LOST (the tv show)

[Joruus]

And I'll be curious to see if Lapidus comes back, if he got up and out of the sub somehow ...

Frank's purpose has been served. He was there to make people believe he was going to fly the Ajira plane off the island. That is the only reason he was still on the show. With them not taking the plane, he had no reason to remain alive.

[breckbrew]

Frank's purpose has been served. He was there to make people believe he was going to fly the Ajira plane off the island. That is the only reason he was still on the show. With them not taking the plane, he had no reason to remain alive.

Good point.

[monkeyman68]

I’m sorry but I thought last night’s episode stunk

Sayid’s sacrifice lost much of its potential impact because the writers never devoted any time to the resolution of his personal struggle.

Reuniting Jin and Sun and then immediately killing them in the following episode is the epitome of using lazy writing to cheaply pull at the heart strings of the audience.

[RJP2741]

If you didn't like last night's episode, you might as well stop watching.

[monkeyman68]

If you didn't like last night's episode, you might as well stop watching.

Great response :thumbsup

I’ve been watching Lost from the beginning so I keep watching to the end.

That’s cool if you think Lost is a show that can do no wrong.

[pathetic]

Great response :thumbsup

I’ve been watching Lost from the beginning so I keep watching to the end.

That’s cool if you think Lost is a show that can do no wrong.

you kidding? last night's episode was top 5 of the series. how could anyone not like that episode?

[Beebz]

I’m sorry but I thought last night’s episode stunk

Sayid’s sacrifice lost much of its potential impact because the writers never devoted any time to the resolution of his personal struggle.

Reuniting Jin and Sun and then immediately killing them in the following episode is the epitome of using lazy writing to cheaply pull at the heart strings of the audience.

You can hurl a lot of insults toward the way the Kwons were handled this season, but lazy writing just doesn't fit.

It was prety ballsy to reunite a couple who had been searching for one another for years (decades in Jins case) and then have them die a horrible death the following week. That's pretty fucking uncompromising, and while I don't think it showed that anyone could be killed at any time as darlton claimed (offing Sawyer, Kate, or hurley would have accomplished that far more effctively) it was a pretty strong statement nonetheless.

[monkeyman68]

you kidding? last night's episode was top 5 of the series. how could anyone not like that episode?

Read my original post

Terrible writing sunk the episode for me

[RJP2741]

Great response :thumbsup

I’ve been watching Lost from the beginning so I keep watching to the end.

That’s cool if you think Lost is a show that can do no wrong.

If you've been in this thread this season you know I've been very critical of this season. (Almost as critical as Brian :lol)

You can hurl a lot of insults toward the way the Kwons were handled this season, but lazy writing just doesn't fit.

It was prety ballsy to reunite a couple who had been searching for one another for years (decades in Jins case) and then have them die a horrible death the following week. That's pretty fucking uncompromising, and while I don't think it showed that anyone could be killed at any time as darlton claimed (offing Sawyer, Kate, or hurley would have accomplished that far more effctively) it was a pretty strong statement nonetheless.

Exactly. I just don't buy those reasons as reasons why you don't like the episode. Sayid has been waffling over this struggle since Season 1, last night was the culmination of that struggle.

And I don't have any problems with how Jin/Sun was handled. Bittersweet? Sad? Frustrating? Sure. Lazy? No way. Since they just got reunited, they would seem to be the safest in terms of dying on the show (at least for the following episode) and as Darlton have said, killing them off immediately after their reunion clearly identified Flocke as the bad guy and told the audience "The end is here, no one is safe."

I loved that scene, but the omission of Jin/Sun bringing up Ji Yeon bothered me. But if you can't overlook some of the minor things like that and enjoy an episode as good as last night's was, then like I said originally, you might as well stop watching.

[junior94]

On a smaller character note, 2 weeks ago in "The Last Recruit" is the first time Jack has ever called Sawyer James. Obviously he called him that again in the moment of the bomb, but I think it would've had so much more impact if last night was the first time.

[monkeyman68]

You can hurl a lot of insults toward the way the Kwons were handled this season, but lazy writing just doesn't fit.

It was prety ballsy to reunite a couple who had been searching for one another for years (decades in Jins case) and then have them die a horrible death the following week. That's pretty fucking uncompromising, and while I don't think it showed that anyone could be killed at any time as darlton claimed (offing Sawyer, Kate, or hurley would have accomplished that far more effctively) it was a pretty strong statement nonetheless.

One of the reasons why I love Lost is because it has featured some really great “holy shit, did that just happen?” moments. The reason why these moments are so powerful was because the audience was heavily invested emotionally with the main characters (as a result of superb character development).

Sayid is my favorite character and my reaction to his death was “really?” Even though it was obvious Sayid was going to die, I should have been moved (and yet I wasn’t). I wasn’t sufficiently moved because the writers never gave a satisfactory conclusion to Sayid’s internal struggle.

To pull off the successful “holy shit” moment, the writers still needed to elicit a strong emotional response from the audience. Re-uniting Jin and Sun and then killing them in the next episode is extremely lazy and is the cheapest way to try to get the necessary reaction from the audience.

The deaths of Charlie, Michael, and Juliet blow last night’s deaths out of the water.

It was almost as if the writers just wanted to throw a “holy shit” moment at the viewers for the sake of living up to the show’s reputation.

[Beebz]

One of the reasons why I love Lost is because it has featured some really great “holy shit, did that just happen?” moments. The reason why these moments are so powerful was because the audience was heavily invested emotionally with the main characters (as a result of superb character development).

Sayid is my favorite character and my reaction to his death was “really?” Even though it was obvious Sayid was going to die, I should have been moved (and yet I wasn’t). I wasn’t sufficiently moved because the writers never gave a satisfactory conclusion to Sayid’s internal struggle.

To pull off the successful “holy shit” moment, the writers still needed to elicit a strong emotional response from the audience. Re-uniting Jin and Sun and then killing them in the next episode is extremely lazy and is the cheapest way to try to get the necessary reaction from the audience.

The deaths of Charlie, Michael, and Juliet blow last night’s deaths out of the water.

It was almost as if the writers just wanted to throw a “holy shit” moment at the viewers for the sake of living up to the show’s reputation.

You act like sayid got the short end of some stick. His entire character was about an internal struggle to determine what kind of man he was. The resolution was at the end, he acted selflessly. I don't know how mich more concrete it could be.

And you characterize Jin and Suns deaths as lazy writing but use Juliet and Michael as examples? Juliets death was one of the most hackish, cliched deaths in the entire series. She survived a nuclear bomb, a 100 foot fall and 27 tons of sharp metal long enough to whisper some lame jokes to Sawyer? Come on. And if you didn't think Michael was dying on that frieghter, well, I don't know what to tell you.

The writing wasn't bad, and it gave closure to the stories of Jin, Sun, and Sayid. Now, you may not have agreed with how they went out or preferred they survived, but that's different than bad or incomplete writing.

[junior94]

I'd also been wondering in the wake of the backpack/c4 surprise at the end, was there any kind of indication how that was done, and sure enough, I watched it again and in the whole process of the first wave of people getting on the sub, they VERY CLEARLY show Flocke switching the backpacks right behind Jack and then handing him the one with the bomb :lol

[monkeyman68]

Exactly. I just don't buy those reasons as reasons why you don't like the episode. Sayid has been waffling over this struggle since Season 1, last night was the culmination of that struggle.

And I don't have any problems with how Jin/Sun was handled. Bittersweet? Sad? Frustrating? Sure. Lazy? No way. Since they just got reunited, they would seem to be the safest in terms of dying on the show (at least for the following episode) and as Darlton have said, killing them off immediately after their reunion clearly identified Flocke as the bad guy and told the audience "The end is here, no one is safe."
I loved that scene, but the omission of Jin/Sun bringing up Ji Yeon bothered me. But if you can't overlook some of the minor things like that and enjoy an episode as good as last night's was, then like I said originally, you might as well stop watching.

You kind of make my arguments for me.

You are right. Sayid has been struggling with himself for 6 seasons. Sayid is a major character so you would think that they would devote more than 10 secs to the resolution of the internal conflict that has been bothering Sayid for years.

I really don’t see how anyone could think that Flocke wasn’t evil. Something isn’t right if the writers felt as though they needed to kill the Kwons to show the MIB’s true nature.

Killing the Kwon’s after they are reunited to show the audience that no one is safe is lazy/cheap/piss poor writing. It is as simply as that. If you thought that the writers did the right thing killing the Kwons then I will agree to disagree with you.

[JacobLovesYou]

i partially agree with the sayid thing. i think all it needed was maybe a slo-mo shot of him running with the LOST "about to die" music playing.

the writers didnt just kill the kwons to show MiB is evil, they tried to kill every one of our main characters which truly does show MiB is evil. if everyone but sayid would've got off the sub then it would have been a million times lazier then killing the kwons. as it is, i'm sad to see jin go, but i'm also glad that the show did it. i was talking to my mom about the episode earlier too and we talked about other emotional ass deaths that might be coming up and she maybe hurley and i said maybe ben. do i want to see those two die? hell no. if its done in a great way and makes me feel sad bastard as hell and teary eyed (like with the kwons and charlie), then so be it.

[joshizzle3]

okay so i'm avoiding this thread, but just figured you guys would be happy that the finale is 2.5 hours!
sorry if someone said this... i just don't wanna backread and get spoilers :lorraine

i'm already halfway through season 1... once i finish finals, i'm gonna pick up the pace hardcore and be done by may 23!

[water_into_wine]

Here are Darlton's thoughts on Sayid and the death of Jin and Sun. As you can see, very deliberate and fitting:

Says Cuse: “There will be very little debate at the end of this episode that [Fake Locke] is evil and bad and has to be stopped. The main narrative reason for him killing our main characters is to establish how much of a bad guy he is and to clearly identify him as the antagonist rolling into the end of the series.”

Lindelof recognizes that there’s something “brutal” about killing Jin and Sun just one episode after their long-awaited reunion — which, he says, is exactly what made the lovers such an apt choice for making a statement about Fake Locke’s malevolence. “At least they got to die in each other’s arms, so they’d have some sense of victory,” he says. And Sayid? Lindelof explains: “Sayid’s entire season-long arc has basically been, if you tell him that he is evil, you can convince him he is evil. But if you tell him he is good, maybe you can convince him he is good. We basically decided that in a moment of pure instinct, if he did something, if he sacrificed his own life in favor of saving the other people’s lives, that would convey to the audience, ‘This guy was actually a good guy.’”

The good news for fans of Lost and fans of Jin, Sun, and Sayid in particular is that they are technically still alive — in the Sideways world. “Still, it’s bittersweet,” Yunjin Kim told me in a recent interview. “They were kept separate for so long, and then they came together to die together.” She found it “beautiful” that Sun and Jin were given an end that served as an affirmation of their love and the heroic sacrifices they made for each other. “We’ve come full circle,” she says. “Sun came back to The Island [and] risked her life to save her friends and Jin, and then Jin does the same thing back.” When I asked her how she prepared for Sun’s final Island moments, Kim told this story: “Right before we started shooting, [director] Jack Bender took me aside and told me about story that he read a long time ago, about this woman who was missing her dead husband, and how she had this beach ball that he blew up before he died. Every day she took a little breath from the beach ball. And that really got me right into the emotional core of where I needed to be to play that scene. Can you imagine that woman, taking that breath little by little every day, just to feel her husband’s presence?”

Daniel Dae Kim’s thoughts on the end of Jin and Sun? “They were the Romeo and Juliet of the show, and the fact they didn’t have a happy ending does make me sad,” says the actor, who then expanded on the greater significance of the deaths to the show — but I’m afraid sharing his insights (including his take on the fate of Ji Yeon) at this point would be a bit too spoilerish. What was it like shooting his watery demise? “It was pretty difficult that day,” says Kim. “Shooting in water is never easy. But the crew was considerate and made the water warm for us, in more ways than one. Let’s just say certain members of the crew who were in that water for a very, very, very long time without ever leaving. I’ll just leave it at that.”
Now that’s evil.

[monkeyman68]

You act like sayid got the short end of some stick. His entire character was about an internal struggle to determine what kind of man he was. The resolution was at the end, he acted selflessly. I don't know how mich more concrete it could be.

And you characterize Jin and Suns deaths as lazy writing but use Juliet and Michael as examples? Juliets death was one of the most hackish, cliched deaths in the entire series. She survived a nuclear bomb, a 100 foot fall and 27 tons of sharp metal long enough to whisper some lame jokes to Sawyer? Come on. And if you didn't think Michael was dying on that frieghter, well, I don't know what to tell you.

The writing wasn't bad, and it gave closure to the stories of Jin, Sun, and Sayid. Now, you may not have agreed with how they went out or preferred they survived, but that's different than bad or incomplete writing.

Flocke tells Sayid to help him and he can reunite him with Nadia. Sayid figures that embracing his violent past is worth it to live with Nadia again. Sayid then becomes a broken man and seems to visibly be a shell of his former self. Desmond’s poignant conversation with Sayid presented Sayid with the perfect opportunity to re-evaluate his outlook on his own nature. Desmond’s comments laid the foundation for Sayid’s change of heart but the audience never really gets to see what makes Sayid shun the violence in his life one last time. Are you telling me that you are ok with Desmond’s conversation being enough to help Sayid make up his mind? A simple conversation was all it took? This is an issue that warrants greater attention and yet it was passed over.

The love triangle with Sawyer, Juliet, and Kate at the end of 5 was terrible. You won’t see me argue that with you :lol . I wasn’t clear as I should have been with my previous post. I used Juliet’s death as an example because the writers focused on Juliet before her death so that the viewers knew why she acted the way she did. Corny as it was, at least we understood the motivation behind Juliet’s sacrifice. Sayid, not so much.

I knew Michael was going to die. I used Michael’s death as an example because I thought the writers did a good job of completing his character’s arc. Again, Sayid, not so much

I agree with you that they did a good job bringing closure with Jin and Sun. Killing them off doesn’t bother as much as the timing of when they did it.

[sean52692]

Damn, I had forgotten Sayid died. He was worthless anyways this season...Went from one of the best characters to a boring one

[Beebz]

You kind of make my arguments for me.

You are right. Sayid has been struggling with himself for 6 seasons. Sayid is a major character so you would think that they would devote more than 10 secs to the resolution of the internal conflict that has been bothering Sayid for years.

I really don’t see how anyone could think that Flocke wasn’t evil. Something isn’t right if the writers felt as though they needed to kill the Kwons to show the MIB’s true nature.

Killing the Kwon’s after they are reunited to show the audience that no one is safe is lazy/cheap/piss poor writing. It is as simply as that. If you thought that the writers did the right thing killing the Kwons then I will agree to disagree with you.

dude, what did you want from sayid? A medatative thought process? Exposition that spelled out exactly what he was thinking, using the words "internal" and "conflict" somewhere? THAT would have been lazy writing. They spent an ENTIRE SERIES detailing this mans struggle with who he was inside. He had to make a split second decision, and he chose to save his friends. There's your resolution, brotha.

You don't know why they needed to make MIBs motives clear? Well, I'm with you there: to me there was no doubt he was the bad guy. Buy half the fanbase thought he was the actual protagonist. And to be fair, smokey didn't exactly spell it out. In fact, his entire weapon is deception and misdirection. You didn't know what to believe, by design. So not only did this clear up any ambiguity, it provided closure to Jin and Sun's stories, which had run their course.

[sean52692]

I’m sorry but I thought last night’s episode stunk

Sayid’s sacrifice lost much of its potential impact because the writers never devoted any time to the resolution of his personal struggle.

Reuniting Jin and Sun and then immediately killing them in the following episode is the epitome of using lazy writing to cheaply pull at the heart strings of the audience.

I do agree with that.

This season has been one of my least favorites because they are stretching everything out way too much. The parallel universe is great, but scenes on the island have just been meh.

[water_into_wine]

You act like sayid got the short end of some stick. His entire character was about an internal struggle to determine what kind of man he was. The resolution was at the end, he acted selflessly. I don't know how mich more concrete it could be.

And you characterize Jin and Suns deaths as lazy writing but use Juliet and Michael as examples? Juliets death was one of the most hackish, cliched deaths in the entire series. She survived a nuclear bomb, a 100 foot fall and 27 tons of sharp metal long enough to whisper some lame jokes to Sawyer? Come on. And if you didn't think Michael was dying on that frieghter, well, I don't know what to tell you.

The writing wasn't bad, and it gave closure to the stories of Jin, Sun, and Sayid. Now, you may not have agreed with how they went out or preferred they survived, but that's different than bad or incomplete writing.

I think he might be referring to her "first" death, which was indeed emotional as hell.

I didn't mind her "second" one either.

Flocke tells Sayid to help him and he can reunite him with Nadia. Sayid figures that embracing his violent past is worth it to live with Nadia again. Sayid then becomes a broken man and seems to visibly be a shell of his former self. Desmond’s poignant conversation with Sayid presented Sayid with the perfect opportunity to re-evaluate his outlook on his own nature. Desmond’s comments laid the foundation for Sayid’s change of heart but the audience never really gets to see what makes Sayid shun the violence in his life one last time. Are you telling me that you are ok with Desmond’s conversation being enough to help Sayid make up his mind? A simple conversation was all it took? This is an issue that warrants greater attention and yet it was passed over.

The love triangle with Sawyer, Juliet, and Kate at the end of 5 was terrible. You won’t see me argue that with you :lol . I wasn’t clear as I should have been with my previous post. I used Juliet’s death as an example because the writers focused on Juliet before her death so that the viewers knew why she acted the way she did. Corny as it was, at least we understood the motivation behind Juliet’s sacrifice. Sayid, not so much.

I knew Michael was going to die. I used Michael’s death as an example because I thought the writers did a good job of completing his character’s arc. Again, Sayid, not so much

I agree with you that they did a good job bringing closure with Jin and Sun. Killing them off doesn’t bother as much as the timing of when they did it.

You really need to read my last post.

[water_into_wine]

On rewatch:

-Whoever said Jack offering Claire an Apollo Bar and her refusing definitely was a great little illusion to Jack and Jacob. Great spot.
-The last FS scene is behind only Desmond's "bleed-throughs" as best FS scene. Absolutely fantastic dialogue and acting. Perfect job by O'Quinn and Fox. Also the allusions of "What happened, happened...", "letting go", and "I wish you believed me" were all awesome.

[monkeyman68]

i partially agree with the sayid thing. i think all it needed was maybe a slo-mo shot of him running with the LOST "about to die" music playing.

the writers didnt just kill the kwons to show MiB is evil, they tried to kill every one of our main characters which truly does show MiB is evil. if everyone but sayid would've got off the sub then it would have been a million times lazier then killing the kwons. as it is, i'm sad to see jin go, but i'm also glad that the show did it. i was talking to my mom about the episode earlier too and we talked about other emotional ass deaths that might be coming up and she maybe hurley and i said maybe ben. do i want to see those two die? hell no. if its done in a great way and makes me feel sad bastard as hell and teary eyed (like with the kwons and charlie), then so be it.

I agree that the writers couldn’t just leave it at Sayid and that other characters (not including underused Frank) had to die. They could have killed off some of the other big guns if they were trying to show that no one is safe/the “malevolence” of MIB and still have achieved the same effect. Killing off Sawyer and/or Kate would not have made for the same emotional impact as the killing of the Kwons right after reunion. Hence my lazy complaint.

The explanation for Sayid is weak sauce. Claire tried to kill Kate and Kate called to Sayid for help. Sayid did nothing. Wouldn’t his instinct been to help his friend? What changed from that episode to last night’s episode? Desmond’s conversation? Again, that’s all it took?

[water_into_wine]

I agree that the writers couldn’t just leave it at Sayid and that other characters (not including underused Frank) had to die. They could have killed off some of the other big guns if they were trying to show that no one is safe/the “malevolence” of MIB and still have achieved the same effect. Killing off Sawyer and/or Kate would not have made for the same emotional impact as the killing of the Kwons right after reunion. Hence my lazy complaint.

The explanation for Sayid is weak sauce. Claire tried to kill Kate and Kate called to Sayid for help. Sayid did nothing. Wouldn’t his instinct been to help his friend? What changed from that episode to last night’s episode? Desmond’s conversation? Again, that’s all it took?


Because you failed to backread:

"Lindelof explains: “Sayid’s entire season-long arc has basically been, if you tell him that he is evil, you can convince him he is evil. But if you tell him he is good, maybe you can convince him he is good. We basically decided that in a moment of pure instinct, if he did something, if he sacrificed his own life in favor of saving the other people’s lives, that would convey to the audience, ‘This guy was actually a good guy.’"


Nothing really changed in that moment. Sayid didn't kill Desmond because Desmond convinced him not to. But he acted the way he did in that moment because he truly is good.

I really don't know how much more clear or fitting that can be.

[Rylan]

If you've been in this thread this season you know I've been very critical of this season. (Almost as critical as Brian :lol)



Exactly. I just don't buy those reasons as reasons why you don't like the episode. Sayid has been waffling over this struggle since Season 1, last night was the culmination of that struggle.

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I think it was earlier this season when Sayid said "I am willing to give my life if it means securing rescue, but I am not giving it up for nothing."

[water_into_wine]

Vozzek knocked this prediction out of the park after "The Last Recruit":

Hugo's Star Wars reference here might not be all that far off. While we all watched Sayid's degeneration into a zombie-like bad guy, we've also seen recent signs of improvement. First he lets Zoe live (which didn't make the dark man very happy), and last episode he cared enough to start questioning Flocke's whereabouts and motives. This week, Sayid seems to struggle greatly with shooting Desmond in cold blood.

I think there are two possibilities at this point. In one, Sayid has been playing dumb the whole time, firmly implanting himself within Flocke's camp as a sleeper agent. While I really like this idea, it doesn't seem to make sense for me - especially after watching the way he killed Dogen. That Sayid was just way too dark to be pretending.

More likely I think, Sayid has been gradually 'getting better'. I don't think for a minute that he'll fully recover, but he's consciously regretting his decision to take the dark man's offer and is beginning to rethink things. Sayid is demonstrating remorse and independent thought, which will probably lead to a very kickass uprising. I'd love to see his character go out in a blaze of glory, kicking a huge dent in the MIB's overall master plan as he goes down.

And I don't think for a minute that he killed Desmond in that well.

[monkeyman68]

Because you failed to backread:

"Lindelof explains: “Sayid’s entire season-long arc has basically been, if you tell him that he is evil, you can convince him he is evil. But if you tell him he is good, maybe you can convince him he is good. We basically decided that in a moment of pure instinct, if he did something, if he sacrificed his own life in favor of saving the other people’s lives, that would convey to the audience, ‘This guy was actually a good guy.’"


Nothing really changed in that moment. Sayid didn't kill Desmond because Desmond convinced him not to. But he acted the way he did in that moment because he truly is good.

I really don't know how much more clear or fitting that can be.

Take a chill pill amigo. I read the precious quote that you posted.

Ok, I get it that his pure instinct shows that he is a good person. His “good instinct” was not present when Kate asked for help and yet it was present on the sub. What happened between those two events? Desmond’s convo, right?

Well, we didn’t know what happened to Desmond until about 5 secs before Sayid blew up. In 10 secs Sayid’s struggle was resolved. In the past, Lost writers devoted entire episodes to just the partial resolutions of major/minor character’s struggles. With Sayid, the entire conflict was resolved in 10 secs.

Again, I thought they didn’t do a good job resolving Sayid’s struggle. If you think they did, that’s cool but I’ll agree to disagree.

Cheers!

[ProudMonkey420]

On rewatch:

-Whoever said Jack offering Claire an Apollo Bar and her refusing definitely was a great little illusion to Jack and Jacob. Great spot.
-The last FS scene is behind only Desmond's "bleed-throughs" as best FS scene. Absolutely fantastic dialogue and acting. Perfect job by O'Quinn and Fox. Also the allusions of "What happened, happened...", "letting go", and "I wish you believed me" were all awesome.

This, i got goosebumps when that happened.

also....do we consider the death of Gin, Sun and LB to Sawyer or MiB?

[DoDaFoo]

In my opinion, Sayid's death was one of the best in the history of the series (probably second to Charlie's). When faced with the certainty that all of his friends would die if he did not act, he acted. He made a split second decision that showed what kind of a person he truly was. I am glad that there was not some long explanation as to why Sayid chose to die the way he did. Before that moment, the viewer was still unsure where Sayid stood and it was better that way! I know someone already mentioned Star Wars, but when you look at it, Sayid did exactly what Vader did at the end of Jedi.

[monkeyman68]

In my opinion, Sayid's death was one of the best in the history of the series (probably second to Charlie's). When faced with the certainty that all of his friends would die if he did not act, he acted. He made a split second decision that showed what kind of a person he truly was. I am glad that there was not some long explanation as to why Sayid chose to die the way he did. Before that moment, the viewer was still unsure where Sayid stood and it was better that way! I know someone already mentioned Star Wars, but when you look at it, Sayid did exactly what Vader did at the end of Jedi.

I feel very strongly that Sayid's redemption should have been a major event in the show. Instead, it was over before you knew it. Darth Vader’s transformation back into Anakin is a huge part of Return of the Jedi and the original Star Wars trilogy. If the Lost writers wrote ROTJ, they would have had Darth Vader grab the Emperor, and jump into the energy shaft as soon as he brought Luke to the Emperor’s throne room. No climactic light saber battle. No pleading from Luke to save his life. Nothing.

What do I know? I’m just a disgruntled Sayid fan :lol

[DoDaFoo]

I feel very strongly that Sayid's redemption should have been a major event in the show. Instead, it was over before you knew it. Darth Vader’s transformation back into Anakin is a huge part of Return of the Jedi and the original Star Wars trilogy. If the Lost writers wrote ROTJ, they would have had Darth Vader grab the Emperor, and jump into the energy shaft as soon as he brought Luke to the Emperor’s throne room. No climactic light saber battle. No pleading from Luke to save his life. Nothing.

What do I know? I’m just a disgruntled Sayid fan :lol

Hahahaha. That woulda been a funny ass ending to Jedi. I see your point on that.

I think I just really liked that up until he grabbed the bomb and ran, you weren't sure where he stood and is last act was saving his friends and showing that he was a hero.

[jkrue22]

I feel very strongly that Sayid's redemption should have been a major event in the show. Instead, it was over before you knew it. Darth Vader’s transformation back into Anakin is a huge part of Return of the Jedi and the original Star Wars trilogy. If the Lost writers wrote ROTJ, they would have had Darth Vader grab the Emperor, and jump into the energy shaft as soon as he brought Luke to the Emperor’s throne room. No climactic light saber battle. No pleading from Luke to save his life. Nothing.

What do I know? I’m just a disgruntled Sayid fan :lol

Haha maybe they didn't fully 'explain' Sayid's redemption because there was A TICKING TIME BOMB. It was a great example of 'show' rather than 'tell' (over the course of the last few episodes, culminating with his heroic sacrifice).

I was thinking about this last night: there are so many great storylines and characters on this show, and just not enough time to cover them all fully. Four awesome 'wild card' characters have now been basically missing for the last few episodes. But they're doing the best they can with the few hours remaining... and at least they extended the finale rather than cut out more material.

[junior94]

God I die everytime he says "meanwhile Sawyer... and his pecs" :lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mb04XjxPqpg

[RJP2741]

I agree that the writers couldn’t just leave it at Sayid and that other characters (not including underused Frank) had to die. They could have killed off some of the other big guns if they were trying to show that no one is safe/the “malevolence” of MIB and still have achieved the same effect. Killing off Sawyer and/or Kate would not have made for the same emotional impact as the killing of the Kwons right after reunion. Hence my lazy complaint.

The explanation for Sayid is weak sauce. Claire tried to kill Kate and Kate called to Sayid for help. Sayid did nothing. Wouldn’t his instinct been to help his friend? What changed from that episode to last night’s episode? Desmond’s conversation? Again, that’s all it took?

In the simplest of explanations...Sayid, Frank, Jin/Sun died because all of their storylines had run their course and they were basically dead weight on the show at this point. There's 5 hours of show left, they are going to focus on the people that matter and kill off the rest.

Sayid has never been a man to totally share his feelings, it was always internal with him, making complete 180's over and over. First he tortures Sawyer, then he goes off alone to find himself, then he becomes Ben's Assassin, then he goes to build homes in Puerto Rico, then he becomes Smokie's bitch, and his final 180...was to save his friends.

As far as Jin/Sun go, I'd still like an actual explanation as for why it's lazy writing. You seem to just keep saying that without actually elaborating on it, unless I missed a post.

[water_into_wine]

Take a chill pill amigo. I read the precious quote that you posted.

Ok, I get it that his pure instinct shows that he is a good person. His “good instinct” was not present when Kate asked for help and yet it was present on the sub. What happened between those two events? Desmond’s convo, right?

Well, we didn’t know what happened to Desmond until about 5 secs before Sayid blew up. In 10 secs Sayid’s struggle was resolved. In the past, Lost writers devoted entire episodes to just the partial resolutions of major/minor character’s struggles. With Sayid, the entire conflict was resolved in 10 secs.

Again, I thought they didn’t do a good job resolving Sayid’s struggle. If you think they did, that’s cool but I’ll agree to disagree.

Cheers!

lol at Bolded. I just wanted you to backread since it completely gives you your answer. Sounds like you need to chill a tad.


Fact is that you can't call the writing lazy, because it wasn't. You may not have liked it but the writers set it up deliberately.

[mr.MikeD]

You kind of make my arguments for me.

You are right. Sayid has been struggling with himself for 6 seasons. Sayid is a major character so you would think that they would devote more than 10 secs to the resolution of the internal conflict that has been bothering Sayid for years.

I really don’t see how anyone could think that Flocke wasn’t evil. Something isn’t right if the writers felt as though they needed to kill the Kwons to show the MIB’s true nature.

Killing the Kwon’s after they are reunited to show the audience that no one is safe is lazy/cheap/piss poor writing. It is as simply as that. If you thought that the writers did the right thing killing the Kwons then I will agree to disagree with you.
i gotta say, sadly i kind of agree with this guy.

[monkeyman68]

Yikes. If I realized I was going to have to explain to a bunch of fan boys why the writing was lazy I would have saved myself the time. Since I’m a fool, I’ll give it one last shot….

Part 1: Sun and Jin

Going into this episode the writers decided that they were going to kill some main characters to show the viewers how evil Flocke is, right? Ok, so why did they settle on Frank, Sayid, Jin, and Sun? You say it is because their storylines had run their course. I don’t buy that argument (I think it is correct to say that about Frank though). Kate and Sawyer have also had their storylines run their course. In fact, the only character on the sub that still really matters at this point is Jack.

Why even debate it anymore? Lindelof says that Jin and Sun were the perfect choice to be killed since they just had been reunited. Read between the lines here. The writers didn’t just want the deaths to show how evil Flocke is; they also wanted the deaths to elicit a strong emotional response from the viewers.

Ok, let’s look at this from a writer’s perspective for a second. You know that you have to kill off some characters to show Flocke’s evilness. You also know that you have to make sure that the deaths have a strong emotional impact on the audience. Your hands are not tied and your job is to come up with a creative storyline to achieve the assigned objectives. The Lost writers decided to achieve the desired emotional response by reuniting the Kwons and then killing them almost immediately.

This is a prefect example of both lazy and cheap writing. I just hope that you aren’t a professional writer if you don’t understand this.

[monkeyman68]

Part 2: Sayid

Sayid is a character who has been a war with himself for a very long time. Is he a good person or is he only capable of violence? Lindelof’s explanation makes sense. An instinctive reaction by Sayid would show the audience Sayid’s true nature. Case closed? Not so much….

It was correctly pointed out that Sayid was constantly trying to find an answer to the question of his moral character. While Sayid was searching for an answer, he would experience moments when he was convinced that he was a good person as well as moments when he was unsure if he could ever escape his past. Throughout the series, significant events would cause Sayid to re-examine the nature of his character and more often than not, change how Sayid viewed himself.

Sayid resigns himself to the fact he is only a man of violence when he agrees to help Flocke. There is no more doubt in Sayid’s mind; the question has been answered. As a result of coming to terms with himself, Sayid becomes a broken man. We see Sayid at his character’s lowest points once he begins to help Flocke. Sayid has reached such lows that he becomes unrecognizable to viewers and to his friends on the island.

Claire tries to kill Kate and Kate asks Sayid for help. Sayid does nothing. His natural inclination to save a friend’s life had been eliminated from his personality. Sayid’s true nature was apparent again after his heroic death. My problem is: how did we get from Sayid being willing to watch a friend die to Sayid selflessly sacrificing himself so that his friends might live. The only thing that really happened to Sayid was his conversation with Desmond. It is inconsistent with Sayid’s character/a little hard to believe that a simple conversation was enough to elevate Sayid from the deepest depths of his personal despair to a return to his true self.

One of my favorite aspects of Lost is its phenomenal character development. Sadly, that aspect was missing last night when the writers glossed over Sayid’s redemption/rebirth and left the audience scratching their heads saying “how did Sayid go from being an unrecognizable psychopath to back to being the ol’ Sayid again.” The conversation with Desmond simply isn’t plausible to warrant that change in Sayid.

[RJP2741]

Yikes. If I realized I was going to have to explain to a bunch of fan boys why the writing was lazy I would have saved myself the time. Since I’m a fool, I’ll give it one last shot….

Part 1: Sun and Jin

Going into this episode the writers decided that they were going to kill some main characters to show the viewers how evil Flocke is, right? Ok, so why did they settle on Frank, Sayid, Jin, and Sun? You say it is because their storylines had run their course. I don’t buy that argument (I think it is correct to say that about Frank though). Kate and Sawyer have also had their storylines run their course. In fact, the only character on the sub that still really matters at this point is Jack.

Why even debate it anymore? Lindelof says that Jin and Sun were the perfect choice to be killed since they just had been reunited. Read between the lines here. The writers didn’t just want the deaths to show how evil Flocke is; they also wanted the deaths to elicit a strong emotional response from the viewers.

Ok, let’s look at this from a writer’s perspective for a second. You know that you have to kill off some characters to show Flocke’s evilness. You also know that you have to make sure that the deaths have a strong emotional impact on the audience. Your hands are not tied and your job is to come up with a creative storyline to achieve the assigned objectives. The Lost writers decided to achieve the desired emotional response by reuniting the Kwons and then killing them almost immediately.

This is a prefect example of both lazy and cheap writing. I just hope that you aren’t a professional writer if you don’t understand this.

Any of the main characters dying would have elicited a strong emotional response at this point. And all you really did was summarize what happened in the episode. Good job being a condescending douche though!:thumbsup:thumbsup

[RJP2741]

Their entire storyline for the last 2 seasons has been about their never ending quest to find one another again. It's sad and depressing that when they finally finish that journey to one another, they die. But I fail to see how it is lazy. We're just talking in circles though, to each his own I guess.

[Beebz]

Yikes. If I realized I was going to have to explain to a bunch of fan boys why the writing was lazy I would have saved myself the time. Since I’m a fool, I’ll give it one last shot….

Part 1: Sun and Jin

Going into this episode the writers decided that they were going to kill some main characters to show the viewers how evil Flocke is, right? Ok, so why did they settle on Frank, Sayid, Jin, and Sun? You say it is because their storylines had run their course. I don’t buy that argument (I think it is correct to say that about Frank though). Kate and Sawyer have also had their storylines run their course. In fact, the only character on the sub that still really matters at this point is Jack.

Why even debate it anymore? Lindelof says that Jin and Sun were the perfect choice to be killed since they just had been reunited. Read between the lines here. The writers didn’t just want the deaths to show how evil Flocke is; they also wanted the deaths to elicit a strong emotional response from the viewers.

Ok, let’s look at this from a writer’s perspective for a second. You know that you have to kill off some characters to show Flocke’s evilness. You also know that you have to make sure that the deaths have a strong emotional impact on the audience. Your hands are not tied and your job is to come up with a creative storyline to achieve the assigned objectives. The Lost writers decided to achieve the desired emotional response by reuniting the Kwons and then killing them almost immediately.

This is a prefect example of both lazy and cheap writing. I just hope that you aren’t a professional writer if you don’t understand this.

1. You should read my posts some time.

2. Sawyer is still a candidate. Therefore his story is not done. Kate should have been dead two months ago, so its hard to argue that one. Hurley certainly has a role yet to play, as does Jack. Jin and Sun's entire objective on the show was to be reunited. Once that happened, there was nothing more to tell. They had their moment. Nothing the writers could have concocted would have been more complete or true to the two of them than having them voluntarily die together.

3. Yes, yes they did. That's not lazy, though. You're not using the right words here.

4. You have no idea how tied their hands were, because you don't know who has roles left to play.

5. I actually do some professional writing (though not for TV), and Im telling you flat-out that there's nothing lazy, contrived, or hackish about this move. In fact, its ballsy and uncompromising, especially for a network television show.

[Beebz]

Part 2: Sayid

Sayid is a character who has been a war with himself for a very long time. Is he a good person or is he only capable of violence? Lindelof’s explanation makes sense. An instinctive reaction by Sayid would show the audience Sayid’s true nature. Case closed? Not so much….

It was correctly pointed out that Sayid was constantly trying to find an answer to the question of his moral character. While Sayid was searching for an answer, he would experience moments when he was convinced that he was a good person as well as moments when he was unsure if he could ever escape his past. Throughout the series, significant events would cause Sayid to re-examine the nature of his character and more often than not, change how Sayid viewed himself.

Sayid resigns himself to the fact he is only a man of violence when he agrees to help Flocke. There is no more doubt in Sayid’s mind; the question has been answered. As a result of coming to terms with himself, Sayid becomes a broken man. We see Sayid at his character’s lowest points once he begins to help Flocke. Sayid has reached such lows that he becomes unrecognizable to viewers and to his friends on the island.

Claire tries to kill Kate and Kate asks Sayid for help. Sayid does nothing. His natural inclination to save a friend’s life had been eliminated from his personality. Sayid’s true nature was apparent again after his heroic death. My problem is: how did we get from Sayid being willing to watch a friend die to Sayid selflessly sacrificing himself so that his friends might live. The only thing that really happened to Sayid was his conversation with Desmond. It is inconsistent with Sayid’s character/a little hard to believe that a simple conversation was enough to elevate Sayid from the deepest depths of his personal despair to a return to his true self.

One of my favorite aspects of Lost is its phenomenal character development. Sadly, that aspect was missing last night when the writers glossed over Sayid’s redemption/rebirth and left the audience scratching their heads saying “how did Sayid go from being an unrecognizable psychopath to back to being the ol’ Sayid again.” The conversation with Desmond simply isn’t plausible to warrant that change in Sayid.

You like things spelled out for you, don't you? Big fan of movies with narration?

As was said before, the conversation in the well was only the culmination of a series of events that put Sayid back on a different path. If you cant see that, that's your failing, not that of the writers.

[dh4645]

You like things spelled out for you, don't you? Big fan of movies with narration?

As was said before, the conversation in the well was only the culmination of a series of events that put Sayid back on a different path. If you cant see that, that's your failing, not that of the writers.

oh snap!

enough with this crap though.
u guys will have to agree to disagree.

[Beebz]

oh snap!

enough with this crap though.
u guys will have to agree to disagree.

OK dad.

[dh4645]

OK dad.

hey, i'll pull this island over if i have to.

:)

[Beebz]

hey, i'll pull this island over if i have to.

:)

:lol

[breckbrew]

Are you telling me that you are ok with Desmond’s conversation being enough to help Sayid make up his mind? A simple conversation was all it took? This is an issue that warrants greater attention and yet it was passed over.



Part 2: Sayid

It is inconsistent with Sayid’s character/a little hard to believe that a simple conversation was enough to elevate Sayid from the deepest depths of his personal despair to a return to his true self.

One of my favorite aspects of Lost is its phenomenal character development. Sadly, that aspect was missing last night when the writers glossed over Sayid’s redemption/rebirth and left the audience scratching their heads saying “how did Sayid go from being an unrecognizable psychopath to back to being the ol’ Sayid again.” The conversation with Desmond simply isn’t plausible to warrant that change in Sayid.

Remember, it was a simple conversation between Sayid and Flocke that turned Sayid into the zombie-like character. Furthermore, I don't think it was Sayid's free will decision to become a Flocke henchman who kills when commanded. He was clearly diseased by Flocke.

Also, this is no different from Richard's story. He was convinced he would see his wife again by the Man In Black. So convinced, he wanted to kill someone he never met before (Jacob). But, when faced with the consequences of killing someone (and Jacob's kung-fu), he turned into someone else and refused to follow the MIB.

[water_into_wine]

Yikes. If I realized I was going to have to explain to a bunch of fan boys why the writing was lazy I would have saved myself the time. Since I’m a fool, I’ll give it one last shot….

Part 1: Sun and Jin

Going into this episode the writers decided that they were going to kill some main characters to show the viewers how evil Flocke is, right? Ok, so why did they settle on Frank, Sayid, Jin, and Sun? You say it is because their storylines had run their course. I don’t buy that argument (I think it is correct to say that about Frank though). Kate and Sawyer have also had their storylines run their course. In fact, the only character on the sub that still really matters at this point is Jack.

Why even debate it anymore? Lindelof says that Jin and Sun were the perfect choice to be killed since they just had been reunited. Read between the lines here. The writers didn’t just want the deaths to show how evil Flocke is; they also wanted the deaths to elicit a strong emotional response from the viewers.

Ok, let’s look at this from a writer’s perspective for a second. You know that you have to kill off some characters to show Flocke’s evilness. You also know that you have to make sure that the deaths have a strong emotional impact on the audience. Your hands are not tied and your job is to come up with a creative storyline to achieve the assigned objectives. The Lost writers decided to achieve the desired emotional response by reuniting the Kwons and then killing them almost immediately.

This is a prefect example of both lazy and cheap writing. I just hope that you aren’t a professional writer if you don’t understand this.

You're an ass :lol

[dmbman32]

Great episode on Tuesday. However....

I think the main reason I wasn't as shocked by the deaths as others is because the characters have "died" multiple times in the past:

We thought Jin died in:
-Season 3 finale (The Others shot him)
-Season 4 finale (Explosion on the freighter)

We thought Sayid died in:
-Season 3 finale (The Others shot him)
-Season 6 premiere (Drowned)

We thought Sun died in:
-Season 6 flash-sideways (Shot)

So when it finally happened, we've experienced "are they dead/going to die" a few times. So while it was sad and surprising, nothing will touch the shock of Anna Lucia & Libby getting shot. That absolutely came out of nowhere.

[Beebz]

Great episode on Tuesday. However....

I think the main reason I wasn't as shocked by the deaths as others is because the characters have "died" multiple times in the past:

We thought Jin died in:
-Season 3 finale (The Others shot him)
-Season 4 finale (Explosion on the freighter)

We thought Sayid died in:
-Season 3 finale (The Others shot him)
-Season 6 premiere (Drowned)

We thought Sun died in:
-Season 6 flash-sideways (Shot)

So when it finally happened, we've experienced "are they dead/going to die" a few times. So while it was sad and surprising, nothing will touch the shock of Anna Lucia & Libby getting shot. That absolutely came out of nowhere.

Yeah, that's a good point. If we didnt know this was the last season, would we think any of these people are truly dead?

I wrote about this idea a little earlier in this thread. Because of the FS, we're able to see characters that are dead and gone. It sort of blunts the emotional impact we get from seeing a beloved character pass on.

Agree though, AnaL and Libby were out of nowhere.

[Beebz]

You're an ass :lol

In this here thread, Ive gone from obsessive Lost basher to internet fanboy all in the course of a week. Is this thread skipping through time? :lol

[Beebz]

Another Lost cover. The third in four months.

http://darkufo.blogspot.com/2010/05/ew-magazine-lost-cover.html

EW is bordering on Twilight obsession now.

[mr.MikeD]

Great episode on Tuesday. However....

I think the main reason I wasn't as shocked by the deaths as others is because the characters have "died" multiple times in the past:

We thought Jin died in:
-Season 3 finale (The Others shot him)
-Season 4 finale (Explosion on the freighter)

We thought Sayid died in:
-Season 3 finale (The Others shot him)
-Season 6 premiere (Drowned)

We thought Sun died in:
-Season 6 flash-sideways (Shot)

So when it finally happened, we've experienced "are they dead/going to die" a few times. So while it was sad and surprising, nothing will touch the shock of Anna Lucia & Libby getting shot. That absolutely came out of nowhere.
Also, they've kind of set up this big "anything can happen, someone, anyone will die" kind of feeling. So its almost more curiosity about who it will than anything - "oh, So it was Jin they picked, that's interesting."

[JacobLovesYou]

just went back and watched the outrigger scene in "the little prince"

miles, charlotte, sawyer, lock, juliette, and daniel get to the old beach camp and find it all torn up and the boat gone. there are the two outriggers there though, those long paddle boats. inside one of them is an ajira water bottle (the first mention of ajira on the show). they all hop in one and start paddling to get to the other side of the island. then from behind them there are gunshots and they're getting fired at. juliette aims and fires a few shots and you can see one of the pursuers get hit. you can never see more then dark outlines of the pursuers. then the time jumps and they are in the middle of a storm at night.


so if the next 3 episodes, our final 4 are chasing an outrigger for whatever reason and juliette stands up to shoot and someone gets blasted... biggest mindfuck ever

[Beebz]

just went back and watched the outrigger scene in "the little prince"

miles, charlotte, sawyer, lock, juliette, and daniel get to the old beach camp and find it all torn up and the boat gone. there are the two outriggers there though, those long paddle boats. inside one of them is an ajira water bottle (the first mention of ajira on the show). they all hop in one and start paddling to get to the other side of the island. then from behind them there are gunshots and they're getting fired at. juliette aims and fires a few shots and you can see one of the pursuers get hit. you can never see more then dark outlines of the pursuers. then the time jumps and they are in the middle of a storm at night.


so if the next 3 episodes, our final 4 are chasing an outrigger for whatever reason and juliette stands up to shoot and someone gets blasted... biggest mindfuck ever

that outrigger scene is going to happen at some point. it has to.

Im guessing that once the island sinks, the remaining survivors pile into an outrigger. Jack gets hit in the neck and that's his scar.

[jkrue22]

that outrigger scene is going to happen at some point. it has to.

Im guessing that once the island sinks, the remaining survivors pile into an outrigger. Jack gets hit in the neck and that's his scar.

Isn't the island visible in that scene? I think they would have noticed if it had sunk... don't remember though.

[Beebz]

Isn't the island visible in that scene? I think they would have noticed if it had sunk... don't remember though.

Yeah maybe. I honestly dont remember.

[JacobLovesYou]

the only thing i'm not sure about is if its our main characters in the pursuing outrigger, why are they firing upon the people in the outrigger in front of them. obviously they might think its widmore's people or something, i just mean generally speaking in LOST the good guys don't first like what happens in that scene. for whatever reason, if its the final 4 in that second outrigger, SOMETHING must compel them to fire upon the people in front of them, even if its merely a rash decision by sawyer. no matter what, its going to be crazy all of a sudden to see the outrigger in the front just disappear into thing air and sawyer realize who it was he/they fired upon. especially if juliette's shot hits or kills someone (him?)

[Beebz]

the only thing i'm not sure about is if its our main characters in the pursuing outrigger, why are they firing upon the people in the outrigger in front of them. obviously they might think its widmore's people or something, i just mean generally speaking in LOST the good guys don't first like what happens in that scene. for whatever reason, if its the final 4 in that second outrigger, SOMETHING must compel them to fire upon the people in front of them, even if its merely a rash decision by sawyer. no matter what, its going to be crazy all of a sudden to see the outrigger in the front just disappear into thing air and sawyer realize who it was he/they fired upon. especially if juliette's shot hits or kills someone (him?)

I dont think anyone will die from Juliet's shots. I dont know why they'd be firing, but if youre travelling through time who knows?

[JacobLovesYou]

yeah but it wasnt the time travelers who fired first, it was whoever chased them.

i like the idea that juliette's bullet grazed jacks neck.

[dh4645]

or they might not show that at all...but they better.

[uro55]

Off all the charactors on the show. I don't know why, but I want to see Hurley of all people have a happy ending.

And also I wish I could remember my line of thinking better, but when I was watching the Ep last night I had a far flung idea that Widmore and MiB were/are secretly working togeather.

[Beefsteak1138]

Off all the charactors on the show. I don't know why, but I want to see Hurley of all people have a happy ending.

And also I wish I could remember my line of thinking better, but when I was watching the Ep last night I had a far flung idea that Widmore and MiB were/are secretly working togeather.

:thumbsup

Of all the people on the show, I will be most upset if he dies.

[uro55]

:thumbsup

Of all the people on the show, I will be most upset if he dies.

Ya same here, anyone else I could be "ok" with. But not him, I know he's a charactor and not a real person. But the charactor is just too nice and loveable lol.

Like seeing him cry and pound on the sand last ep? That part got me!

[41ravens]

i think for any comeback of the outrigger scene to make any sense, the second boat would have to contain people that weren't involved in the first instance. i would find it hard to believe that miles/sawyer wouldn't be able to make the connection.

[monkeyman68]

2. Sawyer is still a candidate. Therefore his story is not done. Kate should have been dead two months ago, so its hard to argue that one. Hurley certainly has a role yet to play, as does Jack. Jin and Sun's entire objective on the show was to be reunited. Once that happened, there was nothing more to tell. They had their moment. Nothing the writers could have concocted would have been more complete or true to the two of them than having them voluntarily die together.

5. I actually do some professional writing (though not for TV), and Im telling you flat-out that there's nothing lazy, contrived, or hackish about this move. In fact, its ballsy and uncompromising, especially for a network television show.

I’ll play devil’s advocate here.

The Kwons were also candidates. Therefore their story is still not done, right?

Really, Sawyer and Kate really don’t bring anything more than the Kwons at this point. The Kwons were the easiest people to kill in that sub. Killing Kate, Sawyer, and especially Hurley would have been “ballsy and uncompromising”. I’ll agree to disagree with ya though.

You like things spelled out for you, don't you? Big fan of movies with narration?

As was said before, the conversation in the well was only the culmination of a series of events that put Sayid back on a different path. If you cant see that, that's your failing, not that of the writers.

Classic. See below

-- Sayid's redemption. I thought it rang a little false that he went from slashing throats to saving his friend in a matter of days, but it was done well enough that I went with it.

It was extremely false and unbelievable. Thanks for seeing my point though

[uro55]

It was extremely false and unbelievable. Thanks for seeing my point though

Not really if he'd already started to turn "good" with the act, or lack there of, of not killing Desmond.

Also funny line from cnn.com's ep review:

"Jack might as well be wearing a T-shirt that says "I am the new Jacob,"

[RJP2741]

Not really if he'd already started to turn "good" with the act, or lack there of, of not killing Desmond.

Also funny line from cnn.com's ep review:

"Jack might as well be wearing a T-shirt that says "I am the new Jacob,"

I think they've almost made it so clear that it can't possibly be the case. I'm starting to question whether that is actually Jack's ultimate destiny.

[uro55]

I think they've almost made it so clear that it can't possibly be the case. I'm starting to question whether that is actually Jack's ultimate destiny.

This is true. It might almost be too "obvious" at this point.

And this is not a spoiler at all, just a "maybe" or "speculation". But some of me wouldn't be shocked to see Jack die in the last ep. In a UBER heroic way. Cause remember when they first wrote the pilot Jack was gonna die right then.

[RJP2741]

At this point death is in play for everyone. Except Hurley, hopefully. That being said, I think that final selfless act would be more in play for someone like Sawyer or Ben than for Jack. Although I don't know how many more times we'll see that before it starts getting repetitive. We saw Sayid do it last night, now what if Sawyer and Ben both do it as well? There's only 4 episodes left, that might feel like they are beating that theme into the ground.

I think Jack and Hurley are the two safest characters at this point. But I really won't be surprised with any death at this point.

[uro55]

At this point death is in play for everyone. Except Hurley, hopefully. That being said, I think that final selfless act would be more in play for someone like Sawyer or Ben than for Jack. Although I don't know how many more times we'll see that before it starts getting repetitive. We saw Sayid do it last night, now what if Sawyer and Ben both do it as well? There's only 4 episodes left, that might feel like they are beating that theme into the ground.

I think Jack and Hurley are the two safest characters at this point. But I really won't be surprised with any death at this point.

Again I could be wrong, but I see Ben going down damn near 100% for sure. Either crashing and burning because he went back to his selfish ways. Or the other end of the spectrum and it's pure goodness for lack or a better word. Either way I see Ben's end being an extreame of sorts.

Sawyer I have no idea at this point lol.

[RJP2741]

Agreed on Ben. He's definitely a goner, just don't know how it'll happen yet. He seems to be redeemed at the moment, but you never know with him.

[uro55]

Agreed on Ben. He's definitely a goner, just don't know how it'll happen yet. He seems to be redeemed at the moment, but you never know with him.

Exactly!

WTF am I'm gonna do, think about, and speculate on on Weds and Thurs after May 23rd. I'm gonna be LOST, no pun intended lol.

[RJP2741]

Exactly!

WTF am I'm gonna do, think about, and speculate on on Weds and Thurs after May 23rd. I'm gonna be LOST, no pun intended lol.

Just a heads up but the 23rd is a Sunday, which is when the finale is airing. So it's next Tuesday (5/11), the following Tuesday (5/18), and then that Sunday (5/23).

[uro55]

Just a heads up but the 23rd is a Sunday, which is when the finale is airing. So it's next Tuesday (5/11), the following Tuesday (5/18), and then that Sunday (5/23).

Thanks for the heads up man! But I already knew that, cause I was happy that the finale was on a Sunday, cause my birthday is the next Tuesday. And I woulda be SO torn. Do I stay home and watch the finale of my fav show live? Or do I go out and get dranking:)

[twistedmind1586]

no one is going to replace jacob. he told mib in the S5 finale, "it only ends once." replacing him wouldn't be an "end" it would just start the cycle over with a new band of people. just my take though.

[Beebz]

:thumbsup

Of all the people on the show, I will be most upset if he dies.

The only thing I took issue with regarding Darlton's statement is that they killed Jin and Sun to show that anyone can die. If you were given a list of characters who were on that sub and told to pick the four you think will die, 80 percent of us would have picked Jin, Sun, Frank, and Sayid. Hurley would have received zero votes. So killing Hurley would have arguably been the balliest move. Killing both Jin AND Sun, though, was the second-best move to make.

[Beebz]

jensen, for once, brings up a great point:

(My only quibble: If Jack was right — if Smokey's plan required that the castaways trigger the bomb themselves — then good thing for Smokey that Kate got shot, because otherwise Jack never would have looked inside his backpack and found the bomb.)

[dh4645]

Thanks for the heads up man! But I already knew that, cause I was happy that the finale was on a Sunday, cause my birthday is the next Tuesday. And I woulda be SO torn. Do I stay home and watch the finale of my fav show live? Or do I go out and get dranking:)

i think he was telling you the dates because u said :

"WTF am I'm gonna do, think about, and speculate on on Weds and Thurs after May 23rd.."

what about monday and tuesday? too busy to think about LOST until 3 days later? what kinda fan are you. hah
:evil

[monkeyman68]

Yikes. I was doing some back reading and this thread is intense. I make it a point to usually avoid Lost forums because I don’t want to accidentally catch any spoilers. I can’t believe that luke7 guy was letting the cat out of the bag early. Not good :devil

[uro55]

i think he was telling you the dates because u said :

"WTF am I'm gonna do, think about, and speculate on on Weds and Thurs after May 23rd.."

what about monday and tuesday? too busy to think about LOST until 3 days later? what kinda fan are you. hah
:evil

HAHAHAHA! I didn't even think of that. Although, in my defense I might be too sad/confused when it's all done to think about it for a couple of days;)

[RJP2741]

Yikes. I was doing some back reading and this thread is intense. I make it a point to usually avoid Lost forums because I don’t want to accidentally catch any spoilers. I can’t believe that luke7 guy was letting the cat out of the bag early. Not good :devil

He got the ban hammer for a month for that. He will not be missed.

[monkeyman68]

He got the ban hammer for a month for that. He will not be missed.

:lol He deserved it

[Beebz]

Some people on other boards have brought up the legitimate point that outside of AnaL and Libby, Jin/Sun was the most shocking death of the series. We saw Charlie coming for the entire season, Juliet was pretty obvious, as was Michael. Boone, Shannon, and Eko....kinda. But they were sort of minor.

I do think that if the long-ass name guy who played Eko didnt want off the show that he'd be an intergral character with three eps to go.

[RJP2741]

Some people on other boards have brought up the legitimate point that outside of AnaL and Libby, Jin/Sun was the most shocking death of the series. We saw Charlie coming for the entire season, Juliet was pretty obvious, as was Michael. Boone, Shannon, and Eko....kinda. But they were sort of minor.

I do think that if the long-ass name guy who played Eko didnt want off the show that he'd be an intergral character with three eps to go.

Abbbbsolutely. Eko was awesome.

[breckbrew]

Some people on other boards have brought up the legitimate point that outside of AnaL and Libby, Jin/Sun was the most shocking death of the series. We saw Charlie coming for the entire season, Juliet was pretty obvious, as was Michael. Boone, Shannon, and Eko....kinda. But they were sort of minor.

I do think that if the long-ass name guy who played Eko didnt want off the show that he'd be an intergral character with three eps to go.

Agree. Eko's death was pretty shocking, but it had to be done. If he stayed, he might have played the role Jack is playing now.

[funktabulous]

Now that I'm finally all caught up on the show, it's nice to be able to pop in here every once in a while and follow the chat. The last episode was incredible.

[javierm27]

God I love this show and I will miss it. I was jumping through some episodes this past week and during The House of the Rising Sun episode, on Hurleys cd player a Willie Nelson song plays, its called Are You Sure? Check out the lyrics below.

Oh, look around you
Look down the bar from you
The lonely faces that you see
Are you sure that this is where you want to be


These are your friends
But are they real friends
Do they love you the same as me
Are you sure that this is where you want to be


You seem in such a hurry to live this kind of life
You've caused so many pain and misery


Look around you, take a good look
And tell me what you see
Are you sure that this is where you want to be


Don't let my tears persuade you, I had hoped I wouldn't cry
But lately, teardrops seem a part of me


Oh, look around you, take a good look
At all the local used-to-be's
Are you sure that this is where you want to be

[water_into_wine]

I can't wait to see Ben get his shit rocked by Desmond.

[water_into_wine]

Some people on other boards have brought up the legitimate point that outside of AnaL and Libby, Jin/Sun was the most shocking death of the series. We saw Charlie coming for the entire season, Juliet was pretty obvious, as was Michael. Boone, Shannon, and Eko....kinda. But they were sort of minor.

I do think that if the long-ass name guy who played Eko didnt want off the show that he'd be an intergral character with three eps to go.

Producers have said before that he would have still been around at this point if he wasn't an asshole in real life.

[javierm27]

Producers have said before that he would have still been around at this point if he wasn't an asshole in real life.

How was he an asshole?

[RJP2741]

Tonight, Fake Locke told Jack: ''I could kill you Jack, Right here. Right now. And I could kill every single one of your friends. And there's not a single thing you can do to stop me.'' The safest interpretation: Locke was lying to Jack and trying to bully/threaten him into obedience. But here's an alternate interpretation: Fake Locke really can kill the candidates himself — he just won't get what he wants: escape.

Interesting quote from Doc Jensen. I thought his recap was really good this week, better than usual.

[Beebz]

Producers have said before that he would have still been around at this point if he wasn't an asshole in real life.

Little known fact: the guy who played Eko also played the murderous
Adabese in HBOs Oz. To prepare for the role, he bought a machete and wandered the streets of Chicago attacking and sometimes seriously injuring homeless people. When Tom Fontana, the shows creator, found out about the preparation he nearly had him arrested on the set.

So yeah, he was kind of an asshole.

[RJP2741]

Little known fact: the guy who played Eko also played the murderous
Adabese in HBOs Oz. To prepare for the role, he bought a machete and wandered the streets of Chicago attacking and sometimes seriously injuring homeless people. When Tom Fontana, the shows creator, found out about the preparation he nearly had him arrested on the set.

So yeah, he was kind of an asshole.

No shit, really? I heard he was a difficult actor to work with because he's a real method-actor kind of guy, but that is insane.

[uro55]

No shit, really? I heard he was a difficult actor to work with because he's a real method-actor kind of guy, but that is insane.

Is this really true? I did a quick search on-line and couldn't find even a rumor of this. Although he did get some driving charge while in HI filming Lost.

[junior94]

Little known fact: the guy who played Eko also played the murderous
Adabese in HBOs Oz. To prepare for the role, he bought a machete and wandered the streets of Chicago attacking and sometimes seriously injuring homeless people. When Tom Fontana, the shows creator, found out about the preparation he nearly had him arrested on the set.

So yeah, he was kind of an asshole.

Yea no offense, and it's nothing personal because I think you're a good guy, but I've a very hard time believing that. I know he's a dick to his fellow actors, you have O'Quinn's public quotes about that, but what you're talking about is a whole other thing, and I've never even heard a whisper of that before.

[javierm27]

Yea no offense, and it's nothing personal because I think you're a good guy, but I've a very hard time believing that. I know he's a dick to his fellow actors, you have O'Quinn's public quotes about that, but what you're talking about is a whole other thing, and I've never even heard a whisper of that before.

Maybe he heard it from DJ General? :D

[Beebz]

That story was complete bullshit. I completely made that up. :lol

BUT.....he's such a badass that you kinda thought it was possible, didn't ya?

LOST!

Source: imdbs.com

[RJP2741]

That story was complete bullshit. I completely made that up. :lol

BUT.....he's such a badass that you kinda thought it was possible, didn't ya?

LOST!

Source: imdbs.com

:lol:lol Douche. I'd buy it. He has a crazy/intense vibe about him for sure.

[pathetic]

That story was complete bullshit. I completely made that up. :lol

BUT.....he's such a badass that you kinda thought it was possible, didn't ya?

LOST!

Source: imdbs.com

:lol :lol

i wiki'd him right after i read that

[Styx Cover Band]

I was finally able to watch the latest episode last night. Is it true, is Lapidus dead? (I don't recall them confirming this)

[Beefsteak1138]

Little known fact: the guy who played Eko also played the murderous
Adabese in HBOs Oz. To prepare for the role, he bought a machete and wandered the streets of Chicago attacking and sometimes seriously injuring homeless people. When Tom Fontana, the shows creator, found out about the preparation he nearly had him arrested on the set.

So yeah, he was kind of an asshole.

No shit, really? I heard he was a difficult actor to work with because he's a real method-actor kind of guy, but that is insane.

Is this really true? I did a quick search on-line and couldn't find even a rumor of this. Although he did get some driving charge while in HI filming Lost.

Yea no offense, and it's nothing personal because I think you're a good guy, but I've a very hard time believing that. I know he's a dick to his fellow actors, you have O'Quinn's public quotes about that, but what you're talking about is a whole other thing, and I've never even heard a whisper of that before.


:lol

Holy crap, you guys are morons. ;)

[41ravens]

I was finally able to watch the latest episode last night. Is it true, is Lapidus dead? (I don't recall them confirming this)

it has not been confirmed. really don't see any reason for him not to be, unless of course the plane comes back into play at some point.

[Beebz]

it has not been confirmed. really don't see any reason for him not to be, unless of course the plane comes back into play at some point.

One of the recappers made a good point the other day--when someone dies on Lost, they ALWAYS show it.

Now, it would be ridiculous to me if Frank survived that sinking (hell, I think it was ridiculous that Hurley and Kate survived), but I wont rule it out.

[junior94]

:lol

Holy crap, you guys are morons. ;)

Hey, if you noticed I was the one that called bullshit the loudest! :lol

[Beefsteak1138]

Hey, if you noticed I was the one that called bullshit the loudest! :lol

But not totally! You had your doubts.

:lol

[Beebz]

Hey, if you noticed I was the one that called bullshit the loudest! :lol

You hedged the bet. ;)

[junior94]

But not totally! You had your doubts.

:lol


Well, it was more just trying to be polite :p

So many people on this forum seem to get bent out of shape so easily, I'll often try to be fairly diplomatic to avoid le drama.

[junior94]

You hedged the bet. ;)

oh bite me :lol

[Rylan]

One of the recappers made a good point the other day--when someone dies on Lost, they ALWAYS show it.

Now, it would be ridiculous to me if Frank survived that sinking (hell, I think it was ridiculous that Hurley and Kate survived), but I wont rule it out.
They never really showed Charlie die either. We just saw the "Not Penny's boat" part and his body was never found or buried. Up until the beginning of this season I thought there was a chance that he swam out of the hole in the Looking Glass and someone would stumble upon him in the jungle one day.

[junior94]

They never really showed Charlie die either. We just saw the "Not Penny's boat" part and his body was never found or buried. Up until the beginning of this season I thought there was a chance that he swam out of the hole in the Looking Glass and someone would stumble upon him in the jungle one day.

Umm yea we did, we watched him drown to death. He had just enough life in his body left to bless himself, then he died.

[Rylan]

Umm yea we did, we watched him drown to death. He had just enough life in his body left to bless himself, then he died.
Well damn it. Maybe it was wishful thinking on my part. I liked that bastard. I still think that Hurley telling Claire that Charlie was gone is one of the most emotional scenes of the entire show.

[junior94]

Well damn it. Maybe it was wishful thinking on my part. I liked that bastard. I still think that Hurley telling Claire that Charlie was gone is one of the most emotional scenes of the entire show.

Well yea it was, but then unfortunately a little undercut when by like the 4th episode of season 4 and they're living in Dharmaville (which was at most like 48 hours from the end of the finale) Claire's hanging around and laughing it up with Kate, like Charlie's the last thing on her mind.

But speaking of Charlie's death, the thing I've brought up numerous times that's bothered me, they spent like the whole second half of season 3 building this story thread of Des's visions to try and save Charlie's life, and the ONLY reason Charlie let himself drown in the Hydra (because he could've theoretically escaped) is because he was counting on Des's final vision that Charlie flicked the switch, and Des then saw Claire & Aaron on a helicopter leaving the island. Now I was okay giving this idea some time, like it didn't necessarily have to be that the bit of Claire & Aaron on the helicopter happened immediately after Charlie's death, it could've theoretically been weeks later. But with so little show left, and the fact that Aaron isn't even there...

That obviously AIN'T gonna happen. :shrug

[junior94]

THE CAST OF “LOST” JOINS JIMMY KIMMEL FOR THE FIRST AND ONLY COLLECTIVE INTERVIEW PLUS EXCLUSIVE ALTERNATE ENDINGS

Following the final episode of “LOST,” Jimmy Kimmel will host a one-hour post-show discussion and celebration of the beloved series on SUNDAY, MAY 23 at 12:05 a.m., ET on ABC.

Kimmel will be joined in studio by Naveen Andrews, Nestor Carbonell, Alan Dale, Jeremy Davies, Emilie de Ravin, Michael Emerson, Matthew Fox, Daniel Dae Kim, Terry O’Quinn and Harold Perrineau, with special appearances by Jorge Garcia, Josh Holloway and Evangeline Lilly and an exclusive look at THREE ALTERNATIVE FINAL SCENES from the minds of executive producers Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse.

Jimmy Kimmel Live has been deluged by more studio audience ticket requests for this special than any show in its 7 plus year history. Watch the grand finale to the grand finale “JIMMY KIMMEL LIVE: ALOHA TO LOST” on SUNDAY, MAY 23 following local news.:hump

[twistedmind1586]

i want more jack and claire in the alt damnit. i think they could have had the most interesting story (even more than jack and locke) in that timeline if they were given enough time.

[Beebz]

11 EW Lost covers. I get the one with fucking Kate on the cover.

[junior94]

11 EW Lost covers. I get the one with fucking Kate on the cover.

Hey, good spank material, yea? :o:lol

[uro55]

Hey, good spank material, yea? :o:lol

She's gotta be good for something eh? lol:thumbsup

[mattyszow]

1) anyone else sick of sawyer? i mean, if there's one thing in this show you can take to the bank it's sawyer saying "son of a bitch" EVERY episode. once the time traveling started, i feel he became completely worthless. i think his character experienced the worst results of this shows' craziness b/c they didnt know what to do with him.

2) regarding the deaths of sun, jin & sayid -- they're not really "dead" b/c we've seen them alive and well in the flashes, so perhaps theyre only dead in the island side of things? not sure

3) speaking of that tho, i dont consider the alternative reality/flash sideways either of those at all. i think theyre flash forwards - not necessicarily through time (since O815 landed in 2004), but where everything will end up once Jack destroys the island. so my theory goes something like this: theyre on the island now and somehow they figure out how to kill Smokey. in doing that, they eliminate the need for an island protector (like Jacob and the candidates), and also in the process the island is sunk and destroyed. thats why in the S6 primere the island was sunk, but still had the remnants of the darma stuff and the statue. so, once the island is destroyed all our charcters are flashed back to the moment they came in contact with Jacob and/or a rep of Jacob (like Richard). so, no one is "dead" per se but thats why some things are the same (Kate on the run), but some things are different (Sawyer is a cop/Christian is a drunk & dead in Australia). And that would explain the "deja vu" stuff in the flashes that are giving people memories of their time on the island. so, everyone's lives are the same, but something changed at a key moment in their lives that changed the way they came out (Jake w/ a son, Locke and his dad, etc). There are some holes here (like HUrley was visited by Jacob on his way BACK to the island, Nadia married Sayid's brother), but i think I'm on the right track.

[UNLTrpt]

http://cdn.wg.uproxx.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/anti-locke-brakes.jpg

[water_into_wine]

1) anyone else sick of sawyer? i mean, if there's one thing in this show you can take to the bank it's sawyer saying "son of a bitch" EVERY episode. once the time traveling started, i feel he became completely worthless. i think his character experienced the worst results of this shows' craziness b/c they didnt know what to do with him.

2) regarding the deaths of sun, jin & sayid -- they're not really "dead" b/c we've seen them alive and well in the flashes, so perhaps theyre only dead in the island side of things? not sure

3) speaking of that tho, i dont consider the alternative reality/flash sideways either of those at all. i think theyre flash forwards - not necessicarily through time (since O815 landed in 2004), but where everything will end up once Jack destroys the island. so my theory goes something like this: theyre on the island now and somehow they figure out how to kill Smokey. in doing that, they eliminate the need for an island protector (like Jacob and the candidates), and also in the process the island is sunk and destroyed. thats why in the S6 primere the island was sunk, but still had the remnants of the darma stuff and the statue. so, once the island is destroyed all our charcters are flashed back to the moment they came in contact with Jacob and/or a rep of Jacob (like Richard). so, no one is "dead" per se but thats why some things are the same (Kate on the run), but some things are different (Sawyer is a cop/Christian is a drunk & dead in Australia). And that would explain the "deja vu" stuff in the flashes that are giving people memories of their time on the island. so, everyone's lives are the same, but something changed at a key moment in their lives that changed the way they came out (Jake w/ a son, Locke and his dad, etc). There are some holes here (like HUrley was visited by Jacob on his way BACK to the island, Nadia married Sayid's brother), but i think I'm on the right track.

1.) Hell no.

2.) Uhhh, yes.

3.) Maybe.


Edt: The link in the post above mine is hilarious :lol

[junior94]

http://cdn.wg.uproxx.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/anti-locke-brakes.jpg

I've also seen an animated .gif of that going around, just without the added text and the final wide shot of the city.

[UNLTrpt]

So...someone tell me the timeline for finale Sunday. What time does everything start?

[junior94]

So...someone tell me the timeline for finale Sunday. What time does everything start?

Funny you ask that because I only just found out something a couple days ago. I'd seen from multiple sources that the recap special would be 2 hours as opposed to the usual 1 for those in the past, but that would have it begin at 7pm, which didn't seem right. But apparently it's indeed the case.

So (all times EST)


SATURDAY 5/22
8pm-10pm: Original 2 hour pilot (Enhanced with pop-up info)

SUNDAY 5/23
7pm-9pm: 2 hour recap/retrospective special
9pm-11:30pm: 2.5 hour Series Finale
11:30pm-12:00am: your local news
12:05am-1:00am: Special LOST edition of Jimmy Kimmel Live featuring cast interviews

[junior94]

So I guess maybe the different collectors edition covers of the new EW mag with Lost are only if you're a subscriber? Because I actually accidentally let mine lapse like a month ago, so I had to go out to the bookstore to pick up this issue by itself, and every single copy was exactly the same, it's got everyone's faces on the cover in smaller sized blocks (also I noticed the kind of paper the cover is printed on is also different if you buy it off the shelf, it's thicker and much more glossier).

[Talula62]

The Soup did a funny clip on how similar V is to Lost. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2umUC_T6xg0 :lol

[joshizzle3]

WOAH! dave on lost! haha i had to check to make sure it wasn't coming from another window, but shannon is listening to stay in season 2! fuckin awesome!

[Exclamation!]

it's all about backgammon - the oldest game in the world, if I recall, that's what Locke said in the first season

imagine this - two guys - one is "good" (jacob) and one is "evil" (jacob's buddy)- just like in backgammon black against white... they are going against each other. and so jacob made a bet with his buddy and he won... but his buddy never accepted his loss, and set out to prove jacob wrong. he spent the next 5 millenium or however long setting up a way to prove jacob wrong. jacob also set about to continue proving himself right. they did this by continuously setting up pawns, bringing people to the island, to play out their "game". what I like is how Locke describes it in season 1:

"Two players. Two sides. One is light, one is dark."

so in the end, I think it all comes down to backgammon - good vs evil; white vs black; jacob vs his buddy

the other compelling argument for this being true, is the fact that Jack found backgammon pieces on the dead bodies of "Adam and Eve" in the caves season 1.... my theory is that it really is adam and eve, maybe jack and kate, and that good does rule over evil, light over dark, and that the two of them restore order in the end


who saw them playing backgammon in the previews for next episode?

hell yeah biitch!

[jmanheels]

who saw them playing backgammon in the previews for next episode?

hell yeah biitch!

I'm pretty sure that was the clip from the pilot.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tg2tB_xTt9I


I think that Cuse and Lindelof said that there would be no new previews after the one for "The Candidate," so they aired a compilation of several scenes.

Also, for the record, I think your theory is probably right...

[RJP2741]

I'm pretty sure that was the clip from the pilot.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tg2tB_xTt9I


I think that Cuse and Lindelof said that there would be no new previews after the one for "The Candidate," so they aired a compilation of several scenes.

Yeah, it seems like they are just editing scenes together at this point that follow with or allude to a particular theme for the upcoming episode.

[Exclamation!]

I'm pretty sure that was the clip from the pilot.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tg2tB_xTt9I


I think that Cuse and Lindelof said that there would be no new previews after the one for "The Candidate," so they aired a compilation of several scenes.

Also, for the record, I think your theory is probably right...

good point, I forgot we had seen them playing backgammon once before

it'll still be fun to see how those final five scenes play out - can't wait!!

[dh4645]

who saw them playing backgammon in the previews for next episode?

hell yeah biitch!

i saw it.
that was a clip from the pilot episode reused for the promo.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hn-g8OmkEIE

[pathetic]

i saw it.
that was a clip from the pilot episode reused for the promo.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hn-g8OmkEIE

no, they showed jacob and MIB playing in the promo for next week i believe

[breckbrew]

So over the weekend I was flipping through channels and saw an airing of an old lost episode. I only saw a few minutes of it but essentially Miles gets a fish taco, then gets nabbed by Brahm (sp?) from Illana's group and thrown in a black van. Brahm tells him not to go with Widmore and he should come with their team instead. Miles asks why he should ditch Widmore (who is paying him a boatload of money) to go with them. Brahm says something to the effect of Widmore is bad, we're good and we're going to win. Illana and Brahm were Jacob's protectors, so this makes it seem as though Widmore is his own party, not aligned with Jacob. Not sure if that was settled or not, but wanted to throw that out there.

[Beebz]

I wanted to throw out that MiB is Vincent.

[breckbrew]

I wanted to throw out that MiB is Vincent.

True. Vincent died in the plane crash. MiB gathered valuable intel by taking over Vincent's body and living amongst the Losties for a bit.

[Beebz]

On a related note, I'm completely avoiding spoilers from now til the finale. I dont want to know anything about tomorrow's ep, and while Im guessing the first part of the finale next Tuesday is going to be a massive cliffhanger, I can hold off until Sunday for the resolution.

[Beebz]

Should be a great one tonight.

[dh4645]

HAPPY (one of the last) LOST DAY!!!!!

[dh4645]

no, they showed jacob and MIB playing in the promo for next week i believe

oh, well part of it was reused from the pilot, but they also showed what you are saying.

[DynastyDrummer1]

Happy LOST day!!!

[pathetic]

oh, well part of it was reused from the pilot, but they also showed what you are saying.

:thumbsup

happy lost day!!!!

ahhhhh i cant believe we're almost to the end!!!

[Beebz]

This threads needs more talking. I have a slow day at work.

[RJP2741]

I think tonight might be the first show that I am consciously choosing to watch over a sporting event. The Celtics are playing tonight and I decided Sunday afternoon that I'd be watching LOST over the C's.

[Beefsteak1138]

On a related note, I'm completely avoiding spoilers from now til the finale. I dont want to know anything about tomorrow's ep, and while Im guessing the first part of the finale next Tuesday is going to be a massive cliffhanger, I can hold off until Sunday for the resolution.

Just coming into this thread is a risk. Even though Douchy McDoucherton got a ban, unless he was IP banned, he could create an alter and post a spoiler in here.

[Beebz]

Just coming into this thread is a risk. Even though Douchy McDoucherton got a ban, unless he was IP banned, he could create an alter and post a spoiler in here.

I dunno that's a stretch. You've have to be a AIDS-mixed-with-cancer type doucher to create an alter and ruin LOST. And to be honest, there isnt a shred of info out there about tonight's episode, so I think we're safe.

[Beefsteak1138]

I dunno that's a stretch. You've have to be a AIDS-mixed-with-cancer type doucher to create an alter and ruin LOST. And to be honest, there isnt a shred of info out there about tonight's episode, so I think we're safe.

It's also a huge douche move to do it not once, but twice. I wouldn't put it past him, but I guess it's good that info is not out there.

[dh4645]

I dunno that's a stretch. You've have to be a AIDS-mixed-with-cancer type doucher to create an alter and ruin LOST. And to be honest, there isnt a shred of info out there about tonight's episode, so I think we're safe.

yeah hopefully they blocked his IP. it's easy enough to do, but he could always mooch another wifi signal or get here through his phone if he really wanted.

[pathetic]

i still cant believe after avoiding spoilers for so long and thinking this place was a safe sanctuary, that fucker goes and ruins big events two weeks in a row...

[Beebz]

yeah hopefully they blocked his IP. it's easy enough to do, but he could always mooch another wifi signal or get here through his phone if he really wanted.

Yeah im saying, those are some extreme steps to take just to be a fuck.

Besides, there's not much out there. I do know two things we learn, but not the answers. And honestly, its made me more excited for the episode.

[Beefsteak1138]

yeah hopefully they blocked his IP. it's easy enough to do, but he could always mooch another wifi signal or get here through his phone if he really wanted.

I doubt it, since it was a temp ban. But I don't know what info is out there, but Beebz says there isn't much so I guess there's nothing to worry about.

My biggest worry now is being able to stay awake for the entire finale. :lol

[RJP2741]

Yeah im saying, those are some extreme steps to take just to be a fuck.

Besides, there's not much out there. I do know two things we learn, but not the answers. And honestly, its made me more excited for the episode.

Can you post these in spoiler tags in the vaguest terms possible?

[RJP2741]

I doubt it, since it was a temp ban. But I don't know what info is out there, but Beebz says there isn't much so I guess there's nothing to worry about.

My biggest worry now is being able to stay awake for the entire finale. :lol

:lol Me too. I'm gonna try and stay up for the Jimmy Kimmel Live special too, some evening coffee will be needed.

[Beefsteak1138]

:lol Me too. I'm gonna try and stay up for the Jimmy Kimmel Live special too, some evening coffee will be needed.

:lol

I'm seriously contemplating telling my boss that I'll be in late due to a doctor's appointment. It doesn't really matter though, my kids wake up around 6am so it's not like I'd be able to sleep in anyway.

[Beebz]

I have like 7 vacation days I need to burn before the end of June. Im thinking Monday the 24th will be the first one.

Fuck it:

We learn how Smokey became Smokey, and (I guess I'll spoiler this) who the skeletons are

Edit: arrrrrrrrgh I hate spoiler tags

[RJP2741]

:lol

I'm seriously contemplating telling my boss that I'll be in late due to a doctor's appointment. It doesn't really matter though, my kids wake up around 6am so it's not like I'd be able to sleep in anyway.

I've just decided to be a zombie at work on the 24th. I'm sure I won't get anything done anyway because I'll be in this thread or reading reviews, etc.

And thanks for those Brian, 9:00 needs to hurry up and get here. :thumbsup:thumbsup

[davidhamrick10]

Just to be clear, there are spoilers out there for tonight's episode if you look in the right places. Not a ton of info but there is some.

On the other hand, there is virtually no info on What They Died For.

[Beefsteak1138]

I've just decided to be a zombie at work on the 24th. I'm sure I won't get anything done anyway because I'll be in this thread or reading reviews, etc.

And thanks for those Brian, 9:00 needs to hurry up and get here. :thumbsup:thumbsup

Seriously. I'm not going to get any work done that day anyway, but I guess I can at least go to work and get paid for reading about the finale.

[Beebz]

Just to be clear, there are spoilers out there for tonight's episode if you look in the right places. Not a ton of info but there is some.

On the other hand, there is virtually no info on What They Died For.

MAN FUCK YOU SPOILER THAT SHIT!!!!!

/Lost fans

edit: Except those script pages that shows how the episode ends.

[RJP2741]

Seriously. I'm not going to get any work done that day anyway, but I guess I can at least go to work and get paid for reading about the finale.

Exactly, that's the mindset I'm going with.

[41ravens]

so is tonight pretty much like ab aeterno, with just a straight story with no flashes?

[water_into_wine]

I hate study week. Makes me forget what the days are. But I will definitely be here for this.

[Beebz]

so is tonight pretty much like ab aeterno, with just a straight story with no flashes?

Yeah, that's the impression I have.

[Beebz]

I've just decided to be a zombie at work on the 24th. I'm sure I won't get anything done anyway because I'll be in this thread or reading reviews, etc.

And thanks for those Brian, 9:00 needs to hurry up and get here. :thumbsup:thumbsup

Wear a name tag that says "Hello, My Name Is Sayid."

n/r

[RJP2741]

:lol I'm going to wear all black with a name tag that says "Hello, My name is Man in Black."

a little/r.

[water_into_wine]

:lol I'm going to wear all black with a name tag that says "Hello, My name is Man in Black."

a little/r.

Could I do the same, but just walk in naked?

[davidhamrick10]

Am I the only one who immediately thinks of The Dark Tower whenever MIB is brought up?

[RJP2741]

Could I do the same, but just walk in naked?

:lol:lol:lol

[Beefsteak1138]

Wear a name tag that says "Hello, My Name Is Sayid."

n/r

We call the guy that sits next to me at work "Sayid". Dude looks just like him.

[Beebz]

We call the guy that sits next to me at work "Sayid". Dude looks just like him.

A terrorist?

[water_into_wine]

A terrorist?

No. A burrito.

[Beefsteak1138]

I wouldn't be shocked he got chosen for an inspection at the airport.

[Beefsteak1138]

No. A burrito.

Whenner.

[Beebz]

No. A burrito.

Spicy?

Im definitely going to chipotle now, which kinda sucks because its out of the way and I wanted to go home for lunch. But a stomach can only take so much teasing.

[gocubsgo3822]

so pumped!!!!!

[Oh, word?]

www.teefury.com

One for me, one for my buddy Kobo.

[courtzdmb]

Hey all I've posted in this thread before but it's hard to keep up with!

Anyway, Kate (cause I can't spell her real name :lol) was just on The View, she said the finale won't disappoint us :bounce

[uro55]

www.teefury.com

One for me, one for my buddy Kobo.

That's rad!

[RJP2741]

Minor spoiler that's kind of funny.

Frank is not dead.

[Oh, word?]

That's rad!


Speaking of, he and I will be up in the middle of July. I'm staying with Anand, I think he is staying with Mags and Ike. Will you be around?

[thebridge15]

Minor spoiler that's kind of funny.

Frank is not dead. :eek

[Beebz]

Minor spoiler that's kind of funny.

Frank is not dead.

Saw that. A bunch of bullshit if you ask me.

Hey all I've posted in this thread before but it's hard to keep up with!

Anyway, Kate (cause I can't spell her real name :lol) was just on The View, she said the finale won't disappoint us :bounce
If Kate's in the finale, I'll be disappointed.

[uro55]

Speaking of, he and I will be up in the middle of July. I'm staying with Anand, I think he is staying with Mags and Ike. Will you be around?

That's awesome! Ya I will be around then. We'll have to hang out for sure!

[water_into_wine]

Good Darlton interview. No spoilers:

http://spoilerslost.blogspot.com/2010/05/yet-another-damon-and-carlton-interview.html

1.) I'm actually a tad disappointed by what they say about creating the mythology.
2.) What the hell is Damon talking about at the end of the interview?

[RJP2741]

Saw that. A bunch of bullshit if you ask me.


If Kate's in the finale, I'll be disappointed.

Agreed on both points. The spoiler I just laugh at though. They have to know it's just ridiculous at this point.

Also, I think they did their last podcast sometime in the past week for those that like listening to Damon and Carlton.

[Beebz]

Good Darlton interview. No spoilers:

http://spoilerslost.blogspot.com/2010/05/yet-another-damon-and-carlton-interview.html

1.) I'm actually a tad disappointed by what they say about creating the mythology.
2.) What the hell is Damon talking about at the end of the interview?

can you give us a quick rundown about these points? I dont have time to listen to the whole interview.

Edit: Im a moron i just clicked on the link. NM

[GinaNMU]

Besides, there's not much out there. I do know two things we learn, but not the answers. And honestly, its made me more excited for the episode.


Fuck it:

We learn how Smokey became Smokey, and (I guess I'll spoiler this) who the skeletons are

Edit: arrrrrrrrgh I hate spoiler tags

:confused I thought you were trying to avoid spoilers? This is like, the exact opposite of that :lol

[Beebz]

Good Darlton interview. No spoilers:

http://spoilerslost.blogspot.com/2010/05/yet-another-damon-and-carlton-interview.html

1.) I'm actually a tad disappointed by what they say about creating the mythology.
2.) What the hell is Damon talking about at the end of the interview?

1. Well, this kinda speaks to what I was saying a few days ago, that the one big thing we're going to take away from Lost is that we overthought a lot of things. He's right--its really, really hard to have a complete story mapped out six years in advance. It doesnt allow growth or flexibility. I mean we all kinda knew in the back of our minds that a lot of decisions werent part of some master plan (see Eko, Mr.). Its a big reason I think a lot of people are going to be disappointed in the finale, because every single thread and mystery isnt going to be tied up in a pretty ribbon.

2. I hate when they give these bullshit answers. Damon, you created the characters on the show. You can make them care about whatever you want. Dont give us this cop-out answer about only answering mysteries that are important to fictional characters. You can't rope the audience in for six seasons on this massive mythology and then try and claim that the characters on the show are the ones driving the unravelling.

[Beebz]

:confused I thought you were trying to avoid spoilers? This is like, the exact opposite of that :lol

Those arent spoilers. I care about the answers to those questions, not confirmation that we will get answers. Dont really feel like anything was given away there. :shrug

[Beefsteak1138]

1. Well, this kinda speaks to what I was saying a few days ago, that the one big thing we're going to take away from Lost is that we overthought a lot of things. He's right--its really, really hard to have a complete story mapped out six years in advance. It doesnt allow growth or flexibility. I mean we all kinda knew in the back of our minds that a lot of decisions werent part of some master plan (see Eko, Mr.). Its a big reason I think a lot of people are going to be disappointed in the finale, because every single thread and mystery isnt going to be tied up in a pretty ribbon.
.

This.

I think it's going to be a total shit-storm in the Lost world after the finale.

[water_into_wine]

1. Well, this kinda speaks to what I was saying a few days ago, that the one big thing we're going to take away from Lost is that we overthought a lot of things. He's right--its really, really hard to have a complete story mapped out six years in advance. It doesnt allow growth or flexibility. I mean we all kinda knew in the back of our minds that a lot of decisions werent part of some master plan (see Eko, Mr.). Its a big reason I think a lot of people are going to be disappointed in the finale, because every single thread and mystery isnt going to be tied up in a pretty ribbon.

2. I hate when they give these bullshit answers. Damon, you created the characters on the show. You can make them care about whatever you want. Dont give us this cop-out answer about only answering mysteries that are important to fictional characters. You can't rope the audience in for six seasons on this massive mythology and then try and claim that the characters on the show are the ones driving the unravelling.

1.) I understand his point, I guess what might disappoint me more than anything is that it almost sounds like they didn't have a set idea for what the island or Smokey was in the beginning.

2.) I was referring to more of this line:

"That being said: There might, possibly, be some questions that we, as storytellers, will answer in the body of the show that might not be appearing in the finale. And that's all we're willing to say..."

[water_into_wine]

This.

I think it's going to be a total shit-storm in the Lost world after the finale.

I actually think people will come away very pleased.

It was in some interview where they said that the show is like kid who keeps asking questions, and one question leads to another until the kid sees a Chuck-E Cheese. Well, basically they are going to try and make one big Chuck-E Cheese.

It might be the further rewatches of the series that cause questions/some idsappointment.

[Beefsteak1138]

I actually think people will come away very pleased.

It was in some interview where they said that the show is like kid who keeps asking questions, and one question leads to another until the kid sees a Chuck-E Cheese. Well, basically they are going to try and make one big Chuck-E Cheese.

It might be the further rewatches of the series that cause questions/some idsappointment.

Which will please the more casual fans, but the hardcores that want every answer will not be pleased, I don't think.

[weller3377]

Lost day!!!!!

[Joruus]

For the previous spoiler:

"Awwww Hell..."

[clcfball11]

For the previous spoiler:

"Awwww Hell..."


:lol:lol:lol :thumbsup

[Beebz]

1.) I understand his point, I guess what might disappoint me more than anything is that it almost sounds like they didn't have a set idea for what the island or Smokey was in the beginning.

2.) I was referring to more of this line:

"That being said: There might, possibly, be some questions that we, as storytellers, will answer in the body of the show that might not be appearing in the finale. And that's all we're willing to say..."

1. Yeah, that's what I mean. One of the big hooks to this show was that they creators were so sure-footed. That everything was preplanned and thought out from the beginning. Well, not really, apparently. And that's OK, but I think its going to lead to a lot of disappointment.

2. I think it was Jensen that wrote somewhere that the duo would talk about the finale a few months afterwards, probably once they sit down, read over all the plot holes on the internet, and come up with satisfying answers to the whole thing.

[water_into_wine]

1. Yeah, that's what I mean. One of the big hooks to this show was that they creators were so sure-footed. That everything was preplanned and thought out from the beginning. Well, not really, apparently. And that's OK, but I think its going to lead to a lot of disappointment.

2. I think it was Jensen that wrote somewhere that the duo would talk about the finale a few months afterwards, probably once they sit down, read over all the plot holes on the internet, and come up with satisfying answers to the whole thing.

To #2, that's what I figured, it was just that he said it in such an odd way.

[courtzdmb]

Saw that. A bunch of bullshit if you ask me.


If Kate's in the finale, I'll be disappointed.

Well she made it sound like she wouldn't be in the finale cause she wasn't there for the final taping?? But she could have just had a small part in the finale. We'll just have to wait and see!!

[junior94]

Watch this from the :30 to the 1:30 mark to see one of the most laugh out loud, funny O'Quinn & Emerson moments I've ever seen :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17H1aAJybvo

[dh4645]

damn this thread took off today. cant wait for tonight!

[twistedmind1586]

Lost reminds me a lot of this, with MIB taking over Smith's place.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YC7TMi0l68

Specifically when he talks about fighting for more than your survival.

[junior94]

Hey speaking of MIB, I watched "Gone Baby Gone" for the second time yesterday, I'd totally forgotten that the original MIB (Titus Welliver) has a supporting role in that. Big time handlebar moustache and THICK Baahston accent.

[dh4645]

who is Robert E. Simon?
and why in the section "Robert E. SimonC"

[hbktonyb]

We answered all the questions that we wanted to answer. And our rule has always been: We answer the questions that were important to answer for the characters on the show. If Jack, Sawyer, Hurley, Locke, and Kate didn't care about it ... It's not that we didn't care about it, or that we don't acknowledge that the fans are curious about it, but we didn't answer it. That being said: There might, possibly, be some questions that we, as storytellers, will answer in the body of the show that might not be appearing in the finale. And that's all we're willing to say ...

Interesting quote by Darlton...Hopefully this means the writers may do a sit-down and discuss the holes...

[javierm27]

who is Robert E. Simon?
and why in the section "Robert E. SimonC"

Just like LOST, we may never know.

[breckbrew]

Anyone see kate on letterman last night?

[RJP2741]

who is Robert E. Simon?
and why in the section "Robert E. SimonC"

He's the smoke monster.

[javierm27]

He's the smoke monster.

Nah nah, hes Aaron disguised as the Smoke Monster.

[jkrue22]

In honor of Lost I'm doing the Tour de Stade (http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles/2004/11/14/in_an_ivy_league_of_their_own/) as my workout this evening... maybe I'll meet my constant? :)

[thebridge15]

Aaron is the smoke monster...

This is simple stuff people.

[twistedmind1586]

anyone know where i can buy the lost edition of EW? i wanna pick one up this week before a new issue hits the shelf

[junior94]

^^ oh that reminds me, here's a bunch of info I copied out on another site from the EW Lost issue. Other than a feature story about the last days on set and a retrospective about the pilot, they did a breakdown of each season, picking certain elements as "best of" of each one (voted on by the writers, not any fans).

I guess I'll put it all in a spoiler tag for the hell of it, if you don't wanna see this before you pick up the actual issue for yourself.



SEASON 1
Best Episode: "Walkabout"
Worst Episode: "Whatever The Case May Be"
S1 MVP: Jack
Overall Grade: A

SEASON 2
Best Ep: "Man Of Science, Man Of Faith"
Worst Ep: "Adrift"
S2 MVP: Ben
Overall Grade: A-

SEASON 3
Best Ep: "Through The Looking Glass"
Worst Ep: "Stranger In A Strange Land"
S3 MVP: Charlie
Overall Grade: B

SEASON 4
Best Ep: "The Constant"
Worst Ep: "The Other Woman"
S4 MVP: Desmond
Overall Grade: B+

SEASON 5
Best Ep: "The Life & Death Of Jeremy Bentham"
Worst Ep: "The Lie"
S5 MVP: Juliet & Sawyer
Overall Grade: B+

SEASON 6
Best Sideways Story: "Desmond, the brutal, romantic super-Buddha. Assist to Charlie for reactivating Des with magnetic cool."
Worst Sideways Story: "Fugitive Kate. The least developed of the tales and the least different from Island-world mythology."
S6 MVP: Flocke
Season-To-Date Grade: A



NOTE - FOR THOSE WHO WILL SEE A SPOILER TAG IN A POST AT THIS POINT & FREAK: THIS IS INFO (ABOUT PAST SEASONS) JUST FROM THE SPECIAL 'LOST' ISSUE OF ENTERTAINMENT WEEKLY, NOT ANY SPOILER INFO OF THE REMAINING EPISODES

[junior94]

Actually here's something else I copied out as well, not from EW, but this was a recent poll conducted over at DarkUFO that I found interesting.

------------------------------------------------------------------
IF UNEXPLAINED, WHAT WOULD BE THE BIGGEST PLOT HOLE OF "LOST"?

Mysteries surrounding Walt -- 42%

Attack in the outrigger during one of S5's flashes -- 13%

Christian appearing to Michael and Jack outside the island -- 12%

Desmond's vision of Claire escaping the island on a helicopter with Aaron -- 11%

MIB being in the moving cabin although it was surrounded by an ash circle (or not?) -- 9%

Sun, Frank and the others not traveling thru time -- 7%

None of these would be plot holes -- 5%

Other -- 1%

(total votes: 2,735)
-----------------------------------------------------------------


As far as Christian appearing to Michael and Jack each separately off-island, I think I might be okay with just the idea that that was simply Christian's ghost doing that, and not MIB impersonating him like the prior on-island times that Flocke recently admitted to.

[jojo04]

Actually here's something else I copied out as well, not from EW, but this was a recent poll conducted over at DarkUFO that I found interesting.

------------------------------------------------------------------
IF UNEXPLAINED, WHAT WOULD BE THE BIGGEST PLOT HOLE OF "LOST"?

Mysteries surrounding Walt -- 42%

Attack in the outrigger during one of S5's flashes -- 13%

Christian appearing to Michael and Jack outside the island -- 12%

Desmond's vision of Claire escaping the island on a helicopter with Aaron -- 11%

MIB being in the moving cabin although it was surrounded by an ash circle (or not?) -- 9%

Sun, Frank and the others not traveling thru time -- 7%

None of these would be plot holes -- 5%

Other -- 1%

(total votes: 2,735)
-----------------------------------------------------------------


As far as Christian appearing to Michael and Jack each separately off-island, I think I might be okay with just the idea that that was simply Christian's ghost doing that, and not MIB impersonating him like the prior on-island times that Flocke recently admitted to.



Agree with the Christian thing. As far as with Walt, it's immaterial at this point so I don't think people should care.

The last two bolded, however, I would like to know about.

[funktabulous]

^^ oh that reminds me, here's a bunch of info I copied out on another site from the EW Lost issue. Other than a feature story about the last days on set and a retrospective about the pilot, they did a breakdown of each season, picking certain elements as "best of" of each one (voted on by the writers, not any fans).

I guess I'll put it all in a spoiler tag for the hell of it, if you don't wanna see this before you pick up the actual issue for yourself.



SEASON 1
Best Episode: "Walkabout"
Worst Episode: "Whatever The Case May Be"
S1 MVP: Jack
Overall Grade: A

SEASON 2
Best Ep: "Man Of Science, Man Of Faith"
Worst Ep: "Adrift"
S2 MVP: Ben
Overall Grade: A-

SEASON 3
Best Ep: "Through The Looking Glass"
Worst Ep: "Stranger In A Strange Land"
S3 MVP: Charlie
Overall Grade: B

SEASON 4
Best Ep: "The Constant"
Worst Ep: "The Other Woman"
S4 MVP: Desmond
Overall Grade: B+

SEASON 5
Best Ep: "The Life & Death Of Jeremy Bentham"
Worst Ep: "The Lie"
S5 MVP: Juliet & Sawyer
Overall Grade: B+

SEASON 6
Best Sideways Story: "Desmond, the brutal, romantic super-Buddha. Assist to Charlie for reactivating Des with magnetic cool."
Worst Sideways Story: "Fugitive Kate. The least developed of the tales and the least different from Island-world mythology."
S6 MVP: Flocke
Season-To-Date Grade: A



NOTE - FOR THOSE WHO WILL SEE A SPOILER TAG IN A POST AT THIS POINT & FREAK: THIS IS INFO (ABOUT PAST SEASONS) JUST FROM THE SPECIAL 'LOST' ISSUE OF ENTERTAINMENT WEEKLY, NOT ANY SPOILER INFO OF THE REMAINING EPISODES


I'm not generally a big fan of EW but did pick up the latest issue and it was very enjoyable.

[water_into_wine]

Actually here's something else I copied out as well, not from EW, but this was a recent poll conducted over at DarkUFO that I found interesting.

------------------------------------------------------------------
IF UNEXPLAINED, WHAT WOULD BE THE BIGGEST PLOT HOLE OF "LOST"?

Mysteries surrounding Walt -- 42%

Attack in the outrigger during one of S5's flashes -- 13%

Christian appearing to Michael and Jack outside the island -- 12%

Desmond's vision of Claire escaping the island on a helicopter with Aaron -- 11%

MIB being in the moving cabin although it was surrounded by an ash circle (or not?) -- 9%

Sun, Frank and the others not traveling thru time -- 7%

None of these would be plot holes -- 5%

Other -- 1%

(total votes: 2,735)
-----------------------------------------------------------------


As far as Christian appearing to Michael and Jack each separately off-island, I think I might be okay with just the idea that that was simply Christian's ghost doing that, and not MIB impersonating him like the prior on-island times that Flocke recently admitted to.

I actually agree with almost every grade in there except that I'd give Season 5 a grade notch higher.

[hbktonyb]

Here we gooooo!!

[junior94]

oh and there's a particular guest star that I know about will be in tonight's episode, I can't WAIT to see her! One of my favorite actresses, I still kinda can't believe she's even going to be in this series.

[Beebz]

Why are they speaking english?

[junior94]

That's right it's CJ Cregg, bitches!! (aka Allison Janney)

[Beebz]

^^ oh that reminds me, here's a bunch of info I copied out on another site from the EW Lost issue. Other than a feature story about the last days on set and a retrospective about the pilot, they did a breakdown of each season, picking certain elements as "best of" of each one (voted on by the writers, not any fans).

I guess I'll put it all in a spoiler tag for the hell of it, if you don't wanna see this before you pick up the actual issue for yourself.



SEASON 1
Best Episode: "Walkabout"
Worst Episode: "Whatever The Case May Be"
S1 MVP: Jack
Overall Grade: A

SEASON 2
Best Ep: "Man Of Science, Man Of Faith"
Worst Ep: "Adrift"
S2 MVP: Ben
Overall Grade: A-

SEASON 3
Best Ep: "Through The Looking Glass"
Worst Ep: "Stranger In A Strange Land"
S3 MVP: Charlie
Overall Grade: B

SEASON 4
Best Ep: "The Constant"
Worst Ep: "The Other Woman"
S4 MVP: Desmond
Overall Grade: B+

SEASON 5
Best Ep: "The Life & Death Of Jeremy Bentham"
Worst Ep: "The Lie"
S5 MVP: Juliet & Sawyer
Overall Grade: B+

SEASON 6
Best Sideways Story: "Desmond, the brutal, romantic super-Buddha. Assist to Charlie for reactivating Des with magnetic cool."
Worst Sideways Story: "Fugitive Kate. The least developed of the tales and the least different from Island-world mythology."
S6 MVP: Flocke
Season-To-Date Grade: A



NOTE - FOR THOSE WHO WILL SEE A SPOILER TAG IN A POST AT THIS POINT & FREAK: THIS IS INFO (ABOUT PAST SEASONS) JUST FROM THE SPECIAL 'LOST' ISSUE OF ENTERTAINMENT WEEKLY, NOT ANY SPOILER INFO OF THE REMAINING EPISODES

EW had Season 6 as a B+ with the possibilty of it being an A with a good finale.

[twistedmind1586]

Why are they speaking english?

so that it's not an hour of subtitles is my guess.


also, i guess this is proof that MIB is not Aaron.

THANK GOD.

[jojo04]

That escalated quickly

[hbktonyb]

Whoaaaaa

[hbktonyb]

...and there is the blonde kid, nice

[Beebz]

This series is about to get elevated or go competely off a cliff after this commercial.

[Beebz]

so that it's not an hour of subtitles is my guess.


also, i guess this is proof that MIB is not Aaron.

THANK GOD.

They spoke Spanish in ab aeterno. They just switched to english. Maybe I'm
overthinking it.

[JMcCartyFBI]

This series is about to get elevated or go competely off a cliff after this commercial.

Yes they are dangerously close to going off the sci fi/fantasy deep end.

[jojo04]

I should have just waited 20 minutes longer to start watching so I didn't have to deal with these unbearable commercials

[hbktonyb]

Yes they are dangerously close to going off the sci fi/fantasy deep end.

Seriously, I am very nervous about this now :cool

[mja271]

The acting is pooptacular this episode. This could go either way right now

[junior94]

so that it's not an hour of subtitles is my guess..

I VERY much doubt this is the case. This isn't like Hunt For Red October here, where there's an initial wink to the audience of "yea, we know in reality they'd be speaking another language the whole time, but so you don't have to READ the whole friggin movie...".

There must've been something visual I missed in that opening scene, but I do know there was a short, very creepy music cue when they switched to English. I'm sure there's a specific reason why they're speaking English now.

[Beebz]

Kinda slow too

[hbktonyb]

I VERY much doubt this is the case. This isn't like Hunt For Red October here, where there's an initial wink to the audience of "yea, we know in reality they'd be speaking another language the whole time, but so you don't have to READ the whole friggin movie...".

There must've been something visual I missed in that opening scene, but I do know there was a short, very creepy music cue when they switched to English. I'm sure there's a specific reason why they're speaking English now.

Just rewatched it...interesting. Also, Claudia kind of looked up after she started speaking English...

[sunshower]

This is not going as I had hoped. I'm kind of bored.

[justink]

this show blows

[jojo04]

So far it seems this episode, if the writers felt wa a necessity, should have been aired earlier this season

[mja271]

Well this episode is a huge letdown so far. We'll see how it ends.

[twistedmind1586]

well it should pick up after this commercial break. lots of ground to cover with about 14 minutes of actual show left

[Beebz]

This is not going as I had hoped. I'm kind of bored.

How is it 9:40 and we don't have a single clue as to what's going on?

This episode feels like it should be 2 hours long and taken place two months ago.

[hbktonyb]

...I am beyond frustrated

[hbktonyb]

Ummm...ok

[Beebz]

Something needs to happen. Now. This is beyond infuriating.

[twistedmind1586]

there better be some tie in at the end of the episode to the current island story. i want to know why the fuck MIB is doing what he's doing. that's really all i want out of this episode.

after all even ABC described this shit as, "the motives of locke finally revealed"

[twistedmind1586]

tack on some more commercials please

[jojo04]

there better be some tie in at the end of the episode to the current island story. i want to know why the fuck MIB is doing what he's doing. that's really all i want out of this episode.

after all even ABC described this shit as, "the motives of locke finally revealed"

To leave the island. I guess abc just forgot we already knew.

[tgg5014]

This is fucking retarded. This is one of the last 3 episodes? Really?

[justink]

This is fucking retarded.

qft.