Let's talk about jobs

[System]

Ok, well paying jobs is an issue. Kerry support by some unions has me worried. I am not a huge fan of unions, they think that it is there right to get paid a premium price for a second rate product. Unions take teh cost of a product and drive it through the roof. For example, I personally know of some examples where is cheaper to build and rework the mistakes on a product in a non-union shop than it is to just build it in a union shop with no rework. Does that seem wrong to anyone else?


As for Bush loosing jobs oversees, the trend started right before, and right as he took office. So how can it be his fault? He caught the left overs of a felon (ya, Clinton is a felon, he lied to a grand jury, felony) and took the heat for it.

People want high paying manufacturing jobs, well with automation and technology advances, high paying manufacturing jobs are reducing in number, not becasue of politics but of the future.


















Oh, and doesn't kerry's psychopath of a wife have a bunch of factories overseas making all 57 products?

[sliver108]

It isn’t really the outsourcing of jobs that is the “major” problem here. It is giving these companies tax breaks that are the problem. I know a lot of Bush supporter will faint when I say this but Bush’s big picture for outsourcing makes sense. There was a plan behind it all even though it wasn’t that thought out and I don’t agree with the whole tax break thing one single bit. Outsourcing if done right would make more job based off of one principal. That principal or expectation is that the company doing so would expand and create more jobs in the US. Lets take Dell for example.

Dell sends jobs over seas and saves money thus they make more profit.
Some of that money lowers their cost of products or services and they “can” be sold for less.
Now Dell can compete more in parts of the world where they couldn’t before.
This creates more of a demand which means Dell will have to hire more people.
Most of these people “would” be hired in the US thus creating more jobs.

The problem is that there is a huge gap of time where people are unemployed. I believe that this is the part that was not thought out. It may sounds like fuzzy math it does make sense and it is very possible. However the devils are in the details. “90% is making it happen and the other 90% is spent fixing the bugs so to say.” The tech people may know that quote

[TwoStep2888]

My dad lost his job six months ago when his company sent his job as well as 250 others to Japan. Thanks George.

[barefoot]

take a look at NAFTA, thanks Bill.

[barefoot]

Oh by the way Bush haters, W just signed a bill ending tax loops for buisness doing trade with Europe, so the EU just ended the 100 billion in extra tariffs that were being imposed on U.S. buissness. Such a big company shcill he is. :rolleyes:

[Number27]

take a look at NAFTA, thanks Bill.
Detest, detest NAFTA.

[sliver108]

hmmmmmmmm

[saygoodbye12]

Detest, detest NAFTA.

:thumbsup:thumbsup:thumbsup:thumbsup

[pedelen99]

As for Bush loosing jobs oversees, the trend started right before, and right as he took office. So how can it be his fault? He caught the left overs of a felon (ya, Clinton is a felon, he lied to a grand jury, felony) and took the heat for it.

The loss in manufacturing jobs actually started in 1997. Despite that fact, Clinton was still able to add more than 11 million jobs in his second term, more than 23 million in his 8 years.

Excuses don't cut it. 200 years ago everyone in America was a farmer. Those jobs ended. But we're not all sitting around unemployed complaining that the job loss started when Adams was president. Fucking Adams... it's all his fault.

Times change. The job of an administration is to change with it. This administration has failed. They've added 1.7 million jobs this year, but they said they would add 3 million. They've done nothing to address this. Excuses are for people that can't get the job done.

11 million jobs added vs. 500,000 jobs lost. Must suck to have a felon be so much more competent than your man is.

- Phil

[bseitz]

The loss in manufacturing jobs actually started in 1997. Despite that fact, Clinton was still able to add more than 11 million jobs in his second term, more than 23 million in his 8 years.

Excuses don't cut it. 200 years ago everyone in America was a farmer. Those jobs ended. But we're not all sitting around unemployed complaining that the job loss started when Adams was president. Fucking Adams... it's all his fault.

Times change. The job of an administration is to change with it. This administration has failed. They've added 1.7 million jobs this year, but they said they would add 3 million. They've done nothing to address this. Excuses are for people that can't get the job done.

11 million jobs added vs. 500,000 jobs lost. Must suck to have a felon be so much more competent than your man is.

- Phil
How exactly would the President create jobs? The private sector creates jobs and the only thing the government can do is get out of the way.