny to random chick.

I thought about that too, but it just doesn't seem to make sense in that how could a person "change" after the crash. Maybe the pilot would have been Penny but became this chick instead if, say, Desmond hadn't got Hurley or Jin to come with initially. I just think it's too far fetched to claim that the last action of saving Charlie altered the actual person hanging in the tree.

Also, Desmond has been wrong about his flashes before. When he was in the past/future/whatever at the bar, he initially recalled the wrong night and then the next night as he was recalling the events he got smacked in the head - NOT his version of the events.

[tankdan]

I thought about that too, but it just doesn't seem to make sense in that how could a person "change" after the crash. Maybe the pilot would have been Penny but became this chick instead if, say, Desmond hadn't got Hurley or Jin to come with initially. I just think it's too far fetched to claim that the last action of saving Charlie altered the actual person hanging in the tree.

Also, Desmond has been wrong about his flashes before. When he was in the past/future/whatever at the bar, he initially recalled the wrong night and then the next night as he was recalling the events he got smacked in the head - NOT his version of the events.

A++

As far as the bar... I think Desmond just couldn't analyze the flash accurately enough at that time. I think he's better now.

Still not buying the "change the space time continuum" thing...

Dan

[malarks26]

I thought about that too, but it just doesn't seem to make sense in that how could a person "change" after the crash. Maybe the pilot would have been Penny but became this chick instead if, say, Desmond hadn't got Hurley or Jin to come with initially. I just think it's too far fetched to claim that the last action of saving Charlie altered the actual person hanging in the tree.

Also, Desmond has been wrong about his flashes before. When he was in the past/future/whatever at the bar, he initially recalled the wrong night and then the next night as he was recalling the events he got smacked in the head - NOT his version of the events.

When the pilot chick came to, she recognized Desmond. It could be his sister or an old girlfriend before Penny...hopefully we'll find out the truth soon.

[uneverknow14]

ok WTF is the snow globe theory?? don't laugh at me, in case this is something i already should know...i watch the show but don't analyze it like you crazies...

[dmb@uvm]

I have a question. In the schedule of flashbacks episode 20 is Karen and Gerald DeGroot...who are they?

[tankdan]

ok WTF is the snow globe theory?? don't laugh at me, in case this is something i already should know...i watch the show but don't analyze it like you crazies...

The snow-globe theory is a little idea I have going on, and I'm sure others do as well, that the Island has some sort of perimeter fence/shield. You can get through it, but only if you know exact coordinations/directions, like the ones that Ben gave to Michael at the end of Season 2.

Check out this big post I made, it sums up a lot of what I've been saying. It is post 9430 in this thread...

http://www.antsmarching.org/forum/showpost.php?p=5918762&postcount=9430

Dan

PLUS: On the last page, I said, "Yes, my theory is that the aircraft crashed because of the snow-globe "perimeter." That's why I was excited that it crashed and didn't just sail right in."

[uneverknow14]

ohhhh i see, i see

[UNLTrpt]

I have a question. In the schedule of flashbacks episode 20 is Karen and Gerald DeGroot...who are they?

http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/DeGroot

[UNLTrpt]

I thought about that too, but it just doesn't seem to make sense in that how could a person "change" after the crash. Maybe the pilot would have been Penny but became this chick instead if, say, Desmond hadn't got Hurley or Jin to come with initially. I just think it's too far fetched to claim that the last action of saving Charlie altered the actual person hanging in the tree.

Also, Desmond has been wrong about his flashes before. When he was in the past/future/whatever at the bar, he initially recalled the wrong night and then the next night as he was recalling the events he got smacked in the head - NOT his version of the events.

I realize that its far fetched...I'm just throwing it out there.

[dh4645]

i love this show and all the crazies that analyze it.

it's good to be alive!

[Route_2]

I have a question. In the schedule of flashbacks episode 20 is Karen and Gerald DeGroot...who are they?

I think its actually a confirmed Ben flashback now, but will contain the Degroots and other Dharma folks.

[Route_2]

Also....

Apparently Roger the workman is Ben's father!!!

[Brant Marshall]

Yea I DVR it and try to wait as long as possible to watch it so I fool myself into thinking the next one isn't too far off. I end up watching it about 12 or 1 in the morning though :rolleyes. Excited for tonight, I think we will get some answers on wtf is going on with Desmond and his "powers" (hopefully)


buyer

[junior94]

So a curious little detail I just picked up on, maybe it was just a production mistake, who knows. A couple days ago I borrowed the season 1 box set from a friend at work and, well, let's just say I'm being thorough and backing it up for him... ;) hehe. Anyway I'm going over the final scene of the pilot, when the gang's high atop the island listening to Danielle's message for the first time.

There's a point where you hear the counter's mechanical-type voice, then when the message begans playing after that and when Shannon is starting to translate, the first thing the message begins saying is Danielle saying "Help me, help me please... etc". HOWEVER, briefly later in the scene, when you hear the guy's voice count off one more itteration (& yes, just to be thorough it is technically just one more number above the previous one, so that's accurate), and yet when Danielle's message starts playing again, it's not starting at the same place. When Shannon begins translating again this time it begins with something like "I'm all alone now, it's killed them all... etc etc".

Now this could very well be an aesthetic choice, essentially a way of JJ performing a sort of time cut to allow the audience to hear the whole message (something that supports this as well is that the first time we "hear the message" and Sayid says it's roughly 30 seconds long as a way to establish correctly figuring the calculation, there's no way in hell what they just heard actually in the frame lasted anywhere near that long, but directorially, same point basically) but if this is the case I just found it a bit lazy as an editing choice to have the counter voice very obviously play immediately preceeding a "new part" of the message.

[tankdan]

Kevin, I noticed that when it aired and I definitely think that it was a time-saving edit.

I would still like them to find that radio tower and any other little secrets Rousseau is hiding. I wish we had an official map of the island, a way for the writers to say "Hey, these are the parts of the Island that we haven't visited yet, just so you know..."

I mean, this is a huge Island. There are a bunch of open fields (sonic fence, Hurley's golf course, where Locked knocked out Sayid, where Hurley rolled the van down the hill) and a bunch of high mountains, which we've never really been to the top of. I would love the Losties to find a good map of the Island and use it.

Dan

[junior94]

Going back again to one of my several recent season 1 points -- from having going thru these DVDs -- I'm compelled to mention this about everyone's favorite Mr. Locke, it really does bother me (though applies to very recent events as well). As much as sure, he's certainly still one of my very favorite characters and overall he's shown to be quite intelligent, at the same time in a way how could he be so clueless and shortsighted.

Well of course it was officially revelaed in s2 I think it was that Locke was the guy who brained Sayid early in s1 when he was trying to triangulate Dannielle's signal, the reason (same for the sub explosion) that he doesn't wanna get off hte island. But hello (& yea, I probably brought this up back when the sub bomb was fresh) where does it say that Locke would HAVE to leave the island?? I mean between sabotaging Sayid -- and not just knocking him out but full destroying the remnants of hte radio -- shit this is just downright myopic selfishness we're talking about here. Even if the Coast Guard themselves showed up to rescue everyone, if he REALLY wanted to, Locke could stick around if he wanted to! Whoever would show up they wouldn't literally extract him from the island against his will.

And, skimming thru the episode directly after the Sayid knockout, he's not only lying obviously to Sayid about where he might've been when it happened, he's planting the possibility of Sawyer pulling a fast one on him in Sayid's head, that maybe HE's the one who hit him! Now that's just extra wrong. It's like, go along with your story however long youwant to that you were skinning the boar you caught, but don't then go outta your way to try and implicate someone ELSE, too. Blahhh... see, all the sneaky, underhanded and duplicitous shit that supposedly everyone else on this island has done to make them "weak" and "flawed" individuals -- hello? and Mr. John Locke is a complete saint who is worth of Otherhood? Perhaps not, after all!! :p

[tankdan]

Yeh, I've definitely noticed that some of Locke's actions have been a little mean-spirited.

Same goes for Desmond.

I mean, these folks seem like nice guys but when you are acting completly selfish, that's just dumb. Does Desmond REALLY want Penny so bad that he would sacrifice a friend? Does Locke REALLY want to keep walking so bad that he would screw over, literally, everyone on the Island?

On another note, how long until we get a Jack-Juliette sex scene?

Finally, I think Rousseau is gonna have hell to pay from Charlie if they ever meet again, "DARNIT, YOU WEIRD FRENCH LADY, WOULD YOU PLEASE DISARM ALL OF YOUR TRAPS!"

Dan

[Talula62]

I think one of my least favorite things that happened on the show was that idiotic hallucinogenic mind paste of Locke's. I mean, come on, what the hell was that supposed to be? Never frickin understood that. Smear some shit on Boone's head and suddenly Shannon's getting eaten by a dinosaur? But none of it happened - he was hallucinating? WHAT?

[tankdan]

wow, what a show if you just saw this, i am dying to find out what this "thing" is, this could be a new favorite show of mine :thumbsup ...discuss

Just quoting the first post of this thread...

And we're STILL waiting to find out what the "thing" is...

I wonder if they'll ever explain the magic box thing from a few weeks ago, and, on a related note, I wonder if all of the "ghosts" will ever be explained (Hurley's Dave, Jack's dad, Walt, Yemi, Boone...).

Dan

[Talula62]

About the magic box... I could have sworn some where that I read that the producers or someone said on a radio show that it's just (this is an anticlimatic spoiler) a metaphor.

Did anyone read anything like that? I might be making it up. :lol

[junior94]

Going back again to one of my several recent season 1 points -- from having going thru these DVDs -- I'm compelled to mention this about everyone's favorite Mr. Locke, it really does bother me (though applies to very recent events as well). As much as sure, he's certainly still one of my very favorite characters and overall he's shown to be quite intelligent, at the same time in a way how could he be so clueless and shortsighted.

Well of course it was officially revelaed in s2 I think it was that Locke was the guy who brained Sayid early in s1 when he was trying to triangulate Dannielle's signal, the reason (same for the sub explosion) that he doesn't wanna get off hte island. But hello (& yea, I probably brought this up back when the sub bomb was fresh) where does it say that Locke would HAVE to leave the island?? I mean between sabotaging Sayid -- and not just knocking him out but full destroying the remnants of hte radio -- shit this is just downright myopic selfishness we're talking about here. Even if the Coast Guard themselves showed up to rescue everyone, if he REALLY wanted to, Locke could stick around if he wanted to! Whoever would show up they wouldn't literally extract him from the island against his will.

And, skimming thru the episode directly after the Sayid knockout, he's not only lying obviously to Sayid about where he might've been when it happened, he's planting the possibility of Sawyer pulling a fast one on him in Sayid's head, that maybe HE's the one who hit him! Now that's just extra wrong. It's like, go along with your story however long youwant to that you were skinning the boar you caught, but don't then go outta your way to try and implicate someone ELSE, too. Blahhh... see, all the sneaky, underhanded and duplicitous shit that supposedly everyone else on this island has done to make them "weak" and "flawed" individuals -- hello? and Mr. John Locke is a complete saint who is worth of Otherhood? Perhaps not, after all!! :p

So I was thinking a bit more about this, and strange as it may seem I think I've wound up also coming up with a reasonable way to defend this behavior of Locke's, so really I'm one-stop-shopping, I provide both sides of my own argument :D

Now I certainly don't know this for sure, but after following Locke as long as I (we) have, I feel confident on this educated guess. That Locke is motivated to perform these acts of sabotage not only because he doesn't want to leave, but I think maybe he always doesn't want the group to be rescued as a whole because if that were to ever happen, surely a fairly large contingent of something from the outside would be there. And obviously it wouldn't take them very long to see that this place is kinda special. And so it follows that, and to borrow a classic melodramatic cliche, "if this thing fell into the wrong hands...", you know the government in one of its many forms would basically wanna seize "control" of the island to study it, try to contain it, etc... and this would all be a braze example of, from Locke's POV, the integrity of the island being fucked with. That kind of scenario is the absolute last thing he'd want going on anywhere near his new little Shangri-La.

I hope I explained what I meant well enough, I felt like I just rambled for about 15 minutes :p

[junior94]

I think one of my least favorite things that happened on the show was that idiotic hallucinogenic mind paste of Locke's. I mean, come on, what the hell was that supposed to be? Never frickin understood that. Smear some shit on Boone's head and suddenly Shannon's getting eaten by a dinosaur? But none of it happened - he was hallucinating? WHAT?

Welllll.... though, and as I've said before, that whole overall episode just within its own context has been one of my very favorites in the whole series (and noooooo, not just cause it has so much focus on Shannon :p ) because I thought that device was used really interestingly from a storytelling aspect -- having said that.... I must admit, I'd ALWAYS felt that way about Guru Locke's magic little potion there, it did seem kinda far fetched. I mean, WHAT the hell exactly was he making? And what exactly was he making it FROM?? Locke just knew how to make a hallucinagenic drug from scratch? :lol So yea that point strictly on its own definitely kinda bothered me and always stuck with me. Yea, I feel ya Alli.


Ohhh baby, do I feel ya. ;) :hump :evil

[JTRocks]

Welllll.... though, and as I've said before, that whole overall episode just within its own context has been one of my very favorites in the whole series (and noooooo, not just cause it has so much focus on Shannon :p ) because I thought that device was used really interestingly from a storytelling aspect -- having said that.... I must admit, I'd ALWAYS felt that way about Guru Locke's magic little potion there, it did seem kinda far fetched. I mean, WHAT the hell exactly was he making? And what exactly was he making it FROM?? Locke just knew how to make a hallucinagenic drug from scratch? :lol So yea that point strictly on its own definitely kinda bothered me and always stuck with me. Yea, I feel ya Alli.


Ohhh baby, do I feel ya. ;) :hump :evil


He did work on a marijuana plantation, im sure he learned some crazy shit from those people

[junior94]

Oh and btw almost forgot, as far as the whole Charlie "will he let him die?" thing from this last Desmond episode, it's worth nothing that among all of Des's original jigsaw puzzle of flashes, not only was the one of him getting nailed in the throat by Danielle's arrow trap -- but also when there's the piece of the boys laying out the parachute to catch the girl's body, Charlie can be seen holding on one of the corners ;) So me thinks they goofed, if he was to get killed by the arrow he couldn't have also possibly be helping them fan out the parachute.

[JimiThang1]

So me thinks they goofed, if he was to get killed by the arrow he couldn't have also possibly be helping them fan out the parachute.
Good catch because on the podcast they did say that the sequence did in fact change because he saved Charlie.

[junior94]

Good catch because on the podcast they did say that the sequence did in fact change because he saved Charlie.

Oh okay, hmm. Well because to be honest, I was pointing it out more with the thought of "catching" them, I was thinking that the flash including Charlie holding the canopy came at a spot BEFORE Desmond decided to intervene and save his life, thus it being a mistake. But yea I just rewatched that to see for myself and they were spot on, that particular flash only happened AFTER they already averted disaster, so totally appropriate it was included.

And lordy I brought this up I think in my first major post after watching last week's, that for as many problems I may've had with the episode overall, it did have some great one liners. Those Sawyer ones of "What you two arguin' over, your favorite Other?", and "Table's from the hatch kablamo, we gotta play every 108 minutes or the island will explode" :lol

And of course Hurley had a couple sweet ones....

*the 4 walking thru the jungle, it starts raining out of nowhere*
Hurley (to Desmond): "Thanks for the heads up about bringing an umbrella, dude."

Hurley (to Jin): "Penny's a chick Desmond used to date, and now he thinks she fell from the sky, so now we're gonna go save her life, and she's gonna get us rescued." (Jin looks at him deadpan quiet) "Dude even if I spoke Korean, it wouldn't make any sense..."

:lol

[tosssweep]

About the magic box... I could have sworn some where that I read that the producers or someone said on a radio show that it's just (this is an anticlimatic spoiler) a metaphor.

Did anyone read anything like that? I might be making it up. :lol

I thought it was pretty obvious that the magic box isn't literal. *shrug*

[JTRocks]

I thought it was pretty obvious that the magic box isn't literal. *shrug*

yeah, i think when Ben first mentions the box he says "imagine a box john" or maybe "picture a box john" either way, it was something along those lines where it was meant metaphorically

[Talula62]

Ohhh, so they referenced the "box" in the show pretty much as metaphor then. I was only partially tuned in to that episode and actually don't really remember the box conversation at all. But when people mention it, I think of Al Gore and the "lock box." :lol

Kevin - I think you're giving Locke too much credit with the "if the powers of this island land in the wrong hands" because, a.) it assumes Locke feels it's in the appropriate hands now and I dunno about that and b.) well, I just honestly think he just doesn't want to be left alone on the island if rescue comes. However... if he was ever told that The Others would stay there no matter what (like if they told him specifically that they aren't trying to get off the island) then he wouldn't have to worry about being alone and if he made future attempts to sabotage an escape/exit/rescue, your thoughts could likely be correct.

[CornellDMBfan]

hahaha this is hysterical: watch this video, at least until the 6:30 mark: http://www.thesmokinggun.com/tsgtv/index.html?id=CP12-05&link=TSGTVshlk

[junior94]

Derek, gotta question for ya -- you had played the whole online "The Lost Experience" game (or at least some) right? I was just over on EW's site reading an article and on a "similar links" type of thing at the bottom there was something about last year's Comicon and its bit of Lost. This was all stuff from August of '06, so old obviously, but as part of the article there was a remark about by playing the Experience game, "what's behind those nefarious numbers" will be revealed, someting like that.

Now forgive me, we're going back several months and maybe in fact this has already been talked about on these boards themselves, but do you know what that might be talking about? I mean, I'm sure it's not like the game somehow gave you a clear, definitive answer ala saying exactly what Smokezilla really is or anything, but I still can't help but wonder what they were referring to by that. If you know, that is. Thanks.

[Talula62]

If I recall correctly, the numbers are part of an equation that, when solved, predicts the date and time of the end of the world... I think.

[tankdan]

If I recall correctly, the numbers are part of an equation that, when solved, predicts the date and time of the end of the world... I think.

Sounds familiar from little videos I saw... It was a magic formula that would predict when the world would end. Interesting little stuff for "Lost" fans, I just hope that that's not REALLY what the numbers mean, or at least I hope that's not what the whole series is about.

I'd like to think that the numbers were just part of the psychological study, but it's hard to explain their perseverance in Hurley's life. I could buy a legit explanation during the show that Dharma had actually been working on finding this formula...

Dan

[junior94]

So speaking of all this magic box "is it metaphorical or literal" stuff, and The Numbahs, as part of me revisiting a lot of season 1 stuff lately I just got done going over the first Hurley flashback here. First of all, whether or not this is an actual tie-in by design or not, I thought it at least worth noting that when Hugo visits Leonard in the looney bin and admits to using the Numbahs for the lottery, Leonard responds with: "You shouldn't have done that... you opened the box!"

Take that for what you will....

And going back to the debate of if it was really Locke that was the one plummeting to the ground outside of Hugo's visit to his lawyer here in this s1 episode, well this is a funny one. On one hand, ya gotta say that's an awfully weird thing that they chose to throw in there if there's NO connection, know what I mean? Especially because you know with rabid fans of this show that they'd put the two together (I mean hello, how long did it take for that point to surface after Locke's ep aired last month?) However it they want to say there IS a connection and that indeed was our favorite former regional collections manager, having looked at it far more closely now I feel it was a pretty big production cheat. Because non-believers were using the argument that when you see the outside from Hurley's sitting down POV you can tell the building in the background is much closer than the one was in Locke's background. But it goes well past that. At the very start of the scene, Hurley's standing right at the window looking out and down as his lawyer rambles on, and you see a decent portion of the view, including down to the street. It's a very congested, NY-type atmosphere. With Locke's whether it's definite that there was a courtyard outside the building or not, just as an overall it was clear that the immediate area in which his building resided was far more wide open, a lot more room to walk, buildings were generally further apart from one another. (and of course there's the difference I think was already mentioned that from what we saw, Locke appeared to be back to the ground/looking up towards the sky for his entire flight down to the grass, and the mystery man in Hurley's was facing down as he dropped.


Oh and back to the actual Numbahs real quick, I suppose I was remembering that it was Danielle speaking them in the transmission but of course it wasn't, she changed that one to her distress call 16 years ago. So it just made me realize, one other little sort of sub-mystery to the whole thing we still do'nt know about -- WHO IT WAS that originally made that repeating #s transmission in the first place that Sam Toomey & Leanord heard from their listening post. :cool
And yes, just to double confirm I suppose, Danielle remarks the radio tower as being "up near the Black Rock", even though of course we didn't see nor hear mention of it at all in the s1 finale at the ship itself.

[junior94]

Alright kiddies I'm back with another season 1 contemplation... :D

Now well all know pretty much without a doubt at this point that Locke's "daddy" is the real Sawyer. Well going back and watching Hurley go on about the flight's manifest and the census made me think of something. I remember talk around the net at the reveal of Anthony Cooper aka The Man From Tallahassee, that was he "conjured up" via the magic box, did Ben basically order to have him go be retrieved from the states once he (Ben) was aware of Locke's past and wanted to have this guy there readily available in the future should him need him for something with Locke, so basically kidnapped to the island for Ben's purposes -- OR... was in fact also on flight 815, and has been there all the time? I heard quite a few people bring up this possibility. Well I just thought of a detail that would support that.

Because even as Sawyer remarks to Walt in regards to Ethan not being on the manifest, "ya ever think maybe he just lied about his name?" Of course Walt by then had absolutely no clue of James Ford's true identity, in fact at that point I'm almost positive that only Kate knew that Sawyer wasn't his real name (though didn't know what was). She had just found "the letter" shortly before in the Saywer-Gets-Tortured eppy.
So.... I'd venture to say it's entirely possible that Hurley didn't think anything of it when doing the census that Saywer would cause some kinda hiccup, because there WAS in fact a "Sawyer" listed on the plane's manifest, it just happened to be a guy entirely other than James Ford.

Aaaaaand wonderful, I just bothered to write that all out, when right as I put in that last sentence I realize the fault in my logic. That can't be the case, because by my theory there would've also been a "James Ford" listed on the manifest and Hurley would've noticed when it wasn't one of the deceased (Boone remarks they crossed off the initial dead from the wreckage) and when nobody walking claimed to be the real James Ford.

:shrug Damn. I really thought I was onto something there... :rolleyes :p Oh well, hey I hope at least it was a fun read. :lol


Oh although, I might as well mention this here too, so it's not an entirely wasted post. Sure we can have obvious reasons now and generally recently for why we can't stand Jack, with how annoying and utlimately clueless he is, plenty enough folks even right here in this thread have said it (there always is that *chance* though I suppose that he's in fact the one playing Juliette, he's expecting her to trying to be pullin somethin... but I tend not to believe that) I'm not sure it's really been until going back and deeply revisiting this older eps here that I realize, motherfucker, dude was plenty an annoying fuck even back then!! :lol I mean don't get me wrong, on one hand I totally relate to his perpetual, practically insatiable need to show that he can always "be there" and be unquestionably dependable for people. I know that all too well and how it can end up really running you down unfortunately, I mean one of my biggest things in life is those who are close to me and that I care about knowing absolutely without a doubt that they can always depend on me when they need be, that I'll ALWAYS be there no matter what it takes, I really thrive on my loved ones having that feeling of trust and support with me. BUT... half the time (at least) Jack takes it to a point where it's like HE HAS TO BE THE ONE to do it, to help and to be there, it MUST be him, and actually doing so in a manner that's almost like in a passive-aggressive way implying that everyone else simply doesn't care to really help as much just because they're not showing the same intensity of dedication he is. Know what I mean? So it's like it almost (if not right on) comes across as this sort of self-righteousness, only he knows (& can possibly apply it) thee right thing to do. And holy moly can THAT be annoying, I mean to where you just wanna haul off and put the putz down for if even only for a minute :D

Actually I had some other thoughts concerning Ben and Ethan too, but this is already waaaay too long :lol

[DreamingTree#40]

That is a pretty long post for 6:00 in the morning :lol but I am interested about ben and ethan so do tell more

[junior94]

That is a pretty long post for 6:00 in the morning :lol but I am interested about ben and ethan so do tell more

Mmm yea well.. meh, I've been up all night so.. not like I rolled out under the covers and posted that up :D
Oh and while I'm thinking of, being freshly made and all... I'd had the same desktop image for a long time now, some simple Pearl Jam wallpaper, so I made a piece of my very own custom Shannon Rutherford wallpaper. Guess what scene I might've pulled from... :cool :lol

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b160/junior94/maggiegracedesktop1.jpg

[Route_2]

Concerning the numbers, this is from Lostpedia (which ties together pretty much everything that has been revealed in the show, a great resource):

"It has been revealed in The Lost Experience that these six numbers are the core values of the Valenzetti Equation, a mathematical formula designed to predict the end of humanity. The purpose of the DHARMA Initiative is to change the factors leading to humanity's demise, which will be indicated by an alteration in at least one of these numbers."

And if you want to read more about the actual equation, here you go:

http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Valenzetti_Equation

[Route_2]

Also, concerning "the box" metaphor, in the ABC podcast right after The Man from Tallahassee Lindeloff and Cuse acknowledged that the box was metaphorical. Right before Ben tells Locke about the box he says to Locke something like, "let me put this in terms you can relate to (or understand)." Since Locke worked at a box factory, Ben was using the box metaphor as the something Locke could relate to, or understand.

[DreamingTree#40]

Also, concerning "the box" metaphor, in the ABC podcast right after The Man from Tallahassee Lindeloff and Cuse acknowledged that the box was metaphorical. Right before Ben tells Locke about the box he says to Locke something like, "let me put this in terms you can relate to (or understand)." Since Locke worked at a box factory, Ben was using the box metaphor as the something Locke could relate to, or understand.

That was what I thought when Ben mentioned the box, he just wanted to show Locke how much he knows about his past. And btw, Shannon is looking pretty good in that picture Kevin (doesn't she always :thumbsup )

[JimiThang1]

Derek, gotta question for ya -- you had played the whole online "The Lost Experience" game (or at least some) right? I was just over on EW's site reading an article and on a "similar links" type of thing at the bottom there was something about last year's Comicon and its bit of Lost. This was all stuff from August of '06, so old obviously, but as part of the article there was a remark about by playing the Experience game, "what's behind those nefarious numbers" will be revealed, someting like that.

Now forgive me, we're going back several months and maybe in fact this has already been talked about on these boards themselves, but do you know what that might be talking about? I mean, I'm sure it's not like the game somehow gave you a clear, definitive answer ala saying exactly what Smokezilla really is or anything, but I still can't help but wonder what they were referring to by that. If you know, that is. Thanks.

It actually did give a pretty good definitive answer...the numbers are part of the Valenzetti Equation.

Read up on it here:

http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/The_Valenzetti_Equation

[JimiThang1]

Also Kevin about the flashes you were talking about that were wrong...you were actually right, Charlie is seen in the flash catching the girl at the beginning of the episode after he supposedly is dead.

[junior94]

Also Kevin about the flashes you were talking about that were wrong...you were actually right, Charlie is seen in the flash catching the girl at the beginning of the episode after he supposedly is dead.

Hmm, oh I totally goofed then. When I went back to check and looked at all the beginning flashes I really didn't think I saw Charlie in anything past the arrow scene, so I'd thought they'd done it 100% accurately.

[JimiThang1]

Hmm, oh I totally goofed then. When I went back to check and looked at all the beginning flashes I really didn't think I saw Charlie in anything past the arrow scene, so I'd thought they'd done it 100% accurately.
Yea so I guess that begs the question, was his flash totally real or was Charlie supposed to be saved a long.

[junior94]

It actually did give a pretty good definitive answer...the numbers are part of the Valenzetti Equation.

Read up on it here:

http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/The_Valenzetti_Equation

Okay and regarding this now (which, now you bring up this name, that does sound familiar that I remember it being brought up and me seeing it before here a few months ago, I just never really knew much deeper past the actual name), given all this info about it, would you say it's at the point then where even the producers would categorize "the numbers" as being then one of the big original LOST mysteries that's solved, pretty much case closed? Or do you imagine there's still quite likely significantly more to be shown having to do with them. Because, I dunno... I hope ther'es more, because there's just something about that, like it's too easy... I hope after all the build up for them all thru season 1 & 2, that's not essentially the bottom line of it.

[Talula62]

Yea so I guess that begs the question, was his flash totally real or was Charlie supposed to be saved a long.
See, that makes me really dislike this storyline even more. I was getting behind it for a while but... I guess I just don't see the point. And that might be the point, that you can't change the future... but then... why have Desmond run around in two episodes trying to change the future, then saying he can't, then doing something that makes everyone think he can, but then insert a little thing like that which tells the audience that Desmond really can't change the future. Too much going on. Brain hurts.

given all this info about it, would you say it's at the point then where even the producers would categorize "the numbers" as being then one of the big original LOST mysteries that's solved, pretty much case closed? Or do you imagine there's still quite likely significantly more to be shown having to do with them. It can't be done with, I say, because a.) it hasn't aired and b.) we don't actually know how they're trying to change the values of the equation. We can guess that all the stations are in control of something that could possibly change the values of the equation

WAIT.... but if you can't change the future??????? My head just exploded.

[junior94]

See, that makes me really dislike this storyline even more. I was getting behind it for a while but... I guess I just don't see the point. And that might be the point, that you can't change the future... but then... why have Desmond run around in two episodes trying to change the future, then saying he can't, then doing something that makes everyone think he can, but then insert a little thing like that which tells the audience that Desmond really can't change the future. Too much going on. Brain hurts.

Just go ahead and smoke out a little sweety, you'll be feelin better ;) :D


It can't be done with, I say, because a.) it hasn't aired and b.) we don't actually know how they're trying to change the values of the equation. We can guess that all the stations are in control of something that could possibly change the values of the equation

WAIT.... but if you can't change the future??????? My head just exploded.

Ya know what, very good point, and shame on me for even presenting the question without thinking of that. OF COURES it can't be done with since at the very least the V-whatever sequence hasnt been mentioned in the framework of the actual show yet. And obviously everyone knows it would be monumentily unfair (not to mention just really poor storytelling) that you'd only would've known this crucial bit of mythology if you'd went outside the show for this extra feature kinda thing. Eh eh, that's a no-no.

And yea I'm with ya Alli (well, is that really a surprise... :cool :hump :lol ) on Desmond's overall arc here with the time flashes and how it's regarded, because we still don't REALLY know still why he's having them, and of course the already practically tired argument of did he just see all the past shit in his head or did he physically go bakc in time with the key turning episode. :shrug

[JimiThang1]

See, that makes me really dislike this storyline even more. I was getting behind it for a while but... I guess I just don't see the point. And that might be the point, that you can't change the future... but then... why have Desmond run around in two episodes trying to change the future, then saying he can't, then doing something that makes everyone think he can, but then insert a little thing like that which tells the audience that Desmond really can't change the future. Too much going on. Brain hurts
Oh please not as much head hurting than trying to figure out what the hell the Rambaldi's prophecies meant...

[JimiThang1]

And yea I'm with ya Alli (well, is that really a surprise... :cool :hump :lol ) on Desmond's overall arc here with the time flashes and how it's regarded, because we still don't REALLY know still why he's having them, and of course the already practically tired argument of did he just see all the past shit in his head or did he physically go bakc in time with the key turning episode. :shrug
Well again the producer's did say that yes he did go back in time.

As for the numbers, I really think they are just going to be one of those things like the number 47 was on Alias...in the end absolutely nothing.

[junior94]

Well again the producer's did say that yes he did go back in time.

As for the numbers, I really think they are just going to be one of those things like the number 47 was on Alias...in the end absolutely nothing.

Goddamnit! :p It keeps turning out so selective, some things I have heard frrom the producers confirming certain things and then I feel so proud for knowing, and then some others obviously I miss entirely :lol

I got a sneaking suspicion you may be right about the #'s. And like okay, I could even see all the supposed Hurley "cursed" stuff surrounding the lottery just all being "shit happens in life" kinda thing, but why where they being broadcast and who did it, why is 108 minutes specifically that the button had to be pushed, etc. These things I would sure like to see touched upon within the larger context of the island mythology. :shrug


Also the Ben/Ethan thing that I had on my mind earlier but I'd already written a million word post, it's a general point that's already been talked about before, but rewatching some of these s1 eps again has helped drive the point home even further. Speaking to this continual argument about the Others in general seeming so morally self-righteous in whatever the hell it is they're doing. So you go back to the first 6 eps when Jack was in the operating room and at a certain point Ben remarks to him in a very condescing, snide tone something about "Well we'd already had a very talented surgeon in our group, named Ethan, until you people killed him."

And it's the intimations in this statement that bothered me all along. The idea of course being, here was this Ethan he was such a great man, and then you savages, you weak and flawed people killed him and took him from us. Wel I'm sorry Ben, you don't get to take the high ground here after the fact when you're little wunderkind pulled all the shit he did. Granted, even if he Juliette was telling the truth (which, for some reason I'm inclinded to believe this part was true) that Ethan's kidnapping of Claire was "unsanctioned" as it were, that Ben had not originally ordered that as part of the plan but took it upon himself to improvise when Hurley started in with the census. Even if he was on his own -- hello -- this asshole kidnaps her and drags her off just in the most visceral way possible and of course beats the shit out of Jack warning that he'll start killing people, and obviously surely attempted to kill Charlie. There's no possible way Ethan (or Ben for that matter) could justify this sequence of actions, particularly the especially brutal way in which they went down. So it was 110% reasonable that Charlie blew the guy away (or if had anyone else in the group done it). And as far as the timing, yea this is an ancient argument but Charlie was right, they would've never gotten a peep out of Ethan.

But what bothers me even more is, Ben's shown to be an extremely intelligent person, and yet... is it not blatanly obvious that if you put yourself in the shoes of the Losties as a whole, that that's all how they would've naturally reacted to what was going on around them? This is what especially gets me about Ben making that kind of remark. I mean even if he didn't realize it til after the fact, Ben knows what and how it all went down, so considering everything Ethan did, honestly how does he still think he gets to ride the high horse with the fact that they killed Ethan??

Then again, this ALLLL goes back to same general overall point that we've been on about since the start of this season, this what' seemed to become downright silliness about how the Others can't understand why the Losties can't stop seeing them as a threat and "the good guys" when meanwhile they've been locking them up in cages against their will, drugging them, beating them, etc, etc. I mean I think I made this joke way back when, that it's like you're sitting there in a corner having a guy beating the ever loving shit outta you while inbetween every punch he's saying "I do'nt understand, why don't you trust me, how come you cant see that I'm not your enemy??" *thwack*!! :lol



Next Rant Coming Soon: Remembering specific examples showing why Jack was in fact quite the annoying little dick even all the way since early in season 1, not just lately since he's getting played for a fool by Juliette. :D

[Talula62]

Oh please not as much head hurting than trying to figure out what the hell the Rambaldi's prophecies meant...This is true. I miss the green goo. :lorraine

[snapmcd]

This is true. I miss the green goo. :lorraine

Wasn't it red? Or am I thinking of another goo?

[Route_2]

Okay and regarding this now (which, now you bring up this name, that does sound familiar that I remember it being brought up and me seeing it before here a few months ago, I just never really knew much deeper past the actual name), given all this info about it, would you say it's at the point then where even the producers would categorize "the numbers" as being then one of the big original LOST mysteries that's solved, pretty much case closed? Or do you imagine there's still quite likely significantly more to be shown having to do with them. Because, I dunno... I hope ther'es more, because there's just something about that, like it's too easy... I hope after all the build up for them all thru season 1 & 2, that's not essentially the bottom line of it.

I think a lot of the peripheral knowledge that came out of the Lost Experience, the numbers included, will be revealed through the show as we learn more about the Dharma Initiative/Hanso Foundation past. I highly doubt the producers would expect that anything revealed outside the show could be taken as common knowledge. It was more of something to satisfy those truly die-hard fans and give them something to feast on in the off-season. I think much will be revealed, especially in the upcoming episode "The Man Behind The Curtain," the Ben-centric one, about Dharma and why they were on the island, which the numbers are sure to be a part of.

But, on a side note, I don't see why the root of the numbers being a part of this equation is such a let down. If their purpose (and Dharma's purpose) is to find a way to delay or stop completely the end of the world or humankind, thats a pretty big deal. I guess I'm just not sure what a 'fulfilling' payoff would be for everyone concerning the numbers.

[Talula62]

Wasn't it red? Or am I thinking of another goo?The giant red ball, the Meuller device, was red. I'm not remembering any other kind of red goo though unless the Rambaldi juice itself was red that Sloane fell into at the end. Was that colored? That green goo was inside an hourglass and wasn't it the stuff that Sloane would shoot Nadia up with?

Too many goos and juices to remember. Also, that paragraph is just insane without any context. :lol

[junior94]

Hmm... from just now checking out AICN's as usual preview page of tonight's episode, there's a detail of what I suppose could be considered a moderately sized spoiler about something that goes down tonight. It's the inclusion of a particular person that, well, I feel safe in saying we wouldn't have necessarily expected to see in this episode -- and it IS someone we're already familiar with ;) I'll be a good little boy and put the identity of said someone within those spoilerish taggies for anyone who feels so inclined as to relieve themselves of the burden of not knowing immediately...


Yep, according to the guest stars cast list for tonight -- well, and giving a very vague overview of the plot goings on as well -- we once again get to see our friendly neighborhood one-eyed communications bunker inhabitant Mikhail! And the way they were phrasing what they had to say, I'm 99.9% sure the implication was that his action is in the PRESENT TIME island events, not merely (if at all) in Jin & Sun's flashbacks. So they'll definitely have some 'splainin to do since I -- along with likely the rest of the friggin planet -- was sure as heckfire that Mr. Mikhail was right about now having his first lunch with his maker in the magic Epcot Center In The Sky.
duuuum duuuuum DUUUUUUUUUUMMMMMM!!!!!

[junior94]

Also another one of my renewed season 1 sort of gripes (is anyone else getting as annoyed with me by now as in fact I am of myself? :D ) is a bit of a cheat/plot hole that I just picked up on in the episode where Boone dies. Well, to technically go back one before that, I didn't get this then and I still do'nt now -- that is, what was the point of the inclusion of Boone's nanny Theresa in Locke's vision. Yea okay he sees him all bloodied up because that's what'll soon happen after he falls with the plane, but how exactly does his Nanny dying tie in with that (& the whole "she falls up the stairs/she falls down the stairs" chant). What, just because she did and Boone also died by "falling"? WEAK! :rolleyes

Anyway my real point here (I know, I"m sorry, I can never seem to compose a post under 1000 words :p ) seeing Locke again at the end of the show pounding on the little hatch window and crying at the futility of his actions. We of course find out later that right at the same moment when Desmond was having his own internal crises, he heard Locke above and this "saved him", and Des turned on the lights to try and get a better look.

Okaaaay so.... you're telling me just having Locke crying and screaming on the outside and beating his fists against the hatch -- that got Des's attention down below but a thing like the trebuchet they built being rigged to reign down upon that door what had to be at least a few hundred pounds of pressure per square inch in one giant crash... didn't? :freak

Errr, okay. But hey I suppose such are the trade offs of television storytelling sometimes. lol

[Route_2]

Kevin,

I've seen that spoiler in print as well and it will be interesting to hear the explanation for it. Also, I don't know if you've heard this one (I'm kind of a spoiler junkie), but it could be show changing, depending on how it plays out...

"There will be shocking moment when Naomi tells Hurley the fate of the real Oceanic Flight 815." -(from Kristin @ E!Online and a few other sources)

Evidently, the real Flight 815 crash wreckage was recovered in the Pacific Ocean soon after the crash....

Imagine the implications of this!

[GinaNMU]

Kevin,

I've seen that spoiler in print as well and it will be interesting to hear the explanation for it. Also, I don't know if you've heard this one (I'm kind of a spoiler junkie), but it could be show changing, depending on how it plays out...

"There will be shocking moment when Naomi tells Hurley the fate of the real Oceanic Flight 815." -(from Kristin @ E!Online and a few other sources)

Evidently, the real Flight 815 crash wreckage was recovered in the Pacific Ocean soon after the crash....

Imagine the implications of this!

DAMNIT I wish I didn't read that!!! :lol

Anyway, Happy Lost Day! It's baby-daddy time!

[tankdan]

I've just been thinking about what directions the show should take, and here's one idea I had...

The pilot could regain consciousness and then start babbling about how the end of the world is coming, the aliens have arrived, or a nuclear war has begun... I don't know about you, but I think, of the many possible conclusions for this series, a "Planet of the Apes" type of thing would be the best... i.e. The world is ending and you are stuck on this Island forever, because this Island is the only thing that will survive because it's in a big snowglobe.

Dan

[Route_2]

$20 says the daddy is neither Jin or Jae Lee!

[DMBand520]

I've just been thinking about what directions the show should take, and here's one idea I had...

The pilot could regain consciousness and then start babbling about how the end of the world is coming, the aliens have arrived, or a nuclear war has begun... I don't know about you, but I think, of the many possible conclusions for this series, a "Planet of the Apes" type of thing would be the best... i.e. The world is ending and you are stuck on this Island forever, because this Island is the only thing that will survive because it's in a big snowglobe.
Dan

:lol you just love that snow globe theory!

[tedies]

I've just been thinking about what directions the show should take, and here's one idea I had...

The pilot could regain consciousness and then start babbling about how the end of the world is coming, the aliens have arrived, or a nuclear war has begun... I don't know about you, but I think, of the many possible conclusions for this series, a "Planet of the Apes" type of thing would be the best... i.e. The world is ending and you are stuck on this Island forever, because this Island is the only thing that will survive because it's in a big snowglobe.

Dan
in a snowglobe that never snows :(

[DreamingTree#40]

in a snowglobe that never snows :(

I guess its the glass sphere theory then ;).

Maybe Mikhail coming back to life has something to do with the healing powers that the island possesses? It could make sense because he had no problem running through the sonic fence and shooting that other lady. However, I agree that if Mikhail does come back to life the writers have a lot of explaining to do

[Talula62]

You naughty boys and your spoilers. Now I've just gone and read an entire, detailed synopsis of the episode. It's all your fault!

[UNLTrpt]

:lol you just love that snow globe theory!

gee how could you tell?:lol

[junior94]

You naughty boys and your spoilers. Now I've just gone and read an entire, detailed synopsis of the episode. It's all your fault!

*cue 1980's anti-drug commercial*

"I learned it by watching you!!" :lorraine :evil

[Route_2]

You naughty boys and your spoilers. Now I've just gone and read an entire, detailed synopsis of the episode. It's all your fault!

Did you read about the monumental thing that is said at the end of the episode?

[Talula62]

Did you read about the monumental thing that is said at the end of the episode?Yep. Stupid, evil, cliffhanging writers! :monkey

[tankdan]

Hahah, okay, I'll be sure to lay off the snow-globe citations for the time-being.

Seriously, though, what do you think the options are for the end of the series? Will they be rescued by the outside world? Will they escape under their own power? Will they be there forever? Will they all die by the end? I like the idea that mimics the end of Terminator 3, where the whole world ends and the two characters listen to the destruction on the radio, safe beneath the surface but fully aware that their lives have been completely altered.

However, realistically, I think they'll just get rescued.

Dan

[davedmb41]

Here we go!

[tdowe99]

They found the plane!?!? :eek

No way. In Season 1 we saw the cockpit.
In season 2 we saw the tail crash.
In season 3 we saw the whole plane break apart.

Conspiracy!

[JimiThang1]

Omg They Are All Dead!!?@!?

[tdowe99]

Well, the producers have shot down the theory that they're dead / purgatory.

[davedmb41]

The ending tonight reminded me of the movie The Forgotten.

[newscane]

Someone's covering it up...

[davedmb41]

I wonder why that chick was speaking all the different languages.

[JimiThang1]

Well, the producers have shot down the theory that they're dead / purgatory.
I know I was being sarcastic.

[Talula62]

Who goes and plants parts of planes in oceans?

[DynastyDrummer1]

I'm just going to take a complete shot in the dark at how the finale ends...

let's see if I can spell spoiler right...

It ends with some of the characters watching the news report when the plane and people on the flight were found

Again, I'm taking a complete shot in the dark. I think that'd be a pretty darn good cliffhanger too...

[malarks26]

Someone's covering it up...

That's what I first thought of when she said that. It's got to be that company that Juliette went to work for that brought her onto the island in the first place (can't remember the name).

[newscane]

That's what I first thought of when she said that. It's got to be that company that Juliette went to work for that brought her onto the island in the first place (can't remember the name).
Mittelos Bioscience.

[malarks26]

Mittelos Bioscience.

There ya go, I vote for them. They're behind the cover-up.

[tdowe99]

I'm sure Mittelos is just a front for Hanso / Dharma.
Mittelos = Lost Time

[malarks26]

I'm sure Mittelos is just a front for Hanso / Dharma.
Mittelos = Lost Time

I thought they said the Darma Initiative was a separate group of people on the island from "the others" who we know were sent there by Mittelos Bioscience. Anybody else recall this from an earlier episode?

[newscane]

I'm sure Mittelos is just a front for Hanso / Dharma.
Mittelos = Lost Time
hmm... very interesting!

[Talula62]

So, if it's been 90 days and we're reaching the end of season 3, circa end of Season 4 Kate will clue in that she's preggers too, perhaps?

[tedies]

Wow, what a crazy episode. A lot of information a questions tonight. Okay a few thoughts.... First off I now think we know the whole reasoning for Kate and Sawyer being captured. Obviously Ben knew those 2 well enough to know if he stuck them together long enough then they would have sex and probably become pregnant. Which is good for him since the more test subjects for their "operations" the better. Some may think shes a better fit with Jack but they needed him for the surgery.

Then there is, of course, the huge clifhanger at the end. :eek My theory on this one is kind of complicated. We have heard numerious times from the writers/creators that this is purgatory and they are all really fighting for their lives. I tend to believe them. I think that Naomi wasn't lying. She really thinks that flight 815 was found. Thje others have somehow maipulated the outside world to believe that it was found and everyone is dead. I don't think they faked a plane crash for someone to find but rather somehow manipulate the media so that everyone thinks all hope is lost. I still have faith she is a searcher looking for Desmond.

Okay and if that wasn't crazy enough Mikhail is alive! I have to say I don't know what to think of this. I can think of 1 of 4 things that happen to him. 1, He is "lost in time" which would fit into running into desmond in the jungle since something is going on with him and being lost in some time loop. 2, He is Smokey. 3, The fences were never on and he faked the whole thing. Or 4, Some people just don't ie on the island. He did say something to the effect of nothing stays dead very long here.

Alright last but not least is Sun and Juliet. First of I have grown to really not like Juliet. She is such Ben's little bitch no matter what. Saying that, I think she is the only hope for Sun and Kate(if Kate is pregnant). Its good to know she hates Ben but how far will she go to obey him? Can she even save them? Well anyways what a great episode tonight. Its going to be a crazy end to the season in the next few weeks.

P.S. Jin is a fucking badass. Favorite scene was him breaking out the Chuck Norris kick to the face!

[tdowe99]

We have heard numerious times from the writers/creators that this is purgatory and they are all really fighting for their lives.

No. "One of the original Fan Theories was that the Characters are in purgatory. However, this theory has been dismissed by the head writer."

http://lostpedia.com/wiki/Purgatory

[tedies]

No. "One of the original Fan Theories was that the Characters are in purgatory. However, this theory has been dismissed by the head writer."

http://lostpedia.com/wiki/Purgatory
Yea sorry I meant to put a not in there :rolleyes oops

[clayj41]

Amazing episode tonight!

[TrippinBilliam]

Does anyone know what time the season finale will air?

[tdowe99]

9 EST / 8 CST, so probably 9 PST too.

[DreamingTree#40]

I think there is a cover up going on too. Once the plane crashed the Others/Dharma/Bioscience lab realized that the outside world would be looking for the plane, which increases the chances of the island being found. If they planted a plane in the ocean, which I'm not sure how they would do in the first place, then it diverts attention away from the island. Once the wreckage is found, the search ends and the island remains hidden (or so they thought :D )

[TrippinBilliam]

9 EST / 8 CST, so probably 9 PST too.

Thank you, I was hoping they weren't going to make it 10-12 because I go to work at 11.

[GinaNMU]

Awesome episode last night. Some of my favorite episodes are the Jin and Sun flashbacks. Their backstory is so interesting and involved. I don't want Sun to die!! :(

And yeah, it's interesting that Juliet said that sperm count increases by like a million percent or whatever the actual # was, but now everyone who even ends up having sex on this island has a much, much better chance of getting pregnant (Kate and Sawyer).

Still have no idea what to make of Mikhail being alive. I'm pretty sure we practically witnessed his head exploding a few episodes ago! :lol He seems like such a strange character to me...almost not human the way he acts and responds to things.

I obviously like most everyone have no idea how it is that everyone thinks they found the wreckage and dead bodies of 815. I'm hoping for Naomi (is that ner name?) to start spilling the beans once she's up and feeling good again.

And I know how much everyone can't stand her, but I am still feeling pretty damn sympathetic toward Juliet. I want to hate her, my boyfriend HATES me for liking her, hahahaha, but I can't help it. I have a feeling that she'll prove some of your haters wrong eventually. It's just frustrating b/c the writers obviously made her character and her backstories to make viewers see that she's not a bad person...she's just under the control of horrible people. I mean, it's still obvious that the others/Ben and whoever else is in charge are bad enough to kill Juliet the second she goes against them or steps out of line with them. Something else may have happened between her and Ben that we don't know about it. I know most of you and everyone else are like "F Juliet, she's horrible", but for some reason I like her a lot, and I NEVER like the bad guys!


BOOM. LOST.

[Heavy As Stone]

Awesome episode last night. Some of my favorite episodes are the Jin and Sun flashbacks. Their backstory is so interesting and involved. I don't want Sun to die!! :(

And yeah, it's interesting that Juliet said that sperm count increases by like a million percent or whatever the actual # was, but now everyone who even ends up having sex on this island has a much, much better chance of getting pregnant (Kate and Sawyer).

Still have no idea what to make of Mikhail being alive. I'm pretty sure we practically witnessed his head exploding a few episodes ago! :lol He seems like such a strange character to me...almost not human the way he acts and responds to things.

I obviously like most everyone have no idea how it is that everyone thinks they found the wreckage and dead bodies of 815. I'm hoping for Naomi (is that ner name?) to start spilling the beans once she's up and feeling good again.

And I know how much everyone can't stand her, but I am still feeling pretty damn sympathetic toward Juliet. I want to hate her, my boyfriend HATES me for liking her, hahahaha, but I can't help it. I have a feeling that she'll prove some of your haters wrong eventually. It's just frustrating b/c the writers obviously made her character and her backstories to make viewers see that she's not a bad person...she's just under the control of horrible people. I mean, it's still obvious that the others/Ben and whoever else is in charge are bad enough to kill Juliet the second she goes against them or steps out of line with them. Something else may have happened between her and Ben that we don't know about it. I know most of you and everyone else are like "F Juliet, she's horrible", but for some reason I like her a lot, and I NEVER like the bad guys!


BOOM. LOST.

I agree with you. I don't really know what to think about Juliette, but I can't hate her for some reason, and neither can my wife. I think in the end she will end up being good. My question is - if she hates Ben and the island so much, why is she working for him now. What is Ben holding over her head? It was creepy last night how she was referring to the people as subjects on the recording (Kwon, Austin, etc) which was a stark contrast to all her weepy-eyed interaction with Sun during the episode. Who knows.

The airplane thing I can accept... there are some big corporations with deep pockets behind a lot of this, so they can figure out a way to fake out the world, whether it is just in the media or whether they had to plant a fake plane. I can buy that.

But Mikhail? We saw the blood coming out of his ears. Was he somehow faking?

[malarks26]

I agree with you. I don't really know what to think about Juliette, but I can't hate her for some reason, and neither can my wife. I think in the end she will end up being good. My question is - if she hates Ben and the island so much, why is she working for him now. What is Ben holding over her head? It was creepy last night how she was referring to the people as subjects on the recording (Kwon, Austin, etc) which was a stark contrast to all her weepy-eyed interaction with Sun during the episode. Who knows.

The airplane thing I can accept... there are some big corporations with deep pockets behind a lot of this, so they can figure out a way to fake out the world, whether it is just in the media or whether they had to plant a fake plane. I can buy that.

But Mikhail? We saw the blood coming out of his ears. Was he somehow faking?

There's absolutely no way he was faking. Something had to happen to bring him back to life. He knew that he had already died once, and he did say that some things don't stay dead for long on the island, so something is definitely going on there.

[tankdan]

Awesome episode last night...
BOOM. LOST.

Gina, I hope you don't mind, but the way you ended your post... I simply have to put that in my signature. Is that cool?

Okay, here are my thoughts.

I can accept that Mikhail simply healed fast, it seems to go along with the flow of the storyline. I was surprised to see him, but you also have to wonder why he came running towards the flare. What did he expect to find? He was clearly shocked to see the Losties. OR, maybe he was tracking the pilot's homing beacon and he thought the flare was from her. That's a definite possibility.

Wohoo, Jin and Sun are gonna have a baby. That's about the extent of my excitement.

Juliette... NOT cool. I hope she eventually turns on the Others and joins the Losties.

As far as the plane having been found, is it possible that, after the Losties burned the fuselage, the plane was simply washed out to sea and then later found? That way, it would appear that the plane had, like, really really exploded in mid-air, burned, and landed in the middle of the ocean. Is it possible? The tail section obviously landed in the water, so that could have washed out to sea as well.
I'm just hesitant to start theorizing that someone TOOK the plane in order to stage a cover-up or that someone made a duplicate plane for the same purpose. It just seems too cheesy and over-reactive.

The pilot in S1 already said that the world wouldn't know where to look for them, so why would it be a big deal for THE MAN to leave the plane on the Island and/or not worry about a red herring?

Dan

[tdowe99]

I think Juliet is helping Ben and the Others because Ben must somehow be able to give her the one thing she wants, a way off the island. She doesn't have to like Ben; in fact, she hates him, but still needs him.

[tankdan]

Are these people really desperate enough to get off the Island that they would make serious personal compromises?

Locke: Wants to stay on the Island, so he blows up the sub and screws over Jack and Juliette. THEN he joins the Others?

Juliette: Wants to see her sister, so she follows Ben's every whim and demand? Is willing to betray all of these people that she is befriending (maybe even Jack?).

Desmond: Wants to see his woman again, so he risks Charlie's life in order to "fulfill his vision" in the hopes that THAT will bring him his woman?

These are some pretty crazy people. If this trend continues (these are all in this season), then it could get really ugly. Just imagine if, like, every main Lostie starts to backstab in order to get a chance at leaving the Island! What ever happened to building a raft together, especially now that they've made contact with the Others?

Dan

[tdowe99]

I don't know what Locke was smoking. There must be some reason to destroy the sub besides the whole "I don't want to leave the island." thing. If Locke really wanted to stay behind, he could have run into the jungle when the rescue ships came and stayed hidden. That assumes Jack could get back to the Island with help.

[Route_2]

After Mikhail and Desmond treat Naomi's wound, she says something in Portuguese. It is not "Thank you" as Mikhail claims. Instead, it sounds like "Eu não estou só" which is Portuguese (spoken with a Brazilian accent) for "I am not alone."

[tankdan]

Haha, yeh, I instantly figured that Mikhail's translation was bogus... That's a good catch, though...

Dan

[junior94]

Phew. I'm assuming the end bomb there was what that one spoiler that was posted a couple pages back (I still haven't actually looked :D ) Well I'm glad I stuck with my instincts and never did because that made for a helluva ending 30 seconds or so. Although just as curious to me is -- and I think at least one person maybe mentioned this -- why the girl at separate times spoke in three different languages.... (and of course notice that when she spoke English, she did so with a clear Australian accent)

What I loved just as much though about this particular episode is not only showing the great depth there is proving to the Sun/Jin backstory, but that there's a sort of parrallel to their's and Jack's. What I mean is, in Jack's past and al the way back in season 1 we saw that his Dad fell off the wagon big time, it's ultimately what drove him to Australia and his death, and we didn't find out until season 3 what exactly it was that knocked him off the wagon, the reveal being that it was in fact Jack's action of accusing his father with having an affair with the woman who became his ex-wife. So sort of indirectly, Jack caused the ultimate downfall of this father.
Same thing with Jin & Sun. Way back in season 1 we were shown that after simply being a factory man at Sun's father's company, Jin was promoted to be his "special assistant", but we never knew exactly why, but again, him making that move was the beginning of the end for them because it's when Jin started doing all these bad things that tore them apart. Cut to late season 3 and we find out that the father never necessarily was going to put Jin in that role, but Sun having to quietly take money from the father is what prompted that action. Thus, Sun indirectly kickstarted the problems that became the downfall of her own marriage.

On a whole other note, I'm suprised nobody's bringing this up especially with how sex is generally treated in today's world between people who aren't necessarily some lovey dovey committed couple. Everyone's already practically making it a foregone conclusion that the whole pregnancy plot will be extended with finding out eventually that Kate is, thanks to her romp with Sawyer.

Hello... what ever happened to pulling out? Seriously, I'm not even trying to make a joke. It's not like they were in love, and obviously didn't have a condom, why conceivably would Sawyer have actually finished INSIDE Kate? Plus all that we know about Kate, you'd think as much as she wanted the actual sex, this girl runs away for a living, she wouldn't want that Sawyer man-goo anywhere NEAR her cooter. :p Nah my guess is realistically she would've taken a pop shot in the boobies, or -- if she was a real daring girl -- in the face :evil :lol

[tdowe99]

Not to get too gross or technical, but the pull-out method isn't totally effective at preventing pregnancy. There's still sperm in the pre-cum. Combine this with super sperm (5x) and getting caught in the moment, I'm sure he blasted away. :)

[GinaNMU]

Are these people really desperate enough to get off the Island that they would make serious personal compromises?

Locke: Wants to stay on the Island, so he blows up the sub and screws over Jack and Juliette. THEN he joins the Others?

Juliette: Wants to see her sister, so she follows Ben's every whim and demand? Is willing to betray all of these people that she is befriending (maybe even Jack?).

Desmond: Wants to see his woman again, so he risks Charlie's life in order to "fulfill his vision" in the hopes that THAT will bring him his woman?

These are some pretty crazy people. If this trend continues (these are all in this season), then it could get really ugly. Just imagine if, like, every main Lostie starts to backstab in order to get a chance at leaving the Island! What ever happened to building a raft together, especially now that they've made contact with the Others?

Dan

I've been thinking a lot about this as well (as I am actually a fan of Juliet, hahaha. I know, I know). People are going to great personal compromising lengths to get what they want, which in a way I guess I can understand. I mean, you're stranded on an island with these people, yes. But are they as important as seeing your family or love of your life again? Are they so important that Locke would be willing to get back in a wheelchair for the rest of his life for them?

Granted yes, I still think what some people are doing for themselves is shitty and shady (Juliet, Locke, Des, everyone you mentioned already). Now I KNOW that Jack is in on something else we don't know about as well-- and most likely to benefit himself and save his own ass. I'm hoping I'm wrong, but everyone can agree w/ me that something's up with Jack and I have a feeling it's not a good thing (him helping Juliet/Ben learn more about Sun's pregnancy?) Way to go Mr. Hero live together die alone :mad


HA! And Dan, whenever a friend of mine and I are talking about Lost and we're done, I always just make the noise and then whisper LOST, hahaha. It's tradition with us now.

[tdowe99]

I wonder what the Puuhhh! sound is made of.

Another unique sound is when they start a flashback, it's the same sound as when you're flying in a plane.
The interior cabin noise.

[junior94]

Are these people really desperate enough to get off the Island that they would make serious personal compromises?

Locke: Wants to stay on the Island, so he blows up the sub and screws over Jack and Juliette. THEN he joins the Others?

Juliette: Wants to see her sister, so she follows Ben's every whim and demand? Is willing to betray all of these people that she is befriending (maybe even Jack?).

Desmond: Wants to see his woman again, so he risks Charlie's life in order to "fulfill his vision" in the hopes that THAT will bring him his woman?

These are some pretty crazy people. If this trend continues (these are all in this season), then it could get really ugly. Just imagine if, like, every main Lostie starts to backstab in order to get a chance at leaving the Island! What ever happened to building a raft together, especially now that they've made contact with the Others?

Dan


Welllll I think you're kinda off on some of these. With Locke, well for one thing with his next flashback ep (I blieve might be next week) I think we're gonna learn an awful lot about what exactly he was thinking with supposedly "joining" the Others. But also as I sort of started to get into in a previous post, and the more I think about it I'm believing that it's not just a matter of him not wanting to leave hte island, because as I've brought up before it's not like even if they were rescued en masse that he'd be forced to be taken back to the states against his will. No the more I think about it, if even SOME of the people were to get rescued, obviously when the get back to civilization there's gonna be talk about the island, and it won't take much of that to have questions start getting asked that this sounds like no ordinary place, so it'll just increase the chances more of other people (perhaps authorities) wanting to try and find it, and again Locke would want NOTHING like that to happen, it's all about maintaining the integrity of the island for him, and he feels ultimately some sacrifices may have to be made in the name of that.

With Juliette I think you have it backwards. She's only befriending this people because she's planning on betraying them. And though I completely understand the argument that Gina's trying to make about liking her, and the writers are obviously showing that they're giving you a legit reason to possibly empathize with her (but I still hate her :p ) at the end of the day she's doing what she feels she NEEDS to do solely in order to hopefully get herself off the island and preserve the life of her sister. So yea obviously, she hardly knows any of these Losties, of course she'll do something potentialy bad to them if she feels deep down it'll ultimately help her sister. Wouldn't you? But again, though I can comprehend that reasoning, I still do'nt necessarily agree with it. Maybe it's just because of how stubborn I am wtih this kinda thing, but I'd die before I'd let somebody make me do something (& to this degree) that I absolutely otherwise wouldn't wanna do.

And finally with Desmond, well, as the episode played out to me at least, this was an internal struggle he was having over the whole hour's story. At first (and for awhile) he really believed perhaps he could let Charlie die if he thought in the end it would equal out to getting Penny back, but it's something he was cearly very conflicted about during their whole trek thru the jungle. And of course as we saw when the moment of truth came he ultimately could NOT do it, he couldn't bring himself to sacrifice Charlie just in the name of it maybe meaning he'd definitely reunite with Penny. So score one for Des, I'd say :thumbsup

(which reminds me, speaking of the jungle... it always cracks me up, it's the friggin jungle! It ALL pretty much looks the same, yet show after show we see these people seemingly having no problem remembering where exactly to go for an endless number of certain destinatinos we've come to be familiar with. Somethin seems fishy about all that :lol )

[tdowe99]

Remember, in Desmond's flashes, not only did Charlie get killed, but he saw Charlie helping with the parachute.
Maybe he then knew that Charlie was to be saved.

[Talula62]

Hello... what ever happened to pulling out?
I dunno Kev, you gotta be realistic about what a television show would portray here, not necessarily how things would really go down in real life. A plane fell apart in mid air, remember. :lol I mean, agree with you that if I were her, I'd have been like "Oh no, you can take that elsewhere," but anyway...

A.) Not very PC (for lack of a better word) to write in a "we use the pulling out method of safe sex" storyline.
B.) Not very interesting or consistent way to update us on what happens in private between Sawyer and Kate. They don't even show us anything but people kissing and waking up naked. It's the PG-13 version of sex. Explaining to us that he pulled out is NOT PG-13. :lol That explanation would be probably awkward too. Kate: "but he didn't... ya know... inside...of there." :lol

Not to get too gross or technical, but the pull-out method isn't totally effective at preventing pregnancy. There's still sperm in the pre-cum. Combine this with super sperm (5x) and getting caught in the moment, I'm sure he blasted away. :)
Also there's that...

[junior94]

I dunno Kev, you gotta be realistic about what a television show would portray here, not necessarily how things would really go down in real life. A plane fell apart in mid air, remember. :lol I mean, agree with you that if I were her, I'd have been like "Oh no, you can take that elsewhere," but anyway...

A.) Not very PC (for lack of a better word) to write in a "we use the pulling out method of safe sex" storyline.
B.) Not very interesting or consistent way to update us on what happens in private between Sawyer and Kate. They don't even show us anything but people kissing and waking up naked. It's the PG-13 version of sex. Explaining to us that he pulled out is NOT PG-13. :lol That explanation would be probably awkward too. Kate: "but he didn't... ya know... inside...of there." :lol


Also there's that...

:lol :lol :lol

Oh. My. God alli, see this is why I love you. You had me absolutely rollling with the "oh no, you can take that elsewhere..." Especially because I can totally just see you laying back after sex, propped up like on your elbows but with this raised eyebrow look and saying "uhh.. just WHERE do you think YOU'RE going.... with THAT?" :lol Of course, then again I generally don't thinkn of you in any way other than lying back naked after sex, so... :D

But nah you're right, I was even thinking this after I'd posted that. That in TV world they never really handle sex halfway realistically, if two people are havin some sex no matter if it's just a one night stand between a couple who've never even met before, because the concept of pregnancy is so often then used to possibly further plot in a story, in TV land everyone ALWAYS blows their load down the tunnel of love.

[junior94]

Oh also failed to mention -- SO GLAD we see some evidence that the Losties are FINALLY sharing things with one another!!! This has obviously been one of our chief complaints as fans during the whole series. Now, I knew that Mikhail reappeared (for those who didn't look that was the spoiler info I posted a couple pages back), but now that I saw the scene in which he did, my mind immediately went to "oh great, but none of these guys were involved with him last time so nobody knows who the hell he is". But then thankfully we get from Charlie that Kate had already spread the world about Mikhail, so they knew to be extra suspicious of him. There's no reason why all these different people wouldn't have all this time been telling each other who and what they see on different parts of the island so it's great to see it's finally actually happening.

And once again Hurley was a fucking riot. When he shot up the flare, they all did that slow turn around towards him and his "ooops", oh man I lost it. And also with the phone and Mikhail, "Like I'd tell you..." :thumbsup :lol

[Talula62]

Of course, then again I generally don't thinkn of you in any way other than lying back naked after sex, so... :D

But nah you're right, I was even thinking this after I'd posted that. That in TV world they never really handle sex halfway realistically, if two people are havin some sex no matter if it's just a one night stand between a couple who've never even met before, because the concept of pregnancy is so often then used to possibly further plot in a story, in TV land everyone ALWAYS blows their load down the tunnel of love.Always with the mind in the gutter! :lol

Yeah, it's annoying. Both the lack of reality and the use of pregnancy to further the storyline. At first I was really annoyed with all the pregnancies but now it's clear that it's a central part of what these people are doing there. What still bothers me is that all pregnant women will die and the fact that they've already killed off a whole bunch of women. I mean, what the hell? You know Naomi's gonna croak soon. :rolleyes

I totally don't buy Mikhail's "people don't stay dead on this island" or whatever. If true - where the hell are all the women who have died? The 9 pregnant women? Boone? Shannon? Ana Lucia? Girl from Drew Carey? Artz? Kate's FBI marshall? Ethan?

Oh my god. I have the answer. They're copy catting the Days of Our Lives "serial killer victims all weren't ever actually dead even though we gave them funerals and put them in the ground" storyline! :lol Incidentally, they were all taken to an island with a snowglobe around it too.

[GinaNMU]

Oh also failed to mention -- SO GLAD we see some evidence that the Losties are FINALLY sharing things with one another!!! This has obviously been one of our chief complaints as fans during the whole series.

ME TOO, dude. Seriously if they just f'in talked to each other and filled each other in more often, there'd be LOTS less problems. I was so happy to hear Charlie step up and be like, "yo I totally know who this guy is! Kill him!!" :lol

[wolfdisney]

Someone's covering it up...

That's what I first thought of when she said that. It's got to be that company that Juliette went to work for that brought her onto the island in the first place (can't remember the name).

Mittelos Bioscience.

There ya go, I vote for them. They're behind the cover-up.I go with that theory too :thumbsup

[Heavy As Stone]

I dunno Kev, you gotta be realistic about what a television show would portray here, not necessarily how things would really go down in real life. A plane fell apart in mid air, remember. :lol I mean, agree with you that if I were her, I'd have been like "Oh no, you can take that elsewhere," but anyway...

A.) Not very PC (for lack of a better word) to write in a "we use the pulling out method of safe sex" storyline.
B.) Not very interesting or consistent way to update us on what happens in private between Sawyer and Kate. They don't even show us anything but people kissing and waking up naked. It's the PG-13 version of sex. Explaining to us that he pulled out is NOT PG-13. :lol That explanation would be probably awkward too. Kate: "but he didn't... ya know... inside...of there." :lol


Also there's that...

:lol Thats hilarious. It needs to be in the preview.

[GinaNMU]

I go with that theory too :thumbsup

:thumbsup Oh yeah for sure. This screams conspiracy backed by large corporation :lol

Damn the Man.

[wolfdisney]

Phew. I'm assuming the end bomb there was what that one spoiler that was posted a couple pages back (I still haven't actually looked :D ) Well I'm glad I stuck with my instincts and never did because that made for a helluva ending 30 seconds or so. Although just as curious to me is -- and I think at least one person maybe mentioned this -- why the girl at separate times spoke in three different languages.... (and of course notice that when she spoke English, she did so with a clear Australian accent)

What I loved just as much though about this particular episode is not only showing the great depth there is proving to the Sun/Jin backstory, but that there's a sort of parrallel to their's and Jack's. What I mean is, in Jack's past and al the way back in season 1 we saw that his Dad fell off the wagon big time, it's ultimately what drove him to Australia and his death, and we didn't find out until season 3 what exactly it was that knocked him off the wagon, the reveal being that it was in fact Jack's action of accusing his father with having an affair with the woman who became his ex-wife. So sort of indirectly, Jack caused the ultimate downfall of this father.
Same thing with Jin & Sun. Way back in season 1 we were shown that after simply being a factory man at Sun's father's company, Jin was promoted to be his "special assistant", but we never knew exactly why, but again, him making that move was the beginning of the end for them because it's when Jin started doing all these bad things that tore them apart. Cut to late season 3 and we find out that the father never necessarily was going to put Jin in that role, but Sun having to quietly take money from the father is what prompted that action. Thus, Sun indirectly kickstarted the problems that became the downfall of her own marriage.

On a whole other note, I'm suprised nobody's bringing this up especially with how sex is generally treated in today's world between people who aren't necessarily some lovey dovey committed couple. Everyone's already practically making it a foregone conclusion that the whole pregnancy plot will be extended with finding out eventually that Kate is, thanks to her romp with Sawyer.

Hello... what ever happened to pulling out? Seriously, I'm not even trying to make a joke. It's not like they were in love, and obviously didn't have a condom, why conceivably would Sawyer have actually finished INSIDE Kate? Plus all that we know about Kate, you'd think as much as she wanted the actual sex, this girl runs away for a living, she wouldn't want that Sawyer man-goo anywhere NEAR her cooter. :p Nah my guess is realistically she would've taken a pop shot in the boobies, or -- if she was a real daring girl -- in the face :evil :lol
:lol

[Route_2]

Oh also failed to mention -- SO GLAD we see some evidence that the Losties are FINALLY sharing things with one another!!! This has obviously been one of our chief complaints as fans during the whole series.

Agreed. Also the fact that Sun went right up to Juliet and demanded answers. That is another problem with the Losties, not enough of them demand answers when they come in contact with any of the Others. Cheers to Sun for getting in Juliet's face. She should have followed Juliet back into the Staff though, I was hoping she would.

[junior94]

Agreed. Also the fact that Sun went right up to Juliet and demanded answers. That is another problem with the Losties, not enough of them demand answers when they come in contact with any of the Others. Cheers to Sun for getting in Juliet's face. She should have followed Juliet back into the Staff though, I was hoping she would.

Right on, I loved it when Charlie yelled out "We need to quit always letting these people go!" It's bits of dialogue like this that make me especially think the writers are sticking things in totally with the fan reaction on certain things in mind. (ala Sawyer's "Who the hell's Nikki?" :lol )

I think someone already remarked on this but also when Jin put the hurt on Mikhail, I was literally sitting here cheering, when he got the last shot down I screamed out "BAM!!" :p

Yea I kinda had a feeling the way they staged the scene that Sun would've decided to come back in anyway after Juliette and she would've walked in on her leaving the message. Which btw, giong back to the thing quickly of Juliette's behavior and motivations, obviously they made a very particular point of her shutting off the recorder and then "telling Ben" that she hated him. So saying she's not an inherently evil person, she's just doing what she feel she needs to do to survive for both her and her sister (though sorry Gina, I still wanna strangle a bitch :p ).

[AFurth]

So what about the very end of the episode?

Is this a government conspiracy? Why else would that girl say that (at least according to the news media in the show) they found the plane and there were no survivors?

And why can't they get the fucking satellite phone to work? God damn. Make a battery out of some shit in a hatch or something!

[jguinan101]

so this show just keeps bringing it with some kick ass episodes. can not wait to see what locke has been up to for the last week or so and then after that we got ben flashback, wow. i can hardly keep it in my pants. pretty weird how both of the other girls that could possibly be prego (shannon, anaL) both got offed before they had a chance to know anything, also i found something fishy about hurley's fake phone call don't really know what but it just seemed a little off. also can't wait to find out about how the hell mikael or whatever came back hoping some of that will be next week showing locke and his new buddies. also this is great...

BOOM!!! Lost....

[Route_2]

I totally don't buy Mikhail's "people don't stay dead on this island" or whatever. If true - where the hell are all the women who have died? The 9 pregnant women? Boone? Shannon? Ana Lucia? Girl from Drew Carey? Artz? Kate's FBI marshall? Ethan?


I might be mistaken, but I thought Mikhail only said that people heal faster on the island, not that they don't stay dead.

[jguinan101]

P.S. Jin is a fucking badass. Favorite scene was him breaking out the Chuck Norris kick to the face!

lol yeah good work tedies

jin > chuck norris

anyway i was watching the show with some non lost people so they had no clue but as soon as jin took off after him i was like don't worry its over. then they were like are you sure he looks to be gettin his ass kicked, i told them its all good don't worry, two seconds later spinning head kick and mikael is down. get on with you your bad bad self jin!!

[jguinan101]

I totally don't buy Mikhail's "people don't stay dead on this island" or whatever. If true - where the hell are all the women who have died? The 9 pregnant women? Boone? Shannon? Ana Lucia? Girl from Drew Carey? Artz? Kate's FBI marshall? Ethan?


if anyone on this island is stayin dead it is Artz, :angel

[spawn]

So what about the very end of the episode?

Is this a government conspiracy? Why else would that girl say that (at least according to the news media in the show) they found the plane and there were no survivors?

And why can't they get the fucking satellite phone to work? God damn. Make a battery out of some shit in a hatch or something!

Or just bring it back to the village and charge it in one of the houses with running water and electricity....man I hate how they just don't move in.

[Talula62]

I might be mistaken, but I thought Mikhail only said that people heal faster on the island, not that they don't stay dead.Ohhhh, right. I should have said that I don't believe he was ever dead, since we thought he died. I read too many message baord posts last night and confused myself there!

if anyone on this island is stayin dead it is Artz, :angel
:lol True.

[Route_2]

So Naomi said she was not alone. That either means a) that there is another or many other parachute people on the island b) that whoever she is with went down with her helicopter c) she is referring to where ever it is she took off from, which must be close by due to her mode of transport.

[DMBand520]

I totally don't buy Mikhail's "people don't stay dead on this island" or whatever. If true - where the hell are all the women who have died? The 9 pregnant women? Boone? Shannon? Ana Lucia? Girl from Drew Carey? Artz? Kate's FBI marshall? Ethan?

This bothered me. I'll accept that Mikhail didn't die but was just very injuried and then the island healed him, BUT then I started thinking about how all those other people died and didn't have the island magically heal them.

[junior94]

For what it's worth I really don't think it's a case of that Mikhail just merely came close to dying from the sonic fence but lived. I mean it really looked like he had a full on brain hemorrage kinda deal, foaming at the mouth and blood pouring from his ears (& obviously this tells you that Kate, Sayid & Locke just walked on and left his body lying right there after the incident). Plus I could've sworn after it went down Locke even checked the guy's pulse for petesake and confirmed he was dead.

Obviously there will need to be a big payoff as to why this is and hopefully we'll find out by the season finale, but whatever happened exactly between then and now, I do personally take it as he was dead as a doornail.

edit: And shit, regardless of being pregnant or not, it's really not healthy just to simply be a woman on this island. I mean think of the rundown of everyone we know that's died by either being killed or not however way, and the number of women grossly outweighs the men. :lol:
Just off the top of my head:

Shannon
AnaL
one "Other" woman (Danny's wife)
Danny the Other
Eko
Boone (now all the jokes about him being gay especially play well :p )
Libby
Ethan
Goodwin

errr okay, well now that I actually lay the names out I guess it's not that out of balance as I thought. :p

[uneverknow14]

my first thought with mikhail coming back was that he somehow faked his death

[Talula62]

Yeah, if he faked it, it would go along with the fact that Juliet turned the fence ON when Smokey was after her and Kate. Though - was that the same fence?

[Route_2]

How do you fake blood shooting out of your ears?

[junior94]

Yeah, if he faked it, it would go along with the fact that Juliet turned the fence ON when Smokey was after her and Kate. Though - was that the same fence?

Yea I'm just not buying the faking it possibility. Besides, if someone's "faking it", trust me, I can tell that.



...... *ahem*



:rolleyes



:D



Aaaaanyway... seriously though, hello even the whole sonic boom sound went off when he ran thru (the same sound remember when Smokezilla clashed with it). The thing with Juliette turning it on, well that to me just implied that when the Others as a whole were leaving (while our folks were still unconscious) they disarmed it to safely walk thru to the outside of it, and just left it "off" after passing. So by the time Kate & Juliette were ready to also exit the perimeter she needed to switch it on for Smokey.

And Alli - yes I can't imagine that that wouldn't have been the same fence, I'm sure it was just another part of the same overall perimeter set up. (don't forget the whole Others barracks is about a mile in width, so there's gonna be quite a few of those set up out there to surround the entire thing)

[41ravens]

i just came up with a crazy, crackpot theory:

the others are younger versions of the lostie's parents. wrap your brain around that one.

it doesn't make any sense at all. i'm just trying to figure out how all of these parental issues all of our main characters seem to have is going to play out.

[Route_2]

The thing with Juliette turning it on, well that to me just implied that when the Others as a whole were leaving (while our folks were still unconscious) they disarmed it to safely walk thru to the outside of it, and just left it "off" after passing. So by the time Kate & Juliette were ready to also exit the perimeter she needed to switch it on for Smokey.


So, when Juliet turned on the fence her and Kate were then on the outside of the fence from the barracks because they were heading away, right? So by turning it on did Juliet then trap Smokey on the inside of the fence?

[skywalker_009]

So, when Juliet turned on the fence her and Kate were then on the outside of the fence from the barracks because they were heading away, right? So by turning it on did Juliet then trap Smokey on the inside of the fence?

kate and juliet were heading to the camp as i remember it... so smokey was outside...

[Talula62]

How do you fake blood shooting out of your ears?How do you survive blood shooting out of your ears? :lol No, it's definitely an out there theory.

The thing with Juliette turning it on, well that to me just implied that when the Others as a whole were leaving (while our folks were still unconscious) they disarmed it to safely walk thru to the outside of it, and just left it "off" after passing.
Well that sounds kind of dumb. Don't they have important things in their camp that they wouldn't want any of the Losties to get ahold of? Then again, they leave their hatches wide the hell open so...

Geez.

[malarks26]

How do you survive blood shooting out of your ears? :lol No, it's definitely an out there theory.

:ugh

He definitely didnt fake dying, he said in the episode last night that he already died once this week. Remember?? There was no faking about it, he was somehow brought back to life. I'm sure we'll find out how in the upcoming episodes.

[Gonzo#34]

:ugh

He definitely didnt fake dying, he said in the episode last night that he already died once this week. Remember?? There was no faking about it, he was somehow brought back to life. I'm sure we'll find out how in the upcoming episodes.


he clearly said that sarcastically/jokingly as if to taunt them with "how is that guy alive" thing. My theory - Desmond screwed it up.

[Talula62]

:ugh

He definitely didnt fake dying, he said in the episode last night that he already died once this week. Remember?? There was no faking about it, he was somehow brought back to life. I'm sure we'll find out how in the upcoming episodes.Why should we take him literally? Why should we believe him? If they brought him back from the dead, they better show us Ethan and Goodwin and that blond woman from Deadwood too.

[skywalker_009]

i dunno... maybe a twin?...

[Talula62]

:eek Sky, you original little devil you. Twins both with one bad eye! :lol

[malarks26]

Why should we take him literally? Why should we believe him? If they brought him back from the dead, they better show us Ethan and Goodwin and that blond woman from Deadwood too.

He had blood spitting out of his ears!!!!

[uneverknow14]

How do you fake blood shooting out of your ears?

i don't know, but those people are nuts, they can fake anything, it wouldn't surprise me

[tosssweep]

he clearly said that sarcastically/jokingly as if to taunt them with "how is that guy alive" thing. My theory - Desmond screwed it up.

Indeed. I thought it was a comment clearly made as a taunt. This is gonna be a wild final month of LOST!!

[malarks26]

i don't know, but those people are nuts, they can fake anything, it wouldn't surprise me

C'mon now...

[uneverknow14]

C'mon now...

what? they convinced sawyer he had a fuckin pacemaker or some shit in his chest, who knows what other kind of shit they have up their sleeve

plus i like thinking that better than he "died and came to back to life"...the more unrealistic lost gets the more i get turned away

[UNLTrpt]

And why can't they get the fucking satellite phone to work? God damn. Make a battery out of some shit in a hatch or something!

First of all they JUST found the phone. They haven't had it for a week, they've had it for a couple of hours.

Second, they haven't even made it back to camp with it yet where Sayid could take a look at it.

Third, and probably most importantly...the hatch was destroyed. Remember? Purple flash? Boom. Desmond naked in the jungle.

[UNLTrpt]

ok so here's a question.

Did "they" plan to take the plane down or once the plane went down did "they" plant the wreckage?

[junior94]

So, when Juliet turned on the fence her and Kate were then on the outside of the fence from the barracks because they were heading away, right? So by turning it on did Juliet then trap Smokey on the inside of the fence?

No I apologize, I misremebered earlier. I was thinking they were headed away (as in towards the Losties camp) but they couldn't have been because they obviously hadn't collected Jack & Sayid yet. So from wherever exactly they woke up together, Kate & Juliette were indeed headed towards Othersville Barracks, and thus when Jules activated the fence from hell it was to keep Smokezilla on the outside of the perimeter.

p.s. - your post's # was 9666. mwaahaahaahaahaaa... :evil


Well that sounds kind of dumb. Don't they have important things in their camp that they wouldn't want any of the Losties to get ahold of? Then again, they leave their hatches wide the hell open so...

Geez.

Oh yea?! Well.... well, you're dumb!! :p :lorraine So there!

First of all they JUST found the phone. They haven't had it for a week, they've had it for a couple of hours.

Second, they haven't even made it back to camp with it yet where Sayid could take a look at it.

Third, and probably most importantly...the hatch was destroyed. Remember? Purple flash? Boom. Desmond naked in the jungle.

Speaking of the phone, it was small but I enjoyed Charlie's reaction last week to hearing the battery was dead: "Shocker..." (sarcasm noted) :D

And I could be wrong but when he referenced about maybe finding "a battery from a hatch", I think he might've meant any of the other several they've found at this point, I suppose there's an outside shot any one of them may have some supplies like that. But no biggie.

ok so here's a question.

Did "they" plan to take the plane down or once the plane went down did "they" plant the wreckage?

Well here's the thing I've had in mind since seeing so many people talking about some kind of corporate force setting this up and certainly influencing the news media to believing as far as the outside world's concerned no surviors were found with the plane. If all that is true, wouldn't you imagine that the Others would be centrally involved in that, too? And yet, as we saw in this year's season premiere (& revisited in Juliette's flashbacks) flight 815 came as a total shock to them. And I don't mean like they knew they'd have "more subjects coming" by way of a plane crash but just like didn't know exactly when it would come -- they all reacted like the very last thing in the world they expected was a plane to fly over the island, much less crash on it and there be survivors to deal with.

[skywalker_009]

:eek Sky, you original little devil you. Twins both with one bad eye! :lol

yeah, i dunno... hey someone should check to make sure that the bad eye from the last episode was the same as the bad eye a while back... wild shot in the dark... wouldnt hurt to look...

[skywalker_009]

Well here's the thing I've had in mind since seeing so many people talking about some kind of corporate force setting this up and certainly influencing the news media to believing as far as the outside world's concerned no surviors were found with the plane. If all that is true, wouldn't you imagine that the Others would be centrally involved in that, too? And yet, as we saw in this year's season premiere (& revisited in Juliette's flashbacks) flight 815 came as a total shock to them. And I don't mean like they knew they'd have "more subjects coming" by way of a plane crash but just like didn't know exactly when it would come -- they all reacted like the very last thing in the world they expected was a plane to fly over the island, much less crash on it and there be survivors to deal with.

well you do have to admit that ben was pretty quick with what he wanted everyone to do... i mean, maybe he wasnt expecting it right then, but soon type of thing... i havent seen that part in a while, so i may be way off-base, but thats how i remember it going down...

[junior94]

yeah, i dunno... hey someone should check to make sure that the bad eye from the last episode was the same as the bad eye a while back... wild shot in the dark... wouldnt hurt to look...

Right on. See, Andy Kaufman never actually did die, he's now playing the part of Mikhail on LOST and he keeps switching his eyepatch back and forth between the left & right just to fuck with people and keep them off balance. :lol

[Talula62]

Oh yea?! Well.... well, you're dumb!! :p :lorraine So there!

Well here's the thing I've had in mind since seeing so many people talking about some kind of corporate force setting this up and certainly influencing the news media to believing as far as the outside world's concerned no surviors were found with the plane. If all that is true, wouldn't you imagine that the Others would be centrally involved in that, too? And yet, as we saw in this year's season premiere (& revisited in Juliette's flashbacks) flight 815 came as a total shock to them. And I don't mean like they knew they'd have "more subjects coming" by way of a plane crash but just like didn't know exactly when it would come -- they all reacted like the very last thing in the world they expected was a plane to fly over the island, much less crash on it and there be survivors to deal with. Easy there, sweet cheeks, I didn't call you dumb! :lol But I will if you keep talkin' back to me like that!

That's sort of what my issue was, initially. Are we later going to see a flashback of Ben giving another set of commands to the Others... like, to go communicate with Dharma people and tell them what happened? To do something to help cover up the crash?

[Talula62]

well you do have to admit that ben was pretty quick with what he wanted everyone to do....That's very true and it kind of surprised me at the time.

[skywalker_009]

Right on. See, Andy Kaufman never actually did die, he's now playing the part of Mikhail on LOST and he keeps switching his eyepatch back and forth between the left & right just to fuck with people and keep them off balance. :lol

hey kev, i dont need your sass right now, okay:rolleyes...

[skywalker_009]

That's very true and it kind of surprised me at the time.

:thumbsup... it definately seemed like he had previously thought out what he would need done if that situation arouse...

[UNLTrpt]

yeah, i dunno... hey someone should check to make sure that the bad eye from the last episode was the same as the bad eye a while back... wild shot in the dark... wouldnt hurt to look...

its the same eye.

I had actually thought about that after the episode so I checked.

http://www.lostpedia.com/images/0/08/3X11_PatchyGivesUp.jpg when he gave up to locke.

http://www.lostpedia.com/images/7/7f/He%27s_baaa-aaack.jpg when he stumbled upon the parachute girl

[junior94]

Easy there, sweet cheeks, I didn't call you dumb! :lol But I will if you keep talkin' back to me like that!

That's sort of what my issue was, initially. Are we later going to see a flashback of Ben giving another set of commands to the Others... like, to go communicate with Dharma people and tell them what happened? To do something to help cover up the crash?

Oooooh, hey, as long as you keep callin me sweet cheeks too at the same time. :D :hump I'll show you sweet checks missy! mmmhmmmm :cool :lol

If I keep it up, will... will you punish me? Will you spank me? Will you.... tell me I've been a bad boy?


errrrr... Here's the thing about this whole possible media spin/crash coverup. And I don't really think saying this would be considered so much a spoiler to hide it. Back when AICN had displayed what was finally confirmed as the flashbacks order for like the last 6, they had an inside "source" saying that for the Ben episode I think it was, there was going to be a mystery ("if you could call it that..." - his words) answered way back from season 1. And to top it off sorta as a teaser as to what it was referring to, he said that when Charlie asked the question "Where are we?" at the midpoint in the pilot after they'd heard the transmission, quoting now from the source -- "Maybe a better question would've been 'Who are we?'"
So, I dunno, that kind of leads me to believe that it's maybe not just about some outside corporate force having planted bodies and plane wreckage of 815. Becaues quite honestly, I'm kinda hoping that is NOT where that's going, if nothing else because that'd sorta be the easy answer to that. I mean shit after all, look at how quickly after the episode aired last night that practically EVERBODY went to that as their first thought in regards to Naomi's revelation. And I mean, just speaking as a writer and especially when you're dealing with something that's heavily dependant on mystery, a good general rule to use it, if it's the first thing that YOU think of, it'll probably be the first thing the AUDIENCE thinks of as well, and thus it's maybe not the best next step to use (after all if the goal is to surprise them).


hey kev, i dont need your sass right now, okay:rolleyes...

Honestly Sky I wasn't even making fun of ya or busting on you. I thought what you said was funny and it inspired me to make the joke I did. Although right after I posted I wondered, since you are quite the yougin after all, do you even know who Andy Kaufman is? :D

[Route_2]

Personally, I think the recovery of Flight 815 has to do with this whole concept of alternate timelines that is starting to become apparent. Maybe once the flight entered the space of the island the timelines of those aboard split in two and there is crash on the outside but survivors on the island. It just seems like this whole time concept is going to get hashed out more in the upcoming episodes, along with all the other time related happenings recently. Also, Damon and Carlton have suggested in the past that the time that has passed on the island may not sync up with time that has passed in the 'real world'.

[Panther41]

Here's the answer to everything:

The island makes Ben omnipotent. The "box" he tells Locke about, the one where anything Ben imagines comes into being? That box is the island. Who knows how long Ben has been there, but he took control of the place at some point (perhaps he even started out as Dharma Initiative). Anyway, he got bored. So he plays his games with people, but it drives him nuts that he can't use his power to create life (children). He doesn't understand why that ability is sealed off to him.

Then it gets worse... he finds out he has cancer, something else he thought should be impossible, because he didn't Will it to happen.

Then Locke comes along, and discovers he can walk despite arriving paralyzed. This fascinates Ben, because it means Locke is exercising the same power he is. Moreover, Locke is healing himself with it, yet Ben can't seem to heal his own cancer.

Whatever Locke saw in the pilot episode--that's what the big payoff will be at the end of this season. We will see the face of the island.

And whatever "favor" the island was showing Ben, is now transferring to Locke.

[junior94]

That reminds me, for the folks who've talked before about the possibility of this or that person being "Jacob", the apparent real leader of the Others -- and maybe actually Derek already knows this if it came froma podcast, I'm not sure where it did, but TPTB have confirmed that we HAVE NOT MET Jacob yet, so he's not gonna turn out to be Jack's dad, or Penny's dad, or whatever..

[GinaNMU]

Here's the answer to everything:

The island makes Ben omnipotent. The "box" he tells Locke about, the one where anything Ben imagines comes into being? That box is the island. Who knows how long Ben has been there, but he took control of the place at some point (perhaps he even started out as Dharma Initiative). Anyway, he got bored. So he plays his games with people, but it drives him nuts that he can't use his power to create life (children). He doesn't understand why that ability is sealed off to him.

Then it gets worse... he finds out he has cancer, something else he thought should be impossible, because he didn't Will it to happen.

Then Locke comes along, and discovers he can walk despite arriving paralyzed. This fascinates Ben, because it means Locke is exercising the same power he is. Moreover, Locke is healing himself with it, yet Ben can't seem to heal his own cancer.

Whatever Locke saw in the pilot episode--that's what the big payoff will be at the end of this season. We will see the face of the island.

And whatever "favor" the island was showing Ben, is now transferring to Locke.

:confused Huh? What part?

[DMBand520]

That reminds me, for the folks who've talked before about the possibility of this or that person being "Jacob", the apparent real leader of the Others -- and maybe actually Derek already knows this if it came froma podcast, I'm not sure where it did, but TPTB have confirmed that we HAVE NOT MET Jacob yet, so he's not gonna turn out to be Jack's dad, or Penny's dad, or whatever..

Maybe Jacob is the smoke monster? lol

[Route_2]

Check out this link. Some people have taken the time to isolate the audio from the moments in the show where the mysterious 'whispers' can be heard in the jungle. This is very interesting because a lot of them sound like two people having a conversation about whatever is going on in the scene as if they are observing it somehow.

Here is a sample from when Sayid leaves the beach in "Solitary" (Season 1) and stumbles upon Rousseau. This is before he gets booby trapped in the jungle:

Man's voice:
Just let him get out of here
Man's voice:
He's seen too much already
Man's voice:
What if he tells
Woman's voice:
Could just speak to him
Man's voice:
No

http://lostwhispering.blogspot.com/

Very cool stuff!

[junior94]

Check out this link. Some people have taken the time to isolate the audio from the moments in the show where the mysterious 'whispers' can be heard in the jungle. This is very interesting because a lot of them sound like two people having a conversation about whatever is going on in the scene as if they are observing it somehow.

Here is a sample from when Sayid leaves the beach in "Solitary" (Season 1) and stumbles upon Rousseau. This is before he gets booby trapped in the jungle:

Man's voice:
Just let him get out of here
Man's voice:
He's seen too much already
Man's voice:
What if he tells
Woman's voice:
Could just speak to him
Man's voice:
No

http://lostwhispering.blogspot.com/

Very cool stuff!

It's rather interesting you bring this up (haven't listened yet though) because as I've mentioned several times lately I've been revisiting season 1 and of course the whole whispering hasn't been touched upon in a LOOOOONG time now, I'd venture to say the most recently would be maybe halfway thru season 2. But particularly in those s1 scenes where it happens I've been trying particularly to listen to them to see if I could pick anything up. And I'm still figuring our best bet as to what it's all about is strategically placed speakers all over land, because like I said - that Others funeral service.

But great pick up here, I'l be looking into this.

[Route_2]

It's rather interesting you bring this up (haven't listened yet though) because as I've mentioned several times lately I've been revisiting season 1 and of course the whole whispering hasn't been touched upon in a LOOOOONG time now, I'd venture to say the most recently would be maybe halfway thru season 2. But particularly in those s1 scenes where it happens I've been trying particularly to listen to them to see if I could pick anything up. And I'm still figuring our best bet as to what it's all about is strategically placed speakers all over land, because like I said - that Others funeral service.

But great pick up here, I'l be looking into this.

The interesting thing about that is that these seem like they're not intended for the character(s) in the scene to hear. It's as if the voices are observing the scene from somewhere and commenting on it, but also, in the case where Ben is caught by the Losties, directing him what to say and how to act. They seem aligned with the others, but not as malicious, more concerned.

[GinaNMU]

Holy new preview. My heart like, JUMPED when I saw this...


http://youtube.com/watch?v=WGfvp3hG_pk&mode=related&search=


:multi These next eps are going to be SO GOOOOOD!!!

[snapmcd]

I'm surprised no one has brought up the (however debunked) purgatory theory.

[junior94]

Holy new preview. My heart like, JUMPED when I saw this...


http://youtube.com/watch?v=WGfvp3hG_pk&mode=related&search=


:multi These next eps are going to be SO GOOOOOD!!!

Hmm.. did you see the other preview though, the one that's listed in the "similar videos" list on the side there, that's 1:24 long (that's obviously played at times on ABC since last Wednesday night but I've missed it, well, then again I don't watch any other shows of theirs)? The scene where Locke approaches Sawyer when he's trying to take a leak? Curious, I mean I knew that now we're getting another Locke ep that surely he'd try to get Sawyer involved and you knew the connection between those two and Anthony Cooper would finally come to a head (like they'd kill him "together" somehow) but I'm not sure I understand why Locke would be wanting/needing Sawyer to kill Ben.

Oh and Ginger, I thought maybe some people already did bring up the purgatory thing just in a joking manner, but I would say certainly nobody's gotta be talking about it seriously. Well lemme put it this way, if after all this time they try and pull it that it WOULD BE purgatory, I'm personally gonna kidnap and torture JJ Abrams, Damon Lindelof & Cartlon Cuse for having then wasted at least 120 hours of my life's attention span (24 one hour episodes from at least would-be 5 seasons) :p:lol

[GinaNMU]

Hmm.. did you see the other preview though, the one that's listed in the "similar videos" list on the side there, that's 1:24 long (that's obviously played at times on ABC since last Wednesday night but I've missed it, well, then again I don't watch any other shows of theirs)? The scene where Locke approaches Sawyer when he's trying to take a leak? Curious, I mean I knew that now we're getting another Locke ep that surely he'd try to get Sawyer involved and you knew the connection between those two and Anthony Cooper would finally come to a head (like they'd kill him "together" somehow) but I'm not sure I understand why Locke would be wanting/needing Sawyer to kill Ben.



I don't think that guy with the bag over his head is Ben... I'm pretty sure it's the one person who ties Locke and Sawyer together that is now on the island. Somehow Locke found out who this guy really is (the real Sawyer) and for some reason needs James-Sawyer to do it)

[uneverknow14]

how many episodes are left?

[skywalker_009]

how many episodes are left?

im pretty sure that its three with four hours(locke, ben, jack x2)... someone might have to correct me though...

[tdowe99]

There are 4 episodes left:

Brig
Man Behind the Curtain
Greatest Hits
Through the Looking Glass

[skywalker_009]

There are 4 episodes left:

Brig
Man Behind the Curtain
Greatest Hits
Through the Looking Glass

whoops, who did i miss...

[junior94]

im pretty sure that its three with four hours(locke, ben, jack x2)... someone might have to correct me though...

Close there kiddo ;) :D

As a reminder...

3x19 -- John Locke (1hr)
3x20 -- Ben Linus (1hr)
3x21 -- Charlie Pace (1hr)
3x22/23 -- Jack Shephard (season finale, 2hr show on 1 night)

[JimiThang1]

Kevin what is another use of visual effects in the characters backstories on the show besides being used for setting (bluescreen backgrounds) and traumatic events (Locke falling, what Kate did, Hurley's meteor)?

[UNLTrpt]

Holy new preview. My heart like, JUMPED when I saw this...


http://youtube.com/watch?v=WGfvp3hG_pk&mode=related&search=


:multi These next eps are going to be SO GOOOOOD!!!

does Locke say "lookin for you asshole"?

[uneverknow14]

eek, i'll be in costa rica the two weeks before the final episode...i think maybe the wednesday of the finale i'll watch the two episodes i missed leading up to the finale, then watch the finale right after...4 straight hours of lost!...i think i'm gonna try to convince my bf to miss them too since i'll be watching all of them at his place most likely...i don't know if he'll be able to resist watching for 2 weeks though

[tedies]

Close there kiddo ;) :D

As a reminder...

3x19 -- John Locke (1hr)
3x20 -- Ben Linus (1hr)
3x21 -- Charlie Pace (1hr)
3x22/23 -- Jack Shephard (season finale, 2hr show on 1 night)
I'm so scared of the Charlie episode. He is gonna die and he is one of my favorites. :lorraine

[Talula62]

I don't think that guy with the bag over his head is Ben... I'm pretty sure it's the one person who ties Locke and Sawyer together that is now on the island. Somehow Locke found out who this guy really is (the real Sawyer) and for some reason needs James-Sawyer to do it) I'm with Gina on this one.

I'm so scared of the Charlie episode. He is gonna die and he is one of my favorites. :lorraine
That's going to be super anticlimactic if he dies. Maybe Desmond will die instead.

[JimiThang1]

I'm with Gina on this one.


That's going to be super anticlimactic if he dies. Maybe Desmond will die instead.
Can't be Desmond, he's the key to the series and everyone getting off the island. My guess Ben dies...

[junior94]

I'm with Gina on this one.


That's going to be super anticlimactic if he dies. Maybe Desmond will die instead.

Wait a sec I'm confused -- Alli how did you even see what was in Gina's post? To me it just showed up that weird way like you know how (supposedly I thought, anyway) you can't both quote someone and use spoiler tags in the same post because it messes it up. So like on my screen there was my post quoted (with the part that Gina bolded) and the spoiler button but whenever I clicked on it all it did was keeping making the part up top where it says "quote=junior" dissapear and reeappear. It's hard to explain but I'm sure you all know what I'm talking about and have seen it before.

Anyway speaking to what Gina actually said reading by way of Alli's post, okay well I still hadnt seen the "normal" preview for this week since I watched last week's ep by way of torrent so I hadn't seen any shot of Locke having someone in a hood. I just saw that special minute and a half one where Locke first approaches Sawyer like I described. But hmm yea that's weird, if it's really Cooper under this hood I wonder why Johnny boy would go about it with our favorite James Ford that way.
(I was just thinking we need that cool smiley that you can use in yahoo's email system where he's rubbing his chin real contemplative like, wondering something very intently :D )

Actualy though that gives me a neat little idea for a question to pass around for our dysfunctional family of LOST fanatics here. Not that it would actually happen (god forbid!), but seeing as how our show has been for a couple weeks now blowing 24 outta the water for most posted about show that it's only right that we get a customized smiley related to the show as they've got screaming constipated (I'm just guessing, anyway) Bauer down in the corner -- if we were to get a LOST-represented smiley on Ants, what/who should it depict?

Can't be Desmond, he's the key to the series and everyone getting off the island. My guess Ben dies...

Pffftt, well that's just GREAT Derek, go ahead and ruin the whole goddamn series for me!! :p See if I help you with your stinkin class project now!

Nah Alli's right (& no I'm not just saying that because she's my Ants lover :hump ) to off Charlie would be weak, I can almost guarantee you it's not gonna happen. Actually given that so many of his would've-been deaths had involved Claire, I kinda was thinking recently that it'd be ironic if she bites the dust this year. But I dunno, would they necessarily wanna do that before they directly address the bro/sis issue with Jack, do they need her still alive when that comes to a head. I forget, have we gotten at this point an official confirmation that we definitely WILL be having a major character die by the finale (& if multiple, exactly how many)? I mean that might actually be kinda old news and I just forget or whatever, but I can't quote anything now. I tell ya as much as I really can't stand Jack right now, gotta admit I'm very curious as to what his flashbacks would be, especially (assuming, anyway) that we're getting 2 hours worth for that finale, I mean what else is there to tell in his past, unless it's gonna be like Locke where it'll be all island-related flashbacks.

Then again that doesn't make any sense to say what else could they tell, because here's the thing, you KNOW that Jack ain't dying anytime soon (boy it'd be ballsy if it was him this year), and so assuming that obviously he'd get another at least 2 more flashback eps next year, so that's gotta come from somwhere. Plus remembering part of what they'd said regarding both Boone & Shannon, that they'd gotten to a point with those characters where they'd felt they'd essentially told all of the story they'd wanted to with them, so with that reasoning it wasn't like they were the random main characters they picked to kill off, but it was merely a natural progression.

edit: Derek, I'll think on your FX question a bit and get back to ya. good luck in the meantime.

[JimiThang1]

Pffftt, well that's just GREAT Derek, go ahead and ruin the whole goddamn series for me!! :p See if I help you with your stinkin class project now!

Nah Alli's right (& no I'm not just saying that because she's my Ants lover :hump ) to off Charlie would be weak, I can almost guarantee you it's not gonna happen. Actually given that so many of his would've-been deaths had involved Claire, I kinda was thinking recently that it'd be ironic if she bites the dust this year. But I dunno, would they necessarily wanna do that before they directly address the bro/sis issue with Jack, do they need her still alive when that comes to a head. I forget, have we gotten at this point an official confirmation that we definitely WILL be having a major character die by the finale (& if multiple, exactly how many)? I mean that might actually be kinda old news and I just forget or whatever, but I can't quote anything now. I tell ya as much as I really can't stand Jack right now, gotta admit I'm very curious as to what his flashbacks would be, especially (assuming, anyway) that we're getting 2 hours worth for that finale, I mean what else is there to tell in his past, unless it's gonna be like Locke where it'll be all island-related flashbacks.

Then again that doesn't make any sense to say what else could they tell, because here's the thing, you KNOW that Jack ain't dying anytime soon (boy it'd be ballsy if it was him this year), and so assuming that obviously he'd get another at least 2 more flashback eps next year, so that's gotta come from somwhere. Plus remembering part of what they'd said regarding both Boone & Shannon, that they'd gotten to a point with those characters where they'd felt they'd essentially told all of the story they'd wanted to with them, so with that reasoning it wasn't like they were the random main characters they picked to kill off, but it was merely a natural progression.

edit: Derek, I'll think on your FX question a bit and get back to ya. good luck in the meantime.

The thing with Jack is that I think it is very interesting that this season is being bookended by two Jack episodes. I'm thinking it possibly could be island flashbacks showing us the weeks time he was with the Others and what actually happened.

[GinaNMU]

This is what my spoiler said:

I don't think that guy with the bag over his head is Ben... I'm pretty sure it's the one person who ties Locke and Sawyer together that is now on the island. Somehow Locke found out who this guy really is (the real Sawyer) and for some reason needs James-Sawyer to do it)

[JimiThang1]

This is what my spoiler said:

I whole heartedly agree...I think this is where the connection b/w John and Sawyer is going to come into play.

[tdowe99]

I agree, Gina, and like we've thought all along...

It's gonna be Anthony Cooper

[tdowe99]

Also, I'm calling it now:

Charlie better not drown or get eaten by a Dharma shark. I've also read that it may be a huge misdirection, and Charlie won't die, but another character. On the other hand, Dominic has confirmed that he won't be back for Season 4. Doesn't sound good.

[Talula62]

Kev, if you just quote the post that the spoiler is in, then you can see the body of the spoiler in the text box.

Also, I'm calling it now:

Charlie better not drown or get eaten by a Dharma shark. I've also read that it may be a huge misdirection, and Charlie won't die, but another character. On the other hand, Dominic has confirmed that he won't be back for Season 4. Doesn't sound good.Whoa, what? Really? When did that happen?

[dh4645]

Oh also failed to mention -- SO GLAD we see some evidence that the Losties are FINALLY sharing things with one another!!! This has obviously been one of our chief complaints as fans during the whole series. Now, I knew that Mikhail reappeared (for those who didn't look that was the spoiler info I posted a couple pages back), but now that I saw the scene in which he did, my mind immediately went to "oh great, but none of these guys were involved with him last time so nobody knows who the hell he is". But then thankfully we get from Charlie that Kate had already spread the world about Mikhail, so they knew to be extra suspicious of him. There's no reason why all these different people wouldn't have all this time been telling each other who and what they see on different parts of the island so it's great to see it's finally actually happening.

And once again Hurley was a fucking riot. When he shot up the flare, they all did that slow turn around towards him and his "ooops", oh man I lost it. And also with the phone and Mikhail, "Like I'd tell you..." :thumbsup :lol

I thought the same exact thing about them sharing information.
1st when kate tells sun about juliette and then the guys knowing that Mikhail was supposed to be dead.
its about time

[GinaNMU]

I agree, Gina, and like we've thought all along...

It's gonna be Anthony Cooper

Totally. 100%

Also, I'm calling it now:

Charlie better not drown or get eaten by a Dharma shark. I've also read that it may be a huge misdirection, and Charlie won't die, but another character. On the other hand, Dominic has confirmed that he won't be back for Season 4. Doesn't sound good.

WHOA. Damnit Tony!! I didn't know that about Dominic!! ugh.

[dh4645]

I might be mistaken, but I thought Mikhail only said that people heal faster on the island, not that they don't stay dead.

yeah he said they heal faster (in reference to the new chicks injuries)...on another episode locke said that nothing stays buried on the island.

[dh4645]

Or just bring it back to the village and charge it in one of the houses with running water and electricity....man I hate how they just don't move in.

my fiance says this every episode. i totally agree with her...and you

[dh4645]

This bothered me. I'll accept that Mikhail didn't die but was just very injuried and then the island healed him, BUT then I started thinking about how all those other people died and didn't have the island magically heal them.

maybe the smoke monster is/are tiny healing nanobots. :)

[Talula62]

WHOA. Damnit Tony!! I didn't know that about Dominic!! ugh.
Until Tony comes back and clarifies this, it's unconfirmed as far as I'm concerned. I read spoilers and I haven't read that. I went through a spoiler thread, a spoiler speculation thread that's longer than our thread here, and a "Deathwatch 2006-2007" thread (as it's common spoiler knowledge how many deaths there will be this month, just not who) and I don't see any confirmation of that.

[junior94]

maybe the smoke monster is/are tiny healing nanobots. :)

I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic with that or not. Way early on in last season nanobot techcnology was the hip new theory everyone had for Smokezilla but TPTB shot tthat down. They confirmed it's not nanobots.

[dh4645]

I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic with that or not. Way early on in last season nanobot techcnology was the hip new theory everyone had for Smokezilla but TPTB shot tthat down. They confirmed it's not nanobots.

hence the smiley face..sarcastic indeed.

that sucks about dominic

[junior94]

Also, I'm calling it now:


Awww shit, are you serious?? :eek I hadn't heard that, you're saying you know that definitely 100% for fact?

:( Well not only does that majorly bum me out to know that person's done, but umm hello, doesn't that make the end of the season question rather OBVIOUS? Seriously.. for anyone who read what tdowe99 poster, what else could that mean? If that's the truth, damn that really fuckin bums me out :twak

edit: that's what I get for lingering way too long to finish my post :p

[tdowe99]

Until Tony comes back and clarifies this, it's unconfirmed as far as I'm concerned. I read spoilers and I haven't read that.

It's from this page:
http://lostpedia.com/wiki/Season_4/spoilers

I misread it, but like anything it's just a rumor:

Life & Style magazine is reporting that Dominic Monaghan (Charlie) has been told he won't be back for next season.

[Talula62]

Ahh, that's right, I'd read that one a while ago but never heard anything of it again. I did read this morning, though, that Kristen from E! debunked that one. Not that it means anything definitively as far as who will die or not. Just taht we're still guessing!

[GinaNMU]

:lol You crazies and your damn spoilers. I try so hard not to read them/weird boards and websites but thanks to this thread I get sucked in!!

[Route_2]

So, from the most recent podcast from Darlton, they say that Naomi is either a) lying about the plane being discovered or b) there is some sort of conspiracy going on. Just in case anyone was still clinging to the purgatory explanation even after its debunking.

The also imply the Mikhail was merely injured by the push the sonic fence by Locke.

[tdowe99]

Also, from the Season 3 spoilers page:

Seriously, don't read. :)
Domonic Monaghan stated in an interview with Media Guardian, that his flashback episode would be one of the last in the season, however, not the finale but that his character would play an important role in the finale without him physically being there.


So, if he drowns, yet connects the underwater sonar thing, maybe they can contact the outside world. Thus, he's played an important role but he's no longer there physically.

[clemson357]

I missed this show for about a year and now it makes no sense.

[dh4645]

I missed this show for about a year and now it makes no sense.

you better catch up

[junior94]

Well wait I never got my question asnwered. someone earlier said that it's "common knowledge" how many characters will die by the season finale -- how many is it? I missed this somehow.

[dh4645]

Well wait I never got my question asnwered. someone earlier said that it's "common knowledge" how many characters will die by the season finale -- how many is it? I missed this somehow.

i have no idea either, but dont wanna know. pm junior94 with his answer

[Talula62]

Common spoiler knowledge, Kev, so common knowledge for the "spoiled." Still want to know?

I can't do it here. I'll link to it or something instead. Hold please.

[tdowe99]

That's alot!

[Talula62]

Okay, it's the first news item on this page: http://www.tvguide.com/News-Views/Columnists/Ask-Ausiello/default.aspx?columndate=18-Apr-2007

[junior94]

Hoooollllllly SHIT :eek

Well like I said before, from reading that one EW article a couple weeks ago, Lindelof said that they're well aware that after the season finale we wo'nt have any LOST again until Jan '08, it'll be by far our longest wait since the series started, so with that in mind they plan on going out with one helluva monster bang to cushion the wait.

edit: and actually what I said before about "you KNOW Jack won't die", I take that back. If for no other reason than, and I can understand this being a writer myself, since the originally had to drop the idea of killing Jack halfway thru the pilot, I bet they've been thinking all along in their hands that they'd still like to be able use that somewhere, like okay so maybe they couldn't kill him THAT early, but that theyd still wanna do it before the series was over for the shock value it would still have.

[Talula62]

Hoooollllllly SHIT :eek
Word.

[Heavy As Stone]

I am seriously never clicking a spoiler box again.

Then again, I can't seem to help myself. I may have to stop coming to this thread. That makes me sad :(

[Talula62]

Oh, you won't stop. You know you don't know how to quit us. ;)

Did you click them all or just the one with the unconfirmed rumor in it? :lol We really know very little for sure about anything!

[Route_2]

I know some people don't enjoy the spoilers, but I can't get enough of them. There is so much going on in this show right now and leading up to the finale that all sorts of info is flying all over the interweb and most of it is hard to resist.

As long as we're on the topic of characters dying, I thought I would throw this up, especially since some of you now the number of characters rumored to die by the end of Season 3. This is unconfirmed 3rd party information from The Fuselage website. We shall see if it is true in a month.

Ben dies in the finale along with a few Others, as does Kate and Sayid. Sawyer and most of the Losties blame Jack and Juliet for Kate and Sayid's deaths due to his plan. Jack is forced to go with the surviving Others, and we see Tom by his side as he protects his new leader. From the sky we see images of the island as if from the viewpoint of a coming aircraft. It seems DHARMA has sent someone (or something) to the island and it's not nice.

[GinaNMU]

Why are we all so spoiler crazy over the past couple days??? Do we have NO patience??? :lol

:multi :multi :multi

[tdowe99]

Route_2, that's some crazy shit if it's true.

[JimiThang1]

Damn ya'll are spoiler crazy today...what's the dealio...I'm so not clicking those things.

[tankdan]

Yo, here's what I want...

Since it's gonna be a huge wait for the next season to begin, would it be so hard to actually have CLOSURE during this season finale? I mean, why can't they just wrap up the season nicely and maybe leave one little area of the story open? I want them to reveal stuff and to wrap up some loose ends, not pull out a bunch of completely unanswered new questions (statue foot, hatch explosion, Michael/Walt) that will go unanswered for ALL/MOST of the NEXT season!

I mean, we're all gonna watch next season, so is it really necessary to make the season finale ALL questions and no answers? Just explain some of the stuff that has already gone on long enough and I'm sure there will still be plenty of new mystery.

Dan