Chicago Cubs

[gocubsgo3822]

well that was scary but we got out of it thank god... I would really like some blue cross blue shield insurance runs

[JaJunk]

That was a huge stop by Demp.

[UCFish]

Yeah it was I am tired of the leadoff man being on.

[JaJunk]

In the middle of an inning?

[UCFish]

Well that was awful.

[gocubsgo3822]

well that was awful *2..... Go bullpen.. Good job demp

[clayj41]

Whew...out of another jam. Please score some runs!

[gocubsgo3822]

this team is slowly but surely giving me a heart attack... i mean loney almost hits a grandslam and then ks.... i am nervous.. this would be an ugly win but i like ugly wins better than pretty losses

[UCFish]

Hopefully Wood won't hit the first batter.

[UCFish]

Nice Ramirez

[clayj41]

Thank you Aramis!

[clayj41]

Cubs Win!!! :multi

[UCFish]

Cubs Win!!!!!

[gocubsgo3822]

Cubs win!!!!!!... We should be on a 8 game winning streak.... but no need to grumble right now CUBS WIN!!!!!!!!!!!

[Voittaa]

Go Cubbies!!!

[bothedmbfan]

Way to go team!

[Sou1 So1di3r]

phew.......

[devilandthelord]

Why don't the Cubs bat Fuk leadoff?

I was thinking about this last week.
Fuk has displayed that he does a great job of getting on base, working the count and not swinging at bad pitches.
He also has good speed, baserunning skills and hits the ball hard, but not often with home-run power.
Soriano says he is most comfortable out of the leadoff spot, but I say, you know what? Fuck that guy until he is most comfortable playing left field and catching routine foul balls.
But seriously, I'd rather have a guy with his power and feared bat in the middle of the order than leadoff. Why not give a guy like that a chance to knock more runners in?
As well, Soriano does not have a good OBP and is a free swinger.
It would give us the best chance to have runners on base with the big boppers up.

I think the lineup would be at its most productive and dangerous like this:

Fukudome
Theriot
Lee
Ramirez
Soriano
Soto
DeRosa/Fontenot
Edmonds/Johnson/Pie
Pitcher

I think that's a really nasty lineup.
Thoughts?

[bothedmbfan]

I'd rather have Fuk's batting in the middle, so he can knock people home.

[devilandthelord]

I'd rather have Fuk's batting in the middle, so he can knock people home.

But he gets on base a lot more than Soriano, and is more selective. So if you put Soriano in his place, with his greater power, he can knock in guys like Fuk who are on base all the time.
Not to mention Theriot, the speedster, and Lee and Ramirez, who all have much higher OBPs than Fonzie.

[SqueeBaBooSquee]

I would support the Fuk switch.

He seems like he would be a good lead off man.

After all Soriano does have a lot lead off home runs that don't really mean much most of the time. If he was batting even just second I think it would be more collectively productive for the team.

The Dome has been one of the most, if not the most consistant player thus far this year. Lead off would be a good spot for him.

[HolyCow]

Cubs.

[clayj41]

Why don't the Cubs bat Fuk leadoff?

I was thinking about this last week.
Fuk has displayed that he does a great job of getting on base, working the count and not swinging at bad pitches.
He also has good speed, baserunning skills and hits the ball hard, but not often with home-run power.
Soriano says he is most comfortable out of the leadoff spot, but I say, you know what? Fuck that guy until he is most comfortable playing left field and catching routine foul balls.
But seriously, I'd rather have a guy with his power and feared bat in the middle of the order than leadoff. Why not give a guy like that a chance to knock more runners in?
As well, Soriano does not have a good OBP and is a free swinger.
It would give us the best chance to have runners on base with the big boppers up.

I think the lineup would be at its most productive and dangerous like this:

Fukudome
Theriot
Lee
Ramirez
Soriano
Soto
DeRosa/Fontenot
Edmonds/Johnson/Pie
Pitcher

I think that's a really nasty lineup.
Thoughts?

One reason...Soriano will cry like a little bitch if he doesn't get to bat in his precious leadoff spot. Nothing more, nothing less.

[gocubsgo3822]

i am going to say something a lil controversial but dome = 40 million down the drain.... i know we signed him for 48 but he cant hit with any authority and MLB ptchers have figured him out.. Just pound him away low and outside. He cant do anything with it. I have seen more pathetic swings in the past 2 weeks from him than the rest of the team combined.

Edmons is here becuase dome is not all that cracked up to what he was supposed to be....

[gocubsgo3822]

yall need to read this...

http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/cs-27-iowa-cubs-chicagomay27,1,6503324.story

enjoy.... its a must read

[darbini]

negative

He's batting almost .300, on base % is almost .400, leads the team in walks and triples, 3rd in hits, 4th in runs, and he also leads the outfield in assists iwth only one error on the year. He's in a little bit of a slump right now, but he is as legit as they come. He's played for a long time already, and will adapt to what he needs to in order to be more productive. Pitchers learn from previous mistakes, then Fukudome makes mistakes and learns from them, it's a cat and mouse game. Just throwing low and outside isn't going to get the job done, he'll adjust. Edmonds isn't here because Dome is performing poor lately, he's here for experience to the youngere players and to have another left handed bat in the lineup. He's batting .376 at home, and only .207 on the road, maybe it's b/c he is used to the same Wrigley setting for his at bats and not used to the different ballparks around the league. This can definitely be tough for a new player, foreign or domestic. Blah blah blah ehhhhh Go Cubs!

[TheOtherside]

i am going to say something a lil controversial but dome = 40 million down the drain.... i know we signed him for 48 but he cant hit with any authority and MLB ptchers have figured him out.. Just pound him away low and outside. He cant do anything with it. I have seen more pathetic swings in the past 2 weeks from him than the rest of the team combined.

Edmons is here becuase dome is not all that cracked up to what he was supposed to be....

yeah... no.

[clayj41]

Edmonds is here becuase dome is not all that cracked up to what he was supposed to be....

Has Edmonds even had a multi-hit game yet?

[41ravens]

Has Edmonds even had a multi-hit game yet?

no. no he doesn't. he has three hits in a cubs' uniform. three.

[clayj41]

no. no he doesn't. he has three hits in a cubs' uniform. three.

I think I've seen all of them! :lol

Good to see that he's living up to expectations....:rolleyes

[gocubsgo3822]

respect all of yalls opinions i jsut dont think dome is what we expected he would be and thats why you hear lou all the time saying we need a lefty bat "that can drive the ball with authority" that was supposed to be dome but he is a singles hitter that draws a lot of walks which is fine... but at the same time not one that you pay 12 million a year.... I think July 31st we should go after Milton Bradley for CF or RF and shift Dome to CF if we need a bat...

i like dome but he needs to start making adjustments. it seems that the pitchers have adjusted to him. and no what to do with him. I hope that this changes.

As far as #15 he was brought in because lous obviously worried by the fact that we have no lefty power prescense. We can debate all we want if #15 is that (hes not) but he was brought in for that reason..

Lets take two in a row!!!!!!

[saygdbye4134]

was at the game yesterday, finally got a win after going 0-2.

i was at the sox game on sunday (company outing. free tix in the luxury suites). definetly couldn't be a sox fan. have you ever heard their song? sounds like a bunch of handicapped people got together and wrote a song.

[DMBtheStoned]

i am going to say something a lil controversial but dome = 40 million down the drain.... i know we signed him for 48 but he cant hit with any authority and MLB ptchers have figured him out.. Just pound him away low and outside. He cant do anything with it. I have seen more pathetic swings in the past 2 weeks from him than the rest of the team combined.

Edmons is here becuase dome is not all that cracked up to what he was supposed to be....


Uhhh No dude....everyweek you seem to hate someone new on the Cubs...what gives?

[gocubsgo3822]

Uhhh No dude....everyweek you seem to hate someone new on the Cubs...what gives?

i just dont think dome is all that great right now and worth 12 million a year. i love the cubs but i think we might have made a rash decision. I just think he might hit 8 home runs with 50 driven in. thats not worth 12 million. And as his batting average his dropping so will his OBP... I think its very likely that by the end of the season he will finish with a sub .800 OPS. Thats not good for 12 million..

I hope he starts driving the ball with authority to prove me incorrect :D

[devilandthelord]

respect all of yalls opinions i jsut dont think dome is what we expected he would be and thats why you hear lou all the time saying we need a lefty bat "that can drive the ball with authority" that was supposed to be dome but he is a singles hitter that draws a lot of walks which is fine... but at the same time not one that you pay 12 million a year.... I think July 31st we should go after Milton Bradley for CF or RF and shift Dome to CF if we need a bat...

i like dome but he needs to start making adjustments. it seems that the pitchers have adjusted to him. and no what to do with him. I hope that this changes.

As far as #15 he was brought in because lous obviously worried by the fact that we have no lefty power prescense. We can debate all we want if #15 is that (hes not) but he was brought in for that reason..

Lets take two in a row!!!!!!

NO. You should have stopped there, because the rest of your post was just wrong after that.
Actually your whole line of thinking about Fukudome is off.
He's coming back down to earth after having such a hot start.
Yeah guys have started to figure him out a bit, but thats to be expected with any guy they've never seen before.
I still believe he can and will be a .300 or better hitter this year.

[gocubsgo3822]

since may 1...

.256/.354/.329 in 97 PA since the start of May after hitting .327/.436/.480 in 117 April plate appearances.

my eyes arent deceiving me

[devilandthelord]

since may 1...

.256/.354/.329 in 97 PA since the start of May after hitting .327/.436/.480 in 117 April plate appearances.

my eyes arent deceiving me

Yah. Just like I told you. He's coming back to earth after tearing it up in April.
Its nothing strange.
He'll be good.

[clayj41]

since may 1...

.256/.354/.329 in 97 PA since the start of May after hitting .327/.436/.480 in 117 April plate appearances.

my eyes arent deceiving me

Do we want to talk about Chase Utley's May? He was off the charts in April and has come down to Earth as well. I know the two are incomparable and agree that Fukudome has not proven to be a power hitter worth $12 million a year, but I'd rather have him on my team than not have him.

[Tripping Billy7]

Honestly, I can't disagree more either. We have plenty of power hitters (Lee, Ramirez, Soriano, Soto). It's guys like Theriot, Derosa, and Fukudome who keep us in ballgames when our power hitters are slumping. So far this year, when our home run hitters are hot, we've been unstoppable. That's why we're about 20-3 when winning by four runs. However, there have also been plenty of times when our singles and walks have won us the game. And as far as salary goes, 12 million a year is great for someone with an OBP of .400 . Look at Ichiro, he's getting around 15 mil a year for batting around .320 each season. Yeah I know Fukudome is far from being called Ichiro, but I believe there is a lot of potential.

[clayj41]

Scary there for a bit....looks like Gallagher can continue though.

[DMBtheStoned]

Why did Gallagher cut his hair????!

[Tiduwho]

Damn, the ball just won't carry tonight!

[clayj41]

Man the wind sucks tonight! :twak

[weller3377]

fucking Theriot

[weller3377]

Yessssss!!!!

[clayj41]

Woohoo! :multi


Fukudome drives in another one! :multi

[devilandthelord]

Alright Aramis!
Way to hit baby!

[devilandthelord]

Woohoo!
This gamecast is killin me!
Its so behind.

[weller3377]

come on Jimmy

[devilandthelord]

WHere's gocubsgo?
I believe thats Fuk who's 2-3 with an RBI tonight!

[clayj41]

WHere's gocubsgo?
I believe thats Fuk who's 2-3 with an RBI tonight!

Edmonds is still better....:rolleyes :lol

[devilandthelord]

And Edmonds grounds out.

Anybody wanna tell me why we're batting him ahead of Soto tonight?
ANYBODY?

[weller3377]

he is straight up getting booo'ed everytime he gets out.

[devilandthelord]

Edmonds is still better....:rolleyes :lol

My left nut is better than Edmonds.
AND thats the one that hangs lower than the other one!

[DMBtheStoned]

Where is the Fuk hater?

[Bron Yr Aur]

Wow...why does Marmol have to pick tonight to lose his control??? Jesus. We take the lead and might go and lose it. 2 walks to load the bases? Come on.

[clayj41]

Fuk has had 3 great defensive plays tonight as well. He earned his paycheck.


We are in a jam here....c'mon Marmol!!!

[DMBtheStoned]

Shit if we're giving Marquis $10Mil a year or whatever he makes...Fuk is def worth $12 Mil.

[devilandthelord]

Nice strikeout!
Just need one more out, doesn't matter how.

[devilandthelord]

Matt Kemp, you are on one of my fantasy teams, but please make an out here.

[clayj41]

Shit if we're giving Marquis $10Mil a year or whatever he makes...Fuk is def worth $12 Mil.

Marquis should pay the Cubs for the right to grace the jersey.

[Tiduwho]

Way to work out of it Marmol!! I knew you were still a pimp!

[devilandthelord]

Phew!
Marmol making us nervous, but he comes through again!

[Tiduwho]

respect all of yalls opinions i jsut dont think dome is what we expected he would be and thats why you hear lou all the time saying we need a lefty bat "that can drive the ball with authority" that was supposed to be dome but he is a singles hitter that draws a lot of walks which is fine... but at the same time not one that you pay 12 million a year.... I think July 31st we should go after Milton Bradley for CF or RF and shift Dome to CF if we need a bat...

i like dome but he needs to start making adjustments. it seems that the pitchers have adjusted to him. and no what to do with him. I hope that this changes.

As far as #15 he was brought in because lous obviously worried by the fact that we have no lefty power prescense. We can debate all we want if #15 is that (hes not) but he was brought in for that reason..




Fuko-Pwned.

[devilandthelord]

Fuko-Pwned.

*Hits the gong*

:lol

[clayj41]

Cubs Win!!!!!!!! :multi

[DMBtheStoned]

Cubs Win!

[devilandthelord]

Wow that was a quick 9th inning.
Damn we're good at home.

Cubs win!!!

[devilandthelord]

Cubs Win!

Rays Lose!

Now the Cubs have the best record in baseball!

:monkey

[Bron Yr Aur]

respect all of yalls opinions i jsut dont think dome is what we expected he would be and thats why you hear lou all the time saying we need a lefty bat "that can drive the ball with authority" that was supposed to be dome but he is a singles hitter that draws a lot of walks which is fine... but at the same time not one that you pay 12 million a year.... I think July 31st we should go after Milton Bradley for CF or RF and shift Dome to CF if we need a bat...

i like dome but he needs to start making adjustments. it seems that the pitchers have adjusted to him. and no what to do with him. I hope that this changes.

As far as #15 he was brought in because lous obviously worried by the fact that we have no lefty power prescense. We can debate all we want if #15 is that (hes not) but he was brought in for that reason..

Lets take two in a row!!!!!!

You have convinced me of one thing....

....that you know absolutely nothing about baseball.

You know what? Derek Lee has been in a big slump for a few weeks now, and is finally starting to get out of it a bit. I guess he's not worth whatever we're paying him....

[DMBtheStoned]

Rays Lose!

Now the Cubs have the best record in baseball!

:monkey

Nope. Tied.

[DMBtheStoned]

You have convinced me of one thing....

....that you know absolutely nothing about baseball.



I learned that a few weeks ago..

[HolyCow]

Cubs baby. Cubs.

[devilandthelord]

If we play like this at home all season and just go .500 or better on the road, we'll win 100 easy.

Edit: Actually that's not entirely true, we'll win 98 or 99 games if we went at that pace.
But whatever, I'm sure we'd coast to the division at that pace.

[gocubsgo3822]

ok i am getting a lil bit angry now... seriously there is no need for malicious attacks. I blled and die cubbie blue just like everyone else here. There is no need to question my baseball knowledge and call me an idiot. the facts remain hat since may 1 he has had an OPS of aroun .600 which wont gt it done for a corner outifelder. I also never said that Edmonds is better than him.

What i said was that lou obviously doesnt believe that DOmeis the left handed power bat which is why we signed Edmonds (Hes not either and i hope s released soon (hello adam dunn hello milton bradley))

I am really a lil po'd that i am getting so much shit for making a statement based on facts. I normally count on this thread as the one place to not catch any grief and yea.... Yall can disagree with me like i do with yall without insulting my baseball knowledge.

On another note

CUBS WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 2 in a row!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Gallagher was fucking awesome tonight!!!!!! A better throw by Soriano and he gives up no runs. We came back tonight when our offense looked dead and i like that that shows a lot about the team

3 stars of the game

1. Gallagher (kid is going to be special just wait)
2. Dome (2-3 with a walk an RBI and a double and single
i am glad you made me look foolish :) ))
3. Rami- just doing what he does best hanging in there and driving the ball

Also Ronny did well as well as Soriano

Lets break out the brooms tomorrow!!!!!

[devilandthelord]

ok i am getting a lil bit angry now... seriously there is no need for malicious attacks. I blled and die cubbie blue just like everyone else here. There is no need to question my baseball knowledge and call me an idiot. the facts remain hat since may 1 he has had an OPS of aroun .600 which wont gt it done for a corner outifelder. I also never said that Edmonds is better than him.

What i said was that lou obviously doesnt believe that DOmeis the left handed power bat which is why we signed Edmonds (Hes not either and i hope s released soon (hello adam dunn hello milton bradley))

I am really a lil po'd that i am getting so much shit for making a statement based on facts. I normally count on this thread as the one place to not catch any grief and yea.... Yall can disagree with me like i do with yall without insulting my baseball knowledge.

On another note

CUBS WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 2 in a row!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Gallagher was fucking awesome tonight!!!!!! A better throw by Soriano and he gives up no runs. We came back tonight when our offense looked dead and i like that that shows a lot about the team

3 stars of the game

1. Gallagher (kid is going to be special just wait)
2. Dome (2-3 with a walk an RBI and a double and single
i am glad you made me look foolish :) ))
3. Rami- just doing what he does best hanging in there and driving the ball

Also Ronny did well as well as Soriano

Lets break out the brooms tomorrow!!!!!

There is no way in hell we could have Fonz in left field and Dunn in right field and hope to have a team fielding percentage above .900.

[gocubsgo3822]

dunn and soriano dont drop balls so therefor the team defense numbers wouldnt be affected Therefor your fielding percentage number is absurd. Now we could talk about range ratings but thats not what you said.

(you can claim soriano did it on sunday but the official scorer ruled it a hit)

[clayj41]

(you can claim soriano did it on sunday but the official scorer ruled it a hit)

:rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes

[devilandthelord]

dunn and soriano dont drop balls so therefor the team defense numbers wouldnt be affected Therefor your fielding percentage number is absurd. Now we could talk about range ratings but thats not what you said.

(you can claim soriano did it on sunday but the official scorer ruled it a hit)

Yeah, and?
Would you have ruled it a hit?

[gocubsgo3822]

yes if you lose the ball in the sun it is a hit not an error. People lose balls in the sun. Shit happens. Everyone on here hates on SOriano all day long but without his home run that catch doesnt matter.

Interesting article i found

"Piniella said there's no "time limit" for Edmonds to prove he can hit, but added: "The only problem I have here as a manager is I've got a young man named (Micah) Hoffpauir here, and I want to see what he can do also, so it creates a little bit of a situation for us, for me as a manager.

"Outside of that, there's no timetable on anything. But, this kid has had two good springs for us and he's hit the ball well, and we've got the luxury of having him here while Daryle Ward is on the DL, so we'd like to have a little clarification there also."

Judging by the Piniella pause, there may be some clarification sooner than we think. "

New lineup

RHP
Soriano LF
Dome CF
Lee 1B
Ramrez 3B
Hoffpauir RF
Soto C
DeRosa 2B
Theriot SS

LHP
Soriano LF
Theriot SS
Lee 1B
Rmairez 3B
Soto C
Dome RF
Johnson CF

+ we release #15 and bring Felix back up to sub in the 8th inning on.

i am worried about Hoffs dfense in right and i know DOme can play CF...

[gocubsgo3822]

sutcliffe said this tonight

"Sutcliffe, who won the National League Cy Young Award for the 1984 Cubs, was thrilled to return to Wrigley Field.

"I've lived in a lot of houses, but if somebody asked me where my real home was, it's right out there in the middle of that infield," he said. "This is my family.""

class act glad he is doing well

[clayj41]

sutcliffe said this tonight

"Sutcliffe, who won the National League Cy Young Award for the 1984 Cubs, was thrilled to return to Wrigley Field.

"I've lived in a lot of houses, but if somebody asked me where my real home was, it's right out there in the middle of that infield," he said. "This is my family.""

class act glad he is doing well

:thumbsup It was great to see Sutty back in the booth!

[gocubsgo3822]

agreed Clay!!!!!!!

[gocubsgo3822]

#15 knows he is done

"With just three hits in 24 at-bats as a Cub, OF Jim Edmonds isn't sure what his future holds. "The worst thing that can happen to me is they send me back to my family,"

[UCFish]

Uhhh No dude....everyweek you seem to hate someone new on the Cubs...what gives?

Happy to see an avatar I recognize!

[UCFish]

Where is the Fuk hater?

Come on he has NOT been good lately.

[clayj41]

Come on he has NOT been good lately.

But he hasn't been horrendous either! Everyone on this team has had at least one slump this season. If you expect him to be a power hitter, then no he has not been good lately. He and Geo have been our two most consistent players though.

[UCFish]

Yes today he had a good dat but for the most part he swings like a jackass for a strikeout.


Sidenote I still like him.

[UCFish]

But he hasn't been horrendous either! Everyone on this team has had at least one slump this season. If you expect him to be a power hitter, then no he has not been good lately. He and Geo have been our two most consistent players though.

I never expected him to be a power hitter I just see the Jackass swing that pisses me off.

He had a great game today though.

GO CUBS!!!!
:monkey

[UCFish]

Marquis should pay the Cubs for the right to grace the jersey.

:thumbsup

Agreed

[UCFish]

Grand slam go Cubs!

[clayj41]

Yes today he had a good dat but for the most part he swings like a jackass for a strikeout.


Sidenote I still like him.

I never expected him to be a power hitter I just see the Jackass swing that pisses me off.

He had a great game today though.

GO CUBS!!!!
:monkey

Regardless, he's usually good for at least one hit a game and has a great OBP. He should be batting leadoff.

[gocubsgo3822]

Yes today he had a good dat but for the most part he swings like a jackass for a strikeout.


Sidenote I still like him.

:thumbsup Thats how i feel. I feel like when he whiffs he has the ugliest swing in the world. At least Fonzies swing looks nice. Dome seems like he is about to break his ankle when he strikes out.

And Clay thats what i was talking about is that hes not a power hitter. ANd you also dont pay singles hitters 12 million a year. :ggoat (i lke the goat)

dont know how i feel aboutt he word jackass but i appreciate the support

[gocubsgo3822]

Grand slam go Cubs!

WTF are you talking about??

Crack kills

[clayj41]

WTF are you talking about??

Crack kills

He had 4 posts in a row in here. That's a grand slam. ;)

[UCFish]

He had 4 posts in a row in here. That's a grand slam. ;)

Thank you! at least someone understands.

[gocubsgo3822]

ahh well that being said

i apologize

[gocubsgo3822]

lets sweep tomorrow

[UCFish]

Regardless, he's usually good for at least one hit a game and has a great OBP. He should be batting leadoff.

Wow I was a little mean there.

If nothing else he has taught everyone but Soriano patience...

Still having nightmares about the Pirates game.

[gocubsgo3822]

then the rockies without holliday and hawpe this weekend and they blow dick

[gocubsgo3822]

Wow I was a little mean there.

If nothing else he has taught everyone but Soriano patience...

Still having nightmares about the Pirates game.

fucking ass clown way to ruin my grand slam

go Z tomorrow!!!!!!!!! 8-1 hopefully!!!!!!!!

[clayj41]

Thank you! at least someone understands.

It's more of a tour thread thing. It would be too easy to do in here. :lol

then the rockies without holliday and hawpe this weekend and they blow dick

And Barmes, and Tulo.....their whole team is on the DL!!!

[gocubsgo3822]

from the trib


"While Piniella bemoans the need for a left-handed run producer—a sign Kosuke Fukudome isn't living up to his potential—the Cubs are clubbing foes into submission."

[Bron Yr Aur]

ok i am getting a lil bit angry now... seriously there is no need for malicious attacks. I blled and die cubbie blue just like everyone else here. There is no need to question my baseball knowledge and call me an idiot. the facts remain hat since may 1 he has had an OPS of aroun .600 which wont gt it done for a corner outifelder. I also never said that Edmonds is better than him.

What i said was that lou obviously doesnt believe that DOmeis the left handed power bat which is why we signed Edmonds (Hes not either and i hope s released soon (hello adam dunn hello milton bradley))

I am really a lil po'd that i am getting so much shit for making a statement based on facts. I normally count on this thread as the one place to not catch any grief and yea.... Yall can disagree with me like i do with yall without insulting my baseball knowledge.

On another note

CUBS WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 2 in a row!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Gallagher was fucking awesome tonight!!!!!! A better throw by Soriano and he gives up no runs. We came back tonight when our offense looked dead and i like that that shows a lot about the team

3 stars of the game

1. Gallagher (kid is going to be special just wait)
2. Dome (2-3 with a walk an RBI and a double and single
i am glad you made me look foolish :) ))
3. Rami- just doing what he does best hanging in there and driving the ball

Also Ronny did well as well as Soriano

Lets break out the brooms tomorrow!!!!!

A good way to keep yourself from catching shit is to post a little bit more intelligently. Not just your opinions (Adam Dunn? Really?), but I'm talking about grammar and punctuation, excessive swearing and exclamation points, etc.

Also, useless Jim Edmonds is just taking up space on tihs team. The dude does nothing but leave guys on base. Get rid of him, move Fukudome over and give Hoffpauir a few starts in right field. It couldn't hurt, and I think Fukudome would be serviceable in center (not as defensively solid as Johnson or Edmonds, but what can you do). You have to give Hoffpauir a chance, he's been up for 7 games now and only has 10 at bats.

[UCFish]

It's more of a tour thread thing. It would be too easy to do in here. :lol



And Barmes, and Tulo.....their whole team is on the DL!!!

This is true..I miss the old school Alpine thread. :(

[clayj41]

from the trib


"While Piniella bemoans the need for a left-handed run producer—a sign Kosuke Fukudome isn't living up to his potential—the Cubs are clubbing foes into submission."

He may not be driving them in, but he is 3rd on the team in runs scored...behind only A-Ram and D Lee.

[UCFish]

A good way to keep yourself from catching shit is to post a little bit more intelligently. Not just your opinions (Adam Dunn? Really?), but I'm talking about grammar and punctuation, excessive swearing and exclamation points, etc.

Pretty sure he will never wow us with punctuation.
:monkey

[clayj41]

This is true..I miss the old school Alpine thread. :(

Meh, I still post in there like crazy. I have almost 9,000 posts in this year's thread already! :eek

[gocubsgo3822]

A good way to keep yourself from catching shit is to post a little bit more intelligently. Not just your opinions (Adam Dunn? Really?), but I'm talking about grammar and punctuation, excessive swearing and exclamation points, etc.

so now the argument has warped from i know nothing about baseball to punctuation and swearing....:rolleyes I think this bait and switch tactic must be more to do with the fact that i am not the only one who thinks Kosuke hasnt lived up to his billing....

ANd yes Adam Dunn is a monster.

[Bron Yr Aur]

so now the argument has warped from i know nothing about baseball to punctuation and swearing....:rolleyes I think this bait and switch tactic must be more to do with the fact that i am not the only one who thinks Kosuke hasnt lived up to his billing....

ANd yes Adam Dunn is a monster.

No, it has to do with the fact that you come off as an idiot because of the way in which you post.

The lack of defense with Dunn and Soriano as your corner outfields would be very bad for a team that has been having defensive issues lately. Otherwise, sure, you have a point. I also think it's laughable how you think Fukudome is worthless after 50 games. Especially considering he's drawn more walks than anybody on the team and has a .300 average. The RBI's and home runs will come with time. Just as pitchers are starting to figure his zone out, he's adapting to major league pitching. He hasn't lived up to his billing? Give me a break. If he drops down to .275 with 50 RBI's at the end of the season it'll be a bust, but he's having a bit of a slump right now.

[JaJunk]

Fuk has been splendid. Fantastic. More than I hoped for.

[UCFish]

I don't normally defend him but he usually brings lots of good info into this thread.

Lineups before anyone..

Links to articles

Yes I do not agree completely with his Fuk opinions but no need to bash.

He as well as the rest of us just want the cubs to win!

[UCFish]

Meh, I still post in there like crazy. I have almost 9,000 posts in this year's thread already! :eek

I am excited to have a beer with you this year.

[UCFish]

Fuk has been splendid. Fantastic. More than I hoped for.

:thumbsup

Hope he and the Cubs can make it happen on the road though.

[gocubsgo3822]

No, it has to do with the fact that you come off as an idiot because of the way in which you post.

The lack of defense with Dunn and Soriano as your corner outfields would be very bad for a team that has been having defensive issues lately. Otherwise, sure, you have a point. I also think it's laughable how you think Fukudome is worthless after 50 games. Especially considering he's drawn more walks than anybody on the team and has a .300 average. The RBI's and home runs will come with time. Just as pitchers are starting to figure his zone out, he's adapting to major league pitching. He hasn't lived up to his billing? Give me a break. If he drops down to .275 with 50 RBI's at the end of the season it'll be a bust, but he's having a bit of a slump right now.

Hes adapting a lot slower than pitchers are adapting to him. I like how i am the ony one using stats and i am the moron :rolleyes.

[UCFish]

Grand Slam again.....

:)

Go cubs

:monkey

damn it

[UCFish]

No morons keep the positive chi.

[gocubsgo3822]

Grand Slam again.....

:)

Go cubs

:monkey

damn it

got you this time :evil

[clayj41]

I am excited to have a beer with you this year.

Damn right! :cool

Hes adapting a lot slower than pitchers are adapting to him. I like how i am the ony one using stats and i am the moron :rolleyes.

How do you explain saying that he's not a run producer?

D Lee: 41 runs
A-Ram: 37 runs
Fuk: 32 runs
Fonzie: 24 runs
Geo: 21 runs

Now he may not drive in a lot of runs, but he is a pretty solid run producer.

[gocubsgo3822]

Damn right! :cool



How do you explain saying that he's not a run producer?

D Lee: 41 runs
A-Ram: 37 runs
Fuk: 32 runs
Fonzie: 24 runs
Geo: 21 runs

Now he may not drive in a lot of runs, but he is a pretty solid run producer.

i agree wth you clay he has gotten on base well but his power is not exactly what i thought and he is not the ichiro/matsui hybrid that we were lead to believe he was. He might be an Iwamura/Ichiro hybrid. But i dont see his power being much more than 8-10 HR... He is ideal for the leadoff or second hole.

interesting article here about gallaghers performance tonight

http://chicagosports.inside-edge.com/cubsPPG.aspx?TeamID=8&dt=052708

and on the cubs hitting (very cool)

http://chicagosports.inside-edge.com/cubsHRCPG.aspx?TeamID=8&dt=052708

and more Gallagher

http://chicagosports.inside-edge.com/cubsPRCPG.aspx?TeamID=8&dt=052708

[Bron Yr Aur]

Hes adapting a lot slower than pitchers are adapting to him. I like how i am the ony one using stats and i am the moron :rolleyes.

Like I said...

...Especially considering he's drawn more walks than anybody on the team and has a .300 average....

When I say he has more walks than anybody on the team, that's 33 walks. That's a stat.

I saw your stats on Fukudome in May. Yeah...and? The last couple of weeks he's been in a big slump, but that kind of thing happens to everybody. If he doesn't get it going again in the next week or so that'll be cause for a bit of worry, but the guy is a solid hitter and he has shown it all year. I don't think that if you've seen the guy play day in and day out you can think it's going to be a huge issue.

Why don't you take a look at Derek Lee's stats during the month of May? .234 avg/.274 obp

In the last week or so he's starting to break out of the slump, but you have said nothing about how bad D.Lee has been.

[Bron Yr Aur]

i agree wth you clay he has gotten on base well but his power is not exactly what i thought and he is not the ichiro/matsui hybrid that we were lead to believe he was. He might be an Iwamura/Ichiro hybrid. But i dont see his power being much more than 8-10 HR... He is ideal for the leadoff or second hole.


You know, it's very unusual that he hasn't hit more home runs, because I believe he hit something like 30 homers last year in Japan, so that's very weird. I would have to guess that as it starts getting warmer, he's going to hit for more and more power.

[gocubsgo3822]

Like I said...



When I say he has more walks than anybody on the team, that's 33 walks. That's a stat.

I saw your stats on Fukudome in May. Yeah...and? The last couple of weeks he's been in a big slump, but that kind of thing happens to everybody. If he doesn't get it going again in the next week or so that'll be cause for a bit of worry, but the guy is a solid hitter and he has shown it all year. I don't think that if you've seen the guy play day in and day out you can think it's going to be a huge issue.

Why don't you take a look at Derek Lee's stats during the month of May? .234 avg/.274 obp

In the last week or so he's starting to break out of the slump, but you have said nothing about how bad D.Lee has been.

i just think it ridiculous all of the love that goes for Dome and none for Soriano around here.... At least D lee has driven the ball with some authority

[gocubsgo3822]

You know, it's very unusual that he hasn't hit more home runs, because I believe he hit something like 30 homers last year in Japan, so that's very weird. I would have to guess that as it starts getting warmer, he's going to hit for more and more power.

He hit 13-16 i believe last year but he was injured.... I hope you are right!! :thumbsup:thumbsup THat would solve our need for a lefty power bat.

think he should bat second to be honest

[clayj41]

i just think it ridiculous all of the love that goes for Dome and none for Soriano around here.... At least D lee has driven the ball with some authority

I don't mind Fonzie. He's just so inconsistent and not a great outfielder. I don't see why fans are so homerun happy these days.

[Bluecow2]

Fukudome is on pace for 100+ runs, has an OBP of .406.

As long as Lee, Aram and Soriano do what they are capable of, Fuku is more than we could have hoped for. It's still early, and he'll have his slumps, and the lack of power is a concern, but to imply he's worthless or not meeting expectations is, hmm, incorrect.

[Bron Yr Aur]

i just think it ridiculous all of the love that goes for Dome and none for Soriano around here.... At least D lee has driven the ball with some authority

Well, I've never been a big Soriano hater, and I think he's an integral piece to the ballclub. But his defense since his return from the DL this month has been a bit....curious, and that's why people hate on him. And it's a bit worrying the way he's been running lately. When they had the runners moving and he was on first when Fontenot hit that weak grounder scoring the tying run, he seemed to be moving very slowly.

Also, as to D. Lee. C'mon, driven the ball with some authority? He's been hitting A LOT of lazy fly balls. In May, he's got 13 RBI's to Fukudome's 9 RBI's. So they've both been bad with runners on.

He hit 13-16 i believe last year but he was injured.... I hope you are right!! :thumbsup:thumbsup THat would solve our need for a lefty power bat.

think he should bat second to be honest

I'll agree with this. There's no way you upset the delicate balance that is Soriano's hitting by moving him off the leadoff spot. I for one expect no less than 2 more leadoff home runs this homestand. ;)

[UCFish]

Fukudome is on pace for 100+ runs, has an OBP of .406.

As long as Lee, Aram and Soriano do what they are capable of, Fuku is more than we could have hoped for. It's still early, and he'll have his slumps, and the lack of power is a concern, but to imply he's worthless or not meeting expectations is, hmm, incorrect.



Bluecow from Nancies??

I used to love talking Cubs with you if that is you.

[UCFish]

Well, I've never been a big Soriano hater, and I think he's an integral piece to the ballclub. But his defense since his return from the DL this month has been a bit....curious, and that's why people hate on him. And it's a bit worrying the way he's been running lately. When they had the runners moving and he was on first when Fontenot hit that weak grounder scoring the tying run, he seemed to be moving very slowly.

Also, as to D. Lee. C'mon, driven the ball with some authority? He's been hitting A LOT of lazy fly balls. In May, he's got 13 RBI's to Fukudome's 9 RBI's. So they've both been bad with runners on.



I'll agree with this. There's no way you upset the delicate balance that is Soriano's hitting by moving him off the leadoff spot. I for one expect no less than 2 more leadoff home runs this homestand. ;)

Two more would be great. I just it to carry on to the road series.

[gocubsgo3822]

Well, I've never been a big Soriano hater, and I think he's an integral piece to the ballclub. But his defense since his return from the DL this month has been a bit....curious, and that's why people hate on him. And it's a bit worrying the way he's been running lately. When they had the runners moving and he was on first when Fontenot hit that weak grounder scoring the tying run, he seemed to be moving very slowly.

Also, as to D. Lee. C'mon, driven the ball with some authority? He's been hitting A LOT of lazy fly balls. In May, he's got 13 RBI's to Fukudome's 9 RBI's. So they've both been bad with runners on.



I'll agree with this. There's no way you upset the delicate balance that is Soriano's hitting by moving him off the leadoff spot. I for one expect no less than 2 more leadoff home runs this homestand. ;)

:thumbsup:thumbsup

Good night Cubs fans i have to be up by 10 tomorrow to drink liquor in class.

Lets break out the brooms. WIll talk to yall in the afternoon tomorrow

[UCFish]

Cubs!!!

[UCFish]

And with this I have....

[UCFish]

The most posts in the Cubs Thread

Night Cubs fans.

[Bluecow2]

Bluecow from Nancies??

I used to love talking Cubs with you if that is you.
That's me.
I think the last Cubs post on Nancies was in 2005. (Slight exageration)

Aside from the awful defense by Soriano, the .319 OBP is awful for a leadoff hitter. If he doesn't hit for power, he isn't providing much spark.

Theriot's value is underrated tis year. While both Soriano and Lee went through extended slumps, he has been hitting for average consistantly, setting the tables where others have not.

I still remain concerned about our pitching. I'm not liking what I'm seeing from Lilly, and I can't believe Dempster can keep this up all year injury free. We need to start breaking away from the pack in the division soon.

[DMBZeppelin]

WOOO! I was at the Cubs game tonight. It was so frickin' cold, but worth it in the end. It was weird seeing Wood closing in person.

[DMBZeppelin]

And with this I have....

The most posts in the Cubs Thread

Night Cubs fans.
What a cheap post to break the record on, but ya you do have a lot. I'm only 4th with 570, but no where near your 878. I still trump all in the Bears thread.

[DMBZeppelin]

Ward, who said his first BP since going on the disabled list with a bulging disc went fine, is eligible to return from the DL on Thursday but likely will need at least several more days, if not a rehab assignment into next week.

Barring another injury somewhere, the looming return of Ward sets the stage for a showdown between rookie Micah Hoffpauir, who has gone 4-for-10 with a walk in limited time since replacing Ward on the active roster, and Edmonds, who is only 3-for-24 since signing as a free agent two weeks ago after being released by the San Diego Padres.

[saygdbye4134]

great game last night. every pitch from the 7th on was great.

marmol better not ever be on a trading block.

and jon, you sure you sure fuk isn't worth the money?

[Tiduwho]

The most posts in the Cubs Thread

Night Cubs fans.

Hey, I went to bed at 10:00pm. Padding stats is for cheapskates. :monkey



It's like hitting a grand slam, but you were throwing the ball up in the air to yourself in order to hit it.

[HolyCow]

How do you check the list of posts for a thread?

[41ravens]

How do you check the list of posts for a thread?

on the main page for each forum (the tailgate, 24um) there is a column that shows you how many replies the thread has. click on that number and a little box will pop up.

[saygdbye4134]

on the main page for each forum (the tailgate, 24um) there is a column that shows you how many replies the thread has. click on that number and a little box will pop up.


mod wannabe.

[41ravens]

mod wannabe.

if i was a mod, i would clean up a lot of the riff raff around here. starting with you.

[darbini]

Fukudome hit 13 homeruns last year in 81 games with a .294 avg. Everyone keeps on saying that he isn't worth/is worth 12 million a year, but I thought he was only making $7-8 million this year, would that change some of ya'lls minds? He ranks 6th in the NL in walks(32), 10th in OBP(.406), is hitting .301 and is 3rd on the team behind Lee and Aramis in runs(32) and hits(55). He's 4th in runs created. He's also 2nd on the team in stolen bases. I think he's worth whatever money the Cubs want to pay him, just as is every other player on the team right now because we are 10 games over .500 holy shit.

Edit: 7 guys are making more money than Fukudome this year, he is only making 7 million. I don't know where the 12 million is coming from but oh well, maybe I'm missing something.
Team: http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/teams/roster?team=chc
Fukudome: http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?playerId=28948

[davehead86]

Shit. Marmol needs a huge pay jump. And Soriano needs a pay cut. And 16 mil seems to be a lot of money for Zamrano, but I think anything over a couple mil for any players salery is a little crazy.

[UCFish]

Agreed that Marmol needs a pay jump.

He has been lights out all year.

[gocubsgo3822]

i will be number one in two months or so hopefully :)

[devilandthelord]

Got Z going tonight, and feeling good about the sweep.

Quick poll, which I thought of when reading an espn.com article about old players who still wanna play and are getting little to no interest.

Who would you rather have on the team right now?

Jim Edmonds
or
Kenny Lofton?

[UCFish]

Lofton

[gocubsgo3822]

Got Z going tonight, and feeling good about the sweep.

Quick poll, which I thought of when reading an espn.com article about old players who still wanna play and are getting little to no interest.

Who would you rather have on the team right now?

Jim Edmonds
or
Kenny Lofton?


jsut read that also.. I really think its not long till Kenyn is a cub with Pie sucking to high hell in AAA... I wouldnt mind Kenny but he is notoriously selfish. But he did well in 2003....

How about that Jay Bruce fella last nght. Unbelieveable.

[DMBtheStoned]

Lofton for sure. I mentioned this a couple weeks ago when we signed Edmonds....I can't believe we took Edmonds over Lofton.

[gocubsgo3822]

last year keeny hit .296 in 136 games with 23 steals... Interesting. I think i would release edmonds after tonight if he does shit and sign kenny or recall felix and let him catch the ball

[gocubsgo3822]

last year keeny hit .296 in 136 games with 23 steals... Interesting. I think i would release edmonds after tonight if he does shit and sign kenny or recall felix and let him catch the ball. It reall seemed like he was starting to do better when we sent him to AAA

[gocubsgo3822]

my b on the double post.. fucking computers

[gocubsgo3822]

All Star Voting update

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/7778/NL_All-Star_Balloting_Update__1_052808.pdf

Geo Dome and Soriano are all in the lead!!!!!!

Derek Lee is in third same for Ramirez and DeRosa... THeriot is in 4th but could easily with enough voting win the spot.

Soriano is the OF leader Dome is second.

Soto is beating McCnn by over 100,000 votes.

Time to go vote.

-Grandslam

[gocubsgo3822]

I just voted 25 times.. Everyone should be as dedicated and unproductive with their days as me..

Dome, Soriano, Bruce, Scrappy, D-RO, Lee, Ramirez, and Soto all got votes....

be a good cub fan... vote!!!!

[devilandthelord]

All Kenny Lofton has done over the last 3 years is bat an average of .310 and steal an average of 26 bases a year, and still plays good outfield.
Why would we not want that kind of production right now?

He may be 40, but he played great for the Indians last year, and has still got the skills.

[UCFish]

Sold me lets get Edmonds out of here and sign Lofton up.

[gocubsgo3822]

vote or die bitch

[devilandthelord]

Sorry man, the only Cub I could vote for was Geo, and that's getting tough too, with him cooling off a bit and Brian McCann doing his thing.

[clayj41]

I just voted 25 times.. Everyone should be as dedicated and unproductive with their days as me..

Dome, Soriano, Bruce, Scrappy, D-RO, Lee, Ramirez, and Soto all got votes....

be a good cub fan... vote!!!!

I vote for who I think deserves to make it. If I'm torn, I'll give the edge to a Cubbie.

[devilandthelord]

I vote for who I think deserves to make it. If I'm torn, I'll give the edge to a Cubbie.

:thumbsup , I was torn, so I gave the edge to Soto in my vote, plus I give him extra props for doing all this as a rook.

[devilandthelord]

Here was my ballot from just now that I posted in the MLB thread.

AL

C- Joe Mauer, Twins
1B- Justin Morneau, Twins
2B- Ian Kinsler, Rangers
3B- Alex Rodriguez, Yankees (Yes I know he missed a lot of time, but there is no other 3B in the AL having a great year and he is head and shoulders better than all of them.)
SS- Derek Jeter, Yankees
OF- Josh Hamilton, Rangers (Continues to be my favorite non-Cub player)
OF- Magglio Ordonez, Tigers
OF-
DH- David Ortiz, Red Sox
Write-In- Carlos Quentin, White Sox (I'm glad to see you remembered to write him in as well, Lewis)

NL

C- Geovany Soto, Cubs
1B- Lance Berkman, Astros (his power numbers and average speak for themselves, but when the hell did he become a basestealer too? He's got 10 already this year!)
2B- Chase Utley, Phillies
3B- Larry Jones, Braves
SS- Miguel Tejada, Astros
OF- Carlos Lee, Astros
OF- Nate McLouth, Pirates
OF- Jim Edmonds, Cubs

If they had a DH- Albert Pujols, Cardinals

AL Starting Pitcher- Cliff Lee, Indians
NL Starting Pitcher- Edinson Volquez, Reds








Hahaha, just kidding about the Edmonds thing obviously. I voted for Xavier Nady in that last OF spot.

[gocubsgo3822]

well i guess you are more objective than i am when it comes to all star voting.

[devilandthelord]

LOL at Pie being on the ballot.

[clayj41]

well i guess you are more objective than i am when it comes to all star voting.

I try to be as objective as possible. :)

[DMBtheStoned]

Who is your favorite all-time Cub?

Mine is Turk Wendell

[devilandthelord]

Who is your favorite all-time Cub?

Mine is Turk Wendell

Tuffy Rhodes.

[clayj41]

AL:

C-Victor Martinez
1B-Justin Morneau
2B-Ian Kinsler
3B-Alex Rodriguez
SS-Michael Young
OF-Josh Hamilton
OF-Carlos Quentin
OF-Manny Ramirez
DH-David Ortiz

NL:

C-Geovany Soto
1B-Lance Berkman
2B-Chase Utley
3B-Chipper Jones
SS-Miguel Tejada
OF-Nate McLouth
OF-Ryan Braun
OF-Ryan Ludwick

[DMBtheStoned]

Tuffy Rhodes.

I remember him! Didn't he hit 3 homeruns on opening day one year?

[clayj41]

Who is your favorite all-time Cub?

Mine is Turk Wendell

Ryno.

[DMBtheStoned]

AL:
Catcher - Dioner Navvaro
1B - Carlos Pena
2B - Aki Imamora
3B - Evan Longoria
SS - Jason Bartlett
LF - Carl Crawford
CF- BJ Upton
RF - Eric Hinske
DH - Cliff Floyd

NL
Catcher - Geo Soto
1B - D Lee
2b - Fontenot
3B - A-Ram
SS - The Riot
LF - Soriano
CF - Jim Edmonds
RF - Fuk

[devilandthelord]

I remember him! Didn't he hit 3 homeruns on opening day one year?

Yeah, and then he barely did anything else in the Bigs, and proceeded to go to Japan and become a home run juggernaut over there.


For real though, and I am saddened by this, my favorite Cub was Mark Prior before all his injury troubles.
He coulda been great, and I loved the way he pitched. :(

[DMBtheStoned]

Ryno.


I was a big Ryno and Gracie Fan.

[devilandthelord]

AL:
Catcher - Dioner Navvaro
1B - Carlos Pena
2B - Aki Imamora
3B - Evan Longoria
SS - Jason Bartlett
LF - Carl Crawford
CF- BJ Upton
RF - Eric Hinske
DH - Cliff Floyd

NL
Catcher - Geo Soto
1B - D Lee
2b - Fontenot
3B - A-Ram
SS - The Riot
LF - Soriano
CF - Jim Edmonds
RF - Fuk

:twenty4 I was looking at that at first like WTF? And then I realized they were all Rays.
:lol

I almost voted for Longoria, but went for ARod instead.
3B in the American League is a horrible category this year.

[gocubsgo3822]

Yeah, and then he barely did anything else in the Bigs, and proceeded to go to Japan and become a home run juggernaut over there.


For real though, and I am saddened by this, my favorite Cub was Mark Prior before all his injury troubles.
He coulda been great, and I loved the way he pitched. :(

:thumbsup:thumbsup I was devestated when he couldnt stay healthy. I really thought we had a hall of fame dominant pitcher. DOwn the stretch in 2003 he was the best pitcher in baseball...

In the second half 11 starts for a 10-1 record... 1.52 ERA... 95 K-16 BB
with a WHIp of just over 1... Amazing

My favorite since 2004 has been Z.. It started when he drilled Edmonds after he watched a homerun for a lil too long

[devilandthelord]

:thumbsup:thumbsup I was devestated when he couldnt stay healthy. I really thought we had a hall of fame dominant pitcher. DOwn the stretch in 2003 he was the best pitcher in baseball...

In the second half 11 starts for a 10-1 record... 1.52 ERA... 95 K-16 BB
with a WHIp of just over 1... Amazing

My favorite since 2004 has been Z.. It started when he drilled Edmonds after he watched a homerun for a lil too long

I agree with all of that. He had great movement on all his pitches.
A fastball in the mid to high 90s that dipped, a 2-seamer in the 90s that fell off the table and made guys look silly, a nasty 12-6 curveball, his mechanics were perfect, he had stamina, his composure was great.
Damn.

Its enough to make a guy wanna cry that thats all gone now.

[HolyCow]

My three favorite Cubs:

1. Ryno
2. Kerry Wood
3. Mark Grace

[UCFish]

Mark Grace

[JaJunk]

Ron Santo

[devilandthelord]

Ron Santo

I love Ronny too.
I was on the phone with my dad the other day and I said something to him about Ron and he said "You mean that guy they are slowly chopping into pieces?"
Oh! Low blow Dad.

[Bluecow2]

Favorite Player: Ryno
I must say, I liked Sosa too. He made watching the Cubs bearable during the bad years in the 90's. Sad to see how he invited his demise

Lofton discussion: We picked up Edmonds for a few bucks with the specific hope of getting some power from the left side. It's not working, and the experiment needs to end soon, but I would rather Pie or even Johnson full time over Lofton at this point.

All Star Game: I still can't stand the voting process for the all-star game. What's the point of allowing us to vote 25 times per day or whatever it is? It's a popularity contest based on the size of the market and name recognition based on previous years stats. I fill out one or two ballots every year with the people who deserve to be there...and that's that.

As of today, I think Marmol, Z and Dempster should be invited...with Soto being a coaches selection if he takes 3 catchers. Lee is just at a killer position in the NL. I don't see how he can jump ahead of either Berkman or Pujols. Fuku would make a nice story, but he's not an all-star as of today.

[Bluecow2]

Do you all have any favorite Cubs Blogs?
Mine, by far, is www.TheCubReporter.com (http://www.TheCubReporter.com)
Great, intelligent basebnall minds run the site with spectacular coverage of the minors by someone who goes to basically all the Arizona Fall LEague and Extended Spring Training games, and by a resident doctor who posts detailed information explaining various injuries.

They also have an in-game chat that is always fun and filled with heavy testosterone when 30 of us think we make better managers than Lou.

[TapNorris]

I like www.bleedcubbieblue.com

[clayj41]

I agree with all of that. He had great movement on all his pitches.
A fastball in the mid to high 90s that dipped, a 2-seamer in the 90s that fell off the table and made guys look silly, a nasty 12-6 curveball, his mechanics were perfect, he had stamina, his composure was great.
Damn.

Its enough to make a guy wanna cry that thats all gone now.

Prior was my favorite player during that 2003 run. :(

[Bluecow2]

I like www.bleedcubbieblue.com (http://www.bleedcubbieblue.com)
I remember that from a bit back, haven't looked at it recently. Thanks.
3 DPs in 3 half innings so far...a storybook game for two sinker ball throwers.

[Robby1870]

Well I was hoping to watch the game on WGN tonight, but here, the picture and sound "skips" every 5 or so seconds. So I'm forced to ESPN2. Although, Boomer and Sutt are probably 2 of ESPN's best.

[devilandthelord]

Well I was hoping to watch the game on WGN tonight, but here, the picture and sound "skips" every 5 or so seconds. So I'm forced to ESPN2. Although, Boomer and Sutt are probably 2 of ESPN's best.

As in Chris Berman?

:freak , I can't stand that guy.

And Suttcliffe's better when he's drunk.

[UCFish]

I think Z might kill the home plate ump if he does not start calling corner strikes.

[Robby1870]

As in Chris Berman?

:freak , I can't stand that guy.

And Suttcliffe's better when he's drunk.

Berman's not bad, I don't think. Better than John Miller/Joe Morgan. But, to each his own.

I agree the strike zone is a little tight tonight.

[devilandthelord]

Can we put up some fucking runs on Derek Lowe!?!

This isn't 1999.
He isn't good anymore!

[JaJunk]

Where did our bats go this series?

[devilandthelord]

C'mon Fuk!
2 Men on!
Lets do it baby!

[UCFish]

Tie Game!!!!

[UCFish]

Come on Derosa.

[neumdogg]

Fucking Saito!

[devilandthelord]

Tie Game!!!

Come on Cubs, do it right here, right now!

[UCFish]

Damn it.

[devilandthelord]

Crap.
Well Bonus baseball Cubs fans.

Gotta get another one in extra innings.

Get Marmol out there!

[MPizzle06]

Crap.
Well Bonus baseball Cubs fans.

Gotta get another one in extra innings.

Get Marmol out there!

:thumbsup:thumbsup

[devilandthelord]

Aw crap!

Howry.

C'mon Bobby, earn your keep.
Give us a chance!

[devilandthelord]

Russell Martin, you are on my fantasy team.
I command you NOT to get any kind of hit!

[devilandthelord]

Thank you Russell, now continue raking after this game.

[devilandthelord]

Good job, Howry.

You may live.

[devilandthelord]

SWEEEEEEEEEEEEEP!!!!!!

Cubs Win!!!

[Robby1870]

Fonzie!

[MPizzle06]

Cubs Win! Cubs Win! Cubs Win!!!

break out the brooms and start Sweeeping!!!! :hump

[UCFish]

CUBS WIN!!!!!!

Soriano with the big hit.

He is temporarily off of my shit list.

SWEEP!

[gocubsgo3822]

I really think something special is going on here.

CUBS WIN!!!!!!!!! CUBS WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Sweep!!!!!!!!!!!

Now we get the Holliday and Hawpe or Atkins ANd Tulowitzki less Rockies this weekend!!!!!!!!! THey also just got swept.....

Go Cubs Go Go CUbs go... Hey CHicago what do you say!!!!!!

I am ecstatic.. Way to battle all game boys!!!!!!!

[TapNorris]

Huge win!!! Huge Sweep!!! We've forgotten what happened over the weekend and now it's time to piss pound the rocks!!

[Bron Yr Aur]

Great work Cubs! The great thing about this team is that they never give up and you know they can always come from behind. However, they were really missing a lot of great pitches to hit in the bottom of the 9th.

3 ER last 3 games, the pitching has been great lately. Hopefully we can start swinging the bats a bit better against Colorado.

[devilandthelord]

I nominate this team's theme song this year to be Kanye West's "Can't Tell Me Nuthin" cuz they are a resilient bunch of motherfuckers!

[gocubsgo3822]

i am so pumped... In other news

Blackhawks and Red Wings at Wrigley January 1st

[devilandthelord]

i am so pumped... In other news

Blackhawks and Red Wings at Wrigley January 1st

Thats cool.
I wouldn't mind seeing that.

[UCFish]

Have not heard that.

[Tiduwho]

Favorite Cubs:

1. Kerry Wood
2. Derrek Lee
3. Kyle Farnsworthless (Just because he pounded the crap out of guys!)

[gocubsgo3822]

Pitchers for this weekend

Francis v. Marquis
Cook v. Lilly
Unannounced v. Dempster
Jimenez v. Gallagher

[bothedmbfan]

Why does Marquis have a job...anyone? Anyone?

[gocubsgo3822]

good question Bo... I think he is on a very short leash though... I just dont know what to do with him

[Tiduwho]

To lose even a single game to the comically bad Rockies would be an embarassment.

[HolyCow]

Great win. One of the funnest games this year. So intense.

And I could see us reeling off 7 in a row here with the crappy Rockies coming to town.

[gocubsgo3822]

that would be awesome.... I just want 3-4 from the Rox but would love more

[bothedmbfan]

Rockies have fallen on hard times.

[gocubsgo3822]

Scouting reports from today

Z (http://chicagosports.inside-edge.com/cubsPRCPG.aspx?TeamID=8&dt=052808)

hitting (http://chicagosports.inside-edge.com/cubsHRCPG.aspx?TeamID=8&dt=052808)

very good reads

[clayj41]

I love this team!!! :hump

[gocubsgo3822]

Z didnt have his best stuff tonight but was still a horse for 130 pitches and got a lot of double plays and ground balls. I will say that i thought he got squeezed a lil by the ump but what he showed me is that he knows how to battle.

In years past a lot of those innings 3 or four would have scored becuase he would have lost concentration. Z is a hell of a pitcher and i think one that will win the CY young. He doesnt let his emotions control him anymore

[DMBZeppelin]

i am so pumped... In other news

Blackhawks and Red Wings at Wrigley January 1st
I'm going to do everything I can to get a ticket, but I googled it and it's mostly on message boards. CSN is listed as the source of this info.

[bothedmbfan]

Cubs are looking real good to keep the division, and maybe be da #1 seed in the playoffs.

[Sou1 So1di3r]

Cubs got reallllly lucky tonight, that's all I have to say.


They need to play better.

[clayj41]

Cubs got reallllly lucky tonight, that's all I have to say.


They need to play better.

They only have the second best record in baseball. :rolleyes


I'd rather they win ugly than lose pretty.

[Sou1 So1di3r]

They only have the second best record in baseball. :rolleyes


I'd rather they win ugly than lose pretty.

Well yeah, but always getting lucky isn't going to cut it.

[DMBZeppelin]

Well yeah, but always getting lucky isn't going to cut it.
Luck is something that happens by chance. You don't CONSISTENTLY win by being lucky. You do that by being good. They're tied for the best record in baseball. They're 1st in the ENTIRE majors with 296 runs scored. They're 6th in the majors ERA wise, and 2nd in the NL ERA wise. They are also the only team in baseball to not have a 3+ game losing streak. I mean that right there almost boggles the mind.

They even have national recongition for being good. ESPN.com has them 1st in their power rankings. That's saying a lot for a website/network that's biast towards East Coast teams. How many teams have 6 and 7 hitters like Soto and DeRosa? This team is VERY good, and just wait till they get hot again.

[DMBZeppelin]

Z didnt have his best stuff tonight but was still a horse for 130 pitches and got a lot of double plays and ground balls. I will say that i thought he got squeezed a lil by the ump but what he showed me is that he knows how to battle.

In years past a lot of those innings 3 or four would have scored becuase he would have lost concentration. Z is a hell of a pitcher and i think one that will win the CY young. He doesnt let his emotions control him anymore
Anytime your ace doesn't have his best stuff, goes 8 innings, and only gives up a run. You have to win those sort of games, and the Cubs with some great at bats late really pulled through.

I just realized we're 32-21, 11 games over .500 is that a season high? I know we've been at 10 before.

[TapNorris]

Anytime your ace doesn't have his best stuff, goes 8 innings, and only gives up a run. You have to win those sort of games, and the Cubs with some great at bats late really pulled through.

I just realized we're 32-21, 11 games over .500 is that a season high? I know we've been at 10 before.

If I'm not mistaken I think we hit the 11 game mark right before the debacle in Pittsburgh over the weekend. It's good to be back right before the rocks...if that number could be 15 after the weekend I might just explode with happiness!! :lol

[HolyCow]

Winning last night is a big deal because we beat a guy that threw as good as he possibly could in Derek Lowe. Lowe pitched 7 strong and we did what we had to win. Stay in the game until we get a chance. And that's what happened.

I'm very pleased with last night.

[MPizzle06]

Winning last night is a big deal because we beat a guy that threw as good as he possibly could in Derek Lowe. Lowe pitched 7 strong and we did what we had to win. Stay in the game until we get a chance. And that's what happened.

I'm very pleased with last night.

:thumbsup:thumbsup







but still, Derek Lowe is not Brandon Webb :shrug. Fucking D'Backs...(and yes I'm getting ahead of myself thinking about playoff matchups)

[Tiduwho]

I'd love to get even with the blasted Marlins if they hang around until October....

[gocubsgo3822]

that would be amazing

[UCFish]

I'd love to get even with the blasted Marlins if they hang around until October....

Well luckily next year is there every 6 years win it all year.

Although I would love to take it to them.

Haven't they beat us 11 straight at home or something disgusting like that.

[gocubsgo3822]

i thik you are right pegasus.. its something absurd...

Good news after the rockies we get the padres!!!!!!!!

[darbini]

I feel better about Marquis pitching tonight only because he's going against Francis, I like our bats against his arm than their bats against Marquis, just barely.

[Bron Yr Aur]

Well yeah, but always getting lucky isn't going to cut it.

Read and learn...

Winning last night is a big deal because we beat a guy that threw as good as he possibly could in Derek Lowe. Lowe pitched 7 strong and we did what we had to win. Stay in the game until we get a chance. And that's what happened.

I'm very pleased with last night.

Exactly. Great pitching almost always beats good hitting. The Dodgers have a solid pitching staff, and you have to really credit the Cubs for giving up only 3 runs the entire series.

And about getting lucky always....give me a break. Did we get lucky last weekend when Soriano lost a ball in the sun on what should've been the last out of the game? That was some real bad luck there, and as for last night, luck had nothing to do with it. We just went up against some great pitching and when we finally got a chance, capitalized.

[gocubsgo3822]

Read and learn...



Exactly. Great pitching almost always beats good hitting. The Dodgers have a solid pitching staff, and you have to really credit the Cubs for giving up only 3 runs the entire series.

And about getting lucky always....give me a break. Did we get lucky last weekend when Soriano lost a ball in the sun on what should've been the last out of the game? That was some real bad luck there, and as for last night, luck had nothing to do with it. We just went up against some great pitching and when we finally got a chance, capitalized.

:thumbsup:thumbsup

[gocubsgo3822]

What do yall think about the racist Dome shirts that are being sold and the CUbs response?

[Bron Yr Aur]

What do yall think about the racist Dome shirts that are being sold and the CUbs response?

What is the Cubs response?

Honestly, I think the shirts and bandanas/headbands/whatever are pretty stupid and really just show the typical American ignorance and belief in stereotypes. Is it racist or really offensive? Probably not, but you'd have to ask someone like Kosuke about that.

Also, I'm really hoping for the offense to really break out tonight. Be nice to put up 10+ runs to support Marquis.

[gocubsgo3822]

What is the Cubs response?

Honestly, I think the shirts and bandanas/headbands/whatever are pretty stupid and really just show the typical American ignorance and belief in stereotypes. Is it racist or really offensive? Probably not, but you'd have to ask someone like Kosuke about that.

Also, I'm really hoping for the offense to really break out tonight. Be nice to put up 10+ runs to support Marquis.

Here is the Cubs actions.

http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/cs-080528-kosuke-fukudome-t-shirt-chicago-cubs,1,4010250.story


I would read that then read my response belo after reading the link


















M two cents

That being said as long as they can use the bear legally which they might be able to because of the cow it might be legal based on the first amendment. While I think that is stupid and wrong free speech is something that i dont like abridging in any way no matter how repugnant. Now if any of the vendors decide to step on Cubs property arrest them for trespassing. Another remedy might be to push for the city to strip their licenses so that they cant sell that garbage.
I hope this is resolved but i fundamentally believe no matter how abhorrent the shirts are they have a legal right to sell them as long as they arent doing it on CUbs property and are doing it with a license.

[gocubsgo3822]

In other news.... Neal Cotts was recalled from Iowa and Jose Ascanio was sent down... interesting. I thought Ascanio did alright. Lou must have wanted another lefty... WHile COtts sucked last year he has had phenomenal AAA numbers this year @ Iowa

27 innins Pitched... 2.00 ERA.....33 K 10 BB.... 23 Hits allowed.... 3 saves in 19 games..

[Tiduwho]

Cotts has sucked in the bigs for 3 years now...let's hope he turns it around.


I thought Ascanio had been doing pretty well.

[gocubsgo3822]

Cotts has sucked in the bigs for 3 years now...let's hope he turns it around.


I thought Ascanio had been doing pretty well.

me too Pitched a big ninth for us last night. If he gives up a run game over

[Bron Yr Aur]

In other news.... Neal Cotts was recalled from Iowa and Jose Ascanio was sent down... interesting. I thought Ascanio did alright. Lou must have wanted another lefty... WHile COtts sucked last year he has had phenomenal AAA numbers this year @ Iowa

27 innins Pitched... 2.00 ERA.....33 K 10 BB.... 23 Hits allowed.... 3 saves in 19 games..

Cotts has sucked in the bigs for 3 years now...let's hope he turns it around.


I thought Ascanio had been doing pretty well.

Yeah, this is a weird move IMO. Those numbers are pretty darn good, though.

As for the t-shirt thing, I think it's stupid that they wouldn't allow them to sell the shirt. I agree with you about first amendment rights. In my opinion, they should be allowed to sell the shirts as much as they'd like, but if the Cubs organization doesn't like it, just don't let anybody wearing the shirt into the park.