LOST (the tv show)

[41ravens]

Why couldn't Aaron be MiB? Seriously? I don't think he is, but he COULD be. Hell, fucking Ana Lucia could be too. We don't need evidence. Don't give me points that Aaron is three, that he wasn't around for time travel, whatever.

Ben pushed a wheel and the island moved. It literally moved. Anything could happen.

i'm not saying it couldn't happen. this is lost, for christ's sake. anything is fair game. i'm just saying that i don't think he will be, nor do i think he will play an important role in all of this.

[41ravens]

Give me a plausable story that makes Aaron MiB. Yes, you do need evidence, and just because there is time travel involved in some point of the story doesnt mean the writers can do whatever they want and have it be believeable.

this too. the hardest part i would have to deal with is how he would get back to the island. i can see no feasible reason for him to come back, so any story to get him back to the island would most likely seem pretty ridiculous.

[thebridge15]

So then someone give me evidence on why there's a giant ass statue on the island. Someone give me evidence on how Ben moved the island. Someone give me evidence on why Hurley can see dead people.

The writers can do whatever they want.

[uro55]

so then someone give me evidence on why there's a giant ass statue on the island. Someone give me evidence on how ben moved the island. Someone give me evidence on why hurley can see dead people.

The writers can do whatever they want.

thank you!

[Beebz]

So then someone give me evidence on why there's a giant ass statue on the island. Someone give me evidence on how Ben moved the island. Someone give me evidence on why Hurley can see dead people.

The writers can do whatever they want.

1. Because someone built it a long time ago.

2. Using a wheel in the center of the island that was built by.....well, you'll find out.

3. Many people on the island can see dead people. It could be Hurley's gift from Jacob or it could be intrinsic, like Miles' ability to communucate with the dead.

All the examples you raised fit within the Lost Universe. The problem with Aaron is one of plot--it makes no sense from a story perspective. A three-year-old kid who has barely factored into the story thus far cannot be a 2000-year-old smoke monster. It doesnt make any sense at all. Building statues isnt an absurd plot contrivance.

[RJP2741]

All of that stuff seems to make sense within the show, I cannot see any way that Aaron turning out to be MIB makes sense. Sure they COULD do it, but it really would probably ruin the show for me. It's just a ridiculous theory.

[Beebz]

Yes, if Aaron turns out to be MiB the show is a failure. I dont care how they explain it. Thank god that's not going to happen, but if it did I'd give up.

[RJP2741]

Me too. I'm sure they never contemplated it. To give up 6 seasons worth of quality writing (for the most part) for a ridiculous twist for the sake of twists would be idiotic.

Walt = Smokie

n/r.

[CaffeineQueen]

Me too. I'm sure they never contemplated it. To give up 6 seasons worth of quality writing (for the most part) for a ridiculous twist for the sake of twists would be idiotic.

Walt = Smokie

n/r.

:lol:lol

seriously though, Walt being "special" is one of those things that I need to know. If they don't give some kind of explanation, I will be upset.

[CaffeineQueen]

but, even thinking about it more, Walt and Locke always had some weird connection.

Especially when Locke saw Walt off the island, Walt saying he saw Locke surrounded by a bunch of people who wanted to kill him. I originally thought it was when the Agira flight landed, but I think about it more and more.

[jackbauer0041]

I have a horrible feeling that tonight's Sun/Jin centric episode is going to be really boring.

:thumbsup

yup, its gonna be an asian lost episode.

there's the remote...no one would blame you...

[RJP2741]

:lol:lol

seriously though, Walt being "special" is one of those things that I need to know. If they don't give some kind of explanation, I will be upset.

Agreed. Although it's one of those situations where the real world may have gotten in the way of the story they were trying to tell.

[Rylan]

What about that kid that Flocke and Sawyer saw in the woods earlier this season. The one that Alpert couldn't see. He was definitely older than 3 but he was blonde and seemed to be much more than just a regular Other. Any connection to Aaron there?

[CaffeineQueen]

What about that kid that Flocke and Sawyer saw in the woods earlier this season. The one that Alpert couldn't see. He was definitely older than 3 but he was blonde and seemed to be much more than just a regular Other. Any connection to Aaron there?

oh yeah. hmm.

I kind of liked that theory that MiB is Jacob's evil side. Maybe it's young Jacob before he split?

[RJP2741]

What about that kid that Flocke and Sawyer saw in the woods earlier this season. The one that Alpert couldn't see. He was definitely older than 3 but he was blonde and seemed to be much more than just a regular Other. Any connection to Aaron there?

My first thought was that the boy was a younger version of Jacob. Too old to be Aaron, imo.

[thebridge15]

1. Because someone built it a long time ago.

2. Using a wheel in the center of the island that was built by.....well, you'll find out.

3. Many people on the island can see dead people. It could be Hurley's gift from Jacob or it could be intrinsic, like Miles' ability to communucate with the dead.

All the examples you raised fit within the Lost Universe. The problem with Aaron is one of plot--it makes no sense from a story perspective. A three-year-old kid who has barely factored into the story thus far cannot be a 2000-year-old smoke monster. It doesnt make any sense at all. Building statues isnt an absurd plot contrivance.Wow, these really sum up those plot holes.

Look, I don't think MiB is Aaron. I think it'd be terrible and lame. I think it's Walt. BUT, I don't see any reason to write off anything from happening. This is like a soap opera. Essentially nothing is set in stone.

[breckbrew]

but, even thinking about it more, Walt and Locke always had some weird connection.

Especially when Locke saw Walt off the island, Walt saying he saw Locke surrounded by a bunch of people who wanted to kill him. I originally thought it was when the Agira flight landed, but I think about it more and more.

They also played a lot of backgammon - white and black pieces, good vs. evil, not racist.

[DynastyDrummer1]

I don't think Aaron is MiB. No way.

But I do want to know why back before Claire had him, she was told "she must keep the baby."

I feel like he's important, and I really, really don't want him to be. At this point I don't see how they can tie him in.

[thebridge15]

Walt hasn't been around for multiple seasons. Yet people would be pissed if they didn't tie him in.

[uro55]

Walt hasn't been around for multiple seasons. Yet people would be pissed if they didn't tie him in.

Wasn't he in last season?

[CaffeineQueen]

Wasn't he in last season?

si! Locke went to see him.

or was it season 4? I forget.

[breckbrew]

Walt hasn't been around for multiple seasons. Yet people would be pissed if they didn't tie him in.

We know more about Walt; we know very little about Aaron. I'm not saying Aaron isn't important, but I really doubt he's MIB and I'm not sure how he is going to have a big impact when this season is focusing on only a handful of characters.

[thebridge15]

It was last season. I forgot about that.

I almost kind of want Walt to be involved somehow.

[Beebz]

:thumbsup

yup, its going to be asian rost repisode.

Der the remote...no run would brame you...

/stereotyped

My first thought was that the boy was a younger version of Jacob. Too old to be Aaron, imo.

It had to be the younger Jacob. I'd bet anything on that.

[Beebz]

Hmmm, maybe he will get a name. Someone asked Jorge Garcia this in a chat:

Quick question; will we ever learn the Man In Black/Smoke Monster/Flocke's real name? Don't need to know when, but will we ever?
It will be discussed at some point.

[thebridge15]

By "discussed," he means discussed by fans in an angry and frustrated fashion.

[CaffeineQueen]

By "discussed," he means discussed by fans in an angry and frustrated fashion.

:lol:lol

[junior94]

For those people who make themselves aware of even the heavier spoilers, I want to ask, not the specific answer for, but simply if WE WILL get more definitive information about the whispers. Any of you spoiler mongers out there know about that? Just whether or not we'll get any type of solid answer, I don't wanna know the actual answer itself.

Feel free to PM me with the yes/no if that's easier.

[jkrue22]

For all you haters, here's the evidence:

-MIB said he was raised by a crazy mother while looking at Claire, hmm
-Psychic told Claire that she had to raise Aaron, he couldn't be raised by another ("an Other")
-Creepy bloody boy that looked like Aaron, warning Flocke not to hurt "him" (a previous manifestation of Smokey perhaps?)
-There is a good reason we don't know MIB's name yet: either he doesn't have one, or it's a name we recognize. If it's a name we recognize, it could definitely be Aaron (or Walt for that matter), as a way to tie up the mysteries surrounding those characters.

One plausible explanation is that Aaron is or was once a manifestation of Smokey. Maybe Aaron was possessed/infected by Smokey on the island as a vehicle for evil to escape to the mainland... maybe that's why the Others were so interested in children and fertility. Maybe Aaron goes looking for his mother and ends up back on the Island a thousand years ago, only to become one of the first human manifestations of Smokey.

There are a bunch of ways the writers could make this happen. Is it likely? Probably not. But it's a definite possibility. To say it's impossible because "he's only 3" is to miss the whole point of the show - with time travel, anything is possible (how else do you think Adam and Eve got there, if we're assuming they're someone we know?)

[RJP2741]

For all you haters, here's the evidence:

-MIB said he was raised by a crazy mother while looking at Claire, hmm
-Psychic told Claire that she had to raise Aaron, he couldn't be raised by another ("an Other")
-Creepy bloody boy that looked like Aaron, warning Flocke not to hurt "him" (a previous manifestation of Smokey perhaps?)
-There is a good reason we don't know MIB's name yet: either he doesn't have one, or it's a name we recognize. If it's a name we recognize, it could definitely be Aaron (or Walt for that matter), as a way to tie up the mysteries surrounding those characters.

One plausible explanation is that Aaron is or was once a manifestation of Smokey. Maybe Aaron was possessed/infected by Smokey on the island as a vehicle for evil to escape to the mainland... maybe that's why the Others were so interested in children and fertility. Maybe Aaron goes looking for his mother and ends up back on the Island a thousand years ago, only to become one of the first human manifestations of Smokey.

There are a bunch of ways the writers could make this happen. Is it likely? Probably not. But it's a definite possibility. To say it's impossible because "he's only 3" is to miss the whole point of the show - with time travel, anything is possible (how else do you think Adam and Eve got there, if we're assuming they're someone we know?)

I concede the first half of your post. But I disagree completely with the bolded. It isn't plausible for Aaron to be a manifestation of Smokie because...we saw him come out of Claire. If Aaron was to get infected by Smokie, I would have expected the writers to show that to us before now. How could Aaron go looking for his mother and end up on the island 1000 years ago when he was off the island during the time travel and now the island has stopped moving through time.

For the italicized, while technically "anything is possible" for them to follow that mentality would be a huge disservice to the show. Yes, thanks to time travel, they can create paradoxes, explain plot holes, do whatever they want. That doesn't mean that they should, or that it would make sense in any way.

[hulupputree]

For all you haters, here's the evidence:

-MIB said he was raised by a crazy mother while looking at Claire, hmm
-Psychic told Claire that she had to raise Aaron, he couldn't be raised by another ("an Other")
-Creepy bloody boy that looked like Aaron, warning Flocke not to hurt "him" (a previous manifestation of Smokey perhaps?)
-There is a good reason we don't know MIB's name yet: either he doesn't have one, or it's a name we recognize. If it's a name we recognize, it could definitely be Aaron (or Walt for that matter), as a way to tie up the mysteries surrounding those characters.

One plausible explanation is that Aaron is or was once a manifestation of Smokey. Maybe Aaron was possessed/infected by Smokey on the island as a vehicle for evil to escape to the mainland... maybe that's why the Others were so interested in children and fertility. Maybe Aaron goes looking for his mother and ends up back on the Island a thousand years ago, only to become one of the first human manifestations of Smokey.

There are a bunch of ways the writers could make this happen. Is it likely? Probably not. But it's a definite possibility. To say it's impossible because "he's only 3" is to miss the whole point of the show - with time travel, anything is possible (how else do you think Adam and Eve got there, if we're assuming they're someone we know?)

There's also that creepy dream Claire had in S1 that invloved the mobile and Locke with one black eye and one light eye. I need to go watch that again.

[jkrue22]

I concede the first half of your post. But I disagree completely with the bolded. It isn't plausible for Aaron to be a manifestation of Smokie because...we saw him come out of Claire. If Aaron was to get infected by Smokie, I would have expected the writers to show that to us before now. How could Aaron go looking for his mother and end up on the island 1000 years ago when he was off the island during the time travel and now the island has stopped moving through time.

For the italicized, while technically "anything is possible" for them to follow that mentality would be a huge disservice to the show. Yes, thanks to time travel, they can create paradoxes, explain plot holes, do whatever they want. That doesn't mean that they should, or that it would make sense in any way.

To the bolded, when the Oceanic (Five) returned to the Island they were zapped back to 1977. The Island had already "stopped" moving through time though when Locke turned the wheel. If they could go back in time, so could Aaron. Again not saying that will happen, just saying it's one possibility.

[jkrue22]

There's also that creepy dream Claire had in S1 that invloved the mobile and Locke with one black eye and one light eye. I need to go watch that again.

Good point, forgot about that one. Nice avatar choice btw :lol

[RJP2741]

Right, but Aaron didn't come with them and there are now 8 episodes (approx) left. Although technically they could say to the audience "Oh hey, in 2020, Aaron (now 16) took a flight to Guam and got zapped onto the island in the year 400 to become Smokie" there is absolutely no reason to do so and it is essentially suicide for the show.

[Beebz]

For those people who make themselves aware of even the heavier spoilers, I want to ask, not the specific answer for, but simply if WE WILL get more definitive information about the whispers. Any of you spoiler mongers out there know about that? Just whether or not we'll get any type of solid answer, I don't wanna know the actual answer itself.

Feel free to PM me with the yes/no if that's easier.

Yes, there is a definitive answer. That's confirmed. And its supposed to be a good one. No, I dont know what it is, and I dont want to know until its on the show.

For all you haters, here's the evidence:

-MIB said he was raised by a crazy mother while looking at Claire, hmm
-Psychic told Claire that she had to raise Aaron, he couldn't be raised by another ("an Other")
-Creepy bloody boy that looked like Aaron, warning Flocke not to hurt "him" (a previous manifestation of Smokey perhaps?)
-There is a good reason we don't know MIB's name yet: either he doesn't have one, or it's a name we recognize. If it's a name we recognize, it could definitely be Aaron (or Walt for that matter), as a way to tie up the mysteries surrounding those characters.

One plausible explanation is that Aaron is or was once a manifestation of Smokey. Maybe Aaron was possessed/infected by Smokey on the island as a vehicle for evil to escape to the mainland... maybe that's why the Others were so interested in children and fertility. Maybe Aaron goes looking for his mother and ends up back on the Island a thousand years ago, only to become one of the first human manifestations of Smokey.

There are a bunch of ways the writers could make this happen. Is it likely? Probably not. But it's a definite possibility. To say it's impossible because "he's only 3" is to miss the whole point of the show - with time travel, anything is possible (how else do you think Adam and Eve got there, if we're assuming they're someone we know?)

1. John Locke was raised by a crazy mother. We've already seen shades of Locke come through before ("Dont tell me what I cant do!"), and this may be another example. More importantly, I can't tell you why you're barking up the wrong tree with this one in particular, but you are.

2. Insane reach there. The name Others came from the Losties. It would have no context to some random psychic. This is one of those example where we look waaaaaaaaaaaay too far into things.

3. You mean creepy boy that looked like a young Jacob, wearing the same robes as Jacob? That boy?

4. It could be Large Favra, too. You cant just say "it could be that name" without providing some logical explanation as to how that makes the slightest bit of sense. MiB is Walt? Huh? How? Why?

5. :lol:lol:lol, WHAT? How does a three-year-old Aaron just "go back in time" 1,000 years and end up on an island? If he was infected or whatever (another idea that makes no sense), why would he come back if escape was his only goal? It obviously didn't work because MiB is back on the island. None of this makes a lick of sense.

Again, if MiB is Aaron or Walt, Im done with the show.

Oh, and using your brain isnt "hating."

[RJP2741]

Again, if MiB is Aaron or Walt, Im done with the show.

This.

[breckbrew]

3. You mean creepy boy that looked like a young Jacob, wearing the same robes as Jacob? That boy?



:lol:lol:lol

[uro55]

Again, if MiB is Aaron or Walt, Im done with the show.


HAHAHAHAHAHA, you're done with the show in about 6-7 weeks regardless:lol

[Beebz]

HAHAHAHAHAHA, you're done with the show in about 6-7 weeks regardless:lol

True. But that Blu Ray box set is out of the question at least.

[RJP2741]

HAHAHAHAHAHA, you're done with the show in about 6-7 weeks regardless:lol

It's always been a show to go back and rewatch though. I wouldn't ever watch the show again if I knew it was leading up to Aaron being the smoke monster.

[water_into_wine]

What I Liked:

-Boobs

[yellowflame34]

Dirrrrty sun.

Now run, run!

[RJP2741]

What I Liked:

-Boobs

:lol:thumbsup

[water_into_wine]

Room 23 callback was cool.

[yellowflame34]

Not looking good for Kate

[water_into_wine]

Build up more on the theory that Locke might not be able to touch water (They'll going to pull a Shyamalan on us and make the ending like "Signs" :lol). Also build up more on the plot-hole that Smokey was standing in water last season after the Ajira crash. Probably end up explaining it as that he just can't cross or something.

Maybe he just can't swim. That solidifies it: MiB=Walt.

n/r

[RJP2741]

Not looking good for Kate

God I hope she dies.

[twistedmind1586]

I really like how there are always people walking around during the scenes in Lockes camp. Harkens back to the old S1/2 days.

Also, I'll bet my left nut that kid who talked to MIB was Jacob. Positive.

[CaffeineQueen]

Keamy is cracking me up.

[RJP2741]

He's awesome. I wish Keamy was on for longer, or off-island Keamy was more involved.

[wampa3]

DUH DUH DUHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

Come on Desmond, show me Desmond

[twistedmind1586]

If this isn't Desmond I'm going to shit my pants.

[yellowflame34]

it's really gotta be des.

...right?

[water_into_wine]

That shot through the eye was fucking BADASS.

[doesmusicbest]

That shot through the eye was fucking BADASS.

:lol My roommates went nuts, then had to explain to me why it was such a big deal.

[CaffeineQueen]

:lol My roommates went nuts, then had to explain to me why it was such a big deal.

Patchy mcgee?

[Dramageek]

Brotha!

[RJP2741]

See you in anotha life, brotha!

[water_into_wine]

:lol at them not seeing the floating head in the water

[yellowflame34]

Hell yea. Really liked that epi!

[CaffeineQueen]

:multi

[doesmusicbest]

Patchy mcgee?

I just started watching this season. My roommates have been watching from day 1, so they always explain stuff during the commercials.

[UNLTrpt]

I don't get it.

[CaffeineQueen]

I just started watching this season. My roommates have been watching from day 1, so they always explain stuff during the commercials.

Ah. You should start from the beginning, good stuff :thumbsup

[proppenator]

This was an ok episode. I really hate the actress who plays Sun, though, so that really ruins it for me.

[dkubs34]

Patchy mcgee?

what's the story behind this I must have forgotten

[hbktonyb]

Just an ok episode...more set up for the next episode, which is basically what this season has been....every other episode is a build to the next one. Next week will be good.

[CaffeineQueen]

what's the story behind this I must have forgotten

He was the guy at the communication station with the patch on his eye. He pretended to be Dharma but was an Other.

[hbktonyb]

Didn't he also basically blow up Charlie?

[RJP2741]

DamonLindelof

In one week, the conversation is going to change.

From his twitter. Thought that was interesting.

[Styx Cover Band]

Didn't he also basically blow up Charlie?

Yes he did. Ok episode, but Desmond is back so that tips the scales towards a good/great episode

[RJP2741]

Didn't he also basically blow up Charlie?

Yup. He threw the grenade at the window that led to Charlie's drowning.

[hbktonyb]

From his twitter. Thought that was interesting.

Interesting tweet...does he mean the conversation about what is going on, or the fact that most people are not liking the episode this week.

[RJP2741]

Interesting tweet...does he mean the conversation about what is going on, or the fact that most people are not liking the episode this week.

I'm hoping its referring to the criticisms about the Sideways Plot and how the season is moving at a slow pace.

[mja271]

meh. I just have not really enjoyed this season that much. It's alright, but has dissapointed me alot. I'm hoping that when it's all said and done it will make more sense and have more meaning. As of right now though, sadly I'm not even that interested anymore.

[Beebz]

C. Maybe a C-

absolutely nothing interesting on island (everyone knew Desmond was on that sub) and the off island stuff somehow managed to be a rehash of a rehash (Jin/sun pov of sayid's story). I'm trying so damn hard to enjoy these flash sideways but they're just soooooo irrelavent. I don't care what conversation changes next week (lemme guess sun dies off island and therefore drops dead onisland too): they're 10 eps in and we have no idea what were seeing. So frustrating.

[Beebz]

Build up more on the theory that Locke might not be able to touch water (They'll going to pull a Shyamalan on us and make the ending like "Signs" :lol). Also build up more on the plot-hole that Smokey was standing in water last season after the Ajira crash. Probably end up explaining it as that he just can't cross or something.

Maybe he just can't swim. That solidifies it: MiB=Walt.

n/r

:lol :lol :lol

but seriously, it's not a coincidence that the island is underwater and smokey hates water. "water" was also the one word clue lidelof gave about the finale.

[hbktonyb]

I hope it all somehow ties back to time travel, like the island is the only place in the world that can house the 2 different timelines. Maybe thats why fLocke can only cross over certain lines.

[jkrue22]

Early prediction based on next week's title/centricity (I'll tag it just in case):

In Sidewaysland, "the package" refers to the gift Jin is delivering to one Charles Widmore from Mr. Paik: a watch and some money. Something goes awry, and Sayid finds Jin tied up by one of Widmore's goons (Keamy).

On the island "the package" may be whatever is locked in Widmore's sub. (gotta be Desmond, amirite? Halfway through the season and still no sign of him?)


Andddd boom goes the (Black Rock) dynamite!

[DIDriveOut2SPAC]

Andddd boom goes the (Black Rock) dynamite!

dope prediction.

[water_into_wine]

:lol :lol :lol

but seriously, it's not a coincidence that the island is underwater and smokey hates water. "water" was also the one word clue lidelof gave about the finale.

Random thought: The random monsoons throughout the early seasons were caused by Jacob as a way to tame Smokey or send him back to his cave.

Edit: Fuck, I just remembered it was raining when Kate and Juliet were handcuffed together and Smokey came. Disregard.

[DIDriveOut2SPAC]

I never really got how you were able to summon smokey from under Linus's house.

[water_into_wine]

I never really got how you were able to summon smokey from under Linus's house.

Outrageous Doc Jensen-like theory:

Ben pulls the plug which lets water down a tunnel until it floods Smokey's cave forcing him out.

:lol:lol:lol

[keithcoldroses]

Uh fuck the flash sideways. All I gotta say about that ep. Really interested to see what's gonna happen with Desmond though...even though we all knew it was him on the sub.

To elaborate more on the MIB-Aaron theory, remember in one of the eps this season, I think Sundown, the ep ends with Locke/MIB giving Kate a dirty-ass look? Real evil. If that was Aaron, maybe he resents Kate for raising him (she wasn't supposed to, and caused Aaron to be evil). It was the first time MIB/Flocke saw Kate in that form.

I really wouldn't rule anything out in this show, and time traveling makes anything possible. Just some thoughts.

[water_into_wine]

Uh fuck the flash sideways. All I gotta say about that ep. Really interested to see what's gonna happen with Desmond though...even though we all knew it was him on the sub.

To elaborate more on the MIB-Aaron theory, remember in one of the eps this season, I think Sundown, the ep ends with Locke/MIB giving Kate a dirty-ass look? Real evil. If that was Aaron, maybe he resents Kate for raising him (she wasn't supposed to, and caused Aaron to be evil). It was the first time MIB/Flocke saw Kate in that form.

I really wouldn't rule anything out in this show, and time traveling makes anything possible. Just some thoughts.

I don't think he expected her to be there. It wasn't until later he realized how she could be an asset. Either way, I don't think you can really use that as "support" because you're basing that evidence off an assumption that doesn't have evidence either.

[Beebz]

Lost, Season 6, Episode 10: "The Package"

What I liked about "The Package:"

-- Finally showing us what we all knew for some time--that Desmond was in the sub.
-- The Widmore appears to be on Jacob's side, which leads to some interesting questions.
-- Jack being calm, cool and ready to go. He's be bottled up for a month now--time for him to step back into the forefront of the story.
-- Mikael returning (however nonsensically) and getting shot through the eye.
-- Sayid's "I feel nothing" line.

What I didn't like about "The Package:"

-- Almost everything.
-- The flash sideways was even more of a waste of time than usual. It was essentially a complete retread of before, both between Jin and Sun (her dad hates Jin.....yawnnnnn) and in plot (we knew who would come visit Jin and how he'd end up because of Sayid's story). An utter waste of time. Even worse....
-- The island story was a complete drag as well, and it was because of the FS. One of the biggest problems with the FS--one that I never realized before last night--is that island stories are often slowed down or wasted altogether because of the need for each character to get a FS. Evidence? Well.......
-- What happened on-island last night? Nothing. Sun continues to be utterly wasted as a character. Her story last night consisted of her bitching, then running into a tree and suddenly speaking Korean. Come the fuck on. All the shit with Widmore (that he was on Jacob's side, that Desmond was in the sub) could have been revealed in Recon. Its not like that episode had too much else going on.
-- Widmore's goons not seeing a fucking person in the water from two feet away.
-- Back to the FS. While its cool (I guess?) that characters from the show keep popping up in the FS storyline, it feels like they're just there. There's no wow factor because we dont know/care why they're there or what their purpose is. It's sorta like the Seinfeld finale--a bunch of familiar faces from the show's run are shoved into one place, but the story never adds up to more than the sum of its parts.

Grade: C-

Season 6 grades so far:

LA X: B+
What Kate Does: D-
The Substitute: A
The Lighthouse: B
Sundown: B
Dr. Linus: B+
Recon: C
Ab Aeterno: A
The Package: C-

Season 6 average: B- (82.3)

[Jsweeney]

i fear that the show will end and the flash sideways will become the reality, as if the island experience never happened...

[MacGuyver]

I'm starting to thing that too... that at the end, on island time, Jacob/MIB will be able to grant them all the chance to go back and never remember any of this island stuff.... but they all have it kind of in the back of their head, deep in the back of their head, and when they look in mirrors they remember little things, Jack's appendix, Sun's pause in front of the mirror last night. If that's where the show is going... then.... really?

[Beebz]

I'm starting to thing that too... that at the end, on island time, Jacob/MIB will be able to grant them all the chance to go back and never remember any of this island stuff.... but they all have it kind of in the back of their head, deep in the back of their head, and when they look in mirrors they remember little things, Jack's appendix, Sun's pause in front of the mirror last night. If that's where the show is going... then.... really?

I dont know what's more disappointing--that I dont know anything about what Ive been seeing so far, or that I no longer care?

[RJP2741]

The Package.

What I liked:
- Desmond returns!
- Sun's...you know...:hump
- Jack seeming more like Season 1-3 Jack but with a different mindset. He's trying to help everyone again, but with a different purpose.
- Possible foreshadowing of Kate's demise?
- Patchy getting shot in the eye.

What I didn't like:
- We all knew Desmond was the package, just like we all knew that Widmore was on the sub.
- Again, there was no plot advancement. It's easy to pick at the flash sideways and say they aren't going anywhere, but the on-island story has not advanced an inch since Sayid killed Dogen and Smokie wiped out the temple.
- The Sideways Story was weak again, although any time Keamy comes back is okay with me. It reminded me of the beginning of Season 2 where we see the Entrance of the Hatch from multiple points of view, ultimately wasting 3-4 episodes.
- No Jacob, no MIB. Nothing all that interesting from Flocke or Widmore. Sawyer having the same conversations with everyone over the past few episodes. "Hey why are you helping Flocke?" "I'm not helping anyone, I'm conning him, blah blah blah".

What I'm not sure about:
- On the surface there was no plot advancement, but I wonder if Sun getting shot is actually plot advancement in disguise. It would have been more interesting if her island injury corresponded to the flash-sideways injury, but perhaps we are starting to see a connection. Probably not though.
- What Widmore has planned for Desmond.


A pretty weak episode overall, imo. With so few episodes left, I feel like some of the answers and the rest of the plot are going to feel rushed. At this point they might as well just have an episode with Damon and Carlton sitting in a chair reading off the answers to the mysteries. I'm afraid that's what some of these remaining episodes might feel like. Or worse, they could be the complete opposite.

[RJP2741]

I'm starting to thing that too... that at the end, on island time, Jacob/MIB will be able to grant them all the chance to go back and never remember any of this island stuff.... but they all have it kind of in the back of their head, deep in the back of their head, and when they look in mirrors they remember little things, Jack's appendix, Sun's pause in front of the mirror last night. If that's where the show is going... then.... really?

I dont know what's more disappointing--that I dont know anything about what Ive been seeing so far, or that I no longer care?

Agreed. If that's ultimately where they are headed, then it will go down as one of the biggest TV blunders of all time. For the show to end with the Losties ultimately getting their "reset" would be a slap in the face to the audience. We've been watching for 6 years but now, none of the first 5 seasons ultimately matter.

[Beebz]

Agreed. If that's ultimately where they are headed, then it will go down as one of the biggest TV blunders of all time. For the show to end with the Losties ultimately getting their "reset" would be a slap in the face to the audience. We've been watching for 6 years but now, none of the first 5 seasons ultimately matter.

Ive said it before---Lost should have been five seasons. I love that they decided a predetermined end point, but you're right, there is so much more interesting stuff that could have taken place instead of the FS crap.

[monkeyman420]

We're not going to get answers to everything, so start preparing for that. I also don't get the complaints about nothing happening. The show is following the same pattern it always has; this is more of a character driven story than anything else so some episodes are going to drag. I don't know, it seems like a lot of people were expecting this season to be big reveal after big reveal and that's just not the way Lost works.

I thought the episode really wasn't that bad especially after last week's episode. I knew there would be a let down but it wasn't as bad as I thought it would be. It was nice to know Desmond was on the sub, Widmore seems to be on Jacob's side (though he is just there because he wants control over the island), the smoke monster can't cross water as the smoke monster, and that Sun is going to die. I say that because a lot of what is happening in the flash sideways seems to mirror events that happen on the island. With Sun having been shot, I think her time on the island is almost done.

And why do people think Aaron is the MiB? I don't think Aaron has anything to do with the story. If Aaron is supposed to have a role in all of this then I would think that would have been introduced a while ago. With only a few episodes left, I feel it would really cheapen things if all of a sudden Aaron becomes a major player in the story.

[monkeyman420]

Agreed. If that's ultimately where they are headed, then it will go down as one of the biggest TV blunders of all time. For the show to end with the Losties ultimately getting their "reset" would be a slap in the face to the audience. We've been watching for 6 years but now, none of the first 5 seasons ultimately matter.
The flash sideways are not an epilogue. Cuse and Lindeloff stated earlier this season that the flash sideways and island timelines would merge at some point. I must be in the minority because I enjoy the flash sideways; I find them interesting and think it's cool to see these characters I've been following for 5 seasons act just slightly differently from what I've known.

[TapNorris]

Does anyone else read Jeff Fischer's recap on The Wayward Cynic? I've always found them very helpful....

http://www.jeff-fischer.net/?p=3579#more-3579

[RJP2741]

At this point I think it's a more plot-driven show. And the episodes aren't doing nearly as good a job at being character pieces. They are retreading old character points in a slightly different way. The only new character episode, Ab Aeterno, has been considered the best of the season so far. It's all of the other ones (generally) that have been the problem. It's hard to tell the same stories and make them interesting again.

I don't expect (or want) everything to be answered, but they are sure taking their time getting to any answers at all. At this point I think it's clear that they didn't have 18 hours left of story to tell. Or they have severely mis-managed the pacing of this season. One or the other.

[Beebz]

We're not going to get answers to everything, so start preparing for that. I also don't get the complaints about nothing happening. The show is following the same pattern it always has; this is more of a character driven story than anything else so some episodes are going to drag. I don't know, it seems like a lot of people were expecting this season to be big reveal after big reveal and that's just not the way Lost works.

I thought the episode really wasn't that bad especially after last week's episode. I knew there would be a let down but it wasn't as bad as I thought it would be. It was nice to know Desmond was on the sub, Widmore seems to be on Jacob's side (though he is just there because he wants control over the island), the smoke monster can't cross water as the smoke monster, and that Sun is going to die. I say that because a lot of what is happening in the flash sideways seems to mirror events that happen on the island. With Sun having been shot, I think her time on the island is almost done.

And why do people think Aaron is the MiB? I don't think Aaron has anything to do with the story. If Aaron is supposed to have a role in all of this then I would think that would have been introduced a while ago. With only a few episodes left, I feel it would really cheapen things if all of a sudden Aaron becomes a major player in the story.

1. Its the last season. Expectations change. When there are hundreds of mysteries left to answer and we get episodes where Kate cries over Sawyer and Sun runs into a tree and starts speaking Korean like a fucking cartoon character, people are gonna get irritated. When you've been patient for five seasons and it still feels like a stall, people are gonna get irritated. There was an understand that this is what we were waiting for. And we're still waiting.

2. because they've been infected with the sickness.

[GinaNMU]

I'm surprised people didn't enjoy last night more. This thread is really starting to bum me out the way everyone is so negative and demanding every week if something happens that they don't like :lol

This was one of my favorite episodes. I believe that the flash sideways are leading up to something big and great, and I'm surprised more people don't feel that way. Meh. :shrug

[RJP2741]

I'm surprised people didn't enjoy last night more. This thread is really starting to bum me out the way everyone is so negative and demanding every week if something happens that they don't like :lol

This was one of my favorite episodes. I believe that the flash sideways are leading up to something big and great, and I'm surprised more people don't feel that way. Meh. :shrug

I agree with you, it's just taking too long to get there. It's leading to something great, but right now the Flash-Sideways stories are FAR from great.

[Beebz]

I'm surprised people didn't enjoy last night more. This thread is really starting to bum me out the way everyone is so negative and demanding every week if something happens that they don't like :lol

This was one of my favorite episodes. I believe that the flash sideways are leading up to something big and great, and I'm surprised more people don't feel that way. Meh. :shrug

Hell, I just take something happening.

I mean, how would you rate this season so far?

[CaffeineQueen]

I'm surprised people didn't enjoy last night more. This thread is really starting to bum me out the way everyone is so negative and demanding every week if something happens that they don't like :lol

This was one of my favorite episodes. I believe that the flash sideways are leading up to something big and great, and I'm surprised more people don't feel that way. Meh. :shrug

I enjoyed it too.

I think for the most part my opinions of episodes are the opposite of most. I still read for the lolz.

[dmbman32]

Well....this season has definitely been interesting. I remain 100% confident that it all will tie together beautifully, and the flash-sideways are going to be very important.....

However....

I'm also in the camp of people who are getting pissed with this season. It's not as if it's a "bad" season, it's just....a lot of stalling. Think about it:

SEASON 6 ON-ISLAND CURRENT STORY:
-The Smoke Monster is recruiting people to get him off the island
-Jacob is communicating with Hurley to recruit people and protect the island

....and, well.....that's kind of been it. I can write a bunch of little things, but they all can be summarized with those 2 sentences. We're 10 episodes in, and all we've been doing is spending time with both camps, just kind of waitin' 'er out. No deaths, no giant revalations, nothing. Just kind of dancing around the inevitable: A confrontation.

In terms of the flash-sideways, I do enjoy them. I've also recognized that we're probably done with seeing the new ones (all that's left is Hurley, and maybe Desmond). At first, I liked the idea of seeing how all these characters' lives would've been different if the plane hadn't crashed. The idea of seeing a life go right when it could've gone left is interesting. But I agree they've gotten repetetive, even if the concept remains interesting. As I said before, I still maintain these are all very much going to lead to something big. There's no way Lindelof & Cuse are just going to say, "Well, we have to kill some time...I know! Let's just tell a what if? story that won't go anywhere!" No way they're that dumb.

The one thing that I've noticed about this season, more than the others, is the dialogue and interaction has gotten a little too hokey. In past seasons, even though we complained about it, stale scenes involved genuine character interaction (Sawyer stealing the meds, Hurley & co. fixing the car, etc.) Those scenes were at least characters talking in normal dialogue. Now, every conversation is extremeley plot-driven, and a bit over-the-top. We've gone from Locke & Jack quietly interacting in the Hatch, to a cloaked-Japanese guy using an interpreter in a building we haven't seen in 5 seasons? Come one now. It feels more like the dialogue is solely there to move the plot forward, rather than simply interaction. I don't know if that makes any sense, but hopefully you see my point. If I hear "Why are you telling me this?" one more time, my head will explode.

But I still love the show, and I know the ending won't disappoint. Heads will role, big things are about to happen, and I remain optimistic that the season will be regarded at a higher level when all is said and done..........we just have to GET there....

[Beefsteak1138]

Sun looking in the mirror caught my attention. I definitely believe that when the series is over, we will all realize the importance of the flash-sideways and want to rewatch them. That being said, I thought last night's episode was pretty boring but shit is about to blow up.

[41ravens]

do you think it's coincidence that the flash-sideways story that they seemed to have saved for last is hurley's, the semi-schizophrenic who can see dead people?

and does anyone else think there's any correlation between these flash-sideways and desmonds flashes in "the constant"? they seem to be the same sort of thing, where the characters are living an alternate reality, yet they seem to have some recollection of where they've been.

[Beebz]

Well....this season has definitely been interesting. I remain 100% confident that it all will tie together beautifully, and the flash-sideways are going to be very important.....

However....

I'm also in the camp of people who are getting pissed with this season. It's not as if it's a "bad" season, it's just....a lot of stalling. Think about it:

SEASON 6 ON-ISLAND CURRENT STORY:
-The Smoke Monster is recruiting people to get him off the island
-Jacob is communicating with Hurley to recruit people and protect the island

....and, well.....that's kind of been it. I can write a bunch of little things, but they all can be summarized with those 2 sentences. We're 10 episodes in, and all we've been doing is spending time with both camps, just kind of waitin' 'er out. No deaths, no giant revalations, nothing. Just kind of dancing around the inevitable: A confrontation.

In terms of the flash-sideways, I do enjoy them. I've also recognized that we're probably done with seeing the new ones (all that's left is Hurley, and maybe Desmond). At first, I liked the idea of seeing how all these characters' lives would've been different if the plane hadn't crashed. The idea of seeing a life go right when it could've gone left is interesting. But I agree they've gotten repetetive, even if the concept remains interesting. As I said before, I still maintain these are all very much going to lead to something big. There's no way Lindelof & Cuse are just going to say, "Well, we have to kill some time...I know! Let's just tell a what if? story that won't go anywhere!" No way they're that dumb.

The one thing that I've noticed about this season, more than the others, is the dialogue and interaction has gotten a little too hokey. In past seasons, even though we complained about it, stale scenes involved genuine character interaction (Sawyer stealing the meds, Hurley & co. fixing the car, etc.) Those scenes were at least characters talking in normal dialogue. Now, every conversation is extremeley plot-driven, and a bit over-the-top. We've gone from Locke & Jack quietly interacting in the Hatch, to a cloaked-Japanese guy using an interpreter in a building we haven't seen in 5 seasons? Come one now. It feels more like the dialogue is solely there to move the plot forward, rather than simply interaction. I don't know if that makes any sense, but hopefully you see my point. If I hear "Why are you telling me this?" one more time, my head will explode.

But I still love the show, and I know the ending won't disappoint. Heads will role, big things are about to happen, and I remain optimistic that the season will be regarded at a higher level when all is said and done..........we just have to GET there....

Yeah, this is a pretty good post.

We all know something is going to happen, its the fact that its taken this long to happen is infuriating. Like I said before, this isnt season 3 or 4. Its the final half of the final season. And aside from The Substitute and Ab Aeterno, there hasn't been an outstanding episode in the bunch, and we've barely progressed a foot on the island arc.

LIke I said, I dont care about the FS and I dont care if it turns out to be brilliant. Its gone on too long as a gimmick to change my mind now. And I hope Im not ruining anything when I say this, but (I guess I should spoil this those who have seen all the episodes (not counting the finale) still have no idea what they're for. So we're going to have to wait until the last episode of the series for half of the fucking season to make sense.

What's going to happen is that the season will get better toward the end and everyone will say "See, I told you you were jumping the gun!" But pacing matters, and to be 10 episodes in with nothing really major occurring (other than a great flashback episode) is just a mistake. I dont think the season sucks, I think its been poorly paced and plotted. Its still destination viewing.

[Beebz]

do you think it's coincidence that the flash-sideways story that they seemed to have saved for last is hurley's, the semi-schizophrenic who can see dead people?

and does anyone else think there's any correlation between these flash-sideways and desmonds flashes in "the constant"? they seem to be the same sort of thing, where the characters are living an alternate reality, yet they seem to have some recollection of where they've been.

Yes, I was thinking that Hurley's is last for a reason and that Desmond's flashes could tie in. That makes sense. Not so much the dead people thing, but the idea of consciousness zapping back and forth between alternate realities.

[41ravens]

from lostpedia on "the constant"

Back on the beach, Jack and Juliet are worrying about the helicopter, as they haven't heard from Desmond or Sayid for a day now. Juliet notices that Charlotte and Daniel are not so worried, even though the freighter is only 40 miles away - 20 minutes of flying - and questions them about it. Against Charlotte's advice, Daniel admits that the perception of time on the Island might be different than the time experienced off the Island. He says that as long Frank uses the bearings that were given to him, the people on the helicopter should be fine. If not, there could be "side-effects".


Minkowski, relaxed from the drugsMeanwhile, on the upper deck, Sayid surveys the freighter. He notices a closed-circuit camera on the railing beside him. Looking up to a higher deck, he sees Keamy and Frank arguing. As Frank comes down the stairs to meet with Sayid, Sayid asks him why they left at dusk but arrived in midday. Frank doesn't know. Sayid asks for the phone, which Frank will give him only if Sayid gives him the gun. Sayid gives Frank the gun and calls Jack. He tells Jack that Desmond doesn't seem to remember anything; Jack puts the phone on speaker. Daniel asks if Desmond has been subjected to an intense dose of radiation or electromagnetic energy. He then says that by coming out of the Island, some people "might get a little confused", but it is not amnesia.

completely forgot about this. makes perfect sense why jacob and mib saw the black rock sitting comfortably on the water, yet when we saw it from the boat's perspective, the time/weather seemed to have changed.

[Beefsteak1138]

From Damon Lindelof's twitter: In one week, the conversation is going to change

[DMBboi81]

Do we think the Kwon that is on the Lighthouse Wheel / Jacobs Rock is Ji-Yeon, Jin and Sun's daughter; conceived on the island?

[Beebz]

Do we think the Kwon that is on the Lighthouse Wheel / Jacobs Rock is Ji-Yeon, Jin and Sun's daughter; conceived on the island?

Pretty sure the Kwon is Jin at this point.

[breckbrew]

Look, I've said this before, but I'll try to rephrase it - this is the final season, everything has been building (and continues to build) toward some ultimate ending. Now, if you're writing this show, do you have that ultimate, grand finale 3 episodes into the final season? No, you clearly keep it toward the end, which they are doing. But as they've also said, this show, more than anything, is about the characters and I think the producers wanted to give us some perspective on the character's lives post-grand finale. It some yet to be understood sense what happens to them after their island time is up is important, and I think the FSs are a great way to do that. Otherwise, if they would have put the big events in the beginning of the season, they would have ended the season with nothing but the FSs all tied together in a series of episodes. That's probably not the most exciting way to end a series. So instead, we get to see the build-up to the island ending, combined with the post-island lives, which although its sometimes like taking a step-forward, but two steps back, ultimately is the better way to tell this story.

[DMBboi81]

Pretty sure the Kwon is Jin at this point.
:thumbsup

[hulupputree]

The first 10-15 seconds of the episode in night vision. What was that? Going to re-watch to see what I missed.

Does Smokie have issues with water/rain?

Soul-less Sayid creepy swimming like a marmot. hahahahaha!

[breckbrew]

So is Sayid going to bust a cap in Desmond or is his "illness" not quite complete?

[hulupputree]

i fear that the show will end and the flash sideways will become the reality, as if the island experience never happened...

I actually thought the show would end with them landing at LAX never the wiser, but since the final season started that way - it has to be something else...I hope.

[Beebz]

The first 10-15 seconds of the episode in night vision. What was that? Going to re-watch to see what I missed.

Does Smokie have issues with water/rain?

Soul-less Sayid creepy swimming like a marmot. hahahahaha!

It was Widmore's people with the darts.

[hulupputree]

It was Widmore's people with the darts.

Thank you! Makes sense now...


But now I have another question:

Sawyer: Want some cocoa?
Kate: Where'd you find cocoa?
Sawyer: I didn't. It's pretend.


What?

[CaffeineQueen]

From Damon Lindelof's twitter: In one week, the conversation is going to change

yes, I really think it's going to start picking up next week.

[tosssweep]

Ive said it before---Lost should have been five seasons. I love that they decided a predetermined end point, but you're right, there is so much more interesting stuff that could have taken place instead of the FS crap.

Funny you mention that. Back during S3 the negotiations were made. The writers knew they only had 2 full seasons (48 more episodes) of story left to tell but ABC wanted the show on air for 3 more years (6 seasons in all). As everyone knows they compromised and wound up telling 2 seasons worth of material over the last 3 seasons, so S4, S5, and S6 have all been around 16 episodes (17-18 tv hours) compared to S1-S3.

More to your point, I think the writers just utilized the natural season breaks to for story telling simplicity. S4 contained the flash forwards, S5 was time skipping, S6 now has flash sideways. It was bound to be an integrated part of the show regardless of number of seasons since the story still contains the same number of episodes!

[Beebz]

FWIW, it looks like next week's episode is going to suck again, then followed by a strong one, then yet another stinker--the weakest of the second half episodes according to those who have seen it.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_RrObyQ3XzcY/S7NUluWJ5RI/AAAAAAAAybg/nkfOzdDiEKA/s1600/upcoming.png

[Beefsteak1138]

We get it, you don't like this season.

[Beebz]

Funny you mention that. Back during S3 the negotiations were made. The writers knew they only had 2 full seasons (48 more episodes) of story left to tell but ABC wanted the show on air for 3 more years (6 seasons in all). As everyone knows they compromised and wound up telling 2 seasons worth of material over the last 3 seasons, so S4, S5, and S6 have all been around 16 episodes (17-18 tv hours) compared to S1-S3.

More to your point, I think the writers just utilized the natural season breaks to for story telling simplicity. S4 contained the flash forwards, S5 was time skipping, S6 now has flash sideways. It was bound to be an integrated part of the show regardless of number of seasons since the story still contains the same number of episodes!

I agree that the seasons worked well for their respective themes, and it was smart to break them into three years because of the plot devices. As far as material goes, I dont think they had 48 episodes worth. Maybe 38-40. But not 48. They expanded the work to fill the time, IMO.

[Beebz]

We get it, you don't like this season.

I dont hate the season (B-, remember?) but I think it could paced and plotted better.

[CaffeineQueen]

The first 10-15 seconds of the episode in night vision. What was that? Going to re-watch to see what I missed.

Does Smokie have issues with water/rain?

Soul-less Sayid creepy swimming like a marmot. hahahahaha!

Widmore's people coming to steal Jin.

[TapNorris]

Nobody else around here reads this? http://www.jeff-fischer.net/?p=3579#more-3579

Too bad. It's a pretty good recap.

[41ravens]

Nobody else around here reads this? http://www.jeff-fischer.net/?p=3579#more-3579

Too bad. It's a pretty good recap.

i read him and doc jensen every week. it's my wednesday morning routine. i was actually kinda disappointed with wayward today, as it didn't really say much. but it's just some guy doing it on his own free time, so i never really take too much stock into how much, or what, he writes.

[Beebz]

Nobody else around here reads this? http://www.jeff-fischer.net/?p=3579#more-3579

Too bad. It's a pretty good recap.

Yeah its more grounded than Jensen thats for sure. I dont like how he calls MiB Easu though.

[Beebz]

I like the AV Club (http://www.avclub.com/articles/the-package,39696/) and Alan Sepenwall at the StarLedger (http://www.nj.com/entertainment/tv/index.ssf/2010/03/lost_the_package_jin_and_sun_a.html) (fuckin Jersey)

[41ravens]

doc's up.

http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20313460_20355953,00.html

[water_into_wine]

from lostpedia on "the constant"



completely forgot about this. makes perfect sense why jacob and mib saw the black rock sitting comfortably on the water, yet when we saw it from the boat's perspective, the time/weather seemed to have changed.

Yeah, that was similar to my explanation last week.

[keithcoldroses]

Gonna spoiler this just in case, about next weeks ep...

Crazy guest cast next week's DESMOND (obvs) centric episode. Charlie, Dan Faraday, Eloise, Penny, and Caesar (remember him) all guest starring.

[CaffeineQueen]

Gonna spoiler this just in case, about next weeks ep...

Crazy guest cast next week's DESMOND (obvs) centric episode. Charlie, Dan Faraday, Eloise, Penny, and Caesar (remember him) all guest starring.

:multi:multi:multi

[Beebz]

Gonna spoiler this just in case, about next weeks ep...

Crazy guest cast next week's DESMOND (obvs) centric episode. Charlie, Dan Faraday, Eloise, Penny, and Caesar (remember him) all guest starring.

That sounds awesome....wonder why the hell it got such shitty reviews?

[tosssweep]

I agree that the seasons worked well for their respective themes, and it was smart to break them into three years because of the plot devices. As far as material goes, I dont think they had 48 episodes worth. Maybe 38-40. But not 48. They expanded the work to fill the time, IMO.

I halfheartedly agree and disagree with the first post. At times the plot could have been condensed (there has been some odd, filler dialogue the last 2 years) but it is also a character driven show and that makes me think they needed more time to tell the story, not less. *Sigh* & *shrug*

I dont hate the season (B-, remember?) but I think it could paced and plotted better.

I actually think this season has had a quicker pace, in that dialogue between characters has been (for once) very direct. Someone will actually ASK the question on the viewers' minds and someone else will actually respond DIRECTLY. It is less of an action season than we had expected. Even the showdown at the temple was only the last 5-10 minutes of the entire episode. And while I'm probably a more forgiving viewer when it comes to "positioning" and "set up" plots, I have to concede there has been a lot of maneuvering over the last couple seasons.

[hbktonyb]

That sounds awesome....wonder why the hell it got such shitty reviews?

Damn, next week got shitty reviews? :cool

[thebridge15]

Not entirely sure why last night's episode exists...

1. Sun can only speak Korean
2. Desmond is The Package
3. how Jin gets into the freezer

Am I missing something? Can all of that not be accomplished in like 10 minutes of screen time?

[Beebz]

Damn, next week got shitty reviews? :cool

Yeah, it was really poorly rated by everyone who has seen it. Now, it certainly a personal preference, but the site that does this compares the user ratings (20,000+ votes) to the reviewer average and the correlation is remarkable.

[jkrue22]

Yeah, it was really poorly rated by everyone who has seen it. Now, it certainly a personal preference, but the site that does this compares the user ratings (20,000+ votes) to the reviewer average and the correlation is remarkable.

Confirmation bias??

[hbktonyb]

Yeah, it was really poorly rated by everyone who has seen it. Now, it certainly a personal preference, but the site that does this compares the user ratings (20,000+ votes) to the reviewer average and the correlation is remarkable.

That really sucks. Any other ratings available for future episodes?

[GinaNMU]

Look, I've said this before, but I'll try to rephrase it - this is the final season, everything has been building (and continues to build) toward some ultimate ending. Now, if you're writing this show, do you have that ultimate, grand finale 3 episodes into the final season? No, you clearly keep it toward the end, which they are doing. But as they've also said, this show, more than anything, is about the characters and I think the producers wanted to give us some perspective on the character's lives post-grand finale. It some yet to be understood sense what happens to them after their island time is up is important, and I think the FSs are a great way to do that. Otherwise, if they would have put the big events in the beginning of the season, they would have ended the season with nothing but the FSs all tied together in a series of episodes. That's probably not the most exciting way to end a series. So instead, we get to see the build-up to the island ending, combined with the post-island lives, which although its sometimes like taking a step-forward, but two steps back, ultimately is the better way to tell this story.

Totally agreed. Characters and their development and the characters as a whole are what fuels this whole good/evil balance/war we have going here. Without them and knowing the people we've come to connect to, it'd be nothing. No investment at all.

[Dave G]

I had to laugh when Mikhail got shot in the eye

Did anyone catch Jack when he was promising Sun he'd get her off the Island? It looked like he was doing a pretty good Jacob imitation. Right down to the touch and smile.

I'm thinking the final scene could be Jack and Flocke sitting on the beach alone, talking and staring off into the horizon

[41ravens]

I had to laugh when Mikhail got shot in the eye

Did anyone catch Jack when he was promising Sun he'd get her off the Island? It looked like he was doing a pretty good Jacob imitation. Right down to the touch and smile.

I'm thinking the final scene could be Jack and Flocke sitting on the beach alone, talking and staring off into the horizon

i think a lot of people are on board with the final shot being jack and someone having a jacob/mib-type convo on the beach.

i, for one, hope the final shot is the world exploding.

[CaffeineQueen]

I had to laugh when Mikhail got shot in the eye

Did anyone catch Jack when he was promising Sun he'd get her off the Island? It looked like he was doing a pretty good Jacob imitation. Right down to the touch and smile.

I'm thinking the final scene could be Jack and Flocke sitting on the beach alone, talking and staring off into the horizon

it definitely seems that the Locke/Jack as MiB/Jacob is where this is going.

[Beebz]

That really sucks. Any other ratings available for future episodes?

Yeah they're on a link I posted a few pages back.

And I thought about confirmation bias but the eight soources who have rated the episodes gave their scores out of 10. The eight scores were then averaged into a final number. I think Ab Aeterno was like 9.2, the highest.

The reader poll, however, is only out of five, and were talking 10,000 votes an episode. For the ratings to correlate so closely (and I mean three were at 100 percent) is extraordinary. Also, a small fraction of the people who vote in those polls look at the ratings beforehand.

[twistedmind1586]

Desmond is going to be Jacob. That's why Widmore brought him back.

He even did the classic appearance/disappearance on the plane in the premiere that Jacob/MIB are known for. Last thing he said was also very Jacob-like, "nice to meet ya, or see ya again." Also, had contact with Jack (handshake). Then poof, gone.

[jkrue22]

Previously on LOST:

http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r36/jgm1976/lost.jpg

[Beebz]

Previously on LOST:

http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r36/jgm1976/lost.jpg


Haha, yeah, that sucked.

[ProudMonkey420]

looking for a site other than Hulu or TV shack that i can watch the first two episodes of SSN 6 on?

[Rylan]

looking for a site other than Hulu or TV shack that i can watch the first two episodes of SSN 6 on?

The buffering is kind of a bitch but this is the ONLY place I could find to watch it online. Not sure why Hulu, Sidereel and even abc.com don't have these episodes.

LA X pt 1
http://www.wisevid.com/play?v=5AbvqAvfu35b

LA X pt 2
http://www.wisevid.com/gate-way?v=4A_v5Agtcc9b

[MVDMB]

Just chiming in to say that that was one of the worst Lost episodes, also fuck the flash-sideways. Sun too

[RJP2741]

www.ninjavideo.net

[Beebz]

Anyone else catch this? I dont have any idea what he's talking about:


This is, of course, when Keamy mentions THE ISLAND. Yeah, that's right - the island. There's no possible way you can convince me that Keamy didn't say "Just in case you figure out what's about to happen TO THE ISLAND..." here. Closed captioning can kiss my ass, that's what the man said. Maybe it doesn't mean anything, and the writers tossed it in as a joke to get us talking about it. Or maybe it means everything, and Jin - still in a daze from hitting his skull against a metal doorframe - heard Keamy correctly. Either way, we know something is going to happen to the island, back in the regular timeline anyway. Something that sinks it to the bottom of the ocean... probably something we'll see at the end of the show.

[MOWJO8185]

i have to think there is some connection between the fact that Sun can't speak English anymore on the island, and we also never saw her speak English in the flash-sideways... Of course, I have no idea what it is, but I can't imagine they would just throw in Sun losing her English as a gimmick. Maybe the storylines are (somehow) merging?

[Beebz]

i have to think there is some connection between the fact that Sun can't speak English anymore on the island, and we also never saw her speak English in the flash-sideways... Of course, I have no idea what it is, but I can't imagine they would just throw in Sun losing her English as a gimmick. Maybe the storylines are (somehow) merging?

In Vozzek's recap he made the strong case that there are instances of "bleed-through." The mirrors, the scars, the fact that everytime someone goes to sleep on the island they wake up in the FS (or vice versa). The theory makes sense.

[JMcCartyFBI]

i have to think there is some connection between the fact that Sun can't speak English anymore on the island, and we also never saw her speak English in the flash-sideways... Of course, I have no idea what it is, but I can't imagine they would just throw in Sun losing her English as a gimmick. Maybe the storylines are (somehow) merging?

I'd like to think that there's something more significant to it, but these are also the same folks that gave Claire amnesia, which was nothing more than a contrived plot device to delay giving more information about the Others.

Also, is anyone else upset that Miles' character has pretty much been reduced to vocalizing what the audience is thinking? Seriously, he does nothing but talk to dead people and say on screen the reactions we all have to a given plot development.

[Beebz]

I'd like to think that there's something more significant to it, but these are also the same folks that gave Claire amnesia, which was nothing more than a contrived plot device to delay giving more information about the Others.

Also, is anyone else upset that Miles' character has pretty much been reduced to vocalizing what the audience is thinking? Seriously, he does nothing but talk to dead people and say on screen the reactions we all have to a given plot development.

Yeah, he's the Chorus. I like Miles' lines, but Lost is treading dangerously close to breaking that fourth wall with all the in-jokes to fan criticism and theories (Hurley's "Is Richard a cyborg?" line was just awful).

They shouldnt acknowledge the plot contrivances that they themselves have created. That's all.

[breckbrew]

Anyone else catch this? I dont have any idea what he's talking about:

I was going to bring this up; I thought I heard him say something about an island, but I wasn't quite sure and there wasn't much in the context for me to understand what he was saying. Plus, sometimes his pronuciation isn't all that grand. What did the CC say he said? I'll have to try to rewatch that part.

[jkrue22]

I was going to bring this up; I thought I heard him say something about an island, but I wasn't quite sure and there wasn't much in the context for me to understand what he was saying. Plus, sometimes his pronuciation isn't all that grand. What did the CC say he said? I'll have to try to rewatch that part.

I DEFINITELY heard him say "the island" on first watch (as did many people apparently), but figured I just misheard it because it didn't fit in context.

CC said "just in case you figure out what's about to happen to YOU." :confused

[breckbrew]

I DEFINITELY heard him say "the island" on first watch (as did many people apparently), but figured I just misheard it because it didn't fit in context.

CC said "just in case you figure out what's about to happen to YOU." :confused

Weird. Now they're just messing with us!

[monkeyman420]

i have to think there is some connection between the fact that Sun can't speak English anymore on the island, and we also never saw her speak English in the flash-sideways... Of course, I have no idea what it is, but I can't imagine they would just throw in Sun losing her English as a gimmick. Maybe the storylines are (somehow) merging?
Going off what Cuse and Lindeloff said at the beginning of this season, that the 2 timelines would eventually merge, this makes sense. There have been incidents that occur in the flash sideways that mimic what is happening on the island. Sayid's moment in the FS when he meets Keamy and then kills everyone (giving in to his 'dark' side) happens around the same time he is brought back to life on the island in the Temple. I know there have been other moments with other characters but I can't think of any off the top of my head.

And now with Sun being shot in the FS, I bet she dies on the island.

[GinaNMU]

My boyfriend swore he heard it, too. We listened and watched it back and it just sounded like muffled speech to me right when he says "you"...so it could quite possibly be "the island".

How would that make sense do you think? :eek

[Beebz]

My boyfriend swore he heard it, too. We listened and watched it back and it just sounded like muffled speech to me right when he says "you"...so it could quite possibly be "the island".

How would that make sense do you think? :eek

I dont think it would. Its one of those things that's just put in to spark discussion. Honestly, it makes no sense that Keamy would say that.

[GinaNMU]

i have to think there is some connection between the fact that Sun can't speak English anymore on the island, and we also never saw her speak English in the flash-sideways... Of course, I have no idea what it is, but I can't imagine they would just throw in Sun losing her English as a gimmick. Maybe the storylines are (somehow) merging?

There is definitely a connect there, yes. They're starting to really force it into the viewer's minds now that whatever is going on in the flash sideways IS important and mirroring what's going on on the island. It's not just a gimmick...90% of the stuff that happens in this show has meaning :lol

Another thing.... what are you guys making all of these "mirror images" out to be? Are the scenes of the characters looking into mirrors supposed to imply just this? The fact that things are mirroring actions on the island? Other than Jack's cut/the weird appendix scar, have we seen anything suspicious on anyone else?

[DynastyDrummer1]

He said "what's going to happen to you."

No big deal here, let's not make something into more then it really is.

[Joruus]

Another thing.... what are you guys making all of these "mirror images" out to be? Are the scenes of the characters looking into mirrors supposed to imply just this? The fact that things are mirroring actions on the island? Other than Jack's cut/the weird appendix scar, have we seen anything suspicious on anyone else?

We did not see Sayid looking in a mirror. We did however, see his reflection in the front door of Nadia's home. We did not see Jin look into a mirror at all. The rest of the candidates looked in a mirror and we the audience has seen it in a "third person" style.

Ben was shown as a reflection in his microwave.

[41ravens]

i thought we did see sayid look in a mirror at nadia's house at one point?

[RJP2741]

We saw Sayid at least looking at his reflection in the window after he rang the door bell at Nadia's house. And I believe on-island, he looked at his reflection in the pool or a pond or something.

[jkrue22]

We did not see Sayid looking in a mirror. We did however, see his reflection in the front door of Nadia's home. We did not see Jin look into a mirror at all. The rest of the candidates looked in a mirror and we the audience has seen it in a "third person" style.

Ben was shown as a reflection in his microwave.

True, but we did briefly see his reflection in the stainless steel door (when they bashed his head).

[water_into_wine]

Anyone else catch this? I dont have any idea what he's talking about:

I read that review and had to go back to see if he did. It really does sound like it, and I think its just the producers trying to make a joke.

[Beefsteak1138]

ABC April Fool's joke

http://i40.tinypic.com/24n4gbc.jpg

[tosssweep]

I don't recall the exact wording of the quote from Cuse & Lindeloff, but I think they used the word "reconciled" in regards to the two story lines. I think that's a better term than to say they might/will "merge" which to me implies the FS Losties could have a direct contact to the original on-island Losties we've followed for years. That's weird.

I see the regular arch and the FS arch as being in conflict, which would require a "reconciliation" if the story is to be resolved in these final episodes.

[junior94]

Call me crazy, but.... I'm watching "Flashes Before Your Eyes" again, and in the ring buying scene where Des first meets Eloise Hawking, when Des walks in and she calls him out for being a "first timer", that "the new ones are always obvious", I just got the weirdest feeling she was talking about people experiencing time traveling for the first time, not buying some engagement ring.

[davidhamrick10]

new Doc article up.

I'm gonna have to re-read it when I wake up more.

[twistedmind1586]

http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/The_Variable/Theories

There is a lot of good stuff on that page about Desmond and changing timelines. Suggest you all take a look sometime before tonights episode. Can't wait!

[dh4645]

happy lost day!!!

havent been here in a week...hopefully nothing good was discussed since i dont have time to backread since i think i'll actually have to work at work today

[breckbrew]

happy lost day!!!

havent been here in a week...hopefully nothing good was discussed since i dont have time to backread since i think i'll actually have to work at work today

Get your priorities straight man!

[Beebz]

Have no idea what to expect from tonight's episode.

[RJP2741]

Do we know who's centric it is? Hurley's?

[Joruus]

Hidden so I don't get yelled at.
Desmond's (given away by last weeks promo set to bagpipes). Hurley's is the following week with the episode entitled "Everyone Loves Hurley".

[RJP2741]

That's okay, episode titles and centrics aren't spoilers as far as I'm concerned. Thanks! And that is a phenomenal avatar btw.

[dh4645]

Get your priorities straight man!

hah, yeah i know right

[hulupputree]

Call me crazy, but.... I'm watching "Flashes Before Your Eyes" again, and in the ring buying scene where Des first meets Eloise Hawking, when Des walks in and she calls him out for being a "first timer", that "the new ones are always obvious", I just got the weirdest feeling she was talking about people experiencing time traveling for the first time, not buying some engagement ring.


Didn't Eloise say something like "give me the ring back, you're not supposed to buy it!" (as though maybe he wasn't doing this for the first time).

[Beebz]

All the interviews with the actors and entertainment mags say tonights episode is great. But it scored really low on the table. So I wonder whats in store for us....

[breckbrew]

All the interviews with the actors and entertainment mags say tonights episode is great. But it scored really low on the table. So I wonder whats in store for us....

It seems like it should be really good given the supposed importance of Desmond and his absence so far this season.

[twistedmind1586]

All the interviews with the actors and entertainment mags say tonights episode is great. But it scored really low on the table. So I wonder whats in store for us....

Desmond episodes always rule. Rewatched the constant last night. Never ceases to amaze me. Top 5 episode.

[jkrue22]

Yea I wouldn't put too much stock in those early reviews at this point... just enjoy the episodes as they come. Only a few left! And with Desmond back you know tonight should be solid. :thumbsup

[GinaNMU]

Yea I wouldn't put too much stock in those early reviews at this point... just enjoy the episodes as they come. Only a few left! And with Desmond back you know tonight should be solid. :thumbsup

Exactly. I feel like knowing these "ratings" or whatever these early reviews are totally ruin things for people by putting an idea in their heads.

[gocubsgo3822]

got to go back brotha

[sean52692]

It's gonna be good to see Desmond

[dobyblue]

NOT PENNY'S BOAT

OMFG! What an absolutely awesome episode tonight - you guys are going to LOVE it.

:thumbsup:thumbsup:thumbsup:thumbsup:thumbsup

[burnobus7337]

What is the name of the guy who was just Desmond's driver. It is driving me crazy but I can't remember who it is and what he is from...

[OlivePoet]

Who was Widmore's son? I don't remember.

EDIT: Nevermind.

[wampa3]

What da F?

:confused:confused:confused

[dobyblue]

Who was Widmore's son? I don't remember.

You'll find out before the end of the episode.
It's a really good ending.

[OlivePoet]

What is the name of the guy who was just Desmond's driver. It is driving me crazy but I can't remember who it is and what he is from...

Remember when Desmond was locked up on the freighter for being crazy? This driver guy is the other guy who was strapped down for being crazy.

[CaffeineQueen]

What is the name of the guy who was just Desmond's driver. It is driving me crazy but I can't remember who it is and what he is from...

I THINK he was on Widmore's boat, the one that was answering the phone but then he was locked up because he was having flashes like Desmond. Minkowski or something.

[DreamingTree#40]

I just missed the first 12 mins of the episode because my dvr messed up, is it worth waiting to watch later in full or was it pretty basic stuff in the opening scene?

[thebridge15]

Wait, to Heater's question:

What?!?!!!? Desmond?

[CaffeineQueen]

Who was Widmore's son? I don't remember.

EDIT: Nevermind.

Faraday

[burnobus7337]

Remember when Desmond was locked up on the freighter for being crazy? This driver guy is the other guy who was strapped down for being crazy.

Yes! Thanks alot Heater.

[OlivePoet]

You'll find out before the end of the episode.
It's a really good ending.

It's actually posted on Lostopedia. I don't recall if we knew that before or if it was assumed.

[CaffeineQueen]

Oh. Wait what?

[RJP2741]

Remember when Desmond was locked up on the freighter for being crazy? This driver guy is the other guy who was strapped down for being crazy.

Minkowski.

[OlivePoet]

Oh. Wait what?

:lol You're right! I just don't recall if we actually "know" that or not, you know?

[CaffeineQueen]

It's actually posted on Lostopedia. I don't recall if we knew that before or if it was assumed.

There was a scene with Eloise and Charles and she's like I sent my son to get killed, and then he's like he's my son too. Then she slaps him.

[CaffeineQueen]

:lol You're right! I just don't recall if we actually "know" that or not, you know?

:lol that was about Charlie!

[OlivePoet]

There was a scene with Eloise and Charles and she's like I sent my son to get killed, and then he's like he's my son too. Then she slaps him.

That's right! Thanks! :)

[dh4645]

charlie is talkin about claire on the island ..."the truth"?

[OlivePoet]

:lol that was about Charlie!

:lol This is why I don't post while watching the episodes.

I usually watch with my boyfriend, but that's not the case tonight, so I feel lonely. :p

[OlivePoet]

WOAH. :freak

[CaffeineQueen]

Omg!!!

[dh4645]

awesome!!

[water_into_wine]

And there it is. Sideways are now relevant.

Holy. Shit. That was fucking awesomely done.


Also "conscious-altering love" was an awesome line in the bar.

[burnobus7337]

Wow.

[CaffeineQueen]

Wooooooow! But what does it mean!! Ahhhh!

[UNLTrpt]

I have NO idea what's going on.

[OlivePoet]

Fuck yeah. I picked a bad night to watch this alone. I have no one's arm to punch!

[CaffeineQueen]

Fuck yeah. I picked a bad night to watch this alone. I have no one's arm to punch!

I'm stuck on permasmile!

[OlivePoet]

Almost got a crotch shot from Desmond. Damnit.

[yellowflame34]

holy shit!

[OlivePoet]

!!!!

[CaffeineQueen]

Or a charlie butt shot!

[OlivePoet]

Is a little male nudity too much to ask? Come on, it's the last season.

[thebridge15]

Charlie saw Claire, Desmond saw Penny (kind of).

[CaffeineQueen]

:multi :multi

[yellowflame34]

whaatttttt

[water_into_wine]

Episode just keeps getting better...

[OlivePoet]

Fuck yeah!

[CaffeineQueen]

Now THIS is what an episode is supposed to be like!!

[yellowflame34]

lookin good mr farraday! ....err...widdmore

[dh4645]

Now THIS is what an episode is supposed to be like!!

< --- we need to talk

[thebridge15]

We already knew that Faraday was Widmore's son, but the Eloise being a major character was out of nowhere.

[dh4645]

We already knew that Faraday was Widmore's son, but the Eloise being a major character was out of nowhere.

i'd have to disagree with that

[CaffeineQueen]

I love it.

[water_into_wine]

Wow.

That ending was fucking kickass.

[clayj41]

With all due respect to the Richard Alpert origins story, Desmond-centric episodes are Lost's bread and butter. Fucking brilliant!

[sully51]

Ahhhh, Desmond has always been my favorite character on the show. What a great episode!

Next week looks awesome too

[junior94]

Okay this has gone on for long enough -- am I going crazy here or has Sayid's accent changed this season?? I mean the especially strange thing is, it only seems to be sometimes, but still, there's no way it's not intentional, because it's VERY obvious. Sometimes it's pretty much Naveen Andrews' own native British accent.

[dh4645]

With all due respect to the Richard Alpert origins story, Desmond-centric episodes are Lost's bread and butter. Fucking brilliant!

agreed

[thebridge15]

Amazing how Desmond has had three of the best Lost episodes (Flashes Before Your Eyes, The Constant, Happily Ever After).

[twistedmind1586]

The only thing I'm going to regret about Lost is that we never got to see more of Faraday and Desmond. Those two are incredible. Desmond never appeared in enough episodes, and Faraday died much too soon.

Amazing episode.

[hbktonyb]

Thought it was enjoyable, but I feel like, besides the end, this episode already happened. Yes, we know Des is special and can mind jump back and forth, but why?? Needed more from this one.

[yellowflame34]

Desmond is CONSTANTly cool

[UNLTrpt]

I'm so confused :lol

[davedmb41]

wow. this makes my brain hurt. many "duh" and "ahhhh i get" moments tonight. amazing!

[twistedmind1586]

This is it now, they put all the pieces into place, and this is when shit is going to start hitting the fan. There is no more build up. FUCK YES.

[davedmb41]

:loland many "wtf" moments.

[RJP2741]

It's about damn time!!! That was an episode.

[twistedmind1586]

People like Doc Jensen and Vozzek are going to have a field day with this episode :lol

[clayj41]

Thought it was enjoyable, but I feel like, besides the end, this episode already happened. Yes, we know Des is special and can mind jump back and forth, but why?? Needed more from this one.

So the fact that it was the first self aware episode we've had since this "sideways" format was first presented to us means nothing to you?