LOST (the tv show)

[JimiThang1]

Awesomeo!

[tgg5014]

So that was crazy. I liked that they gave us questions but answered them in the same episode. Not that I understand everything haha. I feel like they're showing us the pieces about what is going on with the island and are setting us up for them to put it all together.

[clayj41]

If anything goes wrong, Desmond Hume is my constant. :hump

[ant_marching41]

If anything goes wrong, Desmond Hume will be my constant.




HOLY SHIT! :bounce


The Desmond/Penny phone call was one of the most emotional scenes of the series.


I got chills when past Desmond made a smirk just as he realised that the constant worked.


Amazing episode. So many things to think about.

[junior94]

Wow, this is as intense as 24

Don't you dare insult LOST with such nonsense statements :p

i like how they handled the time thing and didn't cause any paradoxes...like a lot of tv shows and movies do when they try and deal with time

Welllllll, I don't know about that. I hate to be a naysayer, but I'm not entirely sure this all shook out logically. Anytime you deal with time travel as a story element it's so easy to leave yourself open to huge plotholes. So taking the timeline as it was presented tonight, it played out (at least to me) that Penny's desperate present day search for Desmond and the island was largely (if not entirely) predicated on this strange event of him showing up at her door in 1996 after they were broken up and him begging her to answer the phone in 8 years.

But that didn't happen until Desmond just went back and changed it. In the "original" timeline, Desmond never did that, so what was it about between the time when Des joined the Army (when Penny obviously felt angry and thru with him) and the present day events we've been familiar with over the past 3 seasons that made her so diligently search for him?

See what I'm saying?

[clayj41]

Don't you dare insult LOST with such nonsense statements :p



Welllllll, I don't know about that. I hate to be a naysayer, but I'm not entirely sure this all shook out logically. Anytime you deal with time travel as a story element it's so easy to leave yourself open to huge plotholes. So taking the timeline as it was presented tonight, it played out (at least to me) that Penny's desperate present day search for Desmond and the island was largely (if not entirely) predicated on this strange event of him showing up at her door in 1996 after they were broken up and him begging her to answer the phone in 8 years.

But that didn't happen until Desmond just went back and changed it. In the "original" timeline, Desmond never did that, so what was it about between the time when Des joined the Army (when Penny obviously felt angry and thru with him) and the present day events we've been familiar with over the past 3 seasons that made her so diligently search for him?

See what I'm saying?

I'm still confused by Desmond's first vision after the hatch blew up, the soccer game, meeting Charlie, the wedding ring, etc.

There are too many questions when it comes to time travel, but I just take it for what it is and let the producers/writers to tell me what to think being that there are so many different interpretations when it comes to time travelling .

[jmanheels]

So taking the timeline as it was presented tonight, it played out (at least to me) that Penny's desperate present day search for Desmond and the island was largely (if not entirely) predicated on this strange event of him showing up at her door in 1996 after they were broken up and him begging her to answer the phone in 8 years.

But that didn't happen until Desmond just went back and changed it. In the "original" timeline, Desmond never did that, so what was it about between the time when Des joined the Army (when Penny obviously felt angry and thru with him) and the present day events we've been familiar with over the past 3 seasons that made her so diligently search for him?

See what I'm saying?


I think that Penny completely forgot about the Christmas Eve call, and once Desmond was gone, she realized her love for him and began searching. I think the only reason that he went to her was to get her number. I think that she really didnt remember it, cause it took her a while to answer the phone. If you were expecting a call from a man whose been missing for 3 years, then you'd answer the phone. So its not contradictory, because she wouldve searched for him anyway. It was just a matter of him having the number.

[hbktonyb]

I'm still confused by Desmond's first vision after the hatch blew up, the soccer game, meeting Charlie, the wedding ring, etc.

There are too many questions when it comes to time travel, but I just take it for what it is and let the producers/writers to tell me what to think being that there are so many different interpretations when it comes to time travelling .

he was basically having some kind of out of body experience making him go back to a place, in this case 1996, he has already been. his mind was in 1996 but his body was in both places, meaning his body doesn't physically move. you can see this b/c the number wasn't written on his hand in both scenes. so basically his conscious time traveled, not his body.

[clayj41]

he was basically having some kind of out of body experience making him go back to a place, in this case 1996, he has already been. his mind was in 1996 but his body was in both places, meaning his body doesn't physically move. you can see this b/c the number wasn't written on his hand in both scenes. so basically his conscious time traveled, not his body.

Would he not have recognized Charlie though the first time they met, granted it was just a street interaction.

[smeritt]

Its more or less deja vu in my opinion. All this has already happened.

[TwoStep2888]

That was probably the best episode this show has ever had.

[smeritt]

So I think the Dharma Initiative was originally formed to find The Black Rock. Once the Hanso family found the island they realized its unique properties and hence formed the Dharma Initiative to study it.

[@drian]

Would he not have recognized Charlie though the first time they met, granted it was just a street interaction.

After Penny's father told Desmond he wasn't worthy? And then Des saw Charlie playing the guitar for money? That's the only time I remember him seeing Charlie and Des obviously recognized him, as he said something like "Hey I know you, we were on an island"

[clayj41]

After Penny's father told Desmond he wasn't worthy? And then Des saw Charlie playing the guitar for money? That's the only time I remember him seeing Charlie and Des obviously recognized him, as he said something like "Hey I know you, we were on an island"

Yes, I'm referring to the interaction with street musician Charlie. I know he recognizes him then, but the paradox occurs when you begin to wonder why the first time Desmond met Charlie on the island in the hatch, he didn't recognize him.

[@drian]

Yes, I'm referring to the interaction with street musician Charlie. I know he recognizes him then, but the paradox occurs when you begin to wonder why the first time Desmond met Charlie on the island in the hatch, he didn't recognize him.

I guess he met Charlie for the first time in the hatch.

[clayj41]

I guess he met Charlie for the first time in the hatch.

That's the thing, based on that vision he met him in the streets of London before Flight 815 ever crashed on the island. Its similar to the new situation that Kevin pointed out in his post about whether or not Penny's search for Desmond was based largely on his encounter with her in 1996.

[smeritt]

That's the thing, based on that vision he met him in the streets of London before Flight 815 ever crashed on the island. Its similar to the new situation that Kevin pointed out in his post about whether or not Penny's search for Desmond was based largely on his encounter with her in 1996.
You are correct. Technically its 1996 when he meets charlie and based on such he should have known him in the hatch. Then again we still don't know that circumstance about Des and the hatch because it seemed he was just reliving his life. He had done all these things before. These new visions Des has never done before. You see what I'm saying?

[clayj41]

You are correct. Technically its 1996 when he meets charlie and based on such he should have known him in the hatch. Then again we still don't know that circumstance about Des and the hatch because it seemed he was just reliving his life. He had done all these things before. These new visions Des has never done before. You see what I'm saying?

:thumbsup They may be totally different from each other.



For anyone who doesn't understand my argument, the best comparison I can think of is this...

Don't you think that Marty McFly's parents would've thought that their son had an eerie resemblance to a kid named Calvin Klein that they knew in high school? :lol

[rball1127]

wait so are people saying that he already did this stuff before and now is remembering it?

[junior94]

For anyone who doesn't understand my argument, the best comparison I can think of is this...

Don't you think that Marty McFly's parents would've thought that their son had an eerie resemblance to a kid named Calvin Klein that they knew in high school? :lol

Yea, mind you I'd argue with anyone who'd try to assert that the BACK TO THE FUTURE trilogy isn't just great, fun, classic filmmaking, but you have to acknowledge that "little" detail in particular is one of the biggest plotholes and needs of suspensions of disbelief in movies of the last 30 years :D
Gee, they not only knew this kid, but he was pretty much the main central reason for them having first gotten together, but nahh... they don't recognize him later on (not to mention him having miraculously correctly predicted their 8 year old son would set fire to the living room rug :p )

[clayj41]

wait so are people saying that he already did this stuff before and now is remembering it?

No one knows, that's the caveat about time travelling.

[@drian]

Yea, mind you I'd argue with anyone who'd try to assert that the BACK TO THE FUTURE trilogy isn't just great, fun, classic filmmaking, but you have to acknowledge that "little" detail in particular is one of the biggest plotholes and needs of suspensions of disbelief in movies of the last 30 years :D
Gee, they not only knew this kid, but he was pretty much the main central reason for them having first gotten together, but nahh... they don't recognize him later on (not to mention him having miraculously correctly predicted their 8 year old son would set fire to the living room rug :p )

Yah, that and there would eventually be like 4040404 Martys running around. Because when he comes back he witness himself watching Doc get shot and then speeding off into the past. So it would just keep reapting itself over and over and over agian.

[@drian]

No one knows, that's the caveat about time travelling.

I'm pretty sure Faraday said it wasn't time travel.

[clayj41]

I'm pretty sure Faraday said it wasn't time travel.

Obviously, but I don't have another word for it.

[@drian]

Obviously, but I don't have another word for it.

The way I understand it is that when he blew up the hatch he irradiated himself and ever since has been having flashes. Faraday demonstrated this on the rat and explained it as "your conscience leaving" I believe.

I wonder if Faraday irradiated himself and can now see into the future, which would explain that little thing with the deck of cards.

[tgg5014]

Does anyone think that the reason Faraday is coming to the island is to find Desmond?

[clayj41]

The way I understand it is that when he blew up the hatch he irradiated himself and ever since has been having flashes. Faraday demonstrated this on the rat and explained it as "your conscience leaving" I believe.

I wonder if Faraday irradiated himself and can now see into the future, which would explain that little thing with the deck of cards.

Exactly, only in this case "your conscience leaving" has an effect on future events...i.e. Desmond calling Penny


As for Faraday irradiating himself, that could also explain why he was crying when watching the footage of the 815 wreckage.

[@drian]

I'm trying to figure out the sequence of events, and I can't figure this out: When Desmond was interviewing for a job with Widmore he was asked if he was a military man and Desmond said no. So does Desmond have multiple time lines? Did he join the military after Widmore shot him down?

In one case does he run off to sail across the world? And in another he leaves Penny to join the military?

[clayj41]

I'm trying to figure out the sequence of events, and I can't figure this out: When Desmond was interviewing for a job with Widmore he was asked if he was a military man and Desmond said no. So does Desmond have multiple time lines? Did he join the military after Widmore shot him down?

In one case does he run off to sail across the world? And in another he leaves Penny to join the military?

I believe he did both. I'd have to rewatch some episodes though...I remember after serving his dishonorable discharge sentence in military prison, he then decided to sail across the world. I could be totally off base though.

[@drian]

I believe he did both. I'd have to rewatch some episodes though...I remember after serving his dishonorable discharge sentence in military prison, he then decided to sail across the world. I could be totally off base though.

Oh really? So you think it's all a single time line? Yah I really have to go back and re-watch seasons 1-2.

[clayj41]

Oh really? So you think it's all a single time line? Yah I really have to go back and re-watch seasons 1-2.

I do, yes.

[DMBZeppelin]

Important Note: That was the first mate's diary and it was being auction off by descendant, Hansos... aka the guy that founded the Dharma Initiative
I didn't even realize that, and Penny's dad bought it. How did Desmond wind up on Penny's dad's race? I know he wanted to prove himself, or whatever. But who approached who? Did her dad want to get rid of him completely, and knew where to send him?

[junior94]

Does anyone think that the reason Faraday is coming to the island is to find Desmond?

I can't imagine that would be the case, unless it would be a thing where Faraday is looking for that, but he didn't realize that's the specific thing he was looking for. The way that last little scene with him looking in his notebook played to me, I'm pretty sure that was the first time for him seeing that note written down about Desmond being his constant, that that was now changed in the future (well, the present day, that is, on the island), solely based on what had occurred in the past by Desmond coming to find him at Oxford. So that was an example of how the present day was altered by something that was changed in the past.

I'm trying to figure out the sequence of events, and I can't figure this out: When Desmond was interviewing for a job with Widmore he was asked if he was a military man and Desmond said no. So does Desmond have multiple time lines? Did he join the military after Widmore shot him down?

In one case does he run off to sail across the world? And in another he leaves Penny to join the military?

The way events played out in season 3, Desmond had his meeting with Mr. Widmore that was under the guise of a job interview (as far as Penny knew) but where Des planned on asking pops for his blessing to ask her to marry him. Widmore said no, was a pompous prick and threw him out, and I believe at some point shortly thereafter as a way to prove to himself he was a worthy man, he joined the British Armed Forces.
I can't remember if we've yet learned why this was the case, but Desmond was dishonorably discharged from their service after an undisclosed amount of time, and sometime after that he went to America already having the solar race in his plans, had his run in with Libby, got the boat from her, and entered the race.

[clayj41]

I can't remember if we've yet learned why this was the case, but Desmond was dishonorably discharged from their service after an undisclosed amount of time, and sometime after that he went to America already having the solar race in his plans, had his run in with Libby, got the boat from her, and entered the race.

I wonder if Desmond's dishonorable discharge came as a result of going AWOL and searching for Faraday and Penny. I know he had 2 days leave to do so, but it seems that it would take a longer time to find both of them. This is definitely a reach, I highly doubt I'm right.

[ant_marching41]

I wonder if Desmond's dishonorable discharge came as a result of going AWOL and searching for Faraday and Penny. I know he had 2 days leave to do so, but it seems that it would take a longer time to find both of them. This is definitely a reach, I highly doubt I'm right.
Wasn't he locked up though? And then discharged?

[junior94]

I didn't even realize that, and Penny's dad bought it. How did Desmond wind up on Penny's dad's race? I know he wanted to prove himself, or whatever. But who approached who? Did her dad want to get rid of him completely, and knew where to send him?

No I dont' believe it was a matter of either of them approaching the other. Desmond simply learned of Widmore's race somehow (I'm guessing in a manner of how anyone else could've), and so got the idea in his head that if he entered and won, he'd show Widmore what kind of man he was and gain his respect.

Though, for what it's worth, this is where I can't relate to Desmond's character in the least. If it's me and I have this love for this girl, it was made obvious that Penny ultimately didn't care that her father couldn't see Desmond for how good of a man that she knew that he was already, so if the father doesn't like me for whatever reason, I honestly couldn't give a rat's ass. I love her, I know she loves me, and at the end of the day that's all that matters. The father can fuckin blow me for all I care, it would've been nice to have his blessing but I don't need it, particularly if he's going to act like an upper crust snobbish ass like that, already for that reason I know I'm better than him, so he can suck it. I'm off to live my life with my purrty girl and bang the living crap outta her :cool

[@drian]

Hey Junior you were right about them bringing up Christmas.

[JimiThang1]

I can't imagine that would be the case, unless it would be a thing where Faraday is looking for that, but he didn't realize that's the specific thing he was looking for. The way that last little scene with him looking in his notebook played to me, I'm pretty sure that was the first time for him seeing that note written down about Desmond being his constant, that that was now changed in the future (well, the present day, that is, on the island), solely based on what had occurred in the past by Desmond coming to find him at Oxford. So that was an example of how the present day was altered by something that was changed in the past.

Yea that's the way I saw it as.

[clayj41]

Wasn't he locked up though? And then discharged?

I assumed his being locked up was a result of his discharge. Of course his discharge wouldn't be official until he was released from military prison.

[ant_marching41]

I assumed his being locked up was a result of his discharge. Of course his discharge wouldn't be official until he was released from military prison.
Ahh I see.

[junior94]

I wonder if Desmond's dishonorable discharge came as a result of going AWOL and searching for Faraday and Penny. I know he had 2 days leave to do so, but it seems that it would take a longer time to find both of them. This is definitely a reach, I highly doubt I'm right.

No, it can't have, because that hadn't happened yet (in the "original" timeline, if you want to think of it that way). The way I took tonight's events were, Desmond literally went back in time to the past and relived and in doing so altered those particular moments. So in the 'original' way the timeline played out, yes he'd broken up with Penny way back when, but he never then came to her out of the blue later when she'd moved into her new apartment and begged to have her phone # just so he could call her in 8 years.

Mind you, he did have those 2 days leave "originally", and no we don't know what he did with them the 'first time' around, so maybe whatever he did then is the reason he was dishonorably discharged, who knows. But that doesn't really seem like that important of information, I doubt we'll have it played out any time in the future.

[junior94]

Hey Junior you were right about them bringing up Christmas.

;)

:D

edit: WTF? since when can't you have a post that's just one smiley face? I tried to post with just the wink, and I got a warning to "please lengthen your post. It must have at least 4 characters" ehhhh??

[clayj41]

No, it can't have, because that hadn't happened yet (in the "original" timeline, if you want to think of it that way). The way I took tonight's events were, Desmond literally went back in time to the past and relived and in doing so altered those particular moments. So in the 'original' way the timeline played out, yes he'd broken up with Penny way back when, but he never then came to her out of the blue later when she'd moved into her new apartment and begged to have her phone # just so he could call her in 8 years.

Ahhhhhh, I hate time travelling! :lol

[@drian]

Ahhhhhh, I hate time travelling! :lol

I know it was much easier back in the day when all we had to worry about was smoke monsters and polar bears.

[clayj41]

;)

:D

edit: WTF? since when can't you have a post that's just one smiley face? I tried to post with just the wink, and I got a warning to "please lengthen your post. It must have at least 4 characters" ehhhh??

That's been the case for some time. I could post just a (:mad) because it contains more than 4 characters in text form.

[clayj41]

:mad

[clayj41]

I know it was much easier back in the day when all we had to worry about was smoke monsters and polar bears.

Just wait until we find out that the smoke monster and polar bears can time travel.

[@drian]

Well on another topic, I think I've officially come to the conclusion that Sun and Jin will be #5 and 6.

[UCFish]

Wow that was good.

Last scene as others have said very emotional.

[UCFish]

Also who opened the door on the boat??

Ben's spy???

[crushmebaby.]

I hope everyone had their minds blown as much as I did tonight!!! One of the best hours of my life!

[junior94]

Also who opened the door on the boat??

Ben's spy???

Yea, that seemed to me to be pretty clear.

Btw, something I found odd going back a couple episodes now... if Lapidus and Faraday were obviously so uncomfortable and unwilling to answer Desmond's question while still back on the island that whatever they were doing with/on the freighter had something to do with Pops Widmore, wouldn't you kinda think that they'd then want to discourage Des from going back with them to the freighter as much as possible? Try to keep him off that helicopter? I mean that hit me right from that moment in that ep.

Umm, yea... we're being all cagey about whether we've heard of this guy, we're totally not going to give in and answer your question... but... you wanna fly back with us on the helicopter to our freighter so you can ask and freak out some of our other people with the same question? And it's not as if on a boat we can run away from you and hide to avoid the scrutiny or anything, we'd be straight up stuck in an isolated environment with you. Hey sure, no problem!! Saddle up!

WTF? :lol

[smeritt]

I think everyone else keeps forgetting what Farraday said, you can't change the future, it already happened. So I'd say it is very fair to say that Des was discharged for going AWOL and that note was always there and Farraday just forgot, he had a so many notes in there its very easy to forget.

Another thing I noticed. Pennys father sent Des to see Penny so that Penny could explain why she doesn't want to talk to him anymore. Mr. Widmore said he didn't hate Desmond and Penny had to explain it to him. She never really did that.

I also think even if Desmond didnt have his flashes who would he have called if he had a phone? Penny. Now he just had a reason to call Penny. Anyway it was going to happen. Just like his flashes with Charlie, he was going to die no matter how many times Desmond saved him. You cant change the future.

[dh4645]

No, it can't have, because that hadn't happened yet (in the "original" timeline, if you want to think of it that way). The way I took tonight's events were, Desmond literally went back in time to the past and relived and in doing so altered those particular moments. So in the 'original' way the timeline played out, yes he'd broken up with Penny way back when, but he never then came to her out of the blue later when she'd moved into her new apartment and begged to have her phone # just so he could call her in 8 years.

Mind you, he did have those 2 days leave "originally", and no we don't know what he did with them the 'first time' around, so maybe whatever he did then is the reason he was dishonorably discharged, who knows. But that doesn't really seem like that important of information, I doubt we'll have it played out any time in the future.

who says this isn't all one timeline?

i think desmond originally (in 1996) did do all of those things, but just couldnt remember the number from 8 years ago. i think faraday wrote that in thing about desmond in his notebook in 1996, but just finally remembered he had written it there.

you think back 8 years and see if you can remember everything that happened to you....good luck.

[dh4645]

I think everyone else keeps forgetting what Farraday said, you can't change the future, it already happened. So I'd say it is very fair to say that Des was discharged for going AWOL and that note was always there and Farraday just forgot, he had a so many notes in there its very easy to forget.

Another thing I noticed. Pennys father sent Des to see Penny so that Penny could explain why she doesn't want to talk to him anymore. Mr. Widmore said he didn't hate Desmond and Penny had to explain it to him. She never really did that.

I also think even if Desmond didnt have his flashes who would he have called if he had a phone? Penny. Now he just had a reason to call Penny. Anyway it was going to happen. Just like his flashes with Charlie, he was going to die no matter how many times Desmond saved him. You cant change the future.

exactly...therefore, like i originally said...no time paradox

[Heavy As Stone]

One thing that my wife and I are confused about... So Desmond basically lost all of his memories from 1996 until 2004. Did he get them back at the end of the show, or is he still all messed up?

I am also a bit confused about the Desmond timeline. I'll have to do some research and try to figure it all out...

To be honest, I'm not sure how I felt about that episode. I liked the show when it was a lot less scifi-ish.

[Turd_Ferguson.]

I hope everyone had their minds blown as much as I did tonight!!! One of the best hours of my life!

Holy crap, I was riveted the whole episode. Wow.

[Heavy As Stone]

Ok, so I just read this:

http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Desmond

part of which gives us an overview of Desmond's pre-island experience.

Desmond was engaged to Ruth, but broke it off a week before they were married, which is when he became a monk. At the end of his monkdom, he met Penny, and they dated for two years. He broke it off with her in 1996, as we saw last night. This is where I found a mistake (although a small one) that the writers make. Ruth told Desmond that his only spiritual experience was when "Celtic won the Scottish cup in 1995." However, if Desmond broke things off with Penny in 1996, they must have started dating in 1994, so it was sometime in early 1994 or maybe even 1993 that Desmond was engaged to Ruth. So how them would she know about the Scottish cup in 1995? Again, not that it matters, but.. whoops!

Anyway, as to the question of Desmond's timeline, I am pretty sure that it is just one solid timeline. He breaks it off with Penny and joins the military. She is still pissed off about him breaking up with her during our "flashbacks" last night, partially because it is so soon. However, our Desmond in the present time on the freighter has forgotten everything that has happened to him since 1996, so he wouldn't remember any of his other run-ins with Penny or her dad, like how she found him before the boat race. When he didn't show up after a year when the race was over like he told her, she began her search. She may or may not have remembered their conversation in 1996 about the phone call, but she was searching for him anyway, so it doesn't really seem to matter. It seems she has located him as well, calling the freighter and knowing about the island. Or, at the very least, she is getting pretty close.

My question still is... has Desmond regained his memories from 1996 to 2004 at the end of the episode? To him, during the episode, 1996 was the present, and he was traveling to the future. After finding his "constant," did his mind fix itself so that he could distinguish each present as the present? Still a bit confused...

[TrippinBilliam]

My question still is... has Desmond regained his memories from 1996 to 2004 at the end of the episode? To him, during the episode, 1996 was the present, and he was traveling to the future. After finding his "constant," did his mind fix itself so that he could distinguish each present as the present? Still a bit confused...

Well, that's what I got from it. He all of a sudden knew who Sayid was and that he had been on an island.

[Heavy As Stone]

Well, that's what I got from it. He all of a sudden knew who Sayid was and that he had been on an island.

When he called Sayid by name, I was wondering if he knew who Sayid was, or if he had heard Sayid (or someone else) say his name at another point in the episode.

[Tak_a_Tak]

When he called Sayid by name, I was wondering if he knew who Sayid was, or if he had heard Sayid (or someone else) say his name at another point in the episode.

His brain couldn't keep up with what was going on between the "flashes of the past" and what was going on present day. Just like the rat, his brain could process if it was really 1996 and he was have flashes of the future, or if it was 2004 with flashes of the past. That is why he couldn't remember anyone or anything about the island. He need a constant in both the 'flashes of the past' and the present day in order to put this brain back in the correct state. Once the made the connection with Penny, his constant had be established and the brain was put back in the present day fully, and he could remember everything again. His brain wasn't living back in 1996 anymore. That is why he told Penny about the island, and why he remembered Sayid, and who he was.

[GinaNMU]

Also who opened the door on the boat??

Ben's spy???

Michael, Michael!! :multi (not a spoiler, total guess on my behalf...and I know we've already discussed the fact that a lot of people think Michael is the man).


I'm so pissed, I wrote out this HUGE post last night, and then his Submit and it f'ed up. So I'll just say last night's ep was brilliantly written...I'm loving the way they twisted this "time travel" issue to be mostly an consciousness, and the scene with Des and Penny was amazing, I was in tears.

But one question...are we all on the same page that time IS in fact the same on and off the island? On the island, on the freightor, and in real Penny life it was Dec. 24th, 2004, right? So what do you guys think it meant when Faraday said something like "the amount of time you THINK the copter has been gone for may not necessarily be accurate?"

:multi Best show ever. I actually feel lucky that I watch this.

[jmkratt]

Michael, Michael!! :multi (not a spoiler, total guess on my behalf...and I know we've already discussed the fact that a lot of people think Michael is the man).

I was kinda hoping when the door was open we'd see Michael...but no :shrug

I agree though, I think it's Michael :thumbsup

[@drian]

My question still is... has Desmond regained his memories from 1996 to 2004 at the end of the episode? To him, during the episode, 1996 was the present, and he was traveling to the future. After finding his "constant," did his mind fix itself so that he could distinguish each present as the present? Still a bit confused...

Yes that's the way I understand it.

My question is Mikowski really dead? I guess he has to be because if he survives that would be a little bit anti-climatic for Desmond and his need to call Penny to survive. I was just thinking that character would be around for a little bit longer.

[@drian]

edit: WTF? since when can't you have a post that's just one smiley face? I tried to post with just the wink, and I got a warning to "please lengthen your post. It must have at least 4 characters" ehhhh??

I'm not surprised one bit that it took you this long to learn of the 4 character quota.

[UNLTrpt]

I'm just gonna have to watch last nights episode again cause I don't think I processed it all.

[Heavy As Stone]

I'm not surprised one bit that it took you this long to learn of the 4 character quota.

:lol

[UNLTrpt]

I'm not surprised one bit that it took you this long to learn of the 4 character quota.

def.

[dh4645]

But one question...are we all on the same page that time IS in fact the same on and off the island? On the island, on the freightor, and in real Penny life it was Dec. 24th, 2004, right? So what do you guys think it meant when Faraday said something like "the amount of time you THINK the copter has been gone for may not necessarily be accurate?"

:multi Best show ever. I actually feel lucky that I watch this.

how do you know it's december 24th on the island?

yeah, that whole thing/storm/whatever they went through still has some weird time effect. it seems like the chopper was only flying for less than an hour, but jack said it's been a day. very weird.

[rball1127]

did anyone think desmonds friend in the army looked like one of the guys on the boat?

[rball1127]

Army guy:
http://bp3.blogger.com/_Hxnvg45zlCw/R8eRv4EXsDI/AAAAAAAAANI/8cfiC2tqfXk/s1600-h/pict+2008-02-28+10-35-0210.jpg

Boat guy:
http://bp2.blogger.com/_Hxnvg45zlCw/R8ee6oEXsNI/AAAAAAAAAOY/igThLiqixQ8/s1600-h/vlcsnap-00021.jpg

[jmkratt]

Yeah they looked smilar but they aren't the same guy I don't think.

[rball1127]

another thing:

Do people remember the whole thing about desmond and the monk. This is a picture of Ms. Hawkins and his monk friend:
http://images.lostpedia.com/images/7/7f/Camhawk.jpg

This is a picture of where desmond and dan were, in oxford:
http://bp2.blogger.com/_Hxnvg45zlCw/R8eHsoEXrXI/AAAAAAAAAHs/2WuenGzELVc/s1600-h/vlcsnap-00074.jpg


SAME PLACE.....don't know if it means anything, just thought it was cool

[william.hosking]

another thing:

Do people remember the whole thing about desmond and the monk. This is a picture of Ms. Hawkins and his monk friend:
http://images.lostpedia.com/images/7/7f/Camhawk.jpg

This is a picture of where desmond and dan were, in oxford:
http://bp2.blogger.com/_Hxnvg45zlCw/R8eHsoEXrXI/AAAAAAAAAHs/2WuenGzELVc/s1600-h/vlcsnap-00074.jpg


SAME PLACE.....don't know if it means anything, just thought it was cool

Nice catch! I didn't even notice that!

[dh4645]

another thing:

Do people remember the whole thing about desmond and the monk. This is a picture of Ms. Hawkins and his monk friend:
http://images.lostpedia.com/images/7/7f/Camhawk.jpg

This is a picture of where desmond and dan were, in oxford:
http://bp2.blogger.com/_Hxnvg45zlCw/R8eHsoEXrXI/AAAAAAAAAHs/2WuenGzELVc/s1600-h/vlcsnap-00074.jpg


SAME PLACE.....don't know if it means anything, just thought it was cool

yeah, i remembered that. but didn't go and find the pics.

thanks for them!

[GinaNMU]

how do you know it's december 24th on the island?

.

Sayid looked at the calander and said something along the lines of "that's right, it's almost Christmas", like he knew it was right around that time.

[@drian]

Sayid looked at the calander and said something along the lines of "that's right, it's almost Christmas", like he knew it was right around that time.

I think his point was that Sayid was on the ship not the island.

[tgg5014]

I think his point was that Sayid was on the ship not the island.

True, but I think what she was saying was that it seemed like Sayid knew from counting days that it was almost Christmas. Since all of his time was on the island, it seems like there is no time difference.

[junior94]

who says this isn't all one timeline?

i think desmond originally (in 1996) did do all of those things, but just couldnt remember the number from 8 years ago. i think faraday wrote that in thing about desmond in his notebook in 1996, but just finally remembered he had written it there.

you think back 8 years and see if you can remember everything that happened to you....good luck.

I totally concede of course that I could be wrong on this and you could be right, but I highly doubt it. No offense. I stand by my interpretation, that everything we saw Desmond do last night in 1996 was him altering his past, thereby affecting what we know as the island present time of 2004.

I'm so pissed, I wrote out this HUGE post last night, and then his Submit and it f'ed up

Gina I've been burned by that more times than I care to remember, that's why for a long time now, whenever I write anything of even moderate length, be it a website post or a personal email, I ALWAYS copy the text to the clipboard before I do anything else, so if there's a page error I wouldn't have lost it all. ;)

I'm not surprised one bit that it took you this long to learn of the 4 character quota.

Hey, I think what I think and write out what I write out. Nobody's puttin a gun to your head to bother to read it :p ;)
(and besides, all of my lengthy pontifications earned me awhile back the Gina-appointed "official LOST thread guru" title :evil)

[junior94]

another thing:

Do people remember the whole thing about desmond and the monk. This is a picture of Ms. Hawkins and his monk friend:
http://images.lostpedia.com/images/7/7f/Camhawk.jpg

This is a picture of where desmond and dan were, in oxford:
http://bp2.blogger.com/_Hxnvg45zlCw/R8eHsoEXrXI/AAAAAAAAAHs/2WuenGzELVc/s1600-h/vlcsnap-00074.jpg


SAME PLACE.....don't know if it means anything, just thought it was cool

I'd wager that it's very possible this was merely the production team figuring they could use the same location twice for efficiency purposes, I'd be surprised if it had any actual overall plot significance.

[tarheel997]

people thought that was good...?

[@drian]

Hey, I think what I think and write out what I write out. Nobody's puttin a gun to your head to bother to read it :p ;)
(and besides, all of my lengthy pontifications earned me awhile back the Gina-appointed "official LOST thread guru" title :evil)

:lol Don't worry I always enjoy your novels... ugh... I mean posts :D

I'd wager that it's very possible this was merely the production team figuring they could use the same location twice for efficiency purposes, I'd be surprised if it had any actual overall plot significance.

That's what I was thinking as well.

people thought that was good...?

I think that's the general consensus. I know that Tylenol sure is strong, it's surprising they give it to kids.

[dh4645]

I totally concede of course that I could be wrong on this and you could be right, but I highly doubt it. No offense. I stand by my interpretation, that everything we saw Desmond do last night in 1996 was him altering his past, thereby affecting what we know as the island present time of 2004.


i agree that it is confusing in a sense.
but i remember reading some interview or something where the creators of the show discussed time paradoxes and that they figured out a way not to have that occur.
so by taking that and how i took the show, i believe it's all one timeline.

[GinaNMU]

(and besides, all of my lengthy pontifications earned me awhile back the Gina-appointed "official LOST thread guru" title :evil)

:thumbsup And I stand by it!

[GinaNMU]

people thought that was good...?

:lol Yes, everyone. Except you.

[boarderx5423]

I'd wager that it's very possible this was merely the production team figuring they could use the same location twice for efficiency purposes, I'd be surprised if it had any actual overall plot significance.

UCFish posted pictures a few weeks ago.

I think it's this place, and I would agree, no significance.

http://gallery.mac.com/mfisch41#100014/DSC02618&bgcolor=black

[@drian]

i agree that it is confusing in a sense.
but i remember reading some interview or something where the creators of the show discussed time paradoxes and that they figured out a way not to have that occur.
so by taking that and how i took the show, i believe it's all one timeline.

Yah I believe Junior posted that EW article.

[UCFish]

UCFish posted pictures a few weeks ago.

I think it's this place, and I would agree, no significance.

http://gallery.mac.com/mfisch41#100014/DSC02618&bgcolor=black

They use the same areas a lot is what I gathered from my tour. If they can make the convention center be Sydney airport they can definitely make the church oxford. That is I believe the third time this church has been used.

[dh4645]

Yah I believe Junior posted that EW article.

oh yeah. that was that link from a few days ago.

i forgot where i read that.

thanks.

[tgg5014]

Is anyone a Radiohead fan in here? If so, I'm wondering if anyone's ears perked up a bit when Desmond got onto the freighter and said "I'm not here. This isn't happening." I doubt it was a nod to How to Disappear Completely, but it was still pretty cool to me.

[clayj41]

Is anyone a Radiohead fan in here? If so, I'm wondering if anyone's ears perked up a bit when Desmond got onto the freighter and said "I'm not here. This isn't happening." I doubt it was a nod to How to Disappear Completely, but it was still pretty cool to me.

I just sang that line as I read your post. :)

[@drian]

*Cue Kerplunk

[boarderx5423]

Is anyone a Radiohead fan in here? If so, I'm wondering if anyone's ears perked up a bit when Desmond got onto the freighter and said "I'm not here. This isn't happening." I doubt it was a nod to How to Disappear Completely, but it was still pretty cool to me.
:BANG
I refuse to let this thread turn into another goddamn Radiohead thread!

[william.hosking]

Did anyone else think the scene when Desmond calls Penny on December 24, 2004 was the most intensely emotional scene on Lost ever, and of recent television memory? That was an amazing scene. That was a fucking brilliant episode.

[clayj41]

:BANG
I refuse to let this thread turn into another goddamn Radiohead thread!

All good threads do...;) :p

[clayj41]

Did anyone else think the scene when Desmond calls Penny on December 24, 2004 was the most intensely emotional scene on Lost ever, and of recent television memory? That was an amazing scene. That was a fucking brilliant episode.

:thumbsup That was in my initial post after the episode aired. I literally had chills throughout the entire scene.

[amoore624426]

bingo

[themaker111]

Okay, I've got a few thoughts...

one, if one day on the island is equal to twenty minutes off the island, then wouldn't that mean that only a few days have passed (as opposed to the 96 days the islanders perceived).

and two, if there are wormholes on or around the island then maybe the polar bear got sucked in from the ice ages (this would explain the polar bear corpse as it couldn't survive on the island) and maybe the monster is some sort of dinosaur from the prehistoric times. just a few thoughts.

[boarderx5423]

All good threads do...;) :p
I've tried listening to them, but they aren't for me. So I have to respectfully disagree.

[tgg5014]

:BANG
I refuse to let this thread turn into another goddamn Radiohead thread!

Haha that wasn't my intention, I promise. Just thought it was cool.

Okay, I've got a few thoughts...

one, if one day on the island is equal to twenty minutes off the island, then wouldn't that mean that only a few days have passed (as opposed to the 96 days the islanders perceived).

Well since the calendar on the ship matches with the days on the island it seems like there is no actual time difference. Apparently what seemed to take 20 minutes to Sayid actually took 20 hours? I'm not really sure what that whole perception deal is about, but I don't think there is actually a time difference.

[clayj41]

Okay, I've got a few thoughts...

one, if one day on the island is equal to twenty minutes off the island, then wouldn't that mean that only a few days have passed (as opposed to the 96 days the islanders perceived).


Many feel that there was no time continuum problems until the hatch blew up, the punching in of the numbers being the thing that prevented such a problem from existing.


Last night's episode did seem to imply that there is no real time lapse between the island on the real world except that it takes things/people longer to enter/exit the island than it should based on distance. Note Sayid asking how they could leave at dusk and land in the middle of the day...seemingly the same day.

[dh4645]

Many feel that there was no time continuum problems until the hatch blew up, the punching in of the numbers being the thing that prevented such a problem from existing.


Last night's episode did seem to imply that there is no real time lapse between the island on the real world except that it takes things/people longer to enter/exit the island than it should based on distance. Note Sayid asking how they could leave at dusk and land in the middle of the day...seemingly the same day.

yeah thats what it seems like to me too

[hbktonyb]

Is it possible that the flash-forwards are actually "mind" time travels by the losties?

[GinaNMU]

Well since the calendar on the ship matches with the days on the island it seems like there is no actual time difference. Apparently what seemed to take 20 minutes to Sayid actually took 20 hours? I'm not really sure what that whole perception deal is about, but I don't think there is actually a time difference.

:thumbsup Agreed. The only thing I find strange still though is that thing Daniel said to Jack and Juliette about "the amount of time you think has passed since the copter left isn't necessarily the amount of time they've been gone" or something along those lines. The day IS the same on/off the island, right?

[DMBand520]

people thought that was good...?

My g/f thought the same thing. She didn't really like the episode. I didn't think it was the best one this season but I'm really intrigued by the time mystery surrounding the island so I liked it. She isn't really into the sci-fi aspect of the show though. The main reason I even got her to watch it at first is b/c I told her how the producers said that everything on the island had a scientific explanation, which apparently they are now denying :lol ... I'd guess that most people who didn't like that episode don't enjoy the sci-fi (specifically time travel) aspect of the show.

[clayj41]

Is it possible that the flash-forwards are actually "mind" time travels by the losties?

I don't think there's any implication of that. If it is happening, it is not having an effect on the current events of the island, meaning that Jack, Kate, Hurley, Sayid, Aaron are not spacing out in the manner Desmond was last night. The producers are cruel, but not that cruel. :lol



23,000 Posts!!!!!!!!:multi

[clayj41]

The day IS the same on/off the island, right?

That's what I took from it. It just takes longer to enter/exit the island than one would think.

[amoore624426]

23,000 Posts!!!!!!!!


23,000 too many

[clayj41]

23,000 too many

Tell me about it...:rolleyes

[dh4645]

My g/f thought the same thing. She didn't really like the episode. I didn't think it was the best one this season but I'm really intrigued by the time mystery surrounding the island so I liked it. She isn't really into the sci-fi aspect of the show though. The main reason I even got her to watch it at first is b/c I told her how the producers said that everything on the island had a scientific explanation, which apparently they are now denying :lol ... I'd guess that most people who didn't like that episode don't enjoy the sci-fi (specifically time travel) aspect of the show.

i watch(ed) stargate, farscape, supernatural, terminator, eureka, medium, reaper, smallville, the 4400, the dead zone, torchwood,journeyman, etc...so i am very into all the scifi stuff, that's why i thought it was the best episode in a while.

[tankdan]

This is a theory I was kicking around for a while last year and I mentioned it here a few times.

Think of the Island as encased in a "snow globe" type of thing which makes it invisible/untraceable to the outside world (Bermuda Triangle type stuff).

There are a few openings in the snow globe, hence Daniel's insistence that the pilot fly according to specific coordinates. Also, the Dharma people took a sub to the Island because that took them UNDER the perimeter of the snow globe. Finally, when Ben let Michael and Walt go, he gave them coordinates as well.

Now, concerning the recent revelation of a time lapse, here's my idea:

If you pass through one of the "portals" of the snow globe, you experience no time lapse. However, if you pass through the snow globe anywhere else (call it the "shell") then there can be significant time lapses. Remember that Daniel's experiment about the stop watch being fired from the freighter resulted in a 20-minute time differential (or whatever it was). Presumably, the rocket was aimed at Daniel's location but was not given specific flight coordinates, so it passed through the "shell" and suffered a time lapse.

This theory rests on one question about this week's episode: Are we to assume that the helicopter was jolted off-course during the storm (remember they showed the gauge needle swinging wildly) ? I contend that the helicopter was close to a "portal" but didn't have a bulls-eye, so Desmond and his radioactive body suffered the consequences.

Just some ideas. I definitely think that the Island is hidden from the outside world and there are specific pathways that have to be followed to enter the perimeter. This theory could also explain the Black Rock diary's fate and time lapse.

Dan

[jojo04]

It's just a good show. I never watched it until this season, but in one week I caught up to all the episodes streaming on abc and got myself xcaught up for this year. I am still a little pissed i didn't start watching it right away, but i saw them all in chronological order and it made for one helluva week. I like when i am confused, but then it's cleared up then i feel kind of dumb.

[@drian]

It's just a good show. I never watched it until this season, but in one week I caught up to all the episodes streaming on abc and got myself xcaught up for this year. I am still a little pissed i didn't start watching it right away, but i saw them all in chronological order and it made for one helluva week. I like when i am confused, but then it's cleared up then i feel kind of dumb.
:eek
74 episodes in one week? WOW welcome to the club. That's got to be close to 60 hours.

[jojo04]

:eek
74 episodes in one week? WOW welcome to the club. That's got to be close to 60 hours.


I had a slow week. No plans. Fuck my life.

[zigbaldi]

I don't think there's any implication of that. If it is happening, it is not having an effect on the current events of the island, meaning that Jack, Kate, Hurley, Sayid, Aaron are not spacing out in the manner Desmond was last night. The producers are cruel, but not that cruel. :lol




It's because he was exposed to the blast of electromagnitism from the hatch, the doctor said that can trigger it.

[smeritt]

I'm sorry but you guys get stuck on and island for as many years as Desmond and see if you can remember specific events 8 years ago. I can't remember specific events 8 years ago and I've never been around electromagnetism. Farraday says you cant change the future. Plain and simple. Think about it if Desmond found a phone on the boat who is he going to call Penny? Just because he had these flashes he had a reason to call Penny. No matter how many times he saved Charlie, Charlie was going to die. The world has a way of self correcting so you can't change the future. You can change details but not the end outcome. All this stuff has and will happen. Thats how there is no time paradox and the writers are going to make it so.

[clayj41]

It's because he was exposed to the blast of electromagnitism from the hatch, the doctor said that can trigger it.

I know that. The OP questioned whether or not the Oceanic Six flash forwards were the same kind of out of body experiences Desmond experiences. My answer is no.

[Altima22]

Did anyone else think the scene when Desmond calls Penny on December 24, 2004 was the most intensely emotional scene on Lost ever, and of recent television memory? That was an amazing scene. That was a fucking brilliant episode.

I wholeheartedly agree!

[Ballashoes]

It's just a good show. I never watched it until this season, but in one week I caught up to all the episodes streaming on abc and got myself xcaught up for this year. I am still a little pissed i didn't start watching it right away, but i saw them all in chronological order and it made for one helluva week. I like when i am confused, but then it's cleared up then i feel kind of dumb.

I think its good that you didnt start it right away. Id rather watch them all in 1 week then wait every week for a new ep. I wanna just stop watching right now and wait tell the show is over then watch them all.

[Strangely Brown]

I can't read this thread because I have not watched this weeks episode...its still on my TIVo.

Don't bother replying to this because of the above statement.

[rball1127]

don't think it means anything but that episode took place dec 24th, 2004 and the tsunami was dec 26th, 2004


just thought that was interesting

[TapNorris]

This theory rests on one question about this week's episode: Are we to assume that the helicopter was jolted off-course during the storm (remember they showed the gauge needle swinging wildly) ? I contend that the helicopter was close to a "portal" but didn't have a bulls-eye, so Desmond and his radioactive body suffered the consequences.



Not to shoot a hole in your theory, but...they did show the course gauge several times while flying through the storm but never once was it swinging wildly. Remember Frank saying he was a good pilot in one of the previous episodes? He proved that by keeping the helicopter right on course. I think Desmond's side effects had more to do with the lightning.

[tosssweep]

Not to shoot a hole in your theory, but...they did show the course gauge several times while flying through the storm but never once was it swinging wildly. Remember Frank saying he was a good pilot in one of the previous episodes? He proved that by keeping the helicopter right on course. I think Desmond's side effects had more to do with the lightning.

Lightning? No way. When they showed the gauge there were definitely times when it was off the course, not by much, but enough for Desmond to have the "side effects" Faraday mentioned. I think that's what the previous poster meant by "swinging wildly." Nobody even mentioned the lightning strikes in relation to Des's condition...

[clayj41]

I can't read this thread because I have not watched this weeks episode...its still on my TIVo.

Don't bother replying to this because of the above statement.

Go watch it now! :twenty4

:twenty4 <----This should be John Locke

[GinaNMU]

This is a theory I was kicking around for a while last year and I mentioned it here a few times.

Think of the Island as encased in a "snow globe" type of thing which makes it invisible/untraceable to the outside world (Bermuda Triangle type stuff).

There are a few openings in the snow globe, hence Daniel's insistence that the pilot fly according to specific coordinates. Also, the Dharma people took a sub to the Island because that took them UNDER the perimeter of the snow globe. Finally, when Ben let Michael and Walt go, he gave them coordinates as well.

Now, concerning the recent revelation of a time lapse, here's my idea:

If you pass through one of the "portals" of the snow globe, you experience no time lapse. However, if you pass through the snow globe anywhere else (call it the "shell") then there can be significant time lapses. Remember that Daniel's experiment about the stop watch being fired from the freighter resulted in a 20-minute time differential (or whatever it was). Presumably, the rocket was aimed at Daniel's location but was not given specific flight coordinates, so it passed through the "shell" and suffered a time lapse.

This theory rests on one question about this week's episode: Are we to assume that the helicopter was jolted off-course during the storm (remember they showed the gauge needle swinging wildly) ? I contend that the helicopter was close to a "portal" but didn't have a bulls-eye, so Desmond and his radioactive body suffered the consequences.

Just some ideas. I definitely think that the Island is hidden from the outside world and there are specific pathways that have to be followed to enter the perimeter. This theory could also explain the Black Rock diary's fate and time lapse.

Dan

Dan I really like this. I don't know if it's AS complex as this, but it's definitely logical. I also agree w/ the above posts though that the needle wasn't really swinging wildly...however, it sure didn't stay on 31 where I'm guessing it had to stay. Desmond definitely had the side effects b/c of that, not the lightning like has been said above.


Aside from that, 2 things...

Is anyone thinking that what happened to Mienkowski is the "sickness" that Danielle keeps insisting happened to her crew? They may have come to the island through a wrong coordinate? Totally random b/c the lostees aren't having the conscious side effects...but I've been playing around w/ this idea the past couple days.

Also...just something small but cool that my boyfriend pointed out to me...the color of the beam of rediation that Daniel put on Deloise (his rat) was the exact same color the sky turned after the hatch exploded.

[smeritt]

Dan I really like this. I don't know if it's AS complex as this, but it's definitely logical. I also agree w/ the above posts though that the needle wasn't really swinging wildly...however, it sure didn't stay on 31 where I'm guessing it had to stay. Desmond definitely had the side effects b/c of that, not the lightning like has been said above.


Aside from that, 2 things...

Is anyone thinking that what happened to Mienkowski is the "sickness" that Danielle keeps insisting happened to her crew? They may have come to the island through a wrong coordinate? Totally random b/c the lostees aren't having the conscious side effects...but I've been playing around w/ this idea the past couple days.

Also...just something small but cool that my boyfriend pointed out to me...the color of the beam of rediation that Daniel put on Deloise (his rat) was the exact same color the sky turned after the hatch exploded.That's cool I didn't eve nthink about that

[@drian]

Is anyone thinking that what happened to Mienkowski is the "sickness" that Danielle keeps insisting happened to her crew? They may have come to the island through a wrong coordinate? Totally random b/c the lostees aren't having the conscious side effects...but I've been playing around w/ this idea the past couple days.

Also...just something small but cool that my boyfriend pointed out to me...the color of the beam of rediation that Daniel put on Deloise (his rat) was the exact same color the sky turned after the hatch exploded.

Wow two really awesome things to think about! Thanks.

[jmanheels]

maybe the hatch was controlling the "bubble", for lack of a better word, around the island? that could be why 815 got in fine, because the not pushing the button took down the "bubble". It would also explain why it popped up on the radar screen in Alaska or wherever it was for a split second. The bubble was down when the hatch exploded, and Desmond's key put the bubble up again. So it just showed up for a second on the radar.

[dre2142]

Ill still watch the show, but ive become more and more pissed with it.

[UCFish]

I got my girlfriend hooked on the show and have spent all weekend watching season 3. We have almost finished the entire season. Damn Locke was obnoxious last year blowing everything up.

[junior94]

I've been thinking for awhile, is anyone else surprised that ABC hasn't started broadcasting the show in widescreen format? I'm assuming they shoot it in Super 35 (which makes it just as easy to show in letterbox as in 4:3), and it's not like the precedent's not already been set on network TV, hell "E.R." has been doing it for almost a decade now along with probably about half of all NBC's other dramas. Just saying, especially since the DVDs are in their proper widescreen format, it'd be nice if they turned the page and did it for the original broadcasts.

[UNLTrpt]

So I thought this the first time I watched and wondered why no one said anything. I watched it again just now. And...man alive, one of the people who bid on the Hanso journal really looks like this guy (http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Alvar_Hanso)

[il bacio dolce]

Golden passes? They'd have to compensate me with something other than stupid golden passes - hell, why would I ever get on an airplane again? :lol

Ready for season 4.

[clayj41]

So I thought this the first time I watched and wondered why no one said anything. I watched it again just now. And...man alive, one of the people who bid on the Hanso journal really looks like this guy (http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Alvar_Hanso)

Eh, I just rewatched the scene. I don't see a resemblance. :shrug

[clayj41]

Golden passes? They'd have to compensate me with something other than stupid golden passes - hell, why would I ever get on an airplane again? :lol

So you could re-crash on the island. ;)

[UCFish]

I've been thinking for awhile, is anyone else surprised that ABC hasn't started broadcasting the show in widescreen format? I'm assuming they shoot it in Super 35 (which makes it just as easy to show in letterbox as in 4:3), and it's not like the precedent's not already been set on network TV, hell "E.R." has been doing it for almost a decade now along with probably about half of all NBC's other dramas. Just saying, especially since the DVDs are in their proper widescreen format, it'd be nice if they turned the page and did it for the original broadcasts.

I guess I am used to watching it in HD where it is in widescreen. I agree that it should be broadcast this way.

[UNLTrpt]

Eh, I just rewatched the scene. I don't see a resemblance. :shrug

yeah, I figured it wasn't him when people didn't immediately blow up about it. But I honestly thought it was him the first time I watched it.

[cryfreedom4136]

SOOOOO, I just finished the video game... it was okay, I thought it provided a couple interesting tidbits about the island, but in the end they reveal that the whole game is some sort of dream sequence or something... I am not really sure because they didn't explain

[cryfreedom4136]

SOOOOO, I just finished the video game... it was okay, I thought it provided a couple interesting tidbits about the island, but in the end they reveal that the whole game is some sort of dream sequence or something... I am not really sure because they didn't explain

[cryfreedom4136]

So I thought this the first time I watched and wondered why no one said anything. I watched it again just now. And...man alive, one of the people who bid on the Hanso journal really looks like this guy (http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Alvar_Hanso)

What the finger fuck, where did all that information come from??

[il bacio dolce]

So like.... go to watch episode one of season four and it's like not there.
:rolleyes

[clayj41]

SOOOOO, I just finished the video game... it was okay, I thought it provided a couple interesting tidbits about the island, but in the end they reveal that the whole game is some sort of dream sequence or something... I am not really sure because they didn't explain

I've been thinking about picking it up. I would definitely rent it rather than buy it though.


Hopefully that ending is not a sign of things to come. :lol

[malarks26]

Ill still watch the show, but ive become more and more pissed with it.

The writers don't answer any questions, they just keep making more and more questions to answer with each episode that passes. I truly hope by the series finale in a few years that they will have answered every single question.....but I doubt it.

[malarks26]

What the finger fuck, where did all that information come from??

Looks like its a Wikipedia for LOST to me. :p

[cryfreedom4136]

Looks like its a Wikipedia for LOST to me. :p

I know but where did THEY get the information from?

[cryfreedom4136]

I've been thinking about picking it up. I would definitely rent it rather than buy it though.


Hopefully that ending is not a sign of things to come. :lol

It was a decent game, I would recommend renting it, it took me about 6 hours to beat it and get all the achievements for it...



He was still on the island, he just had been dreaming everything that happened on the island... it was wierd, I didn't get it...

[UNLTrpt]

What the finger fuck, where did all that information come from??

yeah. wiki for lost. I love the site.

[tankdan]

maybe the hatch was controlling the "bubble", for lack of a better word, around the island? that could be why 815 got in fine, because the not pushing the button took down the "bubble". It would also explain why it popped up on the radar screen in Alaska or wherever it was for a split second. The bubble was down when the hatch exploded, and Desmond's key put the bubble up again. So it just showed up for a second on the radar.

Spot on, great idea!

Also, I lost the quote, but Gina said it... She mentioned the "sickness" of Danielle's team corresponding to the side effects of crossing the bubble outside of the correct coordinates. That is another great idea.

I have always wanted a Rousseau flashback, it's astonishing that she is the longest-appearing non-Lostie on the show and we still hardly know anything about her. For instance, did Rousseau and Ben ever ACTUALLY hook up or did Ben just steal Alex from Rousseau? Surely Rousseau and the Others had interactions before the plane crashed, right?

If Rousseau is not on the Island because of Dharma, I would really love to find out how she got on the Island.

Finally, I've been trying to piece together everything we've heard in the past few weeks from the Oceanic Six concerning the crash. Hurley told the cop that he never met Ana Lucia, etc etc...

So my question is this: What do you think "THE LIE" is that the Oceanic Six are telling?

Is this correct?: They crash-landed in the water near an Island, Kate saved four or five people (whatever she said during the trial), but the rest of the plane sank. They spent a short time on the Island before being rescued. Kate becomes the hero and the Oceanic Six become icons for surviving the crash.

Thanks,
Dan

[Talula62]

The Lie is everything. Everything that actually happened to the people on Oceanic and everything that happened on the island... all of it. They're big giant wicked liars.

[junior94]

The Lie is everything. Everything that actually happened to the people on Oceanic and everything that happened on the island... all of it. They're big giant wicked liars.

Well put. That's pretty much how I'd regarded it.

But now, back to the whole time travel thing.... Hmm. I heard in the latest audio podcast Darleton sorta defended the logic of the plot by saying that there would be no paradoxes, nothing being done from going back into the past would change the future from what we've already seen and known. But, if we're talking about all the flash forwards we've seen, no I didn't think they were being changed at all, nothing I've seen so far would even begin to suggest that.

And I still stand by my interpretation that what Desmond did when he was "back" in the 90's in London changed the future, but it's not the future really we're talking about. Sure it was the future in regards to being in 1996, but it's really just the present time. So maybe that's how Darleton can get around and be able to correctly say that nothing in the future has been changed by past actions. All these ideas like "well all that stuff could've happened to/with Desmond 8 years ago, he just doesn't rembember it". I'm sorry but that sounds incredibly weak, I mean if that is what was going on I'd be quite dissapointed by that.

But okay so the deal with Faraday and meeting Desmond in '96, and then finding the note in his book that Des will be his constant. There's a perfect example if you've seen the movie "Frequency" that I think will basically explain the same concept of happening. I think the prop was a wallet that the father (Dennis Quaid) back in the 60's needed to get to his son (Jim Caviezel) in the 00's. So the son told him over the radio to put it in a place where it'll never be found. Pops goes over to some big junk chest, opens up a hidden compartment at the bottom of it and stuffs the wallet way down underneath. A moment later, the son goes over and opens up the chest, digs under the compartment and voila -- the (by now) 40 year old wallet is in his hands. So basically, I guess it would be shortly after Des visited Faraday at Oxford, Faraday would've written that note down in his book, and thus it instantly appeared to him there on the island in 2004, him seeing it for the first time. And again, changing the present essentially, not the future.

The one major thing that I didn't get, I'm not sure if it was a writing mistake or what, because it seemed to break the set of rules that they'd established of how Des's time travel was working in the episode. Each time he made the switch, we'd see how he instantly would appear in the other time and of course take a minute to get himself orientated, and the previous time he was in, his physical body was still there but gone catatonic.
Well when he visited Penny towards the end, at first we saw him instantly travel back to the present day boat I think it was pretty much right after he walked out the door. But then a few minutes later, by way of doing a little video montage, inbetween the footage of Des talking on the phone from the freighter in 2004 to Penny, while still hearing the audio of that, we cut to Desmond now having exited Penny's apartment completely and walked across the street, and looking back up at her window. So you see what I'm saying? Every other time he'd switched, there was nothing more to happen for a certain period of time, I guess he went catatonic each time (I'm assuming he didn't like physically dissappear from any of the places for any of the jumps), but on that time, somehow we're seeing now and event that's clearly happening AFTER a point he traveled from, but still in the previous place. Like I said, based on 'the rules' that they set up, that seems to break them.

Good lord I hope someone's even able to halfway understand that jibber jabber :freak :lol

[JenLuvsDMB]

I just watched the episode for the first time yesterday (I had to work on Thursday and this weekend) and all I can say is wow. I don't even know where to start comprehending this episode - but on first impression I loved it. I was happy to get more of Desmond's story, and the emotionally charged scene between him and Penny on the phone brought tears to my eyes. :thumbsup

And Kevin - good call on the time travel. I'm glad you used an example like "Frequency" because it seems to me that they are using the same concept.

[tankdan]

Kevin, my interpretation of Desmond walking away from Penny's house without going catatonic is this:

Since he found his constant in the present, his body was immediately better able to handle his consciousness returning to 2004 (as soon as 2004 Desmond made contact with Penny).

Another idea is that maybe finding Penny signaled the end of his time-switches. Maybe he's left the 1996 body for good and it can go about it's predetermined path and actions.

Dan

[GinaNMU]

Kevin, my interpretation of Desmond walking away from Penny's house without going catatonic is this:

Since he found his constant in the present, his body was immediately better able to handle his consciousness returning to 2004 (as soon as 2004 Desmond made contact with Penny).

Another idea is that maybe finding Penny signaled the end of his time-switches. Maybe he's left the 1996 body for good and it can go about it's predetermined path and actions.

Dan

:thumbsup This is sort of what I figured, too.

[@drian]

I'm assuming they shoot it in Super 35 (which makes it just as easy to show in letterbox as in 4:3), and it's not like the precedent's not already been set on network TV, hell "E.R." has been doing it for almost a decade now along with probably about half of all NBC's other dramas. Just saying, especially since the DVDs are in their proper widescreen format, it'd be nice if they turned the page and did it for the original broadcasts.

They do in fact shoot in super35, my guess is that they figure if you have a widscreen TV you will also have the HD broadcast. A suprising amount of people still get quite pissy about there being black bars on their 4x3 tv. Although haha now us widescreen folk without the HD broadcast have black bars too, just on the sides instead of the top and bottom.

But okay so the deal with Faraday and meeting Desmond in '96, and then finding the note in his book that Des will be his constant. There's a perfect example if you've seen the movie "Frequency" that I think will basically explain the same concept of happening. I think the prop was a wallet that the father (Dennis Quaid) back in the 60's needed to get to his son (Jim Caviezel) in the 00's. So the son told him over the radio to put it in a place where it'll never be found. Pops goes over to some big junk chest, opens up a hidden compartment at the bottom of it and stuffs the wallet way down underneath. A moment later, the son goes over and opens up the chest, digs under the compartment and voila -- the (by now) 40 year old wallet is in his hands. So basically, I guess it would be shortly after Des visited Faraday at Oxford, Faraday would've written that note down in his book, and thus it instantly appeared to him there on the island in 2004, him seeing it for the first time. And again, changing the present essentially, not the future.

Funny thing about that, both Elizabeth Mitchell (Juliette) and Shawn Doyle (Kate's lawyer) were in that movie. And Shawn Doyle's name in Frequency was "JACK SHEPARD" :eek:D

[junior94]

They do in fact shoot in super35, my guess is that they figure if you have a widscreen TV you will also have the HD broadcast. A suprising amount of people still get quite pissy about there being black bars on their 4x3 tv. Although haha now us widescreen folk without the HD broadcast have black bars too, just on the sides instead of the top and bottom.



Funny thing about that, both Elizabeth Mitchell (Juliette) and Shawn Doyle (Kate's lawyer) were in that movie. And Shawn Doyle's name in Frequency was "JACK SHEPARD" :eek:D

Ah HAA!! So THAT'S where I knew that guy from, Kate's lawyer! :D I may be horrible with names, but I NEVER forget a face that I've seen in TV and/or movies. As soon as he was onscreen in the Kate episode it was bugging where I knew him from. Yep, he was the rapist character in Frequency, and yea that's right Elizabeth Mitchell played Quaid's wife/Caviezel's mother (though that's pretty wild that his name's Jack Shepard too).

And the thing about the letterboxing, when I did some part time work at Suncoast last year, I probably averaged at least 2-3 people a day where I had to explain the difference between full & widescreen (since a fair amount of titles are still getting released in both versions, particularly family stuff). The guy who was my manager had read a technical article about the stuff and found out it was 44% of the picture that you're losing by taking a widescreen movie and playing it via pan-and-scan. But it's funny to watch as the look washes over people's faces when they realize the concept, trying to tell them that of course realize when you're in a movie theatre, the screen is far more horizontal, but their home TV is square, so obviously there has to be a way to compensate for that, and they're like "ohhhhh yea...." :p

[Talula62]

I just watched the episode for the first time yesterday (I had to work on Thursday and this weekend) and all I can say is wow. I don't even know where to start comprehending this episode - but on first impression I loved it. I was happy to get more of Desmond's story, and the emotionally charged scene between him and Penny on the phone brought tears to my eyes. :thumbsupI totally cried. I'd been driving in a car for 12 hours immediately beforehand so I was not awake but, yeah, I so cry with those two.

Funny thing about that, both Elizabeth Mitchell (Juliette) and Shawn Doyle (Kate's lawyer) were in that movie. And Shawn Doyle's name in Frequency was "JACK SHEPARD" :eek:DWeird!

Funny about the montage thing at the end Kevin. I thought it was because he'd saved himself too though, but I hadn't really thought about it either.

[junior94]

Funny about the montage thing at the end Kevin. I thought it was because he'd saved himself too though, but I hadn't really thought about it either.

Well okay, I suppose that would make sense, that he'd achieved his constant so everything about him became more stable, but I'm just thinking... it still apparently meant that he was fully conscious in two different time periods at the same time. He was walking across Penny's street in 1996 looking up at her window, while on the freighter in 2004 talking to her on the phone.

oye :freak :lol

[@drian]

Ah HAA!! So THAT'S where I knew that guy from, Kate's lawyer! :D I may be horrible with names, but I NEVER forget a face that I've seen in TV and/or movies. As soon as he was onscreen in the Kate episode it was bugging where I knew him from. Yep, he was the rapist character in Frequency, and yea that's right Elizabeth Mitchell played Quaid's wife/Caviezel's mother (though that's pretty wild that his name's Jack Shepard too).

And the thing about the letterboxing, when I did some part time work at Suncoast last year, I probably averaged at least 2-3 people a day where I had to explain the difference between full & widescreen (since a fair amount of titles are still getting released in both versions, particularly family stuff). The guy who was my manager had read a technical article about the stuff and found out it was 44% of the picture that you're losing by taking a widescreen movie and playing it via pan-and-scan. But it's funny to watch as the look washes over people's faces when they realize the concept, trying to tell them that of course realize when you're in a movie theatre, the screen is far more horizontal, but their home TV is square, so obviously there has to be a way to compensate for that, and they're like "ohhhhh yea...." :p

Shawn Doyle was also on 24, I believe he played the new "Jack Bauer" he was the cool guy with the leather jacket and kept getting in Jack's way.

Yah man I used to work in a video store right around the time everyone was switching from VHS to DVD. Damn it was tough sometimes explaining to people what letterboxing was all about. We even had this print out thing sent to us from Twentieth Century that showed examples of letterboxing.

[junior94]

Yah man I used to work in a video store right around the time everyone was switching from VHS to DVD. Damn it was tough sometimes explaining to people what letterboxing was all about. We even had this print out thing sent to us from Twentieth Century that showed examples of letterboxing.

Well, and there was a little niche of the VHS market after awhile that were sort of half assed "special editions" of titles where they had them in letterboxed, and maybe even a small making-of featurette either before or after the movie. I'm wondering now, how many widescreen TVs were around when VHS was still enough in the population, so how would your set handle it, I'm not sure it could compesate for the aspect ratio and it wouldn't just get stretched out even further, so like you're watching an envelope :p
And I always wondered why premium cable channels wouldn't broadcast movies in letterbox, seemed appropriate enough, after all you're paying the extra cost for them.

This makes me think like with the movie "Be Kind Rewind", if on one hand it's just not incredibly out of date, because I wonder if you can find even the smallest little corner mom & pop store that still rents out any VHS these days, I can't imagine there are.

But yea my brother-in-law drives me nuts, he's got practically every DVD him and my sister buy in fullscreen if that's available, so it's sucked for me whenever I've wanted to borrow anything in the past :p But like I said, the family market is still fairly big for fullscreen, it's that casual movie fan kind of mentality, they can even be aware that technically they're losing a portion of the original picture as it was shot, they just simply want their entire TV filled up with an image, it's a 'can't break the mold' kind of thing in their minds.

So you have a widescreen TV but that isn't hi-def? It's funny, my brother and his wife, a couple years ago they got an HDTV but that's 4:3 :p

[junior94]

Oh and btw, something completely unrelated to the show, but hilarious that I had to share. The other night I've got the TV on beside me while here at my computer, listening to it casually. An ad for the DVD release of the vampire flick "30 Days Of Night" comes on.

The opening voice over:


"First, they cut the power....

Then, they cut the phones..."


I totally did a double-take. Umm, if they cut the power, doesn't that pretty much already then take care of the phones at the same time, too? :ugh :lol

[@drian]

Oh and btw, something completely unrelated to the show, but hilarious that I had to share. The other night I've got the TV on beside me while here at my computer, listening to it casually. An ad for the DVD release of the vampire flick "30 Days Of Night" comes on.

The opening voice over:


"First, they cut the power....

Then, they cut the phones..."


I totally did a double-take. Umm, if they cut the power, doesn't that pretty much already then take care of the phones at the same time, too? :ugh :lol

No, phones have their own power. When the power goes out you can still use the phone.

[junior94]

No, phones have their own power. When the power goes out you can still use the phone.

Whaaaa...?? I mean yea cell phones for sure. But how can they have their own power source? The base of my phone plugs into the wall just like most everything else, so electricity gets cut, phone's got no juice to ring.

(as we get even further and further away from the LOST-verse... :p )

[@drian]

Whaaaa...?? I mean yea cell phones for sure. But how can they have their own power source? The base of my phone plugs into the wall just like most everything else, so electricity gets cut, phone's got no juice to ring.

(as we get even further and further away from the LOST-verse... :p )

The cable you plug into the jack in the wall has it's own power supply. The wall outlet powers the call display or other features like that, or if it's a portable obviously it powers the charger.

I mean think about older phones they didn't have two cables coming out of them, just one straight into the phone jack.

Here are some idiots that even try powering stuff off the phone jack: http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/14/tap-into-the-phone-companys-current-if-you-dare/

[clayj41]

:thumbsup I've had the power go out before, and I've still been able to use the phone.

[boarderx5423]

Whaaaa...?? I mean yea cell phones for sure. But how can they have their own power source? The base of my phone plugs into the wall just like most everything else, so electricity gets cut, phone's got no juice to ring.

(as we get even further and further away from the LOST-verse... :p )

If the power goes out, you can still use corded phones, but not cordless phones.

[Talula62]

^Truth.

[cryfreedom4136]

If the power goes out, you can still use corded phones, but not cordless phones.

^Truth.

Yeah, as long as it is just a regular phone with no answering machine and it isn't cordless, it should be drawing its power directly from the phone line

[@drian]

Yeah, as long as it is just a regular phone with no answering machine and it isn't cordless, it should be drawing its power directly from the phone line

Well now that we've all schooled Kevin lets move on. Unless Kevin is confused about any other ancient technology.

[junior94]

Goddamit. :shrug


Ya'll can bite me :p

[JimiThang1]

Ah HAA!! So THAT'S where I knew that guy from, Kate's lawyer! :D I may be horrible with names, but I NEVER forget a face that I've seen in TV and/or movies. As soon as he was onscreen in the Kate episode it was bugging where I knew him from. Yep, he was the rapist character in Frequency, and yea that's right Elizabeth Mitchell played Quaid's wife/Caviezel's mother (though that's pretty wild that his name's Jack Shepard too).

And the thing about the letterboxing, when I did some part time work at Suncoast last year, I probably averaged at least 2-3 people a day where I had to explain the difference between full & widescreen (since a fair amount of titles are still getting released in both versions, particularly family stuff). The guy who was my manager had read a technical article about the stuff and found out it was 44% of the picture that you're losing by taking a widescreen movie and playing it via pan-and-scan. But it's funny to watch as the look washes over people's faces when they realize the concept, trying to tell them that of course realize when you're in a movie theatre, the screen is far more horizontal, but their home TV is square, so obviously there has to be a way to compensate for that, and they're like "ohhhhh yea...." :p
He is also on Big Love

[UNLTrpt]

Goddamit. :shrug


Ya'll can bite me :p

pwn.

[JenLuvsDMB]

:lol

[junior94]

pwn.

I'm quite proud to say that I'm so out of touch with you youngins and your internet venacular, that I don't even know if this is supposed to be meant as putting me down or giving me props.


And while I'm at it, please show me the idiot that started the whole trend of making typos on purpose with certain words as the way of "cool youth" speak, so I can thusly punch him in the brain :evil

[boarderx5423]

And while I'm at it, please show me the idiot that started the whole trend of making typos on purpose with certain words as the way of "cool youth" speak, so I can thusly punch him in the brain :evil

While you're at it, could you also punch everyone who uses "FTW!" in the brain? I returned to Ants one day to find this phrase being used everywhere, and it is awful.

[GinaNMU]

While you're at it, could you also punch everyone who uses "FTW!" in the brain? I returned to Ants one day to find this phrase being used everywhere, and it is awful.

:lol Dude, it took me DAYS to figure out what that meant and I still am seeing it used out of context to what I orginially thought it was for.

[junior94]

While you're at it, could you also punch everyone who uses "FTW!" in the brain? I returned to Ants one day to find this phrase being used everywhere, and it is awful.

Oh please, Ants is practically ground zero for every overly used, cliched net catchphrase that I've ever heard over the last 2 years. I recently saw someone who started a thread that was comprised of absolutely nothing except "Fail". :ugh umm, okay...

But hey I digress, and besides I'm all about the love :D

(yea I didn't know what "ftw" was supposed to mean either at first, someone had to tell me. Damn I'm only 32, way too young to be saying "kids these days..." :p )

[boarderx5423]

:lol Dude, it took me DAYS to figure out what that meant and I still am seeing it used out of context to what I orginially thought it was for.
All I know is that it originally came from Hollywood Squares, and that's where is should stay!

[@drian]

4chan is ruining the universe.

[smeritt]

Its monday do you know what that means?

[@drian]

Its monday do you know what that means?

Too long till Lost day?

[smeritt]

Too long till Lost day?I was going to go with its closer to lost day but if you want to be negative about it.....

[newscane]

They do in fact shoot in super35, my guess is that they figure if you have a widscreen TV you will also have the HD broadcast. A suprising amount of people still get quite pissy about there being black bars on their 4x3 tv. Although haha now us widescreen folk without the HD broadcast have black bars too, just on the sides instead of the top and bottom.



Funny thing about that, both Elizabeth Mitchell (Juliette) and Shawn Doyle (Kate's lawyer) were in that movie. And Shawn Doyle's name in Frequency was "JACK SHEPARD" :eek:D

Ah HAA!! So THAT'S where I knew that guy from, Kate's lawyer! :D I may be horrible with names, but I NEVER forget a face that I've seen in TV and/or movies. As soon as he was onscreen in the Kate episode it was bugging where I knew him from. Yep, he was the rapist character in Frequency, and yea that's right Elizabeth Mitchell played Quaid's wife/Caviezel's mother (though that's pretty wild that his name's Jack Shepard too).
I saw that as one of the pop-up facts on this week's replay.

[newscane]

I saw this linked in the Lost thread over at taperssection. Interesting theory about the timelines of things... sort of contains spoilers if you're not caught up to the present ep (of course, if you're reading this far, you probably are):

http://www.timelooptheory.com/the_timeline.htm

[smeritt]

I saw this linked in the Lost thread over at taperssection. Interesting theory about the timelines of things... sort of contains spoilers if you're not caught up to the present ep (of course, if you're reading this far, you probably are):

http://www.timelooptheory.com/the_timeline.htmIt was too long and half way through it got way outlandish. There is no way that his mother who started giving birth in the middle of the forest was miraculously found by the guy who would be searching for her and ended up giving ben's dad his job.

[JenLuvsDMB]

All I know is that it originally came from Hollywood Squares, and that's where is should stay!

:lol

:thumbsup

I concur.

[@drian]

http://www.popularmechanics.com/blogs/science_news/4253025.html?series=6

Cool article about Lost and time travel.

[GinaNMU]

http://www.popularmechanics.com/blogs/science_news/4253025.html?series=6

Cool article about Lost and time travel.

:confused GAH! Stuff like this is interesting, but it makes me head hurt. I don't get it :lol

[tankdan]

I saw Sayid and Juliette on the cover of the new TV Guide, does anyone subscribe?

By the way, that didn't look like Juliette at first glance.

Dan

[GLR87]

I saw this linked in the Lost thread over at taperssection. Interesting theory about the timelines of things... sort of contains spoilers if you're not caught up to the present ep (of course, if you're reading this far, you probably are):

http://www.timelooptheory.com/the_timeline.htm

pretty nutty stuff makes some sense tho

[boarderx5423]

Here are some interesting theories regarding the constant:

http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/The_Constant/Theories

[UNLTrpt]

Here are some interesting theories regarding the constant:

http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/The_Constant/Theories

Will you be my constant if I ever time shift BJ?

[boarderx5423]

Will you be my constant if I ever time shift BJ?

The constant needs to be something, or someone, you truly care about. Seeing as we hate each other, it probably won't work.

:lol

[UNLTrpt]

The constant needs to be something, or someone, you truly care about. Seeing as we hate each other, it probably won't work.

:lol

we hate each other :confused

that sucks.

[boarderx5423]

we hate each other :confused

that sucks.

I was just joking because we give each other shit. Of course I will be your constant.

[UNLTrpt]

I was just joking because we give each other shit. Of course I will be your constant.

:multi

[amoore624426]

u guys read the spoiler for the episode???!?!

[boarderx5423]

u guys read the spoiler for the episode???!?!

Not a chance.

[junior94]

u guys read the spoiler for the episode???!?!

Oh yea, I caught that. Locke, Sawyer, Hurley and Claire all get into a giant steel cage deathmatch over the last package of bacon, Locke actually chews Aaron's arm off just to show his resolve and that he's a true savage at heart (you don't realize it yet, but when you saw the boy in Kate's flashforward, it was a prosthetic arm he had on), Claire cons Sawyer into bed with her but then literally fucks him to death, and then Hurley eats Locke and Sawyer.

There were apparently a few more scenes other than that which were kinda intense, but ABC got skiddish about making it past Standards & Practices and so just decided to cut them anyway.

[boarderx5423]

Oh yea, I caught that. Locke, Sawyer, Hurley and Claire all get into a giant steel cage deathmatch over the last package of bacon, Locke actually chews Aaron's arm off just to show his resolve and that he's a true savage at heart (you don't realize it yet, but when you saw the boy in Kate's flashforward, it was a prosthetic arm he had on), Claire cons Sawyer into bed with her but then literally fucks him to death, and then Hurley eats Locke and Sawyer.

There were apparently a few more scenes other than that which were kinda intense, but ABC got skiddish about making it past Standards & Practices and so just decided to cut them anyway.

They have spoiler tags for a reason, jackass. Now you just ruined it for us all!

[junior94]

They have spoiler tags for a reason, jackass. Now you just ruined it for us all!

Dude. You telling me you couldn't foresee all that happening for yourself based on all the subtextual emotion going on inbetween the lines from the last 2 episodes? Are you even watching the same show I am?!?! :rolleyes

[boarderx5423]

I guess not, because this is what I picked up is going to happen next episode:

Claire emotionally self-destructs over the loss of Charlie, so Sawyer comes in and 'comforts' her by fucking her brains out while she continues to weep for Charlie. Hurley flips out and eats Sawyer, using the Dharma provided ranch dressing as a dipping sauce. To punish Claire for her whorish ways and Hurley for his cannibalism, Locke beats them both to death with Aaron while Ben watches in the bushes while touching himself.

Meanwhile, elsewhere on the island, Vincent has returned and is humping the corpse of Shannon which he recently dug up. Jin and Sun find Jacob and convince him to have a threesome until Locke busts in, Aaron in hand, and beat Jin and Sun to death. He then offers Aaron as a sacrifice to Jacob and the island.

Oh yeah, and there is still sexual tension between Jack, Kate, and Juliet.
That got fucked up, so I decided to spoiler tag it.

[UCFish]

Trey that was ridiculous.

[Talula62]

Ewww, ben touching himself?! I must go scrub my brain now. :lol

[JenLuvsDMB]

Bwahahahahah! :lol :lol

[smeritt]

I love this thread Lol

[GinaNMU]

u guys read the spoiler for the episode???!?!

:eek

:shunned.

[UNLTrpt]

I guess not, because this is what I picked up is going to happen next episode:

Claire emotionally self-destructs over the loss of Charlie, so Sawyer comes in and 'comforts' her by fucking her brains out while she continues to weep for Charlie. Hurley flips out and eats Sawyer, using the Dharma provided ranch dressing as a dipping sauce. To punish Claire for her whorish ways and Hurley for his cannibalism, Locke beats them both to death with Aaron while Ben watches in the bushes while touching himself.

Meanwhile, elsewhere on the island, Vincent has returned and is humping the corpse of Shannon which he recently dug up. Jin and Sun find Jacob and convince him to have a threesome until Locke busts in, Aaron in hand, and beat Jin and Sun to death. He then offers Aaron as a sacrifice to Jacob and the island.

Oh yeah, and there is still sexual tension between Jack, Kate, and Juliet.
That got fucked up, so I decided to spoiler tag it.

ok, you're not my constant anymore.

ew.

[boarderx5423]

ok, you're not my constant anymore.

ew.

:lorraine

[junior94]

ok, you're not my constant anymore.

ew.

Well so I guess being a constant is the new Valentines. There ya have it folks, mark your calenders, February 28th can hereby be known as My Constant's Day :D
(the universal symbol can be a miniature statue of Ben touching himself... so long, dozen roses. pfffft :rolleyes :p )

[il bacio dolce]

I don't usually see a lot of female Lost fans in here, but I must comment that in The Economist Sayid was ridiculously hot.

:lol They straightened his hair! It looked pretty!

[smeritt]

If I were gay I'd choose Sayid. He's never wrong. And a badass

[il bacio dolce]

If I were gay I'd choose Sayid. He's never wrong. And a badass
:thumbsup

[UNLTrpt]

Well so I guess being a constant is the new Valentines. There ya have it folks, mark your calenders, February 28th can hereby be known as My Constant's Day :D
(the universal symbol can be a miniature statue of Ben touching himself... so long, dozen roses. pfffft :rolleyes :p )

:lol :lol :lol

Much better than singles awareness day

[@drian]

If I were gay I'd choose Sayid. He's never wrong. And a badass

Don't break his heart or he'll shove bamboo shoots up under your finger nails.

[smeritt]

Don't break his heart or he'll shove bamboo shoots up under your finger nails.:lol:lol:lol

[boarderx5423]

Don't break his heart or he'll shove bamboo shoots up under your finger nails.

Unless you're into that kind of thing.

[UNLTrpt]

Don't break his heart or he'll shove bamboo shoots up under your finger nails.

and then he'll break your neck...with his legs.

[smeritt]

There should be a list of all the badass things Sayid has done on this island and I guess off of it

[GinaNMU]

I don't usually see a lot of female Lost fans in here, but I must comment that in The Economist Sayid was ridiculously hot.

:lol They straightened his hair! It looked pretty!

Oh dude Sayid is HOT. I'm pretty sure even guys think he's hot.

Amiright, fellas? Don't deny it...

[junior94]

Don't break his heart or he'll shove bamboo shoots up under your finger nails.

Unless you're into that kind of thing.

Hey, don't knock it til you tried it, sister ;)

Although, more accurately, replace 'bamboo shoots' with cock the size of a telphone poll, and replace 'under your finger nails' with thru your sweet brown-eye.




:rolleyes
























:evil

[il bacio dolce]

:lol Hawt.

[UNLTrpt]

Hey, don't knock it til you tried it, sister ;)

Although, more accurately, replace 'bamboo shoots' with cock the size of a telphone poll, and replace 'under your finger nails' with thru your sweet brown-eye.




:rolleyes
























:evil

that's exactly what they meant. and now...the lost thread is a sex thread.

I wanna do Kate.

[smeritt]

I'm still down for juliette- claire threesome

[il bacio dolce]

He does love blondes.

http://www.bestweekever.tv/2008/02/15/lost-recap-sayid-sells-his-soul-and-locke-is-the-new-ben/
lol Locke is the new Ben.
"he’s basically turning into Ben, only he hasn’t yet gotten to the point where every line he says is an asinine, cryptic insult where he braces his face to get punched before even finishing the sentence." :lol

[il bacio dolce]

:lol He spoons in the chick position. But that's hot!

[Talula62]

Oh yeah. Sayid was out of control gorgeous in that episode.

[junior94]

that's exactly what they meant. and now...the lost thread is a sex thread.

I wanna do Kate.

Ohhhh crap :shrug I just realized I sorta inadvertinely made my own equivalent to the "piihb" line (& I personally don't even like anal). Perhaps the very epitome of the painfully unfunny, already died a trillion deaths, every Ant hack's favorite bad catchphrase, the very thing that I probably most can't stand about this site and part of what drives me to have the large bulk of my posts occurr in this here thread.

And now I feel ill. I think I just threw up in my mouth a little. Ahh and see but I did it again (ohhh, the irony :rolleyes :p )


*i am jack's retarded babbling exiting stage left* :o :lol

[junior94]

Oh yeah. Sayid was out of control gorgeous in that episode.

Well, okay yea, I mean, granted, all the incoherent anal joke bashing notwithstanding, I should make it still abundantly clear that I'd happily go gay for future assassin Sayid and given him the "all's clear" sign for imminent plowing of my ass.

(and, garrsh, I *have* been told once or twice it's a sort of a cute ass, anyway :o :D )

[il bacio dolce]

Wow, those were some tender sentiments there, Kevin.

[jojo04]

Oh dude Sayid is HOT. I'm pretty sure even guys think he's hot.

Amiright, fellas? Don't deny it...


You are right.

[UNLTrpt]

Ohhhh crap :shrug I just realized I sorta inadvertinely made my own equivalent to the "piihb" line (& I personally don't even like anal). Perhaps the very epitome of the painfully unfunny, already died a trillion deaths, every Ant hack's favorite bad catchphrase, the very thing that I probably most can't stand about this site and part of what drives me to have the large bulk of my posts occurr in this here thread.

And now I feel ill. I think I just threw up in my mouth a little. Ahh and see but I did it again (ohhh, the irony :rolleyes :p )


*i am jack's retarded babbling exiting stage left* :o :lol

:lol

god that's funny.

[boarderx5423]

Alright, back to the actual show...

Any predictions on the flashback/flashforward/constant for this episode? Thus far, we have had Hurley, the Freighties, Sayid, Kate, and Desmond. My guess is either the Kwons or Sawyer, with Locke's coming next week. I also think there will be very little, if any, of Sayid and Desmond this week, and most of next week. We'll find out at the end of episode 7 who Ben's man on the boat is (my guess is the obvious Michael), and this will be the mini-cliffhanger before Part II resumes in a few weeks.

By the way, it is now 23 hours until the new episode. Do you think there is something significant happening now?

[boarderx5423]

*i am jack's retarded babbling exiting stage left* :o :lol

:lol :thumbsup

[junior94]

Alright, back to the actual show...

Any predictions on the flashback/flashforward/constant for this episode? Thus far, we have had Hurley, the Freighties, Sayid, Kate, and Desmond. My guess is either the Kwons or Sawyer, with Locke's coming next week. I also think there will be very little, if any, of Sayid and Desmond this week, and most of next week. We'll find out at the end of episode 7 who Ben's man on the boat is (my guess is the obvious Michael), and this will be the mini-cliffhanger before Part II resumes in a few weeks.

By the way, it is now 23 hours until the new episode. Do you think there is something significant happening now?

Well I already know who's ep it will be, I've known for a long time now, ever since I first saw the episode titles list published for the first 8 on Aint It Cool News posted just after the premiere.

But here's the thing: isn't is always kinda fairly obvious who the flashes character will be just based on the "on the next all new episode of Lost" scenes played at the end of the night's show?

[boarderx5423]

But here's the thing: isn't is always kinda fairly obvious who the flashes character will be just based on the "on the next all new episode of Lost" scenes played at the end of the night's show?
See, I never watch those. I consider those to be spoilers. I don't even look at the name of the episode, so that wouldn't help me either. I like starting an episode with NO knowledge of what will happen.

[Swizz2007]

Well, it's Juliet.

[JimmyBuffetwlks]

what do i think about lost....bunch of fags stranded on a beach, how about they try and make a raft

[junior94]

See, I never watch those. I consider those to be spoilers. I don't even look at the name of the episode, so that wouldn't help me either. I like starting an episode with NO knowledge of what will happen.

Well, I can respect you choosing not to hang around to watch that stuff at the end of the show on Thursday, but frankly I feel it's a bit nutty to consider anything within those to be stuff we strictly can't talk about in the thread in week preceeding without a spoiler tag, that to me's starting to get a tad anal about it, or also known as, Matt our esteemed Moderator, insane and evil overload of the "24" thread ;) :p

[JorgeCavos]

See, I never watch those. I consider those to be spoilers. I don't even look at the name of the episode, so that wouldn't help me either. I like starting an episode with NO knowledge of what will happen.

I see. I never really consider them spoilers considering the 15 second clip doesn't spoil too much of the 45-minutes of programming, but to each his own :multi

what do i think about lost....bunch of fags stranded on a beach, how about they try and make a raft

The writers aren't as smart as you, obviously.

[boarderx5423]

Well, it's Juliet.

Seriously dude, what the hell?!? I just get done saying how I avoid figuring those things out on purpose, and you go ahead and blurt it out? I appreciate you filling me in...

:twak

[junior94]

Well, it's Juliet.

Yea seriously, congratulations on utterly pointless douche move of the day :lol

Curious that you'd obviously read a few of the previous posts to know the mystery answer was being brought up, but you somehow ignored what was mostly the point of said previous posts in that their authors weren't really looking to have it mentioned point blank. I suppose if I were an Ants sheep devoid of all original thought this where I would say: Fail.

[boarderx5423]

Well, I can respect you choosing not to hang around to watch that stuff at the end of the show on Thursday, but frankly I feel it's a bit nutty to consider anything within those to be stuff we strictly can't talk about in the thread in week preceeding without a spoiler tag, that to me's starting to get a tad anal about it, or also known as, Matt our esteemed Moderator, insane and evil overload of the "24" thread ;) :p

I'll be honest, I am anal about it. I'm just used to places (such as the Fuselage) where they consider that kind of stuff spoilers. I'm not saying don't discuss it, but just try to be aware that there are people in here who purposefully avoid it. I won't be pissed if it happens to come up in conversation; I'll be pissed when someone blatantly posts that information immediately after I made it clear I don't want to know.

[Talula62]

I suppose if I were an Ants sheep devoid of all original thought this where I would say: Fail.:lol :lol

[@drian]

Alright, back to the actual show...

Any predictions on the flashback/flashforward/constant for this episode?

I can see where you're coming from regarding spoilers. But if you are this concerned you should probably avoid asking these sorts of questions.

[boarderx5423]

I can see where you're coming from regarding spoilers. But if you are this concerned you should probably avoid asking these sorts of questions.

Yeah, that was my bad.

[JenLuvsDMB]

So I have to work until 10:00 tonight but hopefully it'll be online by the time I get home (11:00). I can't do what I did last week and wait until Saturday to watch it. It's too intense this season and I hate staying away from this thread when there is so much to discuss!

[Swizz2007]

Seriously dude, what the hell?!? I just get done saying how I avoid figuring those things out on purpose, and you go ahead and blurt it out? I appreciate you filling me in...

:twak

You asked...

[@drian]

You asked...

He admitted it was a bad idea bringing it up. But to be fair he asked for predictions, "It's Juliet" wasn't a prediction.

You were an ass about it, fine, but don't pretend like you were just answering a question.

[Talula62]

I am sooooooooooo glad it's Lost Day. I am crippled with indecision about a giant move and I'm totally freaking out. Damnit, clock, go faster!!!!

[Swizz2007]

He admitted it was a bad idea bringing it up. But to be fair he asked for predictions, "It's Juliet" wasn't a prediction.

You were an ass about it, fine, but don't pretend like you were just answering a question.

Ok, chill, people. To be fair, I'm a spoiler nut as well...when it's something significant. But when someone wonders out loud (not literally) the answer to a question that was answered in the TV advertisements, they're asking for it. So I'm sorry, but I really don't think I ruined anything...