LOST (the tv show)

[water_into_wine]

Question to everyone:

Who do you think Jacob was referring to when he said "They are coming?" Could very well be the Others outside the Temple, but my initial (and current) thought is that he could be referring to the other Losties from 1977.

[Number27]

I like the hippyness of Bernard and Rose. :lol So calm and collected. :)

[rball1127]

So Jacob sure was easy to kill, huh? hahahaha. I thought it'd be a little more complex than that. And do you think there's any significance as to why BEN was the one that killed him/had to kill him?

because that guy who took the form of locke wasn't actually locke. i think he was the guy jacob was talking to in the beginning because he sad he can't do it but he'll find a loop hole. That was pretending to be locke andgetting ben to do kill jacob.

[Beebz]

Wow, I couldn't disagree with you more.

I dont think it was a bad episode, just a bad finale.

Nothing, literally nothing, of significance was answered in the finale. You can scroll back a few pages to see my list of things, but the whole season was spent setting up this endgame that never occurred. Or rather, it occurred, but we have to wait until next season to learn anything.

That's seems like a massive ripoff to me. In seasons past the finale introduced new mysteries, but they also advanced the plot and told us thing we never learned before. This didn't do that. We know as much about the Incident now as we knew three seasons ago. We know Jacob lives in the statue. Great, but I think the mystery viewers want to solve regarding the statue is what it represents. Rose and Bernard are still alive. Awesome. We couldnt have seen that in any other episode? Why couldnt we see Jacob go back and visit them as children in any other episode?

I though the writing was lazy. We wasted nearly a half hour on the stupid love story crap that seems like it will never end. Juliet went back and forth so many times it was impossible to know what side of the fence she was on. Juliet convinces them to go back to the island, sets up this confrontation between Sawyer and Jack, and then rushes in and says she changed her mind? What the hell was that? The only thing remotely realistic in all of that was Sawyer's reaction.

I like Juliet as a character. She is infinitely more interesting that the bland, transparent Kate. So it sucks to see her smart, capable character reduced to this flip-flopper who cant think more than a second ahead. Its totally out of line with who she's been this entire series; hell, even who she's been since this season. It just made no sense, like the writers couldn't think of a way to get everyone to the Swan together so this was the plot device. Lame.

And I wont even go into detail about Juliet surviving a 200-foot fall into a pit filled with sharp metal. Or the fact that a nuclear weapon primed to explode on impact didn't detonate after the same fall, but did when Juliet hit it with a rock. Come on, that's pathetic.

I love Lost. It's my favorite series on television now that The Wire is gone. I like mysteries, and for a long time I've liked the fact that the writers have rewarded patience, especially this season. But with one season left it feels like a cop-out to end it this way. This whole season was basically a moving-pieces-into-place device.

The penultimate episode in Lost is usually a place-setter--usually a pretty good, but one that everyone knows its just setting up the finale. After the finale, the entire fifth season was reduced to this role, and that's a shame.

[Beebz]

Question to everyone:

Who do you think Jacob was referring to when he said "They are coming?" Could very well be the Others outside the Temple, but my initial (and current) thought is that he could be referring to the other Losties from 1977.

The 1977 Losties is a good theory. I like that.

[Beebz]

A really interesting theory on another site.

Illana thought Lapidus might be a "candidate." But a candidate for what? Well, since Jacob is now dead (maybe), the thinking goes that he needs to inhabit someone's body. Why not Jack, the ultimate free will guy?

[rball1127]

I dont think it was a bad episode, just a bad finale.

Nothing, literally nothing, of significance was answered in the finale. You can scroll back a few pages to see my list of things, but the whole season was spent setting up this endgame that never occurred. Or rather, it occurred, but we have to wait until next season to learn anything.

That's seems like a massive ripoff to me. In seasons past the finale introduced new mysteries, but they also advanced the plot and told us thing we never learned before. This didn't do that. We know as much about the Incident now as we knew three seasons ago. We know Jacob lives in the statue. Great, but I think the mystery viewers want to solve regarding the statue is what it represents. Rose and Bernard are still alive. Awesome. We couldnt have seen that in any other episode? Why couldnt we see Jacob go back and visit them as children in any other episode?

I though the writing was lazy. We wasted nearly a half hour on the stupid love story crap that seems like it will never end. Juliet went back and forth so many times it was impossible to know what side of the fence she was on. Juliet convinces them to go back to the island, sets up this confrontation between Sawyer and Jack, and then rushes in and says she changed her mind? What the hell was that? The only thing remotely realistic in all of that was Sawyer's reaction.

I like Juliet as a character. She is infinitely more interesting that the bland, transparent Kate. So it sucks to see her smart, capable character reduced to this flip-flopper who cant think more than a second ahead. Its totally out of line with who she's been this entire series; hell, even who she's been since this season. It just made no sense, like the writers couldn't think of a way to get everyone to the Swan together so this was the plot device. Lame.

And I wont even go into detail about Juliet surviving a 200-foot fall into a pit filled with sharp metal. Or the fact that a nuclear weapon primed to explode on impact didn't detonate after the same fall, but did when Juliet hit it with a rock. Come on, that's pathetic.

I love Lost. It's my favorite series on television now that The Wire is gone. I like mysteries, and for a long time I've liked the fact that the writers have rewarded patience, especially this season. But with one season left it feels like a cop-out to end it this way. This whole season was basically a moving-pieces-into-place device.

The penultimate episode in Lost is usually a place-setter--usually a pretty good, but one that everyone knows its just setting up the finale. After the finale, the entire fifth season was reduced to this role, and that's a shame.

maybe it's just me but i viewed jacob as a charecter that i had the most questions about simply because we knew NOTHING about a person who has such a vital role in the overall show. For an episode to start with a preview of his life and then to show his interactions with the characters is a GREAT fuckin episode in my opinion

[dowling25]

Jack still has a destiny imo. His destiny was not to blow up the hydrogen bomb. He thought it was but I don't believe it was. Therefore his destiny would be to stop this evil guy now, and then maybe you are right that he will become the next jacob.

[Beebz]

maybe it's just me but i viewed jacob as a charecter that i had the most questions about simply because we knew NOTHING about a person who has such a vital role in the overall show. For an episode to start with a preview of his life and then to show his interactions with the characters is a GREAT fuckin episode in my opinion

What do we know about Jacob now, though? Aside from what he looks like, we dont know a damn thing.

[41ravens]

the theory of jacob taking over jack's body is a damn good one because then we would end up with *gasp* a jack vs. locke showdown for the ages. with all they've set up in this show, it seems like it almost has to happen that way.

also, to respond to bbianca, i think you're missing the fact that this episode showed us that jacob was indeed real and it gave us a backstory on him. that was a "reveal" 5 years in the making.

[dobyblue]

What lies in the Shadow of the Statue? "Ille qui nos omnes servabit", which means "he whom we all serve."

It means "that which will save/protect us all" no?

"servio" would be serve, "servo" or "servare" is protect.

[41ravens]

What do we know about Jacob now, though? Aside from what he looks like, we dont know a damn thing.

- that he's actually real
- that he's been on the island forever.
- that he's been bringing people to the island forever for some purpose
- that he has interacted with at least 7 of the castaways off the island, before and after the crash
- that he has a counterpart (essau)

[WHO DEY!!!]

After all that, is it bad that the thing that really bugs me is that John Locke is really dead?


I agree 1000000%. If John Locke is dead, Sawyer better become the new leader of everyone. Fuck Jack....why in the hell didnt Sawyer beat the shit out of him. We have been waiting for that for almost 4 years!

[dobyblue]

Just to confirm, it was definitely he/it that shall save/protect us all, not he/it that which we all serve:

http://www.tranexp.com:2000/Translate/result.shtml

servio - be a slave to, to be a slave to, serve
servabit - being saved, requiring to be saved

[dobyblue]

The statue is Tawaret - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taweret

As a protector, she often was shown with one arm resting on the sa symbol, which symbolized protection, and on occasion she carried an ankh, the symbol of life, or a knife, which would be used to threaten evil spirits.

[Beebz]

- that he's actually real
- that he's been on the island forever.
- that he's been bringing people to the island forever for some purpose
- that he has interacted with at least 7 of the castaways off the island, before and after the crash
- that he has a counterpart (essau)

the theory of jacob taking over jack's body is a damn good one because then we would end up with *gasp* a jack vs. locke showdown for the ages. with all they've set up in this show, it seems like it almost has to happen that way.

also, to respond to bbianca, i think you're missing the fact that this episode showed us that jacob was indeed real and it gave us a backstory on him. that was a "reveal" 5 years in the making.

These are solid points. Yes, we did learn something about Jacob. The beginning as easily the best part of the episode.

Im still hesitant to call his partner Esau. Doesnt really fit with the Egyptian context of the statue and the hieroglyphics.

[41ravens]

The statue is Tawaret - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taweret

from that same link:

Consequently, Taweret became seen, very early in Egyptian history, as a deity of protection in pregnancy and childbirth. Pregnant women wore amulets with her name or likeness to protect their pregnancies. Her image could also be found on knives made from hippopotamus ivory, which would be used as wands in rituals to drive evil spirits away from mothers and children.

[41ravens]

These are solid points. Yes, we did learn something about Jacob. The beginning as easily the best part of the episode.

Im still hesitant to call his partner Esau. Doesnt really fit with the Egyptian context of the statue and the hieroglyphics.

yeah, i was just using the name cause that's what most people seem to be calling him. i guess we could just call him "evil jacob". but what if jacob is the evil one?

[Beebz]

Something else I'm fuzzy on.

Obviously, Jacob's Counterpart (JC) had been putting events/people in motion for quite sometimes in order to kill Jacob. To that end, he needed to get Richard to tell time-traveling Locke that Locke needed to die in order to save his friends. Question is, how did JC set everything up so that he could be there at the exact time of Locke's arrival?

Basically, what I'm asking is if we think JC knew that the island would skip around in time decades in advance. More importantly, did he need the island to skip around so he could plant that seed in Locke's head? Is the time-skipping island part of the loophole?

I mean, we assume Ben was the loophole, but what if taking the island off a linear timeframe was really the key to killing Jacob? Locke himself probably wasn't crucial--in fact, I think the jacob assassination was tried with Christian in the Locke role, but it failed for whatever reason, necessitating the need for another "leader of the Others."

Its interesting, and somewhat sad, to see Locke used yet again. His father conned him for everything, and now JC has done the same.

[Beebz]

yeah, i was just using the name cause that's what most people seem to be calling him. i guess we could just call him "evil jacob". but what if jacob is the evil one?

That's true. We dont know anyone's motives. I'm calling him JC for Jacob's Counterpart.

[trautwein.m]

Its all a big game btwn good and evil, god and satan, jacob and dude

agreed.

and the people are like job.

[dmbman32]

After last night, my brother and I thought about making one of those "Mafia Boards" relating to "LOST." You know, those boards with the head guys on the top, and everyone below them tricking down. Kind of like a family tree.

Last night seemed to indicate that Jacob & "the other guy" are at the top of the list, and everyone else is connected because of them. I loved the idea that, this WHOLE time, the struggle has been between those two. All of the Other/Dharma/815 stuff were chess pieces for these two guys to do whatever they need to do.

I also loved that, just like they said, the writers are tying up loose ends from past seasons:

-Who said "Help me?" in the cabin? - "The Other Guy"
-Ben's relationship with Jacob - All a lie
-What's with the dead people walking around the island? - "The Other Guy"
-How could Locke come back to life? - He didn't
-Jacob/The Statue/etc. - All broken down last night
-Did the 815 people have any connection before the flight? - Yep

I thought the episode was outstanding. Tense the whole way through, and never boring. It definitely makes you want to go back and re-watch this season to pick up on little things. The last 20 minutes or so absolutely blew me out of the water. That whole final scene with Locke/Ben/Jacob, for whatever reason, creeped the hell out of me. Not really sure why, but it did. Maybe the whole ghost/smoke monster/escaping from the cabin aspect. But creepy stuff.

Here would be my main questions that I'm hoping get answered:

-If Widmore & Ben were technically both "following" Jacob, and now Ben killed him, will Ben follow "Locke?"
-What is the relationship between Richard/Jacob/"Other Guy?" Whose side is Richard on?
-If Jacob was "leading" The Others, why would he allow Ben to do The Purge/mess with the 815 survivors, etc.? Or, why would Richard allow that?

Of course, the whole bomb thing is another question. I couldn't even predict what I think happened. If I had to guess, I think they will go to another time. Who knows what. I also think the theme of next season is the 815 people bringing peace to the island & ending the conflict of Jacob/"Other Guy"/Ben & Widmore/etc.

Overall, great finale.

P.S. Did anyone else love the little teaser they showed for next season? Even though it didn't have any new footage, something about it just stuck with me. Maybe the finality of the show ending 1 year from now. But it just hit with me.

[boarderx5423]

So are we assuming that Essau/JC is Smokezilla?

[JorgeCavos]

I dont think it was a bad episode, just a bad finale.

Nothing, literally nothing, of significance was answered in the finale. You can scroll back a few pages to see my list of things, but the whole season was spent setting up this endgame that never occurred. Or rather, it occurred, but we have to wait until next season to learn anything.

That's seems like a massive ripoff to me. In seasons past the finale introduced new mysteries, but they also advanced the plot and told us thing we never learned before. This didn't do that. We know as much about the Incident now as we knew three seasons ago. We know Jacob lives in the statue. Great, but I think the mystery viewers want to solve regarding the statue is what it represents. Rose and Bernard are still alive. Awesome. We couldnt have seen that in any other episode? Why couldnt we see Jacob go back and visit them as children in any other episode?

I though the writing was lazy. We wasted nearly a half hour on the stupid love story crap that seems like it will never end. Juliet went back and forth so many times it was impossible to know what side of the fence she was on. Juliet convinces them to go back to the island, sets up this confrontation between Sawyer and Jack, and then rushes in and says she changed her mind? What the hell was that? The only thing remotely realistic in all of that was Sawyer's reaction.

I like Juliet as a character. She is infinitely more interesting that the bland, transparent Kate. So it sucks to see her smart, capable character reduced to this flip-flopper who cant think more than a second ahead. Its totally out of line with who she's been this entire series; hell, even who she's been since this season. It just made no sense, like the writers couldn't think of a way to get everyone to the Swan together so this was the plot device. Lame.

And I wont even go into detail about Juliet surviving a 200-foot fall into a pit filled with sharp metal. Or the fact that a nuclear weapon primed to explode on impact didn't detonate after the same fall, but did when Juliet hit it with a rock. Come on, that's pathetic.

I love Lost. It's my favorite series on television now that The Wire is gone. I like mysteries, and for a long time I've liked the fact that the writers have rewarded patience, especially this season. But with one season left it feels like a cop-out to end it this way. This whole season was basically a moving-pieces-into-place device.

The penultimate episode in Lost is usually a place-setter--usually a pretty good, but one that everyone knows its just setting up the finale. After the finale, the entire fifth season was reduced to this role, and that's a shame.

Didn't answer anything? How about who Jacob is? Will they or won't they blow the nuke? What was the Incident? We saw it all, man! Plus Jacob being there throughout all those peoples lives...if you noticed- he touched each of them during those scenes. Did that provide them with some sort of power/specialness?

[41ravens]

So are we assuming that Essau/JC is Smokezilla?

i think it's a pretty plausible explanation. so the "scanning" was him trying to find someone who was worthy. that's why "smokey" didn't off locke when he scanned him. locke was the one who could help him.

if locke really is dead, while it's sad, i think it's actually kind of cool. here they go making him out to be some special guy who was going to change everything, and in the end he was the same old locke. trustworthy and gullible and was taken full advantage of for someone else's personal gain.

[Beebz]

Didn't answer anything? How about who Jacob is? Will they or won't they blow the nuke? What was the Incident? We saw it all, man! Plus Jacob being there throughout all those peoples lives...if you noticed- he touched each of them during those scenes. Did that provide them with some sort of power/specialness?

Ive been over this before, but we dont know who Jacob is, we dont know if they blew the nuke (did the nuke go off or was it a time flash? And does it even matter since we dont know what happened next?), and we already knew was the incident was three seasons ago--a release of electromagnetic energy.

I did notice he touched them all, but, as in tpyical Lost fashion, we dont know what any of it means.

[Styx Cover Band]

Some interesting conspiracy theories about Jacobs' enemy:

http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Jacob%27s_enemy/Theories

[dobyblue]

from that same link:

Which would lend credence to the inhabitants of the island many, many years ago having problems with childbirth much as they do now.

[ComeNFrmTheCold]

I wouldn't really call Ben THE loophole, but rather the actual KILLING of Jacob to be the thing that causes this whole timeline to come off track for the first time in thousands of years.

I am almost certain that everything that happened in last night's episode has happened before, except for the death of Jacob. Season 6 will then be a liberated island, that is to say the first time the island will not be repeating itself.

[OlivePoet]

Fuck, this finale was the last thing I needed during finals week. :lol

[weller3377]

Fuck, this finale was the last thing I needed during finals week. :lol

You know you loved it.

[41ravens]

where'd the discussion go? did we all start bleeding from the ears at the same time trying to make sense of this mess? really like doc jensen's article today. still bummed that there's only 16 episodes left. this is pretty much the only show i watch.

[Beebz]

where'd the discussion go? did we all start bleeding from the ears at the same time trying to make sense of this mess? really like doc jensen's article today. still bummed that there's only 16 episodes left. this is pretty much the only show i watch.

Yeah, this really thread fell off fast for a finale.

The Doc Jenson article was interesting as always. Seemed to parallel a lot of what we talked about in here.

[Beebz]

Also, Doby, meant to ask you about this earlier since Jacob's Counterpart was the awesome Adams in Deadwood--when is that series slated to hit on Blu Ray? I know it was postponed late last year, but is there any word when we can expect these to hit?

[Beebz]

Something else that speaks to the rather haphazard nature of the finale section involving the "love quadrangle" or whatever the hell you wanna call it.

Elizabeth Mitchell was going to leave the show to take the lead in a TV remake of some show called V, so the writers had to add in her death late in the season. That may have contributed to the terrible plot devices that had Juliet changing her mind four times. Perhaps she wasn't slated to die originally, but the script had to be tweaked to accommodate her leaving.

Either that or the writers just straight shit the bed on that part. And the part where Jack tells Sawyer he's detonating a nuclear bomb cause he wants a second chance with Kate, then the two of them fight about it while Sayid bleeds to death nearby. All very realistic. :rolleyes

I swear, if I wasn't so invested in this show those 20 minutes right there would have been enough for me to say "Fuck it." I almost hope Juliet is dead because there wont be another mention of this insipid "love story" that's been shoehorned in to attract female viewers.

[flyer3468]

So it's fair to assume that Jacob took Christian's body while this other man took Locke's? There seems to be a lot of parallels there.


Also how awesome was Nadia getting run over? You knew it was going to happen, but I thought it ended up looking fantastic. Especially with Jacob.

I think that that he took Christian's body too, because he told Locke that he would have to die if he wanted to return.... And in Christian's body he had no way of convincing Ben to kill Jacob. And that he is the smoke monster. Otherwise why would he tell Ben to do everything Locke says no matter what. Why spare Ben after killing his daughter? Because he knew he could convince him to kill Jacob. It has to be something like that only mortals can kill them, they can't kill each other.

[flyer3468]

What if the other man took Christians body first, tried to use it to manipulate Jack/someone into eventually killing Jacob, saw it wouldnt work and devised another plan?

Or--and I think this makes more sense--this other man has been guiding Ben for decades. As soon as he was brought to the Temple, other man realized that he was the loophole he had been looking for. He shaped Ben into thinking Locke was the new leader so Ben could sell it to the Others. He had Ben kill Locke and get everyone back on the island, because he knew he could inhabit Locke and get Ben to kill Jacob.

I'm still a few pages behind, so everything I have to add was probably already said, like this.

[flyer3468]

I think Miles was onto something when he said maybe they should do nothing and the incident wouldn't happen...

I strongly believe that. The incident happened... I knew it was gonna no matter what they did when they showed the women and children getting off in the sub. Baby Miles and his mom. The girl that was with Farraday. All of them in present time were not on the island when the incident happened. So obviously what happened, happened. They couldn't change the pas. They told Dr Chang and he ordered the evacuation.

[WHO DEY!!!]

I think that that he took Christian's body too, because he told Locke that he would have to die if he wanted to return.... And in Christian's body he had no way of convincing Ben to kill Jacob. And that he is the smoke monster. Otherwise why would he tell Ben to do everything Locke says no matter what. Why spare Ben after killing his daughter? Because he knew he could convince him to kill Jacob. It has to be something like that only mortals can kill them, they can't kill each other.


What makes everyone think they are immortal?? Any of them?? including Jacob? I mean he obviously dies. Also, doenst Faraday or Miles say that 'dead is dead'??

Maybe they dont age or something, but they are obviously not immortal.
i also believe this b/c Widmore asks Ben "Are you here to kill me Benjamin?" So he obviosuly can die too. Just my quick two cents.

[flyer3468]

Another COMPLETELY random thought here, but does anybody remember in either the 1st or 2nd episode of Season 1, when the scene began, with a zoom in on Jack's face...and it was right after they had heard the smoke monster for the first time. You could hear the folks in the background chatting, and I guarantee they did this on purpose...


Person 1: "That SOUND it kept making...gosh there is just something so familiar about it."
Person 2: "Oh yea? Where are you from?"
Person 1: "Brooklyn."



You can clearly hear this exchange happen. I know this has absolutely no tie-ins whatsoever to tonight's show, but has anybody else caught this or think the city of Brooklyn could end up holding significance? Thatd be pretty fucking cool if it did...lol

I think that was to let us know it sounded more machine than monster... When they played it up to being the "security system" later on, and it was like chains underground

[flyer3468]

from that same link:

I like that a lot.... This could explain all the pregnancy miscarriages on the island. Evil doesn't want anyone on the island that he didnt' bring, so he would kill all the newborns save Aaron and Ethan.. So Jacob was protecting people pregnant, aka Sun would couldn't conceive until they came to the island. And Evil was killing them aside from people who fit his plan

Just a guess

[flyer3468]

i think it's a pretty plausible explanation. so the "scanning" was him trying to find someone who was worthy. that's why "smokey" didn't off locke when he scanned him. locke was the one who could help him.

if locke really is dead, while it's sad, i think it's actually kind of cool. here they go making him out to be some special guy who was going to change everything, and in the end he was the same old locke. trustworthy and gullible and was taken full advantage of for someone else's personal gain.

Absolutely... I love that. Locke's whole back story of him being conned. He just got conned again.

[flyer3468]

What makes everyone think they are immortal?? Any of them?? including Jacob? I mean he obviously dies. Also, doenst Faraday or Miles say that 'dead is dead'??

Maybe they dont age or something, but they are obviously not immortal.
i also believe this b/c Widmore asks Ben "Are you here to kill me Benjamin?" So he obviosuly can die too. Just my quick two cents.

Well in the beginning conversation, when EVIL says to Jacob "You know how much I want to kill you?"... Then why doesn't he? For whatever reason, they both have been on the island for a very very very long time without aging, the ability to take over other people's dead bodies, and they can't kill each other despite the hatred for one another. So that leads me to believe that they are some kind of gods that can be killed by "humans" and not each other.

[flyer3468]

So when little Ben went to the Temple to get "healed"... He went to the same Temple the smoke monster stayed in. And if Jacob's enemy is the smoke monster, then Jacob's enemy "healed" Ben. Also explaining why Ben was able to call the monster to kill Widmore's hired assassins. The monster needed to protect Ben so he could later kill Jacob

[flyer3468]

I realize I'm talking to myself, but let me be... I was reading up on lostipedia and looking at mystery's they've yet to solve and I developed a theory. Probably way off, though.

In Season 1 when Jack finds "Adam & Eve" with the one black stone and one white stone. Was it ever revealed that they were in fact a man and a woman? I know in interviews they said they would tie this mystery up in the last season. Could "Adam & Eve" be in fact Jacob and his enemy? We know time travel is possible and because of that, I'm not sure we've even seen the last of Jacob despite the fact that he died.

[dowling25]

No Jack said one is a woman and one was a man.

[mattyszow]

And I wont even go into detail about Juliet surviving a 200-foot fall into a pit filled with sharp metal. Or the fact that a nuclear weapon primed to explode on impact didn't detonate after the same fall, but did when Juliet hit it with a rock. Come on, that's pathetic.


who said that flash was the bomb detonating? we've seen plenty of white flashes this year; part of me thinks that was simply a flash given that the electromagnetism escaped.

and juliet was bleeding from the mouth & coughing up blood, so clearly she wasn't gonna last much longer - when u fall u dont necessarily die on impact.

[Stouggies]

so I might just have to start watching all these years over again just to see what makes sense if I can figure it out. Not sure if this has been mentioned since last night, since Jacob never let Ben into his foot home, does this mean that Jacob knew all along by the comments he made just before Ben stabbed him, that he knew Ben would kill him when they met face to face?

[Stouggies]

Oh man I just backread a little, you all have a lot of clear noise free time to figure this shit out while watching it one time through with no disturbances, I admire your luckyness. I think this next year I will have to lock myself in a soundproof room and try to watch every episode to actually feel like I have scene all these bits and pieces that you all seem to have pasted together on how these characters are what they are today.:lol does it help to be totally stoned, drunk or completely sober:rolleyes

[Talula62]

After all that, is it bad that the thing that really bugs me is that John Locke is really dead?No. I've been posting the same thing. :(

Then they'll throw you off by starting Season 6 with that same Juilet running outside and meeting Jacob as a little girl. Ooh, could be. Could Elizabeth Mitchell's character die in the pilot of that show she's in or... I haven't heard a thing about the concept of the show.

[junior94]

Ooh, could be. Could Elizabeth Mitchell's character die in the pilot of that show she's in or... I haven't heard a thing about the concept of the show.

Well it's a remake of "V" the miniseries. Which, even I have scant memories of from my childhood, so it's likely even before your time at all Allison. Honestly I don't remember all that much of it, just about this race of lizard-like aliens who sort of quietly invade Earth (that is, they're posing as humans... you can rip off their "human skin" like makeup and reveal the true alien that's beneath), and I have no idea what part she's playing, although I would guess with where Mitchell is with her career right now, it's a significant role.

[DMBZeppelin]

Ok so I've put some thought into this, and maybe Jacob isn't dead.

Because we don't even know if he could die. Just that the evil guy told Ben "You have to kill Jacob." which might not be true. Because I doubt he would explain to Ben if Jacob couldn't die. Reason being is we see both of them at one point in time with their own bodies. What we appear to find out is the guy who says "help me" and has been stuck in the cabin so to speak. Got out when the ash was removed. So maybe Jacob found a way to get rid of his physical body, and keep him trapped on the island. Maybe now Jacob is also without a physical body, and maybe the next step is to trap him in his own sort of prison. Maybe that's why he burned Jacob's body. Maybe he needs his ashes to help keep him confined somewhere.

I'm probably way off, but just something I've been thinking about.

[il bacio dolce]

Alright. Watched the finale earlier this evening and I must say it exceeded all of my expectations. It was a surprise around every turn, it was better than any Christmas morning as a kid where you got everything on your list to Santa. :lol It was fantastic. I don't even feel the need to dissect and analyze anymore. I just loved it, period.

[proppenator]

So the consensus seems to be that Jacob's Enemy took the form of Christian Shepherd. This makes sense, since Christian played a key role in influencing Locke.

But I had a random thought today...All the dead people Hurley's been seeing are actually Jacob's Enemy. I'm not sure why he would only appear to Hurley, but just a thought I had that I thought was a cool possibility.

[dowling25]

Jacob's enemy took the form of everyone. it wasn't just Christian.

Esau had to make sure that everything happened exactly as it was supposed to happen in order to get the loophole to kill Jacob. He influenced and manipulated everyone.

[dh4645]

just watched it earlier tonight and summed everything up i read here + my own thoughts of what i agree with:


yeah, i believe that the "locke" is the mystery man (MM) from the beach from the beginning. the one that was talking to jacob when the black rock was sailing in. i think richard was on the boat and was granted immortality by jacob for agreeing to serve him. remember widmore was bidding on a diary kept by the first mate on the black rock. also since i just watched last weeks too, i now see that "locke"/MM was the one who told richard to tell the alive locke (shot in the leg) that he had to die. now it makes sense.

it just seems like a big game between good and evil, god and satan, jacob and MM. they are some kind of gods that can be killed by mortals but not each other.

MM asked what the point of bringing more people here, because the same thing always happens. jacob disagreed. i think new people come to the island in different ways (one of the ways is jacob touching them like he did with every one of the losties he met) and the two "gods" try and tip the scales in their favor through manipulation. destiny vs. free will. ben is MM's pawn and richard is jacobs. back to the flashbacks with jacob...juliet's flashback was the only one that didn't include jacob (as far as we know) and juliet is now dead (possibly) i don't really know what it means, if anything, but it's interesting that they made a point to show what otherwise seems to be a pretty pointless juliet flashback.

i think MM has taken over a bunch of people...locke, claire, christian...maybe he is also the smoke monster. like how in the one episode the smoke turned into ben's daughter and "she" told ben to do whatever locke said, who actually turned out to be MM. he was just trying to find the loophole to kill jacob presumably to take over the island. or maybe jacob and MM both take over people??? i guess ben was the loophole because he wasn't suppose to come back to the island

so...that last scene. i'm thinking/hoping it was one of the flashes, and the losties will not die or be back on the plane to LA...they will just flash to a different time period. maybe to 2007 with everyone else. i believe miles was right in thinking that the bomb is what caused the incident in the first place. whatever happened happened. i like lost's time travel rules, but i also like the back to the future style too....as long as they stay consistent with the rules they establish i can understand it. i will really hate the show if they end up back on the plane to LA like the last 5 seasons never happened.

i still can't get over the fact that one of, if not the biggest mystery for this entire series was stabbed and kicked into a fire at the end of the episode. also, who's the "they" in "they're coming"? the people who carried dead locke....the losties from 1977??? or something unknown???


one thing that made me mad:
when sawyer demands his 5 minute talk with jack and no one says anything about sayid dying in the back of the van. wtf?

sorry about all that
obviously, just my thoughts....and some of yours i totally agreed with.
who knows if any of them are right though.
we wont know until next year
booo

[Ghosts on TV]

I don't get that Nadia got hit by a car and died, and she also got murdered in Iraq. Whats the deal?

[junior94]

I don't get that Nadia got hit by a car and died, and she also got murdered in Iraq. Whats the deal?

Umm.. no she didn't. We learned in "The Economist" last year that Nadia had been killed in traffic back in LA, but that Sayid had brought her home to Iraq to bury her (& we saw last night the moment where she tells him to do that right before she dies). Of course based on that scene last night, we still don't know if Ben was lying to Sayid about that bald dude was the one driving the car, or even if that guy was working for Widmore. Hell we don't ultimately know if ANY of the people that Ben had Sayid killing were Widmore's players, Sayid always apparently just took his word for it. It all could've been just Ben's elaborate plot to kill who he wanted and using Sayid to do it.

[Gonzo#34]

I realize I'm talking to myself, but let me be... I was reading up on lostipedia and looking at mystery's they've yet to solve and I developed a theory. Probably way off, though.

In Season 1 when Jack finds "Adam & Eve" with the one black stone and one white stone. Was it ever revealed that they were in fact a man and a woman? I know in interviews they said they would tie this mystery up in the last season. Could "Adam & Eve" be in fact Jacob and his enemy? We know time travel is possible and because of that, I'm not sure we've even seen the last of Jacob despite the fact that he died.


rose and bernard

[Ghosts on TV]

Umm.. no she didn't. We learned in "The Economist" last year that Nadia had been killed in traffic back in LA, but that Sayid had brought her home to Iraq to bury her (& we saw last night the moment where she tells him to do that right before she dies). Of course based on that scene last night, we still don't know if Ben was lying to Sayid about that bald dude was the one driving the car, or even if that guy was working for Widmore. Hell we don't ultimately know if ANY of the people that Ben had Sayid killing were Widmore's players, Sayid always apparently just took his word for it. It all could've been just Ben's elaborate plot to kill who he wanted and using Sayid to do it.

Who got killed in Iraq then? It was a woman if I remember correctly. I could be way off, I forget.

[JaJunk]

Anybody that hates on this finale just loves to bitch and moan. Fantastic all the way around.

[junior94]

Who got killed in Iraq then? It was a woman if I remember correctly. I could be way off, I forget.

Nobody got killed in Iraq. At least I'm pretty sure. You may just be getting confused with the memory of the image of Sayid and a few other guys carrying a coffin thru the streets, but again it was just that he brought Nadia back there from LA just to bury her in her homeland.

[junior94]

Ratings, in case you were curious... (EZTV)


Wednesday's ratings recap:

8 pm/ET
The recently renewed Lie to Me's season finale led the hour with 8.36 million total viewers, dipping 320K week-to-week. CBS' sitcombo of Rules of Engagement (6.38 mil) and Old Christine (6.54 mil) placed second. Trailing the Lost clip show and Law & Order: CI, the America's Next Top Model finale drew 4.23 mil, up 410 thou.

9 pm
American Idol's reveal of the Top 2 drew 23.99 mil, inching up 420K. Criminal Minds copped second with 13.03 mil, down 8 percent.

Lost's penultimate (sigh...) season finale averaged 9.31 million viewers over its two-hour run, marking a gain of 600K week-to-week and the series' best numbers since April 1.

It's so depressing to me that American Idol does that well, especially how many friggin years into it now? Frankly it still baffles me that this many people who are into a band like DMB to the point of being regular posters on a DMB message board would seriously even be into at all a concept like American Idol. It just seems like the anti-DMB.


*sigh* God I hate reality TV :p :lol

[Tomato42]

What makes everyone think they are immortal?? Any of them?? including Jacob? I mean he obviously dies. Also, doenst Faraday or Miles say that 'dead is dead'??

Maybe they dont age or something, but they are obviously not immortal.
i also believe this b/c Widmore asks Ben "Are you here to kill me Benjamin?" So he obviosuly can die too. Just my quick two cents.

to which ben replies "you know i cant do that" or "you know thats against the rules" or something to that affect, if my memory serves me.. not saying that widmore is immortal, because i dont think he is.

jacob is immortal. he is reincarnated as aaron.:eek

[Hudak-Budak]

It's so depressing to me that American Idol does that well, especially how many friggin years into it now? Frankly it still baffles me that this many people who are into a band like DMB to the point of being regular posters on a DMB message board would seriously even be into at all a concept like American Idol. It just seems like the anti-DMB.


*sigh* God I hate reality TV :p :lol

I can see why you would think a decent singing voice is anti-DMB.

Usually, I watch the beginning to see the trainwrecks, and always against my better judgment I end up starting to like a contestant so I watch through the season, and then when you get near the end you just want to see who wins. But with that being said, it gets DVR'd. Especially on Wednesday nights. I could definitely see a conversation like this next year:

1: "Hello, Mr. Hudak. We'd like to present you with the Nobel Prize for your humanitarian work."
2: "Oh, sweet. When is the ceremony?"
1: "Wednesday night, beginning at 9pm."
2: "I'm going to have to get back to you on that..."

[junior94]

I can see why you would think a decent singing voice is anti-DMB.


errr.. I'm honestly not sure if you mean that kinda sarcastically or not.. :lol I can tell you nothing to do with that was on my mind at all.

My issue isn't anything related to any sort of quality of the singing or not, hell as much as I can't really stand Christina Aguilera the person and the singer, I recognize she has an incredibly beautiful voice (& I hate myself for wanting to fuck her so bad :p) My problem is with the concept in principle overall. To me the show's always been about little more than just creating this product to be put out there on the shelves for people to slop up. It doesn't seem at all truly about the art of music, but, I mean c'mon it's in the damn title for gods sake, it's about manufacturing a "star". It just all plays as so artificial to me.

[Hudak-Budak]

errr.. I'm honestly not sure if you mean that kinda sarcastically or not.. :lol I can tell you nothing to do with that was on my mind at all.

It was meant sarcastically, but not as a joke. If that makes sense. I knew that wasn't your problem with the show, but I also believe that a lot of the people on there have better voices than Dave.

[junior94]

It was meant sarcastically, but not as a joke. If that makes sense. I knew that wasn't your problem with the show, but I also believe that a lot of the people on there have better voices than Dave.

Well actually, yea okay taking that angle, I can totally see where you're coming from. Following this band for well over a decade now I'm familiar enough with that some fans who even do like the band regard Dave as actually not that very good of a singer at all (with some non-fans downright can't stand him).

I'm a huge Pearl Jam fan and obviously they've got a major global impact and popularity for so long, I've got a few friends (& they happen to mostly be female, if that means anything) that can't stand Eddie's voice, they find it very annoying. I just can't relate to that thought at all.
And not to continue on too much of a tangent, but I always thought Dave's voice possibly belonged in the same general universe as Peter Gabriel, that they had some similarities.

[dh4645]

anyway....

some people are thinking the statue is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sobek
instead of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taweret

but i dont see it. i'm on team taweret

[41ravens]

anyway....

some people are thinking the statue is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sobek
instead of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taweret

but i dont see it. i'm on team taweret

hmmm...i was on team taweret myself, but then read this tidbit in the sobek entry:

Sobek's ambiguous nature led some Egyptians to believe that he was a repairer of evil that had been done, rather than a force for good in itself, for example, going to Duat to restore damage done to the dead as a result of their form of death. He was also said to call on suitable gods and goddesses required for protecting people in situation, effectively having a more distant role, nudging things along, rather than taking an active part.

sounds a lot like what we know of jacob, if you ask me.

[dh4645]

hmmm...i was on team taweret myself, but then read this tidbit in the sobek entry:

sounds a lot like what we know of jacob, if you ask me.

i agree.
i should have explained more.
i meant i don't see the resemblance of S to the lost statue. the statue looks more like T (especially the head area with the flat top), that's why i'm on team T, but both descriptions seem to have relevance.

[41ravens]

i agree.
i should have explained more.
i meant i don't see the resemblance of S to the lost statue. the statue looks more like T (especially the head area with the flat top), that's why i'm on team T, but both descriptions seem to have relevance.

yeah, i can see both. sobek is described as the body of a man with the head of a crocodile, carrying an ankh, which is clearly what the statue in the show looks like. taweret also has the head of a croc, but, from what i've read, usually had the body of a hippo, which doesn't really fit the statue. however, i've also read that taweret had four toes, whereas sobek did not.

also, i never thought that in my entire life i'd ever be debating egyptian mythological creatures. thanks, lost!

[dh4645]

yeah, i can see both. sobek is described as the body of a man with the head of a crocodile, carrying an ankh, which is clearly what the statue in the show looks like. taweret also has the head of a croc, but, from what i've read, usually had the body of a hippo, which doesn't really fit the statue. however, i've also read that taweret had four toes, whereas sobek did not.

also, i never thought that in my entire life i'd ever be debating egyptian mythological creatures. thanks, lost!

haha, yeah i know right!?

[Beebz]

Anybody that hates on this finale just loves to bitch and moan. Fantastic all the way around.

I didnt hate the finale, but I was certainly disappointed, as were many other fans and media members. You can backread about five pages to see what I had a problem with if youre curious--the love story crap, Juliet's constant mind-changing, and the ridiculous 1977 ending were my biggest gripes.

I thought there were some great parts, but overall it was the worst of the show's five season finales.

[41ravens]

while we're on the subject, and don't know if this has been brought up, here's a pic of the foot our gang saw back in season 2:

http://www.endtimeprophecy.net/Jacob/images/Four-Toed-Statue.gif

doesn't really look like anyone could be living under there, does it? continuity error, or two statues?

[dh4645]

while we're on the subject, and don't know if this has been brought up, here's a pic of the foot our gang saw back in season 2:

http://www.endtimeprophecy.net/Jacob/images/Four-Toed-Statue.gif

doesn't really look like anyone could be living under there, does it? continuity error, or two statues?

i say just a continuity error

[41ravens]

well, then here's another:

http://oliverdenson.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/four_toed1.jpg

that's the view of jacob's statue that sawyer, juliet and the rest got while traveling through time. i don't see any mountains.

[UNLTrpt]

while we're on the subject, and don't know if this has been brought up, here's a pic of the foot our gang saw back in season 2:

http://www.endtimeprophecy.net/Jacob/images/Four-Toed-Statue.gif

doesn't really look like anyone could be living under there, does it? continuity error, or two statues?

well, then here's another:

http://oliverdenson.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/four_toed1.jpg

that's the view of jacob's statue that sawyer, juliet and the rest got while traveling through time. i don't see any mountains.

I'd say continuity error. Plus wasn't the foot last night the right foot? and the one Sayid/Jin/Sun saw the left one?

[dh4645]

I'd say continuity error. Plus wasn't the foot last night the right foot? and the one Sayid/Jin/Sun saw the left one?

i cant tell if its a left or right
see 3rd pic

http://losteastereggs.blogspot.com/2009/05/episode-5x17-incident-part-2-locke-and.html

[UNLTrpt]

i cant tell if its a left or right
see 3rd pic

http://losteastereggs.blogspot.com/2009/05/episode-5x17-incident-part-2-locke-and.html

yeah I guess you can't tell very well

[GinaNMU]

rose and bernard

:thumbsup TOTALLY Adam and Eve.

[41ravens]

yeah, i could see rose and bernard. think there's significance to the fact that rose is "black" and bernard is "white"? maybe showing that the two can co-exist peacefully? not race-wise, but kind of them being a personification of the stones/backgammon pieces? or am i looking way too into things this morning.

[il bacio dolce]

yeah, i could see rose and bernard. think there's significance to the fact that rose is "black" and bernard is "white"? maybe showing that the two can co-exist peacefully? not race-wise, but kind of them being a personification of the stones/backgammon pieces? or am i looking way too into things this morning.

I think anything that appears symmetrical or coincidental was probably done on purpose, or at the very least everything is open to interpretation. I've drawn parallels between scenes in episodes two seasons apart that could have been nothing or could have had meaning, but in the end, that's all part of enjoying the show, that it has so many potential layers. Then again you can just sit back and enjoy the action, take it all for face value.

[mattyszow]

:thumbsup TOTALLY Adam and Eve.

yeah, i could see rose and bernard. think there's significance to the fact that rose is "black" and bernard is "white"? maybe showing that the two can co-exist peacefully? not race-wise, but kind of them being a personification of the stones/backgammon pieces? or am i looking way too into things this morning.

I think anything that appears symmetrical or coincidental was probably done on purpose, or at the very least everything is open to interpretation. I've drawn parallels between scenes in episodes two seasons apart that could have been nothing or could have had meaning, but in the end, that's all part of enjoying the show, that it has so many potential layers. Then again you can just sit back and enjoy the action, take it all for face value.


but Adam & Eve were found in the cave, and i was under the impression that they thought they were like hundreds (if not thousands) of years old, and not like 30 years old which is what Rose & Bernard's would have been given that that was 1977 and the Losties were in the cave in 2004.

it's not Rose & Bernard.

[junior94]

yeah, i could see rose and bernard. think there's significance to the fact that rose is "black" and bernard is "white"? maybe showing that the two can co-exist peacefully? not race-wise, but kind of them being a personification of the stones/backgammon pieces? or am i looking way too into things this morning.

Well don't you remember that video I posted up several weeks back? By the kid who did this real elaborate video blog for each week's episode (he's since been completely shut down after being accused of some major plagiarism from another popular blog). He presented some VERY compelling evidence for it to be Rose & Bernard. Basically Darlton had said that in the s3 episode where they have to rescue Karl from the brainwashing room, there'd be an anagram somewhere in it that offered a big clue to the identities. Well there was that backwards audio that was determined to be "only fools are enslaved in time and space" (something like that) and that phrase can be rearranged, I don't recall the exact wording, but it definitely mentions "the Nadlers" (Bernard's last name) and their bones lay resting in piece, or something to that affect. So i'd bet real money it's those two.

[flyer3468]

but Adam & Eve were found in the cave, and i was under the impression that they thought they were like hundreds (if not thousands) of years old, and not like 30 years old which is what Rose & Bernard's would have been given that that was 1977 and the Losties were in the cave in 2004.

it's not Rose & Bernard.

Who's to say they won't time travel again?

[41ravens]

Well don't you remember that video I posted up several weeks back? By the kid who did this real elaborate video blog for each week's episode (he's since been completely shut down after being accused of some major plagiarism from another popular blog). He presented some VERY compelling evidence for it to be Rose & Bernard. Basically Darlton had said that in the s3 episode where they have to rescue Karl from the brainwashing room, there'd be an anagram somewhere in it that offered a big clue to the identities. Well there was that backwards audio that was determined to be "only fools are enslaved in time and space" (something like that) and that phrase can be rearranged, I don't recall the exact wording, but it definitely mentions "the Nadlers" (Bernard's last name) and their bones lay resting in piece, or something to that affect. So i'd bet real money it's those two.

i didn't get a chance to watch it. i'll have to check it out.

Who's to say they won't time travel again?

:thumbsup

how bad ass of an ending to the series would it be to have everone dead except for rose and bernard and the last shot is of them falling asleep in the cave. or would that be totally lame?

[junior94]

i didn't get a chance to watch it. i'll have to check it out.


Well no you can't, that's the rub. He had his whole youtube page suspended permanently, so all those videos were taken down. He did just like less than 2 months before this happened had put his own site up and running (lostvideorecaps.com) that hosted HD quality of every video he'd ever done, but ever since the shit storm of plagiarism came down, he removed those from even his own site.

[rball1127]

interesting theory i heard this morning about desmond causing a flash at the time when the screen went white

ill explain the rest tonight

[il bacio dolce]

Wow, it hadn't even occured to me that it coulda been a time flash. Actually, the bomb could have caused one, rather than killing everyone at all.

[mattyszow]

Who's to say they won't time travel again?

i suppose thats possible -- hell, anything is with this show -- but theyd also have to show Bernard & Rose leaving this shack they built and lived in for 3 years and heading to the cave to die. if they didnt show that then, i think thatd be a pretty big oversight if indeed that what B&R to be A&E.

interesting theory i heard this morning about desmond causing a flash at the time when the screen went white

ill explain the rest tonight

very interested to read this.

[JaJunk]

About time for Claire to come back into the picture. :hump

[junior94]

About time for Claire to come back into the picture. :hump

Well with what I was questioning about claire and the helicopter vision earlier, over on another site someone told me that in a recent podcast they did confirm that that little scenario WILL be still addressed.

[JTRocks]

while i didnt think the finale was that great the other night, i think we're gonna look back on it and realize how huge it really was in the end

theres something i'm not exactly clear on though. when they go to the cabin and see that the ash that was surrounding it was broken, leading us to assume that Jacobs evil counterpart has been taking the form of all these dead people over the years and possibly the smokemonster. the question i have is, do we know when this border of ash surrounding the house was broken?

[DynastyDrummer1]

I thought one of the Losties broke it.

[86dmbal]

anyway....

some people are thinking the statue is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sobek
instead of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taweret

but i dont see it. i'm on team taweret

"Sobek's ambiguous nature led some Egyptians to believe that he was a repairer of evil that had been done, rather than a force for good in itself, for example, going to Duat (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duat) to restore damage done to the dead as a result of their form of death. He was also said to call on suitable gods and goddesses required for protecting people in situation, effectively having a more distant role, nudging things along, rather than taking an active part."

This is taken from the Sobek Wiki. This portion sounds a lot like the role that Jacob plays in Lost. The suitable gods and goddesses Sobek was said to call upon to protect people in situation could be Christian, Alex, perhaps Richard, because they are not living humans anymore, making them closer to god-like figures. And he never does directly initiate any action.

[dowling25]

Ace of Cakes Lost style is on right now! This is so cool. I missed the first 3o minutes but so far this is so cool!

[86dmbal]

hmmm...i was on team taweret myself, but then read this tidbit in the sobek entry:



sounds a lot like what we know of jacob, if you ask me.

Haha shit, i didn't see you posted this.

[86dmbal]

while we're on the subject, and don't know if this has been brought up, here's a pic of the foot our gang saw back in season 2:

http://www.endtimeprophecy.net/Jacob/images/Four-Toed-Statue.gif

doesn't really look like anyone could be living under there, does it? continuity error, or two statues?

Doesn't look much different. On the left side of this photo it looks the same as where Richard let "Locke" and Ben in.

[Tomato42]

About time for Claire to come back into the picture. :hump
i was thinking claire has to be dead because jacobs enemy takes her form to tell kate not to bring aaron (the reincarnation of jacob) back to the island. cant they only take the form of dead people?

[zepfan1234]

"Sobek's ambiguous nature led some Egyptians to believe that he was a repairer of evil that had been done, rather than a force for good in itself, for example, going to Duat (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duat) to restore damage done to the dead as a result of their form of death. He was also said to call on suitable gods and goddesses required for protecting people in situation, effectively having a more distant role, nudging things along, rather than taking an active part."

This is taken from the Sobek Wiki. This portion sounds a lot like the role that Jacob plays in Lost. The suitable gods and goddesses Sobek was said to call upon to protect people in situation could be Christian, Alex, perhaps Richard, because they are not living humans anymore, making them closer to god-like figures. And he never does directly initiate any action.
It's Sobek. He has the head of a human and the face of a crocodile. That statue had the head of a human.
Proof. http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Four-toed_statue

[Tomato42]

thats why he took the form of christian to tell locke he had to die so he could take his form. he needed him dead to take his form.

[zepfan1234]

I also have a question. Why would Jacob revive Locke ( assuming he knew what would happen/Locke's future) if he knew that "the devil" would kill him in the future?

[Tomato42]

I also have a question. Why would Jacob revive Locke ( assuming he knew what would happen/Locke's future) if he knew that "the devil" would kill him in the future?
he revived locke because he needed/wanted him and the rest of the 815ers to come to the island. them coming there was going to at the least enable him to reincarnate himself as aaron but he wanted them to do something that they have the free will to do that jacobs counterpart thinks they will fail at

[zepfan1234]

he revived locke because he needed/wanted him and the rest of the 815ers to come to the island. them coming there was going to at the least enable him to reincarnate himself as aaron but he wanted them to do something that they have the free will to do that jacobs counterpart thinks they will fail at
I highly doubt that Jacob has reincarnated himself as aaron. ESP as he's not on the island anymore.

[Tomato42]

I highly doubt that Jacob has reincarnated himself as aaron. ESP as he's not on the island anymore.

i guarantee this. why do you think jacobs adversary used clairs form to keep aaron off the island? why do you think the others have always said aarons so important? why do you think jacobs adversary is so pissed when jacob tells them theyre coming when hes about to die. because he the ~300 years he has spent finding the loophole and pulling it off have been in vein cause he will brb as aaron. no one could have a baby on the island cause jacobs adversary was blocking this cause jacob would reincarnate himself.

[DMBZeppelin]

i guarantee this. why do you think jacobs adversary used clairs form to keep aaron off the island? why do you think the others have always said aarons so important? why do you think jacobs adversary is so pissed when jacob tells them theyre coming when hes about to die. because he the ~300 years he has spent finding the loophole and pulling it off have been in vein cause he will brb as aaron. no one could have a baby on the island cause jacobs adversary was blocking this cause jacob would reincarnate himself.
How did he reincarnate himself as Aaron... when Aaron is still alive? He died in 2009 and Aaron is already a toddler.

Edit: Not to mention you're 100% wrong about taking 300 years to find a loophole. We already know the baby problem doesn't happen till after the 70's. We saw Ethan was born right there on the island, remember?

[emjohn]

S1: Others come for Walt instead of Aaron, Hatch gets opened
S2: Jack-Kate-Sawyer nabbed, statue foot seen
S3: Others killed at camp, Charlie dies after talking w/Penny, Jack calls the boat
S4: freighter blows, Ben turns FDW, Oc6 rescued
S5: our entire perception of the show is twisted.

-It was never Jacob's cabin. We thought Island Locke had shaken off the cons that had tormented him off-Island, but he got long-conned yet again. That alone makes this the best finale, IMO.

True enough, the 1977 storyline was all but boring and predictable.

[GohanDX]

I bet Jack will be become the new Jacob now. It has always been Locke/Jack and now that Locke has been taken over, I bet Jack will be soon too.

Also, I wonder what the aijyra people meant when they mentioned that Lepidas could be a candidate?

Jacob touched all those that were at the Incident but Juliet, and Miles. Could the bomb have changed something, and that is who Jacob meant was coming. Or maybe it did change something in the future, but they still crash anyway.

[Tomato42]

How did he reincarnate himself as Aaron... when Aaron is still alive? He died in 2009 and Aaron is already a toddler.

Edit: Not to mention you're 100% wrong about taking 300 years to find a loophole. We already know the baby problem doesn't happen till after the 70's. We saw Ethan was born right there on the island, remember?

no he died in the 70's and was reincarnated in present day. eathan was born before he died. after he died is when his rival started blocking pregnancies. :p

[Tomato42]

I bet Jack will be become the new Jacob now. It has always been Locke/Jack and now that Locke has been taken over, I bet Jack will be soon too.

Also, I wonder what the aijyra people meant when they mentioned that Lepidas could be a candidate?

Jacob touched all those that were at the Incident but Juliet, and Miles. Could the bomb have changed something, and that is who Jacob meant was coming. Or maybe it did change something in the future, but they still crash anyway.

jack will become the new immortal ancient egyptian god that doesnt age and :ugh

[dowling25]

S1: Others come for Walt instead of Aaron, Hatch gets opened
S2: Jack-Kate-Sawyer nabbed, statue foot seen
S3: Others killed at camp, Charlie dies after talking w/Penny, Jack calls the boat
S4: freighter blows, Ben turns FDW, Oc6 rescued
S5: our entire perception of the show is twisted.

-It was never Jacob's cabin. We thought Island Locke had shaken off the cons that had tormented him off-Island, but he got long-conned yet again. That alone makes this the best finale, IMO.

True enough, the 1977 storyline was all but boring and predictable.


Locke might have gotten conned, but he was happy, and he's dead so he doesn't even know about it.

[zigbaldi]

Which Foot is it?

http://www.docarzt.com/lost/lost-news/lost-eastereggs-which-foot-is-it/

[flyer3468]

i was thinking claire has to be dead because jacobs enemy takes her form to tell kate not to bring aaron (the reincarnation of jacob) back to the island. cant they only take the form of dead people?

She doesn't have to be dead... She just could have been tricked by "Christian" to say all that. After all they were in the cabin together, and that would be a pretty nifty trick to taking the form of the two of them at the same time.

[Tomato42]

She doesn't have to be dead... She just could have been tricked by "Christian" to say all that. After all they were in the cabin together, and that would be a pretty nifty trick to taking the form of the two of them at the same time.

oh yea.. so she should be alive.

[junior94]

A pretty interesting master theory read from a site I'd never seen before... the writer suggest (among other things) that we perhaps have not seen the last of the REAL John Locke breathing in air, after all.

http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/bshapiro/2009/05/15/what-happens-next-on-lost/

[GinaNMU]

A pretty interesting master theory read from a site I'd never seen before... the writer suggest (among other things) that we perhaps have not seen the last of the REAL John Locke breathing in air, after all.

http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/bshapiro/2009/05/15/what-happens-next-on-lost/

This guy has some interesting thoughts that had never occurred to me. I'd suggest everyone give this a read.

[junior94]

This guy has some interesting thoughts that had never occurred to me. I'd suggest everyone give this a read.

Yea actually though upon rereading it, there's one small part that seems a bit off to me.


This is the loophole Nemesis will eventually exploit - because Jacob cannot interfere with the free choices of others, he must submit to Ben Linus’ free decision to kill him, even though Ben has been manipulated by Nemesis in the body of Locke.

Maybe this is just nitpicking, but why "must" Jacob succumb to Ben stabbing him to death? Technically speaking, it's Ben exhibiting free will by choosing to stab Jacob, but it's perfectly fair and reasonable for Jacob to also exhibit free will by then trying to defend himself. If Jacob prevents himself in that way from getting stabbed, he still let Ben make the free choice of trying to do it.

Alas, this is probably ultimately a sort of moot point, because I kinda suspect that in Jacob's overall plan of combating Nemesis' plan, he was fully prepared to die (in fact maybe he even preferred to, in a Obi Wan Kenobi-esque way).

[mattyszow]

Apollonian and Dionysian. I am thinking Jacob = Apollo and black clothng guy = Dionysian. Brothers - one light, one dark. Both Greek Gods - associated with the Goddess of Fertility (statue?? or at least connected given the islands fertility issues) and the island of Delos. Apollo's very special animal love is a Swan and he is known as a healer AND a leader of civilizations! Odd that the DI has a place called the Swan??? hmmmmm.

[JaJunk]

Apollonian and Dionysian. I am thinking Jacob = Apollo and black clothng guy = Dionysian. Brothers - one light, one dark. Both Greek Gods - associated with the Goddess of Fertility (statue?? or at least connected given the islands fertility issues) and the island of Delos. Apollo's very special animal love is a Swan and he is known as a healer AND a leader of civilizations! Odd that the DI has a place called the Swan??? hmmmmm.

But isn't the mythology Egyptian focused?

[TrippinBilliam]

I love hate this show so much.

[DMBand520]

no he died in the 70's and was reincarnated in present day. eathan was born before he died. after he died is when his rival started blocking pregnancies. :p

Ben killing Jacob happened in 2007 not 1977.

[OlivePoet]

A pretty interesting master theory read from a site I'd never seen before... the writer suggest (among other things) that we perhaps have not seen the last of the REAL John Locke breathing in air, after all.

http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/bshapiro/2009/05/15/what-happens-next-on-lost/

This guy has some interesting thoughts that had never occurred to me. I'd suggest everyone give this a read.

:thumbsup Incredible.

[Tomato42]

Ben killing Jacob happened in 2007 not 1977.


is true? anyone else?

[clayj41]

is true? anyone else?

Yeah, it was 2007.

[PipeandaCrepe]

is true? anyone else?

its true

[Revolution36]

Does anyone know when ABC.com will be showing the entire fifth season? Right now they only have the last couple episodes.

[PipeandaCrepe]

this is the book jacob was reading when locke was thrown from the window. not sure if this was posted yet or not

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Everything_That_Rises_Must_Converge#Summary

[JaJunk]

Does anyone know when ABC.com will be showing the entire fifth season? Right now they only have the last couple episodes.

They have been doing that for awhile now, so I don't know if that is going to change.

[GinaNMU]

Have you guys seen this??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Btor75RnWK4

:lol:lol:lol Hilarious. And Matthew Fox looks f'in HOT (ya know, for the ladies).

[PipeandaCrepe]

Have you guys seen this??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Btor75RnWK4

:lol:lol:lol Hilarious. And Matthew Fox looks f'in HOT (ya know, for the ladies).

haha kimmel taking a shit with fox watching him

[mattyszow]

But isn't the mythology Egyptian focused?

1) it's only egyptian focused if you consider the one time we saw the statue in full completely focused. other than that, theres no direct egyptian link.

2) besides, basically ever "ancient" civilization - egyptians, greeks, persians, etc - share much of the same mythology, so specficially pulling one out above the others wouldnt right i dont think. i brought up the greeks b/c those two in particular seem to fit other aspects of the show.

[junior94]

For some reason I got in the mood to look over the first couple episodes of season 3 again, and I know I've brought up this point before, but it's like seeing such a glaring example just got me all aggravated again :p

See, I happen to believe that a strong sign of intelligence (not to mention enlightenment) is the ability to fully see and understand the point of view of both sides of a situation that you're involved in. You obviously know what you want and your objective is, but also to truly understand why the other side is doing what they are. And so this takes me back to the lingering issue of the Others always practically acting indignant at the fact that the Losties viewed them as a threat and hostile force from the beginning.

The main example I'm talking about that prompted this is the shooting of Colleen of the Others by Sun on Desmond's boat (that you may recall she used to sail with Jin & Sayid towards the 4-toed statue area in the s2 finale). Colleen comes down into the galley, a prepared Sun pulls a gun on her, but Colleen stresses she's not Sun's (& by extention the Losties') enemy, "but if you pull that trigger, that's exactly what we'll become".

No, of course we're not your enemy, all's we're doing after all is sneaking onto your boat in the middle of the night armed with heavy artillery with the intent of stealing it against your will. C'mon, that's more like the act of a friend, obviously!! :rolleyes :p

Yes, this is what's always bothered me about the Others. Yea back in season 2 the still bearded Tom says "This is not your island, this our island.. and the only reason you're living on it, is because we let you." Umm, hello, the 815'ers didn't ask to be placed on this island. And they certainly didn't know they were intruding on someone else's "property". How could they have been expected to possibly know that? What else are they supposed to do? Not like there's another house down the block they can move to :p

Pretty much every thing the 815'ers have ever done in response to the Others was a perfectly reasonable reaction, how could you do this stuff to people and not think what you're doing to be regarded as a threat and an enemy?

[JaJunk]

I won't be able to wait until the start of the next season. I need answers!!

[junior94]

http://www.cracked.com/blog/if-the-characters-on-lost-told-the-truth/

teeheeeheee

I think my favorite part's gotta be from Sawyer's:


I’m runnin’ outta nicknames. For the last month I’ve just been calling everybody “homo.”

:lol

[RJP2741]

:lol:lol:lol Jack's was great.

[JorgeCavos]

I just can't wait to see if my prediction is true, that when Jacob told fake-Locke "They're coming", he's referring to Jack, Sawyer, and the rest of the 70s gang who are about to be zapped back to the present to save the day. How badass.

[dreadd41]

I just can't wait to see if my prediction is true, that when Jacob told fake-Locke "They're coming", he's referring to Jack, Sawyer, and the rest of the 70s gang who are about to be zapped back to the present to save the day. How badass.

I think it's true. But who exactly will be zapped forward? Only the ones that shared a flashback with Jacob? If so, then Miles may be dead :(

[JaJunk]

I think it's true. But who exactly will be zapped forward? Only the ones that shared a flashback with Jacob? If so, then Miles may be dead :(

Juliette as well :(

[PipeandaCrepe]

I just can't wait to see if my prediction is true, that when Jacob told fake-Locke "They're coming", he's referring to Jack, Sawyer, and the rest of the 70s gang who are about to be zapped back to the present to save the day. How badass.

what do you mean by "save the day"?

[junior94]

I'm sure this was already brought up directly after the finale, but it kinda seemed stretching it and ridiculous even by LOST standards that Juliet survived that drop down the shaft. I mean c'mon, not just the distance itself, but in the midst of a whole bunch of other chaotic shit happening as well.

Also, I'll be curious to see why it is that necessarily detonating an atom bomb will magically catapult our important heros back into 2007 to finally be with the rest of the cast. I mean I'll wait to withhold judgment as obviously we don't know if that will be the case, hell we don't even know if the bomb was even supposed to have gone off, so...

[PipeandaCrepe]

I'm sure this was already brought up directly after the finale, but it kinda seemed stretching it and ridiculous even by LOST standards that Juliet survived that drop down the shaft. I mean c'mon, not just the distance itself, but in the midst of a whole bunch of other chaotic shit happening as well.

Also, I'll be curious to see why it is that necessarily detonating an atom bomb will magically catapult our important heros back into 2007 to finally be with the rest of the cast. I mean I'll wait to withhold judgment as obviously we don't know if that will be the case, hell we don't even know if the bomb was even supposed to have gone off, so...

juliet surviving the fall may have been made possible by jacob.

i think the bomb was supposed to go off. i think thats why we only see the foot of the statue that jacob lives in. but i'm not sure if i believe that the 1970s survivors will be catapulted forward in time.

[dowling25]

Anyone else think that Rose and Bernard were the founders of Dharma Initiative. They said they were "retired" and it seems like they know more than we think. I think that they got stuck farther in the past, plus they would need the fence code in order to get in and take the food that they have sitting all around.

[flyer3468]

I definitely think Rose and Bernard are much more important than anyone realizes, but I don't know about that. I'm very excited there's actually one season left. There's a lot of stuff to cover in the little amount of episodes left. I think this will easily be the best season of the show.

[JaJunk]

I'm sure this was already brought up directly after the finale, but it kinda seemed stretching it and ridiculous even by LOST standards that Juliet survived that drop down the shaft. I mean c'mon, not just the distance itself, but in the midst of a whole bunch of other chaotic shit happening as well.

Also, I'll be curious to see why it is that necessarily detonating an atom bomb will magically catapult our important heros back into 2007 to finally be with the rest of the cast. I mean I'll wait to withhold judgment as obviously we don't know if that will be the case, hell we don't even know if the bomb was even supposed to have gone off, so...
The island heals, remember? That's the only explanation possible.

[UNLTrpt]

Don't know if its been said or not but our next lost fix will come when Season 5 is released on December 8th.

[RJP2741]

I'm sure this was already brought up directly after the finale, but it kinda seemed stretching it and ridiculous even by LOST standards that Juliet survived that drop down the shaft. I mean c'mon, not just the distance itself, but in the midst of a whole bunch of other chaotic shit happening as well.

Also, I'll be curious to see why it is that necessarily detonating an atom bomb will magically catapult our important heros back into 2007 to finally be with the rest of the cast. I mean I'll wait to withhold judgment as obviously we don't know if that will be the case, hell we don't even know if the bomb was even supposed to have gone off, so...


I think Daniel's theory was that if you try to do something so drastic in the past, you can actually change the future. So his plan was to unearth the hydrogen bomb and blow up the island, therefore changing the future, eliminating the island and eliminating the possibility of the Losties crashing onto the island.

But as we've seen with some of the other things on the island, they are really just setting up their own future so to speak. If Kate and Sawyer don't save young Ben, he doesn't become Old Ben. I think their attempt to blow up the bomb is the "incident" that Dr. Chang refers to in the videos, and their attempt just continued to fulfill their own future.

[tankdan]

I think Daniel's theory was that if you try to do something so drastic in the past, you can actually change the future. So his plan was to unearth the hydrogen bomb and blow up the island, therefore changing the future, eliminating the island and eliminating the possibility of the Losties crashing onto the island.

But as we've seen with some of the other things on the island, they are really just setting up their own future so to speak. If Kate and Sawyer don't save young Ben, he doesn't become Old Ben. I think their attempt to blow up the bomb is the "incident" that Dr. Chang refers to in the videos, and their attempt just continued to fulfill their own future.

I agree, as much as I wanted to buy into Daniel's new reasoning about changing the future, I just couldn't accept his "variables = humans/free will" theory... As we could see from Jack deciding to not operate on young Ben, he THOUGHT he was making a choice but he was just playing his part in making young Ben into old (mean psycho) Ben.

This season is released in DECEMBER??? That sucks the big one.

Dan

[UNLTrpt]

I agree, as much as I wanted to buy into Daniel's new reasoning about changing the future, I just couldn't accept his "variables = humans/free will" theory... As we could see from Jack deciding to not operate on young Ben, he THOUGHT he was making a choice but he was just playing his part in making young Ben into old (mean psycho) Ben.

This season is released in DECEMBER??? That sucks the big one.

Dan

Last season was released in December. Its the same timeline as last year.

[PipeandaCrepe]

i've been watching the series again from season 1 and one thing that really stands out to me the second time through the show is the relationship / rivalry between jack and locke. these two have butted heads throughout the entire show due to their contrasting styles of leadership. their rivalry presents a duality that is a common theme in many other aspects of the show.

one scene that was particularly interesting was the first dialogue between jack and locke. jack is running through the jungle bc he is seeing his dead father. he stumbles and falls off a cliff but is caught by locke who happens to be running around the jungle himself. locke tells jack that the people on the beach are scared and are in need of a leader. jack tells locke he cant lead them because he doesn't have what it takes. furthermore, jack tells locke that he thinks he is going crazy for seeing his dead father in the jungle. locke tells jack that everything that happens on the island happens for a reason so he needs to suspend his judgement on his "hallucinations" of his father and see what happens when he catches him. when jack asks why, locke tells him a leader cant lead until he knows where he's going. jack ultimately catches his dead father at the caves where he discovers fresh water and shelter. when jack returns to the beach to bring people to the caves he then delivers his famous "live together die alone" speech that solidifies his position as the leader of the survivors.

i mentioned before that i really liked the link someone posted about how what the survivors did at "the incident" was the first time everyone was cooperating for a common purpose; something that jacob's nemesis didn't think was possible at the start of the show. if it does mean something that everyone cooperates, it is worth mentioning that this is the first time since that first dialogue b/w them that jack has listened to locke and cooperated with him (by going back to the island with the rest of the oceanic six).

i think jack and locke represent the yin and the yang; they are pretty much opposites yet they complete each other. jack needs locke and locke needs jack sorta thing. it will be interesting to see what happens to the real locke in season 6 and how he will interact with jack if / when he comes back to life now that jack believes in him.

[Krol]

1) it's only egyptian focused if you consider the one time we saw the statue in full completely focused. other than that, theres no direct egyptian link.


Ummm... not quite. Hieroglyphs in the hatch were Egyptian, the weave Jacob was making was an Egyptian eye.

[dh4645]

Ummm... not quite. Hieroglyphs in the hatch were Egyptian, the weave Jacob was making was an Egyptian eye.

maybe jacob just likes making that type of stuff.
maybe it's the only thing he's good at drawing.

[dh4645]

this thread died

on a tv.com article - top 10 characters that should be killed off

2. Hurley "Hugo" Reyes, Lost
Portrayed by: Jorge Garcia
Says our anonymous critic: "Wait! Hear me out! We love Hurley, we really do. But given that this is Lost's final season, we know we're going to lose some of our favorites for good. Charlie Pace died a hero, and as painful as it was to see him go, it propelled the story forward and delivered one of Lost's most moving moments. We see the same fate for lovable Hugo Hurley--a hero's demise. And we have to admit: we'd love to see old Smokey try and lift him and up."

[JTRocks]

i can see it happening...

and yes this thread did die, but its summertime and theres really nothing more to speculate about. when does the show start up again?

[dh4645]

i can see it happening...

and yes this thread did die, but its summertime and theres really nothing more to speculate about. when does the show start up again?

yeah i know

early 2010 i think

lots of time for yard work and video games before it starts up again.

[GinaNMU]

this thread died

on a tv.com article - top 10 characters that should be killed off

2. Hurley "Hugo" Reyes, Lost
Portrayed by: Jorge Garcia
Says our anonymous critic: "Wait! Hear me out! We love Hurley, we really do. But given that this is Lost's final season, we know we're going to lose some of our favorites for good. Charlie Pace died a hero, and as painful as it was to see him go, it propelled the story forward and delivered one of Lost's most moving moments. We see the same fate for lovable Hugo Hurley--a hero's demise. And we have to admit: we'd love to see old Smokey try and lift him and up."

See this is the reason he SHOULDN'T be...we've already gone through the "hero's demise" or whatever with Charlie, and we STILL haven't seen a payoff for that (umm, WHY did Charlie have to die again?) haha

[UNLTrpt]

See this is the reason he SHOULDN'T be...we've already gone through the "hero's demise" or whatever with Charlie, and we STILL haven't seen a payoff for that (umm, WHY did Charlie have to die again?) haha

Charlie sacrificed himself so he could find out that the people on the boat were not Penny's boat...thus leading the losties to not trust the people on the boat and then not getting themselves killed.

[JaJunk]

yeah i know

early 2010 i think

lots of time for yard work and video games before it starts up again.

They should make a Lost video game.

[tankdan]

Last season was released in December. Its the same timeline as last year.

The suckiness remains. :) They should take a page from 24 and give us something to tide us over...

Dan

[jmanheels]

They should make a Lost video game.

Already done.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lost:_Via_Domus

[JTRocks]

anyone know if the game is anygood? I know it god bad reviews but maybe i'm a huge lost fan ill still like it

[Bartndrpleez]

anyone know if the game is anygood? I know it god bad reviews but maybe i'm a huge lost fan ill still like it

I played it at my buddy's place this weekend. It's ok. I only got through about 20 minutes of gameplay. I could go either way with it. Sucks they didn't have the actors do the voices. That's a big minus in my book. It's a pretty straight forward RPG.

[JaJunk]

Don't know if it is new or not, but Hurley's commercial on ABC just gave me a chuckle.

[UNLTrpt]

The suckiness remains. :) They should take a page from 24 and give us something to tide us over...

Dan

They should not take a page from 24...because 24 sucks.

[UNC41]

Could we be seeing more Charlie in the final season?

http://www.tvguide.com/News/Lost-Charlie-Alive-1006674.aspx

[RJP2741]

I hope we do, although I hope they don't bring him back alive like the article suggested. More Charlie is always welcome, imo.

[GinaNMU]

Charlie sacrificed himself so he could find out that the people on the boat were not Penny's boat...thus leading the losties to not trust the people on the boat and then not getting themselves killed.

Yeah I know, but originally he went down there and wanted to sacrifice himself b/c of Desmond's vision of Claire and Aaron getting rescued/getting on a helicopter, right? Obviously that didn't and won't happen.

[UNLTrpt]

Yeah I know, but originally he went down there and wanted to sacrifice himself b/c of Desmond's vision of Claire and Aaron getting rescued/getting on a helicopter, right? Obviously that didn't and won't happen.

really? you're counting that out?

[GinaNMU]

really? you're counting that out?

How would it happen do you think? Wouldn't Aaron have to come back to the island in order for him and Claire to reunite and get on the helicopter?

[Talula62]

How would it happen do you think? Wouldn't Aaron have to come back to the island in order for him and Claire to reunite and get on the helicopter? I think a better question is, why would Claire leave if she's not actually alive? I know we don't know if she's dead or alive but it seems more likely right now that she's dead and just floating around on the island like Christian and what not. Aaron, on the other hand, I could totally see popping up in S6. Either he figures out how to travel back in time and lands on the island when everyone else is there (if that is consistent with the time travel rules... I can't even begin to figure that out right now) or they flash forward in time to some point when Aaron is older, discovers the island's existence, and manages to take himself there.

[junior94]

Man I look back now on the season finale, and once we saw that opening scene of Jacob and the "Nemesis", he drops that line about wanting so badly to kill him and one of these days he'll find his loophole... well, considering that even before the finale I already knew something was definitely "off" about Locke, that it probably wasn't the real Locke, I can't imagine how in the hell I didn't see the ending coming, that it was the Nemesis inhabiting Locke's "spirit", or whatever you wanna call it, since Locke was SO intent on killing Jacob.

But, that's a hallmark of great writing. The best ending should be one that's at once both totally unexpected, and yet the only conceivable result.

[junior94]

How would it happen do you think? Wouldn't Aaron have to come back to the island in order for him and Claire to reunite and get on the helicopter?

I think a better question is, why would Claire leave if she's not actually alive? I know we don't know if she's dead or alive but it seems more likely right now that she's dead and just floating around on the island like Christian and what not. Aaron, on the other hand, I could totally see popping up in S6. Either he figures out how to travel back in time and lands on the island when everyone else is there (if that is consistent with the time travel rules... I can't even begin to figure that out right now) or they flash forward in time to some point when Aaron is older, discovers the island's existence, and manages to take himself there.

As much as things may appear to the contrary, I'm counting on our boys to stay true to that whole plotline and still wind up paying off Desmond's vision. Because yea while in the grand scope at the time there was the idea of Charlie doing that to save "everyone" so the boat could come, but his primary motivating factor was the knowledge of Claire & Aaron specifically getting whisked away on a helicopter, according to Des' vision.

Besides, after what we learned in the finale, I'm kinda considering a lot of the "rules" that we've learned about the cabin to, while not necessarily totally thrown out the window, but certainly up in the air. From what Ilana said when they visited it, Jacob hadn't been around the cabin in a LONG ass time, which means everything we've ever seen has pretty much been a malevolent force then in my mind, and not necessarily to be taken on face value (including certainly seeing Claire in the same "state" or "form" as the definitely dead Christian).


EDIT: and I didn't notice this upon first viewing. Go back and look at the actress they got to play a young Kate in the first Jacob flashback scene. She looks FREAKISHLY like a young Evie. I mean that was dead on casting.

[junior94]

Finally some news, boys and girls. Actually, considering the muzzle that's usually put on the actors in the offseasons (and during them, for that matter), Foxie recently gave a surprisingly thorough explanation of what he knows for the narrative structure about the final season.

I'm not sure how "spoilery" I should say this is. I mean it doesn't like give away any specific things of course, but again, it's way more than I would've thought we'd hear this early into the break.

http://www.tvguide.com/News/Fox-Lost-preview-1006821.aspx

[tankdan]

Cool, good find, Kevin ^^^

Isn't it amazing how far this show has come from Seasons 1 and 2? I didn't start watching until Season 2 (caught up on Season 1 in one weekend) but I remember thinking to myself, "Oh, right, that show where they crash on an island... How long can THAT last?"

Dan

[junior94]

Whoa, my ABC right now (12:37am in the east) is playing a season 2 repeat. Anyone ever seen this happen before? :ugh

[Revolution36]

http://tv.ign.com/articles/999/999005p1.html

:hump:hump:hump

[jmkratt]

http://tv.ign.com/articles/999/999005p1.html

:hump:hump:hump

Nice :thumbsup:cool

[il bacio dolce]

It just now occured to me that some of the spoilers I'd read before the finale didn't happen in the finale. :lol
Next year no spoilers, or even speculation, just go with it.

[DreamingTree#41]

Best show ever

[junior94]

Alright so I know this'll seem totally random but... I was watching the finale again earlier, well parts of it, and I happened to notice in the opening scene where we see Jacob first making the thread, they show that little pit of fire (the one in which he gets dumped into in the end), and it's got a bunch of ash/sand in it, and it looked awfully like whatever exactly that substance was that surrounded the cabin... :rolleyes

[junior94]

New interview with Damon & Carlton!

http://www.digitalspy.com/tv/a163300/exclusive-team-darlton-talk-lost.html

[junior94]

Alright so who's got 2 thumbs, and is the loser with three straight unreplied to posts?? THIS GUY!! :thumbsup

(I think that's actually the first time ever I've used the thumbs up smiley :p


Anyway, bit of fringe news... here we have an old school TV writer/producer suing ABC claiming he came up with the idea for "LOST" as a TV pilot many moons ago, including pointing out key similarities.

http://www.tmz.com/2009/07/13/man-claims-he-got-lost-first/

The many commenters on the article raise, as you may notice, the obvious question -- why the hell did this guy wait until NOW to bother with this?

I smells somefing scwewwy...

[Knoxvillain]

Alright so who's got 2 thumbs, and is the loser with three straight unreplied to posts?? THIS GUY!! :thumbsup

(I think that's actually the first time ever I've used the thumbs up smiley :p


Anyway, bit of fringe news... here we have an old school TV writer/producer suing ABC claiming he came up with the idea for "LOST" as a TV pilot many moons ago, including pointing out key similarities.

http://www.tmz.com/2009/07/13/man-claims-he-got-lost-first/

The many commenters on the article raise, as you may notice, the obvious question -- why the hell did this guy wait until NOW to bother with this?

I smells somefing scwewwy...

Dude he wrote it while he was in the Dharma Initiative :lol

[junior94]

KAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHNNNNNNN!!!!!!!

Or, rather, the 2009 Comic Con :p

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruNjVeEBA_I

LOST panel, first of 4 parts, see the description for links to the others

[GinaNMU]

KAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHNNNNNNN!!!!!!!

Or, rather, the 2009 Comic Con :p

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruNjVeEBA_I

LOST panel, first of 4 parts, see the description for links to the others

This was pretty sweet....lots of hints as to who will be around and what will happen (supposedly) though at the start of the reason.

[JTRocks]

thanks, i'll have to take a looksee later

[Talula62]

KAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHNNNNNNN!!!!!!!

Or, rather, the 2009 Comic Con :p

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruNjVeEBA_I

LOST panel, first of 4 parts, see the description for links to the others

:lol Funny shit in there. Damnit, Michael Emerson is so awesome.

[UNLTrpt]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlhkqAwEgvQ

[hbktonyb]

Mr. Cluck's, here I come

[DoDaFoo]

The Season 6 poster is pretty interesting. 26 people on it, some of whom are no longer with us...

[UNLTrpt]

The Season 6 poster is pretty interesting. 26 people on it, some of whom are no longer with us...

don't just talk about it...post it dammit.

[DoDaFoo]

http://www.bryanallain.com/images/lostfinal.jpg

http://www.bryanallain.com/images/lostfinal2.jpg

[DoDaFoo]

Here's a closer shot from a different angle.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_RrObyQ3XzcY/Sm2V79m0SAI/AAAAAAAAvhA/XJdf8dLIlY4/s1600/LostS6.jpg


POSSIBLE SPOILERS FOLLOW:









































From left to right, the poster appears to be:

Faraday, Boone, Michael??, Richard??, Ana Lucia, Charlotte, Shannon, Desmond, Mr Eko, Kate, Jack, Sawyer, Locke (with his back turned in the middle glancing over his shoulder), Ben, Sayid, Libby??, Sun, Jin, Claire, Hurley, Juliette, Charlie?, Frank?, Miles, Bernard and Rose.

I may be wrong on a couple of these, but I'm pretty sure about most of them, even some of the ones I put a question mark by.

[junior94]

^^ I'm assuming that's from artwork floating around Comic Con as well?

Thing is, is anyone else really all that surprised by this mention that we're going to again see several past characters who haven't been around for awhile, if even just for a fleeting moment? I wasn't. I mean this is obviously the last hurrah, and there's already been lots of times where just because someone was dead in "the present", the last thing that meant was we'd never seen them on screen again.

Of course, it's only good if there's a valid purpose for it, and not just an excuse for an extended cast reunion on set every other day, but I'd imagine we all have the trust in Darlton that it'll play well dramatically.

[Revolution36]

http://lostuniversity.org/

WTF?

[Revolution36]

Also...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEl465XJGOg&feature=related

This looks pretty fucked up, especially the last 15-20 seconds.

[dh4645]

http://lostuniversity.org/

WTF?

awesome
what is actually going to happen on 9/22/09 (the enrollment date)????

[Talula62]

Also...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEl465XJGOg&feature=related

This looks pretty fucked up, especially the last 15-20 seconds.

I read something about this yesterday, don't remember how/why -- apparently the footage at the end is from that Nic Cage movie, Knowing (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0448011/).

Lost University is... very odd. :lol

[Revolution36]

I read something about this yesterday, don't remember how/why -- apparently the footage at the end is from that Nic Cage movie, Knowing (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0448011/).

Lost University is... very odd. :lol

so the video's a fake:mad i should have seen that coming lol

as for "lost university", looks like it could be pretty interesting. although..the name is really cheesy. all of their other viral teaser promotions from previous years looked way more intriging. "lost school" just sounds wierd, i guess only time will tell.

[newscane]

awesome
what is actually going to happen on 9/22/09 (the enrollment date)????
dunno what will happen, but that date is 5 years since the first episode/crash of O815...

[junior94]

Okay, we all know the big question from the finale is, did the hydrogen bomb work? Well I had this thought hit me out of the blue yesterday, and when you think about it, actually the answer seems so incredibly simple (keep in mind I've been pretty sick the last few days :p) but I concede, maybe I'm applying too much "real world" logic to the situation, and I need to have more suspension of disbelief.

The entire time we've been watching the Losties back in Dharmaville in the late 70's, we've also been watching some of our castaways in "present day" 2007 on the island, having just returned to it via Ajira Air. Which, think about it... wouldn't the fact that we've seen all of that already answer the question? That is, if Juliet did in fact successfully detonate the bomb and it changed time back in 1977 -- wouldn't the present day 2007 we've been watching further flesh that reality out? If the bomb did indeed go off and they "reset" time so flight 815 never crashed, NONE of that stuff we've seen in 2007 would've been happening, right? Because hell if the plane never crashed, Jin was never there so Sun certainly wouldn't be returning there to see if he was still alive, right? (just to use one small example of the many characters/situations going on)

See, when it occurred to me it seemed so incredibly simple, which is one reason that makes me think it can't possibly be :lol

[JTRocks]

New Oceanic Airlines commercial - "30 years with a perfect safety record" ???

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfoqYmGS6Xw

[Talula62]

So, if Oceanic exists and Hurley owns a chicken joint... I don't really like the idea that the bomb "worked."

[Revolution36]

So, if Oceanic exists and Hurley owns a chicken joint... I don't really like the idea that the bomb "worked."

What do you mean?

In the 'commercial', he says he just got back from a trip to Australia. (This tells us that 815 never crashes...meaning the bomb DID work).

[Talula62]

What do you mean?

In the 'commercial', he says he just got back from a trip to Australia. (This tells us that 815 never crashes...meaning the bomb DID work).Right, I didn't really like the idea that the bomb worked and the plane never crashed, but only because I was thinking that meant that none of them are on the island anymore.

But then I read more about what was said and done at Comic-Con -- I wasn't getting the whole thing about a possible alternate timeline or what looks like an alternate timeline right now...

[junior94]

The more I think about it, I think the answer of was time reset or not will wind up being something somewhere "in the middle" of those two. Now, don't ask what in the hell could possibly constitute that right now, but I've got a sneaking suspicion when we see the beginning of season 6 and how the finale is dealt with, "in the middle" may wind up best summing up what it is that's happened.

Because think about it -- hell they even bothered to have Jorge Garcia show up at Comic Con and say point blank, that to make it so that the first 5 years didn't happen would be a huge cheat. And yet, it can't be entirely the other option either, because there's no suspense in that whatsoever, you'd already know right now what's happened. As we've seen typically, LOST offseasons don't work like that. We've often been left wondering how the show can possibly strive on from where we left off.

And also remember, when Sun first meets Richard Alpert of 2007 on the island, he tells her that "all your friends died here 30 years ago". (or whatever it exactly was)

[Talula62]

The more I think about it, I think the answer of was time reset or not will wind up being something somewhere "in the middle" of those two. Now, don't ask what in the hell could possibly constitute that right now, but I've got a sneaking suspicion when we see the beginning of season 6 and how the finale is dealt with, "in the middle" may wind up best summing up what it is that's happened.

And also remember, when Sun first meets Richard Alpert of 2007 on the island, he tells her that "all your friends died here 30 years ago". (or whatever it exactly was)
Yeah, definitely. It can't reset it entirely because, not just because it'd be way wrong to erase the last 5 seasons, but because you know they have to be on the island to deal with Jacob and Locke/Essau and all of that but if they're off the island working at Mr. Cluck's and being on America's Most Wanted... then Season 6 will have to be about getting back to the island and they've already done that.

Oh yeah, I forgot about that. I've been thinking that time was reset off the island but not on it, but then there's pesky Richard saying he "saw" them die. Didn't he say he saw them die? (Or at least he thinks he did.)

[tosssweep]

What if...

Time only resets on the Losties that were in 1977? Let's see if I can explain this... so, there are two groups on the island "at the same time." I mean that their lives are a linear path (birth to death) and time is a destination (the whens of 1977 and 2007), then perhaps the bomb explodes in 1977 resulting in two things. 1) the desolation of the island as experienced by those in 2007, and 2) somehow? the reset of the 1977 Losties. It doesn't quite work but is interesting...

Also, in other interview Darlton have conceded that certain things are not "recognized canon" meaning that, while interesting or thought provoking, they are not to be taken as pure fact in the story of Lost but rather as simple marketing maneuvers or whatever. Could these little commercials be nothing more than advertising teasers?

[junior94]

A really beautiful video compilation that I found very recently that I wanted to share :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8aaZ6Br2Ws

[tankdan]

A really beautiful video compilation that I found very recently that I wanted to share :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8aaZ6Br2Ws

Sexy.

That song made me cry when Dr. Greene died on "ER," and this was a nice montage, too.

Dan

[hbktonyb]

I'm going to shed many a tear when Lost is off the air officially...

[junior94]

Had a totally radical thought occur to me while in the shower today (likely helped along by the fact that generally speaking I'm in complete awe of my wet naked body, so...) It's generally accepted that the ship seen approaching the island in the beginning of the s5 finale was almost certainly a depiction of when The Black Rock first came, and it's been widely speculated for a long time now that the slave ship is the way in which Richard Alpert first came to the island. And, we got our confirmation from the s5 finale that it was Jacob who made Richard (apparently) immortal.

Well... considering the man in black ("Esau" or whatever) was long looking for a loophole to exploit to kill Jacob, and he finally accomplished this loophole by taking possession of deceased John Locke's body (and Jacob knew the Nemesis long wanted to kill him) it made me wonder if Jacob had this at all in mind when he bestowed this gift of longevity onto Richard, that it was a way of guarding against this concept. And we know now from the Comic Con that we'll definitely be getting more of Richard's backstory in the final season.

Of course the next logical question would be well then maybe why didn't he do the same thing to Locke, since Locke's death is what allowed the loophole to be exploited... well hell, I don't know. Get back to me after my next shower.

[junior94]

god I fucking love the internet :lol

http://www.tvsquad.com/2009/06/18/what-if-lost-were-a-sitcom-from-the-nineties/

[Bartndrpleez]

god I fucking love the internet :lol

http://www.tvsquad.com/2009/06/18/what-if-lost-were-a-sitcom-from-the-nineties/

O. M. G.

The airplane scene at 0:45 of the Full House parody hurt my stomach. Funniest vids I've seen in a while. :lol:lol:lol

[UNLTrpt]

god I fucking love the internet :lol

http://www.tvsquad.com/2009/06/18/what-if-lost-were-a-sitcom-from-the-nineties/

The Full House one was spot on.

And after watching all of those clips...were all the theme songs in the 90's pretty much preformed by one guy?

[sdkelso]

I'm about halfway through the third season. Not a bad show at all.

[hbktonyb]

I'm about halfway through the third season. Not a bad show at all.

"Not a bad show"??

How about best show ever?

[clcfball11]

"Not a bad show"??

How about best show ever?

:thumbsup:thumbsup:thumbsup

[TwoStep2888]

I'm about halfway through the third season. Not a bad show at all.

Mid-Season 3 is when things really start picking the fuck up. Enjoy.

[sdkelso]

Just finished season three. It doesn't top House for me, but yes, this is a very very good show. I did, however, think the end of the third season had a few flaws. Charlie's death was way too drawn out; he really should've died in the Greatest Hits episode. It could have been handled much better. And the finale was great, but it was predictable. I figured it was a flashforward from the beginning. It was just a completely different style than the flashbacks and you could tell it was building to something and there was only one logical conclusion. I can't think of anything better than what they did, but I had hoped they would. And in general, the whole show seems to borrow ideas from everywhere (Cast Away, Survivor, the Stand, Myst). It's not nessicarily bad, but there's not much that hasn't been done before. But like I said, I am really enjoying this show. I don't watch much TV at all and I'm glad I decided to give this a try. Can't wait to rewatch it from the beginning, should be a good time.

Also it's really interesting backreading this thread. Lots of humorous comments in the first few pages.

Okay, starting season four now. Wish me luck.

[Talula62]

Dude, Season 4 and Season 5 are so much better than S2 and S3. You're in for a treat. I wonder what you'll think about House after catching up...

[junior94]

Dude, Season 4 and Season 5 are so much better than S2 and S3. You're in for a treat. I wonder what you'll think about House after catching up...

Woman, you've no longer got any excuse for not having yet added HOUSE to your to-do list. I've actually been meaning to especially needle you about this the last few days :p


Btw, EZTV is reporting that the title for the season 6 premiere is already out there, and known as "LAX", as in the shorthand code for Los Angeles International Airport, but I'd like to see an actual confirmation by Darlton and/or ABC first.

OK I gotta ease up with the acronyms PDQ, just, ya know... FYI.

[junior94]

Just finished season three. It doesn't top House for me, but yes, this is a very very good show. I did, however, think the end of the third season had a few flaws. Charlie's death was way too drawn out; he really should've died in the Greatest Hits episode. It could have been handled much better. And the finale was great, but it was predictable. I figured it was a flashforward from the beginning. It was just a completely different style than the flashbacks and you could tell it was building to something and there was only one logical conclusion. I can't think of anything better than what they did, but I had hoped they would. And in general, the whole show seems to borrow ideas from everywhere (Cast Away, Survivor, the Stand, Myst). It's not nessicarily bad, but there's not much that hasn't been done before. But like I said, I am really enjoying this show. I don't watch much TV at all and I'm glad I decided to give this a try. Can't wait to rewatch it from the beginning, should be a good time.

Also it's really interesting backreading this thread. Lots of humorous comments in the first few pages.

Okay, starting season four now. Wish me luck.

Well first of all, it's virtually impossible at this point in human history to do anything that TRULY has never been done, so I figure that's pretty much out the window. The creative team has in fact always been rather proud of the number of literary and other influences they've drawn on to tell their own particular story. (though I scoff on pure principle at your listing of "Survivor" :rolleyes :p)

This is obviously impossible to do now, but I'm just curious that if you'd been watching the show from the start like the rest of us and had the viewing spread out over the years, if you still would've guessed on the spot that the s3 finale contained the flash-forward. Because unless I'm greatly mistaken, the large majority of us did not see that coming. Maybe we could tell there was something "off" (and well hey, it was already a season finale so you knew it wouldn't be simple and straight forward) but I think a lot of people would be lying if they said they figured it out a almost immediately it was a FF.

But yea the break from s3 to s4 was the toughest one for us, as it was the first time we'd had to wait a full 6 months inbetween new eps.

[sdkelso]

This is obviously impossible to do now, but I'm just curious that if you'd been watching the show from the start like the rest of us and had the viewing spread out over the years, if you still would've guessed on the spot that the s3 finale contained the flash-forward. Because unless I'm greatly mistaken, the large majority of us did not see that coming. Maybe we could tell there was something "off" (and well hey, it was already a season finale so you knew it wouldn't be simple and straight forward) but I think a lot of people would be lying if they said they figured it out a almost immediately it was a FF.

I knew Lost was a complex show, so I avoided reading anything about it as I was watching it. I assure you I had no outside information that would lead me to believe that it was a flashforward. Like I said, it just had a really weird "shrouded in mystery" feel to it that none of the flashbacks had any sign of. I actually find it hard to believe that very few people found the new chief of surgery that Jack seemed to meet after some sort of hiatus a sign that it was a flashforward.

Basically my reasoning: Cast Away beard immedietaly put into my mind "rescue plane". The "flashback" didn't seem to have a real point if you understand me. Most of them so far somehow tied in with the story; this story was rescue. There was a very off feeling; most of the flashbacks were pretty straightforward - you could tell this one was building to a final... declaration if you will. In order for it to be worthy of a season finale, it would have to be some sort of twist. I couldn't place it within Jack's past (new chief of surgery in particular). Jack's comments about his father could be easily dismissed because he was drunk/high. Et cetera, et cetera. I don't know, I just figured it out pretty quickly.

But like you said, we'll never know how I would have felt if I had watched it from the beginning and I imagine the Lost fanbase found it quite the season finale.

Does anyone know where I can stream the season five episodes? They don't seem to be out on DVD yet.

[sdkelso]

If it makes you feel any better, I have no idea what the fuck is going on with the flashforwards at the beginning of season four. I really hope this series doesn't get too complex and over-indulgent. I can easily see it getting carried away from this point. Season one is still my favorite because of the subtle simplicity of the mysteries (polar bears, the radio tower, the (unopened) hatch). Hopefully it doesn't get too complicated for its own good.

[Talula62]

Woman, you've no longer got any excuse for not having yet added HOUSE to your to-do list. I've actually been meaning to especially needle you about this the last few days :p Meh. Medical shows skeeve me out. I just can't get into them.

[Revolution36]

If it makes you feel any better, I have no idea what the fuck is going on with the flashforwards at the beginning of season four. I really hope this series doesn't get too complex and over-indulgent. I can easily see it getting carried away from this point. Season one is still my favorite because of the subtle simplicity of the mysteries (polar bears, the radio tower, the (unopened) hatch). Hopefully it doesn't get too complicated for its own good.

are you watching season 4 on dvd? if so, one of the special features on the last dsic is the ability to watch all of the 'flash forwards' in chronological order. when you're done, you should check it out, as it really helped me.

[sean52692]

Just started watching on Netflix. Almost done with season 1. I am ADDICTED.

[sdkelso]

are you watching season 4 on dvd? if so, one of the special features on the last dsic is the ability to watch all of the 'flash forwards' in chronological order. when you're done, you should check it out, as it really helped me.

Yep I did this and you're right, it all made alot more sense.

[Revolution36]

Yep I did this and you're right, it all made alot more sense.

cool. let me know if you find season 5 online anywhere. my girlfriend is trying to watch it, but we cant find it anywhere. only the last 5 episodes on ABC.com and Hulu.

[Revolution36]

Just started watching on Netflix. Almost done with season 1. I am ADDICTED.

nice. welcome to the (best?:hug) show on tv

[sean52692]

nice. welcome to the (best?:hug) show on tv

Awesome. I'm planning on finishing season 1 tonight man. When does the next season start this year (season 6?)?

[sdkelso]

cool. let me know if you find season 5 online anywhere. my girlfriend is trying to watch it, but we cant find it anywhere. only the last 5 episodes on ABC.com and Hulu.

The DVD comes out in Demember, so I decided I'd just wait. The new season starts next year (ie after December), correct? And it will be the last one?

[DoDaFoo]

Late January/ early February.

And yes, it will be the last one.

[Revolution36]

Awesome. I'm planning on finishing season 1 tonight man. When does the next season start this year (season 6?)?

January. The final season. It will be bittersweet for sure.

[RJP2741]

I recently got my girlfriend hooked on this show (finally!!). Just finished up the 3rd season with her and I never realized how strong the end of that season is with The Man Behind The Curtain, Greatest Hits, and then Through The Looking Glass. Some of my favorite episodes from the whole show. I can't wait for January.

[GinaNMU]

I recently got my girlfriend hooked on this show (finally!!). Just finished up the 3rd season with her and I never realized how strong the end of that season is with The Man Behind The Curtain, Greatest Hits, and then Through The Looking Glass. Some of my favorite episodes from the whole show. I can't wait for January.

Ugh, Greatest Hits was heartwrenching. I love that episode.

"The Day I Met You" :(

[sean52692]

Off to watch season 2. this is a good show.

[sean52692]

AWESOME! Just heard Stay (Wasting Time) on the episode I'm on!!!!!!

[sdkelso]

Best Lost music moment was "Delicate" for sure.

[sean52692]

Season 2 is pissing the fuck outta me. damn.

[junior94]

So I caught that Fray song "You Found Me" again on the radio when out driving yesterday (I'd never even heard it before the season 5 trailer) and it got in my head to check youtube if there was any fan-made videos done of the show but using the complete song, since obviously the official trailer was a much edited down version.

god bless youtube and inspired creative people :D The song now is irrevocably linked in my head with this show.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nF2YjSd1MCo

[junior94]

Best Lost music moment was "Delicate" for sure.

LOST in fact is the way I first ever discovered Damien Rice, from that episode where "Delicate" was used. I mean, in retrospect I'm sure I caught part of Blower's Daughter when it had been used in the trailers for "Closer" years before, but I guess it wasn't enough to really stick in my head. The show is also how I first heard of Joe Purdy, when "Wash Away" was used in Tablua Rusa.

Season 2 is pissing the fuck outta me. damn.

Yea, season 2 definitely had some faulty stretches. Just hang in there.

[weller3377]

just put Season 1 on Blu Ray on my Queue for Blockbuster Online. Woooooooo

[UNLTrpt]

Has anybody caught the previews for FlashForward (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FlashForward)?

Its based on Robert Sawyers novel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flashforward_(novel)).

Some lost actors are in it including Dominic Monaghan and Sonya Walger (Penny). I guess Seth McFarland will have a reoccurring role as well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_ngEMPRxoI

Looks kinda good if you ask me.

[sean52692]

Watching season 3.

[junior94]

So in the original CC panel videos that were put up several weeks ago, some of the fan-made content that they screened, the guy who made those videos was asked to leave out that stuff, part of which was a video the show themselves produced that I'd really wanted to see, a goof on Michael Emerson having supposedly auditioned for the role of Hurley way back before the pilot. I only now just thought to go back and check if that made it up anywhere else, it did.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1GtuEjrC84

[Revolution36]

b u m p .

I'm getting so excited =)

http://tv.ign.com/articles/102/1023829p1.html

[JorgeCavos]

Watching season 3.

Let us know when you hit the finale then share your thoughts.

I've watched since 9/22/04 and just started rewatching with a friend who's never watched it. We're five episodes into Season 1 an she's loving it. And i'm remembering so much shit I forgot, this last season is gonna be so fantastic.

[luke7]

Taking a look at the aol site just reminded me how LOST will get robbed of another Emmy award again this weekend.