LOST (the tv show)

[Beebz]

haha, thought this was kinda funny. its from Warming Glow:

My take? I continue to be amazed that people are awed by this show. I mean, it’s good television, but I’m astounded that more people don’t recognize the lazy writing devices (the Juliet-Sawyer conversation sticks out) and plot points that are ridiculously campy (I laughed through most of the temple scenes). I can’t help but feel that ten years from now, pop culture won’t look back so fondly on “Lost.” When VH1 inevitably makes “I Love the ’00s,” it’s totally going to make fun of the fans who reveled in the show’s mystique — and then you people will finally feel the sting of Godfrey’s sarcastic barbs.

[thebridge15]

What ashes were they using? I mean, they used Jacob's while in the foot, but what about for the cabin?

[breckbrew]

This show has jumped the shark. I've been with it from the beginning, but this fountain of youth shit is just ridiculous.

As others have said, in no way should the fountain of youth make you think the show jumped the shark. We've known for awhile now the island has healing powers, no surpise they used a pool of water to try and revive Sayid.

While I wasn't thrilled with the premiere, I feel like it could be one of those things where you look back on it in 10 weeks or so, and alot of important seeds were planted for the final outcomes of the show.

I liked the premiere and agree with the second part of your post. I really like the way they set the stage for this to conclude. I believe the producers when they said they always knew what they were doing/were the show was going and I don't think I'll be disappointed with this approach.

I never, ever, look at fan theories for precisely that reason.

Also, it seems pretty clear now that it was Smokey in the cabin the entire time, not Jacob. When Ben took Locke there a few seasons ago, the room swirled and screencaps got a small glimpse of an apparition that looked like Locke. Made no sense at the time, but now, it all lines up perfectly. The Others found a way to trap Smokey in the shack. Once the seal was broken (by who?), Smokey was allowed to roam free. Hating that place, Smokey/Locke burned the cabin in the season 5 finale. We all the flash of Locke as foreshadowing to what would happen.

This is a good thought, but I'm not sure I agree with it. I'll have to think about this some more.

A stretch but maybe Smokey saw how manipulative Ben was and wanted to keep him around. In last nights episode Smokey pointed out to Ben that hes been watching his actions.

Yeah, I think Smokey was actually playing Ben the whole time, and Ben, though he thought he was the master manipulator, really was being set-up the whole time as Smokey had him kill Jacob.

Miles couldn't hear Sayid. Ipso facto, Sayid was never dead. He asked what happened because think about what he's been through. He got shot BEFORE the bomb even exploded. A lot of shit happened while he was streaming in and out of consciousness. Naturally he has no idea what happened.

Why did MiB wait to attack Eko until way later? There was that one time when the Smoke just chilled in front of Eko, yes displaying images of Eko's past but not killing him right away.

Perhaps Smokey was just looking for the right person to inhabit -seems like Locke really struck a chord with Smokey for some reason (faith), Eko too was a man of faith - Smokey must like that, that's why Eko was passed up, but something changed Smokey's mind about Eko.

[CaffeineQueen]

Some very, very interesting spoilers:




Hurley speaks to someone very close to Richard's past and conveys this person's message to Richard. Definite tearjerker on par with when we first meet Bernand and he finds out Rose is okay in season 2.

- Man in Black has a true nemesis - and it's not Jacob.

-"Happily Ever After" marks Desmond's full return - his centric episode as well. His "flash-sideways" feature Charlie, Daniel, Penny, Mommy, Jack, Widmore, and Claire. Widmore and Desmond share some of that famous scotch. Des has to make a very, very big sacrifice.

- "Everybody Loves Hugo" marks the return of Libby and Michael. Michael is a ghost on island and Libby and Hurley date in his "flash-sideways." Locke gets run over. Man can't catch a break, can he?



Arrrrrrrrgh, next episode is Kate-centric. Its the one that scored terrible by everyone who has seen it. Dammit.



I kind of always wondered if there was a third.

Like, with the ashes, I think it was protecting something from Smokey, but not Jacob because he's been at the statue.

Also, I think Hurley made the break in the ashes that night he was all of a sudden by himself.

[breckbrew]

Also, anyone catch a good glimpse of Jack's business card? - wasn't sure if there was anything important on that (I know I'm grasping at straws/trying to hard) but they seemed to make a point of showing the face of the card. And Terry O'Quinn is awesome. Locke has always been my favorite character, but now that he is FLocke, I know I just really like O'Quinn as an actor. Hope to see him around in some other projects.

[Beebz]

Because they're both black?

/not racist

Nah, if they were both black then Smokey DEFINITELY would have killed him.

/racist

[quote=CaffeineQueen;10658320]Also, I think Hurley made the break in the ashes that night he was all of a sudden by himself.

That makes a lot of sense. Was that during the time flashes?

[Beebz]

Also, anyone catch a good glimpse of Jack's business card? - wasn't sure if there was anything important on that (I know I'm grasping at straws/trying to hard) but they seemed to make a point of showing the face of the card. And Terry O'Quinn is awesome. Locke has always been my favorite character, but now that he is FLocke, I know I just really like O'Quinn as an actor. Hope to see him around in some other projects.

FLocke = Fake Locke? Is that what this stands for?

[thebridge15]

No reason not to refer to Terry O'Quinn's character now in the same fashion as you would refer to Jacob's nemesis. "Locke" is laying dead on the beach. I just think we need a name to give to the MiB.

[Beefsteak1138]

Flatulent Locke.

[CaffeineQueen]

Because they're both black?

/not racist

Nah, if they were both black then Smokey DEFINITELY would have killed him.

/racist



That makes a lot of sense. Was that during the time flashes?

No, I think it was right after Charlie died and they split up. Sawyer asks him if he wants to talk and he says he's fine then poof! All by himself.

Also, I kind of have this weird thing that man in black shirt isn't really smokey. The loophole thing, yeah I get it, but I don't know. I really think he's the good guy and Jacob's the bad guy.

Who knows, my theory will change again after I rewatch. :confused

[DMBzilla]

Maybe I'm showing up at the party a little late (backread quite a bit) but some thoughts/questions I had after watching last night's episode...

1. My take on the two separate story lines is that in the island reality, the bomb did not go off, while in the real world reality it did. Had the bomb exploded in the island reality, there would be nothing left of the hatch, let alone Juliette. However, the island reality we saw showed things basically as they were left at the end of last season, with the electromagnetic fields pulling surrounding metal objects into the hole. I think in the real world reality, the bomb went off and, as Juliette said, "it worked" (though to what degree is yet to be seen). However, in the island reality, I think the white flash to end last season was simply one more skip in time, bringing everyone back to present day (or at least to 2007).

2. I think the differences in the original Flight 815 from what occurred in last night's retelling will end up as very important. The main things I noticed were...
- Jack being happy/friendly and willing to help both Charlie and Locke
- Boone returning to the U.S. without Shannon
- Hurley describing himself as the luckiest man in the world who nothing bad ever happens to
- Sawyer looking out for Hurley when he mentions winning the lottery (and helping Kate when he realizes her predicament in the elevator)
- Locke having a positive outlook on his own life
- Desmond being on the flight at all (and likely skipping time while jack helped Charlie)
- The notable absence of Walt and Michael, and several of the other peripheral characters (Ana Lucia, Libby, Eko, etc)

3. As far as the talk of the Cabin, I'm not sure what to think about who was in there. The idea that it was Jacob and that the circle was to protect him from the Nemesis doesn't seem to make sense, considering that until this episode the Nemesis could not harm Jacob. The idea that it was the Nemesis is also fairly weak, because, as we know, the Smoke Monster has had the ability to bounce around the island at will from the start of the show (or at least seems to be able to). The one thing that constantly sticks in my head was back when Ben took Locke to the cabin, and Locke went in and there was a very shaky and dark scene, but it showed a few brief glimpses of whoever was in there and I'm almost 100% sure (and I think it's been confirmed) that it was Christian.

4. Are we beyond the notion that Jacob is God and that the Nemesis is Satan? I know that obviously sounds too easy, but I don't think anything has happened thus far to disprove the theory. In fact, last night made me believe it more to an extent, with the Nemesis telling Ben to kill Jacob and Jacob responding with, "You don't have to. You have a choice" (i.e. free will).

Also, and I did a search but didn't see it mentioned here, one of ABC's promos for this season was the following image, which is a depiction of The Last Supper with the Lost characters. The interesting thing is that Locke is positioned as Jesus, while Sayid is placed in Judas' spot. Here's a link to an EW story about the ad:

http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20313460_20334411_2,00.html

...and here's a link to a super high-resolution copy of the picture: http://larryfire.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/lostlastsupper2.jpg

[WaltzingBack]

No reason not to refer to Terry O'Quinn's character now in the same fashion as you would refer to Jacob's nemesis. "Locke" is laying dead on the beach. I just think we need a name to give to the MiB.

i like FLocke :thumbsup

[Beebz]

No reason not to refer to Terry O'Quinn's character now in the same fashion as you would refer to Jacob's nemesis. "Locke" is laying dead on the beach. I just think we need a name to give to the MiB.

Yeah, its confusing when people refer to whatever as MiB or Flocke or smokey. Its gotta be one name for continuity's sake.

[thebridge15]

Yeah, its confusing when people refer to whatever as MiB or Flocke or smokey. Its gotta be one name for continuity's sake.I feel like he's going to get a pretty badass name. Like Ezequiel.

[Beebz]

Maybe I'm showing up at the party a little late (backread quite a bit) but some thoughts/questions I had after watching last night's episode...

1. My take on the two separate story lines is that in the island reality, the bomb did not go off, while in the real world reality it did. Had the bomb exploded in the island reality, there would be nothing left of the hatch, let alone Juliette. However, the island reality we saw showed things basically as they were left at the end of last season, with the electromagnetic fields pulling surrounding metal objects into the hole. I think in the real world reality, the bomb went off and, as Juliette said, "it worked" (though to what degree is yet to be seen). However, in the island reality, I think the white flash to end last season was simply one more skip in time, bringing everyone back to present day (or at least to 2007).

2. I think the differences in the original Flight 815 from what occurred in last night's retelling will end up as very important. The main things I noticed were...
- Jack being happy/friendly and willing to help both Charlie and Locke
- Boone returning to the U.S. without Shannon
- Hurley describing himself as the luckiest man in the world who nothing bad ever happens to
- Sawyer looking out for Hurley when he mentions winning the lottery (and helping Kate when he realizes her predicament in the elevator)
- Locke having a positive outlook on his own life
- Desmond being on the flight at all (and likely skipping time while jack helped Charlie)
- The notable absence of Walt and Michael, and several of the other peripheral characters (Ana Lucia, Libby, Eko, etc)

3. As far as the talk of the Cabin, I'm not sure what to think about who was in there. The idea that it was Jacob and that the circle was to protect him from the Nemesis doesn't seem to make sense, considering that until this episode the Nemesis could not harm Jacob. The idea that it was the Nemesis is also fairly weak, because, as we know, the Smoke Monster has had the ability to bounce around the island at will from the start of the show (or at least seems to be able to). The one thing that constantly sticks in my head was back when Ben took Locke to the cabin, and Locke went in and there was a very shaky and dark scene, but it showed a few brief glimpses of whoever was in there and I'm almost 100% sure (and I think it's been confirmed) that it was Christian.

4. Are we beyond the notion that Jacob is God and that the Nemesis is Satan? I know that obviously sounds too easy, but I don't think anything has happened thus far to disprove the theory. In fact, last night made me believe it more to an extent, with the Nemesis telling Ben to kill Jacob and Jacob responding with, "You don't have to. You have a choice" (i.e. free will).

Also, and I did a search but didn't see it mentioned here, one of ABC's promos for this season was the following image, which is a depiction of The Last Supper with the Lost characters. The interesting thing is that Locke is positioned as Jesus, while Sayid is placed in Judas' spot. Here's a link to an EW story about the ad:

http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20313460_20334411_2,00.html

...and here's a link to a super high-resolution copy of the picture: http://larryfire.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/lostlastsupper2.jpg

1. Good point

2. What if MiB was lying about being Smokey?

[Beebz]

I feel like he's going to get a pretty badass name. Like Ezequiel.

or Machete.

[thebridge15]

1. Good point

2. What if MiB was lying about being Smokey?Lying about being Smokey? I feel like he definitely is, or is controlling, the Smoke.

[CaffeineQueen]

1. Good point

2. What if MiB was lying about being Smokey?

yeah, I think Smokey and MiB are different. How was Locke able to go into the circle to move the guy that got hit in the head?

I really have a feeling MiB is not the bad guy.

I really think that "god" is Smokey.

[WaltzingBack]

Maybe I'm showing up at the party a little late (backread quite a bit) but some thoughts/questions I had after watching last night's episode...

1. My take on the two separate story lines is that in the island reality, the bomb did not go off, while in the real world reality it did. Had the bomb exploded in the island reality, there would be nothing left of the hatch, let alone Juliette. However, the island reality we saw showed things basically as they were left at the end of last season, with the electromagnetic fields pulling surrounding metal objects into the hole. I think in the real world reality, the bomb went off and, as Juliette said, "it worked" (though to what degree is yet to be seen). However, in the island reality, I think the white flash to end last season was simply one more skip in time, bringing everyone back to present day (or at least to 2007).

2. I think the differences in the original Flight 815 from what occurred in last night's retelling will end up as very important. The main things I noticed were...
- Jack being happy/friendly and willing to help both Charlie and Locke
- Boone returning to the U.S. without Shannon
- Hurley describing himself as the luckiest man in the world who nothing bad ever happens to
- Sawyer looking out for Hurley when he mentions winning the lottery (and helping Kate when he realizes her predicament in the elevator)
- Locke having a positive outlook on his own life
- Desmond being on the flight at all (and likely skipping time while jack helped Charlie)
- The notable absence of Walt and Michael, and several of the other peripheral characters (Ana Lucia, Libby, Eko, etc)

3. As far as the talk of the Cabin, I'm not sure what to think about who was in there. The idea that it was Jacob and that the circle was to protect him from the Nemesis doesn't seem to make sense, considering that until this episode the Nemesis could not harm Jacob. The idea that it was the Nemesis is also fairly weak, because, as we know, the Smoke Monster has had the ability to bounce around the island at will from the start of the show (or at least seems to be able to). The one thing that constantly sticks in my head was back when Ben took Locke to the cabin, and Locke went in and there was a very shaky and dark scene, but it showed a few brief glimpses of whoever was in there and I'm almost 100% sure (and I think it's been confirmed) that it was Christian.

4. Are we beyond the notion that Jacob is God and that the Nemesis is Satan? I know that obviously sounds too easy, but I don't think anything has happened thus far to disprove the theory. In fact, last night made me believe it more to an extent, with the Nemesis telling Ben to kill Jacob and Jacob responding with, "You don't have to. You have a choice" (i.e. free will).

Also, and I did a search but didn't see it mentioned here, one of ABC's promos for this season was the following image, which is a depiction of The Last Supper with the Lost characters. The interesting thing is that Locke is positioned as Jesus, while Sayid is placed in Judas' spot. Here's a link to an EW story about the ad:

http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20313460_20334411_2,00.html

...and here's a link to a super high-resolution copy of the picture: http://larryfire.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/lostlastsupper2.jpg
that lost supper thing is very interesting :thumbsup looks like Richard is James Minor and Ben is James Major

[Beebz]

Lying about being Smokey? I feel like he definitely is, or is controlling, the Smoke.

Yeah, so do I. But if he's controlling it and not ACTUALLY the smoke, that would explain how MiB could be locked in the cabin while Smokey roams free.

[thebridge15]

Yeah, so do I. But if he's controlling it and not ACTUALLY the smoke, that would explain how MiB could be locked in the cabin while Smokey roams free.Well I think Smokey was trapped in the cabin, but at some point, someone let him out.

[Beebz]

Well I think Smokey was trapped in the cabin, but at some point, someone let him out.

Yes, I think he was trapped in there at some point. How/when the ash was broken is what we need to learn.

Didnt Horace build that cabin?

[breckbrew]

Because they're both black?

/not racist

Nah, if they were both black then Smokey DEFINITELY would have killed him.

/racist



That makes a lot of sense. Was that during the time flashes?

:lol haha! Smokey was intimidated by another big black man being on the island.

I need to recap, but was there a point where Eko began to lose his faith before he got body-slammed by Smokey? I'm a little hazy about that now, but something seems to come to mind.

FLocke = Fake Locke? Is that what this stands for?


Yeah, I'm not sure what to do with Locke now, I guess call him Smokey but Smokey existed before Locke.

[Beebz]

The idea that someone said earlier is a major point that I think people are overlooking--if the MiB really is Smokey, there would be no reason for Jacob to encircle his cabin as some form of protection. MiB cant kill Jacob. Therefore, Smokey cant kill Jacob. Hell, Flocke knew where Jacob was (in the statue) the entire time. Its not like the cabin was moving to protect Jacob.

Again, I think someone trapped MiB in the cabin with the ash and sent the thing skipping through time. Whoever did this probably thought MiB had been dealt with for good, hence Richard's reaction to seeing MiB in Locke's body. I think the cabin landed in 2004, Hurley broke the ash by accident, the cabin skipped again to the 1950s, which feed MiB to leave and spend the next 50 years setting up his plan.

[jkrue22]

MIB = Esau = Smokey

He and Jacob are fighting over their "birthright"... the Island. So who's their father (Isaac)? Christian?

[thebridge15]

MIB = Esau = Smokey

He and Jacob are fighting over their "birthright"... the Island. So who's their father (Isaac)? Christian?Probably. And yes I'd go with Christian.

[UNLTrpt]

Next weeks show title:

What Kate Does.

Season 2, Episode 9

What Kate Did

[Beebz]

Probably. And yes I'd go with Christian.

But Christian was Jack's (and Claire's) human father. Doesnt make sense.

MiB and Jacob cant leave the island. How would that be their birthright? Doesnt make sense.

[thebridge15]

I don't think I want to deal with another Kate episode.

[UNLTrpt]

I thought hour 2 of last night was a lot better than hour 1.

[jkrue22]

But Christian was Jack's (and Claire's) human father. Doesnt make sense.

MiB and Jacob cant leave the island. How would that be their birthright? Doesnt make sense.

Umm Jacob can definitely leave the island.

Just because Christian is Jack and Claire's dad doesn't mean he can't also be other people's dad. Boom LOST.

[JMcCartyFBI]

But Christian was Jack's (and Claire's) human father. Doesnt make sense.

MiB and Jacob cant leave the island. How would that be their birthright? Doesnt make sense.

Jacob left the island many times, the most recent of which was after the Oceanic 6 got rescued, he talked to Sayid right before Nadiya got hit by the car.

[breckbrew]

The idea that someone said earlier is a major point that I think people are overlooking--if the MiB really is Smokey, there would be no reason for Jacob to encircle his cabin as some form of protection. MiB cant kill Jacob. Therefore, Smokey cant kill Jacob. Hell, Flocke knew where Jacob was (in the statue) the entire time. Its not like the cabin was moving to protect Jacob.

Again, I think someone trapped MiB in the cabin with the ash and sent the thing skipping through time. Whoever did this probably thought MiB had been dealt with for good, hence Richard's reaction to seeing MiB in Locke's body. I think the cabin landed in 2004, Hurley broke the ash by accident, the cabin skipped again to the 1950s, which feed MiB to leave and spend the next 50 years setting up his plan.

I almost remember Hurley kicking the powder? Anyone else?

[dmbman32]

Has anyone pointed out yet how badly Ben screwed up?

By killing the real Locke, he started a chain of events that allowed Smokey to wreak all this havoc.

[jkrue22]

When Desmond "meets" Jack on the plane he says "Nice to meet you... or to see you again." But the way he says it is really fast, and with the accent it sounds like "Odyssey again."

Which is fitting because he's always been on a quest to get back to Penelope... :)

[breckbrew]

I just finished reading that EW write-up - very good, how the heck can someone write all that in so little time, complete with summaries of some very difficult books. Anyway, I especially liked this part and was wondering some of the same things - how does FLocke know what Locke was thinking? Maybe when Smokey/FLocke scanned Locke, he saw all of Locke's past and future (clearly, it could see Eko's past, not sure about his future):

I was riveted by Fake Locke's assessment of the man whose visage he now wears. He shared Locke's final thought as Ben strangled the man to death: ''I don't understand.'' (How did the Monster know this thought? Has he always been tapped into John's head? Maybe after their first encounter in season 1?) FLocke deemed Locke's confusion ''the saddest thing you ever heard.'' Interesting. It's as if FLocke was heartbroken that Locke died without answers. Which I guess makes Smokey... the avenging angel of Lost fans everywhere? Seriously, I do wonder if Smokey is fundamentally anti-mystery, anti-gamesmanship. Remember last season, when he rallied the Others to march on Jacob's Four Toed beach house? His motivation for them? To get answers from Jacob. Reasons for his behavior. An end to puzzles and all those little slips of paper. FLocke had a secret agenda, of course, but I wonder if he was actually dead serious in his abhorrence for ambiguity. He embodies brutal honesty. In his psychological profile on Locke, FLocke noted that John ''was a victim who shouted at the world for being told what he couldn't do, even though they were right.'' Ouch! Flocke then spat venom at the thought of Locke as ''weak'' and ''pathetic'' and ''irreparably broken'' — then spoke admiringly of him for embracing his Island life and not wanting to return his frail, damaged old life. Throughout this entire speech, I was struck by how FLocke moved from shadow to light and back to shadow again. Not sure what it meant, but it was a great effect. And finally, the punchline — FLocke's stated ambition. ''I want the one thing John Locke didn't,'' he said. ''I want to go home.'' What did that mean? I think the question actually begins with who do you think FLocke really is (God? The Devil? Other?), and if you think that person or entity is good or evil. What's your vote? And what's your proof? Please post below!"

[thebridge15]

When Desmond "meets" Jack on the plane he says "Nice to meet you... or to see you again." But the way he says it is really fast, and with the accent it sounds like "Odyssey again."

Which is fitting because he's always been on a quest to get back to Penelope... :)...wow.

Desmond relives his life over and over again. He knows what's going to happen. So he's just fucking with Jack.

[monkeyman420]

When Desmond "meets" Jack on the plane he says "Nice to meet you... or to see you again." But the way he says it is really fast, and with the accent it sounds like "Odyssey again."

Which is fitting because he's always been on a quest to get back to Penelope... :)
He says that because Jack starts off by asking if they know each other. They introduce themselves and that's when Desmond says that line to Jack. And as far as Penny goes, we have no idea if Desmond is with Penny already let alone if he even knows who Penny is. The bomb going off changed everything, not just the stuff that we saw on the plane.

[Beebz]

Fuck, forgot jacob left the island.

[heywhynot]

I think maybe the smoke is magnetic, and the ash repels it with opposite polarity. Everything seems to deal with the islands electromagnetic qualities. Also, I'm curious about the stewardess. She only gave Jack one extra bottle for his drink this time. Perhaps she's subconsciously more frugal after living on the island? And also, it appears that Jacob may now be in possession of Sayid's body in the same way MiB is in Locke's. (Though Sayid seemed very surprised when he came to).
"Nice to see you without those chains," Flocke tells Richard. So Richard was a prisoner/slave on the ship? And his loyalty to Jacob and immortality stem from Jacob's perhaps rescuing him? He certainly knows about MiB; he is horrified to know it's him.

[Beebz]

I like the explanation for cindy only giving Jack one bottle. Don't know if I agree, but I really like the thought behind it.

[water_into_wine]

I think Locke and Eko's early encounters with the smoke monster will be very telling. Especially Eko. Why did it follow him? Why did it eventually kill him? Why did it take the shapes of people?

And also remember how Locke described "the eye of the island": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n09NIZCeYGA

[chirogirl]

Tonight's mission, to re-watch last night's episode and try and see everything that I missed the 1st time around :confused:haha

[water_into_wine]

Also something I just investigated and found was that on the plane Desmond was reading a book by Salmon Rushdie. I looked up all the covers of his books, but couldn't find a match though a lot of his books have themes that you could extrapolate to LOST. Anyone who may be familiar with his work may be able to narrow it down.

Possibilities:
-Grimus: Concerns immortality as well as an alternate reality where other immortals are on an island.
-Midnight's Children: Telepathy and special powers interconnecting people as well as a character having their memory re-endowed
-The Satanic Verses: Has two characters who are in a plane that explodes and they are somehow saved. One takes the personality of the archangel Gibreel and the other takes that of the Devil.

Just some stuff I found. Anyone who can pinpoint the cover would help.

[Dramageek]

From the EW recap, Desmond was reading Rushdie's Haroun And The Sea of Stories:

"The plot concerns a boy who all but curses his father in a moment of despair by saying, cynically, ''What's the use of stories that aren't even true?'' As a consequence, the father becomes heartbroken, and loses his storytelling mojo."

[41ravens]

i don't know if we should look into the eko stuff too much. wasn't he killed off because the actor got a dui? i think the writers had big plans for him, but then had to off him when he got in trouble. granted, they could've done it without smokey, but maybe they weren't thinking that far ahead at the time.

[hbktonyb]

Best write up on the episode...

Damn, that was a long hiatus. From now until May, we've got one last incredible ride to take... and then the roller coaster finally gets torn down for good.

Some of us will walk away, always remembering how great it was being a LOST fan during these last six years. Others will hang around to drink a few beers in the footprints of where the coaster once stood. We'll get nostalgic about these times, about the show, and about what it meant to every one of us - the diehard fans - the ones who not only loved watching LOST but also enjoyed the camaraderie of being a hardcore fan. There's not likely to be another show like this, not anytime soon at least, and in a way that's probably the hardest part.

Still, now's not the time to reflect. We've got the FINAL season of LOST ahead of us... the one we've all been waiting for. The show is going out at the top of its game, and the story's being wrapped up exactly the way it was always intended. As far as series finales go, LOST's will be legendary. We've waited half a decade for these answers, and the biggest ones are finally coming. So sit back, grab the lap bar, and really concentrate on remembering this one last ride. For now, our post-LOST lives can wait.

As for me, my hiatus was a busy one. I finally built a website, Things I Noticed, where I could centralize a lot of my thoughts, theories, and ideas on LOST. I'm doing some scene analysis over there, but some of it is also geared toward making you laugh your ass off, so be sure to check it out.

For those of you returning back here for the first time, I also wrote a book this summer: Things You Never Noticed About LOST. 100% new material, it grabs the past five seasons of LOST by the ankles, turns them upside down, and shakes out a whole ton of answers. If you've liked my recaps you're going to love the book, and you can check out the reviews posted on my website as well as on amazon.com. You can also read a 16-page sample chapter of the book right here.

Alright, let's get started on LA X. Things I Noticed:


The Captain Has Turned on the No Paradox Sign, and Please Return Your ALT-Universe Seat Backs To Their Upright Positions

Okay, so they did it. The bomb went off, fade to white, and suddenly we're sitting next to Jack Shephard on Oceanic Flight 815 again. Here comes Cindy the flight attendant, here comes the turbulence, here comes... Bernard back from the bathroom?

When we last left The Incident, many viewers believed that destiny could be changed. Nearly as many viewers also believed that predetermination wouldn't allow it. Leave it to LOST to split the difference straight down the middle, giving us an alternate universe in which the bomb did go off, but at the same time, a Flight 815 that now exists with an entirely different set of circumstances.

There was no hiding the changes. In fact, the writers went out of their way to wave them in our faces. Jack is still sporting his Enzo haircut instead of the high and tight buzz he had back in the Pilot episode. Cindy hands him one bottle of vodka instead of two. Maybe she knows Jack won't be needing the other one to disinfect his wound this time around, or maybe she knows nothing at all. Either way, we're shown many subtle differences throughout the second half of this plane ride, and we get lots of hints and allusions to past events that, at least in this universe, will no longer come to fruition.

So yes, something did change. Maybe it's not the 100% pure virgin reset Faraday sold everyone before eating a bullet last season, but it's a reset nonetheless. Jack, Sawyer, Kate, Hugo... even the Marshall this time - everyone gets to land at LA_X. The title of the episode pretty much tells the whole story, minus whatever contract dispute kept Shannon's legs from making my hi-definition LOST experience complete.

Let's do a character-by-character rundown of our new flight roster, and see what's different and what's still the same:

Jack - The scene starts with him, and right off the bat that's important. From the beginning, you can see that Jack remembers stuff. Although he may be back in seat 23, his mind obviously hasn't fully let go of the island. Jack's initial confusion and deja vu over the turbulence is similar to when Desmond woke up flat on his back during Flashes Before Your Eyes, with only vague recollections of where he'd just been. In time, Desmond's memories began coming back to him - jogged by the beeping of his microwave, meeting Charlie on the streets of London, and his impromptu meeting with Ms. Hawking in the ring shop. Perhaps this will be true of Jack also, as the alternate timeline plays itself out.

Rose & Bernard - Of everyone on this second iteration Flight 815, Rose's dialogue seemed the most important; her words were eerily relevant to our past storyline. This makes a lot of sense, especially when you consider all the inside information Rose and Bernard seemed to be holding back during The Incident. Telling Jack to 'let go' once again echoed his father's words to him, both on the island and off. And when Jack sheepishly tells her that it looks like they made it, Rose affirms "Yeah, we sure did" with a sly hint of knowing something Jack does not.

Also go back and watch Rose's reaction when Jack asks her about Desmond, too. Her "we were sleeping" line didn't convince me one bit. Immediately afterward, Rose makes a frowning sympathy face as Jack sits down... almost as if she feels bad for having to lie to him.

Desmond - Is he really here? Probably not. We learned a lot this episode about who can be seen and not seen, and Desmond's visit seemed very similar to Charlie's visit to Hurley during The Beginning of the End. His use of "brotha!" was meant to jog Jack's memory, and we can see that it did. Ghost 815 Desmond sat down to drop some hints, because at this point hints are the best he can do. Giving Jack too much info too soon would've blown his mind, and as we already know, our characters need to make their own choices anyway.

Kate & The Marshal - This arrangement looks pretty status quo, with Kate still in shackles and the Marshal still not trusting her with anything as dangerous as silverware. I thought it was funny how Cindy couldn't come up with anything sharp to help Charlie, but everyone's apparently eating with metal knives and forks. It's also important to note that the Marshal can't get through any season premiere without a knockout head wound.

Hugo Reyes - Lots of things have changed as far as Hurley is concerned. He now owns Mr. Cluck's chicken, and is suddenly famous for doing commercials - not really his style. Even more strange however, is Hugo's new attitude toward his fortune. Original Recipe Hurley thought himself to be cursed; he'd traveled to Australia seeking the origin of the numbers and was looking to change his bad luck. New Hurley is in a totally opposite place - he's convinced that nothing bad can happen to him because he's "the luckiest guy alive". How this plays out remains to be seen, but for now we're seeing a backward version of Hugo.

Jin & Sun - I have to say, I forgot how much of a dick Jin was back at the beginning of the show. If the characters in this alternate timeline somehow begin regaining memories of their on-island experiences, it's going to be interesting to see how Sun handles her husband. But hey, could there already be a little evidence that Sun remembers? The casual way in which she didn't try to hide her understanding of English jives with the fact that she hasn't had to pretend for a long time now. Original S1E1 Sun would've been a lot more careful to hide her secret around Jin.

Sawyer - Sawyer's the same super-observant opportunist he was back in season one, without so much as a single change so far. I could totally see him helping cover for Kate as she escaped: one con artist helping a fellow con artist out of a tight spot, like Kate did for Cassidy. The way he sized Hugo up after finding out about his lottery winnings, I wouldn't be surprised to see Sawyer setting him up for a mark. He seemed to take Hurley's "nothing bad ever happens to me" line almost as a challenge.

Locke & Boone - It was just plain awesome to see Boone again. Watching him talk to Locke brought back a ton of great season one nostalgia, and their conversation was filled with echoes of their on-island relationship. It's hard to believe it's been five whole years since he's been gone, and I really missed him.

So was John Locke telling the truth about finally getting to take his walkabout? Nah. Season one Locke lived in a fantasy world - he only dreamt of doing great things. Getting turned away in Australia was embarrassing for him, and rather than admit that failure he began making stuff up when he told Boone all about his trip. These were only the things he wished he'd done. It was safe for Locke to lie his ass off here, because he knew Boone would be long gone by the time his wheelchair was brought up to help him de-boarded the plane.

The coolest thing about the Locke/Boone reunion was their handshake at the end. Although neither of these characters might remember each other right now, Locke seemed to be making amends... and Boone seemed to be forgiving him. Awesome moment.

Sayid - Haven't seen much of Sayid just yet, but his ability to kick things seemed intact. Not sure whether we'll see a Nadia reunion, but after twice showing us her photo I guess that might be where we're heading.

Charlie - We have to remember that Charlie was a miserable wreck on Flight 815... he's hooked on drugs, and his brother Liam just refused to put the band back together. While he didn't intend to kill himself in that bathroom, Charlie's words to Jack were a little too close to home for him not to know something. Is he totally in on things? I don't think so. But for some reason, Charlie inherently knows his fate.


For Those Seated on the Left Side of The Aircraft, Please Enjoy a Spectacular View of the Shattered Remains of Seasons One Through Five...

Seeing the submerged wreckage of the island was dramatic and cool, and seemed geared toward showing us that - in the ALT timeline anyway - the bomb really did go off. Could a nuclear blast really cause a whole island to sink? Who the hell knows? I think maybe the CGI guys were just looking for an excuse to work that Dharma shark in there one more time.


Jack & Sayid... Kicking Down Doors and Saving Lives Since 2004

In another direct reflection of season one, Jack saves Charlie's life - again. This isn't the second, third, or even fourth time Charlie's life has been saved, and he seems more destined to die than ever before. This time around, Charlie even knows it. As he venomously drops the hint that he's "supposed to die", Charlie's words solidify yet another of Jack's ethereal ties to the island. When this happens enough times, I think Jack will start to remember.

This is also a good time to point out a strange line of dialogue from season one, during All The Best Cowboys Have Daddy Issues. After Ethan drags Charlie off and Jack is chasing after him, he tells Kate "I'm not letting him do this. Not again." Is Jack referring to Ethan taking Claire earlier in the season? Maybe. At the same time though, it also seems as if Jack knows what's happened before, and this time around he's looking to change the outcome. If you ask me, Charlie was supposed to die at that tree. Jack brought him back through sheer force of will... call it faith, belief, or whatever. From that moment on, death always surrounded Charlie. As Desmond proved over and over in season three, there was just no saving him. Even now, in this alternate timeline, Jack is still trying to prevent his friend from dying. It might not be long before destiny course corrects by killing Charlie in some other way.

Examine Charlie's many deaths a little more closely, and they all have one thing in common: not breathing. Desmond saw him drown (once in a dream, once in reality), Ethan hangs him to asphyxiation, and we see a vision in which he gets shot in the throat with an arrow. Now, in this episode, Charlie's choking on a big bag of heroin. Whatever happened to kill Charlie must apparently happen again and again, in the same basic way, no matter where, when or what universe he happens to be in.


Jack's New Hickey Doesn't Mean He Joined The 5-Mile High Club

Jammed up in that little bathroom, Jack doesn't remember how he got that mark any more than we do. Yet there's a pretty good reason we see a mirrored view of the wound on Jack's neck, and that's because it's exactly where that wound exists... in the mirror only.

Traditionally, mirrors have played a huge part all throughout LOST. In almost every case, they've reflected back the raw truth. Maybe they've even given us a glimpse into the elusive 'other side'. Whatever happened to cause the wound on Jack's neck, perhaps it only happened in the one "true" universe. It's possible the mirror is reflecting back something that happens to Jack later on, or maybe even at the end of the show. It's important to realize that we never see this wound directly, but only in the mirror.


One Big Round of Time-Travel Hangovers For Everyone

And so here we are again, this time in a universe in which Jughead apparently did not go off. Moving our heroes from 1977 to 2007 finally synchs up our two separate island timelines, paving the way for the long overdue Sun/Jin reunion. And an even more convenient event? The fact that their van came with them.

Kate waking up in that tree was a fairly big clue - another prime example of a character suddenly appearing at a specific 'respawn' point. We've seen it with Jack when he returned via Ajira 316, and we've seen it when both Ben and Locke ended up in the same little corner of the Tunisian desert. So if Kate's tree seems familiar, maybe it reminds you of the tree the smoke monster dropped 815's pilot, Seth Norris into. Or perhaps you remember Bernard's first appearance on the island, strapped into his seat and stuck high up in a very similar position. This isn't simple coincidence... Kate wasn't stuck up in that tree just so we could check out her ass (although I'd accept that line of thinking). There's a definite reason our characters seem to wake up or enter certain scenes in a strangely limited number of places, just as they seem destined to repeat the same events and experiences over and over again.


Think Sawyer Was Angry When He Choked Out His Dad? That Was Nothing.

I have to admit, the Sawyer scenes were hard to watch. After what just happened, he had every right to be brutally enraged. We tend to forget that Sawyer and Juliet had three whole years to form their bond, but from the moment Jack & company showed back up on the island, it only took a few days for them to crash the whole Dharma party. The broken wreckage of the Swan hatch - and not the construction site - directly reflected the failure of Jack's reset plan, and Sawyer wholly blames him for Juliet's death.

To be a little more fair to Jack, the reset plan was Faraday's to begin with. Jack did all of the convincing however, and for that he's got even more blood on his hands. The leadership role is always a tough one, and Jack has seized the reins more than anyone else on LOST. He's also failed more times than he's succeeded, and admittedly doesn't know where they are, or what to do next. Unless he can somehow bring Juliet back, Jack's relationship with Sawyer is irrevocably broken. But then again, "nothing is irreversible".


You're Going To Want To Be Asleep For The Trip Dr. Burke. It's a Hell of a Ride...

Like most big LOST deaths, Juliet's final scene was touching and awesome. Her character had come a long way, and her story was made more complete by getting to die in Sawyer's arms. For all the answers she held back from us in seasons three and four, Juliet's parting gift to us on her deathbed (and just beyond) was extremely significant: we now know that she 'went' somewhere when she died. An hour later, John Locke would talk about this very thing in his placid conversation with Jack.

"We should get coffee sometime. We could go dutch." As she gets closer to death, Juliet's consciousness begins flashing backward through her past life, much the way Charlotte's did during Dead is Dead. When she comes back to Sawyer for her final moments, she needs to tell him something important. Like many people, I thought she'd reveal to him that she was pregnant. But then I thought more about that, and it just seemed a shitty thing to do. Juliet already knows Sawyer's going to have a hard enough time letting go of her when she dies - there's little need to add more of a burden to his already heavy shoulders.

After passing over to the other side - probably quite literally at this point - Miles is forced to commune with Juliet. You can tell from the look in his eyes that he won't be able to do it. "It doesn't work that way", he tells Sawyer. Aside from not wanting to talk to his recently-dead friend, it also appeared Miles genuinely knew he wouldn't be able to make a connection. When Sawyer pushed him down on her grave, Miles made up his mind to play along. As he'd done before for some of his other clients, Miles intended to tell Sawyer whatever would've made him feel better or ease his grief.

But then suddenly, Juliet did speak to him. You can tell how completely surprised Miles was that the connection was made. Juliet's message to Sawyer wasn't a simple "It worked", either... it was an exuberant, animated "It WORKED!" in exactly the way Miles delivered it to him. This wasn't just Miles being shocked, it was a direct and excited message from Juliet to Sawyer. In his grief, Sawyer missed the point of her words, but to us? Wherever Juliet now "is", she's totally aware of the reset. And not only is she aware of it, but she seems extremely psyched that it happened. As far as I'm concerned, this helps lend some level of importance to the alternate timeline. It also makes us question whether dead really is dead, or if everyone who's passed on from LOST is enjoying a great big party on the other side, waiting for everyone else to show up.


If You Strike Me Down, I Will Become More Powerful...

Jacob looks good for someone who just died an hour ago. In his second meeting with Hurley there are no riddles... no hidden messages or untold secrets. Jacob tells Hugo his name, where he needs to go in order to save Sayid, and what he needs to bring with him. When Hurley mentions that Jin will be back, Jacob nonchalantly lets him know that his friend won't be able see him. Hell, Jacob even flat out tells him why. It's season six, and it looks like answers will be a lot easier to come by.

We've seen many instances throughout LOST where characters have seen ghosts, visions, and people who may or may not be there. It started with Jack's father Christian, and from there it snowballed in every direction. Ben seeing his mother... Hugo seeing Charlie at Santa Rosa... even minor characters like Goodwin's wife Harper have miraculously shown up, handed out important advice, and then seemingly disappeared into thin air. This is the first time however, that an apparition makes reference to knowingly being unseen. Wherever Jacob now "is", he's somehow still able to reveal himself to Hugo in a very Ben Kenobi-like way.

As far as Hugo goes, most of you already know how I feel about him. Hurley is blessed by the ability to see things exactly as they are, and this includes seeing things that other people don't. He's been visited by more dead characters than anyone in the show; he's seen both Charlie and Ana Lucia after they died, and even played chess with the ghost of Mr. Eko. Hugo was also somehow able to see Jacob's cabin, despite how hard it was to find that thing.

Hurley's guitar case seems to be Jacob's plan B. Maybe it was his plan A, for that matter. Either way, Jacob had scouted out a contingency for Sayid's death and made Hurley carry it all the way to the island. His nemesis may think he's won the game, but Jacob is still playing.


C'mon Bram... You Gotta Do Better Than That

You know, I really thought Bram had his $#!% together. After Miles' quick abduction and that little conversation in the van, it seemed like Bram and Illana were part of a pretty tight operation. Yet here he comes with nothing more than a gun, an attitude, and a little bag of ash. If this is a reflection of the rest of Bram's team, the shadow statue people should be about as effective as The Others.

In this scene we finally learn what many of us had already suspected: this new version of Locke actually is the smoke monster. Since Dead is Dead his mannerisms, echo-like voice changes, and the way he passed judgment on Ben pretty much gave that away. We even get one last vocal clue in the deep, reverberating way Locke asks Ben "Where's Richard?" As Ben enters the chamber, it's as if we catch the entity switching back to use Locke's own voice.

It was extremely significant that Locke gave Bram's team a choice before killing them. He explained that Jacob was dead, and presented their situation in a straightforward, logical way. They were basically free to go, at least up until Bram fired his gun. Once that happened, judgment could be passed. This is also why Richard is so adamant that no one on the beach shoot Locke, screaming for them to hold their fire when he finally emerges from the statue.

Going a bit further, this also explains why the smoke monster doesn't just kill anyone and everyone it comes across. We already know that the dark man disapproves of Jacob bringing people to the island. In keeping with the rules however, he seems unable to touch anyone unless he's judged them first, or unless they've wronged him in some way. Not sure how or why it killed Seth Norris or Nadine... but both of those characters had just arrived on the island so maybe there was a exception clause. Or maybe the smoke monster hadn't eaten in a while, and he was just plain hungry.

Bram's circle of ash is something the monster apparently can't cross. Perhaps this solves the mystery of Jacob's cabin: it wasn't Jacob's at all. If the cabin served as a type of prison, then the circle of ash there was used to keep the entity or monster in and not out. This may by why Illana's team burned the cabin to the ground upon reaching the island - possibly on Jacob's orders. In any case, Bram's plan A sucked, and his plan B was non-existant.


The Barefoot, Rocket-Shooting, Gun-Happy, Temple-Dwelling Other Others

As we finally get to see inside the temple, more huge answers are finally revealed. One of the bigger long-standing mysteries? Just what happened to Cindy, Zach, and Emma.

The people living inside these temple walls are a more serious, hardcore version of Ben's barracks-dwelling Others. Like Oldham, they've decried modern invention and everyday convenience. They've even kicked off their shoes, allowing their bare feet to constantly touch the earth. This puts them more in tuned with the island than anyone sipping tea at Juliet's air-conditioned book club, because these Others are taking things back to the oldskool.

This is the way Widmore led his people, before Ben moved everyone into the barracks. As a result, these Others seem a lot more educated as to what's going on. They know of Jacob, and of the dangers of his enemy. They also know how to keep the dark man from crashing their party: with a giant circle of ash. They don't seem worried about this however, until Hurley reveals that Jacob is dead. Once that slips out, everyone becomes very, very on edge. Break out the fireworks and karate.

It's also kinda cool to think this isn't the first time we saw these Others. As Jin and Mr. Eko lay crouched in those bushes back in season two, they watched the dirty bare feet of these others, as well as the children, drag themselves through the jungle. Later on, we'd assume this was part of Mr. Friendly's posse - especially after the fake beard. But in reality, what we probably saw here was this group of more radical island dwellers, lead by this trigger-happy Japanese dude who hates English.

Ah... but what's the deal with Cindy? Here she is, dressed as if she just raided Yoko Ono's closet. In Stranger in a Strange Land however, we saw a very different Cindy, Zach, and Emma. That time around, when Jack saw them for the first time, they wore completely normal clothes. They looked washed up and ready for church. So which is it? Where does Cindy fit in, and how did she get there? Were the kids (and other members of the tail section) originally taken by the temple-dwellers, and if so, how did they end up in Ben's group of Others? Many pieces of this puzzle just don't fit, and at this point I'm not sure there's even a right way to put them together. Hopefully someone will shake Cindy down for some hard answers, because it's LONG past that time.


The Egyptian Homegoods Store Called... They Want Their Tacky 2-Foot Wooden Ankh Back

God I was happy when the temple leader smashed that thing over his knee. It looked absolutely ridiculous, and if it was going to take some reverent place in LOST lore I was fully prepared to go berserk. "Behold!!! The sacred wooden ankh of Jacob!!!" Please.

Leave it to Jacob to slide his note into something he knew Hurley wouldn't mess with. It was funny how he knew Hugo would open and look inside the case, too. If he'd seen a piece of paper, Jacob knew Hugo would've certainly read it. This is why Hurley couldn't carry that note in his wallet, and instead had to drag Charlie's guitar case on board Ajira 316. The case probably served double-duty as a proxy, too.


Excuse Me... I Carried That Case Across The Ocean, and Like, Though Time? I Wanna Know What That Paper Says

There were many great lines this episode, and this was one of the best. Seems like the only thing that saved everyone from getting ventilated was another one of Jacob's "lists". This one contained the names of everyone present, and apparently, every single one of them is highly important to the overall master plan.

Jacob's lists have always been critical to LOST's story. He's not very big on communication, so these lists are all his followers really have to go on. I've long theorized that the people listed by Jacob are the ones integral to the end game - without every single one of them, Jacob's final ending cannot be realized. This could be why the hippy with the wire-rimmed glasses tells us that Sayid had better pull through, or there's going to be BIG trouble. As they called out their names, I also realized that we were cycling through every single one of the characters that Jacob had already touched during The Incident. Sawyer shows up later on, and he's been touched too. But Miles? Uh oh.


Where Did They Get That Brown Water... From the Old MXC Set?

In the inner sanctum, we finally get a glimpse of what might have happened to Ben on the day Richard brought him to the temple. Hopefully the water was a lot clearer that day, and the results were a little better. I also have to admit, when the Japanese dude flipped that giant sand-timer over I had to chuckle. They held Sayid underwater like they were trying to boil up the perfect egg, and then walked away defeated when they overcooked him.

The water was probably brown due to Jacob's death. This may be why the leader believed Hurley without further question. It's probably also why his hand wasn't healed... I guess cutting your hand and dipping it into the water was a ritual meant to demonstrate the water's healing properties. When the leader's cut remained the same, we kinda already knew Sayid was screwed.

If the water is tied to Jacob, then maybe Jacob himself has been responsible for the island's mythical healing properties. Now that he's gone, maybe things will be different. They mentioned it was a spring, which means it probably runs beneath the entire island. Personally, I didn't need a physical reference point for why or how the island can heal - at first glance, I was afraid the resurrection pool was going to be a bit much. In the end it wasn't too bad, but I definitely could've done without the giant egg timer.

As Sayid is pronounced dead, Jack once again refuses to believe it. His futile attempts at reviving him exactly mirror the already-mentioned S1 scene in which Charlie dies after being hanged by Ethan. Kate was in that scene too, trying to call Jack off and tell him it's over. The only difference here was that Jack didn't make a second effort - he didn't beat Sayid on the chest until he gasped for breath. Even so, Sayid miraculously does come back from the land of the dead - just like Charlie - fulfilling the end of the scene anyway. Another loop closed.

So what happens now? Is Sayid still Sayid, or is he now a 'candidate' for Jacob? As much as I hate to say it, we've probably seen the end of the asskicking Iraqi we all know and love. Hopefully I'm wrong, but it would make more sense for Jacob to somehow inhabit Sayid's body here, especially since he was the one who sent that body to the temple. Go back and look at Jacob's face while he's talking to Hurley and examining Sayid's wounds. Even he knows the guy is too far gone. It's unfortunate, and he looks a little sorry to even do it, but I'm pretty sure Jacob's going to somehow live through this new version of Sayid. I'm still holding out hope for continued asskickings, however.


Was It Possible To Out-Creep The Season Two Face Ben Made Back In The Hatch? YUP.

In my favorite scene of this episode, we finally learn something about the dark-shirted man's true motivations. We also get an intimate glimpse of someone we thought we might never see again: the real John Locke. As Ben stands broken and unable to grasp what just happened, the smoke monster all but tells him to man up. Ben's complaint of being 'used' falls on deaf ears, and in many ways it's pretty comical when you consider just how many people Ben himself has used over the course of the show.

"Want to know what we going through his mind as you killed him? I don't understand...." This was awesome, incredible acting by Terry O' Quinn. He jumps seamlessly from the monster's persona right back into our old confused and beloved John Locke. The fact that he was inhabiting John's body made it all the more accurate, and it brought back overwhelming feelings of sympathy for the man John Locke was. He was a guy who wanted nothing more than to be loved and accepted, yet just about everyone he trusted ended up taking advantage of him. I thought it was cool how the dark man admired him for his purity, and for John's one redeeming quality: realizing how much better life on the island could be rather than worrying about how to get back to his shattered life... like everyone else.

Then Ben asks the question we've all been dying to know: "What do you want?" And as Jacob's long-time enemy explains in the simplest of terms, he just wants OUT. He's been playing the game for way too long, and he finally wants to pack it in. More importantly, he's not just looking to get off the island, he's looking to go home.

Dogma springs instantly to mind here. Although the movie itself was fairly cheesy, the premise of Loki and Bartleby, two angels cast out of heaven, totally fits. They're even looking for a loophole, too. While I'm not sure Jacob and his nemesis are a pair of fallen angels, there's certainly a higher power above them. Maybe they've been placed on the island for a specific purpose: to serve a penance all their own. Perhaps their game isn't a game at all, but a lesson that needs to be learned before they can move on. If this is the case, the island becomes their own personal Purgatory.... and yes, I said Purgatory.

The face Terry O'Quinn makes at the end of this scene absolutely scared the balls off me. It was totally unexpected and radically different than anything he's done before. We've seen Locke angry, hurt, mad, happy, and smiling with an orange peel in his mouth. But we've never, ever, EVER seen a face like the one made here. It slammed home the point that we're looking at someone who's NOT John Locke, and it was chilling to watch. I totally loved it.


Oceanic Luggage Gets Really, Really LOST

In the alternate timeline, Jack's father's coffin somehow doesn't make the plane. Ditto for Locke's case of razor-sharp knives. What does this mean to the storyline? I'm not sure just yet. But let's imagine for a moment that neither of those things were on the original Oceanic Flight 815. Let's go off on a real quick theory...

After the crash, Jack has no way of knowing that his dad's coffin wasn't on the plane. As far as he's concerned, it was. So when he starts chasing ghost-Christian through the jungle and "finds" the coffin, is Jack only seeing what he expects to see? Did he bring his father's coffin - and even his Christian himself - to the island via the magic box, much like Sawyer unknowingly brought The Man From Tallahassee? Kooky idea, but we're in season six. Ghosts, time travel, alternate timelines... the whole magic box thing goes down a lot easier these days.

Similarly, Locke's case of knives was found amongst the beach wreckage early in season one. I've long speculated that those knives were there simply because Locke wanted them to be there, but now we find out that he really did pack them. Yet if they never made the plane and they somehow still showed up on the beach... magic box? Could be. Early on we saw a lot of things brought into being by requirement, usually whenever a character needed them most.

Admittedly, Locke losing his knives could've been nothing more than a vehicle to put Jack and Locke together in their last LAX scene. But his father's coffin now missing... that certainly means something.


Science, I'd Like You To Meet Faith. Faith? Science.

As Jack and Locke meet up again at Oceanic's lost luggage counter, we get to see what could've been. These are two of LOST's biggest, most powerful characters - all throughout the show, we've seen them pitted against each other. Their opposing views and general disdain for each other has been evident since season one... even through wide-swinging role reversals, Jack Shephard and John Locke have faced off over just about everything. To see them not only getting along here but actually trying to help each other out? It was pretty damned wild.

Locke's words about Jack's missing father were meant to comfort a guy who had just lost his dad. At the same time, they're also the third direct reference this episode as to where people go when they die. Sayid asked Hurley where he thought he'd end up, and Juliet passes over to some other realm where she can consciously communicate through Miles. The well-mentioned "other side" is getting closer and closer, and I've got a feeling that pretty soon we're going to be able to see through to it.

John Locke is still a man of faith here, and Jack is still a man of science. But something is changed up a bit, as Jack begins asking Locke about how he got into that wheelchair. "Nothing's irreversible" just isn't Jack's mantra, and it stood out like a sore thumb. Giving Locke his business card means we'll probably see a Jack/Locke story later on, just as Kate getting into Claire's cab will tie those two characters together. Sawyer & Hurley? Maybe. We'll see what happens. In any event, with Jack's never-ending need to fix people, it will be interesting to see whether or not he can help John Locke walk out of the alternate universe on his own two feet.


Frank's Shirt... Still Unbuttoned All The Way Down To The Naval? Ah, Continuity!

As two full hours of LOST drew to a close, one thing became quickly obvious: John Locke is going to rock this season whether he be real, fake, or otherwise. We haven't seen this level of badassedness since Keamy went down, and the way he handled Richard was nothing but pure awesome. You? Me. Two words was all it took (plus maybe a throat-strike), and suddenly we knew a lot about the long history these characters had together.

Richard being in chains was an obvious reference to the Black Rock. This is exciting, because the slave ship and Richard's backstory are two big mysteries that absolutely need to be solved. Tying them together means we could get them both in the same episode, and hopefully soon. With a little luck, it also means we'll be seeing the dark-shirted man in his original form again. As much as I love Terry O'Quinn's version, it should be equally awesome to get a more personal glimpse of the man who finally killed Jacob.

After beating Richard like a prison inmate trying to make a statement, the monster stands up to address everyone surrounding him. "I'm very disappointed in all of you!", he shouts. Not sure what he means by this, but it struck me that maybe he's going to pretend to be Jacob. It was probably that half-smirk he made at the end. The only conscious person who'd know that he's lying would be Ben... and the last time we saw Ben he was looking for a second pair of shorts. Whatever the dark man's next move is, you can be sure it involves an asskicking.


Thoughts On The Premiere, and Season Six

Dunno about you guys, but this premiere blew me away. I expected it to, and it lived up to my expectations. Answers are coming quickly, and craziness is the norm. We're long past the point of subtle hints and slow-rolling mysteries now. As we accelerate toward the finish, the drawstrings of LOST's story are steadily and deliberately being pulled closed.

I'm looking forward to this season, to this story, and to a great series finale. We're in the home stretch, and one step closer to the zombie-season!

[keithcoldroses]

^ Where's that from?

[hbktonyb]

Vozz always posts his weekly thoughts on http://darkufo.blogspot.com/

He also has an official website: www.thingsinoticed.com

[junior94]

I seriously can't even begin to quantify how depressing I find it that American Idol still got almost twice of the audience that the Lost season premiere did. :(:rolleyes

[antsman41]

I seriously can't even begin to quantify how depressing I find it that American Idol still got almost twice of the audience that the Lost season premiere did. :(:rolleyes

yeah, who really is dumb enough to watch idol. that shit sucks, basically grooms shitty people into grammy winners. worst thing on television, seacrest is teh gay.

[joepsu0985]

I seriously can't even begin to quantify how depressing I find it that American Idol still got almost twice of the audience that the Lost season premiere did. :(:rolleyes

Put a group of idiots on TV and this country will tune in. I mean look at what Jersey Shore did. I'm pretty sure those people don't have a brain, but it got ratings.

[antsman41]

holy shit, some of what eko talks about in "what kate did" episode 9 of season 2 is a precursor to jacob/mib, the others, etc... of what has been seen for now this season.

[water_into_wine]

I saw that clip today actually. I assume you mean the telling of the Josiah story.

[antsman41]

I saw that clip today actually. I assume you mean the telling of the Josiah story.

yesseroo...

[jkrue22]

I saw that clip today actually. I assume you mean the telling of the Josiah story.

As in Josiah from the Bible, the young king who tore down all the idols and sought to rebuild the Lord's temple? I forget this scene...

[hbktonyb]

Have a link to the scene? That would be exciting b/c it would mean the writers knew where the story was going...will make the rewatch a lot more fun.

[JMcCartyFBI]

holy shit, some of what eko talks about in "what kate did" episode 9 of season 2 is a precursor to jacob/mib, the others, etc... of what has been seen for now this season.

I love how they were leaving little breadcrumbs about it the entire time. Even all the way back in season 1.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tg2tB_xTt9I

[joepsu0985]

holy shit, some of what eko talks about in "what kate did" episode 9 of season 2 is a precursor to jacob/mib, the others, etc... of what has been seen for now this season.

memory refresh?

[mja271]

I seriously can't even begin to quantify how depressing I find it that American Idol still got almost twice of the audience that the Lost season premiere did. :(:rolleyes

Lost not getting huge rating doesn't shock me though. Its a confusing show that requires alot of attention to be paid. Typical viewers don't want to put effort into their tv watching, or would rather watch a series like Lost on DVD. If you haven't been watching recent seasons, you wouldn't have a clue wtf was going on now.

[antsman41]

so when do you think claire is back on the island. and will charlie/boone/eko ever merge from alt. 2004 to 2007?

[CaffeineQueen]

Lost not getting huge rating doesn't shock me though. Its a confusing show that requires alot of attention to be paid. Typical viewers don't want to put effort into their tv watching, or would rather watch a series like Lost on DVD. If you haven't been watching recent seasons, you wouldn't have a clue wtf was going on now.

yeah, I've noticed a lot of not so smart people aren't the hugest fans.

[41ravens]

so when do you think claire is back on the island. and will charlie/boone/eko ever merge from alt. 2004 to 2007?

i think if we learned anything from the first episode, is that everything happening in the alt. timeline is kind of playing out how it did on the island. it's along the lines of the whole "course correction" thing. i think that we will eventually see charlie/boone/eko/all others that died on the island eventually die in the alt. timeline. i think we'll also see kate deliver claire's baby. so if you're asking if we'll ever see people that died sort of comeback to life in the 2007 timeline, i think the answer is no. those people are dead and fate will correct itself throughout the course of the alternate timeline.

[il bacio dolce]

I'm trying to figure it out but its just making my head hurt.

So many things had to happen differently in order for that plane not to crash... and so many details and sequences of events are the same while others have changed. I was under the belief everything that happened in their lives led them to being on that flight because they were supposed to go to the island....
They still ended up being on that same flight for the same reasons, Kate's getting arrested in Australia, Jack's father dying, Locke trying to go on that walkabout..... Everything is the same but everything is different.
There is no hatch, no button, probably the island isn't even in the right place and time to coincide with flight 815...
Those things had to change... So why change other details, like Shannon not being on the plane, what did that have to do with anything? If they were trying to show that everyones story still led them there, why certain exceptions?
Now Desmond is on the flight, he never met Penny or Widmore.. I think maybe Widmore doesn't exist in this reality. No race around the world leading Desmond to end up on the island which is also why Jack and Desmond now have never met, they'd met while Desmond was training for that race. Putting Desmond on the flight I think is just meant to show that a lot of events had to never happen for the crash not to happen.

[junior94]

Was anyone else expecting something much more from the whole build up of Bram at the end of last season other than for him to wind up relatively easily killed in merely the 2nd hour of THIS season? And I'm guessing there has to be some kind of significance as to why Ilana didn't go in there as well, certainly not for a lack of bearing arms, since she was also packing.

And this may be a small point, but I'm also wondering why it was advantageous for Ben to lie about what just happened under the statue when he came out of it. Now I realize, when it comes to him there's the old joke, "how do you when Ben Linus is lying? - His mouth is moving" but I can't figure out why he told Richard that everything was fine, that the real Locke was inside talking to Jacob at that very moment and all was well. What he gained from hiding the fact that Jacob was just killed. I mean surely that was going to be made aware within just a few minutes from then anyway.

[il bacio dolce]

Oh I was wrong about the island not being in the same place. I need to rewatch because I can't remember some stuff.

[dmbman32]

All I know is what my avatar tells me

[pathetic]

I think maybe the smoke is magnetic, and the ash repels it with opposite polarity. Everything seems to deal with the islands electromagnetic qualities. Also, I'm curious about the stewardess. She only gave Jack one extra bottle for his drink this time. Perhaps she's subconsciously more frugal after living on the island? And also, it appears that Jacob may now be in possession of Sayid's body in the same way MiB is in Locke's. (Though Sayid seemed very surprised when he came to).
"Nice to see you without those chains," Flocke tells Richard. So Richard was a prisoner/slave on the ship? And his loyalty to Jacob and immortality stem from Jacob's perhaps rescuing him? He certainly knows about MiB; he is horrified to know it's him.

i would be too. you see that throat punch?

[javierm27]

Was anyone else expecting something much more from the whole build up of Bram at the end of last season other than for him to wind up relatively easily killed in merely the 2nd hour of THIS season? And I'm guessing there has to be some kind of significance as to why Ilana didn't go in there as well, certainly not for a lack of bearing arms, since she was also packing.

And this may be a small point, but I'm also wondering why it was advantageous for Ben to lie about what just happened under the statue when he came out of it. Now I realize, when it comes to him there's the old joke, "how do you when Ben Linus is lying? - His mouth is moving" but I can't figure out why he told Richard that everything was fine, that the real Locke was inside talking to Jacob at that very moment and all was well. What he gained from hiding the fact that Jacob was just killed. I mean surely that was going to be made aware within just a few minutes from then anyway.

I think he may have been a little dazed at what happened. After Richard showed him Locke he looked a little shocked by what he just did. But in all honesty I can't really figure out why other than maybe he knew those people were all looking for Jacob, and he may have feared any repercussions that would have occurred if he would have said he just killed Jacob. Instead he may have wanted to see what Smokey would do to others that went in.

[CaffeineQueen]

I'm trying to figure it out but its just making my head hurt.

So many things had to happen differently in order for that plane not to crash... and so many details and sequences of events are the same while others have changed. I was under the belief everything that happened in their lives led them to being on that flight because they were supposed to go to the island....
They still ended up being on that same flight for the same reasons, Kate's getting arrested in Australia, Jack's father dying, Locke trying to go on that walkabout..... Everything is the same but everything is different.
There is no hatch, no button, probably the island isn't even in the right place and time to coincide with flight 815...
Those things had to change... So why change other details, like Shannon not being on the plane, what did that have to do with anything? If they were trying to show that everyones story still led them there, why certain exceptions?
Now Desmond is on the flight, he never met Penny or Widmore.. I think maybe Widmore doesn't exist in this reality. No race around the world leading Desmond to end up on the island which is also why Jack and Desmond now have never met, they'd met while Desmond was training for that race. Putting Desmond on the flight I think is just meant to show that a lot of events had to never happen for the crash not to happen.

Interesting. Maybe he does exist, but he didn't leave the island, he stayed?

But then again, the island was under water, so maybe he just died.

[breckbrew]

I'm trying to figure it out but its just making my head hurt.

So many things had to happen differently in order for that plane not to crash... and so many details and sequences of events are the same while others have changed. I was under the belief everything that happened in their lives led them to being on that flight because they were supposed to go to the island....
They still ended up being on that same flight for the same reasons, Kate's getting arrested in Australia, Jack's father dying, Locke trying to go on that walkabout..... Everything is the same but everything is different.
There is no hatch, no button, probably the island isn't even in the right place and time to coincide with flight 815...
Those things had to change... So why change other details, like Shannon not being on the plane, what did that have to do with anything? If they were trying to show that everyones story still led them there, why certain exceptions?
Now Desmond is on the flight, he never met Penny or Widmore.. I think maybe Widmore doesn't exist in this reality. No race around the world leading Desmond to end up on the island which is also why Jack and Desmond now have never met, they'd met while Desmond was training for that race. Putting Desmond on the flight I think is just meant to show that a lot of events had to never happen for the crash not to happen.

I think the producers said "While Jack and the group thought if they detonate the bomb, the only thing that would have changed was the plane didn't crash. But they didn't think about all of the things that will change prior to the plane ride." Maybe by detonating the bomb, they have changed their destiny, so the island no longer needs them, and if now its no longer their destiny to be on the plane at the same time, maybe the events causing them all to be on the plane don't need to happen either.

Was anyone else expecting something much more from the whole build up of Bram at the end of last season other than for him to wind up relatively easily killed in merely the 2nd hour of THIS season? And I'm guessing there has to be some kind of significance as to why Ilana didn't go in there as well, certainly not for a lack of bearing arms, since she was also packing.

And this may be a small point, but I'm also wondering why it was advantageous for Ben to lie about what just happened under the statue when he came out of it. Now I realize, when it comes to him there's the old joke, "how do you when Ben Linus is lying? - His mouth is moving" but I can't figure out why he told Richard that everything was fine, that the real Locke was inside talking to Jacob at that very moment and all was well. What he gained from hiding the fact that Jacob was just killed. I mean surely that was going to be made aware within just a few minutes from then anyway.

It was Ben who killed Jacob right, so that would be a little hard to explain to Jacob's armed "bodyguards." I think Ben was just trying to buy some time - he needed to consider what he was going to do now, maybe try to escape since Smokey was going to be occupied with Richard and Richard would soon learn Ben had a hand in killing Jacob.

[JaJunk]

I never thought I would say this, but I think the plot is officially too complicated for me with this alternate reality addition.

[javierm27]

I never thought I would say this, but I think the plot is officially too complicated for me with this alternate reality addition.

They have done the same thing for the past 5 seasons with the flashbacks and flashforwards. Now instead of doing that it seems like each episode will be centered on a character and their alternate reality. Its one more season, plus you have Ants to come into and read ideas/thoughts on. :lol

[41ravens]

i think the alternate timeline story is great. i know a lot of people don't like that they did it, but i think it was true LOST style to answer the question of "reset or no reset?" by doing both. and i'm really interested to see how the writers tie these two timelines together in the end.

[thebridge15]

With both Miles and Hurley to talk to dead people, I feel like they should be able to figure things out pretty effectively.

[RJP2741]

It was Ben who killed Jacob right, so that would be a little hard to explain to Jacob's armed "bodyguards." I think Ben was just trying to buy some time - he needed to consider what he was going to do now, maybe try to escape since Smokey was going to be occupied with Richard and Richard would soon learn Ben had a hand in killing Jacob.

This. Plus, I don't think he wanted to do anything to upset Flocke. At this point Ben is all about surviving and I think he realized that upsetting Flocke probably wouldn't be in his best interests.

[william.hosking]

Flocke of Seagulls

[Beebz]

Flocke of Seagulls

And there it is.

[41ravens]

i'm gonna try and watch the premiere again tonight. maybe try and catch some stuff i didn't the first time around.

[41ravens]

pretty cool...

http://popwatch.ew.com/2010/02/04/lost-a-side-by-side-comparison/

[cwsrule88]

its interesting to go back to when the show first premiered and see what people thought about it in this thread

[water_into_wine]

Was anyone else expecting something much more from the whole build up of Bram at the end of last season other than for him to wind up relatively easily killed in merely the 2nd hour of THIS season? And I'm guessing there has to be some kind of significance as to why Ilana didn't go in there as well, certainly not for a lack of bearing arms, since she was also packing.

And this may be a small point, but I'm also wondering why it was advantageous for Ben to lie about what just happened under the statue when he came out of it. Now I realize, when it comes to him there's the old joke, "how do you when Ben Linus is lying? - His mouth is moving" but I can't figure out why he told Richard that everything was fine, that the real Locke was inside talking to Jacob at that very moment and all was well. What he gained from hiding the fact that Jacob was just killed. I mean surely that was going to be made aware within just a few minutes from then anyway.

Bram wasn't built up at all in my mind. Guy seemed like excellent killing fodder. It's Illana who is the main character really.

Ben was scared shitless. He knows what Smokey can do so he wants to try to follow his orders so he isn't killed, and he lied to complete those orders.

[dh4645]

its interesting to go back to when the show first premiered and see what people thought about it in this thread

i know right.

crazy thoughts back then

[dh4645]

some good ones from the first few pages:

I was saying that they crashed in Jurassic Park and were being chased by a T-Rex the whole time, and my girlfriend kept getting pissed at me saying I was ruining the show. I can't wait til a T-Rex fuckin walks out of those woods, I am gonna laugh my ass off. At that very moment, the show will become a comedy.

yea, I am officially hooked. Trying to figure out if it is a "time" thing, and the guy playing backgammon is a little off. I dont see how it can be an actual series. Maybee for one year, and then a new lost.....like I am right now.

:thumbsup And at least once every episode someone should start to drown. Then they should show her in super slo mo running down the beach in her underwear to save them.

PS- The pregnant chick is carrying an alien baby.

The fat guy eats the rest of the survivors....it was the series finale, sorry.

What about the pregnant chick? She was finally back after a two week hiatus. Also, I can't wait to see the backstory of the "monster". That should be a good episode.

:lol

Seriously do they all have to have messed up pasts?

They all died and they are all in Purgatory.


that was some first aid, the smash him till he wakes approach. wasn't taught in the courses i've taken. but then, they never really went over what to do on a mysterious tropical island inhabited by baby snatchers that hang drug addicted bass players from vines.

about the only show on tv i actually make a point to watch.

Ok, I love the show and I enjoy watching it. However, there is one thing that REALLY bothers me. Everytime Locke or Jack head into the woods to find food or to find someone, there is always that person who wants to go with. Then they get into arguement about if that other person should come. This lasts for 10 minutes, until the person says to Locke or Jack, "Too bad, I'm still coming." Why does this happen every fucking episode?

I wonder what they found, and I want a "women of Lost " Playboy spread.

[junior94]

I still better be seeing Claire and Aaron on a helicopter leaving the island at some point, dammit. They spent like 6 friggin episodes setting up the rationale why Charlie would sacrifice himself at the end of season 3, and we've yet to see the fruition of that particular Desmond vision. If this is a story thread that's just plain forgotten about, I'll be less than pleased.

[junior94]

And I forget if it's here that I brought this up already, but the ash whose purpose has been made much more clear now, would seem to most likely belong to the still as yet unseen volcano on the island. The one that's talked about in young Ben's Dharma science class, and that Damon & Carlton promise on that episode's commentary track will play heavily in the show before series end.

[water_into_wine]

I still better be seeing Claire and Aaron on a helicopter leaving the island at some point, dammit. They spent like 6 friggin episodes setting up the rationale why Charlie would sacrifice himself at the end of season 3, and we've yet to see the fruition of that particular Desmond vision. If this is a story thread that's just plain forgotten about, I'll be less than pleased.

I feel like you will be disappointed seeing as Aaron isn't even on the island.

[junior94]

I feel like you will be disappointed seeing as Aaron isn't even on the island.

Well yea obviously, but I mean c'mon man, I can't be the only one who would be pissed about that. I understand not every single question of the series gets answered, but that was a MAJOR thread, the ONLY reason Charlie was willing to die down in that station was because Des assured him that he saw Claire & Aaron boarding a helicopter to safety after he flicked that switch. I just thought after awhile maybe the trick with it would be that Desmond never said how long after hitting the switch that that moment would happen, so...

[junior94]

Also I'm thinking that one of the implications from the premiere is there's sort of two different groups of Others, and the bulk of the people who were at the Temple, that's where they usually hang ALL of the time, even when Ben and his crew were comfortably in the formerly Dharma barracks.

Well, maybe the island prefers its true servants (being the Others, of course) to have more of an old school attitude like this, and the reason why Ben was allowed to get sick with a spinal tumor was because the island didn't approve of him having a certain faction of Others leading a much more modernized life style. I mean the Asian dude and his main translator, I highly doubt we're supposed to think that they were also living down in the Dharma barracks pre-815 crash, we just didn't happen to see them at Juliete's book club meeting. They are obviously high ranking Others members, maybe even the Asian dude was sort of the same rank as Ben, just two different groups being led.

[water_into_wine]

Well yea obviously, but I mean c'mon man, I can't be the only one who would be pissed about that. I understand not every single question of the series gets answered, but that was a MAJOR thread, the ONLY reason Charlie was willing to die down in that station was because Des assured him that he saw Claire & Aaron boarding a helicopter to safety after he flicked that switch. I just thought after awhile maybe the trick with it would be that Desmond never said how long after hitting the switch that that moment would happen, so...

I know. To be honest, for me it was never a huge issue. I have become more worried about other things and basically forgot about that. Also were Desmond's visions ever exact? No, because people changed them. For example, Charlie didn't get his throat pierced because Desmond saved him. So far Aaron has left on a helicopter, maybe Claire will do the same. To me it personally has become irrelevant, as I'm sure a few mysteries I am curious about have the same effect on you.

[JMcCartyFBI]

And I forget if it's here that I brought this up already, but the ash whose purpose has been made much more clear now, would seem to most likely belong to the still as yet unseen volcano on the island. The one that's talked about in young Ben's Dharma science class, and that Damon & Carlton promise on that episode's commentary track will play heavily in the show before series end.

Jacob: "Well, you see, there's another one of those ankh things (what Hurley was carrying in the guitar case) that is the source of the man in black's power. The only way to destroy him is for Jack to take the ankh to the island's volcano and throw it into the crater."

Charlie: "Terrific."

[hbktonyb]

I don't think the Charlie sacrificing himself issue is a big deal at all. He was destined to die. He was going to die whether it was him sacrificing himself or some other freak accident. That is satisfying enough for me.

[dh4645]

Also I'm thinking that one of the implications from the premiere is there's sort of two different groups of Others, and the bulk of the people who were at the Temple, that's where they usually hang ALL of the time, even when Ben and his crew were comfortably in the formerly Dharma barracks.

Well, maybe the island prefers its true servants (being the Others, of course) to have more of an old school attitude like this, and the reason why Ben was allowed to get sick with a spinal tumor was because the island didn't approve of him having a certain faction of Others leading a much more modernized life style. I mean the Asian dude and his main translator, I highly doubt we're supposed to think that they were also living down in the Dharma barracks pre-815 crash, we just didn't happen to see them at Juliete's book club meeting. They are obviously high ranking Others members, maybe even the Asian dude was sort of the same rank as Ben, just two different groups being led.

yeah i called them the other OTHERS a few pages back.

[jojo04]

Also I'm thinking that one of the implications from the premiere is there's sort of two different groups of Others, and the bulk of the people who were at the Temple, that's where they usually hang ALL of the time, even when Ben and his crew were comfortably in the formerly Dharma barracks.

Well, maybe the island prefers its true servants (being the Others, of course) to have more of an old school attitude like this, and the reason why Ben was allowed to get sick with a spinal tumor was because the island didn't approve of him having a certain faction of Others leading a much more modernized life style. I mean the Asian dude and his main translator, I highly doubt we're supposed to think that they were also living down in the Dharma barracks pre-815 crash, we just didn't happen to see them at Juliete's book club meeting. They are obviously high ranking Others members, maybe even the Asian dude was sort of the same rank as Ben, just two different groups being led.


I just think it's possible, since Juliet said it did work, that maybe the whole Dharma thing never happened and Ben never came to the island to ruin it. So he was never leader. Creepy Asian guy is. I feel collectively Lost fans are like DMB fans, we bitch and complain and try to figure out every little thing and as far as Lost goes, they always satisfy. Once you get the answer, it's like going to a concert, thats why you watch it.

[GinaNMU]

I still better be seeing Claire and Aaron on a helicopter leaving the island at some point, dammit. They spent like 6 friggin episodes setting up the rationale why Charlie would sacrifice himself at the end of season 3, and we've yet to see the fruition of that particular Desmond vision. If this is a story thread that's just plain forgotten about, I'll be less than pleased.

I feel like you will be disappointed seeing as Aaron isn't even on the island.

Well yea obviously, but I mean c'mon man, I can't be the only one who would be pissed about that. I understand not every single question of the series gets answered, but that was a MAJOR thread, the ONLY reason Charlie was willing to die down in that station was because Des assured him that he saw Claire & Aaron boarding a helicopter to safety after he flicked that switch. I just thought after awhile maybe the trick with it would be that Desmond never said how long after hitting the switch that that moment would happen, so...

If this doesn't get explained, it will be THE most disappointing aspect of the whole series for me. This must be played out.

[junior94]

I just think it's possible, since Juliet said it did work, that maybe the whole Dharma thing never happened and Ben never came to the island to ruin it. So he was never leader. Creepy Asian guy is. I feel collectively Lost fans are like DMB fans, we bitch and complain and try to figure out every little thing and as far as Lost goes, they always satisfy. Once you get the answer, it's like going to a concert, thats why you watch it.

Well no that can't be right, because at the time the bomb was attempted, not only was Ben already on the island, he'd already been "officially" made an Other (even if he were to be going back and living amongst Dharma only pretending to be one of them).

[TwoStep2888]

http://i46.tinypic.com/2d0e8t0.gif

[shoegal_97]

I'm trying to catch up but I'm pretty behind. Now at the end of Season 4, when Ben moves the island while the 6 are in the helicopter, why did he have to do that?

[GinaNMU]

i think the alternate timeline story is great. i know a lot of people don't like that they did it, but i think it was true LOST style to answer the question of "reset or no reset?" by doing both. and i'm really interested to see how the writers tie these two timelines together in the end.

I don't know if it's being done really to answer the questions or "reset or no reset". I think we already know that really, the reset in the manner we were expecting didn't happen.

I hope that whatever was unleashed in the season 5 finale, whether bomb or electro-mag force or both, is/are the cause for the reset 2004 timeline (if not the actual sinking of the island). Otherwise, I don't see the point to the finale or Farraday's contribution to the story. That episode has to have had some effect, hasn't it?

This is my theory about all of this...It's possible that the 1977 group's contribution, while failing to save them right THEN, still succeeded in creating a timeline with versions of themselves capable of fixing what's wrong and saving them. Yes? Or does this not make sense... :lol

[antsman41]

even desmond said a atombomb couldn't destroy thme hatch in season 2s finale part two.

[antsman41]

I forgot farradays mum first appeared in season 3 when desmonds starts time traveling. she talks about how he will "time-correct." this is what will happen to the main gang because they are "destined" to be on the island too...

[DIDriveOut2SPAC]

all caught up.

[TwoStep2888]

Good job.

[DIDriveOut2SPAC]

I got through all 6 seasons in a matter of two weeks. As pathetic as this is, I am pumped for this show. I have my theories that I will share later on.

[dre2142]

why do i feel we are going to be left dissapointed after this season.

[dh4645]

I got through all 6 seasons in a matter of two weeks. As pathetic as this is, I am pumped for this show. I have my theories that I will share later on.

all 6 seasons?
how did u see the rest of the current season already. haha
:evil

[dh4645]

funny

http://www.spike.com/video/bud-light-lost/3334718

doritos slap was the best, but it's not LOST themed, so i didnt post it.

[GinaNMU]

all caught up.

I got through all 6 seasons in a matter of two weeks. As pathetic as this is, I am pumped for this show. I have my theories that I will share later on.

Welcome and congrats, Dan! :lol It's the best show ever.

[GinaNMU]

why do i feel we are going to be left dissapointed after this season.

out.

[RJP2741]

I got through all 6 seasons in a matter of two weeks. As pathetic as this is, I am pumped for this show. I have my theories that I will share later on.

I'm actually jealous of this. :lol I'll probably do it at some point after all 6 seasons are on DVD.

why do i feel we are going to be left dissapointed after this season.

I really don't think we will be. We've trusted these writers for 5 years an they haven't disappointed yet, no reason to think they would start now.

[GinaNMU]

I'm actually jealous of this. :lol I'll probably do it at some point after all 6 seasons are on DVD.



I really don't think we will be. We've trusted these writers for 5 years an they haven't disappointed yet, no reason to think they would start now.

:thumbsup

And you can't please everyone. You have to take it for what it is b/c no matter what, it's not going to end exactly up to people's standards.

[CaffeineQueen]

If this doesn't get explained, it will be THE most disappointing aspect of the whole series for me. This must be played out.

I don't know about THE most disappointing, but I feel it would be pretty disappointing.

I just want to know where the stupid numbers came from!

[dre2142]

:thumbsup

And you can't please everyone. You have to take it for what it is b/c no matter what, it's not going to end exactly up to people's standards.


Sure ya can.....shows end all the time and its either overwhelmingly approved, or overwhelmingly disapproved of. Time will tell I guess.

[pathetic]

even desmond said a atombomb couldn't destroy thme hatch in season 2s finale part two.

apparently it isnt enough to instantly kill juliet either

[RJP2741]

apparently it isnt enough to instantly kill juliet either

I read this somewhere, maybe earlier in this thread, but it actually isn't THAT unrealistic that it didn't kill her. It's no more unrealistic than the rest of them (Jack and co) surviving. If you're within 100 yds of an atomic bomb going off, you would be dead 100% of the time, except on LOST.

[pathetic]

I read this somewhere, maybe earlier in this thread, but it actually isn't THAT unrealistic that it didn't kill her. It's no more unrealistic than the rest of them (Jack and co) surviving. If you're within 100 yds of an atomic bomb going off, you would be dead 100% of the time, except on LOST.

someone else said something along the lines of maybe it wasnt the explosion that was a white out, it was another movement of time and the explosion next happened, but idk about that either cause juliet said that it worked...

i still think there has to be a different explanation of the nuke...i mean, how could that possibly go off and leave a person laying 2ft next to it alive:lol

[CaffeineQueen]

so, I'm rewatching last week's episode and realized something... I don't think the foot that they show when they do the island under water is the same foot. Jacob lived in the left foot, that was a right foot, and the base of it was different...

[jkrue22]

I don't know about THE most disappointing, but I feel it would be pretty disappointing.

I just want to know where the stupid numbers came from!

Don't we already know this? They were the original variables of the Valenzetti equation, which the Dharma Initiative was trying to change. Also we saw them being printed on the hatch door.

[shoegal_97]

Now on Beginning of Season 5 I think episode 5, This Place is Death.

Pretty good but im going crazy with questions!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[shoegal_97]

I could swear I saw Jin off the island, going to a pregnant woman, who wasn't Sun. How the hell did he get off the island. Right now I'm at the part where he washed up on shore and they are all time traveling, and they are by the well and Locke is going in to it. He told Locke not to bring back Sun.

[junior94]

Don't we already know this? They were the original variables of the Valenzetti equation, which the Dharma Initiative was trying to change. Also we saw them being printed on the hatch door.

Well yea I consider the numbers fairly well dealt with to a degree, although having said that, I think it's curious that, while yes they've confirmed that what was in that early Lost game to be part of official canon, you still had to go to something outside of the show to get the information. For something that big, I'm not sure that's very fair (& was the smartest thing to do). I suppose my primary concern about it is why exactly the numbers were getting broadcast repeatedly on the radio transmission, the one that Leonard originally heard when he was an officer stationed wherever that helped him to go crazy, and I believe it was that transmission that guided Danielle's team towards the island.

But the boys did say that we'll be getting more coverage on the numbers this season, so...

[dh4645]

so, I'm rewatching last week's episode and realized something... I don't think the foot that they show when they do the island under water is the same foot. Jacob lived in the left foot, that was a right foot, and the base of it was different...

well if that's true (i didnt research)...that's fine.

they are just showing what else changed after the bomb. maybe the bomb blew off the other foot. haha.

[CaffeineQueen]

Well yea I consider the numbers fairly well dealt with to a degree, although having said that, I think it's curious that, while yes they've confirmed that what was in that early Lost game to be part of official canon, you still had to go to something outside of the show to get the information. For something that big, I'm not sure that's very fair (& was the smartest thing to do). I suppose my primary concern about it is why exactly the numbers were getting broadcast repeatedly on the radio transmission, the one that Leonard originally heard when he was an officer stationed wherever that helped him to go crazy, and I believe it was that transmission that guided Danielle's team towards the island.

But the boys did say that we'll be getting more coverage on the numbers this season, so...

ah, ok I don't feel like an idiot. I thought I missed a major plot point with the numbers! :thumbsup

[GinaNMU]

Happy Lost Day, friends! :)

[dh4645]

Happy Lost Day, friends! :)

already!!! yeah!!!

i'll probably be out shoveling more snow tonight. ugh.

[pathetic]

Woooooooooo LOST!!!!

[GinaNMU]

already!!! yeah!!!

i'll probably be out shoveling more snow tonight. ugh.

:shrug We're supposed to get it here in Boston tomorrow/tomorrow night.

[pathetic]

:shrug We're supposed to get it here in Boston tomorrow/tomorrow night.

ahhhhh i keep hearing this, but how much are we supposed to get?

[CaffeineQueen]

Happy Lost Day, friends! :)

:multi:multi:multi

[breckbrew]

Another child birth class tonight but we're supposed to get another big snow storm so it will probably be cancelled. Early dismissal last week, probably no class this week - Mother Nature wants me to watch LOST!

[dh4645]

Another child birth class tonight but we're supposed to get another big snow storm so it will probably be cancelled. Early dismissal last week, probably no class this week - Mother Nature wants me to watch LOST!

yeah for snow! my shoulder blade area is still a little sore from the 3 hrs of shoveling on saturday with the wife. luckily the neighbors had a snow blower and did the hard part by the road where the snow plows packed everything in...otherwise it would have been another hr of shoveling.

and we get to do it all over again tonight/tomorrow. yeah!

[DoDaFoo]

Watching the S6 premier again right now to see what I can catch this time.

1st thing: Desmond is wearing a wedding ring on the plane.

[RhodyDMBFan]

These made me lol

http://www.forkparty.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/lost-avatar.jpg

http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_kwo9ysPNbK1qzzta5o1_500.jpg

[GinaNMU]

Watching the S6 premier again right now to see what I can catch this time.

1st thing: Desmond is wearing a wedding ring on the plane.

Well THAT is interesting...

[CaffeineQueen]

Watching the S6 premier again right now to see what I can catch this time.

1st thing: Desmond is wearing a wedding ring on the plane.

I was looking for little stuff like that. I noticed Jin and Sun weren't wearing theirs, but we kind of already knew that from the name thing.

[GinaNMU]

Watching the S6 premier again right now to see what I can catch this time.

1st thing: Desmond is wearing a wedding ring on the plane.

Well THAT is interesting...

My boyfriend just mentioned to me (after I told him about this) that Jin and Sun are NOT wearing rings. Hmm. I want to try and verify this...

[GinaNMU]

I was looking for little stuff like that. I noticed Jin and Sun weren't wearing theirs, but we kind of already knew that from the name thing.

:lol Well there ya go! ;)

[pathetic]

i want to know why jack's neck was bleeding on the plane

[junior94]

i want to know why jack's neck was bleeding on the plane

I think it was in that Dark UFO person's analysis of the premiere, the thought that it's significant that we only see the mark on Jack's neck in the mirror, we don't see it directly.

[CaffeineQueen]

:lol Well there ya go! ;)

:lol:lol

i want to know why jack's neck was bleeding on the plane

I think it was in that Dark UFO person's analysis of the premiere, the thought that it's significant that we only see the mark on Jack's neck in the mirror, we don't see it directly.

that was interesting too. I tried looking to see if maybe you get a shot of it somewhere else.

also, how did he even see it? it was covered by his collar!

I also tried getting a good look at the mural in the Jacob cave during the whole "Flocke" and Ben scene it pans over it, but on Hulu when you pause, it gets tiny so I couldn't.

[DoDaFoo]

Yeah, I noticed that Jin and Sun are definitely not wearing wedding rings.

Noticed a couple of other things in the underwater shot at the beginning too.

One is that the shark does have the Dharma logo (not sure if that was mentioned yet).

The other thing is that next to the foot of the statue, the large Ankh that was originally being held by the statue appears to be half-submerged in the sand.

Those were the big things I picked up.

[RJP2741]

L O S T !

Only a few more hours...

[pathetic]

L O S T !

Only a few more hours...

wooooooooo:multi:multi:multi

[CaffeineQueen]

L O S T !

Only a few more hours...

:thumbsup:thumbsup

[william.hosking]

"Previously on Lost..."


I love hearing that every week!!

[water_into_wine]

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LOST Day! :multi

[junior94]

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LOST Day! :multi


I don't see your point

:lol


Btw I'm quite disappointed to have my sig-worthyness so short lived :( I felt so special :lol

[water_into_wine]

I don't see your point

:lol


Btw I'm quite disappointed to have my sig-worthyness so short lived :( I felt so special :lol

I found an even more awkward post :lol

[antsman41]

^ holy... Hurley just had an anuerism (sp?)...

[JMcCartyFBI]

Is Lost the only television series that has done the whole "last week's episode with on-screen commentary" bit the hour before new episodes? I don't know if it's an original idea, but it sure is helpful.

[dh4645]

any good info on the pop ups?
i didnt watch it

[CaffeineQueen]

any good info on the pop ups?
i didnt watch it

Nothing I didn't notice, but it kind of helps keep you focused on what seems to be key points. Here we go!

[dh4645]

"hurry up wife and get off the pot so we can start the show"

i just said that to her

[yellowflame34]

Mac!!!!!!

[dmb@uvm]

I wonder when the rest of the Gang is going to show up.

[RJP2741]

Is Lost the only television series that has done the whole "last week's episode with on-screen commentary" bit the hour before new episodes? I don't know if it's an original idea, but it sure is helpful.

You mean other than Pop Up Videos on VH1 from the 90's? :lol

[antsman41]

Mac!!!!!!

Aldo returns...

[antsman41]

$100 Claire is the one making traps in the Forrest...

[yellowflame34]

$100 Claire is the one making traps in the Forrest...

thought that too!

[dh4645]

claire is so hot.
i wish gothic claire would make an appearance too.

[Beebz]

God Kate episodes are the worst. We get it: you're always running, and you have a thing for Sawyer. Move the fuck on.

[joepsu0985]

claire is so hot.
i wish gothic claire would make an appearance too.

"The time for answers is now." Fuck off. This is getting to be bullshit.

[Beebz]

Also, fuck you comcast description man for giving something away.

Edit: and there it is.

Double edit: pretty clever line about the needles.

[water_into_wine]

Oh shit! Ethan?

Bets that Aaron dies?

[wampa3]

That same exact scene happened on the island with Ethan and Claire.

Creepy.

Kate also flinched when she heard the name Aaron

[Beebz]

Hmmmmmm

[water_into_wine]

Shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit.

[Marijuanna]

wtf.

[antsman41]

Called it...

btw Claire pwning Mac is epic.

[antsman41]

Called it...

btw Claire pwning Mac is epic.

[Beebz]

Early grade: D+Complete stall episode. Did practically nothing to advance the story.all the interesting parts could have been condensed into a five minute block.

Big disappointment this late in the game. At this point, every episode should be chock full of island. And no Flocke appearance at all is unforgivable.

[wampa3]

Curiouser and curiouser......

[luke7]

I took a nap and the stupid alarm clock didn't go off at 9PM so I'm about to watch LOST now on my DVR.

[dmb@uvm]

weak.

[yellowflame34]

Rousseau style bad ass claire

[joepsu0985]

That is an F grade for that ep for sure. It was pointless. Up until the last 5 minutes or so. Complete BS on the writers part, and the promo saying the time for answers is now.

[soprano15104]

I'm putting this episode in the same league as "Stranger in a Strange Land" episode. Not really good at all.

[Beebz]

I took a nap and the stupid alarm clock didn't go off at 9PM so I'm about to watch LOST now on my DVR.

Fast forward to the last five minutes. Only parts worth watching.

[ant_marching41]

That is an F grade for that ep for sure. It was pointless. Up until the last 5 minutes or so. Complete BS on the writers part, and the promo saying the time for answers is now.
Don't worry, next week they've promised us that "the time for questions ends now!"

Pretty meh episode. I don't feel fulfilled at all.

[dmb@uvm]

That is an F grade for that ep for sure. It was pointless. Up until the last 5 minutes or so. Complete BS on the writers part, and the promo saying the time for answers is now.

I was pretty upset about that too, but then I saw the promo for next week and it said the time for answers was now. So, they must have just gotten the episodes mixed up. Im excited again cuz now I know for sure that Im getting the answers next week!!!

[joepsu0985]

Kate needs to die too. I'm tired of her. Same story, same actions on repeat.

[water_into_wine]

Theory/Prediction: Claire is the one who moved the ash around the cabin to let Smokey out.

[Beebz]

I'm putting this episode in the same league as "Stranger in a Strange Land" episode. Not really good at all.
Hate to get all hyperbolic, but you could make the case, based on the quality of the episode and how late in the show it aired, that it was the worst episode of Lost ever.

[RJP2741]

I thought having the end date meant we would avoid episodes like this. Every time they switched to the LAX timeline I was just waiting and hoping they would go back to the island, and then they would, but it would be Kate chasing Sawyer rather than Jack and Sayid talking with the Asian dude. I don't even really buy Kate's whole motive for beating up the Others and running away, they were taking her to Sawyer anyway. Overall pretty weak, though I like the twist with on-island Claire.

[JMcCartyFBI]

You mean other than Pop Up Videos on VH1 from the 90's? :lol

Actually no, that's not what I meant at all.

[hbktonyb]

Wow, that was a final season episode? Nothing happened other than the Ethan moment and Claire on the island...wtf.

[Beebz]

Theory/Prediction: Claire is the one who moved the ash around the cabin to let Smokey out.

Solid theory. Makes total sense.

[joepsu0985]

I was pretty upset about that too, but then I saw the promo for next week and it said the time for answers was now. So, they must have just gotten the episodes mixed up. Im excited again cuz now I know for sure that Im getting the answers next week!!!

They showed that after last week. We learned nothing except Claire went Roussaeu on us.

[soprano15104]

Hate to get all hyperbolic, but you could make the case, based on the quality of the episode and how late in the show it aired, that it was the worst episode of Lost ever.

I really didnt want to come out and say but I think you're right. The only good thing about it was seeing mac and claire.

[dmb@uvm]

They showed that after last week. We learned nothing except Claire went Roussaeu on us.

sorry i should have added this to the end of my post...

:rolleyes



seriously, ants might have the worst perception of sarcasm. :lol

[hbktonyb]

I wouldn't say the worst, but def. a 'mostly' filler episode. No need for that with only 14 left, we need storyline progress and answers!

[hbktonyb]

So the season 1 sickness is the fact that MIB/Smokey can take you over and your heart can go black?

[JMcCartyFBI]

Early grade: D+Complete stall episode. Did practically nothing to advance the story.all the interesting parts could have been condensed into a five minute block.

Big disappointment this late in the game. At this point, every episode should be chock full of island. And no Flocke appearance at all is unforgivable.

I completely agree, but unfortunately this kind of thing is sometimes necessary in highly serialized television. All the pieces have to be in the right places in order to move into the final act, and sometimes that results in entire episodes where nothing happens other than setting things up for future episodes. This happened several times on BSG before the end.

Despite the fact that this episode had virtually no plot, we now know that the "disease" that Rousseau talked about way back in season one is finally going to be explained and that it is important somehow. And we now know why Claire was acting so weird the last time we saw her.

[hbktonyb]

Where is the off-island stuff leading? We already now know off-island is going to be similar to what happened on island. Is every episode this season going to be half wasted on this?

[RJP2741]

Where is the off-island stuff leading? We already now know off-island is going to be similar to what happened on island. Is every episode this season going to be half wasted on this?

This is exactly my thought process on it too, it was cool last week, but I'm bored with it now. They need to solve it somehow, and soon. Or make a serious progression with it.

[hbktonyb]

Ya, it was very cool last week, but seems like a waste if they build this up for 15 episodes until a finale that merges the 2 timelines!

[dh4645]

This is exactly my thought process on it too, it was cool last week, but I'm bored with it now. They need to solve it somehow, and soon. Or make a serious progression with it.

agreed.

pretty bad episode. claire is so damn hot though

[joepsu0985]

I'm on team smokey. I think they are the good guys in this story. Claire and Not-Locke are on team smokey. I think Christian Shephard is too.

[Beebz]

FBI, you're right that BSG did the same thing toward the end, dedicating episodes toward moving pieces around. Still sucks though.

My fear with the alt timeline is that it would lead to exactly what happened tonight--a "who the fuck cares?" timewaster that's more "ok, cool anddddd" than anything substantive.I just don't really care that their lives still interact in some alternate universe, that they can't change fate. The island has always been the heart of the story. Get there at stay there. Its the last season. Get it together.

[jkrue22]

I'm on team smokey. I think they are the good guys in this story. Claire and Not-Locke are on team smokey. I think Christian Shephard is too.

Go Team Jacob! (seewutididthur?)

[Beebz]

I'm on team smokey. I think they are the good guys in this story. Claire and Not-Locke are on team smokey. I think Christian Shephard is too.

That just doesn't make sense. The entire series would ring false if this evil, nasty Locke turned out to be the "good guy." Not buying that for a second.

[jkrue22]

"Aaron's gonna be a real handful." Nice.

Yea the only good parts of this episode were those involving Ethan and Claire (and Mac from Always Sunny, although I just laughed whenever he was on the screen).

So Sayid is "claimed"... maybe because he tried to kill Ben? I think the Island has a strict "no killing" policy (hence the loophole and some other talk of rules).

Overall a pretty boring episode, I really had my hopes up for tonight too.

[RJP2741]

I'm on team smokey. I think they are the good guys in this story. Claire and Not-Locke are on team smokey. I think Christian Shephard is too.

I'm still not sure about Christian. And, did Sayid come back to life before or after The Others set up all their protections to keep Smokey out? Because if they had already lined the temple with ash, how did Smokey get in to take over Sayid?

[thebridge15]

Terrible episode IMO. Seemed like something way more ridiculous was about to happen and didn't.

[thebridge15]

"Aaron's gonna be a real handful." Nice.

Yea the only good parts of this episode were those involving Ethan and Claire (and Mac from Always Sunny, although I just laughed whenever he was on the screen).

So Sayid is "claimed"... maybe because he tried to kill Ben? I think the Island has a strict "no killing" policy (hence the loophole and some other talk of rules).

Overall a pretty boring episode, I really had my hopes up for tonight too.I laughed when he first appeared in S3 too.

[Beebz]

Curious to see what reaction elsewhere will be to this. The fans on this board are usually pretty tame.angry hardcore Lost fans make angry hardcore DMB fans look like rational people. :lol

[joepsu0985]

I'm still not sure about Christian. And, did Sayid come back to life before or after The Others set up all their protections to keep Smokey out? Because if they had already lined the temple with ash, how did Smokey get in to take over Sayid?

All i know is that claire was with Christian. Christian was giving locke orders from the cabin. Unless Smokey was never in the cabin and the ash was to keep him out and he infected claire in the cabin. Hmm. Interesting.

[soprano15104]

DamonLindelof
For those of you complaining of "filler." Seriously. PLEASE WATCH NCIS: LOS ANGELES. I promise not to hold it against you.
about 1 hour ago from web

[soprano15104]

That's from his twitter.

[jkrue22]

DamonLindelof
For those of you complaining of "filler." Seriously. PLEASE WATCH NCIS: LOS ANGELES. I promise not to hold it against you.
about 1 hour ago from web

LOL defensive much?

Sorry Damon, it's the second episode of the final season... no excuses.

[dh4645]

DamonLindelof
For those of you complaining of "filler." Seriously. PLEASE WATCH NCIS: LOS ANGELES. I promise not to hold it against you.
about 1 hour ago from web

then give us something other than filler and we wont complain buddy
what a douche

[41ravens]

glad to see i'm not the only one who thought this was a complete waste of an episode.

[hbktonyb]

He must be getting hammered on the tweets. Not our fault, the episode was not very good. FILLER.

[thebridge15]

DamonLindelof
For those of you complaining of "filler." Seriously. PLEASE WATCH NCIS: LOS ANGELES. I promise not to hold it against you.
about 1 hour ago from webKinda toolish. If you have a hit show you're going to get criticized.

[jkrue22]

Guys, I figured it out:

Jacob is Dayman, fighter of the Nightman (Nemesis/MIB)!

[thebridge15]

champion of the sun

[41ravens]

master of karate and friendship for everyone.

[thebridge15]

"you're gay!"

[Revolution36]

ZZZZzzzZZZZzzzZZZZ

[Talula62]

Guys, I figured it out:

Jacob is Dayman, fighter of the Nightman (Nemesis/MIB)!
:lol :lol :lol

This episode isn't the worst ever, you little bitches, it has Mac. ;)

(I'm only half serious, I'm only 18 minutes in.)

[luke7]

Don't really know what to think or say about the episode so far. I was a bit underwhelmed. I heard it's being called the worst episode of LOST ever lol ! I watched it an hour after it aired and people on here suggested I fast forward to the last 5mins.

[clcfball11]

Just finished watching it. Definitely extremely disappointing, but as somebody pointed out, everything has to be set up for the final story.

I actually had a bad feeling about the episode right when I saw the title..."what kate does". Blah. What is next week's called?

[clcfball11]

Does anyone else have a bad feeling about the rest of the season too now? :( I can hardly bear the thought of the final season flopping..

[luke7]

Does anyone else have a bad feeling about the rest of the season too now? :( I can hardly bear the thought of the final season flopping..

From the first day it was announced three years ago that they would stop at 6. No way they can live up to expectations.

[dmb41er]

What time is the episode available online?

[Talula62]

:lol Oh come on. This was not the worst episode ever, do you people not remember Jack's tattoos? Second, that was probably the least annoying Kate-centric episode they've ever made -- they didn't give her shit for dialogue like they usually do in her episodes. Sawyer was heartbreaking, Claire is back, and Mac cracked me UP.

That said, of course the show won't please everyone at the end, but there is actually alot of time left if you really think about it.

[clcfball11]

What time is the episode available online?

If you use torrents, right now :thumbsup

http://eztv.it/ep/18513/lost-s06e03-hdtv-xvid-2hd/

[DMBzilla]

That just doesn't make sense. The entire series would ring false if this evil, nasty Locke turned out to be the "good guy." Not buying that for a second.

How do you know Flocke/MiB is definitely evil? All we know for sure about MiB is that he wanted Jacob dead, and found his loophole to kill Jacob through Ben. I was thinking about the possibility that MiB could actually be the good guy, and two specific scenes came to mind.

The first was the conversation between Jacob and MiB. As they talk on the beach with the ship (presumably the Black Rock) on the horizon, MiB is clearly annoyed that Jacob brought people to the island. He explains his reasoning for his displeasure by saying, "They come, fight, they destroy, they corrupt. It always ends the same." MiB is obviously against people coming to the island because in his mind their actions will result in negative consequences. He also seems to show genuine concern for the island's wellfare. That doesn't sound like an evil being to me, but rather someone with concern for the island and someone who doesn't take pleasure in conflict, destruction and corruption.

The second conversation was between Flocke/MiB and Ben, where they discuss Locke. Flocke/MiB says, "...when John first came to the island he was a very sad man. A victim shouting at the world for telling him what he couldn't do, even though they were right. He was weak, and pathetic, and irreparably broken. But, despite all that, there was something admirable about him. He was the only one of them who didn't want to leave, the only who realized how pitiful the life he'd left behind actually was." Here, Flocke/MiB is again singing the island's praises, and shows respect for the one man who wanted to stay on the island and who realized what a special place it was.

The cinematography in this scene is also of note, as Flocke/MiB leans forward into the light when talking about Locke, and fades back to darkness when telling Ben that he wants to leave the island to "go home." The fact that MiB wants to leave the island he seemingly loves now may not mean he's evil, because he finally achieved his goal: Jacob is dead, and perhaps that means that MiB's work there is done.

These two scenes lead me to believe that MiB's morals and values are actually much more in line with good than evil.

[CaffeineQueen]

How do you know Flocke/MiB is definitely evil? All we know for sure about MiB is that he wanted Jacob dead, and found his loophole to kill Jacob through Ben. I was thinking about the possibility that MiB could actually be the good guy, and two specific scenes came to mind.

The first was the conversation between Jacob and MiB. As they talk on the beach with the ship (presumably the Black Rock) on the horizon, MiB is clearly annoyed that Jacob brought people to the island. He explains his reasoning for his displeasure by saying, "They come, fight, they destroy, they corrupt. It always ends the same." MiB is obviously against people coming to the island because in his mind their actions will result in negative consequences. He also seems to show genuine concern for the island's wellfare. That doesn't sound like an evil being to me, but rather someone with concern for the island and someone who doesn't take pleasure in conflict, destruction and corruption.

The second conversation was between Flocke/MiB and Ben, where they discuss Locke. Flocke/MiB says, "...when John first came to the island he was a very sad man. A victim shouting at the world for telling him what he couldn't do, even though they were right. He was weak, and pathetic, and irreparably broken. But, despite all that, there was something admirable about him. He was the only one of them who didn't want to leave, the only who realized how pitiful the life he'd left behind actually was." Here, Flocke/MiB is again singing the island's praises, and shows respect for the one man who wanted to stay on the island and who realized what a special place it was.

The cinematography in this scene is also of note, as Flocke/MiB leans forward into the light when talking about Locke, and fades back to darkness when telling Ben that he wants to leave the island to "go home." The fact that MiB wants to leave the island he seemingly loves now may not mean he's evil, because he finally achieved his goal: Jacob is dead, and perhaps that means that MiB's work there is done.

These two scenes lead me to believe that MiB's morals and values are actually much more in line with good than evil.

Good points. My initial feeling was that MiB was the good guy, but I'm not entirely sure now. I guess we'll have to wait and see!

[RJP2741]

What I liked:
- Clairesseau
- Any scene involving Jack and Doger (sp?), I wish more time was spent with them in this episode
- Josh Holloway's acting, I thought he was great last night
- Finding out what the sickness actually is

What I didn't like:
- Kate, I really very strongly dislike her character at this point, she is totally unlikeable. If she had any sense at all she would know that the last person Sawyer would want to be around right now is her
- A lack of Flocke/Richard
- The overall filler feel of this episode, the important points could've been made in about 5-10 minutes

What I'm not sure about:
- The off-island story. I just listened to the podcast and from what I gathered from Darlton, the off-island stuff is here to stay and they said that we have to be patient. Which means that we probably won't see a payoff anytime soon and that means half of each episode will presumably be spent in Los Angeles. I think there needs to be some progression with it for me to be patient. If the only point of those scenes for the first half of the season is to show that even with a reset very similar events would've happened anyway, then I'm already bored with it.
- Something else from the podcast, not this episode in particular, but they stressed how much they dislike the phrase "alternate reality" because to suggest that one of these timelines isn't "real" is not what they are going for.

[pathetic]

What I liked:
- Clairesseau
- Any scene involving Jack and Doger (sp?), I wish more time was spent with them in this episode
- Josh Holloway's acting, I thought he was great last night
- Finding out what the sickness actually is

What I didn't like:
- Kate, I really very strongly dislike her character at this point, she is totally unlikeable. If she had any sense at all she would know that the last person Sawyer would want to be around right now is her
- A lack of Flocke/Richard
- The overall filler feel of this episode, the important points could've been made in about 5-10 minutes

What I'm not sure about:
- The off-island story. I just listened to the podcast and from what I gathered from Darlton, the off-island stuff is here to stay and they said that we have to be patient. Which means that we probably won't see a payoff anytime soon and that means half of each episode will presumably be spent in Los Angeles. I think there needs to be some progression with it for me to be patient. If the only point of those scenes for the first half of the season is to show that even with a reset very similar events would've happened anyway, then I'm already bored with it.
- Something else from the podcast, not this episode in particular, but they stressed how much they dislike the phrase "alternate reality" because to suggest that one of these timelines isn't "real" is not what they are going for.

i really disliked the lack of flocke and richard in this ep too...too many closeups in this season so far. it seems like whenever something happens they do a closeup of everyone's face instead of showing a big picture.

I also wish they'd focus more on Illana and what she's going to do...i mean she was supposed to protect jacob right? so whats she gonna do now? sun and frank are useless so far

[RJP2741]

i really disliked the lack of flocke and richard in this ep too...too many closeups in this season so far. it seems like whenever something happens they do a closeup of everyone's face instead of showing a big picture.

I also wish they'd focus more on Illana and what she's going to do...i mean she was supposed to protect jacob right? so whats she gonna do now? sun and frank are useless so far

Yeah, I meant to add them. Neglecting that whole crew for an entire episode is pretty bad.

After two episodes (3 hours) anyone have any death predictions? At this point I think Sawyer's a goner, as is Sayid (again). And mostly out of hope, I'm gonna say Kate.

[pathetic]

Yeah, I meant to add them. Neglecting that whole crew for an entire episode is pretty bad.

After two episodes (3 hours) anyone have any death predictions? At this point I think Sawyer's a goner, as is Sayid (again). And mostly out of hope, I'm gonna say Kate.

Sawyer, really? wow thats a bold one.

i say that Sayid is the most likely candidate to die.

I could see miles dying :lol

[RJP2741]

Yeah, I could see there being some casualties people aren't thrilled about, and Sawyer seems like he has nothing left to live for at this point.

This quote sums up my feelings on the flash-sideways scenes, I couldn't have said it any better. The full review is http://sepinwall.blogspot.com/2010/02/lost-what-kate-does-fugitive-pigeon.html
It's a new puzzle, but until we have a better sense of what it means, we either need to get a lot of fascinating clues, or those scenes have to work as a good standalone drama the way the better flashback episodes did. And "What Kate Does" didn't offer up enough of either.

[pathetic]

When preggoClaire first mentioned Aaron's name last night, Kate looked like it was familiar to her...

[dh4645]

When preggoClaire first mentioned Aaron's name last night, Kate looked like it was familiar to her...

yeah, in the 1st episode jack had the same look a few times

[Beebz]

To those thinkin MIB is good, you're ignoring some large clues. Namely, that FLocke/smokey wiped out about 15 people so far, including Eko. Flockes mannerisms and facial expressions don't suggest a benovelent being. Nor does the richard throat punch and the Bram impalement. If he turns out to be the good guy, the show will be a failure. A twist for twist's sake is worthless.

Also, we don't know what the sickness is at all.

[RJP2741]

To those thinkin MIB is good, you're ignoring some large clues. Namely, that FLocke/smokey wiped out about 15 people so far, including Eko. Flockes mannerisms and facial expressions don't suggest a benovelent being. Nor does the richard throat punch and the Bram impalement. If he turns out to be the good guy, the show will be a failure. A twist for twist's sake is worthless.

Also, we don't know what the sickness is at all.

Completely agree about Flocke. While I don't think either Jacob or Flocke will be as cut and dry as "good and evil" Flocke is definitely the bad guy.

We know what the sickness is, we just don't know what/who causes it. The sickness is an "infection" that spreads throughout one's body and corrupts them, ultimately transforming them into a primal hunter/killer type of being. So not much should really change for Sayid. :lol

[pathetic]

Completely agree about Flocke. While I don't think either Jacob or Flocke will be as cut and dry as "good and evil" Flocke is definitely the bad guy.

We know what the sickness is, we just don't know what/who causes it. The sickness is an "infection" that spreads throughout one's body and corrupts them, ultimately transforming them into a primal hunter/killer type of being. So not much should really change for Sayid. :lol

:lol :lol

[JMcCartyFBI]

Curious to see what reaction elsewhere will be to this. The fans on this board are usually pretty tame.angry hardcore Lost fans make angry hardcore DMB fans look like rational people. :lol

Yeah I'm kinda frightened to go over to the Lostpedia forums. Shit probably went down.

[Beebz]

Yeah I'm kinda frightened to go over to the Lostpedia forums. Shit probably went down.

:lol

They e-stormed the gates.

[thebridge15]

:lol Oh come on. This was not the worst episode ever, do you people not remember Jack's tattoos? Second, that was probably the least annoying Kate-centric episode they've ever made -- they didn't give her shit for dialogue like they usually do in her episodes. Sawyer was heartbreaking, Claire is back, and Mac cracked me UP.

That said, of course the show won't please everyone at the end, but there is actually alot of time left if you really think about it.I'm rewatching the series and watched that one last night. It's definitely the worst one ever. Literally nothing happens. Nothing whatsoever.

[RJP2741]

Summary of Stranger in a Strange Land: Jack flies a kite, bangs Bai ling, gets beat up by Asian gang.

Edit: Purchases 2 Coca Colas from a small boy.

[CaffeineQueen]

To those thinkin MIB is good, you're ignoring some large clues. Namely, that FLocke/smokey wiped out about 15 people so far, including Eko. Flockes mannerisms and facial expressions don't suggest a benovelent being. Nor does the richard throat punch and the Bram impalement. If he turns out to be the good guy, the show will be a failure. A twist for twist's sake is worthless.

Also, we don't know what the sickness is at all.

I don't know though, because Smokey allegedly judges people before it kills them, so there could be a reason for all those murders.

Think of all the people that died by Jacob bringing them t the island just to prove MiB wrong. It's all a matter of perspective.

[Beebz]

Episode 2: What Kate Does

What I liked about "What Kate Does":

-- The reappearance of Claire, both on and off-island
-- Mac
-- The interactions between Jack and Dogen
-- John Hawkes' character
-- Ethan's clever line about sticking Claire with needles

What I didnt like about "What Kate Does":

-- The complete lack of anything interesting happening off-island
-- Not one Flocke appearance
-- The totally obvious ending, the second one in as many episodes
-- The same horse-beaten story arc between Kate and Sawyer. We get it--you like him, you run from everything. Move the fuck on.
-- The minuscule forward progress the story made thanks to this episode. The interesting parts could have been condensed into a five minute block, and the Sawyer going back to the Dharmaville house could have taken place in LA X.
-- The feeling that this was a total filler/stall episode.
-- Darlton's tweet. I dont think he owns fans an explanation or answer for anything, but if he's gonna give one, it had better be stronger than "go watch NCIS. It sucks compared to Lost." You convinced a lot of people to stick with this show for a long time with the promise that the final season would pay off. So when you have an episode where literally nothing revelatory or exciting happens, people are gonna get pissed. Dont act like you're so far above what the rest of television is producing that you can toss off a throwaway episode and fans will lap it up. It was a shitty episode, and fans are allowed to call you out on it.

Grade: D-

Season 6 grades
LA X: B+
What Kate Does: D-

[Beebz]

I'm rewatching the series and watched that one last night. It's definitely the worst one ever. Literally nothing happens. Nothing whatsoever.

Its terrible. But I think based on the placement in the series canon, "What Kate Does" is worse. Its probably as bad of an episode, but the fact that it comes in season 6 puts it over the top....or under the bottom.

I don't know though, because Smokey allegedly judges people before it kills them, so there could be a reason for all those murders.

Think of all the people that died by Jacob bringing them t the island just to prove MiB wrong. It's all a matter of perspective.

What did Eko do wrong? Or the pilot?

I dont think its black and white, good and evil. But if Locke doesnt turn out to be the antagonist, the entire series will be a fraud. At least to me. There's nothing I hate more than a twist for the sake of having a twist. Unless there is some airtight explanation, its gonna ring false to me.

[Beebz]

http://darkufo.blogspot.com/2010/02/what-did-you-think-of-episode-603-what.html

[CaffeineQueen]

Its terrible. But I think based on the placement in the series canon, "What Kate Does" is worse. Its probably as bad of an episode, but the fact that it comes in season 6 puts it over the top....or under the bottom.



What did Eko do wrong? Or the pilot?

I dont think its black and white, good and evil. But if Locke doesnt turn out to be the antagonist, the entire series will be a fraud. At least to me. There's nothing I hate more than a twist for the sake of having a twist. Unless there is some airtight explanation, its gonna ring false to me.

But I've kind of had the feeling through the whole series that I didn't know if John Locke was the "good guy" or the "bad guy" and this is just sort of an extension of that. I think they like to play on the black and white, but the black isn't really so black and the white really isn't so white.

We shall see.

[Beebz]

From Fancast....

Why does ‘Lost’s “Man in Black” want to kill Jacob so badly? – Gail
We may gain some insight around midseason when, Terry O’Quinn told E! Online’s Kristin, “NotLocke” spouts forth “four pages of the history of the island.” I personally suspect the gents’ feud dates back further than 1845, when they sat there watching the Black Rock slave ship near the island. Why? Because at last month’s TCA tour, Damon Lindelof let slip that the Man in Black’s origins date back “thousands and thousands of years.”

History of the island. Now that's what Im talking about. Kate running from the cops? Not what Im talking about.

[monkeyman420]

Ya, it was very cool last week, but seems like a waste if they build this up for 15 episodes until a finale that merges the 2 timelines!
The 2 timelines are supposed to merge 1/3 of the way through the season, according to Cuse and Lindeloff. So only a few more episodes until they come together.