LOST (the tv show)

[skywalker_009]

you guys are really stuggling with the quotes today huh...

[MacGuyver]

Holy flip. All I'm going to say is.... sweet baby jesus 8 months is a long time.

[Talula62]

And if that's not all total bullshit, there's a more appropriate Alias episode to be comparing the finale to. Which makes me wonder if Kristin's still a twit (the person who originally made the Alias comparison) or if that signals that the spoilage is false.

[junior94]

[quote=MacGuyver;6046701][quote=Route_2;6046666]

PM'd......and in case anyone else is interested:

http://spoilerslost.blogspot.com/


Shit, I ain't goin aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaanywhere near that :p:lol

I just saw the very top of the page, the new headline and I killed the browser window real quick. I had actually skimmed thru a good portion of AICN's talkback section last night, but luckily if someone threw out the spoilers blatantly in one of their posts, I missed it. I'm still no further spoiled than all the bullet points that Herc listed (& again, ones that are just so general I don't consider myself spoiled on these last 2 episodes, it's only served to make me more excited).

[junior94]

I'd like to ask a question of everyone just out of curiosity.

If as of right now there were leaks of both this week's and next week's shows online (but still in the same high quality HD-rip as the usual DL's), would you go ahead and DL them right now and watch them?

Because of course it'd be like getting to scratch that poison ivy itch that's been driving you mad all day, but you'd also not be able to talk much about it openly to others :p You'd still have to wait a week and half to discuss

[MacGuyver]

kev.... honestly. you wouldn't??? I'd probably pretend to be sick and go home and watch them.

[Talula62]

If as of right now there were leaks of both this week's and next week's shows online (but still in the same high quality HD-rip as the usual DL's), would you go ahead and DL them right now and watch them?
Abso-fucking-lutely. Not even a question. I would throw myself a party.

[junior94]

Yea, I'm sure I would too :D

But so now that more of you have seen that blogspot page in general, do you notice the one entry that said the one black guy seen in the Dharma orientation video (& also coming in on the dock with little Ben if I'm not mistaken) was one of the flight attendants on 815?? He was one of the ones chasing down Charlie when he was going to dump his heroin.

[Route_2]

I would for sure and it sounds like I wouldn't be alone. We could have an all spoiler tagged conversation about the episodes and let everyone else suffer the agony of not knowing!

[Route_2]

Yea, I'm sure I would too :D

But so now that more of you have seen that blogspot page in general, do you notice the one entry that said the one black guy seen in the Dharma orientation video (& also coming in on the dock with little Ben if I'm not mistaken) was one of the flight attendants on 815?? He was one of the ones chasing down Charlie when he was going to dump his heroin.

From this and other things I've read/seen(not spoiler, this purely a theory of mine), I'm beginning to think that DHARMA (or Hanso, whatever the off-island portion of the organization is called) lost control of the island to the Others/Hostiles via the purge. But, since then they've been trying to re-gain the island, maybe in various ways. I think this latest attempt of Naomi's is more for DHARMA to get the island back then to rescue anybody in particular.

[Talula62]

But so now that more of you have seen that blogspot page in general, do you notice the one entry that said the one black guy seen in the Dharma orientation video (& also coming in on the dock with little Ben if I'm not mistaken) was one of the flight attendants on 815?? He was one of the ones chasing down Charlie when he was going to dump his heroin.No, I didn't! Whoa. Screencaps? What's this guy look like?

From this and other things I've read/seen (not spoiler, this purely a theory of mine), I'm beginning to think that DHARMA (or Hanso, whatever the off-island portion of the organization is called) lost control of the island to the Others/Hostiles via the purge. But, since then they've been trying to re-gain the island, maybe in various ways. I think this latest attempt of Naomi's is more for DHARMA to get the island back then to rescue anybody in particular.Yeah, I agree.

[Route_2]

Here's two shots, one from the airplane and one from the sub dock. You decide:

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b224/sttimmerman/normal_pilot2caps-017.jpg

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b224/sttimmerman/normal_curtain-cap074.jpg

I'm still undecided until its confimed, but they do look very similar.

[dmb@uvm]

Here's two shots, one from the airplane and one from the sub dock. You decide:

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b224/sttimmerman/normal_pilot2caps-017.jpg

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b224/sttimmerman/normal_curtain-cap074.jpg

I'm still undecided until its confimed, but they do look very similar.

Very interesting, they do look alike. My question is though...On the dock it was the 60's and in the plane it is 2004, so how would this work? Granted we did see Richard who didnt appear to age but this guy was with Darma and we saw all those people age.

[skywalker_009]

Here's two shots, one from the airplane and one from the sub dock. You decide:

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b224/sttimmerman/normal_pilot2caps-017.jpg

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b224/sttimmerman/normal_curtain-cap074.jpg

I'm still undecided until its confimed, but they do look very similar.

very, very similar...

[JimiThang1]

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Shit, I ain't goin aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaanywhere near that :p:lol

I just saw the very top of the page, the new headline and I killed the browser window real quick. I had actually skimmed thru a good portion of AICN's talkback section last night, but luckily if someone threw out the spoilers blatantly in one of their posts, I missed it. I'm still no further spoiled than all the bullet points that Herc listed (& again, ones that are just so general I don't consider myself spoiled on these last 2 episodes, it's only served to make me more excited).
Forget that junk...I'm going in blind! I learned my lesson from the Alias days...

I think Kristen does a blog thing now so she is constantly updating stuff Alison...

[junior94]

Here's two shots, one from the airplane and one from the sub dock. You decide:

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b224/sttimmerman/normal_pilot2caps-017.jpg

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b224/sttimmerman/normal_curtain-cap074.jpg

I'm still undecided until its confimed, but they do look very similar.

Well I'd go back onto that page where I originally saw it just to double check for myself, but shit now I'm afraid to because you'd have to navigate thru all that new spoiler stuff and knowing me I'd accidentaly see some of it :p

Honestly when I first read that on there, I didn't take a overly close up look myself at the guy between the shots, I suppose I kinda took it for granted because the guy making the point seemed pretty sure, so I took it as basically fact. And realize of course that guy had at least once come and gone and come back again to the island, because there he was coming onto it in that one specific group along with Ben and Papa Ben, yet if he was featured in the orientation video that they're watching the same day, obviously he'd been there previously.

And hell it didn't even occur to me about the time difference. But, what's curious about that is, then whatever it is that this anti-aging this that's going on, it wouldn't be just affecting Richard and the natives, since the black guy was with Dharma. But I dunno, I mean am I wrong to thing that's actually a pretty big detail, a guy belonging to Dharma as long as 40 years ago was (obviously much by design) a flight attendant on the ill fated flight? And yet it was a total background detail, I bet you nobody else noticed that other than whoever it was reported to DarkUFO guy and then the screenshots spread.

[junior94]

Also I'm VERY much hoping we get to see at least one more appearance of Smokezilla by the time the credits roll next week. Again with my going back into season 1 stuff recently, there's a detail I picked up on that I just don't think could possibly be meaningless coincidence.

In the finale, when the small group is on their way to the Black Rock and Smokey makes its first appearance and Locke is just chilling about it, but then when it comes RIGHT up next to him, actually knocking him flat on the ground, that moment was the very first time he was finally scared of it, both by the look on his face and that he started running away in fear. But that moment was also the very first time we heard the one specific sound affect of something that seemed definitively mechanical. In fact if I recall correctly this is where the nanobots theory really initially kicked into high gear (though eventually the writers debunked that of course), because right when it came down upon Locke's scared shitless face, it's when that sound first appeared, then it was even more glaring when it grabbed a hold of him dragging him towards that hole in the ground, almost sorta like a boat's wench/pully system that hooked onto what it needed, then started reeling the line back in.

I have to think there was a specific reason for that. Locke had NEVER been afraid of it before then.

[Route_2]

I like to think that its a possiblity. I wouldn't have thought so before seeing the non-aging Richard.

[UNLTrpt]

JD aka Flight Attendant #2 (guy who chased Charlie down the isle)

http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Jon_Dixon

his imdb profile:http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1640855/

doesn't say anything about this last episode. very unlikely its him.

[JTRocks]

ok, as generous as everyone has been here about not giving away too much info about the spoilers, I am just going to have to steer clear of this thread until the end of next weeks episode.I mean, no offense, but for christ's sake, we got 3 hours left of lost for the next 8 months, Cant some of you people just sit back and enjoy the episodes?

[Talula62]

Actually, yes. I can read spoilers AND sit back and enjoy the episodes. They're not mutually exclusive categories, to me. ;)

[dh4645]

happy lost day!

[tdowe99]

I can read spoilers AND sit back and enjoy the episodes.

Me too. Just because I know something happens, I want to know how it happens.

[MacGuyver]

same here. We're suckers for spoilers! well except kevin :)

[GinaNMU]

I haven't read a spoiler in 2 weeks now. My boyfriend and I switched... I used to read them and know a little bit and he hated hearing anything. Now he's all "hey guess what I heard?!!" and I say, "NO! I don't wanna hear it!!"

[skywalker_009]

i never read spoilers... i could still enjoy the show probably if i did, but i just enjoy them much more going in blind... that way the "holy shit" moments really make me go "holy shit"...

[junior94]

same here. We're suckers for spoilers! well except kevin :)

Yea geez are me and Gina at this point the only ones who don't know anything about what happens this week and next week? :lol

and Sky ;)

[skywalker_009]

Yea geez are me and Gina at this point the only ones who don't know anything about what happens this week and next week? :lol

and Sky ;)

whoa there kev, that whole winking thing... i dont know if we are quite at that point in our relationship bud...

[Talula62]

Yeah, there's only a few of us reading any of the spoilers, Kev.

[junior94]

whoa there kev, that whole winking thing... i dont know if we are quite at that point in our relationship bud...


Pffffftt..... pussy. :rolleyes

[GinaNMU]

Yea geez are me and Gina at this point the only ones who don't know anything about what happens this week and next week? :lol

and Sky ;)

Ha, I know right?? It seems like everyone's been so spoiler-happy the past few weeks! The closer it gets to the finale, the LESS I want to know spoiler-wise

[skywalker_009]

aww, you know i love you...

EDIT: well that was directed at kev, but i love you too gina;)...

[GinaNMU]

aww, you know i love you...

EDIT: well that was directed at kev, but i love you too gina;)...

:hug

[skywalker_009]

wow, its going to be crazy tonight... it will be the first time in a few months that i will actually get to watch the episode when you guys do... good times...

[junior94]

Ha, I know right?? It seems like everyone's been so spoiler-happy the past few weeks! The closer it gets to the finale, the LESS I want to know spoiler-wise

Wellllll.... though I can't deny the irony that I did play a rather major part in providing the recent gateway to all the spoilers... I feel like I might've started the ball rolling with what I posted the other day, just didn't actually look at anything :p :D

[junior94]

wow, its going to be crazy tonight... it will be the first time in a few months that i will actually get to watch the episode when you guys do... good times...

Yea I'm working tonight so will probably be DLing this one and watching it at like 1am, but I believe next week I'm free and clear so will actually see both hours of the finale in real time.

[DynastyDrummer1]

I haven't looked at spoilers in weeks now. It's tough.

[UCFish]

happy lost day!

YAY

:monkey

[Route_2]

This is the only show I care enough about to want to know anything in advance. I think part of it is also that if I know generally what is going to happen I can focus more on the little details of the show as I'm watching.

I'm also gonna be sad when this show is gone for nine months. It's been kinda of a daily ritual for me to come into this thread and see what everyone's been talking about. We'll have to bump it every now and then just to get the gang together.

[GinaNMU]

Ugh, yeah breaks are TOUGH.

[tankdan]

Strap yourselves in, the ride is about to start...

Dan

[dobyblue]

Wow awesome episode tonight.

The end is brilliant!! I will say that Charlie's #2 on his piece of paper, totally cheesy. Other than that the episode is great from start to finish.

[tedies]

Wow awesome episode tonight.

The end is brilliant!! I will say that Charlie's #2 on his piece of paper, totally cheesy. Other than that the episode is great from start to finish.
um us USA people haven't seen it yet so lets not talk about tonights episode please :D

[tankdan]

Wait, who sees "Lost" before the East Coast? THE EAST COAST IS SUPPOSED TO BE THE FIRST TO SEE EVERYTHING!!

Okay, sorry...

Seriously, who sees it before us?

Dan

[41ravens]

hey rose and bernard. big gulps, huh? well...see ya later!

[tankdan]

Running commentary:

1. Desmond needs to stop freaking out Charlie by staring at him every few days... I mean, Charlie KNOWS what a Desmond-stare means, how about you at least be nice about it.

2. Jack has turned into a big asshole since the three-month break.

3. NOW they decide to follow the cable into the ocean? Noone thought of doing that two years ago when they FOUND the cable? DUH!

4. ROSE AND BERNARD! FINALLY! It was really ridiculous that the writers kept these two invisible this whole season, I'm glad they at least acknowledged that they still exist!

5. So... where is the plane wreckage exactly? I thought they burned it? Now they know where it is and they bring back pieces of it?

6. Rousseau: was it really necessary to blow up the tree? I mean, you could just SAY that you have dynamite. No need to waste it and also to signal the Others.

Dan

[tankdan]

Was Ben's daughter cutting open Ben's white bunny? Ben has had a white bunny since childhood and now his kid is eating a white bunny?

Dan

[JimiThang1]

Rawkers!

[newscane]

Wow.

[Sahara1013]

Ummm next week looks sooo good. :bounce very excited!!

[dmbman32]

In the words of Col. Nathan R. Jessup.......


"What the fuck is going on in Bravo Company?"

[tankdan]

Okay, so who was it that said that the submerged hatch was flooded? Juliette? Is she deceiving the Losties intentionally?

I was really hoping that the episode would end exactly as Desmond said the sequence would happen... Now there's gonna be this whole other thing on Charlie next week.

Dan

[jguinan101]

yeah very good episode to set up the final episode, for oh um 9 months, that is just rediculous. i'm upset that they decided to show only 16 episodes the last three seasons i mean if they feel they only have 48 episodes worth of material they could get that out in two 24 episode seasons, especially in a 7 episodes, short break 17 episode format a la this seasons format, anyway im just depressed that after next week the next time i watch lost it will be feb 2008 but i'm still excited for next weeks 2 hours!!!

[41ravens]

was that jack's ex-wife in the underwater hatch? i couldn't tell on my tv. please tell me it was.

[GinaNMU]

<--- Got teary-eyed on 2 different occasions. :( Charlie.

Perfect setup for next week, and still an amazing episode.



:multi This is going to be a looooooooong week, damnit!!!!!

[GinaNMU]

was that jack's ex-wife in the underwater hatch? i couldn't tell on my tv. please tell me it was.

Didn't look like her at all to me.

And also, Nadia (Sayid's girl) was the one that Charlie helped in the alley, right? I thought that was pretty exciting.

[junior94]

Wait, who sees "Lost" before the East Coast? THE EAST COAST IS SUPPOSED TO BE THE FIRST TO SEE EVERYTHING!!

Okay, sorry...

Seriously, who sees it before us?

Canadian stations broadcast LOST weekly at 9pm EST.

Dan

was that jack's ex-wife in the underwater hatch? i couldn't tell on my tv. please tell me it was.

I can promise you it absolutely was NOT.

I think I missed at least the first thirty to sixy seconds of the show, I came in on when Charlie and Desmond were first talking on the beach. Did they actually SHOW any of Des's flashes this time? Or did we just have him telling us what they were?

[JTRocks]

First off as tankdan said, Why the fuck havent they followed that cord since the first day they saw it? EVery time we watch this show they are always going on these adventures and stuff, but they have been on the island for 3 months, what else are these people supposed to be doing on this island during the time when we arent watching it? They always go in these adventures, why not ever go on an adventure to see where this cord goes?

I knew something was gonna change at the end of this episode because it was the FIRST time Desmond has ever had a Charlie death sequence where we didnt get to see it. Thank god it wasnt desmond that actually went through with that, I would have been pissed if the whole thing with Penny didnt have a pay off.

One more thing, did they ever explain why they couldnt just cut the cord? Im sure thats the stations only form of connection with the island, so why couldnt they have just cut the cord and save themselves the trouble.?

Im thinking these people in the underwater hatch are not associated with the others and are Dharma people that are unbeknowngst to what is actually happening on the island, similar to Desmond and Kelvin in the swan.

[junior94]

And also, Nadia (Sayid's girl) was the one that Charlie helped in the alley, right? I thought that was pretty exciting.

Hmmm... are you SURE about that? That didn't strike me right away.

I know I've said it before, but I'm really, REALLY hoping Charlie doesn't die. Please don't kill the character I most relate to on the whole damn show. I'm glad though he and Claire had their kiss, was even hoping he would've said he loved her (at least did to Aaron though).

[GinaNMU]

Hmmm... are you SURE about that? That didn't strike me right away.

I know I've said it before, but I'm really, REALLY hoping Charlie doesn't die. Please don't kill the character I most relate to on the whole damn show. I'm glad though he and Claire had their kiss, was even hoping he would've said he loved her (at least did to Aaron though).

http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Nadia

[tankdan]

I can promise you it absolutely was NOT.

I think I missed at least the first thirty to sixy seconds of the show, I came in on when Charlie and Desmond were first talking on the beach. Did they actually SHOW any of Des's flashes this time? Or did we just have him telling us what they were?

I believe the beginning went like this:
We saw (what turned out to be) the teenage boy running through the woods, jumping in the boat, and begin paddling.
Then we saw Juliette, Jack, and a bunch of Losties trudging through the open plain. Desmond looked at Charlie in a funny way, Charlie got inquisitive. Jack said "We're here." He calls Rousseau out from the woods and she demonstrates the dynamite by blowing up a tree. Jack says "This is the first time we know exactly when they're coming and what they want. When they get here, we're gonna blow them all to hell."

That's about it for the pre-credits sequence.

First off as tankdan said, Why the fuck havent they followed that cord since the first day they saw it? EVery time we watch this show they are always going on these adventures and stuff, but they have been on the island for 3 months, what else are these people supposed to be doing on this island during the time when we arent watching it? They always go in these adventures, why not ever go on an adventure to see where this cord goes?

I knew something was gonna change at the end of this episode because it was the FIRST time Desmond has ever had a Charlie death sequence where we didnt get to see it. Thank god it wasnt desmond that actually went through with that, I would have been pissed if the whole thing with Penny didnt have a pay off.

One more thing, did they ever explain why they couldnt just cut the cord? Im sure thats the stations only form of connection with the island, so why couldnt they have just cut the cord and save themselves the trouble.?

Im thinking these people in the underwater hatch are not associated with the others and are Dharma people that are unbeknowngst to what is actually happening on the island, similar to Desmond and Kelvin in the swan.

Yeh, I really hope that Desmond and Penny's storyline pays off.

Good call on cutting the cord. Maybe they don't have the proper means to cut it?

Finally, yes, I think that it's possible that the Hatch people are Dharma, not Others. However, sine we know that the Others have used the submarine recently, I don't see any reason to believe that they didn't go to the Hatch. Plus, isn't that the location from which they are jamming the signal? I find it hard to believe that Dharma people would be jamming signals.

My only worry is that, obviously, Juliette's prediction that the Hatch was flooded did NOT pan out. What's up with that?

Dan

[junior94]

First off as tankdan said, Why the fuck havent they followed that cord since the first day they saw it? EVery time we watch this show they are always going on these adventures and stuff, but they have been on the island for 3 months, what else are these people supposed to be doing on this island during the time when we arent watching it? They always go in these adventures, why not ever go on an adventure to see where this cord goes?


Well, and honestly I've been saying this since way back in season 1. It struck me as odd that there wasn't more of an exploratory sense among the group back then, especially after their first several days when it was obvious that rescue wasn't happening immediately (& at least even to just try to walk the perimeter of the entire island, I mean I can understand being scared to go further inward much because of hearing the then-unknown Smokezilla rampaging thru the trees from far away).

And unless it's explored more next week, from a writer standpoint I have to say I'm a bit dissapointed on the Rose & Bernard thing. I mean shit they were developed enough in s2 even to have their own flashback, then you literally go 23 episodes into this year without sight nor sound of them, and bam their right back in frame with significant enough screentime but no reason why. If there's not a reason for it, I do'nt see why they weren't scattered around given a line here and there in several previous eps.

[tankdan]

Well, and honestly I've been saying this since way back in season 1. It struck me as odd that there wasn't more of an exploratory sense among the group back then, especially after their first several days when it was obvious that rescue wasn't happening immediately (& at least even to just try to walk the perimeter of the entire island, I mean I can understand being scared to go further inward much because of hearing the then-unknown Smokezilla rampaging thru the trees from far away).

And unless it's explored more next week, from a writer standpoint I have to say I'm a bit dissapointed on the Rose & Bernard thing. I mean shit they were developed enough in s2 even to have their own flashback, then you literally go 23 episodes into this year without sight nor sound of them, and bam their right back in frame with significant enough screentime but no reason why. If there's not a reason for it, I do'nt see why they weren't scattered around given a line here and there in several previous eps.

I agree on both your points. I have long thought that a perimeter map drawing should have been made soon after the crash. Idiots! "First plane crash?"

Yeh, it reminds me of when they suddenly introduced Artz at the end of Season One... It's a LITTLE obvious when you go BAM, here's a character and they get plenty of lines for no apparent reason, gee, don't you wonder what's gonna happen to them? No matter how much I love Bernard and Rose, I can't help but think that something will go wrong with Bernard as he is shooting the dynamite. That's really the only direction their story had tonight.

Dan

[tdowe99]

The producers said Rose and Bernard weren't in random background shots cuz they'd have to fly out to Hawaii to be in the show. They don't live there like the regular cast.

[tankdan]

I figured it was some sort of casting thing... Oh well. I hope we see more of them next season, if they live!

Dan

[junior94]

Thank god it wasnt desmond that actually went through with that, I would have been pissed if the whole thing with Penny didnt have a pay off.

I've absolutely no doubt in my mind that the Penny thing will pay off, and pay off well. I'm thinking that's a very large overall part of the series' narrative.

But hey even so, as we've obviously seen the last thing that a character "dying" on this show means they still won't significantly be involved somehow in future episodes! :D

[tdowe99]

was that jack's ex-wife in the underwater hatch? i couldn't tell on my tv. please tell me it was.

Nope.



http://lostpedia.com/wiki/Bonnie

and

http://lostpedia.com/wiki/Greta

[jguinan101]

The producers said Rose and Bernard weren't in random background shots cuz they'd have to fly out to Hawaii to be in the show. They don't live there like the regular cast.

yeah i assumed it was somethin like this, hopefully they are ok, i don't want anything bad to happen to them or charlie or any of my tallies, next week hopefully will be plenty to hold us over for 8 months :shrug

[junior94]

http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Nadia

Jesus I can't believe they've got that page updated already with specifics about tonight's show :lol

And I'm curious, when they first rolled the flashback and you see Charlie singing "Wonderwall" on the street, did anyone else expect Desmond to come up on him? I thought at first that's where they were goin with that, it was going into that one flash of Des's again, because it was not only that same song Charlie was playing when it happened, it was the same exact lyric, "you're gonna be the one that saves me..."

[Talula62]

Was Ben's daughter cutting open Ben's white bunny? Ben has had a white bunny since childhood and now his kid is eating a white bunny?Well... it can't be the same bunny. Unless the bunny is Richard-ized. :lol Oh God, I hope not. That's too much!

was that jack's ex-wife in the underwater hatch? i couldn't tell on my tv. please tell me it was.Nope. That's a different actress who I recognize from plenty of places but can't recall any of them, really.

<--- Got teary-eyed on 2 different occasions. :( Charlie.Me too. Poor Charlie thinking he's dying.

[jguinan101]

My only worry is that, obviously, Juliette's prediction that the Hatch was flooded did NOT pan out. What's up with that?

Dan

who really knows what julliet is up to, there is no way to know what level these people will take their manipulation techniques, they will make you think they know you know they are double crossers while the whole time they just want you to think you know they don't know, see what i mean

[jguinan101]

Jesus I can't believe they've got that page updated already with specifics about tonight's show :lol

And I'm curious, when they first rolled the flashback and you see Charlie singing "Wonderwall" on the street, did anyone else expect Desmond to come up on him? I thought at first that's where they were goin with that, it was going into that one flash of Des's again, because it was not only that same song Charlie was playing when it happened, it was the same exact lyric, "you're gonna be the one that saves me..."


i was ready for des to come walkin out any minute i didn't really know what was goin on that whole time, its really weird that des saw that on his weird after the hatch flashback and it just happened to be on charlies list, weird episode overall but definetly up to par with the last bunch it has been a great season either way

[tankdan]

Jesus I can't believe they've got that page updated already with specifics about tonight's show :lol

And I'm curious, when they first rolled the flashback and you see Charlie singing "Wonderwall" on the street, did anyone else expect Desmond to come up on him? I thought at first that's where they were goin with that, it was going into that one flash of Des's again, because it was not only that same song Charlie was playing when it happened, it was the same exact lyric, "you're gonna be the one that saves me..."

Yes, I'm really surprised that there wasn't a Desmond appearance in that scene... Now, if we could just figure out how those flashbacks fit into Charlie's previous chronology... Like, how many times did Charlie quit the band? Was that first flashback supposed to be BEFORE they hit it big? I think so. When did that flashback with the women in bed happen? Was it after Charlie conned that fat girl? Liam seemed pretty clean, but he also didn't have kids yet, right? Ohhhh, I wish they would just keep flashback episodes focused on one SERIES of flashbacks, not jump around like they did tonight.

Well... it can't be the same bunny. Unless the bunny is Richard-ized. :lol Oh God, I hope not. That's too much!

Nope. That's a different actress who I recognize from plenty of places but can't recall any of them, really.

Me too. Poor Charlie thinking he's dying.

Well, no, I don't think it's the same bunny... But we've now seen three instances of the white rabbit (plus the title of that one episode):
1. Ben as a kid.
2. Ben conning Sawyer
3. Tonight, with Alex cutting open a white rabbit.

Certainly that wasn't by accident?

Dan

[tankdan]

who really knows what julliet is up to, there is no way to know what level these people will take their manipulation techniques, they will make you think they know you know they are double crossers while the whole time they just want you to think you know they don't know, see what i mean

I think you know what you think I know what I think you're talking about thinking.

I want to trust Juliette... but how come her story didn't pan out? Plus, who's to say that she won't somehow sabotage the dynamite plan? I WANT to trust her, but tonight cast some doubt.

i was ready for des to come walkin out any minute i didn't really know what was goin on that whole time, its really weird that des saw that on his weird after the hatch flashback and it just happened to be on charlies list, weird episode overall but definetly up to par with the last bunch it has been a great season either way

I guess the real question is this: Will Desmond's vision still come true? Will the submerged hatch somehow flood next week and Charlie will die flipping the switch? OR, did Charlie mess up the flash somehow by knocking out Desmond?

Dan

[Talula62]

who really knows what julliet is up to, there is no way to know what level these people will take their manipulation techniques, they will make you think they know you know they are double crossers while the whole time they just want you to think you know they don't know, see what i meanYeah, the big question is: Is Juliet a lying liar or has she just been constantly misinformed by Ben or whoever?


Well, no, I don't think it's the same bunny... But we've now seen three instances of the white rabbit (plus the title of that one episode):
1. Ben as a kid.
2. Ben conning Sawyer
3. Tonight, with Alex cutting open a white rabbit.

Certainly that wasn't by accident?
Yeah, definitely not an accident but I don't know that it really means anything for the storyline. DHARMA probably brought a bunch of rabbits to the island and now they're food for everyone, is what I'm thinking.

[Talula62]

Oh yeah, I remember now. That chick at the end in The Looking Glass was Christian Slater's wife on Alias.

[junior94]

Yes, I'm really surprised that there wasn't a Desmond appearance in that scene... Now, if we could just figure out how those flashbacks fit into Charlie's previous chronology... Like, how many times did Charlie quit the band? Was that first flashback supposed to be BEFORE they hit it big? I think so. When did that flashback with the women in bed happen? Was it after Charlie conned that fat girl? Liam seemed pretty clean, but he also didn't have kids yet, right? Ohhhh, I wish they would just keep flashback episodes focused on one SERIES of flashbacks, not jump around like they did tonight.

No, I feel pretty confident in saying the scene where Liam gave Charlie the ring, Liam was well within his user days right there. Because he even said at the start something about Charlie being "the only drug-free rockstar in the world", plus a major reason why he passed it on was because he knew of how much kind of fucked up shape he was in with his own life at the time.

Conning the fat girl... are you talking about the one where he stole some special clock of hers or something, same ep that she got him a job at her dad's company? Only because I didn't remember her necessarily being fat, if that had something to do with the character or whatever... but I'd guess that whole scenario happened AFTER the ring giving scene. Because at that point in his life he seemed to be of the mind that the music was going nowhere (so they certainly weren't still regularly touring) but he was still hooked on the drugs.

[junior94]

Oh yeah, I remember now. That chick at the end in The Looking Glass was Christian Slater's wife on Alias.

Ahh yep, I was just gonna say :D I too have known that actress from SEVERAL projects over the years, but never knew her name off top of my head, but I was thinking from some of the random ALIAS eps I've seen that I love to tell you about, I thought I'd remembered perhaps seeing her in at least one of them

[JimiThang1]

And unless it's explored more next week, from a writer standpoint I have to say I'm a bit dissapointed on the Rose & Bernard thing. I mean shit they were developed enough in s2 even to have their own flashback, then you literally go 23 episodes into this year without sight nor sound of them, and bam their right back in frame with significant enough screentime but no reason why. If there's not a reason for it, I do'nt see why they weren't scattered around given a line here and there in several previous eps.

Actor availability...they both had prior commitments and were never signed as part of the main cast. They were always featured guest stars.

[junior94]

SAVE CHARLIE!!!!!!!!!

:lorraine :lorraine :lorraine :lorraine


Okay sorry, just had to do that real quick. Can't let my boy go without a fight :o


:D

[Raven36]

ah charlie! i almost cried when he jumped into the water!!!

[Talula62]

I really think Charlie is not gonna die. I never really bought it and I still don't. That being said, they'll probably Nate-Fischer his poor butt and kill him after we all breath a sigh of relief that he's still alive. :lol

And the new chick, Tracey Mittendorf, was also in an episode of House in which she was married to........ wait for it..... Nestor Carbonale = Richard. I love it.

[JimiThang1]

I really think Charlie is not gonna die. I never really bought it and I still don't. That being said, they'll probably Nate-Fischer his poor butt and kill him after we all breath a sigh of relief that he's still alive. :lol

And the new chick, Tracey Mittendorf, was also in an episode of House in which she was married to........ wait for it..... Nestor Carbonale = Richard. I love it.

The blonde chick in the hatch?

[junior94]

I really think Charlie is not gonna die. I never really bought it and I still don't. That being said, they'll probably Nate-Fischer his poor butt and kill him after we all breath a sigh of relief that he's still alive. :lol


Oh my god Alli that reminds me, I totally forgot to tell you this when I happened to just randomly read it in EW.... did you know your boyfriend Bradley Cooper got married about 4 months ago? Well don't worry, he's already back on the market, just getting a divorce from the chick ;) :lol

[Talula62]

The blonde chick in the hatch?
Yeah, Elsa Caplan. ;) But I spelled her last name wrong. Middendorf.

[junior94]

And the new chick, Tracey Mittendorf, was also in an episode of House in which she was married to........ wait for it..... Nestor Carbonale = Richard. I love it.


Wow, Richard was on an episode of HOUSE? Hmm... I think I'm about as big a fan as anyone on this whole site of that show and no memory is coming to mind... :shrug

[Talula62]

Oh my god Alli that reminds me, I totally forgot to tell you this when I happened to just randomly read it in EW.... did you know your boyfriend Bradley Cooper got married about 4 months ago? Well don't worry, he's already back on the market, just getting a divorce from the chick ;) :lol
Indeed, indeed. I started hatching plans that very day for how I could get him back. :lol

[JimiThang1]

Oh my god Alli that reminds me, I totally forgot to tell you this when I happened to just randomly read it in EW.... did you know your boyfriend Bradley Cooper got married about 4 months ago? Well don't worry, he's already back on the market, just getting a divorce from the chick ;) :lol
Yea we were talking about that in the Alias thread a few days ago..

[Talula62]

Wow, Richard was on an episode of HOUSE? Hmm... I think I'm about as big a fan as anyone on this whole site of that show and no memory is coming to mind... :shrug
Season 1 Episode 13. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0412142/epcast

[junior94]

Season 1 Episode 13. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0412142/epcast

Thank you my dear ;)


And did I hear that correctly right at the end of the finale preview, Jack looked at Kate and said "I love you"?


edit: actually back to that HOUSE episode, looking that over.. hmm, that case sstill doesn't sound familiar. Wow I wonder if I didn't miss that episode entirely and never knew all this time...

[tarheel997]

I rewatched the episode before this one tonight. I think Jacob is Locke's father. Both "feel the same way about technology", plus, Jacob could represent God and Locke could signify Jesus with his healing powers. Just a thought.

[Talula62]

And did I hear that correctly right at the end of the finale preview, Jack looked at Kate and said "I love you"?Yes, you did. At least, you heard what the promo :monkey wanted you to hear.

[junior94]

Yes, you did. At least, you heard what the promo :monkey wanted you to hear.


Ahh... ya see, and there you go teasin me with what little bits and pieces you know about the finale :p We're just gonna stop that right now, young lady :lol
Well, I mean you have free reign to tease me with anything sexual as is usual, I'm just drawing the line at the show right now :cool

Nah actually I am wondering something from what you told me before, but I'm just gonna email ya

[Route_2]

Just to touch on a previous point, I don't think that the underwater hatch could have been explored until now. They didn't have that boat that Karl brought to get to their beach. They may have been able to use Desmond's sailboat when they had it but it would have been way harder to hold onto the wire and they were a little preoccupied at the time.

[junior94]

Just to touch on a previous point, I don't think that the underwater hatch could have been explored until now. They didn't have that boat that Karl brought to get to their beach. They may have been able to use Desmond's sailboat when they had it but it would have been way harder to hold onto the wire and they were a little preoccupied at the time.

But also wait a sec, as to the question if these two people who confronted Charlie are not a part of The Others with which we're already familiar.... they have to be, I mean didn't Juliette say Ben had made it so that station was being used to block Danielle's message?
Am I remembering wrong, or putting a detail in the wrong context, or... ? :confused

Though speaking of communication with the outside world, I know this'll seem random especially in light of current events, but I thought of something a couple weeks ago. Obviously we've since seen how they were able to get so much info on the Losties, as soon as they saw the plane crash they used Mikhail's setup to start establishing files on everyone. But a detail like knowing that man who Sawyer killed accidentally in Sidney when he was set up by his former partner to make him think he was nailing the real Sawyer (his 1st flashback ever) -- how would they've been able to know THAT? I mean yea most stuff I can see how, between medical records, credit cards, DMV stuff, etc etc... but hell Sawyer was never even arrested for that, obviously because there's no way he wouldn't have been put in prison for it. I can't imagine there's any logical sort of record from where the Others would've been able to find out that particular event from in Sawyer's life.

[ant_marching41]

Long post to come tomorrow. Something I've been thinking of since the episode ended.

[tankdan]

Just to touch on a previous point, I don't think that the underwater hatch could have been explored until now. They didn't have that boat that Karl brought to get to their beach. They may have been able to use Desmond's sailboat when they had it but it would have been way harder to hold onto the wire and they were a little preoccupied at the time.

They've had the submarine all along, I think that's implied as the means of transportation... Makes you wonder if the people down there are pissed that they haven't been picked up in a few days (since Locke blew up the sub).

Plus, yes, Juliette said that the Looking Glass Hatch was being used to jam outgoing signals... which means that there are Others there, or they were once there. Now, apparently, we found out that two stayed behind.

And, Kevin, I really have no idea how the Others found out every little detail of the Losties' lives... The only good explanation I can think of is if some Corporation was planning the crash all along and, therefore, had been following the plane's passengers days before they boarded the flight.

That, and time travel...

Dan

[ant_marching41]

And, Kevin, I really have no idea how the Others found out every little detail of the Losties' lives... The only good explanation I can think of is if some Corporation was planning the crash all along and, therefore, had been following the plane's passengers days before they boarded the flight.

That, and time travel...

Dan

Well, from what we know, the Others were able to contact the outside world with the use of Mikhail's video monitors and the equipment he had with him. In the episode "One Of Us," Mikhail is watching the news stations report the plane crash. Ben requests a "detailed report on the survivors" to which Mikhail replies "I'm already on it." So is it possible that the reports could have been that detailed? Until something is explained otherwise, this seems to be the only, yet plausible, answer.

[tankdan]

Well, from what we know, the Others were able to contact the outside world with the use of Mikhail's video monitors and the equipment he had with him. In the episode "One Of Us," Mikhail is watching the news stations report the plane crash. Ben requests a "detailed report on the survivors" to which Mikhail replies "I'm already on it." So is it possible that the reports could have been that detailed? Until something is explained otherwise, this seems to be the only, yet plausible, answer.

Ohhhh, so you think that someone on the outside investigated each passenger AFTER the plane crash (what they were doing in Australia, etc), and then they just faxed it to Juliette or whatever? I guess that makes pretty good sense, too. It's likely that they authorities would have eventually figured out that the Shrimp Shack guy was murdered, then they might trace the weapon to the guy who gave Sawyer the gun, then that guy fesses up.

Yeh, that sounds pretty good.

I loved seeing Mikhail watching the news, it was one of the few times we had real contact with the current outside world. It was awesome to see clips of the news footage.

Anyway, so remember when Juliette was talking to Jack way back at the beginning of the season, and she had that big file on him... Was all that stuff just a bunch of information given to her by an outside source who was hired to investigate each passenger?

Dan

[ant_marching41]

Ohhhh, so you think that someone on the outside investigated each passenger AFTER the plane crash (what they were doing in Australia, etc), and then they just faxed it to Juliette or whatever? I guess that makes pretty good sense, too. It's likely that they authorities would have eventually figured out that the Shrimp Shack guy was murdered, then they might trace the weapon to the guy who gave Sawyer the gun, then that guy fesses up.

Yeh, that sounds pretty good.

I loved seeing Mikhail watching the news, it was one of the few times we had real contact with the current outside world. It was awesome to see clips of the news footage.

Anyway, so remember when Juliette was talking to Jack way back at the beginning of the season, and she had that big file on him... Was all that stuff just a bunch of information given to her by an outside source who was hired to investigate each passenger?

Dan

I have to look back at the season 3 episodes (which I plan to do anyway cause I just finished watching season 2 again :D ), but I definitely feel like the survivors' info was gathered AFTER the crash. In the first episode of season 3, after the Others witness the plane crash, Ben tells Goodwin and Ethan to go to the opposite campsm, and that he wants lists in three days. They had no idea that they were coming.

They most likely private investigators in different locations as well. If you recall that same scene that I mentioned in "One of Us", the people who are video taping Juliet's sister weren't some random camera men. They were working for Ben so that he would be able to provide Juliet with proof that her sister is alive. Like all the Others, they go where he tells them.

[junior94]

Season 1 Episode 13. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0412142/epcast

Ha! Sure enough, whaddya know... I just got done DLing a torrent of it and started playing it, the one single episode of HOUSE I happened to miss in almost 3 full seasons now, it was the damn one with LOST's Richard :D

Well cool, it's like I get one more new episode to the third season now right before the finale! woohoo!! :p

[dobyblue]

Wait, who sees "Lost" before the East Coast? THE EAST COAST IS SUPPOSED TO BE THE FIRST TO SEE EVERYTHING!!

Okay, sorry...

Seriously, who sees it before us?

Dan

I'm in Ontario - Eastern Standard.

However Bell ExpressVu HD has CTV airing new episodes of Lost at 8pm EST. It's great!

You'll note that I never said anything about the episode that would be a spoiler. I know how to use the tags.

[joepsu0985]

Who Are Those People?

[tankdan]

I'm in Ontario - Eastern Standard.

However Bell ExpressVu HD has CTV airing new episodes of Lost at 8pm EST. It's great!

You'll note that I never said anything about the episode that would be a spoiler. I know how to use the tags.

I was just yanking your chain, I had just never heard of someone seeing a tv episode before the East Coast. I agree with what you said, however, that Charlie's piece of paper wasn't THE best use of flashbacks (except to convince us that he will die). I mean, there was some important stuff in the flashbacks (like him learning how to swim = him swimming to the hatch), but, for the most part, each flashback ended with me saying to myself: "Umm... okay?" Kind of like Jack's episode in Thailand or wherever.

Dan

[ant_marching41]

Just so everybody knows, tonight there will be a LOST special entitled "The Answers." The description I believe says "Executive Producers ____ and ____ discuss the mysteries of the island, the revelations discovered this season, and those yet to discover. So it looks like a new recap special. I know i'll be watching.

It starts at 9:15 EST. and ends at 10 EST.

[tankdan]

Just so everybody knows, tonight there will be a LOST special entitled "The Answers." The description I believe says "Executive Producers ____ and ____ discuss the mysteries of the island, the revelations discovered this season, and those yet to discover. So it looks like a new recap special. I know i'll be watching.

It starts at 9:15 EST. and ends at 10 EST.

Hmmm, something tells me that they will not provide ANY answers whatsoever... It will just be a Q&A with all of their answers being, "Well, it's NOT _____."

I may watch, but tonight belongs to NBC.

Dan

[ant_marching41]

Hmmm, something tells me that they will not provide ANY answers whatsoever... It will just be a Q&A with all of their answers being, "Well, it's NOT _____."

I may watch, but tonight belongs to NBC.

Dan

Indeed. I'll Dvr it though.

[Route_2]

So for all you spoiler lovers, myself included, (you know who you are), I just re-read the spoiler about the last two episodes from Dark UFO that was posted a few days ago and it was spot on in relation to "Greatest Hits", last night's episode. This can't help but lead me to believe that the information posted about the Season Finale next week is also very accurate.

I was thinking about last night's episode and how the underwater hatch is called the Looking Glass. A few page's back there was a brief discussion about all the white rabbits that have been featured in the show. As we know, this show at times heavily references existing literature and philosophy and it seems there is an Alice in Wonderland theme going on as of late. As some of you may know Through the Looking Glass (the name of next week's episode) is the name of Lewis Carroll's sequel to the book Alice in Wonderland, "follow the white rabbit" and all the psychedelic adventures that result. But I also think the title Through the Looking Glass could be an indication that this hatch, The Looking Glass, is the key to rescue. Walk through the looking glass to the other side? Or maybe stepping through this proverbial looking glass will lead to some other even weirder world/set of events as in the famous book. What do you think?

Also, I was thinking about the above discussion of how so much personal information is gathered by the Others about the Losties. One theory that keeps coming to mind is the idea that the Others are somehow capturing the information from Smokezilla. We've seen the monster get deep into the thoughts of Eko, for instance, and possibly manifest all sorts of characters from the Losties' past in physical form on the island. What if the Others have some way of extracting all of this info that the monster has seemingly downloaded and stored and they are using it to theie advantage. I know we've seen Mikael at the Flame getting info from the outside, but maybe this is done in conjuction with the info they get from Smokezilla, following leads type of thing.

[41ravens]

all i know is that the last recap episode with the producers provided absolutely nothing. but i know i'll probably watch tonight, so hopefully they'll share something useful.

[GLR87]

Man last nights show was a joke....A waste of an hour

[Talula62]

Ahh... ya see, and there you go teasin me with what little bits and pieces you know about the finale :p We're just gonna stop that right now, young lady :lol
Dude, Kevin, I seriously wouldn't do that. I just said that because, well, more often than not the promos are totally misleading. Because to me, Jack telling Kate he loves her sorta seems out of place at this point. I dunno, probably just me and he really does tell her that, thinking they're gonna die or whatever.

[junior94]

Dude, Kevin, I seriously wouldn't do that. I just said that because, well, more often than not the promos are totally misleading. Because to me, Jack telling Kate he loves her sorta seems out of place at this point. I dunno, probably just me and he really does tell her that, thinking they're gonna die or whatever.

Aww shucks, yea I know ya wouldn't ;) :hug :hug

We all know how this show loves to completely mindfuck us with previews. Hmm, I seem to remember being promised something awhile back about THREE MAJOR LOST MYSTERIES REVEALED!!!!!

Ohhhh.. riiight, that's right.... mm yeaa.... Jack's umm, tattoos, oh right... ok cool, thanks... I was uhh, really wondering about that for awhile..... yea.

:rolleyes


:lol

[41ravens]

i couldn't help myself. i had to read the spoilers about the season finale. i have no willpower. but let me tell you, if what they say is true, holy shit...it will blow your fucking mind. it blew mine and i was only reading about it.

[Talula62]

:lol Good times.

No, I didn't read those spoilers closely enough to know if someone tells someone they love them. Shit, I don't even know who dies, if that stuff was actually included in what was written about the spoilers.

I think I had dreams about Lost last night though. The people we were fighting were up way high on a plateau and we were all down below. But Sydney Bristow was there too and there was a guy in a sumo wrestler outfit like on last week's The Office.

[junior94]

As to Charlie's "Greatest Hits", while yes overall I very much liked and appreciated the episode, even I have to admit the scene in the alleyway saving the girl (apparently Sayid's Nadia) was rather heavyhanded for what the writers were trying to achieve in the moment. I mean just knock us over the head, why dontcha.

This special happening tonight after Greys Anatomy, now I haven't caught even a little bit of one of these recaps since way back into earlier last season, I'm assuming at least what'll be unique about this one is (seemingly from the ad they showed last night) it'll actually feature some talking heads footage of Cuse & Lindelof themselves? I mean all the specials/recaps/whatever they've ever done, it's always just been edited show clips with narration, right... ?

Lastly, this spoiler thing has gotten out of control further than I think I've ever seen for anything else in recent memory. It's already caused quite a stir over on AICN with a lot of usual users who like having their weekly LOST talkback page, the runners very purposely for the first time all season did NOT set up a paritcular page for last night's ep (thereby providing a talkback) expressly because of all the absolutely jackass dickheads who decided to ruin the party and post the spoiler shit right out in the open. As the old saying goes, a few bad apples ruined the bunch. I truly feel sorry for those kind of people, they literaly have no life to the point where they get their morbid jollies off of just going out everywhere they can and without warning broadcast major spoilers right in the open. Apparently god did not give them even an averaged size penis... :rolleyes

[Talula62]

is there no way to spoiler-tag spoiler talk over there? can they not open a spoiler thread? they need to upgrade over there, then.

[41ravens]

As to Charlie's "Greatest Hits", while yes overall I very much liked and appreciated the episode, even I have to admit the scene in the alleyway saving the girl (apparently Sayid's Nadia) was rather heavyhanded for what the writers were trying to achieve in the moment. I mean just knock us over the head, why dontcha.

This special happening tonight after Greys Anatomy, now I haven't caught even a little bit of one of these recaps since way back into earlier last season, I'm assuming at least what'll be unique about this one is (seemingly from the ad they showed last night) it'll actually feature some talking heads footage of Cuse & Lindelof themselves? I mean all the specials/recaps/whatever they've ever done, it's always just been edited show clips with narration, right... ?

Lastly, this spoiler thing has gotten out of control further than I think I've ever seen for anything else in recent memory. It's already caused quite a stir over on AICN with a lot of usual users who like having their weekly LOST talkback page, the runners very purposely for the first time all season did NOT set up a paritcular page for last night's ep (thereby providing a talkback) expressly because of all the absolutely jackass dickheads who decided to ruin the party and post the spoiler shit right out in the open. As the old saying goes, a few bad apples ruined the bunch. I truly feel sorry for those kind of people, they literaly have no life to the point where they get their morbid jollies off of just going out everywhere they can and without warning broadcast major spoilers right in the open. Apparently god did not give them even an averaged size penis... :rolleyes

no, they did one before where the two of them talked. it didn't really reveal anything that superfans didn't already know, though. i can't remember when it aired, though.

[41ravens]

also, i just read a new theory that i hadn't thought of, but now that i think about it, i like it.

annie (ben's childhood sweetie) = danielle

hmmm....

[junior94]

is there no way to spoiler-tag spoiler talk over there? can they not open a spoiler thread? they need to upgrade over there, then.

Well, the way it works is when you're on the main page there's certain articles outlined in a box with the word "SPOILER" on top, and typical visitors know well enough by now that's the set up for stuff that has spoilers even in the actual report. Now Herc would always put the weekly LOST's episode page in that format, even though again, he was always put just very general show synopsis info on that page, so I could tell you that I always pretty much read everything he'd write in there and I never then considered myself spoiled for them (plus he'd lay it out in this interesting almost sort of made up Jeopardy-like way of questions & answers).
But no once it gets to the Talkbacks, MOST people on there will be decent and if they're gonna post something truly spoilerish they'll clearly mark it in the post's subject heading, but once your'e past that there's no hiding anything, and apparently several people just up and wrote out all the shit right there.

[junior94]

also, i just read a new theory that i hadn't thought of, but now that i think about it, i like it.

annie (ben's childhood sweetie) = danielle

hmmm....

Well unless she's just been outright lying, there's some issues there with that. For one, obviously, the French accent. But also she was old enough at the age we saw Annie that she would've remembered being on the island previously during her life (assuming she did truly leave it at one point, only to then come back later on via the shipwreck of her research team). Mmm... I dunno, I just don't see it happening.

But I am becoming inclined to think that the Alex-knowledge-of-her issue will come to a head next week, if nothing else because there's gotta be a more significant reason why she's becoming involved in this whole showdown other than just another hand on deck to help rig the explosives.

[Route_2]

That's why I like Dark UFO, they have hidden spoiler tags similar to here. No reading unless you really want to.

[tosssweep]

Here's a thought I had:

Maybe the Looking Glass hatch is where Jack was held prisoner with Ben and Juliette...?

Reasons for:
Jack almost flooded his prison and the Looking Glass is underwater.
The Looking Glass is sub-accessed, the Others have/had a sub.
Juliette seemed to know something about it - saying it jams the signals, but she lied when she said it is flooded -- maybe she didn't want anyone down there?

Reasons against:
No one ever mentioned the Looking Glass previously, right?
Kate and Sawyer were held in cages on Alcatraz, and we saw Ben, Juliette, and Jack there... but while we never saw one of those three walk from Jack's prison area directly out to the cages, it was heavily implied that they all were in the same vicinity.

Anyways, it would be pretty crazy if they were the same, but it seems like a stretch.

Anyone else wonder (forget?) where the hell Sayid got the maps of the hatches???

[Talula62]

Yeah, that'd be cool if The Looking Glass was where Jack was held but the fact that the cages seem to be directly outside the place Jack was being held... I'd forgotten that Jack had flooded that place though.

I also don't remember why Sayid had those maps, unless maybe they found them in The Pearl? Wasn't that the one that had video of all the other hatches?

[Route_2]

I think he took the maps from the Flame before it exploded. There were shelves of Dharma notebooks in the basement of the Flame. It's where he got the map of the barracks anyway, makes sense.

[JimiThang1]

Man last nights show was a joke....A waste of an hour
Why do you feel that? It set up the entire finale...sorry you couldn't see that...

[Talula62]

The Flame? Geez, I need to rewatch this series.

[JimiThang1]

Well, the way it works is when you're on the main page there's certain articles outlined in a box with the word "SPOILER" on top, and typical visitors know well enough by now that's the set up for stuff that has spoilers even in the actual report. Now Herc would always put the weekly LOST's episode page in that format, even though again, he was always put just very general show synopsis info on that page, so I could tell you that I always pretty much read everything he'd write in there and I never then considered myself spoiled for them (plus he'd lay it out in this interesting almost sort of made up Jeopardy-like way of questions & answers).
But no once it gets to the Talkbacks, MOST people on there will be decent and if they're gonna post something truly spoilerish they'll clearly mark it in the post's subject heading, but once your'e past that there's no hiding anything, and apparently several people just up and wrote out all the shit right there.
Aintitcool is awful...I don't know why you read it, just a bunch of uber-geeks complaining about how movies and shows have jumped the shark and no one likes anything.

[JimiThang1]

The Flame? Geez, I need to rewatch this series.
Where Mikhail was...with the satellites...

[zigbaldi]

I think sayid got the maps from Mikhal's shack

[Talula62]

Where Mikhail was...with the satellites...Oh right. I missed that episode...

If I'm gonna read a message board about any show, it's gonna be Television without Pity. Strict rules to be on topic and not talk shit to other posters, no sigs or avatars or smileys or any of that. Threads for everything you can think of. Speculation with spoilers, speculation withOUT spoilers, an "I don't like this show but still watch it" thread, and an "I used to have issues with this show but now I love it again" type thread.

So people aren't arguing with each other about the merits of any one episode or whatever and folks go hang out in threads with other like-minded folks. Works well. I don't ever post, just lurk, because people tend to have really interesting things to say and notice litte things and come up with theories for all kinds of stuff.

[zigbaldi]

You know what I was wondering: If the Hostiles killed the Dharma people, why are they still getting food shipments? I guess there are more Dharma guys on the outside world and they don't know what happened?

[JimiThang1]

I think sayid got the maps from Mikhal's shack
Correct sir...he was digging through all of that stuff when they were there.

[41ravens]

did anyone else think that when sayid said, "i think i know where it is", that he was referring to the foot. i thought for sure that he thought that was a landmark to show where the looking glass was.

[JimiThang1]

did anyone else think that when sayid said, "i think i know where it is", that he was referring to the foot. i thought for sure that he thought that was a landmark to show where the looking glass was.
No he was talking about the wire...he found it in Season 1 remember?

[JimiThang1]

You know what I was wondering: If the Hostiles killed the Dharma people, why are they still getting food shipments? I guess there are more Dharma guys on the outside world and they don't know what happened?
That I don't know, hopefully we will get the answer to that soon...

[41ravens]

No he was talking about the wire...he found it in Season 1 remember?

yeah, but for a split second, i thought foot. but then when he mentioned the wire, it made more sense.

[junior94]

The Flame? Geez, I need to rewatch this series.

:lol:lol

Aintitcool is awful...I don't know why you read it, just a bunch of uber-geeks complaining about how movies and shows have jumped the shark and no one likes anything.

Oh believe me Derek, in the overall I hear what you're saying. The weekly LOST episode page is really the only "article" where I may ever bother to read any of the talkbacks, and even with that it's not even remotely half of them (there can be a few hundred after not too long). I just kinda skim thru and actually have come across some decent points made by some of the users who apparently aren't disgruntled 14 year olds wanting to sound like they know what the hell they're talking about :lol

And just generally speaking it is a fairly good source for getting movie and TV news daily, I feel. But you're right, mostly it's how you describe, I guess I've just gotten so used to moving around the place I feel like I know how to pick and choose pretty well :D

[junior94]

It's not a spoiler to bring up a point about which we WON'T be getting any new info on in the finale, right?

Aww hell the way everthing's been around here the last few days I guess I better :p But this was one of the bullet points mentioned in Herc's initial layout the other day anyway, just thought I'd say it again because I happened to think of it (plus I know some people around here really have this on their minds...)


It just made me think of this seeing a couple people post on it above, but unfortunately (Dan, I'm looking in your direction :p :lol) we will NOT apparently be getting any further details/info about the infamous 4 toed statue from the s2 finale in THIS years finale.

[jguinan101]

wasn't it confirmed that jack was being held in the hydra

[Panther41]

THEORY TIME!

-I think we all need to ask ourselves: what became of Annie? And I wonder if she's down there in The Looking Glass. Maybe Ben persuaded the Others to save her from the purge, or maybe he told her to hide down in that station, knowing that everything above sea level was going to be gassed. If she figured out that it was Ben who allowed the purge to happen, maybe she's leading a rebel faction. And Ben won't send anyone to kill her, so she's sort of stuck with whoever else was down in the Looking Glass station when everything went to hell. Some of this scenario seems right to me.

- As for Jacob... mayhap he IS the smoke monster. A survivor of the Black Rock or even something earlier than that. If the island's properties include the ability to manifest things by thought, as well as prolonged life, then I can imagine this last survivor building his shack up on the hill, hermit-like, eventually becoming so enmeshed in whatever the island is that he's basically incorporeal there. Bear with me. Because you know that powder/ash/sand that John and Ben step over? Maybe that's the substance of the smoke creature itself, just... inanimated for the moment. This would also explain the wildly random behavior of the thing, if Jacob is really sort of a stir-crazy old hermit thrashing around the island every so often out of... well, stir-craziness. That painting of the dog in his cabin--I'll bet if you researched the breed it would be some kind Old World hunting dog or something, the kind of portrait a sea captain might have in his quarters. In short, I don't think Jacob rules Ben and the Others--I think he's just a very dangerous, crotchedy old neighbor who perhaps knows something about the island even they don't....

[jguinan101]

i know everyone was talking about the looking glass and white rabbit and alice in wonder land theories/refrences well here is a link, gotta love the logo seems obvious they are goin for this thing

[jguinan101]

i know everyone was talking about the looking glass and white rabbit and alice in wonder land theories/refrences well here is a link, gotta love the logo seems obvious they are goin for this thing

http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/The_Looking_Glass

[newscane]

Just so everybody knows, tonight there will be a LOST special entitled "The Answers." The description I believe says "Executive Producers ____ and ____ discuss the mysteries of the island, the revelations discovered this season, and those yet to discover. So it looks like a new recap special. I know i'll be watching.

It starts at 9:15 EST. and ends at 10 EST.

abc.com says it's at 10pm tonight...

[JimiThang1]

THEORY TIME!

-I think we all need to ask ourselves: what became of Annie? And I wonder if she's down there in The Looking Glass. Maybe Ben persuaded the Others to save her from the purge, or maybe he told her to hide down in that station, knowing that everything above sea level was going to be gassed. If she figured out that it was Ben who allowed the purge to happen, maybe she's leading a rebel faction. And Ben won't send anyone to kill her, so she's sort of stuck with whoever else was down in the Looking Glass station when everything went to hell. Some of this scenario seems right to me.

The answer to your first question is no...those two women aren't Annie, their names are on IMDB and it isn't Annie.

[junior94]

I'm in the midst of watching this special, and yea while they've of course given no actual "new" info (though I suppose it could be argued they essentially confirmed that all the island apparitions: Jack's dad, Kate's horse, etc etc are incarnations of Smokezilla), I think it's a well put together piece and I'm happy to continue watching.

[ant_marching41]

abc.com says it's at 10pm tonight...
Yeah, my mistake. Nothing special either, but I'm still watching. Not like there's anything else on though.

[junior94]

Nothing special either, but I'm still watching. Not like there's anything else on though.

Hmm.. actually.... :rolleyes
Now granted, maybe this is just my naivety talking, but I felt they did in fact better clarify a thing or two. For example as I stated soon after the Jacob episode, I had no doubt in my mind that Ben had never actually heard Jacob himself, so he was especially upset that Locke was able to. Well now the way that L&C even presented that whole scenario themselves, it seems they pretty much spelled it out that in reality Ben had an existing communication with Jacob (though even having said that, I'm still raising a big eyebrow on whether he faked his little "I can't hear John if you're gonna talk over him, etc" chat in front of Locke), but just as understandably, the fact that Locke also was able to "communicate" with Jacob freaked Ben the hell out, or as they used the word themselves, threatened him, something that had been building for awhile and that was the primary movitation for Ben shooting Locke, probably ultimately nothing more than Ben's own insecurities showing thru of his leadership position.

Oh and I forget if I'd already made this point here, sorry if I did, I know I told someone else in my life recently but can't recall exactly where -- I think I would've been happier if Ben wasn't shown to have major daddy issues in the past, because frankly he's much scarier as a character if there's no discernable reason why he's the ice cold freakazoid that he is :p
Know what I mean? It just seems like an easy, not to mention obvious answer, that gee okay of course you're gonna turn into a weirdo badass if your father was despicable towards you, but c'mon it's way more chilling if you're like that just 'cause you are :cool
(but I guess I can see why they went that way, I mean it's obviously a major recurring theme on the show of characters having Daddy issues - as I think maybe even Ginger rolled her eyes a bit at after that reveal earlier :p )

edit 2: hot damn, you kids make me proud... look at that, we're almost a full THOUSAND posts ahead of the 24 thread now

[ryguy178]

"The_Answers" = 0 Answers.

although it did tie a few things together I forgot about. Like the Van Hurley found being the Ben's dad van.

[ryguy178]

PS: IF ONLY THEY FOLLOWED THE WIRE INTO THE OCEAN LIKE 5 FRIGGING EPISODES INTO THE VERY FIRST SEASON!!!!


that bothered me so much for so many years.

[newscane]

"The_Answers" = 0 Answers.

although it did tie a few things together I forgot about. Like the Van Hurley found being the Ben's dad van.
Yeah, that provided confirmation for anyone who didn't remember that the skeleton's shirt had a Roger nametag...

[junior94]

Welllll.... but I think we all knew that thing wasn't gonna tell us anything we don't already really know :rolleyes

And hey hey the summer movie-working hiatus for the LOST alumni continues to get interesting.... We already knew that Foxie himself will be playing the character of Racer X in The Wachowski Bros loooong awaited live action rendition of SPEED RACER, but now also comes word today that Nestor Cardonel (Richard) will inherit the role of Gotham City Mayor in THE DARK KNIGHT, Chris Nolan's sequel to Batman Begins.

[ryguy178]

Did everyone see Matthew fox's graduation speech at Columbia?

[junior94]

Did everyone see Matthew fox's graduation speech at Columbia?

Don't know bout anyone else but I sure didn't, that's the first time I'm even hearing of it.

And speaking of Foxy (I know, I sound so keeewwl, like a total insider :p ) having seen the preview for the finale now a second time, something doesn't feel right on that little moment of Jack supposedly saying "I love you" to Kate. I gots a funny feeling they just juxtaposed two different shots together to fake that moment for the preview, I'm thinking it didn't even exist, Jack did/does NOT tell Kate that he loves her... ;)

[skywalker_009]

Don't know bout anyone else but I sure didn't, that's the first time I'm even hearing of it.

And speaking of Foxy (I know, I sound so keeewwl, like a total insider :p ) having seen the preview for the finale now a second time, something doesn't feel right on that little moment of Jack supposedly saying "I love you" to Kate. I gots a funny feeling they just juxtaposed two different shots together to fake that moment for the preview, I'm thinking it didn't even exist, Jack did/does NOT tell Kate that he loves her... ;)

i love you...

[ant_marching41]

This recap if anything confirmed a few a few theories for me. This turned out to be very long post, so for now ill just talk how Ben feels that Locke is a threat. In "The Brig" and "The Man Behind the Curtain," there were many occurrences which led me to the conclusion that Ben was threatened by Locke.

Ben, who killed his father and eliminated the entire Dharma Initiative, feels that he has proven his worth as the ultimate leader of The Others. By "leader" of course I mean the one who everyone else answers to. It has been made clear in the more recent episodes that some of the Others are unhappy with Ben i.e. Richard who reveals to Locke that Ben has been wasting their time with studies on pregnant women. So Ben, aware that his followers have taken great interest in Locke, who undoubtedly has a communion with the island, formulates a plan. For Locke to prove himself, he must kill his father, something Ben knows Locke won’t do. He embarrasses Locke in front of everyone, saying “He’s not who we thought he was.” Unfortunately for him, Richard points Locke in the direction of someone who will kill Anthony Cooper.

I believe that Ben can not see Jacob or communicate with him, at least not anymore. The scene where he talks to Jacob was just an act. How I came up with this is pretty simple:

When Locke hears Jacob say "Help Me," he turns to Ben and asks what he [Ben] just said. Ben doesn't know what he's talking about, which alone means that Ben cannot hear Jacob at all. I feel that Jacob doesn’t simply choose to speak to Locke and not Ben. It’s like a simple conversation between 3 people; if one person can hear, than the other person should be able to as well.

Here’s some further proof that Ben can no longer communicate with Jacob.

Locke makes the comment in "The Man From Tallahassee" that Ben is upset because he hasn't healed as quickly as he thought. Ben's anxious questioning during this scene ("and you were able to walk, just like that") also points to his jealousness. In his mind, perhaps Jacob has chosen someone else as a "chosen one" if you will.

In the final minutes of "The Man Behind the Curtain," Ben shoots Locke and demands to know what Jacob said to him. His facial reaction when Locke says "He said help me," further point to jealousy and anger. Most likely, at least for now, Jacob wants Locke to save him from Ben. It is at this point that Ben is fed up with Jacob's ungratefulness and says "Well John, I hope he can help you."

So there you go. Some obvious theories, maybe, but hopefully I pointed out some occurrences that support them.

[tankdan]

Sorry, folks, I'm running a little low on theories at the moment. I'm just waiting for the finale!

The "Looking Glass" lostpedia page is pretty cool, I didn't know that they actually showed the logo on 1) the map and 2) top of the actual hatch, as Charlie was swimming down.

I wonder how much more of the Looking Glass and Charlie we'll get next week... Will Charlie end the season 1) In the hatch, talking with those people or whatever, 2) Killed by the people, 3) Fulfilling the prophecy, or 4) Back on the Island?

From past season finales, I find comfort in the fact that they always touch on everyone. They don't normally leave storylines hanging (and by hanging, I mean UNtouched... we'll get cliffhangers, no doubt). Next week, I think it's very likely that we'll find out what happens to Charlie and what happened to Locke.

Anyway, none of that is really important, just speculation. I think the biggest lingering question of the season concerns Rousseau, Alex, and Ben. They have definitely been playing that up over the past three seasons, subtly yet consistently. The past few weeks, especially, we've found out that maybe Alex doesn't like Ben at all AND now she thinks that he isn't even her real father... I hope we at least get an Alex-Rousseau reunion, it's been wayyyy too long since Rousseau saw Alex at the sub-dock and then disappeared into the woods without saying anything.

Dan

[tdowe99]

From the previews, it looks like Desmond swims down to try and help Charlie.

[ryguy178]

Video of Matthew Fox's graduation speech

http://www.columbia.edu/acis/networks/advanced/commencement/2007/cc2007-arch.ram

[GinaNMU]

Hey does anyone know if that Lost special from last night is available anywhere, ABC.com?

And I haven't been around the past couple days to really post anything, but what I've read has been pretty insightful...good thinkin' guys.

[tdowe99]

You really didn't miss that much, Gina.
It was 45 minutes of stuff we already know.

[junior94]

Video of Matthew Fox's graduation speech

http://www.columbia.edu/acis/networks/advanced/commencement/2007/cc2007-arch.ram

errrr... graduation speech? :ugh That video was nothing more than following around two dudes as they played the bagpipes...

[ant_marching41]

Hey does anyone know if that Lost special from last night is available anywhere, ABC.com?

And I haven't been around the past couple days to really post anything, but what I've read has been pretty insightful...good thinkin' guys.
"The Answers" will be on next Wednesday before the 2 hour finale. So you can see it then.

[junior94]

I spliced together just the essential parts of the whole Sawyer/Sawyer showdown from "The Brig" for anyone who's interested in revisiting the kickass chain choking scene, it's up on my Youtube page now :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nSsdacYoaw

[ryguy178]

Sorry, here's the real graduation speech

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBZgftcj3SU

[dmb@uvm]

So I was thinking about the Looking Glass and how Julliette said it was flooded and it turns out not to be, then I also thought about how Desmond had said in his flashes he saw Charlie go down there and drowned. First off we never actually saw Desmonds flashes and if the station wasnt flooded then wouldnt Desmond have seen that? We havent seen his flashes to be wrong before they just turn out different becuase he changed them. What Desmond said Charlie was suppose to do is what happened...Charlie went down. Im begining to think Desmonds "noble" decision to go was a ploy. He knew what was down there and wanted them to think he had drowned when in reality just never had intentions of coming back up. As we have seen in the preview he goes down there so he must know its safe to go down. What all this means...I have no idea Im just thinking out loud. Maybe some of you can fill in the blanks with some thoughts.

[dmb@uvm]

Sorry, here's the real graduation speech

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBZgftcj3SU

:lol Look at time mark 9:43. That guy passed out in his chair seems to be very intrigued by Matthew Fox's speech.

[ryguy178]

The girl Charlie saved in the alley was Sayid's love, Nadia.

True or False

[ryguy178]

we see Charlie in his flashback standing on a corner, performing an Oasis song when he is interrupted by a sudden downpour. At first look, it seems this is the same scene from Flashes Before Your Eyes. But if so, where is Desmond? On closer inspection, however, it is evident we are witnessing two separate, but independent events. Charlie's shirt is different, he doesn't appear to have the sign, the surrounding buildings are different (although there is a NewsAgent stand in both, the font is different on the two stands).

[dmb@uvm]

The girl Charlie saved in the alley was Sayid's love, Nadia.

True or False

True

[junior94]

The girl Charlie saved in the alley was Sayid's love, Nadia.

True or False

I'm 99.9% that was confirmed as being TRUE, yes it was Nadia.

And I've another Youtube link for everyone from my page, I gave the Jacob Meeting scene the same treatment as the Sawyer death scene...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJIBSg2_PSI


One thing that struck me a bit though when going over the footage again, when Ben warns Locke that "Jacob feels the same way about techonlogy as you", now granted Locke's clearly always been a character painted in a way there he's very easily one with natural and all things earthly and whatnot, but was there ever anything specifically said other than that in Locke's past with technology? Just from what I recall it's not like he had a Unibomber-ish view towards it, he only wasn't necessarily super new gadget guy. but anyway...


edit: re: above post, doh... guess that's what happens when you post after not updating the page for awhile :p

[Talula62]

Yeah, I don't understand how Locke feels about technology... still confused by that.

[ant_marching41]

we see Charlie in his flashback standing on a corner, performing an Oasis song when he is interrupted by a sudden downpour. At first look, it seems this is the same scene from Flashes Before Your Eyes. But if so, where is Desmond? On closer inspection, however, it is evident we are witnessing two separate, but independent events. Charlie's shirt is different, he doesn't appear to have the sign, the surrounding buildings are different (although there is a NewsAgent stand in both, the font is different on the two stands).
Wow. Good call. You may have been the only one to have noticed this.

[boarderx5423]

we see Charlie in his flashback standing on a corner, performing an Oasis song when he is interrupted by a sudden downpour. At first look, it seems this is the same scene from Flashes Before Your Eyes. But if so, where is Desmond? On closer inspection, however, it is evident we are witnessing two separate, but independent events. Charlie's shirt is different, he doesn't appear to have the sign, the surrounding buildings are different (although there is a NewsAgent stand in both, the font is different on the two stands).
They are flashbacks of how the characters remember them. Charlie remembers the location, the song, the rainstorm, the girl, but he doesn't remember a random guy (Desmond). Desmond remembers Charlie. They are the same flashbacks, but the scene is being remembered from two completely different perspectives.

e: Wonderwall, the location, the rainstorm. These two flashbacks are the same event.

[junior94]

They are flashbacks of how the characters remember them. Charlie remembers the location, the song, the rainstorm, the girl, but he doesn't remember a random guy (Desmond). Desmond remembers Charlie. They are the same flashbacks, but the scene is being remembered from two completely different perspectives.

e: Wonderwall, the location, the rainstorm. These two flashbacks are the same event.

Well apparently not, did you read what he wrote? Key details like the tshirt being worn is different, etc.

And no, the producers wouldn't do a thing like that and just use the excuse that "well events are how the individual remembered them, not necessarily how it factually and exactly transpired". If it was bothered to have a wardrobe change, they're saying it was a wholly different moment in Charlie's past than when Desmond interviened that other time.

Hey look I brought this up myself yesterday, I was wondering if it was supposed to be the same thing because generally speaking it was very similiar to the Desmond scene but obviously he wasn't included so I wasn't sure what the deal was, but Ryan here studied ti closely enough to prove it wasn't the same scene.

[boarderx5423]

Well apparently not, did you read what he wrote? Key details like the tshirt being worn is different, etc.

And no, the producers wouldn't do a thing like that and just use the excuse that "well events are how the individual remembered them, not necessarily how it factually and exactly transpired". If it was bothered to have a wardrobe change, they're saying it was a wholly different moment in Charlie's past than when Desmond interviened that other time.

Hey look I brought this up myself yesterday, I was wondering if it was supposed to be the same thing because generally speaking it was very similiar to the Desmond scene but obviously he wasn't included so I wasn't sure what the deal was, but Ryan here studied ti closely enough to prove it wasn't the same scene.
Yes, I did read that. And yes, I did notice the difference in his shirt during the scene.

At the same time, TPTB wouldn't make the scene nearly identical to the scene the Desmond remembers if there wasn't some significance to it. If they wanted it to be a different time, they would've put Charlie on a different corner, a different song, and different weather. There will be a reason why these two scenes are different. In one flashback, Desmond changes his past and goes to talk to Charlie, preventing him from getting the chance to save Nadia (yes, Sayid's Nadia), from the mugger. In the other, Charlie still saves her. The fact that it is Sayid's Nadia whom Charlie saved from the mugger makes it all the more obvious that this scene holds some special meaning.

[ant_marching41]

It has nothing to do with how Charlie remembers his past.

It all has to do with parallel universes. Do you think Penny recalls Desmond's fall when he was painting the room red? No. He was in a parallel universe in that flashback. If that flashback with Charlie was the same as the one in Desmond's, then different events occured in both.

[tankdan]

Hmmm... BJ, Kevin, and ant_marching41 all make some good points... I want to say that they are two different scenes, but it IS awfully suspicious that they are so similar.

I could buy the idea of a changed-past or parallel-universe or whatever. Maybe, in the end, everyone's past will have changed slightly... Like, maybe, if the Island ends up exploding or sinking into the ocean or "dying," Hurley will come back to find that he never won the lottery... I might actually like something along those lines, especially since they've spent so much time showing us that each Lostie is a criminal or has daddy-issues.

Dan

[junior94]

Hmmm... BJ, Kevin, and ant_marching41 all make some good points... I want to say that they are two different scenes, but it IS awfully suspicious that they are so similar.

I could buy the idea of a changed-past or parallel-universe or whatever. Maybe, in the end, everyone's past will have changed slightly... Like, maybe, if the Island ends up exploding or sinking into the ocean or "dying," Hurley will come back to find that he never won the lottery... I might actually like something along those lines, especially since they've spent so much time showing us that each Lostie is a criminal or has daddy-issues.

Dan

Well again, I brought this up in a post well over 24 hours ago, I'm not sure if I was the first person to speak on it at all but, I said that upon initial reaction when that scene played I was expecting to see Des pop in on the side because it DID look so similar to the one in Des's flashback/time travel/whatever.

But in my previous post here over hte last few hours honestly I wasn't really trying to make a point, I was merely reiterating Ryan's post -- I created the initial suspicion about the scene, I guess if you wanna put it that way, but Ry gave clear cut factual info supporting the idea of it NOT being the same scene in the past, certain visual things not matching up, etc. So I was just reminding of Ry's evidence, that's all.

And I mean, if you wanna call this a similar sort of point.... I'm still very wary on the whole "guy falls out a window" gag. Because based on the study of the two scenes, all the details don't really seem to match up between Locke's 8-story fall this season and the mysterious guy from Hurley's accountant background in season 1. And yet, that's an awfully strange and distinctive "random" thing to happen in a scene, knowing this show, I find it quite odd if they didn't intend fans on drawing a direct parallel between those two. Given all the detail disrepancies, I'd love to get producer confirmation as to whether or not it was indeed supposed to be depicting Locke there in Hurley's s1 flashback.

[junior94]

Anybody happen to know what LOST's official font name is?

And if it's already a part of the package that would be in Windows XP? Gracias.

[tankdan]

Well again, I brought this up in a post well over 24 hours ago, I'm not sure if I was the first person to speak on it at all but, I said that upon initial reaction when that scene played I was expecting to see Des pop in on the side because it DID look so similar to the one in Des's flashback/time travel/whatever.

But in my previous post here over hte last few hours honestly I wasn't really trying to make a point, I was merely reiterating Ryan's post -- I created the initial suspicion about the scene, I guess if you wanna put it that way, but Ry gave clear cut factual info supporting the idea of it NOT being the same scene in the past, certain visual things not matching up, etc. So I was just reminding of Ry's evidence, that's all.

And I mean, if you wanna call this a similar sort of point.... I'm still very wary on the whole "guy falls out a window" gag. Because based on the study of the two scenes, all the details don't really seem to match up between Locke's 8-story fall this season and the mysterious guy from Hurley's accountant background in season 1. And yet, that's an awfully strange and distinctive "random" thing to happen in a scene, knowing this show, I find it quite odd if they didn't intend fans on drawing a direct parallel between those two. Given all the detail disrepancies, I'd love to get producer confirmation as to whether or not it was indeed supposed to be depicting Locke there in Hurley's s1 flashback.

I agree, it seems that they went out of their way to create similar scenes but, upon closer inspection, the two/four scenes definitely do not line up. I've paused Hurley's flashback episode once and compared it to Locke's fall and saw that they didn't match up (for one thing, Hurley's jumper was facing down, not up). I didn't pause Charlie's guitar scene, as Ryan (I think) already gave good info on there being different shirts and whatnot.

All in all, though, I think it would be interesting to consider the idea of "altered" pasts, especially with the concept of Desmond possibly time-traveling or at least changing the future (maybe).

Ultimately, at this point, I just think that those four scenes were little teases to the fans about previous scenes... nothing more.

Dan

[JimiThang1]

Anybody happen to know what LOST's official font name is?

And if it's already a part of the package that would be in Windows XP? Gracias.
Futura...and no you'll have to buy it.

Two different scenes...case closed.

Same with the falling out of the window scenes...case closed.

[tankdan]

Derek, so you think they were just screwing with us, making the scenes so similar?

Me, too.

Dan

[Heavy As Stone]

It was two different scenes. If Charlie is standing on a street corner playing, then he is bound to play the same song more than once. Maybe the significance is that he is standing there, playing that specific song, on multiple occasions. Not so much that Desmond is there at the same time. Maybe the significance is that he is singing a song about someone saving him, and it is a heavy rainstorm, which could indicate death by water, or being saved from death by water.

[JimiThang1]

If you think about space/time theory, since Desmond did go back in time, he would have changed Charlie's memories of that encounter. If they had shown us that encounter then Desmond would have been in it, thus it is a different flashback time period.

[spawn]

Regarding the two different scenes with Charlie singing on the street....there are a couple screenshots and a brief explanation of some differences that can be found here

http://losteastereggs.blogspot.com/

about a quarter of the way down the page. Don't worry about any spoilers, there are only pics on that page from the last episode pointing out various details (like when we saw a cameraman during the episode and probably didnt realize it).

If you don't want to go anywhere near the site for whatever reason, here is a quote from the site (located just below the pics):

In "Greatest Hits", we see Charlie in his flashback standing on a corner, performing an Oasis song when he is interrupted by a sudden downpour. At first look, it seems this is the same scene from Flashes Before Your Eyes. But if so, where is Desmond? On closer inspection, however, it is evident we are witnessing two separate, but independent events. Charlie's shirt is different, he doesn't appear to have the sign, the surrounding buildings are different (although there is a NewsAgent stand in both, the font is different on the two stands).

[spawn]

we see Charlie in his flashback standing on a corner, performing an Oasis song when he is interrupted by a sudden downpour. At first look, it seems this is the same scene from Flashes Before Your Eyes. But if so, where is Desmond? On closer inspection, however, it is evident we are witnessing two separate, but independent events. Charlie's shirt is different, he doesn't appear to have the sign, the surrounding buildings are different (although there is a NewsAgent stand in both, the font is different on the two stands).

Apparantly someone quoted it before I got to it, sorry for the repeat....

[dmb@uvm]

Is it just me or does the brunette chick in the Looking Glass look like the woman Sawyer/James conned?

EDIT: Heres the pic. http://bp2.blogger.com/_8HhjIy50yEY/RkvKsWnoemI/AAAAAAAAAE8/vl7eCBkfq1s/s1600-h/girl.JPG

[tdowe99]

You guys are looking too deep into things:

1.) It rains alot in the UK
2.) Charlie can play "Wonderwall" more than once in his busking career

It's as simple as that.
No time travel, no parallel universes, no Desmond popping up.

[tedies]

You guys are looking too deep into things:

1.) It rains alot in the UK
2.) Charlie can play "Wonderwall" more than once in his busking career

It's as simple as that.
No time travel, no parallel universes, no Desmond popping up.
eh I think your wrong. There is some sort of space/time fluctuation. Watch the special on wednesday before the finale. You can't look too much into things when your talking about Lost.

[ant_marching41]

Is it just me or does the brunette chick in the Looking Glass look like the woman Sawyer/James conned?

EDIT: Heres the pic. http://bp2.blogger.com/_8HhjIy50yEY/RkvKsWnoemI/AAAAAAAAAE8/vl7eCBkfq1s/s1600-h/girl.JPG
Nope.

http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Greta

[spawn]

Nope.

http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Greta

It may not be her, but, she does bear a resemblance, even though it's coincidence....

[junior94]

Nope.

http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Greta

Okay now right there, that gets me. How the hell can Lostpedia POSSIBLY know those two women are "Greta" and "Bonnie" already?? They've made their presence in the entire life of the series a grand total of about 4 seconds of screentime cumulated between them, with no dialogue. I mean, where these characters listed in the episode's overall casting list in the guest star or whatever area?

Because even when it comes to Lostpedia, as all knowing and as "complete" as it may be when it comes to teh show, ultimately it's nothing more than a fan-made creation, yes? It's not like Exec Producers of the show are overseeing the thing officially I'm assuming. So c'mon, when two characters make very tiny appearances and obviously haven't even come remotely close to being acknowledged by particular names yet, how the hell does the site have them "logged", as it were?

[tdowe99]

Thier names may have been in the casting call sheet.

GRETA: Woman in her 30s / blah / blah / blah

That would help the casting director choose the right person the writers had envisioned.
Also, it helps agents find work for their clients.

[JimiThang1]

Okay now right there, that gets me. How the hell can Lostpedia POSSIBLY know those two women are "Greta" and "Bonnie" already?? They've made their presence in the entire life of the series a grand total of about 4 seconds of screentime cumulated between them, with no dialogue. I mean, where these characters listed in the episode's overall casting list in the guest star or whatever area?

Because even when it comes to Lostpedia, as all knowing and as "complete" as it may be when it comes to teh show, ultimately it's nothing more than a fan-made creation, yes? It's not like Exec Producers of the show are overseeing the thing officially I'm assuming. So c'mon, when two characters make very tiny appearances and obviously haven't even come remotely close to being acknowledged by particular names yet, how the hell does the site have them "logged", as it were?

IMDB...actors submit their roles to it...the two chicks names are already up there.

[Talula62]

You guys are looking too deep into things:

1.) It rains alot in the UK
2.) Charlie can play "Wonderwall" more than once in his busking career

It's as simple as that.
No time travel, no parallel universes, no Desmond popping up.
:thumbsup Exactly my first thought.

[tankdan]

Can someone confirm something for me? I think it was something I learned on the "Lost Experience," but then I sometimes get that confused with the actual seasons...

Did Rousseau ever say something like "We were lost at sea and we heard the numbers playing over the radio / saw the source on sonar, so we followed them/the source, and we shipwrecked on this Island."

I'm just trying to remember the history of the radio tower (and Rousseau's history, too), and I believe I remember Roussau going to the tower (after she killed everyone) and changing the message to its current distress signal.

Plus, I really want to find out how much knowledge the Others have of Rousseau. Did they have any contact in the 16 years? Did they even know she was there?

Dan

[JTRocks]

Can someone confirm something for me? I think it was something I learned on the "Lost Experience," but then I sometimes get that confused with the actual seasons...

Did Rousseau ever say something like "We were lost at sea and we heard the numbers playing over the radio / saw the source on sonar, so we followed them/the source, and we shipwrecked on this Island."

I'm just trying to remember the history of the radio tower (and Rousseau's history, too), and I believe I remember Roussau going to the tower (after she killed everyone) and changing the message to its current distress signal.

Plus, I really want to find out how much knowledge the Others have of Rousseau. Did they have any contact in the 16 years? Did they even know she was there?

Dan

I cant even stress enough how ripped off we are for still not having a Rousseau flashback yet after she has been on the show since the first season. I have a feeling we are gonna get some answers in the finale. There has to be some good reason that they are going to include her in these last couple episodes

[skywalker_009]

I cant even stress enough how ripped off we are for still not having a Rousseau flashback yet after she has been on the show since the first season.

im sure that there is a very good reason that we havent gotten one yet... they just arent quite ready in the grand scheme of things to give us that much information yet...

[GinaNMU]

im sure that there is a very good reason that we havent gotten one yet... they just arent quite ready in the grand scheme of things to give us that much information yet...

Oh, totally. But then that makes me even MORE curious as to what her story is since they've been holding off for a reason! :multi

[junior94]

I cant even stress enough how ripped off we are for still not having a Rousseau flashback yet after she has been on the show since the first season. I have a feeling we are gonna get some answers in the finale. There has to be some good reason that they are going to include her in these last couple episodes

Like I said before I really believe we'll get a decent advancement in the personal story of Danielle within the finale because again, to have her around merely as just another armed attacker in the whole camp showdown is weak and doesn't really make any sense. I have to think there's a deeper reason she's going to be involved in all this (especially with Alex's line of dialogue to Karl last week, showing she's got the strong seed of doubt within her now about Ben being her real father)

[UCFish]

So in San Francisco today there was a huge race called Bay to Breakers where everyone dresses up and I saw people in tan jump suits with the dharma logo and they all had their "jobs" on them like Ben's dad. I just said hey that is sweet.

[junior94]

I totally wanna be a Dharma Work Man for Halloween this year.

Who's with me?? :D

[UCFish]

So in. Tough to not be Harry Potter this year.

[JimiThang1]

How funny, i'm dressing up as a dharma workman today for my research paper presentation...instead of dressing up in a suit and tie we can dress up to fit our topic.

[DMBand520]

So I didn't watch last night, and I'm gonna try to hold out for 11 days til my g/f gets back from Costa Rica, BUT it's only been 12 hours since the episode aired and I'm already itching to go to ABC.com and watch it :lol ... Oh well, I'll be back to this thread in 2 weeks.

So I held out for the whole 2 weeks. My g/f got back last night and we watched the last 2 episodes. I can't wait for the finale! I'm glad I only have to wait 3 days to see it. I'm gonna do some back reading today from the past 2 weeks in this thread and then post some more of my thoughts about it.

[UNLTrpt]

Got home from a long weekend away. Saw the episode kinda hurredly on Thursday and I was super busy this weekend so I don't remember a lot of it. I want to watch it again before I comment on it.

One thing I didn't notice till I got back and onto lostpedia...Charlie saving Nadia. That was super crazy.

[GinaNMU]

Ugh, I'm going insane waiting until Wednesday.

My boyfriend and 4 of our friends are betting on who's going to die. $10, and whoever guesses the most right out of 3 each wins. Haven't really worked out the details yet, but our decisions are due in by tonight :) We also all SWORE that we wouldn't visit ANY sites that would include spoilers, so you guys here be good!!

[tedies]

Ugh, I'm going insane waiting until Wednesday.

My boyfriend and 4 of our friends are betting on who's going to die. $10, and whoever guesses the most right out of 3 each wins. Haven't really worked out the details yet, but our decisions are due in by tonight :) We also all SWORE that we wouldn't visit ANY sites that would include spoilers, so you guys here be good!!
I'd put 10 on Benard :( maybe even Sayid. I would cry for weeks if Sayid goes.

[GinaNMU]

I'd put 10 on Benard :( maybe even Sayid. I would cry for weeks if Sayid goes.

I would be VERY upset if Sayid went down. Bernard, too. My guesses right now are Tom (an other that is insignificant as of now...almost picked Mikhail), Juliet (b/c as soon as we realize she is a good guy/on our side, she's going down), and Charlie (duh).

[MVDMB]

Desmond or Charlie

[GinaNMU]

Not Desmond!! He's too damn important being that Penny is like, THE way off the island/has the most ties to anything going on (ya know, all the Widmore connections and whatnot, her dad, etc.)

[UNLTrpt]

My picks to kick the bucket

Rose
Tom
Naomi (helicopter girl)
Charlie

[Talula62]

If Desmond's connection to Penny is supposed to keep his character alive, that assumes that Penny would know when/if he ever dies. I think that's a stretch, right now, so I think Penny can still keep looking and rescue people even if Desmond is dead. Therefore... if Desmond dies, I won't be surprised. I'd rather him go than Sayid! If they're going to kill someone that will really upset us, please be Desmond and not Sayid!

So, I'd guess Desmond, Naomi, Ben, and Charlie. Eek. I dunno. And Phil Leotardo. Wait, wrong show. God, it's so wrong that I'm way more excited for this finale than the complete ending of The Sopranos. It's like I don't even know myself anymore! :lol

[tdowe99]

Jacob told me...

Five for sure, but probably six deaths!

[GinaNMU]

I WON'T HIT THAT BUTTON.

Damnit, Tony stop tempting me! I don't want to know ANYTHING before this ep.

[tdowe99]

*BEEP* *BEEP* *BEEP*

*Alarm Klaxon*

You better push the button, brotha Gina...

[junior94]

Dude I just got totally freaked out a minute ago. So I'm sitting here at my computer in my room, there's a window directly to my left and a lot of typical bird activity goes on out there.

Well the sound that one of them just made, I just perked up because it sounded JUST LIKE the initial sounds that Smokezilla makes in the second or two before he appears really as the blackness :eek :lol Know the sound I'm talking about, right?

Fuck, I know I've done some questionable things in my life... well I guess it's time to be "judged"... :o :D

[dmb@uvm]

If Sayid were to die so would a small part of me. He has been my favorite character since the beginning. Now that I am on the topic, the rest of the Losties need to listen to him more too. Jack needs to get his head out of his ass when Sayid tells him something. When in the history of the show has Sayid ever been wrong?? Never. Its likes hes got a sixth sense. Long live Sayid! Charlie, Im tired of your whining ass...you go die now.

[junior94]

I wonder if Vegas has laid any official odds on the chances that each major character has of surviving the finale :D

[GinaNMU]

I wonder if Vegas has laid any official odds on the chances that each major character has of surviving the finale :D

Hmm...I'm sure they have something like that. I'll go ask my gambling-addicted cousin...

[UNLTrpt]

Re-watching the episode right now

"We're gonna blow em all to hell" great line :lol
Isn't blowing the others up kinda extreme?
Jack decides now to become a leader? come on. And then he wants to do the shooting? Good for him for leading the group.

"Is he my father?" What the hell did that mean?

Why would Hurley want to go with Des and Charlie? And why would Charlie snap at him?

Claire cleavage shots :hump

[junior94]

So I don't watch HEROES myself. My brother does and he's just as big a LOST guy as anyone here. I'm leaning towards the idea of once their finale airs, just DLing the entire first season and then watching them over a period of a couple weeks or so. Anyhow its creator Tim Kring used to work with LOST's Damon Lindelof on the drama CROSSING JORDAN and a website just recently decided to interview them both in one shot. If you wanna check it out...

http://www.wizarduniverse.com/television/heroes/004581877.cfm

[ant_marching41]

Re-watching the episode right now


"Is he my father?" What the hell did that mean?



Well at this point, Alex is doubting whether Ben is really her father. I remember a few episodes ago (The Man From Tallahassee?) this conversation occured:

Sayid: You're Alex, correct?
Alex: Yes.. How do you know my name?
Sayid: Because you look like your mother.
Alex: My mother is dead.
Sayid: I'm sure that they've been telling you that.

Since then, things haven't been exactly peachy between Alex and Ben. She knows what he is doing is wrong, and has made several attemps in the past and present to help the Losties.

[JimiThang1]

So I don't watch HEROES myself. My brother does and he's just as big a LOST guy as anyone here. I'm leaning towards the idea of once their finale airs, just DLing the entire first season and then watching them over a period of a couple weeks or so. Anyhow its creator Tim Kring used to work with LOST's Damon Lindelof on the drama CROSSING JORDAN and a website just recently decided to interview them both in one shot. If you wanna check it out...

http://www.wizarduniverse.com/television/heroes/004581877.cfm
Do it :thumbsup

Heroes is awesome!

[newscane]

So I don't watch HEROES myself. My brother does and he's just as big a LOST guy as anyone here. I'm leaning towards the idea of once their finale airs, just DLing the entire first season and then watching them over a period of a couple weeks or so. Anyhow its creator Tim Kring used to work with LOST's Damon Lindelof on the drama CROSSING JORDAN and a website just recently decided to interview them both in one shot. If you wanna check it out...

http://www.wizarduniverse.com/television/heroes/004581877.cfm
good read, thanks for the link!

[tedies]

Sayid: You're Alex, correct?
Alex: Yes.. How do you know my name?
Sayid: Because you look like your mother.
Alex: My mother is dead.
Sayid: I'm sure that they've been telling you that.

I fucking love Sayid

[JimiThang1]

And damn Kevin that article is good, I wish I would have had that for my research paper, there are a lot of good quotes in there that I didn't have.

[ant_marching41]

I fucking love Sayid
One of the best characters on the show.

[ant_marching41]

So I don't watch HEROES myself. My brother does and he's just as big a LOST guy as anyone here. I'm leaning towards the idea of once their finale airs, just DLing the entire first season and then watching them over a period of a couple weeks or so. Anyhow its creator Tim Kring used to work with LOST's Damon Lindelof on the drama CROSSING JORDAN and a website just recently decided to interview them both in one shot. If you wanna check it out...

http://www.wizarduniverse.com/television/heroes/004581877.cfm

Why download when you could just watch them here.

http://www.tv-links.co.uk/show.do/1/41

I'm not sure if those links will work (some of the lost links don't work me), but its worth a try before you start downloading. I haven't seen Heroes myself, but that may change soon.

[Talula62]

Well the sound that one of them just made, I just perked up because it sounded JUST LIKE the initial sounds that Smokezilla makes in the second or two before he appears really as the blackness :eek :lol Know the sound I'm talking about, right?
SHUT UP! That happened to me today too just sitting at my desk with all the windows opened! I was like, "What was that? Whoa - it kinda sounded like Smokezilla." Dude. Spooky.

Do it :thumbsup

Heroes is awesome!
:thumbsup :thumbsup There was a marathon on Saturday and I watched from about 4 or 5 until 9 and then again from midnight until 2am. I had no flipping clue what was going on but it was just mezmorizing none the less. I have a number of friends who quit Lost, for the most part, and are fully on the Heroes track now. They've been trying to get me to start Heroes for so long. I was resistant because I don't really like comics and I also don't care much for either of the two main chicks that are in it. Except now I think they're totally wickedly awesome. Yeah, it's a good show.

[JTRocks]

Charlie is gonna be on Conan in like 10 minutes

[junior94]

And damn Kevin that article is good, I wish I would have had that for my research paper, there are a lot of good quotes in there that I didn't have.

Oh hey brother speaking of, didn't you say you had your official oral presentation on that today? How'd it go? And I believe you also said like my Halloween idea, you were gonna dress in Dharma duds -- any pics? heh

SHUT UP! That happened to me today too just sitting at my desk with all the windows opened! I was like, "What was that? Whoa - it kinda sounded like Smokezilla." Dude. Spooky.


I know! So whoa, this happened to us both on the same freakin day. Looks like maybe Eko was right, we're next. Wait, does this mean you and I are like Nikki & Paulo somehow? :eek :p Well hey, if so, I mean shit that sounds like fate/destiny speaking to us to me, and ya know what was goin on bewteen Nikki & Paulo so... only fair I think that life imitate art.. :cool :hump :evil


(wow, I think I even creeped myself out on that one...:ugh )


There was a marathon on Saturday and I watched from about 4 or 5 until 9 and then again from midnight until 2am. I had no flipping clue what was going on but it was just mezmorizing none the less. I have a number of friends who quit Lost, for the most part, and are fully on the Heroes track now. They've been trying to get me to start Heroes for so long. I was resistant because I don't really like comics and I also don't care much for either of the two main chicks that are in it. Except now I think they're totally wickedly awesome. Yeah, it's a good show.

Are you serious? So you'd never seen HEROES before, but you just went and watched a whole big chunk of the eps but right in the middle? I'd imagine that would really get you fucked up though, because isn't that show pretty much as heavily mythology based as LOST? So I'd think to truly get and appreciate everything you'd have to watch it from the start straight thru.

But hey, fuck that... you just do something random like this, and this is one of the things I love about you, so... :D

[JimiThang1]

Oh hey brother speaking of, didn't you say you had your official oral presentation on that today? How'd it go? And I believe you also said like my Halloween idea, you were gonna dress in Dharma duds -- any pics? heh


Oh god no no photos, I took it off as soon as I was done. It went alright, I wasn't able to finish because we had 15 minutes. It's hard to practice and judge how long it will be when you are actually doing it you know. I hate oral presentations anyways. Did you finish reading my paper?

[dmb@uvm]

Heroes is alright but that was an extremely weak finally. If that was the caliber of the Lost finally I would be pissed.

[JimiThang1]

:thumbsup :thumbsup There was a marathon on Saturday and I watched from about 4 or 5 until 9 and then again from midnight until 2am. I had no flipping clue what was going on but it was just mezmorizing none the less. I have a number of friends who quit Lost, for the most part, and are fully on the Heroes track now. They've been trying to get me to start Heroes for so long. I was resistant because I don't really like comics and I also don't care much for either of the two main chicks that are in it. Except now I think they're totally wickedly awesome. Yeah, it's a good show.
You haven't been watching the whole time? Greg Grunberg deserves your allegiance! He's the only reason I decided to give the show a try in the beginning anyways :lol

[junior94]

Bollocks, I missed Dominic on Conan :shrug

[UNLTrpt]

Heroes is alright but that was an extremely weak finally. If that was the caliber of the Lost finally I would be pissed.

finally? do you mean finale?

[Talula62]

(wow, I think I even creeped myself out on that one...:ugh )

Are you serious? So you'd never seen HEROES before, but you just went and watched a whole big chunk of the eps but right in the middle? I'd imagine that would really get you fucked up though, because isn't that show pretty much as heavily mythology based as LOST? So I'd think to truly get and appreciate everything you'd have to watch it from the start straight thru.
You :monkey :lol

What can I say? Didn't I ever tell you how I started up with Alias? Sunday Marathon, yo.

You haven't been watching the whole time? Greg Grunberg deserves your allegiance! He's the only reason I decided to give the show a try in the beginning anyways :lolI know, I know! I'm so bad. But I will say that WOW, Greg isn't the geeky nice boy anymore. I mean, I saw the ep where he read his wife's mind during sex and then that other one in the future where he's totally mean, hunting people down... saw that man in a new light. :lol

Missed the finale last night though, on purpose.

[JimiThang1]

You :monkey :lol

What can I say? Didn't I ever tell you how I started up with Alias? Sunday Marathon, yo.

I know, I know! I'm so bad. But I will say that WOW, Greg isn't the geeky nice boy anymore. I mean, I saw the ep where he read his wife's mind during sex and then that other one in the future where he's totally mean, hunting people down... saw that man in a new light. :lol

Missed the finale last night though, on purpose.
Good good get to downloading it...

[junior94]

I mean, I saw the ep where he read his wife's mind during sex and then that other one in the future where he's totally mean, hunting people down... saw that man in a new light. :lol

Wow, ya know I'm not sure I'd wanna be able to read the mind of the girl I'm having sex with. I'm thinking I'd rather just keep assuming that I'm boring her out of her skull instead of hearing her definitely confirm it in her thoughts.

[UNLTrpt]

:lol

Kevin I just saw your sig

:lol

I love that movie. I just bought it on DVD

[GinaNMU]

Bollocks, I missed Dominic on Conan :shrug

Anyone see it? How was it? Any "so, I guess you're doomed, huh?" comments? :lol

[Talula62]

Good good get to downloading it...I've been telling people I'd watch it this summer so I'll probably start when I get home from my parents this weekend. Poor Mom, tomorrow I'm gonna have to be like, "I know I just got here, but I need you to not speak to me for two hours while I watch this really insane show that you won't understand one single second of, which also means you shouldn't watch it with me." :lol

[junior94]

:lol

Kevin I just saw your sig

:lol

I love that movie. I just bought it on DVD

Yea I'd just recently checked out that new version, the "Wild Thing Special Edition", didn't even know theyd' done that... and figured summer was starting so the timing was perfect :D

Now, it'd be impossible to know this of course because you only ever see me as words on a messaeg board, but I've only ever worn a Cleveland Indians hat since back into my mid-teens & I've got like 3-4 different versions. See back around shortly after the movie first came out, my older brother basically had our church's softball team stacked with most of his friends :D I mean I don't know how they got around the league rules becaues very few of these guys went to this church. Well we were really good, we won the league title like 3 years in a row and I guess as an elaborate show of irony all the guys got into wearing the hat from the movie, since obviously the humor was in those guys sucking. It just stuck for a few years, but I fell in love with the whole idea of it and sort of "tradition" of us that I always continued it on. I mean I've never owned nor do I care to have a Phillies hat. I used to have a Dodgers hat (I lived in LA for 5 years so they became sorta myother surrogate fave team for awhile) but it was a gift and never really fit right anyway. It's ALWAYS been a Cleveland Indians hat for me. and it can't be the one with just the cursive "I" on the front, it's always gotta be the Chief Wahoo face :D

Yes, I realize this was waaaaaaaay more than you wanted to know.

edit: The only thing I dont like about the sig is there's no way to indicate Cerrano's Cuban accent with having it just in text like that. I considered writing Jesus as "Heyzooos" or something, but umm yea thinking that might look a bit silly :p

[junior94]

I've been telling people I'd watch it this summer so I'll probably start when I get home from my parents this weekend. Poor Mom, tomorrow I'm gonna have to be like, "I know I just got here, but I need you to not speak to me for two hours while I watch this really insane show that you won't understand one single second of, which also means you shouldn't watch it with me." :lol

Oh so you're back in Okie at the moment. So that's what whatsherface was talking about in that one comment on your myspace
(don't mind me... :D )

Heeeeeyyy... do I smell a HEROES summer viewing party, sister?? :cool C'mon babe, we can make a whole thing of it, I'll come to Denver and we can watch the whole first half of the season there together, then we'll finish out the rest of it with you here in Philly ;)

[UNLTrpt]

Yea I'd just recently checked out that new version, the "Wild Thing Special Edition", didn't even know theyd' done that... and figured summer was starting so the timing was perfect :D

Now, it'd be impossible to know this of course because you only ever see me as words on a messaeg board, but I've only ever worn a Cleveland Indians hat since back into my mid-teens & I've got like 3-4 different versions. See back around shortly after the movie first came out, my older brother basically had our church's softball team stacked with most of his friends :D I mean I don't know how they got around the league rules becaues very few of these guys went to this church. Well we were really good, we won the league title like 3 years in a row and I guess as an elaborate show of irony all the guys got into wearing the hat from the movie, since obviously the humor was in those guys sucking. It just stuck for a few years, but I fell in love with the whole idea of it and sort of "tradition" of us that I always continued it on. I mean I've never owned nor do I care to have a Phillies hat. I used to have a Dodgers hat (I lived in LA for 5 years so they became sorta myother surrogate fave team for awhile) but it was a gift and never really fit right anyway. It's ALWAYS been a Cleveland Indians hat for me. and it can't be the one with just the cursive "I" on the front, it's always gotta be the Chief Wahoo face :D

Yes, I realize this was waaaaaaaay more than you wanted to know.

edit: The only thing I dont like about the sig is there's no way to indicate Cerrano's Cuban accent with having it just in text like that. I considered writing Jesus as "Heyzooos" or something, but umm yea thinking that might look a bit silly :p

:lol ok

yeah i just bought the wild thing edition. I'm gonna pop it in tonight. Its been so long since I've heard what curse words go in place of: STRIKE. THIS. GUY. OUT!

[junior94]

:lol ok

yeah i just bought the wild thing edition. I'm gonna pop it in tonight. Its been so long since I've heard what curse words go in place of: STRIKE. THIS. GUY. OUT!

Oh. my. god. That is hands down one of the absolute worst, silliest dubs for network TV in all of modern film :p :lol It couldn't sound more unnatural. For one thing you've got multiple syllables to fill since Bernsen's natural saying "motherfucker", and it's like all of a sudden you hear this really weak and faint "guy" out of nowhere in the middle of the sentence. It's just retarded :lol

But I did recently slice out just the entire "Wild Thing" Vaughn appearance at the end in the last Yankee game (featuring that classic moment of course), I took that scene and put it up on my Youtube page. Here's the the link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxXnlHBs9hs

[snapmcd]

I fucking love Sayid

You and me both.

edit: I considered changing the quote to I love fucking Sayid but I decided against it.

[ant_marching41]

Oh. my. god. That is hands down one of the absolute worst, silliest dubs for network TV in all of modern film :p :lol It couldn't sound more unnatural. For one thing you've got multiple syllables to fill since Bernsen's natural saying "motherfucker", and it's like all of a sudden you hear this really weak and faint "guy" out of nowhere in the middle of the sentence. It's just retarded :lol

But I did recently slice out just the entire "Wild Thing" Vaughn appearance at the end in the last Yankee game (featuring that classic moment of course), I took that scene and put it up on my Youtube page. Here's the the link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxXnlHBs9hs

One of the coolest scenes in that movie, followed by the most rediculous dub in movie history. I shudder just thinking about it.

[junior94]

You and me both.

edit: I considered changing the quote to but I decided against it.

:thumbsup :thumbsup atta girl Ginger :lol

But shit alright I'll say it. I love Sayid. I wanna have the bitch's babies. I shall be less than pleased if he meets the great torturer in the sky :(