Chicago Cubs

[Sou1 So1di3r]

Cubzzzzz

[bothedmbfan]

????????

Wayans Bros. opening theme song. I just found out they're making a movie for it. I am happy.

[gocubsgo3822]

nice they are funny

[gocubsgo3822]

owner of bleed cubbie blue has a post today 3500 words of what he thinks our offseason will be like.... anyone interested in jeremy hermida

[MPizzle06]

cubs

[DMBZeppelin]

We have a rich hill sighting....

http://rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=MLB&filter_teams=CHC&id=4190

"Rich Hill surrendered two runs and four hits in 5 1/3 innings for Aragua of the VWL on Friday.

Hill, who is looking to put a disastrous 2008 behind him, struck out six and walked none in his debut in Venezuela. It's a very encouraging start as he tries to rebuild his stock and put himself in position to claim a rotation spot next spring."

Good news reupping Jimbo
I hope Rich Hill pitches his ass off and gets his stock hot as can be. Then use him in a trade for Peavy.

[gocubsgo3822]

mlb trade rumors says that the cardinals have backed down and it looks like it is us the dodgers and the braves...

I really dont think we have what they need ttohugh...

[TapNorris]

Maybe they want Edmonds back? :D

[gocubsgo3822]

:lol

[DMBZeppelin]

mlb trade rumors says that the cardinals have backed down and it looks like it is us the dodgers and the braves...

I really dont think we have what they need ttohugh...
Um we have lots of talent. Just depends how much we're willing to give up. Another intereting thing they were talking about, has any farm system produced more current MLB pitchers then the Cubs?

[gocubsgo3822]

Zep would you do Vitters Samardzija Pie and Ceda

[gocubsgo3822]

BTW i dont think we have a chance for peavy if the braves offer jayson heyward or the dodgers start with matt kemp or the brewers hardy and jeffers

[gocubsgo3822]

doesnt look like we are going to bring woody back

""We're going to get our plan together, and we'll try to move forward with what we think is best for the organization," Hendry said. "Kerry has done a terrific job in the closing role. But at the same time, there's a lot of conversations that have to happen with his representatives and him as to what his desires are and what type of contract he's looking for.""

[HolyCow]

doesnt look like we are going to bring woody back

""We're going to get our plan together, and we'll try to move forward with what we think is best for the organization," Hendry said. "Kerry has done a terrific job in the closing role. But at the same time, there's a lot of conversations that have to happen with his representatives and him as to what his desires are and what type of contract he's looking for.""
I will be pissed. VERY pissed.

[crashintonickdm]

the fuck?

you're from illinois.

[gocubsgo3822]

"We feel Felix is going to be a good player," Hendry said. "You're talking about a 23-year-old kid. He'll be an out-of-options player. Without any kind of injury or significant change, he'll have a very good chance to make the ballclub out of Spring Training."

[gocubsgo3822]

I will be pissed. VERY pissed.

me too i am actually kind of sad about it....

[JaJunk]

the fuck?

you're from illinois.

Illinois is a big state. I could spit into Kentucky bluegrass from my home in extreme Southern Illinois growing up. You can still visit a slavehouse and most of our residents fought for the confederacy. And why are you still here?

[JaJunk]

me too i am actually kind of sad about it....
Kerry symbolizes everything good about the organization. He will always be a Cub in my eyes.

[gocubsgo3822]

Illinois is a big state. I could spit into Kentucky bluegrass from my home in extreme Southern Illinois growing up. You can still visit a slavehouse and most of our residents fought for the confederacy. And why are you still here?


:thumbsup:thumbsup:thumbsup:thumbsup

[crashintonickdm]

Illinois is a big state. I could spit into Kentucky bluegrass from my home in extreme Southern Illinois growing up. You can still visit a slavehouse and most of our residents fought for the confederacy. And why are you still here?

that flag represents being a traitor.

[JaJunk]

that flag represents being a traitor.
I bet England sees our current flag the same way. Come visit Dixie. She'll seduce you and lull you to sleep. Before you know it, you've got a big white beard drinking moonshine on muggy Summer night.

[crashintonickdm]

I bet England sees our current flag the same way. Come visit Dixie. She'll seduce you and lull you to sleep. Before you know it, you've got a big white beard drinking moonshine on muggy Summer night.

i love civil war history, and most people ive met from the south are nice.

but that flag still rubs me the wrong way.

[JaJunk]

But seriously, stay away from the moonshine. Shit will make you go blind. Ethenol is not meant for ingestion.

[JaJunk]

i love civil war history, and most people ive met from the south are nice.

but that flag still rubs me the wrong way.

It's all about perception. Some see it as a symbol of past pride and heritage, others betrayal and racism.

[gocubsgo3822]

i kind of still want jake peavy

[HolyCow]

Kerry symbolizes everything good about the organization. He will always be a Cub in my eyes.
:thumbsup

My current favorite Cub and in my top 5 all-time. I LOVE Kerry Wood. I want him to retire in Cubbie blue.

[crashintonickdm]

It's all about perception. Some see it as a symbol of past pride and heritage, others betrayal and racism.

its very strange. i see you're from georgia which is a nice state. but if this were 140 years ago. me and you would be trying to kill each other. that almost is surreal to say.

that war was so devastating and so very sad.

[JaJunk]

i kind of still want jake peavy
I'd go anywhere short of shipping Marmol to get him.

[gocubsgo3822]

its very strange. i see you're from georgia which is a nice state. but if this were 140 years ago. me and you would be trying to kill each other. that almost is surreal to say.

that war was so devastating and so very sad.

terrible beginning terrible ending

[gocubsgo3822]

I'd go anywhere short of shipping Marmol to get him.

yea i dont know... i would ship marmol straight up for peavy....

[JaJunk]

yea i dont know... i would ship marmol straight up for peavy....

I've never seen a set up man (likely next years closer) go for a big game starter. I'd go for that too if they would accept.

[devilandthelord]

Why would they possibly do that?

[JaJunk]

Why would they possibly do that?
There isn't a chance.

[bothedmbfan]

If we lose Wood, fuck.

[Sou1 So1di3r]

We'd better not loose wood.

[gocubsgo3822]

wood was far from dominant but he is a cub.....

[JaJunk]

If we were to win the championship without Woody, I'd feel a bit empty.

[funksoul]

I'd go anywhere short of shipping Marmol to get him.

It would take a lot more than Marmol to get Jake Peavy.

[JaJunk]

It would take a lot more than Marmol to get Jake Peavy.
Wasn't I getting at that? I just said i'd stop short of shipping Marmol to get Peavy. We need that stopper in the pen more than a dominant starter, especially if Woody leaves.

[gocubsgo3822]

fucking prior is back in action

mlbtraderumors.com

[DMBZeppelin]

Zep would you do Vitters Samardzija Pie and Ceda
I think that's almost too much, and honestly I'd see if we could add in Veal over Pie. Veal is viewed as someone with a lot of upside. Maybe even right now worth more then Pie. Though Pie has started hitting in the majors, so I'm not sure.

But I do know if we can manage to keep Pie and trade the others. We can resign Johnson cheap. Pie/Johnson in center doesn't cost you much. With Peavy you can let Dempster walk. You don't have to resign Dempster, because the money you'd save from not re-signing Dempster you can now spend on K-Rod, ect. if Wood leaves.

Zambrano, Peavy, Harden, Lilly, and Marshall. There's my 5 man rotation. It's worth giving up a possible franchise bat, and the Shark.

[DMBZeppelin]

Wasn't I getting at that? I just said i'd stop short of shipping Marmol to get Peavy. We need that stopper in the pen more than a dominant starter, especially if Woody leaves.
Ok and Marmol is a very special pen arm. Because when he's on he's almost impossible to hit. While that's fine and dandy. You can replace Marmol a lot easier then finding a Jake Peavy for the rotation.

I disagree about needing another starter. Outside of Zambrano we don't have a proven post season starter. Harden was worn out by October, Dempster sucked, and Lilly sucked last year.

Because lets face it, we're not building for the regular season anymore. Starting pitching is huge in the post season. To even make Marmol relevant we need to get him the ball with the lead.

[funksoul]

I'm not sure the Padres are willing to give up their 27 year old ace for prospects, in a division which is very winnable with a minor turnaround. In fact...I'm not sure the Cubs have what it would take to get Peavy.

Regardless...like Zep said, the Cubs are building what essentially amounts to October rosters now. Jake Peavy has an ERA over 12.00 in the postseason and I believe he lost the playoff (play-in?) game with the Rockies last year. I don't know if that's an anomoly but those are the stats and the facts as they stand today.

[DMBZeppelin]

I'm not sure the Padres are willing to give up their 27 year old ace for prospects, in a division which is very winnable with a minor turnaround. In fact...I'm not sure the Cubs have what it would take to get Peavy.

Regardless...like Zep said, the Cubs are building what essentially amounts to October rosters now. Jake Peavy has an ERA over 12.00 in the postseason and I believe he lost the playoff (play-in?) game with the Rockies last year. I don't know if that's an anomoly but those are the stats and the facts as they stand today.
Just looked, ya he's had one playoff start in 05' and one in 06'. He has a horrible 2006 with a 4.09 ERA in the regular season. Though I do agree that maybe they should look into Peavy more before deciding to trade for him. He has a 4.28 ERA away from Petco this season. That's not promising.

[bothedmbfan]

Just looked, ya he's had one playoff start in 05' and one in 06'. He has a horrible 2006 with a 4.09 ERA in the regular season. Though I do agree that maybe they should look into Peavy more before deciding to trade for him. He has a 4.28 ERA away from Petco this season. That's not promising.

Never get a pitcher from SD, never get a hitter from Colorado. I thought this was common knowledge.

[gocubsgo3822]

i want prior back

[bothedmbfan]

Fucking why?

[Sou1 So1di3r]

Never get a pitcher from SD, never get a hitter from Colorado. I thought this was common knowledge.

Tim Lincecum kicks ass....

[gocubsgo3822]

i just get incredibly depressed when i hear his name or i see some talented young pitcher

come up and dominate… Watching David Price the other night sucked. That was what Mark Prior was supposed to be doing. When Prior was doing what he was doing the second half of 03 i never though i would see a better pitcher again and i would argue that that second half was the most dominating stretch by a cubs pitcher in a long time. (i havent seen one since either). I just miss him. Even if he was an a hole and a stuck up kid so what he was our stuck up kid….

[bothedmbfan]

Tim Lincecum kicks ass....

He's also like, 13 years old.

[bothedmbfan]

And now he's not, thank God.

[devilandthelord]

Prior was a starter though.
Price closed the game.

Ya know what is sad though, is that as nasty as Price looked, Prior still had better stuff.
And now he's gone.

[gocubsgo3822]

i miss him

[bothedmbfan]

Price is going to be a starter though.

[Sou1 So1di3r]

He's also like, 13 years old.

So?

And for the record he is 15

[HolyCow]

Question:

Would you guys rather the Cubs compete and be above .500, win divisions, even take an NLCS to game 7 but never get there, or the year after you die, the Cubs win the World Series, but suck miserably up until then?

[devilandthelord]

Question:

Would you guys rather the Cubs compete and be above .500, win divisions, even take an NLCS to game 7 or the year after you die, the Cubs win the World Series, but suck miserably up until then?

They win the year after I die?
Fuck that! Thats all I wanna see before I die as far as baseball is concerned!
That'd be like God twisting the knife after I'm gone.

[HolyCow]

They win the year after I die?
Fuck that! Thats all I wanna see before I die as far as baseball is concerned!
That'd be like God twisting the knife after I'm gone.
I know. But they would never win it while you're alive. It would suck so much either way.

[devilandthelord]

I know. But they would never win it while you're alive. It would suck so much either way.

So this is not a trade off like that thread about "would you rather your team be perenially good or just win a title once and then suck"?
This is a guarantee that they won't win anyway, but they do after you die?
Yeah I guess I'd be good with that and happy for all the other fans still alive.
But if I knew that in advance, as bad a fan as it may make me sound like, I might stop watching and caring about the Cubs to save myself more heartbreak and frustration before I died.

[DMBZeppelin]

Question:

Would you guys rather the Cubs compete and be above .500, win divisions, even take an NLCS to game 7 but never get there, or the year after you die, the Cubs win the World Series, but suck miserably up until then?
Are you kidding? Any Cubs fan who picks the former needs to quit being a Cubs fan and go root for the Braves. How could any Cubs fan settle for anything less then a championship?

[HolyCow]

Are you kidding? Any Cubs fan who picks the former needs to quit being a Cubs fan and go root for the Braves. How could any Cubs fan settle for anything less then a championship?
Yeah, but how insulting would it be for them to do it the year after you die.

It's not like you know either in advance. Each year the Cubs would be in it, and you would THINK they would win it, but they break your heart every single year. But then you're gone and they win it.

[DMBZeppelin]

Yeah, but how insulting would it be for them to do it the year after you die.

It's not like you know either in advance. Each year the Cubs would be in it, and you would THINK they would win it, but they break your heart every single year. But then you're gone and they win it.
At least my children could know the joy I'd never had.

[bothedmbfan]

They win the year after I die?
Fuck that! Thats all I wanna see before I die as far as baseball is concerned!
That'd be like God twisting the knife after I'm gone.

You're not allowed in here anymore, fuck off.

[gocubsgo3822]

Ryan can never be banned from here

[bothedmbfan]

He turned on us. His allegances lies with Cleveland. Zach and I agree, he's gone forever.

[gocubsgo3822]

hmmmm.... i will need to see the actual quotage before i make up my mind

[devilandthelord]

He turned on us. His allegances lies with Cleveland. Zach and I agree, he's gone forever.

What are you talking about?
Yeah I'm a Browns fan, not that big of a Bears fan.
But I'm a Cubs fan first, even though I gotta support the Tribe cuz thats where I'm from originally.

You're kicked out, Bo!
For blasphemy!
Its a travesty! A sham even!
Its a travershamockery!!! :twenty4

[bothedmbfan]

What are you talking about?
Yeah I'm a Browns fan, not that big of a Bears fan.
But I'm a Cubs fan first, even though I gotta support the Tribe cuz thats where I'm from originally.

You're kicked out, Bo!
For blasphemy!
Its a travesty! A sham even!
Its a travershamockery!!! :twenty4

1. You talked about that city...but not us.

2. How dare you steal something I stole...and then you did it wrong.

3. You're still out. Eff off spaceman.

[devilandthelord]

1. You talked about that city...but not us.

2. How dare you steal something I stole...and then you did it wrong.

3. You're still out. Eff off spaceman.

You're out for blindly defending black people even when you know they're wrong!

What are you talking about I talked about that city anyway? I don't know you what you mean. :confused

[gocubsgo3822]

yea bo knows black people.... i agree with ryan... bo is probably in the oj simpson fan club... and thinks he is a product of bad racism

[devilandthelord]

I'm gonna go get some dinner.
These traveshamockerisms better stop by the time I get back.

[gocubsgo3822]

:lol

[DMBZeppelin]

hmmmm.... i will need to see the actual quotage before i make up my mind
http://www.antsmarching.org/forum/showpost.php?p=5997699&postcount=1

http://www.antsmarching.org/forum/showpost.php?p=5998115&postcount=7

The question and the response made Bo and I scartch our heads. Because the Cubs were not mentioned.

[devilandthelord]

http://www.antsmarching.org/forum/showpost.php?p=5997699&postcount=1

http://www.antsmarching.org/forum/showpost.php?p=5998115&postcount=7

The question and the response made Bo and I scartch our heads. Because the Cubs were not mentioned.

Oh that was from a long time ago when I was living in Cleveland.
The Indians were good, the Cubs were ok and not going to win the WS.
Whereas Cleveland should've went to and won the WS that year.
I love the Cubs, but I'm an Indians fan too.

Scratch your heads.
You can scratch my balls mafakkas! :monkey

[DMBZeppelin]

Oh that was from a long time ago when I was living in Cleveland.
The Indians were good, the Cubs were ok and not going to win the WS.
Whereas Cleveland should've went to and won the WS that year.
I love the Cubs, but I'm an Indians fan too.

Scratch your heads.
You can scratch my balls mafakkas! :monkey
Ok, but being a Cubs fan is not a when they're good thing. Sorry they have to have a WS shot, and if they're just ok you're not a fan. :shrug

[devilandthelord]

Ok, but being a Cubs fan is not a when they're good thing. Sorry they have to have a WS shot, and if they're just ok you're not a fan. :shrug

No thats not what I said.
I was just living there at the time and thats where I'm from so thats how I related it.
I lived in Chicago before and do now again.
When I moved to Chicago originally I fell in love with the Cubs, for better or worse.
I don't even expect them to win the WS now. Ever!
But I still love them.

I'm done proving my fandom now.

[gocubsgo3822]

people are getting a bit snippy in here

[devilandthelord]

I don't even know why I'm posting in here.
I said I was done with the Cubs until April.
I should stick to that.

[thebestauntie]

Please.

[gocubsgo3822]

no i need people in here to entertain me

[devilandthelord]

no i need people in here to entertain me

Why don't you check out one of your white power message boards, honkey.
Should be plenty of hatin' goin on over there.
;)

[gocubsgo3822]

contrary to popular belief i am not any white power message boards... Us white power rednecks cant figure out how to set them up :lol

[devilandthelord]

Jon,
I know people give you a lot of crap about the avatar, but it's seriously horrible buddy and you should change it.

[gocubsgo3822]

no i am not changing it for a while.. proud where i go and of the men that fought against northern tyranny...

[devilandthelord]

no i am not changing it for a while.. proud where i go and of the men that fought against northern tyranny...

Where are you from?

And it was 150 years ago man!
Even your Great Grand Pappy wasn't there.

[gocubsgo3822]

i am from chicago... but i go to school in the south and pretty much associate with primarily southerners and have recognized since middle school that the south was correct in seceding. i jsut hate the way the north went about its business

[devilandthelord]

i am from chicago... but i go to school in the south and pretty much associate with primarily southerners and have recognized since middle school that the south was correct in seceding. i jsut hate the way the north went about its business

Ok, so you're not even from there.
And I agree that the South was right in seceding as well. But that flag represents hate and slavery to nearly everyone.
If you're proud to be in the South put up a damn picture of Lynyrd Skynyrd or something.

[gocubsgo3822]

i dont think it represents slavery at all if anything the american flag does becuase it was the flag flown on slave trade ships....

cubs

i want adam dunn

[Sou1 So1di3r]

Cubs

[gocubsgo3822]

i really think we need to split up the big three that is aramis derek and soriano.... i think the only one that can be traded is lee

[devilandthelord]

i dont think it represents slavery at all if anything the american flag does becuase it was the flag flown on slave trade ships....

cubs

i want adam dunn

Dude, no.



i really think we need to split up the big three that is aramis derek and soriano.... i think the only one that can be traded is lee

Get Lee outta here. Captain DP/Mr. Anti-Clutch has worn out his welcome with me.

[gocubsgo3822]

SOTO IS SPORTING NEWS ROOKIE OF THE YEAR!!!!!!!!!!! :bounce :bounce

http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=475730

[gocubsgo3822]

Dude, no.





Get Lee outta here. Captain DP/Mr. Anti-Clutch has worn out his welcome with me.


adam dunn is a man beast

[gocubsgo3822]

no other love for Soto????

cubs

[DMBZeppelin]

i dont think it represents slavery at all if anything the american flag does becuase it was the flag flown on slave trade ships....
I said this in another thread and I'll say it again
:lol I know it's like putting up a swastika and saying "this doesn't represent hate".
Not to mention the american flag flown on slave trade ships comment, um where do you think those slaves were going? To the south. Who fought so they could keep slaves? The south.

How you can say it doesn't represent slavery kind of tells me you're out of touch with reality. I don't think you're a bad person, because obviously your intentions aren't for it to be racist. That doesn't change the fact what you think it should represent, and what it actually represents are two different things.

[gocubsgo3822]

its all a matter of opinion what it represents.. for example i think the malcom x represents radical islam...

[DMBZeppelin]

no other love for Soto????

cubs
I'd give him more love but isn't Sports News rookie of the year, different from an actual rookie of the year?

[gocubsgo3822]

yea it is but it is still cool to get some major rec from a major publication

[DMBZeppelin]

its all a matter of opinion what it represents.. for example i think the malcom x represents radical islam...
the "n-word" represents someone who is ignorant. Slaves were uneducated and that's why they got called that. Over time it morphed into something else. Now by all means if you still think the word means ignorant. Go call people that and argue your case.

Again I respect your opinion to think it represents heritage (but what kind of heritage I don't understand). But would you rather the South have won the civil war, and slavery still be allowed? I mean I just don't get it. Again don't be surprised when people get offended by it.

[DMBZeppelin]

yea it is but it is still cool to get some major rec from a major publication
If Soto doesn't win the real rookie of the year that shit is rigged. I also think he's deserving of a gold glove.

[gocubsgo3822]

someone the other day took him over longoria too....

Soto will get all thirty two

[DMBZeppelin]

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3656197

Cubs might play unofficial opener at new Yankee Stadium

NEW YORK -- The Chicago Cubs (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/clubhouse?team=chn) might play the unofficial opener at the new Yankee Stadium.

The Cubs and Yankees are talking about playing an exhibition game or games the weekend before most teams open the regular season, on Monday, April 6.

While the Cubs are the Yankees' first choice, the teams are still negotiating.

The official opener of the $1.6 billion ballpark is April 16 against Cleveland.

Copyright 2008 by The Associated Press
I'd be down for this.

[gocubsgo3822]

i wouldnt when we break from ST i like to go where we go to and chill out... would be cool though i guess

[DMBZeppelin]

i wouldnt when we break from ST i like to go where we go to and chill out... would be cool though i guess
Don't we play Las Vegas every year to break ST? This would be cooler.

[gocubsgo3822]

yea but thats like 4 or 5 days before the season starts... i assume this would be a day or so before the start

[Sou1 So1di3r]

Go Soto!!!!!

[devilandthelord]

adam dunn is a man beast

A man beast who bats in the .230s and strikes out in higher numbers than games he plays.

[gocubsgo3822]

with like 40 plus homers and lots of runs and shit and an OBP of like .380

[devilandthelord]

And a horrible outfielding job as well.

[DMBZeppelin]

i am from chicago... but i go to school in the south and pretty much associate with primarily southerners and have recognized since middle school that the south was correct in seceding. i jsut hate the way the north went about its business
Just saw this post, and what the hell are you talking about? Maybe if you explain this I could better understand where you're coming from.

[bothedmbfan]

its all a matter of opinion what it represents.. for example i think the malcom x represents radical islam...

Difference is, Malcolm WASN'T WITH Radical Islam.

[DMBZeppelin]

with like 40 plus homers and lots of runs and shit and an OBP of like .380
He's probably like Soriano and does well against crap hitting. I'm willing to bet if we got him, in the post season with top pitchers he'd be god awful.

[devilandthelord]

Yeah, I bet if we got Dunn he'd be hated in no time.

[comerelaxnow]

Cubs are still the best team in the national league. just because they had a string of bad games does not change this.

[DMBZeppelin]

Cubs are still the best team in the national league. just because they had a string of bad games does not change this.
Ya I agree with you, but changes are coming in the offseason. Do we go after Roberts again? Do we re-sign Wood or Dempster? (Not saying we won't try, but we'd be fools to think no one can give them a better offer then we can).

Do we trade for Peavy? Who do we go after in FA? Then you have to take into account what other teams will do to improve. I mean the Brewers who originally said there's no way they'll re-sign Sabathia, will now try to re-sign Sabathia.

[gocubsgo3822]

so much hate on dunn.. he has an amazing eye at the plate and his numbers at wrigley are absurd... too lazy to do the research now

[DMBZeppelin]

so much hate on dunn.. he has an amazing eye at the plate and his numbers at wrigley are absurd... too lazy to do the research now
If he had an amazing eye, he'd be able to hit .270 and not be a K machine. Plus how many walks of his are intentional? He's been on a lot of bad teams. So I bet a lot of times he gets walked late in games so he can't tie things up with a swing of the bat. Which helps inflate his OBP.

But in a real offense like the Cubs, you think they'll walk Dunn to get to better hitters?

[gocubsgo3822]

my argument is that instead of trying to put the ball that is low and away in play that he cant hit and turning it into a DP like Derek Lee he will take it....

Adam Dunn is sick he has a career OBP of .381

of his 124 BB this year 13 were IBB

[devilandthelord]

If he had an amazing eye, he'd be able to hit .270 and not be a K machine. Plus how many walks of his are intentional? He's been on a lot of bad teams. So I bet a lot of times he gets walked late in games so he can't tie things up with a swing of the bat. Which helps inflate his OBP.

But in a real offense like the Cubs, you think they'll walk Dunn to get to better hitters?

Precisely. I think they'd pitch around guys like Ramirez or Soto to get to Dunn and K him. Or pitch right at him in key situations.

[DMBZeppelin]

Adam Dunn against the NL Central
V.s. CHC - .260 AVG, .398 OBP, .614 SLG, 1.012 OBP
109 Games, 38 HR's, 67 RBI's, 84 BB, 126 K's

V.s. MIL - .273 AVG, .421 OBP, .571 SLG, .991 OPS
115 Games, 31 HR's, 85 RBI's, 93 BB, 118 K's

V.s. STL - .225 AVG, .358 OBP, .488 SLG, .846 OPS
115 Games, 27 HR's, 64 RBI's, 78 BB, 102 K's

V.s. PIT - .257 AVG, .407 OBP, .534 SLG, .942 OPS
106 Games, 25 HR's, 54 RBI's, 85 BB, 114 K's

V.s. HOU - .253 AVG, .369 OBP, .510 SLG, .879 OPS
106 Games, 21 HR's, 55 RBI's, 63 BB, 122 K's

Adam Dunn in NL Central Ballparks
@ Wrigley - .286 AVG, .419 OBP, .664 SLG, 1.083 OPS
60 Games, 23 HR's, 44 RBI's, 49 BB, 68 K's

@ Miller Park - .244 AVG, .405 OBP, .512 SLG, .917 OPS
59 Games, 14 HR's, 34 RBI's, 52 BB, 65 K's

@ Minute Maid - .259 AVG, .370 OBP, .524 SLG, .894 OPS
53 Games, 11 HR's, 30 RBI's, 32 BB, 57 K's

@ PNC - .226 AVG, .392 OBP, .403 SLG, .795 OPS
48 Games, 6 HR's, 20 RBI's, 42 BB, 50 K's

@ Busch - .194 AVG, .311 OBP, .363 SLG, .674 OPS
36 Games, 5 HR's, 14 RBI's, 22 BB, 37 K's

@ Busch II - .241 AVG, .388 OBP, .554 SLG, .943 OPS
25 Games, 7 HR's, 16 RBI's, 19 BB, 23 K's

@ Cincergy - .245 AVG, .403 OBP, .481 SLG, .884 OPS
110 Games, 21 HR's, 59 RBI's, 88 BB, 121 K's

@ Great American - .254 BA, .385 OBP, .556 SLG, .941 OPS
437 Games, 124 HR's, 274 RBI's, 294 BB, 476 K's

Misc.
Day Games - .249 AVG, .372 OBP, .546 SLG, .918 OPS
370 Games, 100 HR's, 232 RBI, 236 BB, 419 K's

[UCFish]

I would take him.

[DMBZeppelin]

my argument is that instead of trying to put the ball that is low and away in play that he cant hit and turning it into a DP like Derek Lee he will take it....

Adam Dunn is sick he has a career OBP of .381

of his 124 BB this year 13 were IBB
It's mighty hard to ground into DP's, when you can't make contact with the ball. I don't remember him being a clutch guy either. Thing is we have a Dunn like guy in Soriano. We don't need another high K guy in the lineup. We aren't built for something like that.

People will go after Dunn in this lineup, in the post season against great pitching he'll do the Koskue spin a lot.

Minus 2003, he's always been in the top 10 for the NL in K's.

2002 - 170 K's (2nd)
2004 - 195 K's (1st)
2005 - 168 K's (1st)
2006 - 194 K's (1st)
2007 - 165 K's (3rd)
2008 - 164 K's (5th)

[DMBZeppelin]

I would take him.
Because more K's and bad fielding is what this team needs to get right? :confused

If you want Dunn who's boom or bust. You have to get rid of Soriano. Imagine if we got Roberts and moved Soriano down in the lineup with Dunn. They'd probably hit 3 and 4 and the K brothers would be hilarious.

[UCFish]

I like the OBP.

There is a huge difference between him and Soriano.

HE gets on base and can take a walk....Soriano can not. Yes he may strike out a lot as well but not on shitty pitches like Soriano.

[UCFish]

They should just get Kyle Orton to play for them. After all he is amazing.

[gocubsgo3822]

good research Zep :thumbsup

that being said i cant believe you fucking wouldnt take him after all those numbers.. An .800 OPS is really goo.. Even in his bad stages he is putting an OPS up of at least .900 it seems... I love Big Donkey

[Ev42]

dunn blows. if henry goes and gets him i will be pissed

[DMBZeppelin]

good research Zep :thumbsup

that being said i cant believe you fucking wouldnt take him after all those numbers.. An .800 OPS is really goo.. Even in his bad stages he is putting an OPS up of at least .900 it seems... I love Big Donkey
Ok, but I'm almost willing to bet he's just like Soriano. He can hit your 3, 4, and 5 starters and middle relievers. Can he hit your ace or closer? You think facing Johan Santana in the playoffs, that Santana is scared of Dunn?

Guys like Dunn don't age well at all. Once his power starts declining, you're left with a guy who just can't hit. Again I'm willing to bet a lot of his walks come from him being in crap lineups. You're protecting a lead in a late inning against a crap Reds lineup, you walk Dunn who has monster power.

[gocubsgo3822]

reds have been pretty bad but they still have been able to hit.....

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/chi-22-cubs-chicagooct22,0,3997975.story

article pretty much says we are looking for a LH 1B or a RF... I think Lee is a goner... I just hope the Yankees sign Texierra and then we have a bidding war for Lee between the Angels and Giants...

[DMBZeppelin]

reds have been pretty bad but they still have been able to hit.....

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/chi-22-cubs-chicagooct22,0,3997975.story

article pretty much says we are looking for a LH 1B or a RF... I think Lee is a goner... I just hope the Yankees sign Texierra and then we have a bidding war for Lee between the Angels and Giants...
Why would Lee be a goner, we're going to eat his contract? Why would we get rid of a gold glover, and a team leader? Not to mention in the playoffs he hit .333 in 07' and .545 in 08'. This guy shows up for the playoffs. We need more Lee's not less.

[bothedmbfan]

Yeah..except the double play thing...we need less of Lee in that aspect.

[gocubsgo3822]

becuase he is one of the only places where we can get his LH hitting

[DMBZeppelin]

Yeah..except the double play thing...we need less of Lee in that aspect.
I don't think he'll do that again. His swing wasn't right for whatever reason, but he got it right towards the end of September. Since joining the Cubs here's what Lee has done in terms of grounding into DP's

2004: 14
2005: 12
2006: 11
2007: 15
2008: 27

[gocubsgo3822]

i agree with Zep above and the thought of trading lee and leaving hoffpauir there scares me.... That being said Pie is out of options which means we either need to trade him or play him.... I want to give him a legitimate chance this year

[DMBZeppelin]

Adam Dunn
@ Wrigley - .286 AVG, .419 OBP, .664 SLG, 1.083 OPS
60 Games, 23 HR's, 44 RBI's, 49 BB, 68 K's

Derrek Lee
@ Wrigley - .312 AVG, .391 OBP, .565 SLG, .956 OPS
360 Games, 79 HR's, 217 RBI's, 166 BB, 250 K's

So if we get rid of Lee, we get a little bit more offense for a big drop off in defense.

[gocubsgo3822]

or we could put dunn in RF.... and keep lee..

[DMBZeppelin]

or we could put dunn in RF.... and keep lee..
Honestly if I could have my pick of FA's I'd go with Vlad G. in a heartbeat. Though the Angels will probably resign him.

[DMBZeppelin]

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/cubs/1234810,CST-SPT-cub22.article

Lou: New wrinkles in store

CUBS | Lefty hitter is No. 1; dropping Soriano possible

TAMPA, Fla. -- Lou Piniella returned to his Tampa-area home Tuesday after attending the Cubs' organizational meetings in Arizona and the veteran manager revealed the top item on the club's winter wish list.

''We're going to try to add some different wrinkles, offensively especially,'' Piniella told the Sun-Times. ''We are going to add left-handed hitting to this mix. From an offensive standpoint, that is definitely the No. 1 priority. And if we can get a little more athletic in the process, we're going to do that, too.''

Sources say the idea of finally moving Alfonso Soriano out of the leadoff spot was discussed during the meetings.

Piniella danced around that topic Tuesday. But it's worth noting that Piniella strayed from his seasonlong stance of defending Soriano as his leadoff hitter. Asked specifically about dropping Soriano in the lineup, Piniella said: ''Uh ... nothing's been decided there. But we are going to add some left-handed hitting, and we're going to try to get a little more athletic.''

Switch-hitting leadoff hitter Brian Roberts, whom the Cubs pursued last offseason, and lefty-swinging outfielder Raul Ibanez, a player they targeted at midseason, are still thought to be on general manager Jim Hendry's radar.
Nothing we couldn't have guessed, but at least we know the Cubs know where they need to improve.

[Sou1 So1di3r]

Cubs......

[gocubsgo3822]

i read something today we probably cant raise payroll

[gocubsgo3822]

Raul Ibanez or Randy Winn???

[funksoul]

i read something today we probably cant raise payroll


well there is no can't...there's no salary cap...perhaps they won't though.

[funksoul]

How about Bobby Abreu in RF? I think he's a free agent.

[gocubsgo3822]

i would like abreu

[bothedmbfan]

How about Bobby Abreu in RF? I think he's a free agent.

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

[gocubsgo3822]

Bruce Miles said this on radio today

Priority # 1 is re-signing Ryan Dempster

Cubs are not willing to give Kerry Wood a three year deal which might spell the end of his career in Chicago (very surprising to me)

Rich Hill is back on the Cubs radar -- organization still has faith in his talent

Organization would like Alfonso Soriano to bat 5th or 6th next year

Kosuke Fukudome stands good chance of being platoon mate with Reed Johnson in CF, dependent of course on his ability to hit

Derrek Lee will likely not be traded on recommendation of Piniella

Jake Peavy is not on the radarscope but the Brewers will be very hot and heavy after him

Raul Ibanez is not really a target because of his inability to play right field

Bob Brenly shapes up to be finalist for the Milwaukee job

[devilandthelord]

I'd be cool giving Abreu like a 2 year contract.
Now there's a guy with great patience.
Not a lot of power anymore, but an RBI machine, and will even steal 20 bases or so even at his age.
Good for about a .300 average, 20 homers, 100 RBI, and 20 SBs every year.
I'll take him.
I think he, unlike Dunn could do a lot of damage in our lineup.

[Sou1 So1di3r]

wait, bob brenly is leaving?

[devilandthelord]

Bring back Steve Stone!
It sickens me to hear him do White Sox broadcasts.
I liked him so well with the Cubs.

[bothedmbfan]

wait, bob brenly is leaving?

He probably has it written into his contract that he can leave for a position in the MLB.

[HolyCow]

Who better to ask for help than my fellow Cubbies?

Go here: http://www.laballtalk.com/2008/10/21/top-team-blog-contest-voting/

And vote for "The Thunderworld" as your favorite Thunder blog. Do it.

Do it.

[devilandthelord]

I dunno, Thunder Guru was pretty sweet.

[TapNorris]

Bring back Steve Stone!
It sickens me to hear him do White Sox broadcasts.
I liked him so well with the Cubs.

:thumbsup:thumbsup:thumbsupBest color man in baseball....he belongs back in the box at Wrigley.

[HolyCow]

I dunno, Thunder Guru was pretty sweet.
I know... I voted for him too. :lorraine

[HolyCow]

I really love Len Kasper. I hope he stays for a while. But my dream color man?

Mark Grace. Why it hasn't happened, I don't know. We need Gracie in the booth.

[funksoul]

:thumbsup:thumbsup:thumbsupBest color man in baseball....he belongs back in the box at Wrigley.


Stone is not coming back. He just signed a TV deal with the Sox. It's gonna be Stone and Hawk in the booth.

[devilandthelord]

I know... I voted for him too. :lorraine

Im jk, actually I didn't even look at any of the other ones, but when I tried to vote for your's it said there was an error on the page and I don't think it took.
They're riggin' it against ya man! :twenty4

[DMBZeppelin]

Priority # 1 is re-signing Ryan Dempster

Cubs are not willing to give Kerry Wood a three year deal which might spell the end of his career in Chicago (very surprising to me)
That's such crap. Wood is more important then Dempster. We all know how good he was this year, but can he repeat it? I'm not big on guys who have a career year in their 30's.

We all know Wood has the talent to dominant. His stuff is great, and him arm was just fine this year. Ya he had the blister thing, but they eventually found what worked for Wood.

While I think Marmol can close, he was inconsistent. After Wood got roughed up in April he was amazing. If Marmol goes on a 2 month stretch of no command, what do we do?

If we lose Dempster we got guys like Marshall and Shark who can take their place. If we lose Wood we then force SHark to remain in the pen, and he moves into the important setup role. Marmol is your closer, and then we better pray Gaudin comes back 100%.

[gocubsgo3822]

i like dempster better than wood right now... wood was far from lights out

[davehead86]

Fuckin Cubs, they would drop Bob Brenley.

What happens if we cant make payroll?

[gocubsgo3822]

we will make payroll..... it will increase a little

[DMBZeppelin]

i like dempster better than wood right now... wood was far from lights out
Wood improved a lot as the season went on. He has a lot more talent then Dempster. While Dempster put together a GREAT YEAR! That involved choking in the playoffs. He's 31 years old and will be 32 next season. Putting up a career year in your 30's that doesn't scare you?

I do want Dempster back, but I think Wood's stock as a closer is going up. I'm not sure Dempster could ever replicate this year. Though I'm sure we'll pay him for it like he will.

[gocubsgo3822]

yea i am just scared as hell of woods arm falling off i say we offer woody a two year contract with a vestin option for a third year OR offer him arbritration. If he really wants to stay he will but i am of the belief that one inning pitchers never deserve the money that they have invested in them

[DMBZeppelin]

yea i am just scared as hell of woods arm falling off i say we offer woody a two year contract with a vestin option for a third year OR offer him arbritration. If he really wants to stay he will but i am of the belief that one inning pitchers never deserve the money that they have invested in them
Why, even in 2005 when Wood first tried being a bullpen pitcher was because he couldn't go over 60 pitches. His problems have been endurance related. His arm was fine in 2007 and 2008 after he got healthy.

If you don't want to invest big money into pen guys, well then we can kiss Marmol and Shark (if he doesn't start) goodbye once they are FA eligible. To me Kerry Wood is the Cubs, it be a sad sad day knowing he left healthy with his best closing days ahead of him.

[comerelaxnow]

Go Cubs Go...Go Cubs Go...Hey Chicago What Do You Say Cubs Are Gonna Win Next Year! Or The Year After That!

[bothedmbfan]

We'll never win it all. We colelctively pissed off Jesus.

[gocubsgo3822]

Zep i agree with you 100% that WOOD IS THE CUBS!!!!!!!!! but we have to be responsible..... i want him back as much as anyone... but i wouldnt pay him more than two guaranteed years.... Dempster pitches 200 innings wood less than 70 i believe... and demps had a better era.... i love woody though i want him back.. but i would not mind the draft picks.....

SOUTH PARK SUCKS

[gocubsgo3822]

this is why we have to win in the next two years......

http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports_hardball/2008/10/cubs-rank-low-i.html

our minor league system will probabl be 26-30 in baseball....

[gocubsgo3822]

i normally am not one to believe in sabre-rattling people that have never played an inning of baseball but this article really got me thinking... http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports_hardball/2008/10/cubs-rank-low-i.html

we have a serious problem in that our farm system is terrible. We really only have one prospect that has any value currently. After Vitters we dont have a single significant prospect that other teams will want. Our top three pitching prospects are all relievers. Every single chat that i have read with Jim Callis or any other baseball america say that Shark Ceda and Cashner are all bullpen members. No one legitimately thinks anymore that Shark is a starting pitching prospect, and that has nothing to do with him being in the bullpen..

The reason that we have as many good players as we do is becasue of the fact that we had such a good farm system. Choi-=Lee, Bobby Hill=Aramis, and we had Nolasco, Prior, Cruz, Z, Montanez (still a good prospect at the time), Haggerty, Blasko, and so many arms deep in the system.... Our best prospects are now a third baseman and three relievers not to mention a CF that we no longer have any option for. (BTW thank you Lou and Jim for essentially turning Pie (who was untouchable outside of an absurd package) into a player with no value.

I know hindsight is 20/20 but we really overvalued our prospects with the Brian Roberts trade... All this being said, how do we fix this...

My solution... Keep the nucleus of Soriano, Lee, Rammy, Soto, Derosa, andFontenot intact...

(there is going to be no market for lee and quite frankly if he isnt batting third he wont kill us...) Platoon Pie and Reed (send kosuke to the minors and maybe he will retire.. we can only hope.) platoon Fontenot and derosa.. Sign Milton Bradley on a two year deal if possible to play right (when he is healthy his OPS is consistently over .900) and then either go with Ronny Cedeno, Guzman, or furcal if possible at SS...Theriot will never have higher value and quite frankly i cant deal with his range his throws or his lack of XBH....

Resign Dempster offer wood arbrtration and i am ready to go...


Lineup

RHP LHP

Soriano Soriano

Lee Derosa 2B

Ramirez Rammy

Bradley Bradley

Soriano Soto

Fontenot 2B Lee

Pie Reed

SS SS

[DMBZeppelin]

Why would you want draft picks if you think our farm sucks? It means we're not drafting well.

Theriot .307 AVG (6th) and .387 OBP (8th) has some nice stats right there. He should be in the lineup. He shouldn't be our SS though, he's a natural 2B in my opinion. His borderline SS range is great at 2B. Plus his arm is a better fit there.

I know Pie's value is low, but so what? All I care about is that he pans out for us. Given that before he was sent down to AAA, in his last 15 games he hit .285. Then in Sept he had a .300 AVG with a .391 OBP, well I like what I saw.

If he can get his bat around, he could hit lead off for us. Even if we got Roberts I'd rather Pie hit leadoff if he can hit.

[funksoul]

i normally am not one to believe in sabre-rattling people that have never played an inning of baseball but this article really got me thinking... http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports_hardball/2008/10/cubs-rank-low-i.html

we have a serious problem in that our farm system is terrible. We really only have one prospect that has any value currently. After Vitters we dont have a single significant prospect that other teams will want. Our top three pitching prospects are all relievers. Every single chat that i have read with Jim Callis or any other baseball america say that Shark Ceda and Cashner are all bullpen members. No one legitimately thinks anymore that Shark is a starting pitching prospect, and that has nothing to do with him being in the bullpen..

The reason that we have as many good players as we do is becasue of the fact that we had such a good farm system. Choi-=Lee, Bobby Hill=Aramis, and we had Nolasco, Prior, Cruz, Z, Montanez (still a good prospect at the time), Haggerty, Blasko, and so many arms deep in the system.... Our best prospects are now a third baseman and three relievers not to mention a CF that we no longer have any option for. (BTW thank you Lou and Jim for essentially turning Pie (who was untouchable outside of an absurd package) into a player with no value.

I know hindsight is 20/20 but we really overvalued our prospects with the Brian Roberts trade... All this being said, how do we fix this...

My solution... Keep the nucleus of Soriano, Lee, Rammy, Soto, Derosa, andFontenot intact...

(there is going to be no market for lee and quite frankly if he isnt batting third he wont kill us...) Platoon Pie and Reed (send kosuke to the minors and maybe he will retire.. we can only hope.) platoon Fontenot and derosa.. Sign Milton Bradley on a two year deal if possible to play right (when he is healthy his OPS is consistently over .900) and then either go with Ronny Cedeno, Guzman, or furcal if possible at SS...Theriot will never have higher value and quite frankly i cant deal with his range his throws or his lack of XBH....

Resign Dempster offer wood arbrtration and i am ready to go...


Lineup

RHP LHP

Soriano Soriano

Lee Derosa 2B

Ramirez Rammy

Bradley Bradley

Soriano Soto

Fontenot 2B Lee

Pie Reed

SS SS


Milton Bradley :eek :confused

[gocubsgo3822]

milton bradley is sick

[bothedmbfan]

Milton Bradley is a trouble maker though, don't forget that.

[funksoul]

milton bradley is sick

Milton Bradley is oft injured (averages less than 100 games a year over his career), is a complete tool, and cannot be depended on to be your everyday anything for these reasons. Does he have talent? Of course, but I don't think he ultimately makes your team better or more cohesive.

He does make a mean board game though!!

[bothedmbfan]

When he and Coco Crisp were on the same team...lawl.

[funksoul]

He's probably still bitter that his parents named him Milton fucking Bradley!!

[DMBZeppelin]

Milton Bradley is oft injured (averages less than 100 games a year over his career), is a complete tool, and cannot be depended on to be your everyday anything for these reasons. Does he have talent? Of course, but I don't think he ultimately makes your team better or more cohesive.

He does make a mean board game though!!
Ya I think one of the reasons he played in 126 game this year (2nd career best), was because he DHed in all but a few games. We don't have a DH to keep him quasi-healthy.

[devilandthelord]

Plus he could implode at any moment.
Texas was good for him because he and the manager got along really well.
It takes a special situation for him to be focused in and not go off the deep end.
I don't know how he and Lou would mesh.
He's not a good fit for the Cubs anyway like Zep said about him DH'ing all the time last year.

[Ev42]

no way should the cubs go after Bradley.

[devilandthelord]

Sweet mother of fuck!
I was just driving over to the store to get some beer and snacks, and I turned on ESPN Radio 1000 Chicago.
They're re-broadcasting the fucking Bartman game!

Now, I know they need to fill time because the WS is being delayed by rain, but WHY IN THE BLUE HELL WOULD YOU RE-BROADCAST THE BARTMAN GAME!?!
I don't ever wanna hear or see that again in my life!
I fucking lived it.

God I became so pissed! :violent:mad

[Sou1 So1di3r]

Ramierz won the Hank Aaron award

[bothedmbfan]

WTF is the Hank Aaron award?

[DMBZeppelin]

WTF is the Hank Aaron award?
An award named after former Home Run King, Hank Aaron.

[Sou1 So1di3r]

http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20081026&content_id=3646389&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb

[DMBZeppelin]

Ramirez hit .289 with 97 runs scored, a career-high 44 doubles, 27 home runs, a club-high 111 RBIs, a career-best .380 on-base percentage and a .518 slugging percentage.

It was the sixth season of 100 or more RBIs in Aramis Ramirez's career. The native of the Dominican Republic now has six straight seasons, and seven overall, with 25 or more home runs. Eleven of his 27 homers gave the Cubs the lead.

In close and late situations, the 30-year-old batted .423 (30-for-71) with nine home runs and 29 RBIs. Ramirez collected 27 RBIs and 20 runs scored in 27 games in August, and he posted 56 RBIs in Chicago's final 69 games of the season.

Named an All-Star for the second time in his career, Ramirez was one of five Cubs players with 20 or more home runs, marking only the third time in franchise history that the feat has been accomplished.
Wow.

[bothedmbfan]

An award named after former Home Run King, Hank Aaron.

Ahhh, and you especially know how happy that "Former" makes me.

[DMBZeppelin]

Ahhh, and you especially know how happy that "Former" makes me.
Ya you're the only person who likes Bonds.

[bothedmbfan]

Ya you're the only person who likes Bonds.

Barry does too. But yeah.

[gocubsgo3822]

cubs

on another note let me preach for a second.... please please please if u live in VA, NC, OH, or any swing state to vote.. I dont care who you are voting for but please vote. Be an american...

[DMBZeppelin]

Barry does too. But yeah.
False, Bonds hates himself.

[bothedmbfan]

Barry Lamar Bonds is an American hero.

[devilandthelord]

I like Barry Bonds too.
Always have.

[clcfball11]

Thinking about how good this team was all summer literally makes me ill. The things that took place over 27 fateful innings in early october simply make no sense. Sigh....Go Cubs.

[JaJunk]

Sweet mother of fuck!
I was just driving over to the store to get some beer and snacks, and I turned on ESPN Radio 1000 Chicago.
They're re-broadcasting the fucking Bartman game!

Now, I know they need to fill time because the WS is being delayed by rain, but WHY IN THE BLUE HELL WOULD YOU RE-BROADCAST THE BARTMAN GAME!?!
I don't ever wanna hear or see that again in my life!
I fucking lived it.

God I became so pissed! :violent:mad

I've revisited it, and it was quite an experience. If only every fan would accept that crazy things do happen, and that curses are only fueled by fan fodder and cement unacceptable tonage of pressure on the players backs. When it's not your time, well, it's simply somebody elses. I actually chuckle throughout that game, awaiting that meltdown. We're gonna win folks, just keep holding out and remember to laugh during the bad times.

[gocubsgo3822]

cubs.....

interesting thought from Barry ROzner on how we could match up for Peavy today.....

On another note who else trades Rich Hill and Pie to the Marlins for Jeremy Hermida... Maybe throw in another player and bring back Scott Olson too....

ANyone else think Marshall should be given a shot??

I also am hearing rumblings Marquis might be on the wya out and we wont be eating his whole contract.. He has a solid contract actually.. The Marquis era has been kind of interesting.... 11.5 wins a year.... Lots of innings... that signing did not turn out as disastorus as i thought it would have... :thumbsup Jason Marquis... We really had the best fifth starter ever...

[gocubsgo3822]

Gammons thinks we will land Peavy

Peavy, Harden, Z, Dempster, Lilly = boner... Although i have a feeling if we get peavy before we resign demps we wont resign demps

[DMBZeppelin]

Now that the World Series is over, some sports books have already released odds on next year's World Series champions. The Boston Red Sox are the favorites at 3-1 on BetOnline.com. Next on the list, the Cubs and Los Angeles Angels at 5-1, then the Phillies and New York Yankees at 6-1. The 2008 runner-up Tampa Bay Rays are 10-1, as are the White Sox.

[DMBZeppelin]

Gammons thinks we will land Peavy

Peavy, Harden, Z, Dempster, Lilly = boner... Although i have a feeling if we get peavy before we resign demps we wont resign demps
I'm scared I was all for him at first, but when we got into his stats in this very thread I backed off the bandwagon. His splits are insane. He's almost unhittable in San Diego, and on the road he sucks.

Jake Peavy
2008: 2.85 ERA (1.75 ERA at Home, 4.28 ERA on the Road)
Career Home: 2.77 ERA
Career Away: 3.80 ERA
Day Games: 3.60 ERA
@ Wrigley: 3.68 ERA

I'm not saying I don't want Peavy, he'd make us better. Honestly I'd be happy with re-signing Wood and Dempster. Trading for Peavy, seeing if the O's demands for Roberts have gone down, if not go after Furcal. Maybe even see if we could get Sabathia.

But just re-signing our players and trading for Peavy would make me feel better. Hell depending if Dempster wants big starter type money. We took that and got Sabathia instead to have: Zambrano, Sabathia, Peavy, Harden, and Lilly. I'd be pretty pumped.

[bothedmbfan]

We should be pushing for a trade to get Tim Lincecum and Aaron Rowand.

[DMBZeppelin]

We should be pushing for a trade to get Tim Lincecum and Aaron Rowand.
Why Rowand? Pie/Johnson is just fine. Rowand isn't ever super great, he's just willing to go diving into a wall. Johnson is the same type of guy, might not be great but he'll lay out for it. He's also unlikely to repeat his 2007 year with the Phillies.

We'd have to gut the team to get Lincecum.

[davehead86]

I'm scared I was all for him at first, but when we got into his stats in this very thread I backed off the bandwagon. His splits are insane. He's almost unhittable in San Diego, and on the road he sucks.

Jake Peavy
2008: 2.85 ERA (1.75 ERA at Home, 4.28 ERA on the Road)
Career Home: 2.77 ERA
Career Away: 3.80 ERA
Day Games: 3.60 ERA
@ Wrigley: 3.68 ERA

I'm not saying I don't want Peavy, he'd make us better. Honestly I'd be happy with re-signing Wood and Dempster. Trading for Peavy, seeing if the O's demands for Roberts have gone down, if not go after Furcal. Maybe even see if we could get Sabathia.

But just re-signing our players and trading for Peavy would make me feel better. Hell depending if Dempster wants big starter type money. We took that and got Sabathia instead to have: Zambrano, Sabathia, Peavy, Harden, and Lilly. I'd be pretty pumped.

That road ERA is pretty steep, and on a team that consistently has droughts of hitting. Not that Im a baseball expert or anything, just curious what u think that ERA will do to the team, can it be dampened?

[Sou1 So1di3r]

Why Rowand? Pie/Johnson is just fine. Rowand isn't ever super great, he's just willing to go diving into a wall. Johnson is the same type of guy, might not be great but he'll lay out for it. He's also unlikely to repeat his 2007 year with the Phillies.

We'd have to gut the team to get Lincecum.

If we get Lincecum... we would be unstoppable.

[DMBZeppelin]

If we get Lincecum... we would be unstoppable.
New dream rotation

1. Zambrano - Vet team ace gets to be #1 always
2. Sabathia
3. Lincecum
4. Peavy
5. Harden

[DMBZeppelin]

That road ERA is pretty steep, and on a team that consistently has droughts of hitting. Not that Im a baseball expert or anything, just curious what u think that ERA will do to the team, can it be dampened?
Not really, because one of the reasons his home ERA is so good is because Petco is huge. With Harden skiping starts next year, and off days. You try to line him up to pitch every series in SD and LA.

His career ERA at Wrigley isn't great, but it's not god awful. Hopefully he could learn to pitch at Wrigley. I just hope the Cubs if they go after him, have scouted him enough to know how he'd translate at Wrigley.

[Sou1 So1di3r]

New dream rotation

1. Zambrano - Vet team ace gets to be #1 always
2. Sabathia
3. Lincecum
4. Peavy
5. Harden

What about Lilly... honestly, he was more lights out in September than Harden was.

I love Lilly. Love Love Love.

[bothedmbfan]

Why Rowand? Pie/Johnson is just fine. Rowand isn't ever super great, he's just willing to go diving into a wall. Johnson is the same type of guy, might not be great but he'll lay out for it. He's also unlikely to repeat his 2007 year with the Phillies.

We'd have to gut the team to get Lincecum.

Rowand is my favorite player in the MLB at the moment.. And he had a good season last year on a dog shit team.

Also, something you'll like....he wears a Bears shirt under his jersey.

[davehead86]

Not really, because one of the reasons his home ERA is so good is because Petco is huge. With Harden skiping starts next year, and off days. You try to line him up to pitch every series in SD and LA.

His career ERA at Wrigley isn't great, but it's not god awful. Hopefully he could learn to pitch at Wrigley. I just hope the Cubs if they go after him, have scouted him enough to know how he'd translate at Wrigley.

Ok, understand.


What about Wood? He has said he would love to be with the Cubs, is there a real chance he wont be returning in 2009?

[bothedmbfan]

Apparently, it's a very likely possibility he won't.

[davehead86]

Apparently, it's a very likely possibility he won't.

That annoys me. I dont understand the politics of baseball I guess. But it seems that it would be in the best interests of a team who has done so well in the regular season to keep a majority of its players together to try and repeat their sucess. Why are we trying to dump Dempster and Wood?

[devilandthelord]

Heard on the radio today the Cubs are trying to work out a 3 or 4 year deal for Dempster.

[DMBZeppelin]

That annoys me. I dont understand the politics of baseball I guess. But it seems that it would be in the best interests of a team who has done so well in the regular season to keep a majority of its players together to try and repeat their sucess. Why are we trying to dump Dempster and Wood?
What I hate about it, is that Wood's best days as a closer are ahead of him. He's shown he can get out of a tough jam, and he actually pitched better this year with the less rest he had.

0 Days Rest - 2.45 ERA
1 Day Rest - 1.04 ERA
2 Days Rest - 3.21 ERA
3 Days Rest - 3.68 ERA
4 Days Rest - 7.36 ERA
6+ Days Rest - 13.50 ERA

Though the 6+ Days is probably effected by the fact when he got off the DL he was rusty those first couple games back.

Wood also had a 2.80 ERA at Wrigley. Which is big because you win most of your games at home, and try to stay around .500 on the road.

Again I think Wood is only going to get better and more comfortable as the closer. After he blew 4 saves in April, he was just plain unhittable till the blister came about.

Wood even had two months June and August where he gave up EXACTLY 1 earned run in each month for a 0.82 ERA in both.

I like Dempster and I want him to come back, but can we honestly expect him to get any better? Because if he got better he'd be up there with your Zambrano's, Harden's, and Sabathia's. I don't think Demps is going to turn into a super star in his 30's. His command led to a career year this year. I think he could have similar results, but not better.

We also have guys like Marshall/Shark/Gaudin who can take Dempster's spot. If Wood leaves, then Shark becomes the new setup guy, and he's inconsistent. What if Marmol loses his command again?

[Ev42]

i hope they resign demp and wood, but i don't think both will be back.

[DMBZeppelin]

i hope they resign demp and wood, but i don't think both will be back.
Thing is, I worry they're only going after Demp. I mean when healthy Kerry has some of the best stuff in baseball. He's yet to have any arm problems as a reliever. 05' he was fine, after he got healthy from starting in 07' and became a pen guy he was fine, in 08' he was an All-Star.

We've all seen Dempster suck, and as much as I don't want to think last year was a fluke. What if we throw big money at him and the old Dempster is back?

[sean52692]

Soriano should not be our leadoff hitter. B/c in the playoffs he's our leadoff shitter

[Ev42]

Thing is, I worry they're only going after Demp. I mean when healthy Kerry has some of the best stuff in baseball. He's yet to have any arm problems as a reliever. 05' he was fine, after he got healthy from starting in 07' and became a pen guy he was fine, in 08' he was an All-Star.

We've all seen Dempster suck, and as much as I don't want to think last year was a fluke. What if we throw big money at him and the old Dempster is back?

i agree 100% with everything you said

[devilandthelord]

i agree 100% with everything you said

My worries are the same about Demps, except I'm not as concerned about Wood.
Still like to have Woody back though.

[Ev42]

if i had to pick i would rather give wood the money, and keep him

[DMBZeppelin]

if i had to pick i would rather give wood the money, and keep him
I agree, not to mention he's a clubhouse leader. He's been here since 1998. To me he is the Cubs. Top reliever money is no where near top starter money. Which to me makes Woody an even safer pick to go with.

[bubba40]

You know who you guys need? Manny.

[DMBZeppelin]

We declined a $3 million option on Blanco. He hit .292 this past season, and he's one of the top defensive catchers out there. So it's quite possible they try to resign him for cheap.

Though I do believe they'll let him walk and have Koyie Hill who had a decent year in the minors be the backup. Also Edmonds agent says he's not retiring and that's a final decision. Edmonds and his agent are going to talk about his options the next few days, but I'd give it a 2% chance Edmonds winds back up with the Cubs.

[davehead86]

Ugh my favorite team is falling apart.


Fuck Manny Ramierez, Soriano was supposed to be our hitter, I doubt Manny would step up on teh Cubs, he'd prob start to suck too.

[Sou1 So1di3r]

Ugh my favorite team is falling apart.


Fuck Manny Ramierez, Soriano was supposed to be our hitter, I doubt Manny would step up on teh Cubs, he'd prob start to suck too.

The way I see it, Manny will play great for a season or two with one club, then get tired and want to move on. He is going to be as amazing as he always was. The only way manny will be happy is if he gets traded to the Yanks

[DMBZeppelin]

From ESPN Insider:

According to the San Diego Union-Tribune, Padres general manager Kevin Towers got a head start on the GM meetings by scheduling to sit down with the Cubs, Brewers and Cardinals. Towers is expected to spend this month gauging the value of ace right-hander Jake Peavy (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?playerId=5019). Towers could also check back in with the Dodgers as November progresses to test their level of interest in Peavy, who went 10-11 with a 2.85 ERA this season in San Diego.

[Ev42]

From ESPN Insider:

According to the San Diego Union-Tribune, Padres general manager Kevin Towers got a head start on the GM meetings by scheduling to sit down with the Cubs, Brewers and Cardinals. Towers is expected to spend this month gauging the value of ace right-hander Jake Peavy (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?playerId=5019). Towers could also check back in with the Dodgers as November progresses to test their level of interest in Peavy, who went 10-11 with a 2.85 ERA this season in San Diego.

espn 1000 said the the talk was cedano(sp), Marshall, pie, and a triple a pitcher i can't think of his name. i would take the that deal in a heartbeat.

[DMBZeppelin]

espn 1000 said the the talk was cedano(sp), Marshall, pie, and a triple a pitcher i can't think of his name. i would take the that deal in a heartbeat.
It suck to lose Pie, considering we don't know what we have in him. Too bad Fuld's stock isn't high anymore. Though I agree, you have to do that deal. Was the Triple-A pitcher Ceda?

[DMBZeppelin]

I was watching NBC news, and they said Dempster will not negotiate with the Cubs until free agency starts. Because he wants to hear what other teams have to offer.

Which tells me, he's going to the highest bidder. Go after Sabathia, he's more worth the money then Dempster.

[Bron Yr Aur]

What I hate about it, is that Wood's best days as a closer are ahead of him. He's shown he can get out of a tough jam, and he actually pitched better this year with the less rest he had.

0 Days Rest - 2.45 ERA
1 Day Rest - 1.04 ERA
2 Days Rest - 3.21 ERA
3 Days Rest - 3.68 ERA
4 Days Rest - 7.36 ERA
6+ Days Rest - 13.50 ERA

Though the 6+ Days is probably effected by the fact when he got off the DL he was rusty those first couple games back.

Wood also had a 2.80 ERA at Wrigley. Which is big because you win most of your games at home, and try to stay around .500 on the road.

Again I think Wood is only going to get better and more comfortable as the closer. After he blew 4 saves in April, he was just plain unhittable till the blister came about.

Wood even had two months June and August where he gave up EXACTLY 1 earned run in each month for a 0.82 ERA in both.

I like Dempster and I want him to come back, but can we honestly expect him to get any better? Because if he got better he'd be up there with your Zambrano's, Harden's, and Sabathia's. I don't think Demps is going to turn into a super star in his 30's. His command led to a career year this year. I think he could have similar results, but not better.

We also have guys like Marshall/Shark/Gaudin who can take Dempster's spot. If Wood leaves, then Shark becomes the new setup guy, and he's inconsistent. What if Marmol loses his command again?

You're overrating Zambrano greatly if you think he is in the same category as Sabathia. Zambrano is a historic underachiever and this year he was pretty up-and-down after the first third of the season.

I really wish we could get Wood and Dempster back. It just seems wrong to have Kerry Wood in a different uniform, and Dempster is just such a quality dude...and a solid pitcher. If we didn't have fucking Fukudome's salary on our hands maybe we could re-sign these guys.

[devilandthelord]

I was watching NBC news, and they said Dempster will not negotiate with the Cubs until free agency starts. Because he wants to hear what other teams have to offer.

Which tells me, he's going to the highest bidder. Go after Sabathia, he's more worth the money then Dempster.

Hell yeah he is.
But we'd have to pay C.C. like 10 mil more a year.

[DMBZeppelin]

Zambrano is a historic underachiever and this year he was pretty up-and-down after the first third of the season.
He's hit an August slump the last two years, but so what? Last two years he's also been the man in the playoffs. He keeps getting better. He threw a no hitter this year, not to mention he showed maturity in the playoffs. All those errors, and he didn't let it get to him. He kept pitching. He turned 27 mid-season this year.

It usually takes till about that age for a super talented guy like Zambrano to learn how to pitch. It really is an art, and we're about to see Zambrano enter his prime. I'd also be welling to bet we could get the same trade value out of Zambrano as the Indians did Sabathia.
Hell yeah he is.
But we'd have to pay C.C. like 10 mil more a year.
Granted, but as long as the Cubs can afford it, might as well pay a bit more for quality. I mean I hope Dempster re-signs with us, and is rock solid again. But how likely is it that he tops this year, ever? He's in his 30's and he just had his career year.

We'd be paying him like this is what we expect from him. We need to start spending on guys who will get the job done. The fact he won't listen to us till FA starts really bothers me. He's more in for the money then anything else. Not saying he's not a nice guy, but I know Wood would at least listen to us right now.

If we trade for Peavy, and re-sign Wood. I'll be happy with whatever happens to Dempster. In fact I'd rather save the big money it cost to sign Dempster and try to sign Furcal or a power bat.

[Bron Yr Aur]

He's hit an August slump the last two years, but so what? Last two years he's also been the man in the playoffs. He keeps getting better. He threw a no hitter this year, not to mention he showed maturity in the playoffs. All those errors, and he didn't let it get to him. He kept pitching. He turned 27 mid-season this year.

It usually takes till about that age for a super talented guy like Zambrano to learn how to pitch. It really is an art, and we're about to see Zambrano enter his prime. I'd also be welling to bet we could get the same trade value out of Zambrano as the Indians did Sabathia.

Granted, but as long as the Cubs can afford it, might as well pay a bit more for quality. I mean I hope Dempster re-signs with us, and is rock solid again. But how likely is it that he tops this year, ever? He's in his 30's and he just had his career year.

We'd be paying him like this is what we expect from him. We need to start spending on guys who will get the job done. The fact he won't listen to us till FA starts really bothers me. He's more in for the money then anything else. Not saying he's not a nice guy, but I know Wood would at least listen to us right now.

If we trade for Peavy, and re-sign Wood. I'll be happy with whatever happens to Dempster. In fact I'd rather save the big money it cost to sign Dempster and try to sign Furcal or a power bat.

I wouldn't mind if we just went after Wood and Dempster....Peavy is good but like you said...his road numbers are nothing special and on those wind-blowing-out days at Wrigley, who knows.

[DMBZeppelin]

I wouldn't mind if we just went after Wood and Dempster....Peavy is good but like you said...his road numbers are nothing special and on those wind-blowing-out days at Wrigley, who knows.
I still have no doubt Peavy>>>Dempster. Plus Peavy is signed long term. Till like 2013 or something like that. Peay has had a few great years on the road, but yes I am concerned over last year. But the package mentioned, that's more then fair.

[gocubsgo3822]

i love yall and hope we win out......

God bless our country during this travesty

[gocubsgo3822]

appearently we are offering pie cedeno mashall and ceda for peavy... i dont know if that is enough but if they would take it i am down....


Vote McCain

[Ev42]

It suck to lose Pie, considering we don't know what we have in him. Too bad Fuld's stock isn't high anymore. Though I agree, you have to do that deal. Was the Triple-A pitcher Ceda?

i believe so

[cryfreedom4136]

I wanted to pop in here because I figured someon in here would know.

Please tell me that asshat gocubsgo has FINALLY been perma-banned.

[Tiduwho]

I wanted to pop in here because I figured someon in here would know.

Please tell me that asshat gocubsgo has FINALLY been perma-banned.

What for and when?

I know he was getting a lot of flack for the "The White House is going to be painted black" comment....haven't seen/heard anything since then.

[cryfreedom4136]

What for and when?

I know he was getting a lot of flack for the "The White House is going to be painted black" comment....haven't seen/heard anything since then.

http://antsmarching.org/forum/showthread.php?t=234898

Look at his user title too

[devilandthelord]

And of course Hussein is spelled wrong, as is his trademark. LOL

Judging by his profile it appears as if he has been banned. Who knows though?
Just Jake and co. probably.

Too bad, he's not all bad, just a bit misguided and immature.

[cryfreedom4136]

And of course Hussein is spelled wrong, as is his trademark. LOL

Judging by his profile it appears as if he has been banned. Who knows though?
Just Jake and co. probably.

Too bad, he's not all bad, just a bit misguided and immature.

If it were isolated incidents I would agree with you, but I have never seen anything that even resemebled a coherent or intelligent though come out of him... All I have ever seen is hate, bigotry, and non-sense...

[jaking1185]

To change subjects, do you think it would be cool for Chicago to ceremonially resign Greg Maddux so he can officially retire as a Cub?

[devilandthelord]

To change subjects, do you think it would be cool for Chicago to ceremonially resign Greg Maddux so he can officially retire as a Cub?

Eh, I think of him more as a Brave, even though he came in with the Cubs and played with them again later.

[jaking1185]

Eh, I think of him more as a Brave, even though he came in with the Cubs and played with them again later.

His most dominant years were in Atlanta, but I still see him as a Cub.

[Ev42]

And of course Hussein is spelled wrong, as is his trademark. LOL

Judging by his profile it appears as if he has been banned. Who knows though?
Just Jake and co. probably.

Too bad, he's not all bad, just a bit misguided and immature.

he's the biggest asshole on this site.

[Sou1 So1di3r]

lol @ gocubsgo

[DMBZeppelin]

lol @ gocubsgo
Did he have an avatar to go along with his Obama is a Terrorist subtitle thing? If so it's gone now.

[bothedmbfan]

i love yall and hope we win out......

God bless our country during this travesty

3 things.

1. I'm sure there is a man somewhere named Hussein Obama that is a terrorist. But it isn't the guy we elected.

2. Hussein = Good Looking Male. That's what it means.

3. You are the dumbest POS in here. That includes me.

[devilandthelord]

he's the biggest asshole on this site.

All aboard the Straight-talk Express! :lol

I was just trying to be nice.
He's never been an asshole to me and his brother Mike is awesome.

[bothedmbfan]

Mike is the shit. Jon is a racist POS whom I can't stand.

[DMBZeppelin]

The story of our resident racist, pro-slavery, pro-Confederate Cubs fan gocubgo....

Act 1: The Republican Revolution
http://antsmarching.org/forum/showthread.php?t=234898

Act 2: Paint It Black
and the white house will be painted black on January 20th...

Act 3: The Bradley Effect
http://antsmarching.org/forum/showthread.php?t=234901

Act 4: The Last Straw
i hear obama is up early but thats because his voters dont work and can go hang arounf polling places

I will ban you today.

Epilogue:
It must suck to be that racist. I mean, what a burden to have to think like that all the time.

Edit: Isn't one warning enough? Ban

He's gone for a while.