LOST (the tv show)

[SteelerMan]

i just had a thought.

maybe the end of the finale was a desmond flash and now he can change this future by changing on-island events.

he needs someone else to save now that charlie is gone.

Desmond's flashes aren't that coherent though.

[dh4645]

Desmond's flashes aren't that coherent though.

i know.

just thinking.

i wonder if desmond will have someone new to save now?

[JTRocks]

I was hoping with this season finale that i would be able to go back and watch all of season 3 and make some sense of it, but with this curve ball they threw at us, there is pretty much nothing new that we could go back and pick up on as far as what this upcoming 4th season is going to bring. Oh well, i am really excited to see where this is all gonna go

Something else i have been thinking about, has this flash forward always been in the works or did the writers decide somewhere along the way to change it up and have flashforwards?

Another thing, was anyone else a little unsatisfied with the whole Ben and Rosseau and alex thing. I thought there would be a little bit more explained ya know?

Finally, with all these people talking about this Jeremy Bentham character and speculating who it might be, Has anyone thought about that maybe when some of the people were taken off the island, there names might have been changed, somewhat like a witness protection program. Especially considering a lot of the things that some of these people did before coming on the island, it would make perfect sense for them to undergo some sort of name change. I dunno, something to think about

[dh4645]

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Finally, with all these people talking about this Jeremy Bentham character and speculating who it might be, Has anyone thought about that maybe when some of the people were taken off the island, there names might have been changed, somewhat like a witness protection program. Especially considering a lot of the things that some of these people did before coming on the island, it would make perfect sense for them to undergo some sort of name change. I dunno, something to think about

makes sense. anything is possible.

[41ravens]

Finally, with all these people talking about this Jeremy Bentham character and speculating who it might be, Has anyone thought about that maybe when some of the people were taken off the island, there names might have been changed, somewhat like a witness protection program. Especially considering a lot of the things that some of these people did before coming on the island, it would make perfect sense for them to undergo some sort of name change. I dunno, something to think about

but whoever the person is, they were high profile enough to warrant more than an obit for their death. i would think if one of the losties changed their name, that they would've stayed out of the public eye when they got back to the mainland.

[GinaNMU]

[quote=JTRocks;6082734]
Something else i have been thinking about, has this flash forward always been in the works or did the writers decide somewhere along the way to change it up and have flashforwards?

Another thing, was anyone else a little unsatisfied with the whole Ben and Rosseau and alex thing. I thought there would be a little bit more explained ya know?

/quote]

I'm pretty sure that the writers know exactly what they're doing in and why they're using this flash forward. I have a feeling the whole series may not take place on the island actually (have a big weird theory about that that doesn't quite make sense yet...I'm working on it :lol ), but we'll see.

Did you watch "The Answers", that recap show that was on over the past couple weeks? After seeing that, it just solidifies even more the fact that these guys know EXACTLY what they're doing. Everything is for a reason, everything happens for a reason, and eventually, everything will fall into place. I know it.

The Alex/Rousseau story/relationship has been one of my favorites ever since the beginning. The reuniting when Danielle says "want to help me tie him up?" hahahaha, awesome. No there wasn't really anything shown after that, but there will be obviously. When you think about it, it must be a damn awkward situation w/ lots of questions and realizations. That'll take awhile I think.

:)

[GLR87]

http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Through_the_Looking_Glass/Theories

I read this last night I can't believe they got so much up so quickly

[SteelerMan]

It seems obvious to me that the newspaper does not say "Jeremy Bentham". It looks like an "o" after the "J", and there's an "a" (not an "e") before the "n". It aggravates me when people come up with crap like this that doesn't even make sense.

Theories are fine, but at least make them logical.

[UNLTrpt]

Ok watched the finale yesterday. I wanted to back read and sleep on it before I commented.

I'll have to say that I wasn't TOO surprised that it was a flash-forward. When Jack used his phone the first time I noticed it was WAY to nice for the time period of a flash back. It did throw me off when he said "go get my dad" but again he might have been talking like "dig him up and he's more drunk than I am"

Was anybody really really dissapointed when Bernard spilled the beans? I was like "you dumb shit"

Hurley litterally came out of left field for me. I find it amazing that he came up with that after both Charlie and Sawyer told him he couldn't help. Shows ya what kind of guy he is. And who else thought that he was gonna take one center mass when he was driving towards that dude that he ran over?

Sayid is badass. Plain and simple.

I kind of figured that they wouldn't kill Bernard, Sayid and Jin at the same time. Maybe one of them but not all of them.

IMO, its Dharma off the coast with the boat. Whitmore doesn't own them does he?

Oh and we all heard the rumors that there was going to be some deaths during the finale...I made predictions on another board (I might have made them here too, I don't remember) But they were Rose, Tom, Charlie, and Naomi. 3 outta 4 ain't bad.

I don't think Ben is a bad guy. I really don't. Otherwise he would have had those three killed instead of shooting into the sand. I think he's a master of manipulation and deception and he's losing control of that.

Of course patchy wasn't going to be dead after Des shot him. How many times did they show a close up of him on the ground with the spear in him? It was almost like they were advertising "hey look he's dead!" It would have been SUPER cool had they only had him in the background, laying there. AND then have him show up missing when Des looked. And then show up at the window. That would have been money.

Walt...??? WTF?

Overall that was an amazing 2 hours of television.

I really think we'll keep on going with flashback episodes, but they'll also sprinkle in some flashfoward episodes at least in Season 4. They have to be very very careful not to accidentally spill the beans.

but its been said before, the writers know exactly what they're doing and these last 3 seasons are going to be amazing.

I too am upset that it'll be 9 months till another new episode but I saw an interview with one of the writers and he said "do you want it out quick or do you want it done well?" And I think we can all agree that we want it done well.

[ant_marching41]

i figured either they made a mistake or jack's flash was in the future...when he used his razr phone outside the funeral home. so i wasn't too shocked at the end.

who was he calling anyway?

Kate. We know this because he kept getting the same voice message when he called.

[dh4645]

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I don't think Ben is a bad guy. I really don't. Otherwise he would have had those three killed instead of shooting into the sand. I think he's a master of manipulation and deception and he's losing control of that.
....

ben told his followers to shoot the three, but they chose not to.

[ant_marching41]

ben told his followers to shoot the three, but they chose not to.
That i'm trying to figure out. It seems that of Tom and Ryan, Tom would be the merciful one while Ryan is a guy you wouldn't wanna fuck with. Yet, Tom says "we should have just killed them and not shot 3 shots in the sand." Someone wanna help me with this. :confused

[41ravens]

ben told his followers to shoot the three, but they chose not to.

i thought that, too, but now that i think back, i don't think he did. when it went back to the beach, price(?) said something like, "we were just following orders." and then tom said, "yeah, but i still think we should've killed them." then it shows the 3 of them alive. i take this to mean that their orders were to not kill them, but tom was the one who wanted to. i'll have to watch it again to make sure.

[ant_marching41]

i thought that, too, but now that i think back, i don't think he did. when it went back to the beach, price(?) said something like, "we were just following orders." and then tom said, "yeah, but i still think we should've killed them." then it shows the 3 of them alive. i take this to mean that their orders were to not kill them, but tom was the one who wanted to. i'll have to watch it again to make sure.
:lol Good, I'm not the only one. What a weird diologue.

[dh4645]

so maybe they just didnt show us ben's walky convo with them detailing the plan.

i guess ben figured jack would have caved and got him the phone. instead jack stood his ground, thought all 3 were killed and then beat the crap outta ben.

ben's plans keep backfiring.

[UNLTrpt]

i thought that, too, but now that i think back, i don't think he did. when it went back to the beach, price(?) said something like, "we were just following orders." and then tom said, "yeah, but i still think we should've killed them." then it shows the 3 of them alive. i take this to mean that their orders were to not kill them, but tom was the one who wanted to. i'll have to watch it again to make sure.

again it goes back to the Ben control thing. I really don't think he wants to kill anybody but he wants control. He's lied to everyone of the others about several things to keep them in the dark. He wanted that phone so he thought he could manipulate Jack into giving him the phone because he thought he would cave at the thought of them dieing. (I actually commend Jack for not saying anything)

Ben is losing control of his group and he knows it. He's getting desperate.

[ant_marching41]

so maybe they just didnt show us ben's walky convo with them detailing the plan.

i guess ben figured jack would have caved and got him the phone. instead jack stood his ground, thought all 3 were killed and then beat the crap outta ben.

ben's plans keep backfiring.
I guess thats what happened. Ben has said before that the others "aren't the killers." Yet, early in Greatest Hits, he says if any of the Men are stupid enough to get in the way, "kill them." I do believe that The Others are ultimmately the good guys, but sometimes their motives are inconsistant.

[ant_marching41]

Ben is losing control of his group and he knows it. He's getting desperate.
That is true, but i can't wait for him to be right about everything, specifically protecting the island's location from "the bad guys."

Man, what a story. :D

[UNLTrpt]

see thats what makes me think that its Dharma off the coast.

Ben doesn't want them to come back because he led to their death on the island.

and maybe its Dharma that is forcing them to "lie" like they said in flashforward. Forcing them not to talk about what ever happened/going to happen on the island.

[PleaseOrAppease]

Dudes... Jeremy Bentham created the concept of a panopticon.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panopticon

I'm surprised this post went so overlooked. Truman Show anyone?

When whoever it was that died, died, it proved to Jack that they never should have left the island - at least not in the way they did so. Naomi's people rescue them and Penny's still shit outta luck? I wonder if everyone actually left the island.
Jack was already in a broken state before seeing the article. At the very start, he is on one of his weekend plane trips he describes to Kate, pounding down drinks.

Did anyone else get the feeling that Kate agreed with Jack at the end, she just couldn't bring herself to say it? I think that something absolutely HUGE will be revealed about the island in the next season or two. Kate was also the only person Jack chose to talk to from the island in the flash-forward, and I think there is some importance behind this.

And Sawyer is THE man.

[dh4645]

I'm surprised this post went so overlooked. Truman Show anyone?

....

i've thought about the truman show a few times while watching lost.

mainly when hearing the whispers of (what sounds like) people commenting on what is going on in the scene.

[ant_marching41]

i've thought about the truman show a few times while watching lost.

mainly when hearing the whispers of (what sounds like) people commenting on what is going on in the scene.

Haha I can just picture that.



*Kate getting changed*
Whispers: Ohhh yeah baby *inaudible whispers* take it off *inaudible whispers* ohhh yes ohh yes...

[SteelerMan]

i've thought about the truman show a few times while watching lost.

mainly when hearing the whispers of (what sounds like) people commenting on what is going on in the scene.

The writers said they're not on a reality show.

[PleaseOrAppease]

The writers said they're not on a reality show.

You are taking the Truman Show reference too literally. It is entirely possible that the whole island and all of its inhabitants are not really on an island in the middle of the Pacific. The whole thing could be some kind of psychological experiment or something.

I guess think of it as something of a mixture between Lord of the Flies, Truman Show, and The Manchurian Candidate.

[junior94]

Haha I can just picture that.



*Kate getting changed*
Whispers: Ohhh yeah baby *inaudible whispers* take it off *inaudible whispers* ohhh yes ohh yes...


"Wait, did you hear that.... Like a big gob of liquid just spilled out of something..."

:evil :hump


Alright you folks, just when you thought it was safe to go back onto Youtube... a collection of some of the more killer scenes (& I mean that literally in the case of two of them) from the season finale, goodies I've put up on my page.

Hurley Saves The Day:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkUZXfnlWAM

Charlie Goes Out A Hero :( :(
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8GrZjjua7M

And finally, the "gamechanger"... mwaaahaaahaaahaahaaa :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhQsq4dMHSY


Oh regarding the beach attack scene though, and Im not sure if it's already been touched upon yet or not, I just know myself upon first viewing that while I felt pretty sure the shooting of Bernard, Sayid & Jin was a fakeout, I also thought that was a decision that Tom and Ryan made right there, that Ben really thought they were killed. But going back and listening to the dialogue again carefully, it confirms that nope, exactly what happened is what Ben wanted to happen (only wanted Jack to think they'd died). Granted this may've already been cleared up, but since I was posting the scene anyway...

[junior94]

You call yourselves LOST fans?! Just 3.5 days past that jaw dropping finale and already this thread has fallen silent?? For shame! FOR SHAME!!!! :p :lol

Ya know what would be the coolest of the cool once this series is completely done, the 6th season over and behind us? Just like with the GODFATHER trilogy and rumored with LORD OF THE RINGS, how fucking awesome would it be to do a chronological edit of the entire series? Eh?
Christ, I remember thinking how much of a monumental undertaking it would be just to perform it for LOTR (when hearing Jackson bring up the idea on the DVD commentary track), that'd be nothing compared to doing it for this show. Seriously though, that'd be the cat's pajamas. :cool

Going back over season 2 again from the start since borrowing them from my coworker, I feel like I'm being reminded all over again of my seething hatred for AnaL. :p I mean just this ridiculous authority she tries to lord over everyone from minute one when if they would just stop and think there's no legitimate reason to listen to her, but geez even the Tailies at that point, they just hung their head and followed exactly what she yelped at them to do. Pfffft... buncha pussies :lol

Oh shit and ya know what else I'd forgotten, for as much of a tough guy that Sawyer has always been made out to be, he's gotten his ass handed to him WAAAAAAY more times than he's kicked some for himself. :D Seriously it seems like everybody by now has gotten at least one lickin down on him.

[tedies]

[quote=junior94;6085547]
Hurley Saves The Day:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkUZXfnlWAM
[quote]

:hump I fucking love Hurley(or hero as Sawyer would say), this was such a great scene all around imo. "I didn't believe him" Sawyer has been taking some heat for shooting Mr. Friendly but I can't say I blame him, with his experiences with the others, why keep one alive when all they wanted to do was shoot him in the head, fuck with his mind, and screw with all of his lostie friends. I could go on all day about this finale, alas we have 9 months to rehash :shrug

[Altima22]

Well I just watched the finale again and paid closer attention to everything. I can say I'm a lot more satisfied with the end of season 3 than I was before. It was still not, however, that amazing of a LOST episode, imo.

[JimiThang1]

You call yourselves LOST fans?! Just 3.5 days past that jaw dropping finale and already this thread has fallen silent?? For shame! FOR SHAME!!!! :p :lol

Ya know what would be the coolest of the cool once this series is completely done, the 6th season over and behind us? Just like with the GODFATHER trilogy and rumored with LORD OF THE RINGS, how fucking awesome would it be to do a chronological edit of the entire series? Eh?
Christ, I remember thinking how much of a monumental undertaking it would be just to perform it for LOTR (when hearing Jackson bring up the idea on the DVD commentary track), that'd be nothing compared to doing it for this show. Seriously though, that'd be the cat's pajamas. :cool .
Oh god no that would be awful...doing that to the Godfather was probably one of the worst things FFC has ever done. If you can't figure shit out without it being in chronological order you aren't a fan of this show.

[MVDMB]

I really liked Tom and was thoroughly disappointed when he got shot.


Also, watching Charlie's death on youtube made me realize how much I actually liked him and I'm gonna miss him :(

[jguinan101]

yeah crazy how much this has died off in less than a week just imagine where we will be in a 6 months a post every three weeks or so dwelling in the chat thread celler

[tedies]

Hurley and Walt are playing a game and hurley walks away because he has a meeting and walt says "hey you owe me $20,000" and Hurley says he will get it. Its funny because we didnt know he was filthy rich at the time. The last episode will have hurley giving walt 20 grand :lol Sorry watching the 1st season over again you catch so many tiny tidbits

[mr.MikeD]

i met a girl this weekend who worked with evangeline lily, pre-lost of course. there's not much more to the story than that though.

[tedies]

i met a girl this weekend who worked with evangeline lily, pre-lost of course. there's not much more to the story than that though.
did she do phone chat line commercials like evangeline did :rolleyes

[junior94]

Oh god no that would be awful...doing that to the Godfather was probably one of the worst things FFC has ever done. If you can't figure shit out without it being in chronological order you aren't a fan of this show.

Oh believe me Derek, I'm not saying that it should like take the place of watching the series as is, just in the same way the Godfather edit shouldn't make the original trilogy obscelete. I don't think it's a matter of not being able to figure stuff out at all, it's not about helping to make things further clarified. I don't know, I just think it would be a cool thing to look at, just as it was interesting to see the Godfather done in such a way (although I'm not sure what exactly you refer to with "FFC"... I just know that when I saw it for the first time I was recording it off a broadcast on Bravo).

Also, watching Charlie's death on youtube made me realize how much I actually liked him and I'm gonna miss him :(

Well, just one of the many reasons I bothered to put it up for everyone ;)

yeah crazy how much this has died off in less than a week just imagine where we will be in a 6 months a post every three weeks or so dwelling in the chat thread celler

Bahh don't worry, I'm sure I'll still be coming in often enough to lay out one of my random "I just noticed something for the first time" 10,000 word rambling posts :lol

did she do phone chat line commercials like evangeline did :rolleyes

I totally still remember the night I was sitting here watching TV and first saw that ad of hers it gave me such a giggle :D I was like cool, what number can I dial to "chat" with Evie Lilly?? :p She especially looked like a real cutie in that thing. Which, still incredible to think, she got this monster of a part having never done really anything before, I mean I believe that phone chat line thing might've literally been the only acting she'd ever done (aside from maybe any Canadian theatre she did, I dunno)

[JimiThang1]

Oh believe me Derek, I'm not saying that it should like take the place of watching the series as is, just in the same way the Godfather edit shouldn't make the original trilogy obscelete. I don't think it's a matter of not being able to figure stuff out at all, it's not about helping to make things further clarified. I don't know, I just think it would be a cool thing to look at, just as it was interesting to see the Godfather done in such a way (although I'm not sure what exactly you refer to with "FFC"... I just know that when I saw it for the first time I was recording it off a broadcast on Bravo).


Francis Ford Coppola...I didn't feel like typing his name out. Still one of the dumbest things he's done.

[junior94]

Here's something to chew on... in the comments section on one of the Lost Youtube vids I was taking a look at, someone theorized the possibility that the two people whose lives Jack saved at the start of the flash forward on the bridge were in fact Juliette's sister and her son.

[tedies]

Here's something to chew on... in the comments section on one of the Lost Youtube vids I was taking a look at, someone theorized the possibility that the two people whose lives Jack saved at the start of the flash forward on the bridge were in fact Juliette's sister and her son.
I have heard that as well, I wouldn't be surprised

[ant_marching41]

Hurley and Walt are playing a game and hurley walks away because he has a meeting and walt says "hey you owe me $20,000" and Hurley says he will get it. Its funny because we didnt know he was filthy rich at the time. The last episode will have hurley giving walt 20 grand :lol Sorry watching the 1st season over again you catch so many tiny tidbits
Rewatching seasons of lost = one of my favorite things to do

[tedies]

Rewatching seasons of lost = one of my favorite things to do
:thumbsup I have both seasons and I have been waiting till now to watch them. Most these episodes I have only seen once and haven't seen them since 04/05. Its pretty yummy

[JTRocks]

Yeah, with all the time we have till season 4, i am definately gonna check out some of the past seasons again too

[junior94]

Well it's funny you guys say this, because like I said I recently borrowed s2 off a friend, but honestly now I'm starting to wonder if I shouldn't be going back to watch these earlier eps of the season, because I feel like I'm actualy getting more pissed off even than I was the first go round at everyting AnaL-related. Like part of what I really wanted to try and figure out was, since I know for the bulk of us s2 was the weakest of the three, and wanting to see if getting a chance to watch it all straight thru will change that opintion of it.

But seriouly, I can't stand her even MORE now. :lol And especially nowthat she's killed Shannon, and the thing where she then ties up Sayid after he gets knocked out pretty much because she kknows he'll wanna come after for killing Shannon (though obviously not like she's not aware it wasn't TOTALLY her fault) and Michael and Jin just sit by and let it happen!!! :BANG yea she keeps on "Don't go near him!" and she points her gun, I'd be ilke BITCH, I'm taking my guy outta here, and you're gonna have to kill me to stop me,so ahead and kill me, because you're NOT doing this to him. I mean it, this extreme bossiness she just appointed herself with in this thing, and everyone's just TAKING IT! I do'nt understand!! :violent

Alright, *breathe*... remember that was now almost a full 2 seasons ago that it happened. :p

[snapmcd]

Here's something to chew on... in the comments section on one of the Lost Youtube vids I was taking a look at, someone theorized the possibility that the two people whose lives Jack saved at the start of the flash forward on the bridge were in fact Juliette's sister and her son.

That's mentioned in the Lostpedia entry as well; apparently the timeline works for the age of the kid.

[ant_marching41]

Started watching season 1 last night. God thats good stuff. I can't wait to get to my favs. of that season (walkabout, the moth, confidence man).

[GinaNMU]

I really liked Tom and was thoroughly disappointed when he got shot.


Also, watching Charlie's death on youtube made me realize how much I actually liked him and I'm gonna miss him :(

Hahaha, I should give you shit for "really liking" Tom, but I really like Juliet :angel so I'll keep my mouth shut b/c I know how much that pisses some people off.

And yes, I watched the episode again and cried AGAIN when Charlie died, and I knew exactly what was coming. Ugh, I'm going to miss him a lot, too.

[ant_marching41]

Hahaha, I should give you shit for "really liking" Tom, but I really like Juliet :angel so I'll keep my mouth shut b/c I know how much that pisses some people off.

And yes, I watched the episode again and cried AGAIN when Charlie died, and I knew exactly what was coming. Ugh, I'm going to miss him a lot, too.
Hah. I "really liked" Tom as well! I was really looking forward to seeing his backstory.

[tdowe99]

Tom seemed like a decent guy just doing his job.

[ant_marching41]

I'm watching the second episode of the Pilot and I just busted out laughing at the part where Jack is pulling out the scrap metel from the marshal and Hurley is getting queasy from the sight of it.

Jack: Hurley, hand me those strips.
Hurley: Aw dude..
Jack: Just hand me the strips, I need to stop the bleeding.
Hurley: ........
Jack: Don't even think about it Hurley. Don't even think about it!
*Hurley passes out on the marshal*
Jack: DAMN IT!


:lol :lol :lol

Ahh, season one shenanigans.

[tedies]

I could never bring myself to really like Tom even know he was probably one of the more down to Earth others because he took Walt like a bastard. Apparently Sawyer held a grudge too :lol

[ant_marching41]

And man could that guy throw a football!

[Talula62]

Hahaha, I should give you shit for "really liking" Tom, but I really like Juliet :angel so I'll keep my mouth shut b/c I know how much that pisses some people off.
Who gets pissed off by that? That's dumb. You talk about her if you want! Everyone I know off these boards LOVES her.

Now if you "really liked" Ana-Lucia... ;) :lol

[tdowe99]

Yeah, I guess Tom was an ass for kidnapping Walt.
I think Sawyer just wanted revenge for the whole getting shot / put in a cage / etc.

[ant_marching41]

Yeah, I guess Tom was an ass for kidnapping Walt.
I think Sawyer just wanted revenge for the whole getting shot / put in a cage / etc.
He also said to Tom, while he was the presumed leader, that "you and me ain't done Zeke." He's been holding this grudge for a while.

[clayj41]

Haven't posted in here in awhile, but I just wanted to say that the anticipation of the finale was the only thing that kept me going while I was in the hospital last week...it didn't disappoint!

[ant_marching41]

Haven't posted in here in awhile, but I just wanted to say that the anticipation of the finale was the only thing that kept me going while I was in the hospital last week...it didn't disappoint!
Glad you had Lost to keep ya going. How ya feelin man?

[TwoStep2888]

Quick question. Does anyone know if there's an updated version of this map (http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/1442/theislandnewyk8.png) floating around anywhere?

[JimiThang1]

Quick question. Does anyone know if there's an updated version of this map (http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/1442/theislandnewyk8.png) floating around anywhere?
No but they are probably working on a new one now...I think the hold up is that Ben's Map shown in the last two episodes contradicts things on this map so they are probably going to have to fix the map. Here's the website that hosts that map:

http://lostmap.blogspot.com/

[Talula62]

Oooh. I love maps so Lost maps are even better.

Post 4,000 coming up!

[ant_marching41]

If I were more of a craftsman, I'd like to make a model of the Lost island.

[tedies]

This is the best, character driven show ever created. Don't believe me? Go watch Lost In Translation (the episode not the movie) and tell me otherwise. :monkey

[junior94]

Listening to Lindelof & Cuse's commentary on the episode "The 23rd Psalm" on the season 2 DVD set here and there's a couple things I wanted to mention briefly.

They remark yet again on how they did this or that as a way of proving to the naysayers that they're not making it up as they go along, so hopefully they've bought themselves more faith from the audience, etc. I realize I'm perhaps preaching to the choir here, but I for one think at this point (well this "point" happened AWHILE ago, actually) it's without question that they've done more then enough to show they've been in control since minute one, and quite simply if there's another ragger on the show anymore that "argues" for the pulling it out of their ass idea, well then those people are just showing themselves for the ignorant idiots they are, as simple as that. I mean seriously by now it's literally not even worth discussing anymore, there's no talking to them anywa.

And secondly when the scene plays of Michael finding himself alone in the hatch and he goes to try and talk to Walt again on the computer right before Jack walks in, Lindelof says "And of course we will later find out exactly who was sending these transmissions and why, but again, it gets Michael into all sorts of trouble... "

So with hearing him say this I just want to make sure of something. I know that even back shortly after this first occurred last year a lot of fans were thinking that it wasn't Walt at all, it was the Others themselves just trying to bait Michael into making the trip he ultimately does to their camp. But so I know that I didn't miss anything -- the reveal that Lindelof speaks of in that commentary, have they officially answered that yet? I mean I realize that considering the specific way he worded it, it could mean it's something that hell we won't learn until the very last show, but I wanted to ask about and see if there was something either at the end of season 2 or at all during this year where they said anything definitely about it that I didn't pick up on. I just wasn't sure if they ever 100% confirmed it was the Others just luring Michael in (and if so, presumably -- now that we know that they could pretty much see them all the time thru the tons of surveillance cams -- they'd keep an eye on Michael and know when he was right there close to the computer to bother trying to get his attention with the IM'ing, if you will).

[clayj41]

Glad you had Lost to keep ya going. How ya feelin man?

I'm great! Thanks for asking...:)

[GinaNMU]

Who gets pissed off by that? That's dumb. You talk about her if you want! Everyone I know off these boards LOVES her.

Now if you "really liked" Ana-Lucia... ;) :lol

Hahaha, I know. Well he doesn't really get pissed off. My boyfriend just HATES Juliet so it annoys him when I stick up for her and say how much I am interested in her character.

So far, I've been right about her that she's not a horrible person, that she DOES care about the losties and feels bad about what she's been forced to do, and is now going to turn against the others (well, now that Ben knows what she did/told everyone, he'll be looking for her blood, which is the reason why she's had to do such horrible things in the first place).

[JimiThang1]

So with hearing him say this I just want to make sure of something. I know that even back shortly after this first occurred last year a lot of fans were thinking that it wasn't Walt at all, it was the Others themselves just trying to bait Michael into making the trip he ultimately does to their camp. But so I know that I didn't miss anything -- the reveal that Lindelof speaks of in that commentary, have they officially answered that yet? I mean I realize that considering the specific way he worded it, it could mean it's something that hell we won't learn until the very last show, but I wanted to ask about and see if there was something either at the end of season 2 or at all during this year where they said anything definitely about it that I didn't pick up on. I just wasn't sure if they ever 100% confirmed it was the Others just luring Michael in (and if so, presumably -- now that we know that they could pretty much see them all the time thru the tons of surveillance cams -- they'd keep an eye on Michael and know when he was right there close to the computer to bother trying to get his attention with the IM'ing, if you will).
Well it could have been Mikhal at the Flame station or the chicks in the looking glass but other than that we haven't seen any other technological devices that the Others have. Or it could have been maybe Ben or Juliet at the Pearl station since we know they had access to that computer as well.

[themaker111]

After careful thought, I have decided that I believe the man in the coffin to be James (Sawyer) Ford. Here are the reasons why -

1. The name in the newspaper clipping starts with Ja and as for the last name Sawyer had changed his name numerous times in the past.
2. If Sawyer and Kate had a falling out at some point she would say, "Why would I go to his funeral?" or whatever she said.
3. Jack said neither friend or family, and nobody would go to Sawyer's funeral because he had no family.
4. The length of the coffin could easily be expained by him losing his legs in an accident or something like that (which is maybe why he hung himself... it says something about a beam which hints at a hanging in the newspaper clipping)
5. Maybe Sawyer moved to New York after they got off the island.

The real twist would be if Kate ended up with Ben or something crazy like that. She says, "He's going to wonder where I am?" Maybe she's not referring to Sawyer after all...

Just a thought.

http://bp2.blogger.com/_-6F0vgJyfdQ/RlUbMEmnsLI/AAAAAAAAAAU/fDn0r-aEHj8/s1600-h/lost-newspaper_1000x667.shkl+copy.jpg

[TwoStep2888]

No but they are probably working on a new one now...I think the hold up is that Ben's Map shown in the last two episodes contradicts things on this map so they are probably going to have to fix the map. Here's the website that hosts that map:

http://lostmap.blogspot.com/

Sweet. Thanks for the info. Much appreciated.

[Talula62]

I say the name starts with J, yes, but that's as far as I can/want to speculate. Also, I say it ain't Sawyer. Here's why. He's still on the island. Booya.

:lol I dunno. But anyone thinking the same thing? That they aren't all off the island? Otherwise, how much are they really going to gain from going back? It doesn't really make sense to me unless they're time traveling and go back in order to put everyone back on the island and then change things. But I'm not all that behind the time traveling stuff, still, I don't think.

[Heavy As Stone]

There is still a lot of room for some deaths.

Hell, maybe when Kate referred to "he," she was doing so in the same way that the others did when they said "he" in reference to (we believe) Jacob. Do I think that is what she meant? No. But maybe she had to make some kind of bargain to save someone's life or something.

On a less out there note, I am going to guess that the funeral was for someone we haven't met yet.

[JimiThang1]

According to Kristin at Eonline Harold Perrineau has been offered to come back as a series regular.

[GinaNMU]

According to Kristin at Eonline Harold Perrineau has been offered to come back as a series regular.

Ugh, I HATE Kristin.

But link??? :lol

This is exciting stuff!!!! :multi

[ant_marching41]

According to Kristin at Eonline Harold Perrineau has been offered to come back as a series regular.
:multi :bounce :hump

[junior94]

After careful thought, I have decided that I believe the man in the coffin to be James (Sawyer) Ford. Here are the reasons why -

1. The name in the newspaper clipping starts with Ja and as for the last name Sawyer had changed his name numerous times in the past.
2. If Sawyer and Kate had a falling out at some point she would say, "Why would I go to his funeral?" or whatever she said.
3. Jack said neither friend or family, and nobody would go to Sawyer's funeral because he had no family.
4. The length of the coffin could easily be expained by him losing his legs in an accident or something like that (which is maybe why he hung himself... it says something about a beam which hints at a hanging in the newspaper clipping)
5. Maybe Sawyer moved to New York after they got off the island.


With all due respect, it's my opinion that your list of reasons is flimsy, at best.

I say the name starts with J, yes, but that's as far as I can/want to speculate. Also, I say it ain't Sawyer. Here's why. He's still on the island. Booya.

:lol I dunno. But anyone thinking the same thing? That they aren't all off the island? Otherwise, how much are they really going to gain from going back? It doesn't really make sense to me unless they're time traveling and go back in order to put everyone back on the island and then change things. But I'm not all that behind the time traveling stuff, still, I don't think.

Yea I'm not sure what I think yet about them being home and Sawyer still being there in the future, but there's no doubt in my mind that he was neither the person in the coffin nor the "he" that Kate was referring to. Like an above poster said, and I think I said this right after I saw the finale, I think it's very likely we simply haven't yet met the person who's funeral it was. Remember folks, we've still a got A LOT of show yet to go thru inbetween what happened "now" and then that 3 years in the future. Hell we stil don't even know how long it was supposed to have been in that future scenario that they had been back from the island.
But did anyone else notice that other doctor, the new chief of surgery that Jack kept dealing with, when they met he said "Oh yea Jack, the hero, twice over now.."
Now obviously once would've been for the bridge accident we saw, but do you suppose that he was nationally labelled as a hero for getting everyone saved?

But that reminds me of something. Now whether the writers are making a point with this, or it was just an overlooked sort of plot hole, I don't know. But think about the time inbetween the Others witnessed the plane crashing, and then when Ben arrived at Mikhail's station with Juliette to show her the live footage of her sister. When they walked in, Mikhail was already monitoring all these different news stations dealing with the plane story.

What could it have taken Ben & Juliette to walk to that station -- a couple hours at the most? And yet within just a couple hours of the crash (& presumably it had only been a couple hours at the most that the plane went off ATC radar), it was already splashed across every TV news agency?

[junior94]

According to Kristin at Eonline Harold Perrineau has been offered to come back as a series regular.

If that were to happen, I'd only be happy about it if it'd be about doing something very different with his character. Because again with going back into these s2 episodes, these got old veeeeeeeeeeery fast :p

"They took my son, right from my bare hands!! Can you understand that? THEY TOOK MY SON!!!"
"I'm not going ANYWHERE without my son!!!"
"WHERE is my son?!?!"

And my personal favorite...

"WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLTTTTTTTTTT! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

Yea umm, I grew to want to kill Michael myself :lol

[ant_marching41]

But that reminds me of something. Now whether the writers are making a point with this, or it was just an overlooked sort of plot hole, I don't know. But think about the time inbetween the Others witnessed the plane crashing, and then when Ben arrived at Mikhail's station with Juliette to show her the live footage of her sister. When they walked in, Mikhail was already monitoring all these different news stations dealing with the plane story.

What could it have taken Ben & Juliette to walk to that station -- a couple hours at the most? And yet within just a couple hours of the crash (& presumably it had only been a couple hours at the most that the plane went off ATC radar), it was already splashed across every TV news agency?

I don't see what you're trying to question here, but I wouldn't be surprised if the news was all over it by then. They probably would have been reporting on the missing plane, not that it officially crashed. Or, maybe they found the plane wreck by then (the one Naomi spoke of). I forgot how many hours the plane lost radio contact, but w/e that number is, add 2 hours i suppose to that (the time it would take to get from Otherville to Mikhail's station).

[ant_marching41]

If that were to happen, I'd only be happy about it if it'd be about doing something very different with his character. Because again with going back into these s2 episodes, these got old veeeeeeeeeeery fast :p

"They took my son, right from my bare hands!! Can you understand that? THEY TOOK MY SON!!!"
"I'm not going ANYWHERE without my son!!!"
"WHERE is my son?!?!"

And my personal favorite...

"WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLTTTTTTTTTT! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

Yea umm, I grew to want to kill Michael myself :lol

That was my favorite as well! :lol Two funny stories about that:

1) Me and my best friend were at a party and we noticed one of our black friends kinda looked like michael. So we went up to him and said "Hey Joe, could you do us a favor? Say "I ain't leavin without my boi," and "Waaaaaalllllttt!" He hadn't watched the show but he knew what we were trying to do and he was like "I know whats goin on. You want me to talk like that black guy from lost! No!" :lol

2) I made a Lost birthday card for my best friend last year. On the front was the shot of Walt screaming "Dad!" while he was being taken off the raft. I had a voice bubble above it saying, "Hey dad, did ya hear? Its Eric's birthday! On the inside was the shot of Michael when he does that yell, except I had him say "Happy BIIIIIIIIII-IR-IR-IRTH DAY!" :lol

[tedies]

okay in spirit of the "offseason", who is you absolute favorite character? I'll go first, Sayid. This is hard but do able

[JTRocks]

okay in spirit of the "offseason", who is you absolute favorite character? I'll go first, Sayid. This is hard but do able

Yeah good call. we got 8 months, so we might as well be creative and come up with some stuff to talk about here.


I would also have to say Sayid is my absolute favorite character, but for the sake of keeping things different, my next favorite character would have to be Sawyer, towards the beggining of the show i hated him because it seemed like he was just a pain in the ass just to have around, but once they launched the raft at the end of Season 1 i believe i really started to like his character

[tedies]

Yeah good call. we got 8 months, so we might as well be creative and come up with some stuff to talk about here.


I would also have to say Sayid is my absolute favorite character, but for the sake of keeping things different, my next favorite character would have to be Sawyer, towards the beggining of the show i hated him because it seemed like he was just a pain in the ass just to have around, but once they launched the raft at the end of Season 1 i believe i really started to like his character
:thumbsup I started liking sawyer after him and Kate played "I never" :rolleyes

[UCFish]

I want to say Hurley. He always has the right comment to lighten things up.

[clayj41]

okay in spirit of the "offseason", who is you absolute favorite character? I'll go first, Sayid. This is hard but do able

Jack, there's just so much to his character that many seem to underestimate. He's so conflicted, more than any other character in my opinion.

[jguinan101]

it was close but after the finale i am with out a doubt voting hurley with sayid a close second

so who is the hottest female (if the ladys want to play you can fight over jack and sawyer). can anyone hold a flame to kate, juliet maybe black haired goth claire, cindy, AnaL... who you got on this one?

[UCFish]

How about Shannon.

AnaL is absolutely disgusting. I don't know why anyone ever thought she was hot.

[TrippinBilliam]

Can anyone tell me the best place to download season 1 episodes. All my torrents have only gotten about 50-60% then stop.

[junior94]

it was close but after the finale i am with out a doubt voting hurley with sayid a close second

so who is the hottest female (if the ladys want to play you can fight over jack and sawyer). can anyone hold a flame to kate, juliet maybe black haired goth claire, cindy, AnaL... who you got on this one?

Well as to that, we did get these polls going a couple years ago ;)


For the Guys:
http://www.antsmarching.org/forum/showthread.php?t=148408

For the Girls:
http://www.antsmarching.org/forum/showthread.php?t=148388&highlight=lost

[GinaNMU]

Well as to that, we did get these polls going a couple years ago ;)


For the Guys:
http://www.antsmarching.org/forum/showthread.php?t=148408

For the Girls:
http://www.antsmarching.org/forum/showthread.php?t=148388&highlight=lost

My guys are Sawyer and Sayid. My girls are Sun and Kate. I think Sun is just stunningly beautiful.

[snapmcd]

Obviously my man-vote is with Sayid.

I think my girl vote would be for Claire. And I thought Kate looked much prettier without all the makeup in the finale.

[dh4645]

Well as to that, we did get these polls going a couple years ago ;)


For the Guys:
http://www.antsmarching.org/forum/showthread.php?t=148408

For the Girls:
http://www.antsmarching.org/forum/showthread.php?t=148388&highlight=lost


well, i never voted before, so i just did.

[tedies]

My girl would have to be Claire. Shes smokin hot and that accent is delicious :rolleyes

[JimiThang1]

Oh man are we to who's hot and who's not now...gonna be a long 8 months.

[GinaNMU]

Oh man are we to who's hot and who's not now...gonna be a long 8 months.

:lol :thumbsup

I just yelled at the crazies in the "girls of lost" poll b/c they said Shannon was hotter than Kate. I said, "I'm straight and I'D do Kate on that beach blanket!"

Then I realized it's only been one week w/o Lost and my head almost exploded :lorraine

[UNLTrpt]

:lol :thumbsup

I just yelled at the crazies in the "girls of lost" poll b/c they said Shannon was hotter than Kate. I said, "I'm straight and I'D do Kate on that beach blanket!"

Then I realized it's only been one week w/o Lost and my head almost exploded :lorraine

hot.:hump

[tedies]

Can anyone tell me the best place to download season 1 episodes. All my torrents have only gotten about 50-60% then stop.
Your local DVD store

[junior94]

Alright boys and girls, so if anyone remembers (well I know Derek definitely does, because I consulted him for some help on it) a couple months back here I announced I was working on a secret special project, for which one of the things I had done was go back into looking over some of the original pilot footage again. Well that was just the tip of the iceberg. I'm finally done what I was doing and now here to unleash it on all of you :D

I basicaly went back into the series and created my own little "short film" focusing directly on Smokezilla AKA The Smoke Monster. I think that may very well be my favorite overall island mystery so I wanted to put together EVERY SINGLE SCENE where we've seen it visually in the entire series so far. I needed to wait until after the finale to see if they'd reference it once more, sadly they didn't. But there's still plenty to be had here, it runs about 45:00 worth of footage. I did like just like putting together a movie, I made it in Windows Movie Maker so there's some careful editing and even got titles and stuff. I'd really wanted it to be played in one single piece, but unfortunately the final video came to 559mb, and I couldn't find any temp server sites (like Yousendit.com, megauplaod.com, etc) that would host a file over 500mb without having to papy the service. So I split it in roughly two equal parts. Also I wanted to make it available for streaming instead of just having to DL the file direct, but with Youtube getting more strict everyday I was afraid UL'ing all of that (it would've been split into like 10 pieces) my account would've been cancelled because of copyright rules (I'm already on my 2nd one there). So without further adieu....


The LOST Smokezilla Files -- Part 1 (283mb, 23:28):
http://www.sendspace.com/file/4ore08 (http://www.sendspace.com/file/4ore08)

The LOST Smokezilla Files -- Part 2 (268mb, 22:25):
http://www.sendspace.com/file/x1glib (http://www.sendspace.com/file/x1glib)


I hope everyone enjoys :)

[JTRocks]

Can anyone tell me the best place to download season 1 episodes. All my torrents have only gotten about 50-60% then stop.

I had a similar problem except only mine would were just taking forever with no end in sight

Try downloading a .mp4 version of the torrent. I just started downloading a mp4 version of Season 1 thats 4 GBs and after 2 hours i'm at 10% which is almost 2 episodes so far so it aint too bad. The only bad part is the mp4 just isnt as good of picture quality as you would find with .avi files but the sound is still good. Im only gonna download the mp4s for season 1 since they are harder to find seeders for.

I downloaded mine at podtropolis.com

[JTRocks]

Alright boys and girls, so if anyone remembers (well I know Derek definitely does, because I consulted him for some help on it) a couple months back here I announced I was working on a secret special project, for which one of the things I had done was go back into looking over some of the original pilot footage again. Well that was just the tip of the iceberg. I'm finally done what I was doing and now here to unleash it on all of you :D

I basicaly went back into the series and created my own little "short film" focusing directly on Smokezilla AKA The Smoke Monster. I think that may very well be my favorite overall island mystery so I wanted to put together EVERY SINGLE SCENE where we've seen it visually in the entire series so far. I needed to wait until after the finale to see if they'd reference it once more, sadly they didn't. But there's still plenty to be had here, it runs about 45:00 worth of footage. I did like just like putting together a movie, I made it in Windows Movie Maker so there's some careful editing and even got titles and stuff. I'd really wanted it to be played in one single piece, but unfortunately the final video came to 559mb, and I couldn't find any temp server sites (like Yousendit.com, megauplaod.com, etc) that would host a file over 500mb without having to papy the service. So I split it in roughly two equal parts. Also I wanted to make it available for streaming instead of just having to DL the file direct, but with Youtube getting more strict everyday I was afraid UL'ing all of that (it would've been split into like 10 pieces) my account would've been cancelled because of copyright rules (I'm already on my 2nd one there). So without further adieu....


The LOST Smokezilla Files -- Part 1 (283mb, 23:28):
http://www.sendspace.com/file/4ore08 (http://www.sendspace.com/file/4ore08)

The LOST Smokezilla Files -- Part 2 (268mb, 22:25):
http://www.sendspace.com/file/x1glib (http://www.sendspace.com/file/x1glib)


I hope everyone enjoys :)


Hey i'm d/l part 1 right now but it will be a little while till its done. I was wondering, have you ever checked out the smoke monster theory that claims that the smoke monster is a djinn (Genie). It sounds stupid at first, but this guy on this other message board really made a great theory and organized it very well with actual supporting facts about djinns. I advise you or anyone else on here to check this theory out, it really does make a lot of sense and everything on there is backed up with actual facts.

http://www.4815162342.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=31280&start=0

[tedies]

:lorraine :lorraine Wow December 11th until season 3 comes out on DVD. Long, long ways away. http://www.buddytv.com/articles/lost/lost-fans-have-yet-another-lon-7013.aspx

[UCFish]

Watched your smokezilla video. Pretty interesting. Thanks for putting that together.

[Talula62]

:lol :thumbsup

I just yelled at the crazies in the "girls of lost" poll b/c they said Shannon was hotter than Kate. I said, "I'm straight and I'D do Kate on that beach blanket!"

Then I realized it's only been one week w/o Lost and my head almost exploded :lorraineOh Gina, we should be friends in real life! :lol
This is what I have been saying for years! Evangeline Lilly is out of control gorgeous.

Wow, Kev! Sounds like some impressive work you've done! I'll have to get these downloaded and check them out.

[junior94]

Wow, Kev! Sounds like some impressive work you've done! I'll have to get these downloaded and check them out.

Well I told you I was doing it, right? Though I mean even if I did, I only mentioned it once very briefly just that I was doing it as a concept way back when I first talked to Derek about it. But I kinda had to include him because he helped me figure out exactly which episodes include the monster visually. But yea I think you're theonly other person I told, well, cause you're you :D But generally I wanted it to be a surprise for everyone.


And I flatter myself that this is something else that would make the 8 or so months go a little quicker -- I've started up an official poll on the top 10 mysteries of the island, having people vote for their main 3 choices. Sorry folks I did the best I could in making the 10 selections I did :o

http://www.antsmarching.org/forum/showthread.php?t=194049

[junior94]

I just yelled at the crazies in the "girls of lost" poll b/c they said Shannon was hotter than Kate. I said, "I'm straight and I'D do Kate on that beach blanket!"


Grrrrrrrr.....

:violent :twak

How dare you speak such a way about my Shannon. Sure Kate's great, but she's no Maggie G ;) :p

[TrippinBilliam]

Your local DVD store

I took your advise, but they all said they had no download capabilities. They only had DVD's that cost $50 each.

I had a similar problem except only mine would were just taking forever with no end in sight

Try downloading a .mp4 version of the torrent. I just started downloading a mp4 version of Season 1 thats 4 GBs and after 2 hours i'm at 10% which is almost 2 episodes so far so it aint too bad. The only bad part is the mp4 just isnt as good of picture quality as you would find with .avi files but the sound is still good. Im only gonna download the mp4s for season 1 since they are harder to find seeders for.

I downloaded mine at podtropolis.com

Thank you, that is perfect, because I'm putting these episodes on my DS. I convert to a smaller file anyways because it still looks great on the smaller DS screen. I can fit 10 hours into 1 gig that way.

[tedies]

I took your advise, but they all said they had no download capabilities. They only had DVD's that cost $50 each.
:lol funny how they want money for stuff there sellin

[junior94]

Grrrrrrrr.....

:violent :twak

How dare you speak such a way about my Shannon. Sure Kate's great, but she's no Maggie G ;) :p

Actually, I'm thinking now to possibly amend this statement. As in love as I've always been with Shannon (purely aesthetically, mind you :p ) the Goth Claire we saw this season is giving me serious doubts... :hump :lol
(as apparently it was not much of a secret around this thread that such a thing would send my blood boiling as soon as she appeared onscreen like that)

[tedies]

Actually, I'm thinking now to possibly amend this statement. As in love as I've always been with Shannon (purely aesthetically, mind you :p ) the Goth Claire we saw this season is giving me serious doubts... :hump :lol
(as apparently it was not much of a secret around this thread that such a thing would send my blood boiling as soon as she appeared onscreen like that)
Goth Claire is disturbingly smoking hot :thumbsup

[TrippinBilliam]

:lol funny how they want money for stuff there sellin

:lol I know....bastards.

[dh4645]

Goth Claire is disturbingly smoking hot :thumbsup

agreed, but kate is still better

every time she's on screen i go "god she is so f'ing hot"

[dh4645]

Hey i'm d/l part 1 right now but it will be a little while till its done. I was wondering, have you ever checked out the smoke monster theory that claims that the smoke monster is a djinn (Genie). It sounds stupid at first, but this guy on this other message board really made a great theory and organized it very well with actual supporting facts about djinns. I advise you or anyone else on here to check this theory out, it really does make a lot of sense and everything on there is backed up with actual facts.

http://www.4815162342.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=31280&start=0

very cool.

and this symbol looks familiar: Bagua
http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/9485/547pxpakuawithnamesvgykaz7.png

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bagua_(concept)

[JTRocks]

:lol funny how they want money for stuff there sellin


Funny how they want money for a show that is absolutely free and isnt on cable or a premium channel

[tosssweep]

Damn! I can't believe we have to wait until December for Season 3 on DVD! :thumbsdow :thumbsdow

[tedies]

agreed, but kate is still better

every time she's on screen i go "god she is so f'ing hot"
She is probably the better looker but I love a girl with an accent :rolleyes

[junior94]

Wow I never knew Foxy was from Abington, PA. That's only about a half hour from where I grew up (and am back at now). I just happened to see that on IMDB.

[JTRocks]

Hey Junior, im working on a Smoke monster/Smokie theory right now that you might find pretty interesting, I'm gonna post it up here a little later when I finish it

[skywalker_009]

i think im going to start calling you junior too kev;)...

[JTRocks]

Okay, so before the season 4 finale, one of the things that really got me excited for the offseason was the fact that I would be able to go back and re-watch all the episodes. Well, with the whole game-changing event that happened at the end of the finale, it kind of took away some of that motivation, because I figured there would be nothing I could really pick up on that would give me any clue as to what will happen when Season 4 premieres in 8 months. But I decided anyway since I was bored last night to start watching so I watched Pilot 1 & 2 earlier today. Watching these two episodes, I think I may have come up with my theory about the smoke monster. Now I cannot take full credit for this theory, because I have seen it mentioned on other message boards, but I have not found the theory fully dissected anywhere yet.

Part of it rests on the other theory that the Smoke monster = Jacob, but it is not entirely imperative that you subscribe to that theory to understand this one at all.




First, picture this in a later episode:

Some Losties or maybe some other character on the island walking through the jungle, when they find a crate or animal cage. Inside the cage they find the bones of a dog, and the dog still has its dog collar on, and the name on the dog collar is Vincent.

In one of the podcasts, Damon and Lindoff said that there is a major clue in the first scene of the pilot. The first scene of the pilot, we see Jack waking up in the jungle after the plane crash, he hears a noise and quickly turns his head, and who does he see, Vincent.

It has been confirmed by the writers that Smokie can take the shapes of certain people, which we have seen the monster take the shape of Walt, Yemi, the Horse, Christian Shepard, and I am sure there are others that I am missing here too.

So since we have seen Smokie take the shape of people who are dead (Christian Shepard) and people who are no longer on the island (Walt), presuming that Vincent is dead, why not take the shape of Vincent.

We’ve seen Smokie scan people before too, what better way to scan these new people on the island than to take the form of a dog who can curiously wander around the Losties camp

Anyone who is currently watching season 1 right now, you may notice the frequency of appearances by the Smoke Monster in the first two Pilots, but at the end of Pilot 2 when Vincent is returned the beach camp you may notice that we see less and less of the Smokie from there on out, and I don’t think we ever see Smokie appear close to the beach ever again.

Another minor thing from the Lost Experience that I found while doing a little research was the website produced by the Hanso Foundation retrieversoftruth.com which may be another small indirect hint toward this theory

While on the island, Vincent has led many of the Losties to some important events on the island:

He looks on as Jack, Kate and Charlie go into the cockpit, where the smoke monster would later attack and kill the pilot
Locke and Boone go searching for Vincent when they find Claire returning from the Staff
When Shannon sees Walt she is led to him by Vincent
He brings the Virgin Mary statue to Charlie
He leads Hurley, Sawyer, Charlie, and Jin to the overturned DHARMA van
He pulled the blanket off of Nikki and Paulo’s bodie before they were buried perhaps because he knew they were alive.





Now assuming that Smokie=Jacob, it appears as though he is being held prisoner in some way presumably by Ben with the ash or whatever that stuff was that was around his cabin
In a way, Smokie/Jacob probably likes the Losties, and may even see them as hope to one day becoming free.

In “The Man Behind The Curtain” we are led to understand that Locke has a special gift and with that special gift he heard Jacob speak. So there is some sort of special bond between Locke and Jacob and the island. In the first 2 pilot episodes, we see Vincent looking on at other Losties such as the first scene when he sees Jack or when he watches Jack, Kate, and Charlie go to the cockpit. Golden retrievers are very personable dogs and many would agree with me that given the situation, the dog would immediately approach the people it sees instead of acting stand-offish. Which leads me to my next point….

It took John Locke to actually call for the dog to come to the Losties camp. The dog/smokie/Jacob saw the other people around the island, but it waited for John Locke to be the one to actually call for the him. And possibly because of that, Jacob has reached out to Locke.

Locke and Walt both had a special bond with Vincent. During season 2 after Walt is taken by the Others, we find out that they think that Walt is special. And then it just so happens a season later, the Others happen to think that Locke is special. There is definitely a connection there that cannot be ignored.

And one last thing, when Locke and Ben are in Jacob’s cabin, there’s a picture on the ground of the cabin that you might find interesting

http://bp1.blogger.com/_RrObyQ3XzcY/RkL0BJsh6_I/AAAAAAAAFWE/T6OCv8Ne0s0/s1600-h/dog2.jpg

I just kinda started thinking about this theory today while watching the first two pilots, and did not really think much about it, but at the end of Pilot 2 when Michael brings Vincent to Walt after Locke found the dog for him, the camera pans over to Locke watching Michael give the Vincent to Walt and there was this sinister stare on Locke’s face and it just solidified the theory to me.

Let me know what you guys think, and if there is another theory out there like this one that breaks everything down, then I guess I wasted my time

[tedies]

I forgot how fucking shitty AnaL was. Actually pretty happy Michael ended her run on the show :violent

[junior94]

Hey kiddies.... I know someone (sorry can't recall who) already reported the official date when LOST s3 will hit in DVD as being December 11th, but now thanks to EZTVefnet.org there are lots more details about the bonus features:

-Special interview with Matthew Fox
-Featurette titled "The World of the Others"
-Making-of documentary
-A peek at the multitude of literary references in the show

And then as has been the case with the first 2 seasons, there will be deleted flashback scenes, multiple audio commentaries, regular present time deleted scenes and bloopers (yay! I love these :D In my opinion they can never go too far with these, seriously for a show that I really love, I could probably watch a few hours of bloopers)

Now there was talk at first that s3 would also be released on Blu-ray, but this has since been debunked. There are no current plans for an HD-DVD release either, but that wasn't said there would be to begin with.
Personally I think that's a dumb move. Mind you I'm still plenty ways away from making the upgrade to either of the formats, and sure there aren't a ton of TV season box sets being put out in either Blu-Ray or HD, but given the kind of show LOST is and its place in today's culture, I really think if they were smart they'd jump on this sooner rather than later and help to lead the way, if you will. I'm sure a good chunk of the show's audience is in the higher paycheck bracket and would have one format already, if not that being like maybe a final motivator for you to make the plunge yourself.

I also frankly don't get why they're not yet broadcasting the show in widescreen. I mean I know they do for the HD channels (& they are on the DVDs obviously), but just even for "regular" TV, hell it's become common enough these days. "E.R." started it of course years ago by now, and I think most of their network show's (even sitcoms!) are shown in widescreen/letterbox. I'm really surprised both LOST and 24 haven't yet started to do that for the standard definition versions.

[junior94]

I forgot how fucking shitty AnaL was. Actually pretty happy Michael ended her run on the show :violent

Dude, told ya :p I've been watching all these s2 eps again and it's like I said, I was driving myself up a wall all over again at how much I couldn't stand her. And especially with how completely myopic he became, I pretty much grew to hate Michael as well.


And yo, JTRocks -- didn't you know, only I'M allowed to make 8 gazillion word posts around here!! :twak :p :lol

I'll look over your ramblings a little later. (and I'm assuming then you checked out my video)

[Talula62]

First things first, JTR. Vincent is a yellow lab, not a golden retriever. :)

Second... dude, that's a crazy theory. Very interesting and it all seems to make sense. It seems like most theories that include that "something in the first scene of the pilot is important" see the important thing as just Jack. Or Jack's eyeball. or Jack waking up, etc. As in, he'd been dragged off into the jungle and sleeper-agent-ized before he woke up from the crash or something weird like that.

[JimiThang1]

I also frankly don't get why they're not yet broadcasting the show in widescreen. I mean I know they do for the HD channels (& they are on the DVDs obviously), but just even for "regular" TV, hell it's become common enough these days. "E.R." started it of course years ago by now, and I think most of their network show's (even sitcoms!) are shown in widescreen/letterbox. I'm really surprised both LOST and 24 haven't yet started to do that for the standard definition versions.
It has to do with the way ABC and Fox broadcast HD. They both broadcast in 720p. NBC broadcasts HD in 1080i and with their SD widescreens they are just downconverting to 480i which is SD for the regular folk.

[JTRocks]

First things first, JTR. Vincent is a yellow lab, not a golden retriever. :)

Second... dude, that's a crazy theory. Very interesting and it all seems to make sense. It seems like most theories that include that "something in the first scene of the pilot is important" see the important thing as just Jack. Or Jack's eyeball. or Jack waking up, etc. As in, he'd been dragged off into the jungle and sleeper-agent-ized before he woke up from the crash or something weird like that.


Yellow lab, my mistake

Remember, Jack wasnt even originally planned to even make it past the first pilot. We saw what happened when the Others saw the plane crash, so who dragged Jack into the jungle then?

prove me wrong

[Talula62]

Yellow lab, my mistake

Remember, Jack wasnt even originally planned to even make it past the first pilot. We saw what happened when the Others saw the plane crash, so who dragged Jack into the jungle then?

prove me wrong

That's right! Well, that certainly problematizes those other theories. Which I never really got anyway because of what you're saying here - that's too fast to snatch him, do something to him, and put him back.

:lol Yeah, your theory is going to be hard to disprove. Unless we see them both at the same time. Part of me wouldn't like it though because I would be very sad to see a dog skeleton. :lorraine

[JimiThang1]

Alternate timeline...book it

[UNLTrpt]

Alternate timeline...book it

bah. I don't want it to be that. I'd rather it be some sort of conspiracy and set up.

[Talula62]

But does Alternate Timeline explain Smokie?

[junior94]

Second... dude, that's a crazy theory. Very interesting and it all seems to make sense. It seems like most theories that include that "something in the first scene of the pilot is important" see the important thing as just Jack. Or Jack's eyeball. or Jack waking up, etc. As in, he'd been dragged off into the jungle and sleeper-agent-ized before he woke up from the crash or something weird like that.

Ya know I do have to admit, it's always been sort of a slightly nagging thing in the back of my mind that it didn't quite make sense that Jack would've been thrown that far from the wreckage just naturally and still survived.

Because hell think about it, the way they portrayed it in the pilot, between the distance he covered between his spot and the open beach, and then from there to the actual wreckage, it looked like it could've been like almost 100 square yards or so.

Okay now I'll go and read JTR's super ass long theory :D

[junior94]

Btw, before I get into reading that though, I just got finished going over again the "Fire & Water" s2 episode of Charlie's where he's freaking out trying to baptize Aaron so everyone thinks he's using again, and I forgot about this one great line, and its delivery of course.
Charlie meets up with Locke in the jungle looking for some moral support, Locke asks him straight up if he's "using again".

CHARLIE: "Kate... saw a horse. Pretty much everybody's seen Walt popping up around the jungle by now, but oh with Charlie, it must be the bloody drugs!!"

:lol :lol Just especially the way he delivered those first couple beats about Kate and Walt, cracked me the hell up (though I realize it was still a very serious scene)


edit: anyone check out my new coolio sig tribute to the hobbit? I'm such a needy whore :D :D

[junior94]

Okay I lied, here's another thought before I get into that long theory. And actually I intended to post this a couple nights ago but I did so right at the site hiccup time in the middle of the night, it got lost and I never bothered to go back with it until now.

Anyway, I'm now kind of regretting including the Whispers among the sub-categories of the Others option in the poll, because I'm not at all convinced they're related. In fact (& I know Alli's gonna hate this... sorry, my dear :o ) given some of the transcripts I've read recently of some of the whisper scenes, I'm starting to wonder if they're not things being spoken by the dead, of all the many different people who've died on the island, that is.
Just for one example, the whole scene leading up to when the Tailies finally made it to the Losties camp and then Shannon was killed by AnaL, looking at those transcripts, I think a very fair argument could be made that some of the things being spoken could've been done so by Boone.

[JimiThang1]

But does Alternate Timeline explain Smokie?
Of course...smokey is the timeline :eek

[tedies]

Of course...smokey is the timeline :eek
:lol :mind blown

[ant_marching41]

CHARLIE: "Kate... saw a horse. Pretty much everybody's seen Walt popping up around the jungle by now, but oh with Charlie, it must be the bloody drugs!!"

:lol :lol Just especially the way he delivered those first couple beats about Kate and Walt, cracked me the hell up (though I realize it was still a very serious scene)

Thats one of my favorite Charlie lines. This one from season one is great too. I forget which episode, but its like at least 5 episodes after Sawyer shoots the polar bear.


Michael: Polar bear?
Charlie: Oh, you didn't hear about the polar bear?


Fantastic delivery. :lol

[tedies]

"Oh is that Ben? Its Charlie Pace, tell him I say hi".

[Talula62]

Anyway, I'm now kind of regretting including the Whispers among the sub-categories of the Others option in the poll, because I'm not at all convinced they're related. In fact (& I know Alli's gonna hate this... sorry, my dear :o ) given some of the transcripts I've read recently of some of the whisper scenes, I'm starting to wonder if they're not things being spoken by the dead, of all the many different people who've died on the island, that is.

Just for one example, the whole scene leading up to when the Tailies finally made it to the Losties camp and then Shannon was killed by AnaL, looking at those transcripts, I think a very fair argument could be made that some of the things being spoken could've been done so by Boone.
Uhh... you lost me. Why would I hate that? It sounds like a plausible explanation and a cool concept to me.

Of course...smokey is the timeline :eek:lorraine Brain hurts!!

"Oh is that Ben? Its Charlie Pace, tell him I say hi".:lol Oh yeah, I loved that. :thumbsup

[junior94]

"Oh is that Ben? Its Charlie Pace, tell him I say hi".

Exxxxxxcellent. :lol

Uhh... you lost me. Why would I hate that? It sounds like a plausible explanation and a cool concept to me.


Uhh... I seem to remember even getting an email after the Jacob episode, something like "Just a reminder... Allison hates ghosts!!" :D
So I kinda just figured voices from the dead sorta = ghosts.


I admit, I don't get this Smokezilla = Timeline thing AT ALL. :ugh

[JimiThang1]

I admit, I don't get this Smokezilla = Timeline thing AT ALL. :ugh
Come on it's way easy...the whole show is just flashes of Smokey's sucked in memories...like the flashes from Eko's past we saw. Once Smokey flashes you, you become part of the timeline thus the whole show. :D

[Talula62]

Uhh... I seem to remember even getting an email after the Jacob episode, something like "Just a reminder... Allison hates ghosts!!" :D
So I kinda just figured voices from the dead sorta = ghosts.
Oh, yeah, that's right. :lol And true, I don't really care for ghost stories.

Come on it's way easy...the whole show is just flashes of Smokey's sucked in memories...like the flashes from Eko's past we saw. Once Smokey flashes you, you become part of the timeline thus the whole show. :D
It's totally not way easy! :lol How did Smokey come to exist? What's his purpose actually supposed to be? And what does "you become part of the timeline" really mean? It flashes you and all of a sudden you're in an alternate timeline? How? Why?

[JimiThang1]

Oh, yeah, that's right. :lol And true, I don't really care for ghost stories.


It's totally not way easy! :lol How did Smokey come to exist? What's his purpose actually supposed to be? And what does "you become part of the timeline" really mean? It flashes you and all of a sudden you're in an alternate timeline? How? Why?
The show=Smokey everything we have seen is smokey's flashes.

[The-Last-Stop]

Anyone wanna hook up a fellow Loster with an Oink invite. I had one until I couldnt log in for a while due to workand such. My ratio was 1.4 and I would love to have an account again, I would not dissappoint. PM me.

-thanks

[Talula62]

The show=Smokey everything we have seen is smokey's flashes.
Discovered by the Germans in 1904, they named it "Smokey," which of course in German means "a whale's vagina."

Agree to disagree. ;) :lol

[JimiThang1]

I'm just making all this shit up...38 more weeks :lorraine

[snapmcd]

Useless tidbit: I was watching the second Zorro movie with Antonio Banderas this afternoon, and Ben (Michael Emerson, right?) is in it.

[Talula62]

Oh okay, Derek. I figured it was a theory people had already written about that I have yet to read. I've read some weird shit too, like a connection to Atlantis, something having to do with Egyptian myth, all this wild stuff. I am amused that there's a theory out there about Smokey being a genie.

Of course now I can't find those super-wacko ones. :rolleyes

[junior94]

Thought I had earlier, and I know this "mystery" is certainly WAY down on the list of priorities of what we want, but it's still never been explained exactly why Hurley took the nickname of that over his birth-given name of Hugo, right? I'm just thinking of that scene where he tells whoever it was that his name'sa actually Hugo, Hurley's just a nick, "but I'm not gonna tell you why".

Also I was just over on Amazon looking at the page for the preorder they've got set up already for the season 3 DVD, and reading over the first poster's overall review of this season. Now, I was aware that Eko wanted to leave the show early, and I know that Terry O'Quinn basically said in an interview in so many words that he was difficult to work with and an asshole, but ultimately I thought his leaving was more about then wanting to do other work. To read that poster's piece, apparently there was a LOT of talk that by far pretty much the primary reason he wanted to leave was because there was a major hatred between him and the rest of the cast, like I didn't realize it was to that degree. Nobody else could stand him, and vice versa. He went as far as giving the other actors very specific line readings and action direction within his scenes that they were none too appreciative of.

[JimiThang1]

Thought I had earlier, and I know this "mystery" is certainly WAY down on the list of priorities of what we want, but it's still never been explained exactly why Hurley took the nickname of that over his birth-given name of Hugo, right? I'm just thinking of that scene where he tells whoever it was that his name'sa actually Hugo, Hurley's just a nick, "but I'm not gonna tell you why".

Also I was just over on Amazon looking at the page for the preorder they've got set up already for the season 3 DVD, and reading over the first poster's overall review of this season. Now, I was aware that Eko wanted to leave the show early, and I know that Terry O'Quinn basically said in an interview in so many words that he was difficult to work with and an asshole, but ultimately I thought his leaving was more about then wanting to do other work. To read that poster's piece, apparently there was a LOT of talk that by far pretty much the primary reason he wanted to leave was because there was a major hatred between him and the rest of the cast, like I didn't realize it was to that degree. Nobody else could stand him, and vice versa. He went as far as giving the other actors very specific line readings and action direction within his scenes that they were none too appreciative of.
Yes the other cast members did not care for him much...but he did also leave to pursue a film project according to the EW article that came out when he left the show.

[JimiThang1]

Also is Ants loading slower for anyone else? just curious

[Talula62]

Oh Kevin, I know you gonna stop talkin shit about my boy, AAA.

[junior94]

Oh Kevin, I know you gonna stop talkin shit about my boy, AAA.

:lol

Shit yea I know, everyone pretty much loved the character, but hey when even super cool nice guy Terry O'Quinn even sorta throws him under the bus in public, you know the real guy must be an aggravation :p

[Talula62]

It wasn't just the character though. It's AAA. I can forgive him for bossing other people around because when he was on the show, sadly, it was at it's weakest. The whole Tailies saga was crap, IMO.

Okay not really but his portrayal of Adebisi from HBO's Oz redeems the man for any past and future douchebaggery, as far as I'm concerned. :lol

[junior94]

Continuing in my review of things of season 2....

I'm sure we probably talked about this before, but hell if I can remember. Hurley's episode with the imaginary Dave, when he finally sees the polaroid that the doctor took to convince him of this fact, what was in the picture looked practically nothing like the setting when it was took. There was another patient behind Hurley not seen (not Dave, obviously) and it was MUCH darker in the picture, almost nighttime, among other discrepencies between the two.

What was the general consensus about this, do you think it was nothing more than a bad production continuity error, or where they trying to say something with this?

[JTRocks]

I dont think its really a big deal, probably just a production error, either way, I just dont see anything else with Hurley playing out any further than it already has, other than the numbers


I just watched the first 2 eps of season 2 and when they showed Desmond in the Swan, you can see his washing machines, and those things are obviously from after 2000, and I dont see how they ever installed new washers/dryers at any point past the purge which we assume was around the early 90's/late 80's

Another thing that was probly just a production error, unless there is some way that it can be explained, which i doubt

[Bartender84]

Alternate timeline...book it
I REALLY don't want this show to use an alternate timeline.

Unless the alternate timeline involves zombies. In which case, hell yes :bounce

[dh4645]

Oh okay, Derek. I figured it was a theory people had already written about that I have yet to read. I've read some weird shit too, like a connection to Atlantis, something having to do with Egyptian myth, all this wild stuff. I am amused that there's a theory out there about Smokey being a genie.

Of course now I can't find those super-wacko ones. :rolleyes

sounds like Stargate

[dh4645]

Thought I had earlier, and I know this "mystery" is certainly WAY down on the list of priorities of what we want, but it's still never been explained exactly why Hurley took the nickname of that over his birth-given name of Hugo, right? I'm just thinking of that scene where he tells whoever it was that his name'sa actually Hugo, Hurley's just a nick, "but I'm not gonna tell you why".
.

probably something about blowing chunks

[junior94]

probably something about blowing chunks

Actually I wouldn't be surprised if that was the case. Over on the Fuselage.com some of the actors themselves post, and Jorge Garcia's official screenname is "ThinkImGonnaHurley" :D

Now then I'm almost finished with my review of season 2, I'm midway thru the finale right now. Hopefully the interaction that we saw with Danielle in this year's finale will put to rest that theory from some people I never subscribed to, that her and Ben were in on the "trapping" together. However, I think I've now seen something I never quite had before. I think that not only did Ben fully intend on getting captured in the net (obviously) but he intended on them finding the real Henry Gale in the grave too. I believe the ENTIRE thing was ALL about the end result, getting Jack to their location to do the surgery. Ben's such a mastermind he had this elaborate plan sketched out with so many steps, and it pretty much went off as he needed. All the middle stuff with Michael was just a means to an end.

Granted maybe I'm just naive and everyone else had that much figured out a long time ago. :p

[tedies]

Actually I wouldn't be surprised if that was the case. Over on the Fuselage.com some of the actors themselves post, and Jorge Garcia's official screenname is "ThinkImGonnaHurley" :D

Now then I'm almost finished with my review of season 2, I'm midway thru the finale right now. Hopefully the interaction that we saw with Danielle in this year's finale will put to rest that theory from some people I never subscribed to, that her and Ben were in on the "trapping" together. However, I think I've now seen something I never quite had before. I think that not only did Ben fully intend on getting captured in the net (obviously) but he intended on them finding the real Henry Gale in the grave too. I believe the ENTIRE thing was ALL about the end result, getting Jack to their location to do the surgery. Ben's such a mastermind he had this elaborate plan sketched out with so many steps, and it pretty much went off as he needed. All the middle stuff with Michael was just a means to an end.

Granted maybe I'm just naive and everyone else had that much figured out a long time ago. :p
:thumbsup The more I think about him get "captured" the more I know it was all part of his plans. The guy does nothing that is not thought out and I dont think that was any different. The guy has some balls

[JTRocks]

Yeah i mean, I always thought that he got captured on purpose, I just always questioned why he went and got trapped by Rousseau. There were a ton of other ways he could have purposely ended up getting captured by the Losties.

Didnt he possibly give any thought to the fact that Rousseau might kill him right there on the spot? I think that is why i always questioned the real relationship between Ben and Rousseau.

[tedies]

come on now guys I thought we were going to keep this on the front page. When I get back tonight Ill try to get a lost game started so we can keep it alive :hump

[ant_marching41]

I'll bring up something:

What's your favorite season one episode?

I love talking about old seasons, so it'd be cool to see what you guys thought.

[junior94]

Yeah i mean, I always thought that he got captured on purpose, I just always questioned why he went and got trapped by Rousseau. There were a ton of other ways he could have purposely ended up getting captured by the Losties.

Didnt he possibly give any thought to the fact that Rousseau might kill him right there on the spot? I think that is why i always questioned the real relationship between Ben and Rousseau.

I see where you're going, that's a fair point, that he could've very well been killed. BUT, as adapted as Danielle has gotten on the island, I'm inclined to believe if she'd wanted to kill him with that arrow, she would have no question. She merely wanted to put him down to control him momentarily, I think. So she aimed and shot where she knew she'd only hurt him.

Oh and for JTR -- sorry, all this time I've forgotten to respond to your elaborate Vincent/Smokezilla theory. And just a minor detail, but your'e mistaken on one point, it was the end of the 3rd ep of the season (Kate's flashback "Tabula Rasa" - it was the show that featured Joe Purdy's "Wash Away" song as the whole group montage, in fact that was where I discovered that guy in the first place. I also first discovered Damien Rice from this show, when they played "Delicate" at the end of the Jin & Sun episode) containing the scene where they finished on the shot of Locke giving Michael & Walt that supposedly sinister stare after being reuinted with Vincent. Which is the only reason why I question your thought that why do you think he purposely let Michael take the credit for finding Vincent, if it seemed he was gonna be resentful about it so immediately after?

Anyway, while I don't think I necessarily subscribe to the theory yet, I'm not sure you have too many holes in your logic, there's not a lot of ways of disproving what you say.

[junior94]

I'll bring up something:

What's your favorite season one episode?

I love talking about old seasons, so it'd be cool to see what you guys thought.

I said it back then and I think I still feel it now -- my fave s1 ep was "Hearts & Minds", and nooooo, not just because it was a Shannon one (& Boone) :p I thought it was great storytelling and directed very well. Although granted, it's still suspending quite a bit of disbelief of where/how Locke came up with that hallucenagenic drug he put on Boone, but I thought it made for a very powerful end scene with Boone & Locke, realizing none of what had just previously happened with Smokezilla was actually real.

Which actually reminds me of sorta a side point with the monster... I wonder why in the hell the Losties are always apparently safe from it when getting inside one of the bamboo circle thingies :shrug I mean we've seen that several times now.

[ant_marching41]

Which actually reminds me of sorta a side point with the monster... I wonder why in the hell the Losties are always apparently safe from it when getting inside one of the bamboo circle thingies :shrug I mean we've seen that several times now.
I watched this episode a few days ago, and I thought the same exact thing. Very odd how smokzilla doesn't seem to like any type of fence.

I'll get to the responce of my S1 question tomorrow.

[Talula62]

Oh and for JTR -- sorry, all this time I've forgotten to respond to your elaborate Vincent/Smokezilla theory. And just a minor detail, but your'e mistaken on one point, it was the end of the 3rd ep of the season (Kate's flashback "Tabula Rasa" - it was the show that featured Joe Purdy's "Wash Away" song as the whole group montage, in fact that was where I discovered that guy in the first place. I also first discovered Damien Rice from this show, when they played "Delicate" at the end of the Jin & Sun episode) containing the scene where they finished on the shot of Locke giving Michael & Walt that supposedly sinister stare after being reuinted with Vincent. Which is the only reason why I question your thought that why do you think he purposely let Michael take the credit for finding Vincent, if it seemed he was gonna be resentful about it so immediately after?
:ugh Say what now? I get that Locke gave a sinister stare but why would that relate to Smokey being Vincent? I'm slow this week so you must spell these things out for a girl. :)

[junior94]

:ugh Say what now? I get that Locke gave a sinister stare but why would that relate to Smokey being Vincent? I'm slow this week so you must spell these things out for a girl. :)

Aww heck, I"m used to that :p

No I only brought up the Locke connection because I thought JTR was using that in his overall point with Smokezilla=Vincent, and specifically that moment...


edit: Almost forgot, tonight at work I was browsing thru the new issue of the official LOST magazine, and in the reader mail part someone pointed out another possible character connection I'd never noticed. In Sawyer's flashback apparently as a kid, his mother calls his father "Wayne", but then also in Kate's, her mother makes a reference to Wayne knowing something about an insurance policy, and it said Kate made a direct mention of the name herself in island time. Same guy... ? Do you think IT COULD BE??? Sawyer & Kate end up being bro & sis??? :eek

[junior94]

And I'm not sure if anyone else has reported this here in the thread yet, but the official artwork for the s3 DVD box has been released...

http://www.lostpedia.com/images/6/6b/S3DVD.jpg


edit: Okay I'm a moron, Wayne couldn't possibly be the same guy in both cases. We saw how each died in their entirely own separate fashions.

[tosssweep]

And I'm not sure if anyone else has reported this here in the thread yet, but the official artwork for the s3 DVD box has been released...

http://www.lostpedia.com/images/6/6b/S3DVD.jpg


edit: Okay I'm a moron, Wayne couldn't possibly be the same guy in both cases. We saw how each died in their entirely own separate fashions.

Freaky little writing on the right side of the box: "Jacob loves you" :eek

Hopefully the release date moves up from Dec. 11.....

[UNLTrpt]

Freaky little writing on the right side of the box: "Jacob loves you" :eek

Hopefully the release date moves up from Dec. 11.....

:freak

no kidding.

Have we seen that phrase anywhere but on the brainwashing video?

[JTRocks]

http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1762834

[snapmcd]

http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1762834

:lol

[tedies]

http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1762834
:lol wow, I thought it was alot but jesus thats a shitload of sobs

[UNLTrpt]

:lol

that was great

[junior94]

http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1762834

Thanks JTR, I really could've used a laugh and that certainly brought one :)

But damn... I'd known he said it quite a few times, but I'd of never imagined he's said it THAT MANY times over the course of the 3 seasons. :eek

[ant_marching41]

:lol Son of a bitch that was funny!

[UNLTrpt]

I wonder if those are all ad libbed or they really did script him to say it all the time.

[JimiThang1]

:lol that's great!

[jguinan101]

I wonder if those are all ad libbed or they really did script him to say it all the time.

i'm going to go with a half and half theory on this one, lol. that clip was awsome i liked the one where he had the gag in his mouth, good stuff

[ant_marching41]

I wonder if those are all ad libbed or they really did script him to say it all the time.
My guess is both. :lol

[DMBand520]

All this talk about the Sopranos finale got me thinking about what the final episode of Lost will be like 3 years from now. Obviously no one can guess now what will happen b/c there are still 3 seasons left and new characters and plot twists will be introduced. I'm just wondering if it'll be possible to make an ending that will leave the majority of viewers feeling satisfied. It seems like if they wrap things up too nicely people will get mad and if they leave things too open ended people will get mad.

[GinaNMU]

Damnit I miss LOST!!

There is a void in my life every Wednesday night. Ugh.

[UNLTrpt]

All this talk about the Sopranos finale got me thinking about what the final episode of Lost will be like 3 years from now. Obviously no one can guess now what will happen b/c there are still 3 seasons left and new characters and plot twists will be introduced. I'm just wondering if it'll be possible to make an ending that will leave the majority of viewers feeling satisfied. It seems like if they wrap things up too nicely people will get mad and if they leave things too open ended people will get mad.

There is no doubt that the writers of lost know what they're doing and know where they're going. Now I'm not saying that the Soprano's writers didn't know what they were doing but everything in Lost so far has been for a purpose. Also, seeing the anger by Sopranos fans when they got a "open ending" you gotta think that if the Lost writers had anything like that they might reconsider some stuff.

[Gonzo#34]

i'm actually hopin for more of an open ending and i think they'll give it to us. Imagine if season 3 finale was actually the series finale but we already knew a few more answers. But hypothetically lets say we didn't know who was in the casket...people are still debating now who's in it. The fact with the sopranos is this. If they had whacked Tony people would either say "it was so predictable" or "wow i can't believe they killed Tony" but that would be it. Now The Sopranos is goin down in history as an ending that wasn't wrapped up and lets the fans decide what they want the end to be. i hope lost will end in a similarly amazing way.

[junior94]

I'm not really sure it's fair to compare the two, though. Mind you I haven't seen the finale SOPRANOS, actually as of less than a year ago I'd never seen a single episode, I ended up DLing the first five seasons and watched them all over like a two month stretch, and even now I'm only about 7 eps into the "first part" of season 6.... but it's much more of a straight up drama, at least in comparison to LOST which as well all know is significantly more of a mythology based story, a landscape with the backdrop of very elaborately laid out mysteries.

[JTRocks]

Yeah, theres way too much emphasis on the mysteries in a show like Lost to give it an open ending. They basically fuck with our minds every week, but we come back every week because we know the writers are gonna give us answers whether it be that week or a couple seasons later

[GLR87]

New lost on tomorrow right...

[ant_marching41]

god i wish there was...

I actually wouldn't mind if they decided to replay the season 3 episodes. It'd be better than the crap thats on tv instead.

[GLR87]

I hate the new shows that they put into it's spot they are nothing but shit.. where's invasion when you need it.

[GinaNMU]

Hey, check this out...


While "Lost" viewers will have to wait till next year to see the next TV episodes, Cuse and Lindelof said in the fall there will be a series of "Lost" mobisodes featuring the entire cast and rolling out first on Verizon Wireless and then probably appearing on ABC.com. They said they're keenly aware of the eight-month gap between last month's finale and the return of "Lost" at the beginning of next year.

"How do you keep the show alive in the minds of the audience in that time," Cuse said. They're also planning to go back to Comic-Con, where the show was launched, to address the season-three finale and what they had in mind.

Cuse said that the mobisodes, about 90 seconds each, will be able to give the hardcore "Lost" viewer more information that they probably weren't going to be able to get through the show itself. What it won't be, they said, was a mini-version of "Lost."

"It needs to be interesting enough and well produced enough that people feel they're getting enough bang for their buck, even if it's free, the bang for their time," Lindelof said.

Lindelof said the negotiations for the talent took a long time, but they wanted to make sure that all of them were involved in the mobisodes.

"Nobody wanted to see two people sitting on a beach that we've never heard of talking and saying, 'Hey, did you hear what Jack and Kate did today?' You want to see Jack and Kate. It's taken us three years to get those deals in place," Lindelof said.


http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/television/news/e3i40c53e11c19e214eb627b388db788b37

[newscane]

Hey, check this out...


While "Lost" viewers will have to wait till next year to see the next TV episodes, Cuse and Lindelof said in the fall there will be a series of "Lost" mobisodes featuring the entire cast and rolling out first on Verizon Wireless and then probably appearing on ABC.com. They said they're keenly aware of the eight-month gap between last month's finale and the return of "Lost" at the beginning of next year.

"How do you keep the show alive in the minds of the audience in that time," Cuse said. They're also planning to go back to Comic-Con, where the show was launched, to address the season-three finale and what they had in mind.

Cuse said that the mobisodes, about 90 seconds each, will be able to give the hardcore "Lost" viewer more information that they probably weren't going to be able to get through the show itself. What it won't be, they said, was a mini-version of "Lost."

"It needs to be interesting enough and well produced enough that people feel they're getting enough bang for their buck, even if it's free, the bang for their time," Lindelof said.

Lindelof said the negotiations for the talent took a long time, but they wanted to make sure that all of them were involved in the mobisodes.

"Nobody wanted to see two people sitting on a beach that we've never heard of talking and saying, 'Hey, did you hear what Jack and Kate did today?' You want to see Jack and Kate. It's taken us three years to get those deals in place," Lindelof said.


http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/television/news/e3i40c53e11c19e214eb627b388db788b37
Thank goodness I now have Verizon! :) Although I doubt I'll watch them on my phone, since I don't have VCast (it's a vcast capable phone, but I don't pay for it right now). I'll probably just watch online...

[UNLTrpt]

ok I'm starting back from the beginning tonight

[ant_marching41]

I was watching season one on tv-links, and i almost finished but Born to Run and Exodus 2 wasn't working :lorraine

[41ravens]

worried about a sopranos-like ending?

http://www.cnn.com/2007/SHOWBIZ/TV/06/14/television.lost.reut/index.html

i like the end part about nikki and paulo, too.

[tosssweep]

worried about a sopranos-like ending?

http://www.cnn.com/2007/SHOWBIZ/TV/06/14/television.lost.reut/index.html

i like the end part about nikki and paulo, too.

My only problem with the Nikki and Paulo arc was this: the powers that be for Lost listened to the public. We (collectively speaking) wanted to know what the other survivors were doing. They listened. Well, that could have ended up fine. But then Nikki and Paulo were just awkward and misplaced all the time. So we (the collective fanbase again) decided they sucked and we wanted them removed. So Lost listened again. Their ability to be influenced and controlled by their fickle fans just waters down their integrity. I think a strong reason why the last 5-6 episodes of Season 3 were so good is that the writers didn't have time to pay attention to the fans - they just told the story like they had always planned and only now are they observing our reactions, rather than write first, see if we like it, then alter the story as necessary.

[Talula62]

Yeah, I really think they have a much better idea of where exactly things are going than they did around/before their decisions about Nikki/Paolo. I think the fact that they were introduced at all was a mistake so their demise definitely doesn't translate into some obsessive Pine Barrens/The Russian thing. Of course that's fine, it's a completely different show, etc. My point is... I'd be surprised to see them off track like that again. They've learned their lesson about fan complaints!

[ant_marching41]

Yeah, I really think they have a much better idea of where exactly things are going than they did around/before their decisions about Nikki/Paolo. I think the fact that they were introduced at all was a mistake so their demise definitely doesn't translate into some obsessive Pine Barrens/The Russian thing. Of course that's fine, it's a completely different show, etc. My point is... I'd be surprised to see them off track like that again. They've learned their lesson about fan complaints!
"We buried them alive," Cuse said of Nikki and Paulo. "OK, you guys don't like Nikki and Paulo, there."


Razzle-dazzle that, bitches.

[UNLTrpt]

So in my quest to watch all the episodes again I got to confidence man tonight. Sawyer's first flashback.

You remember:
Shannon :hump has the asthma attack (damn I miss her)
They think sawyer has it.
Sawyer shows Kate his letter
Sayid tortures him.
Stabs him in the arm
He doesn't have it.

Remember at the end he's under the palm tree and he's about to burn his letter and I went :eek he burned his letter! then where did he get the letter that he showed to the real Sawyer? OMGSOMETHINGWEOVERLOOKED!

he didn't burn it.

don't mind me.

[JimiThang1]

My only problem with the Nikki and Paulo arc was this: the powers that be for Lost listened to the public. We (collectively speaking) wanted to know what the other survivors were doing. They listened. Well, that could have ended up fine. But then Nikki and Paulo were just awkward and misplaced all the time. So we (the collective fanbase again) decided they sucked and we wanted them removed. So Lost listened again. Their ability to be influenced and controlled by their fickle fans just waters down their integrity. I think a strong reason why the last 5-6 episodes of Season 3 were so good is that the writers didn't have time to pay attention to the fans - they just told the story like they had always planned and only now are they observing our reactions, rather than write first, see if we like it, then alter the story as necessary.
I think at the time when they started that arc at the beginning of the season was when they still didn't know how long the show was going to last and thus they introduced these characters with hopes of having them so they could tell their story down the line. Probably in the middle of the season though they got wind that they would only have 3 more seasons left thus due to that and listening to fans reactions they killed them off. The same goes for the reason why we got this finale now...they knew it would only be 3 more seasons so that's why we got this now.

[watchtower6991]

So i watched the numbers episode again the other day and i was wondering just how many of us on here have actually tried to play "the numbers" in the real lottery? I myself havent done it yet but ive been thinking about it. Just wanted to know!!

[JimiThang1]

So i watched the numbers episode again the other day and i was wondering just how many of us on here have actually tried to play "the numbers" in the real lottery? I myself havent done it yet but ive been thinking about it. Just wanted to know!!
A lot of people have played them nationwide...they have become pretty popular numbers to play supposedly so if you do win with those numbers (highly unlikely) then there will probably be hundreds of others who won as well.

[joepsu0985]

So i watched the numbers episode again the other day and i was wondering just how many of us on here have actually tried to play "the numbers" in the real lottery? I myself havent done it yet but ive been thinking about it. Just wanted to know!!
I have tried it. More than once. Just to fuck around.


I just got Season 1 ebayed to me. I tell you what, this show was fantastic from the start. Episode 3 really sets the mark. It says "hey these guys are here for the long haul" This may go down as the best written series in TV history

[TrippinBilliam]

I have tried it. More than once. Just to fuck around.


I just got Season 1 ebayed to me. I tell you what, this show was fantastic from the start. Episode 3 really sets the mark. It says "hey these guys are here for the long haul" This may go down as the best written series in TV history

Ok, I love Lost, and I hope I'm not flamed too bad for this, but don't you think thats going too far.

*runs out of thread*

[GinaNMU]

I have tried it. More than once. Just to fuck around.


I just got Season 1 ebayed to me. I tell you what, this show was fantastic from the start. Episode 3 really sets the mark. It says "hey these guys are here for the long haul" This may go down as the best written series in TV history

From what I personally have watched, it absolutely is IMO. I can't think of another show that I have been into that can beat the writing of Lost.

But again, from MY experience. I have not by all means seen a lot of what many consider "the best shows on tv."

[Talula62]

Ok, I love Lost, and I hope I'm not flamed too bad for this, but don't you think thats going too far.

*runs out of thread*
I'm with you all the way.

[JimiThang1]

I'm with you all the way.
:eek And what do you think is?

[Talula62]

:eek And what do you think is?
The Wire.

Though I can't pretend I understand everything involved in creating excellent writing. I'm no expert but I've watched a lot of shows from start to finish. As far as dramas go, The Wire, Six Feet Under... those are the tops, no question. I put them above The Sopranos.

[Talula62]

Don't get me wrong, I love the show. I ain't hatin! Honestly. My favorite show ever, that I like the most still is Alias and y'all know we've complained about Alias-related shit before. I may well end up liking Lost more than those other shows too!

[junior94]

Derek, are you telling me that you're comfortable with saying right now that LOST is genuinely THE greatest written TV show of all time? Just, going by how incredulous you seemed at Alli's reply, stands to reason... I must say, I find that a bit surprising.

I'm 100% with Alli and the original person who brought it up (sorry your name currently escapes me) I'm not at all prepared to say it's the tops of all time. Mind you I also can't say with any confidence what may be, but I know enough to say this show -- while obviously I completely adore it (hey I am the Official Lost Thread Guru, after all *ahem* :p ) is not yet deserving of such a place on a the mantle.

Let's not get carried away with ourselves, folks. Remember, we've seen no more than three seasons of show at this point (& lest we all forget how down we mostly got on the 2nd season overall, btw), and the span of "all time" in television history covers A LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT of ground. Let's just worry about enjoying the ride for now ;)

[JimiThang1]

Don't get me wrong, I love the show. I ain't hatin! Honestly. My favorite show ever, that I like the most still is Alias and y'all know we've complained about Alias-related shit before. I may well end up liking Lost more than those other shows too!
Yea I mean it's hard to judge now...hopefully once all is said and done we will look back and it will be brilliant at what they have done. Especially now that we see that yes they have planned this stuff from the beginning and they do know where they are going with this.

I need to download the Sopranos now that's it is over with. I watched the finale cause I came home and my parents have HBO now and nothing else was on. I was intrigued...pretty creative finale.

[JimiThang1]

Derek, are you telling me that you're comfortable with saying right now that LOST is genuinely THE greatest written TV show of all time? Just, going by how incredulous you seemed at Alli's reply, stands to reason... I must say, I find that a bit surprising.

I'm 100% with Alli and the original person who brought it up (sorry your name currently escapes me) I'm not at all prepared to say it's the tops of all time. Mind you I also can't say with any confidence what may be, but I know enough to say this show -- while obviously I completely adore it (hey I am the Official Lost Thread Guru, after all *ahem* :p ) is not yet deserving of such a place on a the mantle.

Let's not get carried away with ourselves, folks. Remember, we've seen no more than three seasons of show at this point (& lest we all forget how down we mostly got on the 2nd season overall, btw), and the span of "all time" in television history covers A LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT of ground. Let's just worry about enjoying the ride for now ;)
Oh no i'm not saying that...there have been other shows that have been written better...now one has to argue though with some of these shows that some seasons were better written than others. To me The Simpsons seasons 1-9 are probably the most consistently well written comedy shows of all time. And right now I can not think of a drama that has been consistently well written it's entire run. Yea there have been great seasons of some of these shows but none of them have been great throughout.

[junior94]

HOLY MOLY!! I just had a totally random detail hit me that I wonder if anyone else has ever brought up.

Okay we know that Libby was at the nuthouse at at least partially the same time as Hurley, seemingly as a patient, we just don't know why. When she had run into Desmond during his flashback prior to his race, she decides to give to him her dead husband's boat, the husband by the name of David.

Elsewhere in that nuthouse, and by the reveal we were shown someone at that same time we saw Libby was experiencing a rather signifcant moment, Hurley's imaginery best bud (he was having "his picture taken" by the staff shrink in an effort to convince Hurley he was in face imaginary), the imaginary friend by the name of Dave.

David=Libby's dead husband & boat owner
Dave=Hugo's invisible mental ward best buddy

Correlation?? :ugh

[newscane]

HOLY MOLY!! I just had a totally random detail hit me that I wonder if anyone else has ever brought up.

Okay we know that Libby was at the nuthouse at at least partially the same time as Hurley, seemingly as a patient, we just don't know why. When she had run into Desmond during his flashback prior to his race, she decides to give to him her dead husband's boat, the husband by the name of David.

Elsewhere in that nuthouse, and by the reveal we were shown someone at that same time we saw Libby was experiencing a rather signifcant moment, Hurley's imaginery best bud (he was having "his picture taken" by the staff shrink in an effort to convince Hurley he was in face imaginary), the imaginary friend by the name of Dave.

David=Libby's dead husband & boat owner
Dave=Hugo's invisible mental ward best buddy

Correlation?? :ugh
From Lostpedia (http://lostpedia.com/wiki/Dave)
Damon Lindelof: As to Libby’s ex, that’s an entirely different David we may or may not meet in the future.

[junior94]

From Lostpedia (http://lostpedia.com/wiki/Dave)

Ahh goddamnit :p
It had just especially hit me since we did find out for certain Libby was a patient in there, when I thought of it it seemed a bit too good to be true... oh well.

[JTRocks]

All this talk earlier about which show may or may not be the best written show in TV history. I think you would have to put Sienfeld up there. Each episode was constructed so well and it the show never got stale for 9 seasons. Larry David's writing always amazed me and its still amazing watching it on Curb today

[UNLTrpt]

All this talk earlier about which show may or may not be the best written show in TV history. I think you would have to put Sienfeld up there. Each episode was constructed so well and it the show never got stale for 9 seasons. Larry David's writing always amazed me and its still amazing watching it on Curb today

that's because it was stale from day 1

[TrippinBilliam]

The Wire.

Though I can't pretend I understand everything involved in creating excellent writing. I'm no expert but I've watched a lot of shows from start to finish. As far as dramas go, The Wire, Six Feet Under... those are the tops, no question. I put them above The Sopranos.

:lol When I saw his post, those were the first two shows that came to mind. The Wire and Six Feet are just incredible. I also love anything Sorkin. I am so pissed about Studio 60 and I don't think I will ever get over it.

[JimiThang1]

:lol When I saw his post, those were the first two shows that came to mind. The Wire and Six Feet are just incredible. I also love anything Sorkin. I am so pissed about Studio 60 and I don't think I will ever get over it.
WW 1-3 was Sorkin at his best...season 4 though he wrote himself into a wall and couldn't recover thus his leaving the show. And 5-7 weren't even him so...i'm talking consistency here, when it boils down to it there probably isn't a TV show ever that has had consistent writing through out.

[GinaNMU]

HOLY MOLY!! I just had a totally random detail hit me that I wonder if anyone else has ever brought up.

Okay we know that Libby was at the nuthouse at at least partially the same time as Hurley, seemingly as a patient, we just don't know why. When she had run into Desmond during his flashback prior to his race, she decides to give to him her dead husband's boat, the husband by the name of David.

Elsewhere in that nuthouse, and by the reveal we were shown someone at that same time we saw Libby was experiencing a rather signifcant moment, Hurley's imaginery best bud (he was having "his picture taken" by the staff shrink in an effort to convince Hurley he was in face imaginary), the imaginary friend by the name of Dave.

David=Libby's dead husband & boat owner
Dave=Hugo's invisible mental ward best buddy

Correlation?? :ugh

HA. Although no there is no correlation, I still think it's funny you brought this up b/c I JUST watched the Dave episode last night.

The boy and I are starting from the beginning this weekend. Again. GOD I miss Lost. :lol

[tosssweep]

My dvd player is broken! I have no way to re-watch Lost all summer long!! :( (unless I get another job sometime soon... sigh...)

[junior94]

My dvd player is broken! I have no way to re-watch Lost all summer long!! :( (unless I get another job sometime soon... sigh...)

I myself just got a new one this past week (my player had been very inconsistent for a long time, it finally 100% died), a Philips at Best Buy for $42. And the key factor I was looking for is the Divx compatability. I actually only discovered about a year ago that new DVD players were being able to do this (thru Alli, in fact) that I could take a data DVD I'd burned with videos -- as long as the videos were Divx encoded -- and put it in my standalone player and watch hte stuff on my regular TV, just like it was a normal DVD video disc. This is a HUGE thing for me, especially what with all the TV episodes and whatnot that I download.

[tosssweep]

I myself just got a new one this past week (my player had been very inconsistent for a long time, it finally 100% died), a Philips at Best Buy for $42. And the key factor I was looking for is the Divx compatability. I actually only discovered about a year ago that new DVD players were being able to do this (thru Alli, in fact) that I could take a data DVD I'd burned with videos -- as long as the videos were Divx encoded -- and put it in my standalone player and watch hte stuff on my regular TV, just like it was a normal DVD video disc. This is a HUGE thing for me, especially what with all the TV episodes and whatnot that I download.

That's sweet.

My position is this: I used to have a decent single-disc dvd player, but last fall for my birthday my parents bought me a 5 disc + surround sound setup. Very primo. Well, for the summer I'm living in a shitty house with people I don't know too well, so I sent the 5 disc dvd surround sound equipment back home with them. Then I tried to plug in my old dvd player and nothing happens. I don't need a $30 dvd player - I'll have the nice one in the fall when I move in to an apartment... but I want to watch LOST dammit!!!

Here's a wish of enjoyment to all of you re-watching S1 and S2 (and S3 ;)) !

[newscane]

I myself just got a new one this past week (my player had been very inconsistent for a long time, it finally 100% died), a Philips at Best Buy for $42. And the key factor I was looking for is the Divx compatability. I actually only discovered about a year ago that new DVD players were being able to do this (thru Alli, in fact) that I could take a data DVD I'd burned with videos -- as long as the videos were Divx encoded -- and put it in my standalone player and watch hte stuff on my regular TV, just like it was a normal DVD video disc. This is a HUGE thing for me, especially what with all the TV episodes and whatnot that I download.
My DVD player is working just fine... otherwise, I'd look at one that does Divx as well...

I finally picked up the last disc of S2 at the library... so I'll be watching the extras in the next day or two!

[junior94]

My DVD player is working just fine... otherwise, I'd look at one that does Divx as well...

I finally picked up the last disc of S2 at the library... so I'll be watching the extras in the next day or two!

The library... I totally forgot about the library. Can you "rent" DVDs for free from there? Like I remember YEARS ago discovering that you could borrow VHS movies for free, though obviously they didn't quite have a Blockbuster-sized selection.

Because I'm still trying how to figure out this "backing up" issue with my friend's s2 box set. I did it with all of s1 no problem, shrinking them and transferring each dual layer over to a single layer disc. But not one of the s2 discs are letting me, and it's not a matter of different/extra encryption or whatever. I'm not sure if simply trying a different set of discs would be a help or not... I'll break a disc down in Decrypter just fine, but as soon as I'm trying to get them into Shrink I get a message indicating "Invalid data in file (x)" and it's always one the biggest files too, one of the 1+gb sized .VOB ones. :shrug
I've even tried simply opening the disc itself directly in Shrink, bypassing Decrypter, but there it basically slows up and shuts down when analyzing the files.

[Talula62]

i'm talking consistency here, when it boils down to it there probably isn't a TV show ever that has had consistent writing through out.Derek. I am 95% with you. However, have you watched The Wire? Because regardless of your answer to that question, the answer is: WATCH IT. For reals. It wants you, Derek. It needs you...

:lol When I saw his post, those were the first two shows that came to mind. The Wire and Six Feet are just incredible. I also love anything Sorkin. I am so pissed about Studio 60 and I don't think I will ever get over it.Sweet. I will remember you. From what I've seen, there's only one other person on Ants who thinks like you and I. :lol

I myself just got a new one this past week (my player had been very inconsistent for a long time, it finally 100% died), a Philips at Best Buy for $42. And the key factor I was looking for is the Divx compatability. I actually only discovered about a year ago that new DVD players were being able to do this (thru Alli, in fact).Tha's right! Go me. And good news that they're $42. I have the Phillips too. Mine died about a year later, which blows, and I found posts on Amazon on the part you need to buy and replace in order to fix it, but for 50 bucks, I just bought a new one.

The library... I totally forgot about the library. Can you "rent" DVDs for free from there?:lol I just discovered the joy of the university library. Free DVDs.

[TrippinBilliam]

Sweet. I will remember you. From what I've seen, there's only one other person on Ants who thinks like you and I. :lol

:thumbsup I think I know who you are talking about. This site is wierd like that though. I will never understand everyones sick obsession with 24. I just finished the third season yesterday and I am done. I read the season 4 plot just to be sure, but yeah I am definately done with 24.

[JimiThang1]

Derek. I am 95% with you. However, have you watched The Wire? Because regardless of your answer to that question, the answer is: WATCH IT. For reals. It wants you, Derek. It needs you...
No I haven't...I know I probably should, I have too many HBO series I need to watch now (Sopranos, The Wire, Big Love, and season 2 of Rome).

[JimiThang1]

:thumbsup I think I know who you are talking about. This site is wierd like that though. I will never understand everyones sick obsession with 24. I just finished the third season yesterday and I am done. I read the season 4 plot just to be sure, but yeah I am definately done with 24.
Smart it's pretty much downhill from there...

[Talula62]

No I haven't...I know I probably should, I have too many HBO series I need to watch now (Sopranos, The Wire, Big Love, and season 2 of Rome).Well... someday maybe!

[junior94]

:thumbsup I think I know who you are talking about. This site is wierd like that though. I will never understand everyones sick obsession with 24. I just finished the third season yesterday and I am done. I read the season 4 plot just to be sure, but yeah I am definately done with 24.


Ahh, you're a smarter man than I. Probably said this here before, but I was so turned off by the second half of season 2 that I swore up and down I wouldn't come back to watch season 3. Then, as time heals all wounds all suppose, sure enough I came back :p I was downright ashamed to watch it at that point, I certainly didn't brag about it. Then they pulled their "huge shocking twist" towards the end of season 5 of the president being behind it all I said finally that's it, I've REALLY had enough this time. That bit of insanity was the last straw for me. So this past season 6 was the first season I didn't watch at all.

And well timed from what I gather, at the very end I heard out of nowhere Tony shows up alive and says to Jack "We've got a lot to talk about" or some shit? :lol :lol :lol Good lord you're joking, right? I mean these writers have absolutely no concept of anything even approaching real world logic. And to think, the LOST writers get a lot of shit about "making it all up as they go along"! I think the 24 producers literally have a giant dartboard in the writers room, and the twist of their wrist on a given day determines how the next 6 episodes of a given season will go :p

[JimiThang1]

No Tony didn't show up...it ended with Jack looking off in the distance contemplating suicide but then he pulled himself together....tick tock tick tock

[junior94]

No Tony didn't show up...it ended with Jack looking off in the distance contemplating suicide but then he pulled himself together....tick tock tick tock

Oh seriously? wow that's strange, I'd heard from SEVERAL people saying the last shot was a helicopter landing where Jack was standing and the door opens up and reveals a familiar face (this was how it was being described awhile back, before it was possibly even known at all who it would be) that Jack would be downright shocked to see, and saying the "We have a lot to talk about.."

So that scene didn't occur at all, even if it wasn't the very last scene of the "day"? And what you're telling me, that sounds like a pretty lame way to end the season, pretty anticlimactic. But then again, like we've said time and time again with even all of the major diehard fans of the show agreeing it was sucking big time this year... :rolleyes

[Talula62]

Jack Bauer contemplating suicide?? :ugh That doesn't sound very :twenty4 of him.

[JimiThang1]

Jack Bauer contemplating suicide?? :ugh That doesn't sound very :twenty4 of him.
Well he had just given up on the love of his life (Audrey) because she didn't know who he was anymore (the Chinese brainwashed her). He had nothing else to live for...but he sucked it up and looked off into the distance and tick tock tick tock.

[Talula62]

I see. Bauer sounds like a real wuss. I bet he's never strangled someone to death with a giant chain while exclaiming "son of a bitch!" 41 times.

[UNLTrpt]

I see. Bauer sounds like a real wuss. I bet he's never strangled someone to death with a giant chain while exclaiming "son of a bitch!" 41 times.

nor snapped anybody's neck with his arms tied behind his back.

[Talula62]

nor snapped anybody's neck with his arms tied behind his back.oh shit, yes!! SAyid>>>>>>>>>>>>Bauer

[dh4645]

i miss you LOST!!!!!!!

it's good i have the 4400, dead zone and psych to watch over the summer

[UNLTrpt]

So I'm watching season 2. Episode where Claire goes to look for the Staff.

Damn is she annoying.

[JTRocks]

this is somewhat loast related, lately at my house we have been going to the video store and trying to rent the worst horror movies we can find, so we found this one called "Santas Slay" starring former wcw star Goldberg as an evil santa and claire from lost was also a main character in it too

[junior94]

So for those of you who haven't seen or heard a single bit of any of this before, I've got something nice and meaty for you to chew on to make that 8 months go a little quicker ;) I've seen several people bring up the Lost Experience game over the last couple months, what was up with it, will they do it agian, etc.

I just ran into this by accident over at The Fuselage a few minutes ago. And I should say that while of course I knew what the whole game was just generally speaking, I never followed any of it.

http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showpost.php?p=1284479&postcount=2

If you go to the above post on the Fuselage's boards, it's filled with several links, and well it's all pretty much spelled out for you, but from the looks of it it's got a TON of info on the Experience (including links -- looks like Youtube based -- for every extra video that was shown in the game, including there's a good amount of stuff featuring Alvar Hanso directly himself). It also gives a further explanation of this Valenzetti Equation, the basis behind "the numbers".

[GinaNMU]

So for those of you who haven't seen or heard a single bit of any of this before, I've got something nice and meaty for you to chew on to make that 8 months go a little quicker ;) I've seen several people bring up the Lost Experience game over the last couple months, what was up with it, will they do it agian, etc.

I just ran into this by accident over at The Fuselage a few minutes ago. And I should say that while of course I knew what the whole game was just generally speaking, I never followed any of it.

http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showpost.php?p=1284479&postcount=2

If you go to the above post on the Fuselage's boards, it's filled with several links, and well it's all pretty much spelled out for you, but from the looks of it it's got a TON of info on the Experience (including links -- looks like Youtube based -- for every extra video that was shown in the game, including there's a good amount of stuff featuring Alvar Hanso directly himself). It also gives a further explanation of this Valenzetti Equation, the basis behind "the numbers".

Hey, Kevin can you clear something up for me quick? If we don't pay attention to/play the whole Lost Experience, are we like, missing out on anything from the show itself/don't have answers to some of the typical questions?

The whole lost experience thing pisses me off b/c it makes me feel like I'm missing out on something :lol

[JimiThang1]

Hey, Kevin can you clear something up for me quick? If we don't pay attention to/play the whole Lost Experience, are we like, missing out on anything from the show itself/don't have answers to some of the typical questions?

The whole lost experience thing pisses me off b/c it makes me feel like I'm missing out on something :lol
No you're really not...the only thing that is explained in it is that the numbers are factors in an equation that is used to save the world. From what is never explained but that is what they were used for by Dharma.

[UNLTrpt]

they have said that nothing in the games or anything else is relevant to the story. only filler.

[junior94]

Hey, Kevin can you clear something up for me quick? If we don't pay attention to/play the whole Lost Experience, are we like, missing out on anything from the show itself/don't have answers to some of the typical questions?

The whole lost experience thing pisses me off b/c it makes me feel like I'm missing out on something :lol

Yea pretty much what Derek and Dan have said. I mean it's a major rule of writing, if you need your audience to do anything past just one initial viewing of your piece to fully "get it", than you didn't do your job as a filmmaker. You have to be given enough information from that one viewing to reasonably figure it out otherwise it's just cheating. So you don't need this extra stuff, but those who want to partake in it, it just gives you a more fleshed out version. Just like with movies that you want to watch multiple times, sometimes even how a movie as promoted as "it'll warrant repeat viewings", that kinda thing, it's not that you NEED that second viewing in order to get the movie (or at least you shouldn't, maybe if you weren't paying attention as closely as you should have been you would need to, but that's not on the filmmaker, that's on you as the viewer), but another viewing might just give you a different perspective on the story, you can pick up little tidbits you missed the first time that just make the world in which the story takes place that much more enriched.

[GinaNMU]

I see, I see. So basically since I'm so smart and pick up on everything the first time so easily, I don't need a silly little helper site. ;)

[UNLTrpt]

so I was watching some of the extras from Season 2 and something really struck me. In the Phase 3: Conclusion part. Under Mysteries, Theories and Conspiracies they interview everybody and the fans what they think is going on. They talk to Lindelof right at the end and he says "the second half of season 3 we think is going to be incredibly exciting in terms of opening up the show in a whole new way that I don't think anybody sees coming."

I really chuckled at this line because I remember how we were all bitching and moaning and complaining how the show was going down hill and that it was getting stale during the 1st half on Season 3...they knew all along. That they were coming with some really strong stuff.

[Route_2]

Yea pretty much what Derek and Dan have said. I mean it's a major rule of writing, if you need your audience to do anything past just one initial viewing of your piece to fully "get it", than you didn't do your job as a filmmaker. You have to be given enough information from that one viewing to reasonably figure it out otherwise it's just cheating. So you don't need this extra stuff, but those who want to partake in it, it just gives you a more fleshed out version. Just like with movies that you want to watch multiple times, sometimes even how a movie as promoted as "it'll warrant repeat viewings", that kinda thing, it's not that you NEED that second viewing in order to get the movie (or at least you shouldn't, maybe if you weren't paying attention as closely as you should have been you would need to, but that's not on the filmmaker, that's on you as the viewer), but another viewing might just give you a different perspective on the story, you can pick up little tidbits you missed the first time that just make the world in which the story takes place that much more enriched.

I have a theory that most of this peripheral stuff will be revealed within the show over time, if the writers in fact deem it pertinent to the overall stroyline, which I think they will. We learned a lot about the Others (Hostiles) this season, but we didn't really learn that much about Dharma (except that they're a bunch of dead hippies), especially the leadership and origin, i.e. the DeGroots and Alvar Hanso. I think whoever is on that rescue ship are folks representing Dharma/Hanso/Widmore interests trying to get this valuable piece of real estate back under their control and that once this is revealed it will open the door to finding more out about them. This will include some of the info that was released through The Lost Experience.

[Talula62]

Random Lost sighting, of sorts: So, I'm teaching a 3000-level sociology research methods course this summer and I was sitting here reading part of a book to write a lecture. The author was talking about analyzing research data through story telling and writing up your research results through story telling. She totally talked about Lost for like half a page. Weirdness.

[junior94]

Actually before I go into why I'm posting here I must say, can't help but notice the last couple of parentheticals that have gone along with naming the nDMBc area still the "24um"... one might tend to think it reeks of overcompensation, as a psychoanalyst would call it. That a certain individual continually feels the need to go out of their way to remind us of this "fact". Much like, say, that type of guy everyone knows who feels the need to drive down the neighborhood street as quickly and loudly as humanly possible in their restored '84 Camaro.... :rolleyes


*ahem*





Aaaanyway, I call out to you Losties here in my Ants home thread, I need some help. I know quite a few of you are also Heroes fans as well, and I'm just not sure what to do. As I'd probably even stated in here a few times over the last several months, I'd never started watching the show at the proper start but eventually figured I'd simply wait until the whole 1st season was done, then go back and DL all of it and catch up on my own over a couple weeks. I know my brother's been into it ever since it began and he's pretty much equally into it as he is LOST. I'd heard what seemed like such good things for awhile, mostly provoking my idea, but I dunno... I can't recall exactly where they were now (maybe an EW critic or something, for one) but I just remember around the time shortly after the finale aired I think, I'd read a couple different pieces that were actually advocating the contrary, that the show was ultimately quite overrated, a dissapointment, not done very well, etc... take your pick.

And so, I just don't know what to do. Part of me is afraid that even if I'm not as high on it as so many others after completing the whole first season, but that I'll still be lured in enough by the mystery to want to hang on to satisfy certain curiosities. I mean the cool thing is that if I do go for it, at least now with my new DVD player and the Divx feature, I'll be able to watch all of those letterboxed HD-rips on my actual TV as opposed to my roughly 13.5" monitor :D but, I'm just trying to decide if it'll be worth all of that DLing and viewing time to catch up.

Thoughts?

[JimiThang1]

I say watch it...it had it's ups and downs and there really are some good episodes of it in the first season. It's not on the level of Lost but it's still a good watch. The reason why around the finale people were saying the contrary was because the finale was quite anti-climatic because they build up to this one big thing and then it just kind of faltered unfortunately.

[Talula62]

Yeah, the finale didn't measure up but I watched the whole first season in 2 days, Kev. Which I do with everything but if I wasn't sufficiently intrigued, I would have just watched a couple here and there over the course of a couple weeks.

Plus, they just cast an awesome guy on the show to play what I think may be the "Big Baddie" and it's David Anders, who played Sark on Alias, and who is totally badass.

And I shouldn't forget to mention how funny the show can sometimes be - Hiro is a riot.

[junior94]

I say watch it...it had it's ups and downs and there really are some good episodes of it in the first season. It's not on the level of Lost but it's still a good watch. The reason why around the finale people were saying the contrary was because the finale was quite anti-climatic because they build up to this one big thing and then it just kind of faltered unfortunately.

Yeah, the finale didn't measure up but I watched the whole first season in 2 days, Kev. Which I do with everything but if I wasn't sufficiently intrigued, I would have just watched a couple here and there over the course of a couple weeks.

Plus, they just cast an awesome guy on the show to play what I think may be the "Big Baddie" and it's David Anders, who played Sark on Alias, and who is totally badass.

And I shouldn't forget to mention how funny the show can sometimes be - Hiro is a riot.

Yea I recall stopping into the ALIAS thread recently (lord knows why) and I saw you were all excited about the Sark dude getting cast, you were sharing a link with the news with everyone. And just going by face recognition-wise, I know who you mean.

Hmm. Well, Derek while I most certainly respect and value your opinion, no doubt, I have to admit that alright, Alli my girl it's you who's sold me, you know me best out of anyone in here and knowing you how I do, and yea that you busted thru them so quickly, that officially seals it, I'm'a take the HEROES plunge. :D
(oooh reminds me, no I haven't forgotten about your asking me about the Sopranos in that email, I will be following up with ya on that ;) )


EDIT: oh and while I'm thinking of it, the schedule that their 1st season went by, am I remembering correctly or was it even stranger than LOST's 3rd season? That they told it in like three distinct "acts", taking not one (like LOST did) but two signficant mini-hiatuses? I feel like I recall hearing stuff in the news about that, and the big hypes for when they were going to return each time from the breaks. Will they repeat that for season 2, or are they following everyone else's lead and gonna maybe try playing the entire thing straight thru with no repeats?

[newscane]

Yea I recall stopping into the ALIAS thread recently (lord knows why) and I saw you were all excited about the Sark dude getting cast, you were sharing a link with the news with everyone. And just going by face recognition-wise, I know who you mean.

Hmm. Well, Derek while I most certainly respect and value your opinion, no doubt, I have to admit that alright, Alli my girl it's you who's sold me, you know me best out of anyone in here and knowing you how I do, and yea that you busted thru them so quickly, that officially seals it, I'm'a take the HEROES plunge. :D
(oooh reminds me, no I haven't forgotten about your asking me about the Sopranos in that email, I will be following up with ya on that ;) )


EDIT: oh and while I'm thinking of it, the schedule that their 1st season went by, am I remembering correctly or was it even stranger than LOST's 3rd season? That they told it in like three distinct "acts", taking not one (like LOST did) but two signficant mini-hiatuses? I feel like I recall hearing stuff in the news about that, and the big hypes for when they were going to return each time from the breaks. Will they repeat that for season 2, or are they following everyone else's lead and gonna maybe try playing the entire thing straight thru with no repeats?
Yeah, there was the usual winter hiatus, and then one from the end of February until mid-April. Since S60 was gone as well at that point, I had a lot of spare time on Mondays...

[Talula62]

So, has anyone heard about this "secret" movie that JJ and Drew Goddard are doing? Apparently the trailer plays before Transformers. Drew's writing it (he's written for Lost, like Man Behind the Curtain, and Alias, Buffy, and Angel).

Trailer: http://www.apple.com/trailers/paramount/11808/medium.html

IMDB: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1060277/

Weird.