Russia tied to Iraq's missing arms

[Holla9]

http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20041027-101153-4822r.htm

[RJ2kWJ]

Officials believe the Russians also can explain what happened to Iraq's weapons of mass destruction programs.
Hmmm

[System]

Damn Russians, we should have nuked them off the face of the planet when we had the chance.....

[bseitz]

Don't expect this thread to go very far....

[RJ2kWJ]

Don't expect this thread to go very far....
Why cuz some of the people in here can't think of what to say?

[gryspn41]

Hmmm


You mean the Russians had their dirty hands in this one??? :eek: I'm so shocked! I wonder again why the Russians didn't want to go to war with us?

Roger

[bdb23]

I'm sure Kerry will have something to say on this. :rolleyes:

[RJ2kWJ]

I'm sure Kerry will have something to say on this. :rolleyes:
:)... And whatever he says, he will try to make it so everybody can agree with him on the issue.

[ss10mets]

I love how when it's an article against Bush... stupid liberal media but when it's for Bush... great article, believe everything it says.Link (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=518&e=5&u=/ap/20041028/ap_on_re_eu/russia_iraq_weapons)

[clemson357]

Why cuz some of the people in here can't think of what to say?

No, because it has the slight potential to aleviate the president of fault. In that case, we would rather just forget it and go on thinking it is his fault.

[mihighdavehead]

I'm sure the Bush campaign will blame the Russians for stealing all the missing absentee ballots in Florida too :rolleyes: :BANG

[clemson357]

I'm sure the Bush campaign will blame the Russians for stealing all the missing absentee ballots in Florida too :rolleyes: :BANG

is the rolly-eyes man at the end of your sentence acknowledging how ridiculous your own statement is?

or are you really trying to relate missing weapons on the otherside of the world to missing pieces of paper in our own country?

[opiskelija]

politically for Kerry this isn't the best development, but shouldn't everyone be a little bit relieved if the Russians were involved in the removal of the weapons. I doubt we will be getting any level of transparency from the Russian government concerning this, but is it not better in Russian hands then in the hands of the terrorists. That is unless the Russians just left the explosives in Syria....

[mihighdavehead]

or are you really trying to relate missing weapons on the otherside of the world to missing pieces of paper in our own country?
anything is possible but neither instance is the fault of our beloved president or his administration :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[Rob]

Scapegoat much?

[clemson357]

Hmmm


that is a nice bet in your signature, however it would be better if his new name had to be "BushbeatKerry" or something like that

[clemson357]

anything is possible but neither instance is the fault of our beloved president or his administration :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

I will admit that there is a chance the administration is at fault in BOTH if you admint there is a chance it is at fault in neither

[mihighdavehead]

I will admit that there is a chance the administration is at fault in BOTH if you admint there is a chance it is at fault in neither
agreed :thumbsup

my gripe comes from the fact I was raised on accountabilty and the fact that excuses are like assholes(you know the rest). Whether it is a head coach, a parent, a teacher, a manager, a president whatever your title is; if something goes wrong while you are on duty(whether it is your fault or not) YOU should at the very least acknowledge the problem and pose a solution going forward....not pass blame and divert attention away from it. Maybe I am too old fashioned :shrugs:

[DMBSignGuy]

And yet Putin wants Bush to win. :freak

[opiskelija]

And yet Putin wants Bush to win. :freak

Of course!

Bush will silently allow Putin to rope in all of the states of the Russian Federation to form a more centralised government, and Bush will allow Putin to take whatever steps necessary to 'secure' Russia.

Putin will allow Bush to continue on his war against terrorism.

[DMBSignGuy]

Of course!

Bush will silently allow Putin to rope in all of the states of the Russian Federation to form a more centralised government, and Bush will allow Putin to take whatever steps necessary to 'secure' Russia.

Putin will allow Bush to continue on his war against terrorism.

Yup. an example of their support would be time when Putin gased his own people and Bush did nothing. Or possibly said...."we dont like that". :lol

[System]

Russia will be back to a communist state or soething similar to it within a decade. but the difference is that we will not be mortal enemies, but be united in a common fight against terrorism.

[wiggumy2]

heres another article with 4 iraqi witnesses saying the stash was looted days after invasion of the area....but, who knows what really happened...

4 Iraqis Tell of Looting at Munitions Site in '03 (http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/28/international/middleeast/28bomb.html?hp&ex=1099022400&en=b50b42da5ffd60de&ei=5094&partner=homepage)

[DMBSignGuy]

Russia will be back to a communist state or soething similar to it within a decade. but the difference is that we will not be mortal enemies, but be united in a common fight against terrorism.

Terrorism how? Cause Russia is quickly using the word terrorism to define the civil war it has between it and Chechnya (sp?). Bush maybe fighting this "war on terror" but Russia is fighting an independence movement and calling it part of the war on terror. Certain tactics are allowed for the war on terror that might not otherwise. ;)

[bseitz]

I'm sure the Bush campaign will blame the Russians for stealing all the missing absentee ballots in Florida too :rolleyes: :BANG
"The Broward County Supervisor of Elections Office pointed a finger at the U.S. Postal Service on Tuesday for nearly 60,000 missing absentee ballots, but took the blame for having a phone system that was being overwhelmed by calls from frustrated voters. " - Freerepublic.com

Which party controls Broward County? I'll take a stab and guess that it's the same party that controlled basically all of the counties where there were problems in 2000. Why can't democrats figure out how to punch a hole in a piece of paper or mail a letter?

I'm sure the Kerry campaign will blame the Republicans for stealing all the missing absentee ballots in Florida too :rolleyes: :BANG

[chevman]

Newsflash folks, alot of the weapons that Iraq had (and probably still has) were supplied by the good old US of A some years ago.

So, while Russia may be involved, so are we.....

[opiskelija]

Well, I don't think Chechnya should ever get its independence. Even during the Soviet period Chechnya was one of the most underdeveloped places. An independent Chechnya would become stagnant and would ultimately fail and become an actual terrorist infested place.

concerning Russia as a whole, the entire situation there is still so fluid. We have to realize that over the last 15 years has been the first and only real shot for Russia to experiment with some level of democracy. It just is somewhat of an unknown entity to most Russians. Do I condone what Putin is doing concerning the reforms to give Moscow more power in the Federation? Sort of. The people in charge of the individual republics are more corrupt compared to anyone in Moscow. Most Russians do see Putin's reforms as being beneficial. Time will tell how things develop over the next 40 years. It could either go 'democratic' or return to the authoriarianism presented during the Tsarist and Soviet period.

My guess? something along the lines of limited democracy concerning very very local issues and a very far reaching centralized government in Moscow

[pedelen99]

heres another article with 4 iraqi witnesses saying the stash was looted days after invasion of the area....but, who knows what really happened...

4 Iraqis Tell of Looting at Munitions Site in '03 (http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/28/international/middleeast/28bomb.html?hp&ex=1099022400&en=b50b42da5ffd60de&ei=5094&partner=homepage)

A TV crew imbedded with the 101 has pictures of explosives at al Qaqaa. These are apparently being reviewed by security experts to determine if they are, in fact, the explosives in question. I'm holding off on posting on the 'Russia did it' take until that review is done. You can see the report and the pictures here:

http://www.kstp.com/article/stories/S3723.html?cat=1

- Phil

[nubby]

Well if any of you read the frickin link, Russia Officially denied any involvement and even cited the removal of all their troops in the early 90's.

[bdb23]

Well if any of you read the frickin link, Russia Officially denied any involvement and even cited the removal of all their troops in the early 90's.
Okay. Let's all just believe the Russians based upon their track record. :rolleyes:

[crosscg]

A TV crew imbedded with the 101 has pictures of explosives at al Qaqaa. These are apparently being reviewed by security experts to determine if they are, in fact, the explosives in question. I'm holding off on posting on the 'Russia did it' take until that review is done. You can see the report and the pictures here:

http://www.kstp.com/article/stories/S3723.html?cat=1

- Phil
Good stuff, i'll be keeping an eye on that story. As many buddies as I have in Iraq right now, this could flip me back to a Kerry vote. These are things that should have been planned for... but i'll wait on the results to make judgement.

[Dancing Ants]

I love how when it's an article against Bush... stupid liberal media but when it's for Bush... great article, believe everything it says.Link (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=518&e=5&u=/ap/20041028/ap_on_re_eu/russia_iraq_weapons)


Russia denied it??!?!??!?!? i am shocked. WTF you think they're going to say? "Oh yeah...after we sold them the tanks, we sold them the chem weaps"....c'mon.

[nubby]

I think your responses are pretty pathetic. You guys want to believe what you want to believe. It's fairly aparent by the lack of skepticism you guys have about Russia being accused out of nowhere. If they aren't trustworthy, why did we believe their intelligence reports about Iraq in the first place?

[jrock5730]

A TV crew imbedded with the 101 has pictures of explosives at al Qaqaa. These are apparently being reviewed by security experts to determine if they are, in fact, the explosives in question. I'm holding off on posting on the 'Russia did it' take until that review is done. You can see the report and the pictures here:

http://www.kstp.com/article/stories/S3723.html?cat=1

- Phil


I THINK THIS ANSWERS A FEW QUESTIONS!

[brydro]

Okay. Let's all just believe the Russians based upon their track record. :rolleyes:

if your dumb enought to believe Bush based upon his track record then why not?

[bdb23]

if your dumb enought to believe Bush based upon his track record then why not?
Just like Kerry, flinging the personal attacks without the facts. :twak

[nubby]

Just like Kerry, flinging the personal attacks without the facts. :twak
Just like every Bush supporter I know, changing the subject when things don't go your way.

[jrock5730]

Just like Kerry, flinging the personal attacks without the facts. :twak

Store this in Bush's file: http://www.kstp.com/article/stories/S3723.html?cat=1

[opiskelija]

Okay. Let's all just believe the Russians based upon their track record. :rolleyes:

I'm just curious, what exactly is Russia's track record?

[bdb23]

Just like every Bush supporter I know, changing the subject when things don't go your way.
No change of subject here. The facts aren't in on this explosives issue and there was a personal attack on me. As a young professional and business owner, I can see the positives of Bush's track record. As an smart ass, I can see why you can't.

[bdb23]

Store this in Bush's file: http://www.kstp.com/article/stories/S3723.html?cat=1
I guess you can't read the prior posts.

[brydro]

Just like Kerry, flinging the personal attacks without the facts. :twak

Ok, so how many times do we have to repeat the lies that YOUR great President has made? Do we have to keep repeating the same info? Your brainwashed. :freak

[brydro]

No change of subject here. The facts aren't in on this explosives issue and there was a personal attack on me. As a young professional and business owner, I can see the positives of Bush's track record. As an smart ass, I can see why you can't.

You must have fell in the tax bracket were you actually got a check from the gov't.

[nubby]

No change of subject here. The facts aren't in on this explosives issue and there was a personal attack on me. As a young professional and business owner, I can see the positives of Bush's track record. As an smart ass, I can see why you can't.
What specifically about his track record do you like?

[brydro]

What specifically about his track record do you like?

The one where he helps the rich and his friends....

[jrock5730]

You must have fell in the tax bracket were you actually got a check from the gov't.

This statement sums up how ignorant you are.

[bdb23]

The one where he helps the rich and his friends....
Funny, but I don't consider myself rich. I've got double student loans (my wife and I) that amount to a mortgage on a small home. I have a mortgage on my own home along with some nice credit bills. So, neither of your scenarios apply. But nice attempt at stereotyping.

[jrock5730]

Funny, but I don't consider myself rich. I've got double student loans (my wife and I) that amount to a mortgage on a small home. I have a mortgage on my own home along with some nice credit bills. So, neither of your scenarios apply. But nice attempt at stereotyping.

Funny, he wasn't talking about you moron.

[brydro]

This statement sums up how ignorant you are.

I thought the one that summed up my ignorance was the fact I don't like the President. That is usually enough for a Bush backer.

[jrock5730]

I thought the one that summed up my ignorance was the fact I don't like the President. That is usually enough for a Bush backer.

I am not a Bush backer, but your statement was far off. Who are you to judge people based on wether or not they got a check back from the government.

[brydro]

I am not a Bush backer, but your statement was far off. Who are you to judge people based on wether or not they got a check back from the government.

Well I find that MOST Bush backers are "big money people". Most republicans are, and he does take care of the big money, before the average man. Thus I made an assumption, which I shouldn't have.

[crosscg]

Well I find that MOST Bush backers are "big money people". Most republicans are, and he does take care of the big money, before the average man. Thus I made an assumption, which I shouldn't have.
I like this game.

Bush supporters are a bunch of rich religious zealots!

Kerry supports are a bunch of pot smokin tree huggin hippies!

Independents can't find legal pot to smoke or near enough trees to hug!

Moderates are a bunch of undecided a-holes that can't be close minded enough to realize which side is right!

[brydro]

I like this game.

Bush supporters are a bunch of rich religious zealots!

Kerry supports are a bunch of pot smokin tree huggin hippies!

Independents can't find legal pot to smoke or near enough trees to hug!

Moderates are a bunch of undecided a-holes that can't be close minded enough to realize which side is right!

SO WHICH ONE WOULD U FALL UNDER?

[crosscg]

SO WHICH ONE WOULD U FALL UNDER?
Moderate

[nubby]

I am not a Bush backer, but your statement was far off. Who are you to judge people based on wether or not they got a check back from the government.
Who are you to take a tax refund when our troops are facing pay cuts?

[jrock5730]

Who are you to take a tax refund when our troops are facing pay cuts?

I can't make them not give me the money, not that I would. Where did you hear our troops are facing pay cuts?

[bseitz]

Well I find that MOST Bush backers are "big money people". Most republicans are, and he does take care of the big money, before the average man. Thus I made an assumption, which I shouldn't have.
Wow. Half of all American voters are "big money people"? What an idiot.

[bseitz]

I can't make them not give me the money, not that I would. Where did you hear our troops are facing pay cuts?
All you good libs that think we're under taxed could write generous checks to the Treasury to pay your "fair share".

[brydro]

Wow. Half of all American voters are "big money people"? What an idiot.

Hey Jerkoff, since when does the word MOST equate to half of all americans?

[crosscg]

Hey Jerkoff, since when does the word MOST equate to half of all americans?Yeah jerkoff, most means more than half. Hey wait, thats retarded dude... you should have just let it go.

[brydro]

Yeah jerkoff, most means more than half. Hey wait, thats retarded dude... you should have just let it go.

I was using the word MOST for JUST the republican party, not the whole nation. Most could be 26 % of the republican party...which equals about 25. something percent of the country.

[bseitz]

I was using the word MOST for JUST the republican party, not the whole nation. Most could be 26 % of the republican party...which equals about 25. something percent of the country.
Oh. That makes much more sense. :rolleyes: Like I said...

[bseitz]

Hey Jerkoff, since when does the word MOST equate to half of all americans?
Nearly ALL Republicans are Bush-backers genius, which would equate to nearly half of the voting population. Who's the jerkoff?

[pedelen99]

Next bit of info:

In the video from KSTP-TV taken on April 18th at al Qaqaa there are rows of barrels of explosives, and on one barrel the label 'Explosiv 1.1D' is clearly visible. 1.1D is the explosive category that includes RDX (one of the two major types of explosives that constitute the 380 tons that are missing).

- Phil

[jrock5730]

Next bit of info:

In the video from KSTP-TV taken on April 18th at al Qaqaa there are rows of barrels of explosives, and on one barrel the label 'Explosiv 1.1D' is clearly visible. 1.1D is the explosive category that includes RDX (one of the two major types of explosives that constitute the 380 tons that are missing).

- Phil

Looks like we got a bunch of jerkoffs in here now. Just so happens we also have a bunch of jerkoffs in the administration.

[ss10mets]

Russia denied it??!?!??!?!? i am shocked. WTF you think they're going to say? "Oh yeah...after we sold them the tanks, we sold them the chem weaps"....c'mon.

First of all, they aren't chemical weapons you moron, rather high grade explosives... there were no WMD in Iraq.

Second, how could the Russians have been in Iraq without us knowing it?? We must have the worst intelligence in the world if thats true...

[nubby]

First of all, they aren't chemical weapons you moron, rather high grade explosives... there were no WMD in Iraq.

Second, how could the Russians have been in Iraq without us knowing it?? We must have the worst intelligence in the world if thats true...
I thought that assertion was pretty obvious. I don't see the point of conflict here. We have a report that shows pictures and video of the munitions crates from Al Qaqaa from after the war. This isn't rocket science people, someone fucked up by not guarding that ammo depot.

[opiskelija]

http://www.interfax.ru/r/B/themeday3/33.html?id_issue=10715499

According to this interfax release, Armitage said that he did not come across any information about Russia moving explosives in Iraq.

I will listen to Armitage prior to little John A. Shaw

I will search the English version and see if there is a translated version of this...

english... http://www.interfax.ru/e/B/0/28.html?id_issue=10715486

[jrock5730]

I thought that assertion was pretty obvious. I don't see the point of conflict here. We have a report that shows pictures and video of the munitions crates from Al Qaqaa from after the war. This isn't rocket science people, someone fucked up by not guarding that ammo depot.

For real people, how much more proof do you need?

http://www.kstp.com/article/stories/S3723.html?cat=1



This is a good read as well...

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=514&e=3&u=/ap/20041028/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/halliburton_contracts

This is a sad read...

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=540&e=6&u=/ap/20041028/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_death_toll_5

[pedelen99]

For real people, how much more proof do you need?

http://www.kstp.com/article/stories/S3723.html?cat=1



The KSTP video that aired did not show any signs of IAEA seals. There are now reports that KSTP does in fact have video of IAEA seals. If that is true it places the missing explosives under lock and key at al Qaqaa on April 18th.

- Phil

[pedelen99]

And it hits:

http://kstp.com/article/stories/S3741.html?cat=64

Video of what appears to be an unbroken IAEA seal at al Qaqaa on April 18.

- Phil

[jrock5730]

And it hits:

http://kstp.com/article/stories/S3741.html?cat=64

Video of what appears to be an unbroken IAEA seal at al Qaqaa on April 18.

- Phil

Imagine that.

[pedelen99]

Imagine that.

Game, set, and match - Kerry.

- Phil

[nubby]

Bush supporters ,where are you now?

[jrock5730]

Bush supporters ,where are you now?

And a hush falls over the crowd.

[pedelen99]

And a hush falls over the crowd.

So it's now documented that all the responses from the administration (including the unusually far-fetched Russian one) were just flat out wrong, and 380 tons of very powerful explosives were left unguarded and subsequently looted.

W, you got some explainin' to do...

- Phil

[pedelen99]

So it's now documented that all the responses from the administration (including the unusually far-fetched Russian one) were just flat out wrong, and 380 tons of very powerful explosives were left unguarded and subsequently looted.

W, you got some explainin' to do...

- Phil

Former weapons inspectors are confirming that the barrels in the KSTP video contain the explosives that the IAEA has reported as missing.

http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/story?id=206847

- Phil

[bseitz]

Sorry to break up your little liberal circle-jerk.

Try this one:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,136897,00.html


The Defense Department is analyzing satellite photos of an Iraqi military facility taken before the U.S.-led war in 2003 to determine what happened to tons of explosives.
The photos show 'large truck activity' at the Al-Qaqaa installation south of Baghdad, according to military officials, who hope to have the images declassified so they can be released.
Doesn't this make a little more sense than believing that this stuff was trucked out amid the convoys of troops and supplies following the invasion?


The January 2003 IAEA action report noted that the explosives were stored in nine different bunkers at Al-Qaqaa. Each of the bunkers was locked and marked with IAEA tags and seals on them.
But the report also included a warning. 'Of note was that the sealing on the bunkers was only partially effective because each bunker had ventilation shafts on the sides of the buildings. These shafts were not sealed, and could provide removal routes for the HMX while leaving the front door locked,' it said.
So much for "under lock and key"


You can continue to hope against hope that our troops allowed this stuff to be stolen, but a little common sense says it's highly unlikely. I'm not sure why Kerry would insist on belittling the troops that detest him already. And if, for the sake of argument this is true; how would an operational issue like this have anything to to with the President anyway? I guess the Bush-haters' psychosis has made them grasp at anything. You guys are going to be suicidal next week.

[nubby]

Sorry to break up your little liberal circle-jerk.

Try this one:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,136897,00.html



Doesn't this make a little more sense than believing that this stuff was trucked out amid the convoys of troops and supplies following the invasion?



So much for "under lock and key"


You can continue to hope against hope that our troops allowed this stuff to be stolen, but a little common sense says it's highly unlikely. I'm not sure why Kerry would insist on belittling the troops that detest him already. And if, for the sake of argument this is true; how would an operational issue like this have anything to to with the President anyway? I guess the Bush-haters' psychosis has made them grasp at anything. You guys are going to be suicidal next week.
THERE IS FUCKING VIDEO OF THE GOD DAMN DEPOT! WAKE THE FUCK UP!

[pedelen99]

The January 2003 IAEA action report noted that the explosives were stored in nine different bunkers at Al-Qaqaa. Each of the bunkers was locked and marked with IAEA tags and seals on them.
But the report also included a warning. 'Of note was that the sealing on the bunkers was only partially effective because each bunker had ventilation shafts on the sides of the buildings. These shafts were not sealed, and could provide removal routes for the HMX while leaving the front door locked,' it said.

This is correct, there are apparently ventilation shafts on the bunkers. One might think that the explosives might be removed through those ventilation shafts... unless, of course, you had video showing the explosives were still there on April 18th.

The IAEA seal being unbroken isn't what tells us that the explosives were not taken. It's what tells us that these were the right explosives.

The video of the explosives is what tells us that they were there. Not abducted by the Grinch through the ventilation shaft.

- Phil

[DMBSignGuy]

The January 2003 IAEA action report noted that the explosives were stored in nine different bunkers at Al-Qaqaa. Each of the bunkers was locked and marked with IAEA tags and seals on them.

that could be cause for concern if not for the videos pointed out by pedelen99 and nubby.

The IAEA seal being unbroken isn't what tells us that the explosives were not taken. It's what tells us that these were the right explosives. The video of the explosives is what tells us that they were there

exactly.



http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,136897,00.html
how bout quoting the drudge report next. :lol

Sorry to break up your little liberal circle-jerk.

next time knock please...so i can atleast put a robe on or something.

[bseitz]

This is correct, there are apparently ventilation shafts on the bunkers. One might think that the explosives might be removed through those ventilation shafts... unless, of course, you had video showing the explosives were still there on April 18th.

The IAEA seal being unbroken isn't what tells us that the explosives were not taken. It's what tells us that these were the right explosives.

The video of the explosives is what tells us that they were there. Not abducted by the Grinch through the ventilation shaft.

- Phil
You mean the video of barrels? I din't see any explosives in the pictures. Help me out here.

[DMBSignGuy]

You mean the video of barrels? I din't see any explosives in the pictures. Help me out here.

Nothing reported by the original crew there suggests that the barrels were empty upon arrival. Otherwise we might be hearing a much different story from them.

[pedelen99]

You mean the video of barrels? I din't see any explosives in the pictures. Help me out here.

I smell desperation...

Here's my response to the theory that you're working on: Occam's razor.

And have a nice day.

- Phil

[bseitz]

I smell desperation...

Here's my response to the theory that you're working on: Occam's razor.

And have a nice day.

- Phil
Maybe you could apply that principle to how the material was removed from the site. We have phantom pickup trucks, and what? Villagers sticking it in their pockets? Still not a reasonable explanation of how that many heavy trucks avoided detection. An insignificant point I guess (especially when there isn't a reasonable response).

[pedelen99]

Maybe you could apply that principle to how the material was removed from the site. We have phantom pickup trucks, and what? Villagers sticking it in their pockets? Still not a reasonable explanation of how that many heavy trucks avoided detection. An insignificant point I guess (especially when there isn't a reasonable response).

See my post in the other thread. No one was watching. No one secured the site.

- Phil

[bseitz]

See my post in the other thread. No one was watching. No one secured the site.

- Phil
And as I said over there, plenty of people were watching to protect the supply lines. It's amazing that all of these trucks moved about at will to distribute these explosives but were never detected. Oh, right. No one was watching. Those convoys just race down the highway and hope for the best.

[pedelen99]

And as I said over there, plenty of people were watching to protect the supply lines. It's amazing that all of these trucks moved about at will to distribute these explosives but were never detected. Oh, right. No one was watching. Those convoys just race down the highway and hope for the best.

David Kay says they could go overland with no problem. And since he was actually there as Bush's WMD guy, I tend to believe him. But if you can point out one person who said that they were watching, I'd be happy to listen to that as well.

- Phil

[RJ2kWJ]

there were no WMD in Iraq.
"Weapons of Mass Destruction are being smuggled across the Iraqi border every day." - John Kerry, First Debate

[pedelen99]

"Weapons of Mass Destruction are being smuggled across the Iraqi border every day." - John Kerry, First Debate

a) Kerry clearly meant weapons and not WMDs when he said that, and b) we're talking about explosives here, not WMDs.

- Phil

[MattJ]

I can't make them not give me the money, not that I would. Where did you hear our troops are facing pay cuts?

Here's a couple articles on it.

http://www.armytimes.com/story.php?f=1-292259-1989240.php

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2003/08/14/MN94780.DTL

[jrock5730]

Here's a couple articles on it.

http://www.armytimes.com/story.php?f=1-292259-1989240.php

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2003/08/14/MN94780.DTL

I feel sorry for our soldiers.

[DMBSignGuy]

See my post in the other thread. No one was watching. No one secured the site.

- Phil

This is the best part of it all. Ive been listening to conservative radio. People like Hannity and Tony Snow saying that theres no proof, or its too early to tell, or we need more facts, or diminishing its importance.

Then i turn to Air America and they are interviewing the actual people who were there and they were talking about what they had personally seen. One of the people interviewed talked about how we went to Wolfowitz and told him and Wolfowitz got mad at him.

I think hannity needs to interview these people too. Maybe thats why he doesnt have proof, or its too early from him to tell, or why he needs more facts. :rolleyes: