New England Patriots [Archive] - Page 5

dmbgodagirl41

10-13-2008, 12:11 AM

Cassell is fucking horrible. I can see why he hasn't played since High School. 1st down and goal and he couldn't even get the ball in the end zone. What a douche. Its not even that hes bad he just looks an an idiot out there. He has no idea what hes doing. Also...... Fuck you Tom Brady, enjoy spending time in NY with Giselle you piece of shit. Tom's a douche too, hes all Hollywood now. Cant even be on the sidelines to support his team. What a piece of crap. And that folks is what grinds my gears.......

Go Celtics!!!!

I was having a talk with a friend of mine about this. I hate Tommy's newly-acquired "model" attitude. He did JUST have surgery this past week, so I can understand why he might not be at the game tonight, but dammit, why wasn't he at other games?

My friend said that he shouldn't go because if there is a tackle on the sidelines, he could get more hurt because he is unable to get out of the way. Yes, it is highly likely that the exact same spot where Tom Brady is standing is going to be bombarded by out-of-bounds tackles. Bullshit. Support your team, don't bang out dudes posing as VS models.

He has a bad attitude. That's why I wear my Welker Jersey (ok today I work my HUGE tom brady Silver one, but ONLY because it's really big and I can't fit my arms into little ones because I can't put them over my head), and until Tommy's attitude gets better, I wear Welker.

I still love Tom Brady, but I wish he would be the Team Player that everyone knows that he is; even if that means being on the pine pony all season.

rickyh24

10-13-2008, 12:12 AM

Cyndy Lauper sings:

I see your TRUUUUUUUUUE COLORS!!!!

I still love the Pats, just calling it like I see it. I'm not going to sit here and say Cassell is good. I think it was pretty obvious today he has no clue what the fuck is going on out there.

BonerJam

10-13-2008, 12:13 AM

BonerJam

10-13-2008, 12:14 AM

dmbgodagirl41

10-13-2008, 12:15 AM

Brady had surgery a few days ago, what the fuck are you talking about?

He's rehabbing his knee, I'd rather him do that then stand on the sidelines on crutches..

Give him a break....

I didn't realize he had surgery in the pre-season, hence why he wasn't at a single one of those games, too.

We all still love the Patriots and Tommy; his attitude and lack of TEAM is just frustrating right now. Drew Bledsoe was on the sidelines every game back when he was taken out...what gives about Tommy?:shrug

BonerJam

10-13-2008, 12:15 AM

I was having a talk with a friend of mine about this. I hate Tommy's newly-acquired "model" attitude. He did JUST have surgery this past week, so I can understand why he might not be at the game tonight, but dammit, why wasn't he at other games?

My friend said that he shouldn't go because if there is a tackle on the sidelines, he could get more hurt because he is unable to get out of the way. Yes, it is highly likely that the exact same spot where Tom Brady is standing is going to be bombarded by out-of-bounds tackles. Bullshit. Support your team, don't bang out dudes posing as VS models.

He has a bad attitude. That's why I wear my Welker Jersey (ok today I work my HUGE tom brady Silver one, but ONLY because it's really big and I can't fit my arms into little ones because I can't put them over my head), and until Tommy's attitude gets better, I wear Welker.

I still love Tom Brady, but I wish he would be the Team Player that everyone knows that he is; even if that means being on the pine pony all season.

Dont try to compare Maroneys 'injury' with Bradys.

Brady had bad swelling in his knee before the surgery (which is why they waited so long) and now he juts had surgery, hell be out there when he can.

you all need to learn about what youre talking about a little bit.

rickyh24

10-13-2008, 12:16 AM

I was having a talk with a friend of mine about this. I hate Tommy's newly-acquired "model" attitude. He did JUST have surgery this past week, so I can understand why he might not be at the game tonight, but dammit, why wasn't he at other games?

My friend said that he shouldn't go because if there is a tackle on the sidelines, he could get more hurt because he is unable to get out of the way. Yes, it is highly likely that the exact same spot where Tom Brady is standing is going to be bombarded by out-of-bounds tackles. Bullshit. Support your team, don't bang out dudes posing as VS models.

He has a bad attitude. That's why I wear my Welker Jersey (ok today I work my HUGE tom brady Silver one, but ONLY because it's really big and I can't fit my arms into little ones because I can't put them over my head), and until Tommy's attitude gets better, I wear Welker.

I still love Tom Brady, but I wish he would be the Team Player that everyone knows that he is; even if that means being on the pine pony all season.

:lol that excuse is such bullshit. Tom just plain doesn't care about anything but himself. I'm willing to bet we will not see him at all this year (except for inside E magazine and other tabloids) . He is well enough to prance around NYC with his girl but not well enough to be on the sideline??? fuck that.

thebestauntie

10-13-2008, 12:17 AM

rickyh24

10-13-2008, 12:17 AM

Dont try to compare Maroneys 'injury' with Bradys.

Brady had bad swelling in his knee before the surgery (which is why they waited so long) and now he juts had surgery, hell be out there when he can.

you all need to learn about what youre talking about a little bit.

Nope he wont be out there. Plain and simple, he wont. Watch BonerJam you will see.

rickyh24

10-13-2008, 12:18 AM

Oh no I agree with you. THe Patriots are just horrible right now.

there is no heat here right now, Its been in the 50's the past three days. I'm freezing my ass off.

thebestauntie

10-13-2008, 12:19 AM

there is no heat here right now, Its been in the 50's the past three days. I'm freezing my ass off.
Shut up! :p

rickyh24

10-13-2008, 12:19 AM

youre an idiot

no you're an idiot

VanHorneDog

10-13-2008, 01:31 AM

Yeah, like Alex said, DE/DT, depending on the play. I think he's second string behind Mr. 76 or whatever that guy's name is. I email him once in a while so he can tell me how much he hates Merriman.

"Asshole buys baby gap shit so he looks more roided than we all know he is! Are you allowed to tackle your own teammate or is that bad form?"

:lol

i hope this is true on so many levels. im not a huge Merriman fan.

that said, he may be a douche, but my god he is one hell of a good OLB/DE. so, he stays. :shrug

thehoss

10-13-2008, 06:09 AM

Nope its not.....am i wrong???

Cassell Sucks.

Maroney is hurt and he is on the sideline. Why is Tom not there? He doesn't care about the team....... thats why. Just cares about himself.

i tried making this point last year, and i got laughed at. all it takes is your team coming back down to earth, eh? believe me, with or without brady, your team's psyche was demolished last february. i know we cant really assume that, since brady was hurt in the first game, but i truly believe it, man. go ahead and take your qb who lives in upscale hampton, with his supermodel girlfriend. ill take my blue-collar manning, who still lives in upper jersey by the waste dump, with his girlfriend from college, now wife. again, no knocking, i just firmly believe this.

rickyh24

10-13-2008, 06:34 AM

Eh...ill still take Brady over Manning anyday. You cant argue with results.

SoRight24

10-13-2008, 10:14 AM

Thats a shame.....;)

rickyh24

10-13-2008, 10:45 AM

Thats a shame.....;)

You are not allowed to talk trash in here.........not yet anyways.

dmbgodagirl41

10-13-2008, 11:30 AM

Dont try to compare Maroneys 'injury' with Bradys.

Brady had bad swelling in his knee before the surgery (which is why they waited so long) and now he juts had surgery, hell be out there when he can.

you all need to learn about what youre talking about a little bit.

Hi, you must be new here and not be aware of what I know about #12 and my level of being up his ass/knowing when he has a shitty attitude.

I'm Katie Brady. Nice to meet you.

dmbgodagirl41

10-13-2008, 11:31 AM

i hope this is true on so many levels. im not a huge Merriman fan.

that said, he may be a douche, but my god he is one hell of a good OLB/DE. so, he stays. :shrug

Oh, the guy is insane good, I'm not saying he isn't. He's just a little....intense. :lol

BonerJam

10-13-2008, 03:11 PM

For whoever talks about Brady as though they actually have a clue:

http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/73693

Brady will be with the team when he can....

It frustrates me when people talk about stuff they don't know about.

rickyh24

10-13-2008, 04:53 PM

Dude Brady had surgery last monday. He has been seen walking around NYC since then. If he can walk around NYC he can be on the sidelines now.

rickyh24

10-13-2008, 04:56 PM

and I'm sorry BonerJam but that article says absolutely nothing about Brady's plans to return to the sidelines.

BonerJam

10-13-2008, 05:19 PM

Dude Brady had surgery last monday. He has been seen walking around NYC since then. If he can walk around NYC he can be on the sidelines now.

He was out with his gf BEFORE surgery...Is hesupposed to be bed ridden for the rest of his life? Or can he have your permission to have a life?

And show me evidence of him being out cruisin the town in the last 6-7 days since his surgery, cause I'm pretty sure you simply made that up.

He is confined to NY until surgery...He is returning to Boston soon to rehab. He'll join the team when he can.

Give me a break man.

And honestly, I GUARANTEE you that NO ONE on the Patriots roster is complaining of Tom not being on the sidelines yet.. So if they don't care, why the hell should you? Worry about something that matters.

BonerJam

10-13-2008, 05:20 PM

and I'm sorry BonerJam but that article says absolutely nothing about Brady's plans to return to the sidelines.

Pretty positive that I never said it did.

Learn what you speak of.

rickyh24

10-13-2008, 05:24 PM

So what was the point of posting that article? Its useless info we all have seen already. Brady is just not a team player he will not be there all year. He is a great player but he is more a celebrity now than anything.

SoRight24

10-13-2008, 05:27 PM

Brady has no flaws......

And can do no wrong, learn of what you speak Ricky.

jmudmbphan

10-13-2008, 05:28 PM

ahh karma is sweet.

rickyh24

10-13-2008, 05:32 PM

^ You would know

jmudmbphan

10-13-2008, 05:34 PM

^ Yes I would. The Giants bring the good karma.

rickyh24

10-13-2008, 05:37 PM

:lol A-Rod Karma is more what I was getting at.

rickyh24

11-02-2008, 04:08 PM

Big game bump.

rickyh24

11-10-2008, 03:36 AM

No Tom Brady no posting huh? Still havent seen his ass on the sideline yet either. Maybe next week....yeah right.

LaDude

11-10-2008, 09:07 AM

Big game on Thursday night!

fuvonks

11-13-2008, 04:12 PM

Lets go Pats!!!

F the Mangina!

VanHorneDog

11-13-2008, 04:39 PM

so you guys dont really suck do you? lol.

thebestauntie

11-13-2008, 04:57 PM

so you guys dont really suck do you? lol.
Not as much as your mom does.

jmudmbphan

11-13-2008, 05:19 PM

brett favre and ty law are you going to dominate you tonight.

dmbgodagirl41

11-13-2008, 08:14 PM

does anyone in here remember that website that someone posted in the red sox and/or sox v. tampa thread that linked to all the games that are streamed live on TV?

I can't find it!! HELP!

Oh, and J-E-T-S SUCK SUCK SUCK!!!

dmbgodagirl41

11-13-2008, 08:15 PM

brett favre and ty law are you going to dominate you tonight.

oh, you mean the guy who sucked back in 2006, so much that the JETS cut his ass?

Yeah, I'm kinda scared.

boarderx5423

11-13-2008, 08:19 PM

Is it not televised?

dmbgodagirl41

11-13-2008, 08:19 PM

Is it not televised?

Only if you have DirecTV or NFL Network. I can't watch it. :lorraine

devilandthelord

11-13-2008, 08:42 PM

Ah! These Thursday night games mess me up, fantasy-wise.
Good thing I don't have anybody from the Jets or Pats on my team.

hbktonyb

11-13-2008, 09:29 PM

J-E-T-S JetsJetsJets!!!

gode10

11-13-2008, 09:32 PM

Favre FTW

hbktonyb

11-13-2008, 09:37 PM

These assholes at NFL network didn't even make a big deal about the greatest catch I've ever seen...JERICHO!

devilandthelord

11-13-2008, 09:47 PM

Oh I forgot! I do have Cotchery in one of my leagues! I hope my replacement for him does well this week. :BANG

hbktonyb

11-13-2008, 10:15 PM

2nd and 33
3rd and 21.

hahahahhahaha

dmbgodagirl41

11-13-2008, 10:44 PM

The pats be comin' back!

hbktonyb

11-13-2008, 10:56 PM

IF they jets lose this game, i am done with the franchise forever...

chr35919

11-13-2008, 10:59 PM

Only if you have DirecTV or NFL Network. I can't watch it. :lorraineif you live in the boston area, it's on abc...channel 5

devilandthelord

11-13-2008, 11:29 PM

Oh wow, OVERTIME!

hbktonyb

11-13-2008, 11:29 PM

i'm done

Dads_obsessed

11-13-2008, 11:31 PM

hey New yorkers, give me a radio station I can listen to this on...thanks

pats4life2003

11-13-2008, 11:45 PM

fuckin shit....

rickyh24

11-13-2008, 11:54 PM

Good game. Looks like the Jets are now in the same league as the Pats. It only took 10 starters going down.

devilandthelord

11-14-2008, 02:56 AM

Good game. Looks like the Jets are now in the same league as the Pats. It only took 10 starters going down.

Yeah I was gonna say, now that they have Favre and you don't have Brady.

But hey Cassell was the bomb-diggity tonight. So whatevs.

rickyh24

11-14-2008, 03:59 AM

ehh the pats without brady are better than the jets. they have had a ton of other injuries since tom went down. its pretty much 2nd string defense on the field at this point.

LaDude

11-14-2008, 09:44 AM

Went to the game last night. Feel like crap today. Awesome game even though the wrong team won. Who ever won the coin toss in OT was going to win that game...though the Pats had their chance on that 3rd and 15 play.

Cassel - 400 yds! 3 TDs! 68 rushing yds! If someone told me those would be his numbers before the game i would have guaranteed a Pats win.

jmudmbphan

11-14-2008, 11:04 AM

brett favre owned you. bow to him.

hbktonyb

11-14-2008, 11:07 AM

The only reason Cassell did that well is because the Jets decided to play dime defense in the 3rd and 4th quarter, and gave Cassell 15 yard passes.

VanHorneDog

11-14-2008, 01:41 PM

Not as much as your mom does.

its a good thing i get 40% of those profits for college.

jimibadfish

11-14-2008, 01:44 PM

Upside to this game...Maybe Cassell will start placing more trust in the hands of Moss on the more difficult throws now. It's like he won't throw to him unless he's wide open.

rickyh24

11-14-2008, 05:33 PM

brett favre owned you. bow to him.

Yeah not really though.

thebestauntie

11-14-2008, 10:31 PM

its a good thing i get 40% of those profits for college.
:lol :lol Good one!

SoRight24

11-15-2008, 09:47 AM

Upside to this game...Maybe Cassell will start placing more trust in the hands of Moss on the more difficult throws now. It's like he won't throw to him unless he's wide open.

Yes because according to you, Moss is the best receiver to ever play the game. :rolleyes

chr35919

11-15-2008, 10:18 AM

brett favre owned you. bow to him.:lol

kingchrisII

11-15-2008, 11:33 PM

brett favre owned you. bow to him.

QFT. :thumbsup

rickyh24

11-16-2008, 09:08 AM

QFT. :thumbsup

Are you serious or stupid?

SoRight24

11-16-2008, 09:09 AM

Are you serious or stupid?

Serious. ;)

rickyh24

11-16-2008, 09:19 AM

Lol the Pats got owned by a coin toss not Brett.

SoRight24

11-16-2008, 09:21 AM

Lol the Pats got owned by a coin toss not Brett.

A win is a win is a win.

SoRight24

11-16-2008, 09:23 AM

And plus, the guy lives in Jersey, there's not much to be happy about.

Give him a break. ;)

dm(b)

11-16-2008, 12:26 PM

Are you serious or stupid?:lol

dmbgodagirl41

11-16-2008, 08:00 PM

I know this is late, but I'm not that upset. I guess it's not much to get upset with when your starting QB, your first, second, and third string RBs and 1/2 your defense is currently on the bench/IR.

Good job, Jets. You're ability to beat a college-level football team is fantastic.

SoRight24

11-16-2008, 08:10 PM

rickyh24

11-16-2008, 08:16 PM

SoRight24

11-16-2008, 08:18 PM

Not having Brady is not the issue. The other injuries are hurting more at this point . Especially the defensive ones. If Brady was the only injury on the report the Pats would have beat the Jets just like earlier in the season. After next week it will be a first place tie again and we can go from there.

I gave you the fact that the other injuries were a factor.

But even if you had had Brady on Thursday night, I doubt he would have thrown for 400 + yards.

And we may well have lost with all of the Pats players playing, but you can't say for sure. It's not like we got blown out in the first game.

dmbgodagirl41

11-16-2008, 08:20 PM

Pats fans, gracious while they are winning and gracious in defeat as well. ;)

Your qb threw for 400 yards, do you honestly think Brady would have done any better? Granted those other reasons had a factor, but not having Brady had absolutely no effect on this game.
Brady would have had more TD passes.

Not to mention the bullshit calls that favored the fuck out of the Jets. The non-existent holding call on Vrabel which Resulted 1st and goal on the 5, for example.

It's fine, the Jets did win, but it's not because they were better. They were facing a team of 2nd, 3rd and 4th stringers, won a coin toss and had some game-breaking calls go their way.

SoRight24

11-16-2008, 08:24 PM

The injuries are just karma from last year. ;)

It is indeed, a bitch.

dmbgodagirl41

11-16-2008, 08:28 PM

so if injuries are a form of karma for new england, what would a geriatric qb and laverneus coles be in similar terms?

SoRight24

11-16-2008, 08:29 PM

so if injuries are a form of karma for new england, what would a geriatric qb and laverneus coles be in similar terms?

They are negated by the fact that Leon Washington owns.

dmbgodagirl41

11-16-2008, 08:32 PM

At what? Most cheeseburgers to be consumed by a single black dude?

:D

SoRight24

11-16-2008, 08:34 PM

At what? Most cheeseburgers to be consumed by a single black dude?

:D

Racist. :twenty4

dmbgodagirl41

11-16-2008, 08:35 PM

hahahahahaah I ain't racist, I own a colored TV!

SoRight24

11-16-2008, 08:38 PM

hahahahahaah I ain't racist, I own a colored TV!

:lol:lol

rickyh24

11-16-2008, 08:45 PM

I gave you the fact that the other injuries were a factor.

But even if you had had Brady on Thursday night, I doubt he would have thrown for 400 + yards.

And we may well have lost with all of the Pats players playing, but you can't say for sure. It's not like we got blown out in the first game.

I am saying that Cassel with a healthy Defense and the Pats would have taken this weeks game. I could care less about Brady. Cassel is coming along fine.

kingchrisII

11-17-2008, 01:17 AM

I am saying that Cassel with a healthy Defense and the Pats would have taken this weeks game. I could care less about Brady. Cassel is coming along fine.

The Jets had defensive injuries too. They were without Eric Smith and David Harris.

rickyh24

11-17-2008, 02:34 AM

The Jets had defensive injuries too. They were without Eric Smith and David Harris.

Two people? Wowzer.

BotheDMBFan

11-17-2008, 02:39 AM

Well, David Harris is great. Eric Smith is just a cheap shotting bitch.

libidoblitho

12-09-2008, 05:50 PM

uh oh. Please don't jinx us, please don't jinx us.:confused:freak:eek

http://www.nationalledger.com/artman/publish/article_272624120.shtml

LaDude

02-27-2009, 03:24 PM

The Patriots today traded linebacker Mike Vrabel to the Kansas City Chiefs.

Damn! I'll miss Vrabel. Great player in New England!

pathetic

02-27-2009, 03:25 PM

The Patriots today traded linebacker Mike Vrabel to the Kansas City Chiefs.

Damn! I'll miss Vrabel. Great player in New England!

yeah heard this...sad to see him go, good guy

devilandthelord

02-27-2009, 03:28 PM

They signed Fred Taylor.
I think its a good move for them.

LaDude

02-27-2009, 03:33 PM

They signed Fred Taylor.
I think its a good move for them.

Yeah - I like that move too. He should fill LaMont Jordan's role from last season.

LaDude

02-27-2009, 03:44 PM

Could this Vrabel trade be to clear cap space for another potential trade? Cassell for Peppers?

rickyh24

02-27-2009, 03:50 PM

Could this Vrabel trade be to clear cap space for another potential trade? Cassell for Peppers?

Sign Ray Lewis?

thebestauntie

02-27-2009, 03:53 PM

Could this Vrabel trade be to clear cap space for another potential trade? Cassell for Peppers?
Why would they do that when they franchised Cassel?

rickyh24

02-27-2009, 03:57 PM

Why would they do that when they franchised Cassel?

Its better than getting nothing for him. If Brady is ready why pay Cassel that much to sit the bench? They can get a very good player for him if they make the right deal.

thebestauntie

02-27-2009, 03:59 PM

Its better than getting nothing for him. If Brady is ready why pay Cassel that much to sit the bench? They can get a very good player for him if they make the right deal.
There's a lot of "if"s in that statement.

seekupig

02-27-2009, 04:01 PM

Why would they do that when they franchised Cassel?
you're guaranteed first round picks if you trade them. that's what KC did with Jared Allen last season. franchise, then trade and build in the draft

pathetic

02-27-2009, 04:01 PM

Yeah - I like that move too. He should fill LaMont Jordan's role from last season.

bigger role than jordan...taylor will share time with maroney...more like sammy morris' roll

Sign Ray Lewis?

that would be sick!

Why would they do that when they franchised Cassel?

game 1 1st Q last season....perfect example, plus cassel knows the offense fine and no1 can be sure brady wont be effected long term from his bo bo

There's a lot of "if"s in that statement.

yeah, he's sitting pretty on the bench making more than tb right?

rickyh24

02-27-2009, 04:02 PM

There's a lot of "if"s in that statement.

I count one. Well two. The second one doesn't count though.

rickyh24

02-27-2009, 04:03 PM

If Brady is ready and it looks like he will be Cassel will be moved.

seekupig

02-27-2009, 04:04 PM

A "non-exclusive" franchise player must be offered a one-year contract for an amount no less than the average of the top five salaries at the player's position in the previous year, or 120 percent of the player's previous year's salary, whichever is greater. A non-exclusive franchise player may negotiate with other NFL teams, but if he signs an offer sheet from another team, the original team has a right to match the terms of that offer, or if it does not match the offer and thus loses the player, is entitled to receive two first-round draft picks as compensation

seekupig

02-27-2009, 04:04 PM

If Brady is ready and it looks like he will be Cassel will be moved.

to Kansas City. :)

thebestauntie

02-27-2009, 04:08 PM

to Kansas City. :)
Cause that's going to help them. . .:lol

rickyh24

02-27-2009, 04:11 PM

Who would KC trade to get Cassel?

kittensXLI

02-27-2009, 04:11 PM

Cause that's going to help them. . .:lol
I'd take Cassel over any quarterback in this year's draft, that's for sure.

seekupig

02-27-2009, 04:11 PM

Cause that's going to help them. . .:lol

laugh it up.... they'll be good soon.

seekupig

02-27-2009, 04:12 PM

Who would KC trade to get Cassel?

Gonzo.

thebestauntie

02-27-2009, 04:14 PM

laugh it up.... they'll be good soon.
Depends on your definition of "soon".

kittensXLI

02-27-2009, 04:14 PM

Depends on your definition of "soon".
The next 2 years.

seekupig

02-27-2009, 04:14 PM

Depends on your definition of "soon".

i'll let you know my definition of soon after the draft and free agency ends. :lol

i'm thinking somewhere around 6-10 to 8-8 this year, playoffs next year.

thebestauntie

02-27-2009, 04:15 PM

I misread the post. I thought you were talking about Vrabel, no Cassel. I'm an dopey head. :BANG :lol :lol

kittensXLI

02-27-2009, 04:17 PM

i'll let you know my definition of soon after the draft and free agency ends. :lol

i'm thinking somewhere around 6-10 to 8-8 this year, playoffs next year.
If they don't blow it with this year's draft, Kansas City can get real good real fast.

seekupig

02-27-2009, 04:19 PM

If they don't blow it with this year's draft, Kansas City can get real good real fast.

everything i've read has them taking Mark Sanchez at #3.... that's what i'd consider blowing it in the draft.

kittensXLI

02-27-2009, 04:22 PM

everything i've read has them taking Mark Sanchez at #3.... that's what i'd consider blowing it in the draft.
By blowing it, I mean any pick that isn't Aaron Curry.

seekupig

02-27-2009, 04:24 PM

By blowing it, I mean any pick that isn't Aaron Curry.

i think he's going #2. i hope he falls to #3 though, then the temptation to go QB won't be as strong.

kittensXLI

02-27-2009, 04:28 PM

i think he's going #2. i hope he falls to #3 though, then the temptation to go QB won't be as strong.
Eh, the Rams are basically blowing it if they draft anyone that is not Jason Smith or Eugene Monroe. I'll be so shocked if Curry is gone by 3.

jmudmbphan

02-27-2009, 06:33 PM

pats suck.

kmb40oz

02-27-2009, 07:12 PM

can someone give me a scouting report on S James Sanders. Ive heard some things that suggest the Eagles are trying to get him to replace Brian Dawkins as our S. Is he a NFL caliber starting S, what are his strengths and weaknesses.

seekupig

02-28-2009, 01:51 PM

Who would KC trade to get Cassel?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3942130

not sure what they traded, but Cassel is a Chief. :D

rickyh24

02-28-2009, 02:24 PM

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3942130

not sure what they traded, but Cassel is a Chief. :D

:lol Jesus. Well that frees up a lot of dough. Oh and the Chiefs will still suck.

rickyh24

02-28-2009, 02:25 PM

Hello Draft picks.

seekupig

02-28-2009, 03:05 PM

Hello Draft picks.

spend that 1 draft pick wisely....

DavefaninNZ

02-28-2009, 03:18 PM

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3942130

not sure what they traded, but Cassel is a Chief. :D

Good call.

The story says that the Pats got the cheifs 2nd round pick, but was that for Vrabel or is that for Cassel?

seekupig

02-28-2009, 03:36 PM

Good call.

The story says that the Pats got the cheifs 2nd round pick, but was that for Vrabel or is that for Cassel?

both. :D

Hanlon421

02-28-2009, 03:36 PM

spend that 1 draft pick wisely....

BB know's what he's doing. And I'm sure NE will take your advice REAL seriously. But here's some advice for KC: Use Cassel's weak arm wisely. Hopefully you have some WR who can get chunks of yardage after the catch, otherwise you aren't going to move the ball much.

EDIT: And I emphasize "weak" when I refer to Cassel's arm strength...

seekupig

02-28-2009, 03:38 PM

But here's some advice for KC: Use Cassel's weak arm wisely. Hopefully you have some WR who can get chunks of yardage after the catch, otherwise you aren't going to move the ball much.

Dwayne Bowe and Tony Gonazalez aren't bad after the catch....

kittensXLI

02-28-2009, 03:43 PM

...and Cassel is a huge upgrade over any quarterback that was or still is on the Chiefs' roster.

Hanlon421

02-28-2009, 03:44 PM

Dwayne Bowe and Tony Gonazalez aren't bad after the catch....

Yeah, Tony G's 2.9 yac is huge.....And Bowe's 4 1/2 yds after per catch are on par with Welker's 6.8, Faulk's 8.6 yac, Moss' 5 yac...

New England set a record for highest percentage of passing yards being attributed to WR gaining yards after catch....Cassel is decent, but he can't throw the ball very far at all and was helped IMMENSELY by the WR he had and Mr Faulk...

Not to lay into you, but don't knock what NE is doing man unless you know the whole story...

Cheers

Hanlon421

02-28-2009, 03:45 PM

...and Cassel is a huge upgrade over any quarterback that was or still is on the Chiefs' roster.

That I agree with...

But again, I don't want to see some KC fan pretending that KC played NE here. Especially one who thought that Tony G would for some reason be involved in the deal...:lol

Cassel isn't worth more than a 2nd rounder.
And who else would NE have traded with? No one.

seekupig

02-28-2009, 03:47 PM

Yeah, Tony G. catches a lot of screens and his 2.9 yac is huge.....And Bowe's 4 1/2 yds after per catch are on par with Welker's 6.8, Faulk's 8.6 yac, Moss' 5 yac...

New England set a record for highest percentage of passing yards being attributed to WR gaining yards after catch....Cassel is decent, but he can't throw the ball very far at all and was helped IMMENSELY by the WR he had and Mr Faulk...

Not to lay into you, but don't knock what NE is doing man unless you know the whole story...

i'm not knocking N.E., but it's still a HUGE upgrade for the Chiefs. I'm a Chiefs fan and this is a steal for THEM. maybe it's a good deal for both teams, but i'm not the least bit concerned in how it helps N.E.. Maybe Cassel wanted to go to the Chiefs since they're the ones that gave him his shot.... :lol

seekupig

02-28-2009, 03:50 PM

But again, I don't want to see some KC fan pretending that KC played NE here. Especially one who thought that Tony G would for some reason be involved in the deal...

i never said i thought that he'd be part of the deal. i said i would like to get Cassel, and someone said "who would they trade for him?" posed in the form of a straight up trade... i responded with Gonzalez. never thought that would happen, was simply answering the question.

Hanlon421

02-28-2009, 03:53 PM

i'm not knocking N.E., but it's still a HUGE upgrade for the Chiefs. I'm a Chiefs fan and this is a steal for THEM. maybe it's a good deal for both teams, but i'm not the least bit concerned in how it helps N.E.. Maybe Cassel wanted to go to the Chiefs since they're the ones that gave him his shot.... :lol

When you sarcastically said "Spend that one pick wisely" while laughing, that was knocking NE.

Trading an early second rounder for Cassel certainly isnt a steal at all. It might be an upgrade and a good deal for each side, but it sure as hell isn't a steal. Getting Vrabel tossed in is a great deal for you guys, but considering he was due for a demotion with us and going to leave via FA next year anyways, might as well clear his giant cap number now anyways.

Out of curiosity, since you think trading that pick for Cassel is such a huge steal, what do you think Cassel was worth in a trade? The first overall or something? :lol

To me, I never expected more than a 2nd rounder for him....

Hanlon421

02-28-2009, 03:54 PM

i never said i thought that he'd be part of the deal. i said i would like to get Cassel, and someone said "who would they trade for him?" posed in the form of a straight up trade... i responded with Gonzalez. never thought that would happen, was simply answering the question.

Ohhh ok, gotcha...

My bad then.

chr35919

03-16-2009, 10:28 PM

pats getting julius peppers for a second round draft pick? yes please.

converting him to linebacker? even better.

http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/reiss_pieces/2009/03/report_patriots_3.html
http://news.bostonherald.com/sports/football/patriots/view/2009_03_16_Patriot_reportedly_pursuing_Julius_Pepp ers_deal/srvc=home&position=5

dmbmuskie

03-16-2009, 11:25 PM

I'll be shocked if the Peppers move goes down. The Pats are not the kind of team to take 17 million dollar gamble hoping Peppers can be effective playing linebacker.

chr35919

03-16-2009, 11:36 PM

I'll be shocked if the Peppers move goes down. The Pats are not the kind of team to take 17 million dollar gamble hoping Peppers can be effective playing linebacker.looks like it will.

you've been talking about the pats lacking D for years...maybe peppers is part of bb's response?

dmbmuskie

03-16-2009, 11:45 PM

looks like it will.

you've been talking about the pats lacking D for years...maybe peppers is part of bb's response?

If it is true it seems like a desperation move. Like I said in another thread the only way this makes sense is if they're going to play 4-3.

ShotgunDMB

03-17-2009, 12:58 AM

Peppers would make a poor linebacker.

rickyh24

03-17-2009, 01:09 AM

If it is true it seems like a desperation move. Like I said in another thread the only way this makes sense is if they're going to play 4-3.

You mean 3-4? Peppers has said he wants to play for a different team as a line backer, in a 3-4. Which the Pats do run.

ShotgunDMB

03-17-2009, 01:12 AM

I can definately see this deal going down.

I'm a Panthers fan...we need the cap space Peppers is taking up (around 17 mill)..so I'd be cool with unloading him to the Pats.

Belechick, being the genius he is will make this work somehow.

ProudestAnt

03-17-2009, 07:47 AM

This won't happen. Unless the Pats are prepared to pay Peppers Haynesworth+ money next season, there'd be no reason to sign him. Remember that next season is an uncapped season as of now...

pathetic

03-17-2009, 10:13 AM

woooo peppers could be nice

chr35919

03-17-2009, 11:30 AM

This won't happen. Unless the Pats are prepared to pay Peppers Haynesworth+ money next season, there'd be no reason to sign him. Remember that next season is an uncapped season as of now...
i think they're prepared to pay him $16 mil.

ProudestAnt

03-17-2009, 11:32 AM

i think they're prepared to pay him $16 mil.
This year. But what about next season?

chr35919

03-17-2009, 11:33 AM

This year. But what about next season?i don't think they're thinking that far ahead. they want to win this season, not next season.

ProudestAnt

03-17-2009, 11:34 AM

i don't think they're thinking that far ahead. they want to win this season, not next season.
So they give up a 2nd round pick for a guy they're going to pay $16 mil for one season and switch his position? What part of that sounds even remotely like the Patriots?

chr35919

03-17-2009, 11:42 AM

http://www.weei.com/sports/boston/this-just-in/21689/schefter-peppers-will-not-be-patriot-2009

pathetic

03-17-2009, 12:03 PM

http://www.weei.com/sports/boston/this-just-in/21689/schefter-peppers-will-not-be-patriot-2009

damn...

LaDude

08-31-2009, 11:35 AM

Congrats Teddy Bruschi on a fantastic 13 year career!

Just a great all around player! Hope we see him with the Patriots organization in some capacity in the future.

**#54 - Full Tilt, Full Time**

pathetic

08-31-2009, 11:36 AM

Congrats Teddy Bruschi on a fantastic 13 year career!

Just a great all around player! Hope we see him with the Patriots organization in some capacity in the future.

**#54 - Full Tilt, Full Time**
:thumbsup

dmbmuskie

08-31-2009, 11:38 AM

Could one of you explain to me why you don't switch to the 4-3?

rickyh24

08-31-2009, 11:40 AM

pathetic

08-31-2009, 12:32 PM

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-patriotsmoves&prov=ap&type=lgns

cutting o'connell...does this mean that brady's injury could be worse than we think and we're searching for a solid backup?

thebestauntie

08-31-2009, 01:14 PM

pathetic

08-31-2009, 01:17 PM

It will be so weird not hearing his name called. :(

i cant believe he came back so soon after his stroke and continued a great career. he deserves all the success he's gained from the organization!!!

thebestauntie

08-31-2009, 01:23 PM

i cant believe he came back so soon after his stroke and continued a great career. he deserves all the success he's gained from the organization!!!
I think for the first 2 years after he came back I held my breath every time he made a hit. He is such an inspiration and all around great guy. Even before the stroke. One of the classiest football players ever to play the game.

TwoStep2888

08-31-2009, 01:24 PM

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-patriotsmoves&prov=ap&type=lgns

cutting o'connell...does this mean that brady's injury could be worse than we think and we're searching for a solid backup?

It's either that, or O'Connell is bad at football.

jen602

08-31-2009, 02:37 PM

Could one of you explain to me why you don't switch to the 4-3?

We have been running A LOT of 4-3 in the preseason. I think it is gonna depend on the opponent. I don't think we will use it exclusively, but we seem to have been using it the most. We lack ILB's too.

On the Brady shoulder scare....I think he is fine. Just a little sore. They cut KOC cuz he sucks and is an interception machine. After the Haynesworth hit I think BB realized the importance of a good backup. He said he expects to play in week 1, and was present at practice today.

Anyone know anything about the other possibly injured players who havent been at practice:
WR Wes Welker
WR Julian Edelman
CB Terrence Wheatley
CB Shawn Springs
RB Laurence Maroney
TE David Thomas
C Dan Connolly
DL Myron Pryor
LB Shawn Crable
DL Mike Wright

On Bruschi...thanks for all you have done, what a class act. We will miss his leadership.

pathetic

08-31-2009, 03:31 PM

It's either that, or O'Connell is bad at football.

:thumbsup...thats part of it :lol

We have been running A LOT of 4-3 in the preseason. I think it is gonna depend on the opponent. I don't think we will use it exclusively, but we seem to have been using it the most. We lack ILB's too.

On the Brady shoulder scare....I think he is fine. Just a little sore. They cut KOC cuz he sucks and is an interception machine. After the Haynesworth hit I think BB realized the importance of a good backup. He said he expects to play in week 1, and was present at practice today.

Anyone know anything about the other possibly injured players who havent been at practice:
WR Wes Welker
WR Julian Edelman
CB Terrence Wheatley
CB Shawn Springs
RB Laurence Maroney
TE David Thomas
C Dan Connolly
DL Myron Pryor
LB Shawn Crable
DL Mike Wright

On Bruschi...thanks for all you have done, what a class act. We will miss his leadership.

cassel was just as bad as kevo before he got a chance. but i do agree that he is horrible and a int machine...so was cassel tho

i hope we can get a dependable backup...i was really liking the interest we showed in chris simms last year.

pathetic

08-31-2009, 03:32 PM

all reports say that welker is fine, just day to day and they dont wanna risk further injury. it's minimal

rickyh24

08-31-2009, 05:43 PM

It's either that, or O'Connell is bad at football.

:lol:lol:thumbsup

Penguins71

08-31-2009, 06:10 PM

So whats going on with Maroney? Is he even gonna play?

pathetic

09-01-2009, 09:09 AM

So whats going on with Maroney? Is he even gonna play?

he played in the 2nd pre season game and looked great. its tough to say whats gonna happen with the running game. taylor is a great 1st back, but morris/maroney/faulk are all gonna share the rest of the carries

dmbmuskie

09-01-2009, 09:24 AM

he played in the 2nd pre season game and looked great. its tough to say whats gonna happen with the running game. taylor is a great 1st back, but morris/maroney/faulk are all gonna share the rest of the carries

Hope springs eternal this time of the year.

The guy is 33 and his YPC dropped 1.5 yards from 07 to 08. His DVOA was 46th among RBs in 08.

pathetic

09-01-2009, 09:30 AM

Hope springs eternal this time of the year.

The guy is 33 and his YPC dropped 1.5 yards from 07 to 08. His DVOA was 46th among RBs in 08.

yeah...his qb wasnt throwing 50tds and 5k yards either...

dmbmuskie

09-01-2009, 09:37 AM

yeah...his qb wasnt throwing 50tds and 5k yards either...

His QB won't be doing that this year either.

Like, I said hope springs eternal this time of year. I think the Steelers will go 16-0, you think Fred Taylor is #1 runner, etc.

pathetic

09-01-2009, 09:53 AM

His QB won't be doing that this year either.

Like, I said hope springs eternal this time of year. I think the Steelers will go 16-0, you think Fred Taylor is #1 runner, etc.

:lol :lol :lol

Taylor will be good with the pats. just the threat of the pat's pass offense will open up room for taylor. im not saying he's gonna put up 100 rushing yards on pitt's D, but he'll be an effective back

and i dont understand how you can say that brady wont put up those numbers when he did it in his 1st year with welker/moss with absolutely 0 prior chemistry...

dmbmuskie

09-01-2009, 10:03 AM

:lol :lol :lol

Taylor will be good with the pats. just the threat of the pat's pass offense will open up room for taylor. im not saying he's gonna put up 100 rushing yards on pitt's D, but he'll be an effective back

and i dont understand how you can say that brady wont put up those numbers when he did it in his 1st year with welker/moss with absolutely 0 prior chemistry...

Teams have tape of the offense and and a blue print on how to beat them now. The Pats offense was at it's best early in 07, because teams did not have a clue as to what was coming at them. Pats fans never seem to want to acknowledge this, but are the first to tell you that they struggled against the Wildcat because it was new and there was no tape on it.

Personally, I think what the Steelers did defensively in 08 was far more impressive than what the Pats did offensively in 07, because the Steelers have been employing the same defensive attack for almost 20 years and teams still cannot do anything against them.

I think Brady will have a good year, because their schedule is soft, but I do not see them having much success against the top AFC teams.

pathetic

09-01-2009, 10:07 AM

Teams have tape of the offense and and a blue print on how to beat them now. The Pats offense was at it's best early in 07, because teams did not have a clue as to what was coming at them. Pats fans never seem to want to acknowledge this, but are the first to tell you that they struggled against the Wildcat because it was new and there was no tape on it.

Personally, I think what the Steelers did defensively in 08 was far more impressive than what the Pats did offensively in 07, because the Steelers have been employing the same defensive attack for almost 20 years and teams still cannot do anything against them.

I think Brady will have a good year, because their schedule is soft, but I do not see them having much success against the top AFC teams.

top AFC teams? they are the top AFC team. the only reason the steelers are where they are is because they played a bradyless pats last year. every team gets all the confidence in the world when best team's QB goes down...seems like you're forgetting that the pats beat the steelers pretty easy in 07 with brady as QB.

brady put up the best season any QB ever has in 07 with a core of new receivers...

kittensXLI

09-01-2009, 10:09 AM

Holy crap. You are not serious, are you?

pathetic

09-01-2009, 10:13 AM

Holy crap. You are not serious, are you?

what? hahaha cause i bashed your steelers?

kittensXLI

09-01-2009, 10:16 AM

what? hahaha cause i bashed your steelers?
No, because you still live in this pathetic mythical Patriots-land. God, I cannot wait until the Super Bowl 44 winner is not New England. Heck, it's not even about who I want to win anymore. The excuses you people make are unreal.

dmbmuskie

09-01-2009, 10:24 AM

top AFC teams? they are the top AFC team. the only reason the steelers are where they are is because they played a bradyless pats last year. every team gets all the confidence in the world when best team's QB goes down...seems like you're forgetting that the pats beat the steelers pretty easy in 07 with brady as QB.

brady put up the best season any QB ever has in 07 with a core of new receivers...

The Pats are among the Top AFC teams. I think Pittsburgh, Baltimore SD, Indy, and Tennessee are all on that level, and they all rush the passer extremely well, which is how you stop the Pats.

It is easy to say the Steelers only beat the Pats because Brady was on the shelf, but it is just as easy to say the Pats only beat the Steelers because of the injuries to the Steelers defense. Neither game was the blowout the final score indicates.

Brady is a great QB, but 07 was the perfect storm. We'll never see him perform like he did early that season. The new WRs were actually a benefit to him.

pathetic

09-01-2009, 10:27 AM

The Pats are among the Top AFC teams. I think Pittsburgh, Baltimore SD, Indy, and Tennessee are all on that level, and they all rush the passer extremely well, which is how you stop the Pats.

It is easy to say the Steelers only beat the Pats because Brady was on the shelf, but it is just as easy to say the Pats only beat the Steelers because of the injuries to the Steelers defense. Neither game was the blowout the final score indicates.

Brady is a great QB, but 07 was the perfect storm. We'll never see him perform like he did early that season.

i still dont see your logic...what are you basing this off of?

it's not like he had a flash in the pan great 1st 1/2 of the season like grossman a couple years ago...brady is established as one of the leagues best and in in his 2nd season with weapons...

rickyh24

09-01-2009, 10:38 AM

The excuses you people make are unreal.

You don't think losing Brady for a whole year hurt this team last year?

dmbmuskie

09-01-2009, 10:39 AM

i still dont see your logic...what are you basing this off of?

it's not like he had a flash in the pan great 1st 1/2 of the season like grossman a couple years ago...brady is established as one of the leagues best and in in his 2nd season with weapons...

How do you put a gameplan together against an unknown? The unknown was a much better weapon that Randy Moss could ever be.

Maybe they have another wrinkle up their sleeves, but they don't scare me at all.

kittensXLI

09-01-2009, 10:40 AM

When did I say that?

rickyh24

09-01-2009, 10:40 AM

How do you put a gameplan together against an unknown? The unknown was a much better weapon that Randy Moss could ever be.

Maybe they have another wrinkle up their sleeves, but they don't scare me at all.

What are you saying here? That coaches did not know the potential of Moss going into that season?

rickyh24

09-01-2009, 10:41 AM

When did I say that?

You didn't but I thought you implied it by saying the excuse thing.

pathetic

09-01-2009, 10:43 AM

You don't think losing Brady for a whole year hurt this team last year?

i guess losing a QB that's won 3 superbowls then has the best season any player has ever put up at his position isnt too big of a blow...hell we had matt cassel!!!

kittensXLI

09-01-2009, 10:44 AM

Do you think the other AFC teams only had the success they did because Tom Brady was hurt? That's what Pathetic said.

pathetic

09-01-2009, 10:44 AM

What are you saying here? That coaches did not know the potential of Moss going into that season?

no, no, no....youve got it all wrong! they didnt know that brady can throw deep and that moss can catch a ball in double coverage...now that they know that the pats are fucked

rickyh24

09-01-2009, 10:45 AM

Do you think the other AFC teams only had the success they did because Tom Brady was hurt? That's what Pathetic said.

I certainly think Brady being hurt helped the Steelers come out of the AFC.

pathetic

09-01-2009, 10:46 AM

Do you think the other AFC teams only had the success they did because Tom Brady was hurt? That's what Pathetic said.

where did i say that? i said that the steelers had the success they did because of a bradyless pats.

there's no question that the pats were the best team in the AFC heading into last season and brady going down put the steelers as the best of the 2nd tier teams

dmbmuskie

09-01-2009, 10:48 AM

What are you saying here? That coaches did not know the potential of Moss going into that season?

The Pats picked up Moss and Welker for pennies on the dollar, so it is pretty clear that the rest of the league was not all that impressed with either of them.

If you watched tape on Moss heading into 07 you pay no attention to him, because his last two years were trash.

kittensXLI

09-01-2009, 10:49 AM

where did i say that? i said that the steelers had the success they did because of a bradyless pats.
Seriously, are you stupid? You said it, I told everyone you said it, you denied it and followed it up by saying it again. What are you missing here?

there's no question that the pats were the best team in the AFC heading into last season and brady going down put the steelers as the best of the 2nd tier teams
Of course you would think New England is on it's own tier of teams. It's like talking to a bowl of oatmeal when talking with you.

dmbmuskie

09-01-2009, 10:50 AM

Pats fans don't realize the Steelers were their equal until the injury bug struck them in 07.

pathetic

09-01-2009, 10:50 AM

The Pats picked up Moss and Welker for pennies on the dollar, so it is pretty clear that the rest of the league was not all that impressed with either of them.

If you watched tape on Moss heading into 07 you pay no attention to him, because his last two years were trash.

so the common arguement of why brady put up the #'s he did was because of the great wr's he had...

are you saying that he's a great QB that made "worthless receivers" great?

rickyh24

09-01-2009, 10:52 AM

The Pats picked up Moss and Welker for pennies on the dollar, so it is pretty clear that the rest of the league was not all that impressed with either of them.

If you watched tape on Moss heading into 07 you pay no attention to him, because his last two years were trash.

I think most coaches in the NFL may be a little too smart to look at it this way.

dmbmuskie

09-01-2009, 10:53 AM

so the common arguement of why brady put up the #'s he did was because of the great wr's he had...

are you saying that he's a great QB that made "worthless receivers" great?

Moss and Welker are okay players, who compliment each other perfectly, playing in the perfect situation for their skills when Brady is on the field.

I know people think Moss is the greatest player to ever put a helmet on, but I've never felt that way.

pathetic

09-01-2009, 10:53 AM

Seriously, are you stupid? You said it, I told everyone you said it, you denied it and followed it up by saying it again. What are you missing here?

:confused:confused:confused

are you here to call people names or talk football?

kittensXLI

09-01-2009, 10:55 AM

:confused:confused:confused

are you here to call people names or talk football?
I'd love to talk about football, but that's been proven to be virtually impossible with you. Take off your Patriots glasses and talk with the adults next time.

pathetic

09-01-2009, 10:55 AM

Moss and Welker are okay players, who compliment each other perfectly, playing in the perfect situation for their skills when Brady is on the field.

I know people think Moss is the greatest player to ever put a helmet on, but I've never felt that way.

i thought moss was a chump before he came to NE...and i dont think he is the greatest...

and you're right. moss and welker do compliment each other great, but only with a great QB.

rickyh24

09-01-2009, 10:56 AM

I know people think Moss is the greatest player to ever put a helmet on, but I've never felt that way.

Not many people think this. You however give him no credit at all. I am definitley not getting into this argument with you again but Moss is a lot better player than you give him credit for.

dmbmuskie

09-01-2009, 10:56 AM

I think most coaches in the NFL may be a little too smart to look at it this way.

Randy Moss was accquired for a throw away pick, and Roy Williams was accquired for 2 #1s, which shows you how far his stock had fallen. Moss was a joke when he went to NE, and you don't gameplan for what someone did 2 and 3 years ago.

rickyh24

09-01-2009, 10:58 AM

I'd love to talk about football, but that's been proven to be virtually impossible with you. Take off your Patriots glasses and talk with the adults next time.

Maybe you should just go back to your teams thread then. Which team is it this week? Eagles? Steelers? Ravens? Texans?? Cardinals?

pathetic

09-01-2009, 10:58 AM

I'd love to talk about football, but that's been proven to be virtually impossible with you. Take off your Patriots glasses and talk with the adults next time.

I understand that you have a hard on for the steelers and obviously im a pats fan...

i really dont understand what your issue is. when ever someone disagrees with you, you go on some rampage. all i did was say that the pats were the best team going into the season last year, the steelers became the team they were because of brady's injury, and that there's nothing that says brady will slow down this year...those are the 3 points im making in a pats thread. so what's your problem? that you disagree with my opinions? big fucking deal bro

rickyh24

09-01-2009, 10:59 AM

Randy Moss was accquired for a throw away pick, and Roy Williams was accquired for 2 #1s, which shows you how far his stock had fallen. Moss was a joke when he went to NE, and you don't gameplan for what someone did 2 and 3 years ago.

Yes you do. Well smart coaches would anyways.

rickyh24

09-01-2009, 10:59 AM

It doesn't take a genius to know Moss was unhappy in Oakland and it translated on to the field.

dmbmuskie

09-01-2009, 11:01 AM

Not many people think this. You however give him no credit at all. I am definitley not getting into this argument with you again but Moss is a lot better player than you give him credit for.

He's great in NE and he was great for a lot of his time with the Vikings, but he simply cannot do the things that the top WRs in the game do every week.

You could argue that they cannot do what he does either, and I agree with that. However, last year when the QB only hit him on 3 out of 26 throws over 30 yards he was the definition of average.

kittensXLI

09-01-2009, 11:01 AM

If you've ever read any one of my posts that wasn't about the Patriots, you'd realize I'm so far from sucking off the Steelers it's ridiculous.

rickyh24

09-01-2009, 11:02 AM

http://football.about.com/od/nflhistory/a/alltimereceive.htm

http://football.about.com/od/nflhistory/a/alltimerecyrds.htm

http://football.about.com/od/nflhistory/a/alltimerectd.htm

Uh ya. Moss is average. :thumbsup

I'm done with this Moss thing again with you. Its so dumb :lol

pathetic

09-01-2009, 11:02 AM

He's great in NE and he was great for a lot of his time with the Vikings, but he simply cannot do the things that the top WRs in the game do every week.

You could argue that they cannot do what he does either, and I agree with that. However, last year when the QB only hit him on 3 out of 26 throws over 30 yards he was the definition of average.

welker was out of last weeks pre season game and moss was the slot receiver pretty much the whole 1st half going over the middle. he is a great wide out who just takes a couple plays off :lol

dmbmuskie

09-01-2009, 11:05 AM

Yes you do. Well smart coaches would anyways.

How far do you want to take that?

I could say that the Pats shold have been prepared for the Wildcat, because they should have been scouting Arkansas film because a coach came from there. Most teams study the previous 4 games a team has played, because it doesn't matter what you did in Week 1 once you get to December. NE might do more, but I have no idea.

The Pats have proven time and time again how important film on the opposition is, yet their fans hate the argument that the lack of film on their 07 offense lead to their success.

dmbmuskie

09-01-2009, 11:06 AM

welker was out of last weeks pre season game and moss was the slot receiver pretty much the whole 1st half going over the middle. he is a great wide out who just takes a couple plays off :lol

I didn't watch the game. Is it possible he has lost a step and is reinventing himself? :lol

rickyh24

09-01-2009, 11:07 AM

Ok you got me. I'm sure all the other teams when preparing for the Pats totally disregarded the Brady/Moss combo. It only makes sense.

dmbmuskie

09-01-2009, 11:08 AM

Moss's DVOA last year was 0. That is average.

He's done some great things in the NFL, but he's not a guy I want on my team unless I have solid pass protection and a QB who can deliver the ball accurately down the field.

pathetic

09-01-2009, 11:09 AM

I didn't watch the game. Is it possible he has lost a step and is reinventing himself? :lol

:eek idk if moss would seriously go over the middle against a tough D...he getz dem gator armz

thebestauntie

09-01-2009, 11:11 AM

rickyh24

09-01-2009, 11:12 AM

Randy Moss > Hines Ward

dmbmuskie

09-01-2009, 11:13 AM

Ok you got me. I'm sure all the other teams when preparing for the Pats totally disregarded the Brady/Moss combo. It only makes sense.

I'm not saying you disregard it, but there was 0 evidence that Moss still had it. If you played Seattle this year you wouldn't focus on stopping Edge based on what he did in the past. That isn't the perfect example.

kittensXLI

09-01-2009, 11:14 AM

rickyh24 > Hines Ward

pathetic

09-01-2009, 11:14 AM

What is DVOA?

Defense adjusted Value Over Average

dmbmuskie

09-01-2009, 11:14 AM

What is DVOA?

Defensive Adjusted Value Over Average

footballoutsiders.com is the best place to go for an explanation.

rickyh24

09-01-2009, 11:14 AM

rickyh24 > Hines Ward

well ya

pathetic

09-01-2009, 11:14 AM

pathetic

09-01-2009, 11:15 AM

rickyh24 > Hines Ward>joba

shit wrong thread :lol

rickyh24

09-01-2009, 11:16 AM

that was with matt cassel throwing to him...

Cassel has no arm. Which is why Welker had such a great year. I also believe that Moss had a hand in Welkers year too. You don't have to be getting the ball to help the team.

thebestauntie

09-01-2009, 11:16 AM

Defense adjusted Value Over Average

Defensive Adjusted Value Over Average

footballoutsiders.com is the best place to go for an explanation.
Oh okay.

thebestauntie

09-01-2009, 11:16 AM

rickyh24 > Hines Ward
rickyh24 > everything except Clay. ;) :lol

dmbmuskie

09-01-2009, 11:17 AM

Randy Moss > Hines Ward

It depends on what you want to do.

Hines is going to be involved in far more key moments in a game than Moss because of their respective strengths.

I would take Holmes over Moss though.

rickyh24

09-01-2009, 11:19 AM

rickyh24 > everything except Clay. ;) :lol

and I just threw up.

dmbmuskie

09-01-2009, 11:20 AM

that was with matt cassel throwing to him...its a totally different team w/o tb

That is kind of my point. He's just another guy without the right guys around him. I don't think you would ever say that about Larry Fitz or Andre Johnson.

pathetic

09-01-2009, 11:22 AM

That is kind of my point. He's just another guy without the right guys around him. I don't think you would ever say that about Larry Fitz or Andre Johnson.

i doubt fitz and boldin would have the #'s they had last year with leinart throwing to them...

fitz especially...not taking anything away from him, but the reason he was so dominant last year is because boldin went down for a few games.

thebestauntie

09-01-2009, 11:22 AM

and I just threw up.
:lol :lol :hug :hug

kittensXLI

09-01-2009, 11:25 AM

:lol x 1,000,000,000

dmbmuskie

09-01-2009, 11:27 AM

i doubt fitz and boldin would have the #'s they had last year with leinart throwing to them...

fitz especially...not taking anything away from him, but the reason he was so dominant last year is because boldin went down for a few games.

The thing Fitz really benefitted from with Warner is his hidden accuracy. Fitz had a per catch season very similar to 06 when he played with Leinart, but his YAC was much higher, because Warner puts the ball in the right place.

pathetic

09-01-2009, 11:30 AM

The thing Fitz really benefitted from with Warner is his hidden accuracy. Fitz had a per catch season very similar to 06 when he played with Leinart, but his YAC was much higher, because Warner puts the ball in the right place.

yes, warner was great and thats why boldin, fitz, and breaston all shined. if it were leinart then 2 of those receivers wouldnt be too happy

thebestauntie

09-01-2009, 11:32 AM

:lol x 1,000,000,000
What's that for?

kittensXLI

09-01-2009, 11:33 AM

What's that for?
Not you.

thebestauntie

09-01-2009, 11:38 AM

Not you.
I don't understand this post, it's always about me.

rickyh24

09-01-2009, 11:42 AM

oh my.

rickyh24

09-01-2009, 11:42 AM

lol I passed you in posts.

dmbmuskie

09-01-2009, 11:43 AM

It depends on what you want to do.

Hines is going to be involved in far more key moments in a game than Moss because of their respective strengths.

I would take Holmes over Moss though.

I cannot believe no one jumped all over that.

thebestauntie

09-01-2009, 11:47 AM

lol I passed you in posts.
Huh, I wonder when that happened? :lol
I cannot believe no one jumped all over that.
I can see the merits of both, so arguing one over the other isn't worth it for me.

pathetic

09-01-2009, 11:50 AM

I cannot believe no one jumped all over that.

i didnt see it :lol

but i dont think you were being all that serious right?

pathetic

09-01-2009, 11:51 AM

LA, hows the new rat?

rickyh24

09-01-2009, 11:51 AM

Huh, I wonder when that happened? :lol

You will pass me this coming week. I won't be around much for a little bit.

pathetic

09-01-2009, 11:52 AM

You will pass me this coming week. I won't be around much for a little bit.

big series tonight. hope we can finally win in st peeeeeeeete

dmbmuskie

09-01-2009, 11:54 AM

i didnt see it :lol

but i dont think you were being all that serious right?

I'm dead serious. Moss could never do what Holmes did on the game winning Super Bowl drive. Holmes also nearly mathed Moss's DVOA in 07.

I never thought I'd say this, but Holmes might be more of a knucklehead than Moss at this point. That is my only concern with him.

thebestauntie

09-01-2009, 11:55 AM

You will pass me this coming week. I won't be around much for a little bit.
Why?

thebestauntie

09-01-2009, 11:57 AM

LA, hows the new rat?
She's awesome! Her name is Giselle and she's a hairless rat. :) She's climbs all over her cage and loves her daily treats.

rickyh24

09-01-2009, 11:58 AM

Why?

Wouldn't you like to know......

thebestauntie

09-01-2009, 11:58 AM

Wouldn't you like to know......
Are you moving? ;)

rickyh24

09-01-2009, 11:59 AM

Are you moving? ;)

:lol:lol

pathetic

09-01-2009, 12:02 PM

I'm dead serious. Moss could never do what Holmes did on the game winning Super Bowl drive. Holmes also nearly mathed Moss's DVOA in 07.

I never thought I'd say this, but Holmes might be more of a knucklehead than Moss at this point. That is my only concern with him.

moss has 53 more receptions, 22 more td's than holmes over the past 3 seasons...