John Kerry Is A Liar

[Jake]

Maybe that's a harsh word. Maybe mispoke, or stretched a forgot.... or something.

anyway. Kerry claimed he was at Game 6 in 86 http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/nation/president/2004-07-25-kerry-pitch_x.htm but was not

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/004/812xgkev.asp

(for you hard lefties, note that the weekly standard is quoting another source for the info)

he didn't even know the scores of the games http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,136459,00.html but that's another story...


Contrasting what Kerry said in the 1st debate, it appears he did not speak with all the members of the UN Security Council http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20041025-020600-3030r.htm

and we all know the Cambodian Xmas incident did not occur (according to his biography).


My question is...


Does anyone really care?

You don't have to refute the lies, I just want to know if the fact that he has mispoke 3 times as shown above matters at all to anyone (on either side of the vote).

[Dancing Ants]

yes.

[jrock5730]

Maybe that's a harsh word. Maybe mispoke, or stretched a forgot.... or something.

anyway. Kerry claimed he was at Game 6 in 86 http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/nation/president/2004-07-25-kerry-pitch_x.htm but was not

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/004/812xgkev.asp

(for you hard lefties, note that the weekly standard is quoting another source for the info)

he didn't even know the scores of the games http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,136459,00.html but that's another story...


Contrasting what Kerry said in the 1st debate, it appears he did not speak with all the members of the UN Security Council http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20041025-020600-3030r.htm

and we all know the Cambodian Xmas incident did not occur (according to his biography).


My question is...


Does anyone really care?

You don't have to refute the lies, I just want to know if the fact that he has mispoke 3 times as shown above matters at all to anyone (on either side of the vote).

:lol :lol I don't care, and I highly doubt many others care. I find it hard to believe you wasted a thread on this garbage, but more power to ya I suppose.

[Jake]

:lol :lol I don't care, and I highly doubt many others care. I find it hard to believe you wasted a thread on this garbage, but more power to ya I suppose.



so, you don't care. that's 1 yes and 1 don't care. Got it.

[JustinRIT]

No.

But cue up the "his lie didn't kill people."

[Jake]

No.

But cue up the "his lie didn't kill people."


:lol

[jrock5730]

You should of made a poll instead, it might of came across a little better since all you are looking for is yes or no answers here.

[Rob]

Right. Bush isn't a liar. Bush is an idiot, who truly believes in his version of the truth, based on religion or sheer gung-ho idiocy. He's the most dangerous man on this planet right now, and when he's removed from power will be investigated and found guilty of some pretty heinous crimes. I can't wait for the day.

[DreemingTree]

"war crimes", he's guilty of them too right? Lying, i guess you do time in jail for that right?

[crosscg]

He is a politician, thats what they do.

[bdb23]

Kerry Now Says The President "Outsourced" The US Military At Tora Bora And Allowed Bin Laden To Escape. KERRY: "And let me just look you in the eye and tell you squarely, when this president had an opportunity to go capture Osama bin Laden or kill him in the mountains of Afghanistan, he did the same thing with that job that he did with your jobs: he outsourced it to Afghan warlords." (Sen. John Kerry, Remarks At A Campaign Event, Pueblo, CO, 10/23/04)

In December 2001, During Fighting At Tora Bora, Kerry Said: "I Think We Have Been Doing This Pretty Effectively And We Should Continue To Do It That Way." CALLER: "Hello. Yes, I would like to ask the panel why they don't use napalm or flamethrowers on those tunnels and caves up there in Afghanistan?" KING: "Senator Kerry?" CALLER: "My golly, I think they could smoke him out." KING: "Senator Kerry?" KERRY: "Well, I think it depends on where you are tactically. They may well be doing that at some point in time. But for the moment, what we are doing, I think, is having its impact and it is the best way to protect our troops and sort of minimalize the proximity, if you will. I think we have been doing this pretty effectively and we should continue to do it that way." (CNN's "Larry King Live," 12/14/01)

Kerry Just 12 Days After Tora Bora Ended: "He Is Elusive. I Think They Are Doing The Maximum Amount Right Now Possible To Try To Track [Osama] Down." KERRY: "The bottom line is that the closest we came [to bin Laden] was in Tora Bora. I do think some people have asked some questions about how that particular component of the mission sort of played out. But the fact is that it is a difficult place. He is elusive. I think they are doing the maximum amount right now possible to try to track [Osama] down. And it is an extraordinarily hard thing for him to hide somewhere. I mean, over a period of time, I think, he is in trouble." (CNN's "Late Edition," 1/20/02; "US Ends Bin Laden Hunt In Tora Bora," The Guardian, 1/8/02)

[Rob]

Do we really need to get into Bush's lies? There isn't enough room in the board's database to capture it.

I'll duck out of this thread now- I have to go beat a third-world nation into the my idea of the best type of nation, regardless of their desires or tradition and to hell with what the rest of the world thinks about it. I mean, heck, we're the most powerful, so why do we have to be part of the world we live on?

[Jake]

Right. Bush isn't a liar. Bush is an idiot, who truly believes in his version of the truth, based on religion or sheer gung-ho idiocy. He's the most dangerous man on this planet right now, and when he's removed from power will be investigated and found guilty of some pretty heinous crimes. I can't wait for the day.


Nice going, Rob. You defend one bad action by pointing to another. I thought you were moving to Canada?


I wanted people to say does it matter or doesn't. I don't like polls, I like when people say yes or no.

[dcman]

"John Kerry Is A Liar".

I hear that so much it's almost lost it's meaning.

[crosscg]

At this point I think for most people its unfortunately gotten to the point that the lie itself isn't so much whats important as how it affects them. Look at how popular Clinton still is.

[Dancing Ants]

You should of made a poll instead, it might of came across a little better since all you are looking for is yes or no answers here.



that's should've and might've. sorry, pet peeve.

[jrock5730]

that's should've and might've. sorry, pet peeve.

I understand.

[Dancing Ants]

Do we really need to get into Bush's lies? There isn't enough room in the board's database to capture it.

I'll duck out of this thread now- I have to go beat a third-world nation into the my idea of the best type of nation, regardless of their desires or tradition and to hell with what the rest of the world thinks about it. I mean, heck, we're the most powerful, so why do we have to be part of the world we live on?


you are the most annoying person on this board (and that's not just because of this thread). you're so biased you can't see anything..PLEASE, go to Canada.

i'm sure the Iraqi people LOVE living under sadaam.

[pedelen99]

Don't care.

You're talking about insignificant things here, and some small mis-statements. (World Series games in 1986???) For the security council, for example, Kerry meant to say that he spoke to the 'permanent' members of the council.

Yes, he was not technically correct during the debates (which are unscripted). If you'd like to hold people accountable for the inaccuracies in the debates, feel free to do so - equally, for everyone.

- Phil

[pedelen99]

and we all know the Cambodian Xmas incident did not occur (according to his biography).

And by the way, this is not as cut and dried as people would like you to believe. The quote from the biography used to support this is where Kerry talks about being at a base about 50 miles from Cambodia on Christmas. But that's where he ended the day... if you go back a few pages you'll find he started the day heading upriver a few miles from the Cambodian border, so it is possible.

And O'neill, the swift boat guy who has been so adamant that swift boats never went into Cambodia, has been found on tape telling Richard Nixon that he also was in Cambodia.

- Phil

[barefoot]

Right. Bush isn't a liar. Bush is an idiot, who truly believes in his version of the truth, based on religion or sheer gung-ho idiocy. He's the most dangerous man on this planet right now, and when he's removed from power will be investigated and found guilty of some pretty heinous crimes. I can't wait for the day.
So the most dangerous man is also the one that is responsible for giving billions in aide around the world?

[barefoot]

Oh and when it comes to politicans lying it almost seems like a given now.

[EatSleepJeep]

And Bush said that he remembers watching the first plane hit the trade center before he entered that classroom, but that event wasn't televised live. It only showed up in the tapes of the documentary crew. Memory is a weird thing, especially if one has seen the event enough times. Bush is a liar too. Did you expect anything different from politicians?

[kurtle88]

Fuck Bush!

[EatSleepJeep]

Fuck Bush!

Short. Sweet. To the point. I give it a 10!

[Jake]

Fuck Bush!


but your having sex with the President has nothing to do with my question, which dealt with Kerry.


I just imagine some of you in high school getting the question "Describe how Jimmy Carter's term in office failed", and starting the answer, "Bush is a failure, you know".

[bdb23]

but your having sex with the President has nothing to do with my question, which dealt with Kerry.


I just imagine some of you in high school getting the question "Describe how Jimmy Carter's term in office failed", and starting the answer, "Bush is a failure, you know".
:lol :thumbsup

[firedwarftj]

I think a basic point needs to brought up, Bush lied to the whole country in a televised speech to Congress and the American people. His lies have cost over a 1000 of our service people their lives. Bush's lies have done more to harm the country than any lie has done in a presidency, maybe he should bring out he real truth to this war, it is Bin Ladin (the lack of finding him) or oil ...

[bdb23]

I think a basic point needs to brought up, Bush lied to the whole country in a televised speech to Congress and the American people. His lies have cost over a 1000 of our service people their lives. Bush's lies have done more to harm the country than any lie has done in a presidency, maybe he should bring out he real truth to this war, it is Bin Ladin (the lack of finding him) or oil ...
From Bush's 9/20/01 address to Congress...

"This war will not be like the war against Iraq a decade ago, with a decisive liberation of territory and a swift conclusion. It will not look like the air war above Kosovo two years ago, where no ground troops were used and not a single American was lost in combat.

Our response involves far more than instant retaliation and isolated strikes. Americans should not expect one battle, but a lengthy campaign, unlike any other we have ever seen. It may include dramatic strikes, visible on TV, and covert operations, secret even in success. We will starve terrorists of funding, turn them one against another, drive them from place to place, until there is no refuge or no rest. And we will pursue nations that provide aid or safe haven to terrorism. Every nation, in every region, now has a decision to make. Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists. (Applause.) From this day forward, any nation that continues to harbor or support terrorism will be regarded by the United States as a hostile regime....

It is my hope that in the months and years ahead, life will return almost to normal. We'll go back to our lives and routines, and that is good....

The course of this conflict is not known, yet its outcome is certain. Freedom and fear, justice and cruelty, have always been at war, and we know that God is not neutral between them."


Seems like a whole bunch of lies in there to me. :rolleyes:

[mr.MikeD]

since i'm not american, can't vote next week etc, take what you from this. Over and over, Kerry's supporters say 'but Bush did the same' or 'Bush's lies killed...." and the reaction is always "we are talking about Kerry, not Bush"

If you are simply evaluating Kerry, and nothing else, than yes, focus only on him.

I assume that the initial question of "does anyone care" refers to how it will affect their vote.

Then why not bring up Bush? Since it's pretty well established that unwavering honesty is a trait not possessed by anyone in politics, anywhere, then comparing the magnitude of the 'lies' of each candidate doesn't seem unreasonable. It's not so much defending one bad action by pointing out another as it's comparing the actions of each and making a choice.

I just imagine someone being asked about the actions of a candidate, and having the nerve to compare them to those of the other one, so that they can make a decision. That's crazy.

[MonkeySex]

From Bush's 9/20/01 address to Congress...

"This war will not be like the war against Iraq a decade ago, with a decisive liberation of territory and a swift conclusion. It will not look like the air war above Kosovo two years ago, where no ground troops were used and not a single American was lost in combat.

Our response involves far more than instant retaliation and isolated strikes. Americans should not expect one battle, but a lengthy campaign, unlike any other we have ever seen. It may include dramatic strikes, visible on TV, and covert operations, secret even in success. We will starve terrorists of funding, turn them one against another, drive them from place to place, until there is no refuge or no rest. And we will pursue nations that provide aid or safe haven to terrorism. Every nation, in every region, now has a decision to make. Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists. (Applause.) From this day forward, any nation that continues to harbor or support terrorism will be regarded by the United States as a hostile regime....

It is my hope that in the months and years ahead, life will return almost to normal. We'll go back to our lives and routines, and that is good....

The course of this conflict is not known, yet its outcome is certain. Freedom and fear, justice and cruelty, have always been at war, and we know that God is not neutral between them."


Seems like a whole bunch of lies in there to me. :rolleyes:
That sounds like he is talking about the war on terror and not the war on Iraq. The war on terror and the war on Iraq are two different things. The people in here are arguing that Bush lied about the war on Iraq. And to answer the question... I don't really care that Kerry lied about attending a baseball game.

[AnyonebutBush]

Maybe that's a harsh word. Maybe mispoke, or stretched a forgot.... or something.

anyway. Kerry claimed he was at Game 6 in 86 http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/nation/president/2004-07-25-kerry-pitch_x.htm but was not

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/004/812xgkev.asp

(for you hard lefties, note that the weekly standard is quoting another source for the info)

he didn't even know the scores of the games http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,136459,00.html but that's another story...


Contrasting what Kerry said in the 1st debate, it appears he did not speak with all the members of the UN Security Council http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20041025-020600-3030r.htm

and we all know the Cambodian Xmas incident did not occur (according to his biography).


My question is...


Does anyone really care?

You don't have to refute the lies, I just want to know if the fact that he has mispoke 3 times as shown above matters at all to anyone (on either side of the vote).No lets call him a liar just for the hell of it, we call Bush a liar so lets be realistic and call them all liars. But what I want to know is how many people died from this lie?

[Jake]

since i'm not american, can't vote next week etc, take what you from this. Over and over, Kerry's supporters say 'but Bush did the same' or 'Bush's lies killed...." and the reaction is always "we are talking about Kerry, not Bush"

If you are simply evaluating Kerry, and nothing else, than yes, focus only on him.

I assume that the initial question of "does anyone care" refers to how it will affect their vote.

Then why not bring up Bush? Since it's pretty well established that unwavering honesty is a trait not possessed by anyone in politics, anywhere, then comparing the magnitude of the 'lies' of each candidate doesn't seem unreasonable. It's not so much defending one bad action by pointing out another as it's comparing the actions of each and making a choice.

I just imagine someone being asked about the actions of a candidate, and having the nerve to compare them to those of the other one, so that they can make a decision. That's crazy.



my question really wasn't 'how will it affect their vote'. I don't expect anyone to be swayed by his lies, or misteps, or whatever. I just want to know if anyone, who supports Kerry or supports Bush, really cares that Kerry 1. lied to put himself at a historic event (baseball) 2. lied to imply he had more influence then he did at the time (Debate) and 3. lied to strengthen his complaint against the govt (Cambodia).


I don't think there's a wrong answer, it's an opinion question.

[Jake]

No lets call him a liar just for the hell of it, we call Bush a liar so lets be realistic and call them all liars. But what I want to know is how many people died from this lie?



what a shocker that the person who'd vote 'anyone but bush' goes with the 'how many people died' line, which was predicted to be played by the feeble at mind.


well, for that: you're banned from this site. No more AnyonebutBush to bother us. Bye Bye!!!!

[mr.MikeD]

gotcha. at election time though, with almost everything geared to making a choice, it's difficult to think of either candidate independant of the other one.

[AnyonebutBush]

what a shocker that the person who'd vote 'anyone but bush' goes with the 'how many people died' line, which was predicted to be played by the feeble at mind.


well, for that: you're banned from this site. No more AnyonebutBush to bother us. Bye Bye!!!!You have to be kidding? For one I am all about Kerry. When I first picked this name I didnt care much about anything except Bush going bye bye but that has changed after getting to know what Kerry is about. For two I didnt come in here to debate politics, Its an election year and its a very important election I plan on sticking around long after this election is over. When you put up your "Anti-Bush" headline thing and everyone bashed you for it, I was one of the few that didnt call you an asshole but stuck up for you instead. But If youd like to turn into an asshole and ban me for having a view unlike yours, then so be it!

[Jake]

You have to be kidding? For one I am all about Kerry. When I first picked this name I didnt care much about anything except Bush going bye bye but that has changed after getting to know what Kerry is about. For two I didnt come in here to debate politics, Its an election year and its a very important election I plan on sticking around long after this election is over. When you put up your "Anti-Bush" headline thing and everyone bashed you for it, I was one of the few that didnt call you an asshole but stuck up for you instead. But If youd like to turn into an asshole and ban me for having a view unlike yours, then so be it!



oh no, you've got me all wrong.


I lied.


no worries, no one died for it.


;)

[AnyonebutBush]

what a shocker that the person who'd vote 'anyone but bush' goes with the 'how many people died' line, which was predicted to be played by the feeble at mind.


well, for that: you're banned from this site. No more AnyonebutBush to bother us. Bye Bye!!!!Why must we attack eachother? Why cant you just debate the canidates? What I said is very true Jake, no one died if and when Mr Kerry lied about being at the game! That is a fact!

[AnyonebutBush]

oh no, you've got me all wrong.


I lied.


no worries, no one died for it.


;):banned Jake:banned

[AnyonebutBush]

:banned Jake:bannedThats the best I can do ;)

[Holla9]

Kerry is a dork.

[Daevian]

I care that he lied. I care the Mr. Bush lies also. It's very important to look into those lies and to find not only the truth but to try to find a motive for those lies to make a better picture in your mind of a canidate.

[pedelen99]

well, for that: you're banned from this site. No more AnyonebutBush to bother us. Bye Bye!!!!

I think the scientific valifity of your survey is affected by banning people... just a thought.

:)

- Phil

[dylanquirt]

At this point I think for most people its unfortunately gotten to the point that the lie itself isn't so much whats important as how it affects them. Look at how popular Clinton still is.


Thank you...very well said. Lying about a baseball game and lying about a war is completly different. The baseball lie doesn't affect me...however the war lie is a serious issue that does affect me.

[DMBSignGuy]

turn them one against another

hasnt happened, exact opposite actually.

drive them from place to place

hrm...we actually brought them to Iraq.

until there is no refuge or no rest

still pleanty of that.

And we will pursue nations that provide aid or safe haven to terrorism.

Iran?
Syria?
Pakistan?
Saudia Arabia?


:rolleyes:


a lengthy campaign

now theres some truth. but its in Iraq. :rolleyes:

[dylanquirt]

what a shocker that the person who'd vote 'anyone but bush' goes with the 'how many people died' line, which was predicted to be played by the feeble at mind.


well, for that: you're banned from this site. No more AnyonebutBush to bother us. Bye Bye!!!!


Jake get over your power trip...."anyonebutbush" has some good things to say. sorry that he "bothered" you. maybe you can ban everyone that disagrees with you, then you'll be chatting with bseitz, matt bauer, cyberhound, and saygoodbye....that will be soo exciting!! a bunch of Rep. giving themself stroke jobs. To ban someone because you don't like what they have to say seems pretty UNAMERICAN. shit, i hate everything that bsietz has to say, but I would never want him/her banned.........its a good laugh.

STOP TAKING YOURSELF SOOOO SERIOUSLY.

ARE YOU GOING TO BAN ME NEXT?

"Bring it on" as W. says

[Ben F.]

Yes it matters. Lying about such insignificant things shows Kerry's lack of respect for truth and honesty- no matter how petty the topic. If he didn't know, or couldn't remember, he should have said so.

And I love how everyone keeps reaming bush for 'lying' and costing lives. What cause is justification enough for you to deem it acceptable to incur military casualties? You don't sign up for the army expecting to sit around and weave fucking baskets. We [as a country] appointed bush as our leader. He is the one we gave the authority to-to make decisions just like the one he made. Deal with that fact.

And being pro Kerry just because you are anti Bush is such a shallow idiotic cop out; I can't even begin to convey my distaste for people who are going to vote for Kerry just because he is not bush.

Should Kerry get voted in, I'll just wait patiently for all of you anti Bush people to crucify Kerry for not being absolutely pristine and perfect. Then you'll just vote in the next guy who is 'anyone but Kerry'.

[AnyonebutBush]

Everybody lies one time or another in his or her life. If we were voting for someone perfect we wouldnt have anyone to vote for.

[cbsauder]

i saw a quote in the newspaper the other day (of senator kerry) about how he likes to go hunting. He said he crawls around on the ground and hunts deer with a double barrel shotgun. Its not lying, but its funny, because the hunters i know use a deer RIFLE and a treestand. Its next to impossible to hunt down deer on foot.

He also said how he likes to windsurf with his "plumber buddies." How many plumbers do you know that like to windsurf. Its pretty expensive and MOST plumbers dont afford windsurfing in their budget.


This is not a rant on kerry's integrity, i just found his quotes quite humourous. (i wonder who killed the ducks the other day when he went duck hunting).

[Dancing Ants]

i saw a quote in the newspaper the other day (of senator kerry) about how he likes to go hunting. He said he crawls around on the ground and hunts deer with a double barrel shotgun. Its not lying, but its funny, because the hunters i know use a deer RIFLE and a treestand. Its next to impossible to hunt down deer on foot.

my friend got a kick outta that. if you could get *that* close to a deer to use a shotgun, it wouldn't be challenging.

[marco j]

So the most dangerous man is also the one that is responsible for giving billions in aide around the world?



yes (as does our government every year regardless of who's president).

but the most important point of all is we give aide to country's we know directly fund terrorism!

saudi arabia, egypt , pakistan, lybia ect.

so are we with us or against us?! :freak

[Jake]

Jake get over your power trip...."anyonebutbush" has some good things to say. sorry that he "bothered" you. maybe you can ban everyone that disagrees with you, then you'll be chatting with bseitz, matt bauer, cyberhound, and saygoodbye....that will be soo exciting!! a bunch of Rep. giving themself stroke jobs. To ban someone because you don't like what they have to say seems pretty UNAMERICAN. shit, i hate everything that bsietz has to say, but I would never want him/her banned.........its a good laugh.

STOP TAKING YOURSELF SOOOO SERIOUSLY.

ARE YOU GOING TO BAN ME NEXT?

"Bring it on" as W. says



you're banned too.




oh wait, just like I said to anyonebutbush... I LIED!!!




it's amazing how many people can type with foots in their respective mouths.

[DMBSignGuy]

Yes it matters. Lying about such insignificant things shows Kerry's lack of respect for truth and honesty- no matter how petty the topic. If he didn't know, or couldn't remember, he should have said so.

The first stone has officially been cast.

And I love how everyone keeps reaming bush for 'lying' and costing lives. What cause is justification enough for you to deem it acceptable to incur military casualties?

a cause that doesnt involve lying or coercive diplomacy for that matter. That was easy.

And being pro Kerry just because you are anti Bush is such a shallow idiotic cop out; I can't even begin to convey my distaste for people who are going to vote for Kerry just because he is not bush.

Maybe you missed the thread where this has been discussed and where most people have said they support Kerry because of Kerry.

Should Kerry get voted in, I'll just wait patiently for all of you anti Bush people to crucify Kerry for not being absolutely pristine and perfect. Then you'll just vote in the next guy who is 'anyone but Kerry'.

:lol because people really believe Kerry is pristine and perfect let alone any other human being. If Kerry gets elected, in four years he'll get my vote again if he's done a good job.

[dylanquirt]

you're banned too.




oh wait, just like I said to anyonebutbush... I LIED!!!




it's amazing how many people can type with foots in their respective mouths.


Jake,

You're sooo funny. When did you become such a comedian?

Glad you didn't ban me this time. do you know who banned me from starting new threads, awhile back....was it you or Matt?

[jrczj]

And Bush said that he remembers watching the first plane hit the trade center before he entered that classroom, but that event wasn't televised live. It only showed up in the tapes of the documentary crew. Memory is a weird thing, especially if one has seen the event enough times. Bush is a liar too. Did you expect anything different from politicians?
Where did you see/hear this?

[marco j]

Where did you see/hear this?

this is so funny because i read this last night at cnn.com !

this has been talked about but forgotten along time ago.
he stood by that statement as well 2 days later :freak .

[pedelen99]

A lot of the so-called lies that people hound both candidates about is nothing more than the product of having every statement you make recorded and analyzed. I'm sure in the last year I may have mentioned being in Wal-Mart when I was really in K-Mart. Honestly folks, take all this with a grain of salt... especially when statements are made off the cuff.

These lies become issues when they appear deliberate or are central to policy decisions. And a great deal of the stuff being thrown around here meets neither test.

- Phil

[marco j]

A lot of the so-called lies that people hound both candidates about is nothing more than the product of having every statement you make recorded and analyzed. I'm sure in the last year I may have mentioned being in Wal-Mart when I was really in K-Mart. Honestly folks, take all this with a grain of salt... especially when statements are made off the cuff.

These lies become issues when they appear deliberate or are central to policy decisions. And a great deal of the stuff being thrown around here meets neither test.

- Phil


i'm not attacking , just asking.

do any of these count as deliberate or central?!


http://www.americanprogress.org/sit...JRJ8OVF&b=24970

[Daevian]

That cost of Iraq banner is funny.:lol

[vladw]

Kerry was telling the truth. Not that this issue should even matter at all.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/news/story?id=1909344


From the link..."Despite doubts by watchdog groups about the logistics of being at two events at the same time, Sen. John Kerry did attend both a political banquet in Boston and Game 6 of the 1986 World Series in New York on the same night 18 years ago, according to the Democratic presidential candidate's senior campaign advisor."

[OSUturfguyWES]

"But what I want to know is how many people died from this lie?"

Not that I agree that his initial assesment was a lie, but that number is pretty standard and widely publicized on the news every night and day. The question about a number that is often ignored though is how many people were saved by the decision of George Bush. Less Iraqi's were killed over the past year than were killed on average for a year's time under Saddam Hussein. This is during a time of war between three different sects of Iraqi's, killing each other. When, in time, they eventually stop fighting amongst themselves ...at least to such a devastating extent, the amount of Iraqi's killed per year will be decreased at a remarkable level compared to that of Saddam's time.

What I'm kind of curious about is what exactly was this lie you are referring to. I'd at least like to know what you are speaking of.

This all being said, Kerry has lied about more in his past year of campaigning than Bush has in his entire political career. Not to mention, even though it's Kerry's campaign line that Bush is basing his campaign on fear, it's realistically Kerry that's basing everything he says around fear ...of mostly made up or unrealistic objects or actions.

[DMBSignGuy]

Not that I agree that his initial assesment was a lie, but that number is pretty standard and widely publicized on the news every night and day. The question about a number that is often ignored though is how many people were saved by the decision of George Bush. Less Iraqi's were killed over the past year than were killed on average for a year's time under Saddam Hussein. This is during a time of war between three different sects of Iraqi's, killing each other. When, in time, they eventually stop fighting amongst themselves ...at least to such a devastating extent, the amount of Iraqi's killed per year will be decreased at a remarkable level compared to that of Saddam's time.

now if only that was the reason we went to war with Iraq. Maybe it would matter.

This all being said, Kerry has lied about more in his past year of campaigning than Bush has in his entire political career. Not to mention, even though it's Kerry's campaign line that Bush is basing his campaign on fear, it's realistically Kerry that's basing everything he says around fear ...of mostly made up or unrealistic objects or actions.

ah yes...because saying that a vote for Kerry is a vote for a terrorist attack is something that the Bush team stole from the Kerry Campaign strategy guide. :rolleyes:

[Number27]

Either way you vote, there will be terrorists out there. Passing "global test" or fighting terrorism offensively won't solve terrorism, it will always be there.

[trippingbilly12]

Either way you vote, there will be terrorists out there. Passing "global test" or fighting terrorism offensively won't solve terrorism, it will always be there.

this is very true. The terrorism issue is a tough one for both canidates. People don't realize that the war on terrorism can never be won. People will always strap bombs on themselves and walk into a building and blow it up (whether that be here in America, europe, or asia) Think how easy it is for a terrorist to do something destructive and take lives. The president, (no matter who he may be) can not do as much as people think he can do to combat these actions. People are ALWAYS going to use terrorism as force no matter who is in office.

[Dancing Ants]

this is very true. The terrorism issue is a tough one for both canidates. People don't realize that the war on terrorism can never be won. People will always strap bombs on themselves and walk into a building and blow it up (whether that be here in America, europe, or asia) Think how easy it is for a terrorist to do something destructive and take lives. The president, (no matter who he may be) can not do as much as people think he can do to combat these actions. People are ALWAYS going to use terrorism as force no matter who is in office.


exactly. but you still have a duty to combat it.

[kgoedman]

Jake, check ESPN today?

[Jake]

Jake, check ESPN today?


2 things:

1. I never check ESPN, b/c I certainly know how shitty that organization is run.


2. the above link to the espn.com story, http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/news/story?id=1909344 is not proof of Kerry's attendance at game 6. Just b/c an aide says he was there, it's not proof. Leave it to sloppy ESPN to actually run that as a news item. And to follow up their story saying he ran in the Boston Marathon but not as an official runner is the stupidest thing I've ever heard since Acid Reflux would cause you not to sing live.

[Number27]

I wonder how Kerry feels about Ron Zook.

[jrock5730]

2 things:

1. I never check ESPN, b/c I certainly know how shitty that organization is run.

Your one to speak about running anything Jake.


2. the above link to the espn.com story, http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/news/story?id=1909344 is not proof of Kerry's attendance at game 6. Just b/c an aide says he was there, it's not proof. Leave it to sloppy ESPN to actually run that as a news item. And to follow up their story saying he ran in the Boston Marathon but not as an official runner is the stupidest thing I've ever heard since Acid Reflux would cause you not to sing live.

This does not prove shit either my friend: http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/004/812xgkev.asp

Like I said before, I can't believe you wasted a thread on this garbage.

[trippingbilly12]

exactly. but you still have a duty to combat it.


this is true, as well. I should have stated that. But I think President Bush has done a good job of preventing terrorism on our home soil.

[Dancing Ants]

Jake,

You're sooo funny. When did you become such a comedian?

Glad you didn't ban me this time. do you know who banned me from starting new threads, awhile back....was it you or Matt?

OWNED! (http://img1.exs.cx/img1/6500/tasty_owned_2.jpg)

[Dancing Ants]

this is true, as well. I should have stated that. But I think President Bush has done a good job of preventing terrorism on our home soil.

i agree.

[Dancing Ants]

Your one to speak about running anything Jake.

you don't like how this place is run? leave. simple.

[mdude85]

That's it. I'm voting for Bush. First the facial wrinkles, now this! May the lord have mercy on the U.S.!

[jrock5730]

you don't like how this place is run? leave. simple.

I never stated I didn't like how this place was run.

[marco j]

this is true, as well. I should have stated that. But I think President Bush has done a good job of preventing terrorism on our home soil.


how so?

[mdude85]

how so?

because every other week it seems like we are coming dangerously close to a terrorist attack but are managing to "thwart" it at the last minute. is this actually prevention?

[TwoStep2888]

Of course. It's hard work.

[Dancing Ants]

because every other week it seems like we are coming dangerously close to a terrorist attack but are managing to "thwart" it at the last minute. is this actually prevention?


i can only remember a handful of times that the media has played up a "terrorist threat" report.

[DMBSignGuy]

i can only remember a handful of times that the media has played up a "terrorist threat" report.

someone needs to watch FOX news more ;)

[bdb23]

More lies...

According To Newspaper Reports, Kerry "Went Too Far" With Claim That "95 Percent Of Our Containers Coming Into This Country Are Not Inspected." The Truth Is That "95 Percent Of Shipping Containers Are Not Hand Searched" But "Have Been Cleared By Port Security Before They Reached U.S. Ports" And "Officials Say 100 Percent Of Containers Deemed 'High Risk,'… Are Hand Searched." (Mark Matthews and Laura Sullivan, "In Volley Of Facts And Figures, Not All Fly," The Baltimore Sun, 10/9/04)

The President's 2005 Budget Increases Port Security 628 Percent Over 2001. (www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2004/02/20040205-5.html)

The President Initiated The Container Security Initiative (CSI) To Screen High-Risk Containers At Foreign Ports, Before They Ever Get To The United States. CSI is being implemented today at the top 20 foreign ports, which account for more than 2/3 of the cargo entering the United States. (http://www.dhs.gov/dhspublic/interapp/press_release/press_release_0178.xml; http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2004/02/20040205-5.html)

[Number27]

I wonder how some of those containers are "cleared by the port security". I mean, what is the basis for their approval and what not.

[bdb23]

Since Kerry goofed on basing his recent campaign on the fraudulent NYT story, looks like he's now trying to spin Michael Moore's lies... http://www.factcheck.org/article294.html

:rolleyes:

[bdb23]

Why won't Kerry answer these questions??? http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A55919-2004Oct22?language=printer

[mdude85]

i can only remember a handful of times that the media has played up a "terrorist threat" report.

a handful of times too many.

[dmbphan041]

Howdy Partner

we get it. Go die of AIDS now.

e: buttplug?

[StJohnsRiver]

we get it. Go die of AIDS now.

e: buttplug?

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