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BSoDAlptraum
10-16-2004, 11:46 AM
I just downloaded the VFC Finale and I would like to convert it to MPG, but the only programs I can find allow me only to do a tiny bit...you have to register to do the whole file, but seems to cost anywhere from $20-$35. Are there any free programs out there that can convert VOB to MPG? Thanks a bunch.

-Jeff

mxz440fan
10-16-2004, 12:03 PM
How about you don't. :confused: [/tough guy attitude]

If you don't know how to do it, most likely you don't know enough to not trade it. If you can provide evidence you know the trading guidelines that come into play we may tell you.

BSoDAlptraum
10-16-2004, 12:31 PM
I just wanted to convert to give to my friends locally who attended the show...I don't have a DVD burner and they can't play VOB files so I just wanted to share the show. Is that so much to ask? I don't know much about video stuff so if there is a higherquality type of file I should convert to (eg wav instead of mp3) then I'll convert to that...just want something my friends can play with windows media player. Thanks?

-Jeff

fifel
10-16-2004, 12:38 PM
You might want to try opening the VOB files in Media Player. My media players plays the VOB files. You can't skip tracks and each VOB file is xx:xx minutes long. But you can still watch the show. I believe i have media player version 9. All i did was open the TS_Video folder. Select the option to show all files. Highlight them all and hit open. It should take you to the title screen. Than just move it to track VTS_01_01 and it should play fine. At least it does for me. i do have a DVD burner so i don't know if i have a special media player but you might still want to check it out.

BSoDAlptraum
10-16-2004, 01:14 PM
i tried...WMP has an error then closes, no luck :(

-Jeff

mxz440fan
10-16-2004, 01:25 PM
If you're spreading this...we can't let you know how to convert it.
Have them come over to watch it on your computer.
Better yet, buy a DVD burner. They are dirt cheap nowadays ($50 or less)

BSoDAlptraum
10-16-2004, 01:32 PM
Sigh...maybe I will break down and buy a DVD burner...but for now why can't you just help me? You can just email me if you don't wnat the answer public. I'm giving this as a present to a couple people who don't trade shows...and don't even know places like Ants/Nancies/ASTB/etc exist to trade them. They are casual DMB fans but I know this would make their week. Please? :(

-Jeff | sweetworld731@yahoo.com

jsemon2
10-16-2004, 02:30 PM
to convert would be a waste of time....

CONVERT TO LOWER QUALITY=BAD PERSON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

bohazo
10-16-2004, 02:55 PM
Jesus, how about you all get off this guys ass. Sorry Jeff, if I knew how to do it I would let you know. Honestly, does it seem like this guy is going to spread this? Not to me.

yin_yang
10-16-2004, 03:00 PM
no, prolly not, this is similar to wanting to convert to mp3 and give it to someone. not good.

jsemon2
10-16-2004, 03:47 PM
it isnt a matter of getting on someone, it is a matter of public relations.

if there is a dvd out for a show, ALL VCD/MPG/AVI need to be DELETED/THROWN AWAY. So, if you we can stop it from happening, I say we do it. If you want to do that on you own, and not show anyone (which never happens) go ahead, but posting it on a thread, lets other people see it, and they will want b&p/trades for it. Coversion of audio isn't too bad(still bad though), but when you convert video, you really see the difference.

I dvd burner is like 50 bucks, and a dual layer is a 100 buck. Really cheap.

BSoDAlptraum
10-16-2004, 05:28 PM
alright...fine, whatever. Bren, thank you, seems like you are the only person that "gets it." the rest of you can be happy for "protecting the community" from my evil deed of...helping my friends? i'll say it once again- the people are not comp. savey, and i just don't have the money for a burner at the moment...but that doesn't seem to matter to y'all...i guess you'd rather have my friends have nothing than enjoy the show? real helpful fans...awesome.

-Jeff

mxz440fan
10-16-2004, 07:38 PM
No, we get it. You don't.

Believe it or not, by telling you not to convert we are helping you (being helpful fans).

If the community allowed it to be converted or spread you may not have the dvd, you'd have a vcd instead.

yin_yang
10-16-2004, 07:41 PM
No, we get it. You don't.

Believe it or not, by telling you not to convert we are helping you (being helpful fans).

If the community allowed it to be converted or spread you may not have the dvd, you'd have a vcd instead.
:thumbsup :thumbsup for that

BSoDAlptraum
10-16-2004, 08:31 PM
No, we get it. You don't.

Believe it or not, by telling you not to convert we are helping you (being helpful fans).

If the community allowed it to be converted or spread you may not have the dvd, you'd have a vcd instead.
...last post on this topic unless someone decides to help. but i understand that. and i'm thankful for the dmb trading community, i love that it exists and to the standard it does. however, since i stated i would not be giving this to potential traders i think it is an exception. you are not helping me. if you really wanted to help me and not let me convert it, send me either a DVD burner via fedex or $50 via paypal so i can go buy one.

-Jeff

yin_yang
10-16-2004, 08:36 PM
no, we are not going to help you, because you are not helping the dmb community that you love by converting this. so much for you being thankful for it.

mdmt619
10-16-2004, 08:43 PM
wow- this is ridiculous

all this guy wants to do is make an mpeg for his friends, everyone needs to chill out- he's not going to spread it in any trades, so why should it make a difference what he does with it? it's the same thing as when i convert shows to AAC for my iPod

also, i dont agree with the statement above about eliminating all other types of the file(mpeg, vcd, etc) once the show is on dvd. not everyone has the money to spend on getting a dvd burner and blank dvds or the time to spend downloading a 4-9 gig torrent, so if people want to trade mpegs as an cheaper and faster alternative- we should let them, i dont think people making dvds from mpegs is nearly as big of a problem as it used to be when people first started trading bootleg dmb dvds(yes, i was trading then)

jsemon2
10-16-2004, 08:43 PM
Edited

mdmt619
10-16-2004, 08:43 PM
no, we are not going to help you, because you are not helping the dmb community that you love by converting this. so much for you being thankful for it.someone needs a serious ego-check

jsemon2
10-16-2004, 08:49 PM
also, i dont agree with the statement above about eliminating all other types of the file(mpeg, vcd, etc) once the show is on dvd. not everyone has the money to spend on getting a dvd burner and blank dvds or the time to spend downloading a 4-9 gig torrent, so if people want to trade mpegs as an cheaper and faster alternative- we should let them, i dont think people making dvds from mpegs is nearly as big of a problem as it used to be when people first started trading bootleg dmb dvds(yes, i was trading then)

it isnt that hard to get someone to burn you a copy for you..... im a wrong here on this?

i started off without a burner, without torrent being invented, ,and managed to get tons of dvds just fine. tons of nice people out there to help.

mdmt619
10-16-2004, 08:53 PM
it isnt that hard to get someone to burn you a copy for you..... im a wrong here on this?

i started off without a burner, without torrent being invented, ,and managed to get tons of dvds just fine. tons of nice people out there to help.but not everyone wants to start a dvd collection and start doing B+Ps, some people just want to catch a dmb special that they missed on tv, or see some new concert footage

mxz440fan
10-16-2004, 10:35 PM
but not everyone wants to start a dvd collection and start doing B+Ps, some people just want to catch a dmb special that they missed on tv, or see some new concert footageIf they want that they can download it and watch it.

He's done that. Now he wants to spread it to his friends. I don't care if they're traders now...what if they like it and want to do more (you can't say this doesn't happen...I for one was hooked after my first dvd). All of a sudden his 5 buddies are trying to spread around a vcd of this show :confused:

Hell no. He can buy a DVD burner for $50. If he can't afford the money for it he can't afford to be involved in any sort of video trading.

side note: yin_yang...try to add a smile to your posts, they're comming acrossed as rough ;)

mdmt619
10-17-2004, 01:25 AM
If they want that they can download it and watch it.

He's done that. Now he wants to spread it to his friends. I don't care if they're traders now...what if they like it and want to do more (you can't say this doesn't happen...I for one was hooked after my first dvd). All of a sudden his 5 buddies are trying to spread around a vcd of this show :confused:

Hell no. He can buy a DVD burner for $50. If he can't afford the money for it he can't afford to be involved in any sort of video trading.
what's wrong with vcds? nobody's forcing you to watch it, so why should you have the final word on what the community can and cannot trade?

i think i speak for most of the newbies when i ask you to please stop acting like the dvd messiah

jsemon2
10-17-2004, 01:26 AM
seriously. if you find a trader that lives in the same state, it takes but a few days to it b&p. if you live in NY, that is best place, because all the good traders live around there.

mxz440fan
10-17-2004, 02:35 AM
what's wrong with vcds? nobody's forcing you to watch it, so why should you have the final word on what the community can and cannot trade?

i think i speak for most of the newbies when i ask you to please stop acting like the dvd messiahthey are no where near as good of quality. thats whats wrong. whats wrong with mp3 sourced shows?

Lets do some analogies
DVD:vcd is like WAV:64kbps mp3

mxz440fan
10-17-2004, 03:04 AM
I forgot to answer your second point. I do it to stop newbies from turing the trading pool into a cesspool. :thumbsup

jsemon2
10-17-2004, 03:07 AM
I do it to stop newbies from turing the trading pool into a cesspool.

trust me, this has been being said for years, it is nothing new. it isnt something we do to piss people off. i heard the same thing when i started many years ago. it is nothing personal to the individual, it is just very personal for the community

yin_yang
10-17-2004, 03:31 AM
please dont convert to VCD :) :) :) (I took your advice Alan)

mdmt619
10-17-2004, 12:13 PM
they are no where near as good of quality. thats whats wrong. whats wrong with mp3 sourced shows?

Lets do some analogies
DVD:vcd is like WAV:64kbps mp3i think you are misinformed on the whole mp3 vs. wav debate

the reason people don't spread mp3s is not because their quality is worse than wavs(sure, the audiophiles mind- but most people dont care and can't tell the difference between a wav and a nice, first-gen mp3), it's because each time you copy an mp3, the quality gets a little worse- and after copying it many times the quality ends up terrible

this is not the case for dvd vs. vcd

mxz440fan
10-17-2004, 01:04 PM
i think you are misinformed on the whole mp3 vs. wav debate

This is not the case for dvd vs. vcdThis debate isn't mp3 vs. wav. Its a debate on the quality of what we're trading video-wise.
And yes, you're right, most people can't notice mp3 sourced stuff, but anyone and everyone can tell the difference between vcd and dvd.

mdmt619
10-17-2004, 01:48 PM
This debate isn't mp3 vs. wav. Its a debate on the quality of what we're trading video-wise.
And yes, you're right, most people can't notice mp3 sourced stuff, but anyone and everyone can tell the difference between vcd and dvd.then you shouldn't have made the analogy in the first place

if somebody wants the dvd version, then they can have it- nobody is forcing them to watch an mpeg or vcd- but there are some people who prefer smaller mpegs b/c it saves time, money, space, etc. and they have the right to have them

the issue is informing people that you don't make dvds out of mpegs, not eliminating mpegs altogether

yin_yang
10-17-2004, 01:52 PM
then you shouldn't have made the analogy in the first place

if somebody wants the dvd version, then they can have it- nobody is forcing them to watch an mpeg or vcd- but there are some people who prefer smaller mpegs b/c it saves time, money, space, etc. and they have the right to have them

the issue is informing people that you don't make dvds out of mpegs, not eliminating mpegs altogether

yes, they have the right to have them...but if he wants to give it to his friend, he do that, but its not good. it would be no problem if he said that he would just need it for himself. :thumbsup

mxz440fan
10-17-2004, 01:55 PM
the issue is informing people that you don't make dvds out of mpegs, not eliminating mpegs altogetherThats the ideal situation...but from my experience those that ask these sorts of questions are the ones that tend not to care about the trading pool and try to spread these off as dvd quality. While it may not be a concern in every case, I've seen it enough to not want anyone to do it.

I'd love to tell this guy to download such and such a program and to never spread it. But the harsh reality is there is an extremely good chance he's going to end up trying to get more...and the easiest way to do that is trading.

If it was a friend of mine that I trusted and knew he wasn't going to do anything but watch it himself I'd tell him how to do it (actually, I'd just charge him 50 cents and burn the discs for him). However, we don't know these people and we don't know what they're going to do with them.

jsemon2
10-17-2004, 05:50 PM
i have to side with alan on this. i recently got dmb2002-02-09, and to my surprise, it only took 1/4 of the dvds space. i knew something was up, and when i popped it into the dvd player, sure enough, it was a mpeg version.
i dont know about you, but pissed me off like no other. if i got this from simple trade, i can only imagine how many other people get this crap from trades.
the point is, people cant help but take dvds and convert them to mpeg. and once they get a burner, they no longer have the original dvd files, but want to burn it. they list on their new dvd list that hey, i got this from a dvd, i will make that the source of my newly mpeg dvd, what's wrong with that?
the fact of the matter is, is that this does and will keep happening as long as we keep telling people it is ok to convert for themselves. true some people do convert and dont share, but they arent the people asking how to convert things, the people that do share it, are the ones asking how to convert.

mxz440fan
10-17-2004, 06:00 PM
congrats john, after 2 long years of trading you're finally out of the newbie phase.

or maybe not. you haven't made a dumb post in 2 days, so i'll give you the benefit of the doubt and say you're starting to get a feel for the community more.

jsemon2
10-17-2004, 06:04 PM
true, it has been about 2 days......:)
I started off thinking there was nothing wrong with mp3 shows, but the first downloaded a shn show, man i was blown away!!!!
whenever there is something better, you want it. and the good thing about FREE music is that it is easy as hell to get the better stuff.

BSoDAlptraum
10-17-2004, 07:20 PM
ok. i figured it out. thanks for your help. this thread can die now.

B&P for 10: VFC Finale DVD :rolleyes:

-Jeff


(kidding. calm down.)

jsemon2
10-17-2004, 07:36 PM
it is nice to see what one can do by themselves. :rolleyes:

mxz440fan
10-17-2004, 09:23 PM
it is nice to see what one can do by themselves. :rolleyes:its amazing what google can do, eh?

dmb41soright
10-18-2004, 05:09 PM
i think you are misinformed on the whole mp3 vs. wav debate

the reason people don't spread mp3s is not because their quality is worse than wavs(sure, the audiophiles mind- but most people dont care and can't tell the difference between a wav and a nice, first-gen mp3), it's because each time you copy an mp3, the quality gets a little worse- and after copying it many times the quality ends up terrible

this is not the case for dvd vs. vcd You can't tell the difference between a wav and a 64 kbps mp3? Copying an mp3 does NOTHING to the quality. Converting it back to a wav and then back into mp3 degenerates the quality.

jsemon2
10-18-2004, 05:23 PM
You can't tell the difference between a wav and a 64 kbps mp3? Copying an mp3 does NOTHING to the quality. Converting it back to a wav and then back into mp3 degenerates the quality.

well looks like someone has never done any research. true the naked ear cant tell the difference, but doctors would beg to differ (it is proven that listening to mp3 will effect your hearing sometime down the line).

so for your doctor's sake, and for our sake, stick with the good stuff. you'll be thankful you did, and we know we will.

mxz440fan
10-18-2004, 05:51 PM
well looks like someone has never done any research. true the naked ear cant tell the difference, but doctors would beg to differ (it is proven that listening to mp3 will effect your hearing sometime down the line).

so for your doctor's sake, and for our sake, stick with the good stuff. you'll be thankful you did, and we know we will.he's not saying that mp3s are good. he's on the do not convert boat. :)

jsemon2
10-18-2004, 06:00 PM
he's not saying that mp3s are good. he's on the do not convert boat. :)

sounds like to me, he sees nothing wrong with converting to mp3s......

he just doesnt think converting those mp3s back to is ok, and that you cant tell the difference between a 1st generation mp3 and an original wav......

mxz440fan
10-18-2004, 08:32 PM
sounds like to me, he sees nothing wrong with converting to mp3s......

he just doesnt think converting those mp3s back to is ok, and that you cant tell the difference between a 1st generation mp3 and an original wav......
You can't tell the difference between a wav and a 64 kbps mp3?How is this saying theres nothing wrong with mp3? :confused:

jsemon2
10-18-2004, 09:24 PM
Copying an mp3 does NOTHING to the quality.

That is where I see it.

lungmigo
10-18-2004, 09:36 PM
That is where I see it.

But he's right. Copying an mp3 (harddrive to cd, cd to harddrive, harddrive to mp3 player) does NOTHING to thes sound quality. It's copied bit for bit by the operating system. He's just saying the really bad degredation happens when you convert wav > mp3 > wav > mp3 > ...
Of course, the quality was degraded to begin with on the inital wav > mp3 conversion, but any copying from then on does nothing.

jsemon2
10-18-2004, 10:39 PM
i understand that he is saying nothing to the sound quality.....

but if it TRUELY doesnt do anything to the quality, it would go like this.

wav->mp3=does NOTHING to the sound quality. if this is true, then
mp3->wav=does NOTHING to the sound quality.

But this isnt the case. So when you do go wav->mp3 it IS doing something to the quality.

mxz440fan
10-18-2004, 11:57 PM
i understand that he is saying nothing to the sound quality.....

but if it TRUELY doesnt do anything to the quality, it would go like this.

wav->mp3=does NOTHING to the sound quality. if this is true, then
mp3->wav=does NOTHING to the sound quality.

But this isnt the case. So when you do go wav->mp3 it IS doing something to the quality.You retard he's saying mp3->wav->mp3->wav->mp3->mp3 loses quality. He's also saying mp3->mp3->mp3 does not lose quality.

dmb41soright
10-20-2004, 10:46 PM
You retard he's saying mp3->wav->mp3->wav->mp3->mp3 loses quality. He's also saying mp3->mp3->mp3 does not lose quality. I'm amazed. I didn't, and still don't, think I could make my post any clearer. At least Alan gets it :lol (http://antsmarching.org/forum/images/smilies/lol.gif)

mxz440fan
10-21-2004, 12:34 AM
I'm amazed. I didn't, and still don't, think I could make my post any clearer. At least Alan gets it :lol (http://antsmarching.org/forum/images/smilies/lol.gif)I know you best ;)

Joe M.
10-21-2004, 11:00 AM
jsemon2 please do NOT post illegal links. Your account will be closed if you continue to do so.

mxz440fan
10-21-2004, 12:53 PM
jsemon2 please do NOT post illegal links. Your account will be closed if you continue to do so.I think you should just close it right now. I can dig up some threads where he's been out of line for you, if you want.

jsemon2
10-21-2004, 06:42 PM
I think you should just close it right now. I can dig up some threads where he's been out of line for you, if you want.

dont be an :evil alan. he asked me kindly to not post those kinda links again; he didn't ask for any other comments other then me saying, "OK"

one day you want me banned, the next i am doing alright. what gives(and dont answer, it is a retorical question)? everyone has a bad day.

jsemon2
10-21-2004, 06:45 PM
I think you should just close it right now. I can dig up some threads where he's been out of line for you, if you want.

and you know you have way more posts then i do that were out of line.

i'm not trying to start anything, but it is getting old, just let it go.