LOST (the tv show)

[gocubsgo3822]

i jsut had an interaction with a scottish fellow. It took everything in my power not to yell at him "Wheres pennnays boooooooat brotha"

[Beebz]

ABC has found more time to say goobye to "Lost."

The network has decided to supersize its farewell to the iconic drama, expanding a previously announced one-hour pre-show to two full hours. The special is now expected to air from 7-9 p.m. on Sunday, May 23, right before the two-hour "Lost" finale.

Add in a special "Jimmy Kimmel Live" -- "Lost: After the Final Rose"

ummm...quote

[41ravens]

ummm...quote

so it's on a sunday? i did not know that.

and what the shit is with the title of the jimmy kimmel special?

[Beebz]

so it's on a sunday? i did not know that.

and what the shit is with the title of the jimmy kimmel special?

Its a Bachelor joke.

/has watched the Bachelor
//was only half-forced

[breckbrew]

Its a Bachelor joke.

/has watched the Bachelor
//was only half-forced

:lol

[RJP2741]

41ravens: and what the shit is with the title of the jimmy kimmel special?

To answer your question... In the finale, Rose gets cloned several times and starts attacking the Losties. They have to kill off all these different versions of Rose and in the final scene Bernard ends The Final Rose.

[Beebz]

41ravens: and what the shit is with the title of the jimmy kimmel special?

To answer your question... In the finale, Rose gets cloned several times and starts attacking the Losties. They have to kill off all these different versions of Rose and in the final scene Bernard ends The Final Rose.

:eek OMGZ!!1!1111!!!

[RJP2741]

:lol It's sort of a prequel to the zombie season.

[41ravens]

41ravens: and what the shit is with the title of the jimmy kimmel special?

To answer your question... In the finale, Rose gets cloned several times and starts attacking the Losties. They have to kill off all these different versions of Rose and in the final scene Bernard ends The Final Rose.

best. ending. EVER!

and i get the bachelor thing now. they shouldn't fuck with us like that, though.

[twistedmind1586]

I still don't think we've seen the last of Christian Shephard on the island. Claire said, "her friend and my father," and admitted her friend was Flocke. His body was also missing when the plane crashed, Locke's appearance was taken but his original body remained. He's probably got one last scene left with Jack. I hope.

[water_into_wine]

I still don't think we've seen the last of Christian Shephard on the island. Claire said, "her friend and my father," and admitted her friend was Flocke. His body was also missing when the plane crashed, Locke's appearance was taken but his original body remained. He's probably got one last scene left with Jack. I hope.

He fucking better.

[thebridge15]

Yea I'd be pissed if Christian were done.

[clcfball11]

Christian obviously has something going on.

I have faith that the writers will answer some of the biggest questions. Things like Christian, Walt, or really anything that they've gone out of their way to develop a story around MULTIPLE times..should be answered in my opinion

[water_into_wine]

Christian obviously has something going on.

I have faith that the writers will answer some of the biggest questions. Things like Christian, Walt, or really anything that they've gone out of their way to develop a story around MULTIPLE times..should be answered in my opinion

I think they will too, but if they don't I'll be real pissed. Christian has been one of the biggest questions for me.


Also one of the biggest reasons for my excitement of this homestretch is because there is so little time and all of those important questions (Christian, Walt, Aaron) are things I expect to have answered meaning that I have no clue how they are going to come and that they will be awesomely unexpected.

[antsman41]

yeah, Desmond has something shiney on his left hand when he is sitting by jack is episode 1 of this year. reall would like to know why when he doesn't when they land at LAX... fishy shit.

[water_into_wine]

yeah, Desmond has something shiney on his left hand when he is sitting by jack is episode 1 of this year. reall would like to know why when he doesn't when they land at LAX... fishy shit.

Damon "retweeted" someone on Twitter that it could be an early example of a crossing between the universes.

[twistedmind1586]

Damon "retweeted" someone on Twitter that it could be an early example of a crossing between the universes.

:thumbsup

That would be a major continuity error if it meant nothing. Good to hear it may have been on purpose.

[RJP2741]

I think they will too, but if they don't I'll be real pissed. Christian has been one of the biggest questions for me.


Also one of the biggest reasons for my excitement of this homestretch is because there is so little time and all of those important questions (Christian, Walt, Aaron) are things I expect to have answered meaning that I have no clue how they are going to come and that they will be awesomely unexpected.

The Christian thing is bothering me too, he was a great character and I hope they aren't resolving his mystery simply through Ilana's line about how Smokey is stuck as Locke now and can't show up as other apparitions. I'm still very much hoping to see Christian again.

[pathetic]

"i will not just sit around while you sleep with my wife..." jack

"...ughh....let it go, jack" christian

[CaffeineQueen]

Jack gets on my nerves.

Yes, I know I am probably alone in this.

[Beefsteak1138]

Jack gets on my nerves.

Yes, I know I am probably alone in this.

http://www.odoe.net/jackfaces/index.html

[pathetic]

blololol jack faces

[Beebz]

:thumbsup

That would be a major continuity error if it meant nothing. Good to hear it may have been on purpose.

Wonder if he tweeted that after people started asking the question. Im withholding judgment until the finale, but I think this was a gaffe that he corrected through Twitter.

The Christian thing is bothering me too, he was a great character and I hope they aren't resolving his mystery simply through Ilana's line about how Smokey is stuck as Locke now and can't show up as other apparitions. I'm still very much hoping to see Christian again.

There are a hell of a lot of people who need to be seen again (or provide us with an explanation for their being on the island)--Christian and Walt being the most important.

[GinaNMU]

Jack gets on my nerves.

Yes, I know I am probably alone in this.

You're not at all. While I LOVE Jack, a few of my friends are getting way tired/annoyed of him. I think he'll redeem himself though. :)

[CaffeineQueen]

http://www.odoe.net/jackfaces/index.html

AWESOME! :lol

[water_into_wine]

Wonder if he tweeted that after people started asking the question. Im withholding judgment until the finale, but I think this was a gaffe that he corrected through Twitter.


It's possible but it makes just as much sense as Jack having a cut so there is no real problem.




I love Jack, especially over the last two seasons.

[antsman41]

It's possible but it makes just as much sense as Jack having a cut so there is no real problem.




I love Jack, especially over the last two seasons.

Yeah, I can't wait to see the last episode or whichever episode that merges the timeline just to see Jack get cut and then have it carry over...

[water_into_wine]

Yeah, I can't wait to see the last episode or whichever episode that merges the timeline just to see Jack get cut and then have it carry over...

I actually don't think it will happen that way.


I assume he has always kind of had that cut. Haven't been looking for it though.

[Beebz]

Jensen mailbag:

http://popwatch.ew.com/2010/04/11/doc-jensen-sunday-edition-desmonds-walkabout-eloises-pin-and-more-lost-mail/

[41ravens]

one thing i found interesting, and it probably doesn't matter, but when desmond is looking in the screen at the airport, the "status" for the oceanic flight is blank.

http://www.docarzt.com/lost/lost-easter-eggs/lost-6-11-screencaps/

[water_into_wine]

I thought it was interesting that we were shown clouds as the first thing Desmond flashes too.

[CaffeineQueen]

one thing i found interesting, and it probably doesn't matter, but when desmond is looking in the screen at the airport, the "status" for the oceanic flight is blank.

http://www.docarzt.com/lost/lost-easter-eggs/lost-6-11-screencaps/

totally missed the painting on the wall with the scale and black and white. :eek

[41ravens]

totally missed the painting on the wall with the scale and black and white. :eek

yeah, that's pretty cool too. notice how the scale is in balance? widmore's office has always had great artwork hidden in the background.

[CaffeineQueen]

yeah, that's pretty cool too. notice how the scale is in balance? widmore's office has always had great artwork hidden in the background.

yeah, I remember from I think it was the Constant when Desmond flashed back. :thumbsup

[JacobLovesYou]

i noticed in flashes before your eyes a ton of mirror symbolism just like the flash sideways

[Joruus]

Jensen mailbag:

http://popwatch.ew.com/2010/04/11/doc-jensen-sunday-edition-desmonds-walkabout-eloises-pin-and-more-lost-mail/

I'd really like to know what Jensen smokes before he does these. He goes on so many referential tangents that I fall asleep before I finish reading the article. He has some good ideas, but reign it in buddy!

[Beebz]

I'd really like to know what Jensen smokes before he does these. He goes on so many referential tangents that I fall asleep before I finish reading the article. He has some good ideas, but reign it in buddy!

I dont even read them anymore. Its pointless. I dont need 12-page recaps chock full of obscure literary references and allusions to greek mythololgy. It doesnt heighten my enjoyment of the episode in any way.

[Joruus]

I dont even read them anymore. Its pointless. I dont need 12-page recaps chock full of obscure literary references and allusions to greek mythololgy. It doesnt heighten my enjoyment of the episode in any way.

He's Dennis Miller of the Lost fan circle.

[haasem99]

I didn't see this posted.. but I subscribe to TV Guide. Yesterday, I received the new one (which I think will hit newsstands later this week?) and they a picture (a new picture) of cast for the final season. The picture is for sale and is limited. They gave the Web site for where you can order it. I don't have it on me right now, but when I get home, I'll post the link. I think some of you might be interested in potentially getting a copy.

And, happy Lost day!!

[Beefsteak1138]

Best day.

[CaffeineQueen]

happy Lost Day folks!

[GinaNMU]

So pumped for tonight! :D

[Sutmaster6]

L o s t

[dh4645]

I dont even read them anymore. Its pointless. I dont need 12-page recaps chock full of obscure literary references and allusions to greek mythololgy. It doesnt heighten my enjoyment of the episode in any way.

me either. he is all over the place...it's so annoying

[pathetic]

So pumped for tonight! :D

:thumbsup

no sox game tonight! LOST has my full attention

edit: btw i def need to go back to wrigleyville. i went to school in Romeoville, Il (Lewis University) so i mainly went to white sox games cuz the south side was cheaper and closer, but i went to wrigley a few times. wrigleyville was amazing! i was there at a bad time for cubs fans thuogh...postseason time :lol sluggers is a great bar!

[41ravens]

i will agree on jensen. sometimes he will have something that makes me a think a bit, but mostly it's obscure literary references that he just rambles on about. i will admit, though, that right now i'm reading "haroun and the sea of stories" (the book desmond is reading on the plane in the premiere) and it's partially because of his article about it. i know i won't figure out the mysteries of the universe by reading the book, but there are a lot of similarities between the book and stuff on the show, which is kinda cool.

[Beebz]

i will agree on jensen. sometimes he will have something that makes me a think a bit, but mostly it's obscure literary references that he just rambles on about. i will admit, though, that right now i'm reading "haroun and the sea of stories" (the book desmond is reading on the plane in the premiere) and it's partially because of his article about it. i know i won't figure out the mysteries of the universe by reading the book, but there are a lot of similarities between the book and stuff on the show, which is kinda cool.

Yeah, I guess he can provide similar themeatic works that fans of the show would enjoy reading. But if I want a recap with some interesting shit, it's Vozzek or Sepenwall or the AV Club.

[junior94]

Did we ever find out why/how Naomi had the picture of Des & Penny with her when she first crashed? It doesn't seem like the concept of it being Widmore's boat was enough.

[s0628711]

Did we ever find out why/how Naomi had the picture of Des & Penny with her when she first crashed? It doesn't seem like the concept of it being Widmore's boat was enough.
Just an idea here, but maybe Widmore went out of his way to say that "if this man is seen, I want him killed" or something along those lines?

[luke7]

My buddy at work says Ilana's going to die.

[JacobLovesYou]

that would make sense. some deaths need to happen to make things start feeling intense and illana is definitely expendable.

[Beebz]

My buddy at work says (fart sound).

A friend of a cousin said you're an idiot for posting this.

Edit: unless you're just saying your friend is guessing what will happen, in which case I'm an ass.

[Dramageek]

That's my SON!

Was wondering when Michael would make an appearance.

[RJP2741]

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahaaaaltttttttt!

[hbktonyb]

Poor Hugo, Libby was telling the truth! :(

[CaffeineQueen]

:eek :eek

Could it be we're actually getting a twisted answer on Libby???

[luke7]

That was cheap.

[CaffeineQueen]

Well, there goes Ilana. Toodles.

[dmb@uvm]

Saw that one coming...

[Dramageek]

Well that was abrupt.

[CaffeineQueen]

Well that was abrupt.

Seriously. No easing into that one.

[twistedmind1586]

:lol What a way to go.

I'm guessing she's the first in a long line of deaths coming quickly.

[Dramageek]

:lol What a way to go.

I'm guessing she's the first in a long line of deaths coming quickly.

Yes indeed. But who?

[RJP2741]

My buddy at work says Ilana's going to die.

Thanks for that. Dick.

[luke7]

Samm Levine

[hbktonyb]

Now I have to stay out of this thread if spoilers are going to be here for the last 5 episodes!

[RJP2741]

Hopefully it won't be. People have been pretty good about everything up until now.

[dmb@uvm]

some more sweet CGI

[wampa3]

Just like Locke blowing up the sub

[twistedmind1586]

some people are real fuckin douches

[dowling25]

To me this season has been a letdown. I know there are a few episodes left, but really nothing has happened. And we have only gotten a few questions answered. Where is WALT!

[RJP2741]

Teh whizperzzzz!!!!

[dmb@uvm]

Thats got to be the most straight forward they have ever been on giving an answer.

Nice tits Libby :thumbsup

[JMcCartyFBI]

Well that was rather a pathetic reveal.

[hbktonyb]

I'm fine with the whisper answer, but are they stuck because they are dead on the island but alive in another timeline?

[twistedmind1586]

hurley can definitely use her kissing him and triggering memories to his advantage...if you catch my drift

[hbktonyb]

Imagine what a bang session would do for Hugo.

[luke7]

Well at least I didn't ruin everything.

[water_into_wine]

Greatest background music for a LOST promo ever.

[RJP2741]

Well at least I didn't ruin everything.

Just use the spoiler function next time. If you don't know how its:

[ spoiler ] text [ / spoiler ]

Just delete the spaces there.


Now that's an ending.

[dmb@uvm]

meh.

[Dramageek]

Greatest background music for a LOST promo ever.

:thumbsup

[junior94]

Greatest. Preview. Ever. :cool

[dowling25]

Decent episode, but not one of the better ones this season. Had its ups and downs. I am really hoping these final 5 episodes or whatever it is really start getting intense.

[Beebz]

Superb episode. After Ab Aeterno, which was something of an outlier due to it's story structure, this was the best episode of the season.

[junior94]

I liked how we got insight on the whispers, one of the larger mysteries I've always really wondered about, but I'm not sure it still explains why they always seemed to precipitate any of the Others showing up as present.

[JacobLovesYou]

gotta love the willy wonka

[thebridge15]

Superb episode. After Ab Aeterno, which was something of an outlier due to it's story structure, this was the best episode of the season.Really? What made this better than last week's, which basically made this week's possible?

[tarheel997]

this week was great, i loved the twists, and i especially loved seeing a crippled locke get smoked by desmond

[water_into_wine]

:thumbsup

Greatest. Preview. Ever. :cool

gotta love the willy wonka

Seriously, that shit was so much tits. Perfect.

I would not oppose the whole island actually being made of candy and they are really just in Hurley's vision of heaven.



Only thing better for the Whispers answers would have been if they had a bunch of people to demonstrate who was left there. It's cool though because I understand that's hard casting.

[RJP2741]

Seriously, that shit was so much tits. Perfect.

I would not oppose the whole island actually being made of candy and they are really just in Hurley's vision of heaven.



Only thing better for the Whispers answers would have been if they had a bunch of people to demonstrate who was left there. It's cool though because I understand that's hard casting.

Yup. In a perfect world, I'm sure that's how it would've gone down.

Interesting parallel at the end there too, Locke leaves Desmond for dead on the island, and Desmond leaves Locke for dead in the FS.

[wampa3]

I liked how we got insight on the whispers, one of the larger mysteries I've always really wondered about, but I'm not sure it still explains why they always seemed to precipitate any of the Others showing up as present.
yeah, I'm guessing they weren't exactly sure where they were going with it at that point. Either that, or they were just really trying to throw us off. We've gotten insight into what the whispers were since there were some recognizable voices of people that had died. We just never knew what it all meant. Now we know that its people that died that can't leave.

However, one of the voices I remember hearing way back when was Boone's voice. One of his lines was "Dying sucks". Now if what Michael said is true, what did Boone do that would make him trapped on the island and therefore one of the voices? I wonder if that was just a mistake or plot hole.

[junior94]

And to me the ending suggests the universes combining in yet another new way we didn't know before, that there's some sort of parallel of Flocke not being allowed to leave the island, and Desmond trying to kill the real Locke.

[hbktonyb]

I think Des is trying to get Locke to Jack's hospital.

Great episode, one of my favorites of the season.

[water_into_wine]

Yup. In a perfect world, I'm sure that's how it would've gone down.

Interesting parallel at the end there too, Locke leaves Desmond for dead on the island, and Desmond leaves Locke for dead in the FS.

Definitely interesting, but I'm not completely sure Desmond was killing Locke. I took it for Desmond trying to meet him with Jack.

[twistedmind1586]

And to me the ending suggests the universes combining in yet another new way we didn't know before, that there's some sort of parallel of Flocke not being allowed to leave the island, and Desmond trying to kill the real Locke.

I'm thinking it's not the real Locke in sideways world.

[twistedmind1586]

Definitely interesting, but I'm not completely sure Desmond was killing Locke. I took it for Desmond trying to meet him with Jack.

Scratch what I just said...I bet this is the answer.

[thebridge15]

How the series will end: Everyone in the FS realizes what is happening, meets up with their constants, and gets on a plane doomed to crash on the island, but they're happy and ready for it.

[JacobLovesYou]

I liked how we got insight on the whispers, one of the larger mysteries I've always really wondered about, but I'm not sure it still explains why they always seemed to precipitate any of the Others showing up as present.

some things aren't going to work out perfectly. let's just say the whispers happened when before the others showed up because they were trying to warn the losties or something?

[junior94]

Definitely interesting, but I'm not completely sure Desmond was killing Locke. I took it for Desmond trying to meet him with Jack.

Good point.

I also liked how the whole Michael bit ended up, because I was initially thinking that if his only part was that bit in the beginning at the graves, it was very contrived, like they just brought him back just for the sake of being back in the last season.

[twistedmind1586]

Superb episode. After Ab Aeterno, which was something of an outlier due to it's story structure, this was the best episode of the season.

:thumbsup I think Happily Ever After is second (for me), but this one sets the on island story in motion for the last stretch. Can't wait for next week's carnage.

[JacobLovesYou]

yeah some shits going to start hitting the fan. i've got a bad feeling about frank/miles/ben... they aren't candidates and someone is going to bite the dust pretty soon that fans care about

[RJP2741]

I know no one has yet, but please don't post spoilers in here.

[twistedmind1586]

I know no one has yet, but please don't post spoilers in here.

:thumbsup

There really easy to find anyways, no need to put them in here.

[thebridge15]

Not a spoiler, just a thought:

MiB is about to kill upwards of four people next episode

[RJP2741]

:thumbsup

There really easy to find anyways, no need to put them in here.

Exactly, or just use the spoiler tags. I like talking Lost in here but if someone posts a spoiler and ruins the finale I'll be PISSED.

[RJP2741]

We should've made a Lost Dead Pool for this season.

[JacobLovesYou]

I know no one has yet, but please don't post spoilers in here.

the idiot earlier did. if i have to i'll "go dark" these last few weeks. when i read that the season 3 twist got leaked i completely stayed away from anything that could even be remotely related to lost. seeing as how the season 3 finale twist was one of the most jaw dropping things lost as ever done, i'm so amazingly happy about my decision 3 years later i can't even explain it.

[hbktonyb]

Contemplating whether or not to go dark...too worried about spoilers.

[RJP2741]

the idiot earlier did. if i have to i'll "go dark" these last few weeks. when i read that the season 3 twist got leaked i completely stayed away from anything that could even be remotely related to lost. seeing as how the season 3 finale twist was one of the most jaw dropping things lost as ever done, i'm so amazingly happy about my decision 3 years later i can't even explain it.

Contemplating whether or not to go dark...too worried about spoilers.

I'm getting there too. Tonight was the first issue I've had all season. But I stay off Lostpedia these days because I don't want to be spoiled, I don't want to have to stay off this thread too.

If someone ruins the finale, they need to be perma-banned.

[proppenator]

Wow. Best episode of the season? Definitely up there. Blew my mind, what an ending.

[JacobLovesYou]

it's been a 6 year investment. at least one big "what the fuck?!?!!?????" moment is going to happen thats a curve ball nobody saw coming. if it gets ruined for me or anything big gets ruined for me i will go off the deep end.

[twistedmind1586]

I'm getting there too. Tonight was the first issue I've had all season. But I stay off Lostpedia these days because I don't want to be spoiled, I don't want to have to stay off this thread too.

If someone ruins the finale, they need to be perma-banned.

I'm probably ditching this thread at least 2 weeks before the finale airs. I can just picture some asshole on this forum who doesn't watch Lost finding out the ending and posting it.

[twistedmind1586]

Enough spoiler talk though.

I honestly have no idea what the fuck is going to happen these last few episodes. Tonight was the set up of all set ups. But it was a good one.

[thebridge15]

it's been a 6 year investment. at least one big "what the fuck?!?!!?????" moment is going to happen thats a curve ball nobody saw coming. if it gets ruined for me or anything big gets ruined for me i will go off the deep end.This is a good point. I may stop reading this thread soon.

[Dramageek]

it's been a 6 year investment. at least one big "what the fuck?!?!!?????" moment is going to happen thats a curve ball nobody saw coming. if it gets ruined for me or anything big gets ruined for me i will go off the deep end.

This. Details about the finale will leak. It's just reality these days. I don't post in this thread a ton, but I certainly check it. And I don't want to accidentally see a crucial detail. The fun of watching this show unfold is seeing the revelations as they happen. I don't want to have the big ones spoiled.

Those who frequent this thread can make a pact not to post spoilers, but alas that won't stop everyone.

[Rodey]

Only a handful or so more episodes and I'm still pretty clueless, which is why I absolutely love this show.

From tonight's ending, it's obvious that Desmond is like the only one in the altered world that knows what happened back on the island and that's why he did what he did to Locke.

[thebridge15]

Only a handful or so more episodes and I'm still pretty clueless, which is why I absolutely love this show.

From tonight's ending, it's obvious that Desmond is like the only one in the altered world that knows what happened back on the island and that's why he did what he did to Locke.I think Eloise knows what's happening too.

[water_into_wine]

Only a handful or so more episodes and I'm still pretty clueless, which is why I absolutely love this show.

From tonight's ending, it's obvious that Desmond is like the only one in the altered world that knows what happened back on the island and that's why he did what he did to Locke.

I think it's far from obvious.

[JacobLovesYou]

i love i have no idea how this is going to end and feel like i won't until happens in the finale. the only other show that had me completely perplexed until the very end was the shield.

[Beebz]

Really? What made this better than last week's, which basically made this week's possible?

Because this wasnt confusing, had context, was more intereting on-island, and featured much beter progression.

Sure last weeks made this resonate. But that doesn't make the Desmond ep any better for me. IMO, it was still a mistake to go 10 episodes without giving us an inkling of what the FS were n

[thebridge15]

Because this wasnt confusing, had context, was more intereting on-island, and featured much beter progression.

Sure last weeks made this resonate. But that doesn't make the Desmond ep any better for me. IMO, it was still a mistake to go 10 episodes without giving us an inkling of what the FS were nI agree with both the waiting and the preference of on-island action.

[Rodey]

I think it's far from obvious.

Well, yeah... It definitely seems like Desmond is the only one who is really understanding that he was on an island and that something is up. I guess Hurley kind of realized it too now when he kissed Libby.

I'm still thinking that Desmond is a huge piece to something because of the way he's been connected with pretty much everyone in the altered world. Charlie, Widmore, Hurley. It seems like he's going around, trying to find them.

[Beebz]

I just want to remind everyone that there is a week break after next weeks episode.

/ruined great mood

[thebridge15]

I just want to remind everyone that there is a week break after next weeks episode.

/ruined great moodYea, I knew this was happening. Bringing us back to the times during which this website was actually helpful and necessary: http://www.islostnewthisweek.com/

[jmkratt]

I just want to remind everyone that there is a week break after next weeks episode.

/ruined great mood

So terrible. :mad:mad:mad:mad:mad

[jmkratt]

I don't like the way FLocke looked at Sun, Jack, Hurley, and Lapidus. However, still don't know which team to follow.

Also loved the use if Wonka!

[thebridge15]

I don't like the way FLocke looked at Sun, Jack, Hurley, and Lapidus.He really had that "Wow, I'm going to kill all of these people" look, didn't he?

[water_into_wine]

Well, yeah... It definitely seems like Desmond is the only one who is really understanding that he was on an island and that something is up. I guess Hurley kind of realized it too now when he kissed Libby.

I'm still thinking that Desmond is a huge piece to something because of the way he's been connected with pretty much everyone in the altered world. Charlie, Widmore, Hurley. It seems like he's going around, trying to find them.

I misread your post. Sorry.

[DoDaFoo]

Okay episode for this season, but no where near as good as last weeks.

[jkrue22]

Okay episode for this season, but no where near as good as last weeks.

Agreed... I think I enjoyed the promo for next week more than the episode itself. :D I feel like it showed us way more new stuff than the typical promo (like Sun's writing, "You did this to me").

On that note, now we've seen all the main characters in the Sideways World... things are about to get crazy. Anyone know if next week (The Last Recruit?) is centric to any specific character or just an ensemble?

[DIDriveOut2SPAC]

Wow re watching the preview, next week should be intense!

[DIDriveOut2SPAC]

Agreed... I think I enjoyed the promo for next week more than the episode itself. :D I feel like it showed us way more new stuff than the typical promo (like Sun's writing, "You did this to me").

On that note, now we've seen all the main characters in the Sideways World... things are about to get crazy. Anyone know if next week (The Last Recruit?) is centric to any specific character or just an ensemble?

good look, I though it said "You ______ to rot!"

[clcfball11]

Wow re watching the preview, next week should be intense!

Where can I see this preview? If it isn't available anywhere, can u summarize it?

[water_into_wine]

I loved that Hurley finally got his picnic.

[DIDriveOut2SPAC]

Where can I see this preview? If it isn't available anywhere, can u summarize it?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIKCc4NlrjY

[jkrue22]

I loved that Hurley finally got his picnic.

Yes! Anyone else notice the abundance of hot chicks on that beach? No wonder Hurley looked... distracted.

[water_into_wine]

I'm going to play a little Doc Jensen (In terms of literary references, not crazy theories)...

I'm sitting in my Theology class today (Biblical heritage, which I am practically forced to take) and we were going over the gospel of John. My teacher mentions "Jacob's Well" and in a second my mind is on LOST. Here is the main idea from Jesus' encounter with the Samaritan woman at Jacob's well:

"Jesus answered, 'Everyone who drinks this water (the well water) will be thirsty again, but whoever drinks the water I give him will never thirst. Indeed, the water I give him will become in him a spring of water welling up to eternal life.'" John 4:13,14

Just thought it was an interesting possible parallel/reference.

[clcfball11]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIKCc4NlrjY

Holy fuck. Intensity.

[antsman41]

Desmond is just showing Locke that he can infact walk with that whole rundown I bet...

[water_into_wine]

Desmond is just showing Locke that he can infact walk with that whole rundown I bet...

I'm thinking it's to meet up with Jack and then he ends up getting healed.

[jkrue22]

I'm going to play a little Doc Jensen (In terms of literary references, not crazy theories)...

I'm sitting in my Theology class today (Biblical heritage, which I am practically forced to take) and we were going over the gospel of John. My teacher mentions "Jacob's Well" and in a second my mind is on LOST. Here is the main idea from Jesus' encounter with the Samaritan woman at Jacob's well:

"Jesus answered, 'Everyone who drinks this water (the well water) will be thirsty again, but whoever drinks the water I give him will never thirst. Indeed, the water I give him will become in him a spring of water welling up to eternal life.'" John 4:13,14

Just thought it was an interesting possible parallel/reference.

:thumbsup Nice work, and I raise you Genesis 37 - Joseph (Jacob's favorite son, of technicolor dreamcoat fame) was thrown into a well by his brothers (who would later become the 12 tribes of Israel) and then sold into slavery. Of course the story ends "happily ever after" for Joseph, as God uses him to save Egypt (hieroglyphics? Tawaret?) from famine and he even reunites with his own family. Awww... a hint to Desmond's destiny?

I'm pretty sure we could do Doc Jensen's job.

[DIDriveOut2SPAC]

:thumbsup Nice work, and I raise you Genesis 37 - Joseph (Jacob's favorite son, of technicolor dreamcoat fame) was thrown into a well by his brothers (who would later become the 12 tribes of Israel) and then sold into slavery. Of course the story ends "happily ever after" for Joseph, as God uses him to save Egypt (hieroglyphics? Tawaret?) from famine and he even reunites with his own family. Awww... a hint to Desmond's destiny?

I'm pretty sure we could do Doc Jensen's job.

definitely, I was thinking about Joseph as soon as I saw that well today.

[jkrue22]

Lost + Lebowski = awesomeness.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=furb658XCG8

[dowling25]

Superb episode. After Ab Aeterno, which was something of an outlier due to it's story structure, this was the best episode of the season.


Wow, that is an ambitious statement.

[dowling25]

I think Des is trying to get Locke to Jack's hospital.

Great episode, one of my favorites of the season.

Agreed I think Des is trying to show Locke something like he said he was going to do.

When they are close to death that is when they see something, just like with Charlie and Des in the ocean almost drowning.

[antsman41]

Agreed I think Des is trying to show Locke something like he said he was going to do.

When they are close to death that is when they see something, just like with Charlie and Des in the ocean almost drowning.

The alternate Hurley (or Desmond) wasn't about to die when he had his flashes to the real timeline...

[doesmusicbest]

Lost + Lebowski = awesomeness.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=furb658XCG8

:lol:thumbsup

Edit:...

"Where's the money Lebowski?!?"

[water_into_wine]

:thumbsup Nice work, and I raise you Genesis 37 - Joseph (Jacob's favorite son, of technicolor dreamcoat fame) was thrown into a well by his brothers (who would later become the 12 tribes of Israel) and then sold into slavery. Of course the story ends "happily ever after" for Joseph, as God uses him to save Egypt (hieroglyphics? Tawaret?) from famine and he even reunites with his own family. Awww... a hint to Desmond's destiny?

I'm pretty sure we could do Doc Jensen's job.

Yes, we could.

I hate how big he is in the a lot of the fan "culture". He sucks. I still read him though just for the little references I may have missed from previous episodes.

Lost + Lebowski = awesomeness.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=furb658XCG8

:lol:lol:lol

[jkrue22]

The alternate Hurley (or Desmond) wasn't about to die when he had his flashes to the real timeline...

The other way to flash is apparently through contact with someone you loved in the Island World (Desmond actually did both).

Since Locke had no love interest on the Island, near-death experience was the preferred method of enlightenment.

[themaker111]

How the series will end: Everyone in the FS realizes what is happening, meets up with their constants, and gets on a plane doomed to crash on the island, but they're happy and ready for it.

The only problem with this theory is that the island is sunk at the bottom of the ocean from the bomb in the FS as shown in the season premiere.

[jkrue22]

How much freaking dynamite was on the Black Rock anyway? They've now used it about 5 different times (Rousseau's trap, trying to blow up the hatch, sabotaging the Others in the tents, Arzt, Richard, Ilana, etc.) and there's a seemingly endless supply. Not to mention the fact that this supposedly "extremely unstable" dynamite somehow survived the ship's violent crash on the island in the first place.

[water_into_wine]

I think it grew unstable over time. Without looking at the original encounter with Artz, I'm pretty sure that is the case.

[DoDaFoo]

Any Seinfeld fans catch the mention of George's favorite charity when Hugo was talking to his mother?

[jkrue22]

<--- Not a Seinfeld fan but... The Human Fund!

[Beebz]

Wow, that is an ambitious statement.

Not really.

For the first time all season, a flash-sideways story mattered because we (kinda) knew what the fuck was going on and why we should care. The on-island action actually progressed quite nicely, a semi-major character died, path were drawn out, and Desmond was thrown down a mysterious well. It was a fantastic episode.

Actually, I probably still enjoyed The Substitute a little more because of the mythology they unveiled (as always, on-island stuff is much more interesting), but this was 1A. Ab Aeterno was easily my favorite, probably because it was a straight-up flashback with great storytelling and acting.

[Beebz]

Yea, I knew this was happening. Bringing us back to the times during which this website was actually helpful and necessary: http://www.islostnewthisweek.com/

Based on what I've read over the last two weeks (general plot spoilers, nothing specific), they picked a shitty time to take that break.

6.14 is a legitimate game-changer, while 6.15 is, ah, told much differently that any of the other episodes this season. Essentially, you have to wait until 6.16, the first part of the finale, to pick the story from 6.14 back up. So there's already that natural break in the story.

They should have taken the break after 6.14.

[Beebz]

Lost: Season 6, Episode 12: "Everybody Loves Hugo"

What I liked about "Everybody Loves Hugo"

-- That finally, after 11 episodes, a flash-sideways story finally mattered. That in of itself is enough to merit an awesome grade.
-- Locke and Desmond's conversation at the well.
-- Hurley turning into the leader he never was in his other life.
-- The answer about The Whispers. It wasnt an explanation I really needed, but it worked.
-- Desmond straight scolding Locke with a BMW in the FS storyline.
-- The Black Rock getting destroyed by Hurley.
-- Jack finally letting go.
-- The Hurley and Libby story was kind of sweet.
-- Pierre Chang's VO on the Hurley highlight reel
-- "All women are a little crazy, brotha."

What I Didnt Like about "Everybody Loves Hugo"

-- Illana's death. It was telegraphed a mile away and treated just as cavalierly by the characters. A woman just fucking blew up next to you, and no one cares? You just search her shit and have a conversation about what to do next? Groan.......
-- Jack's conservation with Hurley about letting go. It was waaaaaay too spelled out and literal for my tastes. You don't have to beat us over the head with it, writers. We can see the transformation on our own.

Overall grade: A-

Season 6 grades so far:

LA X: B+
What Kate Does: D-
The Substitute: A
The Lighthouse: B
Sundown: B
Dr. Linus: B+
Recon:C
Ab Aeterno: A
The Package: C
Happily Ever After: B+
Everybody Loves Hugo: A-

[Beebz]

Sepenwall (http://www.nj.com/entertainment/tv/index.ssf/2010/04/lost_everybody_loves_hugo_a_si.html), nailing it again:

In the early years of the show, a "Lost" episode and a "Lost" season tended to be constructed the same way: an exciting beginning, then a lot of narrative throat-cleaning, and then an exciting finish. Once Cuse and Lindelof got permission to set an end date and knew what they were moving towards, seasons 4 and 5 became much denser, both from week to week and over the course of each season. Season 6, on the other hand, has felt like a throwback, not just with the return of old characters like Charlie and Boone and, now, Libby, but with the way that we're heading into the home stretch with material that it feels the show would have been better-served to deal with sooner.

Though some of the early sideways stories were entertaining through the sheer force of personality of the actors/characters being spotlighted (Locke, Ben), there was nothing all that interesting about the sideways world itself until last week. By making Desmond aware of the wrongness of the world - and introducing other characters like Charlie and Faraday who also recognized this - we finally tied that world to the one we care about, and created some urgency to our visits to LA. But I'd have rather see this happen a few weeks into the season and not now, not only because it would have given greater purpose to some of those meandering flash-sideways stories like Jack's son or Jin's amazing adventure in the freezer, but because it feels like now that we have a sideways story arc (Desmond tries to nudge the Oceanic passengers into realizing that this world isn't right), the resolution of it is going to feel rushed.

[luke7]

Probably already been said but I'm sure Desmond injuring Locke in the flash sideway will lead to Jack fixing him so that he can walk again and we get a happy ending for the real Locke when the
universes collide and come together in the finale.

[CaffeineQueen]

I loved that Hurley finally got his picnic.

yes!!!! :)

[luke7]

Re: my earlier Desmond running over Locke post.

Or like someone else commented, it was done to get Locke to remember that he can walk.

[CaffeineQueen]

How much freaking dynamite was on the Black Rock anyway? They've now used it about 5 different times (Rousseau's trap, trying to blow up the hatch, sabotaging the Others in the tents, Arzt, Richard, Ilana, etc.) and there's a seemingly endless supply. Not to mention the fact that this supposedly "extremely unstable" dynamite somehow survived the ship's violent crash on the island in the first place.

It's unstable because it's been sitting there for x amount of years sweating.

[OlivePoet]

Definitely interesting, but I'm not completely sure Desmond was killing Locke. I took it for Desmond trying to meet him with Jack.

I thought it was a way for Locke to start having his own visions of his island-life.

[CaffeineQueen]

the only thing I don't like about the whisper explanation is how does Walt fit in?

Every time he showed up there were whispers, but he's not dead?

Is that a prelude to something that was done to Walt or his being "special" or just a fluke?

[OlivePoet]

I just want to remind everyone that there is a week break after next weeks episode.

/ruined great mood

:bounce Actually, that's awesome for me. It's a particularly busy week at school for me.


What does suck is that the finale is on the day of my sister's graduation. Luckily, she's a LOST fan, so we'll likely work the celebrations around the show. :p

[Beebz]

:bounce Actually, that's awesome for me. It's a particularly busy week at school for me.


What does suck is that the finale is on the day of my sister's graduation. Luckily, she's a LOST fan, so we'll likely work the celebrations around the show. :p

Your sister graduates on a Sunday?

[RJP2741]

What I liked:
- Libby's return. I'm glad Hurley got a happy ending of sorts with her.
- All of Desmond. FS Desmond reminded me a lot of when Hurley saw Dead Charlie for the first time back in the mental hospital. And his scenes with Flocke were just awesome. As was him just plowing right through Wheel-chair Locke. He looked almost identical to when Cooper threw him out the window and he was lying on the floor.
- Jack accepting that he can't fix everything. We need more Jack in these last episodes, and I have a feeling we'll be getting it.
- The little kid in the woods. I have a feeling it'll turn out to be some apparition of Jacob, but I think it'll be very interesting.
- Jorge Garcia's acting. He really does have great range for a guy who's usually used as comic relief.
- The answer to the whispers.

What I didn't like:
- Ilana's death. Her character was never fully utilized and now she's gone. Though I didn't really care because I wasn't attached to her character at all either.
- Sayid. It seems like he has Flocke tunnel vision. At the beginning of the season it seemed like Claire was this way too, but she's been a little more sane as of late. Maybe Flocke can control/influence any one infected person?
- The Losties splitting up was a little too convenient for my liking. Though it is sort of interesting. All of the Losties are together with a pilot. All of the remaining Others are together with a guy who can talk to the dead. Are we heading towards the ultimate Losties vs. Others battle?

What I'm not sure about:
- What was Desmond's intention in running over Locke. I really liked the parallel between Des being thrown into a well, and Locke being run over. I think the motivations for each will be interesting. Desmond sees Flocke as John Locke, maybe he knew somehow that Locke was going to try and kill him. Or was he trying to get him to Jack?
- The rest of the season. I don't really have any theories or questions, I have no idea where we're ultimately headed. And I couldn't be happier about it.

[OlivePoet]

Your sister graduates on a Sunday?

Yup. She's in law school and all their graduations are on a Sunday.

EDIT: When I saw "all their graduations", I mean those at her law school. I don't know about other law schools.

EDIT EDIT: Do you think that graduating on a Sunday is weird? There are quite a few schools in Chicago that hold their graduations on Sunday, now that I'm thinking about it.

[pathetic]

the only thing I don't like about the whisper explanation is how does Walt fit in?

Every time he showed up there were whispers, but he's not dead?

Is that a prelude to something that was done to Walt or his being "special" or just a fluke?

i really dont like how they did this...i thought it was a little corny how michael just came out and explained it to hurley :lol

not sure about the walt thing.

[Beefsteak1138]

i really dont like how they did this...i thought it was a little corny how michael just came out and explained it to hurley :lol

not sure about the walt thing.

:lol

First people complain that they aren't enough answers, then they give some and people complain about HOW they do it.

[OlivePoet]

:lol

First people complain that they aren't enough answers, then they give some and people complain about HOW they do it.

:lol

I don't know about you, but I'm just enjoying the show.

[pathetic]

:lol

First people complain that they aren't enough answers, then they give some and people complain about HOW they do it.

i never complained that there werent enough answers... but i see what you mean.

i just thought the way they delivered it was too corny. didnt hurt the episode though.

[Beebz]

:lol

First people complain that they aren't enough answers, then they give some and people complain about HOW they do it.

Well, this was going to happen. Its hard to imagine that the answers we get will be nearly sufficient to support the massive mythology built around them. BSG suffered from the same fate.

People have spent 6 years guessing what all this shit means. To get a relatively simple answer ("We're ghosts unable to leave") could be disappointing to some, especially since that was the obvious, popular guess.

I guess people think this show is beyond what we can guess. So when its something simple like this, a "that's it?" mentality can foster.

[Beebz]

What I liked:
- Libby's return. I'm glad Hurley got a happy ending of sorts with her.
- All of Desmond. FS Desmond reminded me a lot of when Hurley saw Dead Charlie for the first time back in the mental hospital. And his scenes with Flocke were just awesome. As was him just plowing right through Wheel-chair Locke. He looked almost identical to when Cooper threw him out the window and he was lying on the floor.
- Jack accepting that he can't fix everything. We need more Jack in these last episodes, and I have a feeling we'll be getting it.
- The little kid in the woods. I have a feeling it'll turn out to be some apparition of Jacob, but I think it'll be very interesting.
- Jorge Garcia's acting. He really does have great range for a guy who's usually used as comic relief.
- The answer to the whispers.

What I didn't like:
- Ilana's death. Her character was never fully utilized and now she's gone. Though I didn't really care because I wasn't attached to her character at all either.
- Sayid. It seems like he has Flocke tunnel vision. At the beginning of the season it seemed like Claire was this way too, but she's been a little more sane as of late. Maybe Flocke can control/influence any one infected person?
- The Losties splitting up was a little too convenient for my liking. Though it is sort of interesting. All of the Losties are together with a pilot. All of the remaining Others are together with a guy who can talk to the dead. Are we heading towards the ultimate Losties vs. Others battle?

What I'm not sure about:
- What was Desmond's intention in running over Locke. I really liked the parallel between Des being thrown into a well, and Locke being run over. I think the motivations for each will be interesting. Desmond sees Flocke as John Locke, maybe he knew somehow that Locke was going to try and kill him. Or was he trying to get him to Jack?
- The rest of the season. I don't really have any theories or questions, I have no idea where we're ultimately headed. And I couldn't be happier about it.

I was convinced before that this was Jacob. But the way he was dressed--modern clothes--makes me think that its someone else.

It better not be fucking Aaron, I can tell you that much.

[RJP2741]

I was convinced before that this was Jacob. But the way he was dressed--modern clothes--makes me think that its someone else.

It better not be fucking Aaron, I can tell you that much.

I didn't pick up on that, he was wearing different clothes this time? Please, please, don't let it be Aaron. I'll cry.

[Beefsteak1138]

:lol

I don't know about you, but I'm just enjoying the show.

Ditto. I love it, but don't take it too seriously.

[Beebz]

I didn't pick up on that, he was wearing different clothes this time? Please, please, don't let it be Aaron. I'll cry.

I dont know if he was wearing different clothes or if I just noticed it this time. He was wearing a vest with a metal zipper on it this time, that's for sure.

This is from the casting call for the "Boy in Woods"

The casting call described him as "Teenage boy, caucasian, 12-14. Dirty blond hair. Wise beyond his years. He's got intense, searching eyes. He's dealt with a horrible family accident. Even at a young age, he has been put in charge of something very important, and it weighs heavily on his shoulders."[1] (http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Boy_in_the_woods#cite_note-0)

[pathetic]

I didn't pick up on that, he was wearing different clothes this time? Please, please, don't let it be Aaron. I'll cry.

1st time i saw him i thought he was jacob, but now i really do think it's aaron...wamp wamp

[RJP2741]

I dont know if he was wearing different clothes or if I just noticed it this time. He was wearing a vest with a metal zipper on it this time, that's for sure.

This is from the casting call for the "Boy in Woods"

The casting call described him as "Teenage boy, caucasian, 12-14. Dirty blond hair. Wise beyond his years. He's got intense, searching eyes. He's dealt with a horrible family accident. Even at a young age, he has been put in charge of something very important, and it weighs heavily on his shoulders."[1] (http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Boy_in_the_woods#cite_note-0)

That doesn't sound like Aaron, does it? Of course, how could we know, since Aaron is a fucking 3 year old.

But that sounds like it fits more with Jacob. He's certainly wise beyond his years. And I think the other stuff could fit in with his story as well, maybe that's how he got to the island in the first place and got "put in charge."

[Beebz]

1st time i saw him i thought he was jacob, but now i really do think it's aaron...wamp wamp

He looks way too much (http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/File:MysyeriousKid.jpg) like Jacob to be a coincidence. But you never know....

[OlivePoet]

Ditto. I love it, but don't take it too seriously.

:thumbsup It's entertainment. Granted, it's smarter entertainment than most other shows (which is why I like it), but I'm not gonna get upset when an answer is "obvious".

[Beefsteak1138]

:thumbsup It's entertainment. Granted, it's smarter entertainment than most other shows (which is why I like it), but I'm not gonna get upset when an answer is "obvious".

But in one scene Locke's left sleeve was rolled up. In the next it was his right. I want answers!!!!! What does it mean!!!!1111omgBQqqQQ!one!111

[OlivePoet]

But in one scene Locke's left sleeve was rolled up. In the next it was his right. I want answers!!!!! What does it mean!!!!1111omgBQqqQQ!one!111

Seriously?? Fuck this show. It's awful.

[jkrue22]

Yea I really want to know what the deal is with this kid. He looked older and had darker hair this time... definitely resembles Jacob and MIB's reaction seems to support this idea (although he's wearing a dark vest over Jacob's traditional white).

http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/File:6X12_justignorehim.jpg

Or he could be a young MIB (Aaron?). Further support for the Aaron=MIB crowd, the promo shows a split screen with half of Claire's face and half of FLocke... maybe she's his mother! :evil

[OlivePoet]

Claire fucked the smoke monster!! Hot.

[jkrue22]

No, Richard banged the Smoke Monster... Claire is his mother. Get it right. :BANG

http://www.sl-lost.com/2010/03/25/lost-slapdown-part-8/

[OlivePoet]

No, Richard banged the Smoke Monster... Claire is his mother. Get it right. :BANG

http://www.sl-lost.com/2010/03/25/lost-slapdown-part-8/

NICE! I guess that guyliner is actually gayliner.

[41ravens]

yeah, i noticed that in the promo too, about the locke/claire split screen. if aaron ends up being mib, they're going to have to sell it really, really well for me to not be completely disappointed. and even then, it's going to be hard for me to accept it.

[jkrue22]

NICE! I guess that guyliner is actually gayliner.

Smoke Monster is actually androgynous, remember it's taken both male and female forms.

[OlivePoet]

Smoke Monster is actually androgynous, remember it's taken both male and female forms.

Still gay.

[Beefsteak1138]

Smoke Monster is actually androgynous, remember it's taken both male and female forms.

That's hawt. I want to piismb.

[Beebz]

Yea I really want to know what the deal is with this kid. He looked older and had darker hair this time... definitely resembles Jacob and MIB's reaction seems to support this idea (although he's wearing a dark vest over Jacob's traditional white).

http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/File:6X12_justignorehim.jpg

Or he could be a young MIB (Aaron?). Further support for the Aaron=MIB crowd, the promo shows a split screen with half of Claire's face and half of FLocke... maybe she's his mother! :evil

Stoppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppp

[OlivePoet]

Still gay.

That's hawt.

OK, Roger.

[water_into_wine]

I thought it was a way for Locke to start having his own visions of his island-life.

And I thought that was going to be with Jack.


Though the memories seem to be more about "Love", so maybe I'm wrong but I don't know think he was trying to kill him or how it would make "see" again.

[41ravens]

anyone else notice that all the people who have died on the island are the ones facilitating all these memories?

[water_into_wine]

anyone else notice that all the people who have died on the island are the ones facilitating all these memories?

I think that is more coincidence that anything. Practically everyone has died so it doesn't leave a lot of room because the current group on the island dont' have a lot of relationship with each other (Other than Kwon's and Kate's Triangle of Love).

[monkeyman420]

Lost: Season 6, Episode 12: "Everybody Loves Hugo"

What I liked about "Everybody Loves Hugo"

-- That finally, after 11 episodes, a flash-sideways story finally mattered. That in of itself is enough to merit an awesome grade.

See, I kind of take issue with this. The flash-sideways have mattered all season long. We just never knew why. Which is pretty much the norm when it comes to this show. I know you are more interested in the on-island events, but to dismiss an entire new story-telling device because you had no idea how it mattered is pretty weak, in my opinion.

[RJP2741]

See, I kind of take issue with this. The flash-sideways have mattered all season long. We just never knew why. Which is pretty much the norm when it comes to this show. I know you are more interested in the on-island events, but to dismiss an entire new story-telling device because you had no idea how it mattered is pretty weak, in my opinion.

That's the problem. The Desmond episode really should've happened early on in the season to give some relevance to the FS. But for the first 10 episodes, we spent half the time in this FS World that we didn't know or care about with characters we didn't really know or care about. There was no relevance. There was no grounding to the story we've been watching for 6 years now. That was my issue with it.

[Beebz]

See, I kind of take issue with this. The flash-sideways have mattered all season long. We just never knew why. Which is pretty much the norm when it comes to this show. I know you are more interested in the on-island events, but to dismiss an entire new story-telling device because you had no idea how it mattered is pretty weak, in my opinion.

If we the viewer dont know why they matter, than they dont matter. All the other parts of this show that that required long-term patience to understand at least took place in the context of the main story.

This FS storyline introduced bedrock characters living completely different lives, and it came six seasons into the show. Why are we wasting half of 10 episodes on this with no explanation or reason for why we should care?

Sepenwall had it exactly right: they waited way too long to make the Desmond connection, and now all this is going to feel rushed because they need to cram the entire FS resolution into four episodes (6.15 will not have a FS). Not only did they give us something that didnt resonate with the viewer, they waited too long to make us care. IMO, of course.

[RJP2741]

If we the viewer dont know why they matter, than they dont matter. All the other parts of this show that that required long-term patience to understand at least took place in the context of the main story.

This FS storyline introduced bedrock characters living completely different lives, and it came six seasons into the show. Why are we wasting half of 10 episodes on this with no explanation or reason for why we should care?

Sepenwall had it exactly right: they waited way too long to make the Desmond connection, and now all this is going to feel rushed because they need to cram the entire FS resolution into four episodes (6.15 will not have a FS). Not only did they give us something that didnt resonate with the viewer, they waited too long to make us care. IMO, of course.

This made me lulz. I'm right there with you though.

[monkeyman420]

I'm still of the opinion that the show is more about the characters and their actions/lives than the mythology of the island. I fail to see how anyone can say the FS is a timeline where we don't know the characters or care about them. We've followed those characters for 6 seasons, we have an understanding of who they are and what they have wanted to be, and to see them in another timeline, one that was caused or at least manipulated by an event we saw took place, has been a lot of fun. I knew all along the two timelines were going to come together, so for me, it's been fun seeing how they are coming together.

[RJP2741]

But those weren't the same characters. The Jack we knew didn't have a son. The Locke we knew wasn't a substitute teacher or engaged, or getting along with his father. The FS characters had different lives and had (seemingly) no recollection of the events of the past 5 seasons. There was no real context to them. Obviously the characters have the same names and are played by the same actors, but the FS versions were completely new and not grounded to the first 5 seasons of the show.

I enjoyed them at first too, it was a cool parallel to past and present on-island events, but it got to be redundant after 3 or 4 of them concluded without any additional plot advancements. I've still enjoyed this season, but I think this was a pretty big miss in terms of how the story of the final season was told.

[Beebz]

I'm still of the opinion that the show is more about the characters and their actions/lives than the mythology of the island. I fail to see how anyone can say the FS is a timeline where we don't know the characters or care about them. We've followed those characters for 6 seasons, we have an understanding of who they are and what they have wanted to be, and to see them in another timeline, one that was caused or at least manipulated by an event we saw took place, has been a lot of fun. I knew all along the two timelines were going to come together, so for me, it's been fun seeing how they are coming together.

To me, they might as well have been different characters played by different actors, because there was no connection to the characters that we've grown to know over the previous five seasons. For as much sense at it made, it was like watching a pilot for a new series.

The writers made a colossal mistake waiting this long to connect the two worlds.

IMO, obviously.

[RJP2741]

I think the Desmond thing needed to happen earlier OR each week the FS centric character needed to develop a little more recognition of the alternate reality than the previous week until Desmond could put it all together. But to have 10 episodes of stagnant plot was not the way to go.

[keithcoldroses]

wow i just watched that ep. easily best of the season. finally some answers/progress.

[Beebz]

I think the Desmond thing needed to happen earlier OR each week the FS centric character needed to develop a little more recognition of the alternate reality than the previous week until Desmond could put it all together. But to have 10 episodes of stagnant plot was not the way to go.

This.

Honestly, it would have been better of the on-island people would have started to have memories of the alternative timeline rather than vice-versa.

Sincerely,
IMO

[water_into_wine]

To me, they might as well have been different characters played by different actors, because there was no connection to the characters that we've grown to know over the previous five seasons. For as much sense at it made, it was like watching a pilot for a new series.

The writers made a colossal mistake waiting this long to connect the two worlds.

IMO, obviously.

Ummmm...going to have to disagree with you there. They were only slightly different but we saw how they changed. We saw redemption. After The Substitute or Dr. Linus we talked about how awesome it was that they were redeemed. I liked Jack's FS too.

IMO there was definite connection with the characters. Let's face it, what you wanted was plot connection and that was really the thing that took up until Desmond.

[keithcoldroses]

i've been extremely critical of this season, but that ep actually mattered.

[RJP2741]

^ That could've worked too. Also diggin' the name change, Imo. :thumbsup:thumbsup

[Beebz]

Ummmm...going to have to disagree with you there. They were only slightly different but we saw how they changed. We saw redemption. After The Substitute or Dr. Linus we talked about how awesome it was that they were redeemed. I liked Jack's FS too.

IMO there was definite connection with the characters. Let's face it, what you wanted was plot connection and that was really the thing that took up until Desmond.

But we didnt know (and still dont, actually) why they had changed. They were completely different people. We didnt know if we were seeing redemption or alternate reality. There was no reason to care. Hence the analogy that we were watching a pilot for a new series.

Contrast how little we cared that Jack was different in the FS with the emotional and mental satisfaction of seeing him change on-island as a result of his circumstances. That was a payoff.

Not one of those first 10 episodes is any better to me because I know there is some loose connection to the island world.

IMO, anyway,

[monkeyman420]

No need to be a smart ass with the IMO stuff.

What does everyone think about what Richard said last night when he asked Hurley to ask Jacob what the island is? He said Jacob told him a while ago what the island is. Now that we know the island has ghosts/souls/whatever of people who, according to Michael, did bad things and cannot move on, does this mean the island is some form of purgatory?

[RJP2741]

No need to be a smart ass with the IMO stuff.

What does everyone think about what Richard said last night when he asked Hurley to ask Jacob what the island is? He said Jacob told him a while ago what the island is. Now that we know the island has ghosts/souls/whatever of people who, according to Michael, did bad things and cannot move on, does this mean the island is some form of purgatory?

That theory has been rejected by Damon and Carlton back in season 2, so I hope not. It does all seem to fit though.

[Beebz]

No need to be a smart ass with the IMO stuff.

What does everyone think about what Richard said last night when he asked Hurley to ask Jacob what the island is? He said Jacob told him a while ago what the island is. Now that we know the island has ghosts/souls/whatever of people who, according to Michael, did bad things and cannot move on, does this mean the island is some form of purgatory?

1. You should relax, IMO. Im just playin around.

2. I think he wanted Hurley to tell him that the island was a cork.

[monkeyman420]

But we didnt know (and still dont, actually) why they had changed.
The detonation of the fucking bomb. Is it really that hard to grasp that concept?

[monkeyman420]

That theory has been rejected by Damon and Carlton back in season 2, so I hope not. It does all seem to fit though.
I know, which is why I am confused, because after the reveal of the whispers it sure seems like it's some sort of purgatory.

[RJP2741]

The detonation of the fucking bomb. Is it really that hard to grasp that concept?

The bomb went off and they all survived. Yes it seems to have created this alternate universe, but we don't know why or how that happened, or why the Losties are different. They got their reset, but it's a reset gone wrong (or at least different).

[Beebz]

The detonation of the fucking bomb. Is it really that hard to grasp that concept?

So the bomb makes Jack have a kid and Locke go into a wheelchair and Hurley lucky and Sawyer a cop? The bomb was just the physical apparatus for changing the timeline. We dont know why these people are different instead of exactly the same.

[DIDriveOut2SPAC]

I think the boy last night resembled a young Boone

http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/File:6X12_justignorehim.jpg

http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20070609065049/lostpedia/images/3/3e/1x05BoonePromo.jpg

and we know about a lot of influence Boone has in Locke visions.
http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20070616105338/lostpedia/images/3/39/Boone_vision_Locke.JPG
http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/File:DreamBoone.jpg

is he coming back?

[Beefsteak1138]

But we didnt know (and still dont, actually) why they had changed. They were completely different people. We didnt know if we were seeing redemption or alternate reality. There was no reason to care. Hence the analogy that we were watching a pilot for a new series.

Contrast how little we cared that Jack was different in the FS with the emotional and mental satisfaction of seeing him change on-island as a result of his circumstances. That was a payoff.

Not one of those first 10 episodes is any better to me because I know there is some loose connection to the island world.

IMO, anyway,

Sucks to be you. Part of the enjoyment for me was having faith in the Darlton that watching them would pay off. Not knowing why made it even better. Now, in the end if there's no payoff then I will be in your camp. But until then, I think the show has kicked ass this season.

[uro55]

Well last night's ep title was very acurite. Cause, really who doesn't love Hurley? I'm gonna miss his charactor when the show's over.

[41ravens]

I think the boy last night resembled a young Boone

http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/File:6X12_justignorehim.jpg

http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20070609065049/lostpedia/images/3/3e/1x05BoonePromo.jpg

and we know about a lot of influence Boone has in Locke visions.
http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20070616105338/lostpedia/images/3/39/Boone_vision_Locke.JPG
http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/File:DreamBoone.jpg

is he coming back?

not to bust your nuts, but this would make absolutely no sense.

and where is that image of locke and boone from? the one with the escalators?

[Beebz]

Sucks to be you. Part of the enjoyment for me was having faith in the Darlton that watching them would pay off. Not knowing why made it even better. Now, in the end if there's no payoff then I will be in your camp. But until then, I think the show has kicked ass this season.

So you enjoyed those first 10 FS stories? You would put that arc up there with any other season's "non-island" tale?

[DIDriveOut2SPAC]

not to bust your nuts, but this would make absolutely no sense.

and where is that image of locke and boone from? the one with the escalators?

I think its from his sweat lodge vision. Whoever it is, he has a pretty strong influence. He can keep a smoke monster on the ground. That trip scene from awhile back, it has to be big.

[Beefsteak1138]

Yes.

[GinaNMU]

:thumbsup It's entertainment. Granted, it's smarter entertainment than most other shows (which is why I like it), but I'm not gonna get upset when an answer is "obvious".

But in one scene Locke's left sleeve was rolled up. In the next it was his right. I want answers!!!!! What does it mean!!!!1111omgBQqqQQ!one!111

Seriously?? Fuck this show. It's awful.

:lol:lol :thumbsup This shyte is the reason I don't post in here or read in here too often. People are freakin' crazy and take it wayyyyyy too personally/seriously.

[water_into_wine]

Sucks to be you. Part of the enjoyment for me was having faith in the Darlton that watching them would pay off. Not knowing why made it even better. Now, in the end if there's no payoff then I will be in your camp. But until then, I think the show has kicked ass this season.

This :thumbsup:thumbsup

[41ravens]

I think its from his sweat lodge vision. Whoever it is, he has a pretty strong influence. He can keep a smoke monster on the ground. That trip scene from awhile back, it has to be big.

i just don't see why they would reintroduce a character who died 4 seasons ago and have him play a major part in everything. it would seem very awkward and forced.

[breckbrew]

Is anyone a fan of Pierre Chang on facebook or anyone know what the deal with that is?

[Beefsteak1138]

Is anyone a fan of Pierre Chang on facebook or anyone know what the deal with that is?

Trap.

[breckbrew]

Trap.

But there are videos.....with muppets.

[jkrue22]

I'm a fan of the Smoke Monster... he (it) has some pretty awesome status updates.

Last night The Smoke Monster "watched Glee instead."

[twistedmind1586]

The detonation of the fucking bomb. Is it really that hard to grasp that concept?

Then you can you explain why Chang still had both hands? (arms?) Or why Ben's dad said they CHOSE to leave the island? No mention of Ben being shot either.

The bomb would have changed the future, not the past. Is it really that fucking hard to grasp that concept?

We don't necessarily know what caused the alt timeline yet.

[heygoat49]

Everyone is forgetting one of the more awesome aspects of last night's episode:

Libby's cleavage :hump

[monkeyman420]

Then you can you explain why Chang still had both hands? (arms?) Or why Ben's dad said they CHOSE to leave the island? No mention of Ben being shot either.

The bomb would have changed the future, not the past. Is it really that fucking hard to grasp that concept?

We don't necessarily know what caused the alt timeline yet.
Yes, the bomb changed the future, in that timeline. In the island timeline, the detonation put the Losties back to 2007. When everyone went back in time to 1977 and detonated the bomb the new timeline was created.

Basically, there are 2 timelines which begin in 1977. One where the bomb went off and one where it didn't. Everything that we know about the characters in the current 2007 timeline is correct and no matter what happened by going back in time it did not affect them as everything that had happeend, happened in that timeline. The sideways timeline is created/altered by the actiuons of the Losties that went back to 77 and detonated the bomb. Therefore, most of those chararcters were either not born or were very young when that bomb was detonated, and the detonation somehow changed those characters to what we see in the sideways timeline.

Does that make sense? Am I thinking of the 2 timelines correctly, or am I way off here?

[uro55]

Everyone is forgetting one of the more awesome aspects of last night's episode:

Libby's cleavage :hump

Ohhhh I have not forgot that! The shot on the beach? Um....YES:evil

[41ravens]

Yes, the bomb changed the future, in that timeline. In the island timeline, the detonation put the Losties back to 2007. When everyone went back in time to 1977 and detonated the bomb the new timeline was created.

Basically, there are 2 timelines which begin in 1977. One where the bomb went off and one where it didn't. Everything that we know about the characters in the current 2007 timeline is correct and no matter what happened by going back in time it did not affect them as everything that had happeend, happened in that timeline. The sideways timeline is created/altered by the actiuons of the Losties that went back to 77 and detonated the bomb. Therefore, most of those chararcters were either not born or were very young when that bomb was detonated, and the detonation somehow changed those characters to what we see in the sideways timeline.

Does that make sense? Am I thinking of the 2 timelines correctly, or am I way off here?

that doesn't add up. if we're to assume that the bomb went off exactly when it did and changed the course of future from that point, then how did people like chang, ben, ben's dad, all survive? also, chang's hand, which was injured right before the bomb went off, wasn't injured last night.

[dweis90]

Honestly, why is Frank still on the show? To blindly follow people's orders? The only reason for the writers to keep him around is so that MIB forces Frank to pilot the plane off the island. If that's not the reason for him still being on the show, what is?

[uro55]

Honestly, why is Frank still on the show? To blindly follow people's orders? The only reason for the writers to keep him around is so that MIB forces Frank to pilot the plane off the island. If that's not the reason for him still being on the show, what is?

Cause Jeff Fahey (sp?) is fucking badass:thumbsup

[DIDriveOut2SPAC]

Do we know what was in Illahna's pouch last night? The camera focused on Hurley looking into it for a couple of seconds. Also, Hurley's Chicken Posters inside the restaurant have some cool little easter eggs on them!

[SteveIsGood347]

Yes, the bomb changed the future, in that timeline. In the island timeline, the detonation put the Losties back to 2007. When everyone went back in time to 1977 and detonated the bomb the new timeline was created.

Basically, there are 2 timelines which begin in 1977. One where the bomb went off and one where it didn't. Everything that we know about the characters in the current 2007 timeline is correct and no matter what happened by going back in time it did not affect them as everything that had happeend, happened in that timeline. The sideways timeline is created/altered by the actiuons of the Losties that went back to 77 and detonated the bomb. Therefore, most of those chararcters were either not born or were very young when that bomb was detonated, and the detonation somehow changed those characters to what we see in the sideways timeline.

Does that make sense? Am I thinking of the 2 timelines correctly, or am I way off here?

The only issue is that the sideways timeline had to split off before the bomb was detonated. In the Ben episode this season, it references that he and his father were on the island in that time line as well and left. (His father wonders what would have happened if they hadn't left)

But in the standard time line, Ben's dad would still be on the island and Ben would have been taken by Richard when the bomb went off. So something happened to split the time line earlier, or somehow the bomb made events that happened previously to its expolding change.

[jkrue22]

Another Biblical thought related to last night's ep:

I was a little perplexed by FLocke's emphasis on Desmond not being afraid... then I remembered this verse.

"There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear, because fear has to do with punishment. The one who fears is not made perfect in love." - 1 John 4:18

This seems to bring us back to the "whole point" of the series: true conscious-altering love, which Desmond of course has found.

[41ravens]

Do we know what was in Illahna's pouch last night? The camera focused on Hurley looking into it for a couple of seconds. Also, Hurley's Chicken Posters inside the restaurant have some cool little easter eggs on them!

i'm assuming it was her pouch of jacob's ashes.

[monkeyman420]

that doesn't add up. if we're to assume that the bomb went off exactly when it did and changed the course of future from that point, then how did people like chang, ben, ben's dad, all survive? also, chang's hand, which was injured right before the bomb went off, wasn't injured last night.
Yeah, I don't know. The time travel stuff makes my brain hurt. I could be completely wrong in my theory.

[DIDriveOut2SPAC]

i'm assuming it was her pouch of jacob's ashes.

:thumbsup

[Beebz]

The Lapidus character has been completely wasted, as has Miles, Sun, Ilana, and Kate.

Lost has always been about characters, but there are still so many alive, and they have to now share time with flash sideways people, island people, ghosts, Jacobs and MiBs backstories, mythology, and answers. Were in the sixth season and entire characters are not seen for weeks at a time.

Sans Kate, there isn't anyone I want to see killed off, but since we all know peeps are gonna drop, I kinda wish the fat had been trimmed earlier. I don't think miles or frank has had two minutes worth of lines combined all season.

[gocubsgo3822]

if MIB is Aaron i will be angry. that is all

[junior94]

I haven't backread, but did anyone else pick up on the Seinfeld reference?

[DIDriveOut2SPAC]

I haven't backread, but did anyone else pick up on the Seinfeld reference?

:thumbsup

[hbktonyb]

What was the Seinfeld reference?