LOST (the tv show)

[twistedmind1586]

Here's a question I have about Dogen's "arrangement" with Sayid to kill Flocke. Do you think Dogen literally meant that Flocke can't be allowed to speak before Sayid goes to kill him? Like as in, get one word out, or do you think he mean "let him speak" as in just tell Sayid as a whole what he wanted to?

Because if he DID mean it literally, well shit then of course Sayid didn't have a chance in hell of killing him. I mean Flocke isn't the kind of guy you can sneak up on, and so if all's he needs to do is really just say as much as "hello" and the chance to kill him is already gone, well...

I actually took it literally as don't let him say a single word. I was thinking that because Sayid is infected, once Flocke speaks to him, THAT is when he truly becomes evil.

But I'm crazy.

[junior94]

I actually took it literally as don't let him say a single word. I was thinking that because Sayid is infected, once Flocke speaks to him, THAT is when he truly becomes evil.

But I'm crazy.

Okay yea. Well, and what further confused me is that Sayid didn't look alarmed when Flocke said hello to him. Ya know as in like "Shit, it's already too late!!" Sayid proceeded to stab him like it was all exactly how he'd planned it to be.

I mean obviously we could see by the end, that whole thing was about Dogen trying a sly way to get Sayid killed, he knew he didn't have a chance of killing Flocke. It's funny when they went to break, I said to my mom "well Sayid's dead". Because my mind immediately went to the thought of, as it's apparently been portrayed, once someone attempts to attack Flocke, he now has the "right" to kill them. Exactly why Richard screamed at everyone not to shoot at Flocke when he exited the statue.

[mja271]

I enjoyed that episode. Definitely some good shit. The ads were sort of misleading for this episode. What answers did we get? I know they say every week "the time for answers is over", but this week's had a much bigger emphasis on the fact that there would be answers. Doesn't really matter at all to my enjoyment of the show, I just think it's stupid to say that every ep.

[junior94]

I enjoyed that episode. Definitely some good shit. The ads were sort of misleading for this episode. What answers did we get? I know they say every week "the time for answers is over", but this week's had a much bigger emphasis on the fact that there would be answers. Doesn't really matter at all to my enjoyment of the show, I just think it's stupid to say that every ep.

Well I was having that conversation with someone else, I could be wrong of course, but I think when they do that "answers will be revealed" I think they're just meaning for season 6 as a whole, not about anything particular in this episode.


Though it does remind me, I remember when after the new year they were coming back from the mini-break on season 3 after the first block, and episode 7 would be airing soon, and they made such a big deal of "Two of Lost's biggest mysteries ever will be revealed!!"
And to what were they referring? The origin of Jack's tats, and also what happened to the children. :lol Which, as to the children, we'd known since season 2 they were taken by the Others, so did we actually need to physically SEE them walking around with Cindy for that to be considered further answered? I'd felt like we had the answer already.

[twistedmind1586]

Okay yea. Well, and what further confused me is that Sayid didn't look alarmed when Flocke said hello to him. Ya know as in like "Shit, it's already too late!!" Sayid proceeded to stab him like it was all exactly how he'd planned it to be.

I mean obviously we could see by the end, that whole thing was about Dogen trying a sly way to get Sayid killed, he knew he didn't have a chance of killing Flocke. It's funny when they went to break, I said to my mom "well Sayid's dead". Because my mind immediately went to the thought of, as it's apparently been portrayed, once someone attempts to attack Flocke, he now has the "right" to kill them. Exactly why Richard screamed at everyone not to shoot at Flocke when he exited the statue.

That's an interesting take, I just assumed he couldn't kill candidates. Specifically, these last few ones (Jack, Sawyer, Kate, Sayid, Hurley, and the Kwans).

Also not sure what I think of Jin being kept hostage by Keamy. Don't think I'm gonna like that story line.

[AndySlash]

while not initially, i ended up taking the "if you let him speak..." line as to mean that, once he started speaking, sayid would be convinced to do whatever it was smokey would ask of him... a "hey, this guy has extreme powers of persuasion" type thing. if he's evil incarnate, he just offered sayid a delicious looking apple.

[AndySlash]

i accidentally hit reply... oops

dogen sent sayid to be killed, not to kill smokey. we've obviously seen that he can't be shot, so what good was stabbing him gonna do? dogen knew that if sayid stabbed him, smokey would probably kill him. but i think dogen knew that he might not, hence the line. i'm betting dogen took a gamble and lost.

[junior94]

That's an interesting take, I just assumed he couldn't kill candidates. Specifically, these last few ones (Jack, Sawyer, Kate, Sayid, Hurley, and the Kwans).

Well and think about what happened to Bram and his boys in the premiere. They entered, and Flocke talked to them peacefully, offering them the chance to go on about their way, since Jacob was dead there was no longer anyone to protect. But they fired on him, so he went all Smokey on their asses. I'm pretty sure that if they did walk away, Flocke would've let them. He only killed them because they made the choice to still be combative.

Btw, I'm feeling more and more that in the end, neither man will be revealed to be the "good" side and the "evil" side. This is Lost here after all, how many times have the writers tried to have things sorta both ways (& often succeded) that it won't be so black and white as that. That both Jacob and MiB will be shown to have both good and bad inside them, and part of the whole "some things will be left up to the audience's interpretation" the writers said about not giving everything a clear cut answer at the end of the season will be the audience deciding which of the two was really the "better person", if you will.


EDIT: and where the hell's Sawyer?? :ugh

[junior94]

And is it me or is Naveen Andrews' natural British accent coming thru MUCH more in Sayid's character than it ever has before? I mean I know there's already a bit of a British element in Sayid's Iraqi tongue, but it's more than that.

[Rodey]

This show is so crazy, that's why I love it. Good episode tonight, really didn't explain much, but it was better than most of the recent episodes.

I'm still extremely pissed at the lack of Desmond this season so far though.

[twistedmind1586]

Well and think about what happened to Bram and his boys in the premiere. They entered, and Flocke talked to them peacefully, offering them the chance to go on about their way, since Jacob was dead there was no longer anyone to protect. But they fired on him, so he went all Smokey on their asses. I'm pretty sure that if they did walk away, Flocke would've let them. He only killed them because they made the choice to still be combative.

Btw, I'm feeling more and more that in the end, neither man will be revealed to be the "good" side and the "evil" side. This is Lost here after all, how many times have the writers tried to have things sorta both ways (& often succeded) that it won't be so black and white as that. That both Jacob and MiB will be shown to have both good and bad inside them, and part of the whole "some things will be left up to the audience's interpretation" the writers said about not giving everything a clear cut answer at the end of the season will be the audience deciding which of the two was really the "better person", if you will.


EDIT: and where the hell's Sawyer?? :ugh

I was also wondering why we didn't see Sawyer in Locke's big pack. I'm thinkin Locke sent him on a mission. Also, you're probably right about the good/bad thing, but I will be kind of upset if it's like that. I'm all for them leaving some stuff up to us, but that is the biggest question of the season, and series, by far. I tend to think Jacob is still good though, as he has not directly killed anyone, and lets people make their own choices.

[gocubsgo3822]

where is desmond and widmore?

[junior94]

Also interesting to learn that Dogen is pretty much a regular human being it would seem, having a "normal" life back in the real world prior to this. Though very curious that MiB's ability to physically enter the temple boundaries hinged Dogen still being alive or not, wonder what's up with that.

[41ravens]

wow. that ending was insane. i'm thinking stuff is going to start picking up some steam now.

my burning question for the evening, and maybe the answer is simple and i just forgot, but how does miles know who claire is?

[JacobLovesYou]

where is desmond and widmore?

my personal theory is that widmore is the one that jacob is talking about as "he's on his way to the island" and that widmore kidnapped desmond and is sailing to the island and needed des in order to recreate desmond's crash much like how the oceanic 6 had to recreate 815 with the ajira flight in order to find the island/get back.

[gocubsgo3822]

wow. that ending was insane. i'm thinking stuff is going to start picking up some steam now.

my burning question for the evening, and maybe the answer is simple and i just forgot, but how does miles know who claire is?

when did claire dissapear again? also he might have seen her in the jungle.. or jus from talking to the other survivors...

btw it is a ben episode i believe next week.. :thumbsup hopefully we will find out about widmore and shit

[gocubsgo3822]

my personal theory is that widmore is the one that jacob is talking about as "he's on his way to the island" and that widmore kidnapped desmond and is sailing to the island and needed des in order to recreate desmond's crash much like how the oceanic 6 had to recreate 815 with the ajira flight in order to find the island/get back.

i support this belief...

on another note does anyone else think the sideways world might be the world that they live in if the follow flocke? and get what they want?

[twistedmind1586]

wow. that ending was insane. i'm thinking stuff is going to start picking up some steam now.

my burning question for the evening, and maybe the answer is simple and i just forgot, but how does miles know who claire is?

Him and his crew came to the island while Claire was still with them. He was also there when Claire got up and wandered off. Sawyer put a "restraining order" on Miles to Claire because he kept looking at her funny after Other-land blew up. When Sawyer asked why he didn't stop Claire from leaving, he said "restraining order" all sarcastic and shit.

[twistedmind1586]

Also interesting to learn that Dogen is pretty much a regular human being it would seem, having a "normal" life back in the real world prior to this. Though very curious that MiB's ability to physically enter the temple boundaries hinged Dogen still being alive or not, wonder what's up with that.

Sayid was obviously given instructions on when to kill Dogen, it struck me as odd how he seemed very in control up to the point of throwing Dogen in the pool. After that he was almost trancelike. Same with Claire, sometimes it seems like she's possessed, but then there are times it's like watching old Claire.

[41ravens]

Him and his crew came to the island while Claire was still with them. He was also there when Claire got up and wandered off. Sawyer put a "restraining order" on Miles to Claire because he kept looking at her funny after Other-land blew up. When Sawyer asked why he didn't stop Claire from leaving, he said "restraining order" all sarcastic and shit.

ok. i thought she had wandered off well before they got there, but i couldn't remember for sure. thanks. i enjoyed the "she's still hot, though" line.

[jkrue22]

my personal theory is that widmore is the one that jacob is talking about as "he's on his way to the island" and that widmore kidnapped desmond and is sailing to the island and needed des in order to recreate desmond's crash much like how the oceanic 6 had to recreate 815 with the ajira flight in order to find the island/get back.

I support this theory. :thumbsup

Also in the Sideways Reality, could Keamy have still been working for... Widmore Industries? :) I wouldn't be surprised if Jin was bringing a watch to Widmore (since Paik and Widmore are business partners), and this will bring Widmore into the action next week.

[jkrue22]

It seems like Sayid is the first survivor whose Sideways Reality is actually just as bad or even worse than ever before. He's not with the woman he loves (unlike Locke) and he still makes the decision to kill (just as he does on the Island). If the show is about choice, Sayid is still making the wrong ones, as reflected in both realities.

[jkrue22]

One more thought: Could Shannon be making a reappearance? Sayid made a deal with Flocke to bring back "the only thing he loved, who died in his arms." Well that's actually happened twice to Sayid, and even though he meant Nadia, Flocke has a body buried right there on the Island ready to be resurrected: Shannon.

[junior94]

One more thought: Could Shannon be making a reappearance? Sayid made a deal with Flocke to bring back "the only thing he loved, who died in his arms." Well that's actually happened twice to Sayid, and even though he meant Nadia, Flocke has a body buried right there on the Island ready to be resurrected: Shannon.

D&C already said it publicly like 2 weeks ago that Maggie Grace would be returning, but it won't be for at least several more episodes as the contracts only just got signed. Actually I'm fairly certain they'd wanted to have her back for the premiere and have her with Boone on the plane but they couldn't work with her schedule or something.

[ant_marching41]

Well and think about what happened to Bram and his boys in the premiere. They entered, and Flocke talked to them peacefully, offering them the chance to go on about their way, since Jacob was dead there was no longer anyone to protect. But they fired on him, so he went all Smokey on their asses. I'm pretty sure that if they did walk away, Flocke would've let them. He only killed them because they made the choice to still be combative.

Btw, I'm feeling more and more that in the end, neither man will be revealed to be the "good" side and the "evil" side. This is Lost here after all, how many times have the writers tried to have things sorta both ways (& often succeded) that it won't be so black and white as that. That both Jacob and MiB will be shown to have both good and bad inside them, and part of the whole "some things will be left up to the audience's interpretation" the writers said about not giving everything a clear cut answer at the end of the season will be the audience deciding which of the two was really the "better person", if you will.


EDIT: and where the hell's Sawyer?? :ugh
Team Jacob FTW.

[jkrue22]

Team Jacob FTW.

Team Smokey took a hit tonight, but I'm sticking with the fLocke man!!

[twistedmind1586]

Btw, I'm feeling more and more that in the end, neither man will be revealed to be the "good" side and the "evil" side. This is Lost here after all, how many times have the writers tried to have things sorta both ways (& often succeded) that it won't be so black and white as that. That both Jacob and MiB will be shown to have both good and bad inside them, and part of the whole "some things will be left up to the audience's interpretation" the writers said about not giving everything a clear cut answer at the end of the season will be the audience deciding which of the two was really the "better person", if you will.

Now that I think about it, I think you're right about them letting the audience decides. The castaways are trying to reverse their timeline and start over. MIB just wants off the island, and will screw anyone to get that. Jacob seems to have his own plan, and I don't think that involves helping the Losties reverse their past.

Basically, I don't think the ending will necessarily help either MIB or Jacob. I mean, the Losties have to succeed, right?

God this is so :BANG:BANG:BANG:BANG:BANG:BANG

[TwoStep2888]

i support this belief...

on another note does anyone else think the sideways world might be the world that they live in if the follow flocke? and get what they want?

I don't think so, personally, but that is an interesting perspective.

[twistedmind1586]

Anyone else think that Jacob isn't really dead? I find it hard to believe that he can get killed so easily while MIB is invincible. Plus there was no body in the fire pit. And he is still showing up whenever he wants. I don't necessarily think he was ever alive either. He's never really been human, same with MIB.

[jojo04]

I still want to know about Radzinski and the whole dharma thing. I mean if the hatch was still blown up, did he still kill himself? I have been wondering that for some time now.

[Beebz]

That's an interesting take, I just assumed he couldn't kill candidates. Specifically, these last few ones (Jack, Sawyer, Kate, Sayid, Hurley, and the Kwans).

Also not sure what I think of Jin being kept hostage by Keamy. Don't think I'm gonna like that story line.

That's why what Dogen said didnt make any sense. Flocke cant harm candidates. Dogen would certainly have known that. Its either a serious writing fail or something else was afoot.

i support this belief...

on another note does anyone else think the sideways world might be the world that they live in if the follow flocke? and get what they want?

That's what I was getting at when I said we know where the flash sideways are going. It appears as though Flocke and Jacob have the power to essentially grant wishes, although they come with contingencies. Dogen's son could live but he'd never be allowed to see him again. Nadia would be alive but married to Sayid's brother. Kate gets off the island but is still a fugitive. Jack has a family but they're sort of estranged. Locke still cant walk.

I think no matter what side the castaways choose, the wish power essentially stays the same. I think someone, most likely Desmond, will adopt the Dogen role, staying on the island to save the life of someone he loves (Penny) and the other castaways will be allowed to live out alternate lives, with only fleeting, dreamlike memories of some other life.

Still think Desmond is the key to everything. He's the final candidate. He's the one who will stay behind to save the island. He's the one on his way.

Team Smokey took a hit tonight, but I'm sticking with the fLocke man!!

For anyone who still thinks Flocke is the good guy and Jacob is bad, there's no longer any doubt. Too many facts to ignore. I dont think either character is black and white, but Flocke is clearly the worse of the two.

[Beebz]

Here's that link for the episode rankings that I couldn't find last week:

http://spoilerslost.blogspot.com/2010/01/lost-season-6-episode-scorecard.html#axzz0h7LMteXV

Looks like next week's is a good one, which is then predictably followed by a bad one, then the great one (Ab Aeterno)

[Beebz]

Here's another question I'm surprised hasnt come up: How come Ben could stab and kill Jacob, yet when Sayid stabbed Flocke, nothing happened?

[Beebz]

Youre gonna wanna read this:


1) Episode 6x15 Across the Sea - No series regulars will appear (Confirms what many might of suspected based on the filming for Year 23 with MiB and Jacob)


:eek:eek:eek

[junior94]

[quote=bbianca1982 Youre gonna wanna read this: /quote]


Hang on...


"based on the filming for Year 23 with Mib and Jacob" -- what on earth are you talking about?? :ugh Year 23??

And I have serious trouble believing this (while mind you I have no major spoilers about the rest of the season, maybe you do, and if so I'd appreciate if you could still not divulge them even in these tags to me here) that for the entire 2 hour SERIES FINALE, we're not going to see the Losties at all

[Beebz]

That episode is not the season finale. Its the penultimate episode.

As for the rest:



Year 23 (I think) gives us the origins of Jacob and MiB, how they came to the island, who they are, and why they brought the Losties there. The Losties will all be featured as youngsters. Again, this is what I think. I dont read plot spoilers that give away details about what specifically happens in a particular eip, but I will read about the general direction of the series.

[Alligator]

Jesus Christ! Talk about commercials. 6 mintues of Lost, 5 minute commericial.

[Beebz]

jesus christ! Talk about commercials. 6 mintues of lost, 5 minute commericial.

dvr ftw

[joepsu0985]

I was kind of disappointed in last night's show. It seems they keep setting us up for something big, and nothing ever happens. I'm not starting to lose interest or anything, but it seems we are getting more filler episodes.

[MacGuyver]

I can't imagine NOT watching this show with my PVR. Way too many commercials. Its worth the 40 minute wait of letting the show run.

[Beebz]

I was kind of disappointed in last night's show. It seems they keep setting us up for something big, and nothing ever happens. I'm not starting to lose interest or anything, but it seems we are getting more filler episodes.

It was the best of the three "filler episodes" so far.

My main concern is that the writers bit off far more than they can chew. They've created such a large, mythology-heavy story that we fans think every single small thing is part of some larger puzzle. If that doesnt connect--if everything does fit or is explained--many fans are going to be up in arms. We hear "Trust us" over and over again from the creators. OK, we've trusted you for seven years. There are 11 episodes left and a whole hell of a lot to explain. Let's get to it.

Also, Recon reeks of a filler episode.

[dh4645]

I can't imagine NOT watching this show with my PVR. Way too many commercials. Its worth the 40 minute wait of letting the show run.

or just wait like 20 minutes and catch up to live time near the end of the ep. thats what i usually do to ffwd thru the 20 min of commercials

[joepsu0985]

It was the best of the three "filler episodes" so far.

My main concern is that the writers bit off far more than they can chew. They've created such a large, mythology-heavy story that we fans think every single small thing is part of some larger puzzle. If that doesnt connect--if everything does fit or is explained--many fans are going to be up in arms. We hear "Trust us" over and over again from the creators. OK, we've trusted you for seven years. There are 11 episodes left and a whole hell of a lot to explain. Let's get to it.

Also, Recon reeks of a filler episode.

I'm hoping the last 8 episodes are just for throttle. I wouldn't mind these earlier episodes. It just seems that the show is running out of episodes.

[Joruus]

And is it me or is Naveen Andrews' natural British accent coming thru MUCH more in Sayid's character than it ever has before? I mean I know there's already a bit of a British element in Sayid's Iraqi tongue, but it's more than that.

I've noticed it too and it's starting to bug me. But it seems to me that it's occurring a whole lot more during the current timeline and not the flash-sideways. It's almost like him being possessed has caused him to gain a British accent.

[Beebz]

I'm hoping the last 8 episodes are just for throttle. I wouldn't mind these earlier episodes. It just seems that the show is running out of episodes.

It is. There are 10 left before the series finale. There's a lot of ground to cover between then and now. Knowing that, I dont understand why we get eps like What Kate Does.

[Beebz]

Season 6, Episode 6: "Sundown"

What I liked about "Sundown":

-- The acting of Naveen Andrews. Did creepy very well in the last third of the show. I don't know that his transformation was entirely believable from a character standpoint (more on that later) but Andrews really sold it well.

-- A Keamy sighting (although the opening credits and the fact that Sayid's brother was involved with gangsters really gave away the surprise.

-- Jin in the freezer. Didn't see that coming.

-- Sayid killing Dogen and Lennon. Didn't see that coming.

-- The scene in the jungle with Flocke and Sayid. Loved how Sayid just instantly sized up the threat and acted, stabbing Flocke.

-- Dogen's backstory.

-- Smokey just wrecking shit.

-- A Lapidus sighting.

What I didnt like about "Sundown:"

-- The total disappearance of Jin and Sawyer. They were right with Smokey, now they've just vanished?

-- Yet another contrivance to prevent Jin and Sun from having a reunion. "Oh, you just missed him." Come on....

-- Sayid's character arc. Look, Im willing to believe that some portions of the Flocke/Sayid conversation were omitted from this episode. Fine. If so, then maybe Sayid going from relatively calm guy to psycho killer makes more sense. But that was a light-switch snap that really doesnt fit with the character right now. That needs an explanation.

Things that dont quite fit:

-- There better be more to the idea that Dogen sent Sayid out to stab Flocke so Flocke would kill Sayid. He HAD to know that wouldnt work and HAD to know that Flocke cant kill a candidate. Im betting it was Smokey, not Jacob, who made that deal with Dogen for his son.

-- Kate just tagging along for the ride. Really? A smoke monster in the form of John Locke just killed dozens of people, so you walk outside and join the group? Makes no sense. Flocke didnt look happy about it, either.

-- Why was Dogen the one keeping Smokey out and not the ash? And what did Smokey tell Sayid in order for him to get him to kill Dogen?

Overall Grade: B+

Season 6 Grades so far:

LA X: B
What Kate Does: D-
The Substitute: A
Lighthouse: B
Sundown: B+

[Beebz]

Year 23:



Anyway, I went out on Thursday morning around 10am to Police Beach on a referral from Ryan. When I arrived there, they had a yellow caution tape put up about 100 yards from the survivors camp, but since there wasn't anyone around, I went ahead and walked over to the survivor camp anyway. A security guard came down and met me and I told him I was just a LOST fan and wanted to see the camp if that was ok, he said that was fine for a few minutes because they hadn't started filming yet. He told me it was top secret, but that the reason why they had the tape so far back was because they wanted the beach clear of all footprints because they were filming a scene from 23 AD (his exact words, so I know it was a year). I asked if there were any major characters up there and he said no, they were all child actors that were playing some of the characters we know today. So, he pointed out the characters tents to me there at the camp (Jack's was mysteriously broken down like someone had purposely demolished it) and I went back behind the first line of tape and set up my own camp. :) -- I have a canon camera with a 40x zoom so I was able to get some good pics of what was going on. It wasn't so close that I could tell who the folks were, but, it was clearly a person all in white and another person wearing black pants, white shirt and a black vest (from the back he looked like he was all in black). It appeared they were shooting a scene looking at the back of these characters sitting on a log looking out into the ocean possibly talking (although I never saw a boom mic over near them). After an hour or so, they moved the log up off the shore some and repositioned the cameras and track. They then had the person in black (I dont' know if the person in white left or if I just couldn't see them around all the crew folks) sitting on the log, and another person wearing a long yellow tunic over red pants/shirt came walking down from the jungle to the log and sitting next to the person in black. To me, it looked like the person in yellow was an adult whereas the person in black was most definitely a kid. I sat and watched them for nearly 3 hours total and they were setting up another scene when my camera batteries went dead, so I left. :( --

[41ravens]

so emilie was on fallon last night, and she looked amazing. and that accent is ridiculously hot. not much lost-related, though, as she was mainly plugging her new movie. fallon did try to ask her if she was a candidate, but she wouldn't say. and he made fun of her "squirrel baby", which is what he calls whatever was in that crib at claire's crazy-camp.

[Beebz]

I agree with every word of this. Ive always felt that the FS are the way to wrap up the show without a seventh, off-island season.

I still feel Cuse and Lindelof made a tactical error in giving us the sliding doors timeline without telling us in advance what it is, because until we do, they have all the weight and meaning of a dream sequence. But the more we see of them, the stronger my feeling grows that we're seeing the series' epilogue in advance. It may not turn out this way, but at the moment it seems the flash-sideways are where the castaways wind up after the war with Smokey ends, as some kind of reward from one of the celestial powers going to war over the island, be it Jacob or Smokey. Smokey does seem awfully confident in the prospect of letting Sayid see Nadia again, after all.

[41ravens]

I agree with every word of this. Ive always felt that the FS are the way to wrap up the show without a seventh, off-island season.

I still feel Cuse and Lindelof made a tactical error in giving us the sliding doors timeline without telling us in advance what it is, because until we do, they have all the weight and meaning of a dream sequence. But the more we see of them, the stronger my feeling grows that we're seeing the series' epilogue in advance. It may not turn out this way, but at the moment it seems the flash-sideways are where the castaways wind up after the war with Smokey ends, as some kind of reward from one of the celestial powers going to war over the island, be it Jacob or Smokey. Smokey does seem awfully confident in the prospect of letting Sayid see Nadia again, after all.

i kind of have this feeling as well. i hope it's not true, but it's the only way to make any sense of the flash-sideways right now.

[breckbrew]

Season 6, Episode 6: "Sundown"

What I liked about "Sundown":

1) -- A Keamy sighting (although the opening credits and the fact that Sayid's brother was involved with gangsters really gave away the surprise.


What I didnt like about "Sundown:"

2) -- The total disappearance of Jin and Sawyer. They were right with Smokey, now they've just vanished?


3) -- Sayid's character arc. Look, Im willing to believe that some portions of the Flocke/Sayid conversation were omitted from this episode. Fine. If so, then maybe Sayid going from relatively calm guy to psycho killer makes more sense. But that was a light-switch snap that really doesnt fit with the character right now. That needs an explanation.



Things that dont quite fit:

4) -- There better be more to the idea that Dogen sent Sayid out to stab Flocke so Flocke would kill Sayid. He HAD to know that wouldnt work and HAD to know that Flocke cant kill a candidate. Im betting it was Smokey, not Jacob, who made that deal with Dogen for his son.



5) -- Kate just tagging along for the ride. Really? A smoke monster in the form of John Locke just killed dozens of people, so you walk outside and join the group? Makes no sense. Flocke didnt look happy about it, either.


6)-- Why was Dogen the one keeping Smokey out and not the ash? And what did Smokey tell Sayid in order for him to get him to kill Dogen?




1. Oh my god, they killed Keamy! Great to see him back, but he is creepy as shit.

2. I was wondering this too. I didn't think too much of it after the last episode when people noticed sawyer wasn't with FLocke and Claire. Maybe they made their pact with Smokey and he gave them what they wanted? Maybe they're not on the island anymore?

3. So Flocke can't kill a candidate and apparently Doggen can't do it either, weird. I attribute Sayid's conversion to the "disease," some time has passed since Sayid came back to life and we now Doggen was pretty intent on killing him as quickly as possible, maybe the "disease" has finally taken hold and/or was complete when Sayid met Flocke.

4. Did Doggen say it was Jacob or Smokey that made him the deal - it sounded like Doggen was implying Smokey made the deal because he said something along the lines of "he's persausive isn't he" or "what deal did he give you?"

5. Yeah, Flocke looked pissed. That was great. Though Kate doesn't know smokey is Flocke, right?

6. That's a good question, why the ash if it didn't really work? Based on Dogen's back story, it seemed like he was just an ordinary guy before he came to the island, what was so special about him that caused him to keep Smokey out? The same thing that helped Jacob keep Smokey out of the cabin?

[Beebz]

1. Oh my god, they killed Keamy! Great to see him back, but he is creepy as shit.

2. I was wondering this too. I didn't think too much of it after the last episode when people noticed sawyer wasn't with FLocke and Claire. Maybe they made their pact with Smokey and he gave them what they wanted? Maybe they're not on the island anymore?

3. So Flocke can't kill a candidate and apparently Doggen can't do it either, weird. I attribute Sayid's conversion to the "disease," some time has passed since Sayid came back to life and we now Doggen was pretty intent on killing him as quickly as possible, maybe the "disease" has finally taken hold and/or was complete when Sayid met Flocke.

4. Did Doggen say it was Jacob or Smokey that made him the deal - it sounded like Doggen was implying Smokey made the deal because he said something along the lines of "he's persausive isn't he" or "what deal did he give you?"

5. Yeah, Flocke looked pissed. That was great. Though Kate doesn't know smokey is Flocke, right?

6. That's a good question, why the ash if it didn't really work? Based on Dogen's back story, it seemed like he was just an ordinary guy before he came to the island, what was so special about him that caused him to keep Smokey out? The same thing that helped Jacob keep Smokey out of the cabin?

1. Yeah, the actor who plays Keamy is wonderfully crazy.

2. There's no way they're off the island.

3. That disease really isnt defined at all yet. Yes, that could be it, but what does it mean? Polluted by Smokey?

4. Dogen said Jacob came to him with the deal. I think he's lying.

5. No, I dont think she does.

6. All questions that need to be answered.

[RJP2741]

What I liked:

- Everything about the last 5 minutes. It was awesome.
- Keamy's return, I thought he was great.
- This was good filler. It was definitely a set up episode, really beginning to align 2 sides, but it was done in a much better way and we got some progress in both story lines.
- I can't get enough of Creepy Claire.

What I didn't like:
- No Jack, Sawyer, or Ben
- Dogen being killed so early on after he was introduced.
- The promos for this episode seemed to promise answers in this episode specifically, and we really didn't get any.
- Pacing, while this was great for a filler episode, it was still a filler episode.

What I'm not sure about / other thoughts:
- Why was Dogen the only thing keeping Flocke out of the temple?
- Who's good and bad at this point or if there is such a thing. We really saw two sides emerge last night and knowing LOST I can't imagine it will be a clear cut black vs. white delineation.
- Flocke definitely didn't expect or want Kate there, what role will she play?
- Last night was the first time that the Sideways story played out exactly like it does on the island. All the other characters we've seen in L.A. have undergone some sort of redemption, or have put their pasts behind them. Sayid was the first who was unable to escape his past life and island self, he is still a killer. Still not sure exactly what this means, but I think it will be important.
- Last night was the first time they broke pattern from Season 1. Season 1 started out: Multi, Kate, Locke, Jack, Sun/Jin. Season 6 followed the same path until last night which was a Sayid ep.

Overall I thought it was a pretty good episode, it built on itself throughout and the last 5-10 minutes were great. Also, I can't imagine they would give something that important away in the promo for next week, and if they did I will be outraged.

Edit: 1 more thing I'm not sure of, what was up with Dogen's baseball? It actually seemed important, like it had some power over him. Not sure if we'll get an answer now that he's dead, but there was something strange about it.

And 1 more thing I liked, the fight scene with Dogen and Sayid. That was badass.

[uro55]

What I liked:
Edit: 1 more thing I'm not sure of, what was up with Dogen's baseball? It actually seemed important, like it had some power over him. Not sure if we'll get an answer now that he's dead, but there was something strange about it.
.

Ya, I was wondering the same thing. It seemed as thought they were trying very hard to make a point of it's importance.

Also the whole scene with Sayid and Keamy and his men. All I could think is "Don't you know who you're fucking with???? We tourtured people for a living!" And then we he fucked them all up/killed them I actually yelled something like "That's right!" lol.

[uro55]

Wait, the baseball was Dogan's kid's baseball!

[RJP2741]

Wait, the baseball was Dogan's kid's baseball!

I thought about that, but there was never any connection made to it. I suppose it could be inferred from the story he told. It just seemed like it had some power over him, especially at the end of the Sayid fight.

[heygoat49]

Jensen's article is up

http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20313460_20348187,00.html

[uro55]

I thought about that, but there was never any connection made to it. I suppose it could be inferred from the story he told. It just seemed like it had some power over him, especially at the end of the Sayid fight.

I think that's all it was, the conection to his son and his past. About what he gave up to save his son/and come to the island.

[Beebz]

http://darkufo.blogspot.com/2010/03/episode-606-sundown-ratings.html

I always like looking at the ratings. If you notice, they almost always go up from 9 to 9:30. Why? Because people DVR the show and start watching right around 9:30.

[uro55]

http://darkufo.blogspot.com/2010/03/episode-606-sundown-ratings.html

I always like looking at the ratings. If you notice, they almost always go up from 9 to 9:30. Why? Because people DVR the show and start watching right around 9:30.

HA! That's funny, that's exactly what I do!

[breckbrew]

I think that's all it was, the conection to his son and his past. About what he gave up to save his son/and come to the island.

Yeah, I don't think it was anymore than that.

[uro55]

Yeah, I don't think it was anymore than that.

I'd be willing to bet that's all it was.

P.S. Is your avatar a Yuengling sign?

[hulupputree]

-- Kate just tagging along for the ride. Really? A smoke monster in the form of John Locke just killed dozens of people, so you walk outside and join the group? Makes no sense. Flocke didnt look happy about it, either.



I think she was following Claire with the Flocke because her currect mission is to reunite Claire and Aaron (or so it would seem), and Flocke's promising an escape from the island. Either way, Claire's going with him. She seemed clearly confused, though.

Flocke didn't seem happy about it because she could be the kink in his plan. She's a wild card. I think the cave might actually belong to MiB and there's a reason her name wasn't seen on the wall.

Go Kate!

[jkrue22]

-The baseball connection was pretty clear to me from that story... it reminded him of his mistake that killed his son (similar to Donner's baseball in Defying Gravity, if anyone knows what I'm talking about). I also like the idea that Jacob's ghost (angel?) pushed the ball off the table, reminding Dogen of the rules (can't kill candidates) before he killed Sayid.

-Regarding Dogen's protection of the Temple, this could have a relation to chess. Allusions can be made to any number of games, but a chess match between the dark and light sides seems the most obvious. If Flocke was to attack Jacob's Temple and all of his pawns (Others), he first had to take out its protector (Queen=Dogen). Just a possibility, but I too am curious about the ash!

-I really think the cave was Flocke's and he was lying about everything with Sawyer. The dark cave fits better with Flocke's character, while Jacob has his corresponding "lighthouse" (and foot fortress). :)

[breckbrew]

I'd be willing to bet that's all it was.

P.S. Is your avatar a Yuengling sign?

Winner winner chicken dinner :D

[Beebz]

I think she was following Claire with the Flocke because her currect mission is to reunite Claire and Aaron (or so it would seem), and Flocke's promising an escape from the island. Either way, Claire's going with him. She seemed clearly confused, though.

Flocke didn't seem happy about it because she could be the kink in his plan. She's a wild card. I think the cave might actually belong to MiB and there's a reason her name wasn't seen on the wall.

Go Kate!

Kate = teh worzt

-I really think the cave was Flocke's and he was lying about everything with Sawyer. The dark cave fits better with Flocke's character, while Jacob has his corresponding "lighthouse" (and foot fortress). :)

Yeah, I think Smokey is full of shit across the board. I cant for a second understand how people think he's anything close to a good guy. Can you understand where he's coming from? Maybe. But you kinda get what the devil was getting at, too. Flocke is without question the antagonist on the show.

[RJP2741]

I agree with every word of this. Ive always felt that the FS are the way to wrap up the show without a seventh, off-island season.

I still feel Cuse and Lindelof made a tactical error in giving us the sliding doors timeline without telling us in advance what it is, because until we do, they have all the weight and meaning of a dream sequence. But the more we see of them, the stronger my feeling grows that we're seeing the series' epilogue in advance. It may not turn out this way, but at the moment it seems the flash-sideways are where the castaways wind up after the war with Smokey ends, as some kind of reward from one of the celestial powers going to war over the island, be it Jacob or Smokey. Smokey does seem awfully confident in the prospect of letting Sayid see Nadia again, after all.

The reason I don't buy this is that so much of their past lives is different in the flash sideways as well. They are essentially new characters in the flash-sideways, making it an epilogue for characters we haven't followed for 6 seasons. I have to believe that Darlton are smarter than to do that.

[uro55]

Winner winner chicken dinner :D

Not to hijack the Lost thread lol, but man I'd KILL for some of that. I always look forward to going to the east coast area to have some. Wish we could get it in MN!

[RJP2741]

Kate = teh worzt



Yeah, I think Smokey is full of shit across the board. I cant for a second understand how people think he's anything close to a good guy. Can you understand where he's coming from? Maybe. But you kinda get what the devil was getting at, too. Flocke is without question the antagonist on the show.

Completely agree. Pulling the rug out from under us and making Flocke the good guy at this point would be a plot twist for the sake of plot twists. It wouldn't make any real sense. While there is certainly ambiguity, the show has never laid anything out in black and white. It's all shades of grey, but Flocke is definitely a dark grey.

[Beebz]

Kinda agree with this, too:

The TV critic community was pretty divided about the quality of last week’s episode “Lighthouse” and about the direction this sixth season has been headed in general. I was moved and amused by “Lighthouse” and I’ve been enjoying the heck out of S6 so far, but a lot of writers I respect—including Alan Sepinwall (http://sepinwall.blogspot.com/2010/02/lost-lighthouse-classical-composition.html), Maureen Ryan (http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune.com/entertainment_tv/2010/02/lost-abc-reaction.html), Daniel Fienberg (http://www.hitfix.com/blogs/2008-12-6-the-fien-print/posts/lost-brings-spoilers-and-mystery-to-the-paley-festival) and James Poniewozik (http://%20http//tunedin.blogs.time.com/2010/02/24/lost-discussion-group-whats-the-objective/#ixzz0gzepMFM5)—aren’t fully on board, and have leveled complaints about this year’s Lost ranging from a lack of emotional engagement with the “flash-sideways” to irritation that the on-island story has followed the nobody-asks-questions/walking-from-here-to-there-to-here-again patterns that the show usually employs when it’s stalling.

The walking back and forth crap is irritating as shit. Its the last season. Every episode should be a solid, A-/B+, punctuated by the occasional A+. They are running out of time to deliver the goods here. I really dont want to be this guy, but its time to get on with it.

[GinaNMU]

You see how Flocke looked at Kate? She wasn't supposed to be there. That wasn't in his plan.

I know I'm a minority, but I'm really interested/intrigued by Kate right now. She doesn't seem to really have a place. Obviously she wasn't on the cave wall, probably meaning that she isn't exactly considered a candidate by MIB, right? Yet she IS written on the wheel of the lighthouse. And when she ducked into Claire's hole, Smokey went right past her. Technically, if she's a candidate, MIB can't kill her, right? (Do coreect me if I'm wrong b/c I'm just theorizing here, haha). She's sort of off on her own and doesn't seem to have a specific place or meaning right now. I'm excited to see where this goes and what that look from MIB meant at the end.

[hulupputree]

Kate = teh worzt




The writers want you to think that. It will make the surprise sweeter. ;)


Edit: Gina, I'm with you.

Also: there was that deleted scene from the first season about Locke reading the Tell...he couldn't read Kate.

[Beebz]

Not to hijack the Lost thread lol, but man I'd KILL for some of that. I always look forward to going to the east coast area to have some. Wish we could get it in MN!

Drank too much of it in college. Cant stand it anymore.

The reason I don't buy this is that so much of their past lives is different in the flash sideways as well. They are essentially new characters in the flash-sideways, making it an epilogue for characters we haven't followed for 6 seasons. I have to believe that Darlton are smarter than to do that.

How different are they, really? Sayid is still a killer struggling with his past. Locke is still a handicapped man unable to accept the fact that there are things he cant do. Jack still has daddy issues. Kate is still a fugitive.

Yes, they make different choices that lead to different outcomes, but they're still pretty identical.

[breckbrew]

The writers want you to think that. It will make the surprise sweeter. ;)

I dig your avatar - just finished reading "Mostly Harmless."

[GinaNMU]

Still think Desmond is the key to everything. He's the final candidate. He's the one who will stay behind to save the island. He's the one on his way.


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Absolutely agreed. I want to say something else too but forget how to do spoilers and it's kind of a stretch :lol Just in case though. :)

[GinaNMU]

The writers want you to think that. It will make the surprise sweeter. ;)


Edit: Gina, I'm with you.

Also: there was that deleted scene from the first season about Locke reading the Tell...he couldn't read Kate.

Reading the tell? What do you mean? This is interesting...

[joepsu0985]

Absolutely agreed. I want to say something else too but forget how to do spoilers and it's kind of a stretch :lol Just in case though. :)

This isnt the 24 thread. A theory doesn't spoil anything.

I'm not sure what to think overall about this season. I'm very interested in the Flash-Sideways. Almost more so that what is going on with the island plot. Especially this episode. I just think the writers this one seemed to botch the on island story. But I think the off-island story was a bit more detailed. I mean it just seemed more carefully planned in a way which led me to ask questions. The on island story was kind of the same old thing. Not really any substance.

[RJP2741]

How different are they, really? Sayid is still a killer struggling with his past. Locke is still a handicapped man unable to accept the fact that there are things he cant do. Jack still has daddy issues. Kate is still a fugitive.

Yes, they make different choices that lead to different outcomes, but they're still pretty identical.

Yeah I kinda forgot about Kate, I guess its been a split so far. Kate and Sayid are really still the same people. But Locke although he was still in the wheeled chair, was an entirely different person. And Jack got his redemption too, making a connection with his son that he never had with his father.

I'm just holding on to hope. If the flash-sideways are really nothing more than an epilogue, I will be severely disappointed. I really don't care about these LAX characters at all if they aren't going to contribute in any way to the story we've been watching for 6 years.

[breckbrew]

Not to hijack the Lost thread lol, but man I'd KILL for some of that. I always look forward to going to the east coast area to have some. Wish we could get it in MN!

Drank too much of it in college. Cant stand it anymore.



I don't drink it nearly as often as I used to now that I've been exposed to some really good microbrews, but it's still my "always have in the fridge" beer. Yuengling exploded the past few years and really increased their distribution, but I think they've said they are done expanding, so it could be awhile till MN gets it.

[Beebz]

Absolutely agreed. I want to say something else too but forget how to do spoilers and it's kind of a stretch :lol Just in case though. :)


you do spoiler and then /spoiler. All you have to do is add the tags [ ]

[Beebz]

Yeah I kinda forgot about Kate, I guess its been a split so far. Kate and Sayid are really still the same people. But Locke although he was still in the wheeled chair, was an entirely different person. And Jack got his redemption too, making a connection with his son that he never had with his father.

I'm just holding on to hope. If the flash-sideways are really nothing more than an epilogue, I will be severely disappointed. I really don't care about these LAX characters at all if they aren't going to contribute in any way to the story we've been watching for 6 years.

I dont think they are anything more. Whatever happens on that island is gonna result in those characters living the lives we've been watching all year. Its the only way they could have wrapped up the story in one season. Hell, the writers even said they wanted to do one or the other and then just decided to combine them.

[GinaNMU]

This isnt the 24 thread. A theory doesn't spoil anything.

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Well ya know, when I end up being right I don't want to spoil it for everyone else. ;) :lol

[dre2142]

i have no idea whats going on. lol

[CrashTheStone41]

LOST is getting to be annoying. If I didn't watch every episode before this season I wouldn't watch anymore. It seems like nothign is happening, no answers to questions, and very little progression in the storyline. Dangit

[hulupputree]

Reading the tell? What do you mean? This is interesting...

I looked around, since I don't think I've actually seen this deleted scene. Here's another explanation from a poster at the Fuselage.


"Locke was talking to Walt about "reading" people, whether they're honest or lying, confident or insecure, etc.

He couldn't "read" Kate."

[RJP2741]

LOST is getting to be annoying. If I didn't watch every episode before this season I wouldn't watch anymore. It seems like nothign is happening, no answers to questions, and very little progression in the storyline. Dangit

Its one of those things where if it was being advertised differently, I wouldn't care as much. The whole "The time for answers is now" campaign should be changed to "The time for answers is in 6 episodes...we think...". It reminds me of The Office episode earlier this year, it was advertised as The Office is coming back and its all new tonight, and it turns out to be a clip show. The networks should just advertise the shows as what they are, not try to trick the audience.

[twistedmind1586]

Yeah I kinda forgot about Kate, I guess its been a split so far. Kate and Sayid are really still the same people. But Locke although he was still in the wheeled chair, was an entirely different person. And Jack got his redemption too, making a connection with his son that he never had with his father.

I'm just holding on to hope. If the flash-sideways are really nothing more than an epilogue, I will be severely disappointed. I really don't care about these LAX characters at all if they aren't going to contribute in any way to the story we've been watching for 6 years.

Jack an Hurley will never follow Flocke. They are both better off in the alternate. Sayid is no better off than before, and he is now with Locke. Kate is still up in the air, she is a fugitive, but they still haven't confirmed that she is guilty of her crimes; she might not be.

Right now I'm thinking the quality of their future depends on who they follow.

[breckbrew]

Anyone remember what the lady said to Claire as to why she couldn't adopt the baby?

[RJP2741]

Anyone remember what the lady said to Claire as to why she couldn't adopt the baby?

Her husband just left her.

[breckbrew]

Her husband just left her.

I thought it was something like that - not sure why, but I was trying to figure out who the husband could be. Probably not important.

[hulupputree]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRqOWyJ3GeA

Finding the Tell (deleted scene from season 1)


It's also interesting to me that the original plan was for the opening shot to be Kate's eye, and for Kate to be the main lead throughout the series (not Jack).

[javierm27]

didn't watch it, but it sure seems terrible

Second post on this thread. :lol

I can't believe there are only 10 episodes left!!

[Beebz]

Second post on this thread. :lol

I can't believe there are only 10 episodes left!!

Well, before the finale. 12 hours remain.

I see no way they can wrap everything up in that timeframe, but we'll see.

[Beebz]

Great point from the AV CLUB:

-Back in “The Life And Death Of Jeremy Bentham,” Locke was told that there’s a war coming, and that if Locke wasn’t on the island, the wrong side would win. Which makes me wonder… Which side does Widmore think is the right one? And did he know that Locke would only make it back as a dead man?

[jmkratt]

Great point from the AV CLUB:

-Back in “The Life And Death Of Jeremy Bentham,” Locke was told that there’s a war coming, and that if Locke wasn’t on the island, the wrong side would win. Which makes me wonder… Which side does Widmore think is the right one? And did he know that Locke would only make it back as a dead man?

Good call :thumbsup I had forgotten about that. I remember thinking Widmore was perhaps a good guy when it happened, now I am not so sure.

[41ravens]

i think people are setting themselves up by making this a good vs. evil thing. i'm thinking it's something else. the main thing i took away from last night's episode is that jacob isn't this "good" being as everyone is making him out to be. it sounds like he's used a lot of manipulation and, for lack of a better term, blackmailing to get people to the island for what right now seem like selfish purposes. whose to say jacob wasn't/isn't also trapped on the island and is only looking for a way out just like mib? the only difference is that they go about their business in different ways. i really liked doc jensen's alpha/omega theory from his write-up today, for those that have read it.

[hulupputree]

i think people are setting themselves up by making this a good vs. evil thing. i'm thinking it's something else. the main thing i took away from last night's episode is that jacob isn't this "good" being as everyone is making him out to be. it sounds like he's used a lot of manipulation and, for lack of a better term, blackmailing to get people to the island for what right now seem like selfish purposes. whose to say jacob wasn't/isn't also trapped on the island and is only looking for a way out just like mib? the only difference is that they go about their business in different ways. i really liked doc jensen's alpha/omega theory from his write-up today, for those that have read it.


Well, I agree with that. It's not so much good or evil, it's which way the "scale" tips within each person - because the show has tried to demonstrate that everyone has both sides to them... unless you're Hurley. :lol

[jmkratt]

Well, I agree with that. It's not so much good or evil, it's which way the "scale" tips within each person - because the show has tried to demonstrate that everyone has both sides to them... unless you're Hurley. :lol

Yeah, both Jacob and Flocke tell each person they have a decision to make, internal scales.

[Talula62]

I know I'm a minority, but I'm really interested/intrigued by Kate right now. She doesn't seem to really have a place. Obviously she wasn't on the cave wall, probably meaning that she isn't exactly considered a candidate by MIB, right? Yet she IS written on the wheel of the lighthouse. And when she ducked into Claire's hole, Smokey went right past her. Technically, if she's a candidate, MIB can't kill her, right? (Do coreect me if I'm wrong b/c I'm just theorizing here, haha). She's sort of off on her own and doesn't seem to have a specific place or meaning right now. I'm excited to see where this goes and what that look from MIB meant at the end.I'm with you, girl! I've always been annoyed with Kate's backstory but I've always thought that was a product of lazy writing for her, not because of her character. Team Kate!

And I'm not saying Flocke is good and Jacob's evil but I think Jacob is much less angelic than he truly is and that Flocke isn't all evil, but that's probably my raging Terry O'Quinn love speaking.

[clcfball11]

lol, wtf...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0O9NVCVMwo&feature=player_embedded

[Beebz]

Thank god:

Question: Since I got you some scoop, how about some Lost scoop in return? —Antonio
Ausiello: Thanks for keeping me plugged-in, Antonio. Here’s your Lost scoop: If you’re expecting the Sawyer/Kate/Jack triangle to move front and center during these final 10 episodes, it may be time to start managing those expectations. “We’re moving into the endgame of the show [and] the stakes have moved beyond, ‘Who’s Kate going to pick?’ and into, ‘Is anyone going to be left alive?,’ says executive producer Damon Lindelof. “I hope [viewers are] going to be satisfied with what we’re doing, but we’re not writing a romance novel here. I understand in seasons past how that was much more relevant. We’re not neglecting it, but there’s a lot of fish to fry. The elements of the love triangle — Kate’s relationship with Jack, her relationship with Sawyer, Sawyer’s relationship with Juliet, who’s dead — are a huge part of the season. All that stuff is in play.”

[GinaNMU]

Great point from the AV CLUB:

-Back in “The Life And Death Of Jeremy Bentham,” Locke was told that there’s a war coming, and that if Locke wasn’t on the island, the wrong side would win. Which makes me wonder… Which side does Widmore think is the right one? And did he know that Locke would only make it back as a dead man?

Totally forgot about this. Love it.

[hulupputree]

lol, wtf...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0O9NVCVMwo&feature=player_embedded


:lol:lol:lol:bounce

[41ravens]

my brother sent this to me today. this is a list of some of the questions that have yet to be answered on lost. i'm thinking it may have been compiled before this season started, seeing as how some of them have already been answered. and some of them i don't know if they really need an answer, but it's an interesting list nonetheless.


THE ISLAND
 Was Locke really healed by the island? Or was he healed by Jacob or the Man in
Black?
 Jack, Kate, Sawyer, Hurley, and Michael once saw an enormous green-colored bird
swoop out of a tree towards them, and Hurley thought that the bird said his name.
What kind of bird was this, and did it really say Hurley's name?
 Were there any permanent consequences to the island when the Swan's failsafe was
activated and the sky turned purple? Was the electromagnetic pocket of energy
beneath the island destroyed by the failsafe, or made dormant?
 What does the frozen wheel do, mechanically-speaking, to make the island move?
Does it access the electromagnetic energy pocket somehow? What's behind the wheel
that generated the bright yellow light? Why is it so cold in the underground chamber
where the island-moving wheel is housed? The wheel looks like a man-made device,
so who made it and put it there?
 Since turning the wheel beneath the Orchid station sends one to the Tunisian desert,
it stands to reason that the polar bear Charlotte found in Tunisia wearing a Dharma
Initiative collar must also have turned the wheel at some point, and that's how it
wound up there. What and when were the circumstances surrounding the polar bear
that turned the wheel and moved the island? Who was responsible for this, and why?
 Why were the Oceanic survivors, the Freighter Folk, and Juliet affected by the island's
time jumps, yet the Others were not?
 Why was Sun left behind in the present on Ajira 316, when all of the other Oceanic 6
were transported through time to the past?
 Why would the island let Ben come back after he left, but not Widmore?
 Who built the Tunnels under the island? Do the Tunnels run all over (or rather, under)
the island? What else is down there?
JACOB & THE MAN IN BLACK
 Who is Jacob, and how did he come to be on the island?
 Who is the Man in Black, aka Jacob's Nemesis?
 How did Jacob and the Man in Black come to be on the island?
 What's the nature of Jacob and the Man in Black's yin/yang-type relationship? And
why can't they kill each other?
 Can Jacob see the future? (He went to Ilana's bedside and asked her to help him, and
he also ordered the Hydra Island runway built. The logical conclusion is that the
runway was needed because he knew Ilana would be coming to the island via Ajira
316.)
 Jacob is apparently responsible for bringing everyone to the island that gets to it.
How does Jacob bring people to the island?
 Why did Jacob touch so many of the castaways in the past? Why did he choose them,
and what did his touch cause to happen? Is he the reason they escaped the crash of
Oceanic 815 without harm?
 Did Jacob touch anyone else in the same way?
 Why did Jacob give Hurley a guitar case to bring back to the island? What's inside it?
 Why does the Man in Black want to kill Jacob?
 If Jacob hasn't been living in the cabin, who has? The Man in Black? Is this who Ben
and Locke encountered the day they visited the cabin?
 How did the Man in Black take on Locke's form? Can he assume the form of anyone
he wants, or does it have to be a dead person?
 What all did the Man in Black "go through" to get to Jacob?
 Who was Jacob referring to when he warned the Man in Black that "they're coming"?
 Who or what is Christian Shephard? Does he really speak for Jacob, or is he an
instrument of the Man in Black?
THE SMOKE MONSTER
 What is the smoke monster?
 Is the monster technological or supernatural?
 Why does the monster kill certain people -- like Mr. Eko, Captain Norris of Oceanic
815, and Nadine of the French science expedition -- while leaving others it encounters
alive? What's different about those it kills?
 The monster sometimes calls up images of peoples' pasts before it passes judgment
on them. (We've seen it do this with Eko, Juliet, and Ben.) How is the monster able to
do this?
 What exactly happened to Montand and the other Frenchmen beneath the Temple?
Did the monster change them, as Danielle believed? Did it kill them and take their
place?
 How did draining the water out of that tiny hole below Ben's house summon the
smoke monster? Who built the monster-summoning water hole there to begin with?
 Since we've seen other dead people (like Locke) on the island before, such as Alex
Rousseau and Yemi, who very likely were the smoke monster taken human form,
does this mean that the Man in Black is the smoke monster? Could they be one and
the same?
THE EGYPTIAN STATUE
 Why are there Egyptian-style hieroglyphs all over the island? Who put them there?
 Why was an enormous statue of an Egyptian fertility goddess (Tawaret) erected on
the island? And why did Jacob choose to live beneath it? Did Jacob build it, or was
someone else responsible? When was it built, and when & how was it destroyed?
 Is there a link between the Exit's location in Tunisia and the island's Egyptian
influences?
THE "ADAM & EVE" SKELETONS
 Who are the Adam & Eve skeletons? Are they characters we know?
 How did they die? Was it, as the castaways guessed, forty to fifty years ago?
 Why was one of them carrying two stones, one white and one black?
THE NUMBERS (4 8 15 16 23 42)
 Are the Numbers really cursed? Do they have power?
 Who sent the transmission from the island heard by Leonard Sims and Sam Toomey
at the Navy listening post in the Pacific? And why? (This was the same transmission
heard by Danielle's science team, which lured them toward the island.)
THE WHISPERS
 What are the Whispers?
 The Whispers always seem to precede an appearance by the Others or the smoke
monster. What's the connection?
THE BLACK ROCK
 How did the Black Rock get beached so far inland on the island?
 A journal belonging to the Black Rock's first mate found its way to Madagascar after
the ship wrecked on the island. How did it get there?
 Tovard Hanso found the Black Rock journal in Madagascar and kept its contents
secret for over a century. Is this journal how Alvar Hanso found out about the island,
and decided to send the Dharma Initiative there?
 Why did the Hanso family suddenly decide to sell the Black Rock journal (which
Charles Widmore purchased at auction) in 1996, after years of keeping it a family
secret?
 Richard Alpert constructed a model of a ship in a bottle that looked like the Black
Rock. Does he have a connection to the Black Rock? Was he one of its crewmembers?
THE INCIDENT
 Does "the Incident" refer to the electromagnetic pocket being breeched, or the
hydrogen bomb being detonated? Or both?
 What happened when Juliet detonated the hydrogen bomb? Did it reset time? Did it
destroy the island?
 How did Richard watch Jack, Kate, Hurley, Jin, Sawyer, Juliet, and Miles die? Did he
witness the hydrogen bomb explosion?
THE TEMPLE
 What is the purpose of the Temple? What happens there? Is it for worshipping
something or someone?
 Who built the Temple, and when?
 Why is the Temple a secret to be kept from outsiders?
 What happened to young Ben when Richard carried him inside the Temple? Why did it
cause Ben's memory to be erased and his innocence to be lost?
THE PURGE
 Why did the Others wipe out the Dharma Initiative? Relations between the two
groups were always tense, but what pushed the Others to take an action as extreme
as massacre?
THE DHARMA INITIATIVE
 Does the Dharma Initiative still exist today, off the island?
 Who is the "very clever fellow" working for the Dharma Initiative who figured out how
to find the island and built the Lamp Post station?
 Is it mere coincidence that the Dharma Initiative built the Barracks over the place
where the Others buried the hydrogen bomb?
THE DHARMA FOOD DROPS
 Who made the Dharma food drop?
 How often do the food drops take place?
 The Swan station went into lockdown mode coinciding with the timing of the food
drop. Why would the Swan need to be locked down when a food drop was being
conducted?
 Locke suggested that the Swan was locked down so that the Dharma workers couldn't
see who was dropping the food palette. Is this the reason for the lockdown? If so,
why would the source of the food drop want to remain anonymous?
 Was Eko right about the salted circle on the ground above the Pearl station being
made a visible target for planes to see? Could the circle be the intended target of the
Dharma food drops?
ISLAND PREGNANCY
 What's causing pregnant women to die on the island?
 Amy Goodspeed was able to carry her baby to full term and deliver successfully, so
the problem that present-day Others have with bearing children is something that
started after 1977. When did this pregnancy problem start?
THE VOLCANO
 Where is the island's volcano?
 When in the island's past did it erupt?
 Is the volcano now dormant?
CLAIRE
 According to psychic Richard Malkin, "danger surrounds" Aaron, and he requires her
protection and influence as he grows. Why? What did Malkin see in Claire's reading?
What was so dire about Aaron's future that Malkin would go to extreme lengths to
arrange for Claire to be on Oceanic 815, to ensure that she alone would raise her
son?
 Why was Miles so interested in Claire? Did something about her set off his abilities as
a medium? Is Claire dead, having not survived the explosion of her house at the
Barracks?
 What's become of Claire? Why did she go with Christian to Jacob's cabin, and leave
her baby behind?
 Why didn't Christian want Locke to tell anybody he saw Claire at the cabin? Why does
Claire's status need to be kept a secret?
 Why did Claire tell Kate not to bring Aaron back to the island?
RICHARD ALPERT
 How and when did Richard originally come to the island?
 What did Jacob do to Richard to cause him to stop aging?
 How old is Richard?
LIBBY
 Why was Libby a patient at Santa Rosa Mental Hospital?
 Why did Libby hide the fact that she was at Santa Rosa from Hurley -- and that she
remembered him from there? Did she have ulterior motives for her budding
relationship with him?
 Was Desmond's chance encounter with Libby really so random? She was awfully
trusting and willing to believe in a man she didn't know and give him her husband's
boat. Was there more to this meeting than it seems?
ILANA
 Who is Ilana? What is her history with Jacob?
 What happened to Ilana in the past, that gave her a severe head wound? How did she
fully recover? Jacob?
 What did Jacob need Ilana's help with?
PIERRE CHANG
 Why does Dr. Chang go by a different name in every Dharma Orientation video?
 Chang selected the site of the Orchid station, based on his knowledge of the pocket of
"unlimited power" beneath the site. How did he know ahead of time where to build
the Orchid?
 Did Chang recognize the wooden wheel buried beneath the Orchid station when he
saw it on the sonar? Does he know what it is, and who put it there?
 Is Pierre Chang really dead in the present? Did he die on the island? Did he die in the
Purge?
ELOISE HAWKING
 How is Eloise able to know the future?
 Why was Eloise in a photo on Brother Campbell's desk? How do they know each
other?
 What did Eloise mean when she said the island "isn't finished yet" with Desmond?
 Eloise was once the leader of the Others, so why did she leave the island?
 Why does Eloise now live at the church where the Lamp Post station is housed?
 Why would Eloise send her son to the island, knowing that he would die by her own
hand? What could be so vitally important to the fate of the island that Eloise would
sacrifice her own son to see it done?
 Eloise said to Penny, "For the first time in a long time, I don't know what's going to
happen next." If she's able to see the future, why has she suddenly lost that ability?
CHARLES WIDMORE
 If Matthew Abaddon is the reason Locke went to Australia for his walkabout, and
Abaddon works for Widmore... does this mean that Widmore knew Oceanic 815 was
going to crash on the island, and he arranged for Locke to be on it?
 The Oceanic Airlines employees take orders from Widmore. Does he own Oceanic?
 Charles Widmore knew of Paik Industries and even mentioned that he played golf
regularly with Sun's father. Are these two powerful men merely business associates,
or do they share a deeper connection (such as an interest in the island, perhaps)?
SAYID'S VENDETTA
 Who is responsible for Nadia's death? Widmore? Ben? Was it just a random crime?
 Who was the man stationed outside of Santa Rosa Mental Institute, watching Hurley?
Who did he work for?
 Who were the men waiting at Sayid's hotel room, intent on killing him and Hurley?
Who did they work for?
MISCELLANEOUS
 How is Walt "different "? What's the extent of his abilities?
 What became of Ben's childhood friend Annie? Was she killed during the Purge, or
had she left the island by then?
 Harper insinuated that Juliet was favored by Ben because she "looked just like her."
Which "her" was Harper referring to? Ben's mother? His childhood friend Annie?
 If Frank Lapidus was originally supposed to be the pilot of Oceanic 815, why was he
replaced by Seth Norris?

[GinaNMU]

my brother sent this to me today. this is a list of some of the questions that have yet to be answered on lost. i'm thinking it may have been compiled before this season started, seeing as how some of them have already been answered. and some of them i don't know if they really need an answer, but it's an interesting list nonetheless.


THE ISLAND
 Was Locke really healed by the island? Or was he healed by Jacob or the Man in
Black?
 Jack, Kate, Sawyer, Hurley, and Michael once saw an enormous green-colored bird
swoop out of a tree towards them, and Hurley thought that the bird said his name.
What kind of bird was this, and did it really say Hurley's name?
 Were there any permanent consequences to the island when the Swan's failsafe was
activated and the sky turned purple? Was the electromagnetic pocket of energy
beneath the island destroyed by the failsafe, or made dormant?
 What does the frozen wheel do, mechanically-speaking, to make the island move?
Does it access the electromagnetic energy pocket somehow? What's behind the wheel
that generated the bright yellow light? Why is it so cold in the underground chamber
where the island-moving wheel is housed? The wheel looks like a man-made device,
so who made it and put it there?
 Since turning the wheel beneath the Orchid station sends one to the Tunisian desert,
it stands to reason that the polar bear Charlotte found in Tunisia wearing a Dharma
Initiative collar must also have turned the wheel at some point, and that's how it
wound up there. What and when were the circumstances surrounding the polar bear
that turned the wheel and moved the island? Who was responsible for this, and why?
 Why were the Oceanic survivors, the Freighter Folk, and Juliet affected by the island's
time jumps, yet the Others were not?
 Why was Sun left behind in the present on Ajira 316, when all of the other Oceanic 6
were transported through time to the past?
 Why would the island let Ben come back after he left, but not Widmore?
 Who built the Tunnels under the island? Do the Tunnels run all over (or rather, under)
the island? What else is down there?
JACOB & THE MAN IN BLACK
 Who is Jacob, and how did he come to be on the island?
 Who is the Man in Black, aka Jacob's Nemesis?
 How did Jacob and the Man in Black come to be on the island?
 What's the nature of Jacob and the Man in Black's yin/yang-type relationship? And
why can't they kill each other?
 Can Jacob see the future? (He went to Ilana's bedside and asked her to help him, and
he also ordered the Hydra Island runway built. The logical conclusion is that the
runway was needed because he knew Ilana would be coming to the island via Ajira
316.)
 Jacob is apparently responsible for bringing everyone to the island that gets to it.
How does Jacob bring people to the island?
 Why did Jacob touch so many of the castaways in the past? Why did he choose them,
and what did his touch cause to happen? Is he the reason they escaped the crash of
Oceanic 815 without harm?
 Did Jacob touch anyone else in the same way?
 Why did Jacob give Hurley a guitar case to bring back to the island? What's inside it?
 Why does the Man in Black want to kill Jacob?
 If Jacob hasn't been living in the cabin, who has? The Man in Black? Is this who Ben
and Locke encountered the day they visited the cabin?
 How did the Man in Black take on Locke's form? Can he assume the form of anyone
he wants, or does it have to be a dead person?
 What all did the Man in Black "go through" to get to Jacob?
 Who was Jacob referring to when he warned the Man in Black that "they're coming"?
 Who or what is Christian Shephard? Does he really speak for Jacob, or is he an
instrument of the Man in Black?
THE SMOKE MONSTER
 What is the smoke monster?
 Is the monster technological or supernatural?
 Why does the monster kill certain people -- like Mr. Eko, Captain Norris of Oceanic
815, and Nadine of the French science expedition -- while leaving others it encounters
alive? What's different about those it kills?
 The monster sometimes calls up images of peoples' pasts before it passes judgment
on them. (We've seen it do this with Eko, Juliet, and Ben.) How is the monster able to
do this?
 What exactly happened to Montand and the other Frenchmen beneath the Temple?
Did the monster change them, as Danielle believed? Did it kill them and take their
place?
 How did draining the water out of that tiny hole below Ben's house summon the
smoke monster? Who built the monster-summoning water hole there to begin with?
 Since we've seen other dead people (like Locke) on the island before, such as Alex
Rousseau and Yemi, who very likely were the smoke monster taken human form,
does this mean that the Man in Black is the smoke monster? Could they be one and
the same?
THE EGYPTIAN STATUE
 Why are there Egyptian-style hieroglyphs all over the island? Who put them there?
 Why was an enormous statue of an Egyptian fertility goddess (Tawaret) erected on
the island? And why did Jacob choose to live beneath it? Did Jacob build it, or was
someone else responsible? When was it built, and when & how was it destroyed?
 Is there a link between the Exit's location in Tunisia and the island's Egyptian
influences?
THE "ADAM & EVE" SKELETONS
 Who are the Adam & Eve skeletons? Are they characters we know?
 How did they die? Was it, as the castaways guessed, forty to fifty years ago?
 Why was one of them carrying two stones, one white and one black?
THE NUMBERS (4 8 15 16 23 42)
 Are the Numbers really cursed? Do they have power?
 Who sent the transmission from the island heard by Leonard Sims and Sam Toomey
at the Navy listening post in the Pacific? And why? (This was the same transmission
heard by Danielle's science team, which lured them toward the island.)
THE WHISPERS
 What are the Whispers?
 The Whispers always seem to precede an appearance by the Others or the smoke
monster. What's the connection?
THE BLACK ROCK
 How did the Black Rock get beached so far inland on the island?
 A journal belonging to the Black Rock's first mate found its way to Madagascar after
the ship wrecked on the island. How did it get there?
 Tovard Hanso found the Black Rock journal in Madagascar and kept its contents
secret for over a century. Is this journal how Alvar Hanso found out about the island,
and decided to send the Dharma Initiative there?
 Why did the Hanso family suddenly decide to sell the Black Rock journal (which
Charles Widmore purchased at auction) in 1996, after years of keeping it a family
secret?
 Richard Alpert constructed a model of a ship in a bottle that looked like the Black
Rock. Does he have a connection to the Black Rock? Was he one of its crewmembers?
THE INCIDENT
 Does "the Incident" refer to the electromagnetic pocket being breeched, or the
hydrogen bomb being detonated? Or both?
 What happened when Juliet detonated the hydrogen bomb? Did it reset time? Did it
destroy the island?
 How did Richard watch Jack, Kate, Hurley, Jin, Sawyer, Juliet, and Miles die? Did he
witness the hydrogen bomb explosion?
THE TEMPLE
 What is the purpose of the Temple? What happens there? Is it for worshipping
something or someone?
 Who built the Temple, and when?
 Why is the Temple a secret to be kept from outsiders?
 What happened to young Ben when Richard carried him inside the Temple? Why did it
cause Ben's memory to be erased and his innocence to be lost?
THE PURGE
 Why did the Others wipe out the Dharma Initiative? Relations between the two
groups were always tense, but what pushed the Others to take an action as extreme
as massacre?
THE DHARMA INITIATIVE
 Does the Dharma Initiative still exist today, off the island?
 Who is the "very clever fellow" working for the Dharma Initiative who figured out how
to find the island and built the Lamp Post station?
 Is it mere coincidence that the Dharma Initiative built the Barracks over the place
where the Others buried the hydrogen bomb?
THE DHARMA FOOD DROPS
 Who made the Dharma food drop?
 How often do the food drops take place?
 The Swan station went into lockdown mode coinciding with the timing of the food
drop. Why would the Swan need to be locked down when a food drop was being
conducted?
 Locke suggested that the Swan was locked down so that the Dharma workers couldn't
see who was dropping the food palette. Is this the reason for the lockdown? If so,
why would the source of the food drop want to remain anonymous?
 Was Eko right about the salted circle on the ground above the Pearl station being
made a visible target for planes to see? Could the circle be the intended target of the
Dharma food drops?
ISLAND PREGNANCY
 What's causing pregnant women to die on the island?
 Amy Goodspeed was able to carry her baby to full term and deliver successfully, so
the problem that present-day Others have with bearing children is something that
started after 1977. When did this pregnancy problem start?
THE VOLCANO
 Where is the island's volcano?
 When in the island's past did it erupt?
 Is the volcano now dormant?
CLAIRE
 According to psychic Richard Malkin, "danger surrounds" Aaron, and he requires her
protection and influence as he grows. Why? What did Malkin see in Claire's reading?
What was so dire about Aaron's future that Malkin would go to extreme lengths to
arrange for Claire to be on Oceanic 815, to ensure that she alone would raise her
son?
 Why was Miles so interested in Claire? Did something about her set off his abilities as
a medium? Is Claire dead, having not survived the explosion of her house at the
Barracks?
 What's become of Claire? Why did she go with Christian to Jacob's cabin, and leave
her baby behind?
 Why didn't Christian want Locke to tell anybody he saw Claire at the cabin? Why does
Claire's status need to be kept a secret?
 Why did Claire tell Kate not to bring Aaron back to the island?
RICHARD ALPERT
 How and when did Richard originally come to the island?
 What did Jacob do to Richard to cause him to stop aging?
 How old is Richard?
LIBBY
 Why was Libby a patient at Santa Rosa Mental Hospital?
 Why did Libby hide the fact that she was at Santa Rosa from Hurley -- and that she
remembered him from there? Did she have ulterior motives for her budding
relationship with him?
 Was Desmond's chance encounter with Libby really so random? She was awfully
trusting and willing to believe in a man she didn't know and give him her husband's
boat. Was there more to this meeting than it seems?
ILANA
 Who is Ilana? What is her history with Jacob?
 What happened to Ilana in the past, that gave her a severe head wound? How did she
fully recover? Jacob?
 What did Jacob need Ilana's help with?
PIERRE CHANG
 Why does Dr. Chang go by a different name in every Dharma Orientation video?
 Chang selected the site of the Orchid station, based on his knowledge of the pocket of
"unlimited power" beneath the site. How did he know ahead of time where to build
the Orchid?
 Did Chang recognize the wooden wheel buried beneath the Orchid station when he
saw it on the sonar? Does he know what it is, and who put it there?
 Is Pierre Chang really dead in the present? Did he die on the island? Did he die in the
Purge?
ELOISE HAWKING
 How is Eloise able to know the future?
 Why was Eloise in a photo on Brother Campbell's desk? How do they know each
other?
 What did Eloise mean when she said the island "isn't finished yet" with Desmond?
 Eloise was once the leader of the Others, so why did she leave the island?
 Why does Eloise now live at the church where the Lamp Post station is housed?
 Why would Eloise send her son to the island, knowing that he would die by her own
hand? What could be so vitally important to the fate of the island that Eloise would
sacrifice her own son to see it done?
 Eloise said to Penny, "For the first time in a long time, I don't know what's going to
happen next." If she's able to see the future, why has she suddenly lost that ability?
CHARLES WIDMORE
 If Matthew Abaddon is the reason Locke went to Australia for his walkabout, and
Abaddon works for Widmore... does this mean that Widmore knew Oceanic 815 was
going to crash on the island, and he arranged for Locke to be on it?
 The Oceanic Airlines employees take orders from Widmore. Does he own Oceanic?
 Charles Widmore knew of Paik Industries and even mentioned that he played golf
regularly with Sun's father. Are these two powerful men merely business associates,
or do they share a deeper connection (such as an interest in the island, perhaps)?
SAYID'S VENDETTA
 Who is responsible for Nadia's death? Widmore? Ben? Was it just a random crime?
 Who was the man stationed outside of Santa Rosa Mental Institute, watching Hurley?
Who did he work for?
 Who were the men waiting at Sayid's hotel room, intent on killing him and Hurley?
Who did they work for?
MISCELLANEOUS
 How is Walt "different "? What's the extent of his abilities?
 What became of Ben's childhood friend Annie? Was she killed during the Purge, or
had she left the island by then?
 Harper insinuated that Juliet was favored by Ben because she "looked just like her."
Which "her" was Harper referring to? Ben's mother? His childhood friend Annie?
 If Frank Lapidus was originally supposed to be the pilot of Oceanic 815, why was he
replaced by Seth Norris?

This is just ridiculous. Maybe 5% of this list is significant. :lol People will be LET DOWN if they expect some of this crap to get answered. Didn't the writers say that the only things that will for sure get answered are the questions that are concerns/important to the actual characters?

[41ravens]

This is just ridiculous. Maybe 5% of this list is significant. :lol People will be LET DOWN if they expect some of this crap to get answered. Didn't the writers say that the only things that will for sure get answered are the questions that are concerns/important to the actual characters?

yeah, that's what i thought too. like the shit about the food drops? who gives a rat's ass. and i'm in the camp that believes that not every single thing is going to get answered. and i'm cool with that, as long as most of the important stuff is.

[GinaNMU]

yeah, that's what i thought too. like the shit about the food drops? who gives a rat's ass. and i'm in the camp that believes that not every single thing is going to get answered. and i'm cool with that, as long as most of the important stuff is.

:thumbsup More people should share our realistic expectations ;)

[breckbrew]

Interesting preview up on ABC's Lost website.

[gocubsgo3822]

This is from AbC.com/lost

"A flash sideways is not a flashback, flash-forward or an alternate timeline. It posits what would have happened if Oceanic flight 815 didn't crash on the island but instead landed in Los Angeles."

Thats interesting to me.. I dont know if i buy it because i think the flash sideways is what happens after the war between FLOCKE and Jacob and not if their plane lands this is what happens... THe reason being when Hurley got on that plane he thought he was cursed. And desomnd was never on that plane

[devilandthelord]

Stupid assholes.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/01/AR2010030103497.html?hpid=news-col-blog

I knew this would happen and I would end up hating this damn show after it was finally over. I kinda hate it now, but I just want to know what is going to happen. And that is, apparently not tell us the stuff we want to know anyway. I knew this would be the case. Oh well, at least I watched about 90% of the episodes online for free and didn't give them any ratings or money. Arrogant pricks.

[dh4645]

Stupid assholes.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/01/AR2010030103497.html?hpid=news-col-blog

I knew this would happen and I would end up hating this damn show after it was finally over. I kinda hate it now, but I just want to know what is going to happen. And that is, apparently not tell us the stuff we want to know anyway. I knew this would be the case. Oh well, at least I watched about 90% of the episodes online for free and didn't give them any ratings or money. Arrogant pricks.

thats a bunch of crap.
i love the show, but am ready for it to be over and know what's going on

[GinaNMU]

Stupid assholes.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/01/AR2010030103497.html?hpid=news-col-blog

I knew this would happen and I would end up hating this damn show after it was finally over. I kinda hate it now, but I just want to know what is going to happen. And that is, apparently not tell us the stuff we want to know anyway. I knew this would be the case. Oh well, at least I watched about 90% of the episodes online for free and didn't give them any ratings or money. Arrogant pricks.

thats a bunch of crap.
i love the show, but am ready for it to be over and know what's going on

Everyone will know what's going on when it's over. Of COURSE.

Just out of curiosity, what answers do you guys most want? Like, when all of these people say "Give me answers! I want answers!" What specifically is important to you that is important to the characters, too?

The reason I ask is because like I said above, it's been known for awhile now that they're not just going to go down a laundry list of answers that have nothing to do with the characters or the storyline right now. I think that's expected, yet some fans are STILL bullshit about it even though most of these 'mysteries' have nothing to do w/ the storyline or people in it right now. Based on what answers you want, you have to ask yourself "are they significant to the characters/questions that the characters need answered?"

If they're not, sorry but again, you are setting yourself up for disappointment, and that really sucks after everything this show HAS given, ya know?

Also, this is the type of show that makes you think. The writers are not just going to come out and shove answers down your throat. Most of this shit they're wanting you to piece together yourselves, which is what we've all been doing week after week anyways. It's part of the reason why Lost is so great/different.

[breckbrew]

Yeah, not sure why you guys are so upset. I know the show has sort of forced people to take a microscope to everything, but now is not the time for that. If you look for the bigger picture this season, I don't think you'll be disappointed.

[joepsu0985]

This is from AbC.com/lost

"A flash sideways is not a flashback, flash-forward or an alternate timeline. It posits what would have happened if Oceanic flight 815 didn't crash on the island but instead landed in Los Angeles."

Thats interesting to me.. I dont know if i buy it because i think the flash sideways is what happens after the war between FLOCKE and Jacob and not if their plane lands this is what happens... THe reason being when Hurley got on that plane he thought he was cursed. And desomnd was never on that plane

I'm not sure if the war is part of the flash sideways. Think about it. That is happening in 2007. 815 landing in the flash sideways was in 2004. Jughead went off in 1977 and changed future events. We are seeing that time-line in the flash sideways. Their destiny was changed, but yet they are all still interacting in some way. So theoretically this on-island stuff will happen in the flash-sideways time-line in 2007? I guess this is a question, but I have no idea. I don't think they would have just lessened the impact of blowing up jughead. They did it for the sole purpose of changing the future so 815 never crashed. I think it would kind of render an chunk of episodes useless to the plot.

[JMcCartyFBI]

The deeper we get into this season, the more I am becoming convinced that season six will end up answering very few questions and will actually end on a cliffhanger.

[Revolution36]

^Yeah, I think this is a given.

On some podcast I listened to a few weeks ago, the producers pretty much said "The only questions that are going to be answered, are the ones that are important to to the individual CHARACTERS".

So...stuff like "How can Eloise Hawking predict the future?" probably won't get answered.

[Beebz]

The deeper we get into this season, the more I am becoming convinced that season six will end up answering very few questions and will actually end on a cliffhanger.

Disagree on the cliffhanger, agree that there's no way they can answer all the mysteries they've created, especially the minor ones.

On another note"this place is death" is on. Forgot that Rousseau's BF had the sickness just like Sayid. Said the monster gave it to him. Interesting now.

[CaffeineQueen]

You know one of the things that bother me, they spend a whole pointless episode on Nikki and Paolo and the only thing it answered was why Paolo used the bathroom in the hatch.

[GinaNMU]

You know one of the things that bother me, they spend a whole pointless episode on Nikki and Paolo and the only thing it answered was why Paolo used the bathroom in the hatch.

:lol:lol:lol

The writers have apologized for Nikki and Paolo on numerous occasions.

[heywhynot]

haven't backread, but question: Is it really Jacob who Hurley is seeing? If so, perhaps now we have evidence that Jacob might not be all that good. Because of Jacob's instruction, Sayid was saved and turned into this monster (or whatever he is) who seems to be Flocke's minion. An explanation could be that Jacob's intentions were good and something happened to Sayid in the process, but for now we have to assume that Jacob is still somewhat all knowing and knew exactly what would happen to Sayid.

Of course, Jacob may very well have done this all intentionally, and Sayid's behavior is just a necessary link in the chain of the end game.

[uro55]

So I was bored and had fuck all to do this weekend lol. So I went out and bought season 1 and dvd and watched almost the whole thing lol. (the first 20 eps). And it's so crazy to go back and see the start when you're so close to the end!

But a couple of thoughts. I forgot about Boone and Shannon getting busy. That was just icky for lack of a more mature word lol.

And one of the best Sawyer nicknames/insults. When he called Sayid "Captain Falafal" lol.

[tosssweep]

:lol:lol:lol

The writers have apologized for Nikki and Paolo on numerous occasions.

What's even funnier about the N&P situation was that it was the fans that were clamoring to know what "other" Losties were up to! So then you get this awkward introduction of these flat, annoying characters that just end up eating dirt sandwiches a couple episodes down the line because the fans didn't like them! :lol

[GinaNMU]

What's even funnier about the N&P situation was that it was the fans that were clamoring to know what "other" Losties were up to! So then you get this awkward introduction of these flat, annoying characters that just end up eating dirt sandwiches a couple episodes down the line because the fans didn't like them! :lol

I know. :) I didn't really get why everyone was so concerned about the other losties. This is just another example as to how the fanbase as a whole will never be 100% satisfied with things going on in this show, no matter how fantastic it ends up being in the end.

[water_into_wine]

Not to mention it was the fans who clamored for what Jack's tattoos were from.

[pathetic]

I know. :) I didn't really get why everyone was so concerned about the other losties. This is just another example as to how the fanbase as a whole will never be 100% satisfied with things going on in this show, no matter how fantastic it ends up being in the end.

:lol sounds a little like another fan base that we all know....

[CaffeineQueen]

:lol sounds a little like another fan base that we all know....

:lol:lol

:thumbsup

[Dramageek]

:lol sounds a little like another fan base that we all know....

Lost needs to mix up its setlist more! They had a Sayid episode follow a Jack episode last season! (Making this up, of course.) The writers call that mixing it up?!

Seriously though, I see no way this show is going to end to every Lost fan's satisfaction. For my part, I want to see the primary characters' story arcs as complete as possible, as I see this show as a character drama as much as a sci fi story. Jack, Sayid, Hurley, Sawyer, Locke, et al were all brought to the island for a reason and have checkered pasts. I see their experiences as a shot at redemption and look forward to see how that plays out. I also want to see what becomes of Desmond, Penny, and Chuck Widmore. Of course, I am greatly looking forward to the Richard episode.

[water_into_wine]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0DIJdLWRr0&feature=related

I love watching old clips. Looking back I think I like Season 2 a lot more now. This scene is ridiculously good.

[tuckle upurself]

this might have already been posted here, thought it was great

[RJP2741]

this might have already been posted here, thought it was great

:lol:lol Awesome.

[joepsu0985]

i think people are setting themselves up by making this a good vs. evil thing. i'm thinking it's something else. the main thing i took away from last night's episode is that jacob isn't this "good" being as everyone is making him out to be. it sounds like he's used a lot of manipulation and, for lack of a better term, blackmailing to get people to the island for what right now seem like selfish purposes. whose to say jacob wasn't/isn't also trapped on the island and is only looking for a way out just like mib? the only difference is that they go about their business in different ways. i really liked doc jensen's alpha/omega theory from his write-up today, for those that have read it.

This is why I said I was on team smokey.

:lol:lol:lol

The writers have apologized for Nikki and Paolo on numerous occasions.

Yet, they still showed Sawyer with the diamonds this series. It was a pretty cool shout-out.

[javierm27]

Lost needs to mix up its setlist more! They had a Sayid episode follow a Jack episode last season! (Making this up, of course.) The writers call that mixing it up?!

Seriously though, I see no way this show is going to end to every Lost fan's satisfaction. For my part, I want to see the primary characters' story arcs as complete as possible, as I see this show as a character drama as much as a sci fi story. Jack, Sayid, Hurley, Sawyer, Locke, et al were all brought to the island for a reason and have checkered pasts. I see their experiences as a shot at redemption and look forward to see how that plays out. I also want to see what becomes of Desmond, Penny, and Chuck Widmore. Of course, I am greatly looking forward to the Richard episode.

:thumbsup

[GinaNMU]

I'm sure a lot of you have seen this, but good lord I was dying the first time I watched it :lol:lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22HsbU0Znbs

[jkrue22]

This is why I said I was on team smokey.


Join the club. :evil

[CaffeineQueen]

This is why I said I was on team smokey.



:thumbsup:thumbsup

[antsman41]

Team smokey is too badass for you joe, jacob is more crosby-ish.

[Talula62]

Team smokey is too badass for you joe, jacob is more crosby-ish.
:lol :lol I first read this as COSBY but regardless, I support this post. :lol

[junior94]

:lol :lol I first read this as COSBY but regardless, I support this post. :lol

Heeeeeyyyy KIDS, now who wants some Smokey Puddin' Pops?! daaaawwwww!!!


Man alive I really gotta stop looking at so many different sources for Lost news and chatter and whatnot, I'm to the point where I can never remember anymore where I posted what comment or question:lol

Speaking of: okay I'm definitely not among the camp who's already got a chapped ass over the idea that we're not going to get a meaningful answer to literally every single question that's been posed in 5+ years. But having said that, anyone else out there that will be bummed if we get no real further clarification on WTF is up with the whispers? Because I've just had a funny feeling lately that's one where we're gonna get left high and dry, and that kinda sucks.

[clcfball11]

How much more Dharma information do you guys think we'll be getting?

[junior94]

How much more Dharma information do you guys think we'll be getting?

Ehh I hate to tell ya, but I don't think very much at all. And I'm okay with that, it feels like we've pretty much been told the full Dharma story by now, hell we had like, what, almost a half of a season devoted to that world?

The one thing I'm especially curious about, though I don't at all expect them to go back into, it's just a minor thing that I've held onto, and I think I brought it up before, that what was the original purpose of the Swan station. Because again, everything we saw in that "dome room", including the computers, that was all being designed for a use before the incident, so clearly it had other intentions besides typing in the numbers every 108 minutes.

oh and also I wouldn't mind getting to actually see Radzinsky paint the wall with his brains (as Kelvin Inman told us he did in the hatch during one of Des's first flashback eps), just because of how much of a fucking asshole he was, but I highly doubt we'll be seeing that, either.

[twistedmind1586]

I'm sure a lot of you have seen this, but good lord I was dying the first time I watched it :lol:lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22HsbU0Znbs


Hahahahah. That made my night. There was a bunch more in the related videos section.

This was my favorite.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hX4rM-tliuU&feature=fvw

[dh4645]

HAPPY LOST DAY

hopefully i can stay up to watch it tonight. i only got 3.5 hrs of sleep last night...up playing bfbc2 on my ps3 til 2:30 am
now i am falling asleep at work already.

[pathetic]

Happy Lost Day Bitches!!!!!

[CaffeineQueen]

:multi:multi:multi

[RJP2741]

Somehow Tuesday is my favorite day of the week. :bounce

[jmkratt]

Somehow Tuesday is my favorite day of the week. :bounce

Me too, at least for a few more months :cool

[GinaNMU]

How much more Dharma information do you guys think we'll be getting?

I doubt much. Do you still have a bunch of questions that you think are relevant?

[CaffeineQueen]

I could be wrong, but I thought I heard that we may get a little more on Libby. Anyone else hear that? I know it's not a major thing, but it would be nice to at least know why she was in the loony bin.

[GinaNMU]

I could be wrong, but I thought I heard that we may get a little more on Libby. Anyone else hear that? I know it's not a major thing, but it would be nice to at least know why she was in the loony bin.

That'd be cool. I stay away from stuff like this for the most part, but I thought the whole Libby thing, while not IMPORTANT necessarily, was interesting.

[RJP2741]

I could be wrong, but I thought I heard that we may get a little more on Libby. Anyone else hear that? I know it's not a major thing, but it would be nice to at least know why she was in the loony bin.

That'd be cool. I stay away from stuff like this for the most part, but I thought the whole Libby thing, while not IMPORTANT necessarily, was interesting.

I heard we might get some more info on her. I agree with Gina though, I wouldn't care if they didn't add any more to her story, but I'll be happy if they do.

[CaffeineQueen]

I heard we might get some more info on her. I agree with Gina though, I wouldn't care if they didn't add any more to her story, but I'll be happy if they do.

Exactly!

[tosssweep]

Ehh I hate to tell ya, but I don't think very much at all. And I'm okay with that, it feels like we've pretty much been told the full Dharma story by now, hell we had like, what, almost a half of a season devoted to that world?

The one thing I'm especially curious about, though I don't at all expect them to go back into, it's just a minor thing that I've held onto, and I think I brought it up before, that what was the original purpose of the Swan station. Because again, everything we saw in that "dome room", including the computers, that was all being designed for a use before the incident, so clearly it had other intentions besides typing in the numbers every 108 minutes.

oh and also I wouldn't mind getting to actually see Radzinsky paint the wall with his brains (as Kelvin Inman told us he did in the hatch during one of Des's first flashback eps), just because of how much of a fucking asshole he was, but I highly doubt we'll be seeing that, either.

I would have to assume the purpose of the equipment, particularly in the dome area, would have been to monitor the source of the energy pocket?? The rest of the station was designed to monitor the people monitoring, which we all know, and I think you're right to ask what they were doing if not pressing a button pre-Incident. I think it's a case of the simplest answer fits: keeping tabs on the new energy source.

But who knows...

[junior94]

Dude I just found out that Mr. Mario Van Peebles himself directed tonight's episode :lol

[uro55]

Dude I just found out that Mr. Mario Van Peebles himself directed tonight's episode :lol

Really? That's rad!

[CaffeineQueen]

safe to assume it's a Ben episode tonight?

[breckbrew]

I just lied to a samurai.

[41ravens]

safe to assume it's a Ben episode tonight?

unless they're really fucking with us, i would assume so.

[CaffeineQueen]

I just lied to a samurai.

:lol

unless they're really fucking with us, i would assume so.

sort of like last week's Sundown? hmmm.

[junior94]

The only time where I think it was maybe valid to consider it "spoiler" material to know however many weeks ahead of time which character-centric an episode would be was during the first half of season 4, when you could tell that the first several episodes where focusing on characters that would wind up totaling the Oceanic Six.

But really other than that, plenty of times I've known ahead of time who each show will be about and I don't consider myself the least bit spoiled.

[hbktonyb]

Tuesday!!!!!!! Ben!!!!!!

[Beebz]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/01/AR2010030103497.html?hpid=news-col-blog

[javierm27]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/01/AR2010030103497.html?hpid=news-col-blog

I am cool with that just tie up the main story lines.

[DIDriveOut2SPAC]

I always just assumed Libby was put into the Loony Bin because of consequences when burying her husband.

[junior94]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/01/AR2010030103497.html?hpid=news-col-blog


How many more times do they have to say this? Seriously, it feels like this story's been going on for like over a month now, at least.


Also, I suppose what may make me feel somewhat better about this notion is to know if they DO KNOW what the answers are to particular smaller questions from the series, but just that they don't have the time in a practical sense to dramatize those answers. If they would say that they do, I'd take that as some solace. Because if not, I'm sorry than that's just poor writing. Hell anybody can dream up some incredibly weird shit as a set up, the talent in creativity is having a whole thru-line on the concept (even if you're not necessarily telling a great deal about what that is).

[zigbaldi]

I hope we eventually find out about the creators of the Dharma Initiative, and I hope we find out what happened to Pierre Chang.

[water_into_wine]

I hope we eventually find out about the creators of the Dharma Initiative, and I hope we find out what happened to Pierre Chang.

Everything about Dharma has likely already been told. I'm satisfied with that, and if you want to know about them there was a lot given during the Lost Experience.

What is there to know about him?

[junior94]

I hope we eventually find out about the creators of the Dharma Initiative, and I hope we find out what happened to Pierre Chang.

I had wondered if we were ever gonna actually meet the DeGroots in some way, but I think the ship's sailed.

If you're referring to Chang's arm, didn't the 5th finale answer that?

[yellowflame34]

Apparently, I am evil.

:lol

[hbktonyb]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/01/AR2010030103497.html?hpid=news-col-blog

Personally, I think this is a bunch of horse shit. I better be satisfied by the end of this...or else it would have felt like a big waste

[gocubsgo3822]

super excited for tonight

[luke7]

When did Mario Van Peebles start directing LOST episodes ??

[RJP2741]

Now this is what I expected a Season 6 LOST episode to be.

[ant_marching41]

:lol Miles better start digging up Nikki and Paulo's grave.

[CaffeineQueen]

:lol Miles better start digging up Nikki and Paulo's grave.

And here I thought that was a pointless episode! :lol

[water_into_wine]

Nikki and Paolo shoutout was awesome. Also the Richard stuff is great, but depending on what happens don't think people should expect much more of his storyline next week until his centric episode.

[luke7]

" now let's talk " that was cool !

[ant_marching41]

" now let's talk " that was cool !
Cool, but not exactly the best time to have everything explained to you. :lol

[water_into_wine]

Cool, but not exactly the best time to have everything explained to you. :lol

No, Jack knows exactly what he is doing. He knows Richard can't die until he moves.

[CaffeineQueen]

Cool, but not exactly the best time to have everything explained to you. :lol

Jack's a dumbass, smh. He's bothering me more this season than usual.

[CaffeineQueen]

Poor ben :(

[water_into_wine]

Jack's a dumbass, smh. He's bothering me more this season than usual.

Nah, he's been awesome.

[ant_marching41]

This is the performance that I was waiting Michael Emerson to give all series. :thumbsup:thumbsup:thumbsup

[luke7]

This episode was a prime example of what makes LOST great. As with all great drama you have to care about the characters even ones like Ben.

[water_into_wine]

Awesome.

[water_into_wine]

This is the performance that I was waiting Michael Emerson to give all series. :thumbsup:thumbsup:thumbsup

Have you forgotten about how great he was in Season 2.

[DynastyDrummer1]

ohhhhh snap.

[davedmb41]

oh DAMN!

[CaffeineQueen]

Soooo, Whidmore is on Jacob's side it would seem.

[ant_marching41]

Great ending. Best all around episode of the season. It had everything.

[twistedmind1586]

Snap Judgment: Glad to see Ben's character arc come to close. He was great all series, and I'm glad to see they showed he has the ability to be a good person. I think we're done with Ben for the most part though.

Widmore being the one on the way to island...not the biggest shock. Not sure what to make of that, depends what side he is on. Can't wait for the Alpert episode in two weeks though. I'm glad there were two storylines going at once, Jack/Hurley/Alpert and Ben. Seems they have decided to go with one main focus in each episode lately, glad they switched it up a little.

[joepsu0985]

This has been sort of a let down so far. 9 episodes left. Lots and lots of questions. Great Ben episode though. He is an unreal actor.

[water_into_wine]

Soooo, Whidmore is on Jacob's side it would seem.

Was this ever really a question?

Great ending. Best all around episode of the season. It had everything.

I agree with the bolded completely but I think it is still tied for "The Substitute". I think it is safe to say though that Ben's character has been fully developed, which really was awesome to see.

Prediction: Ben will be dead before the series ends.

[DynastyDrummer1]

This has been sort of a let down so far. 9 episodes left. Lots and lots of questions. Great Ben episode though. He is an unreal actor.

Atleast they kinda answered two pretty decently sized questions tonight...

[water_into_wine]

Snap Judgment: Glad to see Ben's character arc come to close. He was great all series, and I'm glad to see they showed he has the ability to be a good person. I think we're done with Ben for the most part though.

Widmore being the one on the way to island...not the biggest shock. Not sure what to make of that, depends what side he is on. Can't wait for the Alpert episode in two weeks though. I'm glad there were two storylines going at once, Jack/Hurley/Alpert and Ben. Seems they have decided to go with one main focus in each episode lately, glad they switched it up a little.

I liked this too. Especially since both really grabbed my attention. Also like how they were brought together.

[junior94]

All the people crowing about having so little time left, we need answers, etc etc... wonder how quickly it'll occur to them this episode was almost entirely about character. Think about it - the overall plot was advanced fairly little. Certainly dwarfed in relation to last week's show.

and wow I don't think they've ever produced a more brief preview for the next week's show than that. There was hardly anything to it.

[Styx Cover Band]

Great episode. I think Michael Emerson has been one of Lost's best actors over the entire series. But I have to say I thought he was going to kill himself about 3/4 through the episode

[water_into_wine]

Great episode. I think Michael Emerson has been one of Lost's best actors over the entire series. But I have to say I thought he was going to kill himself about 3/4 through the episode

Same. Completely through me off and I enjoyed it that much more.

[GinaNMU]

This episode was a prime example of what makes LOST great. As with all great drama you have to care about the characters even ones like Ben.

Exactly. Aside from all of the mysteries and questions, the characters are just fantastic and I feel like people forget about this part of the story. If you can't appreciate the characters in an episode like this and enjoy it, I don't know what exactly people are looking for in this show.

[GinaNMU]

Soooo, Whidmore is on Jacob's side it would seem.

Really? I thought it was obvious that Widmore was on MIB's side. Didn't he flat out tell Locke off the island something like "there's a war coming, and if you're not there, the wrong side will win"?

Am I missing something? I quite possibly can be :lol

[water_into_wine]

Really? I thought it was obvious that Widmore was on MIB's side. Didn't he flat out tell Locke off the island something like "there's a war coming, and if you're not there, the wrong side will win"?

Am I missing something? I quite possibly can be :lol

Jacob said he was bringing someone to the island (Whidmore). I actually just watched that episode today and Whidmore did not want Locke to die.

[GinaNMU]

Jacob said he was bringing someone to the island (Whidmore). I actually just watched that episode today and Whidmore did not want Locke to die.

So someone wasn't just COMING to the island...Jacob was bringing Widmore? Now I'm confused.

[water_into_wine]

So someone wasn't just COMING to the island...Jacob was bringing Widmore? Now I'm confused.

Tomato, tomahto.

If someone was coming to the island do you really think Jacob didn't have a hand in it?

[keithcoldroses]

Anyone completely sick of the flash-sideways? I really feel like every time they cut to one, I cringe. I just want fucking answers. 7 eps in and nothing.

[jkrue22]

3 episodes straight with no Sawyer, WTF :BANG

[jkrue22]

What high school student shows up at her teacher's door without calling first? :lol

[Styx Cover Band]

What high school student shows up at her teacher's door without calling first? :lol

A hot ass Alex does :hump:hump:hump

[TwoStep2888]

"3 episodes straight with no Sawyer, WTF :BANG"

Next week:
06.08
Episode Title: Recon
Centricity: Rumoured Sawyer
Air Date: 16th March 2010

[junior94]

So it would seem Richard, thanks to Jacob's magic touch, is not unlike the elves in Lord Of The Rings. He can be killed via an "external" situation, if you will (deadly attack from another person), but simply left to his own devices, he doesn't age and theoretically would live forever.

I mean obviously we'd known already he doesn't age, but that's a cool tid bit to receive before we get the real motherload in 2 weeks.

[junior94]

Also, I'm not sure whether or not I like the fact that Kate is now on Team Smokey seemingly via a totally arbitrary chain of events. It kinda just happened last week that she got separated from the others last week at the temple, otherwise she could've stayed with the group Ilana was leading, just a matter of a distance of yards between them in the temple, and yet now she's wound up on a completely different side.

edit: and actually now I think about it, do we have reason to believe that, as we saw Kate in that final moment last week, she's aware that it's not the real Locke?

[water_into_wine]

Also, I'm not sure whether or not I like the fact that Kate is now on Team Smokey seemingly via a totally arbitrary chain of events. It kinda just happened last week that she got separated from the others last week at the temple, otherwise she could've stayed with the group Ilana was leading, just a matter of a distance of yards between them in the temple, and yet now she's wound up on a completely different side.

edit: and actually now I think about it, do we have reason to believe that, as we saw Kate in that final moment last week, she's aware that it's not the real Locke?

She knew he was dead, but I don't think she really knows who/what he is. Then again she might be able to guess after a huge smoke monster just destroyed a temple full of people.

I'm fine with it. I don't see as her being "on" Team Smokey though.

[41ravens]

i think people need to stop worrying about how many answers we're getting and just start appreciating these episodes for what they are. tonight was an excellent episode, and one of many so far this season.

[jkrue22]

So who's the 6th candidate??

Jack
Sawyer
Hurley
Sayid
Kwon (guessing Jin)
????

[wampa3]

So who's the 6th candidate??

Jack
Sawyer
Hurley
Sayid
Kwon (guessing Jin)
????
#51 Kate

[Bartndrpleez]

i think people need to stop worrying about how many answers we're getting and just start appreciating these episodes for what they are. tonight was an excellent episode, and one of many so far this season.

personally, i made peace with 'getting answers' probably at the season 3 finale. :lol the twist of the flash forwards sealed the deal. i'm too interested in the story where it is now to worry about some mundane detail that happened in season 1 or 2. if it's important it will be talked about, if it isn't, it won't be. the only real 'weak' episode this season was the kate episode, but i mean, kate sucks, so that goes without saying. :lol

[twistedmind1586]

Something HUGE no one has mentioned yet. Ben's dad talked about island in the flash sideways, indicating that as late as the 70's people still inhabited the island. That's the first confirmation of the islands existence we've gotten, off island. Interesting, me thinks.

Also, anyone think there is any chance one of the Losties actually ends up replacing Jacob? I don't think it's likely. I'm thinking Desmond...

[yellowflame34]

So who's the 6th candidate??

Jack
Sawyer
Hurley
Sayid
Kwon (guessing Jin)
????

We don't really know yet. Maybe Kate, maybe both Kwons, maybe Frank.... it's a mystery still

[jkrue22]

Also, anyone think there is any chance one of the Losties actually ends up replacing Jacob? I don't think it's likely. I'm thinking Desmond...

Jack or Hurley, if anyone

[jkrue22]

A hot ass Alex does :hump:hump:hump

She's 15 you creep... why don't you have a seat over there.

[twistedmind1586]

She's 15 you creep... why don't you have a seat over there.

If she is applying for college and needs recommendation letters, it's safe to say she is at least 17, and very close to 18, if she isn't already.

Wonder if Rousseau ever even went to the island in sideways world.

[junior94]

She's 15 you creep... why don't you have a seat over there.

I read somewhere else online that the actress (who's 22 in real life) actually dated Jeff Goldbloom at one point, and he's 57 :shrug

[jkrue22]

If she is applying for college and needs recommendation letters, it's safe to say she is at least 17, and very close to 18, if she isn't already.

Wonder if Rousseau ever even went to the island in sideways world.

True I guess she could have been born earlier in the Sideways Reality... She was born in 1989 on the island, so if it's still 2004 she'd only be 15 (or for all we know last night's sideways story could have occurred in 2007).

[Beebz]

How many more times do they have to say this? Seriously, it feels like this story's been going on for like over a month now, at least.

Also, I suppose what may make me feel somewhat better about this notion is to know if they DO KNOW what the answers are to particular smaller questions from the series, but just that they don't have the time in a practical sense to dramatize those answers. If they would say that they do, I'd take that as some solace. Because if not, I'm sorry than that's just poor writing. Hell anybody can dream up some incredibly weird shit as a set up, the talent in creativity is having a whole thru-line on the concept (even if you're not necessarily telling a great deal about what that is).

Im think a sizeable portion of the things we obsessed over and thought were important will never get explained. The blast door map, the mural, the DeGroots, the stations on the island, Kelvin, etc etc etc. And that's going to be a giant letdown.

Or, something like this:

So will we ever learn why women couldn’t carry babies to term on the island? Isn’t that the whole reason Juliet was brought over by Dharma in the first place?—Jean B., via e-mail
Lindelof says the show is not going to specifically state why, however, “we feel like we’ve given you the empirical data so you can figure it out for yourself.” Hmm… a little more help please for the clueless? “Clearly Ethan was born on the island in 1977,” continues Lindelof. “That’s the last baby that we know of who was born on the island. And then something happened between 1977 and when our show takes place in 2004 (when Claire arrived eight months pregnant) where it’s been a long time since women have been able to have babies on the island. What might have happened between those two points that could have created fertility issues?”
Really? The inability of women on the island to have babies was a central idea of the first three seasons. Hell, its the entire reason Juliet came to the island. I mean, are they hinting that the Jughead explosion and the ensuing radiation caused that, but how does that jive with the timelines? Makes no sense.


Personally, I think this is a bunch of horse shit. I better be satisfied by the end of this...or else it would have felt like a big waste

This.

Great ending. Best all around episode of the season. It had everything.

Wasnt nearly as good as The Substitute, and did little to advance the plot.

Although it was nice to see sides come together. Jack's group, including Hurley, Sun, Richard, Ben, Lapidus, Ilana, and Miles, looks to square off against Locke's bunch, with Sawyer, Sayid, Kate, Jin (although I dont think he's on Smokey's side) and Claire.

All the people crowing about having so little time left, we need answers, etc etc... wonder how quickly it'll occur to them this episode was almost entirely about character. Think about it - the overall plot was advanced fairly little. Certainly dwarfed in relation to last week's show.

and wow I don't think they've ever produced a more brief preview for the next week's show than that. There was hardly anything to it.

Yeah, and next week's episode looks terrible. Sawyer and Kate, lots of sitting around. Ugh.

Something HUGE no one has mentioned yet. Ben's dad talked about island in the flash sideways, indicating that as late as the 70's people still inhabited the island. That's the first confirmation of the islands existence we've gotten, off island. Interesting, me thinks.

Also, anyone think there is any chance one of the Losties actually ends up replacing Jacob? I don't think it's likely. I'm thinking Desmond...

Yes, both of these were interesting. It was the first time the island had been acknowledged in the flash sideways, with further confirms that these FS are epilogues playing out through the season.

And I said before that I think something happens to Penny, and Jacob makes a similar deal with Desmond that he did with Dogen--stay here and be the protector and I'll let Penny live.

[monkeyman420]

So who's the 6th candidate??

Jack
Sawyer
Hurley
Sayid
Kwon (guessing Jin)
????
It was Locke. There were 6 names on the cave wall that had not been crossed out when Flocke and Sawyer were in the cave: Locke, Ford, Shepard, Reyes, Kwon, and Jarrah. Flocke crossed off Locke's name.

[junior94]

Yeah, and next week's episode looks terrible. Sawyer and Kate, lots of sitting around. Ugh.

Dude, you're kidding me, right? We saw about 4.5 seconds of people sitting around a campfire, and that equates to everyone just doing THAT for the bulk of the episode? You have absolutely no idea what's going to happen next week. You're setting yourself up to hate it, look at how you're going into it. Try to remember this is a series you fell in love with, and enjoy yourself :)


I thought it was great how the answer to why Frank didn't fly 815 winds up being so incredibly simple. This was one of those very minor things I'd long been curious about in just a fun way but didn't expect them at all to answer as it likely wasn't real important, so it was cool to find it out last night, and all this time, just because he overslept :lol

[Beebz]

Dude, you're kidding me, right? We saw about 4.5 seconds of people sitting around a campfire, and that equates to everyone just doing THAT for the bulk of the episode? You have absolutely no idea what's going to happen next week. You're setting yourself up to hate it, look at how you're going into it. Try to remember this is a series you fell in love with, and enjoy yourself :)


I thought it was great how the answer to why Frank didn't fly 815 winds up being so incredibly simple. This was one of those very minor things I'd long been curious about in just a fun way but didn't expect them at all to answer as it likely wasn't real important, so it was cool to find it out last night, and all this time, just because he overslept :lol

I bet its weaker than hell, because the following week's episode is fantastic.

[dh4645]

so i guess jacob must have touched michael at some point too.
remember those couple of times when he tried to kill himself?

[dh4645]

True I guess she could have been born earlier in the Sideways Reality... She was born in 1989 on the island, so if it's still 2004 she'd only be 15 (or for all we know last night's sideways story could have occurred in 2007).

i doubt it was 2007, locke was still there as a substitute. not that there aren't long term subs, i just figured if it was 2007 he would have been a full time teacher.

they did make it a point to make alex look very young. i wasn't even sure if it was her at first. i thought they got some younger actress who looked 99% the same. hah.

nevertheless, she's a hot 15 yr old in a 22 yrs olds body. :-)

[CaffeineQueen]

so i guess jacob must have touched michael at some point too.
remember those couple of times when he tried to kill himself?

hmmm.

I was also thinking about when John tried hanging himself... it wouldn't have worked. But noooo Ben had to come and kill him.

[junior94]

I think it's reasonably safe to assume that while Ben wasn't on flight 815, his centric episode here in sideways land would be taking place in the aftermath of it landing in LA like everyone else's has so far who was on the plane.

[Beebz]

so i guess jacob must have touched michael at some point too.
remember those couple of times when he tried to kill himself?

Interesting.....

I think it's reasonably safe to assume that while Ben wasn't on flight 815, his centric episode here in sideways land would be taking place in the aftermath of it landing in LA like everyone else's has so far who was on the plane.

Yes, that makes a lot of sense.

[JMcCartyFBI]

so i guess jacob must have touched michael at some point too.
remember those couple of times when he tried to kill himself?

And also when Jack wanted to jump off the bridge and got interrupted by that car accident.

[RJP2741]

Dr. Linus

What I liked:
- The acting. One of the best ever in terms of individual and all around performances. Emerson was phenomenal. There was great support as well with Matthew Fox and Nestor Carbonell (sp?) at the Black Rock and O'Quinn both in Ben's high school and in the jungle.
- Alex's brief return. She looked great. And the story was even better. Ben was finally given his redemption for letting his daughter die, he got a chance to save her, and he took it.
- Ben's overall story arc. Somehow, through all of this, I found myself rooting for Ben Linus. I wanted Miles to cover for him when he was talking to Jacob's ashes, I disliked Ilana for making him dig his own grave, I wanted to see Ben do something good for Alex, and I wanted him to choose to come back to the group rather than follow Flocke. It is a testament to the show that with all the evil he's done throughout the course of this show, that I was still rooting for him in the end.
- Overall, I thought this was the best episode of the season, it felt like old LOST. Several stories going at once, each one interesting. While the island plot was not advanced really at all, we at least were provided with some answers, vague though they were. I liked getting more insight into why Richard is the way he is.
- Frank's conversation with Ben about 815. "Imagine how much different my life would've been had I not overslept." "Would it have been? You're still here." (paraphrasing).

What I didn't like:
- Going this long without seeing Sawyer. One of my favorite characters on the show, and he's been gone for too long.
- I still need more from the flash-sideways. I really liked this one as its own little story, but the writers are almost being too ambiguous about what role these stories play in the overall scheme of the show. We found out that the Island existed in the flash-sideways, but we don't know when the Lini (plural of Linus) left the island, before or after 77 when the bomb supposedly went off. I just need more.

What I'm not sure about:
- The theory that the flash-sideways is nothing more than an epilogue. I feel like the writers have already used this device, when the flash forwards were first introduced. They have been on record as saying that this season was again going to be an entirely new way to tell a story and I don't think that theory qualifies. In my opinion, it would also more or less negate the time and energy we spent watching and following this show. Basically everything we watched will have been erased so that these new versions of the Losties can live happily ever after.
- What role Widmore will play in all this. He seemed to have been phased out of the story.
- Where Desmond is and what's taking him so long to get back.

[pathetic]

ya, RJ you're right. this episode felt like an older episode of LOST. i really enjoyed it.

Roger Linus mentioned the Island, but then just brushed it off saying he wishes he never went there and joined the darma initiative...thought that was pretty cool and we'll prob hear more about that later....we better atleast

i loved every second that richard spoke cuz it led to more and more info.

Jack has truly become a man of faith...there's no way in the 1st few seasons that he'd risk his and hurley's lives like that. you'd think that after the bomb went off and jack was "wrong" that he'd lose his faith a little bit, but he def trusts richard.

I cant wait for the Richard episode now!!!

i dread the next Kate episode...it'll prob be something like her wanting to stay with sawyer and Flocke's group, but she is torn between leaving that group and joining Jack...:lorraine :lorraine

[dh4645]

i dread the next Kate episode...it'll prob be something like her wanting to stay with sawyer and Flocke's group, but she is torn between leaving that group and joining Jack...:lorraine :lorraine


ugh. it better not suck like the last one.

[RJP2741]

The only way a Kate episode could be good is if she dies in it.

[pathetic]

ugh. it better not suck like the last one.

another filler episode :lol

where the hell has sawyer been? he hasn't been in the past 2 episodes..thats not cool that we have more footage of frank lupitas than sawyer :lol

and wtf was frank talking about "imagine how different my life wouldve been if i piloted oceanic 815?" well actually i guess it wouldve been different cuz smokey got the pilot in the pilot :lol

[pathetic]

The only way a Kate episode could be good is if she dies in it.

yes, this!

i want claire to kill her

"catch a falling star and put it in your pocket, save it for a rainy day" that was pretty creepy

[Beebz]

Season 6, Episode 7: Dr. Linus

What I liked about Dr. Linus:

-- Jack completely shedding his skepticism about the island and adopting Locke's old "man of faith" role. Cant you just see Locke sitting in front of that stick of dynamite three seasons ago, trusting that the island would intervene to save their lives?

-- Ben Linus, redemptive hero. Both off island and on, we saw him act in a manner different from the Ben we've known for years. He was actually brutally honest--his explanation to Ilana about why he killed Jacob made you sit back and say, "Yeah, I kinda see that. I'd be pretty fucking steamed, too." And him stepping up to "save" Alex in the FS world by doing the opposite of what his self-serving ass would have done in the past was a refreshing change.

-- The acting was terrific by nearly everyone involved. Matthew Fox has really given Jack a lot of range this season. "He's the only one who will have me" could have been a completely cheesy line had it been delivered by anyone else, but Michael Emerson sold the pathetic, broken Ben like no one else could.

-- Loved how Ben tried to buy Miles off with money and Miles wanted nothing of it. "Nikki and Paulo are down there with $8 million in diamonds. Why would I need your money?"

-- "I overslept." Lapidus needs more lines.

-- The dynamite scene was, well, dynamite.

-- The acknowledgment that in the FS world, the island had existed.

-- Widmore showing up at the end. I dont know that I like that he just rolled up in a sub, but at least the writers didnt play the classic Lost gimmick of ending right with the sub shot. They showed who was inside. Three seasons ago it would have ended with the periscope shot.

What I didn't like about Dr. Linus:

-- The FS, while entertaining, still serves no purpose other than to see some characters again. I dont care if we make it to the end of the series and it turns out that everything fits. The fact that we're seven episodes in and the FS have no tie for the viewer is a massive fail on the part of the creators. You shouldn't have to rewatch an entire season to have a payoff.

-- Sawyer disappearing for three episodes in a row. Come on, writers, its the last season. Lets go.

-- No big revelations or island secrets again this episode. Jack's line about stalling seems more and more appropriate as the series continues on.

Grade: B+

Season 6 grades so far:

LA X: B
What Kate Does: D-
The Substitute: A
Lighthouse: B
Sundown: B+
Dr. Linus: B+

[CaffeineQueen]

another filler episode :lol

where the hell has sawyer been? he hasn't been in the past 2 episodes..thats not cool that we have more footage of frank lupitas than sawyer :lol

and wtf was frank talking about "imagine how different my life wouldve been if i piloted oceanic 815?" well actually i guess it wouldve been different cuz smokey got the pilot in the pilot :lol

but maybe smokey got the pilot because he wasn't supposed to be there, hmmm...

[Beebz]

ya, RJ you're right. this episode felt like an older episode of LOST. i really enjoyed it.

Roger Linus mentioned the Island, but then just brushed it off saying he wishes he never went there and joined the darma initiative...thought that was pretty cool and we'll prob hear more about that later....we better atleast

i loved every second that richard spoke cuz it led to more and more info.

Jack has truly become a man of faith...there's no way in the 1st few seasons that he'd risk his and hurley's lives like that. you'd think that after the bomb went off and jack was "wrong" that he'd lose his faith a little bit, but he def trusts richard.

I cant wait for the Richard episode now!!!

i dread the next Kate episode...it'll prob be something like her wanting to stay with sawyer and Flocke's group, but she is torn between leaving that group and joining Jack...:lorraine :lorraine

There wont be another Kate FS episode. But her and sawyer are gonna do the flirty eyes thing next week. And its gonna suck.

[CaffeineQueen]

-- The acting was terrific by nearly everyone involved. Matthew Fox has really given Jack a lot of range this season. "He's the only one who will have me" could have been a completely cheesy line had it been delivered by anyone else, but Michael Emerson sold the pathetic, broken Ben like no one else could.



omg, the way he was all slumped and sad, broke my heart! :lorraine

[RJP2741]

What I didn't like about Dr. Linus:

-- The FS, while entertaining, still serves no purpose other than to see some characters again. I dont care if we make it to the end of the series and it turns out that everything fits. The fact that we're seven episodes in and the FS have no tie for the viewer is a massive fail on the part of the creators. You shouldn't have to rewatch an entire season to have a payoff.



Definitely my biggest complaint about this season so far as well. The writers are being too vague and mysterious here. At least on a first viewing. And I agree, you shouldn't have to rewatch for these scenes to be made worthwhile, because watching them in real time, it makes them seem like a waste of time in comparison to the island story.

At first I thought we would see the characters eventually start to piece things together; Jack's cuts, the feelings of Deja Vu, etc. But instead of advancing things further, they are just repeating them with each character.

[Beebz]

http://www.avclub.com/articles/dr-linus,39051/

Good review of the episode. Raises some good criticisms....

[jkrue22]

but maybe smokey got the pilot because he wasn't supposed to be there, hmmm...

My thoughts exactly... I've often wondered why Smokey killed the pilot (in The Pilot), but this could be an explanation: he was not supposed to be there, it was supposed to be Lapidus, so Smokey course-corrected.

[Beebz]

Definitely my biggest complaint about this season so far as well. The writers are being too vague and mysterious here. At least on a first viewing. And I agree, you shouldn't have to rewatch for these scenes to be made worthwhile, because watching them in real time, it makes them seem like a waste of time in comparison to the island story.

At first I thought we would see the characters eventually start to piece things together; Jack's cuts, the feelings of Deja Vu, etc. But instead of advancing things further, they are just repeating them with each character.

Yeah, island stuff >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> flash-sideways stories, flashbacks, flashforwards*

*unless said flashbacks are for characters who have never had their backstory explained (Richard, MiB, Jacob, Ilana).

[pathetic]

There wont be another Kate FS episode. But her and sawyer are gonna do the flirty eyes thing next week. And its gonna suck.

good news :thumbsup

[Beebz]

Re: Kate FS

Well, Im just guessing. But there are nine eps left before the finale. We still have a Sawyer-centric, Jin/Sun-centric, a Hurley-centric, and a Desmond-centric. That's four. Richard is the week after next. Five.

One is Mib/Jacob centric, Jack gets another one, and one is multi-character

That's eight.

The last three episodes (over a two-week span) are considered the season finale and will either have no flashbacks or multi-character flashbacks. So I think its safe to say Kate is done.

[monkeyman420]

What I'm not sure about:
- The theory that the flash-sideways is nothing more than an epilogue. I feel like the writers have already used this device, when the flash forwards were first introduced. They have been on record as saying that this season was again going to be an entirely new way to tell a story and I don't think that theory qualifies. In my opinion, it would also more or less negate the time and energy we spent watching and following this show. Basically everything we watched will have been erased so that these new versions of the Losties can live happily ever after.




What I didn't like about Dr. Linus:

-- The FS, while entertaining, still serves no purpose other than to see some characters again. I dont care if we make it to the end of the series and it turns out that everything fits. The fact that we're seven episodes in and the FS have no tie for the viewer is a massive fail on the part of the creators. You shouldn't have to rewatch an entire season to have a payoff.


Cuse and Lindeloff have said numerous times this year that the flash sideways events and current island events are going to merge together. I enjoy the FS, this show has always been about the characters, so seeing how different or same some of their lives are with the plane not crashing is great. I think there is a lot in the FS that is starting to mirror what's happening on the island.

For example, Sayid. On the island he became infected and ended up giving in to all the evil that is inside him. In the FS, we saw Sayid trying to be a better man yet in the end he gives in to who he really is. Then look at Ben. On the island he's been a SOB, lying and manipulating his entire life, always putting the island or his motives ahead of everyone and everything. In the FS he had a redemption of sorts, he finally put someone else in front of him and things worked out. For lack of better term he 'saved' Alex in the FS, and along the same time he saved Alex, he became part of the group on the beach.

[water_into_wine]

Im think a sizeable portion of the things we obsessed over and thought were important will never get explained. The blast door map, the mural, the DeGroots, the stations on the island, Kelvin, etc etc etc. And that's going to be a giant letdown.

Or, something like this:

So will we ever learn why women couldn’t carry babies to term on the island? Isn’t that the whole reason Juliet was brought over by Dharma in the first place?—Jean B., via e-mail
Lindelof says the show is not going to specifically state why, however, “we feel like we’ve given you the empirical data so you can figure it out for yourself.” Hmm… a little more help please for the clueless? “Clearly Ethan was born on the island in 1977,” continues Lindelof. “That’s the last baby that we know of who was born on the island. And then something happened between 1977 and when our show takes place in 2004 (when Claire arrived eight months pregnant) where it’s been a long time since women have been able to have babies on the island. What might have happened between those two points that could have created fertility issues?”
Really? The inability of women on the island to have babies was a central idea of the first three seasons. Hell, its the entire reason Juliet came to the island. I mean, are they hinting that the Jughead explosion and the ensuing radiation caused that, but how does that jive with the timelines? Makes no sense.


Yes it does.

so i guess jacob must have touched michael at some point too.
remember those couple of times when he tried to kill himself?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoyd1fe2x4g

"You can go now Michael."

[Beebz]

Cuse and Lindeloff have said numerous times this year that the flash sideways events and current island events are going to merge together. I enjoy the FS, this show has always been about the characters, so seeing how different or same some of their lives are with the plane not crashing is great. I think there is a lot in the FS that is starting to mirror what's happening on the island.

For example, Sayid. On the island he became infected and ended up giving in to all the evil that is inside him. In the FS, we saw Sayid trying to be a better man yet in the end he gives in to who he really is. Then look at Ben. On the island he's been a SOB, lying and manipulating his entire life, always putting the island or his motives ahead of everyone and everything. In the FS he had a redemption of sorts, he finally put someone else in front of him and things worked out. For lack of better term he 'saved' Alex in the FS, and along the same time he saved Alex, he became part of the group on the beach.

Yeah, that's all well and good, but who cares? Its more like a nice little webisode moment than essential storytelling that dominates half an episode. There's no emotional connection and no reason to care because we dont know why we should.

To me, its always been about the island and how those characters fit into that place. The island info is infinitely more interesting that some character-driven side story. Could be a personal preference, but Im far from the only one questioning the relavence of these FS stories.