LOST (the tv show)

[skywalker_009]

I tell ya as much as I really can't stand Jack right now, gotta admit I'm very curious as to what his flashbacks would be, especially (assuming, anyway) that we're getting 2 hours worth for that finale, I mean what else is there to tell in his past, unless it's gonna be like Locke where it'll be all island-related flashbacks.

eh, im sure that jack has a piercing or two that we dont know about...

[skywalker_009]

Yo, here's what I want...

Since it's gonna be a huge wait for the next season to begin, would it be so hard to actually have CLOSURE during this season finale? I mean, why can't they just wrap up the season nicely and maybe leave one little area of the story open? I want them to reveal stuff and to wrap up some loose ends, not pull out a bunch of completely unanswered new questions (statue foot, hatch explosion, Michael/Walt) that will go unanswered for ALL/MOST of the NEXT season!

I mean, we're all gonna watch next season, so is it really necessary to make the season finale ALL questions and no answers? Just explain some of the stuff that has already gone on long enough and I'm sure there will still be plenty of new mystery.

Dan

im sure well get a few answers... just for every answer, we will get two more crazy questions in its place... then... BOOM... LOST... and then we wait a year...

im sure we can do it though... we will have each other for support:hug ...

[GinaNMU]

Damn ya'll are spoiler crazy today...what's the dealio...I'm so not clicking those things.

That's what I'm sayin! At least mine was just a theory, not "hey wanna know who probably dies?!?!" :lol

[Talula62]

eh, im sure that jack has a piercing or two that we dont know about...:lol :lol It's in his naughty no-no spot too. I forget what his tattoos mean already. :lol

Route_2, that was indeed some crazy shit in those spoiler tags. If it's true - I'm out, no joke this time. But, I don't believe it anyway. I've seen a few too many foilers in my day and when we're talking about a season finale... man, there's no way we're gonna know what goes down before it goes down! :multi

[JimiThang1]

:lol :lol It's in his naughty no-no spot too. I forget what his tattoos mean already. :lol

Route_2, that was indeed some crazy shit in those spoiler tags. If it's true - I'm out, no joke this time. But, I don't believe it anyway. I've seen a few too many foilers in my day and when we're talking about a season finale... man, there's no way we're gonna know what goes down before it goes down! :multi
Whatever it is you know you wont be out...if you can withstand cloned Francie's and Rambaldi zombies you can believe in any crazy shit.

[Talula62]

Whatever it is you know you wont be out...if you can withstand cloned Francie's and Rambaldi zombies you can believe in any crazy shit.You and your logic Derek! Can't you let me express my irrational anger!? :lol

[junior94]

Hmmm... I don't really consider knowing the specific number of people who are gonna die to be really that much of a spoiler honestly, and this is coming from a guy who's always been quite anti-spoilers, I've never understood why people go after them to the degree in which they do when the enjoyment of the show is the slow burn of the reveal, I mean I've no doubt that Alli and Derek in particular remember how much crap I used to give them and tease them about how much they were ALL ABOUT friggin spoiler junkies back towards the end of s1 and most of s2 :p
But hell people who know this show well enough, you just know that somebody's dying every season, so really for me to be aware of the exact number, I feel like that just helps to ramp up the excitement and anticipation of the finale that much more. I don't feel ruined for these last few at all.

Having said that, I do kind of wish I didn't bother to look at Route_2's spoiler tag, I suppose I only did at first because he was saying how much it was totally just rumored right now, so I didn't put a lot of weight to it. But, I dunno, it was specific enough that if that DOES turn out to be what happens then I'll be quite bummed I'll have already known about it, because all of that will really take some folks by surprise.

As to the point of the ratio of answers-to-questions, of course we're gonna get some significant answers. I think they've done pretty good now in each season with delivering plenty of goodies in both the season premieres and finales of each year, at the same time teasing you on other things. I for one for the most part feel like they've struck a decent balance so far (though I'm probably in the camp that's still miffed at all that we were shown of the hatch in the s1 finale, they said we'd find out what was "inside it", and yea we did but only in the VERY strictest of terms :p Gee okay, so it's a ladder leading to.... somewhere. :lol )

Do you guys realize though, it's not really correct that we've always referred to all the things as "hatches". I mean yea the initial way we were introduced to it was by the door of entry, appopriately enough referred to as a hatch, but that's really all that it specifically refers to, the door. I know this is a totally anal detail that I thought of, but they always refer to the whole overall thing as "the hatch", but that's only describing the door. :p Hmm maybe to call them all bunkers would've sounded more correct. But yea that's been floating in the back of my mind since way back in the start of s2.

Oh and Sky, you're actually painting the offseason wait out to be worse than it will, you said about waiting a year. Not true, it'll only be about 7 months ;) May 2007 s3 finale - Jan 2008 s4 premiere.


edit: Almost forgot -- I think this actually may've been already "confirmed" by someone earlier, that whole question brought up about that tattoo on Jack's inner left forearm that so many thought was new and so assumed he had it done while living in Othersville... well since I'd been going back and looking at so many s1 eps thought I'd jump in to double confirm, and I even freeze framed it. Mind you I've never known exactly what it's supposed to be, but YES JACK HAD THAT INNER LEFT FOREARM TATTOO ALL THE WAY BACK IN SEASON 1 ;)

[tankdan]

Kevin, I don't have anything else to add at this moment, but I laughed at your argument of "hatch" vs "bunker."

Off all the things...

Okay, so by the season finale, I want to find out about Michael/Walt.

I would add something about the statue foot or something else, but, really, this is my only big lingering question.

We've learned more about the smoke monster than we ever knew this season, we've learned a LOT more about the Others this season, and we've seen more off-island stuff than ever before. I'm content with where this season has gone so far!

Dan

[GinaNMU]

Kevin, I don't have anything else to add at this moment, but I laughed at your argument of "hatch" vs "bunker."

Off all the things...

Okay, so by the season finale, I want to find out about Michael/Walt.

I would add something about the statue foot or something else, but, really, this is my only big lingering question.



Hmm...I actually heard in podcast awhile back that they weren't going to touch back on Michael and Walt until next season. Right now they don't seem to really fit into the storyline other than 1. Walt is a kid, and 2. CAN you get off the island?

But again, you never know.

[Route_2]

Hmm...I actually heard in podcast awhile back that they weren't going to touch back on Michael and Walt until next season. Right now they don't seem to really fit into the storyline other than 1. Walt is a kid, and 2. CAN you get off the island?

But again, you never know.

In addition to that, it sounds like the producers are having trouble locking down Harold Perrineau to come back next season. So we might never even see Michael and Walt again. The writers will most likely just slip in a quick explanation of what happened to them somewhere in the story.

[ryguy178]

What a great show.

[JimiThang1]

What a great show.
:eek

He's back from the dead!

[ryguy178]

Like Desmond!

[JimiThang1]

Like Desmond!
Welcome back to the only thread I post in now!

[ryguy178]

Welcome back to the only thread I post in now!
Well, i'm glad I found you then.

[JimiThang1]

Well, i'm glad I found you then.
We're the most popular TV show on this website now...the jack bauer icon needs to be changed to a john locke icon.

[ryguy178]

We're the most popular TV show on this website now...the jack bauer icon needs to be changed to a john locke icon.
24 sucks.



In before lock.

[JimiThang1]

24 sucks.



In before lock.
This season especially...

[Talula62]

What did he tell you about in before lock, Ryan!! :twenty4

:lol

[GinaNMU]

What a great show.

Hi Ryan! I DO know you!! :lol

I just wrote in your thread that I wasn't sure how I knew you, but NOW it's all coming back to me...

LOST brings people together :hug

[ryguy178]

hehe. Hi people I like.

[DynastyDrummer1]

I'd just like to state that I've gone 2 weeks without looking at the spoilers.

It's worse than quitting smoking...

and anyone else pumped for the next 4 weeks?:monkey :monkey

[uneverknow14]

We're the most popular TV show on this website now...the jack bauer icon needs to be changed to a john locke icon.

that's only because niptuck is in the off season :D

[junior94]

Hmm...I actually heard in podcast awhile back that they weren't going to touch back on Michael and Walt until next season. Right now they don't seem to really fit into the storyline other than 1. Walt is a kid, and 2. CAN you get off the island?

But again, you never know.

Yea, it's been confirmed multiple times now for awhile by the producers dating back at least a couple months (& I've stated it a couple times here myself) that despite Michael & Walt's complete exclusion from season 3, THEY WILL BE ONCE AGAIN DEALT WITH IN SEASON 4. ;)
Now of course for how long, who knows. Shit it might only be a single episode, but they're not gone out of the mythology forever.

But speaking of no-shows, you realize we STILL haven't seen Bernard & Rose at all this year? Now I'm not necessarily expecting there to be some significant reason why they haven't been to be explained or anything, I think it's likely just that the writers felt that they had so much other important story material that needed to be dealt with first, but considering they were deemed important enough to get their own flashback ep last year, I think it'd be kinda odd if they didn't at least make a single on-camera appearance by the close of the finale in a few weeks, if even just for something relatively simple to remind viewers that yes, they have still been there in the background all season.

We're the most popular TV show on this website now...the jack bauer icon needs to be changed to a john locke icon.

Well Derek did you catch my question to everyone about that? I suppose I could understand if you and everybody else for that matter didn't, I've been making posts of such frequency and obscene length lately that it could've easily been lost in the shuffle :p But yea in the wake of us kicking the 24 thread's ass I posed the question that if we could get a Lost-related icon (though you know we wouldn't) what/who should it depict?

[newscane]

But yea in the wake of us kicking the 24 thread's ass I posed the question that if we could get a Lost-related icon (though you know we wouldn't) what/who should it depict?
some ideas:
Sawyer (for the "rage" usage)
Kate (for the... well, you know... usage) < should be animated..
A boar
A polar bear

That's all I have for now...

[siouxsiesue]

Kevin, you just touched on a convo that I had with a co-worker last week. We were also wondering if Walt and Michael will be brought back and noticed the absence of Rose and Bernard.

And one of the reasons why I love and also get frustrated with this show is they give us 2-3 intense episodes with back stories of a particular character and then that same character gets zero attention for a while...

Tomorrow night's show looks interesting from the previews. I refuse to read spoilers! See you all after the show tomorrow.

[ryguy178]

So what's the general consensus...ya'll like this season?

[junior94]

Kevin, you just touched on a convo that I had with a co-worker last week. We were also wondering if Walt and Michael will be brought back and noticed the absence of Rose and Bernard.


Well I'll grant you that Bernard & Rose were kind of getting a healthy amount of attention for their absence going back a few weeks ago I remember for a good while because when everyone knew that we'd had this mysterious Nikki & Paulo flashback coming up, there was a big rumor that whatever Desmond did after turning the key and going back to the past, he changed something there to somehow actually alter the existence of the two, the idea was that N&P weren't actually on flight 815, that B&S had actually become N&P, they replaced them physically, in a cosmic sense. I mean I know others will know what the hell I'm talking about even though it's hard to explain, because it was definitely discussed here. However once we saw their flashbacks it was obviously all debunked becuase we saw that they were indeed on the plane, so they have nothing to do with B&S's s3 absence.

So what's the general consensus...ya'll like this season?

I don't think I'd be tellin tales outta school if I said that going back a couple months ago now, there was a stretch of about 3 or 4 eps where things were so head scratchingly mediocre that even the most devoted fans were talking about possibly jumping ship. Like I recall that the one Jack-back about the "reveal" of his tattoos guest staring Bai Ling, most around here saw that as just a bad, bad filler episode and pissed a lot of poeple off, but yea for a few weeks in a row there so many people were quite dissapointed. Plus because over the course of two straight weeks (including that Jack one), the producers and/or network just outright lied to us in the previews that we'd see for those particular shows. First they said "3 MAJOR LOST mysteries will finally be revealed" which was nothing short of a fucking joke, it wasn't even remotely big time stuff, and then the next week they say "If you miss THIS episode, you won't know what EVERYONE is talking about the next morning", and if I recall right that was the Hurley one that, yea just within its own context was a very humorous episode, but it literally didn't move ANYTHING forward in the plot/mythology at all. After the fact nobody knew what the hell it was supposed to be that everyone would be talking about.

However then right after that they started a fantastic streak that, correct me if I'm wrong, has pretty much been kept intact all the way up to right now, so those 4 or so tepid shows have been practically erased from memory thanks to a string of what, like at least 5 or 5 now absolute downright kickass episodes? And we've got no reason to think that they're not gonna finish on an incredible high note with these last 4 shows to finish out the season, especially the next two, VERY highly anticipated Locke and Ben eps, respectively. So, overall I think my personal opinion would be season 3 has been a step back up from season 2, where that took a very evident decline in overall quality from season 1.

[JimiThang1]

I think once we watch this season in full, those filler episodes will fit into the larger context of everything...just like how Fire+Water did last year.

[snapmcd]

edit: Almost forgot -- I think this actually may've been already "confirmed" by someone earlier, that whole question brought up about that tattoo on Jack's inner left forearm that so many thought was new and so assumed he had it done while living in Othersville... well since I'd been going back and looking at so many s1 eps thought I'd jump in to double confirm, and I even freeze framed it. Mind you I've never known exactly what it's supposed to be, but YES JACK HAD THAT INNER LEFT FOREARM TATTOO ALL THE WAY BACK IN SEASON 1 ;)

**patiently awaits screencap**

edit: and there's 6800.

[tankdan]

:D Wednesday is Lost Day. :D

"Gonna go home, get my beer on, get my Lost on."

Also... "I forgot to tell you the plan for this Saturday. You. Me. Bar. Beers. Buzzed. Wings. Shots. Drunk. Waitresses. Hot. Football. Cornell-Hofstra. Slaughter!"

Sorry, Lost just doesn't have any good quotes that can cover this type of thing...

I hope we immediately get some answers out of that pilot, I don't want to go all night without learning something else from her.

Also, I'll be at the Red Sox game, so enjoy the show and I'll catch you on the flip side.

Dan

[GinaNMU]

Enjoy the game! Tdowe (Tony) is going, too. Make sure to set the TiVo :D

[tdowe99]

Where are you sitting, Dan?

[Route_2]

No spoiler here this time. Just an intro to a review of tonight's episode from TV Guide to get everyone in the mood for the greatest show on god's green earth:

This TV Guide reporter lucked into getting an advance copy of "The Brig," tonight's Locke-centric episode of Lost (10 pm/ET on ABC), and, having watched it, what can I say? It's one of the series' best. And I'm not just talking this season. Written by series masterminds Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse, it is, by turns, twisted, spine-chilling and emotionally stirring. Make that gut wrenching. It grabs hold and doesn't let go, even after the last frame has smashed to black.

[tdowe99]

The game better end by 9:40 tonight!
If not, I'm watching Lost tomorrow on my computer.

[clayj41]

I'm gonna appreciate Lost even more this week as it's going to provide my only study break of the day for my two finals tomorrow...

[GinaNMU]

I'm gonna appreciate Lost even more this week as it's going to provide my only study break of the day for my two finals tomorrow...

Damn, hardcore! Good luck with them :)

[uneverknow14]

I'm gonna appreciate Lost even more this week as it's going to provide my only study break of the day for my two finals tomorrow...

geez, lost is usually my only study break every wednesday of the semester...that and showering, but a lot of the time i don't even do that...

[JimiThang1]

Thread pruning? Don't touch this thread!

[tdowe99]

Say what now?

[DreamingTree#40]

Thread pruning? Don't touch this thread!

:thumbsup We survived

[DreamingTree#40]

Say what now?

Read the announcement at the top of the forum

[junior94]

Thread pruning? Don't touch this thread!

Well sort of the implication I got from that announcement would it would mostly only be threads where the previous parts of it don't have any bearing at all on what would be posted from now on within it (like the music game, the movie game, etc). With a thread like this where there's been one continuous topic building momentum I'd imagine it's safe.

Besides, though we're now defeating the 24 thread in overall posts, we're still close enough in total that if they were to prune this here thread, there'd be absolutely no reason not to also do the same to that one. But... since you know there's just no way in hell that would happen on this board of all websites (*ahem*... ;) ), the 24 thread being cut that is, I'd say ours is doubly safe.

If there was a move made like ours getting pruned but not there's, then you be damn sure on principle alone I'd be intentionally banned on this site by going out in a sensational blaze of glory of calling out the Mods for being the obvious hypocrits they'd be with such a move :p

[newscane]

This thread also doesn't see enough action to be in danger of pruning. It's the 20K post threads that have 10-15 people all posting at the same time. That only happens to us around 11:00 Eastern time, on Wednesday nights :)

[41ravens]

i just got in...what did i miss?

[joepsu0985]

Holy fuck....

[tdowe99]

I just got home from the game, so I'll have to avoid this thread
until tomorrow night when I watch Lost on my computer.

[DreamingTree#40]

Pretty predictable, but a solid episode and next week looks sick

[GinaNMU]

What an episode. SO intense.

All I have to say for now is that that scene between Sawyer and Sawyer was absolutely fantastic. Brilliantly done. Seriously, these writers are fucking genius.

[davedmb41]

yes. next week looks awesome!

[uneverknow14]

MEHHHHHHH! i can't watch lost now for 2 weeks and it's getting so exciiiiiitinggg!

[malarks26]

Finally, a great episode tonight!!! It's been long overdue, but they really outdid themselves tonight....awesome! I can't wait for next week now.

What do you think it is that Jack and Juliette won't tell Kate?? Do you think Jack knows that Juliette is working for Ben and that they are going to plan a double-cross??

[tedies]

All I have to say is I feel sorry for the idiots you abandoned this show. Great episode, just like the past several weeks. Shaping up to be a killer end of the season run.

[Talula62]

My name's Sawyer too! Classic moment. Very good episode for what was overall a predictable plot line. Didn't expect Locke to get the tape recorder but something is fishy about that - maybe Ben just gave it to him.

What do you think it is that Jack and Juliette won't tell Kate?? Do you think Jack knows that Juliette is working for Ben and that they are going to plan a double-cross??It's gotta be this: Jack knows they're planning to come to the beach and take Sun. Juliette told him, since Ben told Juliette he'd see her in a week.

[Talula62]

Okay I'm obsessive tonight. Also, completely in love with Josh Holloway.

I've been repeatedly pausing the promo for next week and saw a few odd things. A baby. That Richard guy with long hair. A cemetary lookin place with all kinds of trees behind it. "Roger." And someone in a gas mask. You might have seen the flash of a woman in a light colored dress too but I can't get it to pause there so I can't make sense of it.

[clayj41]

Maybe I'm overreacting a little bit, but I honestly think that was one of the best episodes I've ever seen!:multi

[tankdan]

Very good episode!

I'm glad that Cooper said that he got in a car accident, blacked out, and woke up on the Island, because then it's basically assumed that he was drugged by Juliette's medical company and brought to the Island, and NOT brought by a 'magic box.' I never believed about the magic box, but I'm at least glad that we got to hear Cooper's story.

I'm glad Cooper got killed and that Sawyer found out who he was. Finally some closure for him!

Funniest part: "Yeh, I'm here for the dynamite... Thanks... (walks out)." Rousseau! Hhahaha.

I think that Juliette and Jack's secret is that pregnant women die and that Kate is probably pregnant, with all the sex she's been having.

They played REALLY heavy on the purgatory theme tonight, holy moly. I'm glad that Naomi at least confirmed that there were bodies, etc, because now we KNOW that there is gonna be some wicked cool explanation of this cover-up.

Finally, I'm thrilled that Naomi thought the Island was open ocean. My Snowglobe Theory has gained actual support! "And then the clouds cleared and I saw land." Ummm... yes, the Island is definitely a Snowglobe/Hidden Island. Excellent.

Dan

[junior94]

Hmm... I feel left with two questions in particular. Though Cooper's cryptic remarks like "Haven't you figured it out yet?/Know where we are?" etc turned out to be him merely believing he indeed was in hell/purgatory and not that he somehow already had some larger answers of what the island is (like what I'm sure most people thought when he first said them), Ben still showed some concern that he didn't want him to explain them to Locke. Remember back when they'd just come out of "the room" at the start and Cooper said for the first time "You think you're on an island?" or whatever it was, Locke asked Ben what he meant and Ben said something to the affect of You're not ready for that, or we're not gonna worry about that right now, etc. So what I'm wondering is, since this obviously ISN'T hell and/or purgatory (& if it is, me and Abrams/Lindelof/Cuse are gonna have some WORDS :p ) what was in Ben's head right then? Did he know what Cooper was meaning (even though it was incorrect)?

Also as Locke and Sawyer parted Locke said it wasn't about him joining hte Others, that he was going on "his own journey". Now maybe I was taking this too literally but I kind of inferred that he had no intent on going back with the Losties or the Others. And yet, he clearly wanted to do exactly as Ben had said as far as "returning with your dead father on your shoulders", so he needed that chip as a way back in, so to speak. If he's on his own journey, why's he concerned about that acceptance?
Although, now I think about it.... I suppose it's possible that he still has no real desire to be a part of the Others, he's just performing this step as a way to hopefully get all the answers about the island in the grand scheme of things (as we saw in next week's preview).

Oh, and fuck Jack :violent :p :lol Right now in fact I'm rooting for him to be one of the people who die by the end of the finale.

[JimiThang1]

God that was awesome...good times.

[junior94]

God that was awesome...good times.

Well yea and here's the thing... I think I'm going to pretty much stay away from this thread for the most part over the next week, because everyone knows it's the Ben episode, we've known it for awhile now, and we've got no reason to believe it won't be downright orgasmic. I mean I'm sure a whole legion of fans are already figuring it could very well be the greatest single ep in the history of the show. It's dangerous to reach a point where nothing could possibly live up to the hype it'll have (then again, think of what's already been said about the season finale :p ). So yea I'm probably gonna try and not think about the show too much before next Wednesday so it hits me clean.

[MVDMB]

Jack is a douche. Kate is retarded. I no longer like either of them.


Unbelievable episode, Sawyer could've kicked Batmans ass at times.

[Heavy As Stone]

GREAT EPISODE. Predictable, but great.

Did anyone else notice when Cooper called Ben "Bugeyes?" How funny is that, considering how our Sawyer is always calling people nicknames.

And I wouldn't have carried that fat fuck, I would have dragged him on some sort of pallet.

[uneverknow14]

GREAT EPISODE. Predictable, but great.

Did anyone else notice when Cooper called Ben "Bugeyes?" How funny is that, considering how our Sawyer is always calling people nicknames.

And I wouldn't have carried that fat fuck, I would have dragged him on some sort of pallet.

:lol yeah i noticed that, lol...and i've always thought ben looked like a freak, i'm glad someone finally said something about it! haha

[GinaNMU]

Here's something I'm left pondering...

So everyone here basically knows that I'm a fan of Juliet. I know she's horrible and has done terrible things to our losties and is a mole in the camp to learn more about the pregnant women, blah, blah. I know. Everyone hates her. And I've already given my reasons why I sympathize with her, so I won't do it again, hahaha.

NOW...ugh, that conversation between Locke and Richard up on that hill when he gave Locke Sawyer's file was SO frustrating to me!! Good, but again got my gears going about how I am actually feeling bad for some of the others. I want to believe Richard when he says those things like (not exact quotes) "We were originally brought here for certain reasons...things haven't been working out how we expected...we need a reason to believe that we're still have a purpose to be here..." etc, etc. It sounds like he/they are getting frustrated with a certain bug-eyed leader.

It sure does seem like the majority of the others are there and working under false pretenses, via Ben. It explains why and how they act the way they do (all nonchalant and casual, assuming like something will eventually come over their positions/work on the island). Again, I have no idea who they think Locke is or what they're waiting for to happen (Cindy... "they're just excited you're here. They've been waiting for you for awhile"), but it seems like some of the others (Juliet, now Richard, who knows who else) are getting pretty fed up with Ben and what he/they are trying to do on the damn island.

I don't really know what it all means or how it'll pan out, but for now I can't help but wonder what the hell they all know (and by they all I include some of the losties...Cindy, the kids, now Jack IMO). It's obviously something big to make them all seem so casual and accepting of everything going on around them. Whatever it is they know, it's what Juliet and Jack have been keeping from Kate. Does it have something to do with the weird looks on Juliet and Jack's faces when Kate told them about the helocopter and possibly having a chance to get rescused? Do they know it's impossible somehow?

Haha, that was sort of a rant, but last night got me analyzing more than I ever have with this show. SO much was brought to the surface. So in conclusion...I'll end with:

1. Jack may not be WORKING for the others, but now has their same similar awareness/mindset of what's going on (and I HATE him!! hahaha)

2. The scene w/ Sawyer and Sawyer has probably been my favorite scene of the whole series. SO well done and powerful.

3. I can't WAIT for the Jack speech next week where he starts out "Maybe it's about time we catch up" or "We have some catching up to do" or whatever he says. I NEED THAT CONVERSATION!!!!



BOOM... LOST.

[Heavy As Stone]

I thought it was interesting when Jack found out that there was an injured woman who might be able to contact a boat, the first thing he asked (in a very intense manner) was how she could contact her boat. Like he didn't want her to contact her boat. Jack jack jack.... what happened to him?

[GinaNMU]

I thought it was interesting when Jack found out that there was an injured woman who might be able to contact a boat, the first thing he asked (in a very intense manner) was how she could contact her boat. Like he didn't want her to contact her boat. Jack jack jack.... what happened to him?

:thumbsup Oooooooh, interesting interpretation. That didn't even occur to me that he was acting like that/asking those questions b/c he didn't want rescue.

F Jack dude. Shadeball :lol

[41ravens]

i'm not giving up on jack just yet! i think him and jules have a plan and they're just waiting for the right time to tell everyone. i see an ambush and then an all-out losties vs. others war. and that's probably when people will start dying.

i also didn't know what to make of jules and jack while kate was talking to them. they did seem quite concerned that nadia had a radio. don't know what that's about.

why does rousseau need dynamite? me thinks it might come up later.

as everyone else has said, i did notice quite a few references to "where do you think you are?", and, "you think this is an island?". now, given who wrote the episode, this could either be serious foreshadowing, or just them messing with the whole purgatory thing. my guess is there's probably more to it and somehow i have the feeling that they're not just on an island, but something bigger. we'll have to see how that plays out.

ok, that's all my random comments for now.

[joepsu0985]

Either this show is going to get sci-fi with the whole purgatory/hell thing. Or they are messing with the losties' heads. Which would mean of course that they cant breed amongst themselves any more and have some sort of contraption to bring airplanes down to widen the gene pool. This show is absolutely nuts.

[spawn]

It's nice to know that Ben answered everyone's burning question about the box, "it's a metaphor", it almost seemed to me as though he was talking to the audience, not Locke. Kinda answering our question....

[UNC41]

It sure does seem like the majority of the others are there and working under false pretenses, via Ben. It explains why and how they act the way they do (all nonchalant and casual, assuming like something will eventually come over their positions/work on the island). Again, I have no idea who they think Locke is or what they're waiting for to happen (Cindy... "they're just excited you're here. They've been waiting for you for awhile"), but it seems like some of the others (Juliet, now Richard, who knows who else) are getting pretty fed up with Ben and what he/they are trying to do on the damn island.

One thing that popped into my mind last night, and this is probably way off, is that Locke could be Jacob, and that when the Others have spoken of Jacob in the past it was based on a prophecy. That when Jacob made decisions on the past it wasn't an actual person, but based on the values of what was written about Jacob. Locke's journey on the island may be fulfilling that prophecy.

The conversation on the hill where Locke receiver Sawyer's file sparked this idea. Once Ben realizes that the prophecy is coming true he realizes it's threatening his power over the Others and he isn't ready to be second in command. This is why he tries to ostracize Locke.

There's a theory that's pretty far out there, but I wanted to get some thoughts on it.

[Route_2]

Here are some of my thoughts on last night's episode, and I am aware of several events that happen in the coming episodes that debunk some theories that have already been put out there, so I'll do my best to keep those to myself and let everyone find out for themselves.

Obviously most people who follow the show know that the purgatory theory has been long debunked by the producers. Cooper has no idea where he really is, he just woke up there after getting into a serious car crash, so it is only right that he assumes one possibility is that he is dead. The Losties of course no otherwise. I think Ben didn't tell Locke how he actually got there because Locke still knows very little about the Others communications with the outside world and Ben wanted to keep it that way, at least for the time being.

It seems Ben feels extremely threatened by Locke and is attempting to control the Others' perception of him in order to retain his power over them. Ben sees that Locke has an interaction/connection with the island that he only wishes he had, one that would justify his position of power. Locke is still unclear of the significance that his connection with the island gives him, but I think now that the 'monkey on his back' that was his father is now gone, it may free him and greaten his strength. As we've seen through his flashbacks, his father royally screwed with him emotionally, but now that chapter in his life has come to a close. And, as we've now seen from last night, there are many Others who see his potential and have hope because of it. I hope all this leads to the badass Locke we know from Season 1 returning.

As for Jack and Juliet's secret, I think it might be something bigger picture than the fact that Juliet is still working with the Others and that they're coming for Sun. The way Jack reacted to what Kate told them about Noami is very curious and hard to interpret. I think that they have some greater knowledge about the island to reveal and that is why Jack is so willing to disregard the Losties trust of him. He has always looked out for them from the beginning. He has to have learned something very significant for him to seemingly, at least in their minds, turn on the Losties. We shall see.

[spawn]

Purgatory/Hell theory is completely not in my head, regardless of what the producers say, unless someone found a way to take a sub in and out of purgatory/hell.....

I'm not sure how anyone could think that it's possible....

[Panther41]

I thought it was interesting when Jack found out that there was an injured woman who might be able to contact a boat, the first thing he asked (in a very intense manner) was how she could contact her boat. Like he didn't want her to contact her boat. Jack jack jack.... what happened to him?

It wasn't like that... it seemed more like he found it laughable that she thought she could contact the outside world. I'm convinced at this point that Jack knows the island's secret, and he's playing by a new set of rules. He's still stuck there--they all are--but he's seeing things for what they really are now, and somehow that means the idea of a person "calling out" is ridiculous to him.

[Panther41]

It's nice to know that Ben answered everyone's burning question about the box, "it's a metaphor", it almost seemed to me as though he was talking to the audience, not Locke. Kinda answering our question....

The island is the box.

;)

[OneSweetPhish]

3. I can't WAIT for the Jack speech next week where he starts out "Maybe it's about time we catch up" or "We have some catching up to do" or whatever he says. I NEED THAT CONVERSATION!!!!



Yes!!! Me too

we better get some more info quick or summer is gonna be long!

Oh wait lmao we have DMB! duh

[malarks26]

The island is the box.

;)

Good theory, maybe that is what Ben was talking about.

[GinaNMU]

Yes!!! Me too

we better get some more info quick or summer is gonna be long!

Oh wait lmao we have DMB! duh

Hahaha, not really though!! August is like LATE summer. What do we do in June and July?? :(

[OneSweetPhish]

Hmmmmm I don't know... maybe go outside and find something to do

i guess:eek

lol we will get by!

[UCFish]

Hahaha, not really though!! August is like LATE summer. What do we do in June and July?? :(

Watch Cubs Baseball.

[OneSweetPhish]

Watch Cubs Baseball.

lived in chi for 25 years love the cubbies but way too boring

[GinaNMU]

Watch Cubs Baseball.

Ahhh, yes. Of course! :D

[Panther41]

Purgatory/Hell theory is completely not in my head, regardless of what the producers say, unless someone found a way to take a sub in and out of purgatory/hell.....

I'm not sure how anyone could think that it's possible....

The island is at the bottom of a wormhole... its stable, but it can move in-and-out of alternate timelines. Sometimes people and things stumble upon it, but there's one sure way I'm thinking.

The Bermuda Triangle. Remember that the Hanso Foundation's headquarters are in Miami. On the doorstep, practically. And think about the Black Rock...

No slave ship would be in the South Pacific. They were in the Atlantic and Carribean. The story I see is that the Black Rock sailed into the Bermuda Triangle and was transported--maybe literally dropped--onto the middle of the island. The crew disembarked to investigate, leaving their human cargo chained.... well, either something on the island killed the crew, or the crew "went native" and became the Others--either way, they never came back to that ship, which is why there are still bodies chained inside.

I think the Others/Dharma/whoever lost control of the island when the hatch blew up.

[Gonzo#34]

anyone know where i can see the preview for next weeks episode?

[MVDMB]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ll8Zj2WIZH8

[Heavy As Stone]

Sorry of this is dumb, but has it been confirmed that the Others are for certain not Dharma?

[JimiThang1]

Sorry of this is dumb, but has it been confirmed that the Others are for certain not Dharma?
We know that there might be a connection, especially with Juliet's comment "That was a long time ago..." other than that no there hasn't been.

[junior94]

Did anyone else notice when Cooper called Ben "Bugeyes?" How funny is that, considering how our Sawyer is always calling people nicknames.


:lol yeah i noticed that, lol...and i've always thought ben looked like a freak, i'm glad someone finally said something about it! haha

If you liked that, you should try and DL some of the old episodes of THE PRACTICE he was in. I mean I've talked about it before, where he had roughly a 5 episode arc as a serial killer defendant that Kelli Williams (Lindsay) was defending, got off, then basically started stalking and really freaking her out. There's one scene in particular where his eyes seem like they're about a foot in diameter :D He's sitting in a conference after having just been on the stand, and you just know by his testimony that the jury's gonna aquit, and Kelli's sitting across from him and from recounting what he said, she does this sorta slow burn of realizing exactly how he totally mindfucked and fooled everyone. Then HE realizes she realizes the truth (but can do nothing about it) and he practically admits it with his now ultra Ben-esque coolness with a steely cold :cool

[junior94]

Oh and you know what I was thinking earlier (but I really am for the most part staying away from here for the rest of the week, I swear :lol )
Well, I would suppose that especially from last night it's supposed to be confirmation that Cooper/Sawyer really IS Locke's biological father, and not just a con man acting like his dad to get what he needed (which I know is what I sure thought for all along now). I'd felt all along they were sorta making that intentionally ambiguous. But last night seemed to clear it up.

But in that knowledge it just makes clear how unbelievably evil Cooper really is. See, there are some con men who aren't about hurting the defenseless, they only target people who greedily want something for nothing. But Cooper is just downright inherently evil, I mean for fucks sake he did this to his own flesh and blood. The guy literally has no conscience, he's just a sociopath.

[junior94]

Sorry of this is dumb, but has it been confirmed that the Others are for certain not Dharma?

Well I can tell you that we've gotten confirmation from them as far back as within season 2 I believe that there are TWO SEPARATE GROUPS OF OTHERS (whether or not one of them has any kind of direct ties to Dharma is unclear). Speaking to a friend of mine today, he's not trusting anything that Naomi says at all, in fact he believes that she's a member of this second group of Others. (plus I can't help but think there's a good genuine reason why they had Sayid ask the question to Desmond "Did you actually SEE the helicopter?")

Otherwise real quick -- the person who posted the theory about Locke being a prophecy of Jacob, well on its own merits I actually think that's a neat idea. But -- and Derek maybe you can help me out here since you've heard all the podcasts and whatnot -- I saw on another board someone was saying that the producers have confirmed that Jacob is someone that we have not met yet.
Thus, it's not Locke, Jack's dad, Penny's dad, etc...

[UNLTrpt]

Ok finally got around to watching the episode.

I thought it was pretty predictable in the whole grand scheme of things. I knew Ben wasn't in Black Rock, I knew Sawyer was going to kill Sawyer.

I'm kinda pissed that Kate collapsed and told Jack. I really wanted them to keep him in the dark for at least a little while.

They really set the scene up for a major confrontation between Losties and Others. John is SO on the Losties side, its not even funny. He knows what he's doing and he gonna fuck those Others right in the ass. I'm starting to think Juliette is on the Losties side now. I really do. I dunno why, but I do.

Sawyer (the living one) is probably going to feel really "lost" now. I mean the man he's been searching his whole life for is now dead. The man he's dedicated his whole life to kill is now just that. What's his focus going to be?

I am not watching any more previews. No more.

[TrippinBilliam]

For those of you speculating about the true identity of Jacob.....

Apparently we find out who Jacob is next week.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Man_Behind_the_Curtain

[ryguy178]

"Obviously we're not dead."
"Obviously."


Love it.

[ryguy178]

Naomi's an other. Duh.

[UNLTrpt]

Naomi's an other. Duh.

you think so?

[ryguy178]

Spoiler about next weeks episode

Also,

Roger, "Work Guy" was on a tombstone. There was a woman in a dress she had blonde hair. I caught the gas mask too. Also, there is the Dharma dude from all the video tapes with Tom and his beard in the background, Dharma boxes being loaded onto trucks and busses in a place that does not look like the island, and some really freaky scenes when you watch if frame by frame.

I also see that in the 7 months since i've been gone, we haven't fixed a way to quote spoilers yet, or even gotten a spoiler tag in the post editor. Sucks.

[ryguy178]

...so here's my addition to what could be see on the preview...

Roger, "Work Guy" was on a tombstone. There was a woman in a dress she had blonde hair. I caught the gas mask too. Also, there is the Dharma dude from all the video tapes with Tom and his beard in the background, Dharma boxes being loaded onto trucks and busses in a place that does not look like the island, and some really freaky scenes when you watch if frame by frame.

[ryguy178]

you think so?
Yeah, ben said they sent someone to infiltrate the camp but that doesn't necessarily mean it has to be Juliette. Its so everyone will think it is Juliette, and Naomi will go unsuspected.

[UNLTrpt]

I guess its feasable...but Ben seems to be pretty trusting in Juliette. Couldn't the infiltrator be Juliette but she's gonna backstab him at some point?

[Talula62]

I also see that in the 7 months since i've been gone, we haven't fixed a way to quote spoilers yet, or even gotten a spoiler tag in the post editor. Sucks.Yep! It can't be that hard to fix, can it? Hell if I know though.

Yeah, ben said they sent someone to infiltrate the camp but that doesn't necessarily mean it has to be Juliette. Its so everyone will think it is Juliette, and Naomi will go unsuspected.But that would mean that the flashback in Juliette's last episode where she was sitting at that table, talking with Ben about the gas masks and not seeing each other for a week was a lie. They wouldn't lie through a flashback.

So if Naomi's an Other, Ben probably sent her in case (or expecting that) Juliette double crossed him in some way.

[tosssweep]

I found Rousseau's appearance to be quite strange, and it seemed to offer some support of an idea I've been kicking around in my head for a few weeks or so. Ok, clearly Rousseau and Ben have a connection in Alex. We've been led to think Alex is R's biological daughter, but has been taken and adopted by Ben. What if she really is the daughter of Ben and Rousseau?? I mean, R is clearly out of her mind, her whole story has been shady since the beginning. Maybe there was a falling out between her and Ben but they agreed she was free to wander the island as she chooses. Also, her appearance at the Black Rock would mean that she is checking up on Locke for Ben, as in she would tell Ben that Locke wasn't in the room with Cooper and that Locke likely was the one to kill Cooper.

I mean, it's only got a little support but that could be pretty twisted right?

[junior94]

Yeah, ben said they sent someone to infiltrate the camp but that doesn't necessarily mean it has to be Juliette. Its so everyone will think it is Juliette, and Naomi will go unsuspected.

I really thought I remembered him saying it was specifically Juliette who was infiltrating them, not just "someone" (going by the dialogue in Ben's tent with Locke).

[Route_2]

I really thought I remembered him saying it was specifically Juliette who was infiltrating them, not just "someone" (going by the dialogue in Ben's tent with Locke).

He also said that he would see her in a week, as well.

[junior94]

Well some biiiiiiiiiiiiiiig news coming by way of E online.

http://www.eonline.com/gossip/kristin/detail/index.jsp?uuid=75ed77ee-1972-467a-8f4e-b11e4b6a1259


First, though this has been talked about for awhilw now, now it seems all but totally confirmed that LOST will have a lifespan of 5 SEASONS. It also could very well be moving to an earlier timeslot next season (which I'm sure will make absolutely no one upset). The third thing is not a specific idea, per se, mentioning no specific names or anything, but I'll put it in spoiler tags anyway.


And lastly a major possible casting change coming up soon (this is making me think more and more that Mr. Jack Shepherd will indeed be meeting his maker if not only before the end of the whole run, but by this year's finale. And as I've said already, the way he's acting now he can go suck it :p)

[GinaNMU]

Well some biiiiiiiiiiiiiiig news coming by way of E online.

http://www.eonline.com/gossip/kristin/detail/index.jsp?uuid=75ed77ee-1972-467a-8f4e-b11e4b6a1259


First, though this has been talked about for awhilw now, now it seems all but totally confirmed that LOST will have a lifespan of 5 SEASONS. It also could very well be moving to an earlier timeslot next season (which I'm sure will make absolutely no one upset). The third thing is not a specific idea, per se, mentioning no specific names or anything, but I'll put it in spoiler tags anyway.




And lastly a major possible casting change coming up soon (this is making me think more and more that Mr. Jack Shepherd will indeed be meeting his maker if not only before the end of the whole run, but by this year's finale. And as I've said already, the way he's acting now he can go suck it :p)


You just can't stay away from us, can you? ;)

[DreamingTree#40]

the spoilers are so tempting :BANG (but so fun to read)

[JTRocks]

I found Rousseau's appearance to be quite strange, and it seemed to offer some support of an idea I've been kicking around in my head for a few weeks or so. Ok, clearly Rousseau and Ben have a connection in Alex. We've been led to think Alex is R's biological daughter, but has been taken and adopted by Ben. What if she really is the daughter of Ben and Rousseau?? I mean, R is clearly out of her mind, her whole story has been shady since the beginning. Maybe there was a falling out between her and Ben but they agreed she was free to wander the island as she chooses. Also, her appearance at the Black Rock would mean that she is checking up on Locke for Ben, as in she would tell Ben that Locke wasn't in the room with Cooper and that Locke likely was the one to kill Cooper.

I mean, it's only got a little support but that could be pretty twisted right?

I imagine you mean wasn't, correct?

Ive been thinking that Rousseau and Ben have been working together for some time now. One of the weird things about her appearance in the Black Rock was the fact that in the Season 1 finale she is afraid to even go on the ship with the Losties, and then in this past episode she is just casually walking through the ship to get some dynamite. I am predicting some sort of relationship between Ben and Rousseau to be the big secret revealed in the upcoming Ben flashback episode. This Ben flashback is probly gonna answer more questions than any other episode throughout the series

[JTRocks]

I was just watching the preview for next week and spotted something pretty cool during those quick cuts where they show a bunch of pictures really subliminally, they show the name tag of "Roger" ( http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Roger_workman )the guy they found in the van. then they show some sort of van crash too. Just a little something i caught thought i would share. heres a link to the preview

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ll8Zj2WIZH8

[ryguy178]

So, has the wormhole theory been discussed? Its currently my theory du-jour.

[tankdan]

See, I'm not into the whole worm-hole idea, because I think that they are actually ON planet earth.

What are your specific notions that signal a worm-hole?

Dan

[ryguy178]

See, I'm not into the whole worm-hole idea, because I think that they are actually ON planet earth.

What are your specific notions that signal a worm-hole?

Dan
Well, let me preface by saying that a wormhole still has not been observed and is still in a way, science fiction. So that being said, if JJ and Lindelof insist there is a scientific explanation, I don't know about that.

But, what gets me thinking is the gravity, as well as the apparent time travel.

What if the island is actually some sort of portal, or wormhole for lack of another explanation, or black hole even, and Desmond traveled through one to an alternate point in the universe, an alternate universe, or an alternate point in time, as the universe is 4 dimensional. (Further, perhaps Locke's father was able to appear on the island through traversing a wormhole.) In this wormhole, time slows down, or even stops, or even speeds up. If it speeds up, it explains the aging or internal organs and the healing process. Its an alternate time line.

When they escape the wormhole, they will be back, dead, in a plane, where they have already been discovered. To the outside world, they will have died instantly, and the plane fell right into the ocean, but to them, they passed through a wormhole, where they were on the 'island' for like 150 days. Just like Jodie Foster in Contact. She remembered a 20 hour trip, but to the people outside her ship, she didn't go anywhere, her ship just fell through the portal, and yet she was in the wormhole.

The Other's know a way out. They know a way to avoid the fate of escaping the wormhole and being dead in reality. That is their secret.

This is the best idea i've been able to reconcile myself with. I think it would work nicely, actually, and I would be rather happy if this is how they explained it.

[ryguy178]

Also, its feasible to think that a baby would not be able to be concieved and born in the wormhole universe, since time is different, or something. But a baby conceived outside of the wormhole could be born, vis-a-vis Claire.


Oooh i'm so excited about this theory.

[ryguy178]

In the article titled LIVE AT THE SAN DIEGO COMIC-CON: ABC'S 'LOST' (by Brian Ford Sullivan) (which is a transcript of the San Diego Comic-Con from the 22nd July 2006) there is a very interesting comment made by Damon Lindelof:


11:05 am: When prompted to estimate how many "days" the entire series will encompass, Damon notes that "you're making the basic assumption that they've been there as long as they think they've been there."

[uneverknow14]

I imagine you mean wasn't, correct?

Ive been thinking that Rousseau and Ben have been working together for some time now. One of the weird things about her appearance in the Black Rock was the fact that in the Season 1 finale she is afraid to even go on the ship with the Losties, and then in this past episode she is just casually walking through the ship to get some dynamite. I am predicting some sort of relationship between Ben and Rousseau to be the big secret revealed in the upcoming Ben flashback episode. This Ben flashback is probly gonna answer more questions than any other episode throughout the series

I was just thinking about the Ben-Rousseau connection, and how some people think Ben might really br Alex's biological father ... BUT that would mean Rousseau got pregnant on the island and obviously she would be dead if that happened. So I'm gonna guess her story is legit and the others stole Alex from her ... I still don't know if she is working with the others or not though, but my gut feeling is that she isn't. It is pretty weird how she just sort of comes and goes through out the show. Sometimes it seems like she'll play a major role (like when Kate, Sayid, and Locke were going to get Jack back) and then she just disapears.

Oh, and the other reason she probably isn't working with the others is remember is season 1 she stole Claire's kid in hopes of trading it with the others for Alex. Obviously if she was working with them she could've found them and worked something out!

[junior94]

I found Rousseau's appearance to be quite strange, and it seemed to offer some support of an idea I've been kicking around in my head for a few weeks or so. Ok, clearly Rousseau and Ben have a connection in Alex. We've been led to think Alex is R's biological daughter, but has been taken and adopted by Ben. What if she really is the daughter of Ben and Rousseau?? I mean, R is clearly out of her mind, her whole story has been shady since the beginning. Maybe there was a falling out between her and Ben but they agreed she was free to wander the island as she chooses. Also, her appearance at the Black Rock would mean that she is checking up on Locke for Ben, as in she would tell Ben that Locke wasn't in the room with Cooper and that Locke likely was the one to kill Cooper.

I mean, it's only got a little support but that could be pretty twisted right?

It's impossible for Ben to be the biological father of Alex, unless TPTB have straight up lied to us with certain details, but that would be unfair (not to mention bad) storytelling. Like how it goes with old classic Agatha Christie-esque murdery mystery novels; the creator has to have technically given you enough information along the way that you could figure it out on your own from what you've seen, if they up and toss in some completely new and abstract detail in the end to explain their "twist", that's just bad writing. Anyway, the basis I'm using is that we know already from being told that Danielle was already very pregnant by the time her gang was shipwrecked, she gave birth to Alex not long after they crashed (only maybe a couple weeks, wasn't it?) And also as we have been told, Ben was born and has lived on the island his entire life. So, 1+1... ;)

But hey speaking of Mr. Ben... the man he was impersonating when first we met him during season 2, the real Henry Gale, black man buried at the site of his crashed hot air balloon... why/when did he come to our little Shangri-La? After all pretty much everyone seems to have a rather specific purpose for having arrived there at the time they did.

And just for a last word on Danielle, I believe that dynamite-grabbing scene was nothing more than foreshadowing for what part she will play in the season finale. I don't at all think she's got some special "relationship" or whatever with Ben that's yet to be revealed, at least I really hope that's not the case (again, going back for one to the thing that she's an Other plant).

[Talula62]

It's impossible for Ben to be the biological father of Alex, unless TPTB have straight up lied to us with certain details, but that would be unfair (not to mention bad) storytelling. Like how it goes with old classic Agatha Christie-esque murdery mystery novels; the creator has to have technically given you enough information along the way that you could figure it out on your own from what you've seen, if they up and toss in some completely new and abstract detail in the end to explain their "twist", that's just bad writing. Anyway, the basis I'm using is that we know already from being told that Danielle was already very pregnant by the time her gang was shipwrecked, she gave birth to Alex not long after they crashed (only maybe a couple weeks, wasn't it?) And also as we have been told, Ben was born and has lived on the island his entire life. So, 1+1

I can't help but point out right here that we haven't been TOLD that Alex gave birth about 2 weeks after she crashed onto the island and we haven't been TOLD that Ben was born on the island.

Yes, Alex "Told" us that and yes, Ben "Told" us that - but they didn't tell us in flashbacks. They just said that to a couple of people on the island, just like Ben told us his name was Henry Gale and he crashed there in a balloon. I don't think we should have to believe the things The Others say until we see shit in flashbacks.

[tankdan]

...
But hey speaking of Mr. Ben... the man he was impersonating when first we met him during season 2, the real Henry Gale, black man buried at the site of his crashed hot air balloon... why/when did he come to our little Shangri-La? After all pretty much everyone seems to have a rather specific purpose for having arrived there at the time they did...

See, on my list of vessels that have crashed on the Island ("Snow Globe Theory"), I included Henry Gale's balloon. I'm not sure if every vessel crashed on the Island for a specific purpose, but rather they crashed there because they were "wandering" and were simply sucked in.

Basically, everyone that's crashed was lost and were, therefore, sucked in by the Island.

Desmond (the first time and the time he tried to leave)
Henry Gale's balloon
Rousseau's Team (supposedly followed "the numbers" to the Island?)
Black Rock
Flight 815
Yemi's Drug Plane
Helicopter Pilot

Now, Kevin, if you think that each vessel was brought to the Island for a purpose, then I really have no clear answer for you. I'll try... I mean, Henry Gale DID serve a purpose as far as the Island is concerned (it helped Ben infiltrate the Losties). If you look at all those vessels, every single one has "helped" the Losties.

They used Desmond's sailboat to sail around the Island
They used the balloon to verify Ben's story
They used Rousseau's batteries to power their radio
They used the Black Rock for dynamite
They used Yemi's plane to give Ecko closure, to find a hatch, and to out Charlie
They (will) use the pilot to find out about the outside world.

Dan

[ryguy178]

No thoughts on my wormhole theory? I think its pretty hard to deny actually.

[JTRocks]

I can't help but point out right here that we haven't been TOLD that Alex gave birth about 2 weeks after she crashed onto the island and we haven't been TOLD that Ben was born on the island.

Yes, Alex "Told" us that and yes, Ben "Told" us that - but they didn't tell us in flashbacks. They just said that to a couple of people on the island, just like Ben told us his name was Henry Gale and he crashed there in a balloon. I don't think we should have to believe the things The Others say until we see shit in flashbacks.

The fact that Rosseaus story seemed pretty inconsistent is why i dont believe anything that she has said yet. And i think given the fact that they showed her this past week means we will see her in one of the remaining episodes. And in the 3 seasons she has been on the show she has NEVER had a flashback episode, which leads me to believe that they will eventually show her in another person's flashback (Ben's) and the flashback will reveal something really big about her

[JTRocks]

No thoughts on my wormhole theory? I think its pretty hard to deny actually.

I doubt the whole wormhole theory because if it ended up being this, every lost fan would be pissed and a lot of people would be confused

[ryguy178]

I doubt the whole wormhole theory because if it ended up being this, every lost fan would be pissed and a lot of people would be confused
I would be quite satisfied actually.

[GinaNMU]

I doubt the whole wormhole theory because if it ended up being this, every lost fan would be pissed and a lot of people would be confused

Yeah, I definitey would be. And I mean, if it were as simple as a wormhole, is it a wormhole that Dharma/all these scientist people knew about beforehand and went to on prupose b/c they'd be more hidden to do their work? I mean, it really doesn't make enough sense to me for that to be the case.

And I definitely agree that fans would just end up being like, :ugh and be very disappointed.

[JTRocks]

I would be quite satisfied actually.

You have to think about the audience that watches this show though. Sure there are hardcore fans like us that discuss every aspect of the show and everything, but then there are also a lot more casual fans that tune in every week. I do not think that "Wormholes" are common knowledge amongst most people, so thats why i just dont see anything like this as the ultimate theory of the time/space of the island.

http://spoilerslost.blogspot.com/2007/05/hd-versions-of-trailer-and-screencaps.html

^^^ I found this on another board. They are HD screen caps from the preview for the next episode. They AREN'T spoilers. You might find some spoilers on that link if you read the comments, but you should check out the pictures theres some cool stuff there

[dh4645]

It's nice to know that Ben answered everyone's burning question about the box, "it's a metaphor", it almost seemed to me as though he was talking to the audience, not Locke. Kinda answering our question....

yeah, i thought that too

[dh4645]

...

The Bermuda Triangle....

thats what i thought of whenever the chick talked about it just appearing through the clouds

[tankdan]

While I do NOT think that there is a time portal or a worm hole involved, I DO think that there is a Bermuda Triangle or a snow-globe dome covering involved.

The Island is on planet earth in real-time, I believe. But there is also an element of "hidden island" mystery.

And yes, I think we're getting ready for a big Rousseau moment, with her appearance last week. Three left???? Is it over three weeks or just two weeks?

Dan

[GinaNMU]

While I do NOT think that there is a time portal or a worm hole involved, I DO think that there is a Bermuda Triangle or a snow-globe dome covering involved.

The Island is on planet earth in real-time, I believe. But there is also an element of "hidden island" mystery.

And yes, I think we're getting ready for a big Rousseau moment, with her appearance last week. Three left???? Is it over three weeks or just two weeks?

Dan

Agreed, agreed, agreed. And it's 3 weeks left. 2 one-hour episodes, and the 2-hour finale I think.

[UNLTrpt]

SNOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW GLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOBE!

yeah.

[Talula62]

No thoughts on my wormhole theory? I think its pretty hard to deny actually.I was all drunk last night - too much to be able to wrap my brain around the wormhole! :lol

Yeah, I definitey would be. And I mean, if it were as simple as a wormhole, is it a wormhole that Dharma/all these scientist people knew about beforehand and went to on prupose b/c they'd be more hidden to do their work? I mean, it really doesn't make enough sense to me for that to be the case.Yeah, that's what I was thinking at first too.

However... that actually does make sense. Can you leave a wormhole on purpose though? Do you fall out of a wormhole? How does the wormhole theory explain what's going on with Desmond? How does it explain how people on the island are all kind of related to each other, show up in each other's backstory or should it?

I need more information.

I have read though that D&C have said that they've read theories online that are pretty darned close to being true. That's really amazing!

[Bartender84]

I was just thinking about the Ben-Rousseau connection, and how some people think Ben might really br Alex's biological father ... BUT that would mean Rousseau got pregnant on the island and obviously she would be dead if that happened. So I'm gonna guess her story is legit and the others stole Alex from her ... I still don't know if she is working with the others or not though, but my gut feeling is that she isn't. It is pretty weird how she just sort of comes and goes through out the show. Sometimes it seems like she'll play a major role (like when Kate, Sayid, and Locke were going to get Jack back) and then she just disapears.

Oh, and the other reason she probably isn't working with the others is remember is season 1 she stole Claire's kid in hopes of trading it with the others for Alex. Obviously if she was working with them she could've found them and worked something out!
The Others had a submarine. Ben and Rosseau could have left the island, had crazy sex all night long, and then came back to the island. Problem solved.

[tdowe99]

Dude, I don't want to think about crazy Rosseau sex!

[ryguy178]

I was all drunk last night - too much to be able to wrap my brain around the wormhole! :lol

Yeah, that's what I was thinking at first too.

However... that actually does make sense. Can you leave a wormhole on purpose though? Do you fall out of a wormhole? How does the wormhole theory explain what's going on with Desmond? How does it explain how people on the island are all kind of related to each other, show up in each other's backstory or should it?

I need more information.

I have read though that D&C have said that they've read theories online that are pretty darned close to being true. That's really amazing!
My theory is that the others can and do leave the wormhole voluntarily, or chose to enter it, or something. The whole life extension process is because time slows down in the wormhole (We'll call this the Contact [jodie foster] theory.) and thus people live longer. That's why they want to stay on the island. Also, because Ben is native to the island, he can't leave or else he'll die or something, since he has no bearing in reality and real-time, and that's why babies concieved outside the wormhole/island can't be born inside of it.

It very easily explains Desmon's situation because if the island were the entry point to an Einstein-Rosen bridge, then he would be able to travel through the wormhole to another point in time in the universe's 4 dimensions, and then be brought back to the island. Its the only "scientific" explanation for his perceived time travel.

God, this explains so many things. Gravity, time travel, healing, why they would be dead in the reckage, why no one is looking for them....

It doesn't explain linkages between people however, but I've always had a huge problem with that being explained scientifically anyway. They only thing I can think of is that the Other's were able to use the wormhole to travel through time and manipulate their lives to intersect to get them onto the plane.

Think of the island as being in the Throat of the bridge, with access to either points in a folded, 4-dimensional universe: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/af/Worm3.jpg

[ryguy178]

....I believe!

here's what happened to Desmond.

Wormholes and time travel

A wormhole could allow time travel. This could be accomplished by accelerating one end of the wormhole to a high velocity relative to the other, and then sometime later bringing it back; relativistic time dilation would result in the accelerated wormhole mouth aging less than the stationary one as seen by an external observer, similar to what is seen in the twin paradox. However, time connects differently through the wormhole than outside it, so that synchronized clocks at each mouth will remain synchronized to someone traveling through the wormhole itself, no matter how the mouths move around. This means that anything which entered the accelerated wormhole mouth would exit the stationary one at a point in time prior to its entry. For example, if clocks at both mouths both showed the date as 2000 before one mouth was accelerated, and after being taken on a trip at relativistic velocities the accelerated mouth was brought back to the same region as the stationary mouth with the accelerated mouth's clock reading 2005 while the stationary mouth's clock read 2010, then a traveler who entered the accelerated mouth at this moment would exit the stationary mouth when its clock also read 2005, in the same region but now five years in the past. Such a configuration of wormholes would allow for a particle's world line to form a closed loop in spacetime, known as a closed timelike curve.

[ryguy178]

And this could explain (somehow i guess?) why their lives are intertwined:

Assume the wormhole is true, then anything passing through the wormhole is part of a Closed Timelike Curve:

One feature of a CTC is that it opens the possibility of a worldline which is not connected to earlier times, and so the existence of events that cannot be traced to an earlier cause. Ordinarily, causality demands that each event in spacetime is preceded by its cause in every rest frame. This principle is critical in determinism, which in the language of general relativity states complete knowledge of the universe on a spacelike Cauchy surface can be used to calculate the complete state of the rest of spacetime. However, in a CTC, causality breaks down, because an event can be "simultaneous" with its cause – in some sense an event may be able to cause itself. It is impossible to determine based only on knowledge of the past whether or not something exists in the CTC that can interfere with other objects in spacetime. A CTC therefore results in a Cauchy horizon, and a region of spacetime that cannot be predicted from perfect knowledge of some past time.

[GinaNMU]

:lol Damn, Ryan you are DETERMINED to get this point across!!

I totally understand where you're going with it and you have found some things that would fit with the actions/storylines, but you have to admit it's a bit far-fetched, even for LOST!! hahahaha, but really, I'll give you the first kudos and admit you called it first if it is the case.

[ryguy178]

i'm giving the writers too much credit though. I don't think its far-fetched, but I think its far fetched for Lost.

[JimiThang1]

Too far fetched for me...I'm still going with Dharma conspiracy and coverups.

[GinaNMU]

Too far fetched for me...I'm still going with Dharma conspiracy and coverups.

:thumbsup What I'm hoping for actually

[tabularasa]

I do like the idea and I do like wormholes and time travel, its a nice idea. But since Lost is only going to on for a 4th season and a mini 5th season, I think the wormhole would take like half of season 4 to acutally explain. It would also put off a lot of fans as it is a bit too complicated. I don't really understand the whole thing with Desmond. Sure you can look into time travel but I think for me I'm just gonna put it with the island powers. Maybe the wormhole could be something just for Desmond. Like when the hatch imploded somehow he was sent into the wormhole? (Sorry not very familiar with time travel) but if the wormhole idea was for the entire show, I think it would be way too far fetched which is funny to me because I thought after the smoke monster, they couldn't get any more far fetched then that!

[tankdan]

Agreed, agreed, agreed. And it's 3 weeks left. 2 one-hour episodes, and the 2-hour finale I think.

Awesome, four hours of episodes! Wooooo!... Man, this is gonna be a long long wait between the finale and next season's premiere.

SNOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW GLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOBE!

yeah.

Yes. I have money placed on this theory. ;)

Dan

P.S. Four and a half seasons? I thought it was going for six seasons, if the writers get their way?

[ryguy178]

I'm still caught up with the writers continually saying there is a scientific explanation for everything. The more we watch, the more seemingly unscientific everything becomes, and more almost magic, so I'm just trying to reconcile the scientific with the observed.

[JTRocks]

I'm still caught up with the writers continually saying there is a scientific explanation for everything. The more we watch, the more seemingly unscientific everything becomes, and more almost magic, so I'm just trying to reconcile the scientific with the observed.

Yeah, Im the same way. As far fetched as some of this stuff gets, I still have faith in the writers to make it all explainable by the end of the series. Just the fact that the writers did say that everything will be "scientifically explainable" is one of the reasons that Ive been so drawn to the show. As for the smoke monster, thats probly not gonna be scientificly explainable, but for some reason I really dont care that much about the smoke monster because i just dont think its gonna play that pivitol of a roll in the finale of the series. I just hope whatever the final result of the series is, that it ends up being justifiably realistic. If it ends up being some ridiculous bullshit like wormholes in the end, I'm gonna feel robbed of about 90 hours of my life. wow, i really didnt plan on typing this much in this post

[DMBand520]

The Others had a submarine. Ben and Rosseau could have left the island, had crazy sex all night long, and then came back to the island. Problem solved.

actually thats a good idea. why didn't one of the others think of that as a way for the women to get pregnant and conceive off the island. They could call it "the love sub" :lol

[Talula62]

P.S. Four and a half seasons? I thought it was going for six seasons, if the writers get their way?

That's what came out the other day that, I think, Kevin posted about. 5 seasons but apparently the 5th season may be truncated. I don't know if it's been "officially" announced yet but, if not, it might not be until the upfronts, I'd think. I dunno really when you announce things like this.

Anyway... so, alright Ry. Tell me this. If the wormhole theory is true, when they fall out the other end, where will they be? Will the plane have crashed and they'll be dead or does the plane NOT crash? :ugh

[JimiThang1]

I'm still caught up with the writers continually saying there is a scientific explanation for everything. The more we watch, the more seemingly unscientific everything becomes, and more almost magic, so I'm just trying to reconcile the scientific with the observed.
I think their exact quote was that there was a real world explanation...not a scientific explanation.

[GinaNMU]

actually thats a good idea. why didn't one of the others think of that as a way for the women to get pregnant and conceive off the island. They could call it "the love sub" :lol

:lol

Hmm...that's pretty interesting actually! You'd think that if they CAN get off/away from the island and back, they WOULD have in order to conceive.

Or maybe Ben's just a giant prick who doesn't care about the value of these pregnant women's lives; he just wants to figure out how to make it happen ON the island. I'm sure that if it came down to repopulating the island and needing more people to carry on their work/research, they would know to just leave the island and conceive and come back.

[UNLTrpt]

Yes. I have money placed on this theory. ;)

Dan

:rolleyes

[ryguy178]

I think their exact quote was that there was a real world explanation...not a scientific explanation.
well wtf does that mean?

[GinaNMU]

well wtf does that mean?

Exaaaactly...







;)

[JimiThang1]

well wtf does that mean?
I think they mean that whatever is happening on the island can take place in the real world in some form or fashion...

[Stouggies]

This has probably been talked about before but I searched a little and didnt find any explaination, a few weeks ago what do you think those bright lights were that Juliette & Kate saw when they were hiding in that tree hollow?

[Bartender84]

well wtf does that mean?
We won't know until the series finale ;)

[tankdan]

This has probably been talked about before but I searched a little and didnt find any explaination, a few weeks ago what do you think those bright lights were that Juliette & Kate saw when they were hiding in that tree hollow?

I believe it was simply the smoke monster "taking their picture" or scanning them or something. It definitely had something to do with the monster.

Dan

[Nautiest_monkey]

This has probably been talked about before but I searched a little and didnt find any explaination, a few weeks ago what do you think those bright lights were that Juliette & Kate saw when they were hiding in that tree hollow?

Mr. Ecko said he saw darkness but Locke said that when he looked into the smoke monster that he saw a bright light. Could go back to the good and bad and black and white themes...

[Nautiest_monkey]

No thoughts on my wormhole theory? I think its pretty hard to deny actually.

The current theory that I am on is the Vile Vortices. For those that don't know it is 12 places around the globe that have Bermuda Triangle like powers. At first I didn't buy it but then I got to thinking...


Mozambique Channel - the Black Rock was a slave ship. Feasibly taking off from Africa. I know what has been said about where it was and what it was up to when it disappeared but again, these are just theories...

Sahara Vortex - The drug smugglers plane had a Sahara Map and it was no where close to that if they are really in the Pacific.

Fiji Vortex - Where Flight 815, Desmond, and Rosseau would come in considering that she hasn't been there all along.

Ben also tells Locke this isn't the first time that they have done something like this when describing the taking of the pregnant women. It could be something that happens regularly if all everything that has ever gone missing from the Bermuda Triangle would end up there....

It's nothing solid but would explain somethings...Also there is one in Antartica, polar bears and all....

[ryguy178]

We won't know until the series finale ;)
I can't wait that long. There has to be some way to DL season 5, right?

[JimiThang1]

Yea jump through a wormhole ;)

It's the zombie season so it's so worth it!

[ryguy178]

Yea jump through a wormhole ;)

It's the zombie season so it's so worth it!
Yo, Zombie's saved that show...i don't care what anyone says. It sealed the deal on greatness.


Reminds me, I never watched the last season.

[Talula62]

Reminds me, I never watched the last season.I was waiting for you to say that, Ry. :lol

[ryguy178]

I was waiting for you to say that, Ry. :lol
I submitted the post, then added it. :lol


I've been saying that for the last 2 years. I think i would completely forget anything that happened.

[JimiThang1]

Well it's only been off for a year now...so it's still kind of fresh.

[junior94]

Well boys and girls, a bit of news that's perhaps even bigger than the one I previously reported (via Variety by way of AICN.com), and one that by my initial reaction here, I'm none too pleased about...

http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117964371.html?categoryid=14&cs=1&p=0


So we've got 3 episodes left for this 3rd season, 4 total hours of show. A Ben flashback, a Charlie flashback, then a final 2 hours of Jack-backs.

After that, there will be exactly 48 episodes remaining of the entire series. But it's the way in which we'll be seeing them. Not two more years of the typical 24 episodes (even if run in consecutive weeks ala "24") -- but three seasons of 16 episodes each.

I don't know, maybe my feeling will change once this has sunk in some more, but reading this here tonight I'm not a fan of this idea, it seems like little more than ABC trying to milk the thing for as long as possible even though there's a set end date, if that even sounds like it makes sense. Plus we'll simply be waiting longer for even less "information", as it were. Even if they'll all run with no repeats and at an earlier timeslot, I'm not thrilled about this.

So TPTB have spoken: LOST will end during the 2009-2010 season.

[JimiThang1]

How can you not be a fan of it? That is great news. There is an end set! Which means now we are at the pinnacle of the conflict of the show. It will just be all explanation and advancement of the story from here.

[JimiThang1]

Plus I think the fact that they were able to retain Carlton and Damon through the end is a testament to the creative integrity of the show. What show can you name where the network was able to keep the main writer/showrunner for the entire length of the series? There isn't any...

[Hurting_Donkey]

How can you not be a fan of it? That is great news. There is an end set! Which means now we are at the pinnacle of the conflict of the show. It will just be all explanation and advancement of the story from here.

:thumbsup

I agree. It makes the show all that more exciting, IMO, now that we know it's not going to get dragged on forever and ever.

[Route_2]

Plus I think the fact that they were able to retain Carlton and Damon through the end is a testament to the creative integrity of the show. What show can you name where the network was able to keep the main writer/showrunner for the entire length of the series? There isn't any...


I also agree that this should be seen as good news and am very excited. Think about it. Even though there will be less shows for the season, now that the producers have a set number of episodes to work with, they can completely plan out the remaining content of the show and we will surely get more reveals and content per show. There is no reason to drag out minor inconsequential storylines inorder to fulfill an indefinite number of episodes. The rest of the seasons will be more like these last few episodes of season 3 where the hits just keep on coming.

[ryguy178]

Plus I think the fact that they were able to retain Carlton and Damon through the end is a testament to the creative integrity of the show. What show can you name where the network was able to keep the main writer/showrunner for the entire length of the series? There isn't any...
heh...certainly not Alias.

[DreamingTree#40]

Now that we know there are three more seasons I think the show is going to have to take some kind of turn in a new direction. Can they really keep talking about the others/losties for 48 more episodes? I wouldn't be surprised if the season finale introduced a new twist in the series which would be continued in the next season.

[JimiThang1]

heh...certainly not Alias.
The only shows I can think of are shows by David E. Kelley (Practice, Alley McBeal, Boston Legal) who is such a control freak that he writes almost every single episode. Though he too takes some episodes off and lets his staff writers write once in a while.

[JimiThang1]

Now that we know there are three more seasons I think the show is going to have to take some kind of turn in a new direction. Can they really keep talking about the others/losties for 48 more episodes? I wouldn't be surprised if the season finale introduced a new twist in the series which would be continued in the next season.
And it will...notice the last line in this article:

http://www.usatoday.com/life/television/news/2007-05-06-lost_N.htm?csp=34

"the last five minutes of (this month's) finale are going to seal our fate."

:eek

[tdowe99]

This is similar to the USA Today article:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18532839/

[Heavy As Stone]

I'm happy about their decision to set an end date. After Alias, I've been afraid of being strung along by Lost. This gives me some peace of mind.

As far as having 3 seasons instead of 2 goes, I'm still undecided. I mean, yeah, I want to have as much info as I can get, as fast as I can get it, so I would rather have them sooner. But the three shortened seasons will be that much more potent. Every week will matter, and it will have to be exciting. Besides, from Feb. through May, everyone is going to be on a Lost frenzy. That will definitely be cool.

[UCFish]

Why only 16 episodes. That is a little rough.

[DMBand520]

It's nice to know that an end date is set. I don't mind that it's divided into 3 16 ep seasons instead of 2 24 ep seasons. Hopefully every episode out of the final 48 will be as good as the run they've been on lately.

Oh also I have a small dilemma. My g/f left for Costa Rica yesterday and won't be back til 5/20. She wants me to wait til she comes back to watch Lost again. I usually go to the bar Wed nights anyway and watch Lost on thurs so even though I love the show I don't mind waiting a little to watch an episode. But I'm REALLY excited for the Ben episode this week... the only reason I'm considering it is if I can just avoid this thread and forget about Lost for 2 weeks it'll be awesome to watch 2 episodes back to back and then get to see the season finale a few days later. I guess I have to decide by thursday this week when I'd normally watch it.

[Hurting_Donkey]

It's nice to know that an end date is set. I don't mind that it's divided into 3 16 ep seasons instead of 2 24 ep seasons. Hopefully every episode out of the final 48 will be as good as the run they've been on lately.

Oh also I have a small dilemma. My g/f left for Costa Rica yesterday and won't be back til 5/20. She wants me to wait til she comes back to watch Lost again. I usually go to the bar Wed nights anyway and watch Lost on thurs so even though I love the show I don't mind waiting a little to watch an episode. But I'm REALLY excited for the Ben episode this week... the only reason I'm considering it is if I can just avoid this thread and forget about Lost for 2 weeks it'll be awesome to watch 2 episodes back to back and then get to see the season finale a few days later. I guess I have to decide by thursday this week when I'd normally watch it.

Where's the dilemma? Watch it like normal and don't tell her.

[DMBand520]

Where's the dilemma? Watch it like normal and don't tell her.

:lol ... it's not like she'd be mad at me if I watched them so if I do watch them I'll tell her. She'd just like me to wait and watch them with her when she gets back and I think it might be cool to get to see the last 2 eps plus the finale all in just a few days.

[tdowe99]

It would be cool to watch them almost back to back, but the downside is you'll have to stay away from this thread for a while.

[DMBand520]

It would be cool to watch them almost back to back, but the downside is you'll have to stay away from this thread for a while.

it might be good for me to stay away from this thread for a little while b/c it's really hard for me to not read spoilers and I always gets mad at myself after i read them :lol

[tdowe99]

Just kidding ;)

[junior94]

How can you not be a fan of it? That is great news. There is an end set! Which means now we are at the pinnacle of the conflict of the show. It will just be all explanation and advancement of the story from here.

Okay so after thinking about this a little more.... first off and just out of curiosity, I don't ask this because I care about having some sort of credit for it, but had you already heard definite confirmation (not just rumor) about this before I posted this? Because then I'm just wondering how I missed it, that's all.

Now don't get me wrong, of course I'm totally thrilled that we have a concrete set end date, though we've been hearing for awhile now that was very likely going to be happening. And I'm also happy to hear that even if not Abrams is ever returning in any sort of official capacity, that we'll at least have Lindelof & Cuse officially around for the duration (I'm personally hoping that also includes Jack Bender, who's been a very good director in this series). I never did watch ALIAS so I didn't have the chance to get burned in the way I suppose you other devotees did by the way it sorta fizzled out (correct me if I'm wrong) though I was a huge X-FILES fan and that of course didn't end so satisfyingly and concretely, though ironically it did have Chris Carter remaining at the helm the entire time, unless I'm completely remembering wrong. But I'm wondering, with ALIAS, though I know that Abrams left that early as well, did it still also have a team like Lindelof & Cuse just underneath him that did stay until the end?

I'm still not sure... part of me still thinks that so much of this was motivated by ABC wanting to be able to eventually sell 3 season DVD box sets instead of 2. And I'm assuming the argument that this will mean less sort of filler material is coming from the fact that they'll have more time to ponder exactly how the episodes will go since having them more spread out. And maybe