LOST (the tv show)

[zigbaldi]

A couple of thoughts:

1. Did anyone else notice that all of the people that were on Ben's list at the end of Season 2, just happen to be the ones who went back in time to the 1970's......Sawyer, Kate, Jack and Hurley. This might give more proof to the theory that Ben knew everyone before their plane crashed.

2. I thought it was awesome that they mentioned Widmore and Ellie and they seem to be in charge, but it is weird how Richard doesn't answer to them. I wonder who and what Richard really is and why he makes his own rules.

3. I couldn't remember if someone already mentioned it from a couple episodes ago or not, but i thought how they used the runway that Sawyer and Kate helped the others build in Season 3 to land the plane now in the present was really cool. I always wondered why they were building a runway back then. Maybe ben knew he'd be leaving and coming back and wanted to make sure he had a safe return :lol

[il bacio dolce]

I never thought about the list, but that's a good pick up :thumbsup I think you're right.

[il bacio dolce]

The season finale sounds pretty killer, we are in for a treat.

[proppenator]

A couple of thoughts:

1. Did anyone else notice that all of the people that were on Ben's list at the end of Season 2, just happen to be the ones who went back in time to the 1970's......Sawyer, Kate, Jack and Hurley. This might give more proof to the theory that Ben knew everyone before their plane crashed.

2. I thought it was awesome that they mentioned Widmore and Ellie and they seem to be in charge, but it is weird how Richard doesn't answer to them. I wonder who and what Richard really is and why he makes his own rules.

3. I couldn't remember if someone already mentioned it from a couple episodes ago or not, but i thought how they used the runway that Sawyer and Kate helped the others build in Season 3 to land the plane now in the present was really cool. I always wondered why they were building a runway back then. Maybe ben knew he'd be leaving and coming back and wanted to make sure he had a safe return :lol

That's a good thought....I don't know that it confirms Ben remembers all of them, as he could have seen them in one of those recruitment class pictures hanging on the walls. But it definitely explains why he picked those four people to be on the list.

[il bacio dolce]

I need to get out more.

How does Ben know to put those names on a list anyway, in other words, how does he know they will be significant? If Ben's memory of getting shot by Sayid is erased... Either there is more interaction between little Ben and the Losties in 1977, and that's how Ben knows who they are in 2005... Or else Ben has no clue exactly what purpose these people crashed on the island for, he just knows the island wanted it to happen. Everything Ben does has a purpose, but I don't think he totally understands why it must be done. He was the one who insisted Locke's body had to go back with the other O5, yet he seems totally surprised and even scared when he wakes up in the infirmary to see Locke alive in front of him. He also seemed surprised to see Sayid on the plane, and has nothing to do with Hurley's decision to go back, and that makes me think there's someone else working behind the scenes, but more quietly. They hinted int he last episode that Widmore and Ellie were maybe allies at some point, may still be in present day (the time they go back). I've also been thinking about how it seems Ben, as a rule, doesn't kill people unless it's self defense, and he is kind of like the puppet master, manipulating other people in to doing things. But I don't think Ben's running the show, I think he's being manipulated by someone more powerful than him: Jacob? Jacob's using Ben as a conduit because Jacob can't directly intervene in anything.

Jacob is "god" so to speak, he is always present and all knowing but has to basically let people have free will. Whatever happened to Ben when he was taken by Richard changed him... He is to Jacob what Jesus is to God, to use an easy to understand example, because that's the best way I know how to explain it. No offense, it's fiction after all. :lol Anyway Ben knows things because he has a connection to Jacob/god. He does everything he does because it's the will of Jacob/god.

So, I was wondering what the hell it mattered whether Sayid shot Ben or not if Ben would forget. I had assumed that it was getting shot by Sayid that led him to hate Sayid and the others. If he forgets it ever happened, what purpose does it serve? Jack was never supposed to help save Ben, because if he'd fixed him, Juliet would have never taken Ben to the Others.

Everything that happened had to happen exactly as it did. Sayid had to be separated from the group and found in the jungle in handcuffs, treated like a hostile and locked in a cell. He was supposed to refuse Sawyer's help and finally be taken to Oldham. He had to be drugged in order to realize his purpose was to shoot Ben. He had to run in to Jin, knock him out and take his gun and shoot him in the heart. Jin had to be right there to discover Ben and take him for help before he bled to death (though I'm not sure that would have happened, the island wouldn't let it). If Jack had not refused to help, Juliet wouldn't have failed and been left with no choice but to take Ben to the Others.

It's not as simple as Richard healing Ben and releasing him with no memory of being shot. He says Ben loses his innocence. I think that's because he's given over to Jacob's control at that point. That is how Ben comes to be who he is.

I think it was important that this happened to Ben in his childhood. I remember back in season two, they came for specific people from the tail section and the children from the tail section were taken. We've all noticed that the people on the island seem to see or realize things when they are in altered states of consciousness, asleep, drugged, etc. Children are more open-minded, like you hear all the time stories where children can see ghosts, they're more attuned to the supernatural. When we're adults, we're so fixed in our beliefs we only see what we want to see. That's why the characters are so often put in altered states to see or learn things.

It's also possible that Ben really WAS dead, I mean Sayid did shoot him through the heart. The island makes Jin and everyone else who takes care of Ben see what it wants them to see. Would they take him to the Others if they thought he was dead dead? I think he really was dead dead, until Jacob/the island brought him back to life.

One more thing I never noticed til now is that Christian Shephard's body was on 815. John Locke's body was on 316. If Locke really came back to life on the island, can we assume that so did Christian, and that he was not in fact a figment of Jack's mind?

[il bacio dolce]

I'm going back to Tale of Two Cities and rewatching from there. The first time I watched the series, up til this season, I watched kind of idly, didn't think too much or notice details. I'm sharpening my skills for the rest of the show. :lol

[junior94]

EDIT:
where's junior94???



Word. You know he's working on the most epic of all posts. :lol


haha.. Well I do appreciate the thought of anticipation, but actually no, my dear Alli, not quite as long winded as plenty of ones in the past ;)

In a way I felt a bit conflicted about this episode. I pretty much groaned at Richard's statement of "He'll never remember any of this". :rolleyes
ARE YOU KIDDING ME?? How INCREDIBLY convenient. That's gotta be one of the worst plot points of the entire series. Plus, what exactly does it mean? He won't remember just the experience of getting shot and people trying to save him? Or even more, he won't remember anything about being on the island up til that moment altogether?

Well, even if it's just restricted to the gunshot experience, that sure as hell throws one popular theory out the window. That when Juliet is talking to the island shrink in season 3 and says "Of course Ben likes you, you look just like her"... once Ben was shot it seemed everyone jumped on the wagon of Juliet is the woman tries to save him, that means a lot to young Ben, and so he connects with her later on life when she "first arrives" on the island, there's a great reason she looks like that girl -- she IS that girl. But, that's impossible now, he'll apparently have no memory of Juliet trying to fix him up. So we still don't yet know exactly what that season 3 statement meant.

And I'm not going to bother for now getting into the whole argument of the time travel rules, except to say, and I'm not sure if Cassie was the first to bring this up, a couple eps ago when Sun and Frank made it back onto the 2007 island and saw New Otherton, it certainly didn't look like the little community we knew from 2004. By then they'd long wiped away any trace of the Dharma Initiative, yet here in 2007 Sun was still seeing some signage, if quite messy. Now I know they keep trying to tell us that they're not actually changing anything in the 70's, but that look of things among the Others' barracks in 2007 raises a curious thought...


EDIT: and once again, "cleaned up" Kate looked HAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWT as FUCK. :D

[jguinan101]

On lostpedia they have the gunshot wound changing sides as a blooper/continuity error, not really sure if that means anything or not. Also I was just thinking wasn't there supposed to be a new Dharma Initiative. Maybe we're seeing the ruins of a second attempt at DI. We really know nothing of what occurred on the island between '04 and '07, right?

[il bacio dolce]

On lostpedia they have the gunshot wound changing sides as a blooper/continuity error, not really sure if that means anything or not. Also I was just thinking wasn't there supposed to be a new Dharma Initiative. Maybe we're seeing the ruins of a second attempt at DI. We really know nothing of what occurred on the island between '04 and '07, right?

A continuity error?! They just forgot what side the heart is on?!

[il bacio dolce]

I never try to claim I'm the first one to theorize or bring something up.

[junior94]

One more thing I forgot. Those of you who are fans of the current theory that 2004-2007 Ben orchestrated everything with Sayid for the primary purpose to make sure he'd be sent back in time to shoot the 1977 Ben, I might be able to punch a whole in that for ya. Ask yourself this question:

How could Ben have known to what date that time shift would send them? All those many shifts we've seen since the beginning episodes, they seemed awfully random to me, off into the past, off into the future. And it just so happens the time shift that occurs while the Ajira flight is in its path sends Sayid (& the rest of the gang) back to just a couple of days before kiddie Ben is due to take a bullet?

[Talula62]

EDIT: and once again, "cleaned up" Kate looked HAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWT as FUCK. :D
Seeeeeeriously. I said to myself, "Holy shit, she has literally never looked so good."

[junior94]

Seeeeeeriously. I said to myself, "Holy shit, she has literally never looked so good."

Me the meat in an Alli & Evie sandwich :hump:hump:hump

:sploooooooge:

:evil

[ant_marching41]

The season finale sounds pretty killer, we are in for a treat.
How many eps until the finale?

[dowling25]

I bet this has been said, but Farraday is Widmore's son I think. Not that strange but it is interesting nonetheless

[il bacio dolce]

How many eps until the finale?

Three or four? Am I right, anyone?

Dead is dead, some like it hoth (working title), variable... at least three.

[il bacio dolce]

I bet this has been said, but Farraday is Widmore's son I think. Not that strange but it is interesting nonetheless

Uh. Eloise/Widmore love child? :lol

So then Farraday is Penny's brother, Desmon'd brother in law. Desmond has a connection to the island, even more so through these people who also have strong connections to the island. It reinforces that the island is his fate.

Hey, what do you guys think about baby Charlie Hume, will we see him again? I have a feeling we see all the Lostie offspring again, at various stages of their lives, and all playing a big role in season six. Who's with me?

[joepsu0985]

Three or four? Am I right, anyone?

Dead is dead, some like it hoth (working title), variable... at least three.

4 eps 1 recap.

Two new eps the next two weeks followed by the recap. "LOST: The Story of the Oceanic 6," then two new eps, and the two hour finale, which is going to go down as possibly the best two hours of TV history.

[il bacio dolce]

For real. Until the next season finale. :lol

[joepsu0985]

For real. Until the next season finale. :lol

I mean think about it. There is no other TV show that has basically put on a now 4 and half season movie. The plot is ridiculous, the little things the writers put in for the fans is unreal. The best part about it, is that the last 5 or 6 episodes of each season are always ridiculous. We are at that point. The Season 3 ending was insane when Jack and Kate were off the island. I taped it that night because I was working. It was nearly 2 am when I watched it. I went nuts at the end. Absolutely nuts.

[il bacio dolce]

I'm definitely of the camp that believe there are no plot holes, continuity errors, or meaningless details, just for the record.

Two things from He's Our You that I haven't heard anyone else mention (except in Karen's Lost Notes)

1. Roger Linus tells Kate "The son of a bitch doesn't ask questions he don't already know the answers to." Will we find out how Roger knows this? It's telling, considering LaFleur is head of security yet asks NO questions of Sayid.

2. Sayid's purple shirt is more than just a bad decision by the wardrobe dept. There is meaning in putting him in purple/violet (cause let's face it, that's not his color, he looks best in earth tones)

Purple is the color of good judgment. It is the color of people seeking spiritual fulfillment. It is said if you surround yourself with purple you will have peace of mind. Purple is a good color to use in meditation.

Purple has been used to symbolize magic and mystery, as well as royalty
Violet is the color of purpose. Violet is associated with the Crown chakra (This links individual and universal).

Violet is a combination of blue and red. Red is a focusing, dynamic and active energy while blue is cooling, calming and expansive. Violet brings a new dynamic to the expansion of blue and the activity of red. Red brings practicality to the undirected expansiveness of the blue, and allows more creative energy to emerge. For this reason, violet is associated with imagination and inspiration.

[il bacio dolce]

I mean think about it. There is no other TV show that has basically put on a now 4 and half season movie. The plot is ridiculous, the little things the writers put in for the fans is unreal. The best part about it, is that the last 5 or 6 episodes of each season are always ridiculous. We are at that point. The Season 3 ending was insane when Jack and Kate were off the island. I taped it that night because I was working. It was nearly 2 am when I watched it. I went nuts at the end. Absolutely nuts.

I just bought season 3, and I had remembered it to be rather slow for the most part. I forgot how killer the season 3 finale was!

"WE HAVE TO GO BACK!!!!!" I still get chills!

[joepsu0985]

I'm definitely of the camp that believe there are no plot holes, continuity errors, or meaningless details, just for the record.

Two things from He's Our You that I haven't heard anyone else mention (except in Karen's Lost Notes)

1. Roger Linus tells Kate "The son of a bitch doesn't ask questions he don't already know the answers to." Will we find out how Roger knows this? It's telling, considering LaFleur is head of security yet asks NO questions of Sayid.

2. Sayid's purple shirt is more than just a bad decision by the wardrobe dept. There is meaning in putting him in purple/violet (cause let's face it, that's not his color, he looks best in earth tones)

Purple is the color of good judgment. It is the color of people seeking spiritual fulfillment. It is said if you surround yourself with purple you will have peace of mind. Purple is a good color to use in meditation.

Purple has been used to symbolize magic and mystery, as well as royalty
Violet is the color of purpose. Violet is associated with the Crown chakra (This links individual and universal).

Violet is a combination of blue and red. Red is a focusing, dynamic and active energy while blue is cooling, calming and expansive. Violet brings a new dynamic to the expansion of blue and the activity of red. Red brings practicality to the undirected expansiveness of the blue, and allows more creative energy to emerge. For this reason, violet is associated with imagination and inspiration.

That is pretty deep. If the writers are doing this now, we are never figuring this show out.

[il bacio dolce]

Attention to detail. A character who literally always wore white, grey, beige, green and black is suddenly in PURPLE. Maybe it's just me. And Karen.

[il bacio dolce]

I'm wrong. There are continuity errors, lots of them, but then there are just "too weird to be nothing" things.

[dh4645]

Seeeeeeriously. I said to myself, "Holy shit, she has literally never looked so good."

When she asked the dude in the grocery store where the juice boxes were and then started to walk away.
I said to my wife…"what is wrong with that guy? He's not checking her a$$ out as she walks away."

http://i.iimmgg.com/images/gr/a94e2e4a8c7f6282415b8649358c5778.jpg

http://i.iimmgg.com/images/gr/c5796b2e07c444d065271840a66b4f4b.jpg

the little girl in the second pic is even checking her out. i think kate has her already thinking of lesbianism. :)

[RJP2741]

^^ Links aren't working.

[dh4645]

^^ Links aren't working.

i dont get it, they are working for me.
here are the screencaps.

[RJP2741]

Good stuff, Evangeline Lily is awesome.

[il bacio dolce]

Second page. I killed it with my color purple blather. :lol

[boarderx5423]

Second page. I killed it with my color purple blather. :lol

Yeah, I'm not going to read into his shirt color. I don't think things like that are very important.

Now if Jack goes running through the forest again and sees a purple shirt hanging from a tree, then that article of clothing may have significance...

[il bacio dolce]

It probably isn't important, just an idea.

[joepsu0985]

It probably isn't important, just an idea.

For some reason I watched the past episode twice and still wouldn't have put thoughts into what the characters are wearing. I mean it makes sense and Sayiid may have something big for him down the line. I mean we are talking time traveling back, but really being present. I guess the shirt theory is as good as that.

[dh4645]

HAPPY LOST DAY


:bounce:bounce:multi:bounce:bounce

[Bartndrpleez]

EPIC doesn't even begin to describe how I think tonight's episode will be. SO. PUMPED.



HAPPY LOST DAY!!!!!!!!!!!!


:multi:bounce:multi:bounce:multi

EDIT: Damn, you beat me by mere seconds! :lol

[RJP2741]

LOST DAY!!!!!!!! :hump

And I agree, tonight's episode should be AWESOME

[RhodyDMBFan]

Ben episodes = brilliant.

[JorgeCavos]

Just rewatched The Man Behind the Curtain (Ben-centric from Season 3), great episode. I recommend it if anyone wants a little refresher before tonight's episode.

[junior94]

Just rewatched The Man Behind the Curtain (Ben-centric from Season 3), great episode. I recommend it if anyone wants a little refresher before tonight's episode.

Ha! I actually just watched that episode less than a week ago :p

I'm especially excited for tonight mostly because from the previews it looks as though my favorite island mystery overall (Smokezilla) will be significantly featured.

[ant_marching41]

Just rewatched The Man Behind the Curtain (Ben-centric from Season 3), great episode. I recommend it if anyone wants a little refresher before tonight's episode.

Ha! I actually just watched that episode less than a week ago :p

I'm especially excited for tonight mostly because from the previews it looks as though my favorite island mystery overall (Smokezilla) will be significantly featured.
I just got hard...

I haven't seen any previews for this weeks episode, so I had no idea what was going to be featured.

[junior94]

I just got hard...

I haven't seen any previews for this weeks episode, so I had no idea what was going to be featured.

Well if you're curious....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iu7hz3EpiQw

Though be warned -- for some reason the audio is WAY out of sync with the video.

[JorgeCavos]

I've watched that preview probably 5 times over the past week and it still gives me the same WTF feeling. Tonight's gonna be huge

[vikes989]

Whats the title of tonight's episode?

You can spoiler it if need be

[water_into_wine]

"Dead is Dead"


Happy Lost Day!!!!

:multi :multi

[ant_marching41]

Well if you're curious....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iu7hz3EpiQw

Though be warned -- for some reason the audio is WAY out of sync with the video.
Fantastic.

[il bacio dolce]

I am SO excited! My favorite characters this season have been Ben and Locke... that last scene gave me goosebumps. No doubt more of those with tonight's episode. I pay more attention to spoilers than I should, and I don't know exactly what happens, I just know it is one of a few possible things. I'm buzzing already. I'm predicting a major bombshell, I can feel it.

[RJP2741]

I am SO excited! My favorite characters this season have been Ben and Locke... that last scene gave me goosebumps. No doubt more of those with tonight's episode. I pay more attention to spoilers than I should, and I don't know exactly what happens, I just know it is one of a few possible things. I'm buzzing already. I'm predicting a major bombshell, I can feel it.

I hope you're right!! I'm feeling more excited than usual for tonight's episode, I hope it lives up to the hype in my head. :multi:multi

[ant_marching41]

I am SO excited! My favorite characters this season have been Ben and Locke... that last scene gave me goosebumps. No doubt more of those with tonight's episode. I pay more attention to spoilers than I should, and I don't know exactly what happens, I just know it is one of a few possible things. I'm buzzing already. I'm predicting a major bombshell, I can feel it.
My top three of the season:
1) Sawyer
2) Ben
3) Locke

I'm thinking bombsell as well! :multi

[il bacio dolce]

:bounce

[il bacio dolce]

My top three of the season:
1) Sawyer
2) Ben
3) Locke

I'm thinking bombsell as well! :multi

But I like "LaFleur" more than I ever liked Sawyer. The transition seemed sudden but smooth at the same time, totally natural to me, and I LOVE him now. Jack was never my #1 favorite but he might not even be in my top ten anymore. :lol

[water_into_wine]

Wooooo!!!! Lost is on!

[clayj41]

Wow, this is going to be amazing.

[water_into_wine]

Wow...this already has me loving it.

[greyst1crash]

:lol "I assume you're talking about the fact that I killed you."


Edit: Oh snap! 'Consider that my apology' God I love this show.

[luke7]

Waited way too long for Ben and Locke.

[water_into_wine]

:lol "I assume you're talking about the fact that I killed you."

I laughed at that too.

I love when Ben talks so straightforward like that.

What's up with Caesar and his excessive use of "my friend".

Edit: Holy shit! Guess nto any longer...though I love how Locke called him out on that.

[davedmb41]

haha oh geez ben.

[davedmb41]

Oh shhhhnap.

[water_into_wine]

Looks like Locke is becoming increasingly more "in control" of leading the island.

[water_into_wine]

This episode is da bomb!!!

[clayj41]

"It's not a train John. It doesn't run on a schedule."

:lol

[zepfan1234]

Ben is really becoming Locke's bitch huh?
It appears that way, but Ben is so manipulative, I doubt it.

[fscrush41]

"It's not a train John. It doesn't run on a schedule."

:lol

i lol'd as well

[davedmb41]

Ben is really becoming Locke's bitch huh?
It appears that way, but Ben is so manipulative, I doubt it.

Yeah, I'm waiting for Ben to turn the tables again.

[zepfan1234]

He's gonna kill Penny!

[greyst1crash]

Ohhhhh here we go!

[redsox14]

new to this thread, this show blows my mind....

[redsox14]

No WAY! Penny!!!

[Talula62]

Who did Ben tell Locke and Sun to "tell him I'm sorry" to? I missed that part.

[zepfan1234]

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooo

[Dramageek]

Wow!!!!

All I can say to that is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-QNB4wMH3PU

[greyst1crash]

Man they love screwing with us....I swear to God....

[davedmb41]

wow. desmond kicked bens assssssssss

[clayj41]

Great scene. Desmond = Ass-kicker.

[clayj41]

Who did Ben tell Locke and Sun to "tell him I'm sorry" to? I missed that part.

Desmond.

[zepfan1234]

My cable went out after desmond was shot, and just came back? He's alive?
EDIT we'll i'd assume he's alive based on Ben's comment to sun.

[fscrush41]

wow. desmond kicked bens assssssssss

:thumbsup:thumbsup:thumbsup:thumbsup

[davedmb41]

Yes he's alive and kicked the shit out of ben. Ben was going to shoot Penny but then saw their son come out of the boat and he choked.

[fscrush41]

here we go....

[davedmb41]

oh wow. what is this.

[davedmb41]

It reminds me of The Scrooge Christmas Story haha

[fscrush41]

oh shit. bitch told him whats what

[greyst1crash]

What in the name of the dear lord...........Hahahahahaha

[davedmb41]

Nice to see the guy who can talk to dead people show his purpose next week! haha

[RJP2741]

Awesome

[luke7]

LOST is a great show but the special effects are so cheap.

[ant_marching41]

What the.... F!?

[dowling25]

Great Great episode! That was awesome. So Ben was already planning on killing Locke!

[clayj41]

That was great! I don't know if we'll ever get a straight answer about the origins of Smokezilla though.

[water_into_wine]

I'm not sure if I loved it or am indifferent about it...

I actually love how next week is shaking up. My bet is Farraday is in the body bag.

[water_into_wine]

That was great! I don't know if we'll ever get a straight answer about the origins of Smokezilla though.

Yeah, which would disappoint me. I loved seeing a lot of the island's mythology tonight and I hope when more comes out about Jacob that we begin to get it more clearly explained.

Looks like more people got "infected". That should be interesting.

[dowling25]

That was great! I don't know if we'll ever get a straight answer about the origins of Smokezilla though.


Yeah we will for sure I would tend to think. another thing...what the fuck was up with the chick saying what lies in the shadow of the statue or wahtever she says....my friend was saying that kinda sounds like a Dharma Initiative thing you know like when Desmond said "what does one snowman say to the other"....

[water_into_wine]

Yeah we will for sure I would tend to think. another thing...what the fuck was up with the chick saying what lies in the shadow of the statue or wahtever she says....my friend was saying that kinda sounds like a Dharma Initiative thing you know like when Desmond said "what does one snowman say to the other"....

I think she got "infected".

[dowling25]

I think she got "infected".


O that is a good idea...but the only way we know how people get infected is if they fall down into that whole that Locke and Ben went down. My friend was thinking that it could be the Dharma Initiative coming back to recolonize the island...that is a little stretch I think.

[DMBZeppelin]

I really liked that episode. I'm pumped that they lead us to believe Penny is still alive. It was just great seeing Desmond go crazy on him like that.

[water_into_wine]

O that is a good idea...but the only way we know how people get infected is if they fall down into that whole that Locke and Ben went down. My friend was thinking that it could be the Dharma Initiative coming back to recolonize the island...that is a little stretch I think.

I think it is conceivable to think that maybe the monster appeared before them. I'm not sure if it has anything to do with the temple.

Though I'm guessing the answer to her question is "The Temple".

Also think this "infection" might be the first step towards a kind of brainwashing or the island making them "native"...if that makes sense...

[water_into_wine]

I really liked that episode. I'm pumped that they lead us to believe Penny is still alive. It was just great seeing Desmond go crazy on him like that.

Agree.

By the way you need to change your user title. Can't be true anymore :lol

Brewer fan here.

[dowling25]

I think it is conceivable to think that maybe the monster appeared before them. I'm not sure if it has anything to do with the temple.

Though I'm guessing the answer to her question is "The Temple".

Also think this "infection" might be the first step towards a kind of brainwashing or the island making them "native"...if that makes sense...


Ooo that is another good idea, but why would they need more natives...however it is strange that we haven't seen the natives since they have come back.

[junior94]

In that first flashback where Widmore meets a freshly healed young Ben, geez, could they have gotten an actor that looked anything LESS like Alan Dale? :lol I mean I knew that would be Widmore from the moment he was on screen, but it's like they didn't even try with that casting.

Although I feel like that conversation possibly answered a question I had, that would Ben's "memory wipe" cover just the shooting, or everything about his island experience to that point. It appears only the former, because he still remembered that he didn't want "to go back", so he obviously remembers living with Dharma for awhile.

And tonight our first real allusion to who Penny's possible mother is, yes? I don't recall that ever being brought up before. Ben saying to him "You had a child with an outsider".

Ben lies so often, I wonder if he was really telling the truth to Sun when he said that the fact that Locke was alive and walking around scared the shit out of him, considering even the island apparently can't do "that".

[water_into_wine]

Ooo that is another good idea, but why would they need more natives...however it is strange that we haven't seen the natives since they have come back.

I think kind of like when Oceanic 815 first landed on the island and they took the "good" people who then integrated into their society.

[DMBZeppelin]

Agree.

By the way you need to change your user title. Can't be true anymore :lol

Brewer fan here.
Done :D ;)

[dowling25]

Still even if Ben doesn't remember like Jack, Kate, Sawyer, etc. Then he should remember them when goes back to the DI once he heals and everything. Unless I guess they are already gone or something happens to them. We know that he goes back because he eventually kills them all.

[il bacio dolce]

Lost episodes really ought to be two hours long. They go so fast, the better they are, goddamn commercials... Michael Emerson was amazing tonight. Terry as well. The character line up was very limited, and the others were very subdued so Ben was highlighted as much as possible here. I now see him in a whole different light. He's such a complex character, I've given up on trying to put a label on him. Who even knows? Each time I think I have it figured out..... I'm just happy to be along for the ride at this point.

[JorgeCavos]

I feel like the origin of Smokey is Season 6 material. I think we're gonna start learning more about Jacob by the end of this season, just a hunch. Tonight's episode was fucking crazy, and next week looks like its going to put the show into hyperdrive leading up to the finale (5 episodes left?!)

[water_into_wine]

I feel like the origin of Smokey is Season 6 material. I think we're gonna start learning more about Jacob by the end of this season, just a hunch. Tonight's episode was fucking crazy, and next week looks like its going to put the show into hyperdrive leading up to the finale (5 episodes left?!)

Agree with everything in this post.

:thumbsup

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xkYtWXqSfI

[il bacio dolce]

Seems Miles has a deeper connection than what we'd anticipated, stay tuned.

[dowling25]

I'm thinking Miles will not survive next episode. The preview said that every one has a destiny and purpose. I am pretty sure then once you complete your purpose you supposedly die. So Miles will complete his purpose and then die next episode when that dude steps out in front of the bus and shoots him.

[Moose Thompson]

I think kind of like when Oceanic 815 first landed on the island and they took the "good" people who then integrated into their society.

Just jumping into the thread...


The only problem I see with your "infection" idea is the giant box of guns they brought with them on the plane. I'm thinking it's Darma.

[clayj41]

Still even if Ben doesn't remember like Jack, Kate, Sawyer, etc. Then he should remember them when goes back to the DI once he heals and everything. Unless I guess they are already gone or something happens to them. We know that he goes back because he eventually kills them all.

Yeah, I was wondering about that. We know he goes back to Dharma. I was hoping that in between the flashback where we saw Ben take Alex and the scene where he was pushing her on the swing, we would see a pre-Purge Dharma scene.

[ant_marching41]

I for one am really glad that Ben killed Caeser.


Goodbye, friend.

[dowling25]

I for one am really glad that Ben killed Caeser.


Goodbye, friend.

That was awesome!

[water_into_wine]

Just jumping into the thread...


The only problem I see with your "infection" idea is the giant box of guns they brought with them on the plane. I'm thinking it's Darma.

I thought they "found" the guns.

[water_into_wine]

I for one am really glad that Ben killed Caeser.


Goodbye, friend.

I know it was perfect. Right as I got annoyed with him they killed him off. None of this Charlotte bullshit.

[dowling25]

I thought they "found" the guns.


Yeah they did find the guns. They were trying to open that large case. I think that might be another clue that they are DI coming back to the island by asking that question and now trying to open such a large case! I guess they could also be hostiles too coming to the island. Hmmmm

[water_into_wine]

Yeah they did find the guns. They were trying to open that large case. I think that might be another clue that they are DI coming back to the island by asking that question and now trying to open such a large case! I guess they could also be hostiles too coming to the island. Hmmmm

I really don't see that...I mean maybe Whidmore got some people on the plane quick, but I really doubt it is Dharma if anything. I'm pretty sure in 2007 that chapter is closed. I'm going to stick to my "infected" theory, but I'm not going to shoot yours down either :)

[dowling25]

I really don't see that...I mean maybe Whidmore got some people on the plane quick, but I really doubt it is Dharma if anything. I'm pretty sure in 2007 that chapter is closed. I'm going to stick to my "infected" theory, but I'm not going to shoot yours down either :)


Ha ha yeah thanks. I just think that there is more reason for DI because of what that woman said to Lepidus about the statue, and then that is kind of like what Desmond said to Locke down in the hatch. They are just very similar coded phrases.

[junior94]

I for one am really glad that Ben killed Caeser.


Goodbye, friend.

I have to think that even with him dead, there's got to be at least a little more to Caeser's story. I mean when you look at the totality of everything he did, it doesn't seem like there was much point of having him at all, if that's truly it.

And a thing about tonight brings back for me an issue I started to have during season 2, that despite all of the seemingly bad and horrible things the Others did, their proclamation that they're "the good guys". I mean we see right there that apparently everyone except Ben had absolutely no qualms about murdering a just-given-birth Danielle (including apparently Richard, who I've thought more or less always seemed a "nice guy", despite the obvious huge mystery). Plus I mean, the kidnapping of people in the middle of the night, like the Tailies' first week of existence on the island. Sure, you as the kidnappers might ultimately have an altruistic purpose to you doing that, but you HAVE TO realize that to the kidnappee, such an action would be seen as violent and hostile.

[DMBZeppelin]

I for one am really glad that Ben killed Caeser.


Goodbye, friend.
:lol:lol:lol

[zepfan1234]

Ha ha yeah thanks. I just think that there is more reason for DI because of what that woman said to Lepidus about the statue, and then that is kind of like what Desmond said to Locke down in the hatch. They are just very similar coded phrases.
:thumbsup My first thought.

[water_into_wine]

I have to think that even with him dead, there's got to be at least a little more to Caeser's story. I mean when you look at the totality of everything he did, it doesn't seem like there was much point of having him at all, if that's truly it.

And a thing about tonight brings back for me an issue I started to have during season 2, that despite all of the seemingly bad and horrible things the Others did, their proclamation that they're "the good guys". I mean we see right there that apparently everyone except Ben had absolutely no qualms about murdering a just-given-birth Danielle (including apparently Richard, who I've thought more or less always seemed a "nice guy", despite the obvious huge mystery). Plus I mean, the kidnapping of people in the middle of the night, like the Tailies' first week of existence on the island. Sure, you as the kidnappers might ultimately have an altruistic purpose to you doing that, but you HAVE TO realize that to the kidnappee, such an action would be seen as violent and hostile.

I think they might be so brainwashed by what the island that they think whatever it wants to do is "good".

[hbktonyb]

Yeah we will for sure I would tend to think. another thing...what the fuck was up with the chick saying what lies in the shadow of the statue or wahtever she says....my friend was saying that kinda sounds like a Dharma Initiative thing you know like when Desmond said "what does one snowman say to the other"....

Yeah, I think it is some kind of code...maybe those people are Whidmore's people and they were trying to find out if he was also with them by seeing if the question was answered correctly

[dowling25]

Yeah I could see those being Widmore's people too. Also I know this hasn't been said but I wonder what Locke's ideas are on how to go back to 1977.

[JorgeCavos]

I don't know if he intends on going back to the seventies, or rather him bringing the rest of them back to them. Or maybe meeting at a mutual time period different from both 77 and 07. Maybe they'll all get blasted to the future and see old versions of themselves or their kids!

[GinaNMU]

Lost episodes really ought to be two hours long. They go so fast, the better they are, goddamn commercials... Michael Emerson was amazing tonight. Terry as well. The character line up was very limited, and the others were very subdued so Ben was highlighted as much as possible here. I now see him in a whole different light. He's such a complex character, I've given up on trying to put a label on him. Who even knows? Each time I think I have it figured out..... I'm just happy to be along for the ride at this point.

Didn't last night FLY!?!? I looked at the clock thinking like 20 minutes went by, and it was 9:48pm. WTF??

TOTALLY loved last night's episode. Really the only questions I have are

1. Why the HELL didn't Desmond continue to beat the shit out of Ben? Did he just push him off the dock so that they can get on the boat and get the F away as fast as possible?

and 2. Where did Locke go when he went walking in the woods?

And yes Cassie to speak to what you're saying, Emerson is amazing. Between him and Locke this episode, that was really ridiculously good acting.

[Joruus]

That was great! I don't know if we'll ever get a straight answer about the origins of Smokezilla though.

A friend and I were discussing Smokey this morning.

During the episode, you're shown a stone plaque of Smokey in front of Anubis, one of the Egyptian Gods of the Dead.

From wikipedia's entry about Anubis:

The critical weighing of the heart scene in Book of the Dead also show Anubis performing the measurement that determined the worthiness of the deceased to enter the realm of the dead (the underworld).

My friend suggested that Anubis uses Smokey as a scale to judge the worthiness of a person's heart. It certainly judged Ben last night and found him worthy to live (with some stipulations).

It may not be the origin of Smokey, but it's an idea of where he came from.

[dowling25]

Didn't last night FLY!?!? I looked at the clock thinking like 20 minutes went by, and it was 9:48pm. WTF??

TOTALLY loved last night's episode. Really the only questions I have are

1. Why the HELL didn't Desmond continue to beat the shit out of Ben? Did he just push him off the dock so that they can get on the boat and get the F away as fast as possible?

and 2. Where did Locke go when he went walking in the woods?

And yes Cassie to speak to what you're saying, Emerson is amazing. Between him and Locke this episode, that was really ridiculously good acting.

Yeah I was wondering that too, part of me thinks that he went to Christian/Jacob's cabin to find out what to do.

A friend and I were discussing Smokey this morning.

During the episode, you're shown a stone plaque of Smokey in front of Anubis, one of the Egyptian Gods of the Dead.

From wikipedia's entry about Anubis:



My friend suggested that Anubis uses Smokey as a scale to judge the worthiness of a person's heart. It certainly judged Ben last night and found him worthy to live (with some stipulations).

It may not be the origin of Smokey, but it's an idea of where he came from.

Yeah I did see that Egyptian symbol too and that makes sense that Ben was judged by the smoke monster, I would think that is sort of the origin of the smoke monster though.

[water_into_wine]

I also think Smokey/The Temple may be the answer to the girl's question "What lies in the shadow of the statue" as well. I think it would make sense if the Anubis is the statue.

[GohanDX]

john locke = smokey?

[junior94]

The weekly blog entry of episode analysis from the Mod of my Pearl Jam forum...

http://www.jeff-fischer.net/?p=1745

[dh4645]

In that first flashback where Widmore meets a freshly healed young Ben, geez, could they have gotten an actor that looked anything LESS like Alan Dale? :lol I mean I knew that would be Widmore from the moment he was on screen, but it's like they didn't even try with that casting.


And tonight our first real allusion to who Penny's possible mother is, yes? I don't recall that ever being brought up before. Ben saying to him "You had a child with an outsider".



yeah i said the same thing to the wife about the new widmore....looked nothing like the "military" widmore.
i knew it was supposed to be him before he even said his name......but...come on now cast people

and yes, the outsider? was ellie considered an outsider (popular theory on the mom)? i thought she was part of their group, so maybe it someone esle

[dh4645]

was desmond actually shot, or did the bullet just hit the groceries he was holding? i don't remember seeing a gunshot hole or blood on him. well, if it did hit him, it must not have done too much damage, because desmond pounded the crap out of ben.


and whats the deal with ben telling rousseau to run away if she ever hears whispers? i havent heard the whispers in a while. hopefully that'll be cleared up sometime.

[dh4645]

The weekly blog entry of episode analysis from the Mod of my Pearl Jam forum...

http://www.jeff-fischer.net/?p=1745

The hole Ben unplugs to tell Smokey he’ll be outside has become known as “Smokey’s Toilet” on the various Lost sites. Just thought you should know.

hah funny

[UNLTrpt]

Smokey's toilet :lol

[dowling25]

was desmond actually shot, or did the bullet just hit the groceries he was holding? i don't remember seeing a gunshot hole or blood on him. well, if it did hit him, it must not have done too much damage, because desmond pounded the crap out of ben.


and whats the deal with ben telling rousseau to run away if she ever hears whispers? i havent heard the whispers in a while. hopefully that'll be cleared up sometime.

I think Des was shot but just not hit where he would die...his adrenaline was pumping that is why he could kick the shit out of him!

[il bacio dolce]

Lost episodes really ought to be two hours long. They go so fast, the better they are, goddamn commercials... Michael Emerson was amazing tonight. Terry as well. The character line up was very limited, and the others were very subdued so Ben was highlighted as much as possible here. I now see him in a whole different light. He's such a complex character, I've given up on trying to put a label on him. Who even knows? Each time I think I have it figured out..... I'm just happy to be along for the ride at this point.

So initial reaction there... 24 hour later reaction: We're gonna need to watch that again!




Edit: recognize the line? anyone? man of science/faith?

[UNLTrpt]

I think Des was shot but just not hit where he would die...his adrenaline was pumping that is why he could kick the shit out of him!

Or was he wearing a bullet proof vest? Tipped off that Ben was coming?

[il bacio dolce]

Ben is away from the beach for a while... then goes back and talks to Cesar and convinces him that Locke is dangerous.... My question is, Cesar and Ilana are all buddy-buddy, even assuming leadership of the new castaways together. Why doesn't Ilana remember what Sayid told her about Ben? I know she isn't afraid what he'll think, because Cesar saw HUrley vanish... I figured all along Ilana would remember that, but then she never showed that she felt threatened by Sayid, maybe she didn't take him seriously.

[jguinan101]

The hole Ben unplugs to tell Smokey he’ll be outside has become known as “Smokey’s Toilet” on the various Lost sites. Just thought you should know.

hah funny

So is smokey's toilet the same thing Ben did when he summoned smokey to take out keamy and all the other mercenaries? Cause if it is it worked a lot better that time. What a great freakin episode though. I really can't wait to get some answers about what the others/hostiles, Richard Alpert, and all the whispers and everything are about.

I really think Dharma came back to the island some time around 05 or 06. I mean didn't they do a whole recruitment for the new Dharma at one of the Comic Conventions or whatever? Was that just for fun or was it actually relevant to the show? Oh yea can some one remind me what one snowman said to the other, I forgot.

[UNLTrpt]

SOh yea can some one remind me what one snowman said to the other, I forgot.

"Smells like carrots"

[junior94]

and yes, the outsider? was ellie considered an outsider (popular theory on the mom)? i thought she was part of their group, so maybe it someone esle

Actually, no I wasn't trying to make an implication towards Ellie as being Penny's mother. In fact I'm currently in the camp who believes that Ellie AKA Eloise Hawking AKA Daniel Faraday's mother is Charles Widmore's sister, not former lover/wife. I'm not sure that Penny's mother is anyone we've met or really even have had referenced to us yet (& may not wind up really even being that significant, but who knows).


and whats the deal with ben telling rousseau to run away if she ever hears whispers? i havent heard the whispers in a while. hopefully that'll be cleared up sometime.

Well but you have to remember to put that moment in context. We've heard the whispers back since early in season 1, and that confrontation was still in pretty much the beginnings of Danielle's time on the island, I'm sure it was a relatively usual experience for her. And, while I can't recall specifics at the moment, I'm sure it was not all that long ago at all that we had a direct reminder of the whispers in some way.

Right now I believe they're (at least partially) some of the island's deceased inhabitants talking amongst each other, because, as I think I've said before, if you find around online some of the transcripts of what's being said, it's clearly multiple people talking to each other, but commenting on events that are happening right at that moment to the living people in the area on the island.

So is smokey's toilet the same thing Ben did when he summoned smokey to take out keamy and all the other mercenaries?

I'm just about certain it is. The only difference is, that previous time in the season 4 episode, we only saw Ben up until the time when he opened up the main stone wall directly behind his suit closet. This time we got to follow him traveling down the whole tunnel.

[kimberdmb41]

Well, all the stuff happening now set aside, I'm still wondering where the Claire connection will come in, and when. She left so mysteriously, and is obviously the reason Kate came back. We have no reason to believe she is dead, and if I remember correctly, she was in the temple with "jacob" last time we saw her.....

Thoughts?

And is there anyone else who thinks that Penny and Desmond's Charlie is the Charlie that we knew and loved? Still trying to warp my mind around time frames and whatnot to see if that one is possible...

[junior94]

Well, all the stuff happening now set aside, I'm still wondering where the Claire connection will come in, and when. She left so mysteriously, and is obviously the reason Kate came back. We have no reason to believe she is dead, and if I remember correctly, she was in the temple with "jacob" last time we saw her.....

Thoughts?

Well, for one Darlton was already perfectly clear that while we wouldn't see Claire at all during season 5 (technically anyway, not outside of that birthing scene from Sawyer's perspective), she would definitely be back on the show for next year. I personally have full faith in them on paying off Desmond's vision. There's no way they ran that thread for like what might've been a full third of season 3 if they weren't going to follow thru, that is, the whole set up of Charlie's ultimate death tied in to Desmond "seeing Claire and the baby getting on a helicopter flying away from the island" (or whatever he exactly said).

I mean ALL the time they spent ramping that up, if they just leave that hanging, they deserve all the criticism they'll surely get.


And is there anyone else who thinks that Penny and Desmond's Charlie is the Charlie that we knew and loved? Still trying to warp my mind around time frames and whatnot to see if that one is possible...

errr... wow. Okay, I think this is a new one. :D No, I think Des & Penny's son is nothing more than a kid lovingly named after the fellow who selflessly saved Des's life. Not some time warp version of actually being Charlie.

[kimberdmb41]

Well, for one Darlton was already perfectly clear that while we wouldn't see Claire at all during season 5 (technically anyway, not outside of that birthing scene from Sawyer's perspective), she would definitely be back on the show for next year. I personally have full faith in them on paying off Desmond's vision. There's no way they ran that thread for like what might've been a full third of season 3 if they weren't going to follow thru, that is, the whole set up of Charlie's ultimate death tied in to Desmond "seeing Claire and the baby getting on a helicopter flying away from the island" (or whatever he exactly said).

I mean ALL the time they spent ramping that up, if they just leave that hanging, they deserve all the criticism they'll surely get.



errr... wow. Okay, I think this is a new one. :D No, I think Des & Penny's son is nothing more than a kid lovingly named after the fellow who selflessly saved Des's life. Not some time warp version of actually being Charlie.As for the bolded, I did not realize that has been "stated", so thanks.

As for Charlie, I suppose you are probably right, but in the grand scheme of things, can you blame a gal for wondering?? ;)

[junior94]

As for the bolded, I did not realize that has been "stated", so thanks.

As for Charlie, I suppose you are probably right, but in the grand scheme of things, can you blame a gal for wondering?? ;)

Oh hey sure, no worries. Hope you didn't take any of my post in the wrong tone or anything :)

[zachyd]

so ummm.... that smoke monster scene at the end with Ben and shit was probably the most amazing thing ive ever seen on this show..

[zachyd]

errr... wow. Okay, I think this is a new one. :D No, I think Des & Penny's son is nothing more than a kid lovingly named after the fellow who selflessly saved Des's life. Not some time warp version of actually being Charlie.

or maybe she named it after her dad, Whidmore....


NOT :lol

[joepsu0985]

so ummm.... that smoke monster scene at the end with Ben and shit was probably the most amazing thing ive ever seen on this show..

It was a great scene, but I still think it was a cop out on what exactly smokey is. I mean we already guessed that it judged people when it killed Eko. We know what it does, but we don't know how or why. Seeing Alex back was awesome. :hump

[junior94]

It was a great scene, but I still think it was a cop out on what exactly smokey is. I mean we already guessed that it judged people when it killed Eko. We know what it does, but we don't know how or why. Seeing Alex back was awesome. :hump

meh, I was okay with it. Yes we already pretty much knew there was a judgment factor to it, but for one it's like they took that to the next level, plus Darlton long ago said the kind of "rule" for the series has been & will be that we learn at least one thing new every time we see the monster, and I'd say we certainly got a good bit more of information than that previous time with Rousseau and Jin and her team in 1988. We not only saw literally the starting point for its exit, but those heiroglyphics of Anubis summoning it seemed telling.

Actually really my only thing with the scene was I kinda though the CGI was a bit lacking, I didn't think it was bad per se, but I sort of expected better looking than that. Looked about two steps away from something out of a Sci-Fi Channel original movie.

And man I know a lot of guys are all about Alex, I wish I could get on board. Mind you I think she's attractive, I don't know she just doesn't really do it much for me, so I'm not quite hot for her as much as a lot of others seem to be. Plus it's weird, I can still so clearly remember her showing up as a guest star in one of the first couple seasons of "Malcolm In The Middle" as I think a girl at school that Malcolm liked, and so friggin young of course back then :p

[water_into_wine]

meh, I was okay with it. Yes we already pretty much knew there was a judgment factor to it, but for one it's like they took that to the next level, plus Darlton long ago said the kind of "rule" for the series has been & will be that we learn at least one thing new every time we see the monster, and I'd say we certainly got a good bit more of information than that previous time with Rousseau and Jin and her team in 1988. We not only saw literally the starting point for its exit, but those heiroglyphics of Anubis summoning it seemed telling.

Actually really my only thing with the scene was I kinda though the CGI was a bit lacking, I didn't think it was bad per se, but I sort of expected better looking than that. Looked about two steps away from something out of a Sci-Fi Channel original movie.

And man I know a lot of guys are all about Alex, I wish I could get on board. Mind you I think she's attractive, I don't know she just doesn't really do it much for me, so I'm not quite hot for her as much as a lot of others seem to be. Plus it's weird, I can still so clearly remember her showing up as a guest star in one of the first couple seasons of "Malcolm In The Middle" as I think a girl at school that Malcolm liked, and so friggin young of course back then :p

Completely agree there. I don't find her that attractive though I will say that was probably the best she has ever looked on the show.

[il bacio dolce]

My favorite thing about the episode was that photo of Ben and Alex and the fantastic dialogue that follows between Ben and Locke. Ben looks happy and Alex is stunningly beautiful in the picture, and Ben's saying it was "just something sentimental" opened up a whole new side of his character, that is not cold and inhuman after all. And I just LOVED Locke: "Do you want to talk about the elephant in the room?" Ben: "You mean the fact that I killed you." :lol Brilliant. The two of them were very underrated characters for quite some time and this season, and this episode in particular, has done a complete 180 turn - and my guilty pleasure is that Jack has been knocked down several pegs from where he once was.

[il bacio dolce]

:lol The new Charlie/old Charlie theory is impossible even by Lost standards.

[il bacio dolce]

so ummm.... that smoke monster scene at the end with Ben and shit was probably the most amazing thing ive ever seen on this show..

Many people have watched from the time the pilot aired, I've been watching for a year and a half (I caught up very quickly), either way we all have become really attached to the people on this show.. yet I can count on one hand the number of scenes that actually made me cry - and I'm an emotional person - but that scene there, moved me to tears.

There hasn't been a series I've loved as much, though I've had several all time favorites I own on dvd. Nothing comes close to affecting me like this show can.

Do I sound a little nutty? :o

[dowling25]

Hey does anyone know where I can get every episode from this season? My parents just got caught up and are wondering where they can watch the episodes online.

[il bacio dolce]

Forget family game night - family Lost night! :)

I don't know, bittorrent sites.

[dowling25]

Forget family game night - family Lost night! :)

I don't know, bittorrent sites.


Yeah seriously! My brother and I got them hooked over Christmas break, and now we are home for Easter and my mom that was the first thing she said to me...We just watched the finale! I loved it!

Ha ha it was classic.

[junior94]

Hey does anyone know where I can get every episode from this season? My parents just got caught up and are wondering where they can watch the episodes online.

Where I pretty much get all my TV from torrents:

http://eztv.it/index.php

Go into that drop down menu you see next to the Search button, it's got an alphabetical listing of every single show the site offers (which is A LOT). Pick out Lost and it should list out the still active torrents of every single one of the season (might even still have ones from s4). And LOST is one of the shows that offers both 480p HD rips (pretty much the standard of all show rips, the typica network hour drama is 350mb) and 720p HD rips.

[water_into_wine]

I thought they were all on ABC.com.

[joepsu0985]

Completely agree there. I don't find her that attractive though I will say that was probably the best she has ever looked on the show.

I dunno man. She is hot in real life as well. Im tired of kate. She can die for all I care. The still living LOST girls annoy me.

[water_into_wine]

I dunno man. She is hot in real life as well. Im tired of kate. She can die for all I care. The still living LOST girls annoy me.

Dude...c'mon you don't think Kate looked fine as hell in the business suit she borrowed from Sun? I mean I'm sorry she was fucking sexy there.

[il bacio dolce]

I thought they were all on ABC.com.

They have been removing all but the most recently four or five. Lame.

[JorgeCavos]

Season 1-4 were all there last I checked, but only the last few of Season 5 were up, the first 8 or so were gone :(

[angg]

Hey does anyone know where I can get every episode from this season? My parents just got caught up and are wondering where they can watch the episodes online.



hulu.com

[il bacio dolce]

HUlu!

[JorgeCavos]

Hulu only has episodes 8-11 of this season. And they direct you to abc.com

Great work Lost thread, you've done it again :lol

[il bacio dolce]

Hulu only has episodes 8-11 of this season. And they direct you to abc.com

Great work Lost thread, you've done it again :lol

:lol Referring to the episode or the online episode stuff?

[joepsu0985]

Dude...c'mon you don't think Kate looked fine as hell in the business suit she borrowed from Sun? I mean I'm sorry she was fucking sexy there.

Kate has gone bitch for sure. There hasn't been an episode where I didnt want to punch her.

[il bacio dolce]

I can't remember a time I liked Kate. Hm, maybe the season one Kate/Sawyer kiss. That's all.

[water_into_wine]

Kate has gone bitch for sure. There hasn't been an episode where I didnt want to punch her.

A sexy bitch.

[dowling25]

I can't remember a time I liked Kate. Hm, maybe the season one Kate/Sawyer kiss. That's all.

I miss the old Kate, I wish her and Jack would get to together.

[junior94]

So for those who hadn't heard, the fan voting is done and the secret final scene code word for the season 5 finale is set -- "Fork In The Outlet" :evil

Which, I highly recommend to keep updated on the audio podcasts that Damon & Carlton do, I really can't say enough about them, they're always great listens. They've got such a great chemistry together, and it always cracks me up when they're answering fan questions, and whoever is talking will often phrase stuff in a way as if they've not already seen the next 6 episodes :D

And the host Chris White's voice continues to annoy the hell outta me, there's something about it I hate, the dude bothers me so much :p

[junior94]

Soooooo how frikkin cool would it be.... if once the entire series is over, someone went back and redid all 6 seasons in chronological order? :evil

[dh4645]

Soooooo how frikkin cool would it be.... if once the entire series is over, someone went back and redid all 6 seasons in chronological order? :evil

yeah, i've thought about this before.

and then it makes me think if momento and pulp fiction

i'm sure they'll put out the series in chrono order or some crazy fan will put each scene in order and put it on bit torrent

[danodo18]

Soooooo how frikkin cool would it be.... if once the entire series is over, someone went back and redid all 6 seasons in chronological order? :evil

yeah i've always thought the same thing. that would be awesome..and probably make things a lot clearer

[junior94]

yeah, i've thought about this before.

and then it makes me think if momento and pulp fiction

i'm sure they'll put out the series in chrono order or some crazy fan will put each scene in order and put it on bit torrent

Well, and the interesting question to ask right now is.... have we yet viewed the scene that would be placed at the very beginning of a chronological edit... ? ;)

Dare I say we have not.

Which, I think it's a moderately safe guess that so far the scene taking place as far as possible back in time was that moment when Sawyer/Miles/Juliet/Jin looked up and noticed they were looking at the back of a fully erect 4-toed statue (& I guess technically that moment was taking place concurrently with Locke finally actually turning the wheel).

[il bacio dolce]

I miss the old Kate, I wish her and Jack would get to together.

Yup. There was a very short lived (briefly seen) time when they are happy, post island, pre booze/pills/secret late night phone calls. :rolleyes

My fave couple is still Sayid and Shannon. If Maggie Grace added nothing else to the show, she complimented her guy very well. :lol

[il bacio dolce]

Jr, mentioned the annoying podcast host's voice, and I thought of The Odi podcast, how the guy there can sometimes ramble and get a bit monotone. And then there's Karen, but anyway...

I like the idea of a "remix" too and I'm sure there is an obsessive enough Lost fan out there to do just what you're talking about!

Going back to couples on Lost, nobody ever talks about it, but Kate and Sayid spend a lot of time together. Someone made a little tribute video for them, and it's really funny. It's missing the little thing where he kisses her hand before going off on his own ("Solitary")

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oaJr6gisfvI

[RJP2741]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DcM5uYC9g2g

Secrets of Lost from Jimmy Kimmel Live. There's 7 of them I think, they're all great.

[il bacio dolce]

My buddy thought that video was stupid! I guess it's a chick thing!

[JorgeCavos]

Wow, it's Lost day already?!

MSG kept me preoccupied so Lost wasn't on the brain yesterday, and how does it get even better? New episode tonight!!!

The powers that be said that this episode is the last lighter, funnier kinda episode before shit starts getting crazy leading up to the finale.

I mean this week- Miles episode, then clip show, then Faraday episode, then another single hour, then the next week the 2-hour finale. This season has come and gone so fast. Thank god it's not over yet :lol

[junior94]

Wow, it's Lost day already?!

MSG kept me preoccupied so Lost wasn't on the brain yesterday, and how does it get even better? New episode tonight!!!

The powers that be said that this episode is the last lighter, funnier kinda episode before shit starts getting crazy leading up to the finale.

I mean this week- Miles episode, then clip show, then Faraday episode, then another single hour, then the next week the 2-hour finale. This season has come and gone so fast. Thank god it's not over yet :lol

Yep that's right, make sure to especially savor and enjoy tonight's show, we don't get "The Variable" until the 29th!

On a different, peculiar note... if anyone remembers me posting up a particular video or two from this kid Seanie B who's got a youtube channel on which he does these Lost "secrets and recap" video blog, basically.. ? He's pretty much become the #1 channel on youtube for stuff Lost related, he'd gotten over 10k subscribers, and just a couple weeks ago launched his own site that had all of his video recaps but in HD quality, and also a message board. Well apparently over the last several days there was this other big time blogger (print) making an accusation that Sean had been stealing A LOT of her stuff, like basically passing off her thoughts and observations, etc as his own. In fact there was even a video put up on YT titled like something "the truth! exposing Seanie B" and it did a side by side comparison, and I have to admit, there are stretches when what he's saying to the camera seemingly casual and off the cuff is almost verbatim off this girl's print blog.

Well I do'nt really know all the starter details, I sorta came into it lately, but his whole YT channel has since been completely shut down, there were a bunch of copyright claims (though not by Disney, for all the stills he used, I'm not sure who the guys' names where) and even on his own site all the HD videos (that I think were hosted thru Vimeo) are taken down. It's a weird scene.

Funny add on to this is I've actually communicated with him a couple times thru Facebook. He always says it's the best way to reach him, and "if you ever have any questions, or just wanna talk about the show, hit me up on facebook", and at first I acttually just had a YT-related question to do with having your own channel, and we ended up trading like 3-4 messages about stuff with the show.

[dh4645]

wow it is lost day already!
:multi:bounce:multi

[Bartndrpleez]

WOOOOOOOOOO! SO PUMPED!!!

Doc Jensen's weekly preview article. Always gets my mind juices flowing:

http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,1550612_20245769_20272495,00.html

[junior94]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=or_BGsW7Mgg

:cool

[water_into_wine]

NOOOOO!!!!!

I might miss Lost tonight.

[junior94]

I forget if this was already generally known or not... in 2 weeks "The Variable" is Faraday-centric, and "Follow The Leader" the next week is Richard-centric. Then of course the big 2 hour blowout.

[il bacio dolce]

I'm excited. Wait, what ep is this?

Working title was Some Like it Hoth? What is it actually? What's gonna happen? Usually I already know.

Dude I didn't read spoilers this week, I so proud of myself.

[davedmb41]

Very excited to see more about Miles.

[Number27]

Dr. Chang is Miles' father. :shock

[il bacio dolce]

That douche is my dad. Right on, Miles. :lol

[Number27]

The look Miles gave Dr. Chang when he told him that he liked country. :lol

[davedmb41]

haha Mile's look when his father said he likes country music. funny.

[il bacio dolce]

Surprisingly good episode. Suddenly I love Miles, after all this time thinking he's a douche.

[zepfan1234]

Ewok's do not suck.

[zepfan1234]

I love Faraday

[stank]

I was just thinking of getting on here about 15 minutes ago and ask someone what happened to Daniel Faraday. Where did we see him last?

[Number27]

FARADAY!!!!!!! Yes!

[il bacio dolce]

Wow. Outstanding.

[DMBZeppelin]

I'm glad we got a Miles episode. Added a lot of depth to him.

Also I'm very very happy that Farraday is back. Desmond and Farrady are my favorite characters.

[Number27]

Some like it Hoth, Star Wars reference. Clever Lost writers!

[clayj41]

Ewok's do not suck.

They totally do.


I'm confused by the whole Farrady thing. :confused

[junior94]

Some like it Hoth, Star Wars reference. Clever Lost writers!

This is of course a minor nitpick, but... while I appreciate and thought the whole Hurley/SW tie in was funny and everything, it doesn't really make sense. Just in that, if Hurley is truly as big a Star Wars fan as he seems to be, well he'd know that Lucas had pretty much the entire trilogy written before A New Hope was even made, so there really wouldn't be a point in trying to beat Lucas to the punch to writing the script for Empire in 1977.

Yea, yea... I know :rolleyes :p

[DMBZeppelin]

They totally do.


I'm confused by the whole Farrady thing. :confused
Where are you "LOST" at? He didn't spend the whole 3 years on the island. Sawyer even said "He's not here anymore."

He probably couldn't do what he needed on the island. Now he's back. Why he came back? I'm sure we'll find out soon. Maybe he figured out a way back to the present.

[Revolution36]

i liked this one a lot. very glad to see farady back, should be getting really good now, "the variable" title alone is pretty intriguing

[clayj41]

Where are you "LOST" at? He didn't spend the whole 3 years on the island. Sawyer even said "He's not here anymore."

I never remember that being said. That's where I got Lost. :lol

[DMBZeppelin]

I never remember that being said. That's where I got Lost. :lol
He said it to Jack when they first came back.

[JorgeCavos]

And it was safe to assume he was in the 70s if you saw the first scene of Season 5- Pierre Chang gets interrupted when filming an orientation film to rush down to the Orchid, where he bumps into a Dharma-jumpsuited Daniel Faraday. Major WTF at the time, now its making pretty good sense. But him coming back on the sub means that either him in the orchid happened in the past or in the future, since it seems like he took some time to go back to America to either work with the scientists in Ann Arbor or do some crazy time travel shit with Eloise?

Whatever. I love this show. Hurley writing Empire was the best thing i've ever seen.

[DoDaFoo]

I'd have to think that the scene with Faraday in the Orchid from the beginning of the season has not happened yet, because it featured baby Miles, who is only 3 months old and it seems that when Faraday gets off the sub, he has been gone for awhile.

[JorgeCavos]

Excellent point. Must not have happened yet. Probably leading up to the incident.

Also- what was the deal with that conversation with Bram an those guys in the van who kidnapped Miles? What were they trying to convince him to do? Cause that guy was one of the Ajira 316 crash survivors and was one of the ones with Ilana who took over and had guns.

[GinaNMU]

Great, lighter episode. Hurley and Miles are hilarious together.

I am SO ready for shit to hit the fan though...enough of this "I'm head of security, hoss" from Sawyer, enough of Jack erasing chalkboards and being brainwashed, done with Kate just hanging around... They have no business in the 70s :lol

Next episode (in 2 WEEKS! :lorraine) is going to really start the lead up for the chaos that will be the finale...

[JTRocks]

Great, lighter episode. Hurley and Miles are hilarious together.

I am SO ready for shit to hit the fan though...enough of this "I'm head of security, hoss" from Sawyer, enough of Jack erasing chalkboards and being brainwashed, done with Kate just hanging around... They have no business in the 70s :lol

Next episode (in 2 WEEKS! :lorraine) is going to really start the lead up for the chaos that will be the finale...

yeah what the hell is up with this two weeks bullshit? I thought the break they took a few weeks ago was the only one of the season?

[Bartndrpleez]

So who else thinks something HUGE is going to happen with Jack soon? I mean, the guy was like the center of the island castaways in seasons 1-3 and was the guy all about going back. Now he's a janitor cleaning fucking black boards? Uhhhh NO! I really think they're just making us care less and less about him and he's going to storm back into the picture with a fury soon.

[JorgeCavos]

I'm expecting Jack to be thrown back into high gear importance by the end of the finale. Season 6 is going to be a monster of its own kind

[jojo04]

So what is the whole, "what lies in the shadow of the statue business?"

[dowling25]

Excellent point. Must not have happened yet. Probably leading up to the incident.

Also- what was the deal with that conversation with Bram an those guys in the van who kidnapped Miles? What were they trying to convince him to do? Cause that guy was one of the Ajira 316 crash survivors and was one of the ones with Ilana who took over and had guns.


Yeah I am wondering what there whole purpose is. Maybe they are on Ben's side or something. I am excited to learn more about them hopefully before the end of the season.

[jmanheels]

So what is the whole, "what lies in the shadow of the statue business?"

I think that these guys are part of Dharma 2.0 who are coming to take back the Island. The man who questioned Miles in the van is also the same guy who asked that same question to Lapidus in "Dead is Dead."

this is also probably the beginning of the set up of the "war" that Widmore was talking about, possibly between the new Dharma and the Others/Losties.

[JorgeCavos]

My prediction for the end of this season is that once the time travel nonsense is done and Faraday helps sync them up with Locke in the present, something will happen to propel them all into the future even further, where Dharma 2.0 will be reinstated. Or I could just be crazy

[clayj41]

yeah what the hell is up with this two weeks bullshit? I thought the break they took a few weeks ago was the only one of the season?

It was. There's a new episode next week. It just so happens that they decided to show a preview for the next two episodes last night.

[junior94]

It was. There's a new episode next week. It just so happens that they decided to show a preview for the next two episodes last night.

Incorrect. Next week is just a clip show, not an original story. The next wholly new episode is "The Variable", that comes April 29th.

[clayj41]

Incorrect. Next week is just a clip show, not an original story. The next wholly new episode is "The Variable", that comes April 29th.

Really? Why the fuck would they even show something for next week then. Just start it off with "In two weeks..." Fuckin' gay. I'm done with this show.

[mullie15]

Next week looks pretty cool in my mind. I don't really know what it is all about, but I saw a statue so i'm excited to see the whole thing.

[tarheel997]

Next week looks pretty cool in my mind. I don't really know what it is all about, but I saw a statue so i'm excited to see the whole thing.

Its just going to be a recap basically, not worth it if you have any clue whats going on right now

[Number27]

I think that these guys are part of Dharma 2.0 who are coming to take back the Island. The man who questioned Miles in the van is also the same guy who asked that same question to Lapidus in "Dead is Dead."

this is also probably the beginning of the set up of the "war" that Widmore was talking about, possibly between the new Dharma and the Others/Losties.
Wow, I knew he looked familiar! Good eye there, buddy.

[Talula62]

Incorrect. Next week is just a clip show, not an original story. The next wholly new episode is "The Variable", that comes April 29th.
You big liar! You told me I wouldn't miss Lost when I was at DMB in Atlanta.

Okay, just kidding, you're not a liar, I'm sure I confused you. I will miss the next new ep, then, and to make matters more infuriating... I give a final exam in my night class the Wednesday after that (and grades are due before midnight that night, so no watching until Thursday for sure) and the 2-hour finale night I'll be in Connecticut! Shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit.

[junior94]

You big liar! You told me I wouldn't miss Lost when I was at DMB in Atlanta.

Okay, just kidding, you're not a liar, I'm sure I confused you. I will miss the next new ep, then, and to make matters more infuriating... I give a final exam in my night class the Wednesday after that (and grades are due before midnight that night, so no watching until Thursday for sure) and the 2-hour finale night I'll be in New York City! Shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit.

Baaaaahhh!! Yea the way you phrased it in the email, I thought the timing put you at the show this next coming Wednesday.

Well hey sister, yoooooooooooooooooou're the one who wanted this big shot hoity toity "teaching" career! pfffftt... :rolleyes :p
Should've thought of the clip show schedule BEFORE you took that drive to Augusta!

[Talula62]

Word, Kev. I never should have left Colorado! :lol

Okay, so... Michael Emerson is on Jimmy Fallon (BTW, Why in holy hell are The Roots Fallon's house band? This makes me want to seriously injure myself.) and I dunno if this is a rerun or what but Michael made it entrance looking all super-wicked-Ben-like for like 5 seconds. Pretty funny.

[JorgeCavos]

Word, Kev. I never should have left Colorado! :lol

Okay, so... Michael Emerson is on Jimmy Fallon (BTW, Why in holy hell are The Roots Fallon's house band? This makes me want to seriously injure myself.) and I dunno if this is a rerun or what but Michael made it entrance looking all super-wicked-Ben-like for like 5 seconds. Pretty funny.

What's your beef with Roots being on Jimmy Fallon? They're the only thing the show has going for it.

[clayj41]

I dunno if this is a rerun or what but Michael made it entrance looking all super-wicked-Ben-like for like 5 seconds. Pretty funny.

It was new, and it was one of the greatest interviews I've ever seen! :lol

[clayj41]

What's your beef with Roots being on Jimmy Fallon? They're the only thing the show has going for it.

I'm guessing that he thinks Jimmy Fallon doesn't deserve them, which I wholeheartedly agree with.

[junior94]

I'm guessing that he thinks Jimmy Fallon doesn't deserve them, which I wholeheartedly agree with.

Well first of all, Alli's a she, not a he. Although some of her ex's might be a bit contrary on that point.

heeeeeeeeeeeeyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyoooooooooooooooo!!!!! !!! :evil

being one of her ex's] :p

ANYhoo... and yea, she's not Fallon's biggest fan.

[clayj41]

Well first of all, Alli's a she, not a he. Although some of her ex's might be a bit contrary on that point.

heeeeeeeeeeeeyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyoooooooooooooooo!!!!! !!! :evil

being one of her ex's] :p

ANYhoo... and yea, she's not Fallon's biggest fan.

:lol


People should be required to give some indication of their gender in either their username or signature.

[JaJunk]

I'm still floored at how gorgeous Naomi is. Sweet baby Jesus.

[JTRocks]

yeah i totally forgot about her. I remember her from that show Las Vegas

[dh4645]

I think Ben and Bram are on the same team...possibly? I remember an older episode (not sure which one)....but Kate took Miles (behind Lockes back) to Ben, who was locked up...Ben made a comment about Miles helping him and he would pay 3.2M, at the time I thought it was code for something? So Bram and everyone in the van heard Miles say he wanted double what widmore was offering (3.2M), Ben knew about the 3.2M

edit:
season 4 ep 4
eggtown
http://lost.about.com/od/photosbyepisode/ig/Lost-4x4-Photos/3-2-Million.htm


the other reference to eggtown in this episode is the bearded dead dude, who says (while played in reverse) we hate you to kate.

[dh4645]

dang, edit time ran out. they need to extend that or get rid of it altogether.

anyway
http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Bearded_man

[batleon]

Wow, just checking in here on Ants for something and amazed to see this same thread still lives. I used to post in this thread way back when the show first started....

I think Ben and Bram are on the same team...possibly? I remember an older episode (not sure which one)....but Kate took Miles (behind Lockes back) to Ben, who was locked up...Ben made a comment about Miles helping him and he would pay 3.2M, at the time I thought it was code for something? So Bram and everyone in the van heard Miles say he wanted double what widmore was offering (3.2M), Ben knew about the 3.2M

If you watch Eggtown again you'll see Miles brings up the 3.2M first. Ben even asks him, "Why 3.2M? Why not some other number?" or something along those lines. I don't think Ben knew about it. I'm of the opinion Bram/Ilana are part of a new faction altogether.

[dh4645]

Wow, just checking in here on Ants for something and amazed to see this same thread still lives. I used to post in this thread way back when the show first started....

If you watch Eggtown again you'll see Miles brings up the 3.2M first. Ben even asks him, "Why 3.2M? Why not some other number?" or something along those lines. I don't think Ben knew about it. I'm of the opinion Bram/Ilana are part of a new faction altogether.


oh ok, i couldnt totally remember...thanks.

[GinaNMU]

I'm just really excited to see Faraday b/c they now FINALLY have a good source that can help get them the F out of 1977...time needs to line up again stat. As much as I've enjoyed what they've showed us, I'm done with Jack erasing chalkboards and Sawyer being 'head of security.' Time to line things up again.

[GinaNMU]

Wow, just checking in here on Ants for something and amazed to see this same thread still lives. I used to post in this thread way back when the show first started....



If you watch Eggtown again you'll see Miles brings up the 3.2M first. Ben even asks him, "Why 3.2M? Why not some other number?" or something along those lines. I don't think Ben knew about it. I'm of the opinion Bram/Ilana are part of a new faction altogether.

Welcome back! :multi

[joepsu0985]

Wow, just checking in here on Ants for something and amazed to see this same thread still lives. I used to post in this thread way back when the show first started....



If you watch Eggtown again you'll see Miles brings up the 3.2M first. Ben even asks him, "Why 3.2M? Why not some other number?" or something along those lines. I don't think Ben knew about it. I'm of the opinion Bram/Ilana are part of a new faction altogether.

Yep. I mentioned this to my buddy the other day.

[Talula62]

It was new, and it was one of the greatest interviews I've ever seen! :lolWhen he read the story! :lol :lol: He's awesome and seems like so much fun. (Michael, not necessarily Jimmy.)

Although some of her ex's might be a bit contrary on that point.Who to the what now? :confused If you are implying I'm bisexual or something, then you need to dial down the imagination my little friend.

I'm guessing that she thinks Jimmy Fallon doesn't deserve them, which I wholeheartedly agree with.Fixed.

I was disturbed to see The Roots on Jimmy but not because I have a problem with The Roots. God, no. They can do whatever they want right now and I'll still love them and listen to them almost everyday but I just don't get the whole late night thing. It's like, okay, do you want more money, fine. More stability, fine. You want more mainstream attention? Mmmm... not so fine. You want to retire? Not cool! But I dunno what it means so therein lies my issue.

[Talula62]

See, I used to have my name in my sig but I always found that the boys at Ants tend to (tend to, not always) ignore the chicks unless the topic was about sex or boobs (or Alias because the Alias thread ruled all). I started to feel like people interacted with me more when I am assumed to be male, unless the topic is sexualized, which is often but I got bored of talking about sex on teh interwebs so I went into gender hiding. :lol

[junior94]

Who to the what now? :confused If you are implying I'm bisexual or something, then you need to dial down the imagination my little friend.

Oh lord, no.

Just that you have male parts.


pffftt.. silly :rolleyes

[Talula62]

Oh lord, no.

Just that you have male parts.

pffftt.. silly :rolleyes

Ohhhhhhh, well that makes more sense then. :lol

[junior94]

Ohhhhhhh, well that makes more sense then. :lol

Thatta girl! See, I knew it would all just be a silly misunderstanding :lol


Ohhhhhhhkay, for the record (& not as if I'm afraid someone might actually believe me from these posts :p) I can assure you ain't no dangling parts from miss Allison's crotch (well okay, except just maybe the dude's member that she tore off him in bed from the night before because she's just SO crazy good in the sack.... doh! see there I go again... :rolleyes:evil)
No no, trust me Alli's not only an uber-cutie redhead, hell she clears the "uber" category with room to spare for any kind of girl. :cool

[junior94]

Hey I've got an idea - how about I actually talk about the show! :p

Here's two curious Miles-related points to maybe chew over for the break. First of all, okay obviously we've now got the s4 answer of why Miles was mysteriously asking for such a specific dollar figure of $3.2M to help spring Ben to freedom. His logic being of course, you want it to be worth it for me to double-cross Widmore and help you? Pay me exactly double was he was going to.
But here's the thing... is it just me, or is $1.6M itself still a suspiciously specific amount? Why not simply $1.5M? So while we got the payoff for that s4 question, perhaps we were still given yet another smaller one on the side (gee, this show's never done that to us before, has it? :p)

Secondly, when Naomi is having Miles "audition" for her in the restaurant kitchen, she explains that the large number of deceased individuals residing on the island could help in finding the whereabouts of this particular person (Ben). Now, I'm assuming the group to which she was referring were the inhabitants in the mass Dharma grave, late of The Purge. But here's what I'm wondering: especially seeing as how Miles can't so much "speak" to the dead as he can just sort of read the memories imprinted in their brains prior to death, how exactly would a bunch of dead Dharma spirits be able to know exactly where Ben was hiding out on the island once the Freighter Folk arrived? So ultimately I don't really see what the benefit would be of having Miles ability in the context of helping Keamy find and capture Ben once on the island. Unless, I'm missing and/or misinterpreting something from that conversation...

[water_into_wine]

Hey I've got an idea - how about I actually talk about the show! :p

Here's two curious Miles-related points to maybe chew over for the break. First of all, okay obviously we've now got the s4 answer of why Miles was mysteriously asking for such a specific dollar figure of $3.2M to help spring Ben to freedom. His logic being of course, you want it to be worth it for me to double-cross Widmore and help you? Pay me exactly double was he was going to.
But here's the thing... is it just me, or is $1.6M itself still a suspiciously specific amount? Why not simply $1.5M? So while we got the payoff for that s4 question, perhaps we were still given yet another smaller one on the side (gee, this show's never done that to us before, has it? :p)

Secondly, when Naomi is having Miles "audition" for her in the restaurant kitchen, she explains that the large number of deceased individuals residing on the island could help in finding the whereabouts of this particular person (Ben). Now, I'm assuming the group to which she was referring were the inhabitants in the mass Dharma grave, late of The Purge. But here's what I'm wondering: especially seeing as how Miles can't so much "speak" to the dead as he can just sort of read the memories imprinted in their brains prior to death, how exactly would a bunch of dead Dharma spirits be able to know exactly where Ben was hiding out on the island once the Freighter Folk arrived? So ultimately I don't really see what the benefit would be of having Miles ability in the context of helping Keamy find and capture Ben once on the island. Unless, I'm missing and/or misinterpreting something from that conversation...

The people from the Purge could tell him where the barracks are and could have possible detailed knowledge of any places that Ben could potentially be hiding out. She could also know that there are other dead scattered around the island that could also give clues to where Ben might be.

[tankdan]

Just caught up on the last two weeks, awesome! This show is so much better when you get to watch the episodes consecutively, one episode never quite satiates my needs!

Like Gina, I am also bored of the status quo there in 1977, seems like Sawyer is content to try to keep up the facade, plus now Jack has become a nonfactor.

In addition to Farraday now being able to help the 1977 Losties get back to real life, maybe there is also some interaction with the 1977 Hatch? Maybe the "accident" that will happen is, in fact, the Losties being transported back to 2004/2007... thus resulting in the building of the computer and the codes and all that.

However, all this talk about the Hatch has got me wondering... Hurley assumed that there was/will be an accident and the computer/codes follow that, but what's to say that the computer wasn't always part of the plan? I hope we get to see more of the Hatch being built and learn its purpose.

Also, two episodes ago with the Smoke Monster and the hieroglyphics, that makes me realize that the Island has been inhabited for a LONG time (at least 1000 years, maybe even all the way back to the Egyptians), editing my perception that the Black Rock was one of the oldest things on the Island.

Also, why the connection between the hieroglyphics of the Smoke Monster temple and the hieroglyphics of the computer code system crash black out disaster thing?

Dan

[junior94]

In addition to Farraday now being able to help the 1977 Losties get back to real life, maybe there is also some interaction with the 1977 Hatch? Maybe the "accident" that will happen is, in fact, the Losties being transported back to 2004/2007... thus resulting in the building of the computer and the codes and all that.

However, all this talk about the Hatch has got me wondering... Hurley assumed that there was/will be an accident and the computer/codes follow that, but what's to say that the computer wasn't always part of the plan? I hope we get to see more of the Hatch being built and learn its purpose.

If the content of the orientation films is to be believed, no I don't think this is the case. Because Chang tells us in the film for The Swan, he's giving us the history of the DI and all that, I think its purpose they said was for studying specifically the electromagnetism, "when there was... the incident. And ever since then, the following protocol has been observed..." and then he goes into talking about the details of the button.

So no, that would seem to me at least, the computer's implementation was put in specifically after the fact due to "the incident".

[RhodyDMBFan]

If the content of the orientation films is to be believed, no I don't think this is the case. Because Chang tells us in the film for The Swan, he's giving us the history of the DI and all that, I think its purpose they said was for studying specifically the electromagnetism, "when there was... the incident. And ever since then, the following protocol has been observed..." and then he goes into talking about the details of the button.

So no, that would seem to me at least, the computer's implementation was put in specifically after the fact due to "the incident".

Interestingly enough, we have confirmation from Lindeloff and Cuse that the season finale will be called "The Incident". :hump

[GinaNMU]

Interestingly enough, we have confirmation from Lindeloff and Cuse that the season finale will be called "The Incident". :hump

:hump Hell yes. I know, when Faraday stepped off that sub I was like, "thank the LORD! Get these damn people out of '77!"