LOST (the tv show)

[mja271]

Wtf am I watching right now?

[water_into_wine]

Cindy!!!

Lists!!!!

Also I was kind of wrong about Juliet. Not sure if Miles is lying though. I don't think he is because of how the camera acted, but it wouldn't surprise me if he was. But "It worked" was a great line. Going to create a lot of doubt in Sawyer. Be interesting to see his character conflicts.

[dh4645]

Commercials are out of hand. Jesus. Credir

Crrrr

Cr

luckily this is only the 3rd one i had to see.

started it late a ffwded through the first hrs commercials

[joepsu0985]

No Shannon on the plane. Why?

[water_into_wine]

He didn't actually save anyone with the pen, he asked Boone to go find one, but he saved Rose.

Alright, thanks :)

Couldn't remember for the life of me.

[Beebz]

Can't decide if this premire is good or a massive letdown after nine months. Last halfhour is key. Could go either way.

[hbktonyb]

future...it worked

[luke7]

future...it worked

The delivering of the letter almost like in Back To The Future ?

[hbktonyb]

The delivering of the letter almost like in Back To The Future ?

yes sir....ill explain all later

[dh4645]

No Shannon on the plane. Why?

who knows.

yeah, another commercial

[RJP2741]

I hope there's more to it than what has been laid out so far in terms of the two time periods we're seeing.

And wtf, why did they just randomly kill Sayid?

[DoOrDoNotNoTry]

This show has jumped the shark. I've been with it from the beginning, but this fountain of youth shit is just ridiculous.

[JaJunk]

I guess Desmond was time travelling again while he was on the plane, considering he disappeared?

[mja271]

Well see what happens at the end here, but this has been a big let down so far

[Beebz]

I hope there's more to it than what has been laid out so far in terms of the two time periods we're seeing. And wtf, why did they just randomly kill Sayid?

Come on, you don't think he's dead do you?

And yeah, this alternate reality where they land is uber lame. Maybe it'll pay off though.

[Lesley424]

New Locke is an asshole.

[water_into_wine]

Right now, I'm entertained but confused.

I think we all just need to have faith in the writers.

[water_into_wine]

New Locke is awesome.

Fixed.

I love Terry O'Quinn. He's honestly stolen the show in the 5 minutes of actual airtime he has had in this episode.

[andrewj063]

Did you see the look on the monster's face?! Holy cow....

[Beebz]

This show has jumped the shark. I've been with it from the beginning, but this fountain of youth shit is just ridiculous.

Eaaaaasy. Lost has a way of turning the traditionally preposterous into the plausable. Stick with it.

[dh4645]

Well see what happens at the end here, but this has been a big let down so far

i agree.
we'll see how it goes though.

it's not like i'm not going to watch the rest of the season. hah

[water_into_wine]

Did you see the look on the monster's face?! Holy cow....

Let's no resort to name-calling...

[RJP2741]

Come on, you don't think he's dead do you?

And yeah, this alternate reality where they land is uber lame. Maybe it'll pay off though.

I'm hoping it does, I can't imagine they would layout the whole idea for this season in the finale. I don't know if I want a whole season of the on-island Losties trying to figure out what they have to do to make their consciousnesses time travel to their LAX selves. And I really don't like the idea of the ending being a restart. I want a big twist before it ends tonight...

[maytoes]

wtf is going on

[luke7]

Fixed.

I love Terry O'Quinn. He's honestly stolen the show in the 5 minutes of actual airtime he has had in this episode.

Terry rules this ep and he has only been in it a few mins.

I'm not letdown by the episode. It's only the first one of the season.

[maytoes]

Let's no resort to name-calling...

:lol i loved that

[water_into_wine]

Eaaaaasy. Lost has a way of turning the traditionally preposterous into the plausable. Stick with it.

Besides saying the show has jumped the shark already is a hilarious statement. Smoke monster, polar bears on an island, a moving Cabin, unseen whisperers, people who can talk to dead people, time travel, etc. Much weirder things have happened then a "fountain of youth". The island has always had healing powers anyway.

[Beebz]

Did you see the look on the monster's face?! Holy cow....
That's a good way to describe locke now: the monster.

Hmmm, miles said "nothing." Cause he couldn't get anything from Sayid, cause he aint dead?

[Beebz]

Whoops, wrong about the coffin.

[Beebz]

OQuinns getting an Emmy.

[Lesley424]

Fixed.

I love Terry O'Quinn. He's honestly stolen the show in the 5 minutes of actual airtime he has had in this episode.

Oh don't get me wrong, I love it. BAMF

[luke7]

More questions.

[dh4645]

sayid!
or is it jacob?
haha jk

[Beebz]

Ill give this one a B. Pretty good placesetter.

[joepsu0985]

They are just setting the stage. It had to be done.

[dmb@uvm]

kinda weak.

[water_into_wine]

Whoops, wrong about the coffin.

I have a feeling Jack's Dad is going to be the subject of that "private conversation".


Let the theories begin!

:lol at next weeks tagline btw

[RJP2741]

Any chance they were taking Jack to go talk to Christian?

To the post above me :thumbsup:thumbsup

[DavMattBandrums]

what. the. fuck?

[clayj41]

Solid enough. I wasn't really expecting anything too groundbreaking.

[water_into_wine]

Ill give this one a B. Pretty good placesetter.

:thumbsup I agree. A little ticked about how many new questions and plot holes they might have opened, but it looks like this thing will race forward.

O'Quinn talking about Locke's last thoughts was a great scene.

[joepsu0985]

yes sir....ill explain all later

well lets hear it.

[mja271]

Didn't like that much at all. Still got the whole season ahead of us, I just didn't like the stuff that was laid out. All of the temple people and shit inside seemed like a bit much to me.

[RJP2741]

:thumbsup I agree. A little ticked about how many new questions and plot holes they might have opened, but it looks like this thing will race forward.

O'Quinn talking about Locke's last thoughts was a great scene.

He was absolutely phenomenal tonight.

[dh4645]

i liked when sawyer asked jack what his plan was for saving sayid (near the beginning of the show)

"maybe there's a nuke laying around"

hahah

[DavMattBandrums]

Didn't like that much at all. Still got the whole season ahead of us, I just didn't like the stuff that was laid out. All of the temple people and shit inside seemed like a bit much to me.

agreed.

[Sutmaster6]

Is that the same fountain that saved young Ben?

[RJP2741]

Is that the same fountain that saved young Ben?

I would assume so.

[RJP2741]

Jacob is in Sayid's body.

[maytoes]

i agree as well leo.

[Sutmaster6]

Jacob is in Sayid's body.

:thumbsup I was just thinking that.

[keithcoldroses]

Jacob is in Sayid's body.

Seems to be the popular theory right now...

Don't know how I feel about that, if it were true...

[keithcoldroses]

Nothing is irreversible...

[dh4645]

Seems to be the popular theory right now...

Don't know how I feel about that, if it were true...

i said it on the last page, but i said just kidding.

it's not like the nemesis took over lockes body, he just mimicked it. unless if sayids body was switched...i doubt it's jacob
as long as the same "rules" apply

[water_into_wine]

Didn't like that much at all. Still got the whole season ahead of us, I just didn't like the stuff that was laid out. All of the temple people and shit inside seemed like a bit much to me.

It answers a few things already though.

The whispers, where the captured 815 people went, lists, and where little Ben went.

[joepsu0985]

Well dead is dead on the island. So it's not Sayid. But also, I'm assuming the incident worked and Sun, Ben, (The Monster)Locke, and Lepedias are in the same year on the island as the rest of the losties. Well when Juliette set the bomb off, they traveled in time to 2007.

[mja271]

am I the only one who is a little put off by this potential Jacob v. Nemesis thing? Idk how to explain my feeling, but I want the show to focus on the main characters and stuff. It seems kind of late in the game to be throwing in all these new elements of Temple people and other people taking over people's bodies and shit. Idk, there's still 16 episodes and I'm certainly looking forward to see how things end up, but I'd be lying if my enthusiasm wasn't curtailed a little bit by the direction tonight's premiere indicated.

[water_into_wine]

i said it on the last page, but i said just kidding.

it's not like the nemesis took over lockes body, he just mimicked it. unless if sayids body was switched...i doubt it's jacob
as long as the same "rules" apply

Locke had to die first.

Maybe that's why they killed Sayid.

[dh4645]

It answers a few things already though.

The whispers, where the captured 815 people went, lists, and where little Ben went.

some big, some small answers....but gave us more questions than answers...as usual

[water_into_wine]

am I the only one who is a little put off by this potential Jacob v. Nemesis thing? Idk how to explain my feeling, but I want the show to focus on the main characters and stuff. It seems kind of late in the game to be throwing in all these new elements of Temple people and other people taking over people's bodies and shit. Idk, there's still 16 episodes and I'm certainly looking forward to see how things end up, but I'd be lying if my enthusiasm wasn't curtailed a little bit by the direction tonight's premiere indicated.

The writers have said that the last season will focus mostly on finishing character development so I don't think you will be disappointed.

[dh4645]

Locke had to die first.

Maybe that's why they killed Sayid.

what i'm saying is..

...just like lockes body is lying in the sand, but nemesis is walking around as him.

if jacob is walking around as sayid, where is sayids body?

[jkrue22]

So it's purgatory?

[joepsu0985]

some big, some small answers....but gave us more questions than answers...as usual

I don't think they are huge questions that will take time to answer. I think they are just setting the stage to tell the story of the main characters. We'll got the best of both worlds.

[mja271]

The writers have said that the last season will focus mostly on finishing character development so I don't think you will be disappointed.

yea I mean like I said, theres plenty to go. So I'm not too concerned. I was just not into the episode tonight very much, which was disappointing to me.

[jkrue22]

I liked the little scene between Jack and Locke in the airport.

But what's up with that alternate timeline (2004)... I know a lot of people feared the show would end with that. At least they're getting it out of the way now... just an alternate dimension that could possibly be happening?

[dh4645]

So it's purgatory?

as said many times before....the creators said this was not the case

[mja271]

I liked the little scene between Jack and Locke in the airport.

But what's up with that alternate timeline (2004)... I know a lot of people feared the show would end with that. At least they're getting it out of the way now... just an alternate dimension that could possibly be happening?

That was a nice scene between them. I'm not sure what's up with the time line either. I wonder how long that will be in play. I do have to agree with people earlier about the CGI. It was particularly crappy tonight.

[pathetic]

Jacob is in Sayid's body.

yes, i agree

but new questions everywhere :lol

[dh4645]

I liked the little scene between Jack and Locke in the airport.

But what's up with that alternate timeline (2004)... I know a lot of people feared the show would end with that. At least they're getting it out of the way now... just an alternate dimension that could possibly be happening?

yeah i'm glad thats not the end of the show.

maybe an alternate dimension as u said??? who knows

[joepsu0985]

I liked the little scene between Jack and Locke in the airport.

But what's up with that alternate timeline (2004)... I know a lot of people feared the show would end with that. At least they're getting it out of the way now... just an alternate dimension that could possibly be happening?

They are all on the island in 2007 right now. The incident brought them from 1977 back to 2007. I'm looking at the Plane landing at LAX as a flashback right now. So, for some reason they landed in 2004, but ended up on the island in 2007. I know they aren't really a flashback, but kind of reminds me of one.

[mja271]

I love how the ads say, "The time for questions is over". suuuuuuuure lol

[jkrue22]

as said many times before....the creators said this was not the case

I know it was a joke. :rolleyes And yet I still think that theory makes more sense than almost anything else.

[mja271]

Jacob is in Sayid's body.

So are we now going to have some epic battle between Sayid and Locke in which neither one is actually themselves? :lol

[dh4645]

I know it was a joke. :rolleyes And yet I still think that theory makes more sense than almost anything else.

oh
sarcasm doesnt come across well in black and white.

[mja271]

Let me ask a serious question to you guys: What do you think the show is building towards? For a long time it seemed like it was building toward them possibly getting off the island. Now that has obviously been explored. What do you think the big payoffs will be at the end? Just curious as to your thoughts.

[dh4645]

Let me ask a serious question to you guys: What do you think the show is building towards? For a long time it seemed like it was building toward them possibly getting off the island. Now that has obviously been explored. What do you think the big payoffs will be at the end? Just curious as to your thoughts.

wouldnt you like to know?

:)









as would i

[thebridge15]

What did Locke say in regards to the coffin at the airport?

[jkrue22]

Jacob is in Sayid's body.

Although this makes sense, it almost makes too much sense... if that makes sense. :lol

I actually thought something like this might happen with Jack, where you then have Jack vs. Locke, possessed by their counterparts Jacob and the MiB.

[jkrue22]

What did Locke say in regards to the coffin at the airport?

That they didn't lose Jack's dad, they just lost his body. :)

[thebridge15]

That they didn't lose Jack's dad, they just lost his body. :)He might has well have followed it with, "Basically, your dad is still alive. And he's pretty much talked to everyone at this point. He's on the island you'll talk to him next episode."

[franknads]

evil locke fucked richard up with that throat punch. shits about to go down. there were some cool moments, so the variables changed? Hurley went from bad luck to good luck? John is going to have Jack fix his spine up all nice? Whatever the hell they do the island ends up under water with fake CGI sharks and fish, I kinda feel bad for the island. it can travel through time, what a waste.

[thebridge15]

My guess is that the next 15 episodes will be unbelievably confusing, then the finale will just be Jacob sitting down in a chair with every character gathered around him as he explains everything.

[dh4645]

evil locke fucked richard up with that throat punch. shits about to go down. there were some cool moments, so the variables changed? Hurley went from bad luck to good luck? John is going to have Jack fix his spine up all nice? Whatever the hell they do the island ends up under water with fake CGI sharks and fish, I kinda feel bad for the island. it can travel through time, what a waste.

the island is underwater in the alternate timeline (if thats what it is) in 2004 during the original flight.

the island time is 2007 now right?

[dh4645]

My guess is that the next 15 episodes will be unbelievably confusing, then the finale will just be Jacob sitting down in a chair with every character gathered around him as he explains everything.

i'd be ok with that.

hah

[hbktonyb]

My guess is that the next 15 episodes will be unbelievably confusing, then the finale will just be Jacob sitting down in a chair with every character gathered around him as he explains everything.

No way...

[water_into_wine]

Let me ask a serious question to you guys: What do you think the show is building towards? For a long time it seemed like it was building toward them possibly getting off the island. Now that has obviously been explored. What do you think the big payoffs will be at the end? Just curious as to your thoughts.

Puppies and rainbows.

[JMcCartyFBI]

My initial reactions...

1. I'm guessing that cut on Jack's neck in the 2004 reality is the first clue for how it connects to the 2007 reality

2. I think that having the two realities diverge in 1977, so that the 2004 reality is similar but not entirely the same as what we saw at the beginning of the series is a very interesting solution to the real-life production problems (eg. not being able to bring back all the original cast, the fact that Malcolm David Kelley is now way too old to play a 10-year-old Walt, etc.)

3. Personally, I don't think Sayid was ever dead. Miles was confused, which I took to mean that he was trying to hear Sayid but couldn't because Sayid wasn't actually dead

[JacobLovesYou]

i still think that monster locke is a good guy and jacob is the bad guy.

[dh4645]

My initial reactions...

1. I'm guessing that cut on Jack's neck in the 2004 reality is the first clue for how it connects to the 2007 reality

2. I think that having the two realities diverge in 1977, so that the 2004 reality is similar but not entirely the same as what we saw at the beginning of the series is a very interesting solution to the real-life production problems (eg. not being able to bring back all the original cast, the fact that Malcolm David Kelley is now way too old to play a 10-year-old Walt, etc.)

3. Personally, I don't think Sayid was ever dead. Miles was confused, which I took to mean that he was trying to hear Sayid but couldn't because Sayid wasn't actually dead

NICE

i agree with all of that

[water_into_wine]

My initial reactions...

1. I'm guessing that cut on Jack's neck in the 2004 reality is the first clue for how it connects to the 2007 reality

2. I think that having the two realities diverge in 1977, so that the 2004 reality is similar but not entirely the same as what we saw at the beginning of the series is a very interesting solution to the real-life production problems (eg. not being able to bring back all the original cast, the fact that Malcolm David Kelley is now way too old to play a 10-year-old Walt, etc.)

3. Personally, I don't think Sayid was ever dead. Miles was confused, which I took to mean that he was trying to hear Sayid but couldn't because Sayid wasn't actually dead

3. Yeah, that was a big clue to Sayid getting up, but it could easily still be Jacob.


I'm most bothered by the Desmond sighting.

[thebridge15]

i still think that monster locke is a good guy and jacob is the bad guy.I never got your username until this second.

[pathetic]

evil locke fucked richard up with that throat punch. shits about to go down. there were some cool moments, so the variables changed? Hurley went from bad luck to good luck? John is going to have Jack fix his spine up all nice? Whatever the hell they do the island ends up under water with fake CGI sharks and fish, I kinda feel bad for the island. it can travel through time, what a waste.

inorite!! fucking throat punch...

bush league john locke, bush league

[jkrue22]

My initial reactions...

1. I'm guessing that cut on Jack's neck in the 2004 reality is the first clue for how it connects to the 2007 reality

2. I think that having the two realities diverge in 1977, so that the 2004 reality is similar but not entirely the same as what we saw at the beginning of the series is a very interesting solution to the real-life production problems (eg. not being able to bring back all the original cast, the fact that Malcolm David Kelley is now way too old to play a 10-year-old Walt, etc.)

3. Personally, I don't think Sayid was ever dead. Miles was confused, which I took to mean that he was trying to hear Sayid but couldn't because Sayid wasn't actually dead

:thumbsup:thumbsup Great post, I knew the cut on Jack's neck was important but couldn't figure out why.

Also did anyone else think Sayid looked particularly Christ-like when they pulled him out of the pool? Resurrection scene? He sure seemed pretty dead... gosh this show is ridiculous.

[dh4645]

i still think that monster locke is a good guy and jacob is the bad guy.

oohhh twist.

what??!! bruce willis was dead all along??!!! haha

i'm nuts i need to go to sleep.

[joepsu0985]

the island is underwater in the alternate timeline (if thats what it is) in 2004 during the original flight.

the island time is 2007 now right?


Yeah.

The time line we are seeing now: 2004: 815 Crashes, they hook up with the freighter, Des calls penny. The island skips, Locke leaves by moving the island and ends up in 2007. Convinces everyone to go back. I think at this point, we get another "timeline" and Jack, Kate, Hurley, Sayid, end up back in 1977 where the island stopped. Sun, Ben, Lapedias (sp) and the other, others, end up in 2007 on the island. Juliette setting the bomb off brought those two time lines together.

The other time line that we saw was one where 815 never crashed. So either it didn't crash because of Juliette, or something that we have yet to see.

So the losties are going to have to do something to get from this timeline (2007) to the timeline where 815 doesnt crash (2004). So they have basically they have got to go back in time, jump a dimension, or something. How or if it is going to be done, I have no clue.

[dh4645]

:thumbsup:thumbsup Great post, I knew the cut on Jack's neck was important but couldn't figure out why.

Also did anyone else think Sayid looked particularly Christ-like when they pulled him out of the pool? Resurrection scene? He sure seemed pretty dead... gosh this show is ridiculous.

yeah i agree. they had his arms all out so he was in a cross shape

[mja271]

Cuse and Lindelof with some clarification...


EW: The whole idea of flash-sideways and the plan to use Season 6 to show us a world where Oceanic 815 never crashed—how long has that been in the works? Why did you want to do it?
DAMON LINDELOF: It’s been in play for at least a couple of years. We knew that the ending of the time travel season was going to be an attempt to reboot. And as a result, we [knew] the audience was going to come out of the “do-over moment” thinking we were either going start over or just say it didn’t work and continue on. [We thought] wouldn’t it be great if we did both? That was the origin of the story.
CARLTON CUSE: We thought just doing one [of those options] would inherently not be satisfying. Since the very beginning of the show, characters started crossing through each other’s stories. Part of our desire [in Season 6] is to show that there’s still this kind of weave, that these characters still would have impacted each other’s lives even without the event of crashing on the island. Obviously, the big question of the season is going to be: How do these [two timelines] reconcile? However, for the fans who have not watched the show closely, that’s an intact narrative. You can just watch the flash sideways — they stand alone all by themselves. For the fans who are more deeply embedded in the show, you can watch those flash sideways, compare them to what transpired in the flashbacks and go, “Oh, that’s an interesting difference.”
LINDELOF: Right out of the gate, in the first five minutes of the premiere, you get hit over the head with two things that you’re not expecting. The first is that Desmond is on the plane. The second thing that we do is we drop out of the plane and we go below the water and we see that The Island is submerged. What we’re trying to do there is basically say to you, “God bless the survivors of Oceanic 815, because they’re so self-centered, they thought the only effect [of detonating the bomb] was going to be is that their plane never crashes.” But they don’t stop to think, “If we do this in 1977, what else is going to affected by this?” So that their entire lives can be changed radically. In fact, it would appear that they’ve sunken the island. That’s our way of saying, “Keep your eyes peeled for the differences that you’re not expecting.” Some of these characters were still in Australia, but some weren’t. Shannon’s not there. Boone actually says that he tried to get her back. There are all sorts of other people that we don’t see. Where’s Libby? Where’s Ana Lucia? Where’s Eko? These are all the things that you’re supposed to be thinking about. When our characters posited the “What if?” scenario, they neglected to think about what the other effects of potentially changing time might be and we’re embracing those things.

That said, are you saying definitively that detonating Jughead was the event that created this new timeline? Or is that a mystery which the Season 6 story will reveal?
LINDELOF: It’s a mystery. A big one.
CUSE: We did have some concern that it might be confusing kind of going into the season. To clear that up a little bit: The archetypes of the characters are the same and that’s the most significant thing. Kate is still a fugitive. If you were to look at the Comic-Con video, for instance, that now comes into play. There was a different scenario in that story. She basically blew up an apprentice plumber as opposed to killing her biological father/stepfather. Those kind of differences exist, but who the characters fundamentally are is the same. If it becomes too confusing for you, you can just follow the flash sideways for what they are. It’s not as though there’s narrative that hangs on the fact that you need to know that this event was different in that world, in the flashback world versus the sideways world. That’s not critical for being able to process the narrative this season.

Is there a relationship between island reality and sideways reality? Will they run parallel for the remainder of the season? Will they fuse together? Might one fade away?
LINDELOF: For us, the big risk that we’re taking in the final season of the show is basically this very question. [Lindelof then explains the show has replaced the trademark “whoosh!” sound effect marking the segue between Island present story and flashbacks or flash-forwards, thus calling conspicuous attention to the relationship between the Island world and the Sideways world.] This is the critical mystery of the season, which is, “What is the relationship between these two shows?” And we don’t use the phrase “alternate reality,” because to call one of them an “alternate reality” is to infer that one of them isn’t real, or one of them is real and the other is the alternate to being real.
CUSE: But the questions you’re asking are exactly the right questions. What are we to make of the fact that they’re showing us two different timelines? Are they going to resolve? Are they going to connect? Are they going to co-exist in parallel fashion? Are they going to cross? Do they intersect? Does one prove to be viable and the other one not? I think those are all the kind of speculations that are the right speculations to be having at this point in the season.
LINDELOF: But it is going to require patience. We’ve taught the audience how to be patient thus far, so while they’re getting a lot of mythological answers on the island early in the season, this idea of what is the relationship between the two [worlds] is a little bit more of a slow burn.

Did Jughead really sink the island? And is it possible that the Sideways Characters are now caught in a time loop in which they might have to go back in time and fulfill the obligation to continuity by detonating the bomb?
LINDELOF: These questions will be dealt with on the show. Should you infer that the detonation of Jughead is what sunk the island? Who knows? But there’s The Foot. What do you get when you see that shot? It looks like New Otherton got built. These little clues [might help you] extrapolate when The Island may have sunk. Start to think about it. A couple of episodes down the road, some of the characters might even discuss it. We will say this: Season 6 is not about time travel. It’s about the implications, the aftermath, and the causality of trying to change the past. But the idea of continuing to do paradoxical storytelling is not what we’re interested in this year.

[JacobLovesYou]

I never got your username until this second.

:D:D

indeed.

[dh4645]

So the losties are going to have to do something to get from this timeline (2007) to the timeline where 815 doesnt crash (2004). So they have basically they have got to go back in time, jump a dimension, or something. How or if it is going to be done, I have no clue.

haha wow, nice post...it almost made sense to me for a second.
:evil

[pkrfan97]

My guess is that the next 15 episodes will be unbelievably confusing, then the finale will just be Jacob sitting down in a chair with every character gathered around him as he explains everything.

If that happened, the writers should epically end the show with him saying this final line, "I call it 'The Aristocrats'."

I'd :lol so hard.

[JacobLovesYou]

i agree that sayid looked christ like coming out of the water.

[joepsu0985]

My initial reactions...

1. I'm guessing that cut on Jack's neck in the 2004 reality is the first clue for how it connects to the 2007 reality

2. I think that having the two realities diverge in 1977, so that the 2004 reality is similar but not entirely the same as what we saw at the beginning of the series is a very interesting solution to the real-life production problems (eg. not being able to bring back all the original cast, the fact that Malcolm David Kelley is now way too old to play a 10-year-old Walt, etc.)

3. Personally, I don't think Sayid was ever dead. Miles was confused, which I took to mean that he was trying to hear Sayid but couldn't because Sayid wasn't actually dead

I agree with 1 and 3 completely. I don't disagree with 2. But I never thought of Walt. He wasn't on the plane in the alternate time line we just say tonight. He or Michael. Could be a huge gap in the plot, but I'm sure the writers will fill it in. I said earlier that Boone was the only one on the plane. Could it be something that happened between 1977 (when the Juliette set off the nuke) to 2007, that changed the course of all the events, which would mean Walt was never in Sydney?

[thebridge15]

:D:D

indeed.That's the freakiest scene ever.

[RJP2741]

So are we now going to have some epic battle between Sayid and Locke in which neither one is actually themselves? :lol

I hope so.

Let me ask a serious question to you guys: What do you think the show is building towards? For a long time it seemed like it was building toward them possibly getting off the island. Now that has obviously been explored. What do you think the big payoffs will be at the end? Just curious as to your thoughts.

I have no idea, but I don't really like the idea they have laid out so far: That the on island Losties have to do "something" in order for their consciousnesses to time travel to their LAX selves. I don't want it to end with an alternate reality.

:thumbsup:thumbsup Great post, I knew the cut on Jack's neck was important but couldn't figure out why.

Also did anyone else think Sayid looked particularly Christ-like when they pulled him out of the pool? Resurrection scene? He sure seemed pretty dead... gosh this show is ridiculous.

I forgot about that cut, its definitely important, and its definitely a clue. And yes, they definitely made it a point to make Sayid look Christ-like coming out of the water.

[jkrue22]

i still think that monster locke is a good guy and jacob is the bad guy.

I don't think this show is really as simple as "good and bad." Light and dark, black and white, maybe... but not good and bad. More like Jacob represents free will and faith in mankind, while the MiB represents fate and a pessimistic view of humanity ("it always ends the same").

[TwoStep2888]

good premiere.

[thebridge15]

I agree with 1 and 3 completely. I don't disagree with 2. But I never thought of Walt. He wasn't on the plane in the alternate time line we just say tonight. He or Michael. Could be a huge gap in the plot, but I'm sure the writers will fill it in. I said earlier that Boone was the only one on the plane. Could it be something that happened between 1977 (when the Juliette set off the nuke) to 2007, that changed the course of all the events, which would mean Walt was never in Sydney?This. Hurley is possibly unlucky because he didn't use the numbers, because the island was never there for the friend of the crazy guy to hear the numbers. And Desmond succeeded in his race and ended up in Sydney and was going back to LA.

[maytoes]

damon lindelof and carlton cuse are gonna be on Jimmy Kimmel tonight for those of you who are interested

[pathetic]

Frank and Sun were the most uninteresting characters in that episode :lol :lol

[pathetic]

damon lindelof and carlton cuse are gonna be on Jimmy Kimmel tonight for those of you who are interested

nice! thanks amanda!!! def gonna check this out

[joepsu0985]

Cuse and Lindelof with some clarification...


EW: The whole idea of flash-sideways and the plan to use Season 6 to show us a world where Oceanic 815 never crashed—how long has that been in the works? Why did you want to do it?
DAMON LINDELOF: It’s been in play for at least a couple of years. We knew that the ending of the time travel season was going to be an attempt to reboot. And as a result, we [knew] the audience was going to come out of the “do-over moment” thinking we were either going start over or just say it didn’t work and continue on. [We thought] wouldn’t it be great if we did both? That was the origin of the story.
CARLTON CUSE: We thought just doing one [of those options] would inherently not be satisfying. Since the very beginning of the show, characters started crossing through each other’s stories. Part of our desire [in Season 6] is to show that there’s still this kind of weave, that these characters still would have impacted each other’s lives even without the event of crashing on the island. Obviously, the big question of the season is going to be: How do these [two timelines] reconcile? However, for the fans who have not watched the show closely, that’s an intact narrative. You can just watch the flash sideways — they stand alone all by themselves. For the fans who are more deeply embedded in the show, you can watch those flash sideways, compare them to what transpired in the flashbacks and go, “Oh, that’s an interesting difference.”
LINDELOF: Right out of the gate, in the first five minutes of the premiere, you get hit over the head with two things that you’re not expecting. The first is that Desmond is on the plane. The second thing that we do is we drop out of the plane and we go below the water and we see that The Island is submerged. What we’re trying to do there is basically say to you, “God bless the survivors of Oceanic 815, because they’re so self-centered, they thought the only effect [of detonating the bomb] was going to be is that their plane never crashes.” But they don’t stop to think, “If we do this in 1977, what else is going to affected by this?” So that their entire lives can be changed radically. In fact, it would appear that they’ve sunken the island. That’s our way of saying, “Keep your eyes peeled for the differences that you’re not expecting.” Some of these characters were still in Australia, but some weren’t. Shannon’s not there. Boone actually says that he tried to get her back. There are all sorts of other people that we don’t see. Where’s Libby? Where’s Ana Lucia? Where’s Eko? These are all the things that you’re supposed to be thinking about. When our characters posited the “What if?” scenario, they neglected to think about what the other effects of potentially changing time might be and we’re embracing those things.

That said, are you saying definitively that detonating Jughead was the event that created this new timeline? Or is that a mystery which the Season 6 story will reveal?
LINDELOF: It’s a mystery. A big one.
CUSE: We did have some concern that it might be confusing kind of going into the season. To clear that up a little bit: The archetypes of the characters are the same and that’s the most significant thing. Kate is still a fugitive. If you were to look at the Comic-Con video, for instance, that now comes into play. There was a different scenario in that story. She basically blew up an apprentice plumber as opposed to killing her biological father/stepfather. Those kind of differences exist, but who the characters fundamentally are is the same. If it becomes too confusing for you, you can just follow the flash sideways for what they are. It’s not as though there’s narrative that hangs on the fact that you need to know that this event was different in that world, in the flashback world versus the sideways world. That’s not critical for being able to process the narrative this season.

Is there a relationship between island reality and sideways reality? Will they run parallel for the remainder of the season? Will they fuse together? Might one fade away?
LINDELOF: For us, the big risk that we’re taking in the final season of the show is basically this very question. [Lindelof then explains the show has replaced the trademark “whoosh!” sound effect marking the segue between Island present story and flashbacks or flash-forwards, thus calling conspicuous attention to the relationship between the Island world and the Sideways world.] This is the critical mystery of the season, which is, “What is the relationship between these two shows?” And we don’t use the phrase “alternate reality,” because to call one of them an “alternate reality” is to infer that one of them isn’t real, or one of them is real and the other is the alternate to being real.
CUSE: But the questions you’re asking are exactly the right questions. What are we to make of the fact that they’re showing us two different timelines? Are they going to resolve? Are they going to connect? Are they going to co-exist in parallel fashion? Are they going to cross? Do they intersect? Does one prove to be viable and the other one not? I think those are all the kind of speculations that are the right speculations to be having at this point in the season.
LINDELOF: But it is going to require patience. We’ve taught the audience how to be patient thus far, so while they’re getting a lot of mythological answers on the island early in the season, this idea of what is the relationship between the two [worlds] is a little bit more of a slow burn.

Did Jughead really sink the island? And is it possible that the Sideways Characters are now caught in a time loop in which they might have to go back in time and fulfill the obligation to continuity by detonating the bomb?
LINDELOF: These questions will be dealt with on the show. Should you infer that the detonation of Jughead is what sunk the island? Who knows? But there’s The Foot. What do you get when you see that shot? It looks like New Otherton got built. These little clues [might help you] extrapolate when The Island may have sunk. Start to think about it. A couple of episodes down the road, some of the characters might even discuss it. We will say this: Season 6 is not about time travel. It’s about the implications, the aftermath, and the causality of trying to change the past. But the idea of continuing to do paradoxical storytelling is not what we’re interested in this year.

This is where I'm coming from. The nuke changed events and we will get that from the 2004 time line of 815 not crashing. I swear that was the first time I read this.

[JacobLovesYou]

I don't think this show is really as simple as "good and bad." Light and dark, black and white, maybe... but not good and bad. More like Jacob represents free will and faith in mankind, while the MiB represents fate and a pessimistic view of humanity ("it always ends the same").

true

[joepsu0985]

This. Hurley is possibly unlucky because he didn't use the numbers, because the island was never there for the friend of the crazy guy to hear the numbers. And Desmond succeeded in his race and ended up in Sydney and was going back to LA.

Did Des disappear on the airplane though.

[dh4645]

damon lindelof and carlton cuse are gonna be on Jimmy Kimmel tonight for those of you who are interested

yeah set to record

also that EW article from above is nuts. flash sideways

time for bed and to dream about atlantis LOST

[thebridge15]

Did Des disappear on the airplane though.Nah. Just sat somewhere else. I mean he switched to sit next to Jack. I don't think that's too important.

[mja271]

While I wasn't thrilled with the premiere, I feel like it could be one of those things where you look back on it in 10 weeks or so, and alot of important seeds were planted for the final outcomes of the show.

[water_into_wine]

This. Hurley is possibly unlucky because he didn't use the numbers, because the island was never there for the friend of the crazy guy to hear the numbers. And Desmond succeeded in his race and ended up in Sydney and was going back to LA.

And Shannon never was on the plane because she didn't go with Boone.


Edit: I think Desmond is much more important though. Wasn't his race a few years before 2004?

[thebridge15]

And Shannon never was on the plane because she didn't go with Boone.


Edit: I think Desmond is much more important though. Wasn't his race a few years before 2004?Not sure. Either way, he got to Sydney and wasn't trapped on the island for years.

[water_into_wine]

Not sure. Either way, he got to Sydney and wasn't trapped on the island for years.

Do we really know that?

I think it is significant that he appeared to disappear.

[JTRocks]

It answers a few things already though.

The whispers, where the captured 815 people went, lists, and where little Ben went.

whats the answer to all of these? i see where the captured 815 people went and what happened to ben i guess (and we all know they didnt actually put ben in that same fountain, these writers threw that bullshit together)

but someone asked this question a couple pages back, "what is this show building towards?" and honestly, someone try to answer that. back in the first 3 seasons, it was all about them getting off the island and that was fun. then i guess we got to travel thru time and answer some neat questions as the characters conveniently landed during some significant events that took place in the islands history, but now where are we? I really dont know what i'm looking forward to. if these people end up going back to 2004, theres a lot of people that are just gonna go on to live shitty lives (sun, charlie, kate, sawyer).

[Revolution36]

Ok, so...

I really did enjoy it. I think it set up a lot of cool stuff. I loved that "airport" timeline. Seemed very new/fresh. It really reminded me of s1, (which is probably intentional). That EW article is nuts, it helped a lot.

I like where they are going with this though...very excited. The only thing....everyone seems to think Jacob is now in Saiyd..not to sure about that? I think Saiyd just came back to life? Idk, we'll see next Tuesday. Let the theories begin!!!

[wampa3]

All I could think about during the alternate universe scenes.

http://www.panelsonpages.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/bizarro_world.jpg
http://marksayers.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/seinfeld101.jpg

[JacobLovesYou]

i think its important that desmond disappeared as well.

i'm crossing my fingers/expecting that LOST is going to be one of those rare occasions where after this season is over we can go back and really look at everything and see parts in like season 2 and say "woah that's because of blah blah blah in the LAST season!" obviously we already have a lot of this.

[thebridge15]

i think its important that desmond disappeared as well.

i'm crossing my fingers/expecting that LOST is going to be one of those rare occasions where after this season is over we can go back and really look at everything and see parts in like season 2 and say "woah that's because of blah blah blah in the LAST season!" obviously we already have a lot of this.Maybe I'm being pessimistic, but I feel like there was part of it where the writers were thinking as they went.

[water_into_wine]

whats the answer to all of these? i see where the captured 815 people went and what happened to ben i guess (and we all know they didnt actually put ben in that same fountain, these writers threw that bullshit together)

but someone asked this question a couple pages back, "what is this show building towards?" and honestly, someone try to answer that. back in the first 3 seasons, it was all about them getting off the island and that was fun. then i guess we got to travel thru time and answer some neat questions as the characters conveniently landed during some significant events that took place in the islands history, but now where are we? I really dont know what i'm looking forward to. if these people end up going back to 2004, theres a lot of people that are just gonna go on to live shitty lives (sun, charlie, kate, sawyer).

Bolded makes no sense.

You finally see where the lists go and where the whispers originate from.

[41ravens]

really enjoyed the premiere. to those disappointed, i think you should have some faith. the writers have proven over the last 5 years that they know what they're doing, so i'd let this all pan out before you start trashing the storyline. i really like the temple stuff. sure, it throws in a whole other loop, but it was kind of one of those, "oh yeah, i forgot about that" things. they've made several references to the temple, but i had never really given much thought to it. really excited to see where this all goes.

[mja271]

I'm certainly not going to give up on the show just b/c I didn't love the premiere. It's the last season. They're definitely going to pull out all the stops, at least I'd have to imagine they will

[franknads]

will jack experience temporal displacement since he is starting to remember the other timeline? It seems obvious jack is aware of his connection to everyone there but he can't fully realize it. you can tell that jack's instinct is strong like it is in the most recent episodes. Completely believes in faith now. "your spines broke and they say it's unfixable? I'll fix that instantly". interesting from a man who previously had no bed side manner. same with sayid when he busted that door down. he didn't even hesitate to bust in on charlie. he's was all "I'll save you" bam!

evil locke kept telling richard and co. that they weren't enslaved anymore. I think evil locke is evil as fuck, he said again how worthless all the people's lives are off the island and that's what made locke different because he was the only one who realized it and wanted to stay. where ever home is I'm guessing it's not holding hands with the survivors. plus that japanese ninja guy is going to tear shit up like no other. it's a given. they have now added the kung fu genre to their fusion of a show.

I'm glad they got that smoke monster stuff out of the way within the first 20minutes. I hope that's how they pace revealing shit. one main thing per episode, get a good explanation. the timelines overlapped on the island because they ended up/debris and all in the old hatch. they took shit with them. makes me wonder about items like the compass.

[franknads]

that looked like blood in the water also, they said it was clear before. most likely changed after jacob died.

[jkrue22]

will jack experience temporal displacement since he is starting to remember the other timeline? It seems obvious jack is aware of his connection to everyone there but he can't fully realize it. you can tell that jack's instinct is strong like it is in the most recent episodes. Completely believes in faith now. "your spines broke and they say it's unfixable? I'll fix that instantly". interesting from a man who previously had no bed side manner. same with sayid when he busted that door down. he didn't even hesitate to bust in on charlie. he's was all "I'll save you" bam!

evil locke kept telling richard and co. that they weren't enslaved anymore. I think evil locke is evil as fuck, he said again how worthless all the people's lives are off the island and that's what made locke different because he was the only one who realized it and wanted to stay. where ever home is I'm guessing it's not holding hands with the survivors. plus that japanese ninja guy is going to tear shit up like no other. it's a given. they have now added the kung fu genre to their fusion of a show.

I'm glad they got that smoke monster stuff out of the way within the first 20minutes. I hope that's how they pace revealing shit. one main thing per episode, get a good explanation. the timelines overlapped on the island because they ended up/debris and all in the old hatch. they took shit with them. makes me wonder about items like the compass.

I love kung fu. :monkey

[jkrue22]

i still think that monster locke is a good guy and jacob is the bad guy.

One more thing: that Last Supper promo had (F)Locke as Jesus and Sayid as Judas... foreshadowing?

[jkrue22]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fear_and_Trembling

Book found in the dead Frenchie's backpack in the cave... more contrasting of faith and doubt, Jacob and Nemesis:

'In Fear and Trembling Kierkegaard introduces the "Knight of Faith" and contrasts him with the "knight of infinite resignation". The latter gives up everything in return for the infinite, that which he may receive after this life, and continuously dwells with the pain of his loss. The former, however, not only relinquishes everything, but also trusts that he will receive it all back, his trust based on the "strength of the absurd".

For Kierkegaard, infinite resignation is easy, but faith is founded in the belief in the absurd. The absurd is that which is contradictory to reason itself. For Abraham, this faith in the absurd manifests itself in Abraham's belief that he would kill his only son but he would nevertheless receive him again in his lifetime. Silentio's opinion is that what separates Abraham from being a killer is his faith. (In the end of the Genesis 22 story, an angel stops Abraham at the last moment. A ram appears which Abraham takes as a sign from God, and he sacrifices the ram instead of Isaac.)

An important theme is the conflict between theology and philosophy. According to Kierkegaard, mid-19th-century secular philosophers laughed at faith and saw no mystery in the story of Abraham while professing to find Hegel's philosophy exceedingly difficult. Kierkegaard, however, thought that understanding Hegel was possible (if difficult), but trying to comprehend why Abraham was willing to sacrifice his son caused him to be "virtually annihilated".'

[AndySlash]

i love this show

[antsman41]

Wow, after losing power for an hour and then waiting for a torrent for three hours I finally got my fix. Well, my main question, ideass and assumptions are;

1. Why did "Monster" Locke say John Locke was the only one who wanted to stay on the island?

-Walt always wanted to stay, Michael just interfering with that. I still think Walt is one of the missing links here. He was built up too much along with Locke in the first 2 seasons.

2. Sayid can't be Jacob. There is no extra "Sayid" laying around...

3. I think both timelines are "real" but have no idea what connects where or how.

- Only thing I would relate to here is when Old Biff steals the Almanac and skews a new timeline from 1955. But once somethings were fixed in Alt. 1985 they could return to real 1985. I feel this Alt. 2004 in LOST will be fixed within by Jack and co. and they will all connect to what is happening in 2007.

4. Terry O'Quinn is the shit.

5. I love how Backgammon/Chess is what this whole show has been about. Jacob and Man In Black have been using the Dahrma Initiative/ The Others and the Losties as pieces. They both are trying to prove the other the rights or wrongs of humans...

- Joker = Man In Black while Jacob = Batman

6. Was great to see where these "stolen" Losties went. Nice nod with those two kids who we saw in early S2 or late S1. Did anyone notice they FBI guy got hit in the head tonight by Kate just like he did on the plane in the original crash... Great to see Charlie, Claire, and Boone.

7. I forgot... There is something fishy with Desmond btw... fuck...

This season is going to be one hell of a ride.

Lastly, like someone said earlier that this season can last forever because of the background wealth it will give us for the future. It will be The Prestige of the tv world. I'm already analysing S1-S5 with just the little things tonight. I think this series won't let us down, and might just be the most perfect television show ever. I honestly beleive what TPTB have told us, and that everything has been somewhat mapped out since Day 1.

[antsman41]

I just thought of this with what happened with Juliet and her "it worked". There are two distinct time lines right now and all the characters look the same so I think that they are existing at the same time. Juliet died and said that it worked. That means that her timeline on the island merged with her time line off the island had they never been to the island. She thought it worked. However, that just means that the two time lines are merging together, course correcting if you will. The alternate time line will slowly merge with the current time line on the island. Everyone that has died on the island, was suppose to die on the island. That was their fate. They won't be revived. However, Locke and the O6 were not suppose to leave the island. Locke died off the island, it wasn't suppose to be that way. MIB/Smokey used that to their advantage and became FLocke. However, when the two time lines merge together, Locke will be revived as his alternate time line self converges with the dead body of current Locke. To support this theory, Desmond, being special and able to jump in and out of time, has appeared and disappeared. Also, Locke's suitcase of knives and Christian's coffin are missing. Those things are slowly merging with the current time line.

[clcfball11]

Lots and lots of shit going on in this episode.

My theory: Jacob isn't inside Sayid. RICHARD is.

[TwoStep2888]

This show has jumped the shark. I've been with it from the beginning, but this fountain of youth shit is just ridiculous.

A time-traveling island full of ghosts and immortal people? That's fine, but a thing that heals people NOW THEY'VE GONE TOO FAR :mad:mad:mad

[TwoStep2888]

two little things

1. In the Pilot, Jack was in row 23. In LA X, he is in row 24.

2. at the airport, when Jin is taken into custody, the security agent addresses Sun as "Ms Paik," rather than "Mrs Kwon" before escorting her to the waiting area.

[DMBZeppelin]

A time-traveling island full of ghosts and immortal people? That's fine, but a thing that heals people NOW THEY'VE GONE TOO FAR :mad:mad:mad
:lol

[luke7]

By Robert Bianco, USA TODAY
What happened? (And if you don't want to know, stop reading now.)
After two head-spinning, show-altering hours of Lost (**** out of four) Tuesday night, odds are many of us could identify with that episode-closing question from the back-from-the-dead Sayid (if that is, indeed, Sayid). In the larger TV sense, here's what happened: We just witnessed a stunning, daring bit of TV storytelling that set the show on a new, series-ending path — one that will track the characters through parallel, alternate universes.

That, apparently, is what last season's nuclear explosion did, though the characters don't know it. We are now following two versions of their lives: In one, the plane never crashed and they all landed safely in L.A.; in the other, they're all back on the island (and together in time).

That's no easy task to pull off; few shows would even try. It worked because the script and actors so clearly delineated the difference between the two groups: one transformed by the island, one left as they were when we first met them.

There were answers. We know what the bomb did, what the smoke monster is, what Hurley had in his guitar case. But anyone hoping for simplicity — "this is where we're headed and what we must do to get there" — was bound to be disappointed. Lost has never been a simple show, and it can't turn into one now, not with hours left to fill.

Yet for all the questions it left open, the episode did give you the most important answer: what the season and the show are really about. The key is to focus on the characters and to realize, as the "not-Locke" said, that each is better for being on the island but doesn't yet realize it.

That's why, once you got past the fun of seeing the characters in their "original" states, you probably realized the people on that plane were not the people we've come to care about. Those people are back on the island: the Jack who's lost his hardened certainty, the Kate who's more open and giving, the Sawyer who sees people rather than con-man marks. They're on the hero's journey to redemption, and one way or another, they have to complete it.

How that happens, none of us can know. All we can know is that it's a waste of time and pleasure to let your fears about the eventual destination overwhelm the joys of the journey.

Enjoy the ride, leave the steering to the captain, and wait and see what's next.

[joepsu0985]

I just thought of this with what happened with Juliet and her "it worked". There are two distinct time lines right now and all the characters look the same so I think that they are existing at the same time. Juliet died and said that it worked. That means that her timeline on the island merged with her time line off the island had they never been to the island. She thought it worked. However, that just means that the two time lines are merging together, course correcting if you will. The alternate time line will slowly merge with the current time line on the island. Everyone that has died on the island, was suppose to die on the island. That was their fate. They won't be revived. However, Locke and the O6 were not suppose to leave the island. Locke died off the island, it wasn't suppose to be that way. MIB/Smokey used that to their advantage and became FLocke. However, when the two time lines merge together, Locke will be revived as his alternate time line self converges with the dead body of current Locke. To support this theory, Desmond, being special and able to jump in and out of time, has appeared and disappeared. Also, Locke's suitcase of knives and Christian's coffin are missing. Those things are slowly merging with the current time line.

I was saying this earlier in the thread. The only thing that doesn't quite make sense to me, is when everyone is on the island. I think it is 2007. They were in 1977 (Juliette, Jack, Kate, Sawyer, Miles, Sayid and Hugo) and 2007 (Sun, Ben, Locke's Body, Monster Lock, and Lapidus and the "other others).

The alternate time line is in 2004.

I think that we aren't dealing with separate dimensions at all. I think that Faraday's journal proved that people can in fact change the past as "variables" as he put it in his whole spew about constants and variables. That is what the Nuke did. It basically changed the course of history. After it went off the Losties traveled to 2007. So the Ajira crew which split up are in the same year. So what that leads to is either everything happened between 1977 and 2004 and the losties were destined to be on that island, since they were on that list. Or that they are in fact still on two different time lines.

I think it's the latter. There has always been the list, Locke has talked about it being destiny of being on the island. So yes, they did change part of their destiny, but it was always going to be the people on that list were going to come to the island. I mean it has been a theme of the show of almost like a redemption type message.

[joepsu0985]

I can definitely see why there are two different time zones. The 815 crew who were captured by the others are still on the island in 2007 and 815 landed at LAX. I mean they could be part of that list.

[dobyblue]

I wonder exactly what part Shannon/Boone were going to play before they did the re-write when Maggie Grace couldn't get the time off to film any Shannon-scenes.
Hopefully that's discussed in the Complete Collection in August.

I also hope the Walt story comes to fruition, that's such an important part of S1~S2 it would be a shame to not get closure on it. Are ALL the ghosts the Man in Black and not Jacob at all? Jacob has only "appeared" to Hurley since his death and it was as himself not as anyone else.

[joepsu0985]

I wonder exactly what part Shannon/Boone were going to play before they did the re-write when Maggie Grace couldn't get the time off to film any Shannon-scenes.
Hopefully that's discussed in the Complete Collection in August.

I also hope the Walt story comes to fruition, that's such an important part of S1~S2 it would be a shame to not get closure on it. Are ALL the ghosts the Man in Black and not Jacob at all? Jacob has only "appeared" to Hurley since his death and it was as himself not as anyone else.

Complete collection? What is this?

[sdaltons]

Complete collection? What is this?
in august they are releasing a box set of all six seasons on dvd and bluray

[dobyblue]

Complete collection? What is this?

Check here - http://www.antsmarching.org/forum/showpost.php?p=10635004&postcount=18778

[pathetic]

La x

[jkrue22]

La x

They said the space was deliberate... anyone know why? Maybe just hinting that the LAX storyline is in a different spacetime continuum?

[breckbrew]

Crap, I'm going to have to do a lot of backreading. Great episode (child birth class got out early because of snow so we made it home in time to catch the whole thing)!:multi

[pathetic]

They said the space was deliberate... anyone know why? Maybe just hinting that the LAX storyline is in a different spacetime continuum?

yeah the split

LA being the first storyline

X being the 2nd

[pathetic]

i wish every week was a 2 hr show :lol

atleast it's on til the end of may :D

[luke7]

Anyone in Columbus, OH go out to the Gateway to watch last night on the big screen or in other cities that had it in a movie theater ?

[RJP2741]

Anyone who didn't watch Damon and Carlton on Kimmell last night should youtube it. They actually helped explain some of what happened last night.

[dobyblue]

They said the space was deliberate... anyone know why? Maybe just hinting that the LAX storyline is in a different spacetime continuum?

From the Lostpedia:

Earth X: The "X" in 'LA X' stands for an alternate reality. It's common use in comic books, Marvel Comics have an alternate history/timeline called "Earth X". (Books)

However Lindelof did say we don’t use the phrase “alternate reality,” because to call one of them an “alternate reality” is to infer that one of them isn’t real, or one of them is real and the other is the alternate to being real.

[pathetic]

Anyone who didn't watch Damon and Carlton on Kimmell last night should youtube it. They actually helped explain some of what happened last night.

:lol yeah and they also told the audience that locke was the smoke monster before they saw the show :lol

[JMcCartyFBI]

I wonder exactly what part Shannon/Boone were going to play before they did the re-write when Maggie Grace couldn't get the time off to film any Shannon-scenes.
Hopefully that's discussed in the Complete Collection in August.

I also hope the Walt story comes to fruition, that's such an important part of S1~S2 it would be a shame to not get closure on it. Are ALL the ghosts the Man in Black and not Jacob at all? Jacob has only "appeared" to Hurley since his death and it was as himself not as anyone else.

They best not put any material that isn't already in the blu-ray season sets in the complete series box or I will be very, very angry. I've already spent too much money on those things, and knowing me I'd probably end up buying the complete series box if it meant more bonus material.

I narrowly escaped buying the superdelux, double-secret probation edition of season five. I finally rationalized to myself that since I no longer own a VHS player or a computer that reads 5 1/4 in. floppy discs, it wasn't worth the extra money.

[RJP2741]

:lol yeah and they also told the audience that locke was the smoke monster before they saw the show :lol

Yeah, that guy's outburst from the audience was awesome. He should've covered his ears once they started going into questions about the premiere. Its his own fault. :lol

[dh4645]

:lol yeah and they also told the audience that locke was the smoke monster before they saw the show :lol

yeah, that was funny.

"SPOILERS!" someone yelled. hah

[dh4645]

....Also, Locke's suitcase of knives and Christian's coffin are missing. Those things are slowly merging with the current time line.

that made me go hmmmm. nice thought there

[pathetic]

Yeah, that guy's outburst from the audience was awesome. He should've covered his ears once they started going into questions about the premiere. Its his own fault. :lol
a lot of good info there...

they said more #'s are coming up in the next few episodes wooooooo

yeah, that was funny.

"SPOILERS!" someone yelled. hah

hahahaha i yelled the same thing at my TV :lol :lol

[RJP2741]

a lot of good info there...

they said more #'s are coming up in the next few episodes wooooooo



hahahaha i yelled the same thing at my TV :lol :lol

Yeah, I was excited to hear the numbers were coming back too.

[RJP2741]

I'm gonna have to rewatch this episode, but after thinking about it more I really liked it. I especially liked all the correlations the LAX timeline had to when the Losties first crashed on the island. Jack asking for a pen then saving someone before he needed it, Jin being taken into custody (chained to the wreckage in S1) and Sun being asked about her English, Charlie escaping his inevitable death (I was supposed to die), Jack and Locke being together discussing Christian's body not being where its supposed to be, I'm sure there's more I haven't though of but I thought that was cool.

Edit: Imo, last night's episode felt much more like an episode from Season 1 (which is a good thing). Not just the musical montage that was a staple of Season 1, but the fear and uncertainty of what was happening on the island in last night's episode was much like the suspense in Season 1 when we had no idea where or what the island was.

[dobyblue]

They best not put any material that isn't already in the blu-ray season sets in the complete series box or I will be very, very angry.

Oops!

Lost: The Complete Collection will include an additional bonus disc with at least two hours of extra exclusive content.

[JMcCartyFBI]

As of right now, I am not buying the Sayid = Jacob theory. As other have said, the smoke monster hasn't possessed John's body, he is simply appearing as John. Presumably this is how the "rules" work. Sayid's body has been with Hurly the entire time. The only opportunity for some kind of switch to be made would have been when they first entered the temple's outer wall and were kidnapped by the Others. Since the camera is on Jack when that happens, presumably there could have been some kind of switch at that time. But if that happened, and Jacob was pretending to be Sayid by the time they entered the temple, why go through all the theatrics of dying and then coming back to life?

Nope, I stand by my theory that Sayid was never really dead to begin with, because I think Miles was trying to communicate with him and couldn't. What happened to him, then? Here's a theory completely out of left field. The water is somehow a way to shift between the two realities. The Sayid that woke up wondering what the hell was going on was the Sayid that helped Jack save Charlie on the plane. Which would mean that from now on, the Sayid we know is now back in the 2004 reality. He and Juliette will somehow team up and find a way to send her into the 2007 reality to let Sawyer know that the bomb worked.

[junior94]

Alright I'll say this right away, that I'm posting this without having done any backreading since last night on here. I didn't see the show live, I was feeling fairly ill last night and was in bed at 9, secure with the knowledge that I'd be DL'ing the torrent no later than midnight or 1am, and I did just that (on a sidenote, I went on abc.com at about 3am, and the one graphic said the premiere was online to view right then, but it really wasn't, because every click I made, the most recent one it kept sending me to was the enhanced version of the s5 finale). But so, I wound up watching the full show at like 4 this morning (I'd already seen the recap hour since it was available via torrent like 3 days ago).

One of my main thoughts that I'll be curious to see if anyone else picked up on... okay on Sayid suddenly waking up in the temple, from my listening to the radio apparently there's already a strong fan theory that Sayid in fact died but he was quickly inhabited by dead Jacob, and I admit I hadn't thought of that at all. But this is what I DID think about -- the concept that upon waking, Sayid's memory could be erased (mind you I still haven't seen next weeks previews). And my logic for this is, it seems probably that that pool of water was the very place Ben was brought to as a child after being shot, and Richard warned the Losties that by taking him, he'd never be the same, and he wouldn't remember any of this. And, since this process seems to have essentially taken place again, but with Sayid, maybe it will have the same result, Sayid will remember nothing about how he got hurt. Then again, there may be a difference on whether it's a kid or a full grown adult.

I'm also going with the assumption for now that everyone's appearance back on the uninterrupted 815 flight, their hairstyles and whatnot, being equal to how they look "now" as we know them on the island, and not mimicked to how they were back in the pilot, does not have any significance to it, that from a production standpoint it would be too much of a hassle to literally get them looking JUST like they did on the flight originally. But I mean, surely all the differences in behavior and dialogue from the pilot ep have meaning to them.

But hey we did get two pretty sizeable confirmations, even if it were things that we'd already guessed. That MiB=Smokezilla, and Richard arrived via the Black Rock. I looooooooooooooved the look on Richard's face when he asked "You!" right at the very end.

[joepsu0985]

I'm gonna have to rewatch this episode, but after thinking about it more I really liked it. I especially liked all the correlations the LAX timeline had to when the Losties first crashed on the island. Jack asking for a pen then saving someone before he needed it, Jin being taken into custody (chained to the wreckage in S1) and Sun being asked about her English, Charlie escaping his inevitable death (I was supposed to die), Jack and Locke being together discussing Christian's body not being where its supposed to be, I'm sure there's more I haven't though of but I thought that was cool.

Edit: Imo, last night's episode felt much more like an episode from Season 1 (which is a good thing). Not just the musical montage that was a staple of Season 1, but the fear and uncertainty of what was happening on the island in last night's episode was much like the suspense in Season 1 when we had no idea where or what the island was.

It is great how they are telling the story. I think it is going to be really effective. I mean during the episode, I was completely lost, but after, it had direction. The cast and crew even said that was how it was going to be. It really sets the stage for the end of the show. I can't wait for this to be over and for the season to come out on DVD. Re-watching all 6 seasons is going to be awesome.

[41ravens]

i'm pretty sure they're just setting this all up so the last episode will be a battle royale death-match between island selves vs. new timeline selves.

[Beebz]

There were some things I didn't like about this episode. However, I enjoyed the episode as a whole, and if I just point out what I didnt like, people will think Im complaining. So, you get both.

Im going to try and do this for each episode this season.

What I liked about LAX:

-- The fact that more of the island geography was revealed
-- The opening four minutes
-- Everything about Terry O'Quinn
-- Getting a little more info about Smokey
-- Hurley taking charge
-- Desmond on the plan

What I didnt like about LAX:

-- The fact that Juliet was still alive down there after she set off a nuclear bomb and was impaled by 12 tons of sharp metal. Come. On.
-- The completely obvious ending of Sayid still being alive
-- The alternate timeline. I reserve the right to change my mind on this, but at this point in the series, wasting half a show on flashbacks with minor changes seems like a massive time waster. In fact, anything that takes us off-island is a massive time-waster at this point. The island is what we care about. Fans have been pretty patient for five seasons that this would pay off, so its a little disconcerting to see yet MORE questions being raised and MORE narrative devices employed to take us off-island. Again, I reserve to change my mind on this. :lol

Grade: B

[joepsu0985]

There were some things I didn't like about this episode. However, I enjoyed the episode as a whole, and if I just point out what I didnt like, people will think Im complaining. So, you get both.

Im going to try and do this for each episode this season.

What I liked about LAX:

-- The fact that more of the island geography was revealed
-- The opening four minutes
-- Everything about Terry O'Quinn
-- Getting a little more info about Smokey
-- Hurley taking charge
-- Desmond on the plan

What I didnt like about LAX:

-- The fact that Juliet was still alive down there after she set off a nuclear bomb and was impaled by 12 tons of sharp metal. Come. On.
-- The completely obvious ending of Sayid still being alive
-- The alternate timeline. I reserve the right to change my mind on this, but at this point in the series, wasting half a show on flashbacks with minor changes seems like a massive time waster. In fact, anything that takes us off-island is a massive time-waster at this point. The island is what we care about. Fans have been pretty patient for five seasons that this would pay off, so its a little disconcerting to see yet MORE questions being raised and MORE narrative devices employed to take us off-island. Again, I reserve to change my mind on this. :lol

Grade: B

See they are still focusing on the on-island characters right now. Those are the characters we grew to love. The alternate time line is kind of what could have been or what will be. If that makes any sense. I don't think the questions they built in last night are going to be big hurdles to clear. I think they will answer themselves as this season goes along. But the narrative scheme they are using this season could be genius. I think as LOST fans we have been waiting for 5 seasons now for the big answers and it was kind of a let down that we got scraps in the 2 hour premiere. I'm reserving my judgment until May 23rd, but I definitely think they are ending the show in make or break fashion.

[pathetic]

yeah i thought it was corny that juliet was still alive like you said

[41ravens]

another thing i noticed about last night, and maybe i'm just looking too much into this, but there were a couple of references to people going "home". if memory serves me correctly, they've never specifically ever said anything about going home, they've always just phrased it as "getting off the island". but last night, MIB mentioned that he was trying to get "home", and then as juliet was dying, she told sawyer that she detonated the bomb cause she "wanted him to go home". i just found that interesting.

[JMcCartyFBI]

Alright I'll say this right away, that I'm posting this without having done any backreading since last night on here. I didn't see the show live, I was feeling fairly ill last night and was in bed at 9, secure with the knowledge that I'd be DL'ing the torrent no later than midnight or 1am, and I did just that (on a sidenote, I went on abc.com at about 3am, and the one graphic said the premiere was online to view right then, but it really wasn't, because every click I made, the most recent one it kept sending me to was the enhanced version of the s5 finale). But so, I wound up watching the full show at like 4 this morning (I'd already seen the recap hour since it was available via torrent like 3 days ago).

One of my main thoughts that I'll be curious to see if anyone else picked up on... okay on Sayid suddenly waking up in the temple, from my listening to the radio apparently there's already a strong fan theory that Sayid in fact died but he was quickly inhabited by dead Jacob, and I admit I hadn't thought of that at all. But this is what I DID think about -- the concept that upon waking, Sayid's memory could be erased (mind you I still haven't seen next weeks previews). And my logic for this is, it seems probably that that pool of water was the very place Ben was brought to as a child after being shot, and Richard warned the Losties that by taking him, he'd never be the same, and he wouldn't remember any of this. And, since this process seems to have essentially taken place again, but with Sayid, maybe it will have the same result, Sayid will remember nothing about how he got hurt. Then again, there may be a difference on whether it's a kid or a full grown adult.

:BANG This was so obvious I completely forgot about it. But why people suffer memory loss is the question.

I'm also going with the assumption for now that everyone's appearance back on the uninterrupted 815 flight, their hairstyles and whatnot, being equal to how they look "now" as we know them on the island, and not mimicked to how they were back in the pilot, does not have any significance to it, that from a production standpoint it would be too much of a hassle to literally get them looking JUST like they did on the flight originally. But I mean, surely all the differences in behavior and dialogue from the pilot ep have meaning to them.

But hey we did get two pretty sizeable confirmations, even if it were things that we'd already guessed. That MiB=Smokezilla, and Richard arrived via the Black Rock. I looooooooooooooved the look on Richard's face when he asked "You!" right at the very end.

I wouldn't be so sure. In the past they have gone above and beyond the call to match up scenes. Obviously the actors look six years older, but they could have done a lot more if they wanted. Matching the fabric on their airplane seats, for example, would not have been difficult. But I think they are going out of their way to say that the two realities diverged in 1977, and since then all sorts of changes have happened. So they are going to grow up to be similar people but not the same people.

[pathetic]

nothing bad ever happens to me, i'm the luckiest guy in the world

-hurley

:lol

[41ravens]

:BANG This was so obvious I completely forgot about it. But why people suffer memory loss is the question.



I wouldn't be so sure. In the past they have gone above and beyond the call to match up scenes. Obviously the actors look six years older, but they could have done a lot more if they wanted. Matching the fabric on their airplane seats, for example, would not have been difficult. But I think they are going out of their way to say that the two realities diverged in 1977, and since then all sorts of changes have happened. So they are going to grow up to be similar people but not the same people.

yeah, they made it quite obvious that more has changed in their lives than just the plane not crashing. hurley being the luckiest guy in the world. shannon not being on the flight. jin and sun not being married (good catch, rj). so the "reset" didn't just change the flight. it changed their lives leading up to it.

[Beebz]

See they are still focusing on the on-island characters right now. Those are the characters we grew to love. The alternate time line is kind of what could have been or what will be. If that makes any sense. I don't think the questions they built in last night are going to be big hurdles to clear. I think they will answer themselves as this season goes along. But the narrative scheme they are using this season could be genius. I think as LOST fans we have been waiting for 5 seasons now for the big answers and it was kind of a let down that we got scraps in the 2 hour premiere. I'm reserving my judgment until May 23rd, but I definitely think they are ending the show in make or break fashion.

Yes, they're focusing on the characters, but they're doing it off-island, which is infinitely less interesting. If you ask any Lost fan what they'd rather have--a hour of on-island action or a split between on and off, they'd all say on-island. There's just more meat there.

In the past the narrative device was necessary and interesting. There was a reason for flashbacks/flashforwards--it enhanced the story. This isnt doing that for me. I dont care that Kate got away or that Locke still cant walk or whatever. I mean its fine, but why not make that a webisode or something?

Like I said, its only a fraction of the season and we'll see where it goes. I reseve the right to change my mind on this.

[pathetic]

yeah, they made it quite obvious that more has changed in their lives than just the plane not crashing. hurley being the luckiest guy in the world. shannon not being on the flight. jin and sun not being married (good catch, rj). so the "reset" didn't just change the flight. it changed their lives leading up to it.

i didnt notice the sun/jin not being married thing...i thought jin turned to her and made her button up her blouse. they were def together

[RJP2741]

I liked the "what I liked, what I didn't" idea, here's mine.

What I liked:
- The subtle and not so subtle differences on 815
- Terry O'Quinn, he was phenomenal last night.
- The set up to find out a lot more about Richard
- Finally learning about what happened to the survivors that were abducted
- Finding out Smokie was Mr. X

What I didn't like:
- Juliet being alive, even for a little while
- That Asian sensei guy (not racist), just a little over the top and requires unnecessary translation of dialogue.
- That they teased us with bringing Jacob back and then took him away.
- Predictable ending. When the scene started my first thought was "it will end with Sayid waking up", then I thought "The Others will take Jack to talk to Christian, 'Hello, Son' *LOST*, then back to Sayid.
- The CGI. If it looks that bad, just don't do it.

What I'm not sure about:
- What the first scene with Miles and Kate being unable to hear themselves means. I thought it related to the fact that the Island is underwater, now I'm not so sure.
- How long I want the alternate reality LAX storyline to go on for.

[dobyblue]

yeah i thought it was corny that juliet was still alive like you said

She set off a nuclear bomb though - why is it any more corny that she was still alive than ANY of the other cast that would have been instantly vaporized?

[41ravens]

i didnt notice the sun/jin not being married thing...i thought jin turned to her and made her button up her blouse. they were def together

yeah, they were together. but as rj pointed out, the security guard at the airport called her ms. paik, rather than mrs. kwon.

[41ravens]

She set off a nuclear bomb though - why is it any more corny that she was still alive than ANY of the other cast that would have been instantly vaporized?

yeah, i'm not upset at all about juliet surviving. if she survived the friggin fall down the well, then it's not that far-fetched to assume she lived a little longer through the flash. also, the bomb has nothing to do with it. if juliet should've died from the bomb, they all should have.

[pathetic]

She set off a nuclear bomb though - why is it any more corny that she was still alive than ANY of the other cast that would have been instantly vaporized?

yeah...not really sure how they could explain it other than the island's magnetic pocket having something to do with it, but that's kind of a stretch...

yeah, they were together. but as rj pointed out, the security guard at the airport called her ms. paik, rather than mrs. kwon.

ohhh i didnt even notice...

[RJP2741]

yeah, i'm not upset at all about juliet surviving. if she survived the friggin fall down the well, then it's not that far-fetched to assume she lived a little longer through the flash. also, the bomb has nothing to do with it. if juliet should've died from the bomb, they all should have.

That's a good point actually, and she didn't get impaled by any metal or anything (as miraculous as that is). I guess I'm not totally mad about that, and it did serve a purpose which is good. They didn't just throw her in the premiere for the sake of throwing her in the premiere. She gave Sawyer some direction for this season and threw out a clue with the "It worked" thing Miles picked up.

[Beebz]

She set off a nuclear bomb though - why is it any more corny that she was still alive than ANY of the other cast that would have been instantly vaporized?

It was the fact that 12 tons of sharp metal that kinda made it seem implausible. It just felt like they strung out the death just to string it out. The "it worked" thing could have still happened.

I liked the "what I liked, what I didn't" idea, here's mine.

What I liked:
- The subtle and not so subtle differences on 815
- Terry O'Quinn, he was phenomenal last night.
- The set up to find out a lot more about Richard
- Finally learning about what happened to the survivors that were abducted
- Finding out Smokie was Mr. X

What I didn't like:
- Juliet being alive, even for a little while
- That Asian sensei guy (not racist), just a little over the top and requires unnecessary translation of dialogue.
- That they teased us with bringing Jacob back and then took him away.
- Predictable ending. When the scene started my first thought was "it will end with Sayid waking up", then I thought "The Others will take Jack to talk to Christian, 'Hello, Son' *LOST*, then back to Sayid.
- The CGI. If it looks that bad, just don't do it.

What I'm not sure about:
- What the first scene with Miles and Kate being unable to hear themselves means. I thought it related to the fact that the Island is underwater, now I'm not so sure.
- How long I want the alternate reality LAX storyline to go on for.

We always knew they were with the Others, though, right? We didnt really learn anything. Hell, it only opened up more questions.

[RJP2741]

It was the fact that 12 tons of sharp metal that kinda made it seem implausible. It just felt like they strung out the death just to string it out. The "it worked" thing could have still happened.



We always knew they were with the Others, though, right? We didnt really learn anything. Hell, it only opened up more questions.

That's true, I guess I was just happy to see where they've actually been for the last 3 years, and we got a little more insight into the Lists.

Also, might be a little bit of a stretch because they had Sayid with them (although he was pretty much dead) but those are the same 4 Losties on Jacob's list at the end of Season 2 too.

[joepsu0985]

It was the fact that 12 tons of sharp metal that kinda made it seem implausible. It just felt like they strung out the death just to string it out. The "it worked" thing could have still happened.



We always knew they were with the Others, though, right? We didnt really learn anything. Hell, it only opened up more questions.

Yeah, but when the Hatch blew up once Desmond turned the key, Charlie, Locke, Eko, and Desmond all survived.

[dh4645]

We always knew they were with the Others, though, right? We didnt really learn anything. Hell, it only opened up more questions.

well they were with the other OTHERS. haha

[41ravens]

attention sunny fans: notice anything about recent shows he's done?

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0568390/

did not catch him in there last night. i knew he was in that one way back when, but it's interesting that they brought him back for last night. maybe it was just for shits and gigs as he doesn't play a major role in LOST whatsoever.

[Beebz]

attention sunny fans: notice anything about recent shows he's done?

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0568390/

did not catch him in there last night. i knew he was in that one way back when, but it's interesting that they brought him back for last night. maybe it was just for shits and gigs as he doesn't play a major role in LOST whatsoever.

Yeah, they said he was going to have a small role this season. But I didnt see him last night, either.

[jkrue22]

attention sunny fans: notice anything about recent shows he's done?

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0568390/

did not catch him in there last night. i knew he was in that one way back when, but it's interesting that they brought him back for last night. maybe it was just for shits and gigs as he doesn't play a major role in LOST whatsoever.

Whoa yea I remember him from the earlier episode (he's an Other), but I definitely didn't notice him last night!

[dobyblue]

It was the fact that 12 tons of sharp metal that kinda made it seem implausible. It just felt like they strung out the death just to string it out. The "it worked" thing could have still happened.

My point is that if anything it's surviving the fall that was circumspect, not surviving the nuclear weapon. If Jack/Kate/Sawyer/etc. survived the nuclear weapon then so too would Juliet having already survived the fall.

[WaltzingBack]

This might've already been mentioned but I don't feel like back-reading. I have a theory that Jacob is now in Sayid's body. That's probably why he had Hurley bring Sayid to the Temple, so he could make the transfer. And that would also explain why Sayid miraculously came back to life. Just a thought.

[KTCluvsDMB]

This might've already been mentioned but I don't feel like back-reading. I have a theory that Jacob is now in Sayid's body. That's probably why he had Hurley bring Sayid to the Temple. Just a thought.


WHOA. YES! i didn't even think of that. that is so it.... it's also why he came back to life miraculously.

[RJP2741]

This might've already been mentioned but I don't feel like back-reading. I have a theory that Jacob is now in Sayid's body. That's probably why he had Hurley bring Sayid to the Temple, so he could make the transfer. And that would also explain why Sayid miraculously came back to life. Just a thought.

WHOA. YES! i didn't even think of that. that is so it.... it's also why he came back to life miraculously.

It has been brought up, that's the way I'm leaning at this point too. Though Damon and Carlton were on Jimmy Kimmel last night and they said that this theory would evolve more over the next 2 or 3 episodes, whatever that means.

[Beebz]

My point is that if anything it's surviving the fall that was circumspect, not surviving the nuclear weapon. If Jack/Kate/Sawyer/etc. survived the nuclear weapon then so too would Juliet having already survived the fall.

I thought you were waiting to watch this on Blu Ray 3D or whatever. Why are we having this conversation? :lol

And I dont think Jacob is in Sayid's body. That doesnt make sense. There is no "other" Sayid body, the water has healed before (Ben), and Jacob said Sayid needed to live, not die.

[dh4645]

WHOA. YES! i didn't even think of that. that is so it.... it's also why he came back to life miraculously.

i was the first to post that last night a few pages back, but then i said just kidding for the reasons below.

not my quote, but explained better

As of right now, I am not buying the Sayid = Jacob theory. As other have said, the smoke monster hasn't possessed John's body, he is simply appearing as John. Presumably this is how the "rules" work. Sayid's body has been with Hurly the entire time. The only opportunity for some kind of switch to be made would have been when they first entered the temple's outer wall and were kidnapped by the Others. Since the camera is on Jack when that happens, presumably there could have been some kind of switch at that time. But if that happened, and Jacob was pretending to be Sayid by the time they entered the temple, why go through all the theatrics of dying and then coming back to life?

Nope, I stand by my theory that Sayid was never really dead to begin with, because I think Miles was trying to communicate with him and couldn't. What happened to him, then? Here's a theory completely out of left field. The water is somehow a way to shift between the two realities. The Sayid that woke up wondering what the hell was going on was the Sayid that helped Jack save Charlie on the plane. Which would mean that from now on, the Sayid we know is now back in the 2004 reality. He and Juliette will somehow team up and find a way to send her into the 2007 reality to let Sawyer know that the bomb worked.

[41ravens]

maybe since jacob is "dead", he can inhabit the body of sayid. we don't know if MIB is dead, so perhaps he can just take the form of something, but he can't actually inhabit the body. since jacob is actually dead, maybe he can take over the body.

:lol this show is really weird.

[mja271]

:lol this show is really weird.

:lol:lol that's an understatement

Having just rewatched Season 1 recently, it's hard to believe this is even the same show.

[WaltzingBack]

I thought you were waiting to watch this on Blu Ray 3D or whatever. Why are we having this conversation? :lol

And I dont think Jacob is in Sayid's body. That doesnt make sense. There is no "other" Sayid body, the water has healed before (Ben), and Jacob said Sayid needed to live, not die.

yeah, cuz a character on this show has NEVER lied to get what they want ;)

And as far as the "other" body goes, maybe the reason there's 2 Locke bodies is because the smoke monster can change into whatever form it wants to. Maybe Jacob can't do that and needs to possess the original body. This is just a theory, I could definitely be wrong and probably am bc this show proves me wrong all the time :)

[RJP2741]

And I dont think Jacob is in Sayid's body. That doesnt make sense. There is no "other" Sayid body, the water has healed before (Ben), and Jacob said Sayid needed to live, not die.

Maybe this is Jacob's advantage over the man in black? The man in black gets to be the smoke monster, Jacob can inhabit other people's bodies? That's fair right?

[41ravens]

or maybe it had something to with the temple. if jacob did possess the body, he made sure that hurley got sayid to the temple before he could do it.

[Beebz]

There are too many holes in the theory. If Jacob is Sayid, then that means Jacob has been Ben since Ben was a boy.

Anyway, the EW recap is up.

http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20313460_20341211,00.html

[jkrue22]

Doc Jensen is pretentious, but he's also somewhat of an eccentric genius:

"But I can't resist the Paradiso. Dante's vision of heaven is comprised of nine spheres. After moving beyond the ninth sphere, which is the home to angels (city of angels?), Dante finally gets to the Empyrean, where all living souls become interconnected (cue Charlie: ''You All Everybody'') to form a giant cosmic rose. But before becoming part of the rose, Dante meets with… Bernard. Seriously. St. Bernard. And you know what St. Bernard does? He brings Dante face to face with the ultimate man behind the curtain. And you know what God gives Dante? That's right: Answers. Answers to the biggest questions of human existence. Some answers make sense; some are so beyond Dante's comprehension that they defy explanation. But Dante doesn't care. His journey has ended, and there is the happily ever after in the company of the ''You All Everybody'' of countless souls across infinite worlds." :freak

http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20313460_20341211_2,00.html

[41ravens]

reading through the theories on lostpedia has made me go cross-eyed.

[Beebz]

reading through the theories on lostpedia has made me go cross-eyed.

I never, ever, look at fan theories for precisely that reason.

Also, it seems pretty clear now that it was Smokey in the cabin the entire time, not Jacob. When Ben took Locke there a few seasons ago, the room swirled and screencaps got a small glimpse of an apparition that looked like Locke. Made no sense at the time, but now, it all lines up perfectly. The Others found a way to trap Smokey in the shack. Once the seal was broken (by who?), Smokey was allowed to roam free. Hating that place, Smokey/Locke burned the cabin in the season 5 finale. We all the flash of Locke as foreshadowing to what would happen.

[water_into_wine]

I liked the "what I liked, what I didn't" idea, here's mine.

What I liked:
- The subtle and not so subtle differences on 815
- Terry O'Quinn, he was phenomenal last night.
- The set up to find out a lot more about Richard
- Finally learning about what happened to the survivors that were abducted
- Finding out Smokie was Mr. X

What I didn't like:
- Juliet being alive, even for a little while
- That Asian sensei guy (not racist), just a little over the top and requires unnecessary translation of dialogue.
- That they teased us with bringing Jacob back and then took him away.
- Predictable ending. When the scene started my first thought was "it will end with Sayid waking up", then I thought "The Others will take Jack to talk to Christian, 'Hello, Son' *LOST*, then back to Sayid.
- The CGI. If it looks that bad, just don't do it.

What I'm not sure about:
- What the first scene with Miles and Kate being unable to hear themselves means. I thought it related to the fact that the Island is underwater, now I'm not so sure.
- How long I want the alternate reality LAX storyline to go on for.

I thought it was that too for a second, but I think it may have been more because a hydrogen bomb/electromagnetic for went off.

attention sunny fans: notice anything about recent shows he's done?

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0568390/

did not catch him in there last night. i knew he was in that one way back when, but it's interesting that they brought him back for last night. maybe it was just for shits and gigs as he doesn't play a major role in LOST whatsoever.

Funny because I watched the "Room 23" clip and forgot he was the one Other guard.

[Beebz]

Some very, very interesting spoilers:




Hurley speaks to someone very close to Richard's past and conveys this person's message to Richard. Definite tearjerker on par with when we first meet Bernand and he finds out Rose is okay in season 2.

- Man in Black has a true nemesis - and it's not Jacob.

-"Happily Ever After" marks Desmond's full return - his centric episode as well. His "flash-sideways" feature Charlie, Daniel, Penny, Mommy, Jack, Widmore, and Claire. Widmore and Desmond share some of that famous scotch. Des has to make a very, very big sacrifice.

- "Everybody Loves Hugo" marks the return of Libby and Michael. Michael is a ghost on island and Libby and Hurley date in his "flash-sideways." Locke gets run over. Man can't catch a break, can he?



Arrrrrrrrgh, next episode is Kate-centric. Its the one that scored terrible by everyone who has seen it. Dammit.

[water_into_wine]

That last spoiler has me excited the most.

Damn, probably should not have read that.

[Beebz]

^^^^^^, hmmm, maybe Im wrong:

Just Wait Till You See Next Week's Episode. More on that in tonight's first Lost Redux (should be posted about 10 pm ET/7 pm PT), but I now know what's in store for next week and in all seriousness could not sleep last night thinking about all the ramifications of it. It will be an entirely different series with an entirely different framework after the end of next Tuesday's episode.

[Beebz]

That last spoiler has me excited the most.

Damn, probably should not have read that.

The second one has my head spinning.

[Beebz]

Season finale is now on SUNDAY, May 23rd. Two hours.

[RJP2741]

^ How bad is the spoiler? Is it just about next week? Does it ruin the episode or anything or just start a conversation?

[Beebz]

^ How bad is the spoiler? Is it just about next week? Does it ruin the episode or anything or just start a conversation?

The spoilers dont really give anything away in terms of deaths or answers or anything. Its just some things that happen over the course of the season.

[RJP2741]

The spoilers dont really give anything away in terms of deaths or answers or anything. Its just some things that happen over the course of the season.

Thanks, I'm not gonna look then. I try to avoid spoilers that extend further than an episode in advance. Sounds like its awesome though.

[pathetic]

Thanks, I'm not gonna look then. I try to avoid spoilers that extend further than an episode in advance. Sounds like its awesome though.

i dont even look at the scenes for next weeks episode :lol i hate seeing anything that's not readily available to watch :lol

spoilers = :thumbsdow

i get so tempted though :lol

[timg1414]

I was kind of on the fence about return to Lost this season after missing all of last season but after that episode lastnight I cant wait to see how it ends.

[Beebz]

i dont even look at the scenes for next weeks episode :lol i hate seeing anything that's not readily available to watch :lol

spoilers = :thumbsdow

i get so tempted though :lol

With the way they make us wait for shit on this show, I dont mind looking. I was read episode recaps or anything, but I dont mind knowing some things that will be addressed. The ones I posted dont reveal an answer to anything or spoil a plot point, they just make you think about things differently.

[javierm27]

Wow, I still can't shake what I saw last night. Man, I love this show, I will need to rewatch this episode.

[RJP2741]

If anyone rewatches today could you do me a favor? My girlfriend swears that the "body guards" that Smokie killed in the statue are the same two guys that were trying to bring Jack to have a conversation in private at the end of the episode, I didn't notice that so if anyone rewatches keep a look out.

[pathetic]

With the way they make us wait for shit on this show, I dont mind looking. I was read episode recaps or anything, but I dont mind knowing some things that will be addressed. The ones I posted dont reveal an answer to anything or spoil a plot point, they just make you think about things differently.

oh yeah, i know you guys dont know whats gonna happen and most of the stuff you post are just small spoilers that help put together certain pieces of theories...

the previews for next week came on and i shut it off immediately, i just dont like trying to break down a 20 second clip when it's usually misleading anyway :lol

meh...i'll prob see it tonight :lol

[dobyblue]

I thought you were waiting to watch this on Blu Ray 3D or whatever. Why are we having this conversation? :lol

:lol

I was sooooooo trying my best to wait, but the thought of all the media (facebook, twits, e-mails, office chat, previews during other tv shows, etc., etc.) spoilers made me realize it was going to be an impossible task so I'm just going to have to suffer through the 720p lossy Dolby Digital 5.1 broadcast!
:(

I'm sure watching the entire thing from Season 1 to Season 6 on Blu-ray in glorious 1080p with lossless surround will still be very much worth it based on how much new stuff is spotted and or remembered.

And I dont think Jacob is in Sayid's body. That doesnt make sense. There is no "other" Sayid body, the water has healed before (Ben), and Jacob said Sayid needed to live, not die.

I think this is much more likely.

[timg1414]

Sayids death was loaded with symbolism. He was put in the water (baptised), died, and rose again. As they carried him out of the water his arms were out stretched as if he was crucified.

[antsman41]

watchin season 2 right now, and sawyer calls the island "home" in episode 2 when he and michael float back...

[dobyblue]

I never, ever, look at fan theories for precisely that reason.

Also, it seems pretty clear now that it was Smokey in the cabin the entire time, not Jacob. When Ben took Locke there a few seasons ago, the room swirled and screencaps got a small glimpse of an apparition that looked like Locke. Made no sense at the time, but now, it all lines up perfectly. The Others found a way to trap Smokey in the shack. Once the seal was broken (by who?), Smokey was allowed to roam free. Hating that place, Smokey/Locke burned the cabin in the season 5 finale. We all the flash of Locke as foreshadowing to what would happen.

Awesomeness.

I wonder when and how it was trapped though as it has clearly terrorized plenty of people from the moment it first drags the pilot of 815 out of his seat in "The Pilot" to killing Eko, etc., etc.

[pathetic]

Sayids death was loaded with symbolism. He was put in the water (baptised), died, and rose again. As they carried him out of the water his arms were out stretched as if he was crucified.


i agree with all the symbolism and the crucified positioning of Sayid, but how else would be be positioned? he's a limp, dead body :lol

[antsman41]

Awesomeness.

I wonder when and how it was trapped though as it has clearly terrorized plenty of people from the moment it first drags the pilot of 815 out of his seat in "The Pilot" to killing Eko, etc., etc.

wasn't the cabin surrounded by the black powder that blocks the monster...

[timg1414]

i agree with all the symbolism and the crucified positioning of Sayid, but how else would be be positioned? he's a limp, dead body :lol

His arms could have been in a number of different positions. They could have been across his chest or by his side.

[pathetic]

His arms could have been in a number of different positions. They could have been across his chest or by his side.

just messin with ya

;)

[water_into_wine]

I never, ever, look at fan theories for precisely that reason.

Also, it seems pretty clear now that it was Smokey in the cabin the entire time, not Jacob. When Ben took Locke there a few seasons ago, the room swirled and screencaps got a small glimpse of an apparition that looked like Locke. Made no sense at the time, but now, it all lines up perfectly. The Others found a way to trap Smokey in the shack. Once the seal was broken (by who?), Smokey was allowed to roam free. Hating that place, Smokey/Locke burned the cabin in the season 5 finale. We all the flash of Locke as foreshadowing to what would happen.

No, Illana and her group burned it. I don't know who was in it. I still think it might have been Jacob.

Either way, I think it is important to notice that Ben and his group of Others somehow lived with Smokie and even could call on him. They obviously didn't understand what he was, but if they were "people of Jacob" then why didn't he destroy them?

[Beebz]

Awesomeness.

I wonder when and how it was trapped though as it has clearly terrorized plenty of people from the moment it first drags the pilot of 815 out of his seat in "The Pilot" to killing Eko, etc., etc.

Thats what doesnt fit. When was the seal broken? Because Smokey was around in 1977, too.

wasn't the cabin surrounded by the black powder that blocks the monster...

The seal was broken.

[Beebz]

No, Illana and her group burned it. I don't know who was in it. I still think it might have been Jacob.

Either way, I think it is important to notice that Ben and his group of Others somehow lived with Smokie and even could call on him. They obviously didn't understand what he was, but if they were "people of Jacob" then why didn't he destroy them?

Ahhh, that's right.

I dont think Smokey can just wipe everyone out. Remember, when they were burning the cabin, he was still pretending to be locke. He couldnt just disappear and wipe people out.

[antsman41]

so when did this mib figure out he could use locke as a tool/pawn?

and how did he know ben would kill locke...

[water_into_wine]

Ahhh, that's right.

I dont think Smokey can just wipe everyone out. Remember, when they were burning the cabin, he was still pretending to be locke. He couldnt just disappear and wipe people out.

I'm speaking more in the past when Ben was leading the Others. They seemed to know Smokey and know how to live with it. Even Richard. Then Ben even knew how to call it (i.e. After Alex is killed).

[Beebz]

I'm speaking more in the past when Ben was leading the Others. They seemed to know Smokey and know how to live with it. Even Richard. Then Ben even knew how to call it (i.e. After Alex is killed).

I dont think they knew what it was, though. Security system seemed to be their thinking. Ben used it like a pit bull.

[water_into_wine]

I dont think they knew what it was, though. Security system seemed to be their thinking. Ben used it like a pit bull.

Yeah, I said they didn't know what it was originally, but I guess my main point is if they were people of Jacob then why didn't Smokey just destroy them? Why hadn't he taken out Richard before?

[hbktonyb]

I think the biggest thing that is blowing my mind is that if there are 2 timelines, Jack could fix Locke off the island.

[javierm27]

Yeah, I said they didn't know what it was originally, but I guess my main point is if they were people of Jacob then why didn't Smokey just destroy them? Why hadn't he taken out Richard before?

A stretch but maybe Smokey saw how manipulative Ben was and wanted to keep him around. In last nights episode Smokey pointed out to Ben that hes been watching his actions.

[javierm27]

I think the biggest thing that is blowing my mind is that if there are 2 timelines, Jack could fix Locke off the island.

Yeah that was great, I mean its definitely not a given, but it was cool to hint that Jack might be able to help Locke walk.

[water_into_wine]

A stretch but maybe Smokey saw how manipulative Ben was and wanted to keep him around. In last nights episode Smokey pointed out to Ben that hes been watching his actions.

Good point.

[franknads]

I think the biggest thing that is blowing my mind is that if there are 2 timelines, Jack could fix Locke off the island.

I wonder what will be up with Arron and Jin/Sun's kid. they have to factor in somehow. there was way too much stuff built up about how important those kids were. I'd assume by now kids can't be born because they experience temporal displacement in the womb or something since the baby was always lost in the 3rd trimester. it makes you wonder if the whole babies not being able to be born on the island thing has something to do with the multiple time lines existing now. still trillions of questions to be answered.

[franknads]

also it was awesome fogert(sp?) made an appearance on plane bizzaro.

[william.hosking]

I got really sad last night seeing Locke in the plane, knowing that he wasn't able to walk. Especially when the plane landed and he was watching everyone leave, just waiting for his wheelchair. It really made me sad. He and Ben are two of my favorite TV characters of all-time.

[JMcCartyFBI]

I never, ever, look at fan theories for precisely that reason.

Also, it seems pretty clear now that it was Smokey in the cabin the entire time, not Jacob. When Ben took Locke there a few seasons ago, the room swirled and screencaps got a small glimpse of an apparition that looked like Locke. Made no sense at the time, but now, it all lines up perfectly. The Others found a way to trap Smokey in the shack. Once the seal was broken (by who?), Smokey was allowed to roam free. Hating that place, Smokey/Locke burned the cabin in the season 5 finale. We all the flash of Locke as foreshadowing to what would happen.

I haven't really decided on this. It all depends on when that seal was broken. I'm leaning against thinking that the ash was to keep the smoke monster in, though. If that were true, and the cabin was meant to contain the smoke monster, then the seal would have to have been broken prior to 2004. Richard and Ben presumably went to the cabin several times during that period to get instructions from Jacob. Iliana noticed that the seal was broken right off the bat. I have a hard time believing that Richard or Ben wouldn't have noticed at some point. That makes me think that the seal was broken recently, which would rule out the smoke monster being the one in the cabin.

Consider this as well. The cabin had the ability to move from place to place. That makes since if it was Jacob (or someone else) in the cabin, trying to hide from the smoke monster.

[franknads]

I got really sad last night seeing Locke in the plane, knowing that he wasn't able to walk. Especially when the plane landed and he was watching everyone leave, just waiting for his wheelchair. It really made me sad. He and Ben are two of my favorite TV characters of all-time.

It made me a little misty when john was tearing up talking to jack and rather than dismiss locke like he had in the past he was all about helping him. Jack offered to do that shit for free. spinal surgery for free to a total stranger. it's like locke and jack knew that they were suppose to meet there in the lobby after talking. I like how they made it feel like you could see it in their eyes. real emotional scene for what it was.

[WaltzingBack]

I got really sad last night seeing Locke in the plane, knowing that he wasn't able to walk. Especially when the plane landed and he was watching everyone leave, just waiting for his wheelchair. It really made me sad. He and Ben are two of my favorite TV characters of all-time.

yeah it was such a sad episode Locke-wise. the fact that his last thoughts were "I'm so confused" made me so sad! :(

[RJP2741]

I haven't really decided on this. It all depends on when that seal was broken. I'm leaning against thinking that the ash was to keep the smoke monster in, though. If that were true, and the cabin was meant to contain the smoke monster, then the seal would have to have been broken prior to 2004. Richard and Ben presumably went to the cabin several times during that period to get instructions from Jacob. Iliana noticed that the seal was broken right off the bat. I have a hard time believing that Richard or Ben wouldn't have noticed at some point. That makes me think that the seal was broken recently, which would rule out the smoke monster being the one in the cabin.

Consider this as well. The cabin had the ability to move from place to place. That makes since if it was Jacob (or someone else) in the cabin, trying to hide from the smoke monster.

The one problem I have with this idea is because of a line from one of the Temple Others last night. When they realize Jacob is dead, one of them says to the Losties "We're not doing this to keep you in, we're doing this to keep him out" or something like that as they are pouring ash around everything.

[franknads]

I haven't really decided on this. It all depends on when that seal was broken. I'm leaning against thinking that the ash was to keep the smoke monster in, though. If that were true, and the cabin was meant to contain the smoke monster, then the seal would have to have been broken prior to 2004. Richard and Ben presumably went to the cabin several times during that period to get instructions from Jacob. Iliana noticed that the seal was broken right off the bat. I have a hard time believing that Richard or Ben wouldn't have noticed at some point. That makes me think that the seal was broken recently, which would rule out the smoke monster being the one in the cabin.

Consider this as well. The cabin had the ability to move from place to place. That makes since if it was Jacob (or someone else) in the cabin, trying to hide from the smoke monster.

I think it was broken during one of the time jumps. possibly when hurley took locke and ben there. bam time jump to the past and now the line is broken and he is free to roam through time on the island re-writing what happens. the monster is there day 1 the survivors are on the island.

that ash is important, brahm(sp?) put it around him and it did keep the monster at bay until the monster threw that boulder or made the ceiling fall, still not sure exactly happened. the people at the temple instantly started putting that ash around their temple as soon as they heard jacob was dead. the real mythological parts are coming out now. they crescendo you into the weirdness in a nice way. I remember after seeing the first episode for teh first time I thought there was an honest possibility for dinosaurs to be on the island haha.

[CaffeineQueen]

Lots and lots of shit going on in this episode.

My theory: Jacob isn't inside Sayid. RICHARD is.

that was my first thought, but I don't know if he ever really died. The whole takeover doesn't REALLY make sense since there's not an extra body and Miles wasn't able to hear him. This is the thing that's bothering me the most out of last night.

[WaltzingBack]

I think it was broken during one of the time jumps. possibly when hurley took locke and ben there. bam time jump to the past and now the line is broken and he is free to roam through time on the island re-writing what happens. the monster is there day 1 the survivors are on the island.

that ash is important, brahm(sp?) put it around him and it did keep the monster at bay until the monster threw that boulder or made the ceiling fall, still not sure exactly happened. the people at the temple instantly started putting that ash around their temple as soon as they heard jacob was dead. the real mythological parts are coming out now. they crescendo you into the weirdness in a nice way. I remember after seeing the first episode for teh first time I thought there was an honest possibility for dinosaurs to be on the island haha.

:thumbsup i thought the same thing. it's amazing how far this show has come. it's so different than it was the first season.

[thebridge15]

Miles couldn't hear Sayid. Ipso facto, Sayid was never dead. He asked what happened because think about what he's been through. He got shot BEFORE the bomb even exploded. A lot of shit happened while he was streaming in and out of consciousness. Naturally he has no idea what happened.

Why did MiB wait to attack Eko until way later? There was that one time when the Smoke just chilled in front of Eko, yes displaying images of Eko's past but not killing him right away.

[Beebz]

I think it was broken during one of the time jumps. possibly when hurley took locke and ben there. bam time jump to the past and now the line is broken and he is free to roam through time on the island re-writing what happens. the monster is there day 1 the survivors are on the island.

that ash is important, brahm(sp?) put it around him and it did keep the monster at bay until the monster threw that boulder or made the ceiling fall, still not sure exactly happened. the people at the temple instantly started putting that ash around their temple as soon as they heard jacob was dead. the real mythological parts are coming out now. they crescendo you into the weirdness in a nice way. I remember after seeing the first episode for teh first time I thought there was an honest possibility for dinosaurs to be on the island haha.

This is certainly plausible. I think someone managed to trap MIB in the cabin, and that ash ring was dislodged during a time jump, most like in the 1950s. That would explain how MIB was able to lurk around in 1977, too.