LOST (the tv show)

[junior94]

Is anyone around here reading spoilers? I accidentally saw one but that's it. I'm almost fully reformed!! :angel

Nope no spoilers here

Wow. And to think they say addicts never change. Bravo, you two!! :monkey:lol

[hbktonyb]

No spoilers for me...

And I just hope that if they do film 6 episodes, they don't shrink the original storyline that was supposed to be 16 episodes!

[ant_marching41]

I just watched the episode again, and I just wanted to say that I loved when Ben said "Carl.. If you're gonna be sleeping with my daughter, the least you could do is call be Ben."

"Carl" :lol

I love Michael Emerson.

[Talula62]

Wow. And to think they say addicts never change. Bravo, you two!! :monkey:lolOops, I know two. But that's it man. No more.

:lol Yeah, I busted out laughing with that line from Ben too. He's so awesome. I hope he never dies. :lol

[ant_marching41]

Oops, I know two. But that's it man. No more.

:lol Yeah, I busted out laughing with that line from Ben too. He's so awesome. I hope he never dies. :lol
Amen to that. But he sure is asking for it. He's getting the shit kicked out of him. :lol

I think the writers are thinking "Ok, so who does Ben piss off this week?"

[junior94]

No spoilers for me...

And I just hope that if they do film 6 episodes, they don't shrink the original storyline that was supposed to be 16 episodes!

Nah, I'd highly doubt it. At the same time, if they do in fact get the ability to do 6 more tacked onto the initial idea of 8, I realized that'd be awfully awkward. Think about it, so have 14 total episodes run in concecutive weeks, but then take however long of an extended break, only to return later with 2 more episodes? If this is all the case I'd hope they just choose to do the last week or two with a 2 hour version, just play 2 new eps back to back on the same night, like they did last May with the finale.

[hbktonyb]

^Agreed

[cryfreedom4136]

So I thought I would share my theory on the Oceanic 6... I think all 6 will be people that "lost someone" on the island. So this would mean a couple things namely being that Juliette and Sawyer will die on the island, and that would make 2 more of the Oceanic 6 known. One being Sayid who lost Shannon, and Claire who last Charlie...

[@drian]

:lorraine This thread is so slow on the weekdays and that makes me sad.

[soprano15104]

It still makes me mad that they killed off Charlie's character. He was my favorite one. I am curious about this whole time traveling thing they are going to do this year.

[@drian]

It still makes me mad that they killed off Charlie's character. He was my favorite one. I am curious about this whole time traveling thing they are going to do this year.

He was cool for awhile and then he got highly annoying, I'm glad he's dead. It's almost as if they were writing him to be a total douche bag so we wouldn't mind when they killed him off.

[Talula62]

Ouch, that was way harsh, Ty. I was definitely annoyed with Charlie for a while (not for being a douchebag though) but I miss him too.

The only good thing about Charlie dying is no more Claire and Charlie. I don't like that bitch :lol Down with Claire and bring back Charlie, I say!

[@drian]

Ouch, that was way harsh, Ty. I was definitely annoyed with Charlie for a while (not for being a douchebag though) but I miss him too.

The only good thing about Charlie dying is no more Claire and Charlie. I don't like that bitch :lol Down with Claire and bring back Charlie, I say!

Why are you calling me Ty?

[Talula62]

Why are you calling me Ty?
Cuz I do what I want.

No, I was just quoting Clueless.

[Panther41]

The Oceanic 6 will be Kate, Hurley, Jack, Sawyer, Claire & Aaron.

If not Claire & Aaron, then Locke (unwillingly) and Alex.

[joepsu0985]

The Oceanic 6 will be Kate, Hurley, Jack, Sawyer, Claire & Aaron.

If not Claire & Aaron, then Locke (unwillingly) and Alex.

I think Sayiid gets off.

Locke gets off but he is in the casket.

[junior94]

[quote=Talula62;7091858]The only good thing about Charlie dying is no more Claire and Charlie. I don't like that bitch :lol Down with Claire and bring back Charlie, I say![quote]

Sheeesh! What did poor little Claire ever do to you? :p


To the poster above me, btw, you can't do both a quote of someone AND a proper spoiler tag in the same post.


Speaking of spoilers, I referenced this earlier, but if anyone wants to read this, I'm gonna lay out again the names of whom I'm 99.5% positive are the official "Oceanic 6"


Jack, Kate, Hurley, Sayid, Sun & Jin

[Talula62]

Sheeesh! What did poor little Claire ever do to you? :p Shout MY BABY!!! 27 times too many. :lol

[@drian]

Shout MY BABY!!! 27 times too many. :lol
Per episode, no less.

[junior94]

Shout MY BABY!!! 27 times too many. :lol

I think I'd still rather have that than...

They. Took. My. Son! Right out of my HANDS!!

I am gonna GET my boy BACK!!

WAAAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLTTTTTTTT!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:lol

[JimiThang1]

Speaking of spoilers, I referenced this earlier, but if anyone wants to read this, I'm gonna lay out again the names of whom I'm 99.5% positive are the official "Oceanic 6"

Wow I was right...go me. All the signs pointed to those anyways.

[Talula62]

Equally annoying, yes. However, that guy has been awesome enough on film in the past that he gets a bit of a pass. For me.

Nah, that's not the Oceanic 6. Unless Kevin's been reading spoilers now. I mean, I'm guessing. But why are you so sure, Kev?

[junior94]

Equally annoying, yes. However, that guy has been awesome enough on film in the past that he gets a bit of a pass. For me.

Nah, that's not the Oceanic 6. Unless Kevin's been reading spoilers now. I mean, I'm guessing. But why are you so sure, Kev?

I might've said this before, but I have this really strong memory that I read it somewhere, only I can't remember where. Whether an interview with someone specific, or a general thing about the show, I'm not sure. I just recall thinking that it seemed they pretty well spelled it out. But it definitely wasn't a situation where I was out on the prowl for spoilers or anything.

What makes you doubt they're the 6?


edit: I just remembered, there's another reason too, why I think it's those 6 people. Which, if it's correct, then I have to admit I'd kinda be deserving of catching some flack. I just hadn't connected the dots at the time.

[JorgeCavos]

WOW. I just read some spoilers about the next two episodes cause i'm the most impatient fuck ever, plus I love Lost. SO- for anyone else who wants to discuss with me...

In the next episode, we find out that Sayid becomes a killer for Ben in the future. CRAZINESS.

The episode after that was very detailed. It's a Kate flash forward episode and the flashes take you to her in court. Her lawyers tell her they don't want to, but they'll use her son (THAT'S RIGHT- her SON) as leverage in the case. Jack testifies that she saved him and 4 others, and that's why they were rescued, because Kate was the hero. The judge asked if he loved the defendant and he said "No. Not anymore"

Back in the present on the island, she told Sawyer she was pregnant. They have a steamy night, the next morning she told him she wasn't pregnant. Sawyer told her to stop bouncing around between him and Jack and she slaps him. They're over.

Back in the future, her mom didn't testify against Kate and she got off with probation. She returned home and the babysitter/caretaker person told her that "he's asleep upstairs". She goes up to see the baby and its a little blonde boy....the episode ends with Kate saying "Hey Aaron."

:eek

[Talula62]

Ummmmmmmm, hey, Jorge? You totally fucked that post up, dear. Might wanna fix it before everyone loses their shit in here.

[@drian]

WOW. I just read some spoilers about the next two episodes cause i'm the most impatient fuck ever, plus I love Lost. SO- for anyone else who wants to discuss with me...

In the next episode, we find out that Sayid becomes a killer for Ben in the future. CRAZINESS.

The episode after that was very detailed. It's a Kate flash forward episode and the flashes take you to her in court. Her lawyers tell her they don't want to, but they'll use her son (THAT'S RIGHT- her SON) as leverage in the case. Jack testifies that she saved him and 4 others, and that's why they were rescued, because Kate was the hero. The judge asked if he loved the defendant and he said "No. Not anymore"

Back in the present on the island, she told Sawyer she was pregnant. They have a steamy night, the next morning she told him she wasn't pregnant. Sawyer told her to stop bouncing around between him and Jack and she slaps him. They're over.

Back in the future, her mom didn't testify against Kate and she got off with probation. She returned home and the babysitter/caretaker person told her that "he's asleep upstairs". She goes up to see the baby and its a little blonde boy....the episode ends with Kate saying "Hey Aaron."

:eek

Man you really fucked that up. Nermind I guess you fixed it.

[JorgeCavos]

ITS FIXED!

Chill, I was trying to fix it from the second it was posted but Ants was acting retarded...

[@drian]

I just kind of had this idea that the Island is going though cycles and Locke and his new crew are gradually becoming a new set of "others".

[@drian]

ITS FIXED!

Chill, I was trying to fix it from the second it was posted but Ants was acting retarded...

Chill? You might want to preview your spoiler tags before you post 5 paragraphs worth of information that most people don't care to read.

[junior94]

Chill? You might want to preview your spoiler tags before you post 5 paragraphs worth of information that most people don't care to read.

Yea not to pile on, but I have to agree. If you're posting THAT MANY spoilers and onces that significant (I wasn't on here at the time so thank god I didn't see any of it), I'd say it'd be a really good idea to go ahead and preview the post before you actually submit it.

And dude, I realize you didn't intentionally do it, but don't be surprised that people would be pissed just the same. So you can leave off telling people to "chill".

[JorgeCavos]

I'm not surprised people were pissed, if I saw someone put nuabhkmaslbvhmksbnk,mnvkmhjkb,hagiv,iguh,asmiougmi aub BUNCH OF SHIT THAT RUINS EVERYTHING, i'd be pissed too.

I'm just saying the very first thing I realized it upon it being posted was that it was wrong and it was my first intention to keep it private, but then Ants started acting whacky and slowed down and as soon I was able to fix it, I did.

[smeritt]

Well good thing I don't read spoilers.

[GinaNMU]

I don't get how people can be so tempted to read spoilers. The best part of Lost for me is the surprise factor. If I knew everything that happened in future eps, what's the fun in that??

[hbktonyb]

I don't get how people can be so tempted to read spoilers. The best part of Lost for me is the surprise factor. If I knew everything that happened in future eps, what's the fun in that??

:thumbsup I don't get it...

[cryfreedom4136]

The Oceanic 6 will be Kate, Hurley, Jack, Sawyer, Claire & Aaron.

If not Claire & Aaron, then Locke (unwillingly) and Alex.

Alex can't be in the Oceanic 6, she wasn't on the plane... she could get off the island,b ut should wouldn't count in the 6....

[GinaNMU]

http://www.buddytv.com/articles/lost/lost-carlton-cuse-says-season-16558.aspx

:( Looks like we may be short 3 eps, guys. The writers seem to have it under control though... I suppose it can be way worse, right?

[Talula62]

Squeezing 8 episodes into 5 worries me, I'll admit, but I think things are moving fast enough right now to be confident that it'll be fine.

[@drian]

FTA:

"It is possible that they won't get the five extra they're hoping for finished. But, in possibly bigger news, Cuse said that they will end season 4 how they originally planned, which means that the season 4 story arc will have to be condensed."

That is horrible news.

[clayj41]

Stupid writer's strike...:BANG

[junior94]

I would MUCH rather that they stuck with the 8 episode plan as it was when the strike started, then took a few months off, then came back premiering in September with the remaining 8 episodes, to still get the full 16. Them having to condense so much gives me concern.

I just hope they're not motivated to do this because they're assuming fans want as many episodes as possible in the immediate future. I'd definitely accept the break to get a full 16.

It's one thing that the strike was changing the timeframe in which we were being told the story. Now the strike is changing the way the story itself is being told, THAT bums me out, just even as a writer myself that's a sucky prospect. You have to significantly alter a carefully laid out plan now.

[@drian]

I would MUCH rather that they stuck with the 8 episode plan as it was when the strike started, then took a few months off, then came back premiering in September with the remaining 8 episodes, to still get the full 16. Them having to condense so much gives me concern.

From that article it sounds like whether they have 8 or 16 episodes the finale will be the same. After waiting so long to only get 8 episodes is kind of a kick in the nuts.

[joepsu0985]

I would MUCH rather that they stuck with the 8 episode plan as it was when the strike started, then took a few months off, then came back premiering in September with the remaining 8 episodes, to still get the full 16. Them having to condense so much gives me concern.

I just hope they're not motivated to do this because they're assuming fans want as many episodes as possible in the immediate future. I'd definitely accept the break to get a full 16.

It's one thing that the strike was changing the timeframe in which we were being told the story. Now the strike is changing the way the story itself is being told, THAT bums me out, just even as a writer myself that's a sucky prospect. You have to significantly alter a carefully laid out plan now.

Honestly I trust the LOST writers a lot. They have been pure genius and I'm sure there are somthings in the upcoming episodes that won't really get alot of attention as we move on. Palo and Nikki are an example. As of right now, the flashbacks aren't really tied together from character to character. So they can do anythign with any new ones as we have background on pretty much every character. I think they will be fine. I don't think we will know the difference. We also have to face the facts that it may be near impossible for them to answer all the questions in this show.

[@drian]

Losing 8 episodes out of 48 is a real loss. I hope to hell everyone over at ABC realizes this and decides to not fuck us.

[Talula62]

Losing 8 episodes out of 48 is a real loss. I hope to hell everyone over at ABC realizes this and decides to not fuck us.
Am I missing something? They're gonna make 5 more for Season 4 and that means we're losing 3, not 8, right?

Oh, yes, I am missing something. Yeah, they really shouldn't pull a Heroes here. But hopefully they can at least get a few more done. Otherwise, they should just calm the eff down and put out the other 8 at another time instead of rushing it.

[junior94]

Okay I don't exactly know what this means, but it sounds like losing those 3 eps might not necessarily be already a foregone conclusion. Lindelof gave part of an interview to an MSNBC article. (see especially the bolded text)


“But we very much want to come back and do as many episodes as possible,” said Lindelof, who then listed a few issues that first need to be settled.

“How many episodes can best serve our story? And what are the production realities?” He noted that the shooting facility in Hawaii, 2,500 miles from his Los Angeles office, had been shuttered since Thanksgiving. The crew has dispersed, the huge cast has scattered.

The first new post-strike episode of “Lost” could possibly be ready for broadcast the week after episode eight appears, he said. There likely would be three or four more after that.
Could there be even more?

“I’d be surprised if the network wanted to air episodes deep into the summer,” he said. But if all the pieces fell into place, “Lost” fans would be blessed: “I don’t see why we couldn’t deliver all eight remaining episodes.”
That kind of zeal should warm viewers’ hearts. Lindelof and the rest of TV’s creative community seem delighted to be back.

[GinaNMU]

Honestly I trust the LOST writers a lot. They have been pure genius and I'm sure there are somthings in the upcoming episodes that won't really get alot of attention as we move on. Palo and Nikki are an example. As of right now, the flashbacks aren't really tied together from character to character. So they can do anythign with any new ones as we have background on pretty much every character. I think they will be fine. I don't think we will know the difference. We also have to face the facts that it may be near impossible for them to answer all the questions in this show.

:thumbsup Couldn't agree more w/ all of this. I really don't think we have any reason to flip out over 3 eps. They'll pull it off beautifully I'm sure...

[@drian]

Couldn't agree more w/ all of this. I really don't think we have any reason to flip out over 3 eps. They'll pull it off beautifully I'm sure...

I don't think many in here are flipping out over losing 3 episodes, I was flipping out over potentially losing 8.

[JimiThang1]

We'll be getting the 3 they don't produce next season for a full season of 19 episodes...the full order for Lost when they struck that deal was 48 episodes...we'll be getting 48 episodes of Lost when all is said and done.

[@drian]

We'll be getting the 3 they don't produce next season for a full season of 19 episodes...the full order for Lost when they struck that deal was 48 episodes...we'll be getting 48 episodes of Lost when all is said and done.

Source?

[junior94]

We'll be getting the 3 they don't produce next season for a full season of 19 episodes...the full order for Lost when they struck that deal was 48 episodes...we'll be getting 48 episodes of Lost when all is said and done.

Yea I have to say I'm wondering on your source too, Derek. I mean I've already heard PLENTY of fans online champion this idea as a way to still retain the overall total, but I've not seen anything official from Darleton camp (past that quote that i posted from Damon).

[smeritt]

Yea I have to say I'm wondering on your source too, Derek. I mean I've already heard PLENTY of fans online champion this idea as a way to still retain the overall total, but I've not seen anything official from Darleton camp (past that quote that i posted from Damon).I think what he is getting at is contracts. You can't just scrap 3 episodes and not have someone pay for it, it's in contracts.

Is that what your getting at derek? Lol

[JorgeCavos]

Can someone explain to me what 8 episodes youre talking about missing? If they do 5 more to cap off the season that leaves 3...

[hbktonyb]

16 total was supposed to be this year...they have 8 filmed, so 8 remain...

[junior94]

I think what he is getting at is contracts. You can't just scrap 3 episodes and not have someone pay for it, it's in contracts.

Is that what your getting at derek? Lol

Well yea okay that makes perfect sense in theory, the thing it just leaves me wondering is why they didn't reiterate that point in their statements. Because the obvious reaction from fans would be (and IS) this panic that we'll lose 3 shows from the overall series, so if this were the case I'd just think that Cuse would say "Yea we can only wind up doing 13 episodes for this current "season" because of the strike, but don't worry, it'll still be a total of 48 that we'll do over these 3 years."

See what i mean?

[junior94]

So having the s3 DVDs now in my possession and copying them for.. uhhh... backup purposes... yea... for safety reasons... :rolleyes But so I'm skimming thru the episodes to quality check, and looking at the ones once the Others let them go and they head back to camp, it's like I'm getting pissed off at Jack all over again for suddenly being so blindly loyal to Juliet and doing things like bossing Sayid around :D

[junior94]

Alright I'm the triple poster loser for the day :p

Didn't they say that ALL the bits of "Missing Pieces" that they shot were entirely newly produced scenes? Because now I'm watching the s3 premiere with the commentary (Lindelof & Mitchell), and they mention there was a small scene from the start that they shot for the premiere but ended up cutting it out. The material they're describing was "The Envelope" episode from the Missing Pieces, and the reveal, the "problem" she was talking about to the older lady was the xray film of Ben's, that's what she was going to pull out.

So I wonder how many others were just deleted scenes.

[@drian]

Can someone explain to me what 8 episodes youre talking about missing? If they do 5 more to cap off the season that leaves 3...

From what I've read (there was an article posted in here a few posts ago) there is no certainty of doing 5 more episodes this season.

http://www.buddytv.com/articles/lost/lost-carlton-cuse-says-season-16558.aspx
...it is possible that they won't get the five extra they're hoping for finished. But, in possibly bigger news, Cuse said that they will end season 4 how they originally planned, which means that the season 4 story arc will have to be condensed.

Obviously, this is going to make those final five (or four, or three) season four episodes riveting television, but I worry how this might negatively effect the future of the series. I had assumed that Lost would attempt to make up their strike-sacrificed episodes in season five and/or season 6, but now that doesn't look to be the case. With Cuse proclaiming that the season 4 story will end as originally prescribed, I think we have to then assume that they have no intention of making up the lost (pun intended) episodes in the future.

[@drian]

Evangeline Lilly is on Letterman right now.:hump

[tgg5014]

Evangeline Lilly is on Letterman right now.:hump

Haha I was just going to see if anyone was watching her. It was funny when Dave asked if they had opened the hatch yet.

[junior94]

It's funny, I was thinking earlier that generally speaking in my life, I really kinda dig when a cute girl is dressed more down than usual, actually looks a bit roughed up, dirty, just not all formal and cleaned up. Girls can look so damn sexy in the simple tshirt and sweatpants look.
But then with Kate, the only times I've ever found her really attractive is when she IS totally cleaned up, then I think she's smoking hot.
Here in the wedding dress she looks as adorable as can be.

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b160/junior94/katwed.jpg

And speaking of Letterman, I remember when she was on during either last season or season 2, and man she looked so good I practically wanted to jump thru my TV and grab her :D

[JorgeCavos]

I think Kate looks damn good on AND off the island

[clayj41]

I think Kate looks damn good on AND off the island

:thumbsup I love her either way!

[tgg5014]

I think Kate looks damn good on AND off the island

Ha my friends and I have had this debate a lot. I think she looks better on island without makeup and stuff. My roommate thinks she looks better all dolled up. Matter of opinion I suppose.:babe

[@drian]

It's funny, I was thinking earlier that generally speaking in my life, I really kinda dig when a cute girl is dressed more down than usual, actually looks a bit roughed up, dirty, just not all formal and cleaned up. Girls can look so damn sexy in the simple tshirt and sweatpants look.
But then with Kate, the only times I've ever found her really attractive is when she IS totally cleaned up, then I think she's smoking hot.
Here in the wedding dress she looks as adorable as can be.

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b160/junior94/katwed.jpg

And speaking of Letterman, I remember when she was on during either last season or season 2, and man she looked so good I practically wanted to jump thru my TV and grab her :D

That like the reverse Survior effect, I swear to god the women on Survivor look much better while surviving then they do all dolled up for the reunion show.

[UCFish]

Kate is a hottie either way/ My opinion of course.

[junior94]

That like the reverse Survior effect, I swear to god the women on Survivor look much better while surviving then they do all dolled up for the reunion show.

Yea again, it seems way more often than not I prefer girls simple and not wearing too much makeup, but Kate's usual roughed up look on the island doesn't really do much for me at all.

Though even when Shannon was lookin all haggered it still got me tight in the boxers :D

[ant_marching41]

My friend and I have had several different discussions on the women of lost.


We agreed that we would make slow hot passionate love with off-island Kate, but we would just bang the shit out of on-island Kate.

But in general, we concluded that you'd "fuck" Kate and "make love" with Juliet.

[UCFish]

My friend and I have had several different discussions on the women of lost.


We agreed that we would make slow hot passionate love with off-island Kate, but we would just bang the shit out of on-island Kate.

But in general, we concluded that you'd "fuck" Kate and "make love" with Juliet.

Juliet has those compassionate eyes.

BUT could you trust her??

[ant_marching41]

Juliet has those compassionate eyes.

BUT could you trust her??
I looove her eyes. And her little smirk.


Oh, and I'd rather trust Juliet than Kate.

Love triangle anyone?

Well with me in the picture, I suppose it would be a love square situation.

[UCFish]

Sandwich???

[ant_marching41]

Sandwich???
Juliet-me-Kate?


Yeah, I guess that could work...

[junior94]

My friend and I have had several different discussions on the women of lost.


We agreed that we would make slow hot passionate love with off-island Kate, but we would just bang the shit out of on-island Kate.

But in general, we concluded that you'd "fuck" Kate and "make love" with Juliet.

You'd have to search for it, but there was a poll thread made for all the LOST women during the 2nd season. So like Shannon's included in there but Juliet isn't (a poll for the guys for that matter, too).

Juliet's another one that I'm not into. I mean I recognize that she's generally attractive to many people, she just doesn't do anything for me whatsoever.

[ant_marching41]

You'd have to search for it, but there was a poll thread made for all the LOST women during the 2nd season. So like Shannon's included in there but Juliet isn't (a poll for the guys for that matter, too).

Juliet's another one that I'm not into. I mean I recognize that she's generally attractive to many people, she just doesn't do anything for me whatsoever.
Yeah i remember that thread. But if there's going to be an intellectual discussion and debate on the hotness and do-ability of the Lost women, it should take place right here.


And I get what you're saying with Juliet. Some dig her, some don't.

[UCFish]

I like her for that mysterious aspect.

[hbktonyb]

tvguide.com - To recap this article, they will produce 5 new episodes to air in May. There will be about a 4 week hiatus between the last episode of this season (in 5 weeks) and the first new episode of the 5. The will wrap up this season in these 13 episodes, so essentially we will be losing 3 episodes. They do not plan on cutting three episodes from the series, however. They will produce 3 addional episodes in future seasons, so after this season there will be 35 lost episodes left.

Exclusive: Lost Boss Outlines Revised Season 4 Plan


Lost by Mario Perez/ABCMake no mistake, out of all the shows whose fate has been left dangling in the wind by the just-concluded writers' strike, the one we're most concerned about is Lost. Good thing, then, that the sixth fifth fourth third second first call Lost executive producer Carlton Cuse made after meeting with ABC execs this evening to finalize the new plan for Season 4 was to, yep, you guessed it, Variety Hollywood Reporter Entertainment Weekly Golf Digest Mac Addict me!

Welcome back!
Carlton Cuse: It's good to be back. It'll be even better tomorrow when the writers all start rolling in and we start getting to work... pending the vote, of course.

What came out of your meeting with ABC today?
Cuse: Damon [Lindelof] and I are going to try and make five more episodes before the end of May, which is ambitious. But, we've found ourselves in situation where we had eight episodes of story planned, and we're going to try to fit that into five hours of the show. Even though it's going to be very hard to execute, we felt like any less would be doing a disservice to the story we had planned. We really want to give the fans the best possible experience and ending that we can to Season 4.

Any chance that the first of the five episodes will air the week after that last pre-strike episode— thus eliminating any scheduling gap?
Cuse: No, there's probably going to be four weeks between the airing of the first batch of episodes and our new episodes.

What will happen to the three "lost" episodes? Will they roll over into next season's 16, or will they vanish forever?
Cuse: Damon and I remain committed to producing the 40 additional hours of the show that we promised. We haven't figured out exactly when we'll put those other three on, but we're not eliminating them from the show. You will get those three episodes downstream.

I know it's early, but have you decided what will have to get cut from this season's arc in order to accelerate things? Are we going to lose some flashbacks and/or flash-forwards?
Cuse: All those conversations will take place tomorrow when we actually start talking about story.

Is it possible that some guest actors you were planning to use before the strike may no longer be available now? Like, for example, Andrea Roth?
Cuse: Yeah, there are a lot of issues that have to get sorted out. We're also in the middle of pilot season... We're kind of figuring out what has happened to all of our actors who have gone on to do other things. Literally, there are cobwebs on the couches in the writers' room. Call me in a couple of days and I should have more answers for you.

OK, last question: Have you come up with a code word for this season's top-secret cliffhanger?
Cuse: [Laughs] Not yet. That's a very good point. We'll have to get on that. If you have any ideas, Mike, let us know.

(BTW, I was joking in my intro. I'm pretty sure I was Carlton's first. Wait, that came out wrong... )

[joepsu0985]

It's funny, I was thinking earlier that generally speaking in my life, I really kinda dig when a cute girl is dressed more down than usual, actually looks a bit roughed up, dirty, just not all formal and cleaned up. Girls can look so damn sexy in the simple tshirt and sweatpants look.
But then with Kate, the only times I've ever found her really attractive is when she IS totally cleaned up, then I think she's smoking hot.
Here in the wedding dress she looks as adorable as can be.

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b160/junior94/katwed.jpg

And speaking of Letterman, I remember when she was on during either last season or season 2, and man she looked so good I practically wanted to jump thru my TV and grab her :D

At the end of season 3, Julliete is around a 9 easily.

[cryfreedom4136]

It's funny, I was thinking earlier that generally speaking in my life, I really kinda dig when a cute girl is dressed more down than usual, actually looks a bit roughed up, dirty, just not all formal and cleaned up. Girls can look so damn sexy in the simple tshirt and sweatpants look.
But then with Kate, the only times I've ever found her really attractive is when she IS totally cleaned up, then I think she's smoking hot.
Here in the wedding dress she looks as adorable as can be.

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b160/junior94/katwed.jpg

And speaking of Letterman, I remember when she was on during either last season or season 2, and man she looked so good I practically wanted to jump thru my TV and grab her :D

Did you ever see Kate's Live Link's commercials? Hilarius stuff, you can probably find them on youtube.com they were on all the time late at night during season 1


EDIT: Here is is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Blv-dQTVCaI

At the end of season 3, Julliete is around a 9 easily.

I guess if you are into older, unattractive women :thumbsup Just kidding, I just have never been a Juliette fan

[JorgeCavos]

Did you ever see Kate's Live Link's commercials? Hilarius stuff, you can probably find them on youtube.com they were on all the time late at night during season 1


EDIT: Here is is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Blv-dQTVCaI



I guess if you are into older, unattractive women :thumbsup Just kidding, I just have never been a Juliette fan

Sounds like you're more of a fan of the males...

[cryfreedom4136]

Sounds like you're more of a fan of the males...

Honestly, I think Sun is teh Hotness :hump

[il bacio dolce]

Sun is the most beautiful of the cast, definitely. Kate grew on me, she looked especially adorable in the episode that showed some of her past being married.

I did find Sawyer and Sayid to be pretty hot at first, but then Sayid's role shrank quite a bit and Sawyer was always dirty and bloody. I don't have a Lost crush now. :lol

[il bacio dolce]

How do you go from LiveLinks commercial to phenomenal Emmy winning tv series? :lol

[@drian]

How do you go from LiveLinks commercial to phenomenal Emmy winning tv series? :lol

By working your way up, and a great agent?

[il bacio dolce]

Okay?

[@drian]

Okay?

I thought you were asking?

[cryfreedom4136]

Okay?

Odd way to respond when someone answers your question...


By working your way up, and a great agent?

:thumbsup You gotta do somethign to put food on your plate until you hit it big... there are alot of big stars that did commercials early in their career... hers jsut happend to be the most hilarous

[@drian]

You gotta do somethign to put food on your plate until you hit it big... there are alot of big stars that did commercials early in their career... hers jsut happend to be the most hilarous

It's hilarious that they started using her ad again once she hit it big, I mean it's the obvious move but it's still funny.

[rball1127]

for the 6- is clair and arron 1 person

[jmkratt]

for the 6- is clair and arron 1 person

huh?

[@drian]

huh?
Don't worry I've got this, I speak fluent tard.

for the 6- is clair and arron 1 person
I believe Claire and Aaron would be counted as two separate people.

[clayj41]

huh?

He's asking if Claire was part of the Oceanic Six, would she and Aaron be counted as one.

[clayj41]

I believe Claire and Aaron would be counted as two separate people.

:thumbsup I agree. If Oceanic had the opportunity, 7 survivors has a better ring to it than 6...better publicity and all. If they are indeed part of the Oceanic Six, it will be as separate entities.

[@drian]

:thumbsup I agree. If Oceanic had the opportunity, 7 survivors has a better ring to it than 6...better publicity and all. If they are indeed part of the Oceanic Six,

Yah and plus they are two people not one.

[clayj41]

Yah and plus they are two people not one.

:thumbsup I see how people get confused though. Technically Aaron was a passenger, granted a passenger that was in utero.:lol

[@drian]

:thumbsup I see how people get confused though. Technically Aaron was a passenger, granted a passenger that was in utero.:lol

Plus it would be a huge story with a baby being born on the Island and all.

[clayj41]

Plus it would be a huge story with a baby being born on the Island and all.

That along with Hurley not dropping a single pound on the island would allow Oceanic to say that the conditions on the island weren't really all that bad.

[tgg5014]

If it is Michael on that boat, I'm curious to see how everyone reacts to him. Considering the fact that he killed Ana Lucia and Libby, and sold Sawyer, Kate, Jack and Hurley to the others, I'd imagine they're gonna be pretty pissed.

[@drian]

If it is Michael on that boat, I'm curious to see how everyone reacts to him. Considering the fact that he killed Ana Lucia and Libby, and sold Sawyer, Kate, Jack and Hurley to the others, I'd imagine they're gonna be pretty pissed.

Well he's going to be back one way or another, but yeah I can't see anyone being too happy he's back other than Locke and Ben.

[UNLTrpt]

tvguide.com - To recap this article, they will produce 5 new episodes to air in May. There will be about a 4 week hiatus between the last episode of this season (in 5 weeks) and the first new episode of the 5. The will wrap up this season in these 13 episodes, so essentially we will be losing 3 episodes. They do not plan on cutting three episodes from the series, however. They will produce 3 addional episodes in future seasons, so after this season there will be 35 lost episodes left.

Exclusive: Lost Boss Outlines Revised Season 4 Plan


Lost by Mario Perez/ABCMake no mistake, out of all the shows whose fate has been left dangling in the wind by the just-concluded writers' strike, the one we're most concerned about is Lost. Good thing, then, that the sixth fifth fourth third second first call Lost executive producer Carlton Cuse made after meeting with ABC execs this evening to finalize the new plan for Season 4 was to, yep, you guessed it, Variety Hollywood Reporter Entertainment Weekly Golf Digest Mac Addict me!

Welcome back!
Carlton Cuse: It's good to be back. It'll be even better tomorrow when the writers all start rolling in and we start getting to work... pending the vote, of course.

What came out of your meeting with ABC today?
Cuse: Damon [Lindelof] and I are going to try and make five more episodes before the end of May, which is ambitious. But, we've found ourselves in situation where we had eight episodes of story planned, and we're going to try to fit that into five hours of the show. Even though it's going to be very hard to execute, we felt like any less would be doing a disservice to the story we had planned. We really want to give the fans the best possible experience and ending that we can to Season 4.

Any chance that the first of the five episodes will air the week after that last pre-strike episode— thus eliminating any scheduling gap?
Cuse: No, there's probably going to be four weeks between the airing of the first batch of episodes and our new episodes.

What will happen to the three "lost" episodes? Will they roll over into next season's 16, or will they vanish forever?
Cuse: Damon and I remain committed to producing the 40 additional hours of the show that we promised. We haven't figured out exactly when we'll put those other three on, but we're not eliminating them from the show. You will get those three episodes downstream.

I know it's early, but have you decided what will have to get cut from this season's arc in order to accelerate things? Are we going to lose some flashbacks and/or flash-forwards?
Cuse: All those conversations will take place tomorrow when we actually start talking about story.

Is it possible that some guest actors you were planning to use before the strike may no longer be available now? Like, for example, Andrea Roth?
Cuse: Yeah, there are a lot of issues that have to get sorted out. We're also in the middle of pilot season... We're kind of figuring out what has happened to all of our actors who have gone on to do other things. Literally, there are cobwebs on the couches in the writers' room. Call me in a couple of days and I should have more answers for you.

OK, last question: Have you come up with a code word for this season's top-secret cliffhanger?
Cuse: [Laughs] Not yet. That's a very good point. We'll have to get on that. If you have any ideas, Mike, let us know.

(BTW, I was joking in my intro. I'm pretty sure I was Carlton's first. Wait, that came out wrong... )

Well...as much as losing three episodes sucks, it looks like they'll be made up eventually, just down the road.

Maybe 17 episodes next season and then 18 in Season 6?

What's good is that they can maybe push some flashbacks/forwards to another season and still make the story seem seamless.

This year is definitely going to be shorted, but the next two years probably will more than make up for it.

[hbktonyb]

no they are saying the the final of the original 8 episodes will actually be delayed until the end of april. at the end of april, they will play 6 straight...

[junior94]

Well I apologize to Derek, I stand corrected on the issue of remaining episodes. You were right, we won't be losing the 3 ultimately from the entire series. And like I said before I thought that made sense, I'm just surprised they didn't stress that point in their original statements yesterday.


If it is Michael on that boat, I'm curious to see how everyone reacts to him. Considering the fact that he killed Ana Lucia and Libby, and sold Sawyer, Kate, Jack and Hurley to the others, I'd imagine they're gonna be pretty pissed.

If it turns out to be Michael, the particular thing I'm wondering is did Ben given Michael that specific heading because he knew that he'd eventually run into the freighter. It's just that, he promised that by following that route, Michael would find rescue. And as much as Ben has lied about a lot of things, it generally seems that when he tells someone he's going to do this or that for them, it winds up being the truth.

[rball1127]

okay, i got a couple things to say......number one if you are a die hard, you must go on abc.com and watch the "missing pieces" videos (there are 13). If you can't watch them all, you MUST watch the first one, then watch the first episode of the show ever (the pilot)......note Jack's father's shoes in both and also, look at the dog........after that, remember the fact that the casket was empty when jack looks in it.


jack's father is something crazy. he's connected to so many people. i wouldn't be surprised if he was jacob. first episode of this season, hurley went to jacob's house and saw a man in the rocking chair, this is a screen shot of that guy:

http://bp1.blogger.com/_RrObyQ3XzcY/R6LnpcBE0DI/AAAAAAAAShI/C3q9ehqDpEI/s1600-h/DarkUFOImage2919.jpg


jack's father is the character with the biggest mystery




......don't sell out by reading spoilers, it's all about guessing the answers, the clues are given, you just have to find them.....everyone knows michael is back at some point because his name is in the credits. I don't need a spoiler to tell me that.

[junior94]

okay, i got a couple things to say......number one if you are a die hard, you must go on abc.com and watch the "missing pieces" videos (there are 13). If you can't watch them all, you MUST watch the first one, then watch the first episode of the show ever (the pilot)......note Jack's father's shoes in both and also, look at the dog........after that, remember the fact that the casket was empty when jack looks in it.


jack's father is something crazy. he's connected to so many people. i wouldn't be surprised if he was jacob. first episode of this season, hurley went to jacob's house and saw a man in the rocking chair, this is a screen shot of that guy:

http://bp1.blogger.com/_RrObyQ3XzcY/R6LnpcBE0DI/AAAAAAAAShI/C3q9ehqDpEI/s1600-h/DarkUFOImage2919.jpg


jack's father is the character with the biggest mystery




......don't sell out by reading spoilers, it's all about guessing the answers, the clues are given, you just have to find them.....everyone knows michael is back at some point because his name is in the credits. I don't need a spoiler to tell me that.

Umm... yea, I hate to burst your bubble, but pretty much everything that you've just said and laid out has been pretty extensively covered already in here over the last week or two :D But no biggie.
Though actually the MP episode titled "So It Begins" was the LAST of them, #13, not the first of them. It may be the first one that starts playing on the website because it was the most recent to be released.

You certainly have the right to your opinion, but as I've said here before I HIGHLY doubt that Christian Shephard = Jacob. Who/what Jacob is will no doubt be one of the larger mysteries of the entire series (along with what exactly Smokezilla is, etc) and so there's just no way that here they'll be at the start of season 4 giving us a clear view of Christian in the cabin meaning that HE is Jacob. I'm not disputing he was in there, that was perfectly clear, but I'm sure it's far more complicated than that.

[smeritt]

okay, i got a couple things to say......number one if you are a die hard, you must go on abc.com and watch the "missing pieces" videos (there are 13). If you can't watch them all, you MUST watch the first one, then watch the first episode of the show ever (the pilot)......note Jack's father's shoes in both and also, look at the dog........after that, remember the fact that the casket was empty when jack looks in it.


jack's father is something crazy. he's connected to so many people. i wouldn't be surprised if he was jacob. first episode of this season, hurley went to jacob's house and saw a man in the rocking chair, this is a screen shot of that guy:

http://bp1.blogger.com/_RrObyQ3XzcY/R6LnpcBE0DI/AAAAAAAAShI/C3q9ehqDpEI/s1600-h/DarkUFOImage2919.jpg


jack's father is the character with the biggest mystery




......don't sell out by reading spoilers, it's all about guessing the answers, the clues are given, you just have to find them.....everyone knows michael is back at some point because his name is in the credits. I don't need a spoiler to tell me that.
Dear god please tell me you're joking

[rball1127]

Umm... yea, I hate to burst your bubble, but pretty much everything that you've just said and laid out has been pretty extensively covered already in here over the last week or two :D But no biggie.
Though actually the MP episode titled "So It Begins" was the LAST of them, #13, not the first of them. It may be the first one that starts playing on the website because it was the most recent to be released.

You certainly have the right to your opinion, but as I've said here before I HIGHLY doubt that Christian Shephard = Jacob. Who/what Jacob is will no doubt be one of the larger mysteries of the entire series (along with what exactly Smokezilla is, etc) and so there's just no way that here they'll be at the start of season 4 giving us a clear view of Christian in the cabin meaning that HE is Jacob. I'm not disputing he was in there, that was perfectly clear, but I'm sure it's far more complicated than that.


thank you for at least being nice about it and respecting my opinion. i haven't read anything in this post really so sorry for that. your right that they wouldn't show his dad if that was the answer.

[junior94]

Good lord the changes just don't stop flying in here. NOW I was just reading in an article over on EZTV.net that there's serious talk of lopping off the last episode of this initil run and holding it back for the second half they'll do later. So we WON'T be getting 8 straight episodes here, we'll instead get 7, then take the month off, then come back with 6 to close out season four.

[JimiThang1]

Good lord the changes just don't stop flying in here. NOW I was just reading in an article over on EZTV.net that there's serious talk of lopping off the last episode of this initil run and holding it back for the second half they'll do later. So we WON'T be getting 8 straight episodes here, we'll instead get 7, then take the month off, then come back with 6 to close out season four.

If it's a better cut off point at 7 i'm all for it.

[junior94]

[quote=JimiThang1;7101843]If it's a better cut off point at 7 i'm all for it.[quote]

Yea, from another quote I've already seen from another source, Darleton feels that episode 8 will play better as a mini-premiere rather than mini-finale. And of cousre I totally trust them with that kind of call, they'd know best.


On another matter, and I know that at least Derek knows this because he listened to the commentary, maybe some others have as well, but there was something mentioned on the track for "Man Behind The Curtain" about Ben that I thought was very interesting. I'm not sure I'd really call this a spoiler, but I'll tag it just in case.


I recall shortly after that episode originally aired, fans were speculating on whether or not in the course of the whole Purge, did the girl that Ben was shown to be close to as a boy (Annie) also die along with everyone else. Well, on the commentary track they mention that the character of Annie will eventually show to be a very large factor in Ben's life within the context of the series. Now, does that necessarily mean she got to survive the Purage? Knowing this show, who can say.

On a side topic, they also say that the volcano that's referenced in the one classroom discussion led by Samantha Mathis's teacher character in time will also play a pretty significant part in the show.

[Talula62]

Well. That backread was.... interesting. :)

[@drian]

http://weburbanist.com/2008/02/13/a-visual-tour-of-the-dharma-initiative-7-mysterious-abandonments-of-the-lost-island/

Pretty cool article with maps of where stuff probably is.

[cryfreedom4136]

http://weburbanist.com/2008/02/13/a-visual-tour-of-the-dharma-initiative-7-mysterious-abandonments-of-the-lost-island/

Pretty cool article with maps of where stuff probably is.

:thumbsup Excellent find, THANKS

[smeritt]

Wow I never saw the Orchid video. That is intense. " God loves you as he loved Jacob" lol

[cryfreedom4136]

I am having a brain fart here... what is Pala Ferry?

Other than that my only questions are, where is the looking glass on the map and also where di they find the van/Ben's dad

[@drian]

I am having a brain fart here... what is Pala Ferry?
http://lostpedia.com/wiki/Pala_Ferry

where is the looking glass on the map

[Note that the Hydra station as shown above is likely the Looking Glass]

Not sure what's going on with that, I mean are they suppose to be the same location? The Hydra is where they were keeping Jack right? And the Looking Glass is where Charlie died?

[cryfreedom4136]

http://lostpedia.com/wiki/Pala_Ferry



[Note that the Hydra station as shown above is likely the Looking Glass]

Thats what I was thinking... thanks

A couple things that stick out to to me about the map are that I think the Tail section and the Arrow station would be closer together... also I think the Staff would be closer to the Swan.

The show also made it seem like the baracks were closer to water, because it seemed like the submarine was pretty much right by their camp...

EDIT: Also if the Flame was that close to the baracks, they would have seen/heard the explosion

[@drian]

Thats what I was thinking... thanks

A couple things that stick out to to me about the map are that I think the Tail section and the Arrow station would be closer together... also I think the Staff would be closer to the Swan.

The show also made it seem like the baracks were closer to water, because it seemed like the submarine was pretty much right by their camp...

EDIT: Also if the Flame was that close to the baracks, they would have seen/heard the explosion

Yah who knows, I mean whoever created is obviously relying on a lot of speculation.

[cryfreedom4136]

Yah who knows, I mean whoever created is obviously relying on a lot of speculation.

Overall I think it is a good job, they are obviously putting alot of work into it

[Route_2]

The show also made it seem like the baracks were closer to water, because it seemed like the submarine was pretty much right by their camp...


The submarine was in a pool of water like a small lake. It is somehow connected to the ocean through a tunnel. I believe I've heard Darlteon confirm this at some point, most likely in one of their podcasts.

[smeritt]

Are you guys watching the show right now? Im confused with time difference.

[aclark0622]

Well, Sayid is one of the Oceanic 6...

[greyst1crash]

Ohhh Hurley just baited Sayid and Kate! And what's with the time difference on the clocks? Sure to be plenty of discussion following this ep.

[greyst1crash]

HOLY CRAP!!! Are you kidding me?! Ben gets off the island, but not only that, Sayid works for him! This just got a whole lot weirder ~

[aclark0622]

I knew Ben was the 'boss' - knew it from the S3 finale :bounce

[rball1127]

wow ben's alive

[clayj41]

I am at a loss for words...:eek :ugh :eek :ugh

[GLR87]

why would ben want to leave the island

[El Papa]

this is getting crazy

[greyst1crash]

Crazy is an understatement.

[clayj41]

why would ben want to leave the island

Who says he wanted to?;)

[cryfreedom4136]

WTF... Each episode is exponentially crazier than the one before it... at this rate there will be characters cross-breeding iquanas with mongeese on the moon by the 5th episode

[aclark0622]

S4 is leaps and bounds better than S3 so far.

[clayj41]

WTF... Each episode is exponentially crazier than the one before it... at this rate there will be characters cross-breeding iquanas with mongeese on the moon by the 5th episode

Actually, that was on the extended trailer for next week's episode.:lol

[clayj41]

S4 is leaps and bounds better than S3 so far.

:thumbsup This season is shaping up to be the best of the series. Too bad we're going to be cheated a few espisodes.:(

[Nick11dx]

I believe Michael is the spy on the boat

[luke7]

I believe Michael is the spy on the boat

I haven't thought about that one.

[rball1127]

I believe Michael is the spy on the boat

i concur

[junior94]

I knew Ben was the 'boss' - knew it from the S3 finale :bounce

Hmm.. curious. When, unless I'm mistaken, nowhere in the s3 finale was it mentioned that there was any boss to know. So how could you have known something that didn't even exist yet was Ben?

It was quite a bit cliche that Sayid as an assassin would start to fall for his target, but I have a feeling they realized this and that's why so little screentime was actually dedicated to showing that. (I could be wrong, but I'd wager that the time inbetween when we last saw those two leaving for the opera and then to the scene when they were in bed that ended with the shootout, was the longest amount of screentime ever so far in the series between flash fwd/backs for a character in a particular episode)

Hurley gets the best line this week: "Oh great, the ship's sent us another Sawyer." :lol

[aclark0622]

:thumbsup This season is shaping up to be the best of the series. Too bad we're going to be cheated a few espisodes.:(

This is true. When's the stoppage? After...eight episodes?

[GinaNMU]

Ben didn't "get off the island"...he's obviously been able to come and go as he pleases, and often by the looks of the content in that room Sayid found. I'm thinking he's been doing whatever he's doing w/ Sayid for quite awhile...obviously not w/ SAYID...but some kind of operation off the island.


Wow. Sort of a bummer that the most badass character on Lost ends up working for the complete enemy. I don't know wtf to think about any of this. So confused, but I LIKE IT!

[GinaNMU]

I knew Ben was the 'boss' - knew it from the S3 finale :bounce

:confused What "boss" did you know of in season 3?

[clayj41]

This is true. When's the stoppage? After...eight episodes?

It was supposed to be, but now I think they're toying with the idea of stopping at 7 and then coming back with 6 episodes. We're still losing 3 episodes due to the writer's strike.

[clayj41]

Ben didn't "get off the island"...he's obviously been able to come and go as he pleases, and often by the looks of the content in that room Sayid found. I'm thinking he's been doing whatever he's doing w/ Sayid for quite awhile...obviously not w/ SAYID...but some kind of operation off the island.


Wow. Sort of a bummer that the most badass character on Lost ends up working for the complete enemy. I don't know wtf to think about any of this. So confused, but I LIKE IT!

:thumbsup Obviously Ben is using Sayid's emotional attachment to the other survivors as leverage though.

"Do you want to protect your friends or not Sayid?"

He is looking out for their best interest or at least he thinks so.

[aclark0622]

:confused What "boss" did you know of in season 3?

Well, he wasn't defined as the 'boss' yet... But at the airport with Jack and Kate, last scene of S3, she says something along the lines of "I have to get back - he'll be wondering where I am..." I just had a feeling it was Ben watching and keeping tabs on them.

It was supposed to be, but now I think they're toying with the idea of stopping at 7 and then coming back with 6 episodes. We're still losing 3 episodes due to the writer's strike.

And you know that last episode before the hiatus will be a HUGE tease...

[rball1127]

there has been a quote used 3 times in this show all throughout different times during the seasons:

"we have work to do"

1st. it was when walt told locke once he was shot by ben that HE HAD WORK TO DO

2nd. on the lost missing pieces on abc.com mr. sheppard tells vecent (walt's dog) that he needs to go find jack because he has WORK TO DO.

3rd. charlotte in todays episode when asked of she wanted to get in the helicopter, she replied i have WORK TO DO.


idk if it means anything or my friend and i are over-thinking it, just thought it was a interesting coincidence.

[clayj41]

And you know that last episode before the hiatus will be a HUGE tease...

Actually the 8th episode is supposedly the mini cliff hanger. Supposedly the producers like it better as a mini-premiere though. The hiatus is supposed to only be about a month anyway.

Note I'm getting this info from the other great people in this thread...not trying to steal anyone's thunder.:)

[clayj41]

Well, he wasn't defined as the 'boss' yet... But at the airport with Jack and Kate, last scene of S3, she says something along the lines of "I have to get back - he'll be wondering where I am..." I just had a feeling it was Ben watching and keeping tabs on them.

Hmmm, I don't think anyone interpreted it that way. That's an interesting spin on things though. Everyone assumed Kate was referring to Sawyer or a baby.

[cryfreedom4136]

Hmmm, I don't think anyone interpreted it that way. That's an interesting spin on things though. Everyone assumed Kate was referring to Sawyer or a baby.

I don't think it was a baby... I think it was a love interest.. maybe Sawyer maybe someone else...

[clayj41]

I don't think it was a baby... I think it was a love interest.. maybe Sawyer maybe someone else...

Well either way, no one thought she meant Ben. To think that everyone who's makes it off the island is somehow involved with Ben in an effort to protect the island is a little out there. Then again, everything about this show is out there.:lol

[@drian]

why would ben want to leave the island

To protect it.

Wow. Sort of a bummer that the most badass character on Lost ends up working for the complete enemy. I don't know wtf to think about any of this. So confused, but I LIKE IT!

I'm guessing the "list" is of people who are part of Dharma and Sayid is killing them so they don't hurt/kill the people who aren't part of the Oceanic 6.

Actually the 8th episode is supposedly the mini cliff hanger. Supposedly the producers like it better as a mini-premiere though. The hiatus is supposed to only be about a month anyway.

Apparently the 7th episode is the cliff hanger and episode 8 is more of a premiere.

------------------------

I'm kind of thinking that obviously a certain ammount of people want to stay on the island and a certain ammount want to leave. So in order to leave they have to promose to do everything Ben wants, to protect the island and their friends who stayed behind.

[JimiThang1]

Well that was awesome

[JimiThang1]

I'm willing to bet whatever characters gets the next flash forawrd will be the 5th.
& 6th :D

[clayj41]

I'm guessing the "list" is of people who are part of Dharma and Sayid is killing them so they don't hurt/kill the people who aren't part of the Oceanic 6.

Exactly.




Oceanic 6:
1. Jack
2. Kate
3. Hurley
4. Sayid
5. ????
6. ?????

I'm willing to bet whatever character gets the next flash forawrd will be the 5th.

:thumbsup I'm really intrigued to see who else might make it off though. Right now its looking like Desmond and Juliette but who knows?

[cryfreedom4136]

Well either way, no one thought she meant Ben. To think that everyone who's makes it off the island is somehow involved with Ben in an effort to protect the island is a little out there. Then again, everything about this show is out there.:lol

Although given Kate's history it wouldn't be shocking if she was working for Ben too

[@drian]

& 6th :D

Sorry I edited that out, but are you hinting that the next episode is Jin & Sun centric?

[JimiThang1]

:thumbsup I'm really intrigued to see who else might make it off though. Right now its looking like Desmond and Juliette but who knows?
They weren't on the plane thus not Oceanic 6

[cryfreedom4136]

:thumbsup I'm really intrigued to see who else might make it off though. Right now its looking like Desmond and Juliette but who knows?

They could make it off, but they couldn't be in the Oceanic 6

[JimiThang1]

Sorry I edited that out, but are you hinting that the next episode is Jin & Sun centric?
No they are just who I think will be 5 and 6. I don't know what centric the next one is.

[cryfreedom4136]

Sorry I edited that out, but are you hinting that the next episode is Jin & Sun centric?

Or Claire and Aaron

[@drian]

Or Claire and Aaron

or Michael and Walt :D

[clayj41]

They could make it off, but they couldn't be in the Oceanic 6

I know, but its still interesting to see who else gets off and what their lives are like back in the real world...Desmond being the real wild card.

[clayj41]

Although given Kate's history it wouldn't be shocking if she was working for Ben too

Still, the way she says it to Jack implies that he knows exactly who she's referring to.

[@drian]

I love how they fired a missile at something 3 feet away from their only way off the island.

[clayj41]

I love how they fired a missile at something 3 feet away from their only way off the island.

I'm more intrigued to learn about the time lapse. It looks as though there is some kind of time continuum between the island and the rest of the world.

[smeritt]

I love how they fired a missile at something 3 feet away from their only way off the island.haha I know right. And how is no one talkign about the time difference. That is the most intriguing part of the episode to me to be honest. The time difference and him saying "stay exactly on the barring we came to the island, exactly"

[dh4645]

haha I know right. And how is no one talkign about the time difference. That is the most intriguing part of the episode to me to be honest. The time difference and him saying "stay exactly on the barring we came to the island, exactly"

yeah i thought the same things.

[Talula62]

I could be wrong, but I'd wager that the time inbetween when we last saw those two leaving for the opera and then to the scene when they were in bed that ended with the shootout, was the longest amount of screentime ever so far in the series between flash fwd/backs for a character in a particular episodeThat's because it was totally awesome, Kevin!

Well, he wasn't defined as the 'boss' yet... But at the airport with Jack and Kate, last scene of S3, she says something along the lines of "I have to get back - he'll be wondering where I am..." I just had a feeling it was Ben watching and keeping tabs on them.Oh, snap. I hadn't even thought of that either.

So, Elsa is R.G. then? Damn, I thought SHE was going to be working for Ben.

[Talula62]

I'm 90% sure next episode is Kate-centric.

[@drian]

AHHHH I love this show, when the helicopter was flying off I was thinking this is going to be a bad ass ending, I really hope it ends just as we see a huge freighter come into focus, and then they cut to more flash forward and of course at first I was disappointed and then I was like well fuck that was infinitely more cooler than what I was hoping for.

And I'm so jelous of Jimmy Kimmel, last night I can't remember her name but the palentologist/archeologist british chick was on and Jimmy mentioned that he has already seen the next couple of episodes. I guess that's what you get when you host Lost's networks late night talk show!

[clayj41]

AHHHH I love this show, when the helicopter was flying off I was thinking this is going to be a bad ass ending, I really hope it ends just as we see a huge freighter come into focus, and then they cut to more flash forward and of course at first I was disappointed and then I was like well fuck that was infinitely more cooler than what I was hoping for.

BTW, was anyone else saddened by seeing Sayid physically leave the island? It gave me a taste of how I'm gonna feel when this show is over.:(

[clayj41]

And I'm so jelous of Jimmy Kimmel, last night I can't remember her name but the palentologist/archeologist british chick was on and Jimmy mentioned that he has already seen the next couple of episodes. I guess that's what you get when you host Lost's networks late night talk show!

I need to get a job with ABC before 2010!

[JorgeCavos]

Well, he wasn't defined as the 'boss' yet... But at the airport with Jack and Kate, last scene of S3, she says something along the lines of "I have to get back - he'll be wondering where I am..." I just had a feeling it was Ben watching and keeping tabs on them.



And you know that last episode before the hiatus will be a HUGE tease...

We find out who the "he" is in the next episode, which is Kate-centric.

[@drian]

I need to get a job with ABC before 2010!

She actually seems really cool, she said she watched all 3 seasons in a week. She finished the S3 finally on the island just before she filmed her first scene. I guess the first scene she filmed was when she was hanging upside down in the tree and saw Locke and his crew come strolling out of the forest. How cool is that? Which explains that look of amazement on her face.

We find out...

That's what we call a spoiler, that is of course if you know that for sure. And since you read a lot of spoilers I'm guessing it is.

[junior94]

There's another detail I'm rather curious about. Why don't the four want to speak to Mankowski at this point? When Faraday asked to take the phone, Frank said fine but instructed him to hang up immediately if Mankowski got on the line.

[cryfreedom4136]

or Michael and Walt :D

Or Rose and Bernard

[Talula62]

We find out who the "he" is in the next episode, which is Kate-centric.Dude. Jorge. That's enough. :lol

There's another detail I'm rather curious about. Why don't the four want to speak to Mankowski at this point? When Faraday asked to take the phone, Frank said fine but instructed him to hang up immediately if Mankowski got on the line.Good question.

[41ravens]

this episode was amazing. this season has been terrific so far. it's getting back to the point where i can't wait for thursdays again. i love this show.

[smeritt]

There's another detail I'm rather curious about. Why don't the four want to speak to Mankowski at this point? When Faraday asked to take the phone, Frank said fine but instructed him to hang up immediately if Mankowski got on the line.Because Mankowski is a badass

[@drian]

Because Mankowski is a badass

Because he'll fuck up your shit.

[clayj41]

this episode was amazing. this season has been terrific so far. it's getting back to the point where i can't wait for thursdays again. i love this show.

:thumbsup Before this season, the last time I was this excited about Thursdays was when Seinfeld was still on the air.

[clayj41]

Because Mankowski is a badass

:thumbsup The name Mankowski reeks of excellence! It strikes fear into the hearts of all enemies!

[@drian]

:thumbsup The name Mankowski reeks of excellence! It strikes fear into the hearts of all enemies!

Man, Cow Ski, three things I love and fear.

[cryfreedom4136]

Do we know who Mankowski is?

[Talula62]

Whoa. Hold up. Where the H was Jacob's Cabin? Is it only visible at night? Is the whole house a ghost/The Monster/ManCowSki?

[@drian]

Whoa. Hold up. Where the H was Jacob's Cabin? Is it only visible at night? Is the whole house a ghost/The Monster/ManCowSki?

Well this could confirm that Hurley wasn't hallucinating and the cabin actually was changing locations.

[junior94]

This is the text of a short but sweet post from over on The Fuselage regarding the rocket experiment (time discrepancy):


But it DOES confirm slow time! http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/images/smilies/Generic/smiley.gif

What should have taken 1 minute took 31 minutes. This means time is slower on the Island than wherever the freighter is. This also means the freighter is outside, what I will now call, the "Snowglobe."

1 minute in the outside world = 31 minutes on the Island.

One hour in the outside world = slightly less than two hours on the Island

One day on the mainland = a little over 46.45 hours or a little less than two days on the Island

One week = 13.54 days on the Island

Four weeks = 54.15 days or slightly less than two months.

See, this is the problem. 31 minutes will exponentially make mainland time and Island time further and further apart from each other as time progresses. This is why Daniel had a very concerned look on his face.

I think we've also discovered the urgency of "going back and rescuing their friends."

I think we've confirmed that the hatch was keeping this from happening and it began after the hatch imploded.

[rball1127]

2 crazy predictions:



the black girl who miles went into her house to speak to her son's spirit......rose's sister

daniels gf since they were obviously hiding her face if you watch it again......jullietes sister who survived cancer

[cryfreedom4136]

Well this could confirm that Hurley wasn't hallucinating and the cabin actually was changing locations.

Yeah I think the cabin appears whereever/whenever/ and to whomever Jacob wants it to

[clayj41]

Yeah I think the cabin appears whereever/whenever/ and to whomever Jacob wants it to

Exactly, Jacob needs Hurley's help.

[cryfreedom4136]

This is the text of a short but sweet post from over on The Fuselage regarding the rocket experiment (time discrepancy):

Yeah, but that would mean they had only been missing for about 3 days in the real world... there is no way that works

EDIT: The math in that guys post makes no sense

[junior94]

Well this could confirm that Hurley wasn't hallucinating and the cabin actually was changing locations.

I think it probably does. And of course Ben knew exactly what was running thru Locke's mind when he got to the ash line and saw nothing there. I can only assume that Locke didn't pressure Ben for answers on where the hell the cabin was because he didn't want to appear lost and clueless in front of the rest of everyone else (he figures Ben already has enough of a perceived upper hand, so he doesn't wanna look worse if he wants people to keep following him).

Plus, knowing Locke is a threat to his supremacy with how special he's proven to be, I'd think Ben is enjoying watching Locke squirm some.

[clayj41]

This is the text of a short but sweet post from over on The Fuselage regarding the rocket experiment (time discrepancy):

Wow, that's amazing!

[@drian]

This is the text of a short but sweet post from over on The Fuselage regarding the rocket experiment (time discrepancy):

The picture doesn't work, but this is so awesome.

[cryfreedom4136]

I think it probably does. And of course Ben knew exactly what was running thru Locke's mind when he got to the ash line and saw nothing there. I can only assume that Locke didn't pressure Ben for answers on where the hell the cabin was because he didn't want to appear lost and clueless in front of the rest of everyone else (he figures Ben already has enough of a perceived upper hand, so he doesn't wanna look worse if he wants people to keep following him).

Plus, knowing Locke is a threat to his supremacy with how special he's proven to be, I'd think Ben is enjoying watching Locke squirm some.

Is it ash? I thought it looked alot like gun powder today

[clayj41]

Yeah, but that would mean they had only been missing for about 3 days in the real world... there is no way that works

EDIT: The math in that guys post makes no sense

If you read it correctly, the theory is that the island and the real world were on the same time until the hatch exploded. That's what punching in the #'s supposedly did.

[JorgeCavos]

I don't think that it meant time was slower on the island, I think it meant there was a delay. Both clocks were ticking at the same speed, but apparently the island is 31 minutes behind real world time.

[cryfreedom4136]

If you read it correctly, the theory is that the island and the real world were on the same time until the hatch exploded. That's what punching in the #'s supposedly did.

But the blew the fail-safe wouldn't that have prevented this from happening.... I still don't understand his math though... his ratio is inconsistent....

[cryfreedom4136]

I don't think that it meant time was slower on the island, I think it meant there was a delay. Both clocks were ticking at the same speed, but apparently the island is 31 minutes behind real world time.

Thats how I took it... like it crossed over into some other plane of existence for a time or got caught in some sort of worm-hole or something

[clayj41]

But the blew the fail-safe wouldn't that have prevented this from happening.... I still don't understand his math though... his ratio is inconsistent....

But turning the fail safe would eliminate the "electro-magnetic time continuum forcefield" phenomenon all together...making it so there's nothing to punch the numbers in for even if the hatch was still there.

[cryfreedom4136]

But turning the fail safe would eliminate the "electro-magnetic time continuum forcefield" phenomenon all together...making it so there's nothing to punch the numbers in for even if the hatch was still there.

Yeah so that would eliminate any annomily that was being produced too wouldn't it?

By the way you are 1 post away from 22,222

[@drian]

Might all this time crap explain Richard Alperts lack of aging? And why no one needs to shave? or get a haircut?

Oh and since Ben obviously travels too and from the island he certaintly is a bad ass for sticking around risking death to have Jack fix him.

[JorgeCavos]

Thats how I took it... like it crossed over into some other plane of existence for a time or got caught in some sort of worm-hole or something

That's what I thought, I just didn't know how to explain it. Hell, I still don't; this show is so damn confusing!

Regina told Dan over the sat-phone that she was watching it close in on the location, but it didn't actually arrive until 31 minutes later...I can't wait for the rest of this season

[cryfreedom4136]

Might all this time crap explain Richard Alperts lack of aging? And why no one needs to shave? or get a haircut?

I suppose it could, I am not sure how but anything is possible... personally I don't think Richard Alperts is human...

[clayj41]

Yeah so that would eliminate any annomily that was being produced too wouldn't it?

By the way you are 1 post away from 22,222

I don't think so. Punching in the numbers prevented the anomaly from existing. With nothing to stop it, it would run free.


22,222:cool

[cryfreedom4136]

I don't think so. Punching in the numbers prevented the anomaly from existing. With nothing to stop it, it would run free.


22,222:cool

But the point of the fail-safe was to permanently eliminate the anomaly in th event that it could no longer be controlled by pressing the numbers

[smeritt]

But the point of the fail-safe was to permanently eliminate the anomaly in th event that it could no longer be controlled by pressing the numbersTruth. Now the anamoly is running rampant.

[@drian]

Obviously Faraday suspected something was up with the Island, I mean why have a clock sent in right?

[clayj41]

But the point of the fail-safe was to permanently eliminate the anomaly in th event that it could no longer be controlled by pressing the numbers

Maybe, but in my opinion the fail safe allowed for the anomaly to exist. The fail safe eliminated whatever was blocking the anomaly.

[cryfreedom4136]

Obviously Faraday suspected something was up with the Island, I mean why have a clock sent in right?

It certainly seems that they had some knowledge of the properties of the island before they got there. I mean Charolette wasn't even a little suprised when she found that polar bear with a Dharma collar in the desert.... I think they are either Dharma or closely related to Dharma

[cryfreedom4136]

Obviously Faraday suspected something was up with the Island, I mean why have a clock sent in right?

It certainly seems that they had some knowledge of the properties of the island before they got there. I mean Charolette wasn't even a little suprised when she found that polar bear with a Dharma collar in the desert.... I think they are either Dharma or closely related to Dharma

[cryfreedom4136]

Maybe, but in my opinion the fail safe allowed for the anomaly to exist. The fail safe eliminated whatever was blocking the anomaly.

Oh okay, I got what you are saying now... yeah that makes sense they were blocking the anomaly into the hatch for doing whatever testing, but the pressure needed to be periodically released, but by blowing the fail-safe you aren't containing it anymore it is able to disperse naturally... makes sense :thumbsup

I still think the time change is a statis delay though and not an actually difference in the passage of time

[@drian]

And what sparked Faraday to start his little test right at that moment? Just earlier Jack and Frank were talking about the Red Sox and Jack mentioned he hasn't seen a game for over 100 days.

[clayj41]

Oh okay, I got what you are saying now... yeah that makes sense they were blocking the anomaly into the hatch for doing whatever testing, but the pressure needed to be periodically released, but by blowing the fail-safe you aren't containing it anymore it is able to disperse naturally... makes sense :thumbsup

I still think the time change is a statis delay though and not an actually difference in the passage of time

Yeah, it was really hard to explain. I'm glad I finally got my point across.:lol

[cryfreedom4136]

And what sparked Faraday to start his little test right at that moment? Just earlier Jack and Frank were talking about the Red Sox and Jack mentioned he hasn't seen a game for over 100 days.

But if he was expecting that why did he act suprised when the missle didn't show up right away....

Actually I was just thinking based on when the hatch exploded, if the ratio of time on the island to time on land was 31:1 like the missle would suggest....

There was like 60 days before the hatch blew (days in which time on the island passed normally)... and 40 after... that means the plane would have crashed 61.3 days ago... which could make sense...

[junior94]

But the point of the fail-safe was to permanently eliminate the anomaly in th event that it could no longer be controlled by pressing the numbers

To be honest I'm STILL not sure I even halfway get the real grasp of the whole fail/safe deal from the hatch. For one, and I think I've said this before, I was really curious to know what would've happened if they let the counter go to zero but did NOT turn the key like Desmond did. But secondly, if turning the key "makes this all go away" like Kelvin said, why couldn't they have just turned the key on its own? I mean when the countdown was still at any random point between 0-108? Would've just turning the key on its own do anything?

Obviously Faraday suspected something was up with the Island, I mean why have a clock sent in right?

Don't know who caught the "enhanced" replay of last week's show, I only got a few minutes of it, but I saw where it said that Faraday's line of "the light doesn't seem to scatter right around here", was a clue about the natura of the island's 'unique properties'.

It certainly seems that they had some knowledge of the properties of the island before they got there. I mean Charolette wasn't even a little suprised when she found that polar bear with a Dharma collar in the desert.... I think they are either Dharma or closely related to Dharma

I happen to think that Charlotte was in fact EXPECTING to find that Dharma collar on the skeleton (or at the very least hoping it'd be there).

[cryfreedom4136]

I happen to think that Charlotte was in fact EXPECTING to find that Dharma collar on the skeleton (or at the very least hoping it'd be there).

Well yeah she went digging right for it.

[clayj41]

Don't know who caught the "enhanced" replay of last week's show, I only got a few minutes of it, but I saw where it said that Faraday's line of "the light doesn't seem to scatter right around here", was a clue about the natura of the island's 'unique properties'.

:thumbsup It also noted that the woman in his flashback was his caretaker, not his wife/girlfriend.

[@drian]

Don't know who caught the "enhanced" replay of last week's show, I only got a few minutes of it

What's the enhanced replay?

[cryfreedom4136]

You know that enhanced thing kind of pisses me off, I wish they would should it during the first showing

[cryfreedom4136]

What's the enhanced replay?

Before the new episode, they play last-weeks episode with little tidbits of information scrolling across the bottom, kind of like they did with the season finale at the beginning of the season

[clayj41]

What's the enhanced replay?

A "Pop Up Video" version of last week's episode on before the new episodes every week.

[@drian]

Before the new episode, they play last-weeks episode with little tidbits of information scrolling across the bottom, kind of like they did with the season finale at the beginning of the season

Fuck me! Are you serious? How the hell have I misssed this? Is it worth watching?

[clayj41]

Fuck me! Are you serious? How the hell have I misssed this? Is it worth watching?

There have been a few interesting tidbits...usually just reminders of stuff you already knew though.

[cryfreedom4136]

Fuck me! Are you serious? How the hell have I misssed this? Is it worth watching?

I only caught the last 10 minutes it seemed good... the big reveal that I saw was the gave the black guy's name (the one that came to see Hurley in the asylum and sent the team to the island). I don't remember the name, but they said it was a biblical reference that meant "Guardian of the Abyss"

[86dmbal]

Are you guys watching the show right now? Im confused with time difference.

Time Dilation, part of relativity.

[junior94]

Oh and while Penny may not've known anything about "a Naomi and a boat", Lapidas and Faraday sure as hell seemed to know something about the name Penelope Widmore. They didn't share that cryptic look between them for nothing.

And to the person saying they should do the enhanced version while the new episode's running as well... seriously? For one thing, they figure part of the fun is figuring what you can pick up on by yourself, but moreso you really want to try watching new material transpiring on your screen while at the same time trying to read what they're scrolling along in text on the bottom? That seems silly to me.

[clayj41]

And to the person saying they should do the enhanced version while the new episode's running as well... seriously? For one thing, they figure part of the fun is figuring what you can pick up on by yourself, but moreso you really want to try watching new material transpiring on your screen while at the same time trying to read what they're scrolling along in text on the bottom? That seems silly to me.

:thumbsup Its too much of a distraction and I enjoy hearing everyone else's speculation first.

[@drian]

Oh and while Penny may not've known anything about "a Naomi and a boat", Lapidas and Faraday sure as hell seemed to know something about the name Penelope Widmore. They didn't share that cryptic look between them for nothing.

Yup, I said awhile ago that just because Penny doesn't know about it doesn't mean it doesn't have something to do with her dad.

[cryfreedom4136]

Oh and while Penny may not've known anything about "a Naomi and a boat", Lapidas and Faraday sure as hell seemed to know something about the name Penelope Widmore. They didn't share that cryptic look between them for nothing.

And to the person saying they should do the enhanced version while the new episode's running as well... seriously? For one thing, they figure part of the fun is figuring what you can pick up on by yourself, but moreso you really want to try watching new material transpiring on your screen while at the same time trying to read what they're scrolling along in text on the bottom? That seems silly to me.

I know, I am just frustrated that they I am going to have to watch all the episodes twice in one week now.... as if Lost didn't already consume enough of my life

[@drian]

I know, I am just frustrated that they I am going to have to watch all the episodes twice in one week now.... as if Lost didn't already consume enough of my life

I already watch it twice, the live SD feed and then I d/l the HD torrent. I'm a cheap bastard.

[junior94]

I know, I am just frustrated that they I am going to have to watch all the episodes twice in one week now.... as if Lost didn't already consume enough of my life

Well, and you have to look at it from a business point of view, as in ratings. Obviously right now (whether it's directly due to the strike or not) ABC just doesn't have enough original programming to fill every single weeknight slot, so they're showing LOST repeats. And you figure, they have to do something to lure people into watching something again that they already have before, so they add new information (sorta), by way of this pop-up video thing. By doing it during the first run, they lose their main hook for doing it the following week.


And talking about the actor Jeremy Davies for a minute, granted when I first heard he was cast, I was very excited about it. I've always enjoyed him. And now that I'm seeing his character, I like it, but it's also occuring to me that, and I hate to say it, but maybe this is really the only sort of character that Davies can play. The soft spoken, very weird, off the beaten path kind of introvert. Don't get me wrong, he's great at it, but maybe acting wise he just don't got much more than that :shrug

[@drian]

Don't get me wrong, he's great at it, but maybe acting wise he just don't got much more than that :shrug

Yup, he was great in SPR and Rescue Dawn but they were very similar characters.

[junior94]

I know, I am just frustrated that they I am going to have to watch all the episodes twice in one week now.... as if Lost didn't already consume enough of my life

Yea these "enhanced" ones, especially if they continue on with them, seem to basically be turning into one more of these sort of side projects under the LOST banner (the online game from a couple years ago, these "Sam" diaries, etc), that to enjoy the basic overall story of the show you don't need to have experienced it all, it just gives bonus points to the hardcore fans to help flesh some things out a little more to make them that much deeper.

[smeritt]

Time Dilation, part of relativity.Haha I was talking about East coast/west coast. Don't know when you guys on the east coast get it and when i get it. But that makes sense for the show

[smeritt]

And talking about the actor Jeremy Davies for a minute, granted when I first heard he was cast, I was very excited about it. I've always enjoyed him. And now that I'm seeing his character, I like it, but it's also occuring to me that, and I hate to say it, but maybe this is really the only sort of character that Davies can play. The soft spoken, very weird, off the beaten path kind of introvert. Don't get me wrong, he's great at it, but maybe acting wise he just don't got much more than that :shrug
Not many people can pull of more than one role though. Alot of actors have the same role. Hell I know watching Adam Sandler in a serious movie was weird. Ryan Reynolds trying to do serious stuff just doesnt work. I imagine he has tried to do different roles but casting directors probably just look at him and go, ah your a goofball, play a goofball.

[themaker111]

I think the final two of the Oceanic Six are Sawyer and Locke.

Sawyer loves Kate too much to let her leave. And I think he's the man she says I have to get back to at the end of last season. And Locke because it will be a huge shocker... and thats what this show is all about. Plus, I think Locke is in the coffin at the end of S.3. It makes sense, if he goes back and becomes paralyzed again, he'll probably take his own life... and he has no friends of family to visit him at the funeral parlor. One thing is for sure, it's not Ben in that coffin.

Plus the numbers theory 4 8 15 16 23 42 (each number represents a member of the oceanic six) lays out Sawyer and Locke as the final two.

[@drian]

Plus the numbers theory 4 8 15 16 23 42 (each number represents a member of the oceanic six) lays out Sawyer and Locke as the final two.

That's and interesting theory, but I can't see any connection other than there being 6 numbers.

[Tak_a_Tak]

I think the final two of the Oceanic Six are Sawyer and Locke.

Sawyer loves Kate too much to let her leave. And I think he's the man she says I have to get back to at the end of last season. And Locke because it will be a huge shocker... and thats what this show is all about. Plus, I think Locke is in the coffin at the end of S.3. It makes sense, if he goes back and becomes paralyzed again, he'll probably take his own life... and he has no friends of family to visit him at the funeral parlor. One thing is for sure, it's not Ben in that coffin.

Plus the numbers theory 4 8 15 16 23 42 (each number represents a member of the oceanic six) lays out Sawyer and Locke as the final two.

I said it at the end of last season, and after last night, I'm even more convinced that the “he” Kate refers to at the end of last season, is Ben. If he is able to manipulate the things that we saw last night, I fully believe that he can do the same with Kate. Also, I still think that the body in the coffin was a john doe, faking the death of Hurley in order for him to return to the island.

[GinaNMU]

I think the final two of the Oceanic Six are Sawyer and Locke.

Sawyer loves Kate too much to let her leave. And I think he's the man she says I have to get back to at the end of last season. And Locke because it will be a huge shocker... and thats what this show is all about. Plus, I think Locke is in the coffin at the end of S.3. It makes sense, if he goes back and becomes paralyzed again, he'll probably take his own life... and he has no friends of family to visit him at the funeral parlor. One thing is for sure, it's not Ben in that coffin.

Plus the numbers theory 4 8 15 16 23 42 (each number represents a member of the oceanic six) lays out Sawyer and Locke as the final two.

Hmm...but the thing is that it absolutely COULD be Ben in that coffin. We don't know when the Sayid backstory happened and when the Jack backstory happened, right? Sayid's could have taken place before Jack's, mean that Bean could definitely be dead by then.

I also don't understand the #s... What do 23 and 42 have to do w/ Sawyer and Locke?

[@drian]

I also don't understand the #s... What do 23 and 42 have to do w/ Sawyer and Locke?

Or for that matter what does 4, 8, 15, 16 have to do with, Jack, Kate, Hurley and Sayid?

If it was their seat numbers count me in.

[Tak_a_Tak]

Or for that matter what does 4, 8, 15, 16 have to do with, Jack, Kate, Hurley and Sayid?

If it was their seat numbers count me in.

Maybe is has to do with the number of people they have killed, only Hurley should be at 4. (1) He ran over the dude with the bus, (2) who was it that droped dead right after he won the money, (3 & 4)and didn't two people from the news crew go in the Chicken Coup right before that thing fell from the sky and took out the entire building?







I'm totally making that up.

[GohanDX]

could that have been Sayid in the casket? I mean he did just get shot by the people he was trying to kill. Plus they seem to know that he's after them. Maybe Jack knew about what he was doing, and saw that he died, and that's what sparked the emotional outburst from him.

[41ravens]

person in casket = abaddon(?)

wouldn't be friend or family of jack. guy seems to be into some deep shit, which means he probably doesn't have much contact with friends/family, which would explain why nobody shows up. and this could be why jack was emotional, cause he knew this guy was his only way back to the island.

food for thought.

[41ravens]

also, why did charlotte not seem too concerned to let her team know that ben had a spy on their boat? wouldn't that be something that she might want to tell them?

[dh4645]

Hmm...but the thing is that it absolutely COULD be Ben in that coffin. We don't know when the Sayid backstory happened and when the Jack backstory happened, right? Sayid's could have taken place before Jack's, mean that Bean could definitely be dead by then.


very true

[smeritt]

also, why did charlotte not seem too concerned to let her team know that ben had a spy on their boat? wouldn't that be something that she might want to tell them?Good point.

[@drian]

Good point.

Maybe they already know about the spy? Maybe everyone knows but Minkowski.

[clayj41]

Maybe they already know about the spy? Maybe everyone knows but Minkowski.

Maybe Minkowski is the spy.

[themaker111]

The number theory is a stretch I admit but it does hold some wait. It represents a significant number in each member's life. Here is a breakdown -

4: John Locke - paralyzed for four years before reaching the Island. 4 would likely be the man in the coffin who died on April 4 or 04/04/08. The circumstances around the inclusion of 4 might also explain why the person in the coffin committed suicide.
8: Sawyer was 8 years old when his parents were killed.
15: The event that sent Hurley to the hospital the first time involved 15 people dying on the porch at a party.
16: Jack's first big surgery involved a 16 year old girl.
23: Kate was wanted for 23,000 dollars, and was 23 years old when she killed her stepfather.
42: Sayid tortured 42 people while in the Republican Guard.

Just something to think about.

[@drian]

Maybe Minkowski is the spy.

Oh yes I like that idea.

The number theory is a stretch I admit but it does hold some wait. It represents a significant number in each member's life. Here is a breakdown -

4: John Locke - paralyzed for four years before reaching the Island. 4 would likely be the man in the coffin who died on April 4 or 04/04/08. The circumstances around the inclusion of 4 might also explain why the person in the coffin committed suicide.
8: Sawyer was 8 years old when his parents were killed.
15: The event that sent Hurley to the hospital the first time involved 15 people dying on the porch at a party.
16: Jack's first big surgery involved a 16 year old girl.
23: Kate was wanted for 23,000 dollars, and was 23 years old when she killed her stepfather.
42: Sayid tortured 42 people while in the Republican Guard.

Nicely done.

[themaker111]

Hmm...but the thing is that it absolutely COULD be Ben in that coffin. We don't know when the Sayid backstory happened and when the Jack backstory happened, right? Sayid's could have taken place before Jack's, mean that Bean could definitely be dead by then.

I also don't understand the #s... What do 23 and 42 have to do w/ Sawyer and Locke?

If my number theory holds up (which I just posted above) then it adds to the possibility that its Locke in the coffin.

As far as the events and their order, I feel like the events of Jack at the end of S.3 happened within months of their return home. Sayid and Ben's events seem to have taken place much later. Think about all the time it would take for Sayid to return home, flip flop to Ben's POV, and assassinate numerous people.

Plus, Ben has connections and knows things. His death would yield some people and make some splash. I think the whole point of these flash forwards is to show that Ben IS CORRECT. Sayid figured it out, Jack figured it out, they will all figure it out eventually and if Ben dies it will hold more weight than a funeral nobody goes to.

John Locke comes home, paralyzed and alone, falls into depression, kills hiimself and nobody cares. He has no friends, no family. But Jack goes because he realizes that Locke was right. They never should have left the island.

Just my theory...

[smeritt]

If my number theory holds up (which I just posted above) then it adds to the possibility that its Locke in the coffin.

As far as the events and their order, I feel like the events of Jack at the end of S.3 happened within months of their return home. Sayid and Ben's events seem to have taken place much later. Think about all the time it would take for Sayid to return home, flip flop to Ben's POV, and assassinate numerous people.

Plus, Ben has connections and knows things. His death would yield some people and make some splash. I think the whole point of these flash forwards is to show that Ben IS CORRECT. Sayid figured it out, Jack figured it out, they will all figure it out eventually and if Ben dies it will hold more weight than a funeral nobody goes to.

John Locke comes home, paralyzed and alone, falls into depression, kills hiimself and nobody cares. He has no friends, no family. But Jack goes because he realizes that Locke was right. They never should have left the island.

Just my theory...I think you are very onto something. As we have seen in the past, Sayid is generally never wrong. Jack is clearly distraught and Hurley knows they should go back. Kate would not want to go to Locke's funeral because she kidnapped him and tried to keep her on the island.