LOST (the tv show)

[junior94]

Roussea went crazy? Can be the only plausible answer.

Why would Christian/Jacob say, "Say hello to my son"? Or are you assuming that he is not Jacob in this episode and that really was Christian?

I"m sorry but if Roussea went crazy, that's WEEEEEEAK.

If you recall last season in "Cabin Fever", Locke entered Jacob's cabin and saw Christian sitting there, Locke asked if he was Jacob, Christian said "I can speak on his behalf". We still don't know exactly how Christian fits in exactly to the overall weave of the story, I mean he's certainly not live in the regular, flesh and blood sense (in the way that the Losties are) just because we see him standing there. I believe he's some time of island manifestation, but why he seems to have some type of direct connection or correlation to Jacob right now is unclear.

It always made sense to me that until someone went back from the future to the past and interacted with someone it didn't happen. I thought the writers made it pretty clear that Desmond didn't "remember" talking to Faraday until he went back. Damon and Carlton have always been adamant that they didn't want to get into the whole "change the future thing" that Heroes got into. It seems that Faraday went back to warn Charlotte she was going to die at some point, but as Mrs Hawking told Desmond you can't change destiny

Well but you're forgetting, even if this theory from dadoofee (and apparently producers) is right, it's already been established that Desmond is "special", that he does have the ability to change things.

[cryfreedom4136]

I"m sorry but if Roussea went crazy, that's WEEEEEEAK.


Roussea wouldn't remember Jin based on what Daniel said about them not being able to change the past... Apparently Desmond is a rare exception that is immune, and even he didn't have a memory of Daniel on the island, it came to him as a dream...

[BigEyedPhish53]

I desperately wanted more of the Smoke Monster in the beginning though. But Christian seems to pretty definitively have been Jacob all along.

I REALLY don't think Christian is Jacob. He said he could speak on his behalf when asked and that he was not Jacob.

Another random question...

Was Locke fucking up his legs a form of course correction since he was going back to the outside world? I know he didn't get paralyzed again, but before he got to the island he was in a wheel chair, now it seems like he's going to have to hop back in one when he's back in the mainland.

Also, the CANTON-RAINIER / REINCARNATION anagram is keeping me psyched to think that Locke will come back to life when brought back to the island.

[DoDaFoo]

Well okay then maybe all of this time the thing is (and it'd be damn funny) that you and I haven't haven't necessarily had directly competing theories. It wasn't about an event in the present necessarily being changed (or in "the future" in terms of when Faraday first warned her as a child), presumably because of "course correction", but he did change the past by going back to try to warn her. But he wasn't successful because the universe still righted itself, she still died (not unlike how Charlie still died despite Desmond attempting to save him).

The thing is, when Charlotte told Daniel that he warned her when she was a child, he has not done it yet. He has yet to jump to that time on the island and do that. This was a perfect example of what I've been saying all along. Daniel was in Charlotte's past, even though he has yet to meet Charlotte as a child.

[PipeandaCrepe]

first great episode of the season imo. that lost untangled bit from last week was fucking hilarious too

[jguinan101]

Well, a lot of people feel/felt that way, and to be fair I kinda did at first as well. But as I've now said a few times, my interpretation is of that, in Charlie's mind he simply went back to what Desmond originally told him, that you die=Claire and Aaron getting off the island.

i have finally accepted that charlie died because it was his fate, so i'm finally past this discussion, plus now there is so much better stuff to talk about!

oops, totally forgot what I'd originally came here to say :p

So, new thought... it's fair to say that the way in which the island is time jumping is happening in a completely random order, yes? That nobody knows not only how long until the next shift will occur, but also how far either into the future or the past that they'll travel, correct? Well, I think Richard Alpert sure as hell knows. After all, in 05x01, when he finds a newly shot Locke bleeding by the Nigerian plane, when he gives him the compass Richard tells him "because the next time we meet, I'm not going to recognize you". Which means Richard had to know already in that moment that the island (or the Losties, since we don't exactly know the answer to that yet) would be shifting back in time, and far enough back to where before Richard would know who the hell Locke was.

And I don't know but just having this in mind.. ya see, because one of my initial questions from the premiere was that would it have been that out of the question to think that Richard might've had some idea that initially moving the island would've put it into this erratic multiple-shifting? So I'm saying, if Richard has some way of knowing what future or past time the island will shift to in its next move, it would seem to me he would've at least had to have been aware of the possibility that things would've gotten this fucked up from Ben turning the wheel.

anyone... ?

i'm thinking that it's not so much richard knowing when the island would shift to but rather that he remembers his first meeting with a time traveling locke so he knew lock would be shifting back to that time some time in the near future.

it is funny that you mentioned ben turning the wheel before the episode though because christian clearly mentioned that locke was ment to turn the wheel and not ben. i guess though the reason for the jumps was the wheel appeared to be disloged or something.

on a different note are we all assuming eloise hawking is the ellie from the flashback with the bomb? she pretty much appeared to be the same age as charles widmore in that flashback and now. any way great episode and great season of a great show!

[junior94]

The thing is, when Charlotte told Daniel that he warned her when she was a child, he has not done it yet. He has yet to jump to that time on the island and do that. This was a perfect example of what I've been saying all along. Daniel was in Charlotte's past, even though he has yet to meet Charlotte as a child.

Well okay but (and mind you, I ask you this with all of the tolerance and respect possible) have you ever really thought about what that means/how it would work in the most fundamental sense? Or is it just you're going with "that's what Darlton said how it is from the start, so that's how it is"?
Because this is what i'm saying, if you think about how that could be in the most basic common sense terms possible, it just simply makes no sense how it could be.
I mean then how did Daniel come to meet her as a child?

[JTRocks]

I"m sorry but if Roussea went crazy, that's WEEEEEEAK.

If you recall last season in "Cabin Fever", Locke entered Jacob's cabin and saw Christian sitting there, Locke asked if he was Jacob, Christian said "I can speak on his behalf". We still don't know exactly how Christian fits in exactly to the overall weave of the story, I mean he's certainly not live in the regular, flesh and blood sense (in the way that the Losties are) just because we see him standing there. I believe he's some time of island manifestation, but why he seems to have some type of direct connection or correlation to Jacob right now is unclear.



Well but you're forgetting, even if this theory from dadoofee (and apparently producers) is right, it's already been established that Desmond is "special", that he does have the ability to change things.

I'm not really sure "what" exactly he is, but maybe Christian is what happens when a dead body is brought to the island. and perhaps this is what will happen when locke is brought back to the island. He said that Locke is a sacrifice for the island, or something along those lines. Well, we still dont even know exactly how Christian died, maybe when we do find out, his death will have been some sort of sacrifice for the island.

[junior94]

This other small issue I had with tonight's... Christian's semantics with Locke ("YOU were supposed to move the island") yea but, Ben seemed to have a valid point in the finale last year. Locke is told he has to "move the island" -- but that was it! How would he know what the fuck that means? If he was truly meant to, don't you think Jacob (via Christian) woulda made sure Locke has the appropriate cheat sheet with him walking out the door? :p

JACOB/CHRISTIAN: "John... you have to move the island. How? oh, meh.. just go and talk to Ben, he knows all the details, I gotta go and catch up on my Tivo'd 'Judge Judy' episodes"

[junior94]

For ya'lls reading pleasure.... what I brought up earlier, the blog done by one of the Mods over on Red Mosquito.

http://www.jeff-fischer.net/?p=1313

[Bartndrpleez]

For ya'lls reading pleasure.... what I brought up earlier, the blog done by one of the Mods over on Red Mosquito.

http://www.jeff-fischer.net/?p=1313

Anyone else immediately think of Arrested Development when Sun said good-bye to her daughter on the phone? “Annyong.”

ME!!! :lol:lol:lol:lol

[RJP2741]

:lol I did too!

[courtzdmb]

What a great episode last night!! So many questions still left unanswered.... I loved how they just had to end the show with Daniel's mom saying "Let's get started then". I was like ugh we have to wait another week!

I don't think Christian is Jacob either..... is anyone else still wondering where Claire is??

[dobyblue]

It always made sense to me that until someone went back from the future to the past and interacted with someone it didn't happen.

Agreed, the present is always the present until the past is changed.
I though Doc Brown did a great job of explaining it.

Great episode last night.

[joepsu0985]

This other small issue I had with tonight's... Christian's semantics with Locke ("YOU were supposed to move the island") yea but, Ben seemed to have a valid point in the finale last year. Locke is told he has to "move the island" -- but that was it! How would he know what the fuck that means? If he was truly meant to, don't you think Jacob (via Christian) woulda made sure Locke has the appropriate cheat sheet with him walking out the door? :p

JACOB/CHRISTIAN: "John... you have to move the island. How? oh, meh.. just go and talk to Ben, he knows all the details, I gotta go and catch up on my Tivo'd 'Judge Judy' episodes"

Ben did it because he didn't want to lose control.

[clayj41]

Pretty epic episode last night, but there were still a lot of things that bugged me about it. First of all, what was with Jin totally understanding everything said to him in one sequence and then he needed a translator when he met up with Locke and Sawyer's bunch? Then, he goes back to totally understanding English just minutes later...very annoying.

And the biggest thing, and I've been saying it all week, there is NO WAY that Rousseau would not recognize Jin in the future. You can speculate that she went batshit crazy all you want, but I'm going to need some hard proof and an actual explanation from the producers to believe that.

[weller3377]

Pretty epic episode last night, but there were still a lot of things that bugged me about it. First of all, what was with Jin totally understanding everything said to him in one sequence and then he needed a translator when he met up with Locke and Sawyer's bunch? Then, he goes back to totally understanding English just minutes later...very annoying.

And the biggest thing, and I've been saying it all week, there is NO WAY that Rousseau would not recognize Jin in the future. You can speculate that she went batshit crazy all you want, but I'm going to need some hard proof and an actual explanation from the producers to believe that.

maybe they will give a little more insight on the hour before next weeks episode when they have the "notes" up

[41ravens]

don't know if this has been posted, but this is a very awesome article about the state of the show and where it's headed. ew's doc jensen took a trip to hawaii to interview some of the major players. some of the stuff could be considered spoiler, but it's nothing the producers/actors had a problem revealing. it got me very excited for the remainder of the series.

http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,1550612_20245769_20257373,00.html

[Joruus]

I mean then how did Daniel come to meet her as a child?

Because when Locke stops the donkey wheel from moving, the Losties on the island time shift one more time and end up in....





the late 70s/early 80s during the Dharma Initiative!

It explains how Daniel can be at the drilling for the Orchid, how he can be "in" the video with Pierre Chang (from the ComiCon), and how he can warn Charlotte not to return as a child.

[JTRocks]

Pretty epic episode last night, but there were still a lot of things that bugged me about it. First of all, what was with Jin totally understanding everything said to him in one sequence and then he needed a translator when he met up with Locke and Sawyer's bunch? Then, he goes back to totally understanding English just minutes later...very annoying.

And the biggest thing, and I've been saying it all week, there is NO WAY that Rousseau would not recognize Jin in the future. You can speculate that she went batshit crazy all you want, but I'm going to need some hard proof and an actual explanation from the producers to believe that.

because they all look alike.

even if i did meet some asian person 15 years ago, no matter how traumatic the events may be that I went through with them, if i'm only seeing them for about a total of 20 minutes or so, theres no way i would recognize the asian person 15 years later. Nothing against asian people or nothing, but me as a white person, I would have a harder time recognizing and distinguishing the face of an asian person, especially 15 years later. and if you're seriously gonna get mad over me saying this...c'mon

also, everyones saying how Rouseau went all crazy, but what about how her husband was about to shoot her? anyone remember that? right after he basically wins her over and she lets her guard down, he tries to shoot her but theres no more bullets left, then she shoots him. so yeah, theres no doubt daniel is a little crazy, but i dont know how in-the-wrong she was for shooting her husband, and for that matter, the other 2 guys

[joepsu0985]

Pretty epic episode last night, but there were still a lot of things that bugged me about it. First of all, what was with Jin totally understanding everything said to him in one sequence and then he needed a translator when he met up with Locke and Sawyer's bunch? Then, he goes back to totally understanding English just minutes later...very annoying.

And the biggest thing, and I've been saying it all week, there is NO WAY that Rousseau would not recognize Jin in the future. You can speculate that she went batshit crazy all you want, but I'm going to need some hard proof and an actual explanation from the producers to believe that.

I disagree. In this time line when Rousseau's team found Jin in 1988 (Which didn't happen in the first time line of 1988) she would certainly recognize him. If Rousseau didn't die and time caught up, I'm guessing she would have had a "memory" similar to desmond having one of Faraday. My theory is yeah, they can't change the past, but I think they create a new time line. But when the new timeline and the old time line meet up, the memories are there.

[jguinan101]

i think she would especially remember the man that told her not to go down in the hole after her team, who all went crazy after they went down there no less. i think more than anything the writers didn't really know back in season 1 that jin would be meeting danielle in the past. they didn't exactly know all that would be happening so they didn't know danielle was supposed to remember jin.

[Bartndrpleez]

OK, so the whole Charlotte/Daniel/time travel thing kind of dawned on me after a second viewing of last night's episode. I am one who is on the side of "it ALWAYS happened the first time," but they almost threw a wrench in that with the reveal that Daniel was the one who warned Charlotte not to come back to the island before she left as a little girl.

What this means to me, is that the final jump we get will be back to Dharma time when they were researching the island. We saw Daniel working for Dharma in the first episode of this season, so it is possible that it was him who warned Charlotte, but when Charlotte revealed that to Daniel, he hadn't actually done it yet (which is why he looked so surprised at what she was saying to him). Does this make ANY sense to anybody else? :lol

[JTRocks]

yeah, ive been on the same bandwagon as you as far as the "it always happened the first time" thing. And i think you're right, most likely, daniel does not know that he told her yet.

on a side note, for someone who was introduced to us all the way back in season 1, does anyone else feel a bit cheated on Rouseau's back story? When Jin saw the black smoke, I thought for sure we were gonna see how Alex was taken away from Rouseau, but no. But I'm sure we will get a chance to see what happened with Alex and how ben got her at some point, you have to figure that will play a prominent role in the story somewhere. I heard an interesting theory about how Rouseau may be carrying twins, but I cant remember who the other twin turned out to be in the theory. anyone ever hear of this theory before?

[jmanheels]

Here are my thoughts on the time travel thing:

The flashes are course correction. They seem to appear right after a Lostie is about to change the timeline. Examples include Sawyer's almost interaction with Kate, Faraday's attempted interaction with Desmond in the Hatch, and the Losties interaction with some unknown people out on the boats. The obvious exception is Jin with Danielle in this newest episode. I have a feeling that this was supposed to happen, that Jin's place on the timeline was to prevent Danielle from going down the tunnel with her other crewmates. Once his place in the timeline was done, he flashed. This would support the theory that they were "always there" because how else would Danielle have been the only one to later survive "the sickness," which we discovered last episode was an effect of the trip down the tunnel.

As far as the time travel goes, I feel this is the correct theory. Think of the timeline as a graph with a person's personal timeline on the x axis, and the overall timeline on the y axis. A person can jump around on the y axis without extending their personal timeline. So every person's life has its own timeline that fits onto the main scheme of things. Jin had been living at the same time as he was on the island with Danielle, but he had been at a different time on his personal timeline. So the actions must have already happened in 1988, for 2004 Jin to have been able to change the timeline without being course corrected by the flashes.

Whew...this may make complete sense, or maybe it may make sense only in my head. But I think this is how their time travel works.

[RJP2741]

I think there are too many exceptions to the "flashes are course correction" idea. For one, Daniel is able to talk to Desmond and Desmond reacts to that interaction in the real world. Locke interacts with Richard and The Others, Sawyer Juliet and Locke killing some of The Others, Jin and Rousseau. I think the flashes are just random, and all of the things that The Losties are doing in the flashes are things that have always happened. For example, Richard knew to go visit Locke when he was born becaue a 50 year old Locke told him to in 1954.

[Revolution36]

OK, so the whole Charlotte/Daniel/time travel thing kind of dawned on me after a second viewing of last night's episode. I am one who is on the side of "it ALWAYS happened the first time," but they almost threw a wrench in that with the reveal that Daniel was the one who warned Charlotte not to come back to the island before she left as a little girl.

What this means to me, is that the final jump we get will be back to Dharma time when they were researching the island. We saw Daniel working for Dharma in the first episode of this season, so it is possible that it was him who warned Charlotte, but when Charlotte revealed that to Daniel, he hadn't actually done it yet (which is why he looked so surprised at what she was saying to him). Does this make ANY sense to anybody else? :lol


i agree with this 100%. couldnt have said it better myself.

[clayj41]

I disagree. In this time line when Rousseau's team found Jin in 1988 (Which didn't happen in the first time line of 1988) she would certainly recognize him. If Rousseau didn't die and time caught up, I'm guessing she would have had a "memory" similar to desmond having one of Faraday. My theory is yeah, they can't change the past, but I think they create a new time line. But when the new timeline and the old time line meet up, the memories are there.

Maybe. I'm more convinced that Locke finally corrected things this last time and that's going to be the source of an alternate timeline, one that still leads to Oceanic 815 crashing on the island.

[dh4645]

there were many great things in the episode....i especially liked hearing Hurley's recording of him reading off the numbers over the radio....back in 1988.

[jmanheels]

I think there are too many exceptions to the "flashes are course correction" idea. For one, Daniel is able to talk to Desmond and Desmond reacts to that interaction in the real world. Locke interacts with Richard and The Others, Sawyer Juliet and Locke killing some of The Others, Jin and Rousseau. I think the flashes are just random, and all of the things that The Losties are doing in the flashes are things that have always happened. For example, Richard knew to go visit Locke when he was born becaue a 50 year old Locke told him to in 1954.

Yeah I see what you're saying, but it can still make sense. Just think that Locke was supposed to tell Richard about his birthdate, but the course correction came in only when Richard was about to tell Locke how to get off the island. I think it is only the details that have not already happened yet that are being course corrected. Young Locke had already been visited by Richard in Locke's personal timeline, so it was required by Locke to visit Richard and tell him to visit him. Its a little hazy, but I think it can still make sense.

[junior94]

yeah, ive been on the same bandwagon as you as far as the "it always happened the first time" thing. And i think you're right, most likely, daniel does not know that he told her yet.

on a side note, for someone who was introduced to us all the way back in season 1, does anyone else feel a bit cheated on Rouseau's back story? When Jin saw the black smoke, I thought for sure we were gonna see how Alex was taken away from Rouseau, but no. But I'm sure we will get a chance to see what happened with Alex and how ben got her at some point, you have to figure that will play a prominent role in the story somewhere. I heard an interesting theory about how Rouseau may be carrying twins, but I cant remember who the other twin turned out to be in the theory. anyone ever hear of this theory before?

But I think if anything this Daniel thing now just further proves my stance. Because he obviously didn't know what she was talking about, he didn't yet know about telling her in the past, because he hadn't yet gone back in time to tell her in the past, meaning he wasn't "always there from the beginning".

Plus on just a general point about the time travel, a detail I only thought of now, a question for those who are on the "it always happened like that" bandwagon -- how then does the person still have knowledge of things that happen in the future when they're there in the past? You see what I'm saying? Because for that person, the future's already happened, meaning they're doing this now in the past because they were able to travel back in time to do it. Think about it, if in 1954 Locke "was always there from the start" to talk to Richard -- how does he already know about stuff that happens later on?

As far as Rousseau's back story... I don't know, do we really need to SEE all that stuff happen to her at this point? I mean, we already do essentially know a lot of her story, and we've now seen some of it from her direct point of view back in 1988. Do we necessarily need to see every beat played out in front of us, like the actual kidnapping of Alex? I'm not sure that we do. I wouldn't be surprised if it's not necessarily in the producers plans to still visually dramatize that.

[junior94]

Here are my thoughts on the time travel thing:

The flashes are course correction. They seem to appear right after a Lostie is about to change the timeline. Examples include Sawyer's almost interaction with Kate, Faraday's attempted interaction with Desmond in the Hatch, and the Losties interaction with some unknown people out on the boats.

Hmm. Okay I think I understand what you're saying, and while of course I or we all don't know if this is the case, but I think at the very least your theory is sound and logical, it would seem to make sense. I like that idea, I think.

[junior94]

On a random note... I hope Kate in the end winds up either with Sawyer, or neither of them. Because for one, how satisfied will you be really if it's just either/or? I mean that idea is soooooo over done in movies and TV. It's actually kinda boring if it's just a binary thing like that. Second, I actually think Sawyer's love for her is the most pure, if that makes sense. With Jack, just by nature of everything about him, he's always about having to get the task done, doing the right thing, I mean I'm not saying he doesn't have genuine feelings for her, I think he does, but I don't know with him I look at it more like he's thinking "I have to be with her because that would make everything proper and right".

But yea other than that, I'd love it if she ended up with neither of them in the very end, at least in the most kinda conventional sense. I really think there's potential to do something interesting there.

[Talula62]

it's like we share a brain, kevin. no more jack and kate!

[JTRocks]

I love Sawyer and all, but I really dont see him ever making it off the island alive. I just see him ending up probly sacrificing himself for everyone like charlie. Then, maybe Kate ends up with jack or neither

[dh4645]

anyone else notice that red star on the back of jins shirt. weird.

[Bartndrpleez]

But I think if anything this Daniel thing now just further proves my stance. Because he obviously didn't know what she was talking about, he didn't yet know about telling her in the past, because he hadn't yet gone back in time to tell her in the past, meaning he wasn't "always there from the beginning".

OK, I think we agree on this issue more than you think, you're just seeing it the wrong way. If that makes sense. :lol

The way I see it is like this: there is one timeline, that's it. However, you are intertwining people's personal experiences with time, which isn't how it is. Yes, Locke always was in 1954 to tell Richard to see him when he was a kid, however Locke had to get to the point in 2004 in order to go back to 1954 for that to happen. This is also why Daniel hadn't yet known he was the one to tell Charlotte because he hadn't actually done it yet, while she already had that experience when she was a kid. Does that make any sense to you?

[dh4645]

anyone else notice how similar the two bodies were...and danielle's dude that we see her shoot.

http://i.iimmgg.com/images/gr/df5ede2cbdf04d14d20cb2d8b55e9073.jpg

http://i.iimmgg.com/images/gr/af9d3220b53bd9ff2b7ac6ddb5c28273.jpg

http://i.iimmgg.com/images/gr/022cde3f77bc3a73b373b3a774c247b0.jpg

what? did smokey clone him???? and danielle killed him 3 times? no wonder she's crazy

do you think they were trying to kill her because she was pregos?

[Bartndrpleez]

anyone else notice how similar the two bodies were...and danielle's dude that we see her shoot.

http://i.iimmgg.com/images/gr/df5ede2cbdf04d14d20cb2d8b55e9073.jpg

http://i.iimmgg.com/images/gr/af9d3220b53bd9ff2b7ac6ddb5c28273.jpg

http://i.iimmgg.com/images/gr/022cde3f77bc3a73b373b3a774c247b0.jpg

what? did smokey clone him???? and danielle killed him 3 times? no wonder she's crazy

Hotlinking is not allowed. :(

[dh4645]

Hotlinking is not allowed. :(

what?

[Bartndrpleez]

what?

When you click on the links you posted, that's what shows up. The site you are linking to does not allow you to post links to their pictures, hence no one can see them.

[dh4645]

When you click on the links you posted, that's what shows up. The site you are linking to does not allow you to post links to their pictures, hence no one can see them.

weird, cause when i click on them, they go right to them.

anyway here is the main page...check out the pics of the bodies

http://losteastereggs.blogspot.com/2009/02/episode-5x05-this-place-is-death-jin.html

[boarderx5423]

Not to mention he actually had his arm...

[junior94]

2 things...

I'd highly recommend everyone DL and listen to the audio podcast from ABC marked 2/5, it actually went online inbetween The Little Prince and This Place Is Death. It's friggin hilarious listening to Damon and Carlton going back and forth.

Secondly, it's occurred to me what's likely the biggest downside of us all being so involved with talking and speculating on this show online as so many of us come to do. Because we've got so many points of view and guesses to sort of coalesce into theories and answers, we end up figuring out stuff fairly quickly, and as such there are actual later show moments that then become sort of anticlimactic. Like clearly in the last night's episode (you need only have heard the music cue), the moment where Desmond appears at the church and says to Ben "what, looking for Faraday's mother?" was supposed to be this sort of big revelation... and yet we all pretty much knew that like 3 weeks ago :p

[WaltzingBack]

2 things...

I'd highly recommend everyone DL and listen to the audio podcast from ABC marked 2/5, it actually went online inbetween The Little Prince and This Place Is Death. It's friggin hilarious listening to Damon and Carlton going back and forth.

Secondly, it's occurred to me what's likely the biggest downside of us all being so involved with talking and speculating on this show online as so many of us come to do. Because we've got so many points of view and guesses to sort of coalesce into theories and answers, we end up figuring out stuff fairly quickly, and as such there are actual later show moments that then become sort of anticlimactic. Like clearly in the last night's episode (you need only have heard the music cue), the moment where Desmond appears at the church and says to Ben "what, looking for Faraday's mother?" was supposed to be this sort of big revelation... and yet we all pretty much knew that like 3 weeks ago :p

:thumbsup i hate when this show does this to us. it assumes we're all stupid and can't figure stuff like that out. give us a real twist at the end bitch please

[RJP2741]

I think it was more to show Ben's surprise. I took Ben's reaction to mean that he wasn't aware that Mrs. Hawking was Faraday's mother.

[Spicy McHaggis]

:thumbsup i hate when this show does this to us. it assumes we're all stupid and can't figure stuff like that out. give us a real twist at the end bitch please

Those moments really aren't for people like us, though. There are a lot of morons with no memory who watch LOST, as well as people who don't have the time like we do to ponder the overall story. That weekly 8:00 PM pop-up repeat garbage is not for us, either. That had to be a request by ABC... I can't imagine Lindelof & Cuse, who are so great at "show don't tell", would want to do that.

[amoore624426]

I thought Wednesday's episode was the best of the season. I know, that was only the 3? 4? but still, the best.

[il bacio dolce]

Those moments really aren't for people like us, though. There are a lot of morons with no memory who watch LOST, as well as people who don't have the time like we do to ponder the overall story. That weekly 8:00 PM pop-up repeat garbage is not for us, either. That had to be a request by ABC... I can't imagine Lindelof & Cuse, who are so great at "show don't tell", would want to do that.

They are just pointless. I would imagine 90% of everything makes absolutely no sense if you just watched this season. Like when Hugo gets pulled over by Ana Lucia. I cracked up! Even with the little helpful hint at the bottom, that part would have been lost on anyone who hadn't been watching all along. Why bother trying to explain things to anyone who hasn't been following?

[cryfreedom4136]

I think there are too many exceptions to the "flashes are course correction" idea. For one, Daniel is able to talk to Desmond and Desmond reacts to that interaction in the real world. Locke interacts with Richard and The Others, Sawyer Juliet and Locke killing some of The Others, Jin and Rousseau. I think the flashes are just random, and all of the things that The Losties are doing in the flashes are things that have always happened. For example, Richard knew to go visit Locke when he was born becaue a 50 year old Locke told him to in 1954.

I don't think you can use Richard as an example, because he clearly doesn't play by the same rules as everyone else when it comes to time

They are just pointless. I would imagine 90% of everything makes absolutely no sense if you just watched this season. Like when Hugo gets pulled over by Ana Lucia. I cracked up! Even with the little helpful hint at the bottom, that part would have been lost on anyone who hadn't been watching all along. Why bother trying to explain things to anyone who hasn't been following?


If you read his post, thats not at all what he was saying... he was saying that not everyone remembers the small details of the episodes so they need to be reminded and told when an important piece of information is revealed

[il bacio dolce]

Yes, I read it, and didn't totally agree. :rolleyes

[Talula62]

She's saying it's stupid to beat a dead horse for the casual viewers because at this point you should either be totally in it or not even watching. I see your point Cassie, but the monkeys in charge of ABC never agree. :lol

Apparently ratings have been dropping relatively steadily across this season so far. I say good riddens cuz it's not like the show is going anywhere with the end date set and maybe they'll stop pointing out the obvious if the Lost-for-Dummies contingent disappears. :lol

[junior94]

Apparently ratings have been dropping relatively steadily across this season so far. I say good riddens cuz it's not like the show is going anywhere with the end date set and maybe they'll stop pointing out the obvious if the Lost-for-Dummies contingent disappears. :lol

Yea which frankly I'm really surprised by. For anyone who's been actually watching all 4 seasons, and now you're dropping out?? And that's even for people who have been watching since the start, or say, hadn't watched it before season 4 or something so they caught up beforehand... essentially same diff..

[cryfreedom4136]

Not everyone is capable of remembering every little detail of the last 5 years of Lost... I enjoy the pop-up episodes... I already know/remember most of the stuff that they show, but it's still fun and the original episode is just as good. If you don't like it, don't watch it, I don't see what the big deal is...

[Spicy McHaggis]

Yes, I read it, and didn't totally agree. :rolleyes

Actually, I think you do. I agree with you... we're saying the same thing. I think that pop-up thing as well as those "exposition scenes" (where you're told what's going on) make for horrid television. As a writer, I can tell you for certain that exposition scenes are laziness right there for the world to see.

I definitely think they should be catering to us, those people investing time and energy in experiencing the show. I was just pointing out how the show runners undoubtedly are facing pressure from ABC to throw in things for the lowest common denominator. I think it's stupid, but it's there.

[Talula62]

Not everyone is capable of remembering every little detail of the last 5 years of Lost... I enjoy the pop-up episodes... I already know/remember most of the stuff that they show, but it's still fun and the original episode is just as good. If you don't like it, don't watch it, I don't see what the big deal is...
Oh, were we talking about pop-up episodes? I've never seen one of those. I thought we were just talking about them being really obvious with stuff we already know during the episodes themselves. Regardless, it distracts at least a little from the overall experience of the show, like Kevin was saying about things not being quite as anti-climactic. Not that it's that big a deal. It just happens enough towards the end of almost every show to be a lil annoying.

[Spicy McHaggis]

Not everyone is capable of remembering every little detail of the last 5 years of Lost... I enjoy the pop-up episodes... I already know/remember most of the stuff that they show, but it's still fun and the original episode is just as good. If you don't like it, don't watch it, I don't see what the big deal is...

I suppose you're right, and I would definitely support it if LOST needed high ratings to stay on the air. I guess the problem some of us have is we know the show is immune from cancellation, so why not tell the story the way you want & the way you got a following in the first place?

[Spicy McHaggis]

Oh, were we talking about pop-up episodes? I've never seen one of those. I thought we were just talking about them being really obvious with stuff we already know during the episodes themselves. Regardless, it distracts at least a little from the overall experience of the show, like Kevin was saying about things not being quite as anti-climactic. Not that it's that big a deal. It just happens enough towards the end of almost every show to be a lil annoying.

I was talking about both, so it's all good.

[junior94]

Oh, were we talking about pop-up episodes? I've never seen one of those. I thought we were just talking about them being really obvious with stuff we already know during the episodes themselves. Regardless, it distracts at least a little from the overall experience of the show, like Kevin was saying about things not being quite as anti-climactic. Not that it's that big a deal. It just happens enough towards the end of almost every show to be a lil annoying.

Well, to be fair, I think there can be a difference between a strong, avid fan of the show and a true diehard, hardcore fan. I would guess they're making the weekly scripts for the former. Like, a person that definitely considers the show "appointment TV" and never misses it, has been there since the beginning, but for whatever reason they never really go online to discuss the show with others like obviously all of us do here, they're just kinda taking the show strictly for what it is as they watch it on the telly each week, not going all out hardcore deep into stuff. And so that kind of person, I'd say that while they could likely have what they feel is an educated guess before now that Eloise was Daniel's mother, this week really was like a solid confirmation for them, where it was essentially fact for us long ago.

[cryfreedom4136]

Well, to be fair, I think there can be a difference between a strong, avid fan of the show and a true diehard, hardcore fan. I would guess they're making the weekly scripts for the former. Like, a person that definitely considers the show "appointment TV" and never misses it, has been there since the beginning, but for whatever reason they never really go online to discuss the show with others like obviously all of us do here, they're just kinda taking the show strictly for what it is as they watch it on the telly each week, not going all out hardcore deep into stuff. And so that kind of person, I'd say that while they could likely have what they feel is an educated guess before now that Eloise was Daniel's mother, this week really was like a solid confirmation for them, where it was essentially fact for us long ago.

The fact is that viewers over 30 are not very likely to go online and read/discuss a TV show. I think the "true diehard" portion of the people that watch the show and go online to read and discuss about the show is maybe 20-30% of total viewers

[JorgeCavos]

I'm so glad that i'm in that 20-30% of diehard because it makes the show so much more enjoyable. To be able to go back and watch old episodes and see how incredibly these writers have intricately woven so many stories into one makes me appreciate how genius this show is.

[AlanA4]

this was probably already discussed but, is there any possibility that charlotte was the girl that was ben's friend when he was with the dharma?

[clayj41]

this was probably already discussed but, is there any possibility that charlotte was the girl that was ben's friend when he was with the dharma?

You mean Annie. Yeah, it's been discussed and personally I don't think she is.

[il bacio dolce]

Actually, I think you do. I agree with you... we're saying the same thing. I think that pop-up thing as well as those "exposition scenes" (where you're told what's going on) make for horrid television. As a writer, I can tell you for certain that exposition scenes are laziness right there for the world to see.

I definitely think they should be catering to us, those people investing time and energy in experiencing the show. I was just pointing out how the show runners undoubtedly are facing pressure from ABC to throw in things for the lowest common denominator. I think it's stupid, but it's there.

Actually I thought I WAS agreeing, until that guy said I was contradicting the original statement, and I got confused...

I just figure Lost is the kind of show, you either attempt to watch once or twice and then throw up your hands in frustration and change the channel, or you're like me and have watched the series to this point at least twice. ;) I mean things pop up in every episode now.. like 8:15 on the alarm clock at the beginning of this season. That didn't really mean much, but it's something aimed at an audience that has been paying attention the whole time. Does that make sense?

[Spicy McHaggis]

I'm so glad that i'm in that 20-30% of diehard because it makes the show so much more enjoyable. To be able to go back and watch old episodes and see how incredibly these writers have intricately woven so many stories into one makes me appreciate how genius this show is.
yes, I'm exactly the same way. I find it's the people who are in the OTHER 70%, who don't have a clue what's going on, are the ones claiming the writers don't know where they're going. People like us, on the other hand, go back through the DVDs and we know how well done everything is. We know it's one of the best.
Actually I thought I WAS agreeing, until that guy said I was contradicting the original statement, and I got confused...

I just figure Lost is the kind of show, you either attempt to watch once or twice and then throw up your hands in frustration and change the channel, or you're like me and have watched the series to this point at least twice. ;) I mean things pop up in every episode now.. like 8:15 on the alarm clock at the beginning of this season. That didn't really mean much, but it's something aimed at an audience that has been paying attention the whole time. Does that make sense?

Absolutely.

[il bacio dolce]

Some backstory that is rumored to be in an upcoming episode - which I'm probably more excited about than most, as I have always liked that character in particular.
Saw this on a Lost board: read of a casting call a few months back searching for a child version of Sayid in an arc elaborating on his poor relationship to his father and a younger brother. So while we may not see him much in the present for that arc, his story will at least be the focus.

[cryfreedom4136]

TV, especially network TV, is rarely catered to intelligent people... It is almost always dumbed down so everyone can enjoy it, and shows that aren't don't last long... that's just the way it is

[timeaftertime]

this was probably already discussed but, is there any possibility that charlotte was the girl that was ben's friend when he was with the dharma?

They would have to really mess around with time travel because Annie would be about 45 and Charlotte is not quite 30.

[JorgeCavos]

I cannot WAIT for next week...

I just saw a preview that leads me to think we should all brace ourselves for another epic...

PLANE CRASH :)

[cryfreedom4136]

I suppose you're right, and I would definitely support it if LOST needed high ratings to stay on the air. I guess the problem some of us have is we know the show is immune from cancellation, so why not tell the story the way you want & the way you got a following in the first place?

Because they want to make as much money as possible. TV is not art, it is business

[Joruus]

They would have to really mess around with time travel because Annie would be about 45 and Charlotte is not quite 30.

Charlotte COULD however be Annie's daughter... and they left the Island before the purge because Ben gave them a heads up and a free pass to leave. Ben was in love with Annie after all. We've seen what lengths Ben will go for a woman (his jealously towards Goodwin over Juliet).

Darleton said in the season 3 commentary for "The Man Behind the Curtain" that Annie would become a big deal.

[junior94]

They would have to really mess around with time travel because Annie would be about 45 and Charlotte is not quite 30.


Well yea this has definitely been brought up before. I think the only way they could come even close to making that be the case in a "logical" way is that consider the fact that we've already pretty much been told that time passes in a different way on the island than off. So if they went that way, it would seem to suggest to me that time advances much faster on the island than it does in the real world, that Ben isn't "really" 45-ish, but if he'd lived his whole life back in civilization, he'd be the same age as Charlotte.

[Freddy35]

Just read an article in Entertainment Weekly...

They had a picture of Hurley, Kate, and Jack

standing at the barracks with the welcome necklace from the DI wrapped around their necks...and a couple of those powder blue VW busses in the background...

seems to me that they're back on the island and being welcomed in as new DI people...

[il bacio dolce]

I posted a video revealing a similar "spoiler". That'd be round about episode 9.

[junior94]

Thought I'd mention this for the hell of it. This is something I came across on I think it was a blog recently, maybe some of you already heard it maybe not, it was something that Darlton had said, but I'm not sure how long ago it was at this point. That as far as Jacob goes, we have in fact already seen him -- even if we didn't know it was Jacob we were seeing in that/those moment(s).

Now, I kind of don't think they're just referring to the quick flash of the shot of the guy in the chair from the season 3 episode where Locke & Ben visit the cabin, that just seems too simple. And I don't know if they'd just be talking about those two eye closeups we've seen in that episode and in the season 4 premiere or not.

But, for anyone for whom that may be news...

[timeaftertime]

Charlotte COULD however be Annie's daughter... and they left the Island before the purge because Ben gave them a heads up and a free pass to leave. Ben was in love with Annie after all. We've seen what lengths Ben will go for a woman (his jealously towards Goodwin over Juliet).

Darleton said in the season 3 commentary for "The Man Behind the Curtain" that Annie would become a big deal.

You could be right. When did women on the island stop being able to have children?

[junior94]

Forgot, a couple other points I wanted to mention...

I suppose not that we really needed further evidence that Desmond is "special" for some reason and the rules don't apply to him, but notice in the season premiere, when Faraday is having his chat with him outside the hatch door, when that time shift sound starts and the sky starts to light up -- Desmond sees/hears it too. Whereas in all other cases we've seen, whoever the people in the past or the future that the Losties interact with, it's not happening to them (it's why Danielle can't figure out why Jin's suddenly acting so strange just before he jumps outside the temple). They make a point to show it twice, Desmond reacting, first to the sound, then to the light. ;)

And secondly speaking of that scene with Danielle outside the temple... I do'nt think that Smokezilla was trying to kill the members of her team, or at the very least that first guy that got pulled down and had his arm ripped off (not sure of his name). Think about it, the only other two "attacks" we've seen of Smokey in the series where he's killed, the pilot and Eko, killing them seemed to be its direct goal, and that's exactly what happened. Whereas in this scene, Smokey purposely went after Frenchie and pulled him alllllllll the way back into its whole, down into the underbelly of the temple. Smokey wanted him for some reason (and perhaps the other team members too, but at the very least that guy), I believe it's very possible it wanted him alive. I mean we don't know how long that guy kept on living after he went down the hole, we just know that the other 2 guys who followed him later went crazy (according to Danielle) and were killed by her basically out of self-defense. I mean, I have no clue why, but I figure there's gotta be a very specific reason why he was taken the way in which he was.

[il bacio dolce]

Who is Annie?

I'm going to have eat my words that I don't need reminded of anything.

[Joruus]

Who is Annie?

I'm going to have eat my words that I don't need reminded of anything.

She's the girl that Ben befriends when he is little. She's the one that gave him the wooden doll of her and kept the wooden doll of Ben.

http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Annie

[JorgeCavos]

2 days! 2 days! 2 days! 2 days! 2 days!

Everyone remember that Ajira water bottle that the time-jumping Losties found in the canoes earlier this season? Wednesday we'll see more of this Ajira Airways... I wonder if their pilot is going to be as skilled at crashing planes as the Oceanic pilot...

[dh4645]

2 days! 2 days! 2 days! 2 days! 2 days!

Everyone remember that Ajira water bottle that the time-jumping Losties found in the canoes earlier this season? Wednesday we'll see more of this Ajira Airways... I wonder if their pilot is going to be as skilled at crashing planes as the Oceanic pilot...

kinda a spoiler, for people who like to know nothing going in

[il bacio dolce]

Ah ok. I do vaguely remember her. I guess there is a lot that had faded in my memory.

[JTRocks]

kinda a spoiler, for people who like to know nothing going in

seriously. I come to this forum instead of the hardcore lost forums around the web so i DON'T have to deal with spoilers. Anything other than the "next week on Lost" stuff should be tagged with spoilers.

[RhodyDMBFan]

http://www.sl-lost.com/2009/02/12/radio-transmission-hurley/


Was it Hurley reciting the numbers on the radio transmission heard by the French?

[dh4645]

http://www.sl-lost.com/2009/02/12/radio-transmission-hurley/


Was it Hurley reciting the numbers on the radio transmission heard by the French?

yes, i said that on here a few days ago

[il bacio dolce]

I had forgot about that. Yeah I thought it was him.

[cfjess012]

Look for Mr. Ecko later...hint hint

[junior94]

http://www.sl-lost.com/2009/02/12/radio-transmission-hurley/


Was it Hurley reciting the numbers on the radio transmission heard by the French?

No, I talked about this the week before, when we first met the team (apparently I was the only one who heard the numbers over the walkie). If you remember Hurley's first ever flashback ep in season 1, we learn that it was Leonard (Hurley's old fellow nuthouse inmate) who had recited the numbers into a recording, he was stationed with a partner somewhere in the South Pacific. Though at the moment I forget why they did it, or any more to the story.

[il bacio dolce]

Look for Mr. Ecko later...hint hint

Well it wouldn't surprise me. Everyone we thought was written off for good because of their DUI's has shown up again. Jin survived the explosion, as I suspected he had, AL showed up again, Libby got a shout out at least, they might just as well bring Ecko back.

[RJP2741]

I heard Eko's leaving was a lot more complicated than the others. I think it was a combination of his father dying plus he hated living in Hawaii and was difficult to work with.

[dh4645]

No, I talked about this the week before, when we first met the team (apparently I was the only one who heard the numbers over the walkie). If you remember Hurley's first ever flashback ep in season 1, we learn that it was Leonard (Hurley's old fellow nuthouse inmate) who had recited the numbers into a recording, he was stationed with a partner somewhere in the South Pacific. Though at the moment I forget why they did it, or any more to the story.

but according to your theory there are two timelines, so maybe hurley did it the second time.

not that i believe the two timeline theory.

to me, it didnt sound like hurley at first, but the last number or two sounded like hurley. who knows?

[UNLTrpt]

I heard Eko's leaving was a lot more complicated than the others. I think it was a combination of his father dying plus he hated living in Hawaii and was difficult to work with.

That was exactly it. It wasn't a story choice, it was that he didn't want to be there anymore.

[RJP2741]

Okay, I had heard different things about his departure. But since that is the case, I would be surprised if Eko reappears on the show in any form.

[tankdan]

Where is Vincent the dog?

Dan

[JorgeCavos]

Where is Vincent the dog?

Dan

Running around the jungle probably. Darlton said that the only character that they guarantee will survive through the entire series is Vincent, so i'm not too worried about him :lol

[DoDaFoo]

No, I talked about this the week before, when we first met the team (apparently I was the only one who heard the numbers over the walkie). If you remember Hurley's first ever flashback ep in season 1, we learn that it was Leonard (Hurley's old fellow nuthouse inmate) who had recited the numbers into a recording, he was stationed with a partner somewhere in the South Pacific. Though at the moment I forget why they did it, or any more to the story.

He didnt recite the numbers, he was stationed in the South Pacific trying to intercept transmissions and came upon the recording and became obsessed with the numbers.

[junior94]

He didnt recite the numbers, he was stationed in the South Pacific trying to intercept transmissions and came upon the recording and became obsessed with the numbers.

Sorry, yes, you're absolutely right. That's what I initially had in my head, I don't know why I said it like I did :p

[RJP2741]

Where is Vincent the dog?

Dan

Probably chillin with Rose and Bernard, god knows where on the island.

[dh4645]

Sorry, yes, you're absolutely right. That's what I initially had in my head, I don't know why I said it like I did :p

so then, it is hurley

[junior94]

so then, it is hurley

No, it's not. Well, I suppose I can't say that definitively. But we've no reason to think that it is, we haven't seen any time where Hurley is bothering to record himself reciting the numbers. And I don't think it sounds like him anyway.

But besides, if it does turn out to be him, that pretty much tells me that the answer for most mysteries (if not all) is going to be time travel, that everything they've experienced so far was just their "past selves" doing it, and if that's the case, I'm gonna be pissed.

[jguinan101]

No, it's not. Well, I suppose I can't say that definitively. But we've no reason to think that it is, we haven't seen any time where Hurley is bothering to record himself reciting the numbers. And I don't think it sounds like him anyway.

But besides, if it does turn out to be him, that pretty much tells me that the answer for most mysteries (if not all) is going to be time travel, that everything they've experienced so far was just their "past selves" doing it, and if that's the case, I'm gonna be pissed.

i think you might be some what on to something. it would be pretty annoying if all these mysteries were answered in this fashion. i do think that we might see something like that with a future hurley traveling back in the past and recording the numbers to make sure that they find the island for what ever reason. sort of like locke telling richard to come visit him. we are just under 30 hours now!!!

[il bacio dolce]

I heard Eko's leaving was a lot more complicated than the others. I think it was a combination of his father dying plus he hated living in Hawaii and was difficult to work with.

Too bad.

Beautiful man, without all the scruff.

[junior94]

Well it wouldn't surprise me. Everyone we thought was written off for good because of their DUI's has shown up again. Jin survived the explosion, as I suspected he had, AL showed up again, Libby got a shout out at least, they might just as well bring Ecko back.

Granted I don't know to what degree you might just be being facetious here but, see I for one believe Darlton when they say that the AnaL character was always meant to just be over a single season arc, that's all that was intended when they brought Michelle Rodriguez in. And that when the DUI happened, they went oh great, now everyone's going to think we're killing her off the show just because the actress herself got in trouble with the law. No, the timing was entirely coincidental.

And though I can't recall any specific quote when it comes to Libby, I tend to think the same is true, the character was killed more or less the time she was always intended to. But yes as has been said, with Eko, the actor requested to be written out of the show as soon as possible.

[Freddy35]

Anyone know of any connection with the number 87? I can't seem to think of one?

[il bacio dolce]

Granted I don't know to what degree you might just be being facetious here but, see I for one believe Darlton when they say that the AnaL character was always meant to just be over a single season arc, that's all that was intended when they brought Michelle Rodriguez in. And that when the DUI happened, they went oh great, now everyone's going to think we're killing her off the show just because the actress herself got in trouble with the law. No, the timing was entirely coincidental.

And though I can't recall any specific quote when it comes to Libby, I tend to think the same is true, the character was killed more or less the time she was always intended to. But yes as has been said, with Eko, the actor requested to be written out of the show as soon as possible.

You are probably right. That makes sense.

[Stouggies]

Kait is so awesome sweet this season, mmmmhhhh

[dh4645]

happy lost day
:bounce:multi:bounce

[Knoxvillain]

happy lost day
:bounce:multi:bounce

:multi Namaste motherfucker!

[RJP2741]

Too bad.

Beautiful man, without all the scruff.

You must have enjoyed that scene in the hatch when he sliced off his string beard. :lol


WOOOOO for Lost Day!! :multi:hump

[courtzdmb]

happy lost day
:bounce:multi:bounce

yay!!!! I have a lot of back reading to do in this thread :multi

[Bartndrpleez]

Another good preview article from Doc Jensen. Look forward to his previews and recaps every Wednesday and Thursday.

http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,1550612_20245769_20259645,00.html

[RhodyDMBFan]

Kait is so awesome sweet this season, mmmmhhhh

Juliet > Kate this year.

[dh4645]

Juliet > Kate this year.

why do we have to chose?

kate:humpjuliet

that's a me sandwich...and no, juliet is not geting me from behind...she's just patiently waiting her turn because i chose kate 1st

[JTRocks]

interesting note about tonights episode, the "Life of Jeremy Bentham" episode was actually supposed to air this week, before this episode that airs tonight. So, basically I guess that means it really didnt matter what order these next two episodes aired, so I'm guessing we really wont be seeing anything to do with John Locke or Jeremy Bentham this week other than his dead body in the casket.

[courtzdmb]

why do we have to chose?

kate:humpjuliet

that's a me sandwich...and no, juliet is not geting me from behind...she's just patiently waiting her turn because i chose kate 1st

in that case...

jack:humpsawyer

for me :D

[dh4645]

in that case...

jack:humpsawyer

for me :D


ha.

i woulda picked kate and claire, but the OP was talking about juliet vs kate.

[dh4645]

interesting note about tonights episode, the "Life of Jeremy Bentham" episode was actually supposed to air this week, before this episode that airs tonight. So, basically I guess that means it really didnt matter what order these next two episodes aired, so I'm guessing we really wont be seeing anything to do with John Locke or Jeremy Bentham this week other than his dead body in the casket.

yeah tonights is "316"

[JorgeCavos]

I'm pretty sure these episodes are fairly self-contained.

This week: Oceanic 6ers and their attempt to get back to the island (Presumably on Ajira Airlines flight 316)
Next Week: The Life and Death of Jeremy Bentham
Week after that: LaFleur (back on-island adventures)

[GinaNMU]

interesting note about tonights episode, the "Life of Jeremy Bentham" episode was actually supposed to air this week, before this episode that airs tonight. So, basically I guess that means it really didnt matter what order these next two episodes aired, so I'm guessing we really wont be seeing anything to do with John Locke or Jeremy Bentham this week other than his dead body in the casket.

Wow that is really strange. What do you mean "supposed to air"? What happened/why was it switched?

[JorgeCavos]

The writers/creators said that "316" and "The Life and Death of Jeremy Bentham" were switched because they thought the story would flow better and since they're self-contained stories, it doesn't matter which order they're shown in.

[JTRocks]

^^^yeah, what he said

[boarderx5423]

So close...

[il bacio dolce]

Does anybody know the name of the episode where they meet Henry Gale/Ben? I know it's in season two, because they're in the hatch...

[Stouggies]

why do we have to chose?

kate:humpjuliet

that's a me sandwich...and no, juliet is not geting me from behind...she's just patiently waiting her turn because i chose kate 1st
Ahhh, I should try to make a better avatar to this effect but -you though:lol

[il bacio dolce]

Did anyone else notice weird similarities between the scene in season two when Sayid meets Ben and the scene in season four when we find out Sayid is working for Ben?

[malarks26]

Here we go!!!

[il bacio dolce]

Holy shit. I can't even form a thought right now.

[RJP2741]

I love this show.

[Revolution36]

AAAAHHHH!!!!! Jack waking up on the island was EXTREMELY similar to when the plane crashed. Significant??

[greyst1crash]

God I love this show.....It's completely taken my mind off the fact the DMB album has been pushed back, save for the awesome list of tour dates. Hahahahaha, this show has just taken off!

[Revolution36]

^haha. yes. june 2nd is so far, but this show is currently blowing my mind.

[il bacio dolce]

AAAAHHHH!!!!! Jack waking up on the island was EXTREMELY similar to when the plane crashed. Significant??

Wow.

I was like... it's the same. But no, it's different.

:D :multi

[clayj41]

That dialogue between Ben and Jack in the church was some of the best this show has ever done.

[greyst1crash]

Nice, some last minute 'action' before Jack and Kate go back to the island. Hahaha

[il bacio dolce]

I love this show

[il bacio dolce]

That dialogue between Ben and Jack in the church was some of the best this show has ever done.

This whole episode is really exceptionally good.

[Dave G]

That dialogue between Ben and Jack in the church was some of the best this show has ever done.

I hope the thing Ben has to do is not knock off Penny

[Revolution36]

I hope the thing Ben has to do is not knock off Penny

No, but it does make a lot of sense.

[clayj41]

This whole episode is really exceptionally good.

It just has the feel of an old Lost episode. The opening scene with Jack waking up on the island has something to do with that, but it's also because thus far it has felt like a Jack-centric episode. While every other episode has primarily focused on time travel and the island this season, this episode seems to be bringing character development back into the mix...something this show is best at.

[il bacio dolce]

Was anyone else expecting Locke's eyes to pop open?!

[greyst1crash]

Ahhhhhh I wanna know what the hell was in that letter!!!

[clayj41]

Thems his magic shoes! They take him anywhere he wanna go.

[clayj41]

Was anyone else expecting Locke's eyes to pop open?!

Kinda, but that's too weird...even for this show. :lol

[greyst1crash]

I'll obviously be waiting for the character Jack just said hello to in the airport to come into play........And here we go!!!!

[Dramageek]

What happened to Ben? What did he have to do that got his arm in a sling and face cut up?

[clayj41]

Wow, Lepidus is even the pilot! This is awesome!

[Dave G]

"We're not going to Guam are we?" :lol

[il bacio dolce]

I've almost peed my pants just about every scene now. :lol

[weller3377]

damn this is a great damn episode!!

[Dave G]

Ahhhhhh I wanna know what the hell was in that letter!!!

I know, OPEN THE DAMN THING!!!!!

[weller3377]

where is Desmond though?

[clayj41]

Jack: How can you read?

Ben: My mother taught me.

:lol :lol :lol

[courtzdmb]

where is Desmond though?

Desmond is done with the island... supposedly.

Jack - How can you read?
Ben - My mother taught me.

:lol best line ever!

[weller3377]

Jack: How can you read?

Ben: My mother taught me.

:lol :lol :lol

:lol great stuff

[weller3377]

Desmond is done with the island... supposedly.

Jack - How can you read?
Ben - My mother taught me.

:lol best line ever!

duh, he wasn't on the plane, im an idiot

[clayj41]

where is Desmond though?

Don't worry, he'll get back to the island. ;)

[clayj41]

duh, he wasn't on the plane, im an idiot

:thumbsup That too. I'm not saying he'll arrive on the island by sailboat wreck again, but it would'nt work for him to be on the same plane as them.

[weller3377]

haha :lol Hurley, like the old pro at crashing in a plane!!

[courtzdmb]

I wanna know who the new guy is.

[clayj41]

BEST EPISODE OF THE SEASON!!!!!!!!!!!! :cool

[weller3377]

hahahah, damn i love this show

[boarderx5423]

Holy shit. :)

[weller3377]

BEST EPISODE OF THE SEASON!!!!!!!!!!!! :cool

Easily

[il bacio dolce]

Yes!

[courtzdmb]

hahahah, damn i love this show


me too!! Jin was a nice surprise! :ugh

[boarderx5423]

While Desmond is sailing with Penny and Charlie, their boat will get caught in a storm and they'll end up on the island.

Count it.

[Dramageek]

BEST EPISODE OF THE SEASON!!!!!!!!!!!! :cool

:thumbsup:thumbsup

Next week's may be even better based on that preview.

[tarheel997]

HOLY FUCK

Perfect episode tonight IMO

[water_into_wine]

Such a good episode. Fantastic beginning. And John is looking a lot like Jesus.

So damn good. Really looking forward to finding out what happened to Hurley and Sayid though...and did Ben kill Penny?

Edit: Not to mention Aaron.

[joepsu0985]

Didn't the season 1 premier have Hurley yelling in the background when Jack was waking up? I am almost postivie, but could be wrong.

[tarheel997]

Such a good episode. Fantastic beginning. And John is looking a lot like Jesus.

So damn good. Really looking forward to finding out what happened to Hurley and Sayid though...and did Ben kill Penny?

I think Sayid fucked up Ben and then he had him arrested

[clayj41]

Oh, and it reminds me of something I wanted to say in here. An issue of EW had a LOST cover story a few weeks ago that I found to be surprisingly insightful.

The issue provided what they felt would happen when the Oceanic 6 (looks like its only 5 without Aaron) got back to the island. The feeling was that Jack has always had a great destiny to fulfill, he has just never embraced it. This episode drove that feeling that once Jack starts believing that he serves a great purpose, things should get very interesting.

The man of science is becoming a man of faith. ;)

[Revolution36]

that was ssooooooooooooo good:)

[clayj41]

I think Sayid fucked up Ben and then he had him arrested

Wow, good prediction!

[water_into_wine]

I think Sayid fucked up Ben and then he had him arrested

That's what I thought, but then why the fuck would Sayid go to Guam?

I think Ben set him up somehow though.

Also Ben was at the port, which really makes it interesting.

[il bacio dolce]

I have questions. Obviously.

WHEN are they on the island?
Who is that chick with Sayid and more importantly what's with his hair?
And why did he decide to go?
Who beat up Ben?
Where the hell is Aaron?
How the fuck did Hurley get out of jail?

[vikes989]

I dont know if this was said yet, but I think Kate killed aaron...

[water_into_wine]

I have questions. Obviously.

WHEN are they on the island?
Who is that chick with Sayid and more importantly what's with his hair?
Who beat up Ben?
Where the hell is Aaron?

To your first question: I believe they are on the island at the same time as the premier episode started. Where Daniel had bumped into Dr. Candle down in the Orchid Station. I think that they infiltrated/became a part of Dharma at this point of time to fit in or whatever.

[Dramageek]

Oh, and it reminds me of something I wanted to say in here. An issue of EW had a LOST cover story a few weeks ago that I found to be surprisingly insightful.

The issue provided what they felt would happen when the Oceanic 6 (looks like its only 5 without Aaron) got back to the island. The feeling was that Jack has always had a great destiny to fulfill, he has just never embraced it. This episode drove that feeling that once Jack starts believing that he serves a great purpose, things should get very interesting.

The man of science is becoming a man of faith. ;)

Oooh, I like that take on his story. He never shared Locke's faith in the Island. His whole experience is a test of everything he believes, everything that makes sense to him. I think Locke's note may start him on a path of believing.

[mullie15]

That's what I thought, but then why the fuck would Sayid go to Guam?

I think Ben set him up somehow though.

Also Ben was at the port, which really makes it interesting.


I think Ben killed Penny that is why he is at the dock and had a fight with Des.

[water_into_wine]

I dont know if this was said yet, but I think Kate killed aaron...

Doubt it...goes against Kate. I think she gave him away to Claire's mother most likely.

[weller3377]

I think Sayid fucked up Ben and then he had him arrested

i like that thinking

[il bacio dolce]

I dont know if this was said yet, but I think Kate killed aaron...

Its clear she knows what happened and can't bring herself to tell even Jack, so that could be it.

[water_into_wine]

I think Ben killed Penny that is why he is at the dock and had a fight with Des.

That's my theory, but Des is probably still alive. Ben probably knocked Des out because he knew he must live. Then Des will go hunt down Ben and return to the island.

Wow. That just came to me. I think that is the best bet.

[vikes989]

Doubt it...goes against Kate. I think she gave him away to Claire's mother most likely.

Goes against Kate? She's killed before

I just think that she couldnt handle him being taken away from her, and since she knew she had to leave she did it. It explains her distraught nature and how she didnt want jack to EVER ask her about him again

[Talula62]

Well, save the opening and closing and Ben's one liners, I wasn't as big a fan of this ep as everyone else. Too many things that happen off the island in this show are cheesy to me. I was never a big fan of the flashbacks.

Regardless, LOVE that Jin was driving and that he was driving THAT van! :lol

More importantly, on the promo for next week, Locke was about to hang himself with another man in the room. Looked kinda like Ben but with more hair...

[mullie15]

That's my theory, but Des is probably still alive. Ben probably knocked Des out because he knew he must live. Then Des will go hunt down Ben and return to the island.

Wow. That just came to me. I think that is the best bet.

I don't think Ben's intention was to make Des come after him to get back to the island. I think Ben kills Penny because he said he would to Widmore to get back at him for killing his daughter.

[clayj41]

Goes against Kate? She's killed before

I just think that she couldnt handle him being taken away from her, and since she knew she had to leave she did it. It explains her distraught nature and how she didnt want jack to EVER ask her about him again

Possibly, but damn that's brutal!


I personally think it will be something a lot more interesting....or boring. :lol

[il bacio dolce]

I didn't notice the other man in the room. Good eye!

Who is the girl with Sayid who hid his straightener?

[weller3377]

That's my theory, but Des is probably still alive. Ben probably knocked Des out because he knew he must live. Then Des will go hunt down Ben and return to the island.

Wow. That just came to me. I think that is the best bet.

:lol cracking me up Tony

[dowling25]

Goes against Kate? She's killed before

I just think that she couldnt handle him being taken away from her, and since she knew she had to leave she did it. It explains her distraught nature and how she didnt want jack to EVER ask her about him again


She killed her step-dad because she didn't like that he treated her mom like shit and everything. I don't think kate would start killing her kid.

It could just mean that he is somewhere now, maybe someone took him or whatever. Those lawyers or something. I don't think Kate would ever do that to Claire. Highly doubtful

[weller3377]

She killed her step-dad because she didn't like that he treated her mom like shit and everything. I don't think kate would start killing her kid.

It could just mean that he is somewhere now, maybe someone took him or whatever. Those lawyers or something. I don't think Kate would ever do that to Claire. Highly doubtful

but didn't Claire tell her not to bring him back

[dowling25]

I didn't notice the other man in the room. Good eye!

Who is the girl with Sayid who hid his straightener?

That is just a cop I think or posing as a cop I guess is likely too.
I wonder who that dude is on the plane that said to Jack, "sorry for you're loss"

[dowling25]

but didn't Claire tell her not to bring him back

Yes, but she definitely didn't say you should kill him so he can't come back. He is probably somewhere else I think. Or maybe someone killed him, but I don't think Kate would do that.

[JimiThang1]

Well, save the opening and closing and Ben's one liners, I wasn't as big a fan of this ep as everyone else. Too many things that happen off the island in this show are cheesy to me. I was never a big fan of the flashbacks.

Regardless, LOVE that Jin was driving and that he was driving THAT van! :lol

More importantly, on the promo for next week, Locke was about to hang himself with another man in the room. Looked kinda like Ben but with more hair...
It's him, I went back and freeze framed

[il bacio dolce]

That is just a cop I think or posing as a cop I guess is likely too.
I wonder who that dude is on the plane that said to Jack, "sorry for you're loss"

Oh she did show her badge. But why is he with a cop?!

[water_into_wine]

I don't think Ben's intention was to make Des come after him to get back to the island. I think Ben kills Penny because he said he would to Widmore to get back at him for killing his daughter.

I agree. I don't think that was Ben's intention either. But I also think it proves that you can't change destiny and why "The island isn't done with him yet." If he had gone willing with them then Penny would have never dies, and I bet Ben uses that against him to feel guilty in the final episode ever, but then Des kills him. I know that's a long way from now, but I like that prediction :lol

[clayj41]

She killed her step-dad because she didn't like that he treated her mom like shit and everything. I don't think kate would start killing her kid.

It could just mean that he is somewhere now, maybe someone took him or whatever. Those lawyers or something. I don't think Kate would ever do that to Claire. Highly doubtful

:thumbsup Kate is not a bad person. She felt that what she did to her step-father (father) was justified.

[dowling25]

It's him, I went back and freeze framed


You can hear him say "You don't know exactly how important you are John"" or something like that with him in the room.

[joepsu0985]

I have questions. Obviously.

WHEN are they on the island?
Who is that chick with Sayid and more importantly what's with his hair?
And why did he decide to go?
Who beat up Ben?
Where the hell is Aaron?
How the fuck did Hurley get out of jail?

Dharma pre ben killing everyone.
Sayiid did something because they needed a marshall there.
Why? They wanted to save their friend
Beating up ben? No clue.
Aaron, hahah, no clue.
They had no case on hurley.

[clayj41]

Well, save the opening and closing and Ben's one liners, I wasn't as big a fan of this ep as everyone else. Too many things that happen off the island in this show are cheesy to me. I was never a big fan of the flashbacks.

Regardless, LOVE that Jin was driving and that he was driving THAT van! :lol

More importantly, on the promo for next week, Locke was about to hang himself with another man in the room. Looked kinda like Ben but with more hair...

While the show can sometimes be cheesy, tonight's episode brought something that the rest of this season has been lacking somewhat....substance.

[il bacio dolce]

Oh that's right. They did say that already, about Hurley.

[il bacio dolce]

While the show can sometimes be cheesy, tonight's episode brought something that the rest of this season has been lacking somewhat....substance.

I for one didn't get cheesy.

[joepsu0985]

This week was a filler episode if you can even say that.

[clayj41]

I for one didn't get cheesy.

That's because it wasn't, not tonight.

[dowling25]

I agree. I don't think that was Ben's intention either. But I also think it proves that you can't change destiny and why "The island isn't done with him yet." If he had gone willing with them then Penny would have never dies, and I bet Ben uses that against him to feel guilty in the final episode ever, but then Des kills him. I know that's a long way from now, but I like that prediction :lol

The island isn't done with Des. But never said anything about Penny. I mean he is at the dock, and they live in a boat or whatever. Ben has said he would kill Penny. He is all bloody so obviously some crazy shit went down. He fought Des, won because he is fuggin Ben, and then kills Penny. And yes I think towards the end of the show Des will kill Ben. Or at least someone will kill Ben. (This makes me sad cause Ben is my favorite character)

[water_into_wine]

Goes against Kate? She's killed before

I just think that she couldnt handle him being taken away from her, and since she knew she had to leave she did it. It explains her distraught nature and how she didnt want jack to EVER ask her about him again

That can also easily be explained leaving him with someone else (Claire's Mom) and I don't think she would kill.

[Bartndrpleez]

Gotta love how fuckin Ben lies about EVERYTHING! "My mother taught me" to read...PSSSHHHHH! Your momma died when you were born buddy. NICE TRY! :cool

[clayj41]

This week was a filler episode if you can even say that.

That ended up being the best episode of the season.


And no, I don't think you can say that. What could be bigger than everyone getting back to the island? It doesn't really explain the time travelling element of the show, but it wasn't filler.

[water_into_wine]

The island isn't done with Des. But never said anything about Penny. I mean he is at the dock, and they live in a boat or whatever. Ben has said he would kill Penny. He is all bloody so obviously some crazy shit went down. He fought Des, won because he is fuggin Ben, and then kills Penny. And yes I think towards the end of the show Des will kill Ben. Or at least someone will kill Ben. (This makes me sad cause Ben is my favorite character)

So we agree?

[il bacio dolce]

This week was a filler episode if you can even say that.

Har har.

[dowling25]

I wonder what the time period is for Jack, Hurley, and Kate. And if the other people from the plane are in different time periods.

Next weeks episode is going to be so informative. I can hardly wait to find out about Locke when he is back and what he says to everyone. Then it looks like he is either back to life, or is now like Christian and is dead, but a spirit.

[il bacio dolce]

Gotta love how fuckin Ben lies about EVERYTHING! "My mother taught me" to read...PSSSHHHHH! Your momma died when you were born buddy. NICE TRY! :cool

I didn't even catch that. He IS a pathalogical liar!

[clayj41]

Gotta love how fuckin Ben lies about EVERYTHING! "My mother taught me" to read...PSSSHHHHH! Your momma died when you were born buddy. NICE TRY! :cool

Good catch! :lol


I loved when Jack asked Ms. Hawking whether Ben was lying about not knowing that the Lamp Post existed and she replied "Probably." :lol

[joepsu0985]

That ended up being the best episode of the season.


And no, I don't think you can say that. What could be bigger than everyone getting back to the island? It doesn't really explain the time travelling element of the show, but it wasn't filler.

Yeah we knew they were going back. It explained how. But there are much bigger things comming.

[dowling25]

So we agree?

Ok good. I must be confusing you with someone else I was trying to convince. So much stuff is happening I am getting confused of what I am talking about and with who.

But yes we agree it seems.

[clayj41]

Yeah we knew they were going back. It explained how. But there are much bigger things comming.

For sure, but that doesn't make it filler.

[il bacio dolce]

For sure, but that doesn't make it filler.

If by filler you mean... best episode so far in the show... then yeah, it's filler. :rolleyes :lol

[dowling25]

And to be completely honest this episode was pissing me off most of the time. I was thinking that this was the worst episode of the season. I mean obviously they will show how Sayid, Hurley, and Kate decided to get on the plane. But watching this episode was just frustrating not knowing why Kate was acting so weird and seemed pissed off which in turn pissed me off. She just doesn't want to talk to anyone or Jack it seems she like hates him.

Then it just seemed anti-climactic for them to get back to the island that way.

Then I realized that this episode is fuggin amazing. Especially the end of it. Changed my mind!

Next weeks episode is going to be AMAZING!

[tarheel997]

ben gave aaron the stone cold stunner


we were all thinking it, i just said it

[hbktonyb]

Love the white tennis shoes reference!

[water_into_wine]

Love the white tennis shoes reference!

I couldn't figure out what that was to...

[hbktonyb]

I couldn't figure out what that was to...

Anytime we see Christian, he is always wearing a suit w/ white tennis shoes...

[hbktonyb]

So it looks like they had to recreate the original crash as much as possible. Locke is Christian. Sayid is Kate (arrested). A marshall was escorting Sayid. Etc...

Is it possible that Kate had to get rid of Aaron and get pregnant herself, ala Claire? maybe Jack is the father...

[JorgeCavos]

Jack: How can you read?

Ben: My mother taught me.

:lol :lol :lol

Hmm. Funny since his mom died about a minute after giving birth to him.

EDIT: Whoops, like the 7th person to point out he lied :lol

Next week looks AWESOME!

[Talula62]

That's because it wasn't, not tonight.

If by filler you mean... best episode so far in the show... then yeah, it's filler. :rolleyes :lol

That's enough you two! ;) No one is bagging on the show itself and who cares what the best episode is? What matters is answering all those questions Cassie listed. And why Kate was being such a bitch.

And if Widmore was behind the new Sayid and/or Sayid and Hurley getting on the plane. And/or Kate...

It's him, I went back and freeze framedNice. We can always count on you, D.

[41ravens]

that episode was great. did not see it being jin in the van at the end. very cool twist.

[dowling25]

So it looks like they had to recreate the original crash as much as possible. Locke is Christian. Sayid is Kate (arrested). A marshall was escorting Sayid. Etc...

Is it possible that Kate had to get rid of Aaron and get pregnant herself, ala Claire? maybe Jack is the father...

O shit dude. That sounds like a really good theory. Maybe that is why Kate is so pissed. Not only does she lose Aaron but now she has to sleep with Jack to get pregnant. I thought she loved Jack though! I really hope they get back together.

[water_into_wine]

So it looks like they had to recreate the original crash as much as possible. Locke is Christian. Sayid is Kate (arrested). A marshall was escorting Sayid. Etc...

Is it possible that Kate had to get rid of Aaron and get pregnant herself, ala Claire? maybe Jack is the father...

I joked about that with my friends...but really it isn't that far off, and I can see it happening.

[water_into_wine]

Jack: How can you read?

Ben: My mother taught me.

:lol :lol :lol

Also when Jack asks Eloise if Ben is telling the truth:

"Probably not."

[dowling25]

Once again I will say this: What happened to Rose and Bernard!!!!!

[water_into_wine]

Just to sum up my theories (that I am actually fairly convinced of):

1. Ben killed Penny and then Des came in and the two got into fight resulting in the injuries Ben had. Ben knocked out Desmond and maybe knowing that he too needs to get back to the Island decides not to kill him. This explains why the Island "is not done" with Desmond yet, and adds further proof that you cannot change destiny because Desmond was always going to the Island. If he had gone willing Penny would have never died. Desmond goes on a vendetta to kill Ben, thus returning to the Island (Maybe with his son Charlie?) and will do so in the series finale.

2. Kate gave Aaron to Claire's mother and maybe even got knocked up herself by Jack to be Claire (After something must have obviously happened to her though. A Claire appearance perhaps?).

3. The time period they "crashed" in is the time of Dharma and Jin along with the rest of the Losties have disguised/joined themselves as Dharma. This is also the time where Daniel bumps in Marvin Candle at the beginning of this season and where he warns Charlotte (Though if he knew it wouldn't work then why would he?)

[WaltzingBack]

Just to sum up my theories (that I am actually fairly convinced of):

1. Ben killed Penny and then Des came in and the two got into fight resulting in the injuries Ben had. Ben knocked out Desmond and maybe knowing that he too needs to get back to the Island decides not to kill him. This explains why the Island "is not done" with Desmond yet, and adds further proof that you cannot change destiny because Desmond was always going to the Island. If he had gone willing Penny would have never died. Desmond goes on a vendetta to kill Ben, thus returning to the Island (Maybe with his son Charlie?) and will do so in the series finale.

2. Kate gave Aaron to Claire's mother and maybe even got knocked up herself by Jack to be Claire (After something must have obviously happened to her though. A Claire appearance perhaps?).

3. The time period they "crashed" in is the time of Dharma and Jin along with the rest of the Losties have disguised/joined themselves as Dharma. This is also the time where Daniel bumps in Marvin Candle at the beginning of this season and where he warns Charlotte (Though if he knew it wouldn't work then why would he?)

those are all awesome theories :thumbsup

tonight's episode was awesome. i can hardly wait for next week where they'll (hopefully) explain locke's death

[water_into_wine]

those are all awesome theories :thumbsup

tonight's episode was awesome. i can hardly wait for next week where they'll (hopefully) explain locke's death

Thanks!

I think they will definitely explain all of Locke (Remember it was filmed before this episode), but after this episode I am very curious about what happened to Hurley, Sayid, and Kate. I'm becoming more and more convinced it has something to do with Widmore because just as he was starting to retreat from this show some bit I think he needs to come back in a big way.

Not to mention, who has more pull to set up Sayid to go to Guam?

[WaltzingBack]

Thanks!

I think they will definitely explain all of Locke (Remember it was filmed before this episode), but after this episode I am very curious about what happened to Hurley, Sayid, and Kate. I'm becoming more and more convinced it has something to do with Widmore because just as he was starting to retreat from this show some bit I think he needs to come back in a big way.

Not to mention, who has more pull to set up Sayid to go to Guam?

same. and i wanna know who's that woman sayid is with. i'm also really curious about claire and jack's dad. they still have so much to explain.

one thing i'm hoping is that locke will continue appearing even though he's dead (or i guess he could be alive, who knows with this show?). it seems like he's replacing jack's dad so locke might be jacob's new little buddy like christian is.

also worth noting: new character (mediterranean guy from the plane to guam). i hope this doesn't turn into another nikki and paolo fiasco. that was awful

[water_into_wine]

same. and i wanna know who's that woman sayid is with. i'm also really curious about claire and jack's dad. they still have so much to explain.

one thing i'm hoping is that locke will continue appearing even though he's dead (or i guess he could be alive, who knows with this show?). it seems like he's replacing jack's dad so locke might be jacob's new little buddy like christian is.

also worth noting: new character (mediterranean guy from the plane to guam). i hope this doesn't turn into another nikki and paolo fiasco. that was awful


Agree with that. I think after Ben's Bible story it seems pretty obvious that Locke will be resurrected as Jacob's "buddy" and Jack will see him and need to be "convinced" in the cabin. May not be for awhile, but eventually I think we will see some random Locke sights or another empty coffin ala Christian.

Locke is Jesus (Metaphorically). Especially after the image of him preparing to hang himself with arms out and someone (likely Ben) kneeling in front of him. Also Locke's note (which was kinda funny in its asshole-ness) seems to me that Jack not believing Locke is his "sin" and Locke must sacrifice himself to allow Jack to repent by coming back to the island where Locke will "forgive him" somehow when he is convinced.

By the way, how many people turned their heads upside down to see what Ben was reading (Ulysses)? :lol

I know I did.


Such a damn good show. Better win an Emmy this year.

[JorgeCavos]

Narnia references anyone?
Charlotte Staples Lewis
The Lamp-Post station = The Lamp Post that the kids see when they get to Narnia

[JorgeCavos]

Oh yeah. I just got sad all of a sudden because I realized there are only 28 episodes until the entire saga of Lost is complete. Crazy to comprehend.

[clayj41]

Oh yeah. I just got sad all of a sudden because I realized there are only 28 episodes until the entire saga of Lost is complete. Crazy to comprehend.

Shush! We shall not speak of such things!

[boarderx5423]

Looks like we're probably right: When Locke fixed the FDW, they jumped one more time, back to the Dharma Initiative. This would explain why Jin is dressed in Dharma gear with the new van, why Faraday was in the Orchid when it was being constructed, and how he could tell Charlotte Staples Lewis, to quote Clive Staples Lewis, "This place is death."

Again, Desmond returns to the island the same way he got there in the first place. His boat will crash in a storm.

As for how Sayid, Kate, and Hurley all got to the plane, I'm sure they'll explain that at a later point...

[boarderx5423]

Narnia references anyone?
Charlotte Staples Lewis
The Lamp-Post station = The Lamp Post that the kids see when they get to Narnia

316...the dedication page to Prince Caspian in the complete book.
Charlotte stating 'This place is death'

[JorgeCavos]

Ok I just rewatched it. Ben 100% went after Penny.

As he left the church, he told Jack, "I made a promise to a old friend of mine. Just a loose end that needs tying up."

To reappear bloodied at the marina means some serious shit went down.

[rick8285]

Ok I just rewatched it. Ben 100% went after Penny.

As he left the church, he told Jack, "I made a promise to a old friend of mine. Just a loose end that needs tying up."

To reappear bloodied at the marina means some serious shit went down.
that will be way too sad if it's true... you think they'd really do that to her?

[junior94]

Is it just nitpicking to point out that it's a little odd that these Ajira people, who obviously work in the airline business, apparently don't notice that every single member of the infamous "Oceanic 6" have just boarded the same flight? Theirs?

[RJP2741]

that will be way too sad if it's true... you think they'd really do that to her?

I think they would because they have to keep Desmond involved in the story. They obviously don't want to let Des fade into the background because he's such a popular character, so killing Penny makes sense. It's the only way they could get Des to come back to the island, because otherwise he's never leaving Penny's (and little Charlie's) side.

[GinaNMU]

Is it just nitpicking to point out that it's a little odd that these Ajira people, who obviously work in the airline business, apparently don't notice that every single member of the infamous "Oceanic 6" have just boarded the same flight? Theirs?

I think maybe that's why they waited until last minute to get on the plane, were all seperated for the most part, and why Hurley bought out like, all of first class? So that they can sort of hide out away from all the other coach passengers? I don't really know, just throwing out ideas.

[Bartndrpleez]

Is it just nitpicking to point out that it's a little odd that these Ajira people, who obviously work in the airline business, apparently don't notice that every single member of the infamous "Oceanic 6" have just boarded the same flight? Theirs?

You also have to remember its 3 years later. They were probably in the spotlight for a few days and people may have recognized them for awhile, but like everything else in the media, their 15 minutes ended soon after. I doubt those people would know who they were so much later. Just my take.

[water_into_wine]

that will be way too sad if it's true... you think they'd really do that to her?

I think he would and this will cause Desmond to go back, which even though is sad is also seriously badass.

[water_into_wine]

Is it just nitpicking to point out that it's a little odd that these Ajira people, who obviously work in the airline business, apparently don't notice that every single member of the infamous "Oceanic 6" have just boarded the same flight? Theirs?

Hahaha I was joking about that while watching that. Frank's face when he sees all of them was priceless. I LOVE that they brought Frank back in that way.

[junior94]

You also have to remember its 3 years later. They were probably in the spotlight for a few days and people may have recognized them for awhile, but like everything else in the media, their 15 minutes ended soon after. I doubt those people would know who they were so much later. Just my take.

Yea, I'd thought about the fact that it was 3 years later. I mean, they seemed to be international "stars" upon their return, but maybe you're right about the 15 minutes in the media take.

Though I also thought it was a little odd that nobody was asking exactly how they got back to the island. It's like, okay we all get on this same flight that's passing over the island's point of existence, but what happens then? The plane crashes just like 815? Or somehow we just magically vanish from inside of it to be down on the island in the next moment? It seems to be some variant on the latter (though obviously by the sound and visual effects, in ties into another time shift). I'm assuming the guy who gave Jack his condolences in the airport will also end up on the island (not just because they took the time to show that, but that guy's also been a very busy character actor the last several years, so it's obviously he'll play a part), and surely they'll explain why that guy ends up on the island, but perhaps why all the people back in coach class don't (the group that Jack asks Ben about).