LOST (the tv show)

[junior94]

One of the coolest scenes in that movie, followed by the most rediculous dub in movie history. I shudder just thinking about it.

Hmm actually I think that may have to go to DIE HARD 2. In some of the more obscenity laced scenes, they literally have an actor with a French accent doing the clean dubs of Bruce's lines. :lol

[ant_marching41]

Hmm actually I think that may have to go to DIE HARD 2. In some of the more obscenity laced scenes, they literally have an actor with a French accent doing the clean dubs of Bruce's lines. :lol
Well its a close second then :lol

[UNLTrpt]

I just got done watching the movie on DVD and I have to say, I have never seen the whole movie. Only the edited down TV version. I think I might have seen a dirty version on late night comedy central but it still was edited down. The real movie looks like a directors cut. :lol

ok...back to the topic at hand...

[UNLTrpt]

HAPPY LOST DAY!!!

:multi :multi :multi

Sorry guys, I had to take it one time.

Here's hoping its a good episode that will give us a couple answers but will give us even more questions.

I'll be gone from the thread till I get to see it on Thursday.

:monkey

[junior94]

How many folks round here have the s2 DVD set? Finally got it from my one coworker tonight to borrow and so I'm checking out some of the special features now. It's kinda funny especially in light of the Sayid-love remarks earlier, in the blooper reel there's a bit showing Locke asleep in the bunkbed in the hatch and Sayid approaches him, he calls out his name to wake him up, there's a couple seconds of silence, then suddenly Naveen leans in to Terry O'Quinn's face and says "I can't quit you, baby" and pretends to kiss him. Naturally they both bust up laughing :lol

Oh but dude I almost forgot, the promo that was made for BBC Channel 4.... who else saw this? That was fuckin trippy man. I'm assuming it was made as an overall promo for the start of season 2 when that was first coming to the UK. There's a sort of Breakfast Club-esque voiceover of "one of us is a hero... one of us is a cop... one of us is a killer... etc etc" and all the major characters are out on the beach doing some realy bizarre slow-motion hippy dance or something, all the girls with heavy eyeliner that's running down their faces.. and my personal favorite touch, Locke wearing some kind of white tuxedo that was about 5 sizes too small for him and acting like he was conducting an orchestra...... WEIRD SHIT MAN :D

[tdowe99]

DIE HARD 2

"Yippie Kai Yay, Mr. Falcon!" I believe is the dubbed tv version of his famous phrase.

And happy LOST day to everybody.

[GinaNMU]

How many folks round here have the s2 DVD set? Finally got it from my one coworker tonight to borrow and so I'm checking out some of the special features now. It's kinda funny especially in light of the Sayid-love remarks earlier, in the blooper reel there's a bit showing Locke asleep in the bunkbed in the hatch and Sayid approaches him, he calls out his name to wake him up, there's a couple seconds of silence, then suddenly Naveen leans in to Terry O'Quinn's face and says "I can't quit you, baby" and pretends to kiss him. Naturally they both bust up laughing :lol

Oh but dude I almost forgot, the promo that was made for BBC Channel 4.... who else saw this? That was fuckin trippy man. I'm assuming it was made as an overall promo for the start of season 2 when that was first coming to the UK. There's a sort of Breakfast Club-esque voiceover of "one of us is a hero... one of us is a cop... one of us is a killer... etc etc" and all the major characters are out on the beach doing some realy bizarre slow-motion hippy dance or something, all the girls with heavy eyeliner that's running down their faces.. and my personal favorite touch, Locke wearing some kind of white tuxedo that was about 5 sizes too small for him and acting like he was conducting an orchestra...... WEIRD SHIT MAN :D

Yeah isn't that thing weird?? I actually just saw that maybe a month ago and it is pretty trippy.

And I can't even begin to explain how excited I am for tonight!! :multi

[MacGuyver]

yeah tonights show should rock!!!

[JimiThang1]

How many folks round here have the s2 DVD set? Finally got it from my one coworker tonight to borrow and so I'm checking out some of the special features now. It's kinda funny especially in light of the Sayid-love remarks earlier, in the blooper reel there's a bit showing Locke asleep in the bunkbed in the hatch and Sayid approaches him, he calls out his name to wake him up, there's a couple seconds of silence, then suddenly Naveen leans in to Terry O'Quinn's face and says "I can't quit you, baby" and pretends to kiss him. Naturally they both bust up laughing :lol

Oh but dude I almost forgot, the promo that was made for BBC Channel 4.... who else saw this? That was fuckin trippy man. I'm assuming it was made as an overall promo for the start of season 2 when that was first coming to the UK. There's a sort of Breakfast Club-esque voiceover of "one of us is a hero... one of us is a cop... one of us is a killer... etc etc" and all the major characters are out on the beach doing some realy bizarre slow-motion hippy dance or something, all the girls with heavy eyeliner that's running down their faces.. and my personal favorite touch, Locke wearing some kind of white tuxedo that was about 5 sizes too small for him and acting like he was conducting an orchestra...... WEIRD SHIT MAN :D
It was actually made for season 1 starting in the UK. I don't know why they stuck it on the season 2 DVD here. I guess since it started later in the UK initially.

[jguinan101]

well here we go. happy lost day to all, unfortunatley we wont be saying that again until when... oh yea 8 months from now in feb. '08.:violent :BANG :thumbsdow but anyway i'm still pretty pumped up about the episode tonight, so who, in a purely speculative manner do we think is gonna bite the big one tonight???

[ant_marching41]

How many folks round here have the s2 DVD set? Finally got it from my one coworker tonight to borrow and so I'm checking out some of the special features now. It's kinda funny especially in light of the Sayid-love remarks earlier, in the blooper reel there's a bit showing Locke asleep in the bunkbed in the hatch and Sayid approaches him, he calls out his name to wake him up, there's a couple seconds of silence, then suddenly Naveen leans in to Terry O'Quinn's face and says "I can't quit you, baby" and pretends to kiss him. Naturally they both bust up laughing :lol


:lol Ohh man i have got to see that! I'm sure there are plenty of priceless bloopers in that.


Oh but dude I almost forgot, the promo that was made for BBC Channel 4.... who else saw this? That was fuckin trippy man. I'm assuming it was made as an overall promo for the start of season 2 when that was first coming to the UK. There's a sort of Breakfast Club-esque voiceover of "one of us is a hero... one of us is a cop... one of us is a killer... etc etc" and all the major characters are out on the beach doing some realy bizarre slow-motion hippy dance or something, all the girls with heavy eyeliner that's running down their faces.. and my personal favorite touch, Locke wearing some kind of white tuxedo that was about 5 sizes too small for him and acting like he was conducting an orchestra...... WEIRD SHIT MAN :D


The weird part about that is that someone actually had to approach the actors and say "ok so heres what we wanna do." :lol

[junior94]

The weird part about that is that someone actually had to approach the actors and say "ok so heres what we wanna do." :lol

:thumbsup Right on, exactly :lol


Well okay anyway so here we are on the day of the 3rd season finale, I thought what better time to pick apart something from the 2nd season premiere... :p

So I'm going thru the episode again now, and I realize something doesn't make sense. Charlie has now returned with Sayid from checking out the Others' supposed "warning signal" of black smoke, and especially in light of Shannon swearing she saw Walt drenched in the middle of the jungle (which of course Charlie didn't see) he's all bitching at her that "there ARE NO Others!" when she upsets everyone on the beach recounting her Walt tale.

ummm... way back in the middle of season 1 (& I've brought up this detail many times, especially when other things in dialogue seem to contradict it), after Charlie's life is saved by Jack post-kidnapping, isn't he the one who says "It was Claire.... all they wanted was Claire."
As in, more than just Ethan. I mean he apparently saw visual proof of the Others, why's he so quick to renounce the idea now?

And btw I'd totally forgotten about this genius peace of dialogue between Hurley & Jack out in the jungle...

HURLEY: What's the thing called, where doctors make you feel better, just by talkin' to ya?

JACK: Bedside manner.

HURLEY: Right. Your's sucks, dude.

:lol :lol

[MacGuyver]

:lol ahhh i love hurley

[ant_marching41]

:lol ahhh i love hurley
I'm sure if Hurley were here he'd say "whatever man, love you too."

[Talula62]

Was Charlie not just assuming Ethan was with more people Kev? He didn't necessarily see them, he just assumed Ethan wasn't working alone. Because wasn't Ethan working alone? He was when he kidnapped Claire... So then when Charlie was supposed to be confronted by these Others and that doesn't happen, he's just like, oh geez, these people don't even exist and we're all over-reacting and being ridiculous.

Perhaps?

[JimiThang1]

Was Charlie not just assuming Ethan was with more people Kev? He didn't necessarily see them, he just assumed Ethan wasn't working alone. Because wasn't Ethan working alone? He was when he kidnapped Claire... So then when Charlie was supposed to be confronted by these Others and that doesn't happen, he's just like, oh geez, these people don't even exist and we're all over-reacting and being ridiculous.

Perhaps?
Yea Charlie never made it back to their "camp" in the first place...that was confirmed in Claire's flashback of the Med station. Obviously Ethan didn't bring him there. I doubt Charlie saw anyone except for Ethan because i'm sure he hung him up in that tree soon after.

[JorgeCavos]

Wow, I read the spoilers for tonight. This episode sounds AMAZING. I love how the series has improved after a slow/below-average beginning of the season.

[junior94]

Wow, I read the spoilers for tonight. This episode sounds AMAZING. I love how the series has improved after a slow/below-average beginning of the season.

Wait, you made it all the way until only a matter of hours before the finale, and THEN you read the spoilers? WTF?? :p :lol

[junior94]

Was Charlie not just assuming Ethan was with more people Kev? He didn't necessarily see them, he just assumed Ethan wasn't working alone. Because wasn't Ethan working alone? He was when he kidnapped Claire... So then when Charlie was supposed to be confronted by these Others and that doesn't happen, he's just like, oh geez, these people don't even exist and we're all over-reacting and being ridiculous.

Perhaps?

Yea Charlie never made it back to their "camp" in the first place...that was confirmed in Claire's flashback of the Med station. Obviously Ethan didn't bring him there. I doubt Charlie saw anyone except for Ethan because i'm sure he hung him up in that tree soon after.

Hmm... well yea perhaps you guys are right on this.

Hey and speaking of the Others warning signal from the 1st finale, now I'm not saying it was in fact Smokezilla, but do you figure there's any relation between it being a swirling cloud of black smoke (we've always assumed that's what it is anyway, by what we see), and that's exactly what the Others used as their "beacon", so to speak? That just seems an awfully big coincidence, and as we've seen there's not too many of those on this here show.

[JTRocks]

thats a serious lack of will power, we got 4 hours to go, shit

[UNLTrpt]

HURLEY: What's the thing called, where doctors make you feel better, just by talkin' to ya?

JACK: Bedside manner.

HURLEY: Right. Your's sucks, dude.



:lol he's got a fantastic delivery.

[Talula62]

Does anyone know anything about watching stuff in HD if you have an HD-DVR (in addition to a TiVo) to make the HD on your TV work? Do you just turn to the HD channel and boom, you're in HD?

I'm very internet savvy but connecting more than two machines together melts my brain. I have trouble operating my father's electronic equipment.

But I must say, I'm so happy that I actually get to watch this at the same time as most of y'all. Mountain Time zone kids are left out in the cold. Can't watch along with anybody, it's so sad.

[Route_2]

Wow, I read the spoilers for tonight. This episode sounds AMAZING. I love how the series has improved after a slow/below-average beginning of the season.

I can't wait to get everyone's reaction to this. I've been avoiding this thread since I read the spoiler because I didn't want to risk inadvertantly ruining this for anyone. In regards to the 'game-changer' of the episode, I think when it's in hindsight you'll think "how did I not see that coming?" I guarantee there will be a LIVELY conversation in here tomorrow. See you all then!

[ant_marching41]

I can't wait to get everyone's reaction to this. I've been avoiding this thread since I read the spoiler because I didn't want to risk inadvertantly ruining this for anyone. In regards to the 'game-changer' of the episode, I think when it's in hindsight you'll think "how did I not see that coming?" I guarantee there will be a LIVELY conversation in here tomorrow. See you all then!
My mom read the spoilers last week and the most she told me was that. Needless to say, its been torture trying to think of what it could be. But im glad ill get the full shock value of it tonight. OHH Can't Wait!!! :multi

[JimiThang1]

Does anyone know anything about watching stuff in HD if you have an HD-DVR (in addition to a TiVo) to make the HD on your TV work? Do you just turn to the HD channel and boom, you're in HD?

I'm very internet savvy but connecting more than two machines together melts my brain. I have trouble operating my father's electronic equipment.

But I must say, I'm so happy that I actually get to watch this at the same time as most of y'all. Mountain Time zone kids are left out in the cold. Can't watch along with anybody, it's so sad.
Yea just turn it to the HD channel...and you can record it on the HD-DVR. It's all the same thing. Cable box and HD-DVR all in one. My parents just got one, they are recording Lost for me tonight so I can watch it when I get home for the summer

[JorgeCavos]

Wait, you made it all the way until only a matter of hours before the finale, and THEN you read the spoilers? WTF?? :p :lol

I'm an impatient fuck, sue me. And I forgot to look for spoilers until I remembered that today was Lost Day. Anyway, I don't care, it sounds amazing and it makes me wanna watch tonight's episode even more.

Let me just tell you, you will enjoy it.

[davedmb41]

:lorraine

[mr.MikeD]

wow...

[davedmb41]

no way....

[41ravens]

i really wish i hadn't read the spoilers. still got choked up during the charile scene. yeah, i can admit.

seriously, though, best episode of this show ever.

[watchtower6991]

well now we know they get off the island

[davedmb41]

So whose funeral??

[tdowe99]

I don't see why Charlie didn't run through the door and close it from the other side.

[ryguy178]

what.

[ant_marching41]

OH MY GOD!!!

Best 2 hours of television that I've ever witnessed.

This will have us talking for a long long time....

[41ravens]

how far in the future is it? whose funeral? walt?? what the fuck?? i love this show.

[41ravens]

OH MY GOD!!!

Best 2 hours of television that I've ever witnessed.

This will have us talking for a long long time....

yeah, roughly 9 months.

lame.

[JTRocks]

I didnt like it, pretty much everything we thought was going to happen on the island happened. We knew they were gonna get to the radio tower, we knew that the dynamite trap was going to work. The only major reveal that happened was that Naomi's ship was not sent by Penny, which just leaves us with another major mystery for 8 months along with every other one that wasnt answered in this episode.

[mr.MikeD]

kate: he'll expect me home soon.

sawyer? wonder who "he" is.

[davedmb41]

When does it start back up again?

[watchtower6991]

I don't see why Charlie didn't run through the door and close it from the other side.


I think it was because desmond knew penny was on the monitor and charlie knew if he didnt lock the door from the inside then desmond would open it up again to talk to her, and that prob. would have killed them both.

[JorgeCavos]

Un-fucking-real. Like I said earlier, I read the spoilers, and those alone gave me goosebumps. The moment that you find out it's not a flashback, but a flash-forward, you realize how huge what just happened was. Now how can they start next season?

[PTstoy]

that was amazing...but whoes funeral? that is the question. Not sawyer becuase kate said "he will wonder where I am"...locke? ben?

great finale

also, i dont think that means they get off the island right away. Think about it. Each season spans about a month and we know that there will 3 three seasons left. God knows what could happen but just ebcuase they flashed foward now doesnt mean that they get rescued right away. Plus obviously the funeral was for someone on the island and then jack, kate and sawyer are all alive so ben was lying abotu everyone dying...

[Heavy As Stone]

Uhh.... what? Who sent the ship? Why did she lie about it? What the fuck?

...and we have to wait until next SPRING????

[tdowe99]

I think it was because desmond knew penny was on the monitor and charlie knew if he didnt lock the door from the inside then desmond would open it up again to talk to her, and that prob. would have killed them both.

That makes sense.

Another question is why didn't Charlie try to swim through the hole in the window?
He's a thin lad.

[ryguy178]

I didnt like it, pretty much everything we thought was going to happen on the island happened. We knew they were gonna get to the radio tower, we knew that the dynamite trap was going to work. The only major reveal that happened was that Naomi's ship was not sent by Penny, which just leaves us with another major mystery for 8 months along with every other one that wasnt answered in this episode.
STFU.

Major reveal: They actually got, and spent much time, off of the island.

[siouxsiesue]

Uhh.... what? Who sent the ship? Why did she lie about it? What the fuck?

...and we have to wait until next SPRING????


Yeah. Great show tonight. Loved the spin on Jack's backstory not being a backstory but a future story. If ABC wants higher ratings they would give us new shows this summer or fall, not next spring.

[JimiThang1]

Simply incredible...amazing

[watchtower6991]

wait, if the jack flashbacks were all in the future then why did he say to the one doctor "get my father and if he's drunker than i am then you can fire me". that kinda doesnt make sense.

[DMB-CRAZY]

I hate this show.

[ryguy178]

Whose funeral?

"Friend or family?"
"Neither."

Ben
Locke
Sawyer

Whose death wasn't supposed to happen? Because they got off the island, this person died. The island was keeping them alive. This is why jack is obviously upset.

[ryguy178]

wait, if the jack flashbacks were all in the future then why did he say to the one doctor "get my father and if he's drunker than i am then you can fire me". that kinda doesnt make sense.
True.

[tdowe99]

wait, if the jack flashbacks were all in the future then why did he say to the one doctor "get my father and if he's drunker than i am then you can fire me". that kinda doesnt make sense.

Jack was drunk and on drugs. The doctor gave Jack the look as if he knew C S was dead.
It was also to fool the audience into thinking it was a flashback instead of a flashfoward.

[dobyblue]

wait, if the jack flashbacks were all in the future then why did he say to the one doctor "get my father and if he's drunker than i am then you can fire me". that kinda doesnt make sense.

Thank you.

This is exactly what I've just spent the last 12 minutes talking about to my gf.

He has the same beard and the same band-aid. When he gets on Oceanic 815 he's bringing back Christian Shepherd's dead body.

Is this a massive oversight?

Awesome episode other than that though.

[JimiThang1]

Whose funeral?

"Friend or family?"
"Neither."

Ben
Locke
Sawyer

Whose death wasn't supposed to happen? Because they got off the island, this person died. The island was keeping them alive. This is why jack is obviously upset.

I'm guessing Ben...Kate has to be with Sawyer and I would hope that someone would go to Locke's funeral...though after tonight it seems he may be an outcast.

[Rockyall107]

wait, if the jack flashbacks were all in the future then why did he say to the one doctor "get my father and if he's drunker than i am then you can fire me". that kinda doesnt make sense.
he was whacked the doctor looked at him like he was retarded..

[davedmb41]

wait, if the jack flashbacks were all in the future then why did he say to the one doctor "get my father and if he's drunker than i am then you can fire me". that kinda doesnt make sense.

I was just thinking that....sarcasm?

[dobyblue]

Jack was drunk and on drugs. The doctor gave Jack the look as if he knew C S was dead.
It was also to fool the audience into thinking it was a flashback instead of a flashfoward.

Off to bed, but I PVR'd the HD feed so I'm going to watch that scene again tomorrow.

[JTRocks]

I just stumbled upon the UK commercial we were talking about earlier, Ive never seen it before so i checked it out, and I have to say that it is pretty trippy especially after just watching this finale.

http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1618980

[ant_marching41]

I don't see why Charlie didn't run through the door and close it from the other side.

Because he knew it was his destiny to die. Yeah he could have, but he was ready to die and to save everyone.

how far in the future is it? whose funeral? walt?? what the fuck?? i love this show.

few years maybe. I don't know yet. Sawyer maybe? Walt has superpowers and has been working on them since the others took him (shannon's vision, he was talking backwards, so he couldn't fully use them.) now he can position himself anywhere he wants and speak normally. He saved Locke, and gave him a new purpose for living.

Flashforward!!!??? I loved it!!!

[Raven36]

holy curse word.

who else is crying over charlie right now?

why wont that russian guy FREAKING DIE!!

i think its locke's funeral...

and who the the heck is "he"? expecting Kate home?

i love danielle.

again, crying over charlie. poor claire.

ugh! amazing tv! good gracious my emotions are all over the place!!

[41ravens]

Jack was drunk and on drugs. The doctor gave Jack the look as if he knew C S was dead.
It was also to fool the audience into thinking it was a flashback instead of a flashfoward.

:thumbsup

i wonder where they go from here. 9 months is too long.

[DynastyDrummer1]

Whose funeral?

"Friend or family?"
"Neither."

Ben
Locke
Sawyer

Whose death wasn't supposed to happen? Because they got off the island, this person died. The island was keeping them alive. This is why jack is obviously upset.

Ben and Rose both have cancer...

[41ravens]

i don't think it's locke's funeral. when all is said and done, i don't think locke's ever going to leave the island. he's either going to die or stay there forever.

[Raven36]

Ben and Rose both have cancer...

she does!?

did i miss that?

[SCarolinadmbfan]

I think Locke stayed on the island... I'm guessing it was Ben's funeral.

[Raven36]

i don't think it's locke's funeral. when all is said and done, i don't think locke's ever going to leave the island. he's either going to die or stay there forever.

so true. he wouldnt choose to leave. good point.

[Raven36]

I think Locke stayed on the island... I'm guessing it was Ben's funeral.


why would jack cry over Ben's funeral? even if he was drunk? dont see that happening....

[41ravens]

she does!?

did i miss that?

yeah, that's why they were in sydney. bernard wanted her to see a witch doctor, or something of that nature.

why do i have the feeling kevin is composing some 3 page post right now?? ;)

[ant_marching41]

why would jack cry over Ben's funeral? even if he was drunk? dont see that happening....
We didn't see the flashforward happening either. Who knows what the next 3 seasons will bring.

[tdowe99]

she does!?

did i miss that?

Rose and Bernard went to Australia to see a faith healer.
They crash on The Island, and Rose is cured.

[DynastyDrummer1]

she does!?

did i miss that?

Yah, she had it bad when her and Bernard got married. They went on their honeymoon to visit a healer in Australia and he said he couldn't fix her because "her energies weren't right" or something along those lines, but she told Bernard that he fixed her.

[GinaNMU]

Yes, for whoever asked about who was crying over Charlie...I had tears streaming down my face. I'm gonna miss him a lot. :lorraine

Couldn't have asked for more in the finale. I'm just mind-boggled right now. But before I go to bed, I'll just say that this is hands down my favorite tv show of all time. Absolute brilliance!!!!!!!!!

I'll write more tomorow. I hope you guys are just ask impressed and f'in emotional as I am right now!! :lol

[snapmcd]

Bound and gagged, Sayid can kill a man without breaking a sweat. Somebody get me a glass of water.

Sayid has officially replaced Mr. Sark. For those of you who understand the significance of that.

[41ravens]

Yes, for whoever asked about who was crying over Charlie...I had tears streaming down my face. I'm gonna miss him a lot. :lorraine

Couldn't have asked for more in the finale. I'm just mind-boggled right now. But before I go to bed, I'll just say that this is hands down my favorite tv show of all time. Absolute brilliance!!!!!!!!!

I'll write more tomorow. I hope you guys are just ask impressed and f'in emotional as I am right now!! :lol

i almost cried when he died and i knew it was coming!! very powerful scene.

[SCarolinadmbfan]

why would jack cry over Ben's funeral? even if he was drunk? dont see that happening....

Why would he cry over Ben's funeral? Perhaps he was crying about how Ben was right all along. Obviously Jack's life went to shit after they left and this is something Ben knew would happen. You must of missed the last 5 mins where Jack says he needs to go back to the island.

[tdowe99]

Bound and gagged, Sayid can kill a man without breaking a sweat.
Yeah, he went all Jack Bauer on that Other. :twenty4

[ryguy178]

I'm going to stick with Ben's funeral for the next few months. Its the only person I can reconcile Jack saying wasn't his friend.

And I really wan't some PodCast 'splainin about the "go get my father" scene.

PS: I'm glad Charlie is dead. His character was annoying, from the very start.

[tedies]

Wow, I am man enough to admit that I cryed when charlie died. He was one of my favorites on the island, poor claire and aaron :(. Me and my girlfriend really think that the funeral was a kids funeral because if you look at the casket, its very small. What an emotional coster ride we have all been on the last couple hours. I need another beer!

[tedies]

I'm going to stick with Ben's funeral for the next few months. Its the only person I can reconcile Jack saying wasn't his friend.

And I really wan't some PodCast 'splainin about the "go get my father" scene.

PS: I'm glad Charlie is dead. His character was annoying, from the very start.
:twak :twenty4 some respect for the dead

[newscane]

wait, if the jack flashbacks were all in the future then why did he say to the one doctor "get my father and if he's drunker than i am then you can fire me". that kinda doesnt make sense.
I thought about that... maybe he's saying it for "dramatic effect" to make a point.

And yeah. Whoa.

[JorgeCavos]

I think Jack used the father comparison on purpose, like newscane said, for dramatic effect. Obviously he's dead, so he can't be "more drunk" then him. Same thing goes for trying to get the pills at the pharmacy when they tried calling the dad's office and Jack got all defensive saying he was "out of town."

I originally thought it was Ben's funeral that Jack went to, but thinking back, he did start to cry when he initially read the news, so I don't know who it could be. Great fucking episode.

[GinaNMU]

some respect for the dead

No shit, right?? How can you NOT like Charlie after the last 2 episodes? If you're still a Charlie hater (for whatever reasons I don't understand) you have no soul ;)

RIP. I will miss him a lot :(

It really is sad how emotionally involved I am with this show :lol

It's like reading the best book/story I have ever heard. The character development is just beautifully done and the story by the end of this series will be unbelievable.

[Panther41]

wait, if the jack flashbacks were all in the future then why did he say to the one doctor "get my father and if he's drunker than i am then you can fire me". that kinda doesnt make sense.

It was sarcasm, plus Jack was pretty far gone by that point. And from a writer's standpoint, it was a perfect play to keep people thinking it was a flashback.

I really had a feeling about it being a flashforward early on--it just didn't seem to fit into Jack's backstory anywhere. He had a rough times when his wife left him, but this seemed like something far more life-shattering (and it was).

[DMB_Joy Ride]

There's a reason Sayid is my favorite character... He killed a man with his feet for Christ's sake, without thinking about it

[tedies]

No shit, right?? How can you NOT like Charlie after the last 2 episodes? If you're still a Charlie hater (for whatever reasons I don't understand) you have no soul ;)

RIP. I will miss him a lot :(

It really is sad how emotionally involved I am with this show :lol

It's like reading the best book/story I have ever heard. The character development is just beautifully done and the story by the end of this series will be unbelievable.
I know charlie's character has come a long way this half season. "its charlie Pace, tell him i say hi". He will be missed by us with souls. Still im glad sayid, benard, and jin are still around. I don't know what I would have done if the bit the dust

[tedies]

There's a reason Sayid is my favorite character... He killed a man with his feet for Christ's sake, without thinking about it
:thumbsup Sayid and Jin together could kick some serious ass

[siouxsiesue]

Who else was cheering when we found out that Sayid, Jin and Bernard were still alive... and the scene where Hurley drove the VW into the camp... awesome.

[Talula62]

Another question is why didn't Charlie try to swim through the hole in the window?
He's a thin lad.That is what I was screaming, quietly inside my own head. I totally cried AGAIN. Charlie was pretty badass in this episode.

Bound and gagged, Sayid can kill a man without breaking a sweat. Somebody get me a glass of water.

Sayid has officially replaced Mr. Sark. For those of you who understand the significance of that.

Oh no you didn't!!! No, I fully respect that, cuz that was like the coolest thing EVER.

I'm with those of you who think the funeral was for Ben.

Ugh. I still miss Charlie. :lorraine

[spawn]

i really wish i hadn't read the spoilers. still got choked up during the charile scene. yeah, i can admit.

seriously, though, best episode of this show ever.

I am in total agreement.............

[spawn]

So whose funeral??

DOn't know, but, didn't the coffin look kinda small?

[blueflame529]

Who else was cheering when we found out that Sayid, Jin and Bernard were still alive... and the scene where Hurley drove the VW into the camp... awesome.
Me too, I felt so happy when they were showing everybody cheering. :)
I love this show. It may frustrate and confuse me sometimes, but I love it. I am really sad that we have to wait until next year to see more.

[spawn]

Thank you.

This is exactly what I've just spent the last 12 minutes talking about to my gf.

He has the same beard and the same band-aid. When he gets on Oceanic 815 he's bringing back Christian Shepherd's dead body.

Is this a massive oversight?

Awesome episode other than that though.

I think he was just trying to make a point that his father continued surguries even when he was that drunk or something along those lines. It was meant to be sarcastic I think....

[GLR87]

I really don't know where the next three seasons are going..How far is this flashback, and does this mean the show is not longer on the island, or are they going to end up killing whoever Noami's people are and Penny will eventually find them and take them off...I got plenty of fucking time to think about it I guess..

[ant_marching41]

The true beauty of that last scene is the change in Jack from what we've known about him before tonight, to what has become of him. Let me explain.

For as long as we've known Jack, he has been a "man of science," and not a man of faith. His soul purpose on the island has been to get off it. Flashforward to the last scene, and he's a different and broken man, and says "we never should have left." Something terrible happened on that island that we have yet to see.

[tedies]

DOn't know, but, didn't the coffin look kinda small?
:thumbsup yes it was small

[UNC41]

That was absolutely amazing. So many thoughts are still running through my head.

[ant_marching41]

That was absolutely amazing. So many thoughts are still running through my head.
I don't know what to do with myself now...

It all feels like a dream...

[Talula62]

Don't know, but, didn't the coffin look kinda small?It didn't look small to me... and if it were a child, why wouldn't anyone be at the funeral? That doesn't really make sense, does it?

I really don't know where the next three seasons are going..How far is this flashback, and does this mean the show is not longer on the island, or are they going to end up killing whoever Noami's people are and Penny will eventually find them and take them off...I got plenty of fucking time to think about it I guess..
When whoever it was that died, died, it proved to Jack that they never should have left the island - at least not in the way they did so. Naomi's people rescue them and Penny's still shit outta luck? I wonder if everyone actually left the island.

I did the rewind and slow motion/pausing thing to try to see if I could read the newspaper but I couldn't.

[tedies]

I did the rewind and slow motion/pausing thing to try to see if I could read the newspaper but I couldn't.
they have some screen caps over on antoher site. You can't get much besides a man found in downtown. I guess we know its a man

[JTRocks]

I posted this video earlier but i think it got lost at the end of one of the pages. It was talked about earlier today in the thread its that UK commercial. Its pretty cool to watch after seeing this finale tonight.

http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1618980

[SatelliteEyes]

Ben is a pretty slightly built person. Not much larger than a teenager. I would say it is him in that casket.

[ryguy178]

Sayid has officially replaced Mr. Sark. For those of you who understand the significance of that.

No way! But I do find myself comparing Sark to Ben all the time.

[tedies]

I posted this video earlier but i think it got lost at the end of one of the pages. It was talked about earlier today in the thread its that UK commercial. Its pretty cool to watch after seeing this finale tonight.

http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1618980
:thumbsup wow that awesome. I love Locke the maestro

[JimiThang1]

Bound and gagged, Sayid can kill a man without breaking a sweat. Somebody get me a glass of water.

Sayid has officially replaced Mr. Sark. For those of you who understand the significance of that.
Woah that's a bold statement!

[ant_marching41]

Sawyer: That's for taking the kid off the raft.


One of the best lines of the series.


Edit: I love it because it made me think back to when Sawyer says to him in season 2 "You and me ain't done Zeke."

[Talula62]

No way! But I do find myself comparing Sark to Ben all the time.
Except Sark is waaay hotter. :lol Oh, and that Sayid break-a-ncek-with-your-feet thing is pure 100% Jack Bristow, no?

Speaking of Alias, I've been dying to talk about this comparison business. Why compare this finale episode to Phase One? No one turned evil/cloned in the end. No one finally made out. No one hot pranced around half naked. They didn't rid themselves of an entire unit of bad guys - all those other Others went to "The Temple." (What's that, by the way?)

They just flashed forward into the future. A little more like when Syd wakes up after two years, if you ask me. Also - Charlie underwater and Desmond banging on the glass with a fire extinguisher + the "I'm your mother" reveal was totally Almost Thirty Years.

But back to what's important...

[JimiThang1]

Except Sark is waaay hotter. :lol Oh, and that Sayid break-a-ncek-with-your-feet thing is pure 100% Jack Bristow, no?

Speaking of Alias, I've been dying to talk about this comparison business. Why compare this finale episode to Phase One? No one turned evil/cloned in the end. No one finally made out. No one hot pranced around half naked. They didn't rid themselves of an entire unit of bad guys - all those other Others went to "The Temple." (What's that, by the way?)

They just flashed forward into the future. A little more like when Syd wakes up after two years, if you ask me. Also - Charlie underwater and Desmond banging on the glass with a fire extinguisher + the "I'm your mother" reveal was totally Almost Thirty Years.

But back to what's important...
Yea tonight was definitely a mix of Almost Thirty Years and The Telling

[tarheel997]

The true beauty of that last scene is the change in Jack from what we've known about him before tonight, to what has become of him. Let me explain.

For as long as we've known Jack, he has been a "man of science," and not a man of faith. His soul purpose on the island has been to get off it. Flashforward to the last scene, and he's a different and broken man, and says "we never should have left." Something terrible happened on that island that we have yet to see.

Or something amazing

[Altima22]

Okay I totally missed the whole flashforward part. I was so annoyed by the episode that the final scene got lost (pun intended) in the shuffle and I didn't even put the pieces together.

Can someone lay it out for me? What did I miss exactly? :lol

[ant_marching41]

Or something amazing
Thats one way to look at it too. Kate didn't seem too devastated in the future. Well if she was, she wasn't a drunk pillpopper with a beard, so...

I love how its nearly impossible to theorize on anything major after this episode. Its a totally new way of thinking about this show. I really can't say anything else besides this was the greatest 2 hours of television that I've ever seen.

[tarheel997]

Thats one way to look at it too. Kate didn't seem too devastated in the future. Well if she was, she wasn't a drunk pillpopper with a beard, so...

I love how its nearly impossible to theorize on anything major after this episode. Its a totally new way of thinking about this show. I really can't say anything else besides this was the greatest 2 hours of television that I've ever seen.

I think Charlie spilled the beans on Conan the other night..perhaps cause he got written off?

[UNC41]

Okay I totally missed the whole flashforward part. I was so annoyed by the episode that the final scene got lost (pun intended) in the shuffle and I didn't even put the pieces together.

Can someone lay it out for me? What did I miss exactly? :lol

I was caught up in it for a minute too. My initial reaction was that Jack and Kate were part of Naomi's crew and responsible for the plane crash.

[ant_marching41]

I think Charlie spilled the beans on Conan the other night..perhaps cause he got written off?
What did he say? I didn't see it.

[Altima22]

Thats one way to look at it too. Kate didn't seem too devastated in the future. Well if she was, she wasn't a drunk pillpopper with a beard, so...

I love how its nearly impossible to theorize on anything major after this episode. Its a totally new way of thinking about this show. I really can't say anything else besides this was the greatest 2 hours of television that I've ever seen.

Wow, I thought it was a pretty terrible 2 hours of television myself...

[Altima22]

I was caught up in it for a minute too. My initial reaction was that Jack and Kate were part of Naomi's crew and responsible for the plane crash.

Wow, I didn't even get close to going there :lol

I guess I just don't like speculating too much. I should probably leave this thread I guess :p

[ant_marching41]

Wow, I thought it was a pretty terrible 2 hours of television myself...
Well you were Lost the entire time, so its understandable. If you're still at Bucknell as of right now, get a hold of Eric, my best friend, and ask him about the show if you need things explained. You may even know him, its that small a school.

[tarheel997]

What did he say? I didn't see it.


He said, more or less,

"I've had my own theory ya know for a while, and it is that everyone who crashed on the island had one point in time inadverdantly done something wrong to one person with a lot of money and power who could orchestrate the whole thing"

He then said that this couldn't really be true, but he never said why. Almost kinda a Usual Suspects deal, with the clues right in front of our faces the whole time. Locke was a cripple, perhaps he ='s Keyser Soze(Jacob)?

[Altima22]

Well you were Lost the entire time, so its understandable. If you're still at Bucknell as of right now, get a hold of Eric, my best friend, and ask him about the show if you need things explained. You may even know him, its that small a school.

No I came home two weeks ago. What year is he?

I am Lost in every movie, TV show, etc. I just don't follow well :lol

[ant_marching41]

No I came home two weeks ago. What year is he?

I am Lost in every movie, TV show, etc. I just don't follow well :lol
He's a freshman.

This show isn't for you I guess. Have you really stuck around this long in the show??? :freak

[Altima22]

He's a freshman.

This show isn't for you I guess. Have you really stuck around this long in the show??? :freak

I'm a sophomore...

Yeah I enjoyed the first two seasons. This season was getting meh for me, and this finale really kinda sucked... but the flashforward idea does give it some life. I'm intrigued now.

[ant_marching41]

I'm a sophomore...

Yeah I enjoyed the first two seasons. This season was getting meh for me, and this finale really kinda sucked... but the flashforward idea does give it some life. I'm intrigued now.
I suggest you watch it again.

[Altima22]

I suggest you watch it again.

I might have to with my gf... she had to work tonight.

[Altima22]

Alright, bed time. I won't lose any sleep over Lost though :p

[Talula62]

So anyway, I'm wondering how managed to get away without being locked back up in jail once she returned to the island. I mean, they all got golden tickets/free lifetime passes or whatever... there had to be alot of press.

If we're supposed to be assuming that it was Dharma who rescued them and they gave her a new identity, alright, but maybe we should be assuming that crashing into the middle of Pacific gives you an automatic pardon?

And would it also be safe to assume that Naomi was lying/misinformed that the 815 wreckage was discovered and that they found the bodies? Damn, that's a good question too.

[newscane]

If you want to make your head spin:

http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Through_the_Looking_Glass/Theories

[JimiThang1]

And would it also be safe to assume that Naomi was lying/misinformed that the 815 wreckage was discovered and that they found the bodies? Damn, that's a good question too.

Definitely lying and definitely Dharma...

[JimiThang1]

Newspaper clipping:

http://losteastereggs.blogspot.com/2007/05/newspaper-through-looking-glass.html

And people are speculating it is another philosopher name because they can make out the 'ntham' at the top:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremy_Bentham

[Talula62]

Oooh, thanks Derek!!

[UNC41]

Newspaper clipping:

http://losteastereggs.blogspot.com/2007/05/newspaper-through-looking-glass.html

And people are speculating it is another philosopher name because they can make out the 'ntham' at the top:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremy_Bentham

Who's from New York? After the last name you can't make out the next word is "of" and the first words on the second line is "New York."

[ant_marching41]

Newspaper clipping:

http://losteastereggs.blogspot.com/2007/05/newspaper-through-looking-glass.html

And people are speculating it is another philosopher name because they can make out the 'ntham' at the top:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremy_Bentham

Damn that was fast :lol

Looks like its definitely Bentham, or should I say BENtham.


........


We all desperately need sleep..

:D

[tedies]

The person in the casket was.... JACOB!!!! Yes I just blew your mind :rolleyes

[ant_marching41]

Just reading a few of these posts from the losteastereggs site, and this was amusing.

"When Jack pulls up to that funeral home, the name of it is "Hoffs/Drawler." This is an anagram for "Flash Foward."

Cool shit right there. And with that, I'm off to bed.

[joepsu0985]

I have never been this floored by a TV show in my 21 years on earth. Wow...

[Raven36]

Why would he cry over Ben's funeral? Perhaps he was crying about how Ben was right all along. Obviously Jack's life went to shit after they left and this is something Ben knew would happen. You must of missed the last 5 mins where Jack says he needs to go back to the island.


nope... saw that part. just dont believe it was bens funeral. ;)

[Raven36]

Wow, I am man enough to admit that I cryed when charlie died. He was one of my favorites on the island, poor claire and aaron :(. Me and my girlfriend really think that the funeral was a kids funeral because if you look at the casket, its very small. What an emotional coster ride we have all been on the last couple hours. I need another beer!

i noticed that as well. it was a very small casket.

aaron? probably not. but it was short. not full grown man size.

[Raven36]

There's a reason Sayid is my favorite character... He killed a man with his feet for Christ's sake, without thinking about it

he is my fav character as well. ive often told my roommates, if i were on the island, he would be the only guy i would fully trust with my life at all times.

[Raven36]

sorry for all these posts in a row. on a side note, i knew it was a flashforward from the first scene for a dumb reason. Jack pulled out a krazor, the new motorola phone that is new and not on the market in the yr that the plane is alleged to have crash.. at first i noticed it and thought "what a dumb blooper to miss. obvious year misrepresentation". and then i figured they would have caught that, so its probably a flashforward.... which to be honest i wasnt all too impressed with the flashforwards. they have to get off the island eventually. so it just wasnt a surprise for me... :shrug

[Talula62]

Dudes... Jeremy Bentham created the concept of a panopticon.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panopticon
The Panopticon is a type of prison building designed by English philosopher Jeremy Bentham in the late eighteenth century. The concept of the design is to allow an observer to observe (-opticon) all (pan-) prisoners without the prisoners being able to tell if they are being observed or not, thus conveying a "sentiment of an invisible omniscience." In his own words, Bentham described the Panopticon as "a new mode of obtaining power of mind over mind, in a quantity hitherto without example."

[junior94]

AAAAAAAcccckkkkk!!!

2am EST and the LOST Thread Guru himself has STILL NOT YET SEEN the finale!!! :eek :p

Well, I've since already finished DLing the torrent of the 1st hour (they split them up over on EZTV as I kinda thought they would, so I was able to start DLing the first one while the 2nd half was still broadcasting), but I'm kinda paranoid that by the time I get thru the 43 minutes or whatever it is that the torrent for the 2nd hour won't be finished yet, and I'll go batty if I have to wait a chunk inbetween watching each half :lol

(btw if you hadn't guessed yet, I was very particular to come in here to post this and not catch seeing even a single word of any of the other posts tonight... I have no idea what ya'll are saying, and yet you can say I'm right in the midst of it all! :D )

[Roddy9]

Why couldn't Charlie had just gone on the other side of the door and locked it behind him. He didn't have to die.

Jack says that they need to quit lying at the end to Kate. It reminds me of the movie Contact with Jodie Foster. She saw her dad, she traveled through worm holes, however in the end no time had passed.

I think what they showed tonight will be answered three years from now in the Finale. When they finally make it back, has any time truly passed? Is that what they are lying about? Is that Ben's body in the casket? I think it is.

Only nine months now........

[Talula62]

Kevin, I have been wondering where the hell you were at! So I can go to sleep now, knowing that you'll have triple posted by the morning! :) :lol Which is good. I can't get enough speculation tonight.

[tedies]

Why couldn't Charlie had just gone on the other side of the door and locked it behind him. He didn't have to die.

Jack says that they need to quit lying at the end to Kate. It reminds me of the movie Contact with Jodie Foster. She saw her dad, she traveled through worm holes, however in the end no time had passed.

I think what they showed tonight will be answered three years from now in the Finale. When they finally make it back, has any time truly passed? Is that what they are lying about? Is that Ben's body in the casket? I think it is.

Only nine months now........
My buddy was wondering that as well. I think it will be said that it could only be sealed from that side. Also he believed in Desmond's flashes so uch (who wouldnt in his position) that he believed thats what he had to do to get people off the island.

[tedies]

Little interesting tidbits from lostpedia. 15 deaths this episode. Thats a new record, how many damn others are there? They have killed quite a few of them they should maybe be not so cocky now. Also some seem to think it wasnt a future flash but an alternate timeline type of thing. Which would go along with this season quite nicely. Also theres a theory that Liam, charlie's bro, programed the music on the jamming device. That seems kind of a stretch but it is Lost.

[themaker111]

Here are some reasons why it's Ben in the coffin -
1. Ben was the key to getting back to the island (at least in Jack's head).
2. Ben's death would have a major effect on Jack, especially if Ben's prediction about everyone on the island dying is true. (obviously some people survive but I'm guessing Jack's depression is caused by people dying and/or Jack not listening to Ben about calling the people on the phone. This is why the flash forward is tied with the exact moment that Jack uses the phone.)
3. When asked, Jack said he was neither a friend or family
4. The coffin is small like Ben.
5. Kate said, "Why would I go to his funeral," implying it's someone she hates.
6. If Ben dies then Jack's hope of returning to island is dead and he feels like he has nothing left to live for.

What I find more interesting is Jack's comment to Kate in the flash forward, "I'm sick of lying!" -

Has anybody thought about what Jack meant by this?

It's almost like when they were saved they had to swear to not tell anyone about the island.

[junior94]

Okay I'm now about 10 minutes into the 2nd hour, and I'm tellin ya if the "big big HUGE reveal" in Jack's past is that he had a bout with drug addiction in the wake of his divorce I swear I'm gonna shoot my fucking monitor :p :lol

[themaker111]

Okay I'm now about 10 minutes into the 2nd hour, and I'm tellin ya if the "big big HUGE reveal" in Jack's past is that he had a bout with drug addiction in the wake of his divorce I swear I'm gonna shoot my fucking monitor :p :lol

Oh boy, are you in for a sweet revelation!

[junior94]

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[snapmcd]

Yeah, he went all Jack Bauer on that Other. :twenty4

Jack Bristow, maybe. Jack Bauer? No way. ;)

[snapmcd]

Except Sark is waaay hotter. :lol Oh, and that Sayid break-a-ncek-with-your-feet thing is pure 100% Jack Bristow, no?

See?!

Whoever posted the UK video--very interesting. The women all look like they borrowed Richard's eyeliner.

[Heavy As Stone]

My wife and I think that something major happens between when Jack talks to the guys on the boat, and when we catch up with him in the future. I mean, there has to be. The whole thing about Naomi lying is definitely a major point. Also, the bodies were found dead? And did anyone else notice when Mikhail said to the girls (I think he said it to them) something about "being on assignment in Canada" implying that this is much bigger than people on an island, which we've known/suspected all along.

Off. The. Hook.

[joepsu0985]

It has to be Ben or Juliette for Kate to make the comment. Im thinking Ben. Jack cant get back to the island then. He has nothing to live for here. He was a leader there, he had responsibility.

Also, if Ben is dead, and assuming Locke is still on the island, will he be the leader?

And wtf are they going to do for 3 more seasons? My mind is blown over this finale. It was the best two hours of TV i have ever watched. What a way to end the series.

[GinaNMU]

Yeah, that comment from Jack will f'in haunt me for a loooong time I have a feeling.

"I'm sick of lying!!"

:ugh Huh??

I'm still totally buzzing from last night.

Alex and Rousseau. One of the best lines of the whole night... "want to help me tie him up??" :lol

I sort of saw this coming, but HURLEY saves the day!! He's been so left out lately that I knew somehow he'd play a huge part in helping everyone.

Again, bawled like a baby when Charlie died. RIP, he will be missed.

I'm so confused about Naomi and her boat. How did/does Ben know who they are and the outcome if they arrive on the island?? Stupid Naomi.

Hmm...what else... Oh! I LOVE how they finally started really putting out there the fact that the others are starting to lose LOTS of faith in Ben. I've been saying it for awhile (that they're wondering why they're still there and listening to this guy), but now I LOVE that Richard and Tom and Mikhail (who HAS to die, if he isn't somehow already) are questioning Ben hardcore.

I'm also SO happy that Juliet actually did end up betraying the others and becoming one of us/ a good guy. I've really liked her for a long time now, and now I finally have a reason to!! :lol

That's all for now.

[jmkratt]

Great episode.

I don't think Locke is going to be rescued. He deliberately walked away when Jack was on the phone - but who knows.

I was hoping we would be able to read in detail what was on the newspaper, but oh well.

I also thought Kate would be fucked when they got rescued, but guess not. Driving a Volvo...interesting. She did look pretty damn hot though.

Did Jack notice his ex was pregnant?

If Rousseau made the tape 3 Days before she had Alex, then Alex was born on the island, but was Rousseau pregnant when she got to the island? And if not, how's she still alive?

Heads still spinning trying to figure that episode out, will have to re-watch tonight.

9 Months?....:lorraine :thumbsdow

[tdowe99]

Rousseau was pregnant before she arrived on The Island.

[zigbaldi]

I don't see why Charlie didn't run through the door and close it from the other side.

No kidding. Or just wait till the room filled up, get a deep breath of air, and swim out the hole.

[41ravens]

i think charlie ultimately knew he had to die. he's seen enough of desmond's flashes to know that they're legit, so he felt that the only way claire and aaron would get off the island is if he were to die.

i also think the person in the casket is someone we haven't met yet. somewhat based on the screencaps and somewhat based on a hunch.

[junior94]

Oooh boy, where to begin...

Oh, well, first things first. YOU BASTARDS!!! YOU KILLED CHARLIE!!!!!!!!! :violent :lorraine

Goddamnit. :( The one character I relate the most to, and you offed him. Sonsabitches. And I'd kinda guessed it would happen shortl before I started watching the whole thing, because at one point when my mom was watching it in real time (while I was waiting for it to finish so I could begin DLing) I walked past her into the kitchen to get something to eat and she was trying to clean up a bunch of tears. I took one look at her and I yelled "awww man!!" because I knew she almost certainly would've been reacting to Charlie's death. But brother if ya had to go, just a great all around couple of sequences down in that place. Being smartass and annoying that girl. "Is that Ben? Oh it's Charlie... tell him I said hi!" :lol

However for those asking why didn't Charlie just bust thru the glass, or grab the diving equipment, etc etc, I just skimmed a couple things so I'm not sure if anyone full brought this up, but my mom in fact asked me the same thing. Best answer I could muster up is, if Charlie believed that strongly in Des's visions, well he knew ultimately whatever twists and turns exactly got him there, the final answer would be doing the switch thing and then drowning, and THATS what equaled getting Claire & Aaron on the helicopter. So I believe that he could've had an easy-as-pie opportunity of surviiving staring him right in the face, and he still would've locked himself in. But now we also know that Mikhail definitely seems to have something otherworldy going on with himself. I mean yea okay the sonic barrier was one thing, saying "Lucky they weren't set to a lethal level", but shit in this case the dude had a harpoon shot straight thru his fucking heart, no way he walks away from that in "natural" circumstances.

Rest In Peace... Charlie Pace. Your playing days have just begun ;)

So the only real dissapointment I have with the show if you could even really call it that, is the buildup of the major deaths. We were told 5, yes? Okay obviously Charlie is the biggest one. Tom Friendly, yea he's been a quasi-steady fixture this season, but I'm not really sure we'd consider him a "major" death. And while I absolutely hated the one particular Other that Hurley just plowed over with the van, no way in hell is he considered one. Don't know about anyone else, but I guessed a good ways before the reveal about Sayid, Jin & Bernard not actually being killed. But damn if I didn't cheer out loud on just about every one of those hits on the others. lol And shit man, Sawyer with two of his best lines in the entire series coming within just like 3 episodes of each other. First it was "Sawyer's my name too", and now last night in reply to Hurley's 'He said he surrendered' - "I didn't believe him..." BAM!! Awesome :D

There's one other little detail that I do't think anyone else has picked up on. Nothing ultimately important, in fact going by the logic of it, I kinda wonder if it wasn't more like a little joke from the producers. That is, in that final "future" scene Jack makes reference to how they were all given basically lifetime free passes for airfare.
Umm... do you honestly think that ANY of those survivors would EVER come anywhere within about 5 miles of another Oceanic Flight for as long as they fucking live??? :p Hell, it'd be common enough for some plane crash survivors to never being able to take another single flight on ANY airline ever again, much less the same damn one on which they crashed to begin with :lol

[junior94]

Oh almost forgot... (or, well I guess I did :p ) as far as the identity of the person for whom the funeral was held..... Ya know, it's entirely possible that it's someone that we've still not even met at all yet. And that had occurred to me even before that philosopher's name was posted up.

Another thing is already lots of people are taking it for granted that we now know that Sawyer will never die, because he's shacked up with Kate in the future. Now by that little snippet of dialogue that's clearly the implication, but I actually don't think it would be him AT ALL, if for no other reason than that's the waaaaaay to easy and obvious answer.

[mr.MikeD]

i wonder if the 'he' who will wonder where kate is could be a probation officer or the like, she is a criminal, and that rescue would be pretty high profile, there's no way she wouldn't be noticed.

[snapmcd]

Oooh boy, where to begin...

Umm... do you honestly think that ANY of those survivors would EVER come anywhere within about 5 miles of another Oceanic Flight for as long as they fucking live??? :p Hell, it'd be common enough for some plane crash survivors to never being able to take another single flight on ANY airline ever again, much less the same damn one on which they crashed to begin with :lol

Of course not, except that Jack said he took all those flights hoping that another would crash.

Has anyone checked oceanic.com lately? It seems like at one point that website indicated they either not flying or were out of business altogether.

[dmbman32]

Did anyone else love the "Jack as John Rambo" moment when he was on the walkie talkie with Tom? That was the closest "LOST" would ever get to a Rambo film. I wish the conversation would've gone like this:

JACK:..........Tom.........

(LIGHTNING STRIKES OUT OF NOWHERE)

(Close-up of Jack's hand squeezing the walkie as hard as possible)

JACK:........I'm comin' to get YOU!!

:lol :lol

[snapmcd]

Yep...

oceanic-air.com

Michael Orteig, President of Oceanic Airlines, released this statement: "After 25 years of service, we are forced to close our doors. Due to financial difficulties in the wake of the Flight 815 tragedy, we are no longer able to sustain service. We are deeply sorry that we can no longer serve our loyal customers, and apologize for any inconvenience our decision will cause."

They must have had a change of heart.

[JimiThang1]

Yep...

oceanic-air.com

Michael Orteig, President of Oceanic Airlines, released this statement: "After 25 years of service, we are forced to close our doors. Due to financial difficulties in the wake of the Flight 815 tragedy, we are no longer able to sustain service. We are deeply sorry that we can no longer serve our loyal customers, and apologize for any inconvenience our decision will cause."

They must have had a change of heart.
Or corporate buyouts and rebranding...

[41ravens]

so where does the story go from here? are we in the present time now and have flashbacks that lead up to jack and kate's conversation at the airport? and then do they go back to the island and the rest of the series is in present time? or do we go back to where they left off on the island and get flash-forwards for everyone? i can't decide which i'd like more.

[BrahmaBull]

Yep...

oceanic-air.com

Michael Orteig, President of Oceanic Airlines, released this statement: "After 25 years of service, we are forced to close our doors. Due to financial difficulties in the wake of the Flight 815 tragedy, we are no longer able to sustain service. We are deeply sorry that we can no longer serve our loyal customers, and apologize for any inconvenience our decision will cause."

They must have had a change of heart.

does anyone see the embedded text behind this?:

If anyone should find this message, please get word I'm alive and stranded on an island somewhere in the South Pacific. Please send help soon. Things are bad. And they're getting worse...


I survived a horrific plane crash and am stranded on an island somewhere Northeast of Australia and Southwest of Hawaii. In the event that I am never found, please forward


just click around the msg from the owner or whatever and it appears.

[SteelerMan]

A few thoughts...

1. Are we really 100% sure Jack's dad is dead? I didn't think they ever found the body. He did hear his dad's voice on the intercom when he was being held prisoner by the others. You could say it was just in Jack's head, but maybe it was really him. It's possible that he's still alive, which would make Jack's reference to him in the hospital make sense.

2. We can't assume Kate was referring to Sawyer when she said "he's expecting me". Remember, we don't know how far in the future this is. For all we know, Sawyer could've screwed over Kate when they got back home, and it could be Sawyer's funeral. Without knowing how far in the future it is or any of the events that take place between the last scene on the island and the scene from the future, there's really no way to even make an educated guess as to whose funeral it was.

3. I think Walt was the smoke monster, who is possibly Jacob.

4. Why isn't Kate in prison?

[Altima22]

3. I think Walt was the smoke monster, who is possibly Jacob.



I hope so. I don't ever want to see him or Michael again.

[JimiThang1]

I hope so. I don't ever want to see him or Michael again.
That's not going to happen...we'll see both of them again next season...book it.

[Altima22]

That's not going to happen...we'll see both of them again next season...book it.

Oh, the torture! I wouldn't be surprised since he just saw Walt. I was hoping to be spared of them until like the series finale :p

[Altima22]

WAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLLLLLLTTTTTTTTTTTTT!

(shoot me.)

[wolfdisney]

I am in total agreement.............
hey Tony how did your lost party go?
Sorry I couldnt make it too much going on this week to get it done


Amazing episode, love charlies line "...its charlie pace tell him hi" LOL :lol
And so glad when sayid, and them were still alive, and Hurley drove up in the VW!!!!
Ok so Ben in the casket? hmmm i thought this at first but why would jack cry over him? cant be locked because i'd expect someone to show up for him.....obviously something major happened between getting rescued and the future?

[wolfdisney]

I really don't know where the next three seasons are going..How far is this flashback, and does this mean the show is not longer on the island, or are they going to end up killing whoever Noami's people are and Penny will eventually find them and take them off...I got plenty of fucking time to think about it I guess..

omg i was totally just thinking the same thing as to how they are going to do 3 more seasons off the island, thats prolly what will happen that Ben was right and Namoi's people will try to kill them, they fight back and kill her people ,some losties casualties along the way for next season and that penny and her crew will find them and rescue them for real at the end of season 5 and season 6 (as toups and i were just talking about) will be crazy shit that happens to the rest after the rescue.... :freak

[jguinan101]

well what an awsome 2 hours of tv. where do you even begin. i was very upset with charley's death scene, i mean i guess he was just trying to make des' vision come true so everyone would be rescued but honestly as long as it took that room to fill up they could have not even closed that door and still had time to put on scuba gear and get the hell out of there. i just think it could have been set up somewhat different but i guess maybe they were trying to show that he was willing to accept his death, who knows. its crazy how emotionally involved we are in this show now, for somer reason charleys scene didn't upset me that much, but i was almost crying when hurley came to the rescue and we found out everyone was ok, especiall during jack and hugo's walkie conversation and he said they are all ok, to see how relieved jack, sun, and rose were got me all chocked up. awsome finale imo gave us plenty of what we were wanting and some resolutions but now we don't even have any clue how or where the next season will begin, great writing, to borrow from some others....


BOOM!!! LOST!!!

[junior94]

Did anyone else love the "Jack as John Rambo" moment when he was on the walkie talkie with Tom? That was the closest "LOST" would ever get to a Rambo film. I wish the conversation would've gone like this:

JACK:..........Tom.........

(LIGHTNING STRIKES OUT OF NOWHERE)

(Close-up of Jack's hand squeezing the walkie as hard as possible)

JACK:........I'm comin' to get YOU!!

:lol :lol

This reminds me of another great line from last night.

ROSE: Jack, if you give me 'live together or die alone' again, I'm gonna punch you in the face...

:D

so where does the story go from here? are we in the present time now and have flashbacks that lead up to jack and kate's conversation at the airport? and then do they go back to the island and the rest of the series is in present time? or do we go back to where they left off on the island and get flash-forwards for everyone? i can't decide which i'd like more.

Well now that I remember, in all the promo interviews and whatnot for the finale there was some of reference to "the very structure of how we know the flashbacks to be up until this point in the series may be in serious doubt now", so yea gee maybe we'll ONLY have flash forwards in final three seasons now :rolleyes :eek

That's not going to happen...we'll see both of them again next season...book it.

Yea it's been said a million times - Michael & Walt return to the storytelling fold in some fashion in s4.

[snapmcd]

A few thoughts..

4. Why isn't Kate in prison?

Excellent point. It seems unlikely that she was magically granted clemency. Perhaps the "he's waiting for me" is a parole officer.

[Talula62]

Yeah, the Kate thing is a big question mark.

I also think Charlie assumed that it wasn't just unjamming the signal that he had to do, but that he had to die to get everyone rescued.

[ant_marching41]

This reminds me of another great line from last night.

ROSE: Jack, if you give me 'live together or die alone' again, I'm gonna punch you in the face...



Damn you beat me to it. :lol Here's another good one:


Rose: I wanna hear you say it again.
Bernard: ... I am a dentist, not Rambo.
Rose: And don't you forget it.


I love Rose and Bernard! :D


Hurley: So Rose's husbands white... didn't see that one comming.

[SteelerMan]

Excellent point. It seems unlikely that she was magically granted clemency. Perhaps the "he's waiting for me" is a parole officer.

:thumbsup

Hadn't thought about that. Definitely a possibility.

[GinaNMU]

Damn you beat me to it. :lol Here's another good one:


Rose: I wanna hear you say it again.
Bernard: ... I am a dentist, not Rambo.
Rose: And don't you forget it.


I love Rose and Bernard! :D




:lol Yeah I thought that was great, too. That, and "Hey it's Charlie! Tell Ben I said hi!!"

So funny.

[junior94]

Also, you know how much LOST loves their anagrams, well if anyone else picked up on the fact that the name of the funeral parlor, "Hoffs/Drawler" is an anagram for Flash Forward ;)

[ant_marching41]

:lol Yeah I thought that was great, too. That, and "Hey it's Charlie! Tell Ben I said hi!!"

So funny.

*Charlie singing in a falsetto*
Blonde Girl: I thought I told you to shut up!
Charlie: You know when you've got a song stuck in your head, and you just can't get it out? I almost got it, just needs a bridge.
*BAM*

:lol

[ant_marching41]

Also, you know how much LOST loves their anagrams, well if anyone else picked up on the fact that the name of the funeral parlor, "Hoffs/Drawler" is an anagram for Flash Forward ;)
I did beat you to that. I posted that yesterday :D

[Altima22]

Also, you know how much LOST loves their anagrams, well if anyone else picked up on the fact that the name of the funeral parlor, "Hoffs/Drawler" is an anagram for Flash Forward ;)

You people are crazy.

[ant_marching41]

A few thoughts...

3. I think Walt was the smoke monster, who is possibly Jacob.

4. Why isn't Kate in prison?

Excellent point. It seems unlikely that she was magically granted clemency. Perhaps the "he's waiting for me" is a parole officer.


Walt is not the smoke monster. Walt is "special" and it has been known since season 1 that he has had powers. i believe that is why the Others wanted him in the first palce, so they could perform tests on him and perhaps gain a better understanding of his powers. I believe when Shannon and Sayid saw Walt in season 2, Walt was using his powers to communicate with them, but could not use them correctly yet. This would be why he was talking backwards. Last night, after a month or so in "island time," Walt has been able to use his powers fully to communicate with Locke.

Now, concerning the last scene, Kate actually says "I better go, he's gonna be wondering where I am." Slight difference in words, but a bigger difference in context. That being said, I believe Kate was not referring to a parole officer, but her man at home.

It may be possible that if they learned that Kate had died in the Flight 815 crash, the one that Naomi revealed to the losties, that they might have thrown her case out the window, since they "found the bodies." This however may be disputable now, since we no longer know Naomi's true purpose of gaining radio contact.

I don't know how Kate's case would be handled, but i guess it could be possible that they granted her clemency. Who knows though.

[snapmcd]

I cannot take credit for this idea, and it seems really implausible, but I liked it anyway. The mother and child that Jack saved in the car accident was Claire and Aaron.

[Talula62]

Walt is not the smoke monster. Walt is "special" and it has been known since season 1 that he has had powers. i believe that is why the Others wanted him in the first palce, so they could perform tests on him and perhaps gain a better understanding of his powers. I believe when Shannon and Sayid saw Walt in season 2, Walt was using his powers to communicate with them, but could not use them correctly yet. This would be why he was talking backwards. Last night, after a month or so in "island time," Walt has been able to use his powers fully to communicate with Locke.
Except that D&C have either very strongly implied or simply stated outright that the people wandering around on that island are manifestations of Smokezilla. Eko's brother, Ben's mom, Walt, Jack's dad, Hurley's friend from the looney bin... and we heard weird Smokezilla-like noises before Walt appeared. Walt is not Smokezilla, but Smokezilla can be Walt.

I cannot take credit for this idea, and it seems really implausible, but I liked it anyway. The mother and child that Jack saved in the car accident was Claire and Aaron.
The boy was 8 years old though, which seems too old to be Aaron.

[Heavy As Stone]

I still say that something is severely wrong with the whole Naomi situation. We know that she is a liar now, because didn't she say that she was sent by Penny? Or was affiliated to her somehow... which has been proven false. That, in my eyes, brings everything she has said into question. Why would she tell them that they found the wreckage and all the bodies? Maybe that was another lie.

I'm guessing that these people on the boat really are 'bad guys' somehow, and that Ben was telling the truth. Maybe he really was trying to protect everyone by jamming the transmissions. Watch - they come to the island and start killing people, or take them all to some weird prision, or something. Maybe it is Dharma trying to take back the island, and then our losties become the new hostiles/others trying to fight them off. Ooh the possibilities. But anyway, I'm betting that there is a LOT more story to be told on the island before we get to last nights flashforward. Something has to cause Jack to go off the deep end. We saw in the episode last night that Jack FREAKED OUT when a decision of his caused his people to die. Thats what I think will happen. He makes a decision that causes lots of people to die.

[WHO DEY!!!]

i don't think it's locke's funeral. when all is said and done, i don't think locke's ever going to leave the island. he's either going to die or stay there forever.


I think its Sawyer!

[kimberdmb41]

I cannot take credit for this idea, and it seems really implausible, but I liked it anyway. The mother and child that Jack saved in the car accident was Claire and Aaron.
:lol Now where oh where would you get an idea like that?? :lol

[kimberdmb41]

I think its Sawyer!As do I.

[jmkratt]

Except that D&C have either very strongly implied or simply stated outright that the people wandering around on that island are manifestations of Smokezilla. Eko's brother, Ben's mom, Walt, Jack's dad, Hurley's friend from the looney bin... and we heard weird Smokezilla-like noises before Walt appeared. Walt is not Smokezilla, but Smokezilla can be Walt.



Yeah, they mentioned that on the "Answers" show...

[ant_marching41]

Except that D&C have either very strongly implied or simply stated outright that the people wandering around on that island are manifestations of Smokezilla. Eko's brother, Ben's mom, Walt, Jack's dad, Hurley's friend from the looney bin... and we heard weird Smokezilla-like noises before Walt appeared. Walt is not Smokezilla, but Smokezilla can be Walt.

I'm aware of that, but something wants me to believe that thats not the whole story. At least for Walt. I just watched the finale again, and I don't recall hearing noises while Locke was pointing the gun at himself. Walt and Locke are both special, and have had a significant bond with eachother since they first landed on the island, and I really wanna believe that Walt is helping John find his purpose.

I loved Locke's smile after Walt says "Cause you've got work to do."

[41ravens]

I cannot take credit for this idea, and it seems really implausible, but I liked it anyway. The mother and child that Jack saved in the car accident was Claire and Aaron.

i thought about that right when it happened. but i don't think it could work. not cause of the age thing, cause we don't know how far in the future the flash-forward was, but because of the circumstances. remember, jack and claire are related, and you know damn well that's going to come out sooner or later. i think if the flash-forward was indeed 8 years in the future, jack and claire would've found out by then and jack's reaction to the accident would've been a little more serious, i think. but you're not the only one who thought that.

another theory i've heard is that it's juliet's sister and her son.

[junior94]

It may be possible that if they learned that Kate had died in the Flight 815 crash, the one that Naomi revealed to the losties, that they might have thrown her case out the window, since they "found the bodies." This however may be disputable now, since we no longer know Naomi's true purpose of gaining radio contact.


Oh how quickly we all forget :D For those now practically convinced that Naomi was lying about the plane wreckage and bodies being found because of whatever else shady going on with her in light of what Ben tried to warn Jack about... However much she may be lying about, she appears to be telling the truth about the 815 wreckage -- remember in "The Brig" Locke's pappy also made the same admission to Sawyer, that he'd seen the news report as well. ;) So that seems to be a geniuine reality.

[ant_marching41]

Oh how quickly we all forget :D For those now practically convinced that Naomi was lying about the plane wreckage and bodies being found because of whatever else shady going on with her in light of what Ben tried to warn Jack about... However much she may be lying about, she appears to be telling the truth about the 815 wreckage -- remember in "The Brig" Locke's pappy also made the same admission to Sawyer, that he'd seen the news report as well. ;) So that seems to be a geniuine reality.
Thanks for that :thumbsup

[junior94]

Also while I was just starting to watch the first hour in the wee small hours ofthe morning today, especiallywhen they showed her in the hospital bed but didnt make it a real clear shot, I started thinking that the "big reveal" in Jack's past was that we'd already have known the woman from this accident in some capacity, that we'd be shocked who it was.

But hmm.. I hadn't thought about this Claire/Aaron possibility ... not to sure about that. I mean if they were, wouldn't there have been some reference in the dialogue about it, you think? :shrug

[WHO DEY!!!]

Great episode.

I don't think Locke is going to be rescued. He deliberately walked away when Jack was on the phone - but who knows.

I was hoping we would be able to read in detail what was on the newspaper, but oh well.

I also thought Kate would be fucked when they got rescued, but guess not. Driving a Volvo...interesting. She did look pretty damn hot though.

Did Jack notice his ex was pregnant?

If Rousseau made the tape 3 Days before she had Alex, then Alex was born on the island, but was Rousseau pregnant when she got to the island? And if not, how's she still alive?

Heads still spinning trying to figure that episode out, will have to re-watch tonight.

9 Months?....:lorraine :thumbsdow


I think she is pregnant in real life b/c she is prego on Boston Legal too.

[ant_marching41]

Also while I was just starting to watch the first hour in the wee small hours ofthe morning today, especiallywhen they showed her in the hospital bed but didnt make it a real clear shot, I started thinking that the "big reveal" in Jack's past was that we'd already have known the woman from this accident in some capacity, that we'd be shocked who it was.

But hmm.. I hadn't thought about this Claire/Aaron possibility ... not to sure about that. I mean if they were, wouldn't there have been some reference in the dialogue about it, you think? :shrug

Also, when Jack and Kate met at the airport, Kate made no mention of the woman. She didn't say "so I saw you rescued Claire. Good for you." If it was Claire, her name would have been on the news by the time of the meeting, and its most likely that Kate would have heard/read about it.

[junior94]

Speaking of Locke that reminds me... I'm really kind of hoping his attempt to sabotage the satellite phone was more out of him somehow also being aware of the specific danger that Ben was freaked out about as well, that in fact making that call would put all the Losties in grave danger, and so Locke was doing that to protect everyone.

Becuse frankly if Locke had no clue about all that shit, then this is becoming a very tired notion, ya know if it was just another example in the long line of things like nuking the submarine, knocking Sayid out when triangulating the signal during season 1, etc etc, then I have to say I'd be rather dissapointed by that action. :shrug
Anyone with me on this?

[ant_marching41]

Speaking of Locke that reminds me... I'm really kind of hoping his attempt to sabotage the satellite phone was more out of him somehow also being aware of the specific danger that Ben was freaked out about as well, that in fact making that call would put all the Losties in grave danger, and so Locke was doing that to protect everyone.

Becuse frankly if Locke had no clue about all that shit, then this is becoming a very tired notion, ya know if it was just another example in the long line of things like nuking the submarine, knocking Sayid out when triangulating the signal during season 1, etc etc, then I have to say I'd be rather dissapointed by that action. :shrug
Anyone with me on this?

I hear ya on that, but for right now, I think Locke was acting on pure faith again, and not on protecting the losties.

[JTRocks]

After initially not liking this finale, I like the new direction that the show might be taking here. I could not stop thinking about the episode all day today. I couldnt even pay attention in class because of it

I dont think whoever Jack saved in the car wreck is gonna play any significance to the story. I think whoever died in that obituary reminded Jack of the island or possibly the fact that he cannot get back to the island, and then when the car crashed and Jack rescued the woman and her boy, it reminded him of how good it felt to be a leader and a savior to people. hence why he wanted to perform the surgery as well. Leaving the island left a serious void in Jack's life that he can no longer fill.

Some other thoughts

Did Las Vegas (The show on NBC) get cancelled, seeing as there are 2 people from that show on Lost now ?(Naomi & the doctor in Jack's flashback)

Sayid is a badass and Its like the writers are totally holding his character back

What is the deal with this Mikhail guy? There better be a legit explanation for why this guy just wont die

[MVDMB]

You know, Ben would get much much further if he sat down with Jack, Kate, whoever, and told them everything, instead of being vague and using force on people that have no idea what is going on to them.

For some reason, I sympathize with Ben, even though I think he can be a complete idiot at times.

[SteelerMan]

Well, Naomi is most likely dead, and the doctor character was only in the flash forward scene. It is interesting that they had two actors from Las Vegas guest on the same episode. I noticed that too.

[Talula62]

I'm aware of that, but something wants me to believe that thats not the whole story. At least for Walt. I just watched the finale again, and I don't recall hearing noises while Locke was pointing the gun at himself.Yeah, it definitely doesn't have to be the same story for Walt since he isn't dead and the other people that showed up on the island were. The noises... I'd have to listen again, but I was spoiled on Walt's appearance so I listened specifically for whispers and other Smoke-related signs in that scene and I heard them. Especially when the panned out to show him from farther out, Walt was in the corner of the screen looking down at him... I think it was then that I heard them. I've heard some other people say they heard it too.

However much she may be lying about, she appears to be telling the truth about the 815 wreckage -- remember in "The Brig" Locke's pappy also made the same admission to Sawyer, that he'd seen the news report as well. ;) So that seems to be a geniuine reality.But you're assuming that seeing it on the news = truth. Dharma could have manufactured that news story, been in control of the search and rescue, sent things down into the ocean to look for bodies/wreckage... right?

Sounds far fetched, but really, finding all their bodies is no less far fetched because it sort of implies a time loop/time travel thing, right?

Anyone with me on this?I don't think he's "aware" of everything but I don't think he's just blindly doing random things to prevent people from leaving the island either. Like, he knows they're not supposed to make that call but he doesn't know why, either the time isn't right, they're supposed to be defending the island, or maybe he still thinks that they're never supposed to leave. He probably can't make sense of everything yet.

[ant_marching41]

You know, Ben would get much much further if he sat down with Jack, Kate, whoever, and told them everything, instead of being vague and using force on people that have no idea what is going on to them.

For some reason, I sympathize with Ben, even though I think he can be a complete idiot at times.
Well, you do have to look at it from the writers' perspective.

[Altima22]

Sayid is a badass and Its like the writers are totally holding his character back


My biggest problem with the show right now is that there isn't enough Sayid. Look what the guy did last night!

[Route_2]

The newspaper Jack gets on the airplane is an LA Times from 4/6/07, so it takes place in the present.

[ant_marching41]

The newspaper Jack gets on the airplane is an LA Times from 4/6/07, so it takes place in the present.
Cool, I was sure someone would reveal the date from the newspaper sooner or later. I was thinking earlier that maybe it could have been May 23rd, 2007, just to give the audience a creepy feeling in their stomachs.

Ok so heres my predicion.

As of last night, its December 2004 on the lsland (landed in Sept and 90+ days have passed.) They will get rescued in the next 2-4 months, so that brings them to around March 2005. Two years pass and its April 2007, where we saw Jack last night.

[GinaNMU]

The newspaper Jack gets on the airplane is an LA Times from 4/6/07, so it takes place in the present.

Hmmm...so I'm guessing not a long time after they get rescued? Maybe a couple years, right?

b/c it's the end of 2004 on the island right now we're lead to believe?

My first impression was that it was maybe 4-5 years down the road. Not too long after, but not that short of time either.

[JimiThang1]

Alison you'll like this...Kristin breaking down sobbing interviewing Dom:

http://www.eonline.com/gossip/kristin/index.jsp

[tedies]

My biggest problem with the show right now is that there isn't enough Sayid. Look what the guy did last night!
yeah he was almost non existent in the first half of the season and only one flashback is just ludicrous for a great character

[ryguy178]

Newspaper clipping:

http://losteastereggs.blogspot.com/2007/05/newspaper-through-looking-glass.html

And people are speculating it is another philosopher name because they can make out the 'ntham' at the top:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremy_Bentham
It looks like JO to me. The body of "Jo........natham"

But were we supposed to see that? Should we give them that much credit?

[Altima22]

yeah he was almost non existent in the first half of the season and only one flashback is just ludicrous for a great character

:thumbsup :thumbsup

[ryguy178]

I cannot take credit for this idea, and it seems really implausible, but I liked it anyway. The mother and child that Jack saved in the car accident was Claire and Aaron.
didn't we see the mother that he saved?

[newscane]

does anyone see the embedded text behind this?:

If anyone should find this message, please get word I'm alive and stranded on an island somewhere in the South Pacific. Please send help soon. Things are bad. And they're getting worse...


I survived a horrific plane crash and am stranded on an island somewhere Northeast of Australia and Southwest of Hawaii. In the event that I am never found, please forward


just click around the msg from the owner or whatever and it appears.
I was looking at that again tonight... it's actually been up for a while.

[junior94]

didn't we see the mother that he saved?

I believe this was the best look we got at her in the whole finale:

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b160/junior94/woman.jpg


Completely off topic I know, but I got something from the s2 premiere that's kinda bugging me now. I'm listening to Lindelof's & Cuse's commentary for it on the DVD, and to hear Lindelof tell it, he simply thought "it'd be cool" if we had the dialogue that Walt spoke when he appeared mysteriously to Shannon be played backwards.

If that's indeed the case I've got a MAJOR problem with that. Now, having him say what he did is one thing, and I believe there was a sound reason for that within the mythology of the show. But if they had it be backwards solely for the sake of itself because it would just seem cool, that's extremely weak, because obviously that's a very unique thing that would raise plenty of questions (as it did all thru s2) but there was no real reason for it? :thumbsdow I mean unless I misunderstood him, and I sure as hell hope I did, but it's what it sounded like to me.

Though back to this finale, and alsp speaking of Walt-related sounds, I can't recall if it was on here or not but I'd seen people suggesting they'd heard the typical precursor sounds of Smokezilla when Walt first appeared one of the edge of the ditch over Locke. I listened very close, and I feel pretty confident it's not that, but it IS the old familiar omnipresent whispers
that we used to hear quite a bit in s1 & 2 of course whenever the Others were concerned. Only for just a couple quick seconds, but there ya go.
And finally I got a kick out of the boyish smile that Locke sported right after Walt told him he had work to do, because it was like right there at perhaps his darkest moment, it was like he had his faith in all things island-ish completely 100% restored in the span of about three seconds :D

[jguinan101]

yeah great over all episode just look at how much it satisfied us all while still raising so many questions. plus all the great quotes, im so sad for claire, des, and hurley (charleys best buds on the island) i loved it when he said tell ben i said hi that was great, plus like others have said a couple great moments for rose, "jack if you say live together die alone one more time im gonna punch you" "say it again" "i am not rambo i'm a dentist" and how can we forget hurley "yeah i saved them all there right here with me they're all ok" so anyway are we going to go ahead and say the coffin is someone we don't know because of the newspaper clipping?

[Julia Roberts]

My theory:

Ben is the funeral subject. Neither a friend or family to Jack, Kate seems put off by whoever it is. Ben has a history of health issues and figures to be a big player next season.


Also, big thumbs up to the new flash forward look, instead of the flashbacks. I haven't anticipated a new episode of Lost this much in quite some time.

[malarks26]

My theory:

Ben is the funeral subject. Neither a friend or family to Jack, Kate seems put off by whoever it is. Ben has a history of health issues and figures to be a big player next season.


Also, big thumbs up to the new flash forward look, instead of the flashbacks. I haven't anticipated a new episode of Lost this much in quite some time.

I was totally caught off guard by the flash forward last night until the very end! What a great season finale last night. I can't wait for next season!

[ant_marching41]

The name in from the newspaper clipping is definitely Jeremy Bentham. I haven't read much on the philosopher with the same name, but I was told that Jeremy Bentham experimented with observing people who didn't know they were being observed.

Sound familiar???

[malarks26]

The name in from the newspaper clipping is definitely Jeremy Bentham. I haven't read much on the philosopher with the same name, but I was told that Jeremy Bentham experimented with observing people who didn't know they were being observed.

Sound familiar???

I just got the chills! :eek

[zigbaldi]

That's not going to happen...we'll see both of them again next season...book it.

thats awesome. Who wouldn't want Walt to come back? He is a total Freak!

[ant_marching41]

I just got the chills! :eek
:eek <-- Me when I was told that.

[zigbaldi]

Oh how quickly we all forget :D For those now practically convinced that Naomi was lying about the plane wreckage and bodies being found because of whatever else shady going on with her in light of what Ben tried to warn Jack about... However much she may be lying about, she appears to be telling the truth about the 815 wreckage -- remember in "The Brig" Locke's pappy also made the same admission to Sawyer, that he'd seen the news report as well. ;) So that seems to be a geniuine reality.

And we saw Mikhal, Ben, and Juliet watching it on TV about 5 minutes after the crash. How the hell would the News Channel find out that quick unless someone was covering up what really happened? Someone is behind it.

[junior94]

The name in from the newspaper clipping is definitely Jeremy Bentham. I haven't read much on the philosopher with the same name, but I was told that Jeremy Bentham experimented with observing people who didn't know they were being observed.

Sound familiar???

I just got the chills! :eek

Umm no offense and not trying to sound like I'm one-upping you or anything, but wasn't that already laid out pretty much in detail like 2 pages back?

[zigbaldi]

You know, Ben would get much much further if he sat down with Jack, Kate, whoever, and told them everything, instead of being vague and using force on people that have no idea what is going on to them.

For some reason, I sympathize with Ben, even though I think he can be a complete idiot at times.

You would think he'd do that wouldn't you. :lol

I have a feeling Ben was telling the truth about Naomi, but of course by this time there wasn't a shot in hell Jack would listen, he'd been lied to so much.

Remember the end of S2 on the Dock when Ben said that the Others are the good guys? I have a feeling that is the truth and there really are another more dangerous group thats trying to find the Island, and probably lots of the Losties die because of it, which is why Jack is such a mess.

[41ravens]

It looks like JO to me. The body of "Jo........natham"

But were we supposed to see that? Should we give them that much credit?

at this point in the series, i think we can. they know how psycho most of us are, so they should know that if they show just enough of the paper that someone's going to blow the image up and try and read it. and if it is jeremy bentham, which it appears it may be, it goes along with the theme of using philosopher's names. but in that same light, if they ever introduce a character named "jeremy bentham", we all know that he's going to die and for some reason it's going to upset jack.

[ant_marching41]

Umm no offense and not trying to sound like I'm one-upping you or anything, but wasn't that already laid out pretty much in detail like 2 pages back?
I was aware that it was mentioned before, but it was brought up again, so I directed it to those who weren't aware of it already.

[zigbaldi]

I haven't anticipated a new episode of Lost this much in quite some time.

Probably not since the S1 Finale. Walt being taken and them blowing the Hatch open.

[joepsu0985]

That was by far the best two hours of any TV show I have ever watched. Im still amazed. Today at work, we were sitting there just talking and talking about it.

[junior94]

I was aware that it was mentioned before, but it was brought up again, so I directed it to those who weren't aware of it already.

Gotcha, no worries :)

[ant_marching41]

Gotcha, no worries :)
:D Yep.

[Talula62]

It looks like JO to me. The body of "Jo........natham"

But were we supposed to see that? Should we give them that much credit?I think we definitely should. They know we dissect every detail. I mean, why else would they put in crazy nanosecond-long shots of an otherwise invisible man, ya know?


Though back to this finale, and alsp speaking of Walt-related sounds, I can't recall if it was on here or not but I'd seen people suggesting they'd heard the typical precursor sounds of Smokezilla when Walt first appeared one of the edge of the ditch over Locke. I listened very close, and I feel pretty confident it's not that, but it IS the old familiar omnipresent whispers
that we used to hear quite a bit in s1 & 2 of course whenever the Others were concerned. Only for just a couple quick seconds, but there ya go.Yeah, I didn't mean the mechanical sounds, just the whisper type sounds. Maybe sometime soon someone will have figured out what the whispers said there and post it on the "whispers" webpage or whatever it is.

The name in from the newspaper clipping is definitely Jeremy Bentham. I haven't read much on the philosopher with the same name, but I was told that Jeremy Bentham experimented with observing people who didn't know they were being observed.

Sound familiar???
Yeah, there are links to the wikipedias of him and "Panopticon" a couple pages back. Y'all should wiki them both if you haven't already - it's wild.

[junior94]

Yeah, I didn't mean the mechanical sounds, just the whisper type sounds. Maybe sometime soon someone will have figured out what the whispers said there and post it on the "whispers" webpage or whatever it is.


Well Alli I think they had a section of that on that DarkUFO blog page, right? A whole bunch of them in fact, going back awhile now.
errrr wait, now I say that, I think the link for that might've been on the Fuselage boards. Yea it definitely was, I first saw it after the Jacob meeting when they had a thread decided specifically to all of that, I was going thru it that night and saw in someone's sig a bunch of links to these different audio archives they've set up.

[dmb@uvm]

Also, you know how much LOST loves their anagrams, well if anyone else picked up on the fact that the name of the funeral parlor, "Hoffs/Drawler" is an anagram for Flash Forward ;)

Everyone keeps saying this. Is there something I am missing here? Where is the 'e' at? Where is the second 'a' coming from? :confused

[Roddy9]

A few episodes ago when the smoke monster was stopped by the fence as it moved away towards the jungle it breaks off into two parts. Are there two smoke monsters? Maybe one makes the mechanical noise and the other uses the whispers. Just a thought, Good and Evil.

[UNLTrpt]

Everyone keeps saying this. Is there something I am missing here? Where is the 'e' at? Where is the second 'a' coming from? :confused

Its because he misspelled it.

Hoffs/Drawlar

http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Image:3x22_hoff_drawlar_anagram.jpg

[dmb@uvm]

Its because he misspelled it.

Hoffs/Drawlar

http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Image:3x22_hoff_drawlar_anagram.jpg

Ah well there we go. Thanks :)

[junior94]

Its because he misspelled it.

Hoffs/Drawlar

http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Image:3x22_hoff_drawlar_anagram.jpg

Dag nabbit! Whooopsie :o

[snapmcd]

:lol Now where oh where would you get an idea like that?? :lol

Hey--I said I couldn't take credit!!:p

[dh4645]

I don't see why Charlie didn't run through the door and close it from the other side.

i know, i thought the same thing.
but desmond said he had to die for everyone to get rescued, so he did it for everyone

[dh4645]

We didn't see the flashforward happening either. Who knows what the next 3 seasons will bring.

i figured either they made a mistake or jack's flash was in the future...when he used his razr phone outside the funeral home. so i wasn't too shocked at the end.

who was he calling anyway?

[dh4645]

Bound and gagged, Sayid can kill a man without breaking a sweat. Somebody get me a glass of water.

Sayid has officially replaced Mr. Sark. For those of you who understand the significance of that.

dude, i know, that whole scene was the best of the show.

hurley with the van .... to sawyer shooting that dude.

[GinaNMU]

dude, i know, that whole scene was the best of the show.

hurley with the van .... to sawyer shooting that dude.

:thumbsup Hell yeah, one of the best scenes in LOST history. And who wasn't all smiles and cheering when Hurley and Jack were on the walkies and Hurley says, "I save everyone! They're all ok, they're here!! I did it!" and everyone is cheering?? :D

Ugh, I am still just an awe about this last episode. Emotional rollercoaster!

[Beefsteak1138]

Bound and gagged, Sayid can kill a man without breaking a sweat. Somebody get me a glass of water.

Sayid has officially replaced Mr. Sark. For those of you who understand the significance of that.

:eek :eek :eek :eek

Do you like to have Mr. Snap talk in a foreign accent?? :hump

[dh4645]

Great episode.

I was hoping we would be able to read in detail what was on the newspaper, but oh well.

I also thought Kate would be fucked when they got rescued, but guess not. Driving a Volvo...interesting. She did look pretty damn hot though.

Did Jack notice his ex was pregnant?

If Rousseau made the tape 3 Days before she had Alex, then Alex was born on the island, but was Rousseau pregnant when she got to the island? And if not, how's she still alive?

Heads still spinning trying to figure that episode out, will have to re-watch tonight.

9 Months?....:lorraine :thumbsdow

there is detail of the newspaper
http://losteastereggs.blogspot.com/2007/05/newspaper-through-looking-glass.html

i'm not sure if he saw she was preggos, but he probably knew before anyway, so it wasnt a shock to him.

that is a good question about rousseau. didnt think about that. and alex is only 16??? she looks older.

[dh4645]

i wonder if the 'he' who will wonder where kate is could be a probation officer or the like, she is a criminal, and that rescue would be pretty high profile, there's no way she wouldn't be noticed.

that's a good thought. anything is possible

[dh4645]

does anyone see the embedded text behind this?:

If anyone should find this message, please get word I'm alive and stranded on an island somewhere in the South Pacific. Please send help soon. Things are bad. And they're getting worse...


I survived a horrific plane crash and am stranded on an island somewhere Northeast of Australia and Southwest of Hawaii. In the event that I am never found, please forward


just click around the msg from the owner or whatever and it appears.

what i get when i copy and paste the text into notepad.

If anyone should find this message, please get word I'm alive and stranded on an island somewhere in the South Pacific. Please send help soon. Things are bad. And they're getting worse...

Sally

[dh4645]

i just had a thought.

maybe the end of the finale was a desmond flash and now he can change this future by changing on-island events.

he needs someone else to save now that charlie is gone.