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DMBZeppelin

11-06-2008, 07:27 PM

Thanks 41Ravens, it was interesting to see what the national media is saying. For all other Cubs fans, here's what local media is saying:

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/cubs/1264646,cubs-peavy-110608.article

Cubs in heavy pursuit of Padres pitcher Peavy

DANA POINT, Calif. — With the Atlanta Braves balking at the demands from the San Diego Padres, the Cubs have stepped up their pursuit of ace pitcher Jake Peavy, sources confirmed this morning.

A big reason for the uptick in interest is the latest contract demands from free-agent pitcher Ryan Dempster.

A source close to general manager Jim Hendry said he is ‘‘very interested’’ in Peavy. Hendry spoke with Padres general manager Kevin Towers on Wednesday, and the Padres’ braintrust met for dinner Wednesday night at a local Mexican restaurant to discuss the Cubs players potentially involved in the deal.

No trade is imminent, sources said.

The Cubs had entered the general managers meetings with interest in Peavy, but with the belief the Braves were the runaway favorites. They also stepped up their interest in Peavy after initial talks with Dempster revealed the All-Star is seeking a five-year, $70 million contract, a source said.

Dempster turns 32 on May 3 and the Cubs don’t seem inclined to give him more than four years. Dempster — the Cubs’ former closer — went 17-6 with a 2.96 ERA last season. He has indicated he wants to return to the Cubs, but also has made it clear he wants to test the open market.

Peavy, 27, went 10-11 with a 2.85 ERA last season. But during his six seasons in the majors, Peavy is 86-62 with a 3.25 ERA. Peavy has no-trade protection, though the Cubs are on his informal list of teams in which he potentially would approve a trade.

But Peavy might insist on a contract extension before approving the deal. He has four years and $56 million remaining on his current contract, with an option for 2013 worth $22 million or a $4 million buyout.

Swinging a deal for Peavy could cost the Cubs some valuable, young talent, including a pitcher that is major-league ready, such as left-hander Sean Marshall or perhaps right-hander Rich Harden. The Padres could shoot high and ask for promising right-hander Jeff Samardzija, whose five-year, $10 million contract includes its own no-trade clause.

A Padres insider indicated Peavy will be dealt this offseason and said the club isn’t looking ‘‘for a home run, but at least a double’’ in terms of the talent it would receive in return for the former Cy Young Award winner.
The Cubs also have interest in free-agent left-hander CC Sabathia and right-hander A.J. Burnett.

Their 2009 rotation includes four pitchers already under contract: Carlos Zambrano, Ted Lilly, Harden and Jason Marquis.
Honestly if the Cubs are planning going after Sabathia. Just let Dempster walk and get CC and Peavy.

devilandthelord

11-06-2008, 07:31 PM

Thanks 41Ravens, it was interesting to see what the national media is saying. For all other Cubs fans, here's what local media is saying:

Honestly if the Cubs are planning going after Sabathia. Just let Dempster walk and get CC and Peavy.

Love Dempster, but I am nervous about him never being able to repeat what he did this year, and his age.
Obviously that would be completely amazing if we got CC and Peavy.
I don't think that will happen, but I think we have a great shot at getting one of them.
More likely to be Peavy.

DMBZeppelin

11-06-2008, 07:43 PM

Love Dempster, but I am nervous about him never being able to repeat what he did this year, and his age.
Obviously that would be completely amazing if we got CC and Peavy.
I don't think that will happen, but I think we have a great shot at getting one of them.
More likely to be Peavy.
From what I've read Sabathia isn't big on going to the Yanks. He also loves to hit. Which is one reason Zambrano said he'd never go to an AL club. So if Sabathia is willing to walk away from the Yankees blank check, the Cubs can probably offer him more then any other NL club.

Dempster wants every last dollar he can get. Scares me, and I don't think he'll be worth the money. So I mean let him walk, re-sign Wood, sign Sabathia, and trade for Peavy. We can come back with the same offense.

devilandthelord

11-06-2008, 07:46 PM

From what I've read Sabathia isn't big on going to the Yanks. He also loves to hit. Which is one reason Zambrano said he'd never go to an AL club. So if Sabathia is willing to walk away from the Yankees blank check, the Cubs can probably offer him more then any other NL club.

Dempster wants every last dollar he can get. Scares me, and I don't think he'll be worth the money. So I mean let him walk, re-sign Wood, sign Sabathia, and trade for Peavy. We can come back with the same offense.

That sounds pretty good to me. :thumbsup

I thought the Angels were going to be a front runner, but if he wants to hit I guess they're out.
What about the Dodgers though? Heard anything? I heard they may be a favorite too cuz CC is from Cali and would love to play there.

bothedmbfan

11-06-2008, 07:48 PM

I just don't think they have the money.

devilandthelord

11-06-2008, 07:51 PM

Then get Mark Cuban and his checkbook in here now!

DMBZeppelin

11-06-2008, 08:02 PM

That sounds pretty good to me. :thumbsup

I thought the Angels were going to be a front runner, but if he wants to hit I guess they're out.
What about the Dodgers though? Heard anything? I heard they may be a favorite too cuz CC is from Cali and would love to play there.
They offered Manny a LOT of money. Only person making more per year would be A-Rod. If he takes it, I doubt they can sign Sabathia as well. Though I could be wrong.

devilandthelord

11-06-2008, 08:21 PM

^ Ah that's true. I did hear about the Manny offer today.

Ev42

11-06-2008, 09:49 PM

i hear from espn radio Peavy will be dealt by monday. and thats from mr baseball bruce livine(sp)

Ev42

11-06-2008, 09:51 PM

UCFish.
Haven't seen him around much lately tho, come to think of it.

ok he's a cool guy:thumbsup:thumbsup:thumbsup

i have no idea how they are brothers

DMBZeppelin

11-06-2008, 09:59 PM

i hear from espn radio Peavy will be dealt by monday. and thats from mr baseball bruce livine(sp)
I'm giddy knowing this. I mean there's a lot of reasons I wouldn't want to give up Pie and Marshall. He's signed through 2012 with a 2013 club option.

If we get Peavy, that puts no pressure on us to overpay for Dempster.

Tiduwho

11-06-2008, 10:09 PM

This is interesting....very fun thinking.

Peavy and CC? Lol, our rotation would become comically good. 3 aces (Z, CC, Peavy), an oft-injured ace (Harden), and a #3 that can pitch like a #2 (Lilly).

DMBZeppelin

11-06-2008, 10:30 PM

This is interesting....very fun thinking.

Peavy and CC? Lol, our rotation would become comically good. 3 aces (Z, CC, Peavy), an oft-injured ace (Harden), and a #3 that can pitch like a #2 (Lilly).
As much as our offense could get a lot better. It was still the NL's best. So you bring back that offense with Z, Harden, CC, and Peavy. If you can't win it then... we'll never win it.

UCFish

11-06-2008, 10:38 PM

So with my brother banned maybe I can get the post lead back.

Thanks for the kind words. It is not my parents either.

Jonathan is just very opinionated.

Plus he is always drunk when he posts these crazy ass things.

bothedmbfan

11-06-2008, 11:19 PM

Then get Mark Cuban and his checkbook in here now!

I meant the Dodgers.

DMBZeppelin

11-07-2008, 01:47 AM

I'm so depressed... :(

Bidder pill for fans: No Cuban for Cubs

OWNERSHIP MESS | Selig, MLB's old guard want no part of Mavs' boss

DANA POINT, Calif. -- Throw out Sam Zell's idea of selling the Cubs by the end of the year because he still hasn't reached his goal of narrowing the field from five bidders to two. And sources close to commissioner Bud Selig sounded an alarm this week during the annual general managers meetings: Forget about Mark Cuban buying the Cubs.

Cuban, the Dallas Mavericks' owner, was the fan favorite, the guy who liked to drink beer, watch the game from the bleachers and spend money. He was the most appealing bidder to Zell's group, who knew Cuban could swing the quickest transaction for a team and ballpark that at one time figured to fetch $1 billion.

Global financial crisis or not, baseball's old guard plans to stand firm against letting Cuban into the club. ''There's no way Bud and the owners are going to let that happen,'' a Major League Baseball source said this week. ''Zero chance.''

This would be a blow to Zell and Cubs fans who are eager to get finality on a team that's in limbo.

On Opening Day 2007, the Cubs officially went on the market. Zell's group was hoping for a quick transaction, certainly before Opening Day 2008. That same MLB source promised a deal won't be done by Opening Day 2009.

''We'll be standing here at next year's GM meetings,'' the source said, ''and this will still be unresolved.''

Slow movement

All of this likely will put the group headed by John Canning Jr. -- Selig's personal favorite -- back as the front-runner.

Either way, the slow process figures to have a financial effect on the Cubs, who are pursuing expensive San Diego Padres ace Jake Peavy and still have their eyes on free-agent pitchers Ryan Dempster and CC Sabathia. A potential deal for Baltimore Orioles second baseman Brian Roberts, who's a year away from free agency, could include a new, richer contract.

Already, the payroll figures to make a significant jump in '09 with so many backloaded contracts. Among the notable pay raises, outfielder Kosuke Fukudome goes from $6 million to $11.5 million, pitcher Ted Lilly from $7 million to $12 million, pitcher Jason Marquis from $6.37 million to $9.87 million, left fielder Alfonso Soriano from $13 million to $16 million, third baseman Aramis Ramirez from $14 million to $15.65 million and pitcher Carlos Zambrano from $15 million to $17.5 million.

Will the Cubs' ownership question put a crimp in general manager Jim Hendry's ambitious offseason plans?

''We'll be given a fair payroll number,'' Hendry said. ''I don't have a final figure yet, but there is no indication that we are going to go backward. We're in the middle of a pretty good situation. The last couple of years, we've got it going in the right direction, and we don't have an old team. We still have a lot of positives, and our [minor-league and scouting] departments are doing real well.''

Global crisis

Had Cuban purchased the Cubs, there was a feeling he'd open the checkbook even wider to end the team's 100-year World Series title drought. But this week at the GM meetings, Selig cautioned executives to be prudent in the face of the world financial crisis.

''There are some very real issues in the global economy,'' White Sox GM Ken Williams said. ''For any of us to believe this isn't going to ultimately affect our business, you have to have your head in the sand.''

Hendry agreed.

''We've all been fortunate with the Cubs to work for a great company that increased payrolls the last couple of years, even with the club for sale,'' Hendry said. ''And I was fortunate enough that they gave me a contract extension without a new owner in place. We have a lot to be thankful for.

''At the same time, you face the reality of the world that it's very tough economic times.''

And it's becoming clear Mark Cuban won't ride in to save the day.
Sam Zell is our only hope. He's such an asshole and could care less about the politics or what Selig wants. He'd have to fight tooth and nail, but maybe just maybe we have a small sliver of hope. But this obviously tells us that it's going to be a bumpy road to get this team in the hands of Cuban.

UCFish

11-07-2008, 01:54 AM

That sucks.

Ev42

11-07-2008, 02:16 AM

fuck i hate Bud Selig so much

bothedmbfan

11-07-2008, 02:34 AM

Come on Zell. If he gets this done...do we love him forever?

DMBZeppelin

11-07-2008, 02:45 AM

Come on Zell. If he gets this done...do we love him forever?
Yes.

gocubsgo3822

11-07-2008, 03:12 AM

bothedmbfan

11-07-2008, 03:57 AM

What in the hell?

gocubsgo3822

11-07-2008, 04:22 AM

cubs....

Sou1 So1di3r

11-07-2008, 04:25 AM

What... the.. fuck.

gocubsgo3822

11-07-2008, 04:26 AM

"
A well-placed source said the Cubs had received "more than one" trade inquiry about Fukudome, meaning other teams believe in his talent."

thank god

gocubsgo3822

11-07-2008, 04:28 AM

i hope we can get rid of dome

gocubsgo3822

11-07-2008, 04:37 AM

"The key to the Braves deal is sending infielder Yunel Escobar to San Diego. A source said Peavy, who can veto any trade, worries the Braves won't be competitive without Escobar. That concern could kill the deal or nudge Peavy into seeking a lucrative new contract."

Peavy is ours.... :)

Sou1 So1di3r

11-07-2008, 04:47 AM

I am gonna feel bad if Fuk does amazing over the offseason and we trade him then he is a monster. :(

DMBZeppelin

11-07-2008, 05:27 AM

I am gonna feel bad if Fuk does amazing over the offseason and we trade him then he is a monster. :(
You saw what he can do when he's on his game. In Japan they have a shorter season, very little travel (it's not that big), and he knew all the pitchers. Why do you think he was able to get that hit in Game 3? He should have started that game.

He gets and offseason to rest, and get himself back on track. They always say your first time doing 162 game is the hardest. Ask Theriot who wore down in August and Sept. Now while it's entirely possible Fukudome will regain his early 07' form. It's also possible he won't. Pitchers adjusted to him, and now he needs to adjust back.

Hendry, Lou, and our scouts need to determine what they truly believe about Fuk. If they don't think he's worth the money, then they should trade him. Hell his defense in Petco could help out the Padres.

DMBZeppelin

11-07-2008, 05:35 AM

MLBTradeRumors.com tidbits:

Rosenthal: Cubs Want Peavy And Dempster

Ken Rosenthal is working overtime today with his second column (http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/8761340/Sources:-Cubs-after-Peavy,-still-eyeing-Dempster?CMP=OTC-K9B140813162&ATT=3498). This time Rosenthal reports that the Cubs are willing to give Ryan Dempster a four-year deal even if they land Jake Peavy from the Padres.
The club also is willing to give Dempster a four-year contract, sources say, a decision that should put them in good position to retain the free-agent right-hander.

Even though the Cubs are for sale, team officials apparently believe that they can absorb the four years and $63 million remaining on Peavy's contract while committing at least $50 million to Dempster over the same term.
Rosenthal notes the close relationship between Dempster and Jim Hendry could keep Dempster from accepting a longer or more lucrative deal with another team.

However, Rosenthal notes there would likely be a ripple effect on the roster if the Cubs were to resign Dempster and trade for Peavy.

The Cubs would likely be unable to resign Kerry Wood.
Several players may have to be traded to reduce payroll, including Jason Marquis.
May have to opt for a cheaper left-handed hitting outfielder than originally thought.
The Cubs really REALLY need to re-sign Wood. What if Marmol can't close?

DMBZeppelin

11-07-2008, 05:42 AM

Jake Peavy Rumors: Thursday

8:55am: Let's kick off a new Jake Peavy post. Last we heard (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2008/11/jake-peavy-ru-2.html), Ken Rosenthal was suggesting the Cubs moved ahead of the Braves as the frontrunner.

11:27am: Chris De Luca says (http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/cubs/1264646,cubs-peavy-110608.article) the Cubs are in heavy pursuit of Peavy, partially because of steep contract demands from Ryan Dempster. He's heard Dempster wants five years, $75MM.

No deal is imminent, but De Luca wonders if pitchers Sean Marshall, Rich Harden, or Jeff Samardzija could be involved. Samardzija has a no-trade clause.

3:03pm: Peter Abraham says (http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/11/06/yankees-not-in-the-mix-for-peavy/) that Kevin Towers has told Peavy that he will be traded and that negotiations have been narrowed to three teams. The Yankees are not in the mix as all three clubs are in the NL. Abraham speculates that in addition to the Cubs and Braves, the third team could be the Astros or Cardinals.

4:00pm: Chris De Luca has updated (http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/cubs/1264646,cubs-peavy-110608.article) his earlier piece and now says Dempster is seeking five years, $70MM.

4:05pm: Ken Rosenthal has (http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/8765068) some of the names being offered by the Braves for Peavy. According to Rosenthal, the Braves are offering Yunel Escobar, either Jo-Jo Reyes or Charlie Morton and an unnamed player believed to be a top prospect. Rosenthal does not have any details on the Cubs' package but notes that it is likely to be "fluid".
I forgot about Shark's no-trade clause. I doubt he'd allow himself to be traded to a crap team.

devilandthelord

11-07-2008, 05:45 AM

DMBZeppelin

11-07-2008, 05:55 AM

Seemingly, the Padres would attempt to acquire a shortstop in a Jake Peavy trade if they move Greene. Yunel Escobar and Ronny Cedeno have been mentioned in rumors. The Reds' interest in Greene seems to indicate a lack of faith in Alex Gonzalez, presumably next year's starting shortstop.

Mets Rumors: Fuentes, Cordero, Delgado

5:18pm: More on the Mets: Ken Davidoff says (http://blogs.trb.com/sports/baseball/blog/2008/11/gms_meetings_one_final_wrapup.html) they're shopping Aaron Heilman, Scott Schoeneweis, and Pedro Feliciano. The A's, Rays, and Rangers are fans of Heilman. The Rockies, Cardinals, Cubs, and D'Backs were also tossed into the mix by Adam Rubin (http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/mets/2008/11/04/2008-11-04_derek_lowe_tops_wish_list_for_omar_minay.html), though the D'Backs haven't had recent talks (http://www.azcentral.com/members/Blog/NickPiecoro/38442). The Mets would be willing to pick up some of the $3.6MM owed to Schoeneweis next year.

10:56am: Checking in on the Mets...

Ryan Dempster and Jon Garland may be on the radar, as Minaya met with their agent yesterday. Dempster's agent said (http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/mets/2008/11/05/2008-11-05_mets_gm_omar_minaya_fishing_for_chad_cor.html) he can handle New York.
The more I read on the Dempster situation, the more I want him gone.

DMBZeppelin

11-07-2008, 07:03 AM

Harden better not be involved.

Cuz if we get Peavy, and also re-sign Demps,

it would be:

Z
Peavy
Harden
Demps
Lilly

Holy shit.

And I'd like not trade the Shark. I like his potential a lot.
If it had to be one guy for sure I'd have to say Marshall even though I like him a lot too.

As far as Wood goes, I'd like to re-sign him, but if we don't I do have confidence that Marmol will thrive as the closer.
Keep in mind, we didn't know if Wood could close last year either.
I don't think we'd trade Harden. He's too dominant. I doubt the Padres would want such a risky piece. Especially since he's about to be a Free Agent. What would be the point for them? Peavy and Harden are similar in age. Except Peavy is tied up long term.

DMBZeppelin

11-07-2008, 07:41 AM

I'll be honest, I've been thinking about it. If Hendry can get Peavy without giving up Vitters or Pie as far as specs go. I'll offically know he's a great GM. Because the only major leaguers I'd expect us to give up are Marshall and Cedeno, but that's more then fair. I like Cedeno but we don't need him. I love Marshall, but he wouldn't start over Marquis for w/e reason.

DMBZeppelin

11-07-2008, 10:00 AM

Baseball sources in Japan contend that the Sox are the perceived front-runner to sign free agent Junichi Tazawa, a hard-throwing 22-year-old right-hander. Unlike Daisuke Matsuzaka, who had to go through a costly posting process in November 2006, Tazawa is free to sign with any Major League Baseball team without compensation.

Tazawa pitched for a company team in Japan but hasn’t played professionally in his native country. He notified teams several months ago that he wished to play in North America and didn’t want to be drafted. Nippon Professional Baseball complied.

The Sox have been the most aggressive team with regard to Tazawa, who is also being courted by the Atlanta Braves, Florida Marlins and Chicago Cubs, among others. Tazawa throws a mid-90s fastball, a 12-6 overhand curveball and a split-finger fastball as part of his repertoire.

A source with knowledge of Tazawa’s plans hinted that he might be searching for a major league contract. The Sox do have a history of occasionally granting such deals to amateur players (reliever Craig Hanson, 2005). It’s unclear whether the Sox would consider such a perk for Tazawa, or even whether they believe he’s ready to pitch at the major league level."
I didn't realize we were targeting Tazawa. Since it wouldn't be costly at all to sign him, I hope we pull that off.

funksoul

11-07-2008, 10:32 AM

I'm giddy knowing this. I mean there's a lot of reasons I wouldn't want to give up Pie and Marshall. He's signed through 2012 with a 2013 club option.

If we get Peavy, that puts no pressure on us to overpay for Dempster.

Whatever those reasons are getting Jake PEavy is better. I'll give him Smardzja if they want too. I mean we are tlaking a top 10 starter in his mid 20's and we are giving them what exactly? A CFer who can't keep a job in the majors, a #4 starter at best and Jeff...a nice young bullpen arm who has potential to start one day. That's a C-, a C, and a B+ for a bona fide A in my opinion!!

41ravens

11-07-2008, 12:51 PM

"zero chance" mlb would approve cuban's bid to purchase cubs.

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/deluca/1266088,CST-SPT-deluca07.article

DMBZeppelin

11-07-2008, 02:02 PM

Whatever those reasons are getting Jake PEavy is better. I'll give him Smardzja if they want too. I mean we are tlaking a top 10 starter in his mid 20's and we are giving them what exactly? A CFer who can't keep a job in the majors, a #4 starter at best and Jeff...a nice young bullpen arm who has potential to start one day. That's a C-, a C, and a B+ for a bona fide A in my opinion!!
I said I was giddy becaue given all that I was happy about it. Pie hasn't had a chance to keep the job. Marshall has constantly risen to the occasion, and I think he's a solid #3 with #2 potential. The Padres think he can 13-14 games a year for them. Shark has a no trade clause which can be tricky. Though he'd be the one I'm least sad about giving up, as his control is just not there.

gocubsgo3822

11-07-2008, 04:28 PM

its bullshit cuban cant own

DMBZeppelin

11-07-2008, 10:21 PM

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?page=winterforecast/081107/cubs

Chicago Cubs Overview
GM: Jim Hendry
Manager: Lou Piniella
08' Record: 97-64, 1st in NL Central
08' Payroll: $117.9M, 8th in MLB
Runs Scored: 855, 1st in NL
Runs Allowed: 671, 15th in NL
OPS: .797, 1st in NL
ERA: 3.87, 3rd in NL
Fielding percentage: .983, T-9th in NL

Dempster among the Cubs' top offseason priorities

The Cubs, under manager Lou Piniella, returned to the playoffs for a second consecutive season. But their 100-year World Series drought continued as they were swept in the first round for the second season in a row, this time by Manny Ramirez (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?playerId=2974) and the Los Angeles Dodgers (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/clubhouse?team=lad).

With Ryan Dempster (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?playerId=3845) and Ted Lilly (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?playerId=4062) both winning 17 games, the Cubs captured the NL Central with 97 wins. Catcher Geovany Soto (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?playerId=6428) delivered a performance worthy of Rookie of the Year, but everything fell apart in October. The Cubs, who led the majors with a plus-184 run differential, were outscored 20-6 by the Dodgers after being outscored 16-6 by Arizona in the 2007 Division Series.

Primary needs

The flaws are in the eyes of the beholder. The Cubs have built one of the strongest teams in their history, with no glaring voids, but have gone all Alex Rodriguez (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?playerId=3115) in the playoffs. If they could import one ideal player, he would be a team leader with an October résumé, and it wouldn't hurt if he was a left-handed-hitting run producer, as Kosuke Fukudome (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?playerId=28948) failed to fill that need. Raul Ibanez (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?playerId=3504) is on their radar.

Free agents

RHP Ryan Dempster, RHP Kerry Wood (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?playerId=3821), CF Jim Edmonds (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?playerId=2993), RHP Bob Howry (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?playerId=3875), OF/1B Daryle Ward (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?playerId=3841), RHP Jon Lieber (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?playerId=3075), RHP Chad Fox (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?playerId=3689)

Both Dempster and Wood are Jim Hendry loyalists who love playing at Wrigley Field, but that doesn't mean they'll be snaps to re-sign. Both have been bargains and could receive tempting offers if Hendry isn't able to keep them off the market. Edmonds filled a role in 2008 but will probably be allowed to walk to open a spot for Felix Pie (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?playerId=6475). Howry could be deemed expendable.

Trade bait

Fukudome, with three years and $38 million left on his contract, is probably an immovable part. Ditto left fielder Alfonso Soriano (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?playerId=3993), a repeat October offender who has six years and $106 million left on his contract. If Dempster re-signs, the Cubs could have pitching to trade, possibly Jason Marquis (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?playerId=4409) or left-handers Sean Marshall (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?playerId=6489) and Rich Hill (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?playerId=6321), the latter hoping to get his career turned back around this winter in Venezuela.

Farm aid

Jeff Samardzija (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?playerId=29166), the former Notre Dame wide receiver, contributed to the bullpen down the stretch and would love a shot to join the deep starting rotation. Micah Hoffpauir (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?playerId=29135), a 28-year-old first baseman who has been learning to play the outfield, batted .358 with 27 homers and 108 RBIs in 104 games between Triple-A Iowa and Chicago and could be ready for a real opportunity. Jose Ceda, a Lee Smith type, is rising fast and could emerge as a set-up man if Carlos Marmol (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?playerId=28486) winds up in the closer's role.

Outlook

Hendry faces difficult decisions with a roster loaded with veterans with long-term, expensive contracts. He may have no choice but to stick with the same core group of players, as Carlos Zambrano (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?playerId=4499), Aramis Ramirez (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?playerId=3853), Derrek Lee (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?playerId=3614), Soriano and Fukudome are owed a combined $289.5 million over 18 seasons. All five have no-trade clauses. The availability of Jake Peavy (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?playerId=5019) clearly intrigues Hendry, who is afraid of losing Dempster.

It's been almost two years since the Tribune Company announced plans to sell the team, but the deal is as cloudy as ever after Wall Street's recent retreat. Club chairman Crane Kenney embarrassed the organization by bringing in a Greek Orthodox priest to bless the Wrigley Field dugout before Game 1 of the Dodgers series. So much for Piniella's ongoing efforts to distance the Lovable Losers from their sad history.
This is from ESPN and there Winter Forecast.

Ev42

11-07-2008, 11:24 PM

The more I read on the Dempster situation, the more I want him gone.

same here. go to new york and walk 7 in a playoff game, if they could ever get to the playoffs

HolyCow

11-08-2008, 02:42 AM

I've been looking it over and next week, I'll give you my entire synopsis of what needs to happen this offseason. I know you're all dying to hear.

UCFish

11-08-2008, 02:48 AM

Why is jonathan not banned.

Damn it. :)

Love you bro.

UCFish

11-08-2008, 02:48 AM

I've been looking it over and next week, I'll give you my entire synopsis of what needs to happen this offseason. I know you're all dying to hear.

Offense in the postseason FTW?

DMBZeppelin

11-08-2008, 03:26 AM

Offense in the postseason FTW?
:lol

gocubsgo3822

11-08-2008, 04:47 AM

Why is jonathan not banned.

Damn it. :)

Love you bro.

:lol

on another note i saw michael phelps tonight at the bar i was at.. which leads to what did u do.. the answer is nothing. he has been in columbia for the past week with one of his best friends who swims for carolina (who transferred from michigan) i respect what he did so much for this country that i will let him be....

the answer to your question michael is "yes we can!"

DMBZeppelin

11-08-2008, 02:29 PM

Padres cut Peavy finalists to 3 teams

Cubs, Braves, Dodgers in the hunt

Padres general manager Kevin Towers was back home in San Diego on Friday, sifting through the possibilities that will allow him to trade former Cy Young Award winner Jake Peavy to the Cubs, the Atlanta Braves or -- in a long-shot deal -- the Los Angeles Dodgers.

A resolution is expected within the next week.

Those teams are the finalists and, sources say, no other teams will be considered at this point. That throws out the St. Louis Cardinals, Houston Astros and New York Yankees -- unless an unexpected hurdle pops up.

This is more complicated than most offseason trades. Peavy has no-trade protection that gives him final approval on the transaction. Once Towers settles on what he thinks is the best deal, he must approach Peavy for a final OK.

Peavy is owed $56 million over the next four years and might ask his new employer to rework his contract or immediately pick up his 2013 option worth $22 million.

So the waiting game played out Friday, the day after the annual general managers meetings ended in Dana Point, Calif.

The Padres would like a major-league-ready starting pitcher, a reliever who could work the late innings and a middle infielder, and are hoping to get a three-for-one or four-for-one deal for Peavy. Towers said he is open to a three- or four-team swap, though that appears unlikely.

Since the day Peavy was being shopped, the Braves seemed to be the best fit. They have better overall young talent to land Peavy and reportedly are inclined to part with shortstop Yunel Escobar, highly regarded pitching prospect Charlie Morton and top outfield prospect Jordan Schafer. The Padres evidently want Class AA right-hander Tommy Hanson, a name the Braves so far haven't been willing to include.

A source in San Diego expected that the Padres would ask the Cubs about top pitching prospect Jeff Samardzija, who has full no-trade protection. If Samardzija's name entered the equation, the answer would be no. The Cubs are said to be pushing a deal built around left-hander Sean Marshall. Right-handed reliever Kevin Hart also could be included in the package, and even lefty-hitting second baseman Mike Fontenot.

Ask manager Lou Piniella, and he will say the Cubs' biggest need is a left-handed bat with pop or a speedy leadoff hitter along the lines of the Baltimore Orioles' Brian Roberts. General manager Jim Hendry's philosophy has always been to build his team from the pitcher's mound out.

That's why, in the Cubs' perfect world, they would love to have Peavy and Ryan Dempster as part of a rotation that has Carlos Zambrano, Ted Lilly and Rich Harden already under control for 2009.

Dempster's deal has turned out to be trickier than imagined. He has expressed a desire to return to Chicago but also has let Hendry know he will test the open market, after the Cubs' window of exclusive negotiating closes Thursday. Dempster's initial asking price was five years and $70 million.

The Cubs are not inclined to top four years for a pitcher who turns 32 in May.

But don't forget Hendry's philosophy.

''In the end,'' Hendry said this week at the GM meetings, ''you want to make sure your pitching is good enough.''
If all this true, we're only 7 days away and a 50% shot from Peavy.

Ev42

11-08-2008, 05:13 PM

is furcal a free agent? i would love for him to be a cub. i heard the peavy deal will most likely be done by monday

DMBZeppelin

11-08-2008, 05:33 PM

is furcal a free agent? i would love for him to be a cub. i heard the peavy deal will most likely be done by monday
Yes, and his agent was reported as saying recently. "You have no idea how close he was to signing with the Cubs."

I sure as hell do. It was a done deal till the Dodger came in at the 11th hour to screw it up. Then of course Furcal breaks D-Lee's wrist, and since then hasn't had the monster power.

Because we didn't Furcal we over paid for Pierre who was only a 1 year rental... he messed us up good.

But ya I'd be happy if we can sign him.

FA's we're after:
Ryan Dempster
Kerry Wood
C.C. Sabathia
Raul Ibanez
Dayan Viciedo (Cuban rookie, defected. 19 years old and considered major league ready)

Players we'd trade for:
Jake Peavy
Brian Roberts

Tiduwho

11-08-2008, 07:03 PM

Brian Roberts is in his 30s already, I don't want him. Didn't want him last year either.

Ev42

11-08-2008, 07:38 PM

Yes, and his agent was reported as saying recently. "You have no idea how close he was to signing with the Cubs."

I sure as hell do. It was a done deal till the Dodger came in at the 11th hour to screw it up. Then of course Furcal breaks D-Lee's wrist, and since then hasn't had the monster power.

Because we didn't Furcal we over paid for Pierre who was only a 1 year rental... he messed us up good.

But ya I'd be happy if we can sign him.

FA's we're after:
Ryan Dempster
Kerry Wood
C.C. Sabathia
Raul Ibanez
Dayan Viciedo (Cuban rookie, defected. 19 years old and considered major league ready)

Players we'd trade for:
Jake Peavy
Brian Roberts

i could give two shits if we resign demp. he will not be the same next year

Ev42

11-08-2008, 07:39 PM

Brian Roberts is in his 30s already, I don't want him. Didn't want him last year either.

i wanted brian roberts last year and i still do.

DMBZeppelin

11-08-2008, 10:33 PM

Brian Roberts is in his 30s already, I don't want him. Didn't want him last year either.
When he raped us at Wrigley, and given the fact we need guys to get on ahead of D-Lee in the lineup. Roberts could be very good for us. Though it would all depend exactly what the O's want for him.

gocubsgo3822

11-10-2008, 03:50 PM

DMBZeppelin

11-10-2008, 05:30 PM

Congrats to Soto who won ROTY today!!!!!! He took 31-32 first place votes with only Joey Votto getting one other....

\in othe rnews Matt Holliday goes to Oakland.... Interesting.. i dont see them as being the type of team that goes after him
Oakland getting Matt Holliday made no sense to me since they've done nothing but try and get rid of EVERYONE the last two years.

But Soto deserved everything he got this season, and I still say he should have won the Gold Glove. I really do think he's better then Molina.

gocubsgo3822

11-10-2008, 11:21 PM

what are all of yalls thoughts about the willingham and olson deal to the nats... that was nothing... i am pissed. lets go get hermida now

devilandthelord

11-10-2008, 11:24 PM

I don't even get why they want Hermida.
We really can't find anyone better? Bullshit.

gocubsgo3822

11-10-2008, 11:27 PM

hermida will be good trust me.... he tears the shit out of the ball at wrigley too.. he was once rated as highly as jay bruce but does not like miami

gocubsgo3822

11-11-2008, 12:10 AM

check out this article from ESPN 1000;s bruce levine http://chicagocubsonline.com/archives/2008/11/cubsrumors11808.php

devilandthelord

11-11-2008, 12:28 AM

Hmm, it says the Shark is "not on the table".
That's good, I have a good feeling about his future.

(which probably means I jinxed him and he will need TJ surgery next year and never be good again)

devilandthelord

11-11-2008, 12:31 AM

Wow and they think Dempster will be on the market til mid-December.

I agree with Zep that I don't like all the talk I hear about Dempster.
He will not be as good as last year and is purely money-hungry.
Cut him loose.
But make sure you get Peavy.

DMBZeppelin

11-11-2008, 01:56 AM

hermida will be good trust me.... he tears the shit out of the ball at wrigley too.. he was once rated as highly as jay bruce but does not like miami
I'm not sold on the guy like you. In fact I like Pie more then I like Hermida. As Pie has started to turn it on in the majors after not even a full season. Hermida has tons of potential, but it's just as likely Fuk could turn it on as well next year. For all the Fuk hate you have, I wonder why you're so big on Hermida after looking at his Fuk like stats.

Regardless I'd LOVE it if the outfield next year is Soriano, Pie, Fuk, Hermida, and Johnson. So many combos you could work with there in terms of defensive outfield and/or speed outfield.

DMBZeppelin

11-11-2008, 02:02 AM

A report from Bruce Miles on Friday (http://blogs.dailyherald.com/blog/18) gave Jim Hendry "a 50-50 shot at landing Peavy" and Miles said Jeff Samardzija is "NOT on the table" in the Peavy talks. Miles added in another report that the following names have been discussed in the Peavy talks with the Padres (http://www.dailyherald.com/story/?id=249007):

Sean Marshall
Felix Pie
Ronny Cedeno
Jose Ceda
Welington Castillo
Josh Vitters
Mitch Atkins
Not all of those players would be involved in the deal but each have been bantered about and the Padres have asked about Castillo, Vitters and Atkins....each of those players have stepped to the top of the Cubs' prospect list, with Vitters being the Cubs top minor league prospect last season according to Baseball America.
I'll tell you right now I think it's possible for Hendry to build a package around quantity.

Honestly I'd offer Marshall, Cedeno, Ceda, Castillo, Atkins, and not mentioned in the above but Veal and/or Sam Fuld if you have to. If we can keep Pie and Vitters I'd be so thrilled. I really felt given his numbers where Pie was hitting .285 in his last 15 games during his first stint in the majors this year. Followed by hitting .300 AVG with a .391 OBP in Sept. He's about to really turn it on.

Maybe the best thing in the world is that he struggled and hurt his trade value a little bit. Because the Padres might not be obssessed with getting him like they are some of the Braves spects that they won't trade.

I will say for the record, I'll hate giving up Marshall. I love him as our swing man. The long reliever/starter. He does it all for us, and not many pitchers can do that AND be effective. Usually guys who do that are just ok, and there to eat up innings. Marshall has started and dueled it was some aces, and pitched important innings out of the pen.

Though in my mind Marshall is a starter. Bottom line is I'd rather have Peavy then Marshall, so if we have to give him up then so be it.

gocubsgo3822

11-11-2008, 10:04 AM

funksoul

11-11-2008, 11:12 AM

Bron Yr Aur

11-11-2008, 11:46 AM

Oakland getting Matt Holliday made no sense to me since they've done nothing but try and get rid of EVERYONE the last two years.

But Soto deserved everything he got this season, and I still say he should have won the Gold Glove. I really do think he's better then Molina.

Well, although I haven't looked at what they lost very closely, I don't think it was all that much considering what they stand to gain. He's almost certainly going to be there for one year, and if they are good this year, he obviously helps a lot, but they will just trade him away next year to get even more prospects.

I'm glad that last report doesn't have Fontenot in the mix for that Peavy deal. I really like Fontenot and his chances to be a really solid player for us. The guy knows how to hit the ball.

I will say for the record, I'll hate giving up Marshall. I love him as our swing man. The long reliever/starter. He does it all for us, and not many pitchers can do that AND be effective. Usually guys who do that are just ok, and there to eat up innings. Marshall has started and dueled it was some aces, and pitched important innings out of the pen.

Though in my mind Marshall is a starter. Bottom line is I'd rather have Peavy then Marshall, so if we have to give him up then so be it.

I agree with all of this. Marshall has been so so solid for us, especially last season out of the bullpen. If we get Peavy we will still have an extremely good top 4 in the rotation regardless of whether Dempster stays or goes.

DMBZeppelin

11-11-2008, 04:43 PM

id rather have peavy than marshall too.. i just dont think we have ever given sean a fair shot to start.. i think he has turned the corner and will be a good one... i really dont want to get rid of cedeno... i like him so much more than theriot.
You are crazy if you think Cedeno is better then Theriot. As a shortstop I'd agree, but not as an all around player. I think Theriot starts at shortstop because Theriot/DeRosa is a better hitting combo then Cedeno/Theriot. I'm sure if we sign furcal at shortstop though, Theriot will be our second basemen.
I'm glad that last report doesn't have Fontenot in the mix for that Peavy deal. I really like Fontenot and his chances to be a really solid player for us. The guy knows how to hit the ball.
Fontenot is a weird player. He came up in 2007 and was really hot. Then he literally was our everyday player. It wore him down and he fell into a horrible slump.

This year he was never a regular starter, and came off the bench a lot. It could be he's a guy who will never be able to start, and just an elite bench bat. I'm also not sure he's all that solid. He's got a decent bat, but his defense isn't that good.

As much as I like sneaky power. I'd give him up over Marshall, Pie, and Ceda without a second thought.

JaJunk

11-11-2008, 04:45 PM

Are we really going to give up Vitters and a pitcher for Peavy? Say it ain't so.

funksoul

11-11-2008, 05:03 PM

Are we really going to give up Vitters and a pitcher for Peavy? Say it ain't so.

Why?

gocubsgo3822

11-11-2008, 05:38 PM

Sou1 So1di3r

11-11-2008, 06:54 PM

Sou1 So1di3r

11-11-2008, 06:55 PM

Get rid of fucking cendeno PLEASE

funksoul

11-11-2008, 07:04 PM

DMBZeppelin

11-11-2008, 07:34 PM

"The Jake Peavy to the Cubs rumors will not die, and today they took a turn for the interesting.

A source within the Padres organization claims that it’s “basically a done deal” (whatever basically means) that Peavy is headed to Chicago, and that the Cubs will send back Felix Pie, Sean Marshall and Ryan Theriot."

Please god be true that we can get rid of theriot!!!!!!
Wouldn't be thrilled about what we'd be giving up, but I'd still be all for that trade. I'd still like to know why you hate Theriot.

Theriot: 148 Games, 178 Hits, .307 AVG, .387 OBP, 73 Walks, 58 K's, 22 stolen bases
Cedeno: 99 Games, 58 Hits, .269 AVG, .328 OBP, 18 Walks, 41 K's, 4 stolen bases

Just like... how can you be all about dumping Theriot for Cedeno. This makes no sense to me. Neither are that old. If this is about Cedeno's better range at SS I still don't understand. Theriot is a better fielder, and is a natural second basemen.

If we do get Furcal, Cedeno will stay a backup for play second base. Which I doubt because I think DeRosa would play over Cedeno. I dunno, just like a little insight in why Theriot is bad in your opinion. Though I doubt we'd trade him because Piniella loves him, and has says he'll be the kind of player apart of a few World Series teams.

gocubsgo3822

11-11-2008, 10:19 PM

Wouldn't be thrilled about what we'd be giving up, but I'd still be all for that trade. I'd still like to know why you hate Theriot.

Theriot: 148 Games, 178 Hits, .307 AVG, .387 OBP, 73 Walks, 58 K's, 22 stolen bases
Cedeno: 99 Games, 58 Hits, .269 AVG, .328 OBP, 18 Walks, 41 K's, 4 stolen bases

Just like... how can you be all about dumping Theriot for Cedeno. This makes no sense to me. Neither are that old. If this is about Cedeno's better range at SS I still don't understand. Theriot is a better fielder, and is a natural second basemen.

If we do get Furcal, Cedeno will stay a backup for play second base. Which I doubt because I think DeRosa would play over Cedeno. I dunno, just like a little insight in why Theriot is bad in your opinion. Though I doubt we'd trade him because Piniella loves him, and has says he'll be the kind of player apart of a few World Series teams.

to funk soul

i saw it on some fucking blog type thing where the guy says he has a credible source in the padres FO... i did some research on the blog and it seems legit...

to zep... i believe cedenos stats are a result of not consistent playing time. I think theriot is overrated might have the worst range at SS and pussiest arm there too.. Not to mention he has no power. I am not even talking home run i am talking doubles too. ANd he cant steal bases at an acceptable rate yet he runs all the time. I hate him

devilandthelord

11-11-2008, 10:34 PM

That is true about Theriot's base stealing.
I noticed that this year, and looked up his profile to check.
Yeah he stole 22 bases this year, but he got caught 13 times.
That's not a good ratio at all.

As far as his power goes, I'm sure the Cubs would like to have someone with more, but I heard a quote from him earlier this year about how he basically quit trying to hit for power in the bigs when he realized he wasn't gonna be a successful homerun hitter. He shortened up his swing, started going to the opposite field more and it worked out.
If we are going to have him, I'm ok with him not hitting for power, as long as he gets on base and hits over .300.
That said, I'd still shift Cedeno to SS if we could get Roberts.
And D-Ro could play for Fuk in RF.
That'd be fine with me.

UCFish

11-11-2008, 10:50 PM

I would like Peavy.

I like the RIOT but never liked his power ability. Although I swear Cedeno gets lucky every time he swings. I do not understand how he has ever got a hit.

Pie I could go either way with.

Demps should stop being so concerned about money. I like him but do not think he deserves huge money because of one season.

At LAX flying back to SF for the next three days!

gocubsgo3822

11-11-2008, 11:01 PM

have fun... just applied today.... how long u think that shit takes?

UCFish

11-11-2008, 11:02 PM

I dunno a little while.

I got my position about a month before graduation.

Newport Beach the hotel is a shithole though. I swear to god everyday I see something new and awful.

gocubsgo3822

11-11-2008, 11:19 PM

nice good shit well have fun in san fran

davehead86

11-12-2008, 12:06 AM

Whats the news on wood? Any at all?

DMBZeppelin

11-12-2008, 12:13 AM

Whats the news on wood? Any at all?
From everything I've ever read about Wood, including what players have said about him. If the Wood is not with the Cubs next year, it will be because the A.) The Cubs didn't want him B.) Wouldn't take a reasonable offer.

Many Cubs have talked about how much he loves it here, how involved in the community him and Sarah (believe that's his wife's name) are. He has a home here, his kids are growing up here. He took less money to stay here last year when he had bigger offers out there with teams still willing to gamble with him as a starter.

I know the Mets have Wood on their radar. But as long as the Cubs are reasonable and not "Oh we know you'll take scraps, so you should." because Wood is not trying to milk them like Dempster. If the Cubs made him a respectable offer, and the Yankees threw him a blank check. I'd be willing to bet he'd still be a Cub. He wants to be here. He should be here. I will never forgive the Cubs if he's not here.

gocubsgo3822

11-12-2008, 12:16 AM

i dont see wood back

DMBZeppelin

11-12-2008, 12:25 AM

i dont see wood back
Even if we don't sign Dumpster? And why?

Ev42

11-12-2008, 12:52 AM

wood is nothing like demp. the cubs better make him an offer

gocubsgo3822

11-12-2008, 12:56 AM

i think wood wants too many years and it just isnt prudent to invest that in a 65 inning pitcher at the max

gocubsgo3822

11-12-2008, 01:06 AM

i have come to the conclusion he is going to go to the braves..... thats fine with me if we can then use his money and re up wood and dempster.... now the interesting part is what we do with the other 14 million that we were planning on reupping dempster with if we got peavy... my answer???

Furcal and trade for hermida... or sign Ibanez (whom has more RBIs than manny over three year in a much worse park)

Lineup

Furcal SS
Lee 1B
Soriano LF
Ibanez RF
Ramirez 3B
Soto C
DeRosa/ Fonty 2B
Dome/Johnson CF

or adam dunn... he would set a record for balls onto sheffield

DMBZeppelin

11-12-2008, 01:30 AM

i think wood wants too many years and it just isnt prudent to invest that in a 65 inning pitcher at the max
Um, Wood is a closer who gets the job done. I don't care about innings as much as I do saves. He's an All-Star closer and only going to get better. Wouldn't surprise me if he saves about 40 next season.
i have come to the conclusion he is going to go to the braves..... thats fine with me if we can then use his money and re up wood and dempster.... now the interesting part is what we do with the other 14 million that we were planning on reupping dempster with if we got peavy... my answer???

Furcal and trade for hermida... or sign Ibanez (whom has more RBIs than manny over three year in a much worse park)

Lineup

Furcal SS
Lee 1B
Soriano LF
Ibanez RF
Ramirez 3B
Soto C
DeRosa/ Fonty 2B
Dome/Johnson CF

or adam dunn... he would set a record for balls onto sheffield
Screw Dunn, and from what I've read Hermida is staying put after the Marlins did that Nats trade.

gocubsgo3822

11-12-2008, 01:40 AM

nah i think that makes it more than likely that he goes from what i have heard through different readings today hermida is still gone

DMBZeppelin

11-12-2008, 01:44 AM

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/features/cy

Cy Young Predictor
In the The Neyer/James Guide To Pitchers -- co-authored by Bill James and ESPN.com’s Rob Neyer, and published this summer by Fireside -- James presents a method, based on past results, to predict Cy Young balloting. This page provides an in-season snapshot of the Cy Young "race," as figured by the following formula: Cy Young Points (CYP) = ((5*IP/9)-ER) + (SO/12) + (SV*2.5) + Shutouts + ((W*6)-(L*2)) + VB (see below) Victory Bonus (VB): A 12-point bonus awarded for leading your team to the division champsionship (pro-rated based on the current standings).

1. Tim Lincecum, SF
2. Brandon Webb, Ari
3. Johan Santana, NYM
4. Ryan Dempster, ChC
5. Jose Valverde, Hou
6. Brad Lidge, Phi
7. Chad Billingsley, LAD
8. Edinson Volquez, Cin
9. Cole Hamels, Phi
10. Kerry Wood, ChC
The formula above is used to figure out the Cy Youngs. Cliff Lee will win the AL according to the forumla, with K-Rod coming in 2nd. Regardless I thought it was awesome that Wood's stats were good enough for him to come in 10th even though he missed most of July with that stupid blister.

gocubsgo3822

11-12-2008, 01:46 AM

gocubsgo3822

11-12-2008, 01:47 AM

Wouldn't be thrilled about what we'd be giving up, but I'd still be all for that trade. I'd still like to know why you hate Theriot.

Theriot: 148 Games, 178 Hits, .307 AVG, .387 OBP, 73 Walks, 58 K's, 22 stolen bases
Cedeno: 99 Games, 58 Hits, .269 AVG, .328 OBP, 18 Walks, 41 K's, 4 stolen bases

Just like... how can you be all about dumping Theriot for Cedeno. This makes no sense to me. Neither are that old. If this is about Cedeno's better range at SS I still don't understand. Theriot is a better fielder, and is a natural second basemen.

If we do get Furcal, Cedeno will stay a backup for play second base. Which I doubt because I think DeRosa would play over Cedeno. I dunno, just like a little insight in why Theriot is bad in your opinion. Though I doubt we'd trade him because Piniella loves him, and has says he'll be the kind of player apart of a few World Series teams.

The formula above is used to figure out the Cy Youngs. Cliff Lee will win the AL according to the forumla, with K-Rod coming in 2nd. Regardless I thought it was awesome that Wood's stats were good enough for him to come in 10th even though he missed most of July with that stupid blister.

interesting article i redact my last post

DMBZeppelin

11-12-2008, 01:49 AM

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3695551

Cubs jump into Peavy trade talks, eye three-team deal

The Atlanta Braves (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/clubhouse?team=atl) and San Diego Padres (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/clubhouse?team=sdg) continue to make progress in trade negotiations around pitcher Jake Peavy (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?playerId=5019), but at the same time, San Diego is talking with the Chicago Cubs (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/clubhouse?team=chn) about the All-Star -- with the Padres and Chicago engaging a third team as part of their proposals.

Some sources believe that a trade of Peavy, while not imminent, is inevitable, and could occur prior to Thanksgiving. The Padres are in the midst of a significant payroll cut: If San Diego -- which withdrew a contract offer to closer Trevor Hoffman (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?playerId=2817) on Monday night -- eventually trades both Peavy and Brian Giles (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?playerId=3382), as expected, then the team's 2009 payroll will be about half of what it was in 2008.

The Braves and Padres have settled on two pieces of the package that Atlanta would send to San Diego -- shortstop Yunel Escobar (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?playerId=28662) and outfield prospect Gorkys Hernandez. The Braves likely would include one of two young pitchers, either Charlie Morton (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?playerId=29155) or Jo-Jo Reyes (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?playerId=28820). The two sides are at odds over the other pieces in the deal; the Padres are known to have interest in young pitcher Jeffrey Locke.

The Cubs and Padres have talked about a deal built around Josh Vitters, the Cubs' top pick from 2007. But unlike the Braves, Chicago is not steeped in pitching, and so the Padres and Cubs are in the process of drawing in a third team to their talks, and that third team would be the side that would flip the pitching necessary to San Diego, in order to make the deal work for the Padres.

Peavy, 27, won the 2007 Cy Young Award, and went 10-11 with a 2.85 ERA in 2008. He is signed through 2013, and currently, he has a full no-trade clause and the right to veto any proposal. The Braves and Cubs are among the teams that he would consider, as he has indicated to the Padres.

During the process of considering possible deals for Peavy, the Padres have talked with numerous teams, including the Los Angeles Dodgers (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/clubhouse?team=lad), Los Angeles Angels (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/clubhouse?team=laa), Houston Astros (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/clubhouse?team=hou) and New York Yankees (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/clubhouse?team=nyy).
This is what ESPN.com has on the matter. Little different then what GoCubsGo heard from his friend, but who knows.

DMBZeppelin

11-12-2008, 01:51 AM

i also would not call six blown saves getting the job done all the time nut i like wood and will be sad if he isnt on the team. give him a two year deal with a vesting third year option for 7 a year with bonuses
Granted, but 4 of those were in April. Once he learned how to close he was almost lights out. If not for being rusty after the blister crap, his ERA would have been insanely low.
interesting article i redact my last post
To which? Wood or Theriot?

gocubsgo3822

11-12-2008, 01:51 AM

look i just posted what i saw on another board.... from my understanding based one evrything i have read we should know in the next day or so..... look i am not claiming any inside info.. i just sspend all day persuin glinks and post what i see...

gocubsgo3822

11-12-2008, 01:52 AM

Granted, but 4 of those were in April. Once he learned how to close he was almost lights out. If not for being rusty after the blister crap, his ERA would have been insanely low.

To which? Wood or Theriot?

wood.. no stat you could ever show me would ever make me believe ryan theriot is an everyday player...

clcfball11

11-12-2008, 02:01 AM

Sou1 So1di3r

11-12-2008, 02:05 AM

bothedmbfan

11-12-2008, 02:07 AM

Not really. I don't know why people are getting such a boner over Peavy; he's not all that great outside of Petco Park, a park in which I could fucking have a decent ERA.

gocubsgo3822

11-12-2008, 02:15 AM

you couldnt pitch there bo dont kid yourself

bothedmbfan

11-12-2008, 02:20 AM

Dude, I am a master of the eephus.

DMBZeppelin

11-12-2008, 02:22 AM

Getting Peavy would result in the nastiest pitching staff in a LONG time...holy fuck..Heard on the Score today that the cubs' goal is to keep dempster while acquiring peavy, making the rotation below quite fathomable..

Zambrano/Peavy/Dempster/Harden/Lilly...

162-0. lol
Considering we're suppose to be going after Sabathia as well, though how serious I don't know, it could be even better.
Not really. I don't know why people are getting such a boner over Peavy; he's not all that great outside of Petco Park, a park in which I could fucking have a decent ERA.
Last year his road numbers sucked, I've posted them and seen them. Other years he's been great on the road. It's a mixed bag, but he's still a good pitcher.

bothedmbfan

11-12-2008, 02:24 AM

Sabathia is the KEY to this whole thing. Peavy is good, but is he worht giving up a young, solid starter; a potential starter in Pie, and a pitcher who could end up being really good? I don't think so personally, but whatever.

VanHorneDog

11-12-2008, 02:26 AM

... does this mean i become a cubs fan? my two favorite pitchers on the same team... holy fuck...

must.... resist.... temp.... tation....

DMBZeppelin

11-12-2008, 02:27 AM

... does this mean i become a cubs fan? my two favorite pitchers on the same team... holy fuck...

must.... resist.... temp.... tation....
:lol

Edit: You don't have to become a fan, but hopefully cheer them on to win a ring. I think guys like Peavy and Zambrano deserve to win a championship.

bothedmbfan

11-12-2008, 02:27 AM

Who is the other one?

DMBZeppelin

11-12-2008, 02:29 AM

From ESPN Insider Rumor Central:
Pursuit of Peavy complicates any Dempster deal

The Cubs remain strong contenders as possible trade partners with San Diego for right-hander Jake Peavy (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?playerId=5019), who is expected to be traded by the Padres this month. However, the Cubs' interest in Peavy could create problems as they try to re-sign Ryan Dempster (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?playerId=3845), the Chicago Tribune reported. The Cubs are believed to have offered Dempster a four-year deal in the neighborhood of $50 million, which would be less than the $64 million they would owe Peavy should they acquire him from the Padres. Dempster would certainly draw a larger contract should he hit the open market after the Cubs' exclusive negotiating rights expires on Friday.

DMBZeppelin

11-12-2008, 02:30 AM

Who is the other one?
It's Z, I remember posting about it before.

devilandthelord

11-12-2008, 03:42 AM

So did we get Peavy yet?

bothedmbfan

11-12-2008, 04:26 AM

Apparently, we will soon.

funksoul

11-12-2008, 10:57 AM

I could see Wood or Dempster becoming a Brewer.

DMBZeppelin

11-12-2008, 12:58 PM

I could see Wood or Dempster becoming a Brewer.
Wood in a Brewers uniform? Are you trying to break my heart? That would look so wrong. I don't think he'd do it though unless the Cubs dicked him over and he wanted to get back at us.

gocubsgo3822

11-12-2008, 01:43 PM

^ or unless he wanted to be close to his chicago home

gocubsgo3822

11-12-2008, 04:35 PM

congrats to lou for getting manager of the year

crashintonickdm

11-12-2008, 05:52 PM

i wish they would wiat til the season is over before we judge who wins these awards.

he had a good year, but they got swept in the playoffs. he doesnt deserve it.

bothedmbfan

11-12-2008, 05:55 PM

i wish they would wiat til the season is over before we judge who wins these awards.

he had a good year, but they got swept in the playoffs. he doesnt deserve it.

It's a regular season award.

crashintonickdm

11-12-2008, 05:57 PM

It's a regular season award.

regular season means nothing if you dont win it all, or at lesat have a good run at it.

bothedmbfan

11-12-2008, 05:58 PM

But it's an award, for the regular season. So...stop bitching?

funksoul

11-12-2008, 06:00 PM

^ or unless he wanted to be close to his chicago home

Exactly!! Depending on what we do with payroll, I see this scenario as a real possibility: Wood becomes expendable because Marmol or Jeff Smardjza could move into the closer role with the other as a setup.

I'm not debating this being a good or bad idea...all I'm saying is if I ran a baseball team, this thought would go through my head. They already have a lot invested in Jeff and there probably won't be an opening in the starters spots this year. Marmol has some of the nastiest stuff in MLB so long he gets his head out of his ass.

So they throw a fair, but not mind-blowing offer at Woody. He takes and stays, great...now you have another arm and potential trade bait at the deadline if Jeff and Marmol appear to be your future. OR he tests the waters and there is a town not even 100 miles away who is in desperate need of a closer (Torres thankfully retired) and has $ to spend on beefing up its bullpen.

Tough to swallow? For sure. But at least the Brewers fans aren't complete ass clowns. He would be appreciated and loved there following in the small feet of Solomon Torres.

crashintonickdm

11-12-2008, 06:13 PM

But it's an award, for the regular season. So...stop bitching?

fuck you. the cubs were a fraud this year.

bothedmbfan

11-12-2008, 06:13 PM

Cubs choked in the playoffs, but in the regular season, they were far and away the best team in the NL.

crashintonickdm

11-12-2008, 06:15 PM

Cubs choked in the playoffs, but in the regular season, they were far and away the best team in the NL.

far and away? didnt charlie and co. defeat you more times than you defeated us? didnt we win the world series? all aspects of the season should count.

i like lou, and i dont have a problem with the cubs, but this award and how its chosen fuckin sucks.

funksoul

11-12-2008, 06:25 PM

crashintonickdm

11-12-2008, 06:38 PM

In your case wouldn't the award just always go to the WS winner and runner up then?

not at all.

but in charlies case, he has had a pretty crazy 2 years in philly. at first, everyone wanted him out of town, and then he got control of his players, they believed in him, and they chased down the mets with 17 to go down 7 games and made the playoffs for the first time since 1993. got swept, responded this season by sweeping the brewers to catch the wild card then once again passing the mets and winning the NL east. and it didnt end there, they became the world series champions. manual flat out outmanaged the AL manager of the year in every aspect of the game. charlie has got a huge case and i do believehe was robbed. that said, i do like lou but still...

and like i said, the most important thing is the players believe in him and buy into what hes selling. brad lidge turned his career around in perhaps one of the best seasons a closer has ever had. 2 straight MVPs in a row, alot of gold glovers, great hitters, and overall high character baseball players.

bothedmbfan

11-12-2008, 07:07 PM

not at all.

but in charlies case, he has had a pretty crazy 2 years in philly. at first, everyone wanted him out of town, and then he got control of his players, they believed in him, and they chased down the mets with 17 to go down 7 games and made the playoffs for the first time since 1993. got swept, responded this season by sweeping the brewers to catch the wild card then once again passing the mets and winning the NL east. and it didnt end there, they became the world series champions. manual flat out outmanaged the AL manager of the year in every aspect of the game. charlie has got a huge case and i do believehe was robbed. that said, i do like lou but still...

and like i said, the most important thing is the players believe in him and buy into what hes selling. brad lidge turned his career around in perhaps one of the best seasons a closer has ever had. 2 straight MVPs in a row, alot of gold glovers, great hitters, and overall high character baseball players.

Ok, last year; has no bearing at all on this year. And even if last year should have had something to do with it, then Lou deserves it to, because he turned the Cubs from a joke, to a contender (If they can get their heads out of their asses, anyways)

That's the playoffs. Has no bearing on this award, get it through your head.

Lidge had a great season, no doubt; I don't know if it was even the best season for a closer this year though.

crashintonickdm

11-12-2008, 07:10 PM

Ok, last year; has no bearing at all on this year. And even if last year should have had something to do with it, then Lou deserves it to, because he turned the Cubs from a joke, to a contender (If they can get their heads out of their asses, anyways)

That's the playoffs. Has no bearing on this award, get it through your head.

Lidge had a great season, no doubt; I don't know if it was even the best season for a closer this year though.

bo, i understand its a regular season award, thats why ive said 2 or 3 times now that its fucking stupid that is that way.

how many more times do you need me to tell you? fucking idiot.

and who had a better season as a closer? the only one might be K-rod. but im sure you'll either say someone from the cubs or someone from a big time team like rivera or papelbon.

devilandthelord

11-12-2008, 07:11 PM

fuck you. the cubs were a fraud this year.

Oh call the whambulance!
Our team's manager won the manager of the year award, your team won the World Series!
Who cares?
You wanna trade? We'll gladly do so.

VanHorneDog

11-12-2008, 07:12 PM

:lol

Edit: You don't have to become a fan, but hopefully cheer them on to win a ring. I think guys like Peavy and Zambrano deserve to win a championship.

i agree 100%

i do want a jersey of every team in baseball, but not of players i dont like. so i could see myself getting a Zambrano or PV jersey.

bothedmbfan

11-12-2008, 07:18 PM

bo, i understand its a regular season award, thats why ive said 2 or 3 times now that its fucking stupid that is that way.

how many more times do you need me to tell you? fucking idiot.

and who had a better season as a closer? the only one might be K-rod. but im sure you'll either say someone from the cubs or someone from a big time team like rivera or papelbon.

No, I was going to say K-Rod. I probably saw more Angel games than I saw Cub cames (California Uber Alles).

JaJunk

11-12-2008, 07:18 PM

i wish they would wiat til the season is over before we judge who wins these awards.

he had a good year, but they got swept in the playoffs. he doesnt deserve it.
He didn't freeze the bats. I'm starting to be convinced you have no idea what you're talking about in relation to sports.

crashintonickdm

11-12-2008, 07:20 PM

He didn't freeze the bats. I'm starting to be convinced you have no idea what you're talking about in relation to sports.

they are 0-9 in their past 2 playoff appearences. it falls on the manager for not having the team prepared.

devilandthelord

11-12-2008, 07:22 PM

they are 0-9 in their past 2 playoff appearences. it falls on the manager for not having the team prepared.

THey only played 6 games in their last 2 playoff appearances, so that's impossible.

bothedmbfan

11-12-2008, 07:22 PM

They're 0-9 in their last 2 playoff appearances? That's amazing.

JaJunk

11-12-2008, 07:22 PM

they are 0-9 in their past 2 playoff appearences. it falls on the manager for not having the team prepared.
You play under that pressure. Chicago is a 10x the market Philly is.

JaJunk

11-12-2008, 07:23 PM

They're 0-9 in their last 2 playoff appearances? That's amazing.
He's counting Dusty :lol:lol:lol

crashintonickdm

11-12-2008, 07:24 PM

He's counting Dusty :lol:lol:lol

lol. i meant 0-6. fuck. i figured with last 2 playoff appearences you'd understand that...

DMBZeppelin

11-13-2008, 12:06 AM

far and away? didnt charlie and co. defeat you more times than you defeated us? didnt we win the world series? all aspects of the season should count.

i like lou, and i dont have a problem with the cubs, but this award and how its chosen fuckin sucks.
Dude it's not like you wiped the floor with us. You had to win the last two games against us to go up 4-3 in the season series. Way to pull that one out. Not that I think any intelligent baseball fan should take that into account.

Because bottom line is, you don't manage any regular season game especially outside of the division like a post season game. You think going into those last two games you won. If Lou was going to rest someone, he changed his mind because of the Manager of the Year Award? No, the regular season is a marathon.

What Lou has done with the Cubs is amazing. Look at where they were after the 06' season and the first two months of 07'. He got them to make a run at the playoffs in 07', when if the Brewers don't collapse we don't have a chance.

This year he came into the season with the Cubs closer the last few years trying to get a spot in the rotation out of spring training. Trying to find a closer, and he picked the guy Wood when everyone wanted Marmol. When Marmol had mid-season struggled everyone was like "Oh we get it now."

Pie easily won the battle over Sam Fuld in spring training for the center field job. Early season struggles though worried the Cubs. Lou was able to get it done with waiver wire Reed Johnson and mid season FA pickup Jim Edmonds. He had to also deal with Fukudome, who constantly moved around in the lineup without a true position. As the season went on he began to struggle.

Sean Marshall, Jeff Samardizja, Micha Hoffpauir. These were guys not on the opening day roster who were called up when guys we had planned on being good sucked. Leiber, Eyre, Ward, ect. While I'm sure other managers go through the same thing. You act like it's been a walk in the park for Lou, and your manager had so much more to deal with.

GLR87

11-13-2008, 01:11 AM

Choke

DMBZeppelin

11-13-2008, 01:19 AM

Choke
I couldn't hear you over the Manager of the Year's booming voice.

Sou1 So1di3r

11-13-2008, 01:22 AM

Choke

You are choking on dick, what?

crashintonickdm

11-13-2008, 02:01 AM

Dude it's not like you wiped the floor with us. You had to win the last two games against us to go up 4-3 in the season series. Way to pull that one out. Not that I think any intelligent baseball fan should take that into account.

Because bottom line is, you don't manage any regular season game especially outside of the division like a post season game. You think going into those last two games you won. If Lou was going to rest someone, he changed his mind because of the Manager of the Year Award? No, the regular season is a marathon.

What Lou has done with the Cubs is amazing. Look at where they were after the 06' season and the first two months of 07'. He got them to make a run at the playoffs in 07', when if the Brewers don't collapse we don't have a chance.

This year he came into the season with the Cubs closer the last few years trying to get a spot in the rotation out of spring training. Trying to find a closer, and he picked the guy Wood when everyone wanted Marmol. When Marmol had mid-season struggled everyone was like "Oh we get it now."

Pie easily won the battle over Sam Fuld in spring training for the center field job. Early season struggles though worried the Cubs. Lou was able to get it done with waiver wire Reed Johnson and mid season FA pickup Jim Edmonds. He had to also deal with Fukudome, who constantly moved around in the lineup without a true position. As the season went on he began to struggle.

Sean Marshall, Jeff Samardizja, Micha Hoffpauir. These were guys not on the opening day roster who were called up when guys we had planned on being good sucked. Leiber, Eyre, Ward, ect. While I'm sure other managers go through the same thing. You act like it's been a walk in the park for Lou, and your manager had so much more to deal with.

eh you make a few good points. thats fine, we'll just keep our world championship. i know cub fans are content with just a manager of the year award. go back to being lovaable pathetic losers.

DMBZeppelin

11-13-2008, 02:07 AM

eh you make a few good points. thats fine, we'll just keep our world championship. i know cub fans are content with just a manager of the year award. go back to being lovaable pathetic losers.
Seriously, what the hell? Go look what I said in the MLB awards thread. I'd MUCH rather have a ring then have a manager win an award. But you're the one who came in here, and gave reasons that didn't make sense (i.e. who won the season series).

I mean you guys won the World Series, you're the world champs for christ sakes. Yet you came in here, started shit. Then as soon as you don't like where it's going you pull out the World Series card. I mean you won, be happy. Who cares if a single Phillies player didn't get an award, sure it's nice but will any of that take away from the feeling of your team winning it all?

crashintonickdm

11-13-2008, 02:09 AM

Seriously, what the hell? Go look what I said in the MLB awards thread. I'd MUCH rather have a ring then have a manager win an award. But you're the one who came in here, and gave reasons that didn't make sense (i.e. who won the season series).

I mean you guys won the World Series, you're the world champs for christ sakes. Yet you came in here, started shit. Then as soon as you don't like where it's going you pull out the World Series card. I mean you won, be happy. Who cares if a single Phillies player didn't get an award, sure it's nice but will any of that take away from the feeling of your team winning it all?

and i have said i like lou and have nothing against the cubs.

i have no problem with you, im just messing with you. you can keep the award, he is a great manager. and it wasnt his fault the bats choked. relax. the cubs will be back.

DMBZeppelin

11-13-2008, 02:23 AM

and i have said i like lou and have nothing against the cubs.

i have no problem with you, im just messing with you. you can keep the award, he is a great manager. and it wasnt his fault the bats choked. relax. the cubs will be back.
Well you're right that the Cubs will be back, but they'll suck again. I don't have kids but if I do, I'll feel bad. They'll likely go their whole life as well with the Cubs sucking.

gocubsgo3822

11-13-2008, 01:44 PM

i do not think we are getting peavy... i also think that because we flirted with him that has brought the price of demps up... i would really like to retain wood and demps at this point and get ibanez abreu or dunn for RF... we had a really good tema last year... or maybe furcal or roberts for leadoff.... Not too much we need to do

dmbman32

11-13-2008, 04:31 PM

Uh oh:

http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2008/11/kerry-wood-and-cubs-split.html

DMBZeppelin

11-13-2008, 05:32 PM

I just heard it from the horses mouth. I hate Hendry. If we win it next year without Wood it will be so bittersweet. But the Cubs don't want to give him 3-4 years. This is ridiculous.

DMBZeppelin

11-13-2008, 05:39 PM

the reason we're not resigning him? We got Kevin Gregg for Jose Ceda.

devilandthelord

11-13-2008, 05:49 PM

Aww that sad that they're officially not going to try and re-sign him.
I heard about the Gregg deal on the radio earlier, but there was still even a small window of hope we would still get Woody back.
Even though the rational part of you already knows that he won't be after that deal was announced.

Gregg had 29 saves for the Marlins last year, but in 38 chances. So I'm not super thrilled about it. But he'll come much cheaper than Woody would have.

The other thing that bugs me about this is that they gave them Ceda, which the guys on the radio seemed to think hurts the Peavy deal because that was one guy the Padres were really interested in.

Thoughts?

bothedmbfan

11-13-2008, 05:58 PM

Just...fuck.

Sou1 So1di3r

11-13-2008, 06:03 PM

That makes me kinda sad.

41ravens

11-13-2008, 06:05 PM

fuck this nonsense. wood should've retired a cub.

bothedmbfan

11-13-2008, 06:06 PM

He probably still will. I can understand what they are doing here, it's just...yeah.

gocubsgo3822

11-13-2008, 06:07 PM

WTF.... super fucked up

gocubsgo3822

11-13-2008, 06:08 PM

ceda was our third best prospect... i dont get it...

devilandthelord

11-13-2008, 06:11 PM

All I can say is, Gregg better be fucking lights out or I will hate him.
And if we end up not getting Peavy, I will blame it on giving away Ceda for him.
And I think a great many Cubs fans will share this thought.

gocubsgo3822

11-13-2008, 06:14 PM

marmol to close i believe gregg to set up... i dont like giving up ceda

gocubsgo3822

11-13-2008, 06:14 PM

well at least we will get two picks for wood........ i guarantee we will offer arbritration i am sad

devilandthelord

11-13-2008, 06:16 PM

marmol to close i believe gregg to set up... i dont like giving up ceda

From what I've been hearing it will be Gregg closing going into spring training and early regular season, and if he starts to suck it up, then it will be Marmol's.
They don't wanna put the pressure on Marmol right away, so they're gonna start with the guy who's already got plenty of experience.

What do you guys think about the possibility of the Peavy deal happening now?

bothedmbfan

11-13-2008, 06:19 PM

Maybe if the Peavy deal doesn't happen, it will be a blessing in disguise.

devilandthelord

11-13-2008, 06:26 PM

^ Why's that?

gocubsgo3822

11-13-2008, 06:29 PM

gocubsgo3822

11-13-2008, 06:38 PM

carlos got a silver slugger :)

Bron Yr Aur

11-13-2008, 06:42 PM

Bullshit move. Keep the f'in team together. This is bullshit.

gocubsgo3822

11-13-2008, 06:46 PM

In 2008, Gregg posted a 2.92 ERA or less in five of his six calendar months, closing the season with nine scoreless outings in September. In a three-month period from May 6-August 12, Gregg went 3-2 with 21 saves, a 1.86 ERA (8 ER/38.2 IP) and a .165 batting average against (23-for-139).

Since pitching exclusively in relief the last two seasons, Gregg has stranded 32 of his 36 inherited runners, an 88.9 percent success rate. He stranded 15 of 16 inherited runners last season, a 93.8 percent success rate.

funksoul

11-13-2008, 06:54 PM

unless gregg is part of the peavy deal i dont expect it to happen.....

also i could see this being an excuse to flip marmol in a peavy deal now :(

that would suck... i have now come to the conclusion that marmol>>>>> Peavy in terms of value to our team

Gregg will most definitely not be part of the Padres deal. They are trying to unload salary.

Gregg will probably take over the void filled by the imminent departure of Howry. Marmol replaces Wood. They'll probably try and grab another lefty arm somewhere and be done with the pen. Outside of the personal feeling of losing Wood I don't see the big deal. Marmol has the stuff to be one of the most dominant closers in baseball. Gregg is basically Howry with better stuff. Smardjza will be your setup man with an ability to start if needed....or possibly the other half of a Harden start.

HolyCow

11-13-2008, 06:56 PM

fuck this nonsense. wood should've retired a cub.
:thumbsup

This is probably the second saddest I've ever been in my Cub life only second to Game 7, 2003.

gocubsgo3822

11-13-2008, 07:04 PM

Gregg will most definitely not be part of the Padres deal. They are trying to unload salary.

Gregg will probably take over the void filled by the imminent departure of Howry. Marmol replaces Wood. They'll probably try and grab another lefty arm somewhere and be done with the pen. Outside of the personal feeling of losing Wood I don't see the big deal. Marmol has the stuff to be one of the most dominant closers in baseball. Gregg is basically Howry with better stuff. Smardjza will be your setup man with an ability to start if needed....or possibly the other half of a Harden start.

i agree with almost all of this.. people also forget we drafted cashner in the first round last year and he was a lights out closer at TCU.. i wouldnt be surprised to see him go to camp with the team and see if he can make the team out of camp. I am excited for Marmol time. THe writing was on the wall...

DMBZeppelin

11-13-2008, 07:23 PM

i agree with almost all of this.. people also forget we drafted cashner in the first round last year and he was a lights out closer at TCU.. i wouldnt be surprised to see him go to camp with the team and see if he can make the team out of camp. I am excited for Marmol time. THe writing was on the wall...
Fuck the writing on the wall. This is Kerry FUCKING Wood. He deserved better then this. This guy has done nothing but give everything he had to this orginization. The Cubs management and managers screwed up his Hall of Fame talent arm in his rookie year. The abuse he's taken, even by the hands of Dusty in 03'. He's come back time and time again.

Now I understand Marmol is a great talent, but we all saw him struggle last year. It's one thing to tell Kerry "Listen we'll give you 3-4 years, but we can't over pay you. We also can't promise you the closer role for the duration of the contract." but you know after all he's done for the Cubs. You think they'd at least make him a FAIR offer.

I'm sure Kerry would understand if he came here, he'd have to perform at a high level to hold off Marmol or be the setup guy. But since when is having two guys who can close a bad thing? Marmol/Wood was sick. Now we got a guy who recently had surgery, and 9 blown saves last year. While his ERA is nice, Miami is a HUGE ball park. It's very pitcher friendly. Welcome to Wrigley with the wind blowing out Gregg.

I could also see maybe the Padres wanted Gregg, as they need someone to replaced Hoffman. That be fine and dandy, but if we trade Gregg in a Peavy deal. We still need Woody back. But you know who knows what all we can do, since the Cubs seem dead fucking set on meeting Dempster's every increasing asking price.

Yet the guy who even on the radio today, Hendry said every contract year has hit the open market. Only to turn down MILLIONS more being offered by other teams. He could have signed a long term deal even last year. But yet again he came back for a cheap home town discount 1 year deal.

Why is it the guy who's given his all to this orginization, and has constantly taken what we offered and has proven he wants to be here, gets the boot? While the red haired fucker who's had one great year, can write a blank check while courting everyone he can to raise his fucking price. Fuck you Dempster. Fuck you Hendry. May whatever team Wood goes to win the World Series next year, that man deserves a ring. If we win one without him and Wood never does with his new team... that will forever piss me off.