New England Patriots

[rickyh24]

If the player the Pats want is available they will take him. If he is not they will trade down to save money.

[DMBstandUP1984]

Maybe they can sign some more defensive backs..can't have too many of those

[pathetic]

clearly you didn't understand what I was saying. Didn't Brady and BB point out two weeks ago that "maybe we try and go deep too much, thats not the kind of team we are"

the problem was brady trying to force the ball into moss during the jets game.

i think it's pretty clear that brady is an elite QB. you give him the downfield weapons and he'll execute. you take them away and he'll change up the offense. this offense is going to look different without moss, but i have all the faith that brady will be able to make up for that with what he's got

[jackisback24]

who's the dude from Michigan? Is he a Junior?

[DMBstandUP1984]

Ok my point of bringing up his stats..he has only had one year like 2007 all the rest were 3,500-4000 yards and 25-30 TDs....which means he would be more that QB then the other.

[rickyh24]

Maybe they can sign some more defensive backs..can't have too many of those

Maybe if they need one they will draft one. Shouldn't you be more worried about the 2-2 Colts? or the 1-2 Cowboys?

[gripes81]

ur boy Peyton seemed to adjust fine when Marvin left the team. They'll be okay, but I don't like giving up both Moss and now a 7th round pick for a 3rd.

This...Manning has shown us that there is a surplus of recievers that can thrive with a capable QB. The pats won 3 superbowls with Brady dropping back 5-7 steps and standing behind his probowl O-line (Matt Light...Boiler Up) and throwing 10-15 yard passes.

[pathetic]

Ok my point of bringing up his stats..he has only had one year like 2007 all the rest were 3,500-4000 yards and 25-30 TDs....which means he would be more that QB then the other.

i really dont see anything wrong with those numbers

[rickyh24]

i really dont see anything wrong with those numbers

There is absolutely nothing wrong with those numbers.

[rickyh24]

http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/new-england-patriots/post/_/id/4684745/chung-edged-out-for-afc-honor

Da fuck?? :lol

[thebestauntie]

http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/new-england-patriots/post/_/id/4684745/chung-edged-out-for-afc-honor

Da fuck?? :lol
Lame sauce.

[TwoStep2888]

http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/new-england-patriots/post/_/id/4684745/chung-edged-out-for-afc-honor

Da fuck?? :lol

Damn, that'd be a tough call. On one hand, Chung's entire game was amazing, but on the other, I enjoyed watching Scobee's superkick and Manning's subsequent superpout more.

[dmbgodagirl41]

clearly you didn't understand what I was saying. Didn't Brady and BB point out two weeks ago that "maybe we try and go deep too much, thats not the kind of team we are"

That's what she said.

[dmbgodagirl41]

http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/new-england-patriots/post/_/id/4684745/chung-edged-out-for-afc-honor

Da fuck?? :lol

Yeah, a 59 yard field goal is much more impressive than blocking a punt and a field goal and running an interception back for a TD. :confused

[pathetic]

http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/new-england-patriots/post/_/id/4684745/chung-edged-out-for-afc-honor

Da fuck?? :lol


BLOLOLO :lol :lol

not pissed cuz that was a hell of a kick, but come on..

[TwoStep2888]

Yeah, a 59 yard field goal is much more impressive than blocking a punt and a field goal and running an interception back for a TD. :confused

Not trying to downplay Chung's awesome night, because it was god damn awesome. However, Chung had some badass blocks and scored two touchdowns... in a game won by 3+ touchdowns. Scobee's FG was a last-second game-winner to upset the Colts, who all but maybe four people predicted a win for. Chung's play that night was more outstanding overall, no doubt, and if that's your sole criteria for Player of the Week, then he def. should get the honor, but if you factor in the contexts of the games themselves and how likely their victories were, major upset mega-kick by an absolute loser of a team against one of the league's absolute best isn't a ridiculous pick. It all depends on what one's criteria is.

[rickyh24]

I see what you're saying but even though the game wasn't that close you could make the argument that Chung's special teams play is what made sealed the deal for the Pats. If there ever was a week to give out a co-special teams player of the week this was it.

[TwoStep2888]

I see what you're saying but even though the game wasn't that close you could make the argument that Chung's special teams play is what made sealed the deal for the Pats. If there ever was a week to give out a co-special teams player of the week this was it.

Oh yeah, I know. I'd have voted Chung if it were up to me; I'm just offering a possible explanation for why Scobee got it. And yeah, a co-player of the week would have been the best route to take, probably. Or just give one of them the NFC's that week — it's not like anyone deserved it as much over there. :lol

[dmbbearcat]

I'm sure this has been talked about, but as a Bengals fan, I must express how much I envy your management.

Trade away a 4th round pick for Moss. Steal a few great seasons from him. Trade him away for a 3rd round pick. Now you have two picks in each of the first four rounds in next year's draft. This is why the Pats will be great forever, elite management. Kudos. I envy you.

[pathetic]

I'm sure this has been talked about, but as a Bengals fan, I must express how much I envy your management.

Trade away a 4th round pick for Moss. Steal a few great seasons from him. Trade him away for a 3rd round pick. Now you have two picks in each of the first four rounds in next year's draft. This is why the Pats will be great forever, elite management. Kudos. I envy you.

+ 3yr/28mil contract.

but yes, the pats management is phenomenal

[dmbbearcat]

+ 3yr/28mil contract.

but yes, the pats management is phenomenal

I obviously don't know the ins and outs of everything that goes on. But from an outsider's perspective, you guys know what the fuck you're doing.

And the Pats are the only Boston team I like, so you have that going for you. Which is nice :lol

[thebestauntie]

I obviously don't know the ins and outs of everything that goes on. But from an outsider's perspective, you guys know what the fuck you're doing.

And the Pats are the only Boston team I like, so you have that going for you. Which is nice :lol
Gee thanks Evan. :lol

[dmbbearcat]

Gee thanks Evan. :lol

Well, I don't care one way or the other for the Celtics, only because the NBA doesn't interest me. But outside of Kevin Youkilis, who grew up in Cincinnati, I don't really like the Red Sox. I do respect the awesome organization they run though.

[TwoStep2888]

someone posted a thoughtful analysis of the Moss trade and the state of the Patriots on a different forum; I thought I would share it w/ my ants Patsfan friends :)

I think that there are a lot of really oood points being made on either side about the Randy Moss trade, though I'm not quite sure if either side has really presented some really clear points for and against. It seems to be a lot of incoherent grasping at straws by everyone including me, given the shocking nature of the event. I reject wholeheartedly the approach to denigrate Moss' character simply because he was traded. But if I had draw upon these ideas make a few points to rest my hat on in defense of this trade, I'd make these few:

A. The 2007 Patriots certainly were the most influential offensive team of the late 2000s, and the most influential today. Their inclusion of a spread offense brought to a radical extreme, and the historic success they had in that scheme, certainly has created a drive in the league towards emulating this success. Randy Moss is a part of this legacy of the 2007 Patriots spread. There certainly is a bandwagoning effect throughout the league that is very common to all times, and I think this is really no different. The hostility towards trading Moss, going against the offense that the Patriots themselves made, is certainly breaking with trends and with orthodox offensive thinking around the league.

Of course, there's certainly a reason to leave the spread as it reaches its possible peak in the NFL. Simply put, as offenses begin using more Patriot spread concepts in their offense, the defense will find a way to shut down this offense. This is an inevitably. In fact, I would argue that the struggles the Patriots have had with the Jets 3-4 man-coverage defense represents a defensive shift that is already happening. If the Patriots are to stay as competitive as they have been, they must be ahead of the curve. If one wishes evidence of this shift towards a different offense, one need only to see the kind of players that the Patriots have drafted in 2009, and the kind of play-calling that has been happening since. There's been a far more balanced mix of runs and passes called, and the passes are more conservative plays meant for yards after the catch. Aaron Hernandez is perhaps the biggest single reflection of this.

B. The Patriots, regardless of what ESPN says, is not the team of old men that it once was. Out of a roster of 53, it is starting 31 players drafted after the 2006 draft. Many of them in absolutely key positions. Certainly this is not an offense built towards winning now, and this trade reflects that trend. Could Randy Moss have played for long enough for this team to mature? Possibly, and I would even argue probably. But I would argue that there's one even bigger advantage to trading Moss than just his youth.

C. The Patriots are in the middle of switching offenses, and while Moss is certainly a valuable asset to have in any offense, a pick in the 3rd round might be the difference between a key draft or a key trade that gives this new scheme the player that is absolutely needed. And with the expanded roster sizes, we certainly could see a new age of schematic flexibility and innovation in the NFL. Randy Moss can add to any scheme, but when the Patriots are shifting to a whole new style of play (I am convinced the changes in play-calling will only become more extreme) there simply may not be the luxury of keeping around a rather expensive any perhaps nonessential part of an offense. No one is asking Taylor Price or Brandon Tate to fill the roll that Randy Moss lost, and certainly Taylor Price is a project that will not be effective this year. But being a "deep threat" asks for different things depending on different things. Depending on the scheme, Brandon Tate or Taylor Price might do just fine. There's more than two or three ways to beat an offense. The NFL drives schemes towards uniformity and orthodoxy, but I would argue that there is certainly rewards in innovation.

D. Of course, there's also the obvious reason to trade Moss that has nothing to do with coaching, strategy or schemes. Robert Kraft did not want to pay 33-year-old Randy Moss before a lockout year with a huge contract. This was Randy's last year with the Patriots, and everyone in the organization knew it. Belichick was able get compensation for a player he was already going to lose at the end of the season anyway.

http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3354495&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=51#post382953621

[TwoStep2888]

Also the Patriots are in talks to acquire Deion Branch

[rickyh24]

someone posted a thoughtful analysis of the Moss trade and the state of the Patriots on a different forum; I thought I would share it w/ my ants Patsfan friends :)



http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3354495&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=51#post382953621

Thanks. Very good analysis I wish everyone that thinks this team is done now would read it.

[DMBstandUP1984]

I'm sure this has been talked about, but as a Bengals fan, I must express how much I envy your management.

Trade away a 4th round pick for Moss. Steal a few great seasons from him. Trade him away for a 3rd round pick. Now you have two picks in each of the first four rounds in next year's draft. This is why the Pats will be great forever, elite management. Kudos. I envy you.

which would be true..if they had drafted well the last few years..which time has proven they haven't. Aside from a few... most are gone, not playing to what they thought, or not playing at all....Lets not forgot all the people they have missed out on by trading down all these years.

Their biggest/best pickups have been free agents or trades..ie Moss, Welker.

[TempHelpNeeded]

I hope we get Branch back so one of my jerseys can be worn again.

[rickyh24]

which would be true..if they had drafted well the last few years..which time has proven they haven't. Aside from a few... most are gone, not playing to what they thought, or not playing at all....Lets not forgot all the people they have missed out on by trading down all these years.


:lol Give me a break.

Edelman
Tate
Chung
Mayo
Meriweather
Wheatley

All drafted in 2009,2008 and 2007. Do they have a 100% success rate?? No but who does?

Not to mention its already looking like they did a fairly decent job this past year.

and they used draft picks in 07 to acquire Wes Welker. So we can pretty just call that draft a huge success.

[TwoStep2888]

the Patriots are among the best drafting teams in the league. Pats, Steelers, Vikings, Packers, Chargers, and Colts are top-tier teams for drafting and developing homegrown talent.

[DMBstandUP1984]

:lol Give me a break.

Edelman
Tate
Chung
Mayo
Meriweather
Wheatley

All drafted in 2009,2008 and 2007. Do they have a 100% success rate?? No but who does?

Not to mention its already looking like they did a fairly decent job this past year.

and they used draft picks in 07 to acquire Wes Welker. So we can pretty just call that draft a huge success.

and now go back to those draft classes and look who they passed up on by trading down.

Edelman is not very impressive besides being injury prone with 1 Receiving Td. Meriweather just came back from being benched. Tate was injured most of last year..seems like he could be a special teams talent..but a Moss replacement? ahh no. Chung is doing really well the last few weeks, Mayo is average. And Wheatley was mostly injured and has a career 4 tackles.

And if you want to go back to 2006 the only player left on the team from that draft is the Kicker.

[DMBstandUP1984]

I do like the Hernandez kid from this years draft

[rickyh24]

and now go back to those draft classes and look who they passed up on by trading down.

Edelman is not very impressive besides being injury prone with 1 Receiving Td. Meriweather just came back from being benched. Tate was injured most of last year..seems like he could be a special teams talent..but a Moss replacement? ahh no. Chung is doing really well the last few weeks, Mayo is average. And Wheatley was mostly injured and has a career 4 tackles.

And if you want to go back to 2006 the only player left on the team from that draft is the Kicker.

:lol You must have missed what Edelman did last year with Welker out and Merriweather was benched for one game to teach him a lesson. He was a pro bowler last year you know. Funny you didn't mention that though. and who said anything about Tate needing to replace Moss? He will play Moss's position but that in no way means he needs to be Moss for this team to do well. Once again we get it, you're a Colts fan you don't like the Pats you will never give them credit for anything......it's already played out and its the 4th week of the season.

[DMBstandUP1984]

:lol You must have missed what Edelman did last year with Welker out and Merriweather was benched for one game to teach him a lesson. He was a pro bowler last year you know. Funny you didn't mention that though. and who said anything about Tate needing to replace Moss? He will play Moss's position but that in no way means he needs to be Moss for this team to do well. Once again we get it, you're a Colts fan you don't like the Pats you will never give them credit for anything......it's already played out and its the 4th week of the season.

i was giving them nothing but credit yesterday. I even said they could be a 11-5 team.

Edelman is injury prone..has 1 career receiving touchdown..fact. Merriweather was benched and great a tackling someone...15 yards after they already caught the ball.

I thought the Pats would be 2-2 going into the bye week. I think the Ravens will beat them...But I think they will take care of the Vikings..I hate Farve way more then I hate the Pats...I still think they have some issues on Offense they only had one scoring drive last week...Sure some drives were taking away with the blocked kicks, pick - 6 and kickoff return. Clearly the D still has some issues. But they are playing a lot better football then I expected. I want the Pats to stay as a team with a high compete level or it takes the fun out of it.

[dmbgodagirl41]

New England is going to have 8 picks in the first 4 rounds of the draft next year. Holy shit, that's awesome.....

[dmbgodagirl41]

i was giving them nothing but credit yesterday. I even said they could be a 11-5 team.

Edelman is injury prone..has 1 career receiving touchdown..fact. Merriweather was benched and great a tackling someone...15 yards after they already caught the ball.

I thought the Pats would be 2-2 going into the bye week. I think the Ravens will beat them...But I think they will take care of the Vikings..I hate Farve way more then I hate the Pats...I still think they have some issues on Offense they only had one scoring drive last week...Sure some drives were taking away with the blocked kicks, pick - 6 and kickoff return. Clearly the D still has some issues. But they are playing a lot better football then I expected. I want the Pats to stay as a team with a high compete level or it takes the fun out of it.

The Ravens cannot beat them. It can't happen. I am still getting shit talked and reminded of the fact that the Ravens won in the playoffs last year. I'll seriously fucking lose friends if Baltimore beats New England next weekend, because I'll start saying shit that will really piss off my Baltimoron fan friends, and it won't be pretty.

[rickyh24]

The offense does not have issues. When they were on the field last week they ran the ball fine and brady looked good. They just didn't have the ball much. What did brady miss on 4 passes or so?? I don't have the numbers in front of me. Jarvis Green ran for 80 or so in limited carries if I'm not mistaken.

[dmbgodagirl41]

I <3 Law Firm.

[pathetic]

this offense is going to be just fine. i like that the defense has 2 weeks to prepare for a good opponent

[rickyh24]

Apparently brady contacted deion branch last week about a possible return to the pats.

[pathetic]

Apparently brady contacted deion branch last week about a possible return to the pats.

yeah just heard about that too. i guess carroll is reluctant to let him go though. that WR core for the seahawks would be horrible

[dmbbearcat]

They'd likely have to depart with a draft pick for Branch. Could work for both teams. Pats get a WR familiar with the team, Carroll gets a pick to draft a guy he wants in his system.

[pathetic]

They'd likely have to depart with a draft pick for Branch. Could work for both teams. Pats get a WR familiar with the team, Carroll gets a pick to draft a guy he wants in his system.

things ended pretty rocky with the pats Front Office and Branch. Branch held out, then the pats fined him like half a mil for holding out :lol then he seeked a trade and didnt get one, then finally got traded to seattle.

i'd take him back anyday...hell we traded him for a 1st round pick which ended up being meriweather.

hopefully carroll would take a 2nd round pick (doubt it though lol)

[rickyh24]

I would rather they keep the 2nd rounder.

[dmbbearcat]

I would rather they keep the 2nd rounder.

+1. I don't think Branch is worth it.

Regardless, do the Pats look for a legit #1 WR in the first round next year? They have two of them to use. Thoughts?

[pathetic]

+1. I don't think Branch is worth it.

Regardless, do the Pats look for a legit #1 WR in the first round next year? They have two of them to use. Thoughts?

NOOOOO!!!!! defense bitches!!!!

[pathetic]

if we draft a WR with our first round pick i'm gonna look like those eagles fans when they drafted donovan

[parkmandrill]

Vincent Jackson.

[rickyh24]

Vincent Jackson.

I don't see them taking that chance. Guy is one strike away from missing a year.

[dmbbearcat]

NOOOOO!!!!! defense bitches!!!!

Yeah, they definitely need a pass rusher, no?

[pathetic]

Yeah, they definitely need a pass rusher, no?

def need pass rushers. a lot of young players on this defense. stars in college like mayo, spikes, meriweather, mccourty that will eventually be key roles in this defense. a lot of people laugh now and jump all over the pats D, but what a lot of people dont realize is that pats continue to win games while rebuilding the team.

[dmbbearcat]

def need pass rushers. a lot of young players on this defense. stars in college like mayo, spikes, meriweather, mccourty that will eventually be key roles in this defense. a lot of people laugh now and jump all over the pats D, but what a lot of people dont realize is that pats continue to win games while rebuilding the team.

After the Bengals, the Pats are usually the team I root for next in the AFC, albeit casually. I have mucho respect for the organization.

[DMBstandUP1984]

The Ravens cannot beat them. It can't happen. I am still getting shit talked and reminded of the fact that the Ravens won in the playoffs last year. I'll seriously fucking lose friends if Baltimore beats New England next weekend, because I'll start saying shit that will really piss off my Baltimoron fan friends, and it won't be pretty.

They beat them in the playoffs and the Ravens lost to them in the regular season on a wide open 4th and short dropped pass.

I think they Pats have a damn good chance to beat them..but I feel like the Ravens will inch one out.

As far as 1st round pics..you guys think there is any chance they go after a running back?

[jackisback24]

I think Tate will be the new Faulk this year w/screens and Edelman might do some routes going deep. I don't know about a 2nd round pick for Branch. Too bad the dude from the Giants who was banned for guns isn't available! :lol

[rickyh24]

I think if that pick from oaklans end up being a top 5 they will probably grab a running back.

[jaking1185]

Now I see why they got rid of Moss: :lol

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Moss-and-Brady-argued-about-whose-hair-looks-wor?urn=nfl-275875

[rickyh24]

Gentlemen, gentleman; both your follicle-stylings look awful. Brady telling Moss that his hair looks bad is like Creed telling Nickleback that they're lame. Takes one to know one.


:lol :lol

[dmbgodagirl41]

New England has to win on Sunday. THEY HAVE TO. Redneck/hillbillies are already talking smack to me about how the Ravens are going to rape.

[Crush086]

Don't pretend like you all didn't notice Joe Cool and Co. dismantle the Broncos yesterday.

It's okay to be afraid. The Ravens do that to opponents... it's an expected reaction when facing an offense as scaring as this one.

[dmbgodagirl41]

Don't pretend like you all didn't notice Joe Cool and Co. dismantle the Broncos yesterday.

It's okay to be afraid. The Ravens do that to opponents... it's an expected reaction when facing an offense as scaring as this one.

True or false: The QB for you guys that has a SB Ring is Trent Dilfer.

[smudge1]

True or false: The QB for you guys that has a SB Ring is Trent Dilfer.:lol:lol:lol

[pathetic]

Don't pretend like you all didn't notice Joe Cool and Co. dismantle the Broncos yesterday.

It's okay to be afraid. The Ravens do that to opponents... it's an expected reaction when facing an offense as scaring as this one.

Orton still threw up 314 and 2Tds

good job stopping maroney :lol

[dmbgodagirl41]

I have Orton in one of my FF leagues, and when I saw the score, I was like "SHIT he sucked".

he got me, like, 32 points....If the Ravens let Kyle Orton get 300+ yards AT HOME, they be fucked against Brady in New England.

[Crush086]

True or false: The QB for you guys that has a SB Ring is Trent Dilfer.
Yes, Dilfer did have a SB ring as a Raven, however, soon we'll be adding Flacco to that list.

That's hardly relevant to the massacre that will occur this Sunday though. I see Tom throwing at least 2 interceptions, and eating turf at least twice also.

[Crush086]

Orton still threw up 314 and 2Tds

good job stopping maroney :lol
Different strategy for different teams. With the Patriots next week, Baltimore could afford to play a little softer and conserve their energy for the Patriots.




^Regardless of what actually occurred, that's how I'm spinning it to look better for myself.

[dmbgodagirl41]

Is it wrong that I can't take Ravens fans seriously? Its not like any of them grew up with Ravens gear or the team has enough of a history to be able to be proud of the Ravens.

It's like a "die hard" nationals fan. They don't exist, so neither should die hard Ravens fans.

[rickyh24]

Especially a ravens/yankees fan....amirite?

[rickyh24]

This may be the biggest game of the year for the pats.

[Crush086]

Is it wrong that I can't take Ravens fans seriously? Its not like any of them grew up with Ravens gear or the team has enough of a history to be able to be proud of the Ravens.

It's like a "die hard" nationals fan. They don't exist, so neither should die hard Ravens fans.
Haters gonna hate.
Especially a ravens/yankees fan....amirite?
lulz

[DMBstandUP1984]

Is it wrong that I can't take Ravens fans seriously? Its not like any of them grew up with Ravens gear or the team has enough of a history to be able to be proud of the Ravens.

It's like a "die hard" nationals fan. They don't exist, so neither should die hard Ravens fans.

they've only been around since 1995..so unless you're 15 its kinda hard to grew up with Ravens gear on

And they did win a super bowl after only being a team for 5 years....plus thanks to the ravens trading their pick in 2003 the Pats picked up Vince Wilfork.....That being said Ray Lewis might be one of my least favorite players in the league.

[dmbgodagirl41]

Especially a ravens/yankees fan....amirite?

Those people can choke on a dick while taking in the ass....or, they probably already do.

they've only been around since 1995..so unless you're 15 its kinda hard to grew up with Ravens gear on

And they did win a super bowl after only being a team for 5 years....plus thanks to the ravens trading their pick in 2003 the Pats picked up Vince Wilfork.....That being said Ray Lewis might be one of my least favorite players in the league.

To the Bolded: This is kinda my point. I guess it's because I live in Baltimore, and I'm so sick and tired of my friends (who are in their late 20s) claim to be life-long die hard Ravens fans. Funny, because up until the 9th grade, you claimed to be a die-hard Redskins fan. Whatever, dicks.

And to the rest, that is true...and Ray Lewis needs to get pwn'd by someone smaller with him and then he gets put into a shame spiral until he quits and realizes that no one is impressed with his murdering attitude. YOURE OLD.

[DMBstandUP1984]

Those people can choke on a dick while taking in the ass....or, they probably already do.



To the Bolded: This is kinda my point. I guess it's because I live in Baltimore, and I'm so sick and tired of my friends (who are in their late 20s) claim to be life-long die hard Ravens fans. Funny, because up until the 9th grade, you claimed to be a die-hard Redskins fan. Whatever, dicks.

And to the rest, that is true...and Ray Lewis needs to get pwn'd by someone smaller with him and then he gets put into a shame spiral until he quits and realizes that no one is impressed with his murdering attitude. YOURE OLD.


True..he did murder somebody...was he the one the cops found hiding in the trunk of a car??

Are the pats going to use Woodhead to pick up the block on Lewis next week? For the sake of the lil dude..i really hope not.

[DMBstandUP1984]

Oh yea...As much as I hope this Brady/Moss hairgate is true....I really have a hard time believing it.

[rickyh24]

Oh yea...As much as I hope this Brady/Moss hairgate is true....I really have a hard time believing it.

:lol it is very absurd. I mean maybe they were going back and forth just screwing around but it is in no way the reason this trade went down. I hate the media.

[Crush086]

Those people can choke on a dick while taking in the ass....or, they probably already do.
That's pretty gross. I can gladly say I've never choked on a penis, nor have I ever received one in my rectum.

Also note that I've never had a penis in my mouth...


To the Bolded: This is kinda my point. I guess it's because I live in Baltimore, and I'm so sick and tired of my friends (who are in their late 20s) claim to be life-long die hard Ravens fans. Funny, because up until the 9th grade, you claimed to be a die-hard Redskins fan. Whatever, dicks.
Ravens are pretty much the only team I've ever followed. In theory I guess you could label me the "not a lifelong fan", but it works for me.

[pathetic]

True..he did murder somebody...was he the one the cops found hiding in the trunk of a car??

Are the pats going to use Woodhead to pick up the block on Lewis next week? For the sake of the lil dude..i really hope not.

:lol seriously? Benjarvus Green-Ellis baby woooooo!!!!!

[rickyh24]

They should just let ty warren be the shotgun running back.

[pathetic]

They should just let ty warren be the shotgun running back.

:lol playing both sides of the ball he'd lose 50lbs a game

[Beebz]

True or false: The QB for you guys that has a SB Ring is Trent Dilfer.

Ray Rice just ran for another TD against the Patriots.

Orton still threw up 314 and 2Tds

good job stopping maroney :lol

I have Orton in one of my FF leagues, and when I saw the score, I was like "SHIT he sucked".

he got me, like, 32 points....If the Ravens let Kyle Orton get 300+ yards AT HOME, they be fucked against Brady in New England.

If you watched the game you'd know that those stats were all in garbage time. He had 185 yards in the beginning of the fourth quarter with the Ravens up 21. The Ravens sat back in prevent and let Orton rack up yards. He had one nice 42-yard bomb that Lloyd made a great catch on at the end of the first half. Other than that he was completely shut down.

Is it wrong that I can't take Ravens fans seriously? Its not like any of them grew up with Ravens gear or the team has enough of a history to be able to be proud of the Ravens.

It's like a "die hard" nationals fan. They don't exist, so neither should die hard Ravens fans.

They've been around for 15 years. What age to most kids start following football? 10? 12? So anyone like 25 and younger could consider themselves lifelong fans. What, are we supposed to apologize because our team got stolen and we didnt have a squad to root for. There are five fanbases in all of the NFL more passionate and committed than Ravens fans. You live there. You hear it. You see the city put purple lights on everything come January. Its a big deal.

[pathetic]

garbage time = fake stats?

[Beebz]

garbage time = fake stats?

Yeah, pretty much.Its not an accurate representation of what would have happened had the game been close. Are you really taking issue with garbage time stats on a prevent defense?

[rickyh24]

Purple lights :lol

[pathetic]

Yeah, pretty much.Its not an accurate representation of what would have happened had the game been close. Are you really taking issue with garbage time stats on a prevent defense?

nope, i was talking about fantasy value and what the ravens let orton get.

[Beebz]

nope, i was talking about fantasy value and what the ravens let orton get.

Oh. Well I was talking about real NFL stats. Look at the stats and it seems like Orton shredded the Ravens, when in reality he got shut down until the game was well in hand.

[Beebz]

Purple lights :lol

http://explorebaltimorecounty.com/blogs/politics/files/2008/12/purplecourthouse.jpg

http://static.zooomr.com/images/3901979_8c90254f2f_o.jpg
http://baltimoredrivebys.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/20090106-drivebys.jpg

[pathetic]

Oh. Well I was talking about real NFL stats. Look at the stats and it seems like Orton shredded the Ravens, when in reality he got shut down until the game was well in hand.

i know orton's a shitty QB. i watched him throw 4ints in the 1st half of a game at soldier field one year :lol

he's a hell of a fantasy QB in that offensive system

[Beebz]

i know orton's a shitty QB. i watched him throw 4ints in the 1st half of a game at soldier field one year :lol

he's a hell of a fantasy QB in that offensive system

Yeah people--paid analysts and writers--are talking about him like he's an elite QB and that Denver easily got the better end of that deal. I see no evidence supporting that.

[rickyh24]

http://explorebaltimorecounty.com/blogs/politics/files/2008/12/purplecourthouse.jpg

http://static.zooomr.com/images/3901979_8c90254f2f_o.jpg
http://baltimoredrivebys.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/20090106-drivebys.jpg

That's really pretty.

[Lcsulla]

There are five fanbases in all of the NFL more passionate and committed than Ravens fans.

This is just nonsense. :lol

[Beebz]

This is just nonsense. :lol

Steelers, Eagles, Jets, Packers are the only ones I'd put over the Ravens right now. Oakland is terrible so they dont make the cut. Pats, Skins, and Bears fans are close. Maybe this is better.

Tier 1 football fans:
Steelers
Ravens
Jets
Packers
Eagles

Tier 2
Raiders
Patriots
Bears
Redskins
Cowboys
Saints
Chiefs

Tier 3
Giants
Colts
Titans
Seahawks
49ers
Browns
Vikings
Dolphins

Tier 4
Falcons
Bengals
Lions
Broncos
Bills
Bucs
Rams
Cardinals

Tier Z
Chargers
Panthers
Jaguars
Texans

[rickyh24]

Packers tier 1 but not the pats :lol
Edit: oh fanbases....actually still dumb.

[pathetic]

pretty much every one of your "tier 2" teams have just as strong a fanbase as the "tier 1" teams

[thebestauntie]

Steelers, Eagles, Jets, Packers are the only ones I'd put over the Ravens right now. Oakland is terrible so they dont make the cut. Pats, Skins, and Bears fans are close. Maybe this is better.

Tier 1 football fans:
Steelers
Ravens
Jets
Packers
Eagles

Tier 2
Raiders
Patriots
Bears
Redskins
Cowboys
Saints
Chiefs

Tier 3
Giants
Colts
Titans
Seahawks
49ers
Browns
Vikings
Dolphins

Tier 4
Falcons
Bengals
Lions
Broncos
Bills
Bucs
Rams
Cardinals

Tier Z
Chargers
Panthers
Jaguars
Texans
This is why I don't pay attention to your posts in the football threads. :lol

[Crush086]

http://baltimoredrivebys.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/20090106-drivebys.jpg
Strong file name.

However, this thread is about to be mindlessly derailed by unquantifyable statements.

[Lcsulla]

Jets tier 1 and Giants tier 3? I beg to differ on that one. Giants fans around here are far more vocal and zealous than Jets.

Pats are tier 2? Come on, I hate the tuck rule motherfuckers more than North Korea but at least I can concede that their fans are as solid as any.

Check out a Raiders game, tell me the fact that they are mediocre has lessened the zeal of the fans.

[DMBstandUP1984]

Jets tier 1 and Giants tier 3? I beg to differ on that one. Giants fans around here are far more vocal and zealous than Jets.

Pats are tier 2? Come on, I hate the tuck rule motherfuckers more than North Korea but at least I can concede that their fans are as solid as any.

Check out a Raiders game, tell me the fact that they are mediocre has lessened the zeal of the fans.

Pats fans have gotten more solid over the last ten years...in the same way Red Sox fans have also.

[Beebz]

pretty much every one of your "tier 2" teams have just as strong a fanbase as the "tier 1" teams

Not really. Ravens and Steelers play in football dominated cities. Green Bay is Green Bay. Jets and Eagles fans are just insane. Those fanbases are identifiable with the teams.

New England is sort of this amorphous blob that encompasses six or seven states. There's no identity there. Like I said, the Raiders are down, the Saints have a lot of new bandwagoneers, and the rest are pretty strong. There's not a whole hell of a lot of separation anyway.

[rickyh24]

No identity? Wtf are you talking about?

[DMBstandUP1984]

pretty much every one of your "tier 2" teams have just as strong a fanbase as the "tier 1" teams


so do most of the "tier 3" teams

[Beebz]

Pats fans have gotten more solid over the last ten years...in the same way Red Sox fans have also.

Yeah, the bandwagon definitely hurts the Pats.

Jets tier 1 and Giants tier 3? I beg to differ on that one. Giants fans around here are far more vocal and zealous than Jets.

Pats are tier 2? Come on, I hate the tuck rule motherfuckers more than North Korea but at least I can concede that their fans are as solid as any.

Check out a Raiders game, tell me the fact that they are mediocre has lessened the zeal of the fans.

Jets fans are the more well-known fanbase nationally.

Again, the Pats cover this huge amorphous area and they werent this great fanbase or whatever before they got awesome.

The Raiders have been so bad for so long that they cannot be considered near the top of the heap. I will give them a ton of credit for not quitting after all these years, though.

[pathetic]

Not really. Ravens and Steelers play in football dominated cities. Green Bay is Green Bay. Jets and Eagles fans are just insane. Those fanbases are identifiable with the teams.

New England is sort of this amorphous blob that encompasses six or seven states. There's no identity there. Like I said, the Raiders are down, the Saints have a lot of new bandwagoneers, and the rest are pretty strong. There's not a whole hell of a lot of separation anyway.

NE has the biggest area to cover like "a blob" but what's wrong with that? i know people from RI, Vermont, MA, and NH with season tickets and faitfully travel to every home game. i'd say that's a pretty dedicated fan base

[Beebz]

No identity? Wtf are you talking about?

What city do the Pats play in? What state do they represent? They are a regional collection of states and cities that only started paying attention after a super bowl.

[DMBstandUP1984]

No identity? Wtf are you talking about?

I wish i could remember the story as to why they became the "New England" patriots...Felger and Mazz were talking about it last week....I know the "story" was location change..but there is a real story behind it.

[rickyh24]

This is why I don't pay attention to your posts in the football threads. :lol

You may be a pink hat but you're a damn smart pink hat.

[Beebz]

NE has the biggest area to cover like "a blob" but what's wrong with that? i know people from RI, Vermont, MA, and NH with season tickets and faitfully travel to every home game. i'd say that's a pretty dedicated fan base

There's nothing wrong with it, its just that it lacks a bit of identity and community that other metropolitan-area teams have.

Serious question: When the Pats won where was the parade? Boston?

[DMBstandUP1984]

I'm pretty sure it had something to do with Billy Sullivan

[rickyh24]

What city do the Pats play in? What state do they represent? They are a regional collection of states and cities that only started paying attention after a super bowl.

One of your dumber posts.

[DMBstandUP1984]

There's nothing wrong with it, its just that it lacks a bit of identity and community that other metropolitan-area teams have.

Serious question: When the Pats won where was the parade? Boston?

You do know Boston is in Massachusetts right? I'm not being a dick asking that question...I've been in other states and when I tell people I'm from Boston I sometimes get back "that is near Mass right?"

[thebestauntie]

There's nothing wrong with it, its just that it lacks a bit of identity and community that other metropolitan-area teams have.

Serious question: When the Pats won where was the parade? Boston?
When the Giants won their Super Bowls, they had their parades in NYC even though they actually play their games in New Jersey. So I guess this means they don't really have a solid fan base or identity, right? :rolleyes

[MDrums54]

pretty much every one of your "tier 2" teams have just as strong a fanbase as the "tier 1" teams

lies. the redskins, and cowboys have terrible fans. redskins fans, generally, are the least-knowledgable fans in all of football.

and half of cowboy fans couldnt even tell you why they like the cowboys - the random fans in places everywhere BUT texas only like the team because they kicked ass in the 90s.

Pats fans have gotten more solid over the last ten years...in the same way Red Sox fans have also.

i would hope to god new england fans have gotten more solid over the last 10 years.....its not like you had three championship winning teams or anything

:rolleyes

[pathetic]

There's nothing wrong with it, its just that it lacks a bit of identity and community that other metropolitan-area teams have.

Serious question: When the Pats won where was the parade? Boston?

they had a couple, but yes, boston was their main parade (all 3x)

[Beebz]

You do know Boston is in Massachusetts right? I'm not being a dick asking that question...I've been in other states and when I tell people I'm from Boston I sometimes get back "that is near Mass right?"

You really arent trying to be a dick with that question?

[pathetic]

lies. the redskins, and cowboys have terrible fans. redskins fans, generally, are the least-knowledgable fans in all of football.

and half of cowboy fans couldnt even tell you why they like the cowboys - the random fans in places everywhere BUT texas only like the team because they kicked ass in the 90s.



i would hope to god new england fans have gotten more solid over the last 10 years.....its not like you had three championship winning teams or anything

:rolleyes

i dont give a shit if they are as dumb as rocks, they are still dedicated

[DMBstandUP1984]

You really arent trying to be a dick with that question?

okay, maybe a little. But I have been asking that before.

[Beebz]

i dont give a shit if they are as dumb as rocks, they are still dedicated

Yeah, its more of a dedication thing. Eagles fans are dumber than Forrest Gump after a dozen concussions but they show up and go crazy, good or bad teams.

okay, maybe a little. But I have been asking that before.

Did you answer in Borat voice like this?

[DMBstandUP1984]

Yeah, its more of a dedication thing. Eagles fans are dumber than Forrest Gump after a dozen concussions but they show up and go crazy, good or bad teams.



Did you answer in Borat voice like this?

haaah and by asking I mean asked.

[MDrums54]

Yeah, its more of a dedication thing. Eagles fans are dumber than Forrest Gump after a dozen concussions but they show up and go crazy, good or bad teams.



id be willing to bet my middle nut that any random eagles fan is more knowledgable about the game of football (as well as their team) than any redskin fan.

[dmbgodagirl41]

Ray Rice just ran for another TD against the Patriots.





If you watched the game you'd know that those stats were all in garbage time. He had 185 yards in the beginning of the fourth quarter with the Ravens up 21. The Ravens sat back in prevent and let Orton rack up yards. He had one nice 42-yard bomb that Lloyd made a great catch on at the end of the first half. Other than that he was completely shut down.



They've been around for 15 years. What age to most kids start following football? 10? 12? So anyone like 25 and younger could consider themselves lifelong fans. What, are we supposed to apologize because our team got stolen and we didnt have a squad to root for. There are five fanbases in all of the NFL more passionate and committed than Ravens fans. You live there. You hear it. You see the city put purple lights on everything come January. Its a big deal.

To the bolded: I actually had a patriots Starter Jacket (that I asked for) in the first grade, so that made me, what, six?
You had a squad to root for: The Redskins. :)

Also, I :lol pretty hard at the purple lights, because when the Ravens suck, nothing is purple, and you turn on 98 rock and all you hear is "how much are we going to be horrible today?" but the second the Ravens aren't shit, everyone is a HUGE FAN AGAIN.

Ravens fans remind me of Tampa Bay fans.

[dmbgodagirl41]

id be willing to bet my middle nut that any random eagles fan is more knowledgable about the game of football (as well as their team) than any redskin fan.

I'll take that bet. All the die-hard Eagles fans only know shit about their own team and they KNOW the eagles will win the SB every year. The few Die-Hard redskins fans I know have a MUCH broader sense of the NFL as a whole.

[smudge1]

To the bolded: I actually had a patriots Starter Jacket (that I asked for) in the first grade, so that made me, what, six?
You had a squad to root for: The Redskins. :)

Also, I :lol pretty hard at the purple lights, because when the Ravens suck, nothing is purple, and you turn on 98 rock and all you hear is "how much are we going to be horrible today?" but the second the Ravens aren't shit, everyone is a HUGE FAN AGAIN.

Ravens fans remind me of Tampa Bay fans.3-1 baby!! Same as the Pats!:lol

[dmbgodagirl41]

3-1 baby!! Same as the Pats!:lol

:lol exactly! :)

When Tampa Bay sucks balls, no one is at Tropicana, but suddenly, now that they are in the playoffs, the "die-hards" are in full swing!

[rickyh24]

3-1 baby!! Same as the Pats!:lol

And yet home games are still being blacked out.

[smudge1]

And yet home games are still being blacked out.Yup. 3-1 doesn't put any extra $$$ in my pocket.

[rickyh24]

Yup. 3-1 doesn't put any extra $$$ in my pocket.

:lol ya that's the problem. No one in tampa can afford the tickets.

[smudge1]

:lol ya that's the problem. No one in tampa can afford the tickets.Pretty much. All of the cheap tickets get sold and the $$$ tickets remain unsold.

[dmbgodagirl41]

Afford the tickets? Can you walk up to the ticket counter and actually get tickets on the day of the game? Shut the fuck up.

[smudge1]

Afford the tickets? Can you walk up to the ticket counter and actually get tickets on the day of the game? Shut the fuck up.just checked. I can get nosebleeds for $81.25. :lol
Edit: x 4 = $325. Nope. Can't afford that right now.

[rickyh24]

Maybe the buccaneers should give away 20000 tickets to the next home game.

[smudge1]

Maybe the buccaneers should give away 20000 tickets to the next home game.Good idea!

[seekupig]

Steelers, Eagles, Jets, Packers are the only ones I'd put over the Ravens right now. Oakland is terrible so they dont make the cut. Pats, Skins, and Bears fans are close. Maybe this is better.

Tier 1 football fans:
Steelers
Ravens
Jets
Packers
Eagles

Tier 2
Raiders
Patriots
Bears
Redskins
Cowboys
Saints
Chiefs

Tier 3
Giants
Colts
Titans
Seahawks
49ers
Browns
Vikings
Dolphins

Tier 4
Falcons
Bengals
Lions
Broncos
Bills
Bucs
Rams
Cardinals

Tier Z
Chargers
Panthers
Jaguars
Texans


any "tier" of fanbases that doesn't have the Chiefs near the top is just wrong.

[dmbgodagirl41]

just checked. I can get nosebleeds for $81.25. :lol
Edit: x 4 = $325. Nope. Can't afford that right now.

That's for a regular season game? Yikes.

[Beebz]

To the bolded: I actually had a patriots Starter Jacket (that I asked for) in the first grade, so that made me, what, six?
You had a squad to root for: The Redskins. :)

Also, I :lol pretty hard at the purple lights, because when the Ravens suck, nothing is purple, and you turn on 98 rock and all you hear is "how much are we going to be horrible today?" but the second the Ravens aren't shit, everyone is a HUGE FAN AGAIN.

Ravens fans remind me of Tampa Bay fans.

When have the Ravens been bad? There's been like two years since they won the super bowl when they didnt have a winning record.

any "tier" of fanbases that doesn't have the Chiefs near the top is just wrong.

They're in the second tier....:confused

[seekupig]

When have the Ravens been bad? There's been like two years since they won the super bowl when they didnt have a winning record.



They're in the second tier....:confused

if you consider the Ravens a tier 1 fanbase, then the Cheifs belong there as well. i actually don't consider it a contest. the Browns should be Tier 1 as well. maybe we're looking at this differently, but i feel that you can tell the most about a loyal fanbase when the team is bad.

[dmbgodagirl41]

When have the Ravens been bad? There's been like two years since they won the super bowl when they didnt have a winning record.



They're in the second tier....:confused

Winning record doesn't = good year, IMO, making the playoffs is a good year.

I can remember in, like, 2005, listening to 98 rock before Ravens games and the DJs would be going on and on about how much they thought the Ravens were going to suck that day. People would call in and just bash the team and complain about how shitty the team was, etc.

Also, the purple lights thing around the city lasted for the year after the super bowl and then that's a recent thing since they have made it to the playoffs in the last couple years. Baltimore only bleeds purple when their team doesn't shit the bed.

And based on your "Tier 1" you must judge on "Most inbred, redneck, mentally retarded blatant homerism fanbases in the NFL", because that's what Tier 1 is made up of. I would agree with Green Bay, though; that fan base is insane.

[Beebz]

if you consider the Ravens a tier 1 fanbase, then the Cheifs belong there as well. i actually don't consider it a contest. the Browns should be Tier 1 as well. maybe we're looking at this differently, but i feel that you can tell the most about a loyal fanbase when the team is bad.

I would agree with that. Arrowhead became a lot easier place to play in recent years because the Chefs were bad. The Browns' fanbase only gets up for the AFC North games. Other than that they dont care. They're more reputation than anything.

Id be OK with the Chiefs on that top level though.

[seekupig]

I would agree with that. Arrowhead became a lot easier place to play in recent years because the Chefs were bad. The Browns' fanbase only gets up for the AFC North games. Other than that they dont care. They're more reputation than anything.

Id be OK with the Chiefs on that top level though.

They've sold out every home game since coming back into the NFL. i'm not a Browns defender by any means, but any team as bad as they are that sells out EVERY home game is a pretty loyal fanbase, imo.

i haven't seen the report in a while, but at one time Arrowhead was the loudest stadium in the NFL including domes. and the tailgating there is second to none... :thumbsup

[Beebz]

Winning record doesn't = good year, IMO, making the playoffs is a good year.

I can remember in, like, 2005, listening to 98 rock before Ravens games and the DJs would be going on and on about how much they thought the Ravens were going to suck that day. People would call in and just bash the team and complain about how shitty the team was, etc.

Also, the purple lights thing around the city lasted for the year after the super bowl and then that's a recent thing since they have made it to the playoffs in the last couple years. Baltimore only bleeds purple when their team doesn't shit the bed.

And based on your "Tier 1" you must judge on "Most inbred, redneck, mentally retarded blatant homerism fanbases in the NFL", because that's what Tier 1 is made up of. I would agree with Green Bay, though; that fan base is insane.

Winning record certainly isnt a bad year is all I'm saying. How many teams have winning records every year? The Ravens have three losing seasons since 2000, six playoff appearances, and a Super Bowl. That's impressive. Every city has fans that are insane and complain. Baltimore is never down on the Ravens.

Yes, the team celebrates playoff appearances. Do you want them to put up the lights in the rare years that they lose? I mean come on.

[dmbgodagirl41]

Winning record certainly isnt a bad year is all I'm saying. How many teams have winning records every year? The Ravens have three losing seasons since 2000, six playoff appearances, and a Super Bowl. That's impressive. Every city has fans that are insane and complain. Baltimore is never down on the Ravens.

Yes, the team celebrates playoff appearances. Do you want them to put up the lights in the rare years that they lose? I mean come on.

So? Since 1996 (I'll go with the same time since the Ravens have been around), New England has had only one losing season, 10 playoff appearances, 4 super bowl appearances and 3 super bowl rings. That means shit when it comes to fan base legit-ness, IMO.

And yes, they should put the lights up whether they lose or not, whether they are in the playoffs or not....IF the city truly does support their football team.

So youre admitting that people ARE down on the Ravens or not?

[pathetic]

so since 2000 the pats have 3 super bowl championships...just sayin...

[Beebz]

So? Since 1996 (I'll go with the same time since the Ravens have been around), New England has had only one losing season, 10 playoff appearances, 4 super bowl appearances and 3 super bowl rings. That means shit when it comes to fan base legit-ness, IMO.

And yes, they should put the lights up whether they lose or not, whether they are in the playoffs or not....IF the city truly does support their football team.

So youre admitting that people ARE down on the Ravens or not?

Comparing the Ravens' record and the Pats is a bit disingenous. Baltimore was an expansion franchise. To have a SB in five years is remarkable. And again, is New England emblematic of a normal NFL team?

All it means in terms of fans is that you have a lot of bandwagoners.

No, purple lights should not go up in January if the Ravens are sitting at home. Its a special thing they do for the playoffs.

Im saying that every city has crazy fans who call talk radio stations and complain. They are not the slightest bit emblematic of the entire fanbase at all.

[dmbgodagirl41]

Comparing the Ravens' record and the Pats is a bit disingenous. Baltimore was an expansion franchise. To have a SB in five years is remarkable. And again, is New England emblematic of a normal NFL team?

All it means in terms of fans is that you have a lot of bandwagoners.

No, purple lights should not go up in January if the Ravens are sitting at home. Its a special thing they do for the playoffs.

Im saying that every city has crazy fans who call talk radio stations and complain. They are not the slightest bit emblematic of the entire fanbase at all.

You're correct about the unfair comparison, and I'm not saying that the SB win wasn't great, I'm just saying that I didn't know ANY Ravens fans 10 years ago. I know nothing but Ravens fans now (and I mean people who I was friends with from the area 10 years ago and the same people today).

I just find it ludicrous that you say Ravens fans are in the Top Tier in terms of "fan-dom", and you put Saints fans in the same tier as New England fans. Really? New Orleans didn't know they had a team until last year....

[TempHelpNeeded]

NEON DEION!!!!!!

@Adam_Schefter Adam Schefter
Filed to ESPN: Seattle traded WR Deion Branch to New England for a fourth-round pick. Bet Tom Brady is happy.

[jackisback24]

Just saw this on the game. Don't like losing a 4th rounder but better than a 3rd rounder. Bet Tom gets inspired.

[TempHelpNeeded]

I could care less about the fourth rounder. We still got a third rounder for Moss and now we have our old WR back. I like our chances again!

[pathetic]

as long as branch can perform better than a 4th rounder

[pathetic]

Branch and brady HAD great chemistry but branch and the front office also HAD negotiation problems. hope he can still put up some big time plays

[TempHelpNeeded]

as long as branch can perform better than a 4th rounder


I don't know about you, but I have full confidence he will. Branch used to be the top star on this offense next to Brady. Welker is by far better and younger, so I'm sure he'll be the focus of the DBs, etc. Branch is going to have some great chances, just have to see if his hands are still there.

[rickyh24]

I'm fine with it for a 4th rounder.

[pathetic]

I don't know about you, but I have full confidence he will. Branch used to be the top star on this offense next to Brady. Welker is by far better and younger, so I'm sure he'll be the focus of the DBs, etc. Branch is going to have some great chances, just have to see if his hands are still there.

they def had to try it....only giving up a 4th rounder and they have a stacked draft next year. it'd be awesome if he could get back into that comfort level with brady. talk about quick receivers...branch, welker, tate, edelman

[thebestauntie]

Jesse, are you available for lunch this Sunday? I have rehearsal for the Christmas Musical at 1:30pm, I figured maybe we could grab some lunch sometime around 12:15? :)

[pathetic]

Jesse, are you available for lunch this Sunday? I have rehearsal for the Christmas Musical at 1:30pm, I figured maybe we could grab some lunch sometime around 12:15? :)

wow this post is all sorts of fail.

1) you want me to miss pregame???

2) you're going to miss the ravens/pats game because you'll be a rehearsal for a christmas music before Halloween?

3) you're going to miss the game?!!!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?1?1?1?1?

fail!

uhmmmmmm im watching the game with my pops at 1, but i'll get coffee with you a little earlier if you want!

[thebestauntie]

wow this post is all sorts of fail.

1) you want me to miss pregame???

2) you're going to miss the ravens/pats game because you'll be a rehearsal for a christmas music before Halloween?

3) you're going to miss the game?!!!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?1?1?1?1?

fail!

uhmmmmmm im watching the game with my pops at 1, but i'll get coffee with you a little earlier if you want!
Haha, yeah, I wasn't happy when I found out rehearsal was at 1:30pm, but it's only one of like 2 games that I'll miss watching this year. I'll live, I think. :lol I should be able to catch the second half of the game because I'll only be there for about 45 mins. I can always DVR the game and watch it when I get home. We'll see.

Coffee sounds good. :) Panera at 12:30pm, does that work for you?

[pathetic]

Haha, yeah, I wasn't happy when I found out rehearsal was at 1:30pm, but it's only one of like 2 games that I'll miss watching this year. I'll live, I think. :lol I should be able to catch the second half of the game because I'll only be there for about 45 mins. I can always DVR the game and watch it when I get home. We'll see.

Coffee sounds good. :) Panera at 12:30pm, does that work for you?

how about 12:15? so i can get back in time for kickoff

[thebestauntie]

how about 12:15? so i can get back in time for kickoff
I don't think I'd be able to get there by then. I guess it won't work for this week. :shrug

[hbktonyb]

If the Ravens beat you guys they are clearly the best team in football, beating the Jets, Pitt and NE. If you win, we really have a 4 team race through the first quarter plus of the season. Will be interesting to see how we do against Denver, as their offense can be explosive.

[dmbgodagirl41]

Im stoked for Branch, but if that guy gets a hang nail, he's on the IR.

[dmbgodagirl41]

I hope the Ravens implode and the entire city goes into Mourning. It'll make me wearing my Patriots jacket, scarf, mittens, hat and socks (even if it's 90 degrees) on Monday that much fucking better.

[Crush086]

It'll make me wearing my Patriots jacket, scarf, mittens, hat and socks (even if it's 90 degrees) on Monday that much fucking better.
Strong logic.

[dmbgodagirl41]

Strong logic.

What, that the Ravens losing will make me want to silently rub it in their faces? What's strange about that!? sounds perfectly fine to me. :D

[thebestauntie]

I hope the Ravens implode and the entire city goes into Mourning. It'll make me wearing my Patriots jacket, scarf, mittens, hat and socks (even if it's 90 degrees) on Monday that much fucking better.
I just want them to lose. :lol

[Crush086]

What, that the Ravens losing will make me want to silently rub it in their faces? What's strange about that!? sounds perfectly fine to me. :D
Scarf and mittens is a bit overkill. I hope you have a heat stroke if you do that. lulz

But it won't matter anyway, because you'll be hiding all your Patriots gear after they lose.

[pathetic]

Scarf and mittens is a bit overkill. I hope you have a heat stroke if you do that. lulz

But it won't matter anyway, because you'll be hiding all your Patriots gear after they lose.

ya cuz 3-2 means season over

[Crush086]

ya cuz 3-2 means season over
Not even remotely relevant, but nice try anyways.

[thebestauntie]

Not even remotely relevant, but nice try anyways.
Being irrelevant hasn't ever stopped you from posting.

[Crush086]

Being irrelevant hasn't ever stopped you from posting.
Wow, that was low. I wasn't even talking to you! lol

It's fine though. My relevancy, or lack thereof has never stopped me from posting nonsense before!

[thebestauntie]

Wow, that was low. I wasn't even talking to you! lol

It's fine though. My relevancy, or lack thereof has never stopped me from posting nonsense before!
Wait wishing you would die is okay but calling your posts irrelevant is low? Blololololololololo

[Crush086]

Wait wishing you would die is okay but calling your posts irrelevant is low? Blololololololololo
That's a good point actually. You're just an evil, evil person.

[thebestauntie]

That's a good point actually. You're just an evil, evil person.
I can live with that.

[dmbgodagirl41]

Based on the moronic drivel on 98 rock this morning, and that asshole redneck moron, Mickey, New England MUST win this weekend.

[Clem Haskins]

Looks like Mankins will be reporting to the squad mid-November. Hut hut hike.

[TempHelpNeeded]

Mangina is reporting?

[Beebz]

Based on the moronic drivel on 98 rock this morning, and that asshole redneck moron, Mickey, New England MUST win this weekend.

Mickey is awesome.

[rickyh24]

Patriots have reportedly started working on a contract extension for welker.

[DMBstandUP1984]

“Call up Mr. Brady. Tell him to leave his hair to that guy that sings Baby”

and Justin Beiber has called out Tom Brady...first his Amazon wife carries him around by his balls and now Justin Bieber is calling him out...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9rUjEKihyU&feature=player_embedded#!

[pathetic]

ive really never seen so many people angry over a haircut. hair grows and sometimes people dont wanna cut it. no one was saying anything when big ben had long locks and looked like a pro wrestler

[Beebz]

ive really never seen so many people angry over a haircut. hair grows and sometimes people dont wanna cut it. no one was saying anything when big ben had long locks and looked like a pro wrestler

This. Who gives a shit what haircut your QB has? Good lord.

[DMBstandUP1984]

wow..calm down guys. its a joke

I've never seen a group of people get so upset over something before.

[DMBstandUP1984]

ive really never seen so many people angry over a haircut. hair grows and sometimes people dont wanna cut it. no one was saying anything when big ben had long locks and looked like a pro wrestler


its different..when he says things like "ask me wife about that" when people ask him about it...Big Ben is just a big dumb (good) qb.

[pathetic]

its different..when he says things like "ask me wife about that" when people ask him about it...Big Ben is just a big dumb (good) qb.

im not angry, but it's pretty annoying that the topic of convo this season has been more hair than how great tb is playing.

[rickyh24]

Cowboys :lol

[rickyh24]

im not angry, but it's pretty annoying that the topic of convo this season has been more hair than how great tb is playing.

:lol brady is such a loser keeping his hair long because his super model wife likes it. What a fucking tool.

[pathetic]

:lol brady is such a loser keeping his hair long because his super model wife likes it. What a fucking tool.

:lol :lol

i was against the contract extension

[DMBstandUP1984]

im not angry, but it's pretty annoying that the topic of convo this season has been more hair than how great tb is playing.

911 yards 9 touchdowns and 2 INTs is not exactly great.

and you are a tool if your wife dictates your haircut...supermodel or not

[pathetic]

911 yards 9 touchdowns and 2 INTs is not exactly great.

and you are a tool if your wife dictates your haircut...supermodel or not

seeing how he was barely on the field 2 weeks ago cuz the defense and special teams scored most the points, he still has the top QB rating and hasnt played the same amount of games as most the other QBs due to the bye

[DMBstandUP1984]

I'm sure after this week his numbers won't look much better.

[Beebz]

911 yards 9 touchdowns and 2 INTs is not exactly great.

and you are a tool if your wife dictates your haircut...supermodel or not

Its pretty damn good in four games.

I'm sure after this week his numbers won't look much better.

Depends he's gonna have to throw a lot.

I honestly dont know who topick in that game. Winning in Foxboro is toughhhhhhh.

[pathetic]

I'm sure after this week his numbers won't look much better.

i'm not too worried about it

[DMBstandUP1984]

Its pretty damn good in four games.



Depends he's gonna have to throw a lot.

I honestly dont know who topick in that game. Winning in Foxboro is toughhhhhhh.

Its going to be a tough game..but the Ravens just look like the team to beat this year. They already knocked off the Jets, Steelers and Broncos.

I think Brady is ranked 15th this week in terms of Fantasy QBs for week 6

[rickyh24]

911 yards 9 touchdowns and 2 INTs is not exactly great.


How does his qb rating look?

[rickyh24]

seeing how he was barely on the field 2 weeks ago cuz the defense and special teams scored most the points, he still has the top QB rating and hasnt played the same amount of games as most the other QBs due to the bye

Omg logic.

[pathetic]

How does his qb rating look?

109 aka the best in the league, but haters say that qb rating is an overrated stat

fuck! i picked up orton in FF cuz rodgers might not start and orton is going against Jets D...forgot...

[DMBstandUP1984]

109.0...which is good...

Since a good majority of his passes are dumps to Welker that are impossible to pick off, or drop when you're throwing to a talent like Wes

[Beebz]

109 aka the best in the league, but haters say that qb rating is an overrated stat

fuck! i picked up orton in FF cuz rodgers might not start and orton is going against Jets D...forgot...

Its overrated at this point in the season. Most teams have only played four or five games, and statistically speaking you can get a lot of duds in there that artificially raises your rating.

[pathetic]

109.0...which is good...

Since a good majority of his passes are dumps to Welker that are impossible to pick off, or drop when you're throwing to a talent like Wes

you know brady has great accuracy. dont try and water his stats down cuz he has welker

[rickyh24]

I'm sure after this week his numbers won't look much better.

I'm sure after this week the cowboys will be 1 - 4.

[DMBstandUP1984]

In the fourth quarter of the Patriots last eight “true” road games dating back to the start of the 2009 season, Brady has a passer rating of 29.3. In the fourth quarter of the Patriots’ last five road games, Brady has compiled a passer rating of 10.5. And his passer rating in the second half of the Jets game this year was 16.9

So you tell me, is the passer rating stat an overrated stat?

thats all fact not opinion

[rickyh24]

109.0...which is good...

Since a good majority of his passes are dumps to Welker that are impossible to pick off, or drop when you're throwing to a talent like Wes

:lol the amount of effort you put in to not giving brady credit is hilarious.

[DMBstandUP1984]

I'm sure after this week the cowboys will be 1 - 4.

Probably...Cowboys have a boat load of problems..most of it begins with the fat old guy in the polo on the sidelines.

[DMBstandUP1984]

:lol the amount of effort you put in to not giving brady credit is hilarious.


Brady is a good QB..2007 was a great year for him.

[rickyh24]

Brady is a good QB..2007 was a great year for him.

Yeah we know what you think. For some reason you feel like pointing that out in this thread 4 times a week.

[pathetic]

Brady is a good QB..2007 was a great year for him.
i'd say he's had a hell of a career. 07 was his best season statistically speaking, but he did win 3 superbowls before that FYI (with no welker or moss (double FYI))

[DMBstandUP1984]

Nothing to say about his second half passer ratings?

Yeah they had a much better ground attack and defense during the SB years.

[rickyh24]

Is this really happening in this thread again? :lol

[DMBstandUP1984]

I think so..i just wanted to show you guys the thing about Bieber because i thought it was funny...didn't mean to spark a debate

[rickyh24]

Kid has two favorite nfl teams yet constantly comes in this thread to bash on brady. Last time I checked he is in a better position than the colts and cowboys. Regardless of what ever stupid sample size of stats you are going to find to make him look bad.

[pathetic]

Nothing to say about his second half passer ratings?

Yeah they had a much better ground attack and defense during the SB years.

oh no!!!! a superbowl winning QB has help from a decent running game and a good defense!!!!

you make it seem like hes trent dilfer that had everyone else win him a sb

[DMBstandUP1984]

Kid has two favorite nfl teams yet constantly comes in this thread to bash on brady. Last time I checked he is in a better position than the colts and cowboys. Regardless of what ever stupid sample size of stats you are going to find to make him look bad.

whats so wrong with two favorite NFL teams? its not like its the mid-90's and i love the cowboys and 49ers.

These two teams play each other once every like 3-4 years.

[DMBstandUP1984]

oh no!!!! a superbowl winning QB has help from a decent running game and a good defense!!!!

you make it seem like hes trent dilfer that had everyone else win him a sb


no i'm saying it was a collection of those things. Which is why they didn't win with Moss or Welker (yet)

[pathetic]

cowboys niners and colts :bounce :bounce

a combined 4-10

[DMBstandUP1984]

cowboys niners and colts :bounce :bounce

a combined 4-10

i don't like the niners

Just Colts/Cowboys

[pathetic]

i don't like the niners

Just Colts/Cowboys

4-5 :bounce

[rickyh24]

4-5 :bounce

:lol :lol

[TempHelpNeeded]

Tony Romo is by far better than Brady. I mean what has Brady done. :rolleyes

[uro55]

Brady's been "dissed" :lol

http://sports.espn.go.com/boston/nfl/news/story?id=5685386

[rickyh24]

^ Breaking News.

[luke7]

I apologize if this has already been posted. The Moss deal might have been a shocker for many but I've been saying the Pats need to get back to being more balanced and physical for about a couple of years, like they were when they were winning Super Bowls.

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FOXBORO, Mass. -- The record will show the Patriots dealt Randy Moss to the Minnesota Vikings on Oct. 6, 2010. But preparations for the blockbuster, from New England's perspective, were pushed into motion almost a year earlier than that.

And as soon as the Patriots pulled the reins in on their wide-open, spread attack, the idea of trading Moss became palatable. Easy? It never is, to trade away a talent like Moss.

What the evolution of the New England offense has done, though, is shift that prospect from the impossible to the improbable, then to a considersation and, finally, a reality in a 10-month span. So Moss is gone now, and the Patriots are ready for that.

When juxtaposed against the Deion Branch trade of 2006 -- a move that shipped the Super Bowl XXXIX MVP out of town with the team already needy at his position -- this one doesn't look so bad. Branch has returned, but he's just a part of the reason why New England's offense hardly figures to go careening off a cliff after losing one of the greatest receievers ever to slip on a pair of shoulder pads.

"The roster's always in transition with players getting injured and players moving," quarterback Tom Brady said on Wednesday. "I think it's something I'm used to. We put a good day of work in yesterday, and I'm excited to see what we do this weekend."


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This isn't exactly akin to putting some backup with a bum hammy on injured reserve, so take Brady's words with a grain of salt. There are things that Moss could do for the Patriots -- or any team, really -- that change the way the defense approaches an offense and lightens the load for the other four skill players surrounding the quarterback.

Those won't be replaced. Period. And the idea isn't necessarily to try.

It's more to get to the same destination -- the end zone -- using a different route. If riding Randy Moss to paydirt is like taking the interstate, then this might feel a little more like using the back-road shortcut that only the locals know.

The concept has worked in New England before, when so many on the outside had trouble identifying what made New England so tough to beat. The second-highest scoring Patriots team of the Belichick Era, the 2004 edition, had a leading receiver, David Givens, with 56 catches. Seven different skill players on that team had 15 or more receptions, and the team's need to threaten defenses down the field was filled by David Patten and Bethel Johnson, neither of whom will ever be mistaken for Brett Favre's new top target.

The trouble with that idea is this: In that world-championship season, New England also had an overpowering running game, behind bellcow Corey Dillon, and a defense full of clutch playmakers. The 2010 club doesn't have either.

But in a way, this type of passing game can help in those two facets of the game, keeping the chains moving to wear down the other defense and increase chances for the running game, and keeping its own defense off the field to save its legs and mitigate any potential damage its youth could cause.

Can it carry a team the way the explosive 2007 attack could? No.

It can protect one, though, against its own flaws. And when you come to realize that this season isn't Super Bowl-or-bust for the Patriots -- in fact, with the bushel of first- and second-year players in prominent roles, you could argue it's a rebuilding season of sorts -- then you see the big-picture benefits of moving forward with a new offensive identity, sans Moss.

"You throw it to the guy that's open," said Brady. "That's what I've always tried to do. ... I mean, a guy like Wes (Welker) gets open a lot, so he gets the ball a lot. I don't think it's really a concerted effort to make sure everyone has a catch coming out of the game.


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"I don't think you look at it like you need to get every eligible skill guy four catches. The guys that get open are going to get the ball."

This lines up nicely with Brady's catch phrase from the championship years, that his favorite receiver was the open one, but the truth is -- thanks to a number of factors on offense (i.e. high draft picks failing at tight end and running back, attrition at receiver) -- it has become reliant on two of his targets, rather than the group as a whole.

In 2009, 53.1 percent of Brady's throws (300 of 565) went in the direction of Welker and Moss, and that's despite Welker missing all of two games and most of another.

But at the end of the year, the look of that offense, even as it continued to be overly-reliant on Brady and the passing game, changed. In the first nine games of 2009, the Patriots ran the ball 35 or more times just once. In the six games to follow, that happened four times. And from Weeks 11-16, the previously wide-open Patriots had two or fewer receivers on the field for 217 of their 388 (55.9 percent) offensive snaps.

That doesn't mean the team doesn't still lean on Brady, its best player. The Patriots are 2-6 over the last two years when Brady's quarterback rating is at 85.0 or below. They were a combined 17-5 in such spots in their last three Super Bowl seasons (2003, '04, '07).

It does show, however, that they're trying to find more ways to beat opponents, something that was on display in Miami two Mondays ago. That involves the above referenced evolution, and also the incorporation of young weapons like Rob Gronkowski, Aaron Hernandez, Brandon Tate and Julian Edelman, as well as the return of Branch.

And in the end, this could play into the reincorporation of the style of offense New England had when it was winning Super Bowls, one that relies on a quarterback's ability to see the whole field and forces a defense to account for all of that. Brady, of course, can play in any offense this side of the triple-option, but one that allows him to play that kind of cerebral game is one that best accentuates his strengths.

That's why Branch's words on Tuesday were poignant.

"I'm just a piece of the puzzle," the new/old Patriot said. "I'm not the answer to anything, I'm just a piece of the puzzle."

That's always been the idea in Foxborough, that everyone is a piece to this larger puzzle. And the moves of the last week indicate a renewed emphasis on that concept.

And that made trading one piece, large as it was, just a little bit easier.

[TempHelpNeeded]

Bert Breer wouldn't wave to Zolack...he's pissed! :lol

[Beebz]

I apologize if this has already been posted. The Moss deal might have been a shocker for many but I've been saying the Pats need to get back to being more balanced and physical for about a couple of years, like they were when they were winning Super Bowls.

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Uh-huh. This is classic PR revisionist spin. Im sure the plan was to move on eventually. To cut him early in a season when a team has Super Bowl aspirations was certainly not part of it.

[rickyh24]

Uh-huh. This is classic PR revisionist spin. Im sure the plan was to move on eventually. To cut him early in a season when a team has Super Bowl aspirations was certainly not part of it.

The offensive game plan already has gone away from moss. He has been targeted less than half the times he usually has by this point in a seasom.

[Tiduwho]

Brady's been "dissed" :lol

http://sports.espn.go.com/boston/nfl/news/story?id=5685386

:lol:lol:lol

[rickyh24]

Ray Rice doubtful for Sunday.

[pathetic]

Ray Rice doubtful for Sunday.

great...excuse time

[rickyh24]

Deion Branch just sold his house in new england 2 months ago :lol

[seekupig]

Ray Rice doubtful for Sunday.

he's still listed as Questionable on the injury report. where did you see this?

[Beebz]

That's not anywhere on the Sun's website.


All five players who sat out Wednesday’s practice – running back Ray Rice, fullback Le’Ron McClain, defensive tackle Haloti Ngata, cornerback Josh Wilson and defensive end Paul Kruger – returned to Thursday’s session.
Ngata’s left knee was wrapped, but he was not wearing a brace. Wilson (hamstring) and Kruger (sprained medial collateral ligament in left knee) wore sweatpants, but both appeared to be moving well. Rice (knee) and McClain (shoulder/knee) weren’t hampered at all.
However, linebacker Prescott Burgess was not present during the portion of practice open to the media. He had fully participated Wednesday.
Linebackers Jameel McClain (knee) and Edgar Jones (thigh) – both of whom were limited Wednesday – were active.
Rookie outside linebacker Sergio Kindle completed a set of individual exercises with assistants Jim Zorn and Al Saunders.

And no, it wouldnt be an excuse if the best offensive player on the Ravens didnt play. Lose Brady for a game and Im sure the Pats are the same, right?

[ProudestAnt]

Ray Rice doubtful for Sunday.
I literally JUST read that he's expected to get his full workload on Sunday...

[rickyh24]

he's still listed as Questionable on the injury report. where did you see this?

I heard it on the radio.

[seekupig]

I literally JUST read that he's expected to get his full workload on Sunday...

i did a google search and the only reference i found to Ray Rice being doubtful was a thread on a Patriots forum from a guy who "heard it" on the radio. I'll believe it if it's on the injury report this afternoon.

[seekupig]

I heard it on the radio.

i did a google search and the only reference i found to Ray Rice being doubtful was a thread on a Patriots forum from a guy who "heard it" on the radio. I'll believe it if it's on the injury report this afternoon.

:lol:lol

was that your thread? :lol

[Beebz]

i did a google search and the only reference i found to Ray Rice being doubtful was a thread on a Patriots forum from a guy who "heard it" on the radio. I'll believe it if it's on the injury report this afternoon.

It was Ricky./

[rickyh24]

They are now saying he is questionable. Maybe they didn't update their sports flash until now.

[pathetic]

That's not anywhere on the Sun's website.



And no, it wouldnt be an excuse if the best offensive player on the Ravens didnt play. Lose Brady for a game and Im sure the Pats are the same, right?

you're out of your mind if you think the ravens minus ray rice is just as bad as the pats losing brady. there's no comparison to losing someone with the ball in their hands every offense down :confused

and boldin is their best offensive player

[Beebz]

you're out of your mind if you think the ravens minus ray rice is just as bad as the pats losing brady. there's no comparison to losing someone with the ball in their hands every offense down :confused

and boldin is their best offensive player

Brady makes the Patriots go. So does Rice.

Ray Rice is easily their most important, and best, offensive player. Boldin is their best receiver.

[seekupig]

Brady makes the Patriots go. So does Rice.

Ray Rice is easily their most important, and best, offensive player. Boldin is their best receiver.

weren't you the one yesterday in the Eyebrow thread that said the Ravens beating the Steelers without Ben was impressive because the "Steelers are the Steelers..."?

[pathetic]

Brady makes the Patriots go. So does Rice.

Ray Rice is easily their most important, and best, offensive player. Boldin is their best receiver.

:rolleyes so ray rice not playing is just as detrimental to the ravens as the colts minus manning, the pats minus brady, saints minus brees, packers minus rodgers? that's not true at all. with a different QB the offense changes more than missing a back...

Flacco runs the offense, not rice.

[Beebz]

weren't you the one yesterday in the Eyebrow thread that said the Ravens beating the Steelers without Ben was impressive because the "Steelers are the Steelers..."?

Exactly. That works for the Steelers. It doesnt work for everyone.

:rolleyes so ray rice not playing is just as detrimental to the ravens as the colts minus manning, the pats minus brady, saints minus brees, packers minus rodgers? that's not true at all. with a different QB the offense changes more than missing a back...

Flacco runs the offense, not rice.

A great running back is no less valuable than a great QB. If the player key to your offense is missing, it doesnt matter what the position is.

[pathetic]

:lol:lol

[seekupig]

A great running back is no less valuable than a great QB. If the player key to your offense is missing, it doesnt matter what the position is.

through 5 games, Ray Rice has only gone over 100 yards once (last week) and scored 2 TD's (both last week), yet they're still 4-1. i'd say he's not as important as you think he is. RB is a much easier position to just plug in another guy than QB is. if Ray Rice goes down for the season, the Ravens plug in someone else and still make it to the playoffs. if Brady, Brees or Manning goes down for the season, their teams are finished.

[Beebz]

through 5 games, Ray Rice has only gone over 100 yards once (last week) and scored 2 TD's (both last week), yet they're still 4-1. i'd say he's not as important as you think he is. RB is a much easier position to just plug in another guy than QB is. if Ray Rice goes down for the season, the Ravens plug in someone else and still make it to the playoffs. if Brady, Brees or Manning goes down for the season, their teams are finished.

That's all sorts of misleading. The Ravens played the Jets, Bengals, and Steelers in the first four games, three teams with top-15 defenses.

Generally speaking yes a RB is easier to replace. But not an elite talent like Rice, who is arguably the best player at his position in the league. With Rice out the Ravens probably dont make the playoffs.

The one game Rice went off the Ravens were up 21 with a minute left. Rice is the key to that team.

[seekupig]

That's all sorts of misleading. The Ravens played the Jets, Bengals, and Steelers in the first four games, three teams with top-15 defenses.

Generally speaking yes a RB is easier to replace. But not an elite talent like Rice, who is arguably the best player at his position in the league. With Rice out the Ravens probably dont make the playoffs.

The one game Rice went off the Ravens were up 21 with a minute left. Rice is the key to that team.

no, he isn't.

[pathetic]

That's all sorts of misleading. The Ravens played the Jets, Bengals, and Steelers in the first four games, three teams with top-15 defenses.

Generally speaking yes a RB is easier to replace. But not an elite talent like Rice, who is arguably the best player at his position in the league. With Rice out the Ravens probably dont make the playoffs.

The one game Rice went off the Ravens were up 21 with a minute left. Rice is the key to that team.

Rice the best RB in football?? :lol :lol come on man...

not even top 3

[Beebz]

no, he isn't.

Rice the best RB in football?? :lol :lol come on man...

not even top 3

Absurd.

Maybe Peterson, Maybe Johnson. That's it. Peterson fumbles a lot, which hurts him, and Johnson cant run between the tackles. Rice has no weakness at all.

[pathetic]

Absurd.

Maybe Peterson, Maybe Johnson. That's it. Peterson fumbles a lot, which hurts him, and Johnson cant run between the tackles. Rice has no weakness at all.

peterson, johnson, gore are all beter.

i've never seem someone overrate a great player this much. he's one of the best backs in the game, but he's not the best.

[Beebz]

peterson, johnson, gore are all beter.

:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:l ol

You dont really believe that, do you? Peterson is the only one Id really accept in the argument. Johnson is so one-dimensional but its hard to ignore his yards.

And get the fuck out of here with Gore. That is indefensible. Good lord.

[pathetic]

:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:l ol

You dont really believe that, do you? Peterson is the only one Id really accept in the argument. Johnson is so one-dimensional but its hard to ignore his yards.

And get the fuck out of here with Gore. That is indefensible. Good lord.

you kidding? they're like the same player pretty much, but i'd take gore

[seekupig]

Jammal Charles is better than Ray Rice.

<- not biased.

[Beebz]

you kidding? they're like the same player pretty much, but i'd take gore

Then you'd be an idiot.

/Gore just fumbled again

Jammal Charles is better than Ray Rice.

<- not biased.

Willis McGahee is better than Jammal Charles.

[dmbmuskie]

I'd take Rice. His consistency is awesome.

[pathetic]

Then you'd be an idiot.

/Gore just fumbled again



Willis McGahee is better than Jammal Charles.

1 more fumble than rice last year. and playing for an 0-5 team this year.

[seekupig]

Willis McGahee is better than Jammal Charles.

:lol:lol:lol

please. stop.