Have any "undecided" decided yet?

[crosscg]

One week to go and I have finally made my decision. W'04. Dubya has to be my guy. As much as I agree with Kerry on a lot of social issues, I am also on agreement with "The Dub" on a good amount. I was just informed I I'm getting a nice DoD government contract job starting on the 10th and I need Bush in there to keep throwing money at it. And what are your reasons for deciding? Economic, social, or some specific issue? Just wondering how the all important undecideds are doing.

[trippingbilly12]

I'm glad you made the right choice

[slimbo]

"I vote Bush to keep him throwing money at my employer"
That`s the best reason to vote for Bush all right...

[tdowe99]

That`s the best reason to vote for Bush all right...
As sad as it is, people do vote by their checkbook.

Someone had a great post a few weeks ago as to why people would vote for Bush:

1.) Rich
2.) Ignorant and/or some blind ties due to religion.

I can see the rich thing. Hell, I'd want to keep my money too. But really, if you're making under $200K / year, I don't see why you'd want to vote for all the other things W stands for.

[Holla9]

Initially I was leaning towards Kerry, but I'm going to vote for Bush.

[jrock5730]

One week to go and I have finally made my decision. W'04. Dubya has to be my guy. As much as I agree with Kerry on a lot of social issues, I am also on agreement with "The Dub" on a good amount. I was just informed I I'm getting a nice DoD government contract job starting on the 10th and I need Bush in there to keep throwing money at it. And what are your reasons for deciding? Economic, social, or some specific issue? Just wondering how the all important undecideds are doing.

All respect has been lost for you man, thats weak has hell. I hate greedy people, you suck. This just goes to show that people don't really care about anything but money, so go ahead, vote for a guy more on your level.

[AnyonebutBush]

I knew excactly who I wasnt voting for the second Bush said that we are going to occupy Iraq and create more terrorism in the world. Thats where anyonebutbush comes from. America knew Bush had to go long before we had a canidate for the Democratic party.

[mwjorgens]

"I vote Bush to keep him throwing money at my employer"
That`s the best reason to vote for Bush all right...
i can live with that though. its when they start voting for him on the issues or thinking hes good for the country or the world that i have trouble. but if he is paying you then go right ahead my man.

[crosscg]

I'm sorry, but just like all of you whiners who say his taxes are hurting in the middle class I want some money too damnit. I'm sorry but my personal economy is the most important thing to me. Followed second by our countries education system which I am quite sure Bush will ruin. But there are many other reasons. But you partisan little babies only see the one thing you can jump on and don't bother reading the rest of my post. I'm torn down the middle on the social issues and the fact that with Bush I personally will be able to have a higher paying job effects me more. So if you are all so concerned about everything but money then go become activists and volunteers and give up your jobs and then come whining to me about how "greedy" I am.

[illbackyouup_03]

If Bush is put into power, I can't see U.S. being in a much better position in four years than they are now

[crosscg]

As sad as it is, people do vote by their checkbook.

Someone had a great post a few weeks ago as to why people would vote for Bush:

1.) Rich
2.) Ignorant and/or some blind ties due to religion.

I can see the rich thing. Hell, I'd want to keep my money too. But really, if you're making under $200K / year, I don't see why you'd want to vote for all the other things W stands for.
The military and government contractors also do quite well by having repulicans in office. As far as religious ties go, I'm an Atheist and not a big fan of the W's preaching and forcing his christian beliefs on me. I'm far from rich though. So you might want to add a few more things to that list.

1.) Rich
2.) Ignorant and/or some blind ties due to religion.
3.) Military/DoD employee
4.) Shares values
5.) Doesn't like "Affirmative Action" (aka reverse racism)

[jrock5730]

I'm sorry, but just like all of you whiners who say his taxes are hurting in the middle class I want some money too damnit. I'm sorry but my personal economy is the most important thing to me. Followed second by our countries education system which I am quite sure Bush will ruin. But there are many other reasons. But you partisan little babies only see the one thing you can jump on and don't bother reading the rest of my post. I'm torn down the middle on the social issues and the fact that with Bush I personally will be able to have a higher paying job effects me more. So if you are all so concerned about everything but money then go become activists and volunteers and give up your jobs and then come whining to me about how "greedy" I am.

First of all, I never said I wasn't concerned with money, but I certainly would never vote for someone due to my job. To vote for someone who you think will probably ruin our countries education system is the most absurd thing I have ever heard. I hope you never plan on having kids if thats the case. I guess its a good thing that everyone is not like you.

[crosscg]

First of all, I never said I wasn't concerned with money, but I certainly would never vote for someone due to my job. To vote for someone who you think will probably ruin our countries education system is the most absurd thing I have ever heard. I hope you never plan on having kids if thats the case. I guess its a good thing that everyone is not like you.
Ok over-look half of my post again. I HAVE OTHER SOCIAL ISSUES IN COMMON WITH BUSH. Did you get that? I HAVE OTHER SOCIAL ISSUES IN COMMON WITH BUSH. Don't worry i'll repeat it every other line for you so that you might. I HAVE OTHER SOCIAL ISSUES IN COMMON WITH BUSH. Yes I do plan on having kids and fortunately the girl I plan on marrying is a teacher. I HAVE OTHER SOCIAL ISSUES IN COMMON WITH BUSH.

[Dancing Ants]

As sad as it is, people do vote by their checkbook.

Someone had a great post a few weeks ago as to why people would vote for Bush:

1.) Rich
2.) Ignorant and/or some blind ties due to religion.

I can see the rich thing. Hell, I'd want to keep my money too. But really, if you're making under $200K / year, I don't see why you'd want to vote for all the other things W stands for.

yeah...my family pulls in about $70,000, and we got our tax break ($600) a few years back. Man, we must be rich as hell.

[Dancing Ants]

Ok over-look half of my post again. I HAVE OTHER SOCIAL ISSUES IN COMMON WITH BUSH. Did you get that? I HAVE OTHER SOCIAL ISSUES IN COMMON WITH BUSH. Don't worry i'll repeat it every other line for you so that you might. I HAVE OTHER SOCIAL ISSUES IN COMMON WITH BUSH. Yes I do plan on having kids and fortunately the girl I plan on marrying is a teacher. I HAVE OTHER SOCIAL ISSUES IN COMMON WITH BUSH.

you just have to ignore that guy, crosscg. it's easier that way. :)

[jrock5730]

Ok over-look half of my post again. I HAVE OTHER SOCIAL ISSUES IN COMMON WITH BUSH. Did you get that? I HAVE OTHER SOCIAL ISSUES IN COMMON WITH BUSH. Don't worry i'll repeat it every other line for you so that you might. I HAVE OTHER SOCIAL ISSUES IN COMMON WITH BUSH. Yes I do plan on having kids and fortunately the girl I plan on marrying is a teacher. I HAVE OTHER SOCIAL ISSUES IN COMMON WITH BUSH.

Thats great that you have "social issues" in common with Bush, I am happy for you. I hope you two get to have a nice little sit down one day and chat about your issues. One of the biggest problems in this country is education, and to say you will vote for someone who you think will ruin it, well thats just fucked up. LOOK AT THE REAL ISSUES!!!!

[jrock5730]

you just have to ignore that guy, crosscg. it's easier that way. :)

I've had respect for him up until this thread.

[Dancing Ants]

I've had respect for him up until this thread.

sorry. it's been the nature of most American voters since the beginning to vote on how a candidate would help them best, and what they agree with them on. if you agree with kerry, great. if he agrees with bush, i don't see why you should lose respect for him. he's simply looking out for his well-being.

[crosscg]

Thats great that you have "social issues" in common with Bush, I am happy for you. I hope you two get to have a nice little sit down one day and chat about your issues. One of the biggest problems in this country is education, and to say you will vote for someone who you think will ruin it, well thats just fucked up. LOOK AT THE REAL ISSUES!!!!
I'm sorry I didn't realize that you were in charge of picking the issues for everyone. I thought that the great thing about being an American is that we can look at all the issues, decide what is important to us, and vote for the guy who represent more of those things. My choice right now is about 51% Bush 49% Kerry. But thats not what matters to you. You and many other partisan (for either side) little whiners just blow up when someone doesn't agree with you on 100% of the issues. Sorry that I have my own mind.

[sliver108]

I can’t even believe that a thread on a forum of a DMB site is like this. DMB couldn’t be more ANTI-BUSH. Now I am going to hear “but I like the music”. Well what about the principals because I don’t really see any here from Pro-Bush people. This especially goes for the ones that attended any of the “vote for change” concerts. Those concerts contributed the revenues to 527’s to get him out of office! It is sad and a complete lack of character. So go ahead and keep cherry picking where your principals lie. And if money is your main reason for voting for Bush then you better slap a big W on your head. That W will stand for whore, not Bush.

[jrock5730]

sorry. it's been the nature of most American voters since the beginning to vote on how a candidate would help them best, and what they agree with them on. if you agree with kerry, great. if he agrees with bush, i don't see why you should lose respect for him. he's simply looking out for his well-being.

If a person is unable to look past himself when it comes to voting, I have no respect for that, sorry. If I though that Kerry was going to ruin our countries education system, there is no way in hell I would vote for that, regardless of what kind of money I stood to make.

[Dancing Ants]

I can’t even believe that a thread on a forum of a DMB site is like this. DMB couldn’t be more ANTI-BUSH. Now I am going to hear “but I like the music”. Well what about the principals because I don’t really see any here from Pro-Bush people. This especially goes for the ones that attended any of the “vote for change” concerts. Those concerts contributed the revenues to 527’s to get him out of office! It is sad and a complete lack of character. So go ahead and keep cherry picking where your principals lie. And if money is your main reason for voting for Bush then you better slap a big W on your head. That W will stand for whore, not Bush.

ok, i got one for ya:

1) I would've cut off my ball sack before going to a Vote For Change concert.

2) DMB's music annoys me to no end (I was a fan when I started).

3) Good one on the "W" thing...you're a genius.

4) I come here simply to talk in nDMBc. There are people here who are nice and I like to talk to about stuff.

[Dancing Ants]

If a person is unable to look past himself when it comes to voting, I have no respect for that, sorry. If I though that Kerry was going to ruin our countries education system, there is no way in hell I would vote for that, regardless of what kind of money I stood to make.


again, sorry. I guess you're just going to have to deal with it.

Now, the world don't move to the beat of just one drum,
What might be right for you, may not be right for some.
A man is born, he's a man of means.
Then along come two, they got nothing but their jeans.

But they got, Diff'rent Strokes.
It takes, Diff'rent Strokes.
It takes, Diff'rent Strokes to move the world.

Everybody's got a special kind of story
Everybody finds a way to shine,
It don't matter that you got not alot
So what,
They'll have theirs, and you'll have yours, and I'll have mine.
And together we'll be fine....

Because it takes, Diff'rent Strokes to move the world.
Yes it does.
It takes, Diff'rent Strokes to move the world.

[jrock5730]

I'm sorry I didn't realize that you were in charge of picking the issues for everyone. I thought that the great thing about being an American is that we can look at all the issues, decide what is important to us, and vote for the guy who represent more of those things. My choice right now is about 51% Bush 49% Kerry. But thats not what matters to you. You and many other partisan (for either side) little whiners just blow up when someone doesn't agree with you on 100% of the issues. Sorry that I have my own mind.

Well, like I said, you are a greedy asshole then. I don't care that you don't agree with me, thats not the point. I hope for your sake that your kids don't pay the price for your ignorance. I hope you plan on making millions, because your kids are going to need it if things go how you think they will.

[sliver108]

ok, i got one for ya:

1) I would've cut off my ball sack before going to a Vote For Change concert.

2) DMB's music annoys me to no end (I was a fan when I started).

3) Good one on the "W" thing...you're a genius.

4) I come here simply to talk in nDMBc. There are people here who are nice and I like to talk to about stuff.
Well then what I said doesn't have to do with you does it...genius.

[crosscg]

Well, like I said, you are a greedy asshole then. I don't care that you don't agree with me, thats not the point. I hope for your sake that your kids don't pay the price for your ignorance. I hope you plan on making millions, because your kids are going to need it if things go how you think they will.
So because my wallet is what is what finally pushed me to one side or the other that makes me greedy? Thats like saying if you were on the fence over who to choose and you choose Kerry because you are against the war your unpatriotic. Not that I think its true, I just think its ignorant of you to say that just because that was the thing that helped me make my final decision that I am greedy. You go ahead and livve in your little world where only one guy is right and he has every little thing perfect and anyone who opposes him must be 100% wrong. Ignorance is bliss they say.

[crosscg]

I can’t even believe that a thread on a forum of a DMB site is like this. DMB couldn’t be more ANTI-BUSH. Now I am going to hear “but I like the music”. Well what about the principals because I don’t really see any here from Pro-Bush people. This especially goes for the ones that attended any of the “vote for change” concerts. Those concerts contributed the revenues to 527’s to get him out of office! It is sad and a complete lack of character. So go ahead and keep cherry picking where your principals lie. And if money is your main reason for voting for Bush then you better slap a big W on your head. That W will stand for whore, not Bush.
That could be one of the worst thought out posts ever. So if you liked lets say Marilyn Manson would that mean that you must hate god and be satanic? And apparently because I have a slight tendency towards Bush even though up until a few days ago I was going to vote Kerry that I have no principles whatsoever. Yes I did attend a Vote for Change concert, Neil young was there and it rocked. But that doesn't mean I am a sheep to their every belief like you are. So go ahead and slap a big S on your forehead. That S will stand for Sheep.

[jrock5730]

So because my wallet is what is what finally pushed me to one side or the other that makes me greedy? Thats like saying if you were on the fence over who to choose and you choose Kerry because you are against the war your unpatriotic. Not that I think its true, I just think its ignorant of you to say that just because that was the thing that helped me make my final decision that I am greedy. You go ahead and livve in your little world where only one guy is right and he has every little thing perfect and anyone who opposes him must be 100% wrong. Ignorance is bliss they say.

Your last sentence sums you up completely. I mean listen to YOURSELF man, you said that YOU think Bush will RUIN OUR EDUCATION SYSTEM. Why a person would think that way, then vote that way, is beyond me. It came down to money for you, and thats greedy in my opinion. To sacrifice our children's learning for your well being is greedy in my opinion. I honestly don't care that you don't think like me.

[crosscg]

Your last sentence sums you up completely. I mean listen to YOURSELF man, you said that YOU think Bush will RUIN OUR EDUCATION SYSTEM. Why a person would think that way, then vote that way, is beyond me. It came down to money for you, and thats greedy in my opinion. To sacrifice our children's learning for your well being is greedy in my opinion. I honestly don't care that you don't think like me.
I didn't realize that education and economy were the only 2 issues that existed. But apparently it would be ok for me to vote Kerry thinking he'll ruin many other things in our country. I say again, lesser of 2 evil. No matter how close the difference is. If you believe that is greed fine. You go ahead and tell me why you are voting for Kerry and I will disect it all and make assumptions as to why its wrong for some reasons that are not at all true. You don't even bother reading the parts of my posts that you can't argue with so why don't you just stop reading them altogether.

[sliver108]

That could be one of the worst thought out posts ever. So if you liked lets say Marilyn Manson would that mean that you must hate god and be satanic? And apparently because I have a slight tendency towards Bush even though up until a few days ago I was going to vote Kerry that I have no principles whatsoever. Yes I did attend a Vote for Change concert, Neil young was there and it rocked. But that doesn't mean I am a sheep to their every belief like you are. So go ahead and slap a big S on your forehead. That S will stand for Sheep.
When you don't get it.............it can't be explained. There is a line between music and political stances.

[crosscg]

When you don't get it.............it can't be explained. There is a line between music and political stances.
Are you telling that to yourself or to me... because you are the one that needs to realize it.

[jrock5730]

I didn't realize that education and economy were the only 2 issues that existed. But apparently it would be ok for me to vote Kerry thinking he'll ruin many other things in our country. I say again, lesser of 2 evil. No matter how close the difference is. If you believe that is greed fine. You go ahead and tell me why you are voting for Kerry and I will disect it all and make assumptions as to why its wrong for some reasons that are not at all true. You don't even bother reading the parts of my posts that you can't argue with so why don't you just stop reading them altogether.

Obviously those are not the only issues, but they are the only two you spoke of with any detail. I can't argue anything else in your post because there is nothing else to argue. I am voting for Kerry because I believe he wants what is best for this country, and I am a very strong believer in stem-cell research.

[crosscg]

Obviously those are not the only issues, but they are the only two you spoke of with any detail. I can't argue anything else in your post because there is nothing else to argue. I am voting for Kerry because I believe he wants what is best for this country, and I am a very strong believer in stem-cell research.
As much as I would love to sit here and preach about how wrong that is i'm not going to. For one because I think its great, and for another I don't think someone should be attacked for making thier choices in life. I don't believe either of these candidates will do much good for the country. I do think they'll both screw a lot up. I weighed my values on each thing each of these candidates stand for and then made a choice. If you want to attack me for that well then so be it. Being an Atheist and a moderate politically I deal with attacks from close minded people all the time.

[jrock5730]

As much as I would love to sit here and preach about how wrong that is i'm not going to. For one because I think its great, and for another I don't think someone should be attacked for making thier choices in life. I don't believe either of these candidates will do much good for the country. I do think they'll both screw a lot up. I weighed my values on each thing each of these candidates stand for and then made a choice. If you want to attack me for that well then so be it. Being an Atheist and a moderate politically I deal with attacks from close minded people all the time.

I am not close minded at all, I just think that our countries education system is alot more important than my wallet. If it wasn't for our education system, you would not be getting any government jobs. For you to state that you think Bush will RUIN the education system, yet this is who you will vote for, makes absolutely no sense to me. Like I said, I hope you make millions, because your children will need it if things go like you think they will.

[crosscg]

I am not close minded at all, I just think that our countries education system is alot more important than my wallet. If it wasn't for our education system, you would not be getting any government jobs. For you to state that you think Bush will RUIN the education system, yet this is who you will vote for, makes absolutely no sense to me. Like I said, I hope you make millions, because your children will need it if things go like you think they will.
I also said I believe Kerry will ruin homeland security. I would rather my children get a poor education than be killed by a terrorist. Not that I believe either of them will ruin it to that point, but if you are going to exagerrate on side of my belief why not the other?

[jrock5730]

I also said I believe Kerry will ruin homeland security. I would rather my children get a poor education than be killed by a terrorist. Not that I believe either of them will ruin it to that point, but if you are going to exagerrate on side of my belief why not the other?

This is the first time I have heard you say that you think Kerry will ruin homeland security.

[SMN43]

I knew excactly who I wasnt voting for the second Bush said that we are going to occupy Iraq and create more terrorism in the world. Thats where anyonebutbush comes from. America knew Bush had to go long before we had a canidate for the Democratic party.
great candidate you offered up to :rolleyes:

[Holla9]

I can’t even believe that a thread on a forum of a DMB site is like this. DMB couldn’t be more ANTI-BUSH. Now I am going to hear “but I like the music”. Well what about the principals because I don’t really see any here from Pro-Bush people. This especially goes for the ones that attended any of the “vote for change” concerts. Those concerts contributed the revenues to 527’s to get him out of office! It is sad and a complete lack of character. So go ahead and keep cherry picking where your principals lie. And if money is your main reason for voting for Bush then you better slap a big W on your head. That W will stand for whore, not Bush.

You're right. Since, I'm voting for Bush, I should throw out everything DMB that I have and never listen to them again. Or maybe I should vote for Kerry because DMB is :rolleyes:

We have the right to vote. We have the right to vote for whoever we want. Roughly half of the voters think Bush is the better man for the job, and half think Kerry is. When I see people in this forum bashing people because of who they are voting for, I find it rediculous. I understand that there are a lot of people out there who dislike or even hate Bush, but calling people who vote for him idiots is just stupid. This election is going to be close, and obviously people from each side are seeing things that the other doesn't. Thats the way it is.

[crosscg]

Now that everyone has avoided answering the question and all the partisan crap jumped in here as usual can we try to limit this to the "undecided" or recently decided - if there are any on this board - getting a chance to say if they have swayed and if so to who and why... hopefully without getting persecuted for their reasons.

[saygoodbye12]

Bush won't ruin the education system. In fact, he and Kerry are almost exactly identical on the education issue. And anyone who thinks Kerry will pour MORE money into education (Remember how much Bush has increased it since taking office) WITHOUT ever raising taxes on the middle class (that was his promise!) you are only fooling yourself.

To the original message...I haven't swayed either way. In fact, since Nader isn't on the ballot here, I have no clue who I'm voting for. I agree with Bush on many issues, but disagree with him immensely on most social issues, so much so that I can't give him my vote. And Kerry would never ever get my vote. Oh well. This election sucks. :p

[sliver108]

Are you telling that to yourself or to me... because you are the one that needs to realize it.
What I mean is this. You don't support something that is against your beliefs. It is ridiculous and shallow to do so.

[saygoodbye12]

What I mean is this. You don't support something that is against your beliefs. It is ridiculous and shallow to do so.
Bullshit.

Dave is a musician. I support his music. I don't support many of his political stances. So what?

Do you agree with every single stance that every musician you listen to holds?

How about every actor or actress you see in the movies? Agree with them on everything?

[crosscg]

What I mean is this. You don't support something that is against your beliefs. It is ridiculous and shallow to do so.
So then if either of my choices for president is not 100% true to my beliefs I shoudn't vote for him? No what is rediculous and shallow is to believe one man does have 100% of your interests in mind. What is true is that you have to make choices every day of your life that may not be perfect but they are the best choice you have.

[Route_2]

Now that everyone has avoided answering the question and all the partisan crap jumped in here as usual can we try to limit this to the "undecided" or recently decided - if there are any on this board - getting a chance to say if they have swayed and if so to who and why... hopefully without getting persecuted for their reasons.Hey crosscg, what state are you voting in?

[crosscg]

Hey crosscg, what state are you voting in?
Michigan

[Route_2]

MichiganThat's a close state. You might make a difference. How does that feel?

[crosscg]

That's a close state. You might make a difference. How does that feel?
Good and bad, its nice to know your vote counts unlike in some states where on party or the other dominates. But on the other hand I could have gone either way up until recently and now i'm going against the grain and could be one of the guys who turns Michigan to the red. All the hard line Democrats (not all democrats) on this board being a-holes about why I made my choice are helping to strengthen my resolve though. Gives me one more reason... just to spite them.

[DMBSignGuy]

That's a close state. You might make a difference. How does that feel?

I think we need to get off this "your vote does or does not make a difference" track. Everyones votes matters, regardless of what state you are in. I defy anyone to not vote if they feel they're vote is not gonna make a difference. If your in a state where the majority is voting for the other party then you get to be part of the disenting minority and get to fight for change. People need to see that thier vote matters wherever they are.

[ss10mets]

Less taxes today + Increased spending today = Debt in the long run that will eventually be paid off by workers in this country.... ie increased taxes

[saygoodbye12]

I think we need to get off this "your vote does or does not make a difference" track. Everyones votes matters, regardless of what state you are in. I defy anyone to not vote if they feel they're vote is not gonna make a difference. If your in a state where the majority is voting for the other party then you get to be part of the disenting minority and get to fight for change. People need to see that thier vote matters wherever they are.
Let's look at it realistically. If the only thing you are doing for your candidate is voting for them, you're not fighting for change. Your single vote does nothing to help them if they lose.

It's funny when I read in Newsday about the high voter registration this year in NY. Big deal. The state is going democratic. It doesn't matter if Kerry wins by 10% or 40%. He still wins.

I vote because people before me died for my right to vote and I feel it's the least I can do. I happen to be in a swing state so I look forward to watching tv and knowing I was one of the 1,000 who voted 3rd party. :p

[saygoodbye12]

Less taxes today + Increased spending today = Debt in the long run that will eventually be paid off by workers in this country.... ie increased taxes
Do you believe Kerry was actually telling the truth and will NOT raise taxes on the middle class AT ALL during his presidency?

[Katedidnt]

5.) Doesn't like "Affirmative Action" (aka reverse racism)You obviously have no idea what Affirmative Action really is if you think it's "reverse discrimination."

[ss10mets]

Do you believe Kerry was actually telling the truth and will NOT raise taxes on the middle class AT ALL during his presidency?

To be honest, I don't really care about the tax issue... we as Americans are going to be taxes and as a econ major, I understand the problems associated with a deficit as big as ours (especially since it is greater then 5% of our GDP). What I don't understand is how people can be so dumb to think we are never going to raise taxes with the amount of spending we are doing. Face is people, we are at war and war costs money. This translates into an increase in taxes, if it happens after this election or the next... it is going to happen, might as well start paying for it now. The problem is Republicans are able to spin it to make people think democrats are the ones wasting our tax money when if you look over the time of history, Republicans usually leave with a deficit and democrats leave with a surplus.

My reason for voting for Kerry is the fact that I believe this administration lied to us, invaded Iraq when unecessary and in return, weakened our national defense and is corrupt (ie. Halliburton, energy policy, etc)

Why would I vote for a person when I don't think they did a good job in their first term? For the record, I voted Nader last year in my first election.

[Katedidnt]

Also, just to be on topic, I didn't commit to a candidate immediately, but I think I am voting for John Kerry.

I'm a 23 yr old, college educated, single, white, Catholic female.

[saygoodbye12]

To be honest, I don't really care about the tax issue... we as Americans are going to be taxes and as a econ major, I understand the problems associated with a deficit as big as ours (especially since it is greater then 5% of our GDP). What I don't understand is how people can be so dumb to think we are never going to raise taxes with the amount of spending we are doing. Face is people, we are at war and war costs money. This translates into an increase in taxes, if it happens after this election or the next... it is going to happen, might as well start paying for it now. The problem is Republicans are able to spin it to make people think democrats are the ones wasting our tax money when if you look over the time of history, Republicans usually leave with a deficit and democrats leave with a surplus.

My reason for voting for Kerry is the fact that I believe this administration lied to us, invaded Iraq when unecessary and in return, weakened our national defense and is corrupt (ie. Halliburton, energy policy, etc)

Why would I vote for a person when I don't think they did a good job in their first term? For the record, I voted Nader last year in my first election.
I understand. But then Kerry shoulodn't have made that promise because that clip will be played over and over again just like Bush Sr's "read my lips"

If he wins, and then raises taxes it will assure him of being a 1 term president.

As for the other stuff...Halliburton has been exposed for what it really is (i.e. nothing), I don't think he lied about the WMD but I do think his "plan" for Post-War Iraq sucks. He got my vote last time, too bad for him this year. But I'm sure he'll do just fine without me. :cool:

[ss10mets]

I understand. But then Kerry shoulodn't have made that promise because that clip will be played over and over again just like Bush Sr's "read my lips"

If he wins, and then raises taxes it will assure him of being a 1 term president.

As for the other stuff...Halliburton has been exposed for what it really is (i.e. nothing), I don't think he lied about the WMD but I do think his "plan" for Post-War Iraq sucks. He got my vote last time, too bad for him this year. But I'm sure he'll do just fine without me. :cool:

If he does raise taxes, so what?? I am 22 and gonna have to pay for this moronic war sometime.... might as well do it now and get less interest payments.

Halliburton is something too buddy, they recieved a no-bid contract and have already been found to overcharge the govt. while they can't portions of their work in other areas.

At least you understand that Bush isn't all he's cracked up to be like some people and really not as good on the issues many people believe he is. There are many reports coming out now that show how bad he has messed this war up, how much its going to cost this country, etc etc

[marco j]

If a person is unable to look past himself when it comes to voting, I have no respect for that, sorry. If I though that Kerry was going to ruin our countries education system, there is no way in hell I would vote for that, regardless of what kind of money I stood to make.

:thumbsup

look at me in my fancy car and my bank account
how i wish i could take it all down to my grave
god i'd save
and save

...and in the end it all piles up so tall to one big nothing at all

[saygoodbye12]

Halliburton is something too buddy, they recieved a no-bid contract and have already been found to overcharge the govt. while they can't portions of their work in other areas.
Hey buddy. They received a no-bid contract under Clinton that was LESS legit than when Bush gave it to them. (see: competitive LOGCAP contracting) You should write to Michael Moore and let him know he forgot to add that into his movie. :thumbsup

If he does raise taxes, so what?? I am 22 and gonna have to pay for this moronic war sometime.... might as well do it now and get less interest payments. so what? The so what is, if you are planning on raising taxes, don't lie about it. Don't stare into a camera and say you absolutely will not raise taxes during your presidency when you know damn well you might have to. With the apparent horrible job Bush is doing, he shouldn't have to lie to get elected.

[DMBSignGuy]

so what? The so what is, if you are planning on raising taxes, don't lie about it. Don't stare into a camera and say you absolutely will not raise taxes during your presidency when you know damn well you might have to. With the apparent horrible job Bush is doing, he shouldn't have to lie to get elected..


hes not lying till he does it. like bush has done with a number of campaign promises from 2000. Kerry might just as well not raise taxes on middle america, whether he has to or not. Hopefully we'll get to find out.

[DMBSignGuy]

Let's look at it realistically. If the only thing you are doing for your candidate is voting for them, you're not fighting for change. Your single vote does nothing to help them if they lose.

It's funny when I read in Newsday about the high voter registration this year in NY. Big deal. The state is going democratic. It doesn't matter if Kerry wins by 10% or 40%. He still wins.

I vote because people before me died for my right to vote and I feel it's the least I can do. I happen to be in a swing state so I look forward to watching tv and knowing I was one of the 1,000 who voted 3rd party. :p

Its wierd...you hear people say, and i say this part too, if you dont vote, dont complain. but then you hear people turn around and say well my vote doesnt count. A vote, any vote, is a vote that matters. Winner or loser. Vote for the guy that didnt win, you are the disenting voice in america. Someone did say disent is the highest form of patriotism. Where would we be without the disenting voice.


and as long as you dont vote for Nader as a third party candidate....you wont hear anything about it from me :p

[sliver108]

Everybody.........

I never meant to offend anybody on here but when it comes to principals I don’t think you can cherry pick is all. Listening to his music is one thing but Dave is very politically motivated so I just don’t see the attending of a VFC concert if you oppose those views. The money is basically supporting your opposition and I don’t see the rational in doing so at all. So I guess that this has to do with mainly VFC and not just listening to the music. This is why a lot people and companies that earn revenue do not get political at all.

Beliefs that oppose my own beliefs are fine but when your beliefs are used to reach me through a channel of how you gain revenue which is based on my entertainment etc. I strongly disagree supporting this. I am not saying that you shouldn’t drive your car because the auto maker supports Bush and you don’t but that auto maker most likely isn’t selling every car with Bush/Cheney painted on the hood of it. Look what happened to Sinclair when they tried channeling (no pun intended) their beliefs through a channel of revenue. Sinclair wouldn’t have budged an inch if it wasn’t for the people that showed conviction in their principals.

[crosscg]

Everybody.........

I never meant to offend anybody on here but when it comes to principals I don’t think you can cherry pick is all. Listening to his music is one thing but Dave is very politically motivated so I just don’t see the attending of a VFC concert if you oppose those views. The money is basically supporting your opposition and I don’t see the rational in doing so at all. So I guess that this has to do with mainly VFC and not just listening to the music. This is why a lot people and companies that earn revenue do not get political at all.

Beliefs that oppose my own beliefs are fine but when your beliefs are used to reach me through a channel of how you gain revenue which is based on my entertainment etc. I strongly disagree supporting this. I am not saying that you shouldn’t drive your car because the auto maker supports Bush and you don’t but that auto maker most likely isn’t selling every car with Bush/Cheney painted on the hood of it. Look what happened to Sinclair when they tried channeling (no pun intended) their beliefs through a channel of revenue. Sinclair wouldn’t have budged an inch if it wasn’t for the people that showed conviction in their principals.
All Dave said at the concert I was at was vote, not who to vote for or why. I respect that. My problem with your way of thinking is that there is no such thing as a moderate. You seem to think everyone is a tree hugging hippie or a pole up the ass conservative. Guess what... many Americans have views in common with both sides. Its not called cherry picking, its called being open minded. I am not just going to tow party lines like 90% of the people on this board. I'm going to do what I believe in and what I think is right.

[sliver108]

All Dave said at the concert I was at was vote, not who to vote for or why. I respect that. My problem with your way of thinking is that there is no such thing as a moderate. You seem to think everyone is a tree hugging hippie or a pole up the ass conservative. Guess what... many Americans have views in common with both sides. Its not called cherry picking, its called being open minded. I am not just going to tow party lines like 90% of the people on this board. I'm going to do what I believe in and what I think is right.
No, I think it is vital to see both sides of the coin and even cross the line if need be. So I do agree with you on that. I just don’t believe in supporting, especially financially, something that is against your beliefs. Take the car example as an example, it is quite clear. Profit generating entities take a huge risk when they post their stance for major issues on their profit source. I respect DMB for what they have done. There are other musicians that are against my beliefs that I still like but I would never give them money that would be channeled to an organization that is against my belief. If these musicians, who have opposing beliefs to mine, want to donate their money to Bush then that’s one thing. But if they held a concert for the main reason to support Bush you better believe I am not buying a ticket. I would think that this would be a universal stance but maybe that is what’s wrong, it isn’t.

[crosscg]

No, I think it is vital to see both sides of the coin and even cross the line if need be. So I do agree with you on that. I just don’t believe in supporting, especially financially, something that is against your beliefs. Take the car example as an example, it is quite clear. Profit generating entities take a huge risk when they post their stance for major issues on their profit source. I respect DMB for what they have done. There are other musicians that are against my beliefs that I still like but I would never give them money that would be channeled to an organization that is against my belief. If these musicians, who have opposing beliefs to mine, want to donate their money to Bush then that’s one thing. But if they held a concert for the main reason to support Bush you better believe I am not buying a ticket. I would think that this would be a universal stance but maybe that is what’s wrong, it isn’t.
Problem is that both sides have things against my beliefs, and also for my beliefs. I would have just as easily gone if it were a concert raising money for Bush. I can see what your saying if I was far right or far left... but I'm not. I have strong views on many topics but they are on both sides of the fence and I was not going to miss out on DMB for the first time in 6 years because of it :rolleyes:

[Evans]

The Undecideds will vote because P. Diddy has threatened to kill them if they don't.

[TwoStep2888]

The Undecideds will vote because P. Diddy has threatened to kill them if they don't.
I own a "Vote or Die" T-shirt, but I haven't worn it yet.

Almost every voter at my school is for Bush, but that's because I go to a right-wing Lutheran school in Northeast WI.