LOST (the tv show)

[Beebz]

Its insanely frustrating that Lost continues its predictable pattern of great episode/weak episode. And if you look at the scores for the upcoming episodes (http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_RrObyQ3XzcY/S55BNNaCMVI/AAAAAAAAyMI/E7H2YdNCT28/s1600-h/newscorecared.png), the pattern rears its ugly head again. I dont get it.

[Beebz]

Sorry, I didn't know I wasn't allowed to have an opinion. :(

I was just giving you a hard time. The love story shit (and Kate is particular) is the anchor that has dragged down this show since season 3.

[Beebz]

So Desmond's obviously on Widmore's sub, right? And that's the person Jacob was trying to get to the island, right?

[CaffeineQueen]

I was just giving you a hard time. The love story shit (and Kate is particular) is the anchor that has dragged down this show since season 3.

:p:p

So Desmond's obviously on Widmore's sub, right? And that's the person Jacob was trying to get to the island, right?

ooooh, interesting.

[breckbrew]

So Desmond's obviously on Widmore's sub, right? And that's the person Jacob was trying to get to the island, right?

I could have sworn he was one of the people helping to set up the "permiter" machines to help keep smokey out. That's why I don't understand why people are saying widmore is on team smokey? What so far makes you think that?

Also, its getting interesting to see the Shepard family taking sides in this thing. Jack is being recruited for Team Jacob, Claire is on Team Smokey. Jack's dad has made numerous appearences and seems to be w/Jacob. The Shepard's must have some weird family history.

As for the plot development, I mean, we know something big is coming and, since this is the final season, we know it will probably come later in the season, so I'm not sure why everyone is getting all worked up about episodes that set the stage for this. Sure, this episode didn't provide a lot of answers or provide some fireworks, but you shouldn't expect that yet.

[Beebz]

I could have sworn he was one of the people helping to set up the "permiter" machines to help keep smokey out. That's why I don't understand why people are saying widmore is on team smokey? What so far makes you think that?

Also, its getting interesting to see the Shepard family taking sides in this thing. Jack is being recruited for Team Jacob, Claire is on Team Smokey. Jack's dad has made numerous appearences and seems to be w/Jacob. The Shepard's must have some weird family history.

As for the plot development, I mean, we know something big is coming and, since this is the final season, we know it will probably come later in the season, so I'm not sure why everyone is getting all worked up about episodes that set the stage for this. Sure, this episode didn't provide a lot of answers or provide some fireworks, but you shouldn't expect that yet.

Maybe they're setting up the machines to protect themselves from Smokey because they dont trust his end of the deal. I dont take anything Widmore says at face value. At all. For all we know, those sonic posts could be a complete ruse.

Its just hard to imagine Widmore getting booted off the island if he was aligned with Jacob since the beginning. Even less so because he sent a freighter to the island to kill half its inhabitants. Hell, he might not be on either side. He could be all for himself.

[breckbrew]

Maybe they're setting up the machines to protect themselves from Smokey because they dont trust his end of the deal. I dont take anything Widmore says at face value. At all. For all we know, those sonic posts could be a complete ruse.

Its just hard to imagine Widmore getting booted off the island if he was aligned with Jacob since the beginning. Even less so because he sent a freighter to the island to kill half its inhabitants. Hell, he might not be on either side. He could be all for himself.

I like this theory. Now that I think about it, he's probably in it for himself and not on either side.

[jmkratt]

I could have sworn he was one of the people helping to set up the "permiter" machines to help keep smokey out. That's why I don't understand why people are saying widmore is on team smokey? What so far makes you think that?


There was a dude that kinda looked like him but I didn't think it was Desmond, I will have to re-watch.

[TapNorris]

I could have sworn he was one of the people helping to set up the "permiter" machines to help keep smokey out. That's why I don't understand why people are saying widmore is on team smokey? What so far makes you think that?

Also, its getting interesting to see the Shepard family taking sides in this thing. Jack is being recruited for Team Jacob, Claire is on Team Smokey. Jack's dad has made numerous appearences and seems to be w/Jacob. The Shepard's must have some weird family history.

As for the plot development, I mean, we know something big is coming and, since this is the final season, we know it will probably come later in the season, so I'm not sure why everyone is getting all worked up about episodes that set the stage for this. Sure, this episode didn't provide a lot of answers or provide some fireworks, but you shouldn't expect that yet.



Could be Desmond, but I doubt it.

[41ravens]

i don't think they would just throw desmond in the background without any sort of acknowledgement that he was there. when/if he comes back, i'm thinking it's going to be a big deal and will deserve more introduction than setting up a post in the background of a scene.

obvious filler, but i didn't hate the episode. i will say this for the alternate timelines: they're making them interesting. whatever the fuck they mean, though, i'm still completely lost on. really hoping they manage to tie the two stories together seamlessly.

the thing that really got my attention this episode was flocke's mentioning of aaron. i thought the kid's story was pretty much done, but methinks he may end up being a very important piece in all of this.

also, terry o'quinn is a badass. he has been nothing short of spectacular this season.

[jmkratt]

i don't think they would just throw desmond in the background without any sort of acknowledgement that he was there. when/if he comes back, i'm thinking it's going to be a big deal and will deserve more introduction than setting up a post in the background of a scene.

Agreed

[TwoStep2888]

that episode sucked out loud.

[wampa3]

i don't think they would just throw desmond in the background without any sort of acknowledgement that he was there. when/if he comes back, i'm thinking it's going to be a big deal and will deserve more introduction than setting up a post in the background of a scene.

obvious filler, but i didn't hate the episode. i will say this for the alternate timelines: they're making them interesting. whatever the fuck they mean, though, i'm still completely lost on. really hoping they manage to tie the two stories together seamlessly.

the thing that really got my attention this episode was flocke's mentioning of aaron. i thought the kid's story was pretty much done, but methinks he may end up being a very important piece in all of this.

also, terry o'quinn is a badass. he has been nothing short of spectacular this season.
I just rewatched that scene. While my gut tells me that this isn't the case, based on the way MIB has been acting with Claire and Kate, I keep getting this growing suspicion that Aaron is MIB. He has shown a lot of care and affection towards Kate and a lot of frustration with Claire. When he spoke about his mother, the words he used made it seem like this very well might be the case. Here is what was said:

Flocke: I know what you're feeling Kate. I know what you are going through.
Kate: And how do you know that?
Flocke: Because, (pauses, points back to the group of people) my mother was crazy.

This could be interpretted to mean two things, 1) MIB is Aaron and his crazy mother is Claire and he is sympathizing with Kate because she was a good foster-mom and loved him, or 2) MIB isn't Aaron and this is just another case in this show where history is repeating itself. If it just means that history is repeating itself, wouldn't that indicate that Aaron is destined to become the next MIB? I feel like either case requires a lot of story telling to become true, but I don't see how it could pan out any other way based on what we know thus far.

[clcfball11]

One of the worst endings to any episode ever. Overall episode was okay....but that ending, I literally chuckled.

"We aren't flyin', Kate......" *emotional glance at her* "We're taking the sub."




LOST

[clcfball11]

I just rewatched that scene. While my gut tells me that this isn't the case, based on the way MIB has been acting with Claire and Kate, I keep getting this growing suspicion that Aaron is MIB. He has shown a lot of care and affection towards Kate and a lot of frustration with Claire. When he spoke about his mother, the words he used made it seem like this very well might be the case. Here is what was said:

Flocke: I know what you're feeling Kate. I know what you are going through.
Kate: And how do you know that?
Flocke: Because, (pauses, points back to the group of people) my mother was crazy.

This could be interpretted to mean two things, 1) MIB is Aaron and his crazy mother is Claire and he is sympathizing with Kate because she was a good foster-mom and loved him, or 2) MIB isn't Aaron and this is just another case in this show where history is repeating itself. If it just means that history is repeating itself, wouldn't that indicate that Aaron is destined to become the next MIB? I feel like either case requires a lot of story telling to become true, but I don't see how it could pan out any other way based on what we know thus far.

I like the MIB and Aaron connection...but how in God's name would they BE the same person? MIB was on the island in the 1840's for christ sake.

This show never fails to make me crazy haha

[uro55]

I like the MIB and Aaron connection...but how in God's name would they BE the same person? MIB was on the island in the 1840's for christ sake.

This show never fails to make me crazy haha

And time travel NEVER comes into play in this show :lol

[TapNorris]

that episode sucked out loud.

Hey! I say that! I can't have the same line as a liberal! ;)

[clcfball11]

And time travel NEVER comes into play in this show :lol

Well yeah, but THAT type of time travel? Considering Claire GAVE BIRTH to Aaron in what, 2008? That would mean we'd have some type of reincarnation taking place, right? I'm trying to think of a scenario that would allow for that to happen.

[TapNorris]

One of the worst endings to any episode ever. Overall episode was okay....but that ending, I literally chuckled.

"We aren't flyin', Kate......" *emotional glance at her* "We're taking the sub."




LOST

Totally agree. Why the dramatic music for something we all knew he was going to say?

[javierm27]

One of the worst endings to any episode ever. Overall episode was okay....but that ending, I literally chuckled.

"We aren't flyin', Kate......" *emotional glance at her* "We're taking the hot tub time machine."




LOST

I don't think you heard it right, you should see it again.

[wampa3]

Well yeah, but THAT type of time travel? Considering Claire GAVE BIRTH to Aaron in what, 2008? That would mean we'd have some type of reincarnation taking place, right? I'm trying to think of a scenario that would allow for that to happen.
These are the questions that makes my theory sound crazy, but if you rewatch that scene, the whole episode even, with the thought that Aaron is MIB, it all seems to fit so well and make sense.

[jkrue22]

These are the questions that makes my theory sound crazy, but if you rewatch that scene, the whole episode even, with the thought that Aaron is MIB, it all seems to fit so well and make sense.

I'm with you wampa. :thumbsup

I still think FLocke could be Aaron... there's a reason we don't know his name yet. Aaron was raised by another (An Other?) and now he's fully evil. This would also explain the "crazy mother" connection...

[41ravens]

doc's recap is up. i enjoyed this one. very interesting theory on mib:

mib is farraday, or at least some reincarnation of his soul. one could make a pretty good argument that eloise could be seen as a "crazy mother" to a young child. and who do we know is farraday's daddy? widmore. dun dun duuuuuuunnnnnn

[Beebz]

I just rewatched that scene. While my gut tells me that this isn't the case, based on the way MIB has been acting with Claire and Kate, I keep getting this growing suspicion that Aaron is MIB. He has shown a lot of care and affection towards Kate and a lot of frustration with Claire. When he spoke about his mother, the words he used made it seem like this very well might be the case. Here is what was said:

Flocke: I know what you're feeling Kate. I know what you are going through.
Kate: And how do you know that?
Flocke: Because, (pauses, points back to the group of people) my mother was crazy.

This could be interpretted to mean two things, 1) MIB is Aaron and his crazy mother is Claire and he is sympathizing with Kate because she was a good foster-mom and loved him, or 2) MIB isn't Aaron and this is just another case in this show where history is repeating itself. If it just means that history is repeating itself, wouldn't that indicate that Aaron is destined to become the next MIB? I feel like either case requires a lot of story telling to become true, but I don't see how it could pan out any other way based on what we know thus far.

It would be absolutely terrible if this came to pass. I don't care how they explain it. Even if "getting off the island" means being reborn, both literally and figuratively, this would be so ridiculous and contrived that it would send half the fanbase packing.

One of the worst endings to any episode ever. Overall episode was okay....but that ending, I literally chuckled.

"We aren't flyin', Kate......" *emotional glance at her* "We're taking the sub."

LOST

All this needed was David Caruso putting on sunglasses and the YEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH in the background.

"We aint flying Kate, we're (puts on sunglasses) takin the sub."

YEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH

I like the MIB and Aaron connection...but how in God's name would they BE the same person? MIB was on the island in the 1840's for christ sake.

This show never fails to make me crazy haha

It makes no sense at all. At ALL.

[Beebz]

doc's recap is up. i enjoyed this one. very interesting theory on mib:

mib is farraday, or at least some reincarnation of his soul. one could make a pretty good argument that eloise could be seen as a "crazy mother" to a young child. and who do we know is farraday's daddy? widmore. dun dun duuuuuuunnnnnn

That makes even less sense than Aaron. Are we down to the point where we're throwing anything at the wall to see what sticks?

[RJP2741]

That makes even less sense than Aaron. Are we down to the point where we're throwing anything at the wall to see what sticks?

Yes. I personally think Walt is Smokie.

Edit: Not racist.

[clcfball11]

Next week's episode is seriously the moment of truth. I think it can be assumed that we ACTUALLY get some answers during that episode.

Will it be satisfying? I hope so...an underwhelming episode next week, after all the hype, would really be a let down and make me pessimistic about the remainder of the series.

[pathetic]

Yes. I personally think Walt is Smokie.

edit: not racist

walt = illana

[Beebz]

Yes. I personally think Walt is Smokie.

Edit: Not racist.

:lol:lol:lol

Next week's episode is seriously the moment of truth. I think it can be assumed that we ACTUALLY get some answers during that episode.

Will it be satisfying? I hope so...an underwhelming episode next week, after all the hype, would really be a let down and make me pessimistic about the remainder of the series.

Ab Aeterno scored the highest in the darkUFO ratings. Even with the new batch of episodes scored (everything up to the finale), Ab Aeterno is STILL the highest with a 9.6 aggregate. It is going to rape face.

[uro55]

How can anyone say a theory about this show makes no sense? It's a fantasy/time travel/Sci-Fi show. ANYTHING is possible.

[RJP2741]

How can anyone say a theory about this show makes no sense? It's a fantasy/time travel/Sci-Fi show. ANYTHING is possible.

There are some theories that just seem like coincidences for coincidence sake. I think making Aaron into Smokie is one of those. Yes, its feasible, because they've created this elaborate time traveling world and alternate realities(maybe), but making Aaron turn out to be Smokie would be an abuse of the creative liberties that time travel allows you.

[Beebz]

There are some theories that just seem like coincidences for coincidence sake. I think making Aaron into Smokie is one of those. Yes, its feasible, because they've created this elaborate time traveling world and alternate realities(maybe), but making Aaron turn out to be Smokie would be an abuse of the creative liberties that time travel allows you.

This.

[Beebz]

a semi-spoiler/conjecture about the Island's identity:

E!'s Kristin Dos Santos has been teasing a four-letter word with one-vowel (an "o") that describes the Island. Some people have been guessing "womb" and "tomb," both of which I think could be feasible... apparently whatever it is, we'll learn the word next week

Lost :lol

Yup, my vote is LOST!

I'm thinking it's "port" or "dock"

It's Cork

[Beebz]

^^^^^

Guess that didnt work. Its cork

[uro55]

There are some theories that just seem like coincidences for coincidence sake. I think making Aaron into Smokie is one of those. Yes, its feasible, because they've created this elaborate time traveling world and alternate realities(maybe), but making Aaron turn out to be Smokie would be an abuse of the creative liberties that time travel allows you.

I disagree, but to each their own:)

[RJP2741]

I disagree, but to each their own:)

I'd be willing to change my opinion if it was done in an interesting way. But I don't think we've seen anything up to this point to really suggest that this theory may be true. It just seems to convenient a tie-in for me, like the writers were sitting there saying "How can we make these characters even more coincidentally connected than they already are?"

[uro55]

like the writers were sitting there saying "How can we make these characters even more coincidentally connected than they already are?"

Right on, I can for sure see where you're coming from with this/here.

[junior94]

I had a question randomly hit me earlier calling back to the premiere. When Dogen & Lennon read the piece of paper hidden inside the guitar case and informed Hurley that it said that if they didn't help save Sayid's life that they were all in a lot of trouble, well that would certainly seem to suggest, since Jacob gave Hurley that case before he boarded flight 316, that Jacob foresaw Sayid getting shot and needing saving.

And yet, when we see Jacob in the premiere talking with Hurley by the van, looking over Sayid's bloody body, he sure as hell looks like he's been thrown for a loop by Sayid's condition and trying to figure out what to do (and like telling Hurley to take him to the temple was a sudden "light bulb" moment).

WTF?

[RJP2741]

I had a question randomly hit me earlier calling back to the premiere. When Dogen & Lennon read the piece of paper hidden inside the guitar case and informed Hurley that it said that if they didn't help save Sayid's life that they were all in a lot of trouble, well that would certainly seem to suggest, since Jacob gave Hurley that case before he boarded flight 316, that Jacob foresaw Sayid getting shot and needing saving.

And yet, when we see Jacob in the premiere talking with Hurley by the van, looking over Sayid's bloody body, he sure as hell looks like he's been thrown for a loop by Sayid's condition and trying to figure out what to do (and like telling Hurley to take him to the temple was a sudden "light bulb" moment).

WTF?

Didn't the piece of paper in the guitar case just have their names on it? I thought Hurley was the one that explained what Jacob had said to Dogen and co. I could be wrong though.

[41ravens]

two things about miles last night.

1. who do we think his girlfriend is? knowing lost, this wasn't just mentioned for shits and grins. my money is on naomi.

2. found it interesting that charlotte worked at a museum with his father. so apparently, much like ben, not only did chang make it off the island, but they obviously have somewhat of a close relationship.

this sideways stuff is really intriguing, which makes me even more anxious to see where they're going with it. why do i keep thinking we're going to have a big sideways reunion at some point. and, stealing a theory from doc jensen, why do i think it's going to be at locke's wedding? and i'll expand on that theory and guess that the priest/minister will be none other than our buddy jacob.

[junior94]

Didn't the piece of paper in the guitar case just have their names on it? I thought Hurley was the one that explained what Jacob had said to Dogen and co. I could be wrong though.

Yea the sheet of paper had the names of the small gang of Losties (including Sayid's) but when Hurley cried out that after all he'd been thru he deserved to know exactly what the note said, Lennon replied "It said that if your friend there dies, we're all in a lot of trouble."

two things about miles last night.

1. who do we think his girlfriend is? knowing lost, this wasn't just mentioned for shits and grins. my money is on naomi.

2. found it interesting that charlotte worked at a museum with his father. so apparently, much like ben, not only did chang make it off the island, but they obviously have somewhat of a close relationship.

this sideways stuff is really intriguing, which makes me even more anxious to see where they're going with it. why do i keep thinking we're going to have a big sideways reunion at some point. and, stealing a theory from doc jensen, why do i think it's going to be at locke's wedding? and i'll expand on that theory and guess that the priest/minister will be none other than our buddy jacob.

Speaking of Miles' pops, did anyone else think when he referenced his father in the dialog that we were gonna get our first s6 Pierre Chang sighting?

Also, and yea this is an incredibly inconsequential detail, but I wonder what's the genesis of Miles' last name Straum. I mean yea okay it's relatively normal to not share your father's last name, but even if it's his mother's maiden name, an Asian woman named Straum... ? (and I don't mean the writers' explanation of Miles Straum=Maelstrom)

[wampa3]

Didn't the piece of paper in the guitar case just have their names on it? I thought Hurley was the one that explained what Jacob had said to Dogen and co. I could be wrong though.
You're right, it didn't say in Jacob's note that Sayid needed to be saved. That was just inferred by Dogen since Sayid was a candidate and was on the list of people that Jacob provided.

[javierm27]

Has anyone in here seen Vanilla Sky by Cameron Crowe? If so, do you guys see any similarities with LOST. I just finished watching this movie again and noticed some similarities.

[CrashTheStone41]

Vanilla Sky is such a great movie... I haven't seen it in a while but now I must just to see if there are connections... I'll get back to ya Javier

[javierm27]

Vanilla Sky is such a great movie... I haven't seen it in a while but now I must just to see if there are connections... I'll get back to ya Javier

Cool, the similarities weren't mind blowing but they were there. Such a great movie. If you have the DVD version you should check out the commentary with Crowe, if only the last scene that starts in the elevator with Tech support. Its interesting and gave me a new perspective and some great insight on the movie.

[gocubsgo3822]

Just read Entertainment Weekly's LOST recap and gotta say im gonna pe pretty pissed off if Smokey is Faradays sniffling punk ass or Aaron.

[Beefsteak1138]

Have these been posted yet?

http://i39.tinypic.com/r1latf.jpg
http://i40.tinypic.com/15evgyb.jpg

[CaffeineQueen]

Have these been posted yet?

http://i39.tinypic.com/r1latf.jpg
http://i40.tinypic.com/15evgyb.jpg

:lol:lol

the first one was, but not the second :thumbsup

[water_into_wine]

Just read Entertainment Weekly's LOST recap and gotta say im gonna pe pretty pissed off if Smokey is Faradays sniffling punk ass or Aaron.

It definitely isn't Farraday at least. Jensen is pretty insane and almost never right when it comes to theories. I only read him to catch the little things that I may have missed or references.

Vozzek is much better but even then I feel like he worries over the most minute details but I think that is just a general flaw in all Lost fans. I did like Vozzek's new theory that the "sickness" reduces you to the mind of a child. Kind of explains Claire's behavior.

[breckbrew]

I was hoping kate would get in Sayid's face about not helping her when Claire went bananas. The old Sayid would never have let that happen.

[hulupputree]

favorite parts:
The Slap!
Kate not taking Flocke's hand when he offered to help her up


but...I was so scared for Kate when Claire apologized and offered her a hug. Seems odd Kate was so trusting in this scene...

[mr.MikeD]

i'm trying really really hard to like this season enough to live up to my expectations.

[junior94]

I'm not sure if I've already said this (might've been somewhere else) but you'd all be smart to temper your expectations as much as you can in the run up to Tuesday. I feel this episode's gonna suffer from Phantom Menace-itis, that it can't possibly live up to the hype, no matter how good it is (though in all fairness, PM really did suck :p). Plus since plenty of you have been relatively disappointed with much of the season so far.

[mr.MikeD]

that episode sucked out loud.
this. unfortunately.

and of course in the next week on (chill the fuck out everyone i'm not giving anything away) we get the "there will be big answers to big questions! dun dun dun!"

my only thought is - bullshit there will be.

[CrashTheStone41]

I was hoping kate would get in Sayid's face about not helping her when Claire went bananas. The old Sayid would never have let that happen.

Sayid is done for... his entire persona is different....

[zigbaldi]

I am wondering about the whole war thing Widmore told locke about and how many sides there are, and who's on who's side.

We know Illana and her group are on Jacobs side
We know about Smokey and his side. He is obviously against Jacob.

But where does Widmore fit in? on one of the 2 sides, or on another 3rd side by himself?

It would seem like he is not on Smokey's side from the dialog between widmore and sawyer this week, and the dialog between smokey and sawyer. Also they are setting up the perimeter fence to keep smokey out. He also has something locked in that room in the sub(which may not have anything to do with smokey or not.

However if you remember when widmore recruited Miles to go to the island, Bram(Illana's group) told Miles not to go, and spoke bad of Widmore. So that would seem to indicate widmore isn't with Jacob either.......

[zigbaldi]

I hope they explain how the Statue broke too......

and can someone confirm whether Dr Chang is dead or not for me?

[water_into_wine]

I hope they explain how the Statue broke too......

and can someone confirm whether Dr Chang is dead or not for me?

He's not.

[CaffeineQueen]

I am wondering about the whole war thing Widmore told locke about and how many sides there are, and who's on who's side.

We know Illana and her group are on Jacobs side
We know about Smokey and his side. He is obviously against Jacob.

But where does Widmore fit in? on one of the 2 sides, or on another 3rd side by himself?

It would seem like he is not on Smokey's side from the dialog between widmore and sawyer this week, and the dialog between smokey and sawyer. Also they are setting up the perimeter fence to keep smokey out. He also has something locked in that room in the sub(which may not have anything to do with smokey or not.

However if you remember when widmore recruited Miles to go to the island, Bram(Illana's group) told Miles not to go, and spoke bad of Widmore. So that would seem to indicate widmore isn't with Jacob either.......

I've kind of been thinking there are 3 sides for a while, I don't know how it would all work though.

Also, I'm getting confused, but I think it's because of my own over analysis. So, the original others, I really think they were team Jacob but I think when Ben took over, they weren't really, whether it was unknowingly or not. I don't think they were team smokey, so it makes me think there may be a 3rd party.

I don't know. I just want answers already, I'm getting slightly frustrated.

[Styx Cover Band]

I hope they explain how the Statue broke too......

and can someone confirm whether Dr Chang is dead or not for me?

He's not.

Yeah he's not, I just recently saw him on a Pepsi commercial. Looks like he is doing quite well for himself

[twistedmind1586]

Anyone else remember when Ben called out Smokey to do some work on the freighter people near the end of season three? It's probably irrelevant at this point, but I just found it interesting how he even knew the way to get Smokey to come out.

[zigbaldi]

Anyone else remember when Ben called out Smokey to do some work on the freighter people near the end of season three? It's probably irrelevant at this point, but I just found it interesting how he even knew the way to get Smokey to come out.


that was interesting.........

was smokey decieving him the whole time??

also that made me think......smokey killed all those military guys from the boat, so i doubt him and widmore are on the same side.

[junior94]

also that made me think......smokey killed all those military guys from the boat, so i doubt him and widmore are on the same side.

Well, I felt it was kinda suggested that the "secondary protocol" of Keamy and his men trying to kill everyone else on the island wasn't necessarily part of Widmore's direction, that that was more out of Keamy going rogue because he's just got such a blood lust.

[junior94]

And has anyone else here ever tried submitting a question for the ones that get read on the podcasts? There's the one area for it on the official ABC website ("Ask LOST") but after I click send, I get a page not found message, so I just went ahead and sent a regular email from my Gmail address to the address they give in the podcasts, the lostfanquestions@abc.com. I'm just wondering anyone else who's ever tried it, did you go thru just one of those ways, or both or what.

[DerekJTR2]

Is anyone actually enjoying this?

I can't get over how bad it is. There's only 8 -9 episodes left and they continue to stumble around with these weak stalling episodes.

[Beebz]

It definitely isn't Farraday at least. Jensen is pretty insane and almost never right when it comes to theories. I only read him to catch the little things that I may have missed or references.

Vozzek is much better but even then I feel like he worries over the most minute details but I think that is just a general flaw in all Lost fans. I did like Vozzek's new theory that the "sickness" reduces you to the mind of a child. Kind of explains Claire's behavior.

1000 percent correct.

this. unfortunately.

and of course in the next week on (chill the fuck out everyone i'm not giving anything away) we get the "there will be big answers to big questions! dun dun dun!"

my only thought is - bullshit there will be.

This week the writers will actually deliver on the promise. Dont miss Ab Aeterno.

[DerekJTR2]

The funny thing is, that in the REAL timeline, the cover almost no ground in the episode. In Ben's episode he went from a hole to not in a hole :lol

[JTRocks]

Is anyone actually enjoying this?

I can't get over how bad it is. There's only 8 -9 episodes left and they continue to stumble around with these weak stalling episodes.

i'm enjoying it for what it is...the last season, but i totally agree with you, the flash sideways parts of the episodes are really going nowhere. I dont see what any of these flash sideways things lead up to. During the sawyer one, i was skimming thru all the flash sideways stuff because ultimately its useless, and dont even try to tell me otherwise

[s0628711]

i'm enjoying it for what it is...the last season, but i totally agree with you, the flash sideways parts of the episodes are really going nowhere. I dont see what any of these flash sideways things lead up to. During the sawyer one, i was skimming thru all the flash sideways stuff because ultimately its useless, and dont even try to tell me otherwise
Do you really think they'd give you half an episode a night of "useless"? I mean, it's impossible to tell at this point what the actual reason for sideways is, but I have faith that it will tie itself in towards the end of the season.

[scrock25]

Do you really think they'd give you half an episode a night of "useless"? I mean, it's impossible to tell at this point what the actual reason for sideways is, but I have faith that it will tie itself in towards the end of the season.

Correct, nothing (especially something as big as the narrative) means nothing on the show.

People complaining about the flash sideways always makes me laugh because even in the middle of the last season of the show people still don't seem to have any faith that the people running/writing the show know what they're doing.

They obviously do.

[jkrue22]

I had a dream about Lost last night... I think I was wheeling Locke through the airport or something, with other characters around. Wish I could remember the details better :lol

[s0628711]

Correct, nothing (especially something as big as the narrative) means nothing on the show.

People complaining about the flash sideways always makes me laugh because even in the middle of the last season of the show people still don't seem to have any faith that the people running/writing the show know what they're doing.

They obviously do.
Right? If you've lost faith that the show will tie itself up at the end, then why still watch? I mean, this is the last season so if you don't believe it has a point, then really, move on. I myself think that the sideways reality has EVERYTHING to do with how the show will end up. It's clear that the show is building to a point where the timelines will again alter (re-correct, combine, other) and it's going to be awesome.

[javierm27]

Is anyone actually enjoying this?

I can't get over how bad it is. There's only 8 -9 episodes left and they continue to stumble around with these weak stalling episodes.

i'm enjoying it for what it is...the last season, but i totally agree with you, the flash sideways parts of the episodes are really going nowhere. I dont see what any of these flash sideways things lead up to. During the sawyer one, i was skimming thru all the flash sideways stuff because ultimately its useless, and dont even try to tell me otherwise

Keep making comments like this please. This is how great sigs are created.

[DerekJTR2]

Keep making comments like this please. This is how great sigs are created.

I don't get it
Do you really think they'd give you half an episode a night of "useless"? I mean, it's impossible to tell at this point what the actual reason for sideways is, but I have faith that it will tie itself in towards the end of the season.

I actually like the alternate timelines but this is the last season, I can't believe they are still plodding along the same way.

A show that has been criticized it's entire run for it's vagueness and lack of answers and they are pussyfooting around like this with 8 episodes left?

I really hate that I started watching Lost and I really can't explain why I've stuck with it so long. :thumbsdow PLEASSSSE let Richard's episode be good.

[CrashTheStone41]

I don't get it


I actually like the alternate timelines but this is the last season, I can't believe they are still plodding along the same way.

A show that has been criticized it's entire run for it's vagueness and lack of answers and they are pussyfooting around like this with 8 episodes left?

I really hate that I started watching Lost and I really can't explain why I've stuck with it so long. :thumbsdow PLEASSSSE let Richard's episode be good.

Me too... If I hadn't watched all the seasons before I wouldn't be watching now... Too much time invested to just leave the show behind

[DerekJTR2]

Me too... If I hadn't watched all the seasons before I wouldn't be watching now... Too much time invested to just leave the show behind

Exactly. But whatever, some of it was fun. But shouldn't I have felt satisfied at some point over 6 seasons? lol

[CrashTheStone41]

Exactly. But whatever, some of it was fun. But shouldn't I have felt satisfied at some point over 6 seasons? lol

I've moved to FlashForward - hopefully that will satisfy

[Beebz]

So according to spoiler sites, we will, at some point this season, discover who the skeletons in the cave are, and who built the Frozen Donkey Wheel.

[Beebz]

Also--and this isnt a spoiler--MiB will make an appearance in tomorrow's episode.

[RJP2741]

Also--and this isnt a spoiler--MiB will make an appearance in tomorrow's episode.

:thumbsup:thumbsup Makes sense, with the episode essentially being the origin story for Richard.

[Beebz]

teh funniez:

http://filmdrunk.uproxx.com/?attachment_id=25979

[RJP2741]

http://forum.lostpedia.com/dinasaur-head-lost-t19893p201.html

A whole thread dedicated to the kind of thing bbianca just posted. Some of them are pretty good.

[junior94]

So according to spoiler sites, we will, at some point this season, discover who the skeletons in the cave are, and who built the Frozen Donkey Wheel.

Well see this is what I thought was kinda odd in "Lighthouse", that moment where they found the two bodies again. It seemed as if they were giving it this moment to bring some finality to it, but ironically pretty much nothing that was said in that scene would've led you to their identities, that if you weren't already aware of the season 3 anagram that pointed to Bernard & Rose, you'd still have no idea. So all in all I remember thinking I didn't see what the point was at all with them bringing up the skeletons again right then.


btw don't know if it's been posted already, but according to Damon's twitter from a few days ago, apparently as of yesterday the finale officially exists :) Now it'll be really interesting to see how much of it leaks before May, hell I'm sure even just the scripts for the finale were VERY tightly controlled (non-copyable paper, each one connected to the cast member it was given to, etc).

[Beebz]

Well see this is what I thought was kinda odd in "Lighthouse", that moment where they found the two bodies again. It seemed as if they were giving it this moment to bring some finality to it, but ironically pretty much nothing that was said in that scene would've led you to their identities, that if you weren't already aware of the season 3 anagram that pointed to Bernard & Rose, you'd still have no idea. So all in all I remember thinking I didn't see what the point was at all with them bringing up the skeletons again right then.

btw don't know if it's been posted already, but according to Damon's twitter from a few days ago, apparently as of yesterday the finale officially exists :) Now it'll be really interesting to see how much of it leaks before May, hell I'm sure even just the scripts for the finale were VERY tightly controlled (non-copyable paper, each one connected to the cast member it was given to, etc).

It'll leak. Everything leaks these days. Im not going to look for any info on it, but it will leak. There are just too many people involved in the shooting for it to stay contained.

Now, I think certain plot points will remain hidden and there is verifiable word that scenes for the series finale were shot with Walt and Jack four years ago. Whether they still factor in I dont know. But anything could be on the table.

[41ravens]

It'll leak. Everything leaks these days. Im not going to look for any info on it, but it will leak. There are just too many people involved in the shooting for it to stay contained.

Now, I think certain plot points will remain hidden and there is verifiable word that scenes for the series finale were shot with Walt and Jack four years ago. Whether they still factor in I dont know. But anything could be on the table.

really? i did not know that.

[GinaNMU]

Is anyone actually enjoying this?

I can't get over how bad it is. There's only 8 -9 episodes left and they continue to stumble around with these weak stalling episodes.

The funny thing is, that in the REAL timeline, the cover almost no ground in the episode. In Ben's episode he went from a hole to not in a hole :lol

I read stuff like this and seriously wonder if we watched the same episodes/show :lol It sucks that you can't enjoy it.

[Beebz]

I read stuff like this and seriously wonder if we watched the same episodes/show :lol It sucks that you can't enjoy it.

I enjoy the show very much. But I am concerned/irritated by the flash sideways. The writers made a serious error in not relating to the audience what these things are. It removes all meaning and relevance from the story and relegates them to glorified webisodes.

Ive said this before--you shouldn't have to rewatch an entire season of a show for half of it to make sense.

[RJP2741]

I enjoy the show very much. But I am concerned/irritated by the flash sideways. The writers made a serious error in not relating to the audience what these things are. It removes all meaning and relevance from the story and relegates them to glorified webisodes.

Ive said this before--you shouldn't have to rewatch an entire season of a show for half of it to make sense.

I didn't initially agree with you on this, but at this point, you're correct. I was willing to give them 4 or 5, but we're now 8 hours in and we have no more insight (arguably less since the cut on Jack's neck seemed to be the only clue of its kind) than we did in the premiere. I'm sure I will LOVE rewatching them after this season is said and done, but you're right, we shouldn't have to do that to find the value in them.

I don't hate the flash-sideways idea, I think it could have been cool, but through 8 episodes all they have done is recycle old flashbacks with new, small, inconsistencies.

[davidhamrick10]

Do you really think they'd give you half an episode a night of "useless"? I mean, it's impossible to tell at this point what the actual reason for sideways is, but I have faith that it will tie itself in towards the end of the season.
I think Doc Jensen might actually be right in his prediction that the flash sideways will end at Locke's weddind with everyone being there for one reason or another. They have been setting that up all season.

[Beebz]

I think Doc Jensen might actually be right in his prediction that the flash sideways will end at Locke's weddind with everyone being there for one reason or another. They have been setting that up all season.

lol, wut?

[tosssweep]

I enjoy the show very much. But I am concerned/irritated by the flash sideways. The writers made a serious error in not relating to the audience what these things are. It removes all meaning and relevance from the story and relegates them to glorified webisodes.

Ive said this before--you shouldn't have to rewatch an entire season of a show for half of it to make sense.

While I understand the frustration with the flash sideways and it being the final season, isn't the entire show built on the pretense that subsequent rewatching will unveil clues to the viewers???

If not, then why do most fans rewatch the series (if not a season or two) before each new season? I don't hear of anyone doing that for the Simpsons or Chuck or whatever. What makes Lost unique (and granted, incredibly frustrating) is that it has such a living relationship with its fans! Meaning that mysteries are developed, clues sprinkled, and questions created so that fans can theorize by examining and re-examining the 'evidence' multiple times from multiple angles.

Lost has always been about patience and payoffs.

[RJP2741]

I think Doc Jensen might actually be right in his prediction that the flash sideways will end at Locke's weddind with everyone being there for one reason or another. They have been setting that up all season.

Its certainly possible, but who have they set up to be there besides Locke and Sawyer really? I guess Miles by extension of Sawyer. And they could stretch to get Jack there. Maybe he befriends Ben at the school. Otherwise I'm not really sure how Sayid and Jin fit into that, or Kate/Claire.

[RJP2741]

While I understand the frustration with the flash sideways and it being the final season, isn't the entire show built on the pretense that subsequent rewatching will unveil clues to the viewers???

If not, then why do most fans rewatch the series (if not a season or two) before each new season? I don't hear of anyone doing that for the Simpsons or Chuck or whatever. What makes Lost unique (and granted, incredibly frustrating) is that it has such a living relationship with its fans! Meaning that mysteries are developed, clues sprinkled, and questions created so that fans can theorize by examining and re-examining the 'evidence' multiple times from multiple angles.

Lost has always been about patience and payoffs.

You're right, I love rewatching the seasons. But the difference is, the first time around still held some value. This season, the flash-sideways don't resonate with me because they're recycled stories and we have received no indications of what they mean or what they are working towards.

The flashbacks were rewarding the first time around because it provided us with depth for each of the characters. The flash-forwards were rewarding because we were able to see glimpses of what happened to these people after they managed to get off the island. The flash-sideways are not rewarding because we don't have the slightest clue what they are showing us.

[breckbrew]

You're right, I love rewatching the seasons. But the difference is, the first time around still held some value. This season, the flash-sideways don't resonate with me because they're recycled stories and we have received no indications of what they mean or what they are working towards.

The flashbacks were rewarding the first time around because it provided us with depth for each of the characters. The flash-forwards were rewarding because we were able to see glimpses of what happened to these people after they managed to get off the island. The flash-sideways are not rewarding because we don't have the slightest clue what they are showing us.

Yet. As someone else was saying, you just need to put these flash sideways in your memory bank, like all the other stuff you've done so far, and by the end of the season, you'll have everything you need to understand their significance.

[davidhamrick10]

Its certainly possible, but who have they set up to be there besides Locke and Sawyer really? I guess Miles by extension of Sawyer. And they could stretch to get Jack there. Maybe he befriends Ben at the school. Otherwise I'm not really sure how Sayid and Jin fit into that, or Kate/Claire.
Well, I can't think of all of them right now but I know that Boone and Shannon are in the Wedding Reception or catering business. Jack can befriend Locke after he finally calls about a consult. I'll see if I can find more.

[breckbrew]

Well, I can't think of all of them right now but I know that Boone and Shannon are in the Wedding Reception or catering business. Jack can befriend Locke after he finally calls about a consult. I'll see if I can find more.

Sayid is in the ass-kicking business.....

[thebridge15]

And we can all assume that AnaL will participate in the bachelor party.

n/r

[Beebz]

And we can all assume that AnaL will participate in the bachelor party.
n/r

Yeah, her and the others (Others!?!?!) on the housekeeping staff will clean up the mess in the morning.

N/r

[Rylan]

Can anyone point out where I can watch S6 E's 1 & 2 online? They are not on Hulu or abc.com. Seeders on Demonoid will work too. Thanks!

[junior94]

So maybe these have already been posted up on here, whatever, but since I'm looking at the rundown right now on AICN figured I'd freshen it up. The known episode titles left up until 06x16.


06x09 Ab Aeterno ("since the beginning of time")
06x10 The Package
06x11 Happily Ever After
06x12 Everybody Loves Hugo
06x13 The Last Recruit
06x14 The Candidate
06x15 Across The Sea
06x16 What They Died For
06x17 TBA
06x18 TBA


And, once again since I'm looking at so many different damn sites for info at this point it may have been here that I first heard this, but if not, apparently word is for the "Across The Sea" episode will feature NO regular full 815 cast members in its entirety. So that's a bit of a doozy.

[jkrue22]

Happy LOST Day!!!!

:bounce:bounce:multi:multi:bounce:bounce:multi:mul ti

Ab Aeterno is going to blow minds... :D

[Beebz]

So maybe these have already been posted up on here, whatever, but since I'm looking at the rundown right now on AICN figured I'd freshen it up. The known episode titles left up until 06x16.


06x09 Ab Aeterno ("since the beginning of time")
06x10 The Package
06x11 Happily Ever After
06x12 Everybody Loves Hugo
06x13 The Last Recruit
06x14 The Candidate
06x15 Across The Sea
06x16 What They Died For
06x17 TBA
06x18 TBA


And, once again since I'm looking at so many different damn sites for info at this point it may have been here that I first heard this, but if not, apparently word is for the "Across The Sea" episode will feature NO regular full 815 cast members in its entirety. So that's a bit of a doozy.


Yes, this is all correct. Well, it will, but not in their, um, current forms lets say.

[junior94]

So I popped in the DVD of Claire's first flashback ep this morning because I wanted to refamiliarize myself with her beginning story (especially the opening dream sequence with Locke) and I ended up going ahead and watched the Jack episode "All The Best Cowboys Have Daddy Issues" as well.

Man oh man this episode just so perfectly exhibits the annoying bullheaded putz that Jack is :lol

I mean you break down the psychology of it, it's actually pretty narcissistic, you interpret everything in such a way that it's your fault, so you have to be (and are the only one who CAN) fix it. :rolleyes

[GinaNMU]

Ohhhhhh, Richard Alpert...


:swoon :)



Happy LOST Day, loves. :multi

[junior94]

Yes, this is all correct. Well, it will, but not in their, um, current forms lets say.

Dude you're one of these guys that winds up looking at every possible spoiler that you can, aren't you? Why, why?? DON'T DO IT!!! :lol

[Beebz]

^^^^^

Actually, no. I dont look at specific plot points and I dont look at reveals. I do like to have a general idea of what's in store, who the ep will focus on, and what questions will be raised/answered in upcoming eps (like, why dont the writers have the ability to string two brilliant episodes together?). But I dont look any more than that.

For instance, I dont want to know what happens tonight, or in the finale, or any of the upcoming eps. I do want to know, for instance, whether we will see Desmond again or if we'll get answers to questions like "who's in the cave?"

Actually, this is a perfect example. In regards to your penultimate episode questions, 6.16 is completely Jacob/MiB centric, and features the Losties only as young children. Damon and Carlton wrote it. Most of the episode takes place in Year 23....as in 23 AD. See, that doesnt give away plot point or reveals, but it does give you a brief idea of what to expect in this episode.

[junior94]

^^^ Well yea and I've never considered knowing whose centric episode it was going to be as spoiler info, there was quite a bit more heat surrounding that during the first couple seasons here in the thread, because when I'd learn about a particular stretch I'd openly post titles and characters, and some would really bitch about it.

I think I might've just said this recently, but really the ONLY time where a reasonable person might have been able to legitimately claim that knowing what character centric episodes were coming as genuine spoiler info was within the first stretch of season 4 shows, where they pretty much revealed one by one who the Oceanic 6 wound up being. But really other than that, unless an episode was centering on a character that was coming out of nowhere from a long break, well yea okay, but as we know nothing like that's ever happened.

[clayj41]

I'm so excited that we finally get this episode. It's been years in the making.

[Beebz]

I'm so excited that we finally get this episode. It's been years in the making.

Yeah, I havent been this excited for an episode of Lost since the S5 finale. Even the premiere, while anticipated, didnt have that same wow factor because you knew it was gonna basically be a long setup episode.

[41ravens]

dvr folks, don't forget, tonight will be running about 6 minutes longer, so set your dvr's accordingly.

[Joruus]

Updated the avatar in anticipation of tonight's episode.

[gocubsgo3822]

dvr folks, don't forget, tonight will be running about 6 minutes longer, so set your dvr's accordingly.

good fucking call... u r my favortie ant of the day

[breckbrew]

dvr folks, don't forget, tonight will be running about 6 minutes longer, so set your dvr's accordingly.

Is the extra 6 minutes so they can fit in all of the extra eye shadow commercials?

[wampa3]

Is the extra 6 minutes so they can fit in all of the extra eye shadow commercials?
no, i don't think so. My bet is that the camera gets lost in Richards eyes for about an extra 6 minutes throughout the episode and the editor's refused to take it out.

[41ravens]

good fucking call... u r my favortie ant of the day

:thumbsup and i'll bet $10 that i forget anyways.

Is the extra 6 minutes so they can fit in all of the extra eye shadow commercials?

or to fit in all the extra awesomeness.

[Beebz]

haha, oh man, the actress who plays Ilana did an interview with New York Magazine. In it, she gives us her last name. I dont know if its a spoiler or not, so here it all tucked away

Radzinsky

[41ravens]

haha, oh man, the actress who plays Ilana did an interview with New York Magazine. In it, she gives us her last name. I dont know if its a spoiler or not, so here it all tucked away

dun...dun...duuuuuunnnnnnnnn!!!

haha. wonder if that was a slip, or if she meant to say that.

[Beebz]

dun...dun...duuuuuunnnnnnnnn!!!

haha. wonder if that was a slip, or if she meant to say that.

I mean it probably doesnt even mean anything. Just one of those neat little coincidences. And I doubt it was accidental.

[41ravens]

in regards to ilana.

i better spoiler this...

it's actually kind of disappointing. you knew that someone was her dad, but this is the last person i thought it'd be. i can't really think if it could turn out to mean anything, except that didn't one of the losties kill him? revenge motive, perhaps? who knows.

[CaffeineQueen]

Updated the avatar in anticipation of tonight's episode.

:thumbsup:thumbsup

[jkrue22]

Teasers for tonight's episode from Totally Lost (not really spoilers, but I'll tag them anyway with my thoughts in parentheses):


1. You'll be reading a lot this week (subtitles for a foreign language?)
2. Richard Alpert and Anthony Cooper have similar philosophies (conning and using people to get something for themselves?)
3. Get ready for an unconventional baptism (something with the temple's magic pool which bestows Alpert with eternal life?)

[yellowflame34]

8 hours!!! getting close

[CaffeineQueen]

re: jkrue's spolier....

2. Richard Alpert and Anthony Cooper have similar philosophies (conning and using people to get something for themselves?) - I'm thinking more along the lines of the island being hell??

[Styx Cover Band]

Stop with the Spoilers! I'm getting tempted to read them :lol:lol

[CaffeineQueen]

Stop with the Spoilers! I'm getting tempted to read them :lol:lol

:lol:lol

it's nothing crazy.

[MOWJO8185]

words cannot describe how excited i am for tonight.

[clcfball11]

As always, I can't watch live tonight as I'll be in class until 8:40...so fucking devastating.

[thebridge15]

<-- excited

[clcfball11]

Ab Aeterno, mother fuckers! :bounce

[dobyblue]

Because CTV Toronto shows American Idol from 8-10pm...they're showing tonight's episode of LOST right now.

It's pretty awesome so far -

Richard says they're not on an island but rather...they're in hell

Not really a spoiler...because it's pretty clear he's speaking figuratively...or is he?
:lol

[water_into_wine]

So fucking pumped :multi

[dobyblue]

Unfortunately I've stopped watching it because I have to wait for my wife to come home...but at least I'll get to watch it commercial free.

[dh4645]

Soon!!!!!

[junior94]

Because CTV Toronto shows American Idol from 8-10pm...they're showing tonight's episode of LOST right now.

It's pretty awesome so far -

Not really a spoiler...because it's pretty clear he's speaking figuratively...or is he?
:lol


If THAT'S what Richard meant when he does his whole "All this? It's not what you think it is!" thing I"m gonna be PISSED. I'm gonna firebomb ABC's whole marketing department.

[CaffeineQueen]

Because CTV Toronto shows American Idol from 8-10pm...they're showing tonight's episode of LOST right now.

It's pretty awesome so far -

Richard says they're not on an island but rather...they're in hell

Not really a spoiler...because it's pretty clear he's speaking figuratively...or is he?
:lol


I knew it! this fits in with my guess from an earlier spoiler.

hmmm.

[CaffeineQueen]

Random thought...why can't Smokey just go over the pylons?

[luke7]

Almost time to find out that Richard was a slave on The Black Rock.

[JMcCartyFBI]

Let's do this!

[dh4645]

good stuff

[luke7]

So Richard is really Zorro !

[ant_marching41]

I didn't know that they made guyliner in 1867!

[dh4645]

another commercial already.

i miss my dvr

i'm in a hotel for work and the wife is at home and can skip all the commercials when she watches it

and on our 52" sony in HD instead of a 25" crap non hd channel

[breckbrew]

Wow.....

[RJP2741]

Phenomenal acting thus far from Nestor Carbonell.

[water_into_wine]

Phenomenal acting thus far from Nestor Carbonell.

This :thumbsup

[dh4645]

awesome
black rock broke the statue?
or the statue beached the black rock?

[RJP2741]

awesome
black rock broke the statue?
or the statue beached the black rock?

Yes.

[luke7]

Cool

[water_into_wine]

awesome
black rock broke the statue?
or the statue beached the black rock?

Big wave had Black Rock hit statue and break it then continued to carry the ship to the jungle. Not sound in terms of physics, but I'll take it. At least the CGI didn't look godawful for once*.


*Can revise statement when I watch this on a much larger TV.

[RJP2741]

Big wave had Black Rock hit statue and break it then continued to carry the ship to the jungle. Not sound in terms of physics, but I'll take it. At least the CGI didn't look godawful for once*.


*Can revise statement when I watch this on a much larger TV.

:lol It still wasn't great, coming from a 26 inch HD. But it was passable this time I agree. And it makes sense for that to be the explanation for those two things, I don't mind them bending the physics of it (see time travel season :lol).

[DMBzilla]

Yes!!!! Man in black!!!!

[ant_marching41]

Sick.

[dh4645]

what the what?!

GOOD SHIT

[luke7]

" I'm gone drop the Devil to his knees. "

[CaffeineQueen]

como what??

[water_into_wine]

Awesome shit right there.

Early feeling is that this whole "You're in hell" thing is just a play on Richard.

[RJP2741]

Awesome shit right there.

Early feeling is that this whole "You're in hell" thing is just a play.

Same here. Although that would be interesting if after 6 years of them denying the Losties were in Purgatory, they wind up being in hell. Though if this is the ultimate conclusion, I doubt they would be so blunt about it.

[dh4645]

Awesome shit right there.

Early feeling is that this whole "You're in hell" thing is just a play on Richard.

i'm thinking that too.


there's the knife again

[doesmusicbest]

"Where's the money Lebowski?!?"

[luke7]

" Get up. We need to talk. "

Cool again.

[water_into_wine]

Jacob is a muthafucking boss.

[dh4645]

richard just got baptised

[Joruus]

What the devil?

[ant_marching41]

"Where's the money Lebowski?!?"
:lol :thumbsup

Thoughts: They aren't really in hell. Richard ends up believing what ever Jacob ends up telling him. But once Jacob dies, Richard loses all faith in what he believed in and goes back to his earlier belief that this is hell, and he now wants to follow Flocke.

[davedmb41]

oh dammmmn!

[doesmusicbest]

:lol :thumbsup

:lol Glad someone caught that. I thought it might get lost at the bottom of the page.

[luke7]

Hurley was talking to Richard's wife.

[doesmusicbest]

Fuck yes Hurley!

[davedmb41]

oh man.....! i hate that i love this show.

[luke7]

Best episode of the season ??

[dobyblue]

Sooner than you think...

AWESOME!

[water_into_wine]

Wow.

[ant_marching41]

Best episode of the season ??
Yep. Best acting performance of the season from Nestor Carbonell too. The last two scenes were phenominal.

[dmb@uvm]

Killer episode!

[RJP2741]

I want my wife back...no way.
I want to be absolved of all my sins...sorry.
I want to live forever...okay, come with me.

[RJP2741]

Yep. Best acting performance of the season from Nestor Carbonell too. The last two scenes were phenominal.

Agreed, the Emmy's do best acting based on specific episode right? He should have a real shot at that imo.

[water_into_wine]

What Isabel was is starting to confuse me. At first I thought that she was Smokey trying to set Richard up. Now with the second one that throws it off. Simply an apparition?


Also how Hurley said that last line was so badass.

[junior94]

Something I'm a little confused by, though admittedly probably a small detail. When we first met Jacob & MIB in the s5 finale, it sure seemed to imply the ship on the horizon was the Black Rock. Weather was great, seas were calm, and I would think even at that distance the people on the Black Rock would visualize the island. But now as we see tonight, horrible rain storm, and it seems like for the crew members as if the island comes out of nowhere in their sights, a miracle 'any port in the storm' and they crash into it. These don't seem to gel that well.

Which, while we're at it, it seems straining the suspension of disbelief just a bit that a ship, while granted being pushed around on high and rough seas, would be able to obliterate a STONE STATUE. I'd think the ship would come away from that in a lot worse shape than the statue.

oh and the whole CGI issue -- people have been bitching about the underwater island shot since the premiere, which I don't at all understand. I thought that sequence was perfectly fine, looked realistic enough for me (certainly not anywhere near as bad as the one shot of the sub submerging just off island near the end of last season).

[RJP2741]

It wasn't the ship, so much as the wave, that took out the statue.

[junior94]

And I don't mean this as a complaint in any way, but was I the only one who was thinking we'd see more of Richard's past than what we did? That the flashbacks might've even gone as far into some of the 1900's?

[breckbrew]

How do you like dem answers???

[DMBzilla]

This was a truly all-time great episode. Very good all around.

[DMBzilla]

How do you like dem answers???

Kenny Mack! What shows you hitting this summer?

[ant_marching41]

And I don't mean this as a complaint in any way, but was I the only one who was thinking we'd see more of Richard's past than what we did? That the flashbacks might've even gone as far into some of the 1900's?
Yea I was hoping for some 1900s scenes too. But once 9:45 came around and were still hanging with Ricardos, I just accepted it and took in the story they told.

And what a good one it was at that!

I also really enjoyed the directing in this episode. I'd be interested in knowing who got the priviledge to direct this episode, and compare this episode to others that he/she has directed.

[burnobus7337]

in regards to ilana.

i better spoiler this...

it's actually kind of disappointing. you knew that someone was her dad, but this is the last person i thought it'd be. i can't really think if it could turn out to mean anything, except that didn't one of the losties kill him? revenge motive, perhaps? who knows.

In the original script, Jacob was Ilana's father but that information leaked early on so they decided to switch it up. Or at least that is what I have heard. Makes sense from the interaction they had earlier in the series like the hospital scene.

[breckbrew]

Kenny Mack! What shows you hitting this summer?

What's up buddy?! I might go to Hershey, probably not much else. Stace and I are expecting a baby girl in a couple of weeks so we'll be tied up for most of the summer. What's new with you? What shows are you going to?

[DMBzilla]

What's up buddy?! I might go to Hershey, probably not much else. Stace and I are expecting a baby girl in a couple of weeks so we'll be tied up for most of the summer. What's new with you? What shows are you going to?

Wow dude, congrats on the baby!

See my sig for my shows, but I think I'll be skipping Hershey again this summer -- didn't really miss out on much last year and I hate that venue (plus I'm already going to be seeing Phish there -- might be a good chance to get you to your phirst show :)).

[breckbrew]

Wow dude, congrats on the baby!

See my sig for my shows, but I think I'll be skipping Hershey again this summer -- didn't really miss out on much last year and I hate that venue (plus I'm already going to be seeing Phish there -- might be a good chance to get you to your phirst show :)).

Thanks man. I don't mind Hershey as long as I can get reserved floor seats, but since that's not going to happen, not even sure I'll make it there. It's so close though, its hard to pass up. I really need to see a phish show too!

[DMBzilla]

Thanks man. I don't mind Hershey as long as I can get reserved floor seats, but since that's not going to happen, not even sure I'll make it there. It's so close though, its hard to pass up. I really need to see a phish show too!

Let's talk after the public on-sale -- I already know I'll be looking for a seat buddy for that Phish show.

[proppenator]

Good episode. It didn't blow my mind, but it solidified some things they had been hinting at for a while.

[jkrue22]

So... they're in purgatory? :confused:eek

[junior94]

I'm just waiting now for the inevitable "boy that did NOT live up to the hype!" :lol

[junior94]

I also really enjoyed the directing in this episode. I'd be interested in knowing who got the priviledge to direct this episode, and compare this episode to others that he/she has directed.

Dammit I did notice it in the open credits but now the name's gone right outta my head. I know it definitely wasn't either of the top 2 guys, Jack Bender or Stephen Williams, it was a name I've not seen very often (I wanna say something like Mitch Glazer... ?). And I was a little surprised D&C didn't have primary writing credit on this one, because more often then not they get the really pivotal story point episodes.

[clayj41]

Just when I think I can't love this show anymore than I already do, they go and do something like this.

[junior94]

Random thought...why can't Smokey just go over the pylons?

A question that's definitely been asked multiple times before. I think it's perhaps one of those smaller examples of logic we're asked to casually overlook :D

[Beebz]

Good episode. It didn't blow my mind, but it solidified some things they had been hinting at for a while.

Pretty much this. Solid A though.

[Beebz]

Good episode. It didn't blow my mind, but it solidified some things they had been hinting at for a while.

Pretty much this. Solid A though.

I also think this confirms what we've all thought for a while: that the on-island stuff is infintely more interesting than any flash-sideways or whatever. This is was every episode should be at this point.

[water_into_wine]

Dammit I did notice it in the open credits but now the name's gone right outta my head. I know it definitely wasn't either of the top 2 guys, Jack Bender or Stephen Williams, it was a name I've not seen very often (I wanna say something like Mitch Glazer... ?). And I was a little surprised D&C didn't have primary writing credit on this one, because more often then not they get the really pivotal story point episodes.

Tucker Gates

His other episodes:
Episode 1.08 "Confidence Man"
Episode 1.17 "...In Translation"
Episode 1.22 "Born to Run"
Episode 3.06 "I Do"
Episode 6.04 "The Substitute"

[jkrue22]

Anyone else think of Pandora's Box tonight when Jacob used the wine bottle as a metaphor for evil spilling out and spreading to the whole world?

[junior94]

Tucker Gates

His other episodes:
Episode 1.08 "Confidence Man"
Episode 1.17 "...In Translation"
Episode 1.22 "Born to Run"
Episode 3.06 "I Do"
Episode 6.04 "The Substitute"

Yea, so basically like I said.. Mitch Glazer, Tucker Gates... same diff :rolleyes


:freak:lol

[thebridge15]

Richard is the best.

[DerekJTR2]

It was alright. At least Nestor Carbonell is a better actor than anyone else on the show. I'm pretty sure the whole "hell" idea was just a jab at all the people who speculated on that.

[thebridge15]

What if the entire point of the island is just Jacob and MiB betting each other on which people they can corrupt and which they can't.

Like Trading Places.

[thebridge15]

What if the entire point of the island is just Jacob and MiB betting each other on which people they can corrupt and which they can't.

Like Trading Places.

[water_into_wine]

What if the entire point of the island is just Jacob and MiB betting each other on which people they can corrupt and which they can't.

Like Trading Places.

The stakes??????


$1

[thebridge15]

The stakes??????


$1A gentleman's wager.

[DerekJTR2]

I dunno. I didn't put in 6 seasons for a wine in a jug metaphor. I still haven't seen a single episode this season that I really enjoyed.

[junior94]

What if the entire point of the island is just Jacob and MiB betting each other on which people they can corrupt and which they can't.

Like Trading Places.


Looking GOOOOD, Billy Ray!

[thebridge15]

Looking GOOOOD, Billy Ray!Feeling good, Louis!

[clcfball11]

Incredible episode. Fucking awesome.

[AndySlash]

Something I'm a little confused by, though admittedly probably a small detail. When we first met Jacob & MIB in the s5 finale, it sure seemed to imply the ship on the horizon was the Black Rock. Weather was great, seas were calm, and I would think even at that distance the people on the Black Rock would visualize the island. But now as we see tonight, horrible rain storm, and it seems like for the crew members as if the island comes out of nowhere in their sights, a miracle 'any port in the storm' and they crash into it. These don't seem to gel that well.


My suspicion on this is that, after we saw that first scene in the S5 finale, MIB sulked off into the jungle and got pissed. And when he got pissed, boom, major thunderstorm. And, to get at Jacob a little bit, he made sure that ship took out Jacob's house. Water has been a subtle part of many big scenes in this show, and in small bits this season I think we've been given clues that MIB may have something to do with how water comes into play on the island (Sayid dousing himself just before he sees SmokeLocke is what immediately comes to mind, but there are some others). The slaves we saw all seemed to be confused about the situation, which could be because this storm came out of nowhere.

But, it could just as easily be chalked up to it simply being a different ship. We were never told anything about that S5 finale ship.

[water_into_wine]

My suspicion on this is that, after we saw that first scene in the S5 finale, MIB sulked off into the jungle and got pissed. And when he got pissed, boom, major thunderstorm. And, to get at Jacob a little bit, he made sure that ship took out Jacob's house. Water has been a subtle part of many big scenes in this show, and in small bits this season I think we've been given clues that MIB may have something to do with how water comes into play on the island (Sayid dousing himself just before he sees SmokeLocke is what immediately comes to mind, but there are some others). The slaves we saw all seemed to be confused about the situation, which could be because this storm came out of nowhere.

But, it could just as easily be chalked up to it simply being a different ship. We were never told anything about that S5 finale ship.

This is really speculative in my opinion.

I think it is kind of the same reason most people can't find the island. They can't until Jacob brings them to it. So basically they were sitting there and watching it before it could see the island.

Maybe mine is just as speculative but that's how I see it. I'm not too worried about that "hole" and there won't be any answer for it.


I wonder if they will ever explain how The Lamppost could find the island.

[thebridge15]

I think it is kind of the same reason most people can't find the island. They can't until Jacob brings them to it. So basically they were sitting there and watching it before it could see the island.This makes sense.

Anyone else find the dialogue between the two at the very end kind of too casual?

[water_into_wine]

This makes sense.

Anyone else find the dialogue between the two at the very end kind of too casual?

Not really. Reminded me of the beginning of S5 Finale.

"Want some fish?"
"Here's some wine."

[thebridge15]

Not really. Reminded me of the beginning of S5 Finale.

"Want some fish?"
"Here's some wine."I found that dialogue weird too.

"Good morning."
"I'm going to kill you."

[Voittaa]

Also, revealed the flashes are the *chchchch* noise smokey makes. Still wondering what the point of those flashes are and the other noises...

[thebridge15]

I'm still going with the idea that the flashes are pictures smoke shows to people. That's how he can look like others. He projects such moving images to people that they see the ones he projects. When the camera pans through the smoke when it's looking at Eko, you see pictures of people from Eko's past.

[water_into_wine]

Also, revealed the flashes are the *chchchch* noise smokey makes. Still wondering what the point of those flashes are and the other noises...

Say what?

Do you mean when he was "scanning" Richard? We already saw that with Eko, but I don't know where else we have seen this or why it was a mystery.

Unless you're hypothesis, is that those are the Flash-Sideways, which in that case I completely disagree with you.

[water_into_wine]

I'm still going with the idea that the flashes are pictures smoke shows to people. That's how he can look like others. He projects such moving images to people that they see the ones he projects. When the camera pans through the smoke when it's looking at Eko, you see pictures of people from Eko's past.

I see it as him "scanning" the person. He did it to Richard so he could find his past and manipulate him.


BTW, I read something about how there will be no Eko return. Disappointed. Apparently too much off-screen crap with him. Also said he was originally supposed to be there to the near end before the drama happened.

[javierm27]

Does anyone else think that the alternate timeline we are seeing is what may happen if Smokey gets out?

[doesmusicbest]

Does anyone else think that the alternate timeline we are seeing is what may happen if Smokey gets out?

I hope not, because that means if he doesn't get out, then that whole timeline meant jack shit. I don't think they'd do that.

[javierm27]

I hope not, because that means if he doesn't get out, then that whole timeline meant jack shit. I don't think they'd do that.

It will be interesting to see how it plays out. To me that's what it seems like and I wouldnt mind it, just make it good, at this point I am just here for the ride. I thought tonights episode was great, I really enjoyed it.

[javierm27]

Another observation, the knife that the Samurai gave Sayid to kill smokey was the same knife that Smokey gave Richard to kill Jacob.

[jkrue22]

Another observation, the knife that the Samurai gave Sayid to kill smokey was the same knife that Smokey gave Richard to kill Jacob.

Yep, and with the same instructions (don't let him speak, etc.)

[junior94]

Say what?

Do you mean when he was "scanning" Richard? We already saw that with Eko, but I don't know where else we have seen this or why it was a mystery.

Unless you're hypothesis, is that those are the Flash-Sideways, which in that case I completely disagree with you.

Okay yea I was gonna say, we'd also seen that back in season 3 when Kate and Juliet are cornered in the one bamboo stack, in fact that was the first time we'd seen it even to that kind of degree (to where the ladies had to shield their eyes from the brightness of the flash of lights coming off smokey).

[dh4645]

So... they're in purgatory? :confused:eek

haha, funny. i got the sarcasm this time.

anyway, so what i got from the episode was:

- jacob brought the boat to the island
- mib/smokey might have made it crash by conjuring up a quick storm (taking that from an earlier post).
- mib/smokey kills everyone and scans ricardo to see how to manipulate him.
- ricardo is dehydrated and hallucinates seeing his dead wife and smokey killing her.
- mib/smokey lies to ricardo saying the island is hell and that he can see his wife again if he helps.
- jacob baptizes ricardo to wake his ass up and tells him it's not hell.
- jacob is still good and mib/smokey is still bad.
- jacob and the island keeps mib/smokey in place so he doesnt corrupt the outside world.
- the only way mib/smokey can leave is when jacob is dead and no one has taken his place.

[Beebz]

This is really speculative in my opinion.

I think it is kind of the same reason most people can't find the island. They can't until Jacob brings them to it. So basically they were sitting there and watching it before it could see the island.

Maybe mine is just as speculative but that's how I see it. I'm not too worried about that "hole" and there won't be any answer for it.

I wonder if they will ever explain how The Lamppost could find the island.

i think this needs to be answered or its a massive fail.

[joepsu0985]

That was a solid, solid episode. I think there is enough buildup for sure, that it's time to wind things up.

[Beebz]

Season 6, Episode 9: "Ab Aeterno"

What I liked about Ab Aeterno:

-- The return of Jacob and MiB
-- Finally getting confirmation that yes, Richard arrived on The Black Rock.
-- Smokey wiping out British slave owners
-- The interplay between Jacob and MiB
-- Nestor Carbonell's acting. Probably the best work we've seen from anyone in the cast since the show began. And that includes Terry O'Quinn
-- The decision to make this a focused, mythology-heavy episode that featured few of the main characters. Needed a break from the flash-sideways in a big way.
-- Gaining a little more insight as to why Jacob brings people to the island and what he can do (he said he cant being back Richard's wife, so was he lying to Dogen about his son?).

What I didnt like about Ab Aeterno:
-- The rationale behind Richard's eternal life was pretty weak. Its almost like the writers knew that he could live forever, but once they were finally forced to give the backstory, they didnt really have a concept that worked. The whole idea that his own father wouldnt forgive him for his sins so Richard never wanted to die felt really contrived.
-- The episode, while revelatory, didn't really give us much more than we didnt know or suspect. Ricahrd came on the Black Rock and doesnt age because of Jacob. OK, we knew that. Having MiB try and manipulate him was cool, though. Where was the rest of the story? Why not, even in the form of a montage, show Richard interacting with the endless parade of people Jacob brings? I know there are time contraints, but this episode could have been done earlier in the series timeline and allowed for multiple flashbacks for Richard.

Grade: A

Season 6 grades:

LA X: B+
What Kate Does: D-
The Substitute: A
The Lighthouse: B-
Sundown: B
Dr. Linus: B+
Recon: C
Ab Aeterno: A

[junior94]

This is really speculative in my opinion.

I think it is kind of the same reason most people can't find the island. They can't until Jacob brings them to it. So basically they were sitting there and watching it before it could see the island.

Actually I think that's as reasonable an answer as there may be for that, it makes sense.

On another small and frivolous note, it cracks me up a little realizing Richard completely lost his native accent over time and spoke with a perfect American one. I mean yea, it's a fine line to straddle, on one hand there's such a thing as someone growing up in one country (enough to establish a distinct accent) but spending their entire adult life somewhere else but they always maintain their original tongue, but then, Richard's "entire adult life" has been over 200 years, so maybe that would be enough :D

Although, even as I type this it occurs to me, that's assuming that everyone who was brought to the island after that spoke with an American accent, and we know that's not true, so...

Mind you I'm not saying this has any real importance at all, just a curious little character observation.

[OlivePoet]

Season 6, Episode 9: "Ab Aeterno"

What I liked about Ab Aeterno:

-- The return of Jacob and MiB
-- Finally getting confirmation that yes, Richard arrived on The Black Rock.
-- Smokey wiping out British slave owners
-- The interplay between Jacob and MiB
-- Nestor Carbonell's acting. Probably the best work we've seen from anyone in the cast since the show began. And that includes Terry O'Quinn
-- The decision to make this a focused, mythology-heavy episode that featured few of the main characters. Needed a break from the flash-sideways in a big way.
-- Gaining a little more insight as to why Jacob brings people to the island and what he can do (he said he cant being back Richard's wife, so was he lying to Dogen about his son?).

What I didnt like about Ab Aeterno:
-- The rationale behind Richard's eternal life was pretty weak. Its almost like the writers knew that he could live forever, but once they were finally forced to give the backstory, they didnt really have a concept that worked. The whole idea that his own father wouldnt forgive him for his sins so Richard never wanted to die felt really contrived.
-- The episode, while revelatory, didn't really give us much more than we didnt know or suspect. Ricahrd came on the Black Rock and doesnt age because of Jacob. OK, we knew that. Having MiB try and manipulate him was cool, though. Where was the rest of the story? Why not, even in the form of a montage, show Richard interacting with the endless parade of people Jacob brings? I know there are time contraints, but this episode could have been done earlier in the series timeline and allowed for multiple flashbacks for Richard.

Grade: A

Season 6 grades:

LA X: B+
What Kate Does: D-
The Substitute: A
The Lighthouse: B-
Sundown: B
Dr. Linus: B+
Recon: C
Ab Aeterno: A

I'm certainly not a religious person, but I do believe the "father" was a priest, not his daddy. :)

[junior94]

What I didnt like about Ab Aeterno:
-- The rationale behind Richard's eternal life was pretty weak. Its almost like the writers knew that he could live forever, but once they were finally forced to give the backstory, they didnt really have a concept that worked. The whole idea that his own father wouldnt forgive him for his sins so Richard never wanted to die felt really contrived.

Well and actually now I think about it, look at the situation from Jacob's POV -- if he wants to "hire" Richard for this job as his intermediary for those he brings to the island, won't just by the nature of that he would need Richard to have an unnaturally long life? I mean what's the point if Richard would otherwise naturally bite the dust around 70 or 80?


Also while we know Jacob to essentially be ageless himself, I got the feeling from many shots last night he was made to look fairly different. Not drastically, but something subtle enough to notice. And look at this screen shot here I'm attaching, that's a VERY awkward angle for doing close up coverage on an actor, and the frame held there for multiple times cutting back to Jacob's face. That jumped out at me right away.

[Beebz]

Well and actually now I think about it, look at the situation from Jacob's POV -- if he wants to "hire" Richard for this job as his intermediary for those he brings to the island, won't just by the nature of that he would need Richard to have an unnaturally long life? I mean what's the point if Richard would otherwise naturally bite the dust around 70 or 80?

Also while we know Jacob to essentially be ageless himself, I got the feeling from many shots last night he was made to look fairly different. Not drastically, but something subtle enough to notice. And look at this screen shot here I'm attaching, that's a VERY awkward angle for doing close up coverage on an actor, and the frame held there for multiple times cutting back to Jacob's face. That jumped out at me right away.

I think this is a classic example of us looking way too far into things. There were all sorts of different editing devices used this week: voiceovers while characters were moving, a new score for Richard. I wouldnt put too much stock in the fact that different camera angles were trying to tell us something.

[Beebz]

I'm certainly not a religious person, but I do believe the "father" was a priest, not his daddy. :)

:lol, I walked in 30 seconds later after the commercial break and I thought that his own father happened to be a priest.

[junior94]

I think this is a classic example of us looking way too far into things. There were all sorts of different editing devices used this week: voiceovers while characters were moving, a new score for Richard. I wouldnt put too much stock in the fact that different camera angles were trying to tell us something.

Well no, I'm not even necessarily saying it was a subtle visual way to give us some kind of extra subtext, just that at the very least it completely stuck out to me.

[Beebz]

Well no, I'm not even necessarily saying it was a subtle visual way to give us some kind of extra subtext, just that at the very least it completely stuck out to me.

I thought it was a shitty directorial choice, and it definitely stood out. It was really strange, that low-angle shot of just his head for like 30 seconds.

[41ravens]

Does anyone else think that the alternate timeline we are seeing is what may happen if Smokey gets out?

i had that thought as well.

and do you know what my theory is as to why we haven't heard what mib's name is yet?

because his name is jacob.

yeah, that's right. stir on that one for a bit.

[junior94]

I thought it was a shitty directorial choice, and it definitely stood out. It was really strange, that low-angle shot of just his head for like 30 seconds.

Yea a central rule to directing is the audience should never be aware of the camera, if it's done well you should forget you're watching a movie and get the sense you've been given a window into someone else's life to look thru.


Btw, D&C have already said that they will be on Jimmy Kimmel the night the finale airs, right? Because then I thought, I wonder if they'll then have a special screening for that show's audience members of the 2hr finale to watch before the taping of the show, because I mean c'mon, you really think they'll be on their unofficial talk show that will be airing AFTER the finale plays to the east coast and not talk about anything that took place in the finale? And I just can't imagine they'd do that with none of the audience having yet seen the episode, they'll be totally spoiled (and what with the taping taking place at, what, like around 5pm those things usually do? and in this case PST)

[junior94]

i had that thought as well.

and do you know what my theory is as to why we haven't heard what mib's name is yet?

because his name is jacob.

yeah, that's right. stir on that one for a bit.

No I don't think the flash-sideways are in ANY way any type of "what if" scenario. All that's happening in them is/will actually happen, and in the same universe as the events we're watching on present day island now (as D&C have clearly stated) just a matter of how the timing of them relates to what we're seeing now on the island.

And yea I've been toying for at least a couple weeks now on the idea that Jacob and MIB are in some way the same entity, just two halves.

[CaffeineQueen]

I'm certainly not a religious person, but I do believe the "father" was a priest, not his daddy. :)

that's what I got.... and a corrupt priest at that. And the only reason he went to see him and told him what he did was to se if he was eligible to be a slave.

[water_into_wine]

Season 6, Episode 9: "Ab Aeterno"

What I liked about Ab Aeterno:

-- The return of Jacob and MiB
-- Finally getting confirmation that yes, Richard arrived on The Black Rock.
-- Smokey wiping out British slave owners
-- The interplay between Jacob and MiB
-- Nestor Carbonell's acting. Probably the best work we've seen from anyone in the cast since the show began. And that includes Terry O'Quinn
-- The decision to make this a focused, mythology-heavy episode that featured few of the main characters. Needed a break from the flash-sideways in a big way.
-- Gaining a little more insight as to why Jacob brings people to the island and what he can do (he said he cant being back Richard's wife, so was he lying to Dogen about his son?).

What I didnt like about Ab Aeterno:
-- The rationale behind Richard's eternal life was pretty weak. Its almost like the writers knew that he could live forever, but once they were finally forced to give the backstory, they didnt really have a concept that worked. The whole idea that his own father wouldnt forgive him for his sins so Richard never wanted to die felt really contrived.
-- The episode, while revelatory, didn't really give us much more than we didnt know or suspect. Ricahrd came on the Black Rock and doesnt age because of Jacob. OK, we knew that. Having MiB try and manipulate him was cool, though. Where was the rest of the story? Why not, even in the form of a montage, show Richard interacting with the endless parade of people Jacob brings? I know there are time contraints, but this episode could have been done earlier in the series timeline and allowed for multiple flashbacks for Richard.

Grade: A

Season 6 grades:

LA X: B+
What Kate Does: D-
The Substitute: A
The Lighthouse: B-
Sundown: B
Dr. Linus: B+
Recon: C
Ab Aeterno: A

Dogen's son wasn't dead yet. Just severely fucked up.

[Beebz]

that's what I got.... and a corrupt priest at that. And the only reason he went to see him and told him what he did was to se if he was eligible to be a slave.

That makes a lot more sense. I wasnt paying enough attention there. It still seems like a stretch for Alpert so say "I want to live forever" outta nowhere.

[CaffeineQueen]

here's another thought I had last night.

So, when Sawyer and Kate were prisoners, they were making the runway. I was wondering if maybe Jacob had known that they would have to come back via plane so that's why the runway was built? I don't know why else that would have been made a point.

Also, last night Ilana told Sun she was a candidate. I was assuming Jin was the candidate so that's why Sun wasn't flashed back to 1977, but if she's the candidate, what was the point?

[OlivePoet]

^ When the corrupt priest showed his true colors, I turned to my boyfriend and said, "We should really start going to church." We :loled.

[CaffeineQueen]

That makes a lot more sense. I wasnt paying enough attention there. It still seems like a stretch for Alpert so say "I want to live forever" outta nowhere.

yeah, I thought he was his dad for a second there too. Then he was talking about be forgiven and I got it.

[CaffeineQueen]

^ When the corrupt priest showed his true colors, I turned to my boyfriend and said, "We should really start going to church." We :loled.

:lol:lol

[OlivePoet]

here's another thought I had last night.

So, when Sawyer and Kate were prisoners, they were making the runway. I was wondering if maybe Jacob had known that they would have to come back via plane so that's why the runway was built? I don't know why else that would have been made a point.

Also, last night Ilana told Sun she was a candidate. I was assuming Jin was the candidate so that's why Sun wasn't flashed back to 1977, but if she's the candidate, what was the point?

I thought that was weird, too, because in a previous episode, I thought Ilana said that she wasn't sure which one of them (Sun or Jin) was a candidate, since she only knew the last name.

[water_into_wine]

here's another thought I had last night.

So, when Sawyer and Kate were prisoners, they were making the runway. I was wondering if maybe Jacob had known that they would have to come back via plane so that's why the runway was built? I don't know why else that would have been made a point.

Also, last night Ilana told Sun she was a candidate. I was assuming Jin was the candidate so that's why Sun wasn't flashed back to 1977, but if she's the candidate, what was the point?

In Ben's episode Illana told Sun that the name was listed as Kwon and she didn't know which one (or both) to protect.

[CaffeineQueen]

I thought that was weird, too, because in a previous episode, I thought Ilana said that she wasn't sure which one of them (Sun or Jin) was a candidate, since she only knew the last name.

In Ben's episode Illana told Sun that the name was listed as Kwon and she didn't know which one (or both) to protect.

ah, I forgot about that. :thumbsup

[Beebz]

Dogen's son wasn't dead yet. Just severely fucked up.

I thought his son died? So apparently Jacob can heal (Locke, Illana, Dogen's son) but not reincarnate? Dead is dead?