Why Kerry will win

[mwjorgens]

hes in madison today at the capitol. i dont know when he speaks but i drove to the gas station which is about 4 blocks from the capitol and as far the eye could see there were people. the place was just mobed. its gotta mean something to have so many people out for a cause. ive never seen people rally like that for bush, but maybe thats becuase he has invitation only events for 500 people.

[mray10]

hes in madison today at the capitol. i dont know when he speaks but i drove to the gas station which is about 4 blocks from the capitol and as far the eye could see there were people. the place was just mobed. its gotta mean something to have so many people out for a cause. ive never seen people rally like that for bush, but maybe thats becuase he has invitation only events for 500 people.

And yet the polls still show him behind in Wisconsin ...

[RJ2kWJ]

Why Kerry will win
You should apologize for this statement IF Bush wins.

[mwjorgens]

And yet the polls still show him behind in Wisconsin ...
and we all know what polls are good for..........they are useless as are the websites that tally electoral votes cuase if you conduct the right poll you can get any result you want:thumbsup

[ss10mets]

And yet the polls still show him behind in Wisconsin ...

I didn't feel like signing up with the Washington Post but the electoral-vote.com site has some interesting stuff to read at the bottom. Here is a blurb from the bottom article.

"Today's Washington Post has an excellent story dealing with the issue of whether the polls are accurate. The basic problem is that the vast majority of people refuse to participate, so the sample is no longer random. Surveying mostly elderly, lonely, or bored people can bias the results. The Post reports that one caller apparently was so fed up with telemarketeers and pollsters that he attached a device to the telephone that made such a loud noise it damaged the pollster's eardrum. Even response rates for exit polls on election day have dropped to 50%. This information goes a long way to explaining why the polls are so erratic this year. But in all fairness, the final 2000 polls weren't so hot either. Eleven of the 15 national polls just before the election predicted Bush would win the popular vote by a margin of 2% to 6%. Ultimately, Gore won it by 0.5%."

[crosscg]

EDIT: Wrong spot.. sorry

[mwjorgens]

You should apologize for this statement IF Bush wins.
i wont apolgize but i will say that i was wrong and bush won

[sliver108]

... but maybe thats becuase he has invitation only events for 500 people.
Really?

[mray10]

I didn't feel like signing up with the Washington Post but the electoral-vote.com site has some interesting stuff to read at the bottom. Here is a blurb from the bottom article.

"Today's Washington Post has an excellent story dealing with the issue of whether the polls are accurate. The basic problem is that the vast majority of people refuse to participate, so the sample is no longer random. Surveying mostly elderly, lonely, or bored people can bias the results. The Post reports that one caller apparently was so fed up with telemarketeers and pollsters that he attached a device to the telephone that made such a loud noise it damaged the pollster's eardrum. Even response rates for exit polls on election day have dropped to 50%. This information goes a long way to explaining why the polls are so erratic this year. But in all fairness, the final 2000 polls weren't so hot either. Eleven of the 15 national polls just before the election predicted Bush would win the popular vote by a margin of 2% to 6%. Ultimately, Gore won it by 0.5%."

I would never want to argue that polling is extremely accurate, but I'm willing to bet it's a more accurate predictor than looking at a big crowd in Madison.

[pedelen99]

Really?

Yes. You need a ticket to get in which are generally only available from the local GOP people. In some instances people have been asked to sign a pledge to support Bush before they were allowed in. And there are a few instances where people who got in and were wearing Kerry shirts/buttons were asked to leave.

- Phil

[chellek23]

They were giving away tickets from local campaign headquarters in 2000 as well. I assumed that this was a common practice on both sides at the Presidential level... The idea is that you want to have some level of control over who is attending. One, that the ppl going are actually supporters of the candidate and 2.) for aiding security/safety. It is mostly a media event afterall it would not be in the interests of either candidate to have protestors get attention at your event and throw off you message. The protestors were always outside of an indoor venue as all the supporters walked in.

[WJM-WJM]

he has invitation only events for 500 people.

That information is inaccurate.

[WJM-WJM]

he has invitation only events for 500 people.


"All progress on every other issue depends on the safety of our citizens," Bush told about 10,000 people gathered in a field at Alamogordo High School. "The terrorists who killed thousands of people are still dangerous and determined to attack us again." --- The Albuquerque Journal 10/24/04

[Holla9]

I would never want to argue that polling is extremely accurate, but I'm willing to bet it's a more accurate predictor than looking at a big crowd in Madison.


Ignore the polls, mwjorgens's prediction is more accurate :thumbsup

[jrock5730]

Ignore the polls, mwjorgens's prediction is more accurate :thumbsup

In this election, there are no accurate polls, and it can't be proven either way.

[SatelliteEyes]

Yes. You need a ticket to get in which are generally only available from the local GOP people. In some instances people have been asked to sign a pledge to support Bush before they were allowed in. And there are a few instances where people who got in and were wearing Kerry shirts/buttons were asked to leave.

- Phil


That information IS accurate. Here is a link to a story about 3 school teachers in Oregon, also, here is the story. This is just on example. If I had more time I would post more. You cannot show anything but support for Bush to be allowed near one of his speeches. Even if you are a Dem who wants to simply hear what Bush has to say. If you try to come, you will be arrested.
http://monsterp.blogs.com/monster_blog/2004/10/civil_liberties.html

MEDFORD – President Bush taught 3 Oregon schoolteachers a new lesson in irony – or tragedy – Thursday night when his campaign removed them from a Bush speech and threatened them with arrest simply for wearing t-shirts that said “Protect Our Civil Liberties.”

The women were ticketed to the event, admitted into the event, and were then approached by event officials before the president’s speech. They were asked to leave and to turn over their tickets – two of the three tickets were seized, but the third was saved when one of the teachers put it underneath an article of clothing.

The U.S. Constitution was not available on site for comment, but expressed in a written statement support for “the freedom of speech” and “of the press” among other civil liberties.

The Associated Press and local CBS-affiliate KTVL captured Bush’s principled stand against civil liberties in news accounts published immediately after the event. The AP reported:

Three Medford school teachers were threatened with arrest and escorted from the event after they showed up wearing T-shirts with the slogan "Protect our civil liberties." All three said they applied for and received valid tickets from Republican headquarters in Medford.

The women said they did not intend to protest. "I wanted to see if I would be able to make a statement that I feel is important, but not offensive, in a rally for my president," said Janet Voorhies, 48, a teacher in training.

“We chose this phrase specifically because we didn't think it would be offensive or degrading or obscene," said Tania Tong, 34, a special education teacher.

Thursday’s event in Oregon sets a new bar for a Bush/Cheney campaign that has taken extraordinary measures to screen the opinions of those who attend Bush and Cheney speeches. For months, the Bush/Cheney campaign has limited event access to those willing to volunteer in Bush/Cheney campaign offices. In recent weeks, the Bush/Cheney campaign has gone so far as to have those who voice dissenting viewpoints at their events arrested and charged as criminals.

Thursday’s actions in Oregon set a new standard even for Bush/Cheney – removing and threatening with arrest citizens who in no way disrupt an event and wear clothing that expresses non-disruptive party-neutral viewpoints such as “Protect Our Civil Liberties.”

When Vice President Dick Cheney visited Eugene, Oregon on September 17, a 54-Year old woman named Perry Patterson was charged with criminal trespass for blurting the word "No" when Cheney said that George W. Bush has made the world safer. (See article below.)

One day before, Sue Niederer, 55, the mother of a slain American soldier in Iraq was cuffed and arrested for criminal trespass when she interrupted a Laura Bush speech in New Jersey. Both women had tickets to the event.

[AnyonebutBush]

My Friend in Florida thought she was at a Kerry rally today, but it wasnt, it was a place where hundreds of people were voting early...hmmmmmmm I wonder for who?:ugh:

[RJ2kWJ]

i wont apolgize but i will say that i was wrong and bush won
Im waiting.

[Ben F.]

Im waiting.
:lol

[bseitz]

i wont apolgize but i will say that i was wrong and bush won
YOU LIED!!!!!!!

[bdb23]

Im waiting.
:thumbsup :lol

[haildmb]

just goes to show: a large crowd in Wisconsin can't really tell the tale of a national election.

Who knew?!

[gregory311]

The U.S. Constitution was not available on site for comment, but expressed in a written statement support for “the freedom of speech” and “of the press” among other civil liberties.


I didn't realize the U.S. Constitution showed up to anything to be available for 'comment.' Or that it wrote statements. Interesting.

The rest of that article is rather sad, though. Except for the last paragraph about the Laura Bush speech. There is nothing in that piece that says what actually happened one way or another so no one can really glean much of what may or may not have happened. Poor journalism.

J.

[System]

just goes to show: a large crowd in Wisconsin can't really tell the tale of a national election.

Who knew?!

damn, and the redskins lost and that meant kerry was supposed to win, and the moon aligned with some star and every year since 1776 that is what happened when soem guy got voted out of office...


wait, all of that is bullshit, i am just glad people voted..and if yo udidn't...shut the hell up...i am sick of it

[bseitz]

damn, and the redskins lost and that meant kerry was supposed to win, and the moon aligned with some star and every year since 1776 that is what happened when soem guy got voted out of office...


wait, all of that is bullshit, i am just glad people voted..and if yo udidn't...shut the hell up...i am sick of it
:thumbsup

[jrock5730]

My only hope is that in four years we as a country(I voted Kerry) are not regretting this decision. I truly hope we move forward and not backwards.

[gregory311]

damn, and the redskins lost and that meant kerry was supposed to win, and the moon aligned with some star and every year since 1776 that is what happened when soem guy got voted out of office...


wait, all of that is bullshit, i am just glad people voted..and if yo udidn't...shut the hell up...i am sick of it

You mean to tell me you doubt the awesome power of the Nicolodeon poll?

J.

[clemson357]

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[clemson357]

sorry, seriously

I was just trying to get Jesters posts off the front page

[trippingbilly12]

My only hope is that in four years we as a country(I voted Kerry) are not regretting this decision. I truly hope we move forward and not backwards.

i respect this :thumbsup

[Holla9]

My only hope is that in four years we as a country(I voted Kerry) are not regretting this decision. I truly hope we move forward and not backwards.

Glad to see you at least have some hope for a positive outcome of this re-election :)

[mwjorgens]

I was wrong, Bush won the election.